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Speaker 1 Welcome to Love It or Leave It, live from Dynasty Typewriter.

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Speaker 1 We've got a great show for you tonight.

Speaker 1 Drag Race Icon, whose name is a rare pun that only works in an accent.

Speaker 2 Court, I gotta fucking do it.

Speaker 1 Courtney Act is here. Courtney Act.

Speaker 1 That's how you have to do it. Courtney Act.
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Speaker 1 Survivor legend, Poverty Shallow is here.

Speaker 1 Also of of Traitor's Fame, three of us are going to talk about our equally successful reality careers.

Speaker 1 Then we take our favorite reel for a villainous spin.

Speaker 1 But first, let's get into it. What a week.

Speaker 1 On Saturday, President Trump deployed 2,000 California National Guard troops to Los Angeles after protests against ICE sweeps in the city led to instances of vandalism and violence.

Speaker 1 LA has been in the news too much this year. Deadly wildfires and a military deployment were collectively too hot for this.

Speaker 1 The LAPD made clear that, as one of the largest police departments in the world, with 17 helicopters, including one that I believe is assigned above my house,

Speaker 1 it did not need and would not have requested the assistance. Because if we don't use these rubber bullets by the end of the summer, they go bad.

Speaker 1 They get soft. And then it starts to feel good.

Speaker 1 Too good.

Speaker 1 Trump's obvious goal was to stow chaos, which is exactly what he got at protests in downtown LA on Sunday. A group of demonstrators set several Waymo self-driving taxis on fire.

Speaker 2 Jesus.

Speaker 1 Still got to bestia just fine, though.

Speaker 2 So don't worry about that.

Speaker 1 We got an email. We talked about this on the pod.
whenever we recorded the pod earlier this week. And we joked about the fact that there were reports that people were calling Waymos

Speaker 1 to the protests to set them on fire, which is very kind of Wally. You know, it's like, why are you doing this?

Speaker 2 I'm here to help.

Speaker 1 I know nothing of ICE.

Speaker 1 We got an email from like PR at Waymo saying, actually, there's no evidence that that happened, but I know you guys just like to joke around. It's like, okay.

Speaker 2 How they get there.

Speaker 1 Meanwhile, National Guard troops who were deployed at an estimated cost of $134 million

Speaker 1 arrived without lodging and were photographed sleeping on floors.

Speaker 1 Hang in there, fellas. That was Jacob Alorty before Euphoria.

Speaker 2 Hold on to the dream.

Speaker 1 Trump went further Monday, mobilizing another 2,000 National Guard troops and more than 700 Marines. Semper Phi, more like Semper finally going to try that Haley Bieber smoothie.

Speaker 1 I love that joke. I don't care.

Speaker 2 Semper finally going going to try that Haley Bieber smoothie.

Speaker 1 As the escalation continued, Trump's border czar Tom Holman threatened to arrest anyone who obstructed immigration enforcement and wouldn't rule out arresting California Governor Gavin Newsom or L.A.

Speaker 1 Mayor Karen Bass. Good luck, Dick, because if I know Mayor Bass, she'll be out of the country at the first sign of trouble.

Speaker 1 Newsom had this response.

Speaker 4 He's a tough guy. Why doesn't he do that? He knows where to find me.

Speaker 2 But you know what?

Speaker 2 Lay your hands off four-year-old girls that are trying to get educated.

Speaker 4 Come after me, arrest me. Let's just get it over with.

Speaker 1 And then Newsom added,

Speaker 1 And then on Tuesday,

Speaker 1 Standing in front of uniformed members of the military, Trump accused Newsom and Bass of paying protesters in our own city.

Speaker 6 In Los Angeles, the governor governor of California and the mayor

Speaker 6 of Los Angeles,

Speaker 6 they're incompetent. And they paid troublemakers, agitators, and insurrectionists.

Speaker 6 They're engaged in this willful attempt to nullify federal law and aid the occupation of the city by criminal invaders. That's what it is.

Speaker 1 What's sad is how much cheaper it is to protest in Vancouver. Like, even if it involves sending the agitators that are from Los Angeles, it is cheaper to bring the whole protest to Vancouver.

Speaker 1 We have got to bring protests back to Los Angeles.

Speaker 1 Some kind of a tax thing. We got to fix it.

Speaker 1 Veterans and military experts were horrified to see Trump politicizing the military in this way, standing in front of soldiers in uniform as a backdrop for a partisan speech, goading them into booing Democrats.

Speaker 1 It's disgusting. Soldiers aren't political prompts unless it's your birthday.

Speaker 1 Later that very day, before seeing Les Miz, of course, we got this stellar moment with Trump and his wife of many years, Helania.

Speaker 1 That's a tough one.

Speaker 7 That last part of that question, that's tough, I think.

Speaker 7 You better answer that one, Hania.

Speaker 2 I don't know.

Speaker 7 I've seen it. We've seen it a number of times.
It's fantastic. I thought it was

Speaker 7 just about our first choice. That's what we got.
And we have others coming. Other great ones who come.

Speaker 1 My contract for tonight, very clear. I am not speaking.

Speaker 1 JD Vance was also in attendance, and he tweeted this before the show. He said, about to see Lamez Rob with POTUS at the Kennedy Center.
Me to Usha. So what's this about? A barber who kills people?

Speaker 1 Usha, hysterical laughter.

Speaker 1 So just

Speaker 1 for those keeping track, knowing what lame is,

Speaker 1 gay.

Speaker 1 Knowing what a Sandhai musical is, straight as hell.

Speaker 1 Remember when he was talking about the essence of masculinity?

Speaker 1 Yeah, me too.

Speaker 1 Speaking of miserables, on Thursday, Democratic Senator Alex Padilla crashed DHS Secretary Christy Noam's LA press conference and got physically wrestled from the room.

Speaker 5 I'm Senator Alex Padilla. I have questions for the Secretary.
Because the fact of the matter is, a half a dozen son criminals that you're both kidding on your.

Speaker 5 Hands off!

Speaker 1 See, that's what makes Skaga amazing. She can sing while doing the moves.

Speaker 1 Anyone can do a studio album.

Speaker 1 I also, when when I saw this, I didn't realize I had a separate deeper chamber of stress diarrhea to unlock.

Speaker 1 In the full video, you can see Senator Badilla forced to the ground and handcuffed by police.

Speaker 1 This is now the second most badass Alex Badilla clip, right after his smooth tortilla rolling technique.

Speaker 2 It's cool as home.

Speaker 1 Badilla had to deal with all this just for asking a question. And the question wasn't, who wants to see this Waymobn?

Speaker 1 DHS spokesperson Tricia McLaughlin blamed Padilla for the row, tweeting, Senator Padilla chose disrespectful political theater and interrupted a live press conference without identifying himself or having his Senate security pin on as he lunged towards Secretary Noam.

Speaker 1 And Secret Service thought he was an attacker and officers acted appropriately. But we hear him say in that video out loud, I'm Senator Alex Padilla.
He does not lunge.

Speaker 1 They're lying about something we can debunk with our eyeballs and our earholes. In some way, that's even more ominous than shoving and handcuffing a senator.
But in other ways, is it?

Speaker 1 Anyway, this is a comedy show. Padilla

Speaker 1 spoke with the press afterwards where he said this.

Speaker 2 I was there peacefully. At one point, I had a question.
And so I began to ask a question.

Speaker 2 I was almost immediately, forcibly removed from the room.

Speaker 2 I was forced to the ground,

Speaker 2 and I was handcuffed.

Speaker 1 While on Fox News, Noam stuck with the unidentified lunger theory.

Speaker 8 And this man burst into the room, started lunging towards the podium, interrupting me and elevating his voice, and was stopped, did not identify himself, and was removed from the room.

Speaker 8 So as soon as he identified himself, you know, appropriate actions were taken.

Speaker 1 They keep describing a 52-year-old senator and software engineer announcing himself while speaking calmly calmly as lunging.

Speaker 1 Next, they'll tell us that a second Alex Padilla has collided with the podium.

Speaker 1 Do I need to just say it? A second Alex Padilla has hit the podium. But hey, if you're going to march into authoritarianism, why not do it in style?

Speaker 1 The military parade for Trump's birthday on Saturday is expected to cost at least $45 million, of which $16 million has been set aside to repair DC roads that will be damaged by heavy tanks rolling through town.

Speaker 1 But when Corey Booker runs out in front of a tank, Tiananmen Square style, and announces a book called Stand 2, Stand Harder,

Speaker 2 priceless.

Speaker 1 If you're hearing this Saturday morning, go out and fucking protest. Do it right now.

Speaker 1 Go to votesaveamerica.com/slash no kings,

Speaker 1 and you can find one near you. Let's make sure everybody gets out there.
Everybody here going to be out there?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Good.

Speaker 1 Speaking Speaking of fucked up roads to be on, Health and Human Service Secretary RFK Jr.

Speaker 1 announced Monday that he was retiring all 17 members of the advisory committee that reviews vaccine data and makes recommendations to the CDC.

Speaker 1 Bad news: among the eight new advisors chosen to replace the old panel are a number of vaccine skeptics and deniers. Good news: shorter lines at the toy store this Christmas.

Speaker 1 Speaking of people who don't go to the toy store, on Tuesday, Elon Musk tweeted,

Speaker 1 I regret some of my posts about real Donald Trump last week. They went too far.

Speaker 1 Sad, it seems last week's ketamine is wearing off, allowing Elon Musk to see his actions in the cold light of this week's ketamine.

Speaker 1 And speaking of feuds, on Wednesday, Kentucky Senator Rand Paul told reporters that he'd been uninvited from the White House picnic over his opposition to Trump's big beautiful bill.

Speaker 9 I've just been told that I've been uninvited from the picnic. I think I'm the first senator in the history of the United States to be uninvited to the White House picnic.

Speaker 9 The White House is owned by the taxpayers. We all are members of it.

Speaker 9 Every Democrat will be invited. Every Republican will be invited, but I will be the only one disallowed to come on the grounds of the White House.
I just find this incredibly petty.

Speaker 1 You'd think someone like Rand Paul would have built up more of a tolerance to being left out of stuff?

Speaker 1 Just so everybody knows,

Speaker 1 that was a very brief excerpt of Rand Paul's full remarks about about being uninvited to the White House picnic, which continued for over seven minutes.

Speaker 1 Trump later posted a message clarifying that of course Rand Paul is invited to his picnic. What a roller coaster.

Speaker 2 My heart is fucking pounding.

Speaker 1 Wrote Trump, of course Senator Paul and his beautiful wife and family are invited to the big White House party tonight. He's the toughest vote in the history of the U.S.

Speaker 1 Senate, but why wouldn't he be? The only thing more embarrassing than getting uninvited from a big party is getting re-invited after you make a big public stink about it. Hey, so good to see you.

Speaker 1 It's me from the tantrum.

Speaker 1 But hey, a pity invite is still an invite. How do you think I got invited to the White House for the first time?

Speaker 1 Pope Leo XIV

Speaker 1 went full Chicago Pope and donned a white sock hat during an appearance at the Vatican on Wednesday.

Speaker 1 Said a Cubs fan,

Speaker 1 we'll get the next Pope from Chicago.

Speaker 1 British researchers examining the vet records of over 2 million dogs found which breeds were most prone to diarrhea. Turns out it's something called the gallon of liquid shih tzu.

Speaker 1 In fact, the risk was actually higher for six breeds, the Maltese, the miniature poodle, cavapoo, German shepherd, and Yorkshire Terrier.

Speaker 1 I'm not sure why the researchers would refer to those breeds as the John Lovetts of the dog world,

Speaker 1 but any press is good press, I guess.

Speaker 1 A lot of diarrhea material today.

Speaker 1 Plus the jokes about it in the show. A federal judge.

Speaker 2 Yeah, back.

Speaker 2 Shut up. Shut up.

Speaker 2 Still got it. Still got it.

Speaker 1 A federal judge on Monday dismissed Justin Baldoni's $400 million defamation suit against Blake Lively, her husband Rylan Reynolds, and the the New York Times.

Speaker 1 The deal was: you can do anything you want to me as long as the suit stays on, said Ryan Reynolds in his Deadpool costume as the judge did his stretches.

Speaker 1 Costume stays on. Speaking of getting around, Brian Wilson, legendary member of the Beach Boys, died this week at the age of 82.
Said Rhonda, hanging up the paddles, I did everything I could.

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Speaker 1 Coming up, it's Courtney Act and Poverty Shallow.

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Speaker 1 At the risk of getting voted off my own show and deserving it, please welcome to the stage to Absolute Queens of Reality TV. It's Poverty Shallow and Courtney Act.

Speaker 2 Hi. Hi.
Hi. Thanks for joining me.
Good to see you. Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 Get in here.

Speaker 2 Cortniette.

Speaker 10 That's how you say it.

Speaker 2 Popped a button as I sat down. Cortnikt.

Speaker 10 We heard a lot of jokes about diarrhea when we were about to.

Speaker 1 I forgot that. I forgot that you both could hear that.

Speaker 2 I have a question for you. Okay.

Speaker 10 Were you on Survivor long enough to

Speaker 2 on his own show?

Speaker 1 I'm so excited to find out what this is.

Speaker 10 But this is actually a real question and it relates to diarrhea.

Speaker 2 So I feel like we're really on topic.

Speaker 10 Were you on Survivor long enough to have

Speaker 10 had a relationship with coconuts

Speaker 10 such that you understand that coconuts are a natural laxative?

Speaker 1 I will say

Speaker 1 yes.

Speaker 2 Only, yeah.

Speaker 2 Well, it, yeah.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 10 That's all we needed to know.

Speaker 2 Courtney. Yes.

Speaker 1 Parbity and I have actually talked at length quite recently, and so we wanted to catch you up. And that'll start by just showing you how I did on Survivor.

Speaker 2 Let's roll the clip.

Speaker 1 Looking at my tribe, I'm realizing I'm not getting to know a group of people. I'm getting to know a group of young people.
I am 41 years old.

Speaker 2 Okay, so I'm old now.

Speaker 1 No, I really like my. I like that.
There's so much back in my day stuff coming out of my mouth. But being a speechwriter, I learned that you need to be able to put yourself in other people's shoes.

Speaker 1 I'm addicted to TikTok. So all the poolers were like, oh, yeah, I'm creating TikTok.
And I'm just like, I need my videos of like dogs getting adopted.

Speaker 1 I'm realizing that I'm the oldest person here, but I'm not going to let that stop me from trying to build things with these people.

Speaker 2 Was that like Survivor Junior or something?

Speaker 2 It was really cute. It was so cute.
They were all 12.

Speaker 1 They were young. Yeah.
Well, people keep getting younger as you get older. Isn't that strange?

Speaker 2 It's so weird. It's so strange.
I used to be the youngest.

Speaker 1 I know. You know? Well,

Speaker 1 there's somebody, a quote, which is, there's no such thing as a 30-year-old prodigy. Remember that?

Speaker 1 I interviewed Mom Dani, Zora Mamdani today for Pod Save America, and I was like, oh my God, he's 33? Are you fucking kidding me? He's running to to be mayor of New York. He's 33 years old.

Speaker 10 That's what we need. Fresh representation.

Speaker 2 But not too young. Because like, no offense, 20-year-olds, but you're idiots.

Speaker 2 Do you know what I mean? Like, I was 20 once. I can say that.

Speaker 2 But, like, really, like, you hear, like, I love an impassioned empower. I love the energy and I love the vibe.
But sometimes I'm just like.

Speaker 2 Yes, yes.

Speaker 1 Yes, yes. Well, it's so hard to know the difference, right? Because sometimes it's like, am I, are you young or am I old, right? You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 Like, are you saying something that I can't, you know, like is a person, like,

Speaker 1 it's very hard to tell the difference when you're 20 or when you're 40 if a 20-year-old is bringing an interesting and fresh perspective that I'm not ready to hear or they're stupid.

Speaker 2 Well, I think you know if you had the same idea at your 20, but now you're old enough to be realistic like every other godless, money-hungry, miserable, backstabbing so-and-so.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Do you know what I mean? But if if it's like a new idea that you're like, oh, I should have thought about when I was 25, let's do that.
Let's do what that 25-year-old says.

Speaker 2 Then it's a good idea.

Speaker 10 I would do what you're saying.

Speaker 10 I would do it. You're age list also.
I feel like you're from Death Becomes Her, like you drank.

Speaker 2 Thank you. Now a warning?

Speaker 2 I could be the oldest person here. I'm not sure.
I would never know. No, we would never know.
Well, we could know by asking and finding out.

Speaker 1 Apart from that, we could never know.

Speaker 10 Let's pull the audience, every single one of you, starting starting with you.

Speaker 1 Wait, Courtney, you hosted Ease the Buy Life, a dating show made up entirely of bisexuals.

Speaker 2 Wow. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Were most of them truly bisexual?

Speaker 2 Or were some of the people who are going to buy erasure now? No, I'm kidding. See, bisexuality is a spectrum.

Speaker 1 We can't erase bi people because half of crooked media would disappear. Boom.

Speaker 2 You could be like, I don't know

Speaker 2 at what point it stops being a spectrum, but like, if you're like, see, I have sex with people of different genders, and one of my friends, who's a gay man, was like, You're just gay, you just sleep with women because you want to get with their hot boyfriend.

Speaker 2 And I was like, Well, let's just say that's true for a minute. When was the last time you slept with a woman to get to her hot boyfriend? And he was like, Never.

Speaker 2 And I was like, Yeah, so it's different, right?

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 It's such an important point.

Speaker 2 I'm opportunistic sexually.

Speaker 2 Greedy. Thank you.

Speaker 10 Nothing wrong with being greedy.

Speaker 2 Thank you. Oh, this show's going to get.

Speaker 1 Howie, everybody.

Speaker 2 Oh, you can't. Here, let me do it.
Let me, please, let me host.

Speaker 2 Thank you.

Speaker 10 It's like Phaedra on Traders. She couldn't.

Speaker 2 She just had boiled eggs.

Speaker 2 Because she couldn't.

Speaker 1 Just eating boiled eggs. Wait.

Speaker 2 She had a boiled egg.

Speaker 1 What happened?

Speaker 10 She just loved boiled eggs.

Speaker 2 That can lead to diarrhea.

Speaker 10 Well, yeah, but I didn't know about anyone's diarrhea on Traders because it it's d it's not a talked about thing.

Speaker 1 Right, because there's just bathrooms there.

Speaker 2 So it's like the normal world where you don't talk about it. Exactly, yeah.

Speaker 2 Huh. And regular food.

Speaker 1 It's just regular food.

Speaker 10 Straight up food.

Speaker 1 How was the food?

Speaker 2 No, it was weird.

Speaker 10 It was like a combination of every night it was low main mashed potatoes and beef wellington.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because you're in Scotland.

Speaker 2 Scotland. So it's still not going to be

Speaker 2 their cuisine. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 10 I lost a survivor amount of weight.

Speaker 2 Really? Traders, yeah. Wow.

Speaker 2 Because you didn't like the Scottish cuisine?

Speaker 2 I couldn't do it.

Speaker 10 It was like a plate of grey.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 That's the UK in general, really.

Speaker 1 You know what's an interesting difference between...

Speaker 1 An interesting difference to me between the

Speaker 1 UK version of the Traders and the American version of the Traders is in the UK version of the traders.

Speaker 1 Everybody just leaves through the house and just leaves and goes to wherever the hotel is. But in the American version, they have everyone pretend they're sleeping in the house.

Speaker 1 Does that mean at the end of every day, everybody shoots walking up the stairs and then you go back down the stairs and leave?

Speaker 2 I don't know what you're talking about. We live in a castle.

Speaker 10 We all sleep in the same bedroom with the silk duvet

Speaker 10 and we all read the same book.

Speaker 2 She wants to be on old styles. Yeah, I don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 There was one moment in the show where someone says, like, someone started walking towards the door, and somebody tapped them. It was like, no, we're going to bed.

Speaker 10 I like that Traders doesn't take itself too seriously.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I like that too. I like that too.

Speaker 2 The cast was leaked today.

Speaker 1 I saw that. I saw that.

Speaker 2 I saw that.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Any thoughts on the cast?

Speaker 10 I love, well, the survivors that are going out there is Jam Jam, Natalie Anderson, who I love

Speaker 10 and I think is going to be so good in the castle because she's so fierce and such a competitor, and she's going to crash at the roundtable. That's what we need.
And then Rob Cesar Nino. Yeah.

Speaker 10 The Rob Cesarnino.

Speaker 1 Who has a podcast?

Speaker 10 Who has a podcast and has had a podcast for decades?

Speaker 2 It would be odd if somebody didn't have a podcast these days, to be honest. Yeah.

Speaker 10 Rob was the first person who had a podcast.

Speaker 1 He was up. He's one of the greats.

Speaker 2 Who's going to do his podcast?

Speaker 1 I've been on his podcast.

Speaker 10 I've also,

Speaker 10 how's it going to go when he's in Scotland doing Traders?

Speaker 2 Pre-record.

Speaker 10 He's thought this through. We don't have to worry about this.

Speaker 1 So, wait, Corey, you do have a podcast.

Speaker 2 I do. It's called Arnar.

Speaker 2 It's called

Speaker 2 You say in an American accent the letters R-N-R. R-N-R.
And it sounds like Arnard.

Speaker 2 Thank you. I'm so glad you laughed.

Speaker 1 In your podcast,

Speaker 1 you go deep with guests like Nicole Beyer and Margaret Cho. Harvardy, your last name's shallow.

Speaker 2 It is.

Speaker 2 It always has been.

Speaker 1 So it's time for a segment we call deep and shallow questions.

Speaker 1 So we have a mix of deep questions and shallow questions. That's it.
That's the format.

Speaker 2 Well, I try to go deep, but you come up with the concept for the podcast before you actually film it. And then you realize sometimes going deep is a real challenge.
So you try and go deep.

Speaker 2 But then you realize that it's kind of odd to talk to your friend of 15 years about like

Speaker 2 their childhood or their trauma. Yeah, because you just, you've got too many jokes that you're making.
You're having too much fun. But I think I got there.

Speaker 10 It's not, it's cool to joke about trauma.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Or die trying.

Speaker 2 You'll never die. You drink the potion.

Speaker 1 Some people are shallow. They just don't have it.
You scratch beneath the surface and you just get air down there.

Speaker 1 No, no, no. You are are us shallow, but we've had a long conversation.
I think, I think that you're many layers to poverty. That's my thinking about it.
I noticed I'm talking about you.

Speaker 1 I don't think you're shallow.

Speaker 2 I really don't.

Speaker 2 I genuinely don't. Why do I sound exciting?

Speaker 2 I'm not. I won't vote you out.
I know what I went through.

Speaker 2 I'm not going to re-traumatize you.

Speaker 1 Man, got out first.

Speaker 1 I never even got to.

Speaker 2 You're the pork chop of survivor.

Speaker 1 All right, so we have deep questions and we have shallow questions. Let's start with a shallow question.

Speaker 1 What do you think of the return of the tankini?

Speaker 2 Ooh, she's a fan. I want that to hot.

Speaker 2 She's famous. Oh, that's Bella Hadid.
It says it. Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 10 she's selling me the tankini right now.

Speaker 2 A kingham tankini?

Speaker 10 It's something that tankini is. Dorothy Wizard of Oz.

Speaker 2 Tankini. What is a tankini? Top biggin.

Speaker 10 Oh, this was like early 2000s, right?

Speaker 2 Like,

Speaker 10 or 90s, late 90s?

Speaker 1 Deep question. Okay.

Speaker 2 Moving on.

Speaker 2 What will, what will,

Speaker 1 what, do you think there's somebody you're going to look back on from this time in your life and regret?

Speaker 10 Doing this podcast?

Speaker 2 No, I'm... I'll get deep.

Speaker 2 So,

Speaker 2 there is a gentleman that I have sexual relations with.

Speaker 2 I love drag.

Speaker 2 In drag. He's an Olympian.

Speaker 2 We actually met in hotel quarantine. Because remember during COVID, Australia had those, like the two weeks you had to lock down in a hotel before you could get into the country.

Speaker 2 So he is a heterosexual identifying Olympian who decided while in hotel quarantine that he would download Grindr. And I was also in hotel quarantine on Grinder.
And we matched.

Speaker 2 And then we started chatting. And then it came to Friday night.
And I had to get into drag to like film some content from inside hotel quarantine.

Speaker 2 And so we like, I ordered, you could like order cocktails. Oh, my pants popped again.
You could order like cocktails and have them delivered back in that time, like pre-mixed margaritas.

Speaker 2 So I ordered him like a bottle of margaritas and then we FaceTimed and like had a date because we couldn't see each other because we're in quarantine.

Speaker 2 But you're in the same building, we're in the same building just across the hall. This is so hot.
I was like, What level are you on? Because I could make a dash for it, like it'd be worth it.

Speaker 2 This guy's fucking hot.

Speaker 1 It's not a prison.

Speaker 1 Were there guards in the hallway?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, it was quarantine. It was like

Speaker 2 not guards with guns. We're not America.
Sorry.

Speaker 2 No, what about

Speaker 2 Irish nurses, actually?

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 we still are in contact and hopping on the good foot and doing the bad thing occasionally. And

Speaker 2 we were messaging last night and he was like, oh, I won't get to see you till September. Like, send me some photos or videos.
Now, I don't send

Speaker 2 nudes as a rule, but I have taken some artistic content that doesn't involve my genitals.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 I sort of went through and I found it. And I was like, do you know what?

Speaker 2 I need to take more videos of me looking like a hot slut now while I look like a hot slut.

Speaker 2 Because later, all I'm going to have is this like Snapchat video from 2000 and whatever. It's sort of like the Moira Rose.

Speaker 2 Take a lot of naked pictures of yourself and make sure you publish them on the internet, or one day your children are going to go looking for them and they won't be there. That sort of thing.

Speaker 2 There's nothing wrong with Moira Rose. Right.
Everything is right with that woman.

Speaker 1 That was so beautiful.

Speaker 2 It was. You'll never be.
Are you inspired? You'll never be as young as you are right now. So take naked photos and videos and look back at them with glee.

Speaker 10 Write this down in your note tab.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 1 I think it's beautiful. I don't think I can.

Speaker 2 And I think you're right that I'll regret it. How do you feel about your naked body?

Speaker 1 Is that too deep? I don't think about it much at all.

Speaker 2 Take your vagina to a restaurant of its choice.

Speaker 10 John, you have a hot bod.

Speaker 1 Oh, thanks for saying that, Parity.

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 10 I can tell.

Speaker 2 I think.

Speaker 1 Through the teeth. I've been doing Pilates and taking experimental pancreas medicine.
They're both kind of working.

Speaker 10 They're working. But there is something very hot to a physical boundary.

Speaker 10 Like in COVID, where you couldn't get on a plane and you couldn't go meet someone. It's like something ramps up the heat and the passion there.

Speaker 2 It's like. This is what the TV show Catfish discovered a long time ago.

Speaker 2 Whatever happened to that show.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, that's what I took away from it too, that it's beautiful and inspiring, what people do when they can't can't see each other.

Speaker 1 What's the status of you in the Olympian? Are we going for the gold?

Speaker 2 Are we going top podium?

Speaker 2 Oh, we've gone for the gold. But

Speaker 2 he has a partner now, and so we don't do the thing, but he

Speaker 2 has told her about

Speaker 2 me. And like, I've gone on a date with them, which was kind of fun.
It was very modern and progressive. I was like, work.

Speaker 2 Wow. Wow, I love this.

Speaker 2 I'm going to be like the Heidi flice, like the like. I picture my apartment in Sydney.
I want to like host,

Speaker 2 you know, exploratory heterosexual couples who are looking to, you know, dip their toe into the world of polyamory and bisexuality.

Speaker 10 This is a very important topic.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And very and deep.

Speaker 2 Very deep.

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Speaker 10 And I will also add to that my own thing about regret because I think this is the probably first point in my life. Because I'm releasing a book.
I've written a memoir, which hopefully I don't regret

Speaker 10 because it's so deeply personal and raw and vulnerable and exposing.

Speaker 10 And a lot in my life has changed since I completed that book. And so now I'm like, I want to live my life with no regrets because I was in a marriage that didn't work for such a long time.

Speaker 10 And I, I, the reason I got out of that marriage was because I sat with myself and I was like, if I did this for the rest of my life and then I died, would I regret my life, like not having actually

Speaker 10 left this thing and created a life that I loved. And I was like, yeah, I got it.
I can't. So that's when I really encountered the regret.
And now at this point, I'm like, let's explore.

Speaker 10 Like, I'm divorced. Let's explore.

Speaker 2 So you want to come to my popcom and take me? Is that what you say?

Speaker 10 I'm going to be wearing fuzzy leg warmers

Speaker 2 and a thong. Romance love.
Crystal thong.

Speaker 1 Shallow question.

Speaker 1 What Austin Powers movie is your favorite?

Speaker 1 There's Austin Powers, International Man of Mystery, Austin Powers, The Spy Who Shagged Me, and Austin Powers in Gold Member.

Speaker 10 What's the one with a little mini evil?

Speaker 1 I think that's the spy who shagged me, and then maybe all of them.

Speaker 2 Mine's the one with Beyoncé. That's

Speaker 2 Gold Member.

Speaker 2 Also, Heather Graham.

Speaker 2 Heather Graham. On Roller Skates? Or is that Boogie Nights? That's Boogie Nights.

Speaker 1 Yeah, my favorite Austin Powers movie is Boogie Nights.

Speaker 2 She'll forever be wearing roller skates in my mind. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Deep question.

Speaker 2 I'm glad you got to be here for such a weird episode.

Speaker 2 Do you believe in true love? I just know what your episodes are normally like.

Speaker 1 Nah, it kind of is.

Speaker 2 I know.

Speaker 1 Do you believe in true love?

Speaker 10 Yes. Yes.
Well, I mean, isn't that like what life is about? It is.

Speaker 1 Well, that's it. That's one perspective.

Speaker 10 Well, there's cheering, so I think

Speaker 10 I think that we are here as humans to, I think true love is,

Speaker 10 I'm a yogi, so it's really is uniting with the oneness and source of cosmic creation that, you know, sparked life in the beginning, big bang, and keeps sparking life. And that's what true love is.

Speaker 10 And when you find that spark, you should write this in your notes app.

Speaker 10 This is my gift to you. When you find that spark, it could be for pickleball, it could be for bisexual love fests at a party, it could be for diarrhea, whatever the spark is.

Speaker 10 Like, just throw yourself at it.

Speaker 1 Beautiful, beautiful,

Speaker 1 beautiful. What an impression I make.

Speaker 1 Do you believe in true love?

Speaker 2 I mean, I don't believe in one true love.

Speaker 2 Like, I don't like this idea of one

Speaker 2 person

Speaker 2 or even like one person forever.

Speaker 2 I do believe in love.

Speaker 2 What is the difference between love and true love? I guess that's up for me to decide.

Speaker 2 I would say that I believe I have been in love and I still love that person and he still loves me, but that was like 10 years ago and we don't want to be together. But I love,

Speaker 2 I guess, this is what you're saying about it. It could be love of pickleball.
Like, I love my parents, I love my friends, and those are all true love.

Speaker 2 But I think the question means: do you believe in one person for you forever?

Speaker 10 No, is that what you're interpreting for the question?

Speaker 1 Isn't that interesting? What a thing to project onto the question.

Speaker 2 But yeah, probably. But the

Speaker 2 yeah,

Speaker 1 I feel like what I have come to realize as I've gotten older is we're trained by the culture around love

Speaker 1 to view it as an unstable equilibrium where like love is a marble balancing on an upside-down bowl and you're trying to keep it at the top of the bowl.

Speaker 10 And a survivor challenge

Speaker 10 yesterday.

Speaker 1 50-50. I'm batting 500 on my survivor challenges.

Speaker 2 Marble on bowl. Marble on bowl.

Speaker 1 So the bowl, marble's on top, and you're like desperately trying to keep it from sliding over. But then what I've come to realize is that, oh, that's what a romantic comedy tells you.

Speaker 1 And that's what like dramatic movies or kind of that's what culture and entertainment will tell you. But actually like the great loves over your life, it's more like a marble sitting in a bowl.

Speaker 1 And like if it's the right people, you can go the wrong way. You can say the wrong thing.
You can have a fight. But the bowl is going to stay.

Speaker 1 The marble is going to stay in the bowl if it's the right people for you.

Speaker 2 You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 10 Oh my God, that was the best wedding speech. That was so good.
For your own wedding, you should use that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I should try that.

Speaker 10 I feel feel so settled after that story.

Speaker 1 Shallow question.

Speaker 10 When's the wedding? Yeah, true love. He's found it.
You found it.

Speaker 2 Have you found true love?

Speaker 1 I think so, yeah.

Speaker 2 No, I here's. Definitive.

Speaker 1 I've not. I've actually, no, I have.

Speaker 2 It's very hard. That's so interesting.

Speaker 2 We'll take that out in Photoshop. Don't worry.
Don't have it here.

Speaker 1 For sure. No, we'll definitely Photoshop these.

Speaker 2 For sure.

Speaker 1 No, I know that I have. Funny that I'm creating ironic distance from a truth that I know

Speaker 1 by not saying just yes.

Speaker 1 Because I haven't thought about it.

Speaker 1 I was just asking the question to put it on to you, but now you're asking it back to me.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 so I will tell you when I, this is why I'm sort of

Speaker 1 shut up.

Speaker 1 So when I met

Speaker 1 my fiancé,

Speaker 1 They presented as a woman. I present as this.

Speaker 1 I had only dated boys, cisgender men, and they had really only had relationships with women.

Speaker 1 And we were friends. And then they transitioned.
But we had a connection before they transitioned. We were friends.
Like we were buddies. And we worked together.

Speaker 1 And we were friends, but like there was no anything beyond that. How could there be? We just weren't in the right category of people.

Speaker 1 But then something very strange happens, which is as we become closer friends, they transitioned.

Speaker 1 Now, when you build, build, sometimes a romantic attraction can come from intimacy. Sometimes an intimacy can come from a romantic attraction, right?

Speaker 1 Like sometimes, like you can hook up with somebody and you have no feelings, but over time, a real relationship develops.

Speaker 1 Sometimes over time, like a sexual attraction or true attraction can develop between two people out of that intimacy. But usually you stay looking about the same through that process.

Speaker 1 But it is deeply strange to be very close with someone as friends as they slowly evolve into the kind of person that is suddenly inside of

Speaker 1 the bounds of the kind of person you would be attracted to. And over time, that happened.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 for a time, it didn't seem like we were going to be together. And I made my peace with that because

Speaker 1 I knew that if it could happen, it would happen.

Speaker 1 And so then

Speaker 1 we went for a walk and I said, a long time ago, or we decided not to pursue this because

Speaker 1 you date women and I date men

Speaker 1 if there's a chance that's wrong I think we should take a chance on it and then we did and that was it

Speaker 2 are you crying

Speaker 2 we're all crying and isn't that also

Speaker 2 you talked about them their their form sort of changing but I guess there could also be something said for them coming into their own physically which then also changes how attraction works, not just from your side, but in their confidence, in their own body, in their own person.

Speaker 2 And it feels like

Speaker 2 a beautiful,

Speaker 2 not a metaphor, what's the right word, like a beautiful advertisement for identity and gender and people being who they truly are.

Speaker 10 Yeah, authenticity is the hottest.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Aw.

Speaker 2 See, look at that.

Speaker 10 That was very beautiful.

Speaker 2 Thank you for sharing.

Speaker 1 What kind of snack do you like to get at the movies?

Speaker 10 Wait, this is actually great because back there in the green room is every snack you could ever want at the movies. And I'm into the Sour Pouch Kids and the popcorn.

Speaker 2 Well, I devoured that popcorn. Yeah, you went for the popcorn.
I really did. And I was getting a good story too.
So I was like, uh-huh.

Speaker 2 It was really cute.

Speaker 1 Are you afraid of dying?

Speaker 2 Oh, my God. What a good question.

Speaker 10 My daughter asks me this a lot.

Speaker 2 Well, she's like, are you going to die?

Speaker 10 How old is she? She's very morbid.

Speaker 2 She's six years old.

Speaker 10 And she's afraid everyone turns into a skeleton when the

Speaker 2 moon comes out or something.

Speaker 1 And is that not true?

Speaker 10 You and I talked about this. When you get your torch snuffed on Survivor, it feels a bit like a death.

Speaker 10 It's like a very ceremonial kind of ritual where it's like when your fire represents your life and when your fire goes out, that's it.

Speaker 2 You're like lights out, you're dead.

Speaker 10 And it does kind of feel like that. And then you walk down the path and you're greeted by the producers and whoever.

Speaker 10 And it's like, okay, well, from everything I've read, I get very into like lives between lives and soul family and all this kind of stuff. I'm really, I geek out about this kind of thing.

Speaker 10 So from what I know, there is a soul family out there waiting for us. It's just a veil.
This is like an illusion. We can only see what's here physically because we have these special eyes.

Speaker 10 Like a cat sees something completely different. A grasshopper sees something completely different.
If we're dead.

Speaker 2 Everything's so big.

Speaker 10 Well, yeah, they're like in a little, they're like a little tiny grasshopper. And we're in human bodies.
But when we lose these bodies, now we can see everything.

Speaker 10 So the thing that freaks me out about dying isn't necessarily like dying. It's like, what? I'm so attached to my body.
I feel like, how, what will, what, where will be home? Where's home when you die?

Speaker 10 Because home is in my body. So if I don't have my body anymore,

Speaker 2 where am I going to go? Huh.

Speaker 2 A lot to think about.

Speaker 2 I'm not afraid of dying. I am a godless atheist who doesn't believe in anything.
And I think that

Speaker 2 sort of,

Speaker 2 I guess, along the lines of what you were just saying, if I were to interpret that through, through, I guess, my belief system and lens, I would say that I can believe that when I die,

Speaker 2 the consciousness, me, stops being individual. And like, in almost like a physics kind of way, the energy that I was joins back into the collective.

Speaker 2 I don't believe that that is a, well, I don't believe that I'll have a conscious awareness of that.

Speaker 2 I think it's more like, I think my thinking mind is kind of like this feeble narcissistic thing that thinks the ego thinks it knows and understands what it is.

Speaker 2 But I think ultimately, like when I die, my body will just be like a dead sack of flesh and my consciousness will stop.

Speaker 2 And that, like, quite literally, my body will decompose and become a part of the earth again. And that's sort of like, you know, the circle of life.
But what I do fear is

Speaker 2 the part that leads up to you dying, the pain.

Speaker 2 Like, I saw this play called Cleansed. Has anybody here seen? Yeah, it's, I can't think of the playwright's name, but there was all these warnings outside the theater saying like, just so you know.

Speaker 2 And I was like, it's a play, like, whatever. Like, it's not real.
And like, 15 minutes in, I was like, oh, God, I'll make it stop. And I, it was sort of, it's about torture.

Speaker 2 and it was one of those plays where I was like that was horrible I wish that never happened to me but then I kept thinking about it and I was like wow I was sitting in a play a piece of art made me consider how I want to die the fear of torture the fear of pain and like thinking like I need a piece of jewelry that will allow me to kill myself

Speaker 2 When if I ever get into that situation, you know, like where you can't kill you. I've always thought like what's the the worst thing that can happen? You can just kill yourself.

Speaker 2 Like, if it all goes, not in like a suicidal way, but like if the sea levels rise and if, you know, I don't know, an authoritarian dictator comes to power and tries to round you up, like, you can just like, you can find a way to kill yourself.

Speaker 2 And I was like, what if you're being tortured and you can't physically kill yourself because you've been restrained? I was like, I need like a

Speaker 2 cyanide earring that I can do it with.

Speaker 10 Cyanide earrings. Why do you accidentally knit that at night when you're well?

Speaker 2 That's because it's got to be like, it's got to be like, you know, those like security parses where you're like, zzzz, swipe. It needs to be like that.
So you can like zzz.

Speaker 2 That can't happen when you swipe it.

Speaker 10 Voice activated. Voice activated.
Cyanide. Why do you cut out your tongue?

Speaker 2 That's what happened in this play. I never

Speaker 2 cut out your tongue. I don't want to see this.
That sounds like awful.

Speaker 2 It is.

Speaker 2 But like, here I am talking about it. You know, not tween the tongue.

Speaker 1 Have you heard about Wicked?

Speaker 2 Maybe that was good.

Speaker 1 You just cry and applaud, and you remember the songs after.

Speaker 1 That's a nice part about that.

Speaker 1 Okay, well, one last question.

Speaker 2 Do you like

Speaker 2 before we move on?

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Speaker 2 I can't tell if I ruined this podcast episode or not.

Speaker 2 This is very awesome.

Speaker 1 This is exactly what we wanted out of the segment we called

Speaker 2 Love It or Leave It. Deep and Survivor.

Speaker 10 Wait, also, I was so grateful on Traders that I didn't have to get buried alive.

Speaker 2 They buried people alive.

Speaker 1 That was a crazy thing to do.

Speaker 1 That was a crazy moment on that show because you're sort of like, like, I will say, like, I trust the production of Survivor.

Speaker 1 Like, for Survivor, like, they've been making Survivor for a very long time. Survivor, yes.
They know what they're doing. They are, like, fucking pros.

Speaker 1 They're like the, they're that they've been at it a long time. But that trader show, like, I'm sorry.
It's like, I love traders, but it's like, at the end of this challenge, you get an extra 15 grand.

Speaker 1 Like, they're making it up as they go.

Speaker 10 There's like, oh, there's scorpions, there's snakes, there's rats. They're like, just be nice to the animals.

Speaker 2 Let's get a couple housewives in that grave and bury them. What?

Speaker 1 That's cool. That's a crazy thing to do.

Speaker 2 Would you like to do that? Would you be buried alive?

Speaker 1 No, I want to be dead when they do it for sure. I've thought about that.

Speaker 2 For money on television. Um, hmm.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay, well, we'll be right back.

Speaker 2 But they shovel the dirt.

Speaker 1 They shovel the dirt.

Speaker 10 You can see the dirt cracking through the crack in the coffin.

Speaker 1 So you're standing while they're doing it.

Speaker 2 I wasn't there.

Speaker 10 I wasn't. That was season one.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. They didn't do it again.

Speaker 2 So that tells you something. Someone died.

Speaker 2 Who's the survivors that got buried?

Speaker 10 Stephanie LaGrosa got buried.

Speaker 2 Yeah. A lot of people got buried.

Speaker 1 A lot of people got buried. Poverty Kooteni, stay right there.
We'll be right back to ask some more deep questions and some shallow ones.

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Speaker 1 Harvey, you have a book.

Speaker 2 What's it called?

Speaker 10 Nice Girls Don't Win, How I Burned It All Down to Claim My Power.

Speaker 2 What a brilliant title.

Speaker 10 Very aggressive.

Speaker 2 It's so good.

Speaker 1 Now, it's interesting because I feel like when you were first on Survivor, Like you were basically,

Speaker 1 most women were just villains, just sort of culturally. It was just like, she seems to be nice.
I don't trust it. Villain.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 10 She was wearing a ponytail up top. Villain.

Speaker 2 Guys, I think that's called misogyny. Two braids.
Two braids?

Speaker 1 Villain. Villain.
Villain.

Speaker 1 But you like, we were talking about the book a bit yesterday. Could you just tell people about it?

Speaker 10 I've written a memoir. It is, it starts at my childhood.
I grew up in a commune, a Hindu spiritual commune, run by a very charismatic, very controlling guru. She named me.

Speaker 10 We lived there for a bit. My sister, who is also in the audience out here, Sadashi, was also born there and we grew up there.
We moved to Atlanta. It goes through my whole life story.

Speaker 10 Moving to LA, getting cast on Survivor.

Speaker 10 Playing Survivor multiple times. It just details everything.
And I wrote it as an offering for myself, first of all, to really help me understand myself.

Speaker 10 Because I, once I got divorced, I was like, How did I get here? Like, I feel like I'm a pretty smart person, but like, I ended up in a situation that wasn't healthy for me.

Speaker 10 And the book was an exploration of that. And as I was writing it, I am like a service-minded person.
I'm a life coach. I like helping people.

Speaker 10 I want people to take away from my story something that helps you in your life. But it, yeah, it like really goes through.
Like, I deep, deep, deep excavated my soul for this book.

Speaker 2 So I really hope you'll buy it, read it, and enjoy it.

Speaker 10 And don't tell me if you don't like it.

Speaker 2 I won't tell you.

Speaker 1 But what I liked about this too is it's like, like, I feel like you've sort of embraced the lessons of what it takes to be a villain.

Speaker 10 Yes.

Speaker 1 And like bringing that into like what you learned over time from having kind of... like in survivor about what it means to kind of

Speaker 1 like basically being a villain is another way of kind of like in these shows like kind of just taking up space.

Speaker 10 Being a villain is not only taking up, it is taking up space and it is also playing to win and using every tool in your toolbox to do it.

Speaker 10 And if you're like me, a woman who is a flirty girl, who has that kind of power, I'm going to use it. It's the thing I think for many women, it is a thing that we have over men.

Speaker 10 The only thing in a lot of circumstances that we have over men. And I'm like, use it.
Like, don't be slut-shamed. Don't be embarrassed.
Don't be quieted or shut down.

Speaker 10 Like, use every ounce of power that you have. Use your voice.
Stand up for yourself. Put yourself first because I was like conditioned to be a people pleaser.

Speaker 10 I was born into a commune where everyone attended to the needs of this very controlling guru. So that was in my DNA and my blueprint as a child.

Speaker 10 And I think a lot of people were born into that kind of family dynamic with their parents, very controlling, dictatory kind of parents out there in the world.

Speaker 10 And that creates people who are, who tend to put themselves last.

Speaker 10 And on these reality shows, what we're seeing is a very upsetting trend of people wanting to play an honest game. And it's so annoying.

Speaker 2 Thank you.

Speaker 2 I feel like we're on Oprah now.

Speaker 10 I'm under the Switch.

Speaker 2 What an interesting.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 2 that's been fun.

Speaker 2 I liked it.

Speaker 1 I learned a lot. We had an interesting conversation.
We learned about a play to avoid.

Speaker 2 It's a lot.

Speaker 2 It's a good play. It made me question my life.
I think it's powerful art.

Speaker 1 I am so glad it did that for you.

Speaker 2 Sarah Kane cleansed.

Speaker 1 Cleansed. And speaking of cleansed, we're going to take turns spinning the wheel and defend whichever narrative well it lands on.

Speaker 2 Okay. Oh, what a

Speaker 2 really cute little photo of you.

Speaker 2 What is that?

Speaker 1 Interesting. We're in Wheel of Fortune.

Speaker 1 All right. We're going to spin the wheel.
Whatever villain it lands on, we have to defend for a minute. Poverty, you're up first.

Speaker 10 Oh, my God, me first.

Speaker 10 Okay, pressure's on.

Speaker 2 Ursula.

Speaker 2 Oh, ah!

Speaker 2 Oh, we got Ursula. Oh, my God, actually, she's my favorite villain of all time, I think.

Speaker 10 She was a drag queen.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 She was based on divine.

Speaker 10 Yes, she is a sexy mama, va-va-voom. Okay, I don't know if you guys are into this, but I know there is a whole genre of porn that's like octopus porn.

Speaker 2 Wait, I am not with real octopi, but like it's like Ursula tentacle porn.

Speaker 1 I think it's animated. I don't think it's like

Speaker 2 thank you. No, no, I don't think that's it.
I saw my octopus teacher. Yeah.
You know, he was diddling that octopus, though.

Speaker 1 You know what the problem is with that movie, My Octopus Teacher? It's too much teacher, not enough octopus.

Speaker 1 Every time I'm above the waterline, I'm like, what am I doing here? Get underwater. This is a movie about an octopus, not a weird dude.

Speaker 2 Can I see a show of hands?

Speaker 2 Can I see a show of hands who thought that the octopus teacher was having some sort of inappropriate sexual relationship with the octopus?

Speaker 10 It's a real question.

Speaker 2 It's just you and me. No, one, two, three.
Three of us. Okay, I'm in the minority.
I've just had a life experience. It's okay.

Speaker 10 The octopus only lives for one year, so he has to get it while it's hot.

Speaker 2 Is that it?

Speaker 10 Yes. That's the whole thing.

Speaker 10 Well, Ursula is one of my favorites. I play this character consistently with my daughter.
She likes to be Ariel. And I'm Ursula, and I do a mean Ursula.

Speaker 10 And I really get into it and like wiggle my arms and stuff.

Speaker 2 So I relate.

Speaker 2 So obviously, she can't be bad. Yeah.
One of the great villains.

Speaker 1 She's also like, I'm sorry, but

Speaker 1 let's remove King Trident or whatever his name is and have a democracy, you know? Right. Off with his head.

Speaker 2 Another controlling dictator.

Speaker 2 Yeah. It's like, oh,

Speaker 1 he becomes a benevolent authoritarian. That's the lesson.
There's too many Disney movies where the lesson is the king learned their lesson. It's like, who cares?

Speaker 10 The queen of hearts, I also could defend. Yeah.
Don't be painting my white roses with red paint.

Speaker 2 Plant red roses in the first place.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Do it right, idiots. Idiots.
Idiots.

Speaker 2 Idiots.

Speaker 1 Let's spin it again. But next up, it's Courtney.

Speaker 1 Am I saying that okay?

Speaker 2 here. Oh gosh, Michelle Visage.

Speaker 1 Michelle Visage, she's not a villain.

Speaker 1 Oh, she's a villain.

Speaker 2 She looks like Cruella Devil. She looks like a villain there.
Okay, I'm defending Michelle Visage.

Speaker 2 So Michelle Visage provides a really important service on RuPaul's Drag Race and probably in many other places, like to her family.

Speaker 2 But on Drag Race, you need

Speaker 2 an antagonist who says the things. And also, like, RuPaul is the

Speaker 2 elite figurehead, you know, the needs to have a certain amount of decorum. But Michelle, she can go in and do the dirty work.
And they're friends.

Speaker 2 And I think they share the same brain a lot of the time. And so she says the things that RuPaul also thinks.
And she does say things that,

Speaker 2 you know, help raise drag queens to a high level. If you go back and you watch the early seasons, the tone of the things that Michelle and the judges, but particularly Michelle, say has changed a lot.

Speaker 2 Like the things that you comment on then, you wouldn't comment on now.

Speaker 2 Sort of like going back and reading someone's old tweets.

Speaker 2 Delete it. Just delete your account.
You cannot delete seasons one through ten of Richard. I mean,

Speaker 1 they've gotten less,

Speaker 1 they're more whatever,

Speaker 2 conscientiously correct, but like sensitive or empathetic and empathetic to people's needs look I

Speaker 2 think that

Speaker 2 I think like as a as a product of the times she always like pushed the envelope of like what you could or should say and I think that like she's a formidable force in drag race lore and I think she's really like

Speaker 2 she's yeah she's a she's an icon for a reason yeah I like that I think she would enjoy that yeah I like that that was nice all right let's spin it again it's my turn.

Speaker 1 It has landed on Mark Zuckerberg.

Speaker 2 He's a ghost. Ghosts are real.

Speaker 1 Travis, did you just shout, you look like him?

Speaker 1 Was that you?

Speaker 2 It was you, Travis.

Speaker 2 Can I borrow your

Speaker 2 glosses for

Speaker 2 your glasses?

Speaker 1 Oh, no.

Speaker 2 There you go. Pop those on.

Speaker 2 There you go.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you're now there. Boom.
We needed the prop.

Speaker 1 So you don't need glasses.

Speaker 1 These are a look.

Speaker 1 You just, you literally, wow, and I, you, you, these are not real. You have, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 Wait. Don't explain.
There is no prescription for these glasses.

Speaker 1 Are they a prescription? For what?

Speaker 2 For what?

Speaker 1 A slight astigmatism.

Speaker 2 From a doctor?

Speaker 1 You have a slight astigmatism? Is that true strictly?

Speaker 2 Wait, John, are you seeing more clearly? Have you just learned that you need glasses?

Speaker 1 Do I have a tiny astigmatism?

Speaker 10 Let's get some numbers in the back. Just raise your hands in the back, fingers, and you can point out.

Speaker 2 What do the letters on that sign say?

Speaker 1 I could see that.

Speaker 1 I do have trouble reading the teleprompter a lot of the time.

Speaker 1 What if I have a tiny little astigmatism?

Speaker 2 Better late than Neville. Yeah, they have treatment for that.

Speaker 1 So I think the decision that this is similar is anti-Semitism, first of all. But

Speaker 2 look. Do the pose.
Do the pose. Look,

Speaker 2 somebody get a thumbnail.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's the

Speaker 1 that stinks. We have the same stylist,

Speaker 2 which is

Speaker 1 same stylist, which is the person that

Speaker 1 styled Harvard Westlake kids for their bar mitzvah in 2006.

Speaker 1 So yeah, you know, Mark Zuckerberg gets a bad rap, but because of everything that's gone on,

Speaker 1 like the like the ethnic violence

Speaker 1 and slow degradation of

Speaker 1 our social bonds, and the fact that he built a system that kind of destroys human connection, creates vast amounts of loneliness, and then announces he's creating AI so that people can have friends again.

Speaker 1 And then every once in a while he gives a speech about how much they're trying to help the world. And always part of that speech is explaining how they got it so wrong for the previous time.

Speaker 1 You know, it's always like, what we learned the last time was, no, bad. We're not going to do that again.
We have a whole new thing we're gonna try

Speaker 1 oh no we did it again

Speaker 1 but I love what he's doing in Hawaii

Speaker 1 let's spin it again wait as oh he's basically King Trident as well it's a lot of yeah I don't the um oh should I give these glasses back to one I'll do I got it I got it you're right I should give these back thank you thank you I believe you it's a real prescription

Speaker 1 You look great in the glasses. You look great.

Speaker 1 I do like it's a I like I see why you've chosen chosen it as part of your look.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 10 she's like, I'm never cleaning these glasses again.

Speaker 1 That's like a nightmare for you, in a sense. Like, oh my God, everyone's going to find out these aren't real glasses.
What are the odds? Like, oh, we'll sit in the front. What could happen?

Speaker 2 And then, like, it's like being naked in your dream at school.

Speaker 1 When you saw Courtney going for the glasses, did you know that I was going to discover that there's no prescription in them?

Speaker 2 It's a real prescription. That.
Also, you know what a good guy is. That's love.

Speaker 1 That's love.

Speaker 2 Also, love. However, if it was true love, he could have thrown himself under the bus and offered up your glasses.
His own.

Speaker 2 They're definitely real. They're more real.

Speaker 2 I trust you.

Speaker 2 They're even more real.

Speaker 10 Well, we can tell yours are real.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 You don't understand.

Speaker 2 Let's.

Speaker 1 What's happening?

Speaker 10 Let's spin the wheel.

Speaker 1 Let's spin the wheel. Spin the wheel.

Speaker 10 Is it my turn?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Let's see where it landed.

Speaker 1 It's poverty's turn. It's landed on Tyson.
Oh!

Speaker 2 Okay, well,

Speaker 10 people get it wrong about Tyson. Tyson Apostle, if you don't know him from Survivor Fame, he and I were at odds on heroes versus villains.
I wanted to play with him because Tyson has a very sharp wit.

Speaker 10 He's pretty brutally honest. He's honest in like the most meanest, darkest, cruelest way.
And it's so funny. He really makes being mean and being a villain hilarious.
And I, I, for one,

Speaker 10 want this, I want his like genre to grow. I want there to be more Tysons.
Like, there's a lot of Parvity's going out and playing Survivor. They're like, I'm going to play like Parvity.

Speaker 10 I want people going out and playing like Tyson because he elevates villainry to

Speaker 10 like an art form with the honesty and with the humor. And right now he's currently filming House of Villains.
So

Speaker 2 he's really settling into his name.

Speaker 1 He also kind of evolved. Like he was, he was much meaner and less empathetic earlier.
And he kind of grew up when he came to the house.

Speaker 2 Well, he's a dad. Yeah.

Speaker 10 I think him having kids changed him completely.

Speaker 2 Made him soft.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like when Steven Spielberg took the guns out of E.T.

Speaker 1 Let's spin it again.

Speaker 10 Only lightsabers.

Speaker 10 E.T. has lightsabers, right?

Speaker 2 Yeah, no, for sure.

Speaker 1 Courtney, defend. That's Mr.
Freeze.

Speaker 2 From Batman Forever?

Speaker 2 One of the rest of the

Speaker 2 vs. Robin.
Schwarzenegger.

Speaker 1 Batman versus Robin, right? Batman vs. Robin.

Speaker 2 With Chris. What's his face? Yes.

Speaker 1 The hot Robin. Yeah, and she's trying to kill you, Dick.

Speaker 2 Remember that? I do.

Speaker 2 He was hot.

Speaker 10 Wait, is that the one with Vicki Vale, Kim Basinger?

Speaker 1 That's just Batman 1989.

Speaker 2 I loved her.

Speaker 1 Whenever I get carted at a bar, I say, I saw 1989's Batman in the theater.

Speaker 10 And they're like, go on, sir.

Speaker 2 Even without your glasses, we'll let you in.

Speaker 2 I have to defend. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I can't remember. I mean, I can't remember what he did or why he wanted to do it.

Speaker 1 His wife was frozen. Right? He had a frozen wife.

Speaker 2 He was doing it all for a while. Remember? Oh, for true.
He was frozen wife.

Speaker 2 Oh.

Speaker 2 so he had a frozen heart

Speaker 2 his heart was frozen why did he get so cold

Speaker 1 oh they don't like it they don't like it they're revolting hey where's the rubber bullets i want you to know something i want you to know something i want you to know something nothing makes me want to sink into this more than you trying to move this show along

Speaker 1 Let's talk more about Arnold Schwarzenegger's performance as well.

Speaker 2 He is Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Speaker 1 Let's talk about that.

Speaker 2 Did he have an iconic line?

Speaker 1 Yes, he says something like, You're so cold.

Speaker 2 You're so cold.

Speaker 2 I met Patrick Schwarzenegger.

Speaker 1 I'm going to put you on ice.

Speaker 1 I'm going to put you on ice. Yeah, that's pretty good.

Speaker 1 Patrick Schwarzenegger.

Speaker 2 Is he a villain? Patrick on the White Lotus.

Speaker 10 I met Patrick.

Speaker 1 I think he's going to be typecast like a villain if he's not careful.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think, well, that's his dad, Mr.

Speaker 10 Freeze. Mr.

Speaker 2 Freeze.

Speaker 1 Let's spin it one more time.

Speaker 2 Governor of Kelt.

Speaker 1 It has landed on Deidre Miro,

Speaker 1 who we all know

Speaker 2 from Andor.

Speaker 2 What? Who are these people?

Speaker 2 Go, John. You defend her.
Yeah, please.

Speaker 1 I want to defend this character because it is inconceivable to imagine this woman kind of like laughing and like having a good time because the character is so unhappy. I like that.

Speaker 10 I bet if she comes to your sex party, she'll

Speaker 2 be still thinking about that.

Speaker 10 It's lodged itself in my octopus brain.

Speaker 2 You guys, stop.

Speaker 10 I was going to say, oh, this audience is so horny.

Speaker 2 It's not me.

Speaker 2 They're so

Speaker 1 they're so horny they're such free who is horny show of hands yeah

Speaker 2 more people are horny than thought that the octopus teacher was having sex with the octopus so

Speaker 2 i've got my finger on that you're a better judge of character than i am

Speaker 1 anyway i really liked andor

Speaker 1 you guys see and or

Speaker 1 so good

Speaker 1 you know what's cool about andor

Speaker 2 what is andor and

Speaker 2 cornea show of hands Who knows what and or is? Oh, okay, more people actually love me, so keep going.

Speaker 1 Here's the thing: there's two kinds of people in this world.

Speaker 1 There's people who have a kind of

Speaker 1 queer polyamorous thing going with Olympians, and people who got really into and or

Speaker 1 I'm into and or

Speaker 2 and or and or I'm not on Grinder, I'm on and or

Speaker 2 so and or's an app. No!

Speaker 2 A rumpy one.

Speaker 1 It's a riveting drama set in the Star Wars universe created by Tony Gilroy.

Speaker 2 This is the nerdiest thing I've ever heard.

Speaker 1 But I'll stick around.

Speaker 2 I love Andor.

Speaker 1 And what's great about Andor is there's now, this is what I want to tell people. It's important that people know this, that now there's a new trilogy if you think about it.
You can go and or

Speaker 2 Rogue One

Speaker 2 A New Hope.

Speaker 1 And that's it. It's a whole new trilogy for you.

Speaker 10 But it's like

Speaker 10 I'm watching and/or.

Speaker 1 No, no, no. It's one word: and/or.
It's both a place and a name of a person.

Speaker 2 Spell it?

Speaker 2 No. A-N-R-R.

Speaker 1 T-O-R.

Speaker 2 Oh, it's and/or.

Speaker 2 Which are they and/or?

Speaker 2 No, it's unrelated. It's unrelated.

Speaker 10 I'm watching this and/or.

Speaker 2 And/or.

Speaker 2 At.

Speaker 2 They, them, this, that.

Speaker 2 And or. And/or.

Speaker 2 That, or.

Speaker 2 I cry. Shut up.

Speaker 1 I cry basically at every episode, which actually doesn't make sense.

Speaker 2 That's sweet. That's sweet.

Speaker 10 We've seen your heart.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we have seen your heart tonight on stage. It's really beautiful.
Thank you.

Speaker 2 I'm going to go home and watch and or.

Speaker 2 Can't wait.

Speaker 2 How do I watch it? What's up? I'll watch Andor.

Speaker 1 Don Disney Plus. The plus is for the stuff they make.

Speaker 10 Specifically, and or

Speaker 2 other things.

Speaker 2 All right.

Speaker 1 Let's leave it there. Let's end this show.

Speaker 2 Everybody, everybody,

Speaker 1 we'll have to end some time.

Speaker 2 Having fun.

Speaker 1 Everybody, check out R and R.

Speaker 2 R.

Speaker 2 Very nice.

Speaker 1 Everybody, get Parvity's book.

Speaker 2 Get the book.

Speaker 10 Wait, you know, I'm doing a drag show on my book launch day,

Speaker 10 and there might be a very special surprise happening.

Speaker 2 Do you want to come?

Speaker 10 When is it? July 8th in Brooklyn at $3 Bill.

Speaker 2 I love $3 Bill.

Speaker 2 I'm going to be at a commune in Northern California on the show. Oh, my gosh.

Speaker 10 It's like parent trap. Freaky Friday.

Speaker 1 But then ships pass it in the night.

Speaker 1 Let's do calendars later.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 That's our show.

Speaker 1 Thank you so much to Courtniak, Harvard E. Shallow.
We'll see you next week right here at Dynasty Typewriter. There are 507 days until the midterm.
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