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In August of 2006, the Los Angeles Times published a story with the headline, The Taste That Launched a Thousand Parking Tickets.

The article profiled a new West Hollywood frozen yogurt shop co-founded by Shelly Wong, a Korean immigrant and USC business school graduate, and her romantic partner Young Lee, a fellow Korean immigrant with a background in nightclub design.

Their co-lab yielded an aesthetically pleasing decor and a similarly sleek, minimalist menu built around just two flavors, plain and green tea with fresh fruit as toppings.

The ostensibly healthy sweet treatery served as a buglight for the yoga pants set.

Lines of wealthy Angelinos wrapped around the block and paparazzi photographed Lindsey Lowen and Paris Hilton copying the frogurt.

The brand was so hot it quickly spawned a clone competitor, even down to the color plus fruit brand name, Red Mango.

But as it opened enough locations to meet demand, first in LA, then internationally, controversy naturally arose.

It battled allegations that Huang's bespoke recipe did not contain enough active cultures to meet the legal standard for yogurt.

And in 2010, after the company received an infusion of cash from pathetic Starbucks ghoul Howard Schultz, Huang filed for divorce from co-founder Lee, and then in 2012, Lee was arrested for horrifically beating an unhoused panhandler with a tire iron.

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Jesus Christ.

This week on Dough Boys, we return to Pinkberry.

Welcome to Dough Boys, the podcast about chain restaurants.

I'm Tiger Weiger, along with my co-host,

Meal Diamond, the Spoon Man, Mike Mitchell.

All right.

That's nice.

This isn't even really a roast.

That's not that mean.

This isn't even really a roast.

It's a pretty cool nickname for a food personality, TBH.

And the Spoon Man is surely familiar with roast inspiration Neil Diamond, whose anthemic Sweet Caroline is a signature song at the Red Sox's Fenway Park in Boston.

That's true, Wisconsin.

City young Mike Mitchell was raised near.

That's true.

That is true.

This is true.

I was born in the city, St.

Margaret, Margaret.

And he grew up in Quincy, Massachusetts, as you've talked about.

Keep up the good fork at Grip Grand.

Our friend Grip Grand.

Oh, I would like Grip Grand.

P.S.

There was a suggestion from the boys after they read my last on-air roast, Tom Cruise, that Grip Grand is a horny name.

While they would never deny being horny, it is actually, for better or for worse, a rap name.

Stream Grip Grand wherever music is found.

Sorry to disappoint.

Thank you all for the best podcast, especially the Deus.

Mainly The Deus.

Thank you only to the Deus.

Should we stream it?

I'm at birdfuck.com.

Wow.

We could stream.

I don't know if we can stream it because maybe Grip Grand will this is his trick to get to super.

Yeah, let's not do that.

We give him a shout out.

That's enough.

Yeah.

Could Grip Grand just not?

You could be a rapper and horny.

That's true.

That is also true.

Honestly, I would say

generally that tends to correlate.

Yeah.

I feel like there's a lot of horny right now.

Yeah, it's true.

You ever see Nellie's tip drill video?

It's horny as hell.

I haven't seen it.

So are we going to stream these things or what?

How are you doing, Wags?

I'm hanging in there.

How you doing?

I'm all right.

What's up?

Oh, Mitch.

What's going on?

You asked me how I was doing so you could talk about how you're doing, clearly.

You want the truth?

Yeah, tell us.

I'm on the Epstein list.

Well, you should be happy.

I know.

They're not going to literally.

They're not going to release it.

I know.

I probably shouldn't tell people, but I just found out today I'm on the Epstein list.

Dox yourself as being on the Epstein list, and it was going to be under lock and key.

I know.

You're this close to getting away with it.

I know.

Why am I doing this?

Why are you doing this?

You want to be caught.

That's the issue.

You wanted it to be public so you could be associated with all these other high-end celebrities and feel like you're in the same group.

Guess what number I am on it?

One.

Oh, you're at the top of the list.

Yeah.

But I don't know, it's not alphabetical, so I don't know how I got up there.

But

anyway,

I didn't see anything.

I didn't see anything at all.

But like my friend offered me like a ride on on his plane, and I took it a few times.

And that's all, you know, and now I'm on the list.

So to the island?

Yes.

We did go to the island, but I didn't see anything.

Okay.

So, but

what would you do on the island?

What activities?

We don't have to get into this.

I'm on the list.

You brought this up.

I know.

You brought this all upon yourself.

Yeah.

I shouldn't have done it.

I shouldn't have said it.

I shouldn't have said it.

You were so close to getting away with it.

I know.

I mean, whatever.

It's fine.

he's he's a good guy he's doing well so i got i guess i guess while we're in this territory mitch i'm on the list i know i know well i was gonna say well well not the epstein list uh santa's naughty list

been a bad little boy

see i'm not on the naughty list which proves even though i am on the epstein well because then now that's making me wonder is santa on that epstein list well guess what he's number two oh boy i think that they i think they they made the list from most santa leg to least santa leg So me and then Santa.

You were at a degree too far in the Tim Allen transformation montage.

Okay.

We're pushing it.

I'm doing all right.

I'm hungover, dude.

Yeah, I know.

You were saying this.

You said you were hung over.

And we're recording.

I'm fucking hung.

It's a Tuesday.

Why did you tie one on last night?

What were you doing?

Wild night in Hollywood, my man.

What did you do?

Me and the boys, we went to the Psy Celebrity Center, Scientology Celebrity Center.

Okay, now you're going to be doing that.

All right.

And then we went out for some drinks.

I went and saw Naked Gun.

A lot of fun.

And it was funny.

Very funny.

And then I went and tied one on, baby.

Who are you hanging out with?

Or dude, do you not want to dox everyone?

No, I'll dox everybody.

Who do you want me to dox?

I don't know.

Social security numbers.

Let's go.

I was with

Stavros was with us, and then he took off.

Yeah.

And then Neil, Kalpakis,

Tim Kalpakis.

We had one Greek

representative there,

Geordner, Scott Geirdner, and

Ryan Stanger, Stangerbot.

What a crew.

The boys.

It was a boys' night.

No ladies came.

But none were invited.

Yeah.

We didn't see any.

Yeah, I tied one on.

Wags went a little wild, but it was, but I'm feeling good now.

I'm ready to do the show.

I'm ready to do the show.

You know, the last time I really, because I never do this, the last time I really like,

like, partied slash tied one-on-one so I just went out to a bar for too late past my bedtime was with you

and and Dutton and this was after we saw the uh the thing at the academy that's right yes yeah that and we went to what where was it Molly Malone no we went to Tom Bergens Tom Bergens that's right legendary bar

Maybe that's why you got on the naughty list maybe it was you maybe party a little too hard that night um that was a great night and you don't do that often so I was on that you did it with us us.

Apparently, doing it all the time.

No, this is not normal for me to be hungover on a Tuesday afternoon.

What is your so you're hungover?

You tied one on your parlance.

What do you get up in the next morning?

What are you doing?

Are you someone who is like, I got to get like a bacon, egg, and cheese?

You know, I got to go to Duncan.

What do you do?

No matter what, alarm going off at 7 a.m.

I'm up.

And

I woke up around 10 today.

And then maybe closer to 10.30.

I mean, that's Gatorade.

What do you do?

That's a great question.

I always love Gatorade.

Like, I love Gatorade anyways, but my fierce strawberry Gatorade is a great hangover drink.

It's like little nectar.

And then I do like some sort of greasy

grease work.

I had a cheeseburger today.

I went to, I forget the name of the place.

Okay.

I forget the name of the place.

I was trying to think of it.

I'll think of it eventually.

But I got a cheese.

Wendy's.

Oh, yeah, Wendy's.

The girl mask.

Yeah, it was Wendy's.

Yeah.

I went to like kind of a fancier place.

Okay.

And I met a friend for lunch.

Fun.

And

North Hollywood?

No,

this is around here, honestly.

Hold on a second.

I went to...

This is very interesting.

What are you doing?

Yeah, what are you doing?

I'm looking up.

Are you trying to find it in a text message?

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

I got it here.

Okay, great.

Okay.

No, I don't got it.

I lost it.

Forage.

Oh, I've been to forage.

I went to forage.

Yeah.

Not strictly a burger spot, but you got a burger from.

There was a burger option, so I did it.

Sure.

But I like something.

I need something greasy.

We could ask our guests this, too, even though we haven't introduced them yet.

It's true.

Are you a grease guy when you're hungover?

Yeah, I mean, I think that's the move, right?

Yeah.

I mean, she's pizza classic.

She's definitely to me is like...

Pizza is a hang is I want pizza after I'm hungover.

But I am a burger.

And you were joking, but I am someone who gets up early regardless.

So I usually would get like a McGrittles or something like that.

Yeah, I don't do, I don't, like, a lot of the times I've owned her, I don't do like the breakfast fast food hangover.

Right.

But I wonder, I am wondering about our guests.

Well, Mitch, if you play your drop, we can get right to business here.

Emma, hit him with a drop.

She just texted me bathroom break.

Bathroom break.

Bathroom breakdown.

Tis shit and hungry.

Bathroom breakdown.

Breakdown the episode.

Bathroom breakdown.

I have to go to the bathroom.

Bathroom breakout.

That evening the episode's going so far.

Flush.

Don't be married.

Hello, Wages.

Why did you do this?

For audio listeners, Mitch is wearing a Sherlock hat and using a pipe.

I'm Sharklock Holmes, Wages.

Here's Sharklock Holmes.

Now, you might remember from the last episode, there was a bit of a fish story.

That's right.

Two weeks ago.

from two weeks ago there's a bit of fish fish story in our episode is that fish history

a mystery with fish oh uh yes thank you thank you grant a fish of fish

fish story fishery um my clothes smelled like fish i had a bunch of fish clothes yes

fresh out of the laundry it stunk like fish it stunk like

the fishery has been solved my boy oh yes and what was it what was the solution uh you use this pipe all the time so you're probably pissed that i'm putting it in my mouth yeah it's my character Sherlock Crumbs.

You're intruding upon my IP.

Oh, I'm sorry.

I'm stealing Sherlock Crumbs.

I don't know.

I mean, I feel like Sherlock Crumbs is established in the canon, and now

Sharklock Holmes is pretty good.

It feels like a pretty half-assed.

Thank you, Grant.

Grant pitched the name Sharklock Holmes.

Amelia said I should get it.

The name's good.

Amelia said, I should wear the detective.

I should do the detective thing.

We'll talk afterwards.

I had fish.

Why are you going to see you?

I had to fucking bring it.

Is Lev verse going to go against himself?

He's both of our lawyers.

So

I had some fish clothes.

That's right.

You did a load of laundry.

Everything smelled like fish.

You couldn't figure it out.

You thought maybe there was some cat litter in there.

You weren't quite sure what the cause could have been.

There was a lot of allegations of mildew.

Cat litter got into the washing machine.

This is the truth.

There was cat food.

There was a lot of different ideas of what could have happened.

I think mildew was the prevailing thing.

People very much, they quickly jumped to me being gross in my fucking washing machine having mildew in it.

You said you keep it closed, though.

Yeah, I do keep it closed, but I don't.

I know that that can lead to mildew.

Was it the pipes?

We were wondering if it was a finding Nemo situation where a fish had gone up the pipe.

We had no idea.

But I have figured out the fish story-wise.

I had two fish oil pills in one of my pockets of my shorts.

Oh.

And

everything smells like fish.

So

I'm on the Epstein list and everything smells like fucking fish.

Melt him into your clothes.

That's rough.

How do you undo that?

I don't know.

I bought

some,

I don't know.

Here's the other thing.

Outside today, I look out my window, tons of bears just circling my house.

I don't know what to do.

I've heard white vinegar is the move.

So I'm going to soak a lot of the clothes in white vinegar for like 12 hours

and some baking soda.

Can some of that be a beat?

Can it lead to a volcano?

I was just wondering that.

I do think those were the ingredients that made my volcano in science class a fourth grade go.

Oh, shit.

Just do vinegar for sure.

I would honestly say just do a normal load with the same clothes.

Just wash them and see if that in and of itself doesn't for you any science.

It's just your load.

Like if you put it in the,

I think it's the softener part, or you run the laundry, it'll run it through four.

I've done so many loads.

I'm the load man.

I've done a lot of loads.

Oh, you don't know if that's the nickname you want.

All right.

Load man.

Load man.

No longer.

I've done, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've done many loads in that

washing machine.

And I, it is.

I've washed it.

It's a baby that's half Mitch, half shirt.

I think I'm going to soak.

I think I'm going to do the soak.

I might try that first.

There's one pair of shorts that I think that the pills were in that are really fishy.

And

my pineapple shorts.

Wow.

It's going to be your fishing shorts.

I mean,

I might have to wear them fishing.

Yeah.

Yeah, they had little pineapples on them.

Wow.

So I used them when I was seeing swingers and stuff.

And now I have to, I was going to bring them to Hawaii.

I'm going to go to Hawaii.

Yeah.

And now

I don't know what I'm going to do.

So hopefully it will come out.

That's what I'm hoping.

But Hawaii has fish, so I don't know.

It should be fine.

Fit right in.

They have shorts, too.

It's true.

It really takes two boxes.

Yeah.

And Amelia, what did you say that it was going to

the shape of water?

The shape of water lady is going to love you.

What happened at the end?

She turned into a fish?

I don't remember.

At the end of Shabbos, she jumped into the ocean with the fish and have gills.

The fish man.

That sounds right.

She ran away with him.

Yeah, she ran away with the mundane.

She transforms as well.

I think she has gills.

Oh, she might have gills.

She does have gills, though.

She goes into the ocean, I believe.

But anyways, yeah,

the fish situation, I'm working on it.

But my issue is that I was like, this still smells like fish.

And I put it in with other laundry.

And now stuff I love now smells like fish.

So I'm fucked up so bad.

You'll get it out.

I will come out.

It will come out.

It will come out.

Anyways, credit that dropper?

I will right now, Augs.

I'm doing it.

I got it.

Hey, Doefam.

Breaking away from the usual drops I've sent in that are compilations of y'all saying come or wow on the pod and instead submitting a dumb parody of an anime theme from JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, wise on a

based on the bathroom breakdown segment, alt drop title was Dodo's Piss Czar Come Venture.

I feel you're kind of crowbarring cum in there.

Cheers, Thomas.

Laten Tickles in the Doe scored and previously submitted 500 wows of space.dodecy.

Oh, a classic.

Thank you, Laten Tickles.

That was very good.

They did a good job.

Thanks, Thomas.

Roasted BirdFock.com, drops at birdfuck.com.

Mitch, here on the Dough Boys podcast, Twisted Monthal continues.

Wages, welcome to Twisted Monthal.

I mean, we're going to be in week three.

Yeah.

What welcome to

still,

it's from the show.

We got a couple good ones here today, Wags.

From Twisted Metal Season 2, now streaming on Peacock.

Grant Dukearney and Patty Guggenheim.

Grant, Patty, thanks so much for being here.

Oh, thanks for having us.

Thank you.

This is so cool.

This is a dream.

We're very excited to have you guys.

I know you well from Toronto and from Twisted Metal.

You're so good in the season.

Grant

is one of the head honchos over at the show.

Big boss.

Yes.

Wrote a fantastic season, Wages.

I love it.

Let's talk Toronto because you all spent so much time up there.

I visited Mitch for a little bit.

All of us visited Mitch for a little bit up there and spent about a week recording some episodes.

Howdy, came to the live.

That was so fun.

Were you at the live show as well, Grant, or not?

I was not.

You were not there.

I missed that one.

Yeah, that was great.

I didn't mean as much.

But we did have a good time up there, and thank you for coming.

But like, it's a great food city.

And I'm curious, like i like what any any particularly notable toronto food experiences up there oh yeah there was a great what was the place where they had the noodles that went up really high and then they cut them with scissors oh shit oh i didn't go to that

it was like mia or something fuck i didn't go to this place what the hell i wanted a hand pulled noodle hand-pulled noodles yeah i heard of this and i didn't go they like will stand at the edge of the table and like hold up a noodle that is i don't know 10 feet tall and then they just cut them for you to eat on your plate.

That's cool.

It was cool.

It was a spectacle and cool.

That's awesome.

Can you get a non-cut?

Can you get an uncut noodle?

Just like that?

One long noodle?

I would want one long noodle if they could do it.

You would want to like Lady in the Tramp that with somebody?

Yeah, wherever it ends, who knows where it ends?

Yeah, who knows who has mother inhibits?

Let them go.

There was really good food, though.

They had a great food set.

Oh, and where did we go?

Was that Lee?

Lee is a hot, hot, hot spot.

We talked about Lee a couple weeks ago

with MJ and Stephanie.

And

we had one meal at Lee.

I had a lovely time up there.

Very good.

What I remember.

She dunked all over Lee, remember?

She didn't like it.

She was a bit of a Lee skeptic.

But I had a good time.

Salad was like everything.

Yeah, they had a sla.

Unbelievable.

21 ingredients.

Which is like you go there and you're like, all right, come to the sla.

This is the reason to come to a nice restaurant.

And then the slaw is a showstopper.

It's a money slaw.

It's a fucking Baskin-Robbins sla.

21 different flavors

the sla is good i could eat a meal of just that slaw very good

whole bowl think about that slaw for a long time i did the sla is fantastic yeah by the way a question we should ask you guys patty is a famous drunk on uh uh plays a famous drunk character

Patty plays a famous drunk character.

Yeah.

So we should be asking you guys what your hangover, is Madison, right, correct?

Is the character from She-Hull.

She-Hull.

Who is like a

tipsy gal.

Yeah.

Party gal.

What's your hangover cure?

What's Madison's hangover cure?

Madison's is french fries.

I love it.

In Mayo.

And that's really mine, too.

Yeah.

French fries.

I like, just crave French fries.

French fries and mayo?

Of course, in Mayo, yeah.

So that's yours too.

This isn't a thing you picked up in Canada or anything.

No, I love that.

Oh, damn.

All right.

I don't know where I picked it up, but I love that.

Fries and Mayo, I do, like, I mean,

I'm a big mayo fan, but, like, yeah, especially if it's like, if it's a high-quality mayo, it absolutely works.

It's funny because, like, my introduction to that was the, was pulp fiction, and they talk about how disgusting it is in that opening scene.

Um, and uh, you know, Travolta is like telling Sam Jackson, like, you know, they dip french fries in over in

Holland,

not ketchup, it's, it's mayonnaise.

And he's like, whoa.

Do you think that stopped you from trying it for a long time?

I did, but then when I later had it, I was like, this is fucking spectacular.

Which is confusing because you did just take a spoonful of mayo when you were younger.

You've told us this before.

But the idea, but I had implanted in my head that the combination of fries and mayo was like, you know, like that in and of itself was disgusting.

I understand these things do not necessarily make sense together, but like that, that's how my brain processed it.

But then when I had it, and there's the, I've mentioned it before on the podcast, but there's this restaurant, I believe it's just called Diner in Brooklyn.

And Nellie and I went to it in many years ago and went a number of times.

And it's just like they have like a house mayo they make that you dip the fries in.

And them bad boys are tasty as fuck.

It's really good.

I just watched Pulp Fiction.

I went to the Vista and watched Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs,

a double feature.

Yeah.

You know, he went to the, Tarantino went to the Groundlings to scoop up a bunch of those people.

Oh, really?

For

Pulp Fiction.

That's right, because at the end of the movie,

what's her name?

Who plays It's Pat.

Oh, yeah, Julius Julius Sweeney is at the end of the movie.

Pathy Griffin is in.

Kathy Griffin.

Phil Lamar.

That's right, Phil Lamar.

Karen Mariyama.

Wow.

Phil Lamar gets killed.

Yeah.

I know.

That's so sad.

Is his name?

It begins with an M, and I forget what it is.

Yeah.

Oh, well.

I made a joke.

Hmm.

Yeah, we can hear that stuff.

Name starts with M, gets killed.

Gets killed.

Phil Lamar.

It's Mar.

It's not helpful.

It's not.

it's not it's not it's not marr

during the movie when they showed the gimp um you know how they like open the thing and and the gimp comes out yeah there's a gimp cage that they keep him in i leaned over to stabros and i said that's where we keep wagger at headgum is in a similar thing that's and we laughed at you that's a good bit that's a good one that's good

it's also true or historically true

Phil Lamar played Marvin.

Marvin.

Marvin.

There was a Marvin.

We were so close.

Mar show.

Short for Marvin.

Wow.

They used to call me Messi Marvin back in the day.

Did they really?

Why did they do that?

Because I love those?

Well, I mean, honestly, yes, in a way.

I looked like, there's a character called Messi Marvin, if you want to look him up.

I think it's the Left Life Cereal commercial.

And I looked a lot like Messi Marvin when I was a boy.

And also, I was, people said about me that I like, I'm just, as I'm spitting, I had like a tomato, like a permanent permanent tomato sauce stain around my lip.

I like character people with that.

That was that, well, that was this kind of thing.

Yeah, like, yeah, yeah.

There was always probably sucking on that top lip.

Yes.

Yeah.

Messy Marvin for everybody.

Okay, so let me.

So let me see if I can find a picture of myself as a boy, but I looked a lot like Messi.

So I got called Messy Marvin forever.

You were a toe-headed chap.

A bull cut and glasses?

I 100% did.

Oh, okay.

You were pretty much that blonde.

Yeah.

It's a channel search young boy in my Apple photos.

I was also a blonde boy whose hair darkened.

Either of y'all have any colour.

That's a common thing.

Yeah, it is, right?

I'm always confused by that.

Yeah, I don't get it.

And people, you know, eyes change color.

Yeah.

That's very strange.

I agree.

Mother Nature is a mad scientist.

Boy?

Dirty.

I was a dirty blonde boy.

Okay.

Then it went brown.

Then it went

white.

Quite?

Which, what are you looking at?

I'm a little blonde.

I'm trying to find a picture of me as a blonde.

Childhood.

And I did find one.

Hey, there you go.

And I looked like Messi Marvin.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, very much

dead rain.

I looked a lot like Messi Marvin.

Very similar.

Patty, when did the French fries and mayo thing develop for you?

When did that become your go-to combo?

I'm not sure, but, you know, probably when I studied abroad.

Okay, so you did study abroad.

You need to pick it up.

It probably was abroad.

Okay.

Because it wasn't in Indiana.

Right.

I think I studied in Prague, and they did that for me.

Prague.

Yeah.

Wow.

Yeah.

Any notable Prague food?

Yeah, Shvitzkova.

What is that?

Oh, we should go do an episode.

I would love to.

Can we?

Can we?

Do they have it here?

Go to Prague?

No, we got to go to Prague.

Okay.

I'm out.

They're like dumplings and gravy and then some kind of meat.

And then it's really just like the gravy.

What is it called again?

Shvitschkova.

Shvitschkova.

Schisko.

Svitzkova.

If you couldn't get fish stri, you're not going to be able to get switchkova.

It truly sounded like something you made up on the spot.

I was like, damn, what is it?

It's

sounds like a nation from a Marvel movie.

Svischkova.

Svischkova.

The last.

And then this is the best.

Drunk food.

Shmazni Snir.

Shmazny Sir, which just means fried cheese.

And it's literally

like a huge

hamburger patty size of cheese in a square.

Wow.

Fried.

Is it breaded?

Breaded.

Fried.

And then mayo, and then a bun.

That sounds heavenly.

Yeah, that's amazing.

That's what the streets smell like at night.

Wow.

And you just walk outside of the bar and then you just get schmaz on the street and you just are in heaven.

Wow.

That's wild.

How long were you there?

You were there for a semester?

A semester and then I stayed a little longer and then I went back a few times because I loved it.

Granted, you study abroad?

I did not.

No.

Oh.

You're like me.

You're a lifelong student.

You don't even want to go visit.

I've visited.

No,

like me, you've lived in LA County

basically your whole life.

Basically, yeah.

And

i'm curious as as as someone who also grew up here do you have any favorite local uh local eats oh wow yeah what's your favorite snishkova spot my favorite skishkova spot still did it bad

um

there's a lot of them i like uh

Gilbert's in Santa Monica oh Gilbert's is great for tacos and old school like just uh and for a long time they might still be cash only i think they are just a you know like classic mexican dishes yeah that's probably that's one of my favorite places um

trying to think of places that are more

you can open the chains too because like when i think of southern california food like for me i think of like burgers and i think specifically of of tommy burgers fat burger in and out burger kind of that i like fat burger there's a place though it's one of those you know how there's a bunch of off-brand Tommy burgers diners or burger stands?

They all have like it's like the akin to

a famous Ray's pizza in New York.

It's like they're all these simulacrums of these, you know, places that are called like Tommy's with one M and an I or whatever.

My favorite was for a time there was Thomas because they put the apostasy in the wrong place.

Yeah.

So there's a place on Pico and Sentinella that caught fire, but I think they've since rebuilt that's Big Tommy's.

Oh, Big Tommy's is great.

With one M.

Yeah.

And I love that place.

Nellie and I used to go there all the time.

Yeah, I love it.

Great chili cheese fries.

That's one of my favorite spots, too.

Wow.

What's that one that

has a diner, but then there's also a drive-in?

You know what I'm talking about?

You can get like a turkey burger.

It's like a diner, but there is a drive-in.

Is it a Tommy's?

No, it's not a Tommy's.

There's one right by Paramount.

Oh, do you?

You mean Astro Burger?

Astro?

Astro.

Astro burger is a lot of fun.

Astro is delicious.

There's an Astro right near.

Have we ever done Astro before on the pod?

We have not.

It's a progress.

We can't run Astro.

Yeah, we can do Astro.

Oh, well.

zucchini.

They got the fried zucchini.

That's what I was thinking of.

The fried zucchini.

Really?

A really good ranch.

They have,

in my opinion, the best ranch in town.

Yeah, it's a solid spot.

Yeah.

Diner culture

has gone through a lot.

It's hurting here in LA, I feel.

Sure.

I mean, it's very much so.

Yeah, it's hurting, of course.

Yeah.

But Cafe 101 used to be open 24 hours.

It's a different street now, right?

And it's very good.

It is still very good, but it's like the hours.

I think they're going to start opening later.

Okay, good.

Cafe 101 was like a place that you could go till like you could go at two in the morning.

Yeah,

sure.

Yeah.

I missed that.

You missed that.

What is your because your late night options are so limited now?

Did swingers close?

They're still swingers are still there.

Okay.

There's a couple of them.

I wear my phone.

It's still open late, right?

Yeah,

it's open.

I think it's open pretty late.

Okay.

And canter.

Cantors is.

Canters.

And Cantors, I feel like, has seen better days, but it's going to be sad if they go everywhere.

I know.

Petty, I'm curious, as someone from Indiana, like, I don't know much about Indiana food culture.

Are there any Indiana local chains or any like beloved local cuisines?

Well, I just got to tell you, there's more than corn in Indiana, which is a catchphrase that we have.

Are you even a corn state?

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Okay.

Some people think it's only corn.

No, but there's more.

But there is more.

Am I wrong in thinking Iowa is the corn state?

Or is Indiana also the corn state?

I thought Nebraska.

Nebraska is a corn state.

I think they're all not all.

You're thinking because the corn huskers, probably because of Nebraska.

Oh, sure.

Yeah.

Or do they just husk the corn in Nebraska?

I don't know.

We make it, and then they husk it.

And they husk it.

Got it.

Down south.

Yeah.

Sorry.

Indiana.

There's more than corn in Indiana.

Yeah, there's more than corn, which was, oh, that was the theme song for this place called Indiana Beach, which is also kind of weird because we don't have beaches.

It's landlocked.

There's a theme park called Indiana Beach.

Indiana Beach.

There's more than corn in Indiana.

I don't know.

There were so many confusing things in that.

Do they really say that?

Really?

That was the real song.

I thought you were just making that up.

Indiana Beach.

There's more than corn in Indiana.

Yeah.

So there are beaches, though, so I don't know.

What a shitty ass fucking song.

Was Indiana Beach a beach-themed

theme park?

Yeah, it was like a bird, like a toucan was the thing.

Was there a water park feature?

There might have been a water park.

I can't remember.

It seems necessary.

I can't remember.

But there were some rickety rides, and that was why you went.

That's fun.

Wow.

We had water country.

Water country.

Water country.

Have some fun.

That was, that was, that was the song.

Somebody really got away with some stuff in those theme songs.

Water.

I mean, it was a longer version.

If I was related, I'd probably remember all the words, but I can't remember them off the top of my head.

No corn in sight.

Now, Patty,

a lot of the times when people quote the Raven, they're speaking of Edgar Allan Poe.

But after the season of Twisted Metal comes out, they'll be quoting you, Raven.

I do a lot of that in the show.

Did you like that?

It seems like you did it.

Rich.

Why did you do that?

You really made it a big thing.

So he's like, now.

Also, like, in the middle of her answer about Indiana food.

I know.

So ill-timed.

All right, let's hear more about you.

You switch gears so fast, man.

I was waiting for the nevermore part of the joke.

I meant to do the nevermore thing.

Oh, shoot.

Wait, do you want to try it again?

No.

No, okay.

Well, they're going to quote Edgar Amporn.

Never.

Fuck.

Edgar Ellen Porn.

Anger Ellen Korn?

Is that what I said?

Yeah.

Oh, my God.

Yeah,

what's some local Indiana?

I mean, besides,

do you like a corn on the cob?

I do.

I love corn.

I love corn on the cob.

I love everything corn.

I named my cat corn cob.

That's right.

Chiku.

Do you do the cat count?

You have another cat?

Two cats.

What's he the cat?

JW Stink.

He's from Indiana under a highway.

And my brother rescued him and then brought him to L.A.

And then Corn Cob is new.

JW Stink stink and corn cob.

What a combo.

Yeah, they're cute.

Wow.

You must meet Wally and Irma someday.

Oh, they would.

A cat party.

Yeah, they would probably just hiss at each other for 10 minutes and then it would be over.

Do they get along, the two of them?

They do.

Yeah, they fight, but in a cute way.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, they wrestle.

Wally kind of beats up on Irma, unfortunately.

Wally is the big brother.

I actually don't know if he's older than Irma, but Irma is the little tiny kitty.

She's just little.

She's littler.

Yeah.

And Wally kind of beats her up.

Sometimes she gets mad at it.

But I don't know how friendly they are with other cats because they never ever seen it.

How old are Corn Cobbs?

Corn Cob is so new, so fresh.

Like maybe three, four months.

Oh, wow.

Like she's little.

Wow.

She's very little.

Oh, that's so cute.

And she kind of rides the stink.

Like, she'll like kind of jump on his back, like sh her like arms and legs around him like a saddle.

And she rides him.

That's right.

You say rides the stink?

Yeah.

Fish tree 2.0.

Fish trees continue.

That's my line on Raya.

You want to ride the stink?

So you're rescuing JW stink from, you know, there in Indiana.

What are you going to eat afterwards?

Back to the season back.

This is all we know.

Okay, Steak and Shake.

Yes.

I love Crispy, Krispy.

Have you all had?

Yes.

But it's a very sad.

Wags will explain that.

Steak and Shake, we've had an Odyssey with Steak and Shake over the course of

this podcast.

We have watched it try to expand nationally.

That's what I'm aware of.

And then it has

its CEO Sardar Baglari, who is like

an aspiring sort of Trump figure who put his own name on the signage,

took away everything that was interesting about the chain, changed it from

table service with

these expansive menus.

Because that's a big part of the steak and shake experience, right?

You sit down and you have a big menu, you get spaghetti or whatever the fuck, and he was just like, no, it's just going to be burgers and shakes, and you order it at kiosk.

I haven't eaten him.

He ruined Maxim Magazine as well.

He ruined Maxim Magazine.

Also put his name on the cover of that, which he also owns.

Those are his two big properties.

But he also has become this like fucking rfk you know toady and that's a big part of this it's really a bummer but the the lg steak and shake i know in the midwest like in the corner of our you know like very close to us and it was the crispy crispy little patties yeah really skinny little crispy fries i like crispy yes so like long crispy fries crispy around the edge burger that was just always really good um

but they have good food there.

If you're going and you're going to be a little fancy to Indiana for like an an Indy 500 weekend, which I'm still trying to get everyone to go to.

I know.

I know.

Have you been?

I go every year.

We want to be.

Really?

Yes.

You got to come.

That's such an Indiana thing to do.

I always try to get, but the Southern Californias don't want to leave.

And I'll leave always.

We'll go.

Okay.

But there's a place called St.

Elmo's Steakhouse, and it's like

you get the shrimp cocktail, and it's the fieriest cocktail sauce that like you, you're just like, your eyes, everything's watering.

a lot of horseradish yeah a lot of horseradish but you're having a time of your life sounds delightful do you like when this goes to both of you do you do you like a thing where you're it's so hot that your eyes and nose are i love a wasabi i love a horseradish where i'm like

and like

pickles like i love the things that like make your little jaw like yes when i'm dealing with with something horseradishy you know or like a wasabi like i'm i'm like david letterman watching future islands i'll take all that that you got you know i make It's a great reference.

I feel like I love it.

And Natalie loves it too.

She just like, she has an incredible constitution for it.

Where are you on horseradish?

I like it, but not to the level of YouTube.

Yeah, you want to punish yourself.

I don't need any punishment or any

sweating or

excretions of any sort.

That goes with the wasabi as well.

I use about

a tiny, a pea-sized piece of wasabi for a whole meal.

My issue is, I just don't, I don't, I want, I never like people looking at me anyways, just in general.

So I guess I shouldn't be an actor, but I, but I, but

I like always want to hide my face.

Like, if I'm, if I'm like sweating or like, if there is like, and I sweat enough on my own, so like hot spicy food, I don't want to sweat from, but if I could be masked up while eating the spicy stuff, I'm just like so afraid.

I'm so especially afraid of my nose running, which I think I just have a, my nose, my nose will just run too much if I have spicy food.

and it's like the first thing that goes and I hate it.

You should get one of those hats that has like curtains

that you

haven't you seen those for like airplanes or something?

Like you have a little curtain you can like and then you can open it up when you're ready.

And so just take a bite and then close it for a minute.

It would be good to have for this show when I tell a horrible joke and I can just close the curtain on myself.

There's this movie that came out a couple years ago, The Taste of Things.

Juliet Benoche is in it, and it's a French movie and it's a lot about,

you know, like I believe it's said in the 19th century.

I could have the time frame a little bit wrong, but it's said at some point in the past, the semi-recent past, and

it's so much about like it's it's just a couple who like cooks like they have like a restaurant and there's so much like food preparation and like dining but what one scene they have like this dish that you eat and the way you eat it is you throw like part of the tablecloth over your head for privacy so like it's like like six dudes at the table and they all throw the tablecloth over their head so they can eat like this pheasant.

Um, that's like, I guess, kind of grotesque and

also to shield your shame from God.

Oh, is that what it is?

That's what I thought.

It was like you're hiding from the heavens so you can do this, like, devilish thing.

Yeah, it dead looks like a functionality.

You should eat that for the podcast.

We should, yeah, yeah.

What's the thing you have to hide that you're eating?

It's not like a baby bird,

it's like a whole bird.

You eat it, you eat it bones and all, and all, but I'd never seen it depicted.

It's gross, but it's in a movie that's coming out.

It's a delicacy.

It was came out a couple years ago, it's really good.

Oh, wow, wow.

Taste of bad.

It's a fucked up.

It is a fucked up.

It's one of those fucked up foods for sure.

Right.

Yeah.

Also, you eat the bones?

You're eating bones?

I don't know.

Birds have hollow bones.

I think it was like a baby bird.

They crunch them.

Yeah, they're so underdeveloped.

You can just kind of mash them.

Oh, I don't like that.

I don't like tatte.

I don't like baby birds being eaten.

Yeah.

I don't need to know that the food I'm eating as a baby, I guess.

That's a big veal for me.

Veal,

I don't, usually you won't get veal.

That's the one thing I won't do is.

Is it a boundary for you?

It is.

I mean, like, it's just the fact that it's the baby thing.

I'm like,

the baby thing for crying out loud.

Yeah, because it's like

you're eating a kitten.

Yes.

Yes.

I can't eat that.

Give me the full cat.

I don't need the kitten.

I can't eat the kitten.

Wally and Irma are getting plenty plumpy right now, wives.

Jesus Christ.

Motherfucker.

I don't even joke about

eating your pets.

I would never eat Wally and Irma.

Are you kidding me?

I told you I want to break Alf's neck when we talked about Alf.

He's a piece of shit.

Oh, that's right.

Alf eats fucking cats.

He's a fucking asshole.

I'm not going to eat Wally and Irma.

Okay, good.

I treat them well.

I was messing with Wally last night and giving him kisses on the forehead.

You know what I want to do?

I won't ever do it, but I wish I could lick them clean like they clean themselves.

I've done that.

Have you?

Yeah, no, you haven't.

Just on Sink's head, just on top of his head, because I know that's pretty safe.

All right, I'm going to do that.

You can do it.

Yeah, why haven't you done it?

Yeah.

I just, I thought it was a step too far to be licking my cat.

And I don't know.

I feel like it felt like a it felt like some sort of shame if I did it.

I mean, it sounds like you want to eat him.

I mean, coming from number one on the Epstein list.

Yeah, maybe we're on the Alfstey list.

I don't know.

It would get weird if I'm licking Wally and he gets turned on, and then all of a sudden I'm, you know, sucking him off.

Oh, Jesus.

Nice.

See now?

It was kind of fun.

What?

I'm trying to promote the damn show here.

I can eat my cat, but I can't suck him off.

I've eaten Peacock once.

Sorry, Peacock.

I don't suck my cat off, Peacock.

Relax.

It is interesting when you think about the ethics of it.

A pig would rather be sucked off than killed and eaten for its meat.

But if you sucked off a pig, people would be like, that's fine.

What the fuck?

What the fuck are you doing?

But if you eat bacon, no one's like.

Oh, the pigs also have a bad thing.

No, no, that's not.

You'll be going all around sucking that thing.

Right, yeah.

Yeah.

Don't they?

I guess you probably won't.

I guess that wouldn't happen.

Corkscrew.

Yeah, that's what it is.

Yeah, they got corkscrew.

Yeah, they got corkscrew hogs.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But I don't think that means you have to physically twist your body as you're doing the.

Okay, all right, that's fair.

Yeah.

But I I don't know.

I'm the anatomy of it.

Okay, I'm curious about.

Twisted Metal out July 31st.

Yeah, speaking of Twisted Dicks, Twisted Metal is out July 31st on Peacock.

Speaking of Twisted.

Patty, I'm curious because

I know there's a lot of,

I'm not sure if any of, I haven't seen any of Season Two.

I'm very excited to check it out.

But like,

do you have any driving stunts?

Do you have anything where you're in a car?

Yeah.

And were these sequences where you had like a pod racer on top of you and you were controlling?

That's violent.

He He just found out about pod racer, about pod drivers.

Pod drivers, yeah, yeah.

Oh, he just found out.

Yeah, we told him about it all.

Well, he seems like a pro.

No, he doesn't know shit.

No, my understanding is you get a pod driver who's on top of the car.

They're connected to the, you know, the mechanics, and they're actually controlling it, but you're acting like you're controlling it.

Yeah, he was like a NASCAR guy.

Wow.

Up there.

And it was.

Was that Stanton?

Is that Stanton?

Yeah, Stanton,

his brother is

the second unit director.

What's his name?

David?

Yes, David.

I'm right, right?

No, you're right.

You're okay.

All right.

Sorry.

Oh, yeah.

It was a brother team.

Yes.

But Stanton was like an ASCAR driver.

Yes.

Yeah.

And

he was in my pod as well.

Yeah.

And he goes fucking.

Good driver.

Very fast.

Wow.

Very fast.

Like straight.

zero to, I don't even know how fast into, like, towards a wall.

Then you're like this close to a wall, a foot, and then he turns and you, and you're like, okay.

like it's crazy my whole body was sweating

like every i don't think i've sweat that out of every place oh 100 i was i was very nervous i think i can

i was

i was oh no i i same every part of and i was terrified and then the person i was driving with i won't say who it was was uh i can i can show you even all right i won't say who i was driving with but the person i was driving with loved it yeah like they were they were having a blast oh I was having fun.

I mean, it was.

Yeah, and I wasn't driving with you.

No spoilers.

Or was I?

Raven and Stu.

Who knows?

No one knows.

No one knows.

But it is, it's fucking scary as hell.

Yeah.

But are you just mechanically,

you're on it, someone else is controlling it.

Is the wheel just kind of going on its own?

Or do you have to like, timing-wise, I know that since this turn is going to be happening at this particular moment?

Yeah, you have to time it with their.

You have to do it on your own.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Wow.

Yeah.

I'm so happy you're not my fucking pod driver.

There's no way you would turn at the wall.

We'd be going fucking straight into it.

There are like moments where

I said this before, but there's like a car coming at you.

They were so good at what they were doing.

There's a car coming at you, and then you would turn right out of the way at the last second.

It was, it was

really fascinating.

And then you're seeing everyone else in the area too.

Just, yeah.

Yeah.

Just whitewood.

It was just crazy.

It was a really cool experience.

I love hearing this stuff because I've never worked on anything like, you know, that has a bunch of car stunts or whatever the fuck.

It's just like, it's so hearing the mechanics of it.

And it's also like just hammers home how much of a collaboration every production is, you know.

But Grant, did you get to, like,

in your role, did you get to experience like writing in one of these or just feeling what it was like?

Sure, yeah.

I'm trying to think what I did this season, last season.

A few times, every once in a while,

one of the guys, one of the drivers, if it was between setups or something, they'd throw me in and

drive me around

and scare me.

Yeah.

And then I'd usually get out

and think, I don't want to do that again.

But yeah, it's fun.

And it is impressive.

The pod car,

what's neat is ours, we're on top of the car, but on other productions, they'll hide a guy between the rear left quarter panels.

So he's almost sitting on the ground next to the rear left tire.

How does he see?

He's kind of on a little little cart hanging off the side of the car based on how they want to work the camera around the car.

Yeah, that, yeah, anyway, that's kind of a nerdy fact.

No, that's it.

They'll do that.

And you also don't have to paint out as much of

a guy sitting on top of a car.

But like the level of skill you must have to just be able to do that and then not have a normal point of view, like you're controlling a vehicle.

It's just like, it's really, it's really precious stuff.

I mean, what I think is crazy for these two or for the actors is

I don't know how you

appropriately anticipate and sync the wheel movement

with the car movement because they can't see what that person's doing.

Right.

Yeah.

How did you do it?

I was just, when they were going right, I would just turn my wheel right.

I was just following their lead.

That's what I, that's all, that's all I would do.

I was just following whatever they would do.

And then once we did it once, I kind of knew.

But I'll tell you what was the scariest thing to go fast in

was the ice cream truck.

Right.

And so here's the ice ice cream truck.

Top heavy.

It's top heavy.

There's a big clown head on top of it.

And then the stunt guys always want to go fast, but it was a mail truck.

Why?

Because it was a repurposed mail truck.

It was hell.

It was fucking hot as hell.

It sucked.

There were weapons on the wall.

It was a nightmare.

But

with a mail truck, the driver is on the right side

on the mail truck.

And so Sweet Tooth, they have a fake seat for Sweet Tooth.

And he's driving on it.

And then they paint him out, basically, right?

But there's like a scene where we were just like riding along in the ice cream truck, and it was, it felt like, it, it felt scared, it felt like we could die.

Just for our, because we have a global listenership for our UK listeners,

what Mitch described, the wheel being on the right side, is, is not ordinary for an American vehicle, right?

Okay, that's good.

Yeah, so we just kind of give it-sorry about our European listeners because they might just be like, okay, why do you even say that?

Yeah, that's what it's like.

Yeah,

but it's not the case.

Like, because here it's on the right side, because we, we, we, we, you know, we drive on the right, the mail truck driver, uh, it's easier for him to get get out and make deliveries yes thank you yeah thank you and sorry to the three euros yeah

sorry to our uk listeners that you had to put um hopefully you're you're no longer unmoored uh so what okay you're you're driving christ you're you're

you're offset you're just driving a normal day you're not working

do you like to eat a meal in a car i do

What do you like to eat?

I hate these fucking stock questions.

It's a good question.

It's an on-topic question.

I do like to eat.

I'm going to answer it, Mitch.

It's fine.

Go ahead.

Is that okay?

Yes.

I want to be talking about J.W.

Stink.

I do, too.

Let's hear more about J.W.

Stink.

What does J.W.

Stink like to eat?

He loves food.

Does he really?

He loves my food.

See, my cats don't love my food.

It makes me feel good.

He'll get his little claw and whatever I'm eating, my dish, my bowl, and like take it.

That's cute as hell.

Irma will sometimes try to do that, but neither of them really like human food, and it bothers me.

I want them to.

If I came home and they stole my burger, how cute would that be?

It's really cute.

I'd be very furious, but it would be cute for a second.

Sneak over to your house.

Yeah.

Please,

yeah, they don't.

Mine don't touch any human food.

Irma, like, I ate something.

Funny enough,

when I was at my old place on Palmerston Weigz and I had frozen yogurt.

Irma was dipping her paw in the frozen yogurt, which we'll get into later on today.

But what is, what's what's your go-to food in the car?

Literally anything.

I will, I'm that risky, like, we'll eat soup in car.

While driving.

Wow.

Yeah.

That's why.

I know.

I live on the edge a little too much, I think.

Yeah.

I'll like steer with my little, I mean, I have a Tesla, so if I have to, I don't have self-driving, so I am using my knees.

A soup in both hands, driving with your knees?

I've done it before.

Wow.

I like that you brought up, I have a Tesla.

I was going to try to make it sound a little better and like use

the driving feature, but I don't have it.

I have a Tesla.

I bought it this month,

just to clarify.

Yeah, I can't, like, if it's if it's like, first of all, I don't like to drive, period, but like, if it's two-handed, I'm like, that's too rich for my blood.

I'm not, I'm not going to risk that.

Well, then, what are you going to do?

Like, a burrito or a chicken leg or something?

I'll do a handheld.

But yeah, I'll do like a sandwich.

I'll do like a sandwich, a burger, yeah, a burrito.

Grant, how about you?

Yeah, but I'll leave it to the fast food

items that feel purpose-built to be eaten while driving.

Like, y'all don't like to lit on the end.

I like pulling over and eating in a car.

Yeah, that's what I was going to say.

I do that often.

I'd rather just sit in my parked car or, like, Mitch, like we did when we had our little

road jaunt over overnight from Newark to Boston for our

research tour.

We just stopped at the McDonald's, and we didn't take that long.

We sat for like 10, 15 minutes, but it was just nice to have a little bit of time off the road.

We got into Boston at what, like, 4 a.m.

by the time we landed.

We got McDonald's at like one in the morning.

It was good.

It was a good.

I like doing a little pit stop.

That's for sure.

And then do you put like the ketchups in the little,

like, how do you do the ketchups?

That's a great question.

I usually am in there.

Where do you put the ketchup?

Yeah.

I'm usually having dry guys if I'm driving.

Are you?

Yeah, I'm not dipping them fries.

I will, I'll be on the hotel.

But if you pull over.

If I pull over, I can make a little reservoir and like, you know, like maybe my burger wrapper or whatever.

Burger wrapper, yeah.

Sometimes right on the top there, too,

on the dashboard.

Just the ketchup on dash.

Yeah, yeah you put the you can put the you can put the ketchup up on the dash and the dashboard keeps your food warm it's a good place to store the food yeah it is a hot place up there uh i've just made of leather

if i'm driving i'll just if i'm driving on the highway i i'll sometimes if there's no one if i'm like on a like a desolate deserted highway like a deserted highway or something i'll be using my legs a little bit and then i'll and then i'll open a ketchup pack and i'll usually just spray right onto the bite i want oh that's the way i'll do it because interesting Yeah.

But I mean, I'm not usually, I'm pulling over.

I don't really, I only eat on the way.

I said this on the, when you asked the road food question in the last episode.

Yes.

I said that I get a two weeks ago.

Two weeks ago.

I get it.

I get my meal and then I get a sandwich for the road and I eat that sandwich on the road home and then I eat my meal when I get into the house.

But that's a big boy.

That's a big boy order.

Yeah.

But you said you do a simple, but you don't eat in the car like that.

I try not to.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like, granted, like, I'd rather just like,

unless I'm absolutely in a sprint to get someplace and I try to budget my time where that's rarely happening, I'd rather just sort of pull over and take a moment to myself.

Do you think because you're SoCal boys,

you are

you've budgeted your time in the car better than most?

Interesting.

Wow.

Up.

I like the word SoCal Boys.

I don't like that you like that you're SoCal boys.

I think.

Come on, who's more SoCal than the two of us?

One of you surflated.

Yeah, buddy.

I think that's a really interesting.

I never thought of that.

Yeah, I never thought of it.

You might be right, but I am always

early if not, I'm on time if not early.

Yeah, I feel like it's in your bones.

It is in your bones.

To like have the traffic that you're down to.

I definitely did, I definitely did, you know, not that I'm.

I try to also be very punctual, but

I'm not perfect about it.

But I feel like I did learn pretty young that, yes, you have to budget a lot of extra time to try to get anywhere.

I also like I'm someone who tries to take public transit as much as possible.

And that's another thing where I just like, I give myself more time than I need.

So, yeah, I've just kind of, yeah, maybe that is the case.

Interesting.

I've never interrogated that.

A little insight into

our web warnings.

Are you all right?

I don't know.

It's just a little shook and shakes.

Something seems off.

Got some shook so cowboys over here.

Want to listen to Sublime?

Saw him at Boston Collin with

his son.

His son saying that.

Wow.

Yeah.

And he did a good job.

He did a damn good job.

People say that when he first started, he was a little wonky, but when I listened to him, he was great.

The Sublime's lead singer.

Yeah, the song.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's cool.

Was there like a

thing that you went to like every summer growing up, like a concert?

we had the WBCN

River Rave We had the River Rave for a little while and I think I went to that was my first concert ever, but I went to Dave Matthews every year

That was it It was it was Dave Matthews?

Yes, I still go to Dave Matthews concerts I would go the second I ever could there's well there they I always want to go to the gorge They do like a three-day event like they do three days at the gorge and it's like a big that's the big Dave Matthews that's like the the motherland wait where's it where's the gorge?

It's in up in Seattle.

It's in Washington.

Not Seattle, Washington.

So it's kind of the mecca for DMB heads.

That's the mecca for DMB heads.

Yeah.

Wages was an instrument man.

You were a music man.

Now, what does that mean?

Yeah, what does that mean?

You played your fucking bassoon or whatever the fuck you played, didn't you?

Yeah, I played.

Yeah, I played Woodwins.

Did you grew up in music?

I grew up in music.

Kind of.

No, yeah, I played, but I mean, like, that was like a thing I did as a kid.

Yeah, I played, I played Woodwins.

I played clarinets.

Were you not a concert guy with all the bassoon?

Being a bassoon man?

What do you mean?

Was I not soon?

I too much were you practicing and you couldn't go to the concert that's interesting i was so into learning music that i didn't get to experience music as much i've never really interrogated them oh my god i'm really interrogating you tonight i think that you should go to a therapist or something

no i i i would like to these simple questions are

awakening you what the fuck is happening i did like to go to i no i went to look there was the kind of this uh grant you maybe remember this but there's a heyday of of ska punk that was happening in the 90s and so i ended up going to like ska punk shows as a kid and then yeah i liked metal so i like i saw metallica you know i saw rush who isn't exactly metal but you know metal adjacent um i i go to concerts as a kid i i more just aged out of it it's it's it's not it's not not the thing i didn't do when i was young grant wait you ever a music man

I was a music man.

Wow.

You said this earlier, too.

You grew up in music, right?

I grew up playing drums.

I played in bands from grammar school through college.

That's cool.

I've seen Rush many, many times.

Oh, yeah.

Wow.

R.I.P.

Neil Pert.

I know.

Drummers.

So

that wasn't

a summer event, but I'd see them anytime they came.

And

yeah, I'd go to lots of shows, but I can't remember anything that was specifically in the summer.

Do you have a favorite rush track

or album?

Favorite songs, probably

Natural Science.

Wow, okay.

Or Losing It, maybe.

And

album-wise, that's tough.

I don't know.

I need to think about it.

I mean, moving pictures is the easy answer.

Yeah.

Or 2112.

Yeah.

Sometimes the easy answer is the correct one.

Yeah.

Woodwinds.

That's right.

Drum.

Violin.

Wait, really?

You played violin?

Strings.

Wow.

Focals.

To what age did you play violin?

Second grade, I picked it up because there was a woman who came to our class and she could hold it under her chin.

And I thought that was awesome.

That's cool.

So I started listening to

play.

I wanted to play violin because of Dave Matthews' band.

Well, yeah.

Yeah.

It's pretty rad.

Violinist.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, he did.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We'll talk about it after.

Yeah, we'll talk about it after it.

But yeah, second grade, and then I played through high school, like senior year of high school.

Right.

So if you got a violin, oh, you could, you could.

And I had started taking lessons again.

Oh, you have?

That's fantastic.

Yeah.

Oh, that's awesome.

I started taking in the past year piano lessons or something I always wanted to do, and I really enjoyed it.

That's cool.

It's nice.

It's nice to have an adult.

I love that.

Can you play?

I've been taking guitar lessons.

Is this really?

Yeah.

Wow.

Yeah.

And

I haven't done shit.

We're all enriching ourselves.

What are you doing?

I should be enriching myself too.

I'm not doing anything.

I'm fucking suck.

What kind of, when you, when you're playing, when you're playing drums in bands as a kid, like, what kind of music were you operating in?

Oh,

the band, I was in a band in high school for a couple of years, and it was,

it would be called a jam band now, but that was before

jam band.

And we played a lot of reggae, as it were.

Wow.

And

so, like, rock, blues, reggae, jam band stuff.

And then I was in

a metal band.

Hell yeah.

Yeah.

And then I was in just kind of like a straight-ahead rock band.

Did you have a favorite drum and a favorite symbol?

Like, Jesus.

Like a brand or

type of drum.

Bride symbol, high-hat, yeah.

Oh, sure.

Oh, sure.

Yeah.

No, I had my preferred

brand and size.

Did you name your favorite symbol?

No, but you know, it's like, oh, that's a 16-inch AA, you know, fast crash or whatever.

They all have dumb names.

Yeah, you have favorites.

Yeah.

I guess.

Oh, yeah.

You know, I mean, it is an insane question.

It's an insane question that the man asked you.

I like

a straight-ahead answer, but I like a snare drum.

How fun is that?

Yeah, snare drums are great.

I had a bunch of those.

And

again, I think you should go to therapy for other reasons.

Certain ones were cool for certain things.

You ever do the thing where you do a drum fill and you get the toms, you're like, digga, digga, digga, digga, diggig, digga, dung.

I feel like that's a basic drum thing.

Yeah, but it's pretty good.

I feel like that's like when you first learn how to draw.

It's like month two.

All right.

I have a question for you.

Can you play?

Can you do that song?

Probably.

I've never tried it.

I did learn Dave Matthews.

Which song?

Ants Marching.

You should.

We got a Voyd replacement right here.

That's Ants Marching.

Yeah, yeah.

I can play saxophone.

We got a Leroy Moore fill in here.

I cannot pull off most of what that drummer does.

Carter Beaufort is fucking bad on the drums.

And I got Vogue.

I'll sing with Dave or something.

I can do a duet with him.

Oh, Dave's in the band now, too.

Cool.

Yeah.

It gives us a legitimacy.

Grant also worked.

You worked on Eastbound and Down.

Wow.

Correct.

Yes.

All right.

Yeah.

And you also, you roommated, you were, can I say this?

You were roommates with.

Danny McBride at one point, right?

Yes, I was.

Wild.

How was the food situation in that home for you guys was there oh uh

we were pretty young and no one uh

had a very good job so

we lived in we lived in uh west hollywood

and so uh like fairfax and santa monica basically so most of the food any of us would eat would be whatever was kind of around the neighborhood and cheap um

There was this place, Los Tacos.

It's like a taco place off Santa Monica and Fairfax next to 7-Eleven.

We'd go to a lot.

Then there was Canner sometimes, or is Damiano's Pizza still there?

They were open till I think Damiano's is four in the morning.

Yeah, yeah.

And now there is

John and Vinny's.

Well,

it's right near where John and Vinny's was, but they have, what's the Prime Pizza is right there now?

Oh, which is great.

Yeah, that area has gentrified a little bit more.

But I also like, I'm trying to remember if Los Tacos is still open.

That's what's furrowing my brow.

The silent movie theater right there was i haven't been yeah i haven't seen i although you know what i lived next to okie dog for probably eight years and i never it's always weirded me out no it is strange i never went

on fairfax yeah oh i always see characters outside yeah there always are and okie dog is a distinct like thing where it's like two hot dogs and chili and some other inside of tortilla it's like it's not i didn't even know that when you when you see when you say you see characters out there we're in hollywood so you're talking like bart simpson spider-man okay all right those are all animated characters yeah all right standing on the street

like they could be non-animated characters too characters who um like yeah they wear like short short shorts yes yes yes i mean hollywood you're gonna see a lot of female shirt yes exactly yeah like comparison short shorts a lot of that's going away which makes me sad too and even can't like i was saying earlier canter kohl's is closing wise we we already we already are

what am I going to do with all this cash?

Some context for our non-LA listeners.

There are two restaurants in Los Angeles that are the purported inventors of the French dip.

It's one of those food disputes that's unsettled.

The one with a stronger case, Philippe's, is still going strong.

The other one, which has a case and is also like a great spot and has like speakeasy vibes.

And they have the great French dip sandwich is over 100 years old.

Coles, C-O-L-E.

C-O-L-E.

Yes.

And that's it.

K-O-H-L is not closing.

Sorry.

Yeah.

Cole's is

cool.

But

I mean, I'm more sad about Kohl's.

Cole's closing.

I was too sad about that.

That was a cool spot.

I think Kohl's is the superior sandwich, but that's I kind of like Kohl's more than a.

I'm with you.

I like Kohl's more.

I almost swear.

I thought you had more fun at the Kohl's.

You almost died there?

What happened?

I put too much horseradish on my sandwich.

I almost choked to death.

This is the truth.

We were talking horseradish earlier.

I didn't bring it up.

It didn't.

Wow.

I put too much on that.

I was like, it was with the Quincy guys, and I just started choking.

I was like, oh my God, I think I might die.

I think I might die here, you know, but surrounded by my Quincy friends, which is a lovely way to go.

I guess choking to death is.

And the horseradish, you think?

The horseradish was so.

It was,

I just, like, I ate so much of it and it was just like wrapped around a pound of meat.

It was, well, you know, there was probably a pound of meat also in there, too, is another issue.

But I, I was, I was, I, I, it was, it was, it was one of those scary moments for sure.

Wow.

And I haven't had a lot of those, but you got this place shut down, didn't you, you son of a bitch.

Don't try to fucking choke me.

Are you here?

Are you listening?

Every Los Angeles restaurant, you try to show me shutting down.

It's a bummer.

It feels like they're,

I mean, it's happening fucking everywhere, but it's like it's a thing we've talked about in the podcast.

It feels like a lot of these LA institutions are shuttering.

I'm excited to see the new condos that go in.

So you would do nearby places.

I figured Danny's a big eater, too, that the two of you guys would.

Yeah, and just whatever you could,

you know, afford fast pizza.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's not like we were going out to cool restaurants or anything like that.

I feel like you'd open your fridge and it would be like mustard and a Bud Light.

Yeah.

Don't drink the wrong one.

Yeah,

something like that.

Yeah.

And did you shoot in North?

Was it North Carolina or South Carolina?

Eastbound and Down?

Yeah.

That That was in Wilmington, North Carolina.

North Carolina.

Okay.

Yeah.

And

our good friend Harris Whittles wrote an episode of that.

Brest and December.

Yeah.

Awesome.

A very funny episode.

Grant, did you play Twisted Metal

as a young man?

I did.

I actually remember when PlayStation,

the first one, came out.

And

were you a PS1 guy?

I got it.

Yeah.

I remember getting it.

And that was,

I don't know if it just happened to be at the store, but I remember when I bought it, it was like, oh, this is the game.

And I bought one other that I forget.

I'm not a huge gamer, but at the time,

PS1's marketing was so good, it made you think.

You're like, wait, it's a CD?

What's happening?

Yeah.

So I got it and got Twisted Metal.

And that's kind of what we'd play.

And then eventually I played more sports games and stuff, but I played the first one a lot.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Patty, how about you?

Did you play Superman at all?

I did.

I played, I always was Sweet Tooth.

Oh, okay, yeah.

But I didn't get far.

It was kind of hard for me to get a game.

It's a hard game.

Yeah, it's hard.

And I don't want to be mean about the game, but if you try to replay the game, it kind of sucks.

It's not, should I not say that about our game?

Yeah, you probably shouldn't say that, bitch.

What are you doing?

The game kind of sucks now.

Sandbagging games suck.

Sandbagging your own IP.

The IP is great.

The character of Stew is fantastic.

I get what you're saying, which is

so hard to

make our mind start to get it.

It's of its time.

What I loved was the story.

My stink?

No, no, no, no.

I was like, game is stinky.

The game is stinky.

The characters were always what I was into.

Like, who was driving the cars?

So, I mean, I was more into that part.

So that's why the show is so fun because it's like we get to know the characters.

Yes, that was very fun.

It was fun watching.

I was watching clips of it.

It's a great game.

It's a great game.

It's a great game.

It was very much like the first of its kind.

It was like made a whole genre of it would be awesome to see an updated

fully modern version with everything they have now.

Video games kind of suck.

That's what happens.

Banjo-Kazooie wouldn't be fun to play now for me.

I would think it fucking sucks.

Would Banjo-Kazooie be fun to play in 2025?

And it was a great game.

It might be.

It was true of the last, I mean, I did replay Mario 64 fairly recently with the past couple of years.

And there are some aspects of it.

It's like, this control is a little bit clunkier than I remember.

It sucks.

They quite forget.

Well, come on, man.

What do you think?

I have been playing 100%.

Do you like cup and ball, you fucking asshole?

I love cup and ball.

Cup and ball.

But here's the thing, Mitch.

Like, that early 3D era,

just to follow

what you're saying.

That early 3D era of gaming, like the

mid-90s into the early 2000s, yes, they were figuring a lot of stuff out mechanically, and some of those games feel pretty inelegant by today's standards.

But if you go back a little bit further, as you know, Mitch, some of those games that came from the 16-bit era when they'd really figured out 2D gaming, are very playable in a modern sense.

You play a game like

A Link to the Past or Super Mario World,

those games, or Sonic the Hedgehog 2, those games feel very elegant and very modern.

Yeah, some of them feel.

I like Crash Bandicoot 2.

Oh, wow.

And I have that on my Twitch now, Switch.

Oh, Switch.

Yes, they didn't.

You don't Twitch.

You switch.

I have a Switch, and I do the crash.

It's kind of hard.

I think I find a

theme.

I think games are hard.

Games are hard.

Well, I think they don't.

That's why, like, if you get good at it, you feel so good.

Maybe that's why people love to be gamers.

He's a big, Gwag's a big gamer.

So when you're good at it, it feels great.

It does.

I will say this.

Let's tie it back to something we were saying earlier.

I'm learning piano as an adult.

You're learning guitar.

You're relearning violin, Mitch.

Vocals.

Yeah.

When I'm struggling to learn a piece, I think of my time playing Sekiro Shadows Die twice and how many times it took me losing to Ishin Swords Saint before I finally beat him, perhaps the most infamous, notoriously difficult final boss in all of video gaming, and the sense of triumph I felt when I finally defeated his third form.

And I think about that, and I'm like, if I can do that, I can learn the Cantina band theme from Star Wars on piano.

And I'm able to apply that sort of sense of dedication, that sense of perseverance.

So, so yes, I think that there is a tremendous sense of accomplishment that comes from video gaming.

Yeah.

Yeah.

This may, this may seem harsh, but I think you should be euthanized.

Emma, you put a lot of time into Breath of the Wild, I know.

You have a few games that you play the shit out of.

You're playing Stardew Valley now, but you know the phenomenon of like you get, you get really into a game, you really get deep into it, and you start to, you do start to feel some sort of thing.

It becomes like a weird obsession

where you're like so proud of yourself for like growing a good pumpkin.

You're like, oh, cool, I did it.

Or like the boss fights is a big one.

I feel like there's a lot of times where I try to beat something and I can't, like, I just keep losing.

And so I just walk away from it for a few hours, and then I come back, and then you crush it.

And you're like, yeah, that is so satisfying.

That is another thing because, like, you're, your, your subconscious works on tasks when you're not doing them.

It's the same thing.

You'll probably, as a writer, have experienced the moment of having a breakthrough when you're just like on a walk, you're not even thinking about it.

And it's just like, oh, wow, I figured it out.

Yeah.

I'm not trying to insult the game Twist.

I just got to go back on this here for a second.

Twisted Metal and Twisted Metal 2, they're good games.

Yeah.

Time-what Twisted Metal Black.

Twisted Metal Black is

a better game.

These are great games.

And the ones that are more recent are much easier to play.

You don't want to play Jax.

Jax was a great game.

I love Cup and Ball.

I love Jax.

You love Cup and Ball.

You love Jax.

Pick up sticks?

I mean, leave me alone.

I got to pick up these sticks.

Have you ever actually tried to play Jax?

It's kind of hard.

It is hard.

It is hard.

Just like video games.

That's what I'm saying.

They don't suck.

They're just very hard to play.

Speaking of hard games, did anyone ever play Mist?

Yeah.

Yes.

Mist is a bit inscrutable.

Myst is, if you liked Myst, there's a game called Blue Prince that I'm kind of

dabbling on.

Well, here's the thing.

I played too much Blue Prince, and I got, I no longer like Blue Prints.

But there are some people who really like Blue Prints.

It's a similar sort of experience for me.

I loved Myst, but I did not know what I didn't know what was happening ever.

Myst is extremely confusing.

And I didn't, as a kid, there was no description, no, nothing.

Intentionally opaque.

You had to keep a journal, which I didn't.

Did you play Myst?

No.

Okay, we got to get it.

I literally turned it on and started, and this isn't for me.

Yeah, I got lost in that Mist, and I loved it.

I played the sequel Riven,

which was also very hard.

And I was just like, you had to figure out clues and then write stuff down, but I would just click around enough that I would, like, figure stuff out.

And I never really got the hang of it.

It looked beautiful, though.

Yeah, I missed a beautiful world.

Riven, beautiful worlds.

Yeah, go on.

Well, Homer also kind of, they, like, they, they kind of did a missed thing when Homer goes 3D in the, in the Treehouse of Horrors episode.

Yeah, it's somewhat missed-like.

I mean, it's, it's, you know, kind of evoking Tron as well.

I just, I had an incident, Mitch, where I was trying to pick up Riven

at the GameStop at the mall.

Actually, I bought Piven,

the Jeremy Piven sim.

Oh my God.

That's my favorite joke you've told all day.

I'm wondering what the levels are on that game.

Yeah.

I got an audition for Entourage.

Yeah.

I was texting Amelia because I didn't want to say it, but something fell out of my ear.

And I just said,

right now?

Something fell out of my ear, and I just want to make make sure that it's not caught on camera.

Right now,

right now.

In a second?

It was fine.

It was like, I thought there was a hair or something in my ear.

Just a huge chunk of wax.

I hope it was not a chunk of wax.

I didn't know what it was, and I went like that.

And I was afraid of that.

I just was trying to mark the time.

I was trying to do it non-discreetly, but then you were talking to me, and then you told this fucking pivon joke, and I felt like everyone saw me texting, and I had to tell.

It's fine.

It might have been a fish oil.

I never clicked it.

Wait, you referenced growing pumpkins.

Are you romancing anyone in Sardew Valley?

No, but I not yet.

Well, I just romancing anyone.

Romance is a key element of this.

I romance people.

I keep talking to just like everyone and giving them things and hoping that they like the gifts that I give them.

Yeah, sure.

I did make it through one whole year and I just had the spring dance and Sam agreed to dance with me and I didn't have to watch everybody dance like a loner in the corner.

So I feel like I'm making progress.

Sam's kind of a bad boy in my memory.

He like plays video games a lot next to the river and he gives me like stoner skateboard vibes.

That's the vibe I get from him.

Yeah, he's cool.

Yeah.

Wait, this is

sounding hot.

It's like so cute.

I'm confused.

It's like Animal Crossing with dating.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Wow.

And though you're not dating animals, you're dating people.

But they're not real people.

They're my

NPCs.

Okay, they're NPCs.

Okay.

You like a little farm, you're growing crops and raising animals and dating people.

It's cute.

It's very, it's very peaceful.

Little house on the prairie or or something.

It's like a very no-stress game.

You're just kind of walking around watering your crops, checking out the town.

Excuse me.

Very cute.

That's very cute.

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We should talk about.

I want to begin here.

First off, we're talking ice cream all month.

Where is ice cream in your dessert a hierarchy?

And yes, I've got a question.

Are you a sweet tooth?

Are you a sweet tooth?

Secondly,

how do you feel about frozen yogurt specifically?

Because, you know, Froyo versus ice cream, the eternal struggle, like where, in which camp do you lie for eternal struggle?

For me, I'm always going to be like, frozen yogurt is the second choice.

I love ice cream.

But I don't know.

Froyo has its place.

Yeah.

Fro-Yo is a fun name.

I give it that.

Yeah.

Frogert, also fun to say.

Frogurt is fun to say.

But it's never beaten ice cream.

It's like it's the little indulgence when you're still trying to be kind of good.

I mean, like, I think that if you honestly, I'll say this: if I want to go like fruity toppings, I like having a Froyo and that's a tart base.

It's more of what you're in the mood for, Wages.

Yeah, I think they sold it to college girls as like the low-calorie, no-sugar.

It was full of horrible things.

We were like, this doesn't have calories.

So they would like sell it to us, you know, on the campuses.

Yeah.

And they were.

Yeah.

And they were lying.

But now it is.

I would always go ice cream over Froyo.

But like when you think, oh, I should be having low-fat

something.

Yeah.

Oh, I guess I would.

Well, yeah, that's what it was.

It was the low-fat thing.

They do it with muffins.

They did it with everything kind of sweet.

Yeah.

Not to

genderize it here, but ladies love the Froyo.

I think that's the truth.

I think we're being sold

a whole bunch of lies.

I just like how they pitch this low-fat, but then they let you fill your own cup.

So it's like low fat, but as much as you want.

Yeah, but probably collecting

the CSS.

Throw a bunch of MMs on top of it.

You have a little stuff in there.

Yeah.

It's just like full chemical.

Right.

Yes.

But the boys, give us the cream.

The girls, you can't do that.

You give the cream.

You're on the same side.

All right.

Yeah.

No, I'm on the same side.

I'm just telling you what I've been through.

Yeah, I'm the full creamer.

Yeah.

Yeah, me too.

Full creamer over here as well.

Full cream, loads.

What other nicknames do you get?

But I do, but

a nice frozen yogurt has its place.

Yes.

I'll say this.

I wasn't expecting much and I had a good time today.

Yeah,

I will say the same very generally.

But talking about ice cream, like for me, it's my favorite dessert.

So like I'm in Hog Heaven just having all these frozen sweet treats.

Like the grant is ice cream, like, where does that rank?

Would you take a cookie over it, a brownie?

What's your number one?

Yeah, I think my top

cookies are probably top

for me.

A cookie or a

pie.

Oh, pie is a good answer.

A chocolate chip.

Okay.

Wow.

Crispy or soft?

Great question.

It really depends, but I usually lean soft.

Sure.

Soft as well.

I don't like that.

The top of the mountain for me is probably like a banana cream pie.

Oh, my God.

Ooh, that's a good choice.

That's the top dessert.

Fuck, banana cream pie is so fucking easy.

But ice creams in the upper echelon, it's top.

After those, it's probably ice cream.

Patties, you seem to be a crispy food person in every regard.

You just didn't like and food.

Dessert and food, because you like the crispy burger patties, the crispy fruit patients.

I like a thin crisp cookie.

Interesting.

And then if I was going top dessert, it would probably be like a creme brulee with a cool crisp

top.

Yeah.

Do you hate the goo underneath?

Do you want just that sheet of crisp?

It's a good good combo.

Okay.

I think it's a good combo.

Textural contrast is delighted.

Yeah.

God.

Yeah.

I like a nice softie, though, sometimes.

I like a lava cake.

I think I lean more soft desserts than crisp desserts.

I like a soft.

Soft and goo.

Soft and goo.

I like a soft goo.

That is the truth.

A soft, gooey dessert is up my alley.

You know what I like?

I think I just like different textures.

I think I like, because you saw the banana cream, you said banana cream pie, and I just lit up because like banana cream pie is so good, but like you know, you're getting some fluffiness, you know, but you're getting some creaminess, but then you're also getting like the, you know, the chunk of the crust.

You're kind of getting all those different things, and you get that perfect bite that's kind of bananas might be in there, too.

Exactly, yeah, you get a little bit of everything, so fun.

I worked at two candy shops.

Wow, actually, one was candy, and one was desserts.

Those were my high school dreams: sweet things,

and I did get fired for stealing

you stole.

Did you steal?

They would steal like full gift baskets.

Oh, my God, Patty.

I know.

You deserve to be in the world of twisted metal.

You're as twisted as everyone else in the show.

I'm evil.

You stole gift baskets.

I know.

I got fired.

But I had a dream about it the other night, and I think that the gods have forgiven me because I had a great time there the other night.

My dream.

Oh, right.

Did you really?

Yeah.

Like, oh, I can't say this story, but basically we would eat a lot of the candy.

That's fine.

You can say the story.

Sweet Things isn't going to pull anything on you now, I don't think.

Or maybe they will.

I can't tell their story.

I'll tell you after.

But the second place was an ice cream, it was a dessert

restaurant where you would go like after dinner

with a date

and

get like an ice cream sundae with your date.

What was that called?

That was De Brand Fine Chocolates.

Oh, wow.

Okay.

It was their last name was Brand, but they wanted to make it French, so it was like De Brand.

Oh.

And we had to wear berets.

And

is that true?

Yeah.

And I ate so much of that.

I stole so much candy.

But I quit before I got fired.

Wow.

Did you steal anything from Twisted Metal set in season two?

Who me?

Yeah, yeah.

Or have you?

All right, things would be that day.

Those days over.

I didn't.

I wanted some shoes, but I think they're all packed up.

Oh, shit.

Pinkberry was founded in 2005 in West Hollywood by Shelly Wong and Young Lee.

Huge lines and buzz in its heyday.

Grant, you may have lived not too far from it.

I'm not sure if you live in the same timeframe, but like, does anyone remember when Pinkberry was?

I vividly remember

Pinkberry craze here in college.

It's kind of wild.

Yeah.

I remember I didn't know what it was.

I'd hear that word.

Yes.

Not knowing what it was and not understanding.

And then I think I found out a month later it's frozen yogurt.

And then I was like, oh, okay.

And then someone said it was tart.

None of it really made sense.

Yeah.

But it was, it did feel very, um,

I don't know.

It was a huge deal.

Everyone was going.

It felt very fancy when it first feels kind of fancy.

When it first opened, I specifically was like, I look too much like shit to go into Pinkberry's kind of how I felt.

Yeah, you'd be looking at cool people like waiting in a two-hour line.

Yeah.

And

it looked like an Apple store before Apple stores exist.

And you had that sort of sort of presentation.

And so, yes, there was like a veneer of like,

you know, respectability to the whole enterprise.

And

it was just, but, but looking back, as this thing is now just like in mall food courts and it feels like just like the same, on the exact same level as like a yogurt land or a Menshe's or whatever the fuck, it like, it, it's, it just feels so asynchronous.

There was a, that one point, like, celebrities were like going to Pinkberry.

I felt like Paris Hilton was going to be so weird.

I think I have such a relationship with it because I think it was right when I moved to LA.

Okay, okay.

Like I arrived and Pinkberry arrived around the same time.

You guys came at the same time.

And so, and from Indiana, we didn't have anything like that.

Sure.

So I was very intrigued and excited about this craze.

What year did you move to Los Angeles?

2005.

Wow.

2005?

That's when I did my internship.

I moved here in 2005 as well.

Really?

Oh, wow.

I didn't officially move, but I was here for my internship.

Oh, cool.

But that's like.

What do you steal from there?

From the internship?

My innocence was stolen.

That was going on.

There are over 250 locations worldwide of Pink Berry.

Also, the very dark thing I mentioned in the intro, but co-founder Young Lee was convicted of assaulting an unhoused man with a tire iron in 2014 and sentenced to seven years in prison without parole.

So, So, like, you know, Mitch,

the CEOs, the founders of these places are all people like Papa John Schnodder, Carl Karcher

of Carls Jr.,

you know, who funded so many like anti-abortion and anti-gay causes with his fortune.

They're true goblins, but this guy,

Tiffil A guy with the Kathy family, yeah, Big Larry from Steak and Shake, who we mentioned this very episode, they're all pieces of shit, but this guy's not fair to goblins, honestly.

Goblins aren't that bad.

They're way worse than goblins.

We last reviewed Pinkberry back in 2016.

It's been a while since we revisited it.

We all gave it three forks, and we're in the hand-holding club.

Here's what I will say about Pinkberry.

My two big

question marks I had from this experience were.

I'm going to say, if you have a tire iron, don't beat someone with it.

Any of our listeners,

don't beat someone with a weapon.

It's not what it's for.

It's not what it's for.

It's for changing tires.

You just made a difference telling the listeners not.

Thank you.

I agree.

If you're in maybe a life or death scenario though like if it's like you feel like the apocalyptic sort of thing and you kind of have to do it to survive to protect your family that's one thing all right that's fair also if someone like really pisses you off someone really makes you mad

who's just kind of like looking at you like

the look of them yeah yeah you can do it that's okay but uh but you know just only in those specific circumstances the the two question marks i had were they they put smoothies out there like they're in their like uh they're advertising them on their website but i did not find a location that actually had smoothies it doesn't seem like you can actually get them and the other thing is the when they launched they had two flavors they had original uh which is kind of their general sort of tart flavor uh tart yogurt flavor and then green tea green tea seems to have been excised from their menu and that's such a thing i think of as being associated with pinkberry and i'm not sure why they did that especially because it feels like matcha green tea is like a flavor that's in the same mascot have a little green head at one point or yeah put the green yeah put but bring the green back what's going on there was a little wasn't there a little pink there was like a little squirrel yeah yeah i feel like that was part of the brand identity too i because i remember people being like oh it's from korea or it's a like it was this special delicacy that seemed like it was very popular in other parts of the world and then the green tea kind of like fed into that yes but yeah to drop that flavor

i think i remember

seeing it slip in I think I remember the day I went to Pink Berry and I saw the guy pouring the like stuff into the machine.

Oh, like the syrup?

Like the bag of like

the fake stuff that was going to be in the thing.

And I think I was like, oh.

Yeah.

Oh.

Ruined the fantasy for me.

I'm thinking Menshe's.

I'm thinking of the Menshe's mascot.

Yep.

Maybe there was just a berry on pink berry.

That's like a little

berry sitting on top.

Did it have a hat?

There is no, there's no hat.

It might just be the green stem of the berry.

That is, Grant's got it correct.

That's that on the little end there, that little berry.

There's no mascot.

Okay.

They were like, the the stores were glittery, weren't they?

Yeah.

Weren't they like shiny?

They were shiny, but very kind of

there was, yeah, very clean.

It always felt very clean and almost kind of clinical.

And I also remember like, you know, back then, and they'll still do this to some extent, but it's just like, you know, you're getting your yogurt with blackberries on it.

They're like basically taking tongs and like picking individual blackberries and placing them, you know, in a very aesthetically pleasing way.

So it's like, yeah,

it had this feeling of everything being kind of, of,

you know,

curated and handcrafted as much as yogurt could be.

And that's all kind of gone away just in the sake of making it more efficient.

So I went on my own because I wasn't sure if I'd be able to make it in time for the meal.

Thankfully, I was able to join with everyone's bites today, but I did go in advance.

I went and got strawberry shortcake in person at the Fox Hills Mall.

And

with strawberries, double blackberries.

This is a double cream month for you because you have been afraid to miss every meal, but you've gotten all of them.

So you've been double dipping in the the cream.

Hey, you know, it's not the worst thing in the world.

I get to have a little extra cream.

But

I want on my own just in case.

I get the strawberry shortcake, strawberries, blackberries, cheesecake, bites, and coconut flakes.

And today, I got the pomegranate with mango, kiwi, cap and crunch, and fruity pebbles.

I have everyone else's orders here, but like, do we want to just talk through what we got?

Mitch, you got yourself an original tart.

I got myself an original tart.

Yeah.

It was, I got cap and crunch on there.

I got strawberry popping boba, which everyone seemed to be very interested in when I showed them.

Like salmon fish.

It looks like you guys thought it was row for a long time.

And I said, it's actually strawberry popping boba.

And then your tunes changed pretty quick.

Then it became, ooh,

can we try some?

And I said, yeah, you can try some.

You remember all this?

And so I let you guys try some of my boba.

And I like the popping boba.

I think it's nice little.

Like, I don't want gummy worms necessarily.

I love gummy worms, but I don't want gummy worms necessarily.

I don't want that in my yogurt.

And also, they get hard.

They turn, the gummy worms turn into little hard worms.

You know what I mean?

And don't you love that fake dirt dessert?

I do like, I do.

Well, that's the dirt cup's own thing.

That is

that's not cold.

Yeah, okay.

Yeah.

No, no, dirt cup is dirt cup cold.

I thought dirt cup is cold.

It can be cold, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, isn't it?

What is it?

What the fuck is in a dirt cup?

I don't know what you're talking about.

Oh, it is pudding.

It's like chocolate pudding.

Oh, like the savage KFC.

Oh, I'm thinking of the old parfaits from KFC.

Sorry.

No, no, I mean, probably very simple.

Tangent.

Sorry.

And it's like cookies and cream and like a, and uh, and chocolate pudding.

But I let everyone have some of my starry pop and boba.

And I had strawberries and blueberries in there, too.

And I've got to tell you, it was quite the mix with the original tart, medium-sized.

I enjoyed it.

Did you?

You had a bite of mine, right?

I did.

I liked it.

I really did like your combo.

I think the Captain Crunch is maybe my favorite.

The Captain Crunch works really well on frozen yogurt.

And I feel like that's like, it's at every frozen yogurt chain now, right?

Like, isn't it?

Or I think it's, it's kind of become a staple.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Uh, Patty, so you, we had some issues with your order because one of the toppings you wanted was not available, but you got a pomegranate yogurt with honey granola and a chocolate hazelnut, which just, I think, just came bare bones, right?

Well,

the menu is extensive on the website.

Yes.

And so I was going to get crazy with it.

Right.

And so I ordered a latte flavor, which they promised me on the site.

And then

what was the other one?

Ube honey.

Ube honey.

Ube.

Yeah, it sounds fun.

Let's wanna try that.

Let's say the online menu is a lot like Twisted Metal on PS1.

Looks like shit.

It's hard to navigate.

I think more the

hard to get to the next level.

The online menu is more like the old school steak and shake menu.

Right, Right, right, right.

It's presenting options that are no longer available.

And so you're looking at the online menu, your appetite is getting wet.

It's like, oh, I get to try all these things.

Oh, my mouth is watering ordering these things.

And then you try to actually go in store, and there's so much variation between individual franchises in terms of what they're offering.

So I did have pomegranate flavor, which was really good.

I did like the pomegranate clothes.

I did too.

I think that was my favorite.

Yeah, it was real good.

And then chocolate hazelnut.

My favorite topping is the little

crunch.

Chocolate.

Chocolate.

Milk chocolate crunch.

Baby ball.

And that's what you had on yours, Amelia, and you kindly offered up some.

You offered some topping.

Patty wanted that on her.

You wanted it on yours, right?

Or no?

I did, but I think that was for my old order that just.

Got it, got it, got it.

You know, we all got.

But the

pomegranate was really, really, really good.

Yeah, I was good.

Grant, you got the,

they have a seasonal summer melon crush flavor.

You also got a tart and a hazelnut.

Yeah, I just ordered more than everyone because I thought we should try them all.

No, you were smart.

I was, I was happy that we all took it.

We got to take bites.

That's what we wanted.

Yeah, the

tart, I had granola and almonds on it.

It was okay.

I've never been a big fan of the tart.

The chocolate hazelnut

was decent.

It had brownies and peanut butter cups on it.

It was probably a little too much chocolate, and I'm just going to, I need to say the mini peanut butter cups have never worked and

are still not working because the chocolate to peanut butter ratio is all out of whack.

Which are real little guys.

Yeah.

You're dropping a big bomb here.

Yeah, no, 100%.

Is it that there's like no peanut butter in there?

Yeah.

There's too the chocolate casing is too dense, right?

Yeah.

And just like when you get some of the larger format Reese's items, the chocolate's a little too dense.

Yeah.

There's not enough peanut butter.

But flavor was fine.

And then the summer, summer melons or

summer melon series.

Summer melon crush.

The summer melon crush I was looking forward to and then did not love because I there was like a dairy thing going on and what felt it should have been more an ice-based fruit.

I agree.

I had a similar sort of experience where I took a, I was like, took a bite of that bad boy, and it's just like, hmm,

it feels like it should be more like a

sorbet.

Almost like make this a dairy-free flavor.

Really lean into the melon.

I don't know.

That one really didn't work for me.

But yes, Patty, I agree.

The pomegranate was good.

My toppings I got was mango, kiwi, cap and crunch, and fruity pebbles, which again, nice textural variants.

Country school ass order you got there.

What the fuck are you talking about?

I do.

You got cap and crunch on yours and strawberry popping boba.

What are you doing?

I did.

Elementary school order because I got two cereals and you got one.

When you opened it, I got the more adult cereal.

Swapping fruity pebbles for strawberry popping boba puts you in grad school.

What the fuck are you talking about?

Captain, a captain crunch is more adult than fucking the fruity pebbles.

I also got a cap and crunch.

Yeah, well, you got the fruity pebbles and your ice cream was pink and it looked like a little kid's ice cream.

I got mango.

That's what Patty got.

I did get that flavor, but I did look over at yours when you took the top off and I gasped because I forgot what we were doing.

And I could not tell what I was looking at.

Yeah,

I will say, I thought mine was great.

I like the little boat of cranch I got and I like the mango and kiwi were the right pairings for the tangy zip of the pomegranate.

I was just so surprised by how good that pomegranate flavor was.

The strawberry shortcake, to me, comparatively underwhelmed.

It tasted a little bit, I don't know,

the science-y sort of art, like fake cake sort of flavor to it.

I just, I would have raked, like a pure strawberry.

It would be a good gimmick dessert.

What's that?

Have you had a restaurant?

I think this is a good idea.

No one's going to like it.

Say it.

Say it.

No, it's not good.

But

I genuinely think it's a good idea.

I'm not going to do it.

I want to hear it.

Say it.

It's strawberry tall cake to have like a tall version of strawberry shortcake.

It's fucking cool.

I love that.

Like a stack super, super high with like lots of layers.

I'm serious.

Do you want a whole restaurant dedicated to strawberry tall cake?

I mean, I don't think, yeah.

Or just like a special cake.

A big, tall strawberry shortcake.

Thank you.

I think it's maybe a novelty dessert in a larger concept.

I don't think it could sustain a restaurant.

I'm going to say, because you all think I'm joking around here, I could be damn serious on this show sometimes.

I don't know if the slices would stand alone because they would be so tall.

We have little things to hold them up or something.

Like dowels.

Yeah, yeah, some sort of dowel or some sort of.

It's great like structural items within cake strawberry tall cake yeah it is fun that's fun is it not fun i love that thank you yeah eating around a wood pillar like you have like a shish kebab cake that's funny that's fun and it's fun yeah that's all that's all i had to say i i think that i think the move with the strawberry tall cake you bring it out like this you you don't have a structural element supporting it and then you turn it on and to eat so it's like

the presentation is like you're walking it out it's nice and tall but then like i'm gonna put it on your side so the table can enjoy it.

If we had Patty and I actually and our good friend Greg Warswick had a meal at the Cheesecake Factory

up in Toronto?

No, here in Los Angeles, Wags, where Doughboys began.

Oh, you went to that at the OG one.

That's where it began.

That's where it began.

We were at the OG.

The Grove Cheesecake Factory where we conceived the idea for this very podcast.

Yes.

I recently passed guest and friend of the show, Sony Sharp, I recently had a meal with him there.

Did you really?

I did, yeah.

Oh, I love it.

Can we go back?

Of course, I would love to go back.

We're AMC, we're stubbs members.

We're stubbies.

So we should go.

What did we see together?

On the A-list?

I forget.

I forget, too.

I forget.

Oh, we saw Drop.

Fun.

We saw Drop.

That's right.

Drop.

Yeah, we liked it.

We liked it.

It was fun.

But we went to the OG Wags.

Yeah.

The creation of the fingers touching the first Doughboys moment there.

I love an inception story.

You have an inception story?

No, I love them.

You just explained you were inception.

Oh, I thought she said she had an inception story.

Sorry, I apologize.

Yeah, I got incepted.

Yeah, we were.

I got knocked out on flame.

I stole a safe code inside my subconscious.

I woke up in the grove.

Then I wept when I saw my son.

Should have incepted you to not do the podcast to get rid of this idea.

I really liked mine today, and I liked mine okay when I went over the weekend.

I mean, like,

how are we ranking yogurt?

Like, who is, what's the number one yogurt spot right now?

I have no fucking idea.

Is it Menshe's?

I think it probably is Menshe's, right?

Is it Menshe's?

Probably.

Yeah.

Do you mean in terms of

like, like, you know, market dominance?

Traffic.

Yeah.

Or do you mean in terms of like,

like, what's the, what's the gold standard?

What's the best best one

yeah who's the top

uh i mean it might be it might be yogurt land still just because yogurt land kind of get went everywhere yeah yogurt land but there might be some newcomer who everyone's like this is the spot i don't know i i just feel like i generally feel like frozen yogurt right in right now is is in a bit of a recession i feel like like ice cream has kind of risen up and i think you're also seeing like these places that are yeah i feel like like a like you know boba places and like milk tea places are like kind of like taking the what used used to be the frozen yogurt category.

Will yogurt return in Space Balls 2?

First question.

And will, like our friend Charles Ingram predicted, will baby Yoda be called Gogurt?

That was his prediction.

That's really cute.

I think that's cute.

I think that will happen.

I mean, what's interesting you bring that up is I felt like Pinkberry, when it came out, everyone was freaking out about frozen yogurt, and that seemed like the second coming of frozen yogurt.

Right.

Because it was big about

15 years prior.

Yes.

There's a TCBY penguin and all of that.

And then it quieted down.

Right.

And then Pinkberry brought in this more,

it was kind of like the second wave.

And it was kind of fancier.

Like, I felt like when yogurt first started, I felt like it was like purely ice cream rip-off.

It was the same thing.

It was like

toppings

and ice cream flavor type stuff.

Yeah.

Yes.

The toppings of it.

I'll see if I can get any context on what the big frozen yogurt chains are right now.

But like, I will just say

the thing I like about Pinkberry is

I feel like their, their toppings curation, although it's a little bit irritating that it does not line up with what they promise on their website, I do feel like they have good toppings.

And I like that they have like a handful of like the more indulgent, sillier, you know, more childlike options, Mitch.

But I also like that they have

a lot of fresh fruit, which you don't always see at these places.

Yeah.

You don't necessarily like like kiwi, fresh mango, fresh strawberries, fresh blackberries, the blueberries, these aren't necessarily things that you're always going to encounter at your standard frozen yogurt bar.

I think in person is the way to go with

the scary.

Yeah.

Because you get to see, and the thing they call their like

chocolate little things a different name than what I would normally think.

They're called like nims or something.

What are they?

Nibs?

Not like cocoa nibs.

No, it's not even that.

It's like,

I don't know.

The little ball.

Well, those crunch balls.

I had to literally Google it.

The little thing, the little balls.

The little balls.

And then they used to have kind of like a gooey little ball mix.

Oh, yes, I saw that there.

It was there.

Okay, well.

Is that what you wanted?

I think when you're like looking online, it's harder to know like what these names of things are.

So I think you got to go in person.

I think the website sucks.

And you got to get in and say, ooh, those look good.

Goo balls.

And then this

little

giblets.

Oh, yeah, I want that giblet.

I want that goo ball.

I think that's the way to, I think that's how you do it.

I agree with you.

I think like these frozen yogurt places are go in person types of

even every most ice cream places you want to go in person.

100%.

But having been in person, I will say that, yes, it's more fun to order and you get to, oh, what is that?

Okay, I'll have some.

That's how I ended on cheesecake bites.

It was like began with a question.

What is that?

Cheesecake bites.

Oh, some cheesecake bites.

You know, I do like that part of the experience.

My, my pink berry wasn't any better because I had it at the mall food court instead of having it, you know, here at Headgum.

In terms of locations and market presence, Menchese is number one.

Wow.

Then Yogurt Land.

The third above TCBY, which is still hanging in there, and Pinkberry.

And the third place is Sweet Frog, the Christian frozen yogurt chain, which is big in the South.

Never heard of that.

Oh, Jesus

cream.

I didn't know.

You didn't.

None of us did.

Well, they did.

Amelia, you got the coconut yogurt, the dairy-free, which I thought was good as hell.

Yeah, it was great.

Yeah, and you got some coconut shavings, chocolate crumbles, raspberries, milk, chocolate, cranchon.

It was all right.

It was better.

I like it.

No, it was better than all.

Right.

It was better.

You're a coconut skeptic.

This is an.

I like coconut.

No, I think you're a coconut skeptic.

Oh, interesting.

Because I feel like you have a reaction that had too much coconut in it.

I feel like you have that happen a lot.

I'm a comedian, and oftentimes,

like

as gags, coconuts are falling on our heads.

So, yeah, I have an aversion to that.

It's a classic.

A lot of that in Twisted Metal season two.

There's a lot of coconuts falling on Stu's head in season two.

Cars slipping on bananas.

Sorry, Mario Kart this season.

Yeah.

But you, but like, I liked yours.

You were down with that coconut?

Oh, yeah.

I was very down with it.

I liked how light and

it was a dairy-free

version, and it was really, it felt light.

it felt delicious.

Yours had me wondering.

No, no, yours had me wondering.

You've worked here for so long.

What the fuck are you talking about?

I can't say anything about the food.

You're doing great.

Yours did have me wondering, like, is dairy-free the way to go at the Pink Berry?

That's the way to go.

Yeah.

Mitch's just mad at me because I got a better order than his.

That's not true.

That's not true at all.

I like that coconuts also kind of look like bowling balls.

That's kind of fun.

That is fun.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's all.

I mean, like, any other thoughts on Pinkberry?

Is there anything we missed?

I want to make sure we covered everyone's orders and toppings properly.

My only thought on Pinkberry, and I think

they seem to be the only frozen yogurt chain that does kind of their angle, the whole tart, that whole thing.

I, in general, think I just prefer a more ice cream-like

frozen yogurt flavor.

Like, I don't love their flavors.

There's no peanut butter.

There's no salted caramel.

Yeah.

I guess I want savory isn't the word, but I want something less kind of rich-ish.

I want something more rich and

less tarty, I think.

I think this, I think this is a, this is a, a, a, a, a good insight because, like, they're kind of for a while they, they had like, they're like minimalism was their whole thing.

It's like, we're only going to do a couple of flavors, gonna do a handful of toppings, it's gonna be very fruit for it, it's going to be more tart.

And now they've kind of tried to become like a, like a yogurt land, but they're not going all the way where they have all the like the you know the really indulgent flavors yeah and like even i i feel like the ones they do have like a chocolate hazelnut is like kind of half in half out right they're not committing the rich exactly yeah so

has anyone ever made a pickle ice cream i'm sure someone has oh really that sounds a little bit good it sounds a little bit good with chocolate covered of chips in it oh wait chocolate covered chips or chocolate chips oh chocolate covered potatoes interesting where's this coming from i don't know

Are you a pickle fan?

I'm curious.

I love pickles.

Do you like

a dill pickle?

What do you like?

Yeah, dill.

Only dill.

Got it.

A pornichon, I'll go there, but I'll dill.

But I'm just wondering, like, with a pickle ice cream, because I feel like you kind of have to lean into the sweetness a little bit.

Like, it's going to be a little bit more relishy.

Or are you saying like it'd be like a really like kind of tart, like sour sort of ice cream?

I don't know.

Hmm.

We don't have to strike it, but we like the idea.

It'll go in our cheese, in our tall

Strawberry tall cake restaurant.

Strawberry tall cake, a side of pickle ice cream.

I think that sounds great.

I don't like the ones that are more cucumber-y.

You know what I'm talking about?

Is that like a...

Oh, I like those.

Oh, do you really?

Like a Jewish deliveries.

No, the pickles.

Like, when you go to a deli, they kind of give you a selection of brines or some of them are very

dilly and some are mild.

I need like the very vinegary.

I like a more vinegary pickle.

You'll sometimes get like a tsunamono.

I think it's called.

It's

that cucumber salad.

You'll get a Japanese restaurant.

That's fun.

Yeah, and

that's like very vinegary, but it's not as pickled.

Here's my issue with this.

It's like, make up your mind.

Are you a cucumber or are you a pickle?

And this little in-between thing is not working for me.

You got to pick one side or the other.

You need

a gender.

That's not

what I'm saying.

That's not what I'm saying.

But I want a pickle or I'll have a cucumber salad.

And then when it kind of tastes like a cucumber, I don't like it.

I don't like it as much.

I want like the pickle vinegar, and I love vinegar.

I want that taste.

You're saying cuke makes you puke?

Cuke doesn't make me puke.

I don't love cucumbers as far as vegetables go, but I do love pickles.

And I know that they're cucumbers.

Cucumber is kind of the twisted metal on PlayStation 1 of vegetables.

I'm not insulting the game, Sony.

I love the game.

Just an absolute unforced error.

No need for you to have said anything.

Jesus Christ.

I suck at podcasting.

I'm doing great.

You're doing so great.

That's the only thing I do as I podcast.

You're an actor, too.

That's right.

You're thriving.

You're killing it.

You kill it.

And you're a stage actor.

That's right.

I am.

I'm a stage actor.

You kill it in season two of Twisted Mellon.

You knocked it out of the park with the scripts, and you were so fantastic as Raven, which we didn't.

You are so fantastic.

I can't wait to see.

Yeah, Raven and Stu are both amazing

this season.

Everybody's so great.

There was a scene, there was one day, I was having brain fog, and you were very nice to me after the scene, and I apologized to you later.

But you were very nice.

And you're like, that was great.

And I was like, I sucked.

And I walked out of the bag.

And I gave him a compliment.

And it like, he yelled at me.

I was like, I fucking sucked.

And like, went into the bathroom.

And then later, I was like, I'm sorry.

I mean, I didn't really yell at you, but I was being very down on myself.

And you were very kind.

And you always knocked it out of the park.

You were always so good.

Every take.

As an actor, it's that sort of thing.

How do you do it?

I don't know how people like you doing it.

You were doing it.

I sucked.

I suck here, too.

I suck at podcasting.

This is

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I don't know, like...

You guys have probably heard this so many times, but this is like the best podcast and so much fun to listen to and be on.

Like

listening to people talk about food, there's something so wonderful about it, but you guys are so funny.

It's just

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We were born for this.

It's perfect.

Oh,

it's such a great idea, like, to dive in like this.

That Cheesecake Factory Day.

He said it, and I, and uh, it was why I brought Wages brought it up, and I, and I thought it was a good idea, but I was like, it might kill us.

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We should get to our final thoughts on Pink Berry.

So, Grant Patty,

we'll each go around, give our closing arguments, if you will, a summation of our thoughts on Pinkberry based on this experience and any previous experiences, and then end by giving it a score from zero to five.

Twisted spoons?

Mitch, what are we landing on?

Ravens wings, or

we've changed.

It's been out of headbands.

Sweet Tooth's Truck, I believe, right,

is the other thing.

Raven's voodoo dolls.

Ravens voodoo dolls.

That's pretty fun.

It's up to you guys what you would want to do.

Wheels?

How about Ravens Voodoo Donuts?

Hey, that's pretty good.

But also, that makes no sense.

Just merging.

Yeah, it's just merging two things.

One that has nothing to do with us.

We can rank it out of Twisted Metal 1 on PS1.

Mitch, that's the way to go.

How many Twisted Metal One on PS1s does Pink Berry get?

All right, perfect.

Grant, your thoughts, your spoon score.

Yeah,

I think I probably gave most of the thoughts.

Pink berries, decent, it's fine.

Yeah.

Would not eat again ever.

Wow.

I think it's decent and fine for everyone else in this room.

Don't enjoy.

Wait a minute.

Fine for everyone else in the room.

Flavors are not good.

Thank you.

And I'll give it one twisted metal on PlayStation 1.

Wow.

Out of five.

Yeah.

One twisted metal on PlayStation 1 out of five.

Damn.

You just fucking.

Yeah.

You fucked up Big Berry.

I was not getting from your energy at all that you hated this.

I think you'd be that surprised.

Yeah.

I don't.

I'm not a big, you know, angry frowner, but I've been seething inside.

Madison.

Yeah, I don't like it.

Wow.

I don't like it.

One spoon.

Patty, your thoughts, your score.

Okay.

Not one spoon.

One twisted metal on the screen.

One twisted metal on PlayStation.

The disc.

We'll say it's one disc.

Oh, disc.

Disc will make it easy.

Yeah.

So it's always, since its inception,

been close to my heart.

Wow.

My pink heart.

That's true.

That sounds weird.

Okay.

No, your heart's pink.

But

blue and stuff, too, right?

And I was craving it.

What?

An anatomical model?

Just think of an anatomical heart.

Red and blue.

It's like pink and blue and like a lot of different weird colors.

I don't know, I've never seen one in real life, I have no idea, but it is like uh, yeah, my dad had open-heart surgery.

I didn't sneak in and see anything, like, I'm just saying, I've never seen a heart, but it's kind of blue out of the colour.

Yeah, I feel like I've seen one.

Hold on, I'm gonna look up.

What about red?

Pink, I think of red as the dominant color, but I guess it's got to be a little bit more.

There's a bunch of different hues on there, yeah.

I'm like, I'm googling it.

It's not black, hopefully.

And I think you're in trouble.

Okay, yeah,

well,

and I was actually craving this pinkberry about a week ago, and I brought it up to Kyle, and I said, I want pinkberry.

I love it.

And that was before I knew this was Pinkberry Day.

Wow.

So I've had it.

Is Kyle a fan of

is Kyle a fan of pinkberry?

No.

We've gone there before.

We have made an outing,

but I don't think I need to go back for a long time.

Yeah.

I think I could probably go a year.

So that's.

What is Kyle Kennedy, your lovely boyfriend?

What does he think of

Pinkberry?

Did he have fun when you guys went or no?

It's been a few years.

That's what I was doing.

Oh, so you just didn't go.

I didn't go last week.

I just said, oh, I'm sorry.

I said I wanted to.

I was going to get a day night at Pinkberry.

No.

Yes.

That's what I was saying.

And I was like, I want Pinkberry.

So Kyle just screwed it.

I was still there.

I had that conversation.

Yeah.

But because it had been a few years, and I think I could go a few more years.

I think I need a few more years.

Wow.

I know.

I know.

I will say the tart is where it's at for me.

And the pomegranate's all right.

But I live near a Van Lewin, and I'm going there.

Yep.

Van Lewin, I've stayed away.

It seems, they seem snooty to me.

I mean, that's just the name sounds like a bad guy from a college movie.

But they live, they're like on my block.

And that honeycomb, I'm going there.

We've never done it on the honey.

Honeycomb's a money flavor.

I do like Van Lewin.

I'll go to Van Lewin on my own.

We've never reviewed it on the podcast.

We never reviewed it on the podcast.

We could have done it.

And you love it.

How many discs?

Twist a metal discs?

I'm going to give it one disc plus one broken second disc.

One and a half discs.

Everyone hates pinkberry.

Holy shit.

I'm surprised by this pan.

Really?

Here we go.

That's the human heart here.

Is that a physical heart?

It's a physical heart, yes.

It looks like a 3D model.

It is a 3D model.

I couldn't find it in a fucking heart.

All right.

Hold on.

I'll find one.

This This just looks fake.

It seems like a guy who just has a fake heart.

That's a fake heart.

That's a fake heart.

Hold on.

I'll find a real one.

It's like a chicken breast.

Yeah.

Do you want me to give my review while you're Google image searching for hearts?

Sure.

Okay.

Ooh, this one's beating.

Look at it.

Ooh.

That's pretty cool.

That also looks like a model, but.

Yeah, I know it's not real for fuck's sake.

I'm going to find a real heart.

I was going to be kinder to Pinkberry because it seems like consensus is more like Stinkberry.

And I'm kind of surprised by that, honestly.

honestly, because I thought it was fine.

But when I think about it, your points are well taken.

When am I going back to Pinkberry if not for content?

If I think about it, Mitch, we last reviewed this in 2016, nine years ago.

In the intervening years, have I been to Pinkberry one time by choice?

I don't think I have.

Have you thought about it?

I haven't really, honestly, I haven't really interrogated it until now.

And I'm thinking about it.

And I'm like, yeah, I don't think I've, I don't think I've gone back.

I don't think it's been in my mind.

That's another revelation.

I would choose dozens of dessert places.

I don't think that's overstating it.

I could probably list, I could easily list 24 different dessert places I would go to.

24?

Before I would get to decide, lean on Pinkberry.

Let's hear them.

If I'm going to Pinkberry.

Strawberry Tall Cake.

Strawberry Tall Cakes.

If I'm just going to Pink Berry.

If I'm going to Pinkberry, it would be like a decision of convenience.

It's like I'm at the airport.

My particular terminal has one dessert option.

It's Pinkberry.

You You want a good flight?

You're going to buy one for the poppy.

Pocket.

I'll get a yeah.

Yeah, yes.

I want to tip the pilot with a pinkberry.

I'll get that for the cabin.

This is a good thing out here.

If you want a nice smooth flight, you gave your pilot a little something on the way.

That's how you get it.

You avoid that serving.

You're going to get a little cream on the way in.

Now, would you just toss a cheeseburger up there?

In the airport over

a newsstand candy item.

No, I'd probably grab like a, like a, you know, some sort of energy bar candy bar or something like that.

I'd probably do that.

I'd probably grab a, grab a sack of MMs.

I mean, like, I don't know.

So, so I was going to land three, uh, on three Twisted Metal PlayStation 1 dishes because I was like, it's fine at what it's

accomplishing.

But when I actually think about it,

MM's kind of dangerous to the pilot.

Just it could get in the controls and stuff like that.

But we changed it from the tip for the pilot to what we were getting for myself.

Oh, okay.

All right.

Sorry.

I'd have the good sense to not get the pilot MMs.

I know I'm going to claw these.

I just want to make sure.

Yeah.

You don't don't want a fucking idiot.

Controls.

Stinky, stinky up there.

No chocolate in the pocket.

We don't want to clog the controls up there.

Smooth flight.

I am going to land where Patty landed,

which is one PlayStation 1 disc plus one broken in half disc.

I think this is a 1.5 chain.

I don't know.

I'm actually comparing it against all desserts.

Yeah, that's probably where it lands.

My heart is racing.

I don't know if I'm sick or this has made me nervous.

But should we be rating it on its own thing and not comparing it?

This is what we say.

What it's trying to do.

And what it's trying to do is be a frozen yogurt place.

So you could say like frozen yogurt is inherently inferior to that.

That's kind of what I was thinking mentally.

Frozen yogurt is inherently not going to be

my top dessert pick.

So that notes.

You love non-frozen yogurt.

You're a huge yogurt guy.

But even

this execution, I was like, I don't know.

Yeah, I probably don't have a reason to go here.

So 1.5 feels honest to me.

What do you think, Mitch?

Oh, boy.

Pinkberry is not the first thing I give to a pilot.

I would pick handles or something.

Actually, I wouldn't give them any ice cream at all, probably.

I feel like this is like the car thing all over again, except maybe even harder to deal with.

You know, you're not supposed to open the work.

You're just coming up.

You can gum up the work.

You're not supposed to open the door to the cockpit.

Oh, that's also,

yeah.

So you should never be handing anything to a pilot.

You avoid the turbulence this time.

I

look, stinkberry, disgusting.

When you said stinkberry, disgusting to me.

That's disgusting.

I was thinking of like a little brown stinkberry.

Oh, that is gross.

That's gross.

And I don't think that stinkberry is, I mean, I don't think that pinkberry is that.

I don't think pinkberry is stinkberry.

No.

I think it's okay.

I like the original tart.

There's only one original tart in my book, though.

Carl.

I like Carl Tart.

He'll love that tart.

I love Carl Tart.

I love Carl.

But I think that the original tart is pretty good, and the fresh fruit toppings are fine.

I don't know.

Is it that different from Menchi's?

It's kind of the same shit to me.

I don't know.

There's nothing.

Do I think Menchi's is all that better?

Actually, Menchi's is probably better.

So I think, like, I don't know.

Very different than Menchi's.

It is different.

To be fair.

You know, it does kind of suck.

You guys won me over.

It sucks.

It's like the PlayStation 1 Twisted Metal.

I'm going to give it two PlayStation one.

I'm going to give it two in the pink and one in the Stinkberry.

Two point

two.

Two in the Pinkberry and one in the Stinkberry.

This show sucks.

Do you think there's any chance the creator of the original Twisted Metal Jaffee?

Yeah, decides to like, oh, they're doing a podcast about my game.

Let's take a look at it.

He made a great game and he's very supportive of the show.

So I like David Jaffe.

I think David Jaffe would know that the game is older and doesn't play as well anymore.

I think he knows that.

I think someone in development would have a sense of, yes, it existed in a time and a place.

I don't think that would be a self-assessment.

He was a pioneer.

He was.

He was.

And they made a lot of great games.

And,

yeah, I don't know.

Absolutely.

Hey, that was our review of Pink Berry.

It's time for a segment.

What is the score of two in Pink and one?

Two point.

What?

I said, oh, I guess just two discs.

Two discs.

It's time for a segment.

I got a food stuff.

We're going to decide if you should put it in your mouth.

It's snack or a whack.

All right, Amelia, you're walking these over for us.

My understanding is that these are some Swedish fish.

That's right.

That was

these glow-in-the-dark.

These are the strawberry watermelons.

Do we have to turn the lights out?

Yeah, 100%.

Oh, shit.

Wait, can we?

Yeah, we can.

Hold on.

Oh, my God.

I'm not sure.

We'll see if this reads on camera.

I can't because it'll turn the cameras off, too.

Oh, okay.

Dang it.

Hold on, I just have to go.

Can I take her into the bathroom?

Okay.

Well, maybe maybe you hide it in.

Can you put it in your hand?

Oh, yeah, we could cup it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, see if you get the effect of it.

I'm going to go into the bathroom.

Okay.

Unrelated.

Yeah.

Just for a couple minutes.

He's just going to take his fish and get it.

Do we need to charge it like a

Swedish fish mini glow-up?

Strawberry dash watermelon with edible confetti that glows under.

Oh, it glows under black light.

Oh, okay.

Do we have a black light?

Do not shine a black light on me.

This is so neat.

So we got some twisted sweet.

Half of your face lights up.

I swear to God, I wasn't sucking Wally off.

Does catches glow in the dark?

I don't know.

Here we go.

I'm going to try these guys.

These are some twisted sweets.

Oh, you did get it.

Yeah, pass back.

Oh, yeah.

Palette black.

Oh, sorry.

Sorry.

Sorry.

Oh, wait.

Oh, I only took one.

I'm taking a handful.

Are they all the same flavor?

I only took like two.

I believe they are all the same.

Oh, okay.

I went to the fatty, so I went three.

Thank you.

I just wanted some.

I went to

the CBS and

I had to get at, I was just prescribed Adderall, and it was the only place I had Adderall.

So I went to the CBS in Highland Park, basically.

Wait, no.

Where was it?

I don't know.

I wasn't there.

That's the only place that has Adderall.

Thank you.

It was hard to get Adderall.

So they sent me to this one place and I went and got it.

And I took a picture of it and I sent it to you guys or to Amelia.

And Amelia was like.

You got to get that for the show.

You got to get this for the show.

Oh, yeah.

You bought it already.

I did not buy it already.

I did not buy it already.

I used the Doughboys card to buy this and my Adderall.

Oh, you got the Adderall too, then

I don't know.

I got to say this.

I think these are pretty good.

I like those.

I don't like the fact that they glow in the dark.

I feel like this is probably not a good thing.

I think it's just such a niche thing that you're around a blacklight.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like, I can't think of the last time I was around a black light.

For college, maybe?

It's for college kids.

It feels like they're doing this.

It's for ravers.

Oh, that's what it maybe is.

And maybe it's like a stoner culture pan.

Ravers aren't eating usually.

Yeah.

I wouldn't know.

I have raves too, like, don't they have like candy?

Like, suck on ring pops and shit like that.

I don't know.

I have no idea.

But stoners.

Yeah, it could be that.

But I think there's also like a level of like.

They just want to call it glow-in-the-dark candy.

So kids like, oh, glow in the dark.

Let's get that.

And then they don't realize that you need a black light to actually.

Bamboozle the children.

I think there's a little bit of that going on.

I got a question for you.

Yeah.

And we take a black light to our turds later.

Will they, will they, will they also be affected?

That's a good question, Mitch.

You can try it out in your own home or report back.

Also, maybe put a couple of these in your pocket and run it through the laundry.

Yeah, this is, hey, no fishery here.

These are a snack.

I love them.

I mean, look, I'm on the record of saying gummy ain't yummy.

That's just me not responding to gummy texture, but this is a well-executed flavor.

I'm definitely getting a lot of watermelon from it, which I like.

Less strawberry, but I mean, it is just maybe just a little bit sweeter than a straight-ahead watermelon, so I get it.

No, does he put befan on?

I don't think the gimmick quite works, but I do think this is a snack.

No, does he befon on?

What's up?

Frozen yogurt.

Yeah, that might work.

That might be a little too hard.

This mixed with regular Swedish fish, too.

So you get a little

bit of both with variety.

Jimmy, you don't want one of these.

Oh, no.

I think these are

great.

I would.

This is

redeem my dessert eating experience.

Wow.

Yeah.

So you had a decent time?

I enjoyed myself.

Yeah.

No, but I'd rather go to the Swedish fish mini glow-up shop than the pink berry shop.

Wow.

Me too.

I would rather have these as...

I would rather have...

Can I have some more?

Yeah.

Sorry.

What do you guys think of Swedish fish just in general?

I'm also a watermelon person.

Yeah, I do like watermelon a lot.

I do.

Rose, when I had watermelon candy, I was like, oh, yeah, this is working for me.

Strawberry artificial flavor.

I like strawberry artificial more than I like actual strawberries, even though I do like strawberries.

I like strawberry.

But, oh, you guys all like the strawberry popping boudin.

That's artificial.

That's a little artificial strawberry taste.

But

artificial watermelon is also.

This is very funny.

Artificial watermelon tastes is right up there with artificial strawberry.

Look, we glow, and there's a little hole in the back to see that they glow.

And then under it, under

black light.

Yeah, I think it's like the two sides of the thing.

That's fucking dumb.

I think that that supports why this is a trick theory.

You're trying to challenge it, it is a trick.

Yeah, I wonder if you can't put something in there that would just glow in the dark because you can't eat that.

Could there's probably no way that's edible, but there's something about blacklight stuff that makes it edible.

This is what we said to Amelia that this seems like this is what I said to Amelia: it seems like something we probably shouldn't eat.

It's probably not good to be eating whatever the fuck is that.

It might just be the hue of the candy because you know, blacklight responds to color

as well as other

chemicals, Yeah.

Yeah.

Like white clothes, pop.

Maybe it's just the fact that those are kind of translucent.

Yeah.

I think you're right.

Maybe it sounds, it sounds like you're going snack.

Yes.

Hattie, snack or whack.

Where do you land?

Oh, snack.

Snack.

We're snack whack.

You're snacking.

They're fucking tasty.

Deus, what do we think up back there?

Snack.

Wow.

Yeah.

Wow.

It's unanimous.

Just like a restaurant.

I didn't, but I wish I did.

It's tunanimous.

It's a new thing.

Portmanteau.

You guys are here for a new thing.

We are here for an inception.

The birth of canon.

Vinode, update the Doughboy's wiki.

Tunanimity is here.

Tunanimous.

Wow.

Wow.

You thought we were out of gas after 10 years.

Still

strong.

Just like a restaurant variety feedback.

Let's go to the feedback.

Today's email is from Big Boy Baby Guy.

They write.

What?

Big Boy Baby Guy.

I'm joking.

They write.

I used to work as a manager for Peacock's YouTube channel.

Whoa.

Part of my tasks were to upload videos and create thumbnails.

So for season one of Twisted Metal, I was tasked with uploading and creating the thumbnail for the first big teaser trailer with Sweet Tooth and John Doe fighting in the casino.

Wow.

It was kind of a big rollout whenever new Peacock IP was being posted.

Unfortunately, one of the thumbnail options I provided was chosen by execs as the leading thumbnail.

It was a simple still of the two characters fighting, but nobody realized until it was too late that it also looked like Sweet Tooth was pinning John Doe up against a slot machine and fucking him up the ass.

Comments were coming in.

This is the guy.

This is the guy who posted it.

Comments were coming in on the trailer, and their hot new IP teaser was a big fat joke thanks to me.

Execs were not happy, and I got a bit of a talking to about being more aware of what's being posted.

But the thumbnail also went through a few rounds of approvals.

So I was just curious if Mitch or any of the other people who worked on the show were aware of the teaser trailer ass fucking mishap.

Looking forward to more stew in season two.

And here's a picture of the thumbnail in question.

I've got the pic here on my device.

I mean, Grant, you certainly, I imagine you remember the initial reaction to this.

Yeah, here's the picture.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

I do.

I was.

Yeah, that, that, uh, yeah.

That was definitely.

You blew it.

Something I was aware of.

I don't hold this person responsible for said.

I mean, we all know how many

people's

need to sign off for anything to hit a corporate website.

So,

yeah, he's

also Twisted Metal and like Sweet Tooth fucking the main guy is not that crazy.

I don't know.

That's not that wild to me.

Why not?

He did fine.

People over that first clip people were tougher on, I feel like.

But I do think Big Boy Baby Guy is correct that the thumbnail did dictate some of the reaction because people were like, kind of like, wait, what is this?

And that still was being circulated in social media.

That was certainly a lot.

People, people, you and I, Mitch, knows that the first they saw of Twisted Metal was

that image and then that little teaser.

Yeah.

Well, yeah, you blew it.

You fucked us over.

But we

die.

What are you doing?

When you watched that teaser, you were fully in after you saw that scene, right?

But yeah, but I do think I, for sure, but I think there were also people who just saw the thumbnail and then just went straight to comments or were just reading the reactions to the thumbnail and that was what informed their opinion.

People like that.

Power of the thumbnail.

Yeah.

I said this, I think, on the, I think I said this on the MJ and Stephanie episode, or maybe I said it before the episode.

But what I liked so much about about the first season is that everyone was, it seemed like everyone was like, this is going to suck.

And then people really liked it.

So I liked winning a crowd over.

It was nice.

Season two is going to blow them away because we got googs right to my left.

Oh, you're being so sweet.

Got the Googers.

And we got Grant.

We got you.

Dink, dink.

And

this season rules.

But

you didn't really fuck us over.

It's fine.

Yeah.

No.

In fact, I liked the way it played out because I liked that people were like, look at this.

He's getting fucked in the ass.

I just think it's kind of

fun that Big Boy Baby Guy ended up being a listener and they were the person.

How about that?

But

is there anything?

I know you have to be cagey about what we can talk about.

We have to be spoily light, even though we are in week three of release as of this episode's release.

That's right.

We're almost all the way there.

Yeah, we'll have three more episodes are out today

as of this new Doughboys.

No, no, two more.

Two more episodes.

Two today.

Two today.

Two today.

Got it.

So, but like, is there anything,

Grant Patty, maybe anything pertaining to your character that

you really enjoyed about this upcoming season or anything people could be looking forward to?

I mean,

do you get to wear like a cool boot or something?

I do wear a cool book.

I would say my outfits are.

Your outfits are wild.

Wild and killer.

Like, I wanted everything.

Wow.

Like, suits, things that I would never even imagine wearing.

That I'm like, oh, this is me now.

I have to wear things like this.

I haven't yet, but I'm going to do it.

But

I think like just the unraveling of

all of our characters, because we're under such

high pressure.

The intensity gets really hot and heavy, and it's just so fun.

The tournament's a pressure cooker watch.

It's a pressure cooker.

And every character just gets to kind of like lose it in a really fun way yeah

you should say your edgar allan poe thing now and then we'll take it out when you said it earlier and and why is after this season they're gonna quote the raven evermore because this new raven has a lot of quotable like fuck

i changed it and i didn't know where to go with it i'm an improviser

They're going to quote The Raven Evermore.

They're going to forget about Edgar Allan Poe's Raven.

There's only one top.

There's going to be one

entertainment.

Edgar Allan Poe, nevermore.

Wow.

Raven

from Twisted Meadow.

Nevermore.

Wow.

Brought it home.

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Does Grant want to say anything about the season?

Oh, yeah, Grant.

Oh, you want to add?

Oh,

yeah, so this is the third.

Okay, so

episodes

six and seven coming.

Six and seven, yeah.

Yeah, so I think something, yeah, something I could say is if you're watching the show and you're a fan of the games and the lore of the original show, or original games rather, that

keep watching because a lot of people, I won't say the name, have been bringing up certain characters they would love to see and love to experience.

And

there is someone coming

that

everyone's excited about.

Yeah, and probably not expecting, but there's something big coming.

Wow.

That's cool.

I love that.

What a tease.

That's a good tease.

Our producers, Emma, Erdbrink, our associate producers, Amelia Marino, our supervising video producer, Casey Downhead, our video writer, Mike Dorfman.

You can get our merch at kinshipgoods.com slash Doughboys and get the Doughboys Double Our Weekly Bonus episode over at patreon.com slash Doughboys.

Grant Dakernian, Patty Guggenheim, Twisted Metal, Season 2, out now on Peacock.

People should check it out.

Check it out.

Thank you so much.

Congratulations.

I have not seen anything as of this episode's recording, but I'm excited to watch along as it's released.

Awesome.

Everything I heard is so positive from everyone worked on it.

I'm very, very excited.

Congratulations.

As are we.

Thank you so much.

Is there anything else you want to plug or share about the show?

It's on again, I already said it, but it's on Peacock.

If you don't already have a subscription, definitely check it out over there.

And if you do, make sure to be streaming it.

Uh-oh.

Oh.

Is there another mystery?

And tune in next week for one new fistery fuck.

yes.

Shark love.

Did I blow it?

No.

I mean, I blew it as soon as I decided to put the hat back on.

Goodbye, everyone.

Thanks, Patty.

Thanks, Grant.

Twisted Monthle continues next week.

I don't know if it's an episode of Doughboys until next time.

Let's move my McMitch.

I'm Tiger Wigger.

Have you eaten?

See ya.

Bye.

That was a hit gun podcast.

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