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We've got a great show for you tonight. John Leguizamo is here to dowsle us with stories from a career as long as I've been alive 29 years.
Then Aristotle Atari and Anthony Kerrigan join us for a quiz on bad guys and worse news. And at the end, we all take off our hats, put our hands over our hearts, and declare our independence from some stuff.
But first, let's get into it. What a week.
On Monday, President Trump announced a ceasefire agreement between Iran and Israel, which Iran initially denied. But that's Iran for you.
Always playing hard to get to stop bombing Israel. Trump expressed...
I know, you're right, and it still works. Trump, your response was correct.

Trump expressed his frustration with both countries on Tuesday morning.

They violated it, but Israel violated it too.

Are you questioning if Israel was committed?

Israel, as soon as we made the deal, they came out and they dropped a load of bombs,

the likes of which I've never seen before.

The biggest load that we've seen. I'm not happy with you this year.
Israel was straight shooting ropes with this one. Happy Pride everybody.
All right. The president continued.
We basically have two countries that have been fighting so long and so hard that they don't know what the fuck they're doing. Do you understand that? Iran and Israel, just kiss already.
That was a good moment for him. We can just face it.
That was just like, that was, if you like him, I get why that was cool. Deal with it.
Deal with it. And then imagine Joe Biden dealing with this situation.
Absolute fucking nonsense coming out of his mouth. It's worth, worth thinking about.
And then Trump's claim that Iran's nuclear facilities had been obliterated was contradicted by a preliminary classified U.S. report which found that the American strikes had sealed off the entrances to two of the nuclear sites but hadn't actually destroyed the underground buildings, only setting back the program by a few months.
As quiet fell over the laboratory, Arman and Reza jumped to their feet and embraced. We're alive, Arman shouted, the hug lasting a moment too long, raised his hand, brushing his fellow nuclear scientist's neck as they withdrew.
Soon the men realized they'd be trapped down here alone for months. The facility had supplies and generators.
They'd be okay until the entrance could be cleared, but the unspoken part, always unspoken, now unbearable. Did Arman feel it too? They shared so much, the same ambivalence, the same terror.
They'd been down here, spinning vials, slowly enriching uranium-235 to a concentration of 60%, a wink away from bomb-grade nuclear fuel. But they'd also allowed another illicit fuel to enrich their hearts, a place no inspectors could ever reach.
What about their wives? What about

freedom from this place, this life trapped under a rock, trapped between Mossad and Ayatollah, trapped between the light of science and the darkness of ambition? Or perhaps at long last, here in the rubble of the Shahid Ali Mohammadi nuclear facility at Fordow, were Arman and Reza finally free? the u.s. report also said that Iran had moved its stockpile of enriched uranium before the strikes.
Israel basically goaded Trump into a high-stakes game of three-card Monty, and we're the dumb tourists stuck trying to find the lady. No, honey, I'm really fucking close to finding the enriched uranium.
I'm $2 billion in on these targeted strikes, but I'm this close to winning it all back. And that's the one that didn't work.
After all of that, everybody told me the Armand Reyes story would fall like a fucking piece of shit. And it worked.
And then, no, you had my back, but a bunch of people did it. A bunch of people did it.
I want you all to know something. Tomorrow we're recording a video, a video of biggest bombs from Love It or Leave It.
And Bill, our producer, supposed to have my fucking back, is like, are you doing this so we have more material for tomorrow? And then what Hallie said, helpfully, well, it's your show, and it is my show.

And it is my show.

During a press conference at the NATO summit on Wednesday,

Trump denied the intelligence report and continued to claim that the U.S. strikes

had destroyed Iran's nuclear program.

Is there any indication from U.S. intelligence that Iran was able to move any material?

No, just the opposite.

We think we hit them so hard and so fast they didn't get to move. I guess we'll never know the truth until a few months from now when Iran has a nuclear bomb.
Also at the NATO summit, former Dutch Prime Minister and NATO Secretary General Mark Ruda called Trump daddy for scolding Iran and Israel. They're not going to be fighting each other.

They've had it.

They've had a big fight, like two kids in a schoolyard.

You know, they fight like hell.

You can't stop them.

Let them fight for about two, three minutes.

Then it's easier to stop them.

And then daddy has to sometimes use strong language.

You have to use strong language.

Every once in a while, you have to use a certain word.

And what word would that be, Donald?

I'm going to come.

All right.

I'm sorry.

Happy Pride. All right.

You think a grown man calling Trump daddy can't get any creepier,

and then you hear it in a Dutch accent.

Trump then addressed the daddy remark with the press later. Mark Rutter, the

NATO chief, who is your friend, he called you daddy earlier. Do you regard your NATO allies

as kind of children? No, he likes me. I think he likes me.
If he doesn't, I'll let you know. I'll

come back and I'll hit him hard, okay? He did it very affectionately. Daddy, you're my daddy.
No, please don't hit me hard, Mark Rutte said in response, bearing his trembling ass. Speaking of trembling asses, Defense Secretary Pete Hegsteth held a press conference on Thursday, most of which he spent railing against the media for reporting on his own department's initial assessment of U.S.
strikes. Because you, and I mean specifically you, the press, specifically you, the press corps, because you cheer against Trump so hard, it's like in your DNA and in your blood to cheer against Trump.

Because you want him not to be successful so bad,

you have to cheer against the efficacy of these strikes.

Does Pete think that being a journalist is innate?

It's nurture, not nature, babe.

People aren't born with reporter genes.

They become reporters when no one invites them to parties in high school.

Now, I guess it could be epigenetic, but Pete doesn't know what that is. I don't know what that is.
Hegseth continued to attack the press rather than answer their questions. Are you certain none of that highly enriched uranium was moved? Of course, we're watching every single aspect, but Jennifer, you've been about the worst.
The one who misrepresents the most intentionally. What the president says.
I'm familiar. I was the first to report about the ventilation shafts on Saturday night.
And in fact, I was the first to describe the B-2 bombers, the refueling, the entire mission with great accuracy. So I take issue with that.
Now, these two used to work together at Fox, so it does feel personal. Pete's acting like she stole his lunch out of the break room fridge and drank it all.
On Tuesday, Trump told congressional Republicans not to leave D.C. for the July 4th holiday before passing his big, beautiful bill.

It's okay. I didn't have any plans anyway, said Mike Johnson, placing the box of hooks and leather straps labeled old photos back on the top shelf of his closet in front of the gun.
the senate spent all week rushing to finish the bill adding even steeper cuts than the house

version including slashing food assistance programs restricting eligibility for medicaid

and cutting a tax that

funds rural hospitals. You know, like when you're putting the finishing touches on a cake by

injecting it with bleach. Mitch McConnell offered words of assurance to skittish senators afraid of

the bill's unpopular health care cuts, saying, and this is a quote, I know a lot of us are hearing

from people back home about Medicaid, but they'll get over it. Time heals all wounds, said McConnell, even though he is personally covered with wounds that will not heal.
In one positive development, the Senate parliamentarian struck a provision that would have opened up more than 250 million acres of federal land for sale, which sucks because I was excited about that Panda Express at the top of Mount Rainier. But speaking of feeling sick, in a 6-3 decision on Thursday, the Supreme Court conservative majority ruled that states can cut off Medicaid funding to Planned Parenthood even for non-abortion health care like physicals, STD treatments, vaccines, gynecological exams, and cancer screenings, finally eradicating the number one cause of abortions, women being alive.
We take the news as it comes. I don't like it either.
But when they go low, we go socialism. In a stunning victory, Zoran Mondani won New York's Democratic mayoral primary over Andrew Cuomo,

or what Fox News is calling the 624 attacks.

We now go live to Cuomo's response.

After the first round of votes was counted, Cuomo was reportedly so shocked

Thank you. After the first round of votes was counted, Cuomo was reportedly so shocked, he almost dropped the tits he was groping.
After conceding, Cuomo was returned to the maximum security wing of Arkham Asylum. Now, some say Mamdani's victory is a threat to the Democratic Party, as if Chuck Schumer is somehow a real Democrat, and Mamdani pulled a fast one.
You can find versions of this take from Mamdani's critics and his defenders, but it misses the point. The Democratic Party belongs to the people in it, and the people want a hot guy with a sense of humor who likes trans people and knows what the slice of pizza should cost.
And... Fine, I'll run for mayor.
Brad Lander, the city's controller who had cross-endorsed Mom Donnie,

spoke eloquently on Cuomo's loss.

Andrew Cuomo is in the past.

He is not the present or future of New York City.

Good fucking riddance.

I love how Lander said, New York City. A socialist wins in New York, and now every politician sounds like Bane.
And you think that's a joke, but look at how CNBC was crashing out over this result. I don't want to go here, but Gotham.
Have you seen what Batman is up against in Gotham and what the guy running for mayor is up against? That's what it reminds me of. They're taking Wall Streeters and make him walk out under the ice in the East River and then they fall through.
I mean, there is a class warfare that's going... So what's happened here, I think is...
The eat the rich type. Terrifying stuff.
Have you heard about this? With Mondani, there's this pink sludge flowing in the old subway tunnels beneath the city, activated by human emotion, centered around the Metropolitan Museum of Art. It's gaining power as we speak.
What's happening in New York is insane. The MAGA right, meanwhile, reacted to Mondani's victory about as you'd expect.
New York City has fallen, wrote Donald Trump Jr., quoting a post that said, I'm old enough to remember when New Yorkers endured 9-11 instead of voting for it. Not me, I'm too young to remember 9-11.
I read about it in books. I mean, I saw TikToks about it.
I'm just receiving word that a second Mamdani has won the primary. Marjorie Taylor Greene posted a photo of the Statue of Liberty in a burka with the caption, this hits hard.
Obviously, Marjorie Taylor Greene's love and concern for New York City is well known. Here's what she said about a recent visit.
I can't comprehend how people live there. It was repulsive.
It smells bad. And I just I think it's a terrible place.
Now we here in LA know that she has a point. No, stop it.
Stop it. These are people that fucking hate New York.
They hate New Yorkers. They villainize places and people that don't live exactly how they want people to live.
These are the kinds of people that only love New York immediately after 9-11 and immediately after Jersey Boys. Stephen Miller wrote on X, NYC is the clearest warning yet of what happens to a society when it fails to control migration.
The immigrants grow up to love the city so much they run for mayor, they generate so much excitement, it stops a disgraced creep from clawing his way back to power, and the food is amazing. Don't threaten us with a good time.
I've been struggling to articulate this. Obviously, Stephen Miller is such a twerp.
But he's now, they're all now coming out and basically saying it. It's not about undocumented or illegal immigration.
It's about stopping legal immigration. That every problem can be drawn not back to undocumented immigration, but their ultimate target, which is just stopping people from coming to this country.
And a few of them, they're so in a bubble. They're so convinced of something, which is just not true.
They're convinced that everybody agrees with them, but they're just afraid to say it. So now they're feeling more and more comfortable and emboldened to just come out and describe places as the third world.
They don't want immigrants from what they call the third world. They're being more and more, as we see in these posts about Mamdani, openly bigoted, openly racist.
But with Miller, there's something revealing about the way they talk about places they don't know or care about, the way that he talks about New York. Stephen Miller's family and my family came at roughly the same time to America through New York when Jews were escaping pogroms in Eastern Europe.
They went all the way to Santa Monica, but people come through Ellis Island. The New York accent, the accent that a lot of Jews took with them from New York, a lot of Italians took with them, is born of Dutch immigrants, British immigrants, Italian immigrants, Irish immigrants, and a lot of Jewish immigrants.
And what's interesting about Miller, right, is his family ends up in California. And so I describe Stephen Miller as a C plus Santa Monica fascist.
Why? Because he has that California accent with just a twinge of that thing you can't escape, which is that Jewish accent. But that means his accent is a combination of two things.
One, the melting pot of New York City, and the other, the California accent, which is itself born of the diversity of Southern California. So even as he spits this venom to saying that something has changed and gone wrong in this country, he speaks like a fucking immigrant because we all do.
He says in this post that New York was once a symbol of American dominance, which is his only way of seeing the world. Like that's how you compliment a place by its quote unquote dominance, right? Like he can't appreciate, like these are people going around declaring that they're going to make America better.
They're going to fix what's broken in America. They don't know, like, care about what makes America good at all.
They don't understand it. They have no love for any place.
They have no pride in any place. All they have is this idea of dominance.
And I actually, it's very, very scary and it's very dangerous, but it's also a kind of weakness. And I was walking around in LA and while these immigration crackdowns, these terrible crackdowns, which have been scaring people, the people that make LA work and communities all across LA, the jacaranda trees were turning and they were all this beautiful shade of purple and they're all over Los Angeles.
And it just struck me that I imagine Stephen

Miller, who claims to be from here while hating all of us and hating Los Angeles, I wonder if he

ever noticed what makes LA so beautiful, right? All the people in this wonderful place that so

many people came. And I assume no, right? I assume that's never been something that he would glance

Thank you. noticed what makes LA so beautiful, right? All the people in this wonderful place that so many people came.
And I assume no, right? I assume that's never been something that he would glance up and marvel at the beauty of this nature and this wonderful place we all get to live. And maybe that's a source of strength because for the same reason they can't see that, they assume we all have the same hateful, negative, vicious, zero-sum mentality about the world.
But the good news is that we don't. And there was a new poll that came out today from, I think it was a Quinnipiac poll, and it found that as they've been blasting the country with this propaganda about the chaos in the cities and the violence in our streets and the criminal aliens that are all around us, slowly but surely support for legalizing undocumented immigrants, giving them status in our country, has slowly but surely been cripping up, not a little, by a lot, by like 15 points, as his immigration approval has slowly trended down.
And to me, that's a sign of hope, because as much as they're so hate-filled, and as much as they are so mean-spirited and cruel, and they will exact a lot of pain and cause a lot of misery, They don't understand how other people think or feel because they can't believe that anybody would have more compassion or love or joy or beauty than we do. And I think that's how we

beat them. And I think that you see that in what happened in New York.
I think you see that in the

protests we've had over the last couple of weeks. And it gives me hope about what's going to happen

in the next couple of months in the midterms and beyond. So that was just rambling.

Trump himself weighed in on Wednesday, writing on True Social,

we've had radical lefties before, but this is getting a little ridiculous.

He looks terrible about Mamdani.

His voice is grating. He's not very smart.

And even our great Palestinian Senator Kryan Chuck Schumer is groveling over him. What was that, said Schumer? Seven bagels falling out of his mouth? Let me put this latke down and see what Trump's saying about me.

Trump also lost all credibility in saying that Mamdani looks terrible. Mamdani looks like he's the coolest professor at Handsome University.
Look at how good looking this guy is. More like 6911.
Speaking of slips of the tongue, a Colorado state attorney accidentally, this is, a Colorado attorney accidentally called a judge Honey on a court live stream. And I'm sorry to tell this this is like this video is like the ring we're all i'm gonna make we all are gonna watch it in full separate okay but it wasn't three separate let's go with what happened in the case but honey or oh my god i'm sorry i'm sorry that that i don't know what to say to that.
I apologize. Okay, go ahead.
The question here is what happened... I'm sorry, I've just been totally thrown.
Yeah, I can imagine. I can imagine.
I'm a little thrown by that also, if I'm being honest. No, I don't know what to say.
It's just a... Okay just uh okay well go ahead you've only got a minute and seven seconds left um it says here that he he gave himself the death penalty it's tough but fair i i just think it is incredible that arguing with a woman subconsciously raised a honey from the depths.
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Only way out. A New Jersey lifeguard was impaled by a beach umbrella during strong winds on Wednesday.

She was alert and taken to the hospital to be treated. The umbrella went through her shoulder and out through her back, protruding by about a foot.
And you know what that means? Six more weeks of summer. they had to use a bandsaw to cut the umbrella's pole to get her in the ambulance.
Oh no, my umbrella, said the worst people on the beach. The lifeguard, still recovering in the hospital, also told ABC7 that she was bummed when she found out she had to take six weeks off.
You hear that, Hallie?

She was impaled. Oh, you're tired from writing jokes? Need a break? It's been months since I stabbed you.
And finally, singer Leanne Rimes revealed her fake teeth fell out of her mouth mid-concert on Sunday, forcing her to run off stage to replace them. But I think we've all have that nightmare where Leanne rhymes his teeth fall out.

Anyway, congrats to the witch Brandi Glanville hired. Your magic is powerful.
Much respect. Coming up, it's the best John ever graces sage, John Leguizamo.
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A man with an IMDb page so long I had to sit down and put my head between my knees in the middle of it. It's the legendary John Leguizamo.
Hi, thanks for being here. Great monologue.
Oh, thank you. I appreciate that.
Enjoyed it. I like to think you're always back there watching, and it inspires me week after week, but today, here you are.
Finally. I'll always be there for you, man.
I'll always have you back. Oh, that means the world to me.
You sound sarcastic. I don't.
It's my fucking voice. That happened earlier today.
It's the third time today. Third time today.
It's sarcastic. Yeah, third time today.

You have a little sarcasm.

So it's something I gotta work on.

Yeah, yeah.

We're not all perfect.

No, no, no, but it's a good thing.

Are you a New Yorker?

Yeah.

Yeah, that's part of our-

It's part of it.

It's part of it.

It's part of it.

So you have a new Apple TV show called Smoke,

which just came out,

and you play an arson investigator turned porn director.

Did you do any kind of research for the role?

Yes, I'm very method. I'm a very method actor, so I watched a lot of porn for it.
But just for the angles and the editing, not for the content. No, no, just to understand the shot list.
Yes, yes, because I was a porn director. I wasn't in front of the camera, I was behind the camera.
Right, like when do you punch in? The money shot. The money shot.
When is the money shot? The money shot when they pay for for the pizza yeah now you have uh we were talking about this you have one of my favorite interview moments of all time and you're not gonna know what it is no how would i i was just there yeah yeah okay so you were doing an interview it was i think they've gotten you up at like seven in the morning to do one of the Today Show or one of these shows. Was I grumpy or bitchy? No, you were honest.
It was you. So I was grumpy and bitchy.
You were promoting one of the Ice Age movies. It was a sequel.
And you're sitting there with the whole cast and it's Queen Latifah

and Ray Romano

and

the host of the show says,

what keeps you guys

coming back

to do another

one of these movies?

I think like

Dennis Leary

looked over

and kind of smirked

and nobody knew

what to say

and you just kind of

lean forward

and you're like,

the money.

The money was incredible.

I'm not going to lie. It was the most money I have ever seen and will ever see in my life because they made a huge mistake.
They thought that the movie was going to fail so they didn't do a contract with us to continue. And the thing blew up and was this juggernaut it was huge and then they had to

renegotiate with me and i went for it i'm glad you did i got every yeah yeah you got him yeah it just was such a funny moment because you had all just admitted that you go into a studio by yourselves record for a while and then the movie comes out and it's like oh yeah on set we became of family? Of course it was for the fucking money.

No, but I love

the character. I do love it.

I love the character. I do love, I love, Mel Blanc was my hero.
So whenever I do all these animated movies like Encanto and Dora the Exploradora and all the stuff that I do, I really love what I do and I try to really create a real character that I believe in. We were talking about...
Nobody cares they they were they're thinking about the money they're like yeah i'm glad you love playing playing a little rat or whatever how much but yeah we're in a capitalist america i forget uh but uh we were we were really marveling at the the like the range of roles you've had over the years and like i didn't that, because I think of you as having been a stand-up and then suddenly you're playing Tybalt in Romy and Juliet, but you had been doing Shakespeare at the public theater before you were ever- Yeah, I mean, I was always an actor who was very funny, or at least I thought I was funny. And I made a living out of it.
And i was diverse because there were no opportunities for latin men in america so i had to reinvent myself constantly and and become different things that would you know garner me a career yeah like you do too wasn't talent it was just trying to survive no it's and it's got to be some of the talent you You're so charismatic. Okay, I'll take that.
You've been sitting here. Please.
I got you. You got me.
You got me. Hey, you've had me.
You've had me. So you do Tu Wong Fu.
Uh-huh. And.
Oh, yeah. Damn, I'm hot.
But that was like i'd do me that was great and why right who wouldn't but like that was a that was like a brave thing for the three of you to do at that time yeah like you guys really and wasn't it wasn't a joke like you committed to this and it was a really like you it was a it was a it was a really like uh interesting and brave movie for three male straight male actors to take on especially for the two of them because nobody really knew who i was yeah you know except for theater people in new york city but the two of them were like you know leading men action leading men and for them to do the roles and to really commit to doing it right and giving it integrity, that took a lot of courage. Yeah, and at the time...
Rest in peace, Patrick Swayze. Yeah, you can applaud for Patrick Swayze.
Yeah, yeah. He did a great job.
I mean, we didn't get along on the set too much. No, not too much.
I'm a New York actor.

You know,

this is my shot.

I was going to take it.

And I was improvising all the time, making up crazy

dialogue. I made up so much shit.

And he couldn't take it because I was relentless.

I'm a New Yorker. I never shut up.

And he told me to shut up.

And I was like, make me.

And Wesley said, I got you.

And so we were ready to duke it out,

which is stupid because we're in skirts and pumps.

We were too method.

I think we were menstruating.

But that was it.

Did you ever repair it?

Or was it just you never got along?

Yeah, no, no.

We repaired it.

Yeah, yeah.

Well, that's good.

Not too much.

That's good.

But now, I'm sorry.

I repaired it on your show just now. No, that's good but now now yeah i'm sorry i repaired on your show just now no that's beautiful now i like so toong fu i think has become a cult classic i have another movie of yours that i believe deserves cult classic consideration what's that it's super mario brothers you know i loved this movie at the time because you're young you're young yeah that's you don't know better no it's good have you gone back and watched it no i can't i can't it's good no no i mean i you know i i fancy myself an artist you know and i did this because it was it was my only opportunity at the time you know as a latin man you know it was like i i didn't get that many choices and this was the directors were really they had a fight for me because i was a latin dude and and the student didn't want me and they fought at annabelle and annabelle jankle and rocky morton and uh you know it was a tough movie to make man we were We were doing it in a cement factory.
Everybody got white lung from the cement. The sound effects told them that, you know, all that steam is going to wreck the audio.
So I had to record for a month. We all had to record all our lines.
Entire. I'd never done it in my life.
Like, dub yourself for the entire movie. So you had to go into a studio and watch it? Yes, the whole thing and go over it and over it.

What a cursed movie.

It's also just sort of like,

we found our Mario and Luigi.

Oh, I assume that given

this wonderful Italian-American actor,

yes, yes, it's Bob Hoskins and John Leguizamo.

Obviously.

We share no DNA.

It makes no sense whatsoever.

There's no 23 meet links anywhere for us. a kind of a british guy a latin guy from new york that those are that's our marriage yeah that's our twins yeah fantastic well i think it was great i'm i i love it i love it now i mean now i really appreciate it and i know it became a cult classic especially for young folk like yourselves.
You also... I'll defend that movie to death.

It was fun. It was back when movies could be fun.
It is fun. It's fun.
I appreciate it. Speaking of fun.
What is that? You don't sound like you're having fun. You're in multiple scenes that like broke my brain that I was, that I shouldn't have seen when I saw them one of them is you are the shooter in the film regarding Henry does anybody remember regarding Henry you were that is I don't remember it either and I was in it you don't know I remember I of course I remember I was I was a shooter I'm, oh my God, I'm denigrating my people.
They made me the only Latin person in the movie, and I'm killing the white guy. Yeah.
Oh, shooting the white guy. Yeah, shoot him.
Yeah, you really fucked him up. He lives, he lives.
You fucked him up. It's a really dark scene.
I couldn't even shoot well. I don't even kill him.
You don't even kill him. I just wound him.
I'm a bad Latin shooter. But it's a chilling scene.
I wouldn't like, I wouldn't even show it because it actually is like, it's a very, it's awful. Oh no, it's terrible, terrible.
Yeah. But Mike Nichols.
Yes, that's why I did it. Right.
And then we became friends for life. Really? He came to see Spickerama.
He took me out to dinner many times. I went to his apartment.
I saw his Picassos. That's so cool.
What's amazing about that scene is, so Mike Nichols, he's directing all these different kinds of movies it's a well he's one of those important directors in american history of course and but he directs that scene and it's chilling and haunting and excellent even though it's not i sort of you just see that even in that moment he's an amazing director i wonder what it was like to do that because you're there for what you're in one very critical scene yeah Yeah. And it's just like, do you remember being directed by Mike Nichols that day? Yeah.
I mean, you know, he's very friendly. He's a sweetheart.
And he'd seen me in Mambo Mouth. And so he was he wanted to give me an opportunity.
So that was my opportunity. And, you know, he just said, you know, just be, you know, like you're casual and just turn around and shoot him like you're like you're buying something.
So, yes, I did it really casually. And then I shot, you know, Harrison Ford, which is so terrible, even though it wasn't a real gun or anything.
But you feel bad. I'm a human being.
You know, I'm not a real shooter. That's acting.
Yeah. Yeah.
Well, but you're still I'm an actor and I'm killing the poor guy. It's terrible.
Yeah. You got him real good.
Also, you played the Violator in Spawn. Let's show a picture of Spawn of the Violator.
That is some fucking nightmare fuel. Oh, wow.
That was rough. That was like my first makeup test was eight hours.
And that was back in the day when they glued your face with real glue. It wasn't like special creams and shit.
Yeah, it was bad. It was rough.
That's a scary character. But I enjoyed the hell out of it.
They let me improvise like crazy. I said the craziest things.
I better get credit for the second movie when they remake it. Because they're remaking everything I did.
I'm so old.

They're remaking everything that I did.

They remade Super Mario Brothers.

Oh, right.

Of course.

It was a huge hit.

Yeah.

It was cartoon?

Yeah.

Yeah.

They're remaking this.

Blumhouse is remaking it.

They're going to do Spawn again?

Yeah, with Jamie Foxx.

That's cool.

As Spawn, yeah.

That's a good Spawn.

Yeah.

They should bring you back.

Okay.

Call Jason.

Yeah.

Make it happen.

I would like to do that.

Let's, somebody. You got that kind of pull.
Come on. Yeah, yeah.
Let me, yeah, no. Let me go to my list of podcast connections and see how many steps it takes to get to a movie.
All right. So on July 6th, you have the second season of leguizamo does america you're traveling across the country talking to latino communities uh you've spoken out about the protests in los angeles a lot of people haven't uh what are you trying to do with this show and then also why do you think more people let's learn that what are you trying to do with the show well i'm going across going across America looking for Latin exceptionalism, Latin innovation, Latin genius, looking for Latin celebration, celebrating all the things that we brought to this country that we get no credit for, that we're never celebrated for, that we're just ignoring and erased.
So that's what I'm trying to undo, you know, especially in this time of great violence to Latin bodies and Latin people in this country.

You know, it's a sad time to be a Latin person in this country.

I talk to a lot of Latin organizers, actors, activists, politicians,

and we're all trying to figure out what to do

because it's a tough time to see all these people being hurt like that,

mothers and children and fathers and brothers and people that look just like my family um it's tough but i'm trying to bring some opposite you know because we have to we have to celebrate the little joys we have to do the it's like an antidote to what we're watching on on on the gram and on tiktok you know but i'm glad it's being shown because otherwise there's no evidence and we need all the witnesses and testimonies that we can keep what are is there thank you is there an example from the show and you've also done a done a history show too yeah yeah is there an example from the show that you think kind of is relevant to what's happening right now well yeah i mean when i went to raleigh which i figured they know latin people in raleigh but uh there was a ton of latin people there and they were brought there in the 70s uh you know like we were brought we've we've been in this country the first european language spoken in america was not english was spanish and we've been here since 1492. And to see that we're being rounded up again for the fourth time in this country, it's incredible to me that it's happening for the fourth time.
It happened with the Repatriation Act. Two million Latinos were deported, even though they were all, most of them were American citizens, but they were deported after the depression.
We were blamed for taking jobs, same as is going on now. And then it happened in the Wetback Act in the 1950s.
Over a million and a half Latinos were deported. Half of them were citizens.
Some of them were undocumented. And then they're doing it again.
So that was in the PBS series.

I think we dealt with that a little bit.

But in Raleigh, there was all these immigrants brought in the 70s

to work in the factories and in the food processing.

And they stayed, and they fixed up a lot of communities

and rebuilt them, as we often do.

And we go there, and we celebrate all these activists

who are helping undocumented immigrants and rebuilding all these communities. Beautiful.
I think... You know, the nativism we're seeing now, so when my family was coming into this country, it was in a wave of Jewish and Italian immigrants.

Was that late 1800s or early 1900s?

Early 1900s.

And they were in a crest of immigrants that made New York City like 40% immigrant at the time.

And it led to a nativist backlash, which led to that number dropping, which was all part of the same sort of conditions that were leading to the Great Depression,

which then also led to a whole bunch of nativism against Mexican and Latin immigrants as well. It was all connected.
That the nativism that was targeting the shifty Jews in New York and that was leading to the same kind of quotas that ultimately meant Jews were excluded from this country during the Holocaust. Right, right, right.
It was the same set of forces that were causing the expulsion of Mexicans to Mexico,

even though they were coming into this country to work.

Right, they were brought in here.

They had to be brought into this country to work.

They were invited, part of a program.

Bracero program.

Bracero program.

We were brought here to work.

And what's crazy is we were brought here in the 1800s as well.

I mean, we've been here anyway.

But, you know, from Mississippi to the Pacific was Mexico until 1830. And we were brought here.
We built, after our Asian brothers and sisters were kicked out in the 1840s, 50s, we came in and finished all the trains and tracks, and we called ourselves traqueros because of tracks, and we finished it all the all the all the infrastructure in the southwest and west we we finished and then we were kicked out and uh there's an incredible story this woman carmelita torres in in 1910 she started the bath riots because latinos were brought into texas and all the southwest to work on the farms you know typical and homes and she was. But what they would do was they would make the men and women separate, get naked, spray them with Zyklon B gas.
And if they had lice, they would sometimes set their hairs on fire. And she protested.
A 17-year-old girl, she disappeared after that. But the Nazis borrowed a lot of those techniques that they were using in the Southwest on us.

That's what the Nazis borrowed.

Let's get a picture of the violator up again.

That's what they look like.

And yet you've never apologized for this.

Look how scary that is.

A child, children could see that.

I've damaged so many poor children.

But I got paid well, though. I bought my second home and a pool.
Wow. Look at that.
Can you hate me for that? That's a that's what you that's the face you make when you just realize you're going to get a pool. Well, thank you so much for being here.
Pleasure man. You stick around.
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It's Anthony Kerrigan and Aristotle Atari. Thank you for being here.
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Hi, thanks for being here. Thanks.
Thank you. It's great to be here.
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Gentlemen, you've all tangled with villains on both the small and silver screens, but unfortunately we live in reality, which is why we wanted to test your knowledge of the many, many IRL villainous deeds afoot this week in a thrilling segment we're calling News It or Lose It, Evil Eye Witness News. Why is that just a picture of my face?

John, I'll start with you. This week, U.S.
Customs and

Border Protection denied blocking a Norwegian

tourist from entering the country after they discovered

a disrespectful meme on

his phone. Oh, snap.
Who was it a

meme about?

Was it a meme about? Probably

Stephen Miller?

So close. So close.
Anybody want to steal it? Yep. Chubby Vance.
You got it. You got it.
It was Chubby Vance. That's why I took face recognition off my phone.
Yeah, you gotta passcode. I don't know the passcode.
I can't remember. You're making me nervous.
I'm practicing because I know they're going to come from me.

And it was so good.

Yes, the CPB, the Custom Board Patrol, called it false,

saying that he actually was kicked out for admitting drug use.

But I don't really, that doesn't totally make sense.

So you have this meme on your phone and then you just admit to drug use

and they send you back to Norway?

Doesn't really make sense. Seems like they were going through his phone.
Not really clear why either. Something to think about.
Anthony. What tech billionaire was reportedly considering moving his wedding out of Venice after protests broke out across the city against him and his multinational conglomerate? Are you asking me because I'm bald? Oh my God, Jeff Bezos.
Ding, ding, ding. Or is it? Yeah.
I knew it, but I was just, yeah. Don't say anything bad about Jeff Bezos.
He funds a lot of movies. No, and we do love that.
And we do love our... And good for him for doing that.
Yeah. What a guy.
What a guy. What a dude.
We love our tech giants and their forays into scripted television and film. We applaud all of these conglomerates for dipping their toe in and letting us make all kinds of wonderful shows.
Art. Art.
Patrons of the arts. Yes, they are.
And so, anyway, this is a segment about hating those people protesting those good newlyweds and their wedding. Those poor little guys, you know, just trying to get married.
But this was the... Can we show the wedding invitation? It looks just like clip art.
What? It just doesn't look like that's what you get

when you have the most money.

How is that what you landed on?

Just looks like dog shit.

But it's stealth wealth, right?

Stealth wealth.

Yeah, yeah, stealth wealth.

That's stealth wealth.

That's stealth wealth.

Except for the whole event, but...

But Anthony, you brought up baldness.

I did.

Or did I, actually? Well, I brought up a baldness. I did.
Or did I, actually?

Well, I brought up a bald man.

You did, that's true.

I get the association.

But you were in the upcoming Superman.

Yes.

Which is in July 11th.

Yeah, I know.

You're playing Metamorpho.

Yes.

Now, can we show a picture of Metamorpho?

Wow.

How cool is that?

I know, it's pretty sweet, isn't it?

I love it, yeah. Am I blocking you? No, no, no.
Looking at yourself? I've seen it before. Is Metamorpho a villain or am I judging a book by its cover? So he's complicated.
He's definitely complicated. I don't want any spoilers, you know, but there's definitely, you know,

there's a great character arc, I would say,

for my character.

I'm very excited.

Does he start out looking like that?

Yes.

Cool.

So the character arc isn't about why he looks like that.

No, I mean, but the comic books,

I mean, if you're interested,

the comic books are actually a very fascinating story.

Really?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.

Metamorpho.

Yeah.

It's a cool name.

Metamorpho.

Metamorpho. Now, you've played villains.
I have. Do you think you're typecast because you're bald? Yeah.
I think that, you know, the bad, like, bald guys and bad guys are kind of synonymous, you know? It's just, it's an easy, it's an easy thing, you know? But why? I don't know. I don't know.
I'm just such a great dude. I'm like, what, you know, why do they keep doing that to me? I don't think there's anything inherently villainous about being bald.
I know. It's one of those unconscious things, though, I think.
Oh. I don't know.
I don't know why. I don't know what it is.
But, yeah, just this bad guy. Like Lex Luthor, another bald bad guy, you know.
Mr. Evil.
Mr. Evil.
You were on Gotham, right? Yeah, another bad guy. Who'd you play on Gotham? Victor Zazz.
Victor Zazz. Yeah.
Wow. And bald.
And bald. I love it, though.
Do they ever put wigs on you? I have, yeah. Something that I've coming up and wearing a wig.
A long black wig. Are you a villain? Yeah.
Even with hair. Even with hair.
I know. That's a good theme.

So it's interesting.

So you're a villain when you're bald.

You're a villain when you're not bald.

Maybe it's you.

Maybe it's something inside.

Wow.

Cool.

Thanks for having me.

Aristotle.

Bernie Sanders stopped by the Joe Rogan podcast

to issue a warning this week.

At the end of the day, all we got is us.

Yes.

Is that right?

Yeah.

We are human beings.

Yeah.

And we're going to have to cling to each other

to get through this thing.

That message really stuck with Joe Rogan, by the way.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm going to get this wrong, but go ahead.

What's your question?

What is the thing we're getting through in which we have to cling to each other? Is it A, Trump's second term, B, climate change, or C, falling in love with AI? Hmm. Wow.
Give me the options again. What's A? again what's a trump what's b climate change what's c falling in love with a i i'm gonna go with a incorrect oh it's falling in love with a i let's show let's show the full clip god damn it at the end of the All we got is us.
Yeah. Is that right? Yeah.
We are human beings. Yeah.
And we're going to have to cling to each other to get through this thing. All I would say at this moment is the answer is not to fall in love with your AI creature out there.
Yeah, don't do that. Why did he get such an easy question? And I got led into something that I think everybody thought it was going to be Trump.
You did have multiple choice, though. Yeah, yeah.
You were set up. You were set up.
Hey, you know what? We got you. Yeah, yeah.
It was a gotcha moment. It was a gotcha.
It was a big time gotcha. And you got had.
Are you at all concerned that you're going to fall in love with your ai creature

as bernie refers to it you know i have talked about this before this is not a setup for something that i've that i came up with prior to the show but uh but i have said i'm not really concerned about i'm not really worried about nuclear warfare i'm not worried about the real the main thing i'm worried about is the moment that we can create some kind of like an AI robot lover then we're all screwed. Now you are literally.
Because nobody is going to leave home. Right? You're not.
Right? You're definitely not.

I watched the movie Companion on a plane,

so I still have 20 minutes left,

and I don't think it gets to be in favor of it.

Sure.

Based on the first hour and 15 minutes,

they seem very anti-robot sex monster.

But as a theory, it's not the monster's fault.

It's Frankenstein's fault. Yes.
But you're in Megan 2.0. Correct.
I love how you had to be like, it's 2.0. Yeah, it's 2.0.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because there's also a three in the name.
That's just true. So that's why I was checking the facts.
Wrong again. God damn it.
It has a three in the name, but it's two. Yes, yes, yes.
It'll be fun when it's Megan three, because then you just make the three bigger. Yes, yes, yes.
Wow. What was Megan like to work with on set? I hear she's quite the prankster.
She was. And, you know, kind of racy in real life.
It was kind of interesting. It was interesting, actually, like acting opposite this animatronic robot because she was actually really good.
She knew her lines better than I knew my lines. But no, it was kind of fun.
It was cool. It was interesting.
You should go see the movie. Thank you.
John. Oh, what? Cobra Kai star Martin Cove was escorted out of Washington State's Summer Con after he did what to his co-star Alicia Hannah Kim? Oh, wow.
I think I missed that week of news. I don't know.
What are his multiple choices? Yeah, I don't even get multiple choices. What is that about? Hey, what's up with that? Is it because I'm Latin? That's right.
Yeah, that's right. Harder questions for you.
Okay. All right, maybe I am a little bitter.
Let me come up with four. Let me come up with three.
How about just two? A, did he bite her arm? Did he bite her arm? B, did he push her down a flight of stairs? Or C, did he spit in her soup? I know they answered it. Do you want a lifeline or no? Can I get a lifeline? Yeah, you get a lifeline.
All right. What is it? He did not spit in her soup.
I know they answered it. Do you want a lifeline or no? Can I get a lifeline? Yeah, you get a lifeline.
He did not spit in her soup. He did not spit in her soup.
That's correct. There you go.
I won. He bit his co-star.
Yes. Wow.
What? Yeah, come on. Explain this.
What the hell's going on? He said it was a joke. Has anyone ever bit you on set, John Leguizamo?

Or an animal bit me.

A snake bit me.

Really?

Yeah.

In the past, this movie I did, they brought an anaconda, but it was a baby anaconda.

So it was like only four feet tall, four feet long.

And they put it near my crotch.

I don't know why I allowed that.

I'll do anything for a laugh.

And it bit me on the thigh like several times.

I had to go to the hospital for tetanus shots.

And they cut that scene out of the Super Mario Brothers movie.

Yeah.

It did.

Wait, what was it for?

No, the pest, the pest.

Oh, it was for the pest.

It was for the pest.

Hmm.

Hmm.

But they didn't use it or they did use it?

They didn't use the biting part.

They just had the snake come towards my, you know.

Thank you. but they didn't use it or they did use it they didn't use the biting part they just had the snake come towards my

you know

Bob Hoskins broke his arm or his hand

he did? how do you know that?

because I read your book

oh okay

I paid him for that

and you threw up chicken skins

one time or no no

was it crickets? sorry

yeah crickets I threw them up

yeah because I ate a ton of them and I drank too much Thank you. And you threw up chicken skins one time.
Or no, no. Was it crickets?

Sorry.

Yeah, crickets.

I threw them up.

You threw up crickets?

Yeah, because I ate a ton of them

and I drank too much

and then I threw them all up

over Patrick Swayze.

Oh.

Too Wong Fu.

Too Wong Fu.

Can't believe you guys

didn't get along.

We got along sometimes.

It wasn't always contentious.

This improv guy

just threw up bugs on me. I hate it.
Wait. So, let's think of a transition.
Any biting in the pornos you're directing in Smoke? Oh, great. Let's talk about Smoke.
Still got it. Smoke is a great series, man.
It's based on true crime Dennis Lehane the greatest true crime novelist of our time And it's based on John Orr in the 90s Was the preeminent arsonist Investigator And it ended up that he was setting the fires himself And he killed over a dozen people It makes him makes him nervous it makes him we now think you're sick freaks what a weird thing to lose it over yeah at this moment i think you're an arsonist i think you set fires for fun and it makes you excited she's pointed to her literally will not stop laughing oh my god that's. That's funny.
So he was setting up fires and a dozen people died and burned millions of dollars worth of property and he would have never stopped if they didn't catch him. And then when does the porn directing come in? Oh, okay.
Well, I'm not the arsonist. Well, I don't want to spoil her, but I get too close to the arsonist and I'm his best friend and I'm going to turn him in and then he sets me up to be the fall guy and he ruins my career and I turn to drugs and I become a porn director.
Wow. That's what most firefighters do when they lose their jobs.
You know what? You got to just be open to what the universe is telling you.

Sometimes you got to direct porn.

Totally.

Classic pipeline, you know?

Anthony, on Wednesday, Aaron Sorkin announced

he will write and direct a movie about

what tech billionaires dastardly deeds.

I'll give you a hint. It a sequel zuckerberg yeah we're getting social network too oh wow yeah yeah part two that was the audio it's based on the wall street journal facebook files published in 2021 about the platform's devastating effect

on mental health of teens.

And apparently Aaron's going to direct it.

I'm excited about it.

That's great.

That's great.

Wow.

Yeah, yeah.

I love that Lucy movie.

That was incredible.

Made the funniest woman in America unfunny.

I love that.

I was like, look,

you don't need jokes with Lucy. You want a stone-faced, marble-faced woman to be Lucy.
Oh, my God. This is so true.
Hey, Anthony. Hey.
Why do you think tech billionaires go all Lex Luthor sometimes? I don't think they go like that.

I don't think they go Lex Luthor.

I think they're, they have it within them.

You know, I, someone I know like says that money makes you more of who you are.

Oh yeah.

So if you're, you know, a pretty good person, I think you'll, you'll be inspired to continue

to be a good person.

But if there's that thing inside of you, that's just like, you know, wants to be evil, it's going to come out. It's going to come out.

Money for some people is like, it's permission. It's permission.
It's permission. Yeah.
And I

think a lot of people like succeed because they're kind of evil and because, you know,

capitalism can kind of like really, you know, yield pretty horrible people just rising the ranks.

Is that what you found

when you got the money from the Ice Age thing?

I plead the fifth.

Aristotle. Yes.
This week

Kim Kardashian was announced as the villain

in the upcoming movie adaptation of what toy line from Amazon,

which we love?

Is it A?

You got multiple choice.

No, here's the thing.

I hate that I didn't know the answer to the first question,

but I do know the answer to this one.

Okay.

Is it Bratz?

It is Bratz.

Thank you. It is Bratz dolls.
That was good. You're welcome.
That's cool. Okay.
I thought it was, yeah. And you're just a big Bratz guy.
You keep up with Bratz. Can we cut this? I love Bratz, yeah.
I'm a big Bratz fan. I collect a lot of Bratz.
In fact, the more money I make, the true version of me is a big Bratz collector. Big Bratz collector.
The true me. Do any of you have a toy version of yourself? I have a Spawn version and a Super Mario Bros.
version that looks more like Stallone, but who cares?

That's cool.

I love how this is going to go because you'd be like, yes, I got this.

Yes, I don't.

Yeah.

No, as I was asking, I asked the group, but it wasn't about you. I didn't think you did.

Sorry.

I knew you didn't.

You have to keep plugging Bratz.

Yeah.

The funny thing is, I have his toy.

Which one?

The Spawn one. Spawn and and i actually have his too and i should have brought both of them to have signed yeah it'd be worth a lot more when you flip it on ebay maybe wait anthony what doll are you uh i have one from gotham and i and i think i've got metamorpho from yeah from uh superman yeah metamorph.
Oh, cool. You get a little taste of it, of the action or no? I don't think so.
If he doesn't think so, then he doesn't. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, pretty much. How come you never asked for a taste? You would know if you were getting a taste.
Yeah, how come we never got a... Why didn't you ask for a taste?

I feel like... It's like, hey, just get a taste.

Let me ask you this.

Why don't you get your beak wet?

We want you to get your beak wet.

I'm just going to email my agent and just say...

Where's my taste?

Yeah.

Where's my taste?

Can I get a taste?

No context, and I just...

Hopefully she'll figure it out. It's hard to get...
Don't call HR, Don't worry. It's hard to get it after the movie's done being filmed.
You have Love It or Leave It t-shirts and all that stuff, right? Yeah. You get a taste? Yeah.
Do you have a doll? What? Do you have a doll? Not yet. Well, you will.
But we'll think about it. We'll crunch the numbers.
And if you do, what happens? What? We'll get my beak wet.

Get a little taste.

Get a little taste.

Get a little taste.

Haven't you learned something from this?

No, I already knew about getting a taste.

Okay, great, great.

Tiebreaker question, because it is tied.

Critics and fans alike were abuzz about Danny Boyle's new post-apocalyptic horror movie

28 Days Later featuring a cannibalistic zombie featured in the film who had what?

Aristotle knows this.

He does.

He knows everything.

He knows this.

A big haug.

He does have a big haug.

Yeah, yeah.

Let's show it.

No.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, wow.

Apparently, wait, is that it?

But apparently it's a prosthetic, right?

It's not even real.

Oh, really?

Yeah.

That ruins the fantasy for me.

Sorry.

I'm sorry.

No, he did.

Yes.

The actor reassured that it's a prosthetic,

but when asked by the outlet if it's proportional,

the actor, Lewis Perry, said...

Can you get a taste?

You get a taste.

You don't want a taste of that. He said, I'm six foot eight.
I'll say no more. Hey.
Wow, more like 28 inches later. Hey.
Yeah, yeah. He makes the big bucks.
All right. Arisal, you won the game.
Yeah!

Because you know about Bratzdahl and some guy's huge wang.

Your wang.

It's prosthetic wang.

And that's News It or Lose It,

Evil Eye, Witness Edition.

Megan 2.0 in theaters now.

Superman, which is in July 11th.

And Smoke.

Yes, on your Apple TVs. Yeah, June 27th.
Because the plus is for TV shows. Yeah.
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We are off next week for the 4th of July, so tonight we're going to get a jump on our patriotism in a segment we're calling Let Freedom Rant. All right.
Oh, yeah. It put us on some great, nice bodies.
We'll spin the wheel and each of us will share one thing we'd like to declare our independence from. Something you want to be independent from.
Let's spin the wheel. Aristotle, it's landed on you.
What do you want to declare your independence from? From my cell phone. From my iPhone.
I'm actually doing it, too. Not right now, but I'm doing it tomorrow.
How are you going to do it? Well, I bought, I got this thing called a dumb phone. Or it's a class of phone.
This is a real thing. And it's basically kind of a technologically unremarkable phone.
And it just kind of gives me what I need. Email, text messages, just basic stuff.
Email, text messages, phone calls, just the basics. Email, text messages, phone calls, like a little bit of internet.
Just the basics. So just text messages, email, phone call, little bit of internet, some social media.
But it's the basics. But it has like an e-ink black and white screen, and it's not very fun to kind of scroll through.
But yeah, the idea is to kind of get, because I honestly it's the basics. But it has like an e-ink black and white screen and it's not very fun to kind of scroll through.
But yeah, the idea is to kind of get, because I honestly, it's a lot, you know. It's too much for me.
That's my independence. I like that.
I like that. Are you addicted to your phone? Oh, hell yeah.
Nice. I can't live without my phone.
I miss it right now. Yeah.
I'm touching my phone. They're bad for us.
You ever notice when someone takes out their phone, you just instinctually just take it out? Yes. Of course.
Of course. It's so corrosive.
And it really like hits me. Corrosive? No, no.
I think it's inspiring. Inspiring.
Beautiful. I get a lot of stuff done on my phone.
No, no. do I accomplish a lot we do get a lot done on the phone

for sure

yeah for sure

and I don't want to

I don't want to say

that you don't want

to yuck your yum

if it's working for you

clearly it is

you're drawing like

was on

it's working

no you could be

you could

you could

yeah

no it's not because

of not

well

it's not holding

your back

you could be contentious

with me

it's okay

I don't mind

I mean if I wanted

to be I would be

I want to talk to

Aaron Sorkin

I want to

do you have his number

I'd no

I don't mind. I mean, if I wanted to be, I would be.
I want to talk to Aaron Sorkin. I want to...
Do you have his number? No. We lost touch after Newsroom Season 3.
I like Newsroom. It was such a great show.
The whole time... Did you write the best monologues or what? Yeah, no, they're all me.
I thought so. I could tell.
I could tell it was you. What were we talking about? Oh, the phone.
You know what I downloaded to my phone? What? An app where it, every time I try to open Twitter, Instagram, or TikTok, something pops up and says, take a deep breath. And it goes slowly down the screen.
And it tells me how many times I've opened it in the last 24 hours. And it has just made it so much harder for me to do the thing I was going to do anyway and continue to do relentlessly.
So now you're spending more time on your phone. Basically taking these breaths.
I know. I mean, look, you could do all the things that you can do on some of these dumb phones.
It's just like a black and white, very slightly slower version of an iPhone. You could do all the things that you want to do on your phone, John.
And I'm calling I'm John because we're him John because we're friends now. You read my autobiography.
Yeah, I did. I feel close to you as well.
A few times. He's got great stories about Seagal too, by the way.
Oh my God, I hate him. He hit me.
He hit you? Steven Seagal hit him. We were doing this movie, Executive Decision.
I was supposed to be his right-hand man. He comes into the first day of rehearsal,

and he goes, what I say is law.

And I was like, bah!

Because I thought he was joking,

and he elbowed me into my solar plexus,

knocked me to the ground,

and I was like, I hate you.

So that, I mean, can I do a spoiler

for 1993's Executive Decision?

Yes, yes, good. Don't.
No. He meant it.
Let's spin it again. He dies.
He dies. Ten minutes in.
In the first ten minutes. Well, that's the thing.
I don't understand why he had time to punch you because you get out of the fucking stealth bomber into Marine One or whatever. No, it's just an airplane.
He didn't want to come out the day he died out of his trailer because he didn't want to die. He was furious, right? And I was waiting for him.
Even though it was fake, I wanted to believe it was real. Because the movie uh kurt russell and and steven seagal it's

all advertised a host of other actors a lot of great actors but steven seagal is like a big he's

an action star yeah he's done under siege and now and then you're 10 minutes into the movie

and the the fucking connector to the plane is shaking i love it and then all of a sudden

steven seagal goes like complete the mission and then closes the fucking thing you're like

dies yes dead that's why he punched you he was mad at the world he was in russia he lives in russia and he's like with putin yeah for sure how does he say he says it putin he was legitimately mad that he was it's almost like he didn't even know he was going to die in this movie and he signed on he was there and he literally wouldn't come out of his trailer again i'm because this is all based on the book but I'm telling you he wouldn't come out yeah yeah they had to talk

talk him out of his trailer again i'm because this is all based on the book but i'm telling you he wouldn't come out yeah yeah they had to talk talk him out of his trailer because he was trying to talk them into keep him alive yeah so he thought he assumed that he saw the script so i was supposed to die and assumed he would charm his way yes yes because they had the most charming human being on the planet once they had the steven seagal experience they couldn couldn't possibly let the stealth bomber just fly off their thing. As soon as he elbowed you in the solar plexus, they would keep him on.
Yes. Once he leveled John Leguizamo on set, they'd be like...
5'8", he's 6'5", and runs like a girl, which is nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with that.
He does. He's double-dutching like this.
Yeah. Yeah, he does.
He does. He runs like that.
For real, no joke. It's true.
He did run track in high school. But he will kick your ass.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's 6'5".
He did kick my ass. I'm not going to lie.
He's a big dude. I read the book so I can talk like I was there.
So, yeah. So, he hit him.
And then John and Kurt Russell had butting heads because he kept improvising. No, I know.
We didn't get along either. I don't get along with a lot of people.
It was a lot. I was just like, why are you doing this, man? I have to say, we've done hundreds of episodes of this show.
I've never in the history just been, had someone else be like, I want to go through the book of another guest. And I love it.
It's awesome. It's awesome.
It's amazing. It's fantastic.
He's a hero to me. You don't understand.
I'm not kidding. So the last time I met a hero backstage, I didn't tell him how much...
When I finish the story, you're going to say thank you. I'm saying thank you already.
The last time I was backstage with a hero, which was Robin Williams, and I did a full-on show with him at UCB. I acted like a fucking cool cucumber.
I didn't tell him how important he was to me. And he even talked to us for a good hour after the show.
And then not that long after that, he was gone. And the same thing happened with John Ritter.
Oh, my God. You're the.
I'm the. I got to go.
No, no, no. What I'm saying.
What I'm trying to say. Angel of death.
Get out of here. Get out of here.
You don't die. Get away from me.
You're going to kill John Leguizamo. Get away from me.
Angel of fucking death. That's why I'm telling you.
No! Don't say my name! Don't say my name! There you go. I'm telling you because I want you alive.
I think we'll sage it mentally. You can come back probably.
Yeah, come back. I think he's really gone.
I think he's... Here's the thing.
You don't get to be John Leguizamo without committing to the bit. He's in his car.
He's fucking gone. I met one of my heroes once.
It was George Lucas. And I was at a party because I was at the time a plus one to someone who was invited to that kind of thing.
And I see George Lucas and I'm like, I'm going to go ask. And my partner at the time said, don't do it.
And I'm like, I'm going to ask. I was like, don't do it.
I'm going to do it. So I go up to George Lucas and I was like, hey, the internet has a theory.
The theory is that Jar Jar Binks was always meant to be revealed in the third film to be Darth Jar Jar. It was supposed to be this reveal because you set up Jar Jar as this flummoxed goof.
And then all of a sudden in the third movie, Jar Jar drops the act and you realize Darth Jar Jar was there the whole time pulling the strings and there are way if you look in the first movie you can find out um signs of this but that the reaction to Jar Jar was so negative that he killed that and invented Count Dooku and just replaced what was supposed to be Darth Jar Jar with Count Dooku which doesn't actually say why wouldn't you have introduced, Count Dooku doesn't make sense. It's just like the whole thing's a mess.

And so I went up to George Lucas and I was like,

what?

Dark Jar Jar, was it real?

And when I say that that man looked at me

with a level of disdain,

like, like, like, he was like, no, what?

Like, it wasn't even like a fun, charming wink. No, it was, no.
What? Never. Nothing.
Never occurred to me, what are you talking about? I think that would have been so rad, actually. I know.
It was a good idea. It was a great idea.
Totally. Misa the bad guy.
Yeah. Do we think, you know, you guys seen the movie the movie John can you please come back John Leguizamo it's safe to come back is it safe to come back it's safe it's safe I'm just saying I'm telling you this so that it doesn't happen that's what I'm saying because I didn't to the other guys other guys, and here you go.
Okay? So there you go. You got all...
Beautiful. You got the whole spectrum of feelings going on.
Always meet your heroes, then kill them. Yes.
Let's... Let's spin it again.
Anthony, what is something you want to declare your independence from?

Steven Seagal.

He runs like a girl.

You know, he hit my buddy John.

I'm not, you know, yeah.

Wherever you are in Russia, you can fucking stay there.

Yeah.

You got him.

Let's spin it again.

John, what's something you'd like to declare your independence from?

How is it that it gets each one of us?

I'll ask it.

What is the purpose of the wheel at all?

There's four people on the stage.

We're each going to go. What's the value? Why do we do it? Am I ruining the whole thing, the whole reality of this? You couldn't because this has been a stupid gimmick for literally eight years.
It has never worked. I didn't mean to ruin it for you, but it was kind of odd.
Every time we drop the wheel, something isn't right. And even though this doesn't make sense at all, there's something it does

in our brains. Yes, it does.

It releases a little

endorphin or something when you see

your face stop on the wheel and you'll come alive.

They had the opposite effect.

There wasn't endorphins that...

Oh, wow.

Oh, wow.

I was going to say the Democratic Party.

I was feeling...

Thank you. Oh, wow.
Oh, wow. I was going to say the Democratic Party.
I was feeling... I don't know.
I feel like we're in such a mess, and it's... I don't know.
What do I do myself? I don't know. I've been a Democrat my whole entire life, but it's such a mess.
I don't know. Social Democrat? Socialist Democrat? I don't know.
Okay. Independent? It's a tough time to be a Democrat.
Yeah, they're a bunch of goofs. My view, my take I'm sure you have a good take.
My view on all of it is I am a Democrat. It's not because I love Democrats like the elected politicians.
It's because in a two-party system, and we will be a two-party system. I mean, you can do ranked choice, which is a great thing.
A lot of changes you can make, but if we have first past the post-congressional districts, we're just going to be some form of two-party system for a while unless we make some big reforms, which takes power to win, which would require the Democratic Party to win. But I've never, the Democratic Party is just the best vehicle we have to represent the biggest movement we could possibly build.
And that, to me, should be a big pro-democracy movement that captures basically anybody that believes in democracy, the rule of law, equality, basic compassion, that's anti-corruption, that sort of believes in these precepts. and we need to build as big a broad, diverse coalition of people under that banner.
Right now, it should be under the Democratic Party banner. I don't care if you register as a Democrat.
I don't care how anyone identifies, but you get behind the people. Sometimes they'll be Democrats.
Sometimes they might be Democratic Socialists like Mamdani. You get behind the people that are going to help achieve those ends and that are a part of it.
Okay, I'm sold. I'm back.
Great. Yay.
Thank you. Thank you for talking me down.
Yeah. No, and like.
I appreciate that. I just, it's, and then we have to do our best to make sure that the people that lead the Democratic Party aren't, you uh you know skeletons empty suits just sort of kind of crawling out from the abyss to release press statements uh in in front of a country they don't know or understand that to me is a big problem as well so that's something to think about.
Let's spin it again. Oh, it's landed on me.
Terrific. That's perfect.
You know, we're about to have the July 4th holiday, and there's going to be a lot of news that happens. I am eager to declare my independence from the news for a couple weeks uh we're gonna we're gonna take a break and i i find that like one of the hardest parts of keeping up with this era where part of the goal and strategy of the other side is to be relentless and exhausting, knowing that it takes more time to dispel something false than to say something false.
It's harder to play a game when you care about the rules. It just is.
But part of, I think, the challenge is feeling like it's hard to have perspective when you're keeping up with everything all the time. And I like keeping up with everything all the time, but I think sometimes it's valuable for all of us to take a moment, step back, and remember that the chaos machine, the kind of screaming chaos machine will be there, even if we put it aside for a little bit.
And I'm excited to step back for a couple of weeks and come back because one of the things I'm proudest about getting to do this show is we've been doing it for a very long time, but everybody in this team is interested in what it means to have it feel valuable and new, even though we're all, I think, going through this together. And a lot of what we have to point out to us feels a bit obvious.
Part of the dispiriting aspect to all of this is how much of what we're dealing with is both incredibly dangerous and incredibly obvious and stupid at the same time. But I'm really proud of the shows we've been doing, but I'm also excited to have some time for us to step back and think about how we can keep figuring out how to respond.
And I think sometimes that means for all of us getting back into history, getting out of the present. And so that's what I'm going to declare my independence from after we do the Pod Monday.
All right. Yeah, yeah.
And then I'll get to go see Megan 2.0. Yeah, got to see that.
Superman. And then watch you set stuff on fire and make some porno or whatever it is.

I think that's the gist of it on smoke.

And that's our show.

Thank you so much.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Anthony Kerrigan and Aristotle Atari.

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