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This week on Dough Boys, Mrs.

Fields.

Welcome to Dough Boys, the podcast about chain restaurants.

I'm Tiger Weiger, along with my co-host,

Mitchell versus the Vaccines,

the Spoon Man, Mike Mitchell.

I just made a joke about it.

Pretty good.

That's pretty spot on.

We made a joke about going out to Golden Road Brewery

right when the pandemic had ended in 2021.

Yes.

Right.

You remember when the pandemic ended in early 2021?

We're all set.

In the rare times we had hung out.

That's right.

With everybody Jordan Morris.

And you're going to Golden Road tonight, not to Doxy, but this episode will be air after you.

We'll be fine.

Yes.

Yeah, yeah.

You should be fine.

Yes.

Yeah.

And I was saying I had been going out anyways, which is not true.

I was very bored and I moved back to Quincy, Massachusetts.

I remember.

I remember it well.

Our listeners remember it well.

I'm sure the period when we were doing everything, we were trying to figure it out.

We reviewed Or Ida Potatoes one episode.

That is true.

You know what's funny is that we were talking about like,

remember, I was like, what's what's the best tournament?

We said this the other day that we were talking about the tournaments the other day.

And we're like, what's the best tournament?

And I was like, I really like the McDonald's one.

And we were like, oh, that's when the pandemic started.

So now I'm, it's now five years out and I'm like looking back fondly on pandemic days.

Yes, right.

You have some nostalgia for early pandemic.

Yeah.

Hey, boys, thought of this roast this morning.

Couldn't help but share.

I've been a fan since 2016 and have listened to each and every one of your episodes.

Thanks for furnishing me with a years-long parasocial relationship.

Greetings to Emma, Amelia, Casey, Drop King, Ghost of You Song, The Ad Chad, Commissioner Susser, former Commissioner Kowalik, Jemmy, Wally, Irma, frequent voicemail guest, John Hodgman.

I wonder if his books are on sale anywhere.

And of course, Rob Lowe, Alex, Roasted BirdFuck.

Wow, thanks, Alex.

Thanks for the shout-outs of everyone who means everything to us.

I feel a little left out, but

well, a future email will account for you, I'm sure.

Koalak, Rob Lowe.

Yeah.

Koalik asks if I want to get dinner tonight.

I'm not sold yet.

We're going to see what happens after we do record.

I feel like you've said that exact same sentence before.

Probably.

He was like, we can chill in at your house.

I was like, yeah, we'll see how I feel.

Post-record.

Wallak's inviting himself over to hang out at your house.

Yes.

I think basically, I'll bring a wedge of cheese.

How's your wall consistency?

I don't know.

I don't want to chew a hole through it.

Yeah, is your drywall gnawable?

What the fuck?

They said when they wrote share in there, was it S-H-A-R-E or is it a C-H-E-R?

What?

What?

Oh, the first sentence, thought of this roast this morning, couldn't help but share.

You were asking if that word was S-H-A-R-E or share.

C-H-E-E R.

Like the singer.

Yeah.

I thought of the roast and just started singing share.

Yeah, it couldn't help but share.

If you could turn back time, would you tell that joke?

100%.

I stand by the joke.

I mean, did I tell it too late?

Yes.

Because I went into another whole other thing, But I would, if I, if I could turn, what's your favorite share song?

I mean, I got you, babe, is pretty tough to be.

But also, do you believe?

That's what I was going to say.

That believe is really good.

That's a banger.

And that was like a later in the career hit.

That was like kind of like a comeback hit.

I also, that video kind of got me horny.

I was like, share,

still got it.

Yeah, it's a very horny video.

She does still got it.

Yeah.

I'd crank it to it.

I would say back then.

I'll crank one to this.

This is back then.

Back then.

Back then.

Let's specify.

Back then, it's like, sure, I might crank one of this, you know?

Mitch,

you get that, right?

I understand what the 2000s, you know,

late 90s, early 2000s.

I'll also say, since our guests have brought up Turnback Time, that Turnback Time video is very horny.

Sharon a business.

I could crank one to this.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Aircraft carrier, whatever it is.

Yeah, it's, it's a.

If I had my way, this would be a common thing.

People wouldn't be ashamed of it.

You see something, I could crank one to this, you know, everyone agrees.

Anytime you see Sherry, anytime you see Share, anytime I could crank one to this, yes.

SNL 50, hey, I could crank one to this.

You could?

Yeah, why not?

There's moments in that show I could crank to for sure.

Not to get sad up top.

Yeah.

But let's just get it.

Let's get out there.

It's 10 years since our friend Harris Widows passed away.

Today.

That's right.

Did you know that today was the day?

The day of this episode's release.

No, today.

Oh, the day we're recording.

The day we're recording.

Wow.

That's wild.

So shout out to Harris.

We love you.

And 10 years.

Kind of crazy.

That is wild to think of it.

It would have been a guess.

He would have been great on the show.

Do you think he would have cranked it to share?

I'm sure he had.

I'm sure he did.

When Harris is alive, I'm sure that he cranked it to share.

And probably anything you can crank it to, Harris probably did.

I loved him.

He was a great guy.

Great guy.

There's nothing.

I mean, what else am I going to say?

We've talked about it a lot on the podcast, but today, 10 years.

Crazy.

Fucking crazy.

Yeah.

What are you going to do?

Yeah, yeah, what are you gonna do?

Why?

Do I feel weird talking about it?

Our dead friend who started this comedy podcast?

Yeah, yeah, sure.

But also, like you said, what are you gonna do?

What are you gonna do?

One of the funniest guys ever, a great guy, and we miss him a lot.

We do, we miss him quite a bit.

Yep.

Mitch, I have a on a different note that I have a imagine if you could trade him for Elon or something.

That would be fucking

I'm just saying,

send fucking Elon to hell.

Not that I think

I think Harris is in heaven.

If heaven is real, I think Harris is up there.

But send Elon to.

I think I would trade.

I think I'd bring back.

I think I'd bring Osama back to life to send Elon to hell.

Is that bad?

Is that a bad trade-off?

Not necessarily.

I think I would

bring back Osama.

Osama's back.

Osama's back.

And Harris is back first.

If you can bring someone back, bring Harris first back.

Then Osama.

Yeah, yeah.

Oh, my dad is there too.

Yeah.

Harris.

No, my dad's not in hell, Casey.

He's there.

My dad's in the afterworld.

Right.

Afterworld.

Do we like as explored in Betelgeuse, Betelgeuse?

That's kind of like the domain in which he's my dad and that sex offender guy who's the father.

Jeffrey Jones.

Jeffrey Jones.

Okay, he's there as well.

Yeah, Have Eaten Jeffree Jones.

Bin Laden and Harris.

They're all hanging out.

What a band they got up there.

My dad, Harris, and Bin Laden have a band.

And Harris.

And Jeffrey Jones.

And Jeffrey Jones have eaten Jeffree Jones.

Jeez, my dad has gotten tied up with some fucking freaky characters up there.

Mitch,

I want to bring our guests in here.

I want to get your drop, but I have a harrowing story of survival I wanted to share that was related to a Doughboys record.

Last week we were recording.

It was pouring.

It was like

the most rain LA had gotten in literally years.

The old man was snoring on this day.

One would have to think the old man was snoring.

If it's raining and it's pouring, you know, the third.

Have you heard the one?

There's like an idiom, and I don't know what the origin is, but it's like, like, rain is like the devil is beating his wife.

My grandmother used to say that.

Jesus, what a weird fucking thing.

Yeah, what a weird thing to say.

If it's raining, it means the devil's beating his wife.

Yeah, my grandmother used to say that.

And every time my dad would be like, what the fuck does that mean?

It's this, yeah, it's this weird, like, old-timey thing that got, I don't know.

That's insane.

I know, isn't that crazy?

I hope Osama's putting an end to it down there or something.

It's crazy.

Devil is married?

Beating his wife?

I guess so.

I guess he is married.

Now I got to tell my mom the devil is married and I'm not.

It's supposedly when it's raining and the sun is shining at the same time.

Oh, that's what it is beating his wife.

That's what it is.

Okay.

Wait, what is the, it's raining, it's snoring.

I just genuinely figure this out.

Is the old man is snoring mean like Thunder, it's God is snoring?

Is that the old man in this song?

I never put it together.

That would would make sense.

Is that what it means?

Do you want to check Rap Genius?

Do we have any info on those lyrics?

We check Rap Genius where it's raining.

It's pouring.

Love to have some context on that.

So it was raining.

It was pouring.

I've got this ED.

I've been driving.

I'm driving home.

I get a warning on my dashboard that says,

and first off, my battery is half-charged.

So it's not like my battery is low, but I get a warning.

Electrical vehicle.

Electrical vehicle.

I get a warning that battery malfunction pullover.

It's like that like hard.

It's beeping like it's fucking sully and we just get hit by birds.

It was fucking crazy.

Is this on you or in the car?

This is on the car.

Okay.

So I'm trying.

Okay.

It's not my own warning system.

I'm not seeing my own HUD in my field of vision.

Sorry, I didn't know.

We're clear.

We're clear.

Yeah, no, it's the car is fucking up.

The car says pull over.

I'm trying to get over.

But I'm in downtown L.A., so you know there's that interchange.

So it's like, there's not a place to pull over.

You're on the 405.

Let's be real here, aren't you?

I'm on the 10.

I'm on the 10 going to the 110 to the.

It's not a scary.

101 to the 10 to the.

It's still fucking scary.

The 10 is scary, but 405 is 101, 110, 110 interchange.

So it's like this like three freeways converging.

There's not like a great place to get off.

I'm trying to get to the next exit before I can get to the next exit.

Like I can see the exit ramp.

My car just fucking dies and like dies completely.

I have to coast to the shoulder.

I'm on the shoulder.

No power.

Can't even turn my emergency blinkers on.

So I'm just sitting in the dark in a black car while like fucking traffic is whipping by in the pouring rain.

And I was there for two and a half hours waiting for a tow.

It was fucking terrifying.

I felt so bad when I

didn't realize.

We all offered to go and help you, and you said no, to be clear.

You did, but I will say Nellie came to my rescue.

Nellie came over on her own.

She parked behind me.

She turned on her emergency flashers, which was very nice.

Something that Amelia and Emma also offered to do.

One of those like baby bags with diapers in it.

Revice is binky.

Yeah.

I would have loved that.

So when she parked her car behind me, she parked her car behind me so she had her flashers on so there at least was some illumination.

Or did she just stay in her car?

She was just hanging out there.

Cause it was like, like, she could have gotten out of on the shoulder, but it's like, it was like the shoulder right into just hillside.

It was not like a, like, and it was, it was so, like, it was like flooded outside.

What was she going to do?

Get in the car with you and hang with you.

She got her phone to keep rogging by.

That's what a hero.

It's crazy.

Lovely, your lovely wife.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Who is the best?

But then I finally, you know, i it was i like i couldn't believe how harrowing it was and how lengthy it was it was like the most like i don't really even care that much about the car it was more just that like what a shitty situation to have to endure when i when i heard when you said like she's finally like i'm finally going home or whatever natalie was even there i i couldn't believe it had been as long as it was our record was done at five and i got home at 9 p.m yeah that's insane yeah you know wild yeah yeah what an ordeal anyway and you had talked about canceling that record that day anyway because the weather was because of the weather, yeah.

I'm glad you did it.

We got good episodes.

Maybe, but like, maybe deep inside you knew your car wasn't going to make it home.

Yeah.

Where were you parked?

Did you see anything where you were like, I could crank it to that?

And then like, what happened?

Keep you occupied.

I was going to say, you're saying you want to send Elon to hell if your car had your EV had mysteriously died after you had said that.

Whoa,

that would have been

on the spoon, man.

Look, he's a huge piece of shit.

Also, we were too nice to tech guys for too long.

I saw it coming in like when I was in college, I was like, these fucking little dorks are, they suck.

We should have shoved more of them.

We should have.

Your movie idea, I still think you should do it.

I won't say it out loud.

Because have you ever, we've talked about it before, I think, haven't we?

I don't remember.

So the old man is snoring can mean a couple of different things.

It can mean that the rain drowns out a bunch of sound, kind of like a snore would, or that

you were saying, like thunder and lightning is snoring.

But it seems that most people believe it's a warning about head injuries because the rest of the line is he bumped his head and couldn't get up in the morning he went to bed

he went to bed and couldn't get up in the morning so there's some theories that say it's a drunk guy who bumped his head and like couldn't get up or had a head injury i feel like it's a drunk guy that's something new this new york post article i mean take it that way you will but it says

raining and pouring refers to the alcoholic drinks being poured very liberally like it's raining cocktails and shots

yeah so it's not even like a song about weather really it like it just might be about that makes sense and also the children's nursery rhyme version is about weather but it's maybe actually about drunk it's secretly about drunks that makes if it's like whatever however 150 years old it's about just getting drunk all the time is my was my guess uh one quick lesson learned and i actually it was like a thing that i was glad i had so i was there for a while I tend to be overhydrated during these records.

I had to urinate very badly.

Thankfully, I had my Yeti.

Mitch, I was able to piss in my Yeti, so that was nice.

And let me tell you.

And also, Nick has Nick has.

I was joking about a diaper bag.

I know.

He really ate up it.

And just so people, so this makes sense for people's heads, Nick has the Eddie extra long.

All right.

No, I actually,

it was one of those things I could not believe how much urine is inside the human body because I filled the whole thing.

I filled it up once.

I was like, I still got more going on here.

So I had to dump it out, filled it up again.

And then here's the thing.

Dumped it again.

Yeah.

With the Yeti, you put the cap on, you got home, it was still warm.

Two and a half times I filled it up.

Two and a half Yeti full.

It's a 28-ouncer.

How is that possible?

Disgusting.

Yeah, it's really.

What did you drink?

I was just drinking, like a just kind of, you know, like a can of a can of seltzer and a flat water.

I think I was drinking back in the studio.

Wow.

Do you think some of it maybe was scared pissed?

Do you think you were a little bit scared?

Yeah, I think there probably was some fear pissed.

Sure, yeah.

Yeah.

Ooh, fear, piss.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But I was glad I I had because I would have been, I don't know what else I would have done.

I would have just had to like pee myself.

So what do you, did you, what was, what was your routine with cleaning the Yeti?

I guess I need to know.

Hand washer, hand washed, and then through the dishwasher.

I was like, I was like, this thing costs like $40.

I'm not throwing it in the trash because I had some of my own tea in it.

Like, I'm just going to wash it thoroughly.

It'll be fine.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Have you used it since?

Yeah.

I really regret.

I'm getting fucking pissed.

I regret letting you give me that Yeti.

I was

when I walked in

as a welcome gift, you gave me.

Would you like a Yeti?

I was like, Sure, thank you.

Now,

as soon as you walk through the door, you want a drink?

It's in your face.

It's weird.

Emma, let's hit him with a drop.

I heard a huh.

Yeah.

Right.

Wonka had it up.

Wonka had it though.

Right.

Yeah.

I heard a huh.

Pro-main spring mix.

That's for me.

Oh, Jesus.

Wonka had it duh.

Wonka had it huh.

A wedge salad?

I mean, look, it was bad.

Wow.

I like that beat.

The beat was fantastic.

That was great.

That was a really, really good beat.

How to hell to Spoon Nation for me.

And then howdy, Emma, Amelia, Casey, Drop King, Wayne Brady, Brady, and the other two.

Oh, us.

I guess that's us.

Yeah, that makes sense.

Um, I so enjoyed the musicality of the sniffle, yeah, right, huh, from the root beer episode.

I knew it needed to be dropped.

I don't even know what the fuck that means.

Shout out to Casey,

you were on a Root Beer Baron episode.

Do you remember what that exchange was at all?

No, not a clue.

Sniffle, yeah.

I think the haunt is me.

Is Amelia.

I kind of remember that, but I didn't think that was the root beer episode because Mitch said something and Amelia went, huh?

And then you finished your sentence, and Amelia went, oh, quietly the back of it.

That could have been any episode.

But I remember mixing it because it was fun.

I thought it was funny, and I was like, I gotta make sure everybody can hear this.

But I didn't realize it was the Root Beer episode.

And shout out to Hot.

Sorry, shout out to White Hot for the beat.

Thanks always for the insightful conversation and attempts at humor.

Attempts at humor.

Kramer.

Wow.

On Discord because my beautiful, higher-earning wife won't let me.

Wow.

Kramer.

Wow.

Thank you.

I loved your set at the Laugh Factory.

Drops at BirdFuck.com.

Mitch, very, very excited to have our guest in studio, editor and critic at Screen Crush and the author of Opposable Thumbs.

Wow.

How Siskel and Ebert Changed Movies Forever.

Matt Singer is here.

Hi, Matt.

Hi.

Thanks so much for making time for us.

You're in town on a family vacation, but you carved out some time to come in studio for the Doughboys.

We appreciate it it so much.

Now, is I think we've said this to you before, but is any part of you writing this book about Siskel and Ebert, is that just attracting you to come back to Nick and I?

Because we're kind of like the dumber, modern day,

dumber version of Siskel and Ebert.

Of food, yes, absolutely.

Of food.

Also, we aren't good at talking about movies on top of that, too.

Wow.

We'll see.

People don't like our movie opinions, I would say.

Even though I think we're...

We align.

Nick and I align more on.

I think we have pretty good movie opinions.

I think our guest has pretty good movie opinions, too.

I got to say this.

Yeah.

I talked to someone today from The Atlantic about an article.

Wow.

And I won't, we won't say what the article is or we won't say anything about it yet, but we were talking about food and

I was like, you know, like a whopper is so different from a Big Mac.

And she was like, Nick said the exact same thing.

Yes.

And she was like, you two are like,

you're just linked, like cosmically forever.

Yeah.

You said the exact, and I was like, I didn't know that he said that.

I had no idea that you said that.

This was that Ellen Cushing.

I don't know if the piece is out yet.

Ellen, a writer for The Atlantic, and we each talked to her independently.

Yes.

But yeah, we both said the same exact thing.

She also told me, it's like, I know you get this all the time, but my boyfriend is going to be so excited I'm talking to you.

And you were like, we should get her on the podcast.

And at this time, she hadn't asked me to talk.

And I was like, no, fuck that.

We can get a writing partner.

I was pissed off that I wasn't asked yet, but then I did get asked.

And now I love,

and now I'm a big fan.

But yeah,

we're the dumb modern Siskel and Ebert, I guess you could say.

I mean, way less popular.

There's a million things that are different.

Less influential.

Yeah.

Yes.

Let's talk a little bit about

our sex drive's much lower.

Ebert was a fucking hound, wasn't he?

Yeah, I don't know if we want to wade into that necessarily, but I wonder what he thought about Sherry.

I would have loved to have known.

Ebert would, I think, sometimes get a little horny in his writing.

He would.

Yeah.

I think Ebert would say to Sherry, I think you give it one thumb up if you catch my drift.

Jesus Christ.

It's jacking off with one thumb.

You know what I'm saying?

One thumb is up.

Yes,

I understand.

Yeah, we get it.

We understand.

We got it.

You jack it off and then, okay.

All right, fine.

Oh, what?

Oh, I crossed the line.

I crossed the line.

I don't like to speak ill of the dead, but.

I mean, he was famously a horny guy.

He was a horny guy.

I think we're speaking out of training.

He wrote a movie with Russ Meyer.

That's true.

100%.

You know, like, you don't, if you're, you know, you don't do that if you're trying to keep your horniness on the down low.

Right.

Like, that's, you're putting it out, putting it way out there.

Have you watched that movie?

I've never watched it.

Oh, it's great.

Is it really?

It's weird.

It's funny.

Yeah.

Wow.

I got to watch it.

It's on the Criterion Collection.

Wow.

And he has,

and he has a commentary track on it, too, which is really fun to listen to.

I didn't know about that comment.

Have you watched it ever?

Years ago.

Yeah.

I haven't revisited it.

I'd be interested by that commentary track, though.

Because it was one of the things that he would talk about is like, or what, like, it was, I always thought it was an interesting thing.

And I know there's more of that than you maybe think of, but like, because like Park John Wook was like a film critic who became a director, right?

Like that was kind of his path.

Like, it's like, but when you see someone who's a critic, but they, they also, like, were working in film in some capacity.

I don't know.

It's always kind of interesting.

Yeah, I heard, I heard Jay Sherman's directing stuff now, which is pretty cool.

Oh, that's great.

I'd love to see his artistic vision on the screen.

Yeah, I think It Stinks the movie is coming out next year.

That's oh, that sounds awesome.

Any other critic?

The Deus?

What other completely silent?

Just feverishly googling Jay.

Who is Jay Sherman?

Well, I should say The Deus is completely silent.

The room completely silent.

The world, possibly the world.

The whole world is silent.

But I got it.

Yeah.

Thank you.

Jay Sherman.

Do you know the critic?

It stinks.

You don't know Jay Sherman?

I know it.

I know.

Oh, we know.

Yeah.

I know.

What you're saying.

We just didn't like it.

That's fair.

That's fair.

To be fair, I think I learned about it from you doing impressions of that's probably what it is.

Yes, yes, yeah.

And Siskel and Ebert were guests on a really good episode

playing themselves.

I mean, they really inspired that show.

Yeah.

The whole idea of being like a TV film critic.

And they did an episode where they like break up up

and they sing songs really badly.

It's actually pretty funny.

It's a great episode.

My old boss, Al Gene, and Mike Reese were the creators of the episode.

But

did we ever ask you this?

I mean, this is insane.

It's a dumb question.

And we can edit this out, but are you partial to one or the other?

I don't know if you asked me.

I mean, I...

It's funny because I was always a big Ebert fan.

Sure.

Yeah.

His writing and, you know, like, I just enjoyed him more as a kid, like, because I could read his stuff online.

Are you a Chicago guy?

No, I'm from New Jersey.

Okay.

So, but Ebert's stuff was more available online.

So I was kind of always gravitated to him.

But then watching the show for the book, I kind of really began to appreciate one, both of them together, but also Gene was really good

on TV.

Like he did not give a shit who he was talking to.

He would tell them to their face that he thought they sucked.

He like literally interviewed.

Good thing he never was a guest on Doughboys.

He interviewed Paul McCartney for his wonderful movie, Give My Regards to Broad Street.

And he was like, he just insulted his movie to his face.

He's like, you're a wonderful musician, but I wish I could say I like this movie, but I didn't.

And Paul McCartney, you can see, has like, hasn't been told he does, has done anything bad in the last like 30 years.

Right.

And he's like, he doesn't, his brain malfunctions.

He doesn't know how to process being told he did something bad.

That's wild.

It's incredible.

And that's not an isolated example.

That happened over and over.

And I just love how, you know, if you're a critic, you got to be honest.

You got to be a truth teller.

And he really embraced that and really enjoyed that, frankly.

I think it was with Carson with Siskel and Ebert and Chevy Chase were all on together pretty much

appearance.

Yeah.

And it was just after three Amigo, or it was like opening weekend for three Amigos and Chevy Chase was promoting it and Gene Siskel just saying, it's a bad movie.

They both did.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He's sitting next to them.

Yeah, yeah.

Which I disagree with them on.

And it's funny when they would have ticks where you're like, oh, that is and has aged poorly it's like a great movie but not no a lot of times they were correct ebert's an interesting figure because i definitely read ebert more yes he was more

i lived in la and so like i'd read like the la times like local critics but like nationally yeah ebert was much more available online and and was a very online guy like like an early online presence but like i it both like he both was was very anti-video games which i didn't care for but also like he kind of got me into anime because he was so pro-anime and he he was one of the guys out there talking about like Akira and Ghost in the Shell and

Miyazaki films.

Like he was like real, like an early Western champion of like, this is great film.

This is good art.

This is stuff that anyone, you know, that you can't see it.

Like Western animation is not making the equivalent thing.

So like he was a great advocate for that.

So I don't know.

I would say it was, I was certainly a guy who was a, I was certainly very much of an Ebert kid.

But yeah, it's, it's, uh, they're, they're great guys.

And it's a, it's a fascinating read.

And I, I, like,

there just is nothing like them in terms of

how present they were in the culture anymore.

Other than you guys, obviously.

Other than us.

Yes.

What we do is just as important.

I think that imagine just having a show like that every week still that was that good.

A Cisco at the movies every single, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah, I know.

Yeah, it just doesn't exist.

It doesn't exist.

I mean, there are podcasts.

There's millions of movie podcasts, but the vibe of Sisco and Ebert where like they legitimately disliked each other

and would fight constantly.

Yes.

I mean, hey, Griffin Sims, modern day Siskel and Ebert, but also chemistry.

But I was going to say, just new movies talked about each week, which the world just doesn't even care that much anymore.

We're talking about this new streaming movie.

You know, who gives a shit?

Yeah.

Also, what are you going to put?

Give Griffin Newman a 22-minute time limit?

How's he going to work in syndication?

That's a great point.

Yeah.

Just wouldn't happen.

Yeah.

Okay, let's talk about your ongoing feature.

Yeah.

At the movies with Griffin Sims like cutting into like the like the Super Bowl.

It's going so long.

Now entering day four of this episode at the movies.

Griffin Sims.

Your ongoing feature, Matt Singer is Stupid, which we talked about behind the paywall.

I really enjoy.

You eat movie tie-in menus, TV tie-in menus.

I will say, and we should discuss this because we ended up on different planets on the IHOP Indiana Jones menu, which we did an episode about in recent weeks.

That's right.

And you and Griffin, who went together, had a pretty negative experience.

We went to

an IHOP that was hitting, and we were pretty happy with it.

The theme was bad, but the theming was nonsensical.

Indiana Jones, the Great Circle, and we're doing square foods.

It was nonsense.

But it's my Glendale test.

That IHOP, that IHOP, have we had a bad experience?

It's a great IHOP.

It's a great I-HOP.

Yeah.

It's a good I-HOP.

Well, the downtown Brooklyn, not to put them on blast, the downtown Brooklyn IHOP, maybe not as good as the Glendale IHOP.

Sometimes it can be execution, but I think there is something to when they try to have one of these promotions that they scale up nationally.

It's like some, yeah, yeah, you will get,

I've certainly encountered that with Denny's.

It was Denny's had the Betelgeuse menu, right?

Yes, it did.

Denny's Betelgeuse menu, I feel like, was all over the map.

Weird.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And so I think sometimes that that's part of the promotional calculus is like, or how effective it is, is how consistent can they make it nationally.

Yeah, I mean, they're asking a lot sometimes.

Yeah, for for sure.

Yeah, make four different kinds of stuffed French toast or, yeah, like Betelgeuse pancakes with icing and chocolate and sprinkles.

Yeah, they just had like different colored sprinkles

at different Denny's locations.

They also had like a life-size stand of Jeffree Jones saying, come on in, which I thought was really

disorienting.

Disorienting.

Yeah.

Because in the movie, he's already, you know, the top half of it was chopped off.

The whole band was playing.

The whole M5 that we mentioned earlier.

They're all together playing in the lobby.

Here's one of your recent ones that I read that I wanted to ask you about.

Jack Lynx Red Light, Green Light, Squid Game Beef Jerky.

Yeah.

What is that?

Like, how do they, how do you arrive at a squid game beef jerky?

What is that?

The red light, green light, beef jerky.

But like, I understand

where the red light, green, like, I understand what they were going for, but like, it just seems like such a distant connection from the squid game IP to get to Jack Lynx Beef Jerky.

And all things to like do a tie-in for.

Like the message of Squid Game.

Does that really vibe with like buy more beef jerky?

Exactly, yeah, right.

Yeah, it just seems so bizarre.

And it didn't taste any different than regular beef jerky either, which is another issue.

A whole separate issue.

I was watching, I was watching YouTube last night.

Cool.

And thank you.

And the LA Tri-Guy, which I like, and I think I really like LA Tri-Guy.

You know him, right?

This guy here, the LA Tri-Guy.

Yeah.

He went to the Netflix-themed Vegas restaurants.

I was reading about this.

And that, it just seems like it's a place that you would want to try.

I mean,

look, I did have some tirade on a past episode about Netflix,

a bad company in many ways.

But

I was like, it would be interesting to go there and try it.

And I wonder how, my guess is that the food cannot be great, but they had a red light, green light, light, spinning wheel for chicken, and like you would dip your chicken into whatever color came up or whatever.

Oh, boy.

And so the red was very hot and the green was was the red was very spicy and the green was not spicy.

It seems like there's at least, I guess, some production value or some pizzazz with the Vegas installation.

I don't know how long if it's going to be there, if it's going to be a pop-up or if it's going to be a permanent fixture.

The Vegas thing that I think is really weird is that, and we've talked about this, but the Taylor Sheridan Steakhouse.

You were mentioning this to me

on our incredibly cool text thread with Griffin Newman.

The nerdiest ongoing conversation I have in my life is the three of us sending links to these idiotic things.

Yay, Sheridan Steakhouse.

Taylor Sheridan Steakhouse.

Yellowstone Steakhouse.

Yeah,

it's like a, I think it's like Pan across the entire Sheridan verse.

It's like got all of his different IPs.

Wow.

The Sheridan verse.

Wow.

And

it is themed.

It's like a fancy, I forget exactly

what the name is, but like, yeah, it's in the wind.

It's fancy as shit, but like Taylor Sheridan's brand is all over it.

1923.

That's true.

I went to the Steakhouse in the Wind.

Did I accidentally go to the Taylor Sheridan one?

Let me look it up.

You probably, because there's another steakhouse there.

You probably didn't because it's pretty recent.

I don't know when's the last time you went to Vegas.

It's a little bit dystopian, right?

I mean, like, are you interested in going to the Netflix?

I mean, a part of me thinks it would be good content, quote unquote, right?

But yeah, right.

I think that's the reason to go, and that's kind of the reason to do anything we do, right?

Okay, so the 46's Ranch Steakhouse is the

takeover of the tab, the restaurant tableau within the Wind Tower suites.

It is Sheridan, Taylor Sheridan, the ranch owner known for Yellowstone 1883 and 1923, has reignited the spirit of the American West through his compelling narratives.

46's Ranch Steakhouse highlights prime steaks and cuts from 4-6's Ranch.

The menu uses only ingredients that are local to Texas and have bold, fiery flavors.

This is so stupid.

So he says he did like a western-y show and

the 1888, it was 1883 is the, is the Yellowstone 1883, 1923.

What's the new one he's got?

The oil show?

Oh, right.

Lawman or something.

Right.

And how's it called?

There's so many.

Where there's that conversation with the daughter and the dad about

Billy Bob Thornton about like fucking or whatever.

It's like a weird

make sure he doesn't nut inside you is like basically what the conversation is.

It's bizarre.

It's very bizarre.

I loved it.

Land man.

Land man.

Everyone's favorite Marvel hero.

Land man.

It does seem like a later Mega Man kind of bad guy, the land man.

It'd be cool, though.

I bet the result would be that you could shoot out little platforms you can jump on.

Oh, yeah, like you make little like because he creates land.

He makes little land masses.

Mitch, that is pretty great.

Thank you.

Capcom, if you're listening, Capcom.

A new good Mega Man game.

I know they have, they've made them, but they are like in the classic style, right?

They're the old school style.

They're also hard.

I, yeah,

I gotta, I gotta refresh my memory on what the Mega Man franchise is in 2025.

What was that side-scroller one that were like, you're jumping around and it's like, it was like the big great one that came out like a few years years ago you be less specific

it's about depression or some shit oh celeste celeste i love celeste that's great that's what yeah i like fantastic mega man like celeste you know what i'm saying is that possible kind of in that can you make that for us right now oh yeah all right i'll open it up great and it is about depression or some right isn't it at the end of it it is like that story i think has a really good as a that game has a really good narrative um i i love i love celeste i have i finished celeste i have a celeste poster in my home office you know who i love mama celeste

celeste's mom yeah The pizza lady.

I always wanted Mama Celeste and the Red Baron to get together.

Yeah, that would be cute.

That would be great.

Taylor's Cut Inside Skirt Steak is their,

oh, I guess one of their signature things.

So they have a Taylor-themed steak for $72.

You know where I want to go in Vegas Steakhouse?

The Golden Steer.

I've never been.

Oh, yeah, that's a classic steak.

That's a classic old steakhouse.

What Taylor Sheridan TV show is that themed to?

Or movie, I see.

I think it's about that one scene where Billy Bob Thornton's talking to his daughter.

Let's talk about theme parks a little bit because that's part of the impetus for your L.A.

visit.

You spend a couple of days in the Disney parks.

You're going to the Universal Parks.

You've already been to Disney at this point.

Yes, I have.

Okay.

Took my kids.

You're a theme park guy.

I don't know if I want to be branded with that brush because I feel like that is an incredible name.

There's like a negative connotation

of joy.

Theme parks, absolutely.

Right.

You don't want to be the guy.

You're an enthusiast.

so you're a Disney adult correct exactly that's exactly what I was worried about where this is gonna go yes um okay so you just were at the Disney park so can I ask you a question yes how bad is uh the Star Wars land and why is it so bad we we predicted this was gonna happen when we were away did you really yes yes uh I hate to break it to you my children loved it they loved it

Look, they loved it.

You're a smart man.

I bet your children are smart, but like in general,

there's a butt coming right now about how

kids are.

In general, children as a whole are pretty dumb.

I mean, that's, you're not wrong.

And so I'm like,

anything Star Wars.

But the kids really love Star Wars?

It's like a big, it's like, I feel like I could take them up into like the valley and show them like just like a desert hill.

And it was the same difference as fucking Galaxy's Edge.

No, they were pretty into it.

They love

flying the Millennium Falcon.

They're wrong.

I'll sit them down afterwards and tell them they're wrong, but they love that.

Can I be honest with you?

Ground their asses.

They loved, they loved the Rise of the Resistance ride.

Okay.

I understand that being more enjoyable.

And I think it's still for what it is.

I think it's.

I mean, we did the Millennium Falcon ride.

They got to pilot my two girls.

They walk out.

Yeah.

Well, okay.

And now I also understand if you're piloting, which

that ride, I would say that

undeniable that that ride sucks.

I think the ride sucks.

For a new ride, Star Tours is better than that ride.

I have not ridden the ride, so I can't comment.

The 30-year-old ride authority, but I will say I don't like having tasks when I'm doing on a ride.

Like, I feel like too many, this is the new approach to ride design.

Everything I feel like sends Buzz Light your Astro Blasters in like, hey, we're going to give you a task and you can succeed or fail.

And I was like, that's not what I like about this experience.

I like that it's a passion.

Astro Blasters is like the only one that I enjoy.

Astro Blasters is the best iteration of it.

The Toy Story one too where you shoot stuff, whatever it is.

The other one's Midway Mania.

Midway Mania is okay.

It's funny that you say this because

I took my kids, but my wife's family is with us.

And their son,

I love checking in with him and getting his opinions.

He's a little older.

And I asked him, like, what was your favorite?

And he's like, we were talking about one of these rides.

Maybe it was Buzz Lightyear or whatever.

And he was like, I just like because...

I liked it because I got to do something.

The exact opposite of what we're saying.

Because I tend to agree with you too.

Like, I like to kind of be immersed and be a little more like let let you this is your job you entertain me you yes you do the work yeah and he had the exact opposite take which was like i don't want to just sit here like he likes oh he liked the spider-man ride at california adventure because he got to shoot webs and right do things interesting whereas you know the grown-ups now i actually love spider-man so i'm not the right person to ask about this but you know my wife and

They're like, I literally just sit there and do this with my hands.

Like, that's not a ride.

That's like, you know, it's an exhaustion.

It's exhausting my arms.

Right.

But for a kid, it's like, I got to do something.

That's very funny.

I wonder if that's like a generational thing of just like growing up with interactivity just like everywhere.

It's just like, you know, you had the like tablets and video games.

They're so omnipresent.

I grew up with video games as well, but like it was like a very, it was not, it was not everywhere.

It was not, I didn't have a fucking slot machine in my pocket I carried with me.

I'm still wondering if I even like Midway Mania.

I do like Astro Blasters, but Midway Mania is okay.

It's okay.

Yeah.

Oh, but we, I just wanted to say, so we came out of the Millennium.

They fly the Millennium Falcon.

Yeah.

We walk out the door and Chewie is hanging out outside inspecting the Millennium Falcon.

Okay.

My younger daughter is dressed like Princess Leia.

Okay.

And she's like, let's go, let's go meet him.

He'll recognize me.

And we were like, okay, dear.

And we walk up and Chewie is like,

wow.

And he's like, he's like,

you know, like being sweet with her.

He poses for this amazing picture with them.

And I'm like, okay, that's pretty good.

That's pretty good.

I'm, I'm sorry.

And kids are great.

And I, and look, I apologize to all kids for saying that you're all mostly dumb.

They're not all mostly dumb.

Kids are, kids like what they like.

And

I, and I, in a way, I'm like a big kid, wise.

I, I, I'm very, I just am, I, I wear my heart on my sleeve with some of this stuff.

But I think a part of the reason I don't like it is one, I think it is boring, but two, I think that

that sucks.

And two, I think it sucks.

Oh, yeah, yeah, you know, that's it.

No,

for what it could have been, and also knowing that Disney executives or whatever, the Disney, the higher brass up there at Disney were like, we're cutting back on the costs of this.

And you're like, you make the most money of anyone in the world.

You, you, you're basically a monopoly in the entertainment industry at this point, which sucks.

They're one of the bad ones with Netflix.

I know I shouldn't be talking about this, but it's the truth.

They are bad.

They pay horribly.

It's true.

They were trying to make the, when we went on strike, our unions went on strike,

them and Netflix were the ones that were trying to, they were the ones that were holding out basically the whole time.

I know your stance on Elon, Elon.

Would you send trade Bob Iger for bin Laden?

Bob Iger, Bob Iger is

an Ithaca alum.

Isn't it a lot of

sweatshirt?

But yeah, I'd send him fucking to hell.

Fuck you.

Bye, Iger.

You know my stance.

Iger out, I grew in.

I'd love that stance.

Wow.

I'd fix that.

You want to go to hell?

Yeah.

I just, for what it could have been, and also it's like just their stances on stuff.

It's like, it's going to be all the new movies.

Okay, bad idea.

It's going to like where they got too precious about the timeline.

Supposedly, I think they're going to start changing.

Like, I heard something about like Luke Skywalker is going to be hanging out there.

But now you got to like, you got to retrofit all this stuff into this world.

And that's like also like a land you don't care about.

my idea which i think was a great idea which i told you is that it should have been little parts of different lands of star war i agree there should have been like an indoor area there should have been a hoth area why not with how explore the different biomes that's what people like about walking around there's like so much stuff

that's fine

and then also

It's like, it was like a land issue, and it's like, you're Disney.

You can make anything happen.

Isn't that the

like you can't?

That was the, that's Waltz.

He was the imagination man.

You can make anything happen.

And you're not following that rule throughout the park.

No.

Because you've got Tarzan's treehouse coexisting next to Indiana, the Indiana Jones ride.

You clearly are not precious about maintaining an internal cannon within the grounds of the park.

So

who cares?

Yeah,

it's a bummer to me.

And also, even the cantina, I'm like, it's become such a thing of like...

It should be much bigger.

There should be way more interactive stuff in there.

There should be people behind their bars.

There should be character actors.

People should be fighting.

People should be fighting.

You should be killed, perhaps.

I I want some Twilight Dancers for dad.

Hello.

I mean, hello.

You're not wrong.

You should, you like, and now it's like, go in, you order 220, and then you're, there's a time limit, and you got to leave.

And it's like, it should be like more of like a sit-down.

It should be huge.

It should be huge, like, so much.

It should be like five times bigger than it is.

But, anyways, I'm going to make the cantina bigger, folks.

Don't make me love that guy more.

I, I will, uh, too small.

Cantina's too small.

I think you do make some good points, and I will sit my children down after I get home.

I know you said it was the best day of your life, and it was so cool, but I'm sorry.

You are wrong and dumb.

They'll get it.

Once they get to 40, they'll understand.

They'll understand.

Sit down.

When you're 40, you'll understand how wrong you are.

Was it their favorite part of the park, would you say?

Oh, by far.

Wow.

By far.

That's wild.

Wow.

By far.

Yes.

I wonder if that's the case.

Maybe it is.

Maybe all kids love it.

And I am just, I'm just, I'm off here.

Yeah.

But did you, did you ride Tiana's?

We did.

How was it?

It was, it was pretty good.

I'm sad that I didn't catch you there on one of my protest days.

I was, I was in the back of the

log or whatever.

And so I stayed dry.

My my wife and my daughter were in the front and it literally looked like they had been like dunked dunked submerged against their will underwater they were they were soaked so they didn't like it as much how was how was the ride i haven't i have not i've not ridden the ride yet so i mean it's i it's the same ride it's just got yeah it's got like there's no story i guess i don't know how much Why isn't there a story in Tiana's by new adventure?

Like, I don't know how much that really matters, but it's just like you're floating along and there's some nice music and then there's a cool drop.

And if you're in the front, I guess you, you know, it's miserable, watery experience.

But

pleasant.

I remember

the thing we've heard from podcast that rides Mike Carlson is that it's, they've, there's the scary is gone.

And that is not scary.

That's the one thing because I did like the ominous feeling you had going up that drop when you were on the old version.

Yes.

And so that's, that's maybe, I don't know.

That's the maybe muting that a little bit feels like a miscalculation.

Yeah, it's probably a little better for kids, I guess.

But again, we've established they're dumb and they don't have good opinions so maybe that was a mistake perhaps i should i do not think your children are dumb i doubled down i'm sure you're right no no no no no

i'm around i mean look i chose to be here to get away from them so clearly

clearly you know you're you might not be that far off i sometimes try to be a rabble rouser on this podcast and sometimes i might go a little too far i uh so i've been looking i've been a little bit buried in the wikipedia for mega man games because the mega man franchise is so sprawling but i think you know if you're if you're getting rid of like omitting mobile games because obviously there's the there's the mainline mega man franchise there's the mega man x franchise uh there's the mega man legends franchise which is dormant there's a bunch of different ones that have you know what was your favorite mega man x

or x isn't x2 also

i am though i mean the x's are good but i am i have so much nostalgia for mega man 2 specifically because i feel like Mega Man 2 really perfected the formula established in Mega Man in the same way that, like, sometimes a video game sequel just absolutely, it's like the Dark Knight.

It's just like, oh, you know exactly what worked about this, and you just have executed a better version that gets to kind of skip the less fun parts.

Like you just, you just know how to make this thing at this point.

I think Mega Man 2 is just so well, well realized.

But the last mainline Mega Man was back in 2018, Mega Man 11.

And that was another one with a retro aesthetic Mitch.

Right.

You remember, you and I both remember when Mega Man 10 came out, and that was a big deal because Mega Man 10 is like, oh, wow.

I guess Mega Man 9 and 10 in short succession.

Those were games that look like the old Famicom NES games

and played like them too.

Yeah, they were tough as nails.

Mega Man 11 was another attempt at that that I didn't really

spend a lot of time with, but it was well regarded.

But no Landman in any of those games.

No Landman, as far as I can tell.

Landman.

Let me look up actually.

It's like definitely an Earth character.

I remember Woodman.

Woodman.

Oh, but Woodman's from Mega Man 2.

Cut Man.

Cutman, yeah.

Cutman's Mega Man 1, yeah.

Sheep Man.

Wasn't Sheep Man 1.

Sheepman comes a little bit later.

Yeah, hold on.

Now I got to look at the Mega Man Robot Masters.

We got cookies to discuss, but you got me on a table.

Yeah, we can't spend too much time on the Mega Man Robot Masters.

Okay, hold on.

So.

On account of the cookies we have to talk about.

Yeah.

You know what?

Kids are not.

The kids are pretty smart, comparatively.

The podcast that talks about cookies and Mega Man bosses.

Mega Man 11, which was

the 81st through 88th of his robot masters, Dr.

Wiley's Robot Masters.

Block Man, Fuse Man, Blast Man, Acid Man, Tundra Man, Torch Man, Impact Man, and Bounce Man.

So we're not far off from Land Man, honestly.

There is a ground man

who was established.

Concrete Man.

That's pretty close.

Yeah, Sheep Man is Mega Man 10, Mitch.

So that was a recent one.

The headgun hunks call me Blast Man because they hear me going to the bathroom all the time.

concrete man concrete man yeah that's funny tornado man splash woman that's nice

there you go concrete man is like what a karen calls like a construction worker

get that concrete man to be quiet um

what's your name tell me your name concrete man concrete man

um

i now i want to play a new i want to play mega man again i seven years if since the last one it's time yeah is there a new one coming Is it seven years since the last one?

I thought there was a new one.

Yeah, 2018 was Mega Man 11.

I thought there was a new one.

I thought there was like a recent one or maybe one that's coming out.

I mean, there may have been a remaster.

I'm just, I'm probably forgetting something that happened, but I think the last mainline entry was Mega Man 11.

You never made the jump to 3D, huh?

No, that was the Mega Man Legends were 3D.

The PlayStation games.

Oh, I never played them.

Are they decent or no?

Decent, yeah.

Ms.

Adventures of Tron Bonds, fun.

I feel like Metroid shows that any game could be...

When Metroid Prime came out, you're like, oh, any game, I guess, could just be 3D if we wanted to.

Yeah, I mean, everyone was so skeptical about Metroid Prime, but that game works so well.

You know, yeah, it's really, really good.

Let's talk a little bit about

pro wrestling before we get into Mrs.

Fields, because I know there's another thing.

I know you're a fan of the Squared Circle.

Yes, I am.

The subreddit, the Squared Circle.

I mean, I do look at that.

So do I.

Yeah, I look at it as well.

Yeah.

Do you like like who are, do you have any all-time favorites?

Do you have any current feds you're following?

I watch AEW.

That's the one I like.

I mean, my favorite guy these days is Orange Cassidy.

Oh, hell yeah.

I think he is fabulous.

Yes, yeah.

I just think he's the funniest.

Orange Cassidy, for non-wrestling fans,

I think is very often like someone that...

Anyone can go to a wrestling show and appreciate his just commitment to physicality.

Yeah, just YouTube, like Orange Cassidy, watch one of his, really his older stuff even is even better.

Yeah, he's like, his character is Paul Rudd from Wet Hot American Summer as a wrestler.

Yes.

That's his entire character.

It's great.

And he just, he wears denim.

He, he wears sunglasses, and he's just very relaxed.

And puts his hands in his pockets.

He puts his hands in his pockets, but he's actually like, that's the, that's the gimmick of him is that he's actually a really good wrestler.

Yeah.

He's like, he acts like it's very, like, oh, I don't want to do this.

But then he'll turn it on and he'll do flips.

And, and he's just like, he's like a.

I mean, a lot of wrestling, I think, is like physical comedy.

People don't really look at it that way because it's, you know, we're very macho and buff.

And, but a lot of it is like physical.

It's, you know, it's, it's physical storytelling.

It's like an action movie.

It's choreographed in some ways.

It's vaudeville.

It's vaudeville in a way I like about the minions.

That's the thing that with Blue Wags and I away when we went to PWG.

Yeah, where we've seen Orange Cassidy at PWG.

Yeah.

And it was just that sort of thing of like, man, these guys are so funny and they like do such a good job with their bodies.

It's like when Joe came on and I complimented Samoa Joe.

Short.

He's great.

He's the best.

And I was, I was, I was just like, when you watched him on set and he was just like doing very Marx Brothers type stuff, he was just walking down a hallway and you're like, oh man, that's so fucking cool.

And it's, and I'm like, I don't do that.

I just fucking loaf down the hallway.

You know what I mean?

Fucking sucks.

He's awesome.

I mean, he could, he could, he's, I'm, I mean, I've never met him in person, but he looks so intimidating, but he can also be hilariously funny.

Just like people will jump at him in a match and he'll just move out of the way, like casually.

Like that's one of his like kind of repertoire of moves is to defeat someone by just being aware that they're going to jump at him and just sidestepping slightly.

I always,

I mean, mean, I've said this to you, but like I could tell on days, because it was like long days and be tough days.

And when days the Joe was annoyed, and I said it to him before, I'd be like, well, I'm just not going to talk to you today because he's like, like, he is, he's an intimidating man.

We've said this.

It's like, when you shook his hand, it's like, it feels like a boy shaking like a, like, like a, like a 40-year-old man's hand when I was a kid.

Right.

Just having my small hand, like he could easily crush my bones if he wanted to.

And you got some baseball mitts.

I got baseball mitts, and I still feel like I feel like a little wimp next to that guy.

He's incredible.

It's like that old man.

And also, the kindest, he's so the nicest.

Lovely man.

Yeah, yeah.

Been very good to, very, very good to the Dollboys.

Some would say too good.

Yeah.

It's got better things to do.

Yeah.

It's, yeah.

Like, do you, do you get to make it out to shows ever?

I know you've got a family, you know?

Well, sometimes.

I've been to.

I mean,

you were talking about PWG, which is like, I don't think it's really even around anymore.

No, like, they've stopped running it.

I think partly because of the rise of AEW.

A lot of that indie talent has been absorbed into AEW.

Yeah, so I never, like, I would have loved to have gone to one of those.

Those are like, those were like the mecca of cool shows at the time.

If they come back, you gotta, Carlson said there was rumblings of them coming back.

It's such a great, it's a great night whenever we would do it.

When we were going a lot, back in the day, back in Resita?

Yeah, it was fantastic.

Yeah, I went to a few of those.

I have some like Blu-rays of those shows.

They seem really fun.

But yeah, I've been to like AEW shows in New York.

They do shows at Arthur Ashe, which are a lot of fun.

I went to a few of those.

Oh, yeah.

I'm a super, I'm a nerd in so many different ways.

Are you checking in on WWE at all anymore?

Just a few times to Netflix.

Not really.

Yeah, sometimes, but I don't know.

I think just the style of AEW.

Yeah.

I kind of just appreciate a lot of those guys, like the Kenny Omegas.

Yes, for sure.

The Young Bucks, like that style of, you know, they have like a more athletic style, I suppose.

I hope some people, I don't know.

Samoa Joe is now in AEW, but I'm just worried someone from WWE is going to be like, he's making these single not athletic.

Oh, no.

I mean, let's get him.

I will watch WWE just for Chad Gable, who is like, he's great.

Yeah.

I mean, there's a world, yeah.

Yeah, I'll casually turn on.

I guess I don't know.

Who has time to follow one wrestling federation, much less two?

Yeah, that's the

absorbs so much of your time.

I find myself, I fall off of, and I do like AEW quite a bit, but I fall off of it during the NBA season because I'm like, how much, how much sports or sports entertainment can one man watch?

But then there are also people who are just like, I'm watching New Japan.

I'm watching, they're watching fucking everything.

I've been to to New Japan shows.

Those are fun too.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

It's pathetic.

Yeah.

No.

No.

But again, that steakhouse in Japan, which we've talked about, that steakhouse later on.

They get the big deal.

Yes.

Where they give you the jacket.

Ribera's steakhouse.

Jeffrey is not great, but still, I want to use that.

Well, we're big wrestling fans.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But

you have not watched it.

Once the NBA season is going, I'm just distracted by, you know,

all the

all the games and all the transactions.

You're going to go in March, though, right?

AEW is going to March.

Oh, well, whatever.

I'm not going to force you to go.

No, I was planning on going.

All right.

I just thought that we were maybe going to tease, but yeah.

Oh, okay.

All right, but we can edit shit out.

I don't give a shit.

It doesn't matter.

Should we talk about, we got to talk about cookies, but should we talk about our recent trip to Legacy Effects at all?

Because Casey was there.

Sure.

I just thought it was very

great.

It was great.

Shout out to Damon, who told us he was a listener, showed us around.

It was a very, very incredible, just like seeing all that practical stuff that they build over there.

I had a black.

I do great work.

Yeah.

We see some secrets, maybe?

Possibly.

Yeah, maybe.

Some of us saw secrets.

You missed the secrets.

I missed the one secret.

Did we see secrets?

We didn't, actually.

I missed the one secret.

I was like, did it look like this?

And you guys are like, yeah.

I was like, oh,

I don't give a shit.

We won't say what the secret was, but

I did miss the big secret.

There's other, there are secrets that I saw.

It's always, hadn't you you weren't there i've never been there before yeah and the last time i went that i did i saw the the the alien from this i saw stuff from romulus last time i was there yeah

pre-romulous pre-romulus and then romulus came out and you're like hey it's that thing hey it's that thing yeah i said i was

not enjoying myself at the movie but their work always looks good yeah yeah yeah no they're doing good work over there yeah it's a very cool experience

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So let's talk about Mrs.

Fields.

Mrs.

Fields was founded by the eponymous Debbie Fields in 1977.

By the way, for bringing Palo Alto.

Shout out to Ben Simpson, a true champ.

It was founded by Debbie Fields in 1977 in Palo Alto.

Mrs.

Fields was only 21 years old when the first store opened.

Wow.

Sold the brand to a group of investors in 1992, I believe.

It merged with Frozen Yogurt Chain This Can't Be Yogurt, aka T C B Y in 2000.

Company was then sold to a private equity firm, Z Capital Partners, who may have resold it at this point, but it's under private equity ownership, as all these chains are.

And it has over 300 locations between Mrs.

Fields and TCBY worldwide.

Now, Mitch, I mentioned this in my intro, which I know you never listened to, but I'll say it here because I think this is really fascinating context.

There was a time in the 1970s when, at the same time, the Oakland Athletics, which were founded, I think in 1968, 1969,

Moneyball team.

They were a pretty, yeah, they would later be the team of Moneyball.

But they were.

They changed the MLB.

They sure did.

And they changed culture in a lot of ways because.

Scott Hatterberg.

That's right, Mitch.

Did you just watch the movie?

Scott Hatterberg, played by.

Was it played by Chris Pratt?

I think so.

Hatterberg and Chris Pratt.

Wow.

I think it was.

My old friends.

So

that book's a great read, by the way.

It's really good.

Saw the movie.

I knew it.

I also followed baseball at so much during this time that I read everything about it.

I read the book Teammates about the Red Sox players.

Oh, how about that?

Yeah, you should check that out.

Yeah.

Halberston, I think, wrote it.

No, do you know?

I don't know that's right.

David Halberston.

David Halberston.

So in the early 1970s, there was a period for the Oakland A's who were a recent expansion team where...

Moneyball.

Yep.

That's right, Mitch.

Have you seen the movie lately?

Actually,

I have not re-watched that movie since theaters, probably.

I have not seen Moneyball in forever.

Billy Bean.

Billy Bean.

That's right.

The GM of the Oakland A's.

They renamed the character.

Baseball forever.

Jonah Hill's character.

Jonah Hill's character is a, they renamed in the movie because he was so like the, I guess,

in the real story,

he was either, I can't remember in the book if he was a former baseball player himself, but he was like, I think a much different type of guy.

And so when they made the movie, they were just like, well, you know, let's just rename him.

That's funny.

Yeah.

He wasn't like a big fat guy.

He's kind of like a more athletic guy.

He's like another Billy.

Sure, but like, also, baseball is the one where you can be like you can be.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Babe Bruth, one of the most famous swags.

That's true.

Another guy, Kevin Euclid, a big part of that, the Greek god of walks.

That's right.

He was just to give people more insight into moneyball.

So anyway, this is on-base percentage actually meant a lot.

That's the thing.

Okay.

A walk is the same as a hit.

Either way, you're getting on base.

And if you never get out, you can play the game forever.

So the main thing you should be, your main goal should be avoiding outs.

Anyway, but this was decades before Moneyball, Mitch.

This was in the early 1970s, before analytics had come to baseball, when the game was perhaps a little bit more pure.

Yes, Nick, you're right.

And also that poor executive that had to be played by Jonah Hill, as you're implying, who is much more in shape.

I'm just standing up for big guys who have to play.

I'm sure, oh, sorry, Brad Pitt couldn't.

I'm sure Billy Bean was so upset about Brad Pitt playing.

I think Billy Bean was like a hunk.

Billy Bean was like a very handsome base, like former baseball player.

But I think they were kind of like, in a movie sense, having another one of those guys doesn't maybe, you know, should be different.

Should be able to get jackets.

You can jacket to it.

Anyway, Billy Bean.

I mean, Brad Pitt is Billy Bean.

You can jacket.

Look, it's a moneyball movie.

You can jacket to it.

There's no doubt.

I'm watching, you know, I'm watching Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, and I'm like, I can't jack it to this.

And he gets up on that roof, takes his shirt off.

I can't jack it out.

Jacket of that.

Anyway, so

anyway,

1970,

the Oakland Athletics.

Go on.

At the same time.

I was waiting.

Just waiting.

Go on.

At the same time,

working as a bat boy was the man who had become MC Hammer, and working as a ball girl was the woman who had become Mrs.

Fields.

Oh, my God.

MC Hammer and Mrs.

Fields were working together for the Oakland A's organization as on-field talent.

Isn't that wild?

I ship those two.

Is that what it's called?

Shipping?

Yeah, you can ship.

I ship those two.

A team of destiny.

It is a team of destiny.

That's wild.

You might be also, bitch, you might also be shipping yourself and

Mrs.

Fields.

Young Mrs.

Fields.

Oh, my God.

Quite a looker.

Hey, you know my catchphrase.

I could jack it to that.

I thought it might be Moneyball.

There she is a little bit later.

I got my own catchphrase wrong.

I could crank it to that.

She's a looker.

Well, you made a joke.

Is there a Mr.

Fields?

And I think I would ask that question.

She is very, very pretty.

Did I make that joke?

In the kitchen.

You made that joke.

Yeah, you made that joke.

Is there a Mr.

Fields?

No.

Because I almost said, Mitch, it might be you when you see a picture of Mrs.

Fields, but I knew Ice was going to show it to you on the episode, so I didn't say it.

You said, is there a Mr.

Fields?

I said, you were you ate all the cookies and you feel good.

And you said, I'm not feeling too good, Mrs.

Mrs.

Fields.

I was doing the Avengers line.

Oh, yeah, the Avengers line, right?

Yeah.

I don't think I said that.

Did you say that?

Is there a Mr.

Fields?

I did say that.

Might have been a bit of a.

Oh, maybe it was you.

I did say that.

That's another one.

That's her aunt working for the team.

Jesus Christ.

Oh, so that's clearly an underage.

She's like,

everyone is showing me pic.

Everyone's showing me horny pictures today.

I wish I had some on my business.

What is that?

Is that verse?

Everybody, pull up your horny pictures.

Everyone, take up horny pictures.

Yeah, Mrs.

Fields.

Yeah.

No, no more horny pictures.

I got the crank banks built.

I don't have to, I don't need anymore.

So

we talked about a few different chains that we could do here.

Mrs.

Fields was one of the ones you pitched.

It's remarkably a chain that we've never covered in close to 500 episodes of Doughboys.

I don't know how we've missed Mrs.

Fields, Mitch, but this is our first

voyage to Mrs.

Fields.

Yeah, I don't get it.

Do you have

our maiden Fields trip, if you will?

Do you have a...

Wait, didn't you steal that from the

box?

They make that joke on the box of cookies.

Fucking.

You hacked, you stole a bit

Carlos Mencia of stealing stuff from boxes

Wow, the box joke thief.

I love it What made you think like like why Mrs.

Fields?

Do you have any sort of affection for this chain?

A little bit actually.

I mean the

I mean I'm surprised.

I am surprised.

Well the reason why is

one of the things that we got is something that I just like immediately when I saw that name, I thought of which was the cookie cake.

Yes.

As a kid, and this may be a hot take.

It may not just be my kids that are dumb.

It may be me.

I like a cookie cake was my favorite cake as a kid.

It's a good, it's a fun cake.

I would rather have like a cookie cake than like a birthday cake, especially.

Wow.

To be honest with you, sounds like you were a dumb kid.

I like, especially, like, I don't like a chocolate cake.

Too much.

I like, I like a vanilla cake.

Okay.

I agree with you there.

I like a vanilla cake.

The actual cake is vanilla

and vanilla dough, I guess.

And then

yellow cake.

Yellow cake.

But I like chocolate frosting on there.

I also will go ice cream cake over a cookie cake.

I do like an ice cream cake.

Ice cream cake is fun.

So I, so I loved it.

I loved the Mrs.

Fields cookie cake as a kid.

And I would ask for it for like birthdays or like, and I have like a weird, vivid memory of like for my brother's birthday one year, going to the mall.

where there was the Mrs.

Fields cookie, the Freehold Raceway Mall in Freehold, New Jersey, where I grew up.

Wow.

And going and picking it up like with my mom because I was like so excited for, I would go with her to pick it up.

Yeah.

And then I used to work in that mall later when I was a teenager.

I worked at a comic book store.

Yet another year.

What year were we talking about?

This is now the late 90s into the early 2000s.

Moneyball period.

Moneyball period.

That's what I always call it.

And I was working, I was like in end of high school into college, like summers, I would work at this comic book store in the mall.

And like, if it was a really shitty day, I would go and get Mrs.

Fields cookies afterwards.

I love it.

So I liked actually,

I haven't had it since then, probably.

But when I saw it, I'm like, does it still exist?

Which is maybe not a good sign for Mrs.

Fields.

But when I was like, oh, it does.

I was like, oh, that would be fun.

Is it cookies that are now like, can you get Mrs.

Fields cookies in the grocery store?

Is that like...

So it seems like I don't think they have grocery store distribution.

Okay.

It seems like what they have is they have their old standby mall stores and they're also trying to scale up a like nationwide delivery system

but i will say like their online infrastructure is just crude compared to like insomnia or crumble they do not have the those those companies were designed from the ground up for apps and there's not the equivalent with mrs fields in fact it's even a little cumbersome to figure out how to order something for in-store to the point amelia where i think you couldn't even do that right you just had to go in person how did that all work out yeah the pickup time was too late right uh the earliest pickup time available.

So I just went in store and ordered it.

Right.

Which we'll talk about in a second.

But yeah, I would say Mrs.

Fields for me was a thing where I liked it as a kid.

And then I, God, it's been at least 20 years, maybe longer, since I've had a Mrs.

Fields cookie.

But it was a thing.

It was just like, oh, yeah, it's there.

Do I want that?

Do I want Cinnabon?

You know, what do I want to be my little mall treat while I'm out shopping with my folks?

I don't have too much like an affection for this place.

I didn't.

What's up, Pretzel maybe is another option?

Yeah, sorry.

Wetzel Pretzel.

I mean, like, that more so Auntie Ann's ann's that we had auntie ann's was the pretzel at the free again the freehold raceway mall like that's yeah auntie ann's was in the in in the mall in the south shore plaza that's what and i don't think there was a mrs fields maybe there was but i like it wasn't a place that i would go to often i know there was also diddy reese's out here why because diddy reese yeah which i think is just a single store but it's a good oh it's just a single store i think so oh wow i think there are multiple diddy reese because i know that i know that diddy reese is pretty good that was like the thought of we were eating these cookies and feeling very sick very pretty quickly.

Yeah, they're very, they were very sugary cookies.

I mean, they are, they're sugary cookies, and that's when Wags, the

Wagger's endgame, when I said, Mrs.

Fields, I'm not, I'm not feeling too good.

Is what is the line?

Mrs.

Fields, I'm not feeling too good.

I'm not feeling too good, Mrs.

Fields.

No, I think the name comes first.

And the name to, oh, okay.

What is it, Mr.

Stark?

Isn't it?

Or is it about the list?

This is the most memorable line in all of Marvel.

Mr.

Stark, I don't feel so good.

Mr.

Stark, I don't feel so good.

I don't feel so good, Mr.

Stark.

So you were having this moment with the cookies, as we all were, and I was like, oh, I don't know how I feel about these, but then I was like, but also, do I care about the other, the, what is the, the, the crumble?

Crumble, yeah.

I'm like, is this better than crumble?

This is what I was trying to think.

I'm like, do I like this better than crumble?

And I actually don't know if I do.

Well, this is one of those things where what's difficult to evaluate about a place like this is our eating experience was not at all what a normal Mrs.

Fields eating experience is.

Sure.

Now, you can go to like a, hey, we're going to go review a claim jumper, like a big sit-down chain restaurant, and we can have a big meal there, but it still approximates your experience of a normal chain claim jumper visit or cheesecake factory to be a more known chain.

But like here, it's like, this is not what, you don't get like 20 cookies from Mrs.

Fields and eat like, you know, eight of them apiece.

That's just not, that's just not what the experience is normally.

And so we all felt a little bit insane.

Yeah, no, it definitely sick, like just like just disgustingly sick.

Yeah, no, I don't, yeah, don't, I still don't feel good.

Yeah.

um and also like the sugar it's happened on the show when we eat like a bunch of sugar stuff like this and then we feel insane for the episode i think that we paste ourselves maybe a little bit better with this but i do think that crumble probably has like

there is like a high-end cookie that i will like there but the issue is is finding it in the sea of cookies that they have because they're constantly rotating rotating inventory they have like new specials every week and you know that's part of the part of why people like that place is the novelty of oh get to get get to try another new flavor, but like a lot of them just don't hit.

And a lot of classics here, but I'm like, if I went by Crumble and I went by Mrs.

Fields and I and I picked like one of the three cookies I would have wanted to have at Mrs.

Fields, which today I was like clocking it.

I was like, that one, this one, and this one.

These are the three that I would pick.

And I was like, they're pretty good.

And then at Crumble, I'm like, would the same thing happen where I would get a cookie that I actually liked?

Mrs.

Fields is way more just like classic, kind of boring cookies.

Crumbles are, you know, crazier.

There's crazier cookies at Crumbles, but at Crumble, but I,

I'm going insane, but, but I,

I, I can't tell.

Maybe I would want a Mrs.

Fields more than I would want a Crumble.

I, I, I can't tell, honestly.

I've had people have like given me crumble cookies and I've eaten, and this is good.

This is a good cookie.

Yeah.

I've also like gone to a crumble and had like a

not good experience.

Like I walked in there with my two kids and I mean, I'm not to call my kids dumb, but I mean, they had, they had certain things that they wanted.

Right.

And like, you know, you, I, like, I had to like order on a computer instead of talking to a human being and then waited like with cranky kids there for like 10 minutes.

And then after 10 minutes, they walked up and said, oh, we're all out of the cookie you ordered, but we have this other cookie.

Would you like that?

And it's like.

Do you understand how a seven-year-old's brain works?

You can't offer one cookie and then give them another.

I might as well have said, well, we don't have chocolate chip.

Would you like poison instead?

Like, that's literally the, the, like, what I, you know, maybe with the door boys, we will take the poison cookie.

It was just, it was just like not user-friendly.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That.

I guess for us, we're all out of ookie cookie.

Would you like a poison cookie?

Is probably

Jesus Christ.

That wasn't on the menu at Crumble that particular week.

Yes.

I know.

Crumble, they're sold.

Yeah, they all turned out.

They sold out.

That's a limited.

You saw Nick and I walking away with big bags of ookie cookies?

I just, I feel, I wonder if there's like a maybe a medium.

Like, crumble like can be really good.

And also, sometimes you can look at the flavors and be like, I don't want any of these, you know?

Here's what's been left out of this discussion that's being presented as a binary.

The third way,

insomnia.

Insomnia is the sweet spot.

Insomnia has its spot.

We did bring this up and you said,

so we did bring up insomnia.

Go talk about it.

And I'm going to say that thing on the box.

Don't say that either.

Insomnia, I am in hindsight being like, insomnia is maybe, maybe insomnia is the top of the cookie.

I think probably for right now, I think that's the one that where you're most likely, you can get like just a regular ass cookie that is good.

Yeah.

It's not a pain in the ass to order from.

But also it's another place like Crumble where it's not geared towards storefronts.

It's not geared towards, I'm going to go to the, because this is the thing about Mrs.

Fields.

It's like an impulse.

It's like, I was like, oh, a Mrs.

Fields cookie, I'll have one of those.

You know, while you get your bag of hot topic or whatever the fuck, and then you're going to sit down in the food court and you're going to have a Mrs.

Fields cookie, you're having a nice time.

And

Insomnia and Crumble are much more like, this is an experiential thing.

This is a delivery app.

This is delivery.

Yeah, this is for delivery.

This is your stoned, or this is your, it's your friend's birthday.

Oh, you Gen Z babies, you can get your milk and cookies delivered right to your dorm room.

You make me sick.

You need your Baba with your milk to your dorm room.

Grow the fuck up.

Insomnia, the point is, insomnia is not like a mall treat.

Mrs.

Fields is a mall treat.

It's more of a piece, again, with anti-enza, as you mentioned, if you get like a sweet cinnamon pretzel from there, or Wetzel's the West Coast equivalent, or, you know, like a fucking

Cinnabon.

That's like what I think of when I think of Mrs.

Fields category.

And I know there aren't other cookie chains, but I don't know.

I mean, they're all really accomplishing the same sort of thing.

Back in my day,

Moneyball days.

Back in the Moneyball days, we have to walk to get our Baba milks.

Okay.

And then we'd go to Disney,

we'd ride Splash Mountain, okay?

It just makes me sick, Wages.

You got your cookies delivered to you today, though.

That's true.

Uh-oh.

That's a good point.

Uh-oh.

Someone went and picked up your cookie order.

Brought it to you.

Am I secretly just still mad about Splash Mountain?

Yeah, probably.

Amelia, you went and picked these up from the Glendale Gallery.

Also, by the way, Amelia, thank you for my Baba milk.

I appreciate it.

So, the Glendale Galleria, which in text message, you called the Glendale Diarrhea.

Was that auto-correct or was that a choice?

That was an artistic choice.

That was an artistic choice.

Okay, got it.

Got it.

I nailed them.

As one of my local malls pissed me off.

I submitted that name to Google Maps.

The Glendale Diarrhea was very hard to navigate.

I got lost in the parking garage.

I was wandering around for maybe like 20 minutes.

That's why I was so late today.

This sounds, if you put Trump's voice over what she was just saying there, it sounds Trumpian.

Glendale Diarrhea, I was walking around for 20 minutes.

It just sounds Trumpy.

I was walking around for 20 minutes.

But it was all worth it because

I had a lovely experience when I got there.

Shout out to Taylor, who is

one of the general managers at this location.

She was awesome.

I walk up to her and she's like, are you from Jersey?

And I was like, how'd you know?

And she was like, me too.

And then we all,

we, I mean, singer, you as well.

That's how I react anytime anyone asks me.

We bonded over.

She gave us some

extra freebies.

She was really nice.

You guys became Instagram friends.

Instagram friends.

You guys are tight in the few minutes that you were there.

Yes, she has a TikTok famous

canine officer dog named Judah, I think.

And she gave us a balloon and she custom iced the cookie cake for us.

So it says Dough Boys.

Yeah, she was very lovely.

Shout out to Taylor.

The Dough Boy,

I was definitely struck by the cookie cake, which was a singer request having Dough Boys written on it.

That was quite nice.

And freshly baked.

Freshly baked.

Freshly baked.

So here's the thing.

And the cookie cake, again, I went to the dog's TikTok, and there's a, he has a thin bone line flag.

A thin bone line.

Oh, oh, that's a bummer.

So you started following him.

Yeah,

I followed him.

I was making jokes to Wagger that the dog was like putting its paw on other dogs' necks and shit.

I haven't looked at this influencer dog yet.

Anyway, do you think that Trump,

just to go back to Trump?

Do you think that Trump, do you think there's a scenario where Trump has like an OJ moment, like the Bronco chase?

Like, it's already the, like, and you know how the world is, it's like, we're in like a cyclical, like, the world is a, people think that it's, we're living the matrix.

Sure.

And like, if things are cyclical, and like, it's like, doesn't it feel like the end of the four years could end with him being in trouble and like flying away and like trying, doesn't it feel like something that like that could happen?

You're, you're describing something that I Bill Simmons is has called like the like the Mike Tyson effect or the Mike Tyson threshold, right?

Sure.

Referring exactly what his formulation is, but it's like basically like any news story you hear about Mike Tyson.

How would he put that?

Hey, it's kind of like the Mike Tyson tradition.

All right, that's all right.

That sounds right.

It reminds me of the movie Money Ball.

Carbon.

So anyway,

it's like any story.

Basically, what it is in brief is any news story you hear about Mike Tyson, you just believe because he's such like a crazy figure that like anything that he does is like, oh, yeah, that's that, I completely buy that.

And Trump's kind of the political equivalent of that.

Like anything that happens, you're just like, yeah, okay, I'll take that as well.

In my head, I just feel like there could be like, you know, the 2029 version of the O.J.

Bronco chase with Trump.

I feel like it just will happen.

A low-speed chase.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Where he's in the back of a sports utility vehicle, like Steve Banter.

It's a white plane, you know.

A white plane.

Yeah, I feel like it's going to happen.

Yeah.

And you had to map out whoever Al Cowlings would be in this scenario.

I guess Marco Rubio.

Literally just about to ask.

Marco Rubio flying the plane.

You heard it here first.

I think it's going to, I think it will happen.

Could happen.

But all right, sorry.

Sorry to sidetrack there.

Amelia, you had a blast at the Glendale Diarrhea, the

Glendale Diarrhea.

So, and she hooked us up and she gave us this lovely heart balloon as well.

I inquired if there was was a Mr.

Fields, I guess, about her and that she's happily married.

Yes.

All great stuff, great experience.

Yeah.

But are the cookies good, Wags?

Okay.

That's the question.

And also,

we got one of those big cookies that said Doughboys on it.

You already said this.

And there was cream around the edge.

And that was my bite of the night.

That was my, I think that was maybe all of our favorite things.

Greg.

The cookie cake was a knockout.

That was legit, very good.

And it was also

the one notable thing.

Like, because everything else I feel like was like a cookie, right?

Yeah, this is a cookie.

Yeah.

Some of them were a little bit too much.

Some of them were, you know, just right down the middle, but nothing was like blowing my mind.

But the actual cookie slice from the cookie cake, I thought was

warm.

It was soft.

It was, Amelia, the way you characterize it, it's like it's like a little undercooked, but like in a good way.

In a good way.

Like properly, like, you know, just

exactly.

It would be just so soft and It would pass the American pie test.

Unfortunate.

Since you're dick out,

you know what?

Probably too deep.

People are going to need to Google what this thing looked like.

I've never had one to see why that was so funny.

Flatbread pizza.

Yes.

I mean, to me, like, like I, you said I I requested, like, I literally like was, when we were figuring this out, I emailed.

I was like, if I could ask for one thing, you got to get a cookie cake.

Because I, again, because it was the thing that I actually really liked from here.

And so to me, I thought that was terrific.

It was actually just as good as I remembered.

So to me, it almost everything else was like a wash.

It was like the one thing that I really liked as a kid was still good.

Because sometimes you, again, kids are dumb.

Sometimes you try these things in an adult and you're like, what was wrong with me as a kid that I liked whatever this was?

It was hitting for whatever.

It was good.

Well, I think part of it also is it was the one item that was fresh baked, right?

Because this was baked to order.

Everything else was something that was batch baked this morning.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So it was, it, like, that extra layer helped it quite a bit.

I'm ashamed of myself.

What?

For what?

Just the things I've been saying this episode.

Talking about jacking off.

Yeah.

You know, I wouldn't bring my dad back.

I wouldn't want my dad to see me as I am.

He needs to stay in the afterworld.

I can't see him for what I've become.

You know,

he would I feel like he'd come back and be like,

I'm going to go back.

The afterworld.

I think he'd be sad.

Get back on the Betelgeuse training again.

I don't think that's true.

Calling kids dumb.

He's like, where are yours?

I don't have any.

You know what I mean?

Like, there's just like a lot of things.

I don't think that's true.

I think the whammer would be quite proud of all your success.

Thank you, Wax.

The Whammer.

Good guy.

Yeah.

Okay, so the cookie cake was great.

It was delightful, and

I genuinely enjoyed it.

Nothing else is on that level.

Side by side to the chocolate chip cookie, we thought the chocolate chip cookie was too sweet, weirdly.

Like the chocolate looked.

Well, no, okay, so here's the thing.

There's semi-sweet chocolate, which is used in the cookie cake, and then there's also milk chocolate, which was used in the cookies.

And the milk chocolate is just a little bit too, yeah.

It could actually taste a difference

between the two.

It wasn't just like a big cookie versus a normal-sized cookie.

There were nut cookies you could not eat.

Right.

And I'm going to say this, I don't know how you feel.

The peanut butter cookie, I liked a lot.

Let me just run through all the classic cookies because I have the full list here.

Semi-sweet chocolate chip, milk chocolate chip.

That was the one that was a little too potent for us.

Semi-sweet with walnuts.

Sugar butter.

Sugar butter made with Eminem's candies.

Cinnamon sugar.

White chocolate macadamia.

Oatmeal raisin with walnut, peanut butter, and triple chocolate.

The triple chocolate one, I guess it was white chocolate, but they seemed more like marshmallow chips, didn't they?

Like they didn't really have like the flavor or the texture of white chocolate, which I'm not a fan of.

Didn't taste at all like white chocolate at all.

I don't know what's going on there.

I liked that cookie, though.

I don't know how you felt, Matt.

Also, how did you feel about the rest of the peanut cookies I didn't even care about?

Yeah, I was like, whatever.

Yeah, the peanut butter was good.

Yeah.

The other cookie that I thought was pretty good was the Snickerdoodle cookie.

I like the Snickerdoodle.

No, that was pretty good.

Yeah, yeah.

It felt like stuff that was,

you know, less sweet, quote unquote.

Like, I think you mentioned this.

Yes.

Like, wasn't overloaded with the milk chocolate or whatever.

And some, like, the frosting was overwhelming on the cookie cake, but when you're eating parts of the cookie cake that didn't have the frosting on it, it was great.

The actual cookie,

what would you call that?

Cookie pie, the like the cream.

So that was a different menu item.

Yes, they have a they have a sandwich cookie, which was we got with two confetti cookies

that were that had a bunch of

blue jizz between them.

And it was that one was unka potchka.

It was really unpleasant to eat.

It was just way too sweet.

And it was also like the thin layer of

whip chopping or of cream, of icing around the cookie cake, like that was the right proportion.

You want just a little bite of it.

You don't want it to be immersed in like every chomp.

It was way, way too much.

Yes.

The layer of jizz, as you put it, and that was thicker.

Sorry.

Sorry, you're here.

It was thicker than the entire cookie cake.

Yeah.

Just that layer of goop.

It was too much.

Also, what do you know about this blue jizz?

What's the inside scoop here?

What do I know about it?

Yeah, yeah.

Like, how is this made?

Is it knobby?

Yeah, that's what on Optanium is.

On Optanium is just Nauvi jizz.

That's all it is.

Wow.

No, it's

a, yeah, he is a genius.

It's a,

I really did not like that.

And similarly, the mega cookies, which is another thing.

So a mega cookie is, I believe, designated as, yes, here, I'll read the copy, three times the size of our regular cookies for three times the, mmm.

It was kind of like a scone form factor.

Like it was like, it was like very thick, very dense.

Yeah, like a hockey puff.

I was actually weirdly okay with the mega cookies.

They didn't bother me too much.

It was loaded.

Like, here's, could you eat a whole one of those, though?

No.

Because we each had like an eighth of it and was like, wow, that is a lot.

You know, it's, I, I, and maybe that's what it's designed for.

Maybe it's like the crumble thing where you, you're, you're supposed to split all these cookies into quarters.

You're not supposed to eat an entire quarter.

You're supposed to have one quarter portion to quote to quote Uncar Plutt.

Our favorite.

Another reason Galaxy's Edge isn't good.

He's not there.

Unkar Plutt needs Unkar Plutt should.

He should be at any food stand like a food.

He should be serving the food.

Everyone's favorite character.

Yes.

Yeah, sadly, one of the best characters from the Star Wars movies.

Deus, how do you feel?

First of all, how do you feel about Unkar Plutt?

Second of all, how did you feel about these cookies?

Casey, we'll start with you.

Unkar Plutt.

I love Unkar Plutt, one of the best characters in Star Wars.

Thank you, Casey.

Yep.

Yep.

Everyone agrees.

And the cookies were way too sweet.

I'm actually like, I feel like I've got heartburn because of all the sugar.

I am still feeling, I'm still feeling the cookies.

Kind of like a hummingbird, sort of like, you know, haze to everything.

The feeling in the back of your like...

throat, jowls, whatever that happens when you have too much sugar.

It's just like kind of like lingering.

I was like, I feel like I need to go like bite a hot dog or something to like

reset my palate because it was so sweet.

I did, I didn't really try much other than that cookie cake because it was so good, but the chocolate was still soft and warm.

It was like perfect.

And I love that I tried a bite of the stickerdoodle, that was awesome.

Great.

And Unkar Plutt?

Oh, yeah, best character in Star Wars.

Like, undisputed.

Great.

Next.

Amelia, what do you think?

I think Unkar Plutt is the best character in Star Wars.

Wow.

Clean sweep.

And

clearly does not know what the fuck

is.

For some reason, your lie came out the most.

I I believe those two.

And I only had a slice of the cookie cake and then a bite of

the chocolate mega cookie.

Yes, so we had both the chocolate chip mega cookie and then an Eminem's mega cookie.

Oh, yeah, I had a bite of each of those.

Yeah.

The mega cookies were too sweet.

Too much, yeah.

The cookie cake was delectable.

It was really good.

Okay.

It was funny, Emma was like, do you ever, you know, when you eat a sweet like this and then you want to like take a bite of a hot dog?

And it's like, like, you're asking the doughboys if we have the feeling of wanting to take a bite of a hot dog.

I don't even know.

100%.

Always.

It just felt like hot dogs just felt like the exact opposite of a sweet cookie.

Yes.

I would have loved to bite a hot dog.

I don't want a hot dog so fucking bad.

We went to, what are you going to say?

I was just going to say, those, these mega, mega cookies.

Yeah.

I thought the taste was good, but they looked very unappetizing.

Really?

It really looked like you took like a roll of cookie dough and

you cut the wrong amount.

Yeah.

You just shoved it in an oven and it came out.

I mean, it was like hockey puck is not, it's not thick enough.

It was like two hockey pucks.

Yes.

Yes, right.

But they weren't half a soft.

They weren't hard or anything like that.

No, no, they weren't.

They didn't, but they looked like they would be hard.

Like they looked like they might have a whole crunched dough.

They tasted fine to me.

I mean, I was like, but, but again, you could not eat a whole one of those.

Let's also talk about something that.

Oh, I said, what were you going to say?

We want to, we were talking about hot dogs that we want.

Oh, yeah.

Okay.

Actually, this is, and this is related to the other thing I was going to say.

So we went to Moneyball.

Yeah.

so the oakland a's were a struggling franchise

we went uh before we went to legacy fx our buddy griffin was in town and bet me and ben simpson and him were going to meet at at a costco which was nearby yeah and i got i get there first food court is closed oh yeah it's a fucking nightmare i didn't even know that was possible food court was closed and it was closed for renovations for like six months i don't know what to do so we audible uh ben simpson knew a a mexican restaurant And so we went to the Mexican restaurant there.

We all met up.

Yeah.

One of the weirdest, like in-restaurant experiences, like the food was good, but it was just like strange things kept happening.

I've been to that restaurant.

You've been to that restaurant.

Food is good.

Was it, did it feel like, though, you were like, you'd gone to the other side?

No.

Because it was really strange.

First thing we asked, we asked a waiter at a certain point, like, hey, can we order?

And the guy was like confused by the request.

Like, we just asked him if we could get some new tires.

Like it was like, we're in a restaurant.

Can we or you know, like whatever we thought we were very, very polite about it.

But like that was fine.

Ben Simpson gets a Diet Coke.

He has a Diet Coke, finishes Diet Coke.

They bring it to him in a can.

He asked for a refill and she says, okay, the second one will be Pepsi.

Is that okay?

Switched him to Pepsi for the refill.

That's like their store policy because it's cheaper or something.

That's insane.

So confusing.

Per customer.

Yeah, yeah.

One per digit.

In cans, yeah.

Did they just like buy them at Costco, and that's just what they had?

Maybe that's what happened.

Yeah.

I was like, what the fuck is this?

Meanwhile, me, Casey, and Emma were at Legacy FX for 25 minutes

waiting for you guys to come.

And Dutton, me, Dutton, Casey, and Emma.

And when they switched.

Oh, you weren't there.

Oh, I'm sorry.

Ani was there.

Ani was there.

I'm sorry.

Nitch mixing up the women at Headgump.

Oh my God.

Get his ass.

It's fine.

Well,

me and one of the women of Headgum and Casey and Dutton were waiting for 25.

When I saw that Costco was closed, they were like, Yeah, let's go to this restaurant.

I was like, What the fuck are they doing?

It was like, it was like a half an hour until we were going to be.

I understood Ben who arranged it hadn't eaten lunch and he was planning an eating lunch.

So I was like, We'll go to the spot.

We would have been fine.

Look, you're still ahead if we add off minutes.

I've made you wait versus me wait.

Not a big deal.

I don't care.

Yes.

But we waited there for a while.

Then I also made the mistake of comparing you to one robot character, and then we saw a bunch of giant fat characters,

which you kept comparing me to over the course of the thing.

Tactical error.

Huge error.

I think I then also did compare you to like a fat robot later on.

It got you at some point.

Yeah, we were going to, you know,

it was typical banter.

Yeah.

Going at each other.

It was the, yeah, no, it was just for us.

The Cisco and Ebert of food.

You're right.

You're right.

Wait, was what there was,

were you thinking of specific.

Oh, no, I was just thinking of like, because you remember the orientation.

There was that whole thing, in case you witnessed this too.

And Emma, I think you were there.

You saw this.

Jamilia was there.

There's that part where he's like,

where the guide was like, hey, so this side, because they kind of keep things that are upcoming in a different part of the warehouse from stuff that's already been released.

So it's like this side, you know,

you can pose with any of these.

You know, you can touch any of these.

You can photograph any of these.

But this side, you can't do any of that with.

And then he was like, and this side,

it's fine to suck them off.

This side, you can't suck them off yet.

And I'm like, oh, it's interesting.

That's the joke I was making.

Is that you sucked off a bunch of robots and shit.

That's what it was.

Yeah.

Because there was like a cannon.

Yeah, there's a guy.

Yeah, there's a little effects guy with Justilo.

They knew you were coming.

Anyway, thank you, Legacy FX.

Thank you, Legacy FX.

Had a great time.

Wise, you were going to say something.

We were talking about the thick cookies, and then we got sidetracked again here.

You were getting.

Did mega cookies pass the American Pie test?

The mega cookies definitely passed the American Pie test.

With flying colors.

No, I mean, way too, way, way too deep.

For Mitchell, it's like drilling to the Earth's core.

They were, I mean, compared to the cookie cake, they're what, like, like

seven times thicker?

They were, yeah, they were very, very thick.

Yeah, at least.

At least, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, no, I know what it was.

And this is, this, it goes back to Costco.

Yeah.

Thank you, Mitch.

Um,

so, uh, the Oklahoma's payroll was the lowest in the league.

No, so the, the, compare the mega cookie to the current zeitgeist showstopper in the dessert world, the double chunk chocolate cookie from Costco.

I'd rather the double chunk at like six days, like

what I'm trying to say, seven days a week over that one.

I can land the plane there.

Nine times out of ten, nine times out of ten.

Thank you.

That's what I'm looking for.

That's what I'm looking for.

But it sounds like 10 times out of 10.

10 times out of 10.

I'd like any day.

That's what I was trying to say.

It's like so much better and it's so much cheaper.

And so, you know, what's the point of this thing?

You know what I mean?

Right.

Yes.

Yeah.

No, I agree with you.

should we get to our final thoughts?

Yeah, so Matt, this is how this will work.

We'll each go around, we'll give our final arguments on this chain or closing statements, if you will, and then end that by giving it a score from zero to five forks.

So, Matt, you're our guest.

Uh, your final thoughts on Mrs.

Fields, your fork score.

Well, again,

I was all I honestly, all I cared about was that damn cookie cake.

Yeah.

Was it going to live up to the mental image I had of it?

And I felt like it did.

I, I, the, the, the cookie cake, I mean, that could be, that item could be, I would say, five forks.

Yeah.

Just that item.

The rest is kind of, it was fine.

Yeah.

So I guess overall,

I mean, nothing we had was, I would say, bad.

Other than maybe that, what was it?

The, the one with the, with the, the, the jizz.

Yes, yeah, that one was bad.

That was bad.

Other than that, everything else was cookies, which are good.

Yeah.

There was no, there wasn't any other bad cookies.

They were all all generally acceptable to pretty good.

So I guess ultimately I would arrive at a score of maybe three and a half forks.

Three and a half forks.

Good score for Mrs.

Fields.

That's a good score.

Spoonman, what do you say?

For whatever reason, I want to like Mrs.

Fields and

I like that Amelia had a good experience there today.

I like Mrs.

Fields herself.

Yeah.

And I like all the thirst traps you were showing me of.

Yeah.

But

Mrs.

Fields.

Not what I imagine Mrs.

Fields as a kid looking like.

Not at all.

Also, save this.

Yes, also.

Also, yeah, please don't say as a kid.

Okay.

I was looking at the

kid in the

middle of the day.

Let's make that clear.

You're picturing like, you know, Mrs.

Butterworth.

Yeah.

Genteel old lady.

Exactly.

Here you go.

Yeah, but she's very, very pretty lady.

And hey, the older women can can be very beautiful too, Mitch.

Of course.

Where did I not?

I love her silver queens.

I think Mrs.

Field's still very attractive.

I was looking at current pictures of her.

I like that it's kind of back, not back to the basics because it's the way this place has been, but I like that it's kind of a more simpler version of cookies.

I think.

You know, the cookie test itself,

the cookie cake was great.

There were a couple good cookies, and then a lot of them were way too sweet.

So for me, I think I'm going to go three forks, which is right in the middle.

Not bad, but not

golden plate club territory.

Three forks.

Three forks.

That's where you land.

And I'll give Mrs.

Fields a thumbs up Ebert style if you catch my drift.

I can crank it to that.

But yeah, I mean, like,

Why do I care?

I don't, I have no history with this place.

I didn't even used to eat it a lot but i do like the idea of it and i i think some of these other cookie places have gotten too crazy i wonder i think that they do have to make a move for the future i think something has to change at mrs fields like

just maybe more delivery locations or whatever it is or honestly try to get a great board uh store-bought cookie you know what i mean like there's always a battle for that we talk about the store the store brand cookies and and what's what's the big ones the green bag tate tates tates is like a big one i'm like Mrs.

Fields' cookies hitting the market could be good, but maybe they don't want to do that.

And maybe we don't need it either.

I don't know.

I just don't know.

I'm a little worried about Mrs.

Fields' future, I would say.

Yeah, I mean, looking at how, looking at their growth and decline, they had a couple of bankruptcy scares.

It feels like they're maybe waning a little bit.

It feels like there are fewer Mrs.

Fields than there used to be.

Part of that is just the death of the American shopping mall.

This used to be like this kind of, you know,

this hub of suburbia, and now there are are fewer and fewer of those.

And also, what you'll see at like a more upscale, you know, the versions that work now that are more like outdoor walkable neighborhoods, those don't tend to have places like Mrs.

Fields.

You know, they tend to, they'll have like a pressed juicery or something like that.

They'll have a, or like a Van Lewin ice cream.

They'll go for like, you know, something a little bit more contemporary, a little bit more artisan, a little bit more gentrified.

Kid question.

Do kids like smoothie?

Like, are cookies still number one for kids over like smoothies and things like that?

I I mean, if you give my children, who we've established, are very smart, extremely intelligent.

If I offered them a cookie or a smoothie, they're gonna, they're gonna pick the cookie.

So, kids are still kids.

But my kids do like smoothie bowls.

Like, they actually, like, you know, like they will, you know, if we're walking past, there's a couple in our neighborhood that they're like, can we get a smoothie?

Can we get a smoothie bowl?

Like an acai bowl or something.

Yeah, yeah.

Yes.

And I have to be like, no, absolutely not.

Stop talking to me.

But yes, they like both.

But I mean, a cookie is a cookie is a costie is a cookie.

Which is probably what's helped Mrs.

Fields all these years.

A cookie is a cookie.

A cookie is a cookie.

For me on my dessert hierarchy, I don't have cookies at the top.

Like, I'd rather have a lot of things other than cookie.

Although I like cookies.

I agree.

I'm a big fan of cookies.

But, you know, for me, I'm a Creamsman.

Ice cream's number one.

That's clear.

Like, that's S-tier dessert is ice cream.

Ice cream for sure is an tier over cookies for me.

That's in a tier of its own.

Like, maybe you go down to A tier.

That's when you're putting like the pies of the world.

Like, I love pie.

I'll take i'll take pie over cake but i also really love cake cake might also be a tier i i

hot cake a warm cake or hot cake delightful how fun is that cookies are a little bit lower they might even be below donuts for me honestly i like cookies i want to be clear i i like cookies mitch well i i'm right there with you i would normally be like you don't like cookies yeah and kind of like get you mad and try to dig into that a bit but i donut over cookie of course yeah of course yeah yeah so i i mean cake over over cookie, pie over cookie, ice cream over cookie.

Yeah.

I'm with you on all of them.

Once we get to like cinnamon roll, that's what I'm like, I'll take a cookie.

You know what I mean?

Like, once we get to, I'm trying to think what else.

Yeah, cinnamon roll, yes, I agree.

I take a cookie over a cinnamon roll.

What am I missing?

What are the big dessert categories?

Churro over a cookie.

I think I would take a churro.

I would definitely take a churro over a cookie.

Costco swapped out the churro for the double chunk chocolate cookie, but that's not a fair one-to-one because it was like a fine churro and the double chunk chocolate cookie is outstanding.

So it's like, that's not exactly.

Sounds like maybe we both don't like cookies that.

But But I do like cookies.

I do really like cookies.

Like, I'm a fan of cookies.

I want cookies to be good.

And

I love like a,

I, I love like a small cookie shop.

I love like an independent bakery.

I, I, I love all cupcakes versus cookies.

Cupcakes for me.

I wouldn't do cookie there.

I do cookie there.

Yeah.

Cupcake.

Yeah.

Come on.

I think I do cookie over cupcake.

Yeah.

I don't agree.

Again, Cisco and Ebert of food right now.

That's true.

Yeah, right.

100%.

Let's, We might as well revisit this.

Are cupcakes more a cake or pie?

Oh, Jesus.

Pie.

Mitch thinks that cupcakes are pie.

In what way?

Pie and cupcakes over.

I'll say this, pie and cupcakes over cookies for sure.

Yeah, but you also think cupcakes are cookie cookies.

Would you choose pie over cookie?

He's deflecting this cookie.

Yeah, you're deflecting cookie.

I'm asking you, would you choose pie over cookie?

Yeah, I would.

Then you choose cupcake over cookie.

same difference

uh the mega cookies were whatever the the the classic cookies were oh i thought they were mega cookies i'm gonna lower my score

the classic cookies were were fine like they're mostly fine i mean like honestly i feel like you could go to

not not in the not in the the the the the regular aisle but maybe in the bakery section of a grocery store you could probably find some cookies that are approximately level of a Mrs.

Fields.

Like they're not,

those are still good, but they're not blowing my mind.

They're not knocking my socks off.

They're comparable.

The cookie cake was legit, very, very tasty.

I think on its own, that's like, that's like, yeah, a four to five fork experience, that in and of itself.

Like that felt like the kind of like, bitch, that reminded me of a pazooki from BJ's, which it's like that same sort of like, this is like a warm cookie dessert at rather a bazooka, of course.

Of course.

But it was, it was

a good ice cream on the bazooki.

You put a scoop of vanilla on this some bitch, it would be real good.

You know what?

I'm just thinking about the bazooki.

Yeah, you might as well call it a kabzuki.

Same difference.

It's a portmanteau of pizza and cookie, you realize, right?

Nothing pieces.

Oh, you know, I'm gonna stick with it.

Same difference.

I guess pizza pie.

Yeah, that's fair.

Where I ultimately land is

what is this place doing?

Like, I guess it's just kind of like a concept that maybe is

a relic of a different age.

And it's still doing things fine, but they either need to modernize, or I think they need to, you know, they need to like kind of reorient their business plan to be towards what people want from cookies now, which is like, we want gift boxes, we want stuff delivered, I want to be sitting at home and be able to have a box of Mrs.

Fields cookies arrive in a half hour or whatever the fuck.

Like,

I think that, like, as far as what adjustments they could make, I think it's just accepting their fate and

accepting their fate as someone that's going to have to be more like a crumble, more like an insomnia in order to continue to exist.

And I don't also don't think the quality of cookie is good enough to justify a special trip.

You know what I mean?

Like, like, Mrs.

Fields is basically the only time you have a Mrs.

Fields is of like, I'm in front of a Mrs.

Fields and I want a cookie.

Like, that's the one situation.

I'm not going out of my way for a Mrs.

Fields cookie ever.

Like, even after this mostly positive experience.

But it did seem like the service was very good, Amelia.

It did seem like they really accommodated us.

And

I can't really say anything outwardly negative about this.

It was just all kind of fine.

And I guess where fine probably lands us is in the three-fork range.

I think we're just kind of ballpark buds here.

I think Mitch, you and I are in the handholding club because I think we're all hovering around three forks.

And I think that's pretty much what Mrs.

Fields deserves.

Yep.

Yeah.

And we appreciate, I mean, look, the customer service bumps it up to.

Yeah, shout out to Taylor.

Three is not a bad score.

Three is a good score.

It's not a bad score.

And I stand by the thing of like,

would I rather, would I get a cookie from here or for Crumble?

I don't know.

You know what I mean?

And Crumble, but Crumble clearly is

a thing that's more known than Mrs.

Fields or is more popular than Mrs.

Fields.

I'd rather have Mrs.

Fields than Crumble.

I would rather have Insomnia than Mrs.

Fields.

It will be interesting to see whether these new chains, because Mrs.

Fields, I didn't even know if it was still around, to be honest.

But it's endured.

It's still there.

So will these new chains last as long?

That's the interesting thing.

I do wonder.

Is this as like a cookie?

It almost feels like we're in a cookie boom or a cookie phase.

A little bit.

And I kind of feel like Crumble is the one that's going to burn a little bit too brightly.

Whereas Insomnia is a little bit less like Crumble's just going for over the top.

Like here's like a long big ass cookie.

It's a really expanded.

And it's wildly expanded.

I think that one will probably, it's probably due to recede as well.

One last question.

Do you still feel like shit?

Because I do.

I feel really bad.

I feel truly terrible.

I feel great.

All right.

Yeah.

Fuck you.

Sorry.

I'm glad you feel good.

I'm just mad.

I feel bad.

Hey, it's time for a segment.

We've got a food stuff, and we're going to decide if you can put it in your mouth or should put it in your mouth.

It's snack or whack.

Should we not do this?

I mean, let's do it.

Because I just realized we're having sweet on top of sweet.

This is the complete opposite of what Emma said of wanting a hot dog.

We've got more, we've got more desserts here.

How many flavors are there?

This is the Jelly Belly Coldstone Creamery Collab.

One, two, three, four, five jelly beans.

Five different jelly beans with ice cream flavors, I guess.

Is that what they're doing?

Mitch, does it have the ice cream flavors on the bag?

It does.

It does.

It has chocolate devotion, chocolate ice cream, chocolate chips, brownies and fudge.

Okay, come on, jelly belly.

It's just a fucking chocolate jelly bean.

There's a lot of different flavors of jelly bean.

I was like, so it's a chocolate bag.

No, no, no, no, no, no.

That's just one bean.

That's why I'm saying come the fuck on.

Our strawberry blonde.

This seems like even like,

like, this seems like a crazier names than they even give the ice cream at the, at the, at Coldstone.

Does Coldstone do our strawberry?

Is there our strawberry?

Maybe there is.

Our strawberry blonde is strawberry ice cream, graham cracker pie crust.

strawberries, cream, and whipped topping.

Birthday cake remix.

Okay, I'm a birthday flavor fan.

Cake batter, ice cream, rainbow sprinkles, brownie, and fudge.

So brownie and fudge in there.

Which I feel like why add that in?

Jemmy likes Chef Kevin for some reason.

I mean, plenty of reason to like Chef Kevin, to be clear.

Apple pie a la coldstone.

French vanilla ice cream, cinnamon, graham cracker, pie crust, apple pie filling, and caramel.

Mint, mint, chocolate, chocolate chip.

What's going on?

I just, I'm, I'm just shocked at how many things you're listening to.

You're still talking.

It was even reading for 90 seconds straight.

Mint, mint, chocolate, chocolate, chip, mint, ice cream, chocolate chips, brownie, and fudge.

That's five?

That's, that's, that's, so there's only, that's the five jelly beans.

27 of these, 27 of these jelly beans are 110 calories wide.

So if we only eat five of them, we're in good shape.

Okay, so you're going to try it individually.

I'm going to get

I'm going to get one of each for myself, and then I'll let you guys do the same.

This sucks.

Do you want me to just pour some in your hand right now, Matt?

So you can.

Yeah, sure.

I think you'll get all of them if I do that.

Singer, a Coldstone sometimes does these collabs.

This is one I missed.

I don't know if you experienced the Barbie the movie, uh, Coldstone.

Uh, I saw, I don't think I ever got to eat it, I never got it myself, but I did see a picture.

Yeah, not as horrifying as someone, I don't think it was in the United States, but someone made a Barbie burger with some sort of pink sauce.

Oh, I hate that.

Yeah,

it looked truly horrifying.

Yeah.

So we're supposed to have...

Based on what you read, we're supposed to have 800 flavors.

This is confusing because I, okay, I think I got all of them.

Two of them look very similar, I believe.

Okay, I think I have five flavors there.

That looks like...

Oh, wait, then I don't have one of them.

That's what I, that's.

Because I'm missing a lot of money.

Oh, I don't have this one.

I don't have an orange one.

This is insane.

Maybe we should have split these up earlier.

I didn't realize.

I didn't realize maybe that.

Okay, I got.

I think there's actually three of each flavor in there.

I don't have all of them.

Maybe this one.

This one.

I can get you.

I can get you.

Okay, give me that one.

Then I might have.

There you go.

Now I have six.

Yes.

There are six.

No, no, there is only five.

So I think just some of them look weird.

Okay.

Here, wags.

Good luck.

I mean, I just don't.

I don't know what to say here.

I'm going to taste one.

I'm tasting one right now.

Which one did you taste?

Does it matter?

I tasted the apple one, and the apple one.

You know what?

They kind of look the same.

They have the coloration of bird eggs, is the issue.

So they've got to get kind of got different colored spots, is how you designate them.

So there's like two, there's like a pink one.

There's two different like yellow shades that have like different

kind of spots.

And

it's, it's, it's, you have to get pretty granular.

I think I'm going to eat the chocolate one last because it just seems like we go.

I ate the green one.

That's mint.

Yeah, how was that?

Minty?

It is minty.

Does it taste like a mint ice cream?

Kind of.

Cool.

I think not knowing this was mint chip going in,

I don't know if I'd figure it out.

I guess a little bit.

Same goes for the apple, the you know, the apple pie-ish one.

Yeah, that one was more science-y to me.

It's science-y, and also it's just kind of like a vanilla-apple flavor.

It's not anything, it doesn't remind me of ice cream at all in any way.

Uh-oh.

How much bit?

Oh, wow.

Wow, which one?

The mint one?

It's a mint one.

Oh, like a

chocolate one.

It's pretty rare that you guys actually just spit food out.

So it must have been nasty.

Which one?

Which one are we trying here?

I'm doing chocolate devotion now.

Okay.

Oh, the mint one's bad.

Yeah, martins one's bad.

Mint one, I'll say this.

The mint one does

so far taste the most like

mint chocolate chip ice cream, but it is, but bad.

Well, chocolate devotion, I can tell,

just tastes like a brownie.

Yes, agreed.

Okay.

I don't like jelly beans.

Is that heretical to say?

I don't like fucking like jelly beans.

Well, they're very close to the gummy texture, which you don't like inherently.

Like

sticky texture.

And these, I don't know if I would say a jelly bean is gummy, but it's, but there are, there are, it's a sticky candy.

It like sticks to your teeth and stuff.

I'd rather have a gummy than a jelly bean.

Good.

I agree.

I agree with that.

I love jelly bellies.

I've changed my mind.

I'm going to try Chinese.

I'm going to try that.

I'm going to try.

I like the classic jelly bellies.

I don't like the weird flavors and stuff.

I like going, like, when you can, like, make your own bag of flavors at the store.

The chocolate one's not good either.

I did, I changed my mind.

I went for it after the mint.

I'm having strawberry blonde.

Oh, chocolate one's really not good.

None of these are good.

These fucking suck.

These are maybe whack.

The birthday, one was birthday, correct?

Yes, yeah.

I would never have known that was birthday.

Here's the issue is that the two ones that taste the best so far, I haven't tried the birthday one, but the birthday one and the apple caramel one i'm trying apple pie right now that's the best one so far for me it's a little sciencey yeah that's what i thought none of them are good no

the strawberry ones is not bad

yeah strawberry one's okay i think that was my i have this one left whatever

the color that's not included on the bag you might like you might like the birthday one the birthday one is birthday the birthday one is birthday cake flavored i do like birthday flavor

i don't like it, but it does the job.

This sucks.

Yeah.

Fucking awful.

I hate that.

Spit out the birthday cake flavor.

The birthday cake one was the worst, I thought.

Yeah, that was nasty.

Ugh.

That sucks.

That was horrible.

These are fucking whack.

These were really bad.

These are whack.

Matt exerted it for making you eat these.

Yeah, whack all around, pretty much.

You would rather eat in like the booger flavor ones that they have.

Jelly belly, though.

Jelly belly, you're just fucking gross.

Fuck out of here.

I don't need this shit.

I don't need your your fucking weird ass, nasty ass beans.

And then you also got these weird, like, fucking collab beans.

Like, what do you got here?

You got the chocolate devotion, chocolate ice cream, chocolate chips, brownies, and fudge.

You got the awe, strawberry, blonde, strawberry ice cream, graham cracker, pie chunks, strawberries.

I'm so

hard drive right out of space.

Weird.

What are the calories on those guys?

Let's see.

110 calories for three servings within within a bag.

So nine of these, there's 27 pieces.

Nine of these is 110 calories, but 20 grams of sugar.

That's a lot of sugar.

The first ingredient on the ingredient list is sugar.

The second one is corn syrup.

So this is incredibly unhealthy.

Could you just read the rest of the ingredients while we're at it?

Yeah, let's see.

We got the modified food starch.

It contains 2% or less of the following: strawberry puree, chocolate liqueur, cocoa butter, cocoa powder, citric acid, ground cinnamon, tapioca, dextrin, natural and artificial flavor, color added, red 40 lake, yellow five and six lake, red 40, blue one and two lake, blue one, yellow five beeswax, Carnaba wax, cool.

They at least contributed to our cancer, maybe?

Is it like a California proposition 65 or whatever warning on it?

Yeah, it doesn't really.

I'm asking.

No, but it sounds like it should.

Thanks for inviting me, guys.

We're soft.

Enjoy your cancer.

Wow, you can take the factory tour.

Call 800JB Beans.

That's 522-3267.

We should do that, too.

We should do that.

Hey, we hate what you're doing here.

This company sucks.

Why do you guys suck?

Is this where you make the crappy jelly beans?

I remember Jelly Belly.

I remember when Jelly Belly burst onto the scene, I feel like, or at least when it was like, like, when it became a big thing of like, these are like, there's crazy flavor jelly bellies.

And I feel like it was almost like back in the day, it was that sort of thing of they had a guide of what the flavor.

It felt almost fancy.

It was like fun.

Yeah, yeah.

What flavor is this?

We used to be able to get the boxes where the flavors were all separated and there was like a map and the whole thing.

And that's the are those good or is it, I mean, these sucked.

I don't like them.

There's a candy store in Maine, in Kittery, Maine, called Yummies.

And I'll go there sometimes with my family.

They have a bunch of like old candies, but they have like a wall of jelly belly flavors, individual flavors, and you can just like, and you can fill your own bag with the flavors that you like so you can like make your ultimate mix of jelly bellies.

And my brother loves doing that, so we'll go do that.

That's awesome.

And that's fun because then you know you like everything in the bag and you can kind of just like have a good time with it.

But like, I I don't like, I don't like these, these are weird.

I don't like any of that.

I'm going to call off dinner with Koalik.

That sucked.

There's a whack.

A whack.

The one that I would like the most.

I was like, this is not good.

None of them are good.

No, that was a bummer.

Hey, just like a restaurant buyer feedback, let's open up the feedback.

Today's email is from Max from the Midwest.

Max writes, On your recent episode for Chuck E.

Cheese with Griffin Newman, you gave Amelia shit for saying Lynn Manuel Miranda wrote one of the songs.

A quick search of of the cheesy PD reveals that he did write the song.

Hashtag Justice for Amelia.

The song is Jordan Fisher featuring Lynn Manuel Miranda.

You're welcome.

My question is, if you could write a historical food-themed musical with Lynn Manuel Miranda, what would it be about?

Thanks.

Shout out to my lovely wife, Caitlin.

Let me look at this link real quick.

The link is expired?

I clicked it the other day and it wasn't.

Wait, are you responsible for sending this email too?

Well, well, well, you picked an interesting one.

Hello, Max.

Yeah,

from the Midwest.

Wait, I have a link that does work.

Okay.

Is it Max Rebo?

I did some digging.

Oh, yes, Max Rebo.

One of the songs that I thought was Lynn Manuel Miranda was written by a man named Eric Neal.

Okay, hold on a second.

So you're wrong?

Maybe.

But he did write a song for Chuck E.

Cheese that they play at Chuck E.

Cheese.

It could have been the one that we saw.

Are we sure?

No.

So the evidence isn't a broken.

Here's what I wonder.

Did this listener populate this Wikipedia page, which obviously anyone can contribute who has an account?

Did they make up a fake link?

You fucked up.

That's what I wonder.

And then it got taken down by administrators.

If that's true, call susser man by yoga, come back.

All right.

Amelia's handing me her phone.

Intermission 3.

Lisa Loeb featuring Craig Robinson, Feel What You Feel, Chuck E.

Cheese's Buffet, Nick Jonas Holm, Chuck E.

Cheese's Sensory Sensitive Sundays, Jordan Fisher featuring Lynn Manuel Miranda, You're Welcome.

Is this okay?

So this on the Chuck E.

Cheese wiki, which is listing the playlist, but is that an original song for Chuck E.

Cheese?

Or is that just a Lynn Manuel Miranda song collab that happens to be featured on their playlist?

I'm not sure, but I'm willing to take the credit for being right.

I'll give you the credit.

I'm going to hand you your phone back.

Amelia, this is blown up in your face.

Okay, so we're back.

Emma and Jemmy have quit the pod.

I think my, you know, I could crank it to that.

I was just saying, I think I would probably turn that into my Lynn Manuel Miranda song, except it would be like, I can't crank it to that for like, you know, like the Boston Massacre.

I can't crank it to that.

This is more like meatloaf.

Yeah, that's what it says.

It sounds a little bit like I would do anything for love.

Yeah, yeah.

Like 9-11, I can't crank it to that.

Stuff like that.

Historical moments.

Prejudice.

But I can't crank it to that.

But I won't crank it to that.

But let me put it a minute.

Yeah.

Prejudice, I won't crank it to that.

Yeah.

Factory farms won't crank it.

That's manhuman.

That's what I'm thinking of.

January 6th.

Mike crank it.

I'd crank it to anything for love,

but not to love.

Not to that.

Not to that.

I don't know how to answer this question.

Does that answer the question?

Yeah, to write a historical food-themed musical with an amendment.

Well, you can rent it.

I don't know.

You have mine.

You can't crank it to that.

You can't crank it to that.

How is that food-themed?

Oh, it's going to be food-themed.

Yeah, this is one of those things.

This is one of those questions where it's just like, hey, here's

a premise.

Do some improv.

What if you fucking know Max?

You're sending busted links.

I don't know what the fuck's going on in that.

You got an impossible question.

Yeah, if that's your real name.

Yeah.

What about, I mean, it's already been covered in one of the great films of the last few years, but if we took Unfrosted.

Oh, sure.

And you made a musical of that great motion picture.

That would be great.

I'd love to see that because, you know, like, there is the great musical moment during the end credits where there's the original Jimmy Fallon.

Jimmy Fallon wrote a song.

So we've all cast as a lip dub too that they are not into.

So much like the Back to the Future musical, starting from we have a great musical backbone right right no that's great that's a good pitch i think like an easter it's help me out here yeah and it's it's an easter song and it's alexander hamilton if it was like potatoes and some ham again you know

that's good yeah that's really good i like that quite a bit potatoes and some ham again and then like you know like uh

what does the like Easter supper consist of?

I don't know, you know, something like along those lines.

I thought you would help me out here.

I thought you would put on your improv shoes a little bit.

I don't, I don't know what you're doing.

I'm doing the Alexander Hamilton song to hand.

I don't know what you're doing.

This is perfect response in an improv.

That is a lot of improv scenes.

What?

I don't know.

I think there's like looking at, you know, I think you could have a wonka-esque thing about Colonel Sanders because he was, he had such an excellent, it was such an eccentric, he was such a charlatan, he had such a kind of a life where, like, maybe he was like a fabulous about certain aspects of it.

He allegedly killed somebody.

I think there's just like a lot of Colonel Sanders lore,

and also like a man who had ultimately built his empire relatively late in life, which is kind of interesting.

I mean, what about Mrs.

Fields?

What can is there something we can do with Mrs.

Fields?

Her biography?

I don't know.

I could crack it to that song.

It could go in the portion of that song.

That would fit.

That would fit perfectly.

Yeah.

Deborah Fields Forever.

That's pretty good.

Pretty good.

Mrs.

Please.

I can crank to that.

Oh.

There you go.

That's perfect.

Get some hauling oats in there.

Mrs.

Fields has got it going.

You know what I mean?

It's Stacy's mom, but I don't know Mrs.

Fields' daughter's name, you know, so this is the issue.

Let me take you down because I'm going to

Mrs.

Fields.

Well,

that came off dirtier than I ever would have thought for you two.

That's good, Wise.

Yeah, that's good.

We solved it.

Are you happy?

You got the

fucking happy.

I just saw your email asking me to pick a different question.

Wow, you saw this beforehand.

If you have a question or comment about the World of Chain restaurants, you can eat it.

Totally wins some ham again.

That's pretty fucking good.

You don't even know what the fuck I'm talking about?

I came in like money balls.

That's right.

Oh, that's really good.

Yeah.

You know that,

fuck.

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Well, Harrison comes back either.

Harrison,

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Harris is looking up at us and shaking his head.

Matt Singer, our guest.

Thank you so much.

Great to get you on studio.

Thank you so much for eating a bunch of cookies with us and some really bad jelly beans.

People should check out Abuzzable Thumbs, a really awesome book.

Congratulations on that.

Anything else you'd like to plug?

No, yeah.

Check out the book.

I've got another book about Spider-Man I wrote a few years ago, so you can find that too.

He's probably my favorite superhero.

Oh, he's the best.

Yeah.

All right.

So we at least agree on that.

Yes.

I'm a big Toby Maguire Spider-Man movie.

Great movies.

I love them.

Yep.

Yeah.

Great.

You like the Peter Parker Spider-Man.

Oh, no, no, no.

Hold on a second.

No, I like all Spider-Man.

I love the Spider-Man games, too.

Miles Morales, I love Miles Morales.

He's great.

He's great.

Both are great.

We have room in our hearts for for many Spider-Verse.

Spider-Verse, the movies themselves I thought were a little overrated.

Oh boy, here we go.

I love the first Spider-Verse.

I think it's awesome.

I think the second one's maybe a little bit bloated, but it's also just so visually dazzling that you're just like, this is just, this is why you see a movie.

Look at the first one.

The first Spider-Verse is good.

The first one is amazing.

The second one,

I think I agree with you.

It's beautiful to look at.

Very bold.

Maybe a little ungapachka?

A little bit.

Maybe a little bit.

I thought it was a downright a bad movie, personally.

But I like it.

Could we get my kids in here and they can wait.

Hey, I get why kids would like it.

They're dumb.

I want to say that Mrs.

Field's cookies

look so much better after eating these jelly beans.

That is 100%.

Does that buy it a half fork?

I mean, honestly.

Do I go up a half fork because it's just like such a better dessert?

Like, that was an actual

data that I enjoy.

Do we join Matt and the three-dimensional?

Yeah, you know, we'll go three and a half solar.

All right, great.

Shout out the name of the Spider-Man book: Spider-Man from Amazing to Spectacular, The Definitive Comic Art Collection.

Wow.

And

people should check out your writing at Screen Crush,

especially for our audience.

Matt Singer is stupid.

If you haven't already checked it out,

it's a lot of fun.

You eat movie tie-in menus very often.

You live blog the experience.

Yes.

And it always seems like you're miserable.

Before we ever...

uh connected yeah the number one question i would get about doing this eating this movie related food besides like what the fuck is wrong with you was do you listen to dobo yeah that was the question like if you don't you will these are your people.

So it feels like this was meant to happen.

I'm glad I was going to be able to do that.

Well, it sounds like you understand the thing of that this does make you miserable.

Oh, it is.

I think we have talked about this on that ridiculous text chain.

This is a masochistic endeavor

that we all do.

Yeah.

Stupid, but you know, whatever.

Yeah.

Anyway,

join us next week when we tour the Jelly Belly Factory.

Matt Singer, thanks so much for being here.

What a shit.

My pleasure.

Thanks.

Thanks, guys.

That'll do it for this episode of Dough Boys.

Until next time for the Spoon Mad Mike Mitchell, I'm Nick Weiger.

Happy eating.

Love you, Harris.

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