Club Shay Shay - Tony Yayo Part 1

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See, yo, why you turn down all that money?

God said, My belly's full.

Well, that was the realest shit I ever heard from somebody.

Turned out 50 million.

Crazy.

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Hello, welcome to another episode of Club Shay Shay.

I am your host, Shannon Sharp.

I'm also the proprietor of Club Shay Shay.

Stopping by for conversation on a drink today, the real talk of New York.

He's a street legend, a key figure in the world of hip-hop, a certified platinum-selling rapper, chalk-topping artist, a natural entertainer, a member of the Passport Boards Inc.

He defines the word loyalty from the iconic group GGGG G G You.

Creator, You Can't See Me Dance.

Wave your hand.

Here he is, ladies and gentlemen.

Tony Ye-O.

What's up, man?

Ye-O, what he do?

Yo, he made that sound so f ⁇ ing good, man.

It's about time I get some love, man.

Get some props.

You deserve some love, bro.

It's been a long journey in this industry, man.

Bro, we brought out the best for you.

Thank you.

This is my cognac.

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Let me know what you think.

I know you're going to keep it a buck with me.

That tastes good, man.

I can't front.

50 got some Koniac too, Branson.

Y'all got some good shit.

Maybe I need to collab with something because this shit is some good shit right there.

I appreciate that.

And I know, see, I know you know something about Brown, too.

Yeah, I know about the Brown liquor.

50 got the Branson.

I've always been a fan of Hennessy.

And like, right now, I was just telling my friend, I don't know if the liquor's watering down, but it don't taste like that.

Like, I don't know if these liquor brands is getting cheaper or something, but everybody was complaining about the Don Julio in the streets.

He was complaining like something just wasn't right.

And when I was overseas, liquor was tasting different.

It was tasting better.

So I don't know if it was a U.S.

thing.

Well, I mean, obviously, and it's native.

I mean, seemingly things taste better over there

than it does over here.

Definitely.

You think there's something to that?

You think there's something to it?

You think the market, the U.S.

market?

I think overseas, like when you go to like a subway or something, they got like a low-fat

mayo only.

You know, and the sodas are real small.

You know what I'm saying?

Everything is like more kind of more healthy.

They don't have no Captain Crunch, frosted flakes.

Anything with like

added, processed, preserved.

Yeah, they don't have it over there.

So that's the healthy thing.

And then, you know, there's no gun violence over there like that.

Right.

Certain places have guns, you know, like sweetened and stuff like that, but that's like in probably the bad neighborhood.

But they clean that up, like how Trump trying to clean up America right now.

You know what I'm saying?

He got running down the street in D.C.

I was talking to my man from D.C.

He was like,

he was scared to drive his own car in D.C.

My man, country, right?

That's Dave Chappelle, you know, guy.

So, and he was saying that he went with his moms.

He had to go through checkpoints and all that.

Damn.

Yeah, I ain't trying to back up.

Yeah, because the streets is crazy right now, especially, you know, where we from, New York City.

Man, thanks for pulling up the club shea, Shay.

How you doing?

How you been, man?

I'm good, man.

Just came back from overseas.

Where we went?

To Estonia?

Where we went?

Strike, Estonia, Paris,

Poland.

Damn.

We came out with Chris Brown in Manchester, which was.

That's like the new Michael Jackson.

I've been seeing snippets of it on social media.

Shout out to Chris Brown.

He's the new Michael Jackson.

Yeah, that one he did, that performance he did in the rain.

Oh, man.

I was talking to like Curtis Battle because he did production for Eminem and 50 and a whole other people, a whole bunch of stars.

And

he was just talking about one LED screen was like $40 million.

And I was wild by that.

Like, people got to understand the money he's spending on production.

The production.

You know about that.

You know what I'm saying?

I absolutely do.

Millions of dollars.

So a lot of the money that he's making, he's spending on the world.

Going on the world to give the world a good performance.

To make sure everybody knows this is a bet, that's the top of the world.

Yeah.

Sold out MetLife Stadium.

What was that?

I think 80,000 two nights in a row.

Never been done by no artists.

And it was raining.

I was like, damn, this guy is the new foot.

So for me, to be on stage with him, 50, you know, Uncle Myrtle was there.

You know what I mean?

To To come out on stage with Chris Brown was crazy.

I'm like, yo, I'm a part of the show.

Yeah.

Like, that was big.

We came to Manchester.

He sold that out like three days in a row.

Wow.

So, yeah, he is the new Michael Jackson, man.

I got to give it to him, man.

I can believe it.

You're from Southside, Jamaica, Queen.

Yes.

Shout to Southside Queen.

So is there a Northside Jamaica Queen?

There's a Northside Queen.

Okay.

So why are we only here about Southside?

Because that's where we from.

Ain't nobody talking about the Northside?

Nah, Northside is lit.

Northside is,

we consider Jammaster J?

Right?

Yeah, Hollis.

It's Run DMC.

So Northside, LL, they was, you know, big in the rap game before.

Yeah, yeah.

Southside was even put on.

Right.

You know what I mean?

Those are the guys we look up to.

Obviously, 50, he was signed to Jammaster J.

Rest in peace to him.

You know, his mural's right on Jamaica Avenue.

Right.

But, you know, like, we looked at, I looked at, run DMC to me was my best rap group of all time.

Yeah, they kind of got kicked off.

Look at Brooklyn.

Brooklyn got Biggie, J.

Hove, Kane, Kim.

Queens got LL, 50, Nas, Nikki.

The Bronx, we know about the Boogie Down Bronx.

It's one BDP.

Shout to Fat Joe, man.

Yeah, yeah, man.

Can't forget about you.

Can't forget about crap.

So,

is Queens the best borough?

Because I was in Queensbridge with Steve Style, and I was with Judge Nasbro, Jungle, and got an opportunity to see down there.

So I didn't get a chance to go over there.

What was that line Don said a while ago?

Queens, Run Y'all niggas, ask Russell Simmons.

Was that?

That was the line, right?

It goes back from in time when you look at Ren DMC, when it's Christmas time, men hollers, Queens.

I remember having a boom box.

I had Haitian parents.

I had to plug it up.

They never let us get batteries because they feel like you're going to get robbed or something.

So my man Bobby across the street, he was spoiled.

He had the boom box equalizer, always that spoiled kid.

He had batteries, but we had it plugged up to my mom's porch.

We couldn't leave the porch with the radio.

And we played that tape till the tape popped.

Damn.

And you got to think about it.

They were the first rappers to be on MTV.

Yep.

Right?

What they had a song with Bon Jovi.

What was that?

Walk this way.

Well, no, that was Aerosmith.

That was Aerosmith.

You know, I don't know too much about the Rock and Brooks.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, walked this way.

I don't know.

But I look at like Queens, we the pioneers.

You know what I mean?

Even when you look at Marley Maul, Marley Maul,

he put out Big Daddy Kane.

So, you know, me and my friend, we always have this Brooklyn Queens argument.

But Queens, come on.

Marley Maul put out Kane.

And Kane is, like, when you look at people always say, yo, what's your top five rappers?

Whatever are we talking about?

Right.

Because if we're going to go to 80s, what you going to go?

Rock him.

Rep.

We got Kane.

KRS-1.

Right.

Slick Rick.

Damn, you went all lyricists.

You went all lyricists.

I'm talking about the wordplay exemplary.

I think if you go into 80s, you got to put L in that.

Of course, LL had hits from the 80s, the 90s, the 2000s, the 10s, the 20s.

To the 2000s.

He did.

You know, you know, it's just,

what was it?

Was he signed to Def Jam when Jay took over?

I think that's what kind of makes shit a little funny for him.

Right.

And I love L.

L.

That's like, hands down, one of my favorite rappers of all time.

Do you feel L get the credit he deserves?

Nah, hell no.

I agree with you.

Come on, Cars Ride by with the booming system, the Brooklyn Queens doing.

Going back to Cali,

going back to Cali.

I'm going to knock you out.

I need love.

From the 80s to the 90s to the 20.

Hell no, they don't give LL as much credit as he deserves.

Why?

I don't know.

Because I think that rap game is.

But he wasn't rapping about drugs.

Rap game is more about image.

Okay.

And he doesn't fit the image of what a rapper should be or look like.

Because he was in shape.

He had the fat goat chain.

He had the cane gold.

I just feel like executive-wise.

Okay, okay.

When he signed a Def Jam and he was under J,

was DMX on the label at that time, too?

Them niggas wasn't feeling that.

Because at that time, no disrespect to Jay, he sold

a million, 10 records, I think a million apiece.

But DMX went diamond.

Right.

LL,

hell no, he don't get enough props.

From the 80s to the 90s to the early 2000s, even when he had Hey Lover.

Yeah.

He was in shape.

He had the image.

So he's one of them.

We got to do top 10 and top 20 instead of top five.

That's kind of hard.

Yeah, it is, especially when you talk about, you talk about 50 years of rap.

Let's just say, for the sake of argument, you're going to just take 50 years of rap.

And

you're going to whittle it all the way down and say, okay, give me your top five?

That's what I'm saying.

That's hard to do.

I like Kumo D.

I like Steph Tostonik.

Salt and Pepper was the first.

Nikki and Kemp, you know, those were the first girls that Spinderella.

I was still mad at them when they got the other Spinderella.

The original Spinderella.

Because back then, the DJ was as important as the rapper.

Like Public Eminent had Terminator X, right?

Jimmaster J.

Yeah.

And then you had Jazzy Jeff,

as well as other DJs.

You know, just can't name them.

But I love hip-hop.

That's what I feel like.

It changed our lives.

Like, we went from being in my man Fat Shot basement when the police chased us off the block to being around the world and people know Tony Yeo.

I might not have the fame 50 got.

I don't even want that fame.

I like my fame a little better because I feel like when you.

You can go places and they'll have to.

You can play it right on the end.

I'm outside.

I'm outside right now.

You can play it right on in.

I'm here.

Yeah, people know me, but they're not running me down like I'm an Eminem or Jay-Z or Beyonce or Chris Brown.

They got to be in their room on their phone.

Nah, I don't want to do that.

Just give me the money they got.

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You're from, your parents are immigrants.

Yeah, they're Haitian.

Right.

Before I get into that, let me ask you a question.

How the hell do you get Tony Yeo for Marvin?

That's a funny question.

You know, from watching Scarface, that was one of my favorite movies.

Right.

I could have been Tony Montana, but you got French Montana.

Right.

But I went with the Tony Yeo because I was just a hustler.

Right.

And then, you know, when we first got on, 50 be like, yo, what would you call yourself?

Like, what would be your name?

Like, describe yourself.

Who are you?

And I'm like, well, I hustled my whole life, so I guess Tony Yeo.

And that if.

Yeah, because I love the the block.

That's one thing about me.

I used to really love the block.

People go party, I'll stay on the block.

Easter time, we was on the block.

Because it just felt like it was a gang, but it wasn't a gang.

Right.

You know what I mean?

Now the stuff that's going on now is crazy.

Right.

So

being the son of immigrants, what was your American experience like?

So how, like...

Did they bring like all the entire culture of Haiti or were you able to like, did they give you some of the American experience that you were growing up?

Um, well, my parents, my mom's come from a, I think it's called Mumbai, Mumbai Ya, something like that.

I forgot.

She's from that town.

My dad is from Port-au-Prince.

They came to Canada first, which my uncle was from, her brother.

And then from Canada, they came to, you know, every Haitian in Jamaican, they go to Brooklyn.

I don't know why they go to Brooklyn first.

I'm really supposed to be at Brownsville nigga.

Okay, okay.

But they go to Brooklyn first.

Then from Brooklyn, we move to Queens.

You know, so you know, where we from, you know, you get a better life.

People come from these places, like you said, you come from a small town.

You come from a small town.

So, you know, my mom's been a nurse her whole life, retired.

So they come here and they work.

That's all they know is work, work, work.

That's what I learned from my moms and pops.

Right.

Work, work, work.

But now it's cool to be a Haitian or African.

But as a kid, you African, you Haitian, go back to your nation.

Used to keep Haitian being on a low.

But now it's like everybody everybody wants to be a Zoe.

Is it, can you be lazy as an immigrant?

Nah.

Nah.

I've never met a lazy Mexican, Jamaican, Trinidadian.

I never met that.

Because, you know, they all come from struggle.

We all correlate to that.

Like, I've been to everywhere in the world and can't go to Haiti.

Ask me why.

Why?

They might kidnap me out there.

Gangs control the city.

Oh, yeah.

You got this dude barbecue, and you know.

Yeah.

He's one of them dudes that, you know, they talk about, but they, well, what I like about it is when you watch what they're talking about, they talk about Haiti been robbed since the beginning of time.

We are the first people to free the slaves against the Napoleon Army.

People don't know that.

I got fire in my blood.

Like, we freed the slaves before anybody.

We beat the Napoleon Army, right?

And then we had to negotiate a deal because they didn't like that.

There was some kind of deal where we had to pay them $150 million back.

I think it was just paid like

10 years ago.

And then years after that, Americans came there and they raided the Federal Reserve.

They took all Haiti's gold.

So when you go to Haiti, it's nice beaches, nice water, nice everything.

But

they deserve a lot of money back to them.

But that's not the image.

That's not how Haiti is portrayed, though.

Because as you mentioned, you know, it's controlled by the gangs.

You couldn't go back there.

You feel like you'd be kidnapped and held for ransom.

There's a lot of violence going on in Haiti.

So the portrayal that we as Americans that we get from Haiti

is not very pleasing.

Yeah, but people can't eat.

There's nothing to do.

You can't get clothes.

Like my mom sends clothes to Haiti when she came.

We send clothes.

I give her clothes and stuff and you send it there.

But

it's like they forced in a position where the government is not helping them.

They had an earthquake.

She just fucked up.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know, so you can't just, we can't just blame it on the violence.

I feel like when you see violence in anywhere, like Brooklyn, you just had 14 people shot, little kids,

shooting people, switches.

Where do switches come from?

Where do the switches come from?

How is a kid, 15-year-old, can get a switch, make a gun, a handgun into an Uzi?

How is that even possible?

Yeah.

You know, back in the day.

A couple of years ago, you weren't even thinking about it.

Back in the days, you heard a guy shot 10 times.

Yo, he's still alive.

They didn't have the bullets and the ammunition like that.

Now they got switches.

And innocent people, out of the 14 people, old ladies got hit.

It's crazy.

Because New York now, New York is ridiculous.

It's just like LA.

There's gangs everywhere.

You got bloods, you got crips, you got G.

I don't even go out.

If I got to go somewhere where I got to bring a gun, I don't even go.

Yeah.

Yeah, if you got to take it, if you got to take that too.

I'm chilling to Hampton somewhere with my lawyer.

Shout out to my lawyer.

Yeah.

So

give me a typical day.

What was a typical day like for you growing up?

Your parents are immigrants.

What they're talking to you about.

They're trying to make sure you get your school, make sure you do the right thing, stay out of trouble.

So what was a typical day in your household like?

I feel like

if your parents are like Haitian or Jamaican, it's love, but it's always tough love.

So it's not, I love you, I love you.

I felt like I always looked for that for my whole life because my parents never did it.

And I love my moms.

It was always tough love.

My moms would go to work, Christmas, Thanksgiving, food on the table.

That's how Haitian is.

You go to school, school, get good grades.

If not, get on your knees.

You're going to get beat.

Like, those are the kind of beatings we had.

So when I go to people's house and I don't open your fridge, it's because we got so many beatings back in the day.

You came over the fridge.

Yeah, it wasn't like that.

It's all about respect, moral, you know, and pray to God every day.

Because my parents, they worked hard.

They put me in Catholic school from first to eighth grade.

Damn.

Don't tell nobody, though.

Yes, dude.

Don't stop that.

But damn,

you like that Eminem character was battling.

So look, Banks and 50 of of them went to the criminal school.

At the point, 72 is good now.

Shout out to 72.

But at that point, 72 was a bad school.

My parents didn't want me to go there.

Haitian parents, they'll send you, they'll spend their last for their kids to go to Catholic school.

Right.

I went to Catholic school, church, I turned to my criminal life like eighth, ninth grade.

From first to seventh grade,

we used to take the yellow bus.

Okay.

So everything was like more preserved.

You get dropped off on the cornea cornea block.

Eighth grade,

I had to take the public school bus with a uniform on that.

They clowned you.

So now I got the uniform.

I got to go from Laurelton from Rosedale to Southside Jamaica Queens.

I got to take the Q85s, right?

You know what I mean?

And

I had to stop at Springfield High School.

Back then, Springfield High School, you heard about a girl getting acid thrown in her face.

Like Springfield High School in Jackson was like the schools like, oh shit.

You don't want to go there.

Yeah, you don't want to go there.

It was crazy back then.

You know, the gangs were just different.

They, you know, you had Toy Soldiers, Shadow Inc., Lewis Boys, dudes with hammers, because I had to go to Jamaica Avenue when I went to high school, but that's later on.

So I got on a public school bus now, and now I'm seeing the realities of my life.

I'm seeing niggas on the bus fighting.

I'm seeing people getting cut for bus passes.

And I'm like, oh, shit.

I wasn't exposed to that.

My parents, I'm on a bus like, this shit is crazy.

Right.

You know, and I'm sitting on the back of the bus.

If you ain't really, if you ain't really gangsta like that, you're supposed to be sitting on the back of the back.

You got to get out clean.

So, yeah, I'm an innocent kid.

I'm on the back of the bus witnessing fights, people getting cut.

I'm like, oh shit, this shit is real.

So

I got a starters jacket.

Back in the days, when we had the starters, Eight Bulls, my parents bought me a starters jacket.

Never forgot this.

Came on the bus from Springfield.

Yeah.

And

the dudes was on the bus.

So I had to ride to, I think, American, what crowd?

American Baisley?

I think American Baisley.

And that's when they pull a gun out on me.

I'm a little kid.

I'm in the eighth grade.

Hold on.

Did you actually think you could get on the bus with a starter jacket and get off with it?

I thought I was good.

Yo,

I was preserved.

I had Haitian parents.

They don't play.

You got to be in this when that light go on, nigga, you come in the house.

Don't leave the porch.

I couldn't do what my parents wasn't letting me just run the streets like everybody else was.

Do you understand how

what a starter jacket was back then?

Shay Shay not listening, bro.

I went from being on a yellow bus

to not seeing crime to getting on a public bus, and now I'm seeing the realities of the world.

So you saw the reality, so what made you possess you to wear that jacket?

Because I didn't think I was going to get robbed.

I was in La La.

Okay.

Okay.

As soon as I got to my stop, it was snowing that day.

I never forgot.

I think that changed my life.

It made me look at you.

He made you come up out of the snow.

You were short-sleeved on it.

Snow.

Cried all the way home, home, geez.

38.

I never forgot that.

Right on America Basin.

Like put a snug nose on you.

Snub nose.

I'm a little kid.

14 years.

It was like walking from the bus stop.

Damn, yeah.

Had to walk all the way to Rochdale.

No coat.

Then you should have said, man, come on, bro.

I'm just a kid.

Come on, bro.

He had a 38.

I'm like, you ain't do no talking?

You just supposed to talk about fucking.

You're supposed to say, man, come on, man.

My mom worked hard for this.

Because back in the days, remember, 8-ball and the starter, a lot of people not here.

Yes, that's what I'm saying.

That's what's going going through my mind.

I'm thinking about it.

The eight-ball jacket, the starter jacket.

And you, like you said, okay, I was on a yellow bus, everything was cool.

But once I started getting on the city bus, man, I'm seeing all this going on.

And I'm thinking, man, what possessed you to do that?

My mom's in, I wanted the jacket, geez.

No, I ain't say not get the jacket, but you know, certain situations where you can't.

Yeah, I should have thought it out, but I wasn't thinking it out.

I just had to start.

I wouldn't think nobody's going to run you.

You want the flaws at school?

Yeah, I want the flaws in school.

I did.

And I had that starter, and they got me for it.

Damn.

Because back then, come on, A-Balls and starters, man.

Man, everybody wanted that bad.

Them companies should pay some of them fair.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So people got to live jackets.

Because, yo, we make the culture, bro.

A lot of stuff that we was wearing, Averrexes, even Averrexes, I remember dudes was getting shot for those.

Members only.

Members only, Peles, Solo.

Yeah.

So it's like, man.

And then when I went to high school, I went to high school on Jamaica Avenue, right where Jim Master J Studio was at.

They changing that into condos now, but it was the Coliseum.

So that was the block where everybody meet at, and that's when I just, just nothing but crime up there.

You're the youngest of three.

Yeah.

So you close, your family, y'all close?

Yeah, yeah, I would say.

You would say?

I would say me and my brother more.

Me and my sister, we all.

Right.

Was she mad at you because you dime that?

Because I read that your mom wouldn't let your sister go outside because she kissed the boy.

Did she see the?

Did they see it or you dime her out?

No, no.

No, my next door neighbor, Rest of Miss People, she was one of them neighbors that could slap you in the back of the head.

Yeah.

She was always in the window for mischief.

Yeah.

So rest in peace to her.

So she seen it.

Oh.

And she told my parents.

Yeah.

And yeah, that's how Haitian people are.

That's community of parenting.

Yeah, they'll have you in the house for 20 years after that.

I'll never see my sister again.

What?

So

your parents, so in other words, you're telling the story, your parents were really strict.

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I used to go on bike missions, and they used to go to the good neighborhoods to steal bikes from the rich kids and all that.

My brother went to do that.

He got caught.

He got caught by the firemen, though.

They brung his ass back to the crib.

My brother got his ass worn out in front of the firemen.

Like, Haitian parents don't play.

Jamaican parents don't play.

Trent, anything from that island, they don't play.

I read your dad, he didn't want you to hang out on the boulevard.

Oh, never, never, because he knew what was up there.

One, three, four, and got brewer.

It was, you know, that's the arena.

You know, everybody up there sold drugs.

That's what everybody did.

So it was nothing good up there.

You know, you had gambling spots up there.

You had the alley fiends up there, Winos.

He went up there to play lotto.

So when I started hustling, I still had to worry about him because he would chase me off the block come on man pop would do that chase get out of here

get out of here haitian crazy voice get out of here like pop you blow you blowing i just had to run

what i'm gonna do

it was it wasn't it wasn't what it was

it wasn't the way i'm chasing you pops getting you a buff dukes was chasing me off the block man

Haitian parents, because he knew what was going on.

But you know what happens?

Normally, when parents don't want a child to do something, it pushes that child in that direction if a parent says i don't want you to see that young lady or i don't want you to see that guy what does it do it's almost like romeo and juliet it brings them closer it makes them want to do it even more i think did that make you want to i think the ass whippings is what always saves somebody life right when my parents divorced yeah and my pops went to florida that gave me leeway for the bullshit now my mom's got to work every day right she can't keep an hour she's she's working at general hospital she's a haitian lady working 24 hours a day i'm hardly seeing her.

Now, this gives me leeway to go back up in her house.

Because if she find that shit, she done do drugs in the garbage.

She find a gun.

She's throwing that shit in the garbage.

She don't care.

You know what I'm saying?

So my pops left.

There was no more.

It was more leeway.

The father figure, he was gone.

Now I don't got nobody to chase me on the block.

So now my mom's at work and I'm on the block all day.

Right.

You know?

Is there anything, do you think there's anything your father could have said?

Do you think there's anything your mother could have said that'll make you not want to hang out on the block?

because you saw what was happening i'm sure you saw some of your boys get scooped up i'm sure you saw some of your boys get laid down but that still wasn't enough to deter you no because i feel like people turn into the environment so like you got little kids in the bronx that 12 year old 13 year old killers they're turning into what the environment is they're forced to right

meanwhile my kids don't got to go through that right you know got them in a nice neighborhood and that's what it is i think it's the environment because people turn into what the environment is now if all them dudes was doctors on the block maybe i would have been a doctor but they was all drug dealers.

And at the end of the day, they was putting packs in little niggas' hands.

Niggas was 16, 15.

When you really think about it,

like, here, take this, but they, you know, there's no rules to the game.

It's my responsibility.

I took the pack, yo.

Right.

Because you start off as a worker, then you work your way up having your own shit.

Now you're caught up in the game.

Right.

Because you're not going to be able to get it.

30 off a pack, 25 off a pack.

You couldn't just get your own work around my way.

It was structured.

Right.

And then I had to work my way up and get my own work.

Now I'm an official drug dealer.

Now I don't have no job.

No W-2 forms.

Nothing.

Sometimes it's just best to get a job now.

Right.

Police.

But he done paid his taxes because we don't want them to come back and say, oh, you have no W-2?

No $10.99.

But he done paid.

This is back in the day.

But I just feel like the kids, it's the environment.

Like, right, when you look at New York City,

it's a lot of gangs, man.

It's just like LA.

You can't discredit New York and say, oh, yo, the gangs start.

Them little kids don't want to hear that.

They straight up stone cold killers.

How important was school to you?

It had to be very important because they put you in a Catholic school

for the first grade to seventh grade.

So obviously it was very important.

It seems to me that your parents knew the way in order for them to live their dream through you was education.

Yes, sir, definitely.

But it was important to me until, you know, I told you, I started getting into the streets.

Right.

And then it was like.

If your parents don't divorce,

your father's there.

Now you got that system of checks and balance because you're saying your mom is working.

She's working 14, 16 hours a day.

She can't keep her eye on Tony like

she want to or should.

Pops is in Florida.

He ain't got no eyes.

He ain't got that kind of connect.

Nah.

And so now you just got free reign.

If your dad stays in the picture, Are we having a different conversation?

Definitely.

100%.

Because I wouldn't have leeway to be outside like that, bagging up and then three and a half grams turned into 100 grams and now I want to get half a bird now.

Now I want to do this.

Now I can bag up because my mom's not there.

Right.

You know what I mean?

She's not there.

I can go kitchen table and bag up a whole bunch of work.

She's working all day.

Were you ever scared that while you bagging up, she might come home?

Nah, I knew her schedule.

I knew her schedule.

Yeah, I knew her schedule.

All that being said, you dropped out of school in the 10th grade?

Yeah.

15.

Yes.

Why?

Drugs,

Negative shit around.

School and selling drugs, they don't go damn.

They're not synonymous.

Yeah, they're not synonymous.

I think any kind of crime in school is not synonymous, man.

It just doesn't go together.

You know, it's a terrible thing.

I don't try to glorify it because I made it this far and I got an opportunity to see the world.

Like, I'm not.

as rich as a lot of the rappers, but I got a billion dollars worth of experiences.

And I feel like that's what life is about.

And sometimes in this game, you feel like it's the devil's playground.

You know, a lot of bullshit goes on behind the scenes.

Because

they always want to be in control of the that got the money.

They always want to kiss ass.

So, you know, like, I love 50.

It's never 50.

Sometimes it's niggas around him.

And 50 is a good dude.

This dude's, like you said, that'll never get a job.

One of my friends, he caught a murder.

He's forgiven for it because God forgive everybody.

But he got a job.

You know, a lot of dudes, you know, did jail time.

Now you got a job.

Because where you going to get a job at without 50s.

So I love 50s.

50s, you know, I love Banks.

Banks, my dude.

Banks, you know, we brothers.

So I remember us being in basements rapping when it was just the core G Unit.

50 Cent, Lloyd Banks, Tony Ao.

You know, game, dope rapper, but he was from L.A.

Buck, dope rapper, but he was from Cashville.

And when you look at Buck's situation, that happened when I went to jail.

Right.

You say your mom threw, your mom threw away 100 grams?

Yep.

100?

And the garbage.

I told her it wasn't mine, so she helped me find it.

Then I went and got it.

How you gonna lie to mom?

You couldn't let that pass.

You couldn't let that weigh.

You go, no, 100 grams back then?

Hell no.

Find that.

That can't go in the garbage.

That's money.

Right.

Yeah, that's how we looked at it.

That's why I'm glad I'm out of that life, man.

I I had to left that behind and the luck of music.

Is there anything your mom, if your dad is gone?

Yes.

He's in Florida.

If your mom sits you down and say,

she's not calling you Tony, she's calling you Mark.

Marvin, you're breaking your mom's heart.

You're going to end up in jail or you're going to end up dead.

Is there anything your mom could have said to get you away from that lifestyle or had you gotten so ingrained in it, that's what you knew and there was no turning back

the worst part is when calling after you get locked up you yell

you know when you get locked up my mom's to come get me a Pennsylvania for selling drugs like me and my man GJ rest in peace his mom's Ethel Branch they came to PA we got caught with a little bit of shit because you know we was done for the day right but we was from out of town right so they came and got us so there's nothing like a motherly love man yeah it's just the worst part is calling you know because that's that's what a lot of these kids don't understand.

Your mom's, you're breaking our heart.

Your dad, yo, I'll come see you in jail.

Right.

I'll send you some commissary.

It's more of a tough guy thing with us.

But the moms, you break her heart.

And that's that's that's real up.

That feeling, making that call, mom, I'm locked up.

Or mom, I gotta put the house.

I done jumped bail and had bail bondsman giving her a heart attack.

I was up.

Yeah.

Even with this rap shit, like my mom's crab got shot 22 times

207.

Beeping with henchmen back in the days.

Right?

So, for me, that shit is like real shit.

Like, they could have been not here.

They could have been unalive.

Luckily, the level of the house, there's levels.

People's upstairs.

If it was one floor, somebody would have been unalived in there.

Damn.

And that's like with this rap game shit.

Did your mom ever say,

I told you.

So your head hard.

You won't listen, but one day you will, son.

Did your mom ever tell you I told you so?

Or she was just like, she was always there for you?

My mom's to say, I'm a vaca bon.

She started cursing Creole.

That'd be close.

Vaca bon, I think, means idiot, right, Strike?

Idiot?

My Creole ain't that good, but Vaka Bon means like idiot.

All kinds of shit.

She just started cursing the Haitian.

You know, but she'll always come get me.

That's one thing about that lady.

God bless her.

You know, and she's still around.

My pops, you know, he passed away, I think, 2018.

Right.

My mom's still around.

Love my mom's, bro.

And you know what's crazy?

She still lives in the house that got shot up because that's how Haitian people is.

I don't care.

I'm going to be in my house till I die.

Wow.

You don't want to go nowhere else.

Yeah.

That rap beef can get real serious.

You know, it can get real serious.

That's why I say when you have Joe on here and Khalid, then you talk about the Calla situation.

I could never be mad at Calla.

Calla was just being loyal to Joe.

Right.

I was being loyal to 50.

You know?

Wow.

So, but shit can get real.

The only thing you see with Joe and us, we could be friends.

Joe, I need that deal with volume up, too.

The thing with Joe is, like, it it never got crazy with it never got physical.

Right.

And nobody ever got shot and killed.

Rest in peace to my man Lodie Mac.

He got killed in a situation.

My mom's crib got shot up.

Right.

You know, my mom's crib silencer.

She gets real.

Bullet through stoves.

And like, people got to understand being signed with like a Kanye West or a Jay-Z is chill mode.

Everybody's cool.

We signed with 50 Cent.

The nigga that got problems with everybody.

And we took him out street niggas, World, Jimmy Henchman, Preen.

This goes a history.

Did he have beef with them or they had beef with him?

Because it's two different things.

I mean, because it seemed like when 50 made it, 50 was like done with that life.

But they keep trying to bring 50 back.

It's just always been drama.

Can you ever leave that?

Like, I'm going to tell you, like, I believe hip-hop police was like damn near created because of us.

Like, hip-hop police used to pull me over and used to be like, yo, you number one on the list.

Yeah, yo.

At that point.

Wow.

Because we had so much drama that it was like, Gene, it was, yo, why are they never out?

Gene is banned from the club.

Niggas have bulletproof trucks.

Like, my bulletproof truck, I remember I had some people from Hot 97, the radio station.

Right.

And they was like, yo, you know, you got bullet holes in my truck.

And that shit was normal life to me.

Because when I came home, I came from a dream.

I'm at 50s.

House, his grandmother's house, Mr.

Peace to his grandma and his grandfather.

And

it's a little house not a much not much room it was all a dream we listening to someone get richer die trying

on a stereo

and then i come home i go to jail i'm hearing him on the radio every day we blowing up off the mixtapes and he blew up it's all a dream still to me i'm here with shannon sharp i'm on the shake shake

like it's a dream to me so i'm more appreciative than a lot of other people right

Did you ever worry about like getting robbed?

Because like, you know, this is a cash, this is a cash business, bro.

So, you know, and when you give up, you take the money, you put it in, people know you got money on your business.

Listen, when you got a n ⁇ like 50 telling you, my first Jacob watch, I got a Jacob on now, too.

Yeah, this is five times on.

Listen, so Jacob, Jacob watch, he gave me my first Jacob watch, and 50 said, yo, never, don't forget, niggas blow your head off of this shit.

See, 50 was a, he was ahead of his time.

That's what people didn't understand.

Right.

He was ahead of his time, meaning he was, because I'm only two eight.

He only two years older than me.

Right.

Right?

But he was ahead of his time.

Even when he was outside at 12, that had him more advanced than a lot of niggas.

He was ahead of his time.

He always was a marketing genius.

He always was smart.

When he gave me the watch, he said, oh, don't forget, a nigga blow your head off for that.

That shit stuck in my head.

Like, oh, shit, yeah.

Well, you should have learned your lesson with that damn starter jacket.

Yeah, I did.

That was it.

That's true.

The starter jacket back in the day is like, so you know what they'll do for a Jacob.

No, but for the Jacob, he had to remind me because a lot of rappers, you know, their jewelry, you know, some, you know, they feel like they'll die for their chain.

Look at Rest in Peace, PNB Rock.

Look,

you know, they got him.

You at the Waffle House in South Central.

Yeah.

Look at Pop Smoke.

You know, you in Beverly Hills, but Hoover Street down the block.

Yeah.

It's a sad thing, but for me, I don't care about jewelry.

Hell no.

I don't give a f ⁇ .

Isn't sure.

Yeah.

Give me a nice car.

I'll jump out of that with nothing on.

I don't care about about it because I feel like at a certain point when you're an artist, your face is a jewel.

Yeah.

So niggas like Nipsey Hussle, face was a jewel.

Pop smoke, face was a jewel.

PMB Rock, your face is you.

You don't even got to wear jewelry.

Niggas know who you are.

And if you don't wear it, niggas ain't going to do shit to you.

Right.

They don't care.

But now robbers know, oh, yo, that's a Richard Milley.

Oh, shit.

That's a

tech.

That's an AP.

Yeah, that's worth $100.

MP Dorn.

Oh, shit.

Yo.

Yo, that's an autumn.

Yo, yo, he got...

And you got to think, you got niggas in the hood that

where they live is cheaper than what that watch you got on.

Oh, for sure.

And it's like this everywhere: Philly, Chicago, New York.

Because I just, for me, I'm to the point in life where I just don't hang out in certain places.

I'd rather hang out with my lawyer or something or go to dinner or go somewhere I don't need to bring a pistol.

But 50 was telling us that.

years ago.

Like, yo, you don't need to go here.

Yo, you don't need to go there.

And we used to have hip-hop police on us.

They used to jump us out the car, government name, grab us by our waist.

Hip-hop police was on us because we was the most dangerous rap group in the world.

Don't let these, these, the industry fool you, because they always knock G-Unit because of what we done.

We got down with Eminem,

my favorite white boy.

We be mad at him.

We got down with Dr.

Dre, a West Coast nigga.

We left New York.

Yeah.

That was the best deal ever.

You know,

and we took over the industry.

We sold video games, we sold clothes, we sold sneakers, and we definitely sold records.

Yes.

You know, and a lot of people try to take shit away because we was the most hated.

We was the niggas that was like, f y'all events, your parties, f your white parties,

this.

50 always been like that, so it made us like that.

We always had to move militant.

Bulletproof trucks, vestes.

Come on.

There was a time where, man, it was guns everywhere, man.

I ain't gonna lie to you.

Isn't that a very tough way to live?

It's very tough.

To this day, I watch my back because it's just being an artist is a tough thing.

But, damn,

you don't have peace?

Hmm?

You don't have peace?

You say you have to watch your back.

I think being a rapper, you never have your peace, man.

Damn.

I just think that's just the life of a rapper.

You're never going to have your peace.

It's going to be obstacles.

It's going to be women.

It's going to be drugs.

It's going to be

gambling addiction, car addiction, jewelry addiction, keeping up with the the Joneses.

See, for me, I don't care about all that shit.

Because it's all about image.

That shit all fake.

I pray to God every day.

He makes sure I'm good.

The realest shit Dave Chappelle ever told me, so yo, why you turning down all that money?

God said my belly full.

Well, that was the realest shit I ever heard from somebody.

So for me, being in rooms with Mike Tyson, Dave Chappelle, listen.

I'm like a sponge.

I remember Tyson telling me, it's a party.

My first time meeting Mike Tyson.

Everybody's in there.

Serena, Venus.

I'm like this.

I'm from the hood.

Like, yo, I can't believe I'm in a party with these people.

You know?

And

Mike Tyson said, expand your horizons, yeah, y'all.

Some caviar came.

And I never forgot that.

That's what made me caviar Escargo, caviar pancakes in Paris.

Them experiences for me is good.

I'm good.

I'm straight.

Yeah, I feel good.

We just was in Italy partying with the owner of one of the owners of Ray-Ban and the owner of Dose Gabbana.

Wow.

You know, I done been in parties with Wesley Snipes.

I'm like, this from New Jack City.

Yeah.

You know,

shit.

I'm thinking of New Jack City when I see this nigga.

We somewhere, Aspen, we somewhere film festival.

Kardashians in there.

We performing with Jim Curry.

I'm like, yo, this is

Jim Curry.

Oh, shit.

I'm meeting Samuel Jackson.

Oh, shit.

I'm in these rooms.

To me, that's worth a billion dollars, man.

I could be going tomorrow, and I'll take that with me, bro.

So, how do you,

the drug game, so how do you get into the rap game?

Oh, well, my man, Fat Shaw, he used to be a DJ.

So, he had one of them houses that everybody can go to.

We go smoke.

His pops wasn't tripping.

Shout to RP.

That's the big G.

And we used to just be there.

When the block was hot, we used to run there and we used to rap on the mic in the basement.

Because, you know, in Queens, it was all about the mixtape.

You know, we Grandmaster Vic,

DJ Dog Tom, Blazing Amazing DeWick.

We had all kind of DJs.

So that was like the shit to go to the whole in the world parties.

They might get shot up.

But that's back in the days.

My man has to bring eight 10 crates.

So back in the days, those were the, to me, I love DJs now, but all this computer shit is different.

Yeah.

Party gets shot up.

My man fast shot, we still got to stay there and get his 10 crates because he's going to die of his crates.

Rest in peace to my nigga.

Yeah.

You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, because he got the album to move.

We started like that.

We used to be in the basement.

We'll rap over Wu-Tang shit.

We used to listen to Joe, Jealous One Envy.

We used to listen to all kinds of shit.

My man was a dope DJ.

Everybody knew him in the hood.

So that's when we started rapping and playing around.

I started rapping with him first.

We had a little group, Rags the Riches.

And then, you know, 50, you know, we had Lost Boys popping in the hood.

Rest in peace, Freaky Todd.

That was like the first niggas.

Freaky Todd was popping in the hood, Lost Boys being around.

50 had, you know, the deal with GM Master Jay.

But 50 was to get money.

At the bins and all that.

So that's how he got to deal with Jay because he was like 17 with the Benz.

Damn.

You know what I'm saying?

So Jay looking at him like, who this nigga?

He boxed, run around the hood.

50 was a crazy nigga.

Like everybody smoking drink, he running around the projects.

I'm like, what the fuck kind of shit is he?

So

with that said, 50 was a different nigga.

Like, he knocked niggas out in the hood.

So, yeah, he had a name.

You know what I'm saying?

Because he boxed.

You know what I'm saying?

But he had to deal with Jay.

So from Jay, from there, he went to Columbia.

So I used to be with him all the time.

Like, yo, this nigga, Fifth is ill.

Like, Fifth was in the basement.

I ain't even, you know, know, he was a hustler.

I ain't know him for rapping, but he started rapping.

Shit was crazy.

His first album he did, Power with a Dollar, still one of my favorite albums.

Wow.

Why does it seem like it's a natural progression from somebody that comes off the street and they go straight to the rap game?

Remember when Biggie said, you ever sling crack rack or you got a wicked jump shot?

Those were your two choices, huh?

Yeah, I mean, it was like music was an outlet.

Like people, music is a way for somebody, you you know, it was our get away from the hood.

You running away from gun police, you're running away from narcotics, you running away from, you know, bullshit going in the hood.

You know, it's just like it was our escape.

And we started doing the mixtapes and people accepted.

That's why shout out to all the G-Unit fans.

They rock with us because what we did was solid.

We had the streets.

You know, back in the days, people wanted to beat up bootleggers.

The bootleggers was our friends.

Right.

That's what I was saying with 50 with marketing.

People used to come up to your fifth.

I'm going to beat up this bootlegger.

He got your shit.

And fifth be like, why are you doing that?

They're the marketing team.

Looking at him like,

he turned down deals for millions.

I used to be in these meetings.

Like, why are you doing that?

Nah, fifth.

That's not.

Nah, yeah, that's not the deal.

Fifth, we riding around in a 19,

I don't know what year this van was.

We had a Buick with no AC.

We got vests and guns on.

Why you just turned down 1.5 million?

Nah, yeah, yo, that's not the deal.

Was always smart, always ahead of his time.

That's why people be mad.

Yo, you always mention 50.

50 is the reason a lot of shit happened.

But you know how shit is now.

You can't even post a picture or say nothing good about a nigga.

Oh, 50.

Oh, you glazing.

You watching 50 cars.

You glazy.

Yo, no, he was going to say 50.

Yo, 50, 50, yo, 50.

But, you know, he was the reason a lot of niggas' lives changed.

And I'll never take away nothing, nothing from him or talk bad about him.

Because, like I said, it's never him.

Did you, so, so, how, so, how old were you when you first met 50?

Oh, I know 50, like,

50 had to be like 12 years old.

He was like the youngest on the block.

So, when I used to go to the store, when he was 12, I was 10.

I'm thinking about Chuck Norris, Bruce Lee, shit like that.

You know, the Transformers, He-Man, you know, little shit.

Right.

So, you go to the store with my pops, you see the littlest on the block, 12 years old.

And they have the rhyme stone jacket that say boo-boo with the hot rise ring.

So,

It's a little kid.

So he stood out.

See, he was, like I said, he was 12 years old.

Got a little on the block this size, but nothing but old.

Grown ain't with a rhyme stone jacket.

A rhyme stone jacket back in the days was the shit.

Yeah.

And the high-riser ring, you look a lot.

Hold on.

The fuck?

So is that from that basement where you go to your partner's house and his part was cool with you guys smoking?

Is that where G-Unit was formed at?

I would say that in a way, but not in a way, because 50 had to deal with Gym Master J.

Okay.

And then after he got shot, he came back and, you know, me and him got together.

And then I brung Banks to him.

I brung Banks to him because Banks was a little younger.

Banks was younger than both of us.

And then he just came with the blueprint, like, yo, we're going to do this.

And y'all got to go to the studio.

So me, him, and Banks started going to the studio.

And then we started doing the mixtapes.

And the mixtapes was killing the streets.

Like, we had New York City on lock.

Stop taking away shit from G-Unit, y'all.

And Banks is one of the top five too lyricists, bro.

But

we just had some shit, man.

We was dropping, dropping, and people was loving it.

Fifth was just,

he's just a natural writer.

Banks, he just write balls for breakfast.

You know, me, and me, I think people respect my energy.

I have balls, but I think people love my energy on stage and as well as with the music.

You know?

Do you remember about getting, do you remember what you were doing

the morning,

mid-afternoon, late afternoon, when you got the call that 50 had got shot nine times?

Oh, no, I remember that.

Yeah, I went right to his block.

Like, I forgot who called me, but I went right to his grandmother's block because he only lived two blocks away.

You know, and um, you didn't hear anything, you didn't hear no commotion?

I didn't hear no shots.

I guess I got up late or whatever, and um, I walked to the block, and the block was cut off already fixed off, yeah, it was cut off, and it was yellow tape there and shit, mad yellow tape.

I'm like, oh shit, I feel like I need my chapstick, man.

My chapstick at.

Can't find it.

But it was mad yellow tape on the block.

So you couldn't even go down.

You couldn't get to it.

Yeah, you couldn't even get to it.

Lighter.

I don't even got a chapstick.

Yo, so I couldn't get to it.

And

I went to the hospital.

What's the one on Jamaica Avenue?

That's Mary Mackillin?

Mary Mackillin.

That's the hospital that saved him.

And I went in there and, you know, it was mad, you know, people there, people we knew.

And I was like, yo, what's going on?

And he was like, 50 don't want to see nobody.

And then later on down the line, I asked him, I was like, yo, why you never wanted me to see you?

And he was like, at that point, I couldn't see you, see, see, see me in weakness.

It would have fucked your head up.

Probably would have scared you.

You know, because the niggas that he's dealing with, like, cream and them niggas ain't no,

you know what I mean?

They ain't no pushovers.

No, they real with it.

It's real niggas.

So he was like, yo, I wouldn't want you to see me like that.

But 50 didn't give a fuck, baby.

I mean, you do realize for somebody to get hit nine times and survive,

he got a calling.

Definitely.

I believe it's his grandma.

Rest in peace.

She was outside when he got hit.

And then you got to think about this.

She was a church lady.

You know, she was a church lady.

You know, all I know, when I was over there, I used to be scared of 50 grandma.

She's real stern.

She might not say much.

But she was an ongoing church lady.

I think she, 50 quiet side.

And I think 50 loud side, where he get crazy is his grandfather side.

because i remember his grandfather yeah one day i'm laying on the couch on the run and he was like yo you're gonna have to face that iron curtain someday damn and i was like i thought about being on the run i'm like damn he my day up with that one yeah rest in peace to grandpa he my day up with that one man did you think you did you think 50 was would make it through this situation I mean, I don't know.

Did they give you the, I mean, did the doctors tell anybody?

Because you couldn't see him, but did the doctors come out there when he was talking to his grandmother?

You happened to be around his grandfather and he says the prognosis doesn't look good.

I mean, I didn't even know.

I just remember saying he didn't want to see nobody.

He was at the hospital for a while, and everybody just left.

How old was PT at this time?

Had to be in his 20s, man.

24, 25.

Damn.

And then he came back.

When he came back, he used to be strapped every day, you know, big vests on.

We used to drive in that van.

And he didn't care.

If he seen his enemies, it would have been over at that point.

Well, I'm glad y'all y'all didn't see nobody.

Yeah, me too.

Because we made it this far.

Well,

hopefully it's over now.

Yeah, yeah.

I mean,

when you heard the song Wankster,

he played it for you.

Yeah.

Did you think like, okay, this is it?

Wankster, I didn't think.

You know what?

You never know what's the hit record.

Really?

You know what?

I'm glad you said that.

Because you know what?

Every time I ask somebody, oh, I knew that thing was smoking.

Oh, I knew he was going to be a star.

Oh, yeah, damn.

And I knew, I was like, well, damn.

Cut cut the cap

you never know it's gonna be a hit record like artists might have a record that they like like yo i like this record and then a record that they don't even think like 50 didn't like many men i had to talk him into that really he didn't like minimum yo this record's too slow man i used to be in the crib you bugging this one of the hardest records yes one thing about me is i always had the ear when we in the studio

And I'm in the studio with Dre and them, you just know that get rich or die trying is going to be some shit.

Like, that's one of my best experiences in my life, being in the studio with Dr.

Dre and Eminem.

Dr.

Dre was different for me because, you know, he smoked hella weed.

You know, the weed is in there.

Yeah.

The cognac's in there.

I'm in L.A.

for the first time.

Like, oh, shit.

He's playing in the club B.

He's playing PIMP beat.

He's playing.

He got all this shit in the vote.

I'm like, damn.

This nigga Dr.

Dre got to be one of the best producers in the world.

That's one of my best experiences.

Then when you went Eminem, Eminem is more serious.

Like he got

playing pianos and guitars and shit like that.

You're like, damn.

Ain't no smoking.

Eminem will tell you many men, the footsteps, he'd be like,

them footsteps are from poltergeist.

Like, what do you know that's a producer that's like that?

No, those are the footsteps from poltergeist.

I'm like, that's many men.

I'm like, he's listening to the little things.

Damn.

They just take away from Eminem.

Let's keep it real because he a white boy.

Yeah.

Let's keep it real.

I don't listen to Eminem.

I don't listen to him in the car.

You can't name five songs.

It don't.

Yo, listen, it don't matter.

He still do billions on.

He still do billions of streams.

Give us credit.

You know, when you look, and then look at what he did group-wise, right?

You got D-12.

D-12, yeah.

You got G-Unit.

Yep.

50 cosine.

You got Griselda.

Right?

No, no,

let's not forget.

Let's forget about Joe Buttons.

Let's go back to Slowdo House because you can't forget Joe Buttons and them.

And then Griseldo.

All them cosigns helped bring

success to these artists.

You don't think so?

Yeah, for sure.

Do you worldwide because of Eminem?

I don't know why people have a hard time giving people credit.

It's Benzino.

It's the only one.

Benzino, he can't get over it because when you look at M, it's like,

it's like, damn near destroyed the Source magazine when you really think about it.

Nailed in the coffin.

It was over.

Yeah.

Benzino kept getting that Eminem, but the machine was so big that it was like, what?

Yeah, you can't tell.

All right, you got the biggest rapper right now, 50 Cent MM.

We're going to go to XL.

And then you got

the source.

And

you got Dre.

Dre at that time, Dre was the big.

Dre, come on.

You heard them beats on Give Rich Dot trying.

You heard M ⁇ M beats.

Come on, bro.

Snoop Dogg.

Come on.

Shout out to Snoop.

If you're an actor and you say, well, you know, Denzel Washington is my acting coach.

That's instant credibility.

Even when you look at Game, Game did 5 million.

He sold a lot of records.

I would never hate on Game.

I was on his first album.

But come on.

Dr.

Dre co-signed.

Yes.

50 co-signed at the same time.

Eminem, G-Unit.

Come on, bro.

Anybody who signed on G-Unit at that time was going platinum, going gold without a problem.

Damn.

But never bite the hand that feeds you.

That's what I learned about this.

Never shit on the person that turned the lights on you.

Yeah.

50 could diss me tomorrow.

Yo, f ⁇ him.

I'm good, Fifth, with disrespect.

Because you turned the lights on for me.

And I appreciate that.

Sometimes people have a hard time remembering or real, or they have short-term memory.

Yeah.

Because, well, they didn't do it yesterday.

That was 10 years ago.

That was 15 years ago.

Because we live in a society now.

What have you done for me lately?

Exactly.

I'll never forget.

what someone has done for me, be it 10 years, 15, 20 years, it doesn't matter.

Everybody got at me because when Skip and I had our public thing on television,

I said I was sitting across from him because he hadn't signed for me.

I wouldn't have been able to, I wouldn't have been able to have been in that situation so he could get at me like that.

I got back on television.

I was out of television for two years.

Even when they didn't want the higher-ups that Fox didn't want, he says, I won't do the show unless he's across from me.

That's real.

Man, please.

Turn the lights on.

You can't forget that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, he might say it might, yeah, it hurt at the time, but I still realize that the position that I'm in, a lot of what I have was because I got back on television and he gave me an opportunity to show how well-rounded I was, that I could talk about a lot of other things other than football.

He gave me that opportunity.

I'm forever grateful.

Me, that's how I feel.

I'm forever grateful.

Anybody put me on.

That's why I always shout out Eminem and Dr.

Dre.

Yeah, for sure.

You know, you do too much now.

You can't even put a picture with social media.

He glazing.

He's like, man.

Yeah, yo, 50.

50s kids.

This, that.

You're watching 50s car.

But it's cool for me because that I learned, I put my faith in God.

That shit don't mean shit to me.

I've been making money before there was a Instagram.

I've been traveling the country before there was a Instagram.

That shit don't mean nothing to me.

And I know how the rap game is.

Don't like me.

Right.

And I'm cool with that.

I'm not mad at anybody.

I got money with 50.

I don't need to be friends with everybody.

I never disrespect nobody.

Right.

You know, I just sit back and be humble.

That's it.

Well, you guys started to blow up.

You on the run.

Yeah.

I had a gun charge.

Why didn't you go on and face the charge?

Honestly, there was this judge.

His name is Judge Wong, and he was like, no joke.

And I just didn't want to.

Nobody wants to go to jail, Shay Shay.

Well, damn,

you should have put that thing.

You put it, put the tool down.

No, so yeah, I mean, I was bugging out.

I got caught slipping.

Things happened.

But for me, I didn't want to go to jail.

Okay.

So I got a passport.

I put my brother's name on it because we look alike.

I went in the passport building and everything.

And I got a passport and traveled everywhere.

I went to Barcelona.

I went to Spain.

I was around Eminem, Dr.

Dre.

Damn.

I never wanted to go to jail.

I was like, yo, I got a friend like that.

He was running forever.

He just got caught the other day.

Bird, nobody wants to go to jail.

They'll run if they have to.

So I was running.

I'm like, damn, I'm traveling the country.

But after 9-11

happened, rest in peace to everybody in that situation, it turned into a federal crime.

So, people at the office were so stupid.

I'm gonna tell you what it was.

It was, I don't want to say the girl's name, but they gave me my paperwork.

I'm just from jail, I had my first day out, coming home.

I got my paperwork.

I didn't even check the paperwork, the paperwork had the passport in it, and the passport had my brother's name.

It was a faulty passport.

I go to parole and hand this shit to my parole officer.

Yo, here, man.

I'm excited.

I'm home.

I'm Tony A.

Oh, shit.

The paperwork.

Home.

Get to see my daughter.

She was born.

Gave the paperwork to my parole officer.

He was like, wait a minute.

It's a passport with your face, but not your name.

This is a phony document.

He called the feds in my first day out.

I had to go back to the jail.

I went to federal prison.

What?

Well, it was a reception jail, MDC.

They had me in there for a minute.

I was in MDC because that was like a, they gave me six months and probation because because it was a federal law.

Once after 9-11, you got a fake passport, not a federal crown.

Damn.

You get out one day.

Just my luck.

Life ain't never been easy for me.

You're like, damn, I got buzz of luck.

Hell yeah.

Fuck.

You know, I was in that cell, like, fuck.

That's when you drop a tear when you buy yourself.

Was that the first time you cried in jail?

No, I mean, that was the first time, yeah.

Because my first day, I'm like, you out, we got freedom, you know, you skipping up there.

You know what's up on the ride, I'm handcuffed, and I'm hearing, I want to get to know your G-Unit song.

I'm like, oh, my God, bro.

It's on the radio.

That shit is G-Units playing.

I want to get to know you with Joe.

I'm like, damn.

Man.

Got to my cell.

Yeah, I dropped a tear.

We only human, man.

You spend time

on 50's couch.

Of course.

Sleep on his couch.

Yeah.

Family is around.

Tell the people the protocol.

If your man's let you sleep at his place

and he got a baby mama.

Yeah.

The protocols make sure you're fully clothed.

Always keep sweatpants on.

Try to stay out the way.

Yes.

Yes.

You know, keep a shirt on.

Yes.

And try to stay out the way as much as you can.

Right.

You know, don't smoke in the house.

Don't do too much.

Don't open the infrigerator unless, if asked, if you ask.

Because sometimes.

I don't know.

I mean, 50 a real one.

I don't know, man.

To live there?

I'd be like, oh, the couch.

50.

Nah, he knows I'm not.

But I'm saying, but just, I mean, you crashed the couch, man, and his people's there.

I feel like this.

For me, once this young lady, I don't even look.

I look her into my eyes.

It's that sis.

That's just how I was born.

Okay.

That's how I do.

You know, niggas get smoked with shit like that.

For real, though.

Like, I'm not f ⁇ ing with your wife.

I don't even want your side joint if you have one.

Like, I'm just, that's just how I am.

I don't play with dudes women.

So for me, that was sis at that time.

Right.

You know, and I had love for a son.

I still got love for a son.

Marquise still got love for him.

You know what I'm saying?

I still got love for him.

You know, sometimes his baby moms get at me a little bit online, but I don't pay no mind to that, man.

I just stay humble, man.

You told a story that

50 granddad told you.

You're going to have to face that steel curtain.

Yeah.

I remember 50 baby moms one time.

We was at dinner and she was like, y'all are all robots.

Right?

Because we only listen to what 50 said.

We never, she say something, we ain't, we was like,

we ain't, that's white, that's your girl, we over here.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So 50 say something, we do it.

So I remember one time she said, y'all are all robots.

And my man, Holleen, was like, we are robots.

That shit was funny, man.

I got the stories, man.

I'm always getting put through the ringer.

Yeah, yo.

Cause look, when somebody don't talk the fifth no more, it's automatic.

Yeah, yo.

Yeah.

Except for banks.

You know what I mean?

It's automatic.

Yeah, yo.

Yo, yeah, yo, too, man.

And I'll be like, damn, I ain't ain't even.

Yeah, you got to be with him.

I get drugged into it.

It's always like that.

You heard Fat Joe.

We wanted to kill Yayo.

Throw him in the trunk.

They were serious.

Everybody went, it's always f ⁇ Yayo.

Right.

And Ye-Yo stay out of the business.

I love 50.

I stay out of his business.

Whatever happens, what he does personally, that's what he got to deal with.

I don't get involved in that.

That's your lady.

That's your kid.

I ain't got nothing to do with that.

As for Marquise, I got love for him.

I ain't got no problems with him.

But that's between him and 50.

Yeah, I stay out there.

It's not none of my business.

I stay out of people's relationships.

Yeah.

You know how sometimes in the hood, nigga might be slapping up his girl or something like that, and it comes saving, and now they all both beating you up?

Yeah, that's what happened.

Yeah, that's what happened.

Stay out of relationship business.

Hey, because you know they're going to be back to the business.

Yeah, you know they're going to be back together in a day or two.

I stay out of people's business.

You got to.

You know, that's how I made it this far.

Especially where we from, mind your business.

New York City, that's one thing we good at.

Mind your business.

Yeah, y'all do.

I'm fucking business y'all y'all pretend y'all don't see nothing it's like man you just something people take and you know what people from the south take it personally they do they take it personally we help we help everybody be like no don't do that don't do that listen

when you even think about it right

ross and 50 right

Ross is not they got a beef because 50 didn't say what up to him that's just a New York thing right at one of the awards I wasn't there but that's how it sparred right nigga ain't say what's up to me Because down south, y'all have more of a...

Hey, how you doing?

Nigga, bring you an apple pot to your crib.

Nigga from New York is looking right straight with me.

The affluent.

Poisoning that shit?

Yeah.

They do.

My man, Mom's one time we eating.

We, rest her soul, my man, Stripe, we eating.

She come to us.

Yo, if the people next door offer you food, don't eat it.

Two minutes later, Dodd came and tried to bring us a plate.

We like, man, we good.

I don't know till this day why she said that, but I listened to her.

Right.

New York, we just different.

Be getting beat up.

I don't care if you're white, Jewish, black, Mexican, Dominican, Puerto Rican, whatever nationality, Jewish, everybody's tough.

You might think this dude is soft.

Don't talk to me like that.

I'll be ready to box.

So, New York, we just naturally mind our business and keep it moving.

So, when you look at the whole world situation,

and I know he probably gonna go in, yo, yo, I'm in my pool,

you, whatever, because I don't care about all that material shit.

My higher powers up there.

Right.

Right.

So for me,

like, you just met, you have a beef with a nigga because the and say what up.

But that's just more of a New York thing.

Right.

Down south, y'all embrace each other more.

And I love that too.

I love going to Atlanta.

We do.

I love it like that.

We love it.

You go to the country and people

say hi to you.

We're not used to that shit.

Shit.

Because when I moved, I remember when I moved to Atlanta,

the white guy across the street, he brought me a cake.

When's the last time you

He brought me a cake.

Yo, he says,

he's like, if you ever go out of town, you need me to watch your house.

I'll watch the house.

I ended up giving a man a key to the house.

That's crazy.

I'm going to tell you why.

When we overseas, me and my man, Uncle Murder, we do odds and evens to see if certain white people are going to get in the elevator with us.

Because we black niggas in a five-star hotel.

But we not supposed to be, we the only niggas in the hotel.

We here because if you don't want a app of 50 Cent, we do odds and evens.

Yo, is this nigga gonna get in the elevator with us?

Right.

Damn sure.

Spin around.

I seen a little kid run in the elevator.

Mom's going, what are you doing?

Yeah, we in a Monty Hotel.

We in the best hotels in the world.

They ain't never seen a n in there.

They're like, man, nigga, what?

We got pulled over on our way here

yesterday.

My man wanted to argue with police.

I'm like, why do you argue?

You know who we got pulled over for.

Shut the f up, nigga.

Yeah.

You know what we got.

You know what I got pulled over for?

Nigga, you know who we got.

The fuck you mean?

Cars.

Yeah.

You fit the description.

Sometimes I ain't gonna front.

I hate when people argue with police.

What I got pulled for.

You know what you got pulled over for.

All this Trump shit going on.

Like I told you, my man running through D.C., he got a, don't even want to drive.

Damn.

Yeah, don't eat.

I hope they don't come to New York and all these other places.

Yeah.

But it's crazy.

Rikers, what was Rikers?

How long were you at Rikers?

I was in Rikers for like a couple of months.

That's the worst place to be in the world.

Is it?

Yeah, it's the worst, man.

That's over there by LaGuardia, isn't it?

Yeah, it's the worst, man.

Y'all see the planes take.

Did you daydream?

I mean, because you see.

That's the real, to me, that's the real gladiator school.

Like, one thing about New York, New York grimy is different than everywhere else.

Like, niggas used to spit razors out their mouth.

Like, people used to be professional girls who cut you.

Like, New York is just it's grimy.

So, like Rikers Island, like a motherfucker will spit a rays out on you, cut you and you wouldn't even see it coming.

That's how it is for breakfast.

It's not a game.

That's one of the most scariest experiences you could have in life.

Damn.

It's going to Rikers Island.

You're going over the bridge.

You see the home of the boulders.

You bumping on it.

It's your first time in.

You know, it's the most insane thing I had to deal with in life.

I never wanted to go to jail again.

You got to smell other people's shit, take showers and shit.

Watch your back.

This just broke up with his girl.

You got a gang over here extorting this nigga.

You got

buckets stolen.

Motherfucking cut for cigarettes.

Like, what the whole nother world.

Jail and prison is a whole nother world.

I never want, I didn't skid bids.

Like, I learned my lesson off of little bits.

Like, all right, that.

I could never do this.

So, what's the difference between jail and

prison?

Oh, jail is Rikers Allen, MDC.

Right.

Prison is, you know, up top, the mountains.

You know, where you got to figure out what car you're going to be in.

That's prison.

Prison, a whole nother world.

That's when you go up north, green, all that.

Yeah.

Attica.

That's prison.

Jail is Rikers Allen.

Right.

MDC, MCC.

That's federal.

You know.

Yeah.

Yo, listen, it was to a point when this G-Unit,

and this is one thing why I say I love 50 again, is we had a lawyer for every situation.

We had Steve Murphy and bodies.

We had Scott Lehman, federal.

We had Bob Macedonia, state.

The list goes on and on.

Edwin Hammond, I haven't heard from him.

He was a parole lawyer.

There's a different lawyer for every situation.

So a lot of these kids, they get in trouble and they don't even have the lawyer money.

The lawyer money is the main thing you need to make sure you're good.

Because with a legal aid, you're going straight to prison.

Oh, yeah, you're going, yeah.

Even if you're innocent.

Oh, yeah.

He's going to be in there.

Hey,

he's going to plead at Yale.

Yeah, there was a lawyer supply for every situation.

Yeah, he got it.

Every situation.

And I needed one for that.

But jail, experience.

Prison, I never really went to.

Right.

I did the shock program.

Everybody be like, oh, he went to shock.

He didn't go to real jail.

That's right.

I wanted to get home.

It was blowing up.

We outsold Jay-Z that year.

Right.

With Beg for Mercy.

Right.

I remember seeing it in the paper.

One of the CEOs went to.

I was like, Beg for Mercy, that's you, right?

I was on the cover.

How'd How'd that look?

You on the cover of Magdalena, you in here.

Yeah.

They're like, bro, you don't get your ass out of here.

That's why I always say Eminem wearing the Free Ao shit at the Grammys was like, that was a turning point in my life because he didn't have to do that.

I was on Rikers Island.

And I was like, yo, Free Ao, Eminem, you know, at this point, he's selling 16 million records, hard copies.

Not streams, not a machine.

This is facts.

Like, you're going to FYE, Blockbuster, World, Power,

Target.

Good times.

Yeah.

16 million.

So

when M got that shirt on Free Yale,

are you watching it?

Are you watching?

And they look at you like.

Yeah, shout out to Tracy McNew at Paul Rosenberg.

They called me from Shady, Marcla Bell, and they was like, yo, make sure you get to watch the Grammys that night.

And, you know, I'm in my house, C73.

I didn't go on my no Debo shit because you know jail's about politics.

Because you know, you can get stabbed over the TV and the newspaper.

That's what they tell you.

Three warnings.

TV, newspaper, and the phone.

That's where a a lot of shit.

Is it first come first, sir?

Or is that seniority?

You know, you got the Spanish dudes, they may want to watch Caliente, and then you have the black dudes, they may want to watch B.E.T.

or something.

But I told them that night, yo, I just need a couple of seconds to watch the Grammys.

And then they let me rock, and I watched the TV.

It wasn't like I came, yo, give me the fucking TV.

Right.

I was locked up with one of Diddy's security guards, Big Barnes.

Word.

That was Diddy, like, man.

That was my man.

That's my man till this day.

Named Barnes.

It's my dude.

You said something very interesting.

You said blacks versus Hispanics in jail.

You said Hispanics go to jail, they're protected by their own.

But when blacks go to jail, they're beefing with their own.

Yeah, that's how Rikers was.

So Rikers, Rikers, they could be in the same game.

You could be Blood and I could be Blood and they still banging.

Or you could be Cripped and you could be Cripped and they're still banging.

Why?

I don't know, man.

It's just the way it is.

But you said, I mean, you said the Hispanics or the Aryans.

Oh, yeah.

When a spanish dude get to jail you know some spanish you good money you good money yo you need sneakers you need protection you need a knife you need this because that's how they stick together bro

you know it's a shame sometimes black people should stick together how how how can we do that how can we stick together

i think it starts with people like me and you talking about it

It's like, what can we do to make a difference?

You got little kids out here with switches everywhere you go.

Nobody cares about them.

You know, Trump just took away a lot of after-school programs.

So you got more little kids in the street.

You know, and then the guys that are trying to help them, that get the grants and try to get the guys off the street, like my man Droe

from Shady, you know, that he works with the kids.

He brings rappers around them.

People like you,

they need a way out.

That's what it is because my kids are good.

I'm good.

You know, now it's what can I do to make things better?

We got to talk about it.

Where do switches come from?

Why can somebody 3D gun?

And why they ended up in our community.

Exactly.

Why can somebody make a 3D gun now?

Like, where's all this coming from?

So we say we want to clean up the streets, but where is it coming from?

And why do we need a 3D gun?

Because you're being in places where when we go to the Bronx, man, listen, I don't even go to the Bronx.

The Bronx for me is a no-fly zone.

Damn, yeah.

Yeah.

I ain't going to the Bronx.

I might go to Fat Joe and them dispensary or something real quick, but I ain't going to hang out, mingle, shoot a video.

Dangerous out there.

And what it is, is,

you know, the kids, the shooters are getting younger and younger.

They 13, 14.

Yeah, drill rap now.

I just smoked your brother.

That shit is crazy.

That shit is some crazy shit.

And I'm not against all the drill music.

Sometimes, you know, some of it is entertaining, but when you're saying you smoked somebody's brother or

did this and did that, I was killed your brother.

That shit is back and forth.

That shit is really real.

So, now, where does it stop?

Because you do me, I got you, do my brother.

I got to get you.

It never stops because they go right to Instagram.

Because now, I think, like, you know, how back in the days we used to glorify the drug dealer?

Yeah.

Now they're glorifying

the shooter to do with five bodies.

That's why, let's keep it real.

That's why we like King Gong.

That's why we like

Bloodhound, right?

Bloodhound Lil Jeff.

That's why

we like it.

People,

and listen, I like gangster music.

Don't get me wrong.

But there's a difference between gangster music and reality.

Yes.

You know what I'm saying?

I dealt with the reality part.

Like I said, my mom's crib got shot up.

I don't want to go through that shit.

That shit was some real shit when shit happens.

But now, with the drill rap, it's a whole different game, man.

Yo, you can shot my brother.

We're going to kill 10 of yours.

Go right on Instagram because now you got social media.

Well, that's even more crazy because they don't care if your mom's in the spot, your kids.

You see it every day.

They run down on anybody now.

They don't care, man.

They don't care.

Some people, innocent people getting shot, just riding through blocks in Chicago.

Oh, shit, that's the op.

No, you just shot an innocent lady.

Now that's when it's going too far.

Yeah.

Protect yourself, cool.

Protect yourself.

You should always be able to protect yourself.

Right?

But

when innocent people get hit, like I told you, the Brooklyn thing, lady was 61 years old in the Jamaican spot.

How they getting all them guns?

It's hard as hell to get a gun in New York, Yale.

Nah.

I mean, they get

hard for you.

Because I'm trying to do it legal, huh?

Guns is like t-shirts, man.

If you wore what you want to do.

Yo, look, I used to think there was no guns in Canada until I went out there.

It's just the price of a gun in Canada costs more than the price of a gun in New York.

To get it to Canada, that shit might cost you $10,000, $5,000.

You know what I mean?

So the price go up for the gun but the guns is everywhere them like hey come on bro you see them kids in philly man yeah the kids in chicago

come on i heard a man say with the shooting in brooklyn a dude got shot so many times when they lift him up there was it looked like there was no more blood in his body like i said back in the days get shot five times eight times survive yeah you don't got a three you got a nine point

A nine point with yeah, yeah, yeah, you put a seven millimeter nail.

They get in here with army

Niggas got military stuff.

Yeah, 308, 233, yeah.

Now, the reason how we finish is how do you, how does it get to the street?

How does a 16-year-old kid got a

nine with a

cop killers in it with a switch on the back?

They should, man, they got they carrying guns that they use to hunt elephants and lions with that's why that's why I say that to me when I learned when I got out the street I learned that this shit is all a business jail is a business Rich buying the jail.

Motherfucker got to sit there, do the jail time, right?

So put theirself in jail.

Because with the technology they got now, like, let's talk about an indictment.

What is an indictment?

You sit there and you let a person do crimes.

Well, lock them up for the first shooting.

Nah, let him get more shooting.

More shooting.

Because you need more time on it.

Give him 80 years.

Give him 100 years to be in court.

Like, yo, he got 112 months in the feds.

What the f is that?

that

natural life yeah

you put a hit out on somebody like i when i did my little time in the feds i read the fed lines fed guidelines and i was like damn

is in there selling the feds fake bricks it might not even be real work it might be sugar and you still getting charged for them bricks yeah

so you came out better selling them real

if you call a hit yo i want to get this killed man i get a motherfucker from from lay to kill a nigga in in New York.

Oh, that's natural life.

Then with the cameras, you got the license plate cameras now, speed cameras.

So for any criminal, you do a crime, you're going to get caught.

Then you got your phone.

You go do a hit.

That's the worst thing, yeah.

You see it all the time.

Motherfucker, go do a hit.

I wasn't there.

You know how many niggas I know locked up?

Y'all wasn't there.

And that thing peeing.

Let's just go to this ATT.

Bro, that thing peeing.

It's a lose-lose situation.

It is.

Facial recognition.

I'll be talking to Lisa Evans.

I don't know if you know her from Fox Flow, but that's a friend of mine.

And she tells me the technologies that police have.

Like, yo, yeah, they got, they'll take cameras off the ATM.

They got facial recognition.

They got DNA off the clothes now.

You're going to get caught, bro.

You mentioned in 2023 that Dora Lanes would be a target.

And lo and behold.

Why was he not, why was he not, why was he in G-pop?

Well, when you look at it, man, with street credibility, people respect you more.

Like me being Tony A.

Owens and general population on the island, it was more respect.

Man, damn that.

Damn that respect.

Yeah, that's...

It was stupid.

It was stupid on my part.

I ain't going to lie.

But when you in PC, they look at it like, oh, yo, you in there with punks, dudes, pedophiles.

You know, you ain't a real one.

So you don't want to be in PC.

It's less movement.

You might not can't get your weed.

You know, on the island, you on PC.

You got police walking with you.

So it's really no comfortability.

And then, really, it's a status thing.

Because let's keep it real.

If he wouldn't be in PC, you wouldn't listen to his music.

The kids ain't.

They wanted to be real.

So to be hard, you're going to be in there and almost lose your life.

Yeah, it was a dumb thing, general population.

But it's a dumb thing.

You know, he should have been secluded because he's a star and you the biggest target.

Any rapper go to jail, you the target.

You're going to make a name.

Yeah.

That's just like, that's like with anybody, like a serial killer we saw with Jeffrey Dahmer.

Dahmer and we see they

you can't they can't put you in G-pop.

Somebody gonna make a name off you.

Yeah, and it's terrible what happened to him.

And you know, he should have been more secluded.

Even even my time on the island, when they started to know who I was, they didn't want to, they were supposed to be so-called hit to on me.

You know what I'm saying?

But they didn't, they, I was leaving, so they was like, all right, we ain't gonna put them in PC, but they'll forcefully put you in there.

But like Tori, they probably wanted to put him in there, and he probably was like, nah, I don't want to do that.

But that's the life we live.

They want you to be what your music is.

You know, that's just the life we live, man.

And it's a point of ignorance.

But I can't say, you know, I was once ignorant.

You know, we was like the first rapper showing guns on mixtapes.

Right.

And so I can't say, you know, I ain't have my part in some of this shit, but, you know, the whole thing is how you make it better.

Right.

I'd rather see a motherfucker get on than be on the block and shoot something.

Because with New York rappers, we just got bad luck.

We always get indicted or get killed

before we get on.

Right.

Casanova, pop smoke.

The list go on and on.

I either get killed or get indicted ahead of time.

Do you see Blue Face new tattoo?

Yeah,

all of his face, Blue Face?

Yeah, he's tatted up.

You getting the tattoos while you're in?

Nah.

I think that tattoo is an LA thing more.

Like them LA niggas put a tattoo on their forehead.

New York niggas really wasn't.

That's my first time seeing a tattoo on a n ⁇ head.

I always tell a story about Suge Knight when we ran into the, I think it was 118th Street.

right?

And that's the first time I seen like a with a full-blown tattoo on his forehead.

New York niggas really don't do that shit, right?

On their face like that.

When did

it was probably before you, but when did we start, when did we start glorifying prison culture?

When was that okay?

When would that imagine honor?

Man, it's a sad thing,

but I think it was just, it's just been from the be from the 80s to on.

It's like a

graduate school and be like yo him and then a come from jail And we just it's just like we always trained to have something for him.

Yeah

Yo send him 10,000.

Yo, yo, give him me sneakers.

Yo, get him a chain.

So it was like from the beginning of time like from the 80s Just that was the thing to do every time somebody came home.

And I'm not saying anybody can't make mistakes.

You know what I'm saying?

But I feel like a that graduated high school or college, he should get glorified too.

Yes.

You know, he should have a bag waiting for him too when he graduate, not just the that came from jail.

Uh-huh.

You know?

Yeah.

But it did, it do come a trend though.

You're right.

We do glorify jail.

We do.

And it's a f ⁇ ed up thing because people, you know,

when you really, really sit back and think about it, because jail, anybody who's in jail really don't even want to be in there.

Nah.

All the is doing life, natural life, man, I don't want to be in here.

They would trade with the person that's on the outside and it seemed like the person on the outside tried to do everything they can to get on the inside.

Right.

Because usually when you see like the dudes that do long bids and come home, they come home, find the lady, relax.

They don't ever want to go to jail again.

Maybe 20, 15.

But the dudes that do like short bids, 5, 5, 5, 2, 2, 2, they always go back to jail.

I don't know why it's like that.

But

really learned their lesson when they do that long.

They do that long stretch.

You know, niggas like that.

They're 15, they're doing the right thing.

They work non-profits.

They

work out, got their lady, and just chill.

They out the way.

I heard Fat Joe say yesterday, he felt,

he didn't say it yesterday, but I heard it yesterday, that he felt guilty enjoying Gunner music because Gunner was labeled, you know.

I mean, I look at it like this with Gunner, man.

Gunner make dope music.

He's one of the dopest to me.

He's.

And he number one now?

Yeah, he's like number one.

I think he did like 80,000.

I look at it like this, right?

People take pleas, right?

Right.

It just looked funny because it was on camera.

We don't know what his lawyer told him.

Right.

My lawyer done told me to take pleas before.

You know what I'm saying?

So that's just copping out.

Like, yo, I don't want to go to trial.

I'm going to take this plea.

Right.

So with the plea, he didn't know his lawyer.

His lawyer just said, yo, his lawyer probably came and sell you.

I'm going to get you out today.

Just take this plea.

Okay.

You know what I'm saying?

So when he took the plea, his lawyer saying, the DA is saying, yo, this was a gang.

They already felt in their mind that there was a gang.

He said, yeah, he probably didn't know all that was going to happen.

He was like, yeah, I'm going to get out of here.

I got to make my money, make this.

At the end of the day, Thugger took a plea too.

Is a Thugger rep for that?

Right.

The only one that didn't take a plea was one of them, right?

Right.

Everybody else took a plea.

It's just that he did it before Thugger, so it looked funny to the public.

And then if that plea wasn't on camera, niggas wouldn't be saying that.

Do you think Thugger and Gunner ever reconcile?

I don't know.

It would be dope for hip-hop.

But right now, I think Gunnar's, you know, he just dropped his last, what, two albums?

So he's out that deal and he's doing perfectly fine by himself.

Is Thugger a legend for Atlanta?

Yes.

So is Gunner, though.

Right.

But, you know, I think people is quick to judge.

And so the only one that could judge you is God.

Right.

So when you look at all the shit, I don't f with him.

I don't f with him.

His music is still dope.

You can't deny dope music.

I don't give a f if you feel like a hole, a nigga's this way, or a nigga is not gangster or

is a nerd.

If you drop dope music, nothing defies that.

Dope music is dope music.

I'm not here to judge Gunner.

I'm here to listen to his music.

If you drop some dope music, I'm going to listen to it.

I'm going to listen to it.

As well as Lil Baby, as well as Future.

I listen to all them niggas.

You know what I'm saying?

But dope music is dope music, bro.

If you could give some advice to Lil Dirk, what would you tell him?

I would just tell him to hold his head.

You know, it's tough when you're facing federal charges.

Hold Hold your head and listen to your lawyer.

It's easy to get in trouble when it's hard to get out.

It is.

It is.

That's a wise man once told me that.

It's easy to get in trouble.

It's hard to get out.

And as rappers, we being watched.

Let's not act like we ain't being.

You got millions of dollars.

You got enough money to do whatever.

And now, Yale,

they're taking your lyrics and say, okay,

that's real.

Because they tried to use

Thugger's lyrics.

They tried to use Gunner's lyrics and say, see, he telling you what he did.

And something that maybe something they do put up.

They're using social media as the feds, and everybody's using social media as the outlet.

Like a motherfucker put up a gun and the feds will go get the serial number and yo, look, lock him up.

That gun is stolen.

They could freeze on the serial number, do it.

They're using social media and lyrics now because in their eyes, we making it too easy.

A motherfucker, y'all just killed this nigga.

They're going to use that.

He just said he shot him the way the murder was.

And that wasn't publicized.

Yo,

he just said he shot him this amount of times.

He just put that in the song.

Of course they're gonna use that.

Right.

The DA going to play that shit in court.

When did it become cool

to start flossing your tube?

Guys used to keep that thing tucked.

Now everybody wanted to.

You're right.

You're right.

Everybody wanted it.

The G Unit, we did it.

We used to have them on the covers.

But I see

for a photo op, okay, I get that.

But these guys on social media waving that thing around like

I think

the traditional suburban kid that doesn't live that life that wakes up to lobster.

You know, like I asked some of my friends in Long Island, they'd be like, damn, my kids are arguing up with lobster.

You know, I think the entertainment for them is a side of a life that they wouldn't know nothing about.

You know, and I feel the kids to the point is like, I don't give a f.

I got ops.

This is my life.

I ever make, because look how many artists, like Bloodhound Little Jeff, you know about dope artists.

He was about to be like the next King Vaughan.

He's gone.

Q50, another artist that's with him.

He just car just got shut up in St.

Louis.

Shit is real.

St.

Louis is cool, but I'm not going sightseeing around that motherfucker.

People laying folk down.

Yeah.

LA is cool, but I'm not going sightseeing around that motherfucker.

LA, you can go to town and the waiter could be

Crib or Mexican game.

Yo, Shannon in here, he got some jewelry on.

Niggas got to drop on you while you eating.

Damn.

Because that was definitely a thing.

During COVID, you know, people, you had to be outside.

People would run up on you, taking your AP, taking your paddock.

They follow you home.

Yeah.

Lay you down.

Niggas rob, what's the kid, Jack Doherty?

They robbed him on Rodeo with a security.

These niggas don't care.

Nah.

That's why I don't care to wear this shit.

They get to drop on you.

And And look, it ain't safe nowhere.

No.

Yeah, you know, if they want to get you, they're going to come.

Yeah, get you.

It ain't safe nowhere.

That's why I say the hardest thing about being a celebrity or being, you know, in some kind of limelight, it's a dangerous job.

It's very dangerous to me.

Tell them about that Carnac Spy in it.

Cogniac is fire.

You got to give me a bottle of that.

I got you.

We going to get your address?

You need some more of that.

But it's crazy, Shea, man.

Damn.

Even, you know, because you know, back in in the, you know, Rodale, you like, I ain't getting right.

Oh, you, oh, man, that was, man, I remember the first time I went to Riddell and then seeing all these shops, things that you, I remember the first time I ever saw Riddell

was Lifestyle of the Rich and Famous.

Robin Lake.

Robin Lake was famous.

Lifestyle of the rich and famous.

And I'm, so I'm seeing it, and now I'm on Riddale Drive.

And I'm seeing, like, man, Slaatchy and Tiffany and this.

And I remember the,

I forget the guy's name, but he had a yellow, he had a yellow, I think it was a Rolls-Royce at the time, I think it's a Bentley now, but in Bijan, and it's right out front.

And me and my brother, we walking down, I'm like, man, I'm overdale drive.

And don't nobody got to care in the world.

Women got their purse twirling around their head.

They ain't worried about nothing.

You ain't worried about nothing.

Nothing.

That's when Callie was fun.

Now, women overdeal drive got their purses like this.

I'm like, well, damn.

Even Atlanta.

Atlanta, I remember us going to Ludacris Day.

Craziest thing in the world.

I said, I loved Atlanta.

I said, man, Atlanta, I wanted to move to Atlanta.

I said, man, this is the place.

Beautiful women over, everywhere.

The vibe was cool.

Not a worry in the world.

Now you go to Atlanta, go see my man.

He's like, yo, load the whole truck up, nigga.

You can't even stop at the gas station.

No, no, no.

That's the most dangerous place.

The gas station.

The most dangerous place.

Atlanta, yo.

Atlanta is the certain, I've never seen a place where you hear say, yeah, man, the kids bought a U-Haul and they rammed in the gun store.

What?

You in New York?

We ain't.

We ain't in the gun state.

They rammed in the gun store, took all the guns.

Man, listen, it's too crazy.

It's getting crazier.

It's getting crazier.

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