Ep 529 - Weed & Gambling (feat. Saagar Enjeti)

Wow, wow, Wes. We're live.
Sagar, thank you, dude. Thank you for coming.
Thank you for having me. I like your setup.
Thank you, man. Thank you.
Since I'm in politics, you know, I kind of think I vibe with the set more, I think. I think it's a good look for you, too.
I think you look good on it. Really? See, now I feel really self-conscious.
I should have worn my suit. The only reason I didn't is because I'm going out after this.
You know, I'm like going to be out of the town. You don't want to be walking around Austin, Texas.
Just sweating. I did it yesterday after Lex Friedman's podcast and I was getting a lot of looks.
Do you guys both wore suits? Yes, we both wore suits. That's right.
That's kind of nice. But his is the black suit.
His is different. He has like a uniform.
He does. And I like to change it up.
He's like an alien fighter. He dresses like Will Smith from Men in Black.
There's something nice about that. I've always wanted to do the Steve Jobs thing where I wear the same thing every day.
You could do it. I it i think you could do it i feel like i could i know one guy who's been wearing all white for seven years and i might jack his swag in comedy do you think it is useful to have a uniform or no because i noticed that comedians have been getting very like fashion forward yeah and sometimes i'll go to a set and i'm like honestly what he's wearing is kind of distracting me right now yeah i don't understand why i mean i have mean, I have like a loose uniform.
It's just jeans, usually these sneakers,

and I just switch a plain color t-shirt.

That's fine.

See, that's comfortable.

I could see that working.

But sometimes I'll see these guys

in like crazy-ass Gucci stuff.

Yeah.

I'm blinded by you right now.

I can't even hear what you're saying.

I never understood that, too,

because it's like, dude,

you're supposed to be making people laugh.

You tell me.

It's your profession.

I don't know what it is. I see people go way fashion forward on the stage, and I'm kind of like, dude, it's like dude you're supposed to be making people laugh you tell me i don't know it's your it's your profession i don't know what it is i see people go way fashion forward on the stage and i'm kind of like dude you're kind of it's like a distraction totally and nobody cares nobody cares i totally agree it's like nobody cares your job here is to play the fool like you're trying to dress like a cool guy it's like i think it detracts i i'm with you man i'm i think it detracts if i ever wear anything that is remotely eye-catching, I'll think about it on stage the entire time.

Really?

I can't, yeah.

It took me forever.

This is my aura ring.

It's just for tracking my biometrics.

I would meet every person I met.

I'd be like, I'm usually not a two-ring guy.

You're the only aura ring person I know who's a guy.

I know.

Well, they track their periods.

I know.

That's why every woman I know is like they're obsessed with period tracking.

How does it feel to be a guy wearing an aura ring? What do you even get out of it? Me and Nick Sacks from 311. I'm not the only guy.
Real men wear whoop straps. Whoop straps are cool.
But here's the thing. Sleeping with something on my wrist.
I get it to track my sleep. My sleep is way up.
It's just too clunky on my hand? It's too clunky. I tried doing the Apple Watch sleep, and I can't get with it.

I'll tell you.

When I got my wedding ring, it took me months to get used to this shit.

Yeah.

Even now, I'm always like this.

Yep.

I noticed subconsciously.

I'm always twisting around.

I bang it on shit.

I felt weird for the longest time, and then now if I don't have it on, I feel like a naked boy.

Do you ever get terrifying that you're going to rip your finger off?

I think about that all the time.

How are you going to rip your finger off?

I don't know.

Like the trunk or something. Like something will catch just exactly the right way.
Oh, you're going to rip your finger off? I think about that all the time. How are you going to rip your finger off? I don't know, like the trunk or something? Something will catch just exactly the right way.
Oh, you're going to come into it like that. Yeah, and your entire finger is going to be completely ripped off.
Look, if you rip your ring finger off, then it's on. You can do whatever you want.
Just be like, bro. My bad.
What do you even tell your wife? Put the ring on the nub? Yeah, just be like, I lost my ring. You just cheat on her all the time because you don't have a ring finger.
I don't have a ring finger. It's gone.
Our vowels are over. Yeah, if you lose that finger, you're a bachelor.
That's good. I like that.
You remember those rules in the 2000s? I love watching, you know, 2000s movies or actually 1990s, like American Pie, when they're like, it's not cheating if you're not in the same zip code. Oh, yeah.
And re-watching it 25 years later, you're like, that makes no fucking sense. You're like, what are you talking, like, how was this conventional wisdom in 2001? That, the hall pass was a big one, like, hall pass.
There was a whole Friends episode, like, what's your hall pass? But that's not real. It's just totally fake.
Yeah, you're butt-fucking a lady in a hotel room. Stop acting like it's a cute thing to do.
I was literally just thinking about hall passes yesterday. They try to push that for a little bit.
It was a huge 2000s trope as if all relationships functioned on if you're not in separate area codes, you're not married or you're engaged. Hall passes were apparently and allegedly a thing.
What else was there? Workwife, workwife, work husband. Workwife was a off I don't like that stuff at all The entire work wife concept is fucking weird I understand how it arises But it's not your work wife, you're cheating on your wife You're having an emotional relationship You are having an emotional affair That's going to bleed over Things were weird in the 90s And there was 90s, it was like very in vogue.
We talked about this before, but it was like very in vogue to like jailbait. The concept of like having sex with underage women was just like, yo, bro, I'm a jailbait.
That was a big, that's another big American Pie thing too. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, man, they don't age well, but they are still hilarious.
Dude, they're so funny. They should remake it.
They should do it again. We need, what was the last one? American Wedding? Is that what it is? I lost track.
American Pie, I saw that. That was like a huge thing to see when I was younger.
I kind of jumped off. That and Hangover, I didn't really follow the Hangover as well.
It's so good. Comedy's, they stopped making comedy movies for the most part.
Yeah, but the whole reason I'm here is because Shane is filming Tide. I know.
Now it's the emergence. It's re-emerging.
And that technically is a show. The comedy, the great American comedy.
There was like the Farrelly Brothers, all these people. You don't have like a comedy in the theaters.
And the weirdest thing too is that the director, Todd Phillips, I mean he made so many of those movies that I love. Old school.
He made, what else did he make? He made Road Trip, I think. Yeah.
Which is an incredible film. Road Trip is nice.
Road Trip is so good. But now, and then he did The Hangover, he became filthy rich, but then he just made, he made the Joker movie and then he made Joker 2, which is adorable.
It's like a total disaster. Why did they do that? I don't know.
I mean, the Galaxy Brain case, Tarantino had a really good quote. He's like, Joker is Todd Phillips saying, you know, the way he talks.
He's like, Joker is Todd Phillips saying, fuck you to the audience. And that's why it's brilliant and I was like I don't know Tarantino I think you're galaxy braining yourself and now that this shitty movie is actually really good yeah it's just bad it's just empirically bad I know even even though to be like yeah because it for me I always think of like the mood like the I guess if you're already you have that track record it's like people will still invest in you well that thing is fuck you money and he's a super weird dude one of my favorite books uh i read about hollywood was molly's game actually also became a movie which is a good movie i think it's on netflix um and it's about that girl who ran the high stakes poker game in in hollywood but i ended up reading the book and i found out toby mcguire is a complete and total psycho so toby yeah i had no idea..
So Tobey was part of the quote unquote pussy posse. He was pussy posse.
So I knew that. But then I'm reading about these weird psychological mind games that he would play in the book.
And he would, at one point he had a quote where he's like, poker is not about winning. Poker is about destroying people's souls.
And he would string people along and bring them and get them into debt. And he was constantly charging this girl, the girl who ran the games, and he was fucking with her and her livelihood.
And he would take the game. He's a multi-hundred millionaire or whatever.
And he's charging her for using his automatic shuffling. Just weird power game shit.
Like true Hollywood. He's like an evil nerd.
He's like an evil nerd. He's psycho.
What the fuck? Reading that book, I was like, dude, you are an actual psychopath. This Seabisc, he's the jockey.
That's Spider-Man. That's all I know about this guy.
I was like, oh, man. Well, he's probably upset his parents died when he was younger.
And he had to become a superhero and got bit by a spider. He's got that.
And then, yeah, the more I learned. And Todd Phillips is in the book, too.
That's what made me think of made me think he's nuts so this is all like a biographer basically like digging into these people she wrote the book she was like my journey running this is what he was doing poker got you got you got you she was like the assistant to some rich hollywood fuck and he brought her to run the games and then so she got in with like toby mcguire apparently leo came and toby got leo to come and pussy pussy yeah yeah but leo is also apparently like didn't talk to anybody and just put his headphones on the entire time while he was playing dude i've heard a headphone story about leo i was gonna say so that's what reminded me of the other you know the song he listens to no what is it oh dude it's uh fuck time to pretend he listens to time to pretend while looking like someone who's wearing like extremely young women. I mean, I don't get it.
Time to pretend. He listens to Time to Pretend while someone who's wearing extremely young women.
I don't get it. Time to pretend, dude.
She's 27. It's time to pretend she's 27.
No, younger. I'm saying she's 18.
He's pretending. Oh, that's right.
He's trying to pretend that she's 18. He's trying to pretend she's 27, but she is 18.
The whole thing is very strange. The Leo thing, I don't get it.
I love Leo. He leo he's such an incredible actor he's got great instincts he's actually a very very smart guy um but yeah his personal life it's weird i think we need to call a spade a spade it is and it's also one of those things where i think bill bar is like another avowed kind of like yeah i fucked 19 year olds i'm 65 and he's like he's older than that i think he's like 67 bro he might he might be pushing 70 actually really yeah yeah and it's another, and it's another one where it's like, yeah, it is weird.
It is definitely weird, dude, because it's the mental difference is crazy. Yeah.
I mean, we're talking like order, like statistical, like think about how many standard deviations away you are. It's like a vampire.
It's like you're an immortal vampire at that point. You're 70 talking to an 18-year-old.
To an 18-year-old girl. You're kind of babysitting her.
Absolutely you are. no question i don't know and if it's like dude like you could be like i can make a you know i can make a geometric case for their breasts it's like all right dude well like dude just stop being such a pervert go jack off you don't have to date an 18 year old just go jerk off you don't have to like try to make it a lifestyle i love this because this is a very just natural way of us like Like, you know, bringing ourselves to being like, yeah, you know, there's actually really something about you should just get married, bro.
Just get married. Be normal.
Being normal is good. It's actually a good thing.
People who aren't normal are fucking weirdos. And I mean, you know, you and I are in a unique position.
We actually probably eventually get to meet some of these famous people that you see or other, or you get to just hear little things that are not in the public. And you're like, oh yeah, there's a real cost of this, you're like and i'm like i'm not really sure you want i'm like i don't want to fuck with this this is not the way that i choose to live my life and i don't really want to be so well dude there comes a point where you're either involved in this like you know because yeah you're absolutely right because you you get to like you know they're like the rarefied air of like hollywood and all this stuff and it does turn into like a diabolical power game.

And it's like we all have those instincts to participate

in some level, but there are people who give

their entire lives to like

you know, like looking at another guy's car

or being like, he got what

project? Fucking motherfucker.

Where's my 19 year old girlfriend? I need to

fucking eat her pussy right now.

It's a real like weird consumerist

like idolatry of the self. It's like everything that I've learned, you know, in life is just like all of that is horrible and it's bad.
There's a good political, you know, thing to this too. If you stay in Washington, the thing is lots of people who are young come to Washington, 22, 23 years old, wide eyed, bushy tailed, all of that.
Most people burn out by 27. So I'm like in my mid thirties now.
And so I'm in the cohort, like we made it like the people who actually got the job, stayed in the lifestyle and all of that. But this is also, you know, there's this, uh, cringe show, but how I met your mother.
And there's a very important concept that Barney lays out in that show where he's like relationships. And I think life is like this, have off ramps, like an exit where it's like relationships is like one year, three year, five year, 10 year, 25're and if you look statistically he's not wrong yeah in terms of like when divorces and breakups and all that stuff happen but for yeah for like professional dc or honestly any career where it requires you to give fucking everything to it but then you start to see one of the most important pieces of advice i got was like look at where you are and then look at the guy who's 10 years in that same path.

And I was in the White House briefing room, for example, and I was looking around.

I'm like, wait a second.

I don't want to be any of you people.

I'm like, I need to get the fuck out of here.

Yeah.

I'm like, if we're on this track, I'm like, this is a bad track.

We got to get out.

What was the White House briefing?

Was that like when you sit and ask questions?

Yeah, that's where.

Well, I didn't even get to sit.

I had to stand like a bitch in the corner.

But excuse me.

So you're like just yelling questions.

It's horrible, man.

Yeah.

So actually, I'm hopeful with the new administration that we can change some of this up.

So the way it works is that the White House Correspondents Association is like a cartel.

And even though it's unofficial, they run everything.

So all the briefing room seats are assigned by the White House Correspondents Association.

I was working for the Daily Caller at the time, which is a conservative media outlet. And if you want a seat, you have to apply.
And applying takes years to get a new seat. And so if you don't have a seat, then obviously you have to get there early.
So I would get there hours early, ahead of time, just to be able to stand in the hallway, like on the side. And you're literally crammed in up against all these different people.
There's all this jockeying, and there's foreigners. It's like the stock market, kind of, in a way.
It's like a movie, right? And then you just sit there and you kind of poke your hand. I was lucky because I'm tall, so I actually had my hand above.
There was a short girl behind me, and she was like, can I get in front of you? I'm like, sorry, bitch. I was here at 5 a.m.
It's a dog-eat-dog world. Get here earlier.
I don't know what to tell you. That's what I'm talking about, though.
I don't want to be that person. That actually sucks.
Or there was this girl who was like, Hi, I'm shooting a documentary. I'm from England and all this.
And I was just wondering if I get my shot. I'm like, yeah, but if you get your shot, I'm going to get my questions.
And then my boss is going to chew my ass out, so it's just not going to happen. And you don't want to be in that mind space is more what I'm saying.
For sure. It takes a toll.
It toll. It does take a toll.
Hollywood finance, politics, all these other things all function the same way in that if you want to be in the top 0.1% of your field, you have to give everything to it and that's it. There's no other choice.
Yeah. And you know, people should be real with that.
So if you're listening and you're like thinking like, Oh, I really want to do something like that. Just be, just understand what it takes.
Understand what it actually takes to get there. Oh dude.
Yeah. For sure.
And it, dude, it's funny cause I'm, I'm viewing schools now viewing schools now for and it's like kind of related so i'm looking at schools for my uh daughter she's going into kindergarten next year so we're like looking at and it's like dude schools now are and i think it's good but they're what i've been seeing it's like they're educating people to like do something for everybody to like bring something to the world rather than like well you know we were in school more like, yeah, build yourself up so that you're a high value individual that you can just take resources for yourself and just, you know, like fuck off. And it's like, yeah, but the problem is, is like they sold everyone that dream.
But the reality is, is like most people aren't going to get those. Well, and it's not going to be doctors.
Most people don't want to do that. You don't want like for, I'm Indian.
So I know a lot of doctors. It's like, do you want to know how hellish medical school is? Be real.
Whatever you want. For real.
Do you want to spend eight years in school, four years making shit money with $300,000 in debt, working 80, 90 hours a week, getting shit on by the attending physicians, then hoping, hoping and praying that you get, you know, your placement or whatever for the next job. So by the time you're my age, you can finally get your first paycheck.
Oh, but fuck you. Even though you get your first night's paycheck, 90% of that is going to be going to clearing off of your medical debt.
And you've lived 10 years. You're probably now addicted to smoking, food, like some vice.
There's no way. Again, you know this too.
When you work really hard, it takes it all from you. You're going to be addicted to energy drinks, nicotine, whatever.
you need something yeah it's not possible to do it natural it's dude it's true i've i've gone back and forth and it's like i'm like no i don't need anything and i had like a pretty harsh caffeine phase for myself i'm like sensitive to it yeah i had to stop that because i wasn't sleeping but how do you because you travel a lot yeah that's brutal i've recently it sucks i've recently introduced melaton like natural type. I don't want to take anything, but I've, I've succumbed to just like, interesting.
Just can I give you a warning about melatonin though? Yeah. So Andrew Huberman says not to take melatonin.
I know man, I know it's not good. I know it's not right.
It was something about something. He said like the, the label on the bottle can be anywhere between like 2% and 100 and a thousand percent of what's actually in there.
What? Yeah. And he said something, don't take my word for it, but it was something along the lines of, I've seen them give melatonin to rats and it shrivels their balls.
What? So he's like, I think that it messes with testosterone. Enough said, dude, I'm done.
My opinion, you should stay off. I'm off it.
Stay off the melatonin. I'm off it.
It is a, as soon as I started taking it, I was like, I get why Michael Jackson had a guy with like an IV in his arm. I'm like, dude, that was a whole it was propofil but you start to like dude it's like you're just sitting there reading a book and all of a sudden the melatonin just starts to like weigh you're like a stone statue and you're just like did you uh read about this matthew perry thing oh it was so fucked up so what actually happened to him uh so i mean it's really sad i read his book actually after he died and uh perry was obviously everybody knows he was a drug addict but you know it's uh his parents it turns out his mom was like the press secretary for justin trudeau's dad what when he's a prime minister yeah it was actually and apparently beat the show justin trudeau when they were kids which is why matthew perry beat up justin trudeau that's kind of boss yeah it is cool but so perry it turns out when he was like a really little baby and he was crying, his parents would give him like benzos, like benzodiazepine.
What? Like really fuck. And he was like, yeah, when some of my parents' funniest stories is about me as a baby just sitting there like drooling out of my mouth when they were plugging me full of benzos because I was crying.
He was like colicky. And so his theory of why he's so fucked up and addicted to drugs was

because at a very early age that he had benzos and he's talked about how the very first time he ever felt like anything was good in this world was when he was drunk at 14 years old and that was the rat race and then he becomes a fucking hundred millionaire centimillionaire whatever from friends and that's why you can see his weight wildly fluctuate on the show because he was either drunk or he was on pills or he was on oxy.

But, dude, the thing is with Perry is he died of a ketamine overdose, I believe. And the Los Angeles district attorney filed this case against a so-called ketamine queen.
And they have text messages in there of the doctor and the girl who was selling him all this illegal ketamine being like, much can we take this rich asshole for you know charging him thousands of dollars per hit of ketamine of which they're buying it's not very chill ketamine community deeply exploitative shit like really bad i have a horrible i have a lot of people are really into ketamine i have a very kind of like weird thing because i knew a lot of like evil hippies who were like oh they got like addicted to that shit they used to call it they used to call it hippie heroin what's it called k-hole right k-hole yeah yeah dude before it became mainstream it was known like people that call it's hippie heroin because they would like nod out what does it do because i thought that it helps dissociative but there's the depression aspect there's like the therapeutic aspect and apparently he'd been having ketamine in a therapeutic setting but then i guess he got addicted to that and that's why he died in that hot tub man because yeah dude and it was like his assistant his little drug assistant they were working to procure him drug and charge him thousands of dollars because they were ripping this guy off that's not right they're it's called custody and someone out they're custody you treat them custody prices yeah it's not a good thing to do but yeah i i've heard people who swear by it they're like if you do like because you can do like you know they've like they make like little lozenges and stuff so you can like lay there my brother's all about it he's like you lay there he's a big k guy big k guy big special k guy he was really selling me on it and it was like you know i'm like and i get like if you're laying there it's like a 30 minute ordeal you come out of it he's like it is it's good it's like you know well uh but then there's doctors like we'll prescribe you a little bit like you can just kind of have it to kind of like because you can either like get into a k-hole or just kind of take the edge off and i knew like these dudes that would just snort k constantly but if you snort too much then you'll just be sitting there like the other k that i see signs for everywhere and i actually don't know what it is is crate is it crateum crateum yeah what is kratum it's like you see signs for this everywhere cbd you sell Kratom. I don't know a single person who ever used Kratom.
I don't know what Kratom is. I know it, dude.
I just know it exists, but it's everywhere. It's literally everywhere.
It's every gas station in America. Gas stations sell like full on.
They sell drugs. Or you can sell weed legally at gas stations now.
Dude, they did it. It's the hemp farm bill allowed THCA, which is weed, the active ingredients, THC.
Is that the same as, was it spice or whatever? No, it's dude. So spice is a synthetic.
So it's like if you take, you know, delta nine tetrahydrate, whatever it's called, there's the exact molecule that's illegal. Spice is like, let's remove a couple of carbon molecules and like a hydrogen.
And now it's like very similar, but it's legal because it's not technically the same. So it's like an analog or whatever you want to call it.
Sure, sure, sure. So what Kratom is, well, with the THCA stuff, it's like weed picked off the plant is THCA because there's a carbon molecule.
That's why if you have to make brownies, you have to heat the weed up to decarboxylate it. And that's what like THC is illegal, but THC is legal.
So now you can grow hemp, which is just weed, with THCA, which is just THC, and it's legal. And you can sell it at a gas station.
It's completely schizophrenic. It makes no sense.
It makes no sense. But, I mean, I think it's sick.
You can mail it right to your house. Really? Oh, yeah.
You can just get it mailed right to you. Are you a big weed guy? I was for the longest time.
I can smell weed in here, you know. It wasn't me.
I know you hate it. That was you, bro.
You were blazing. Me and Saga were blazing being stronger yeah yeah i like that don't put misinformation out there right the moment my moment i came down here my nostrils flared i didn't want to say anything but i did suspect you i'm not gonna lie i immediately suspected you i was a big weed guy since i was like in high school through college but you quit right so it's a success story i cut it out but here's the thing it becomes too much like especially when you have kids it's like i just can't i can't be high can you tell that to more people yeah some people claim but like for me personally it's like having like a like um like a weird panic attack at a playground yeah not serving your family that sounds horrible oh fuck dude that's gotta be brave for my daughter No, it's chill, dude.
It's totally chill. Dude, the thing is, the weed is so strong.
Yes, I know. Thank you.
Please continue. Dude, I've literally I was selling weed from 2008 up until whatever.
Pretty embarrassingly recently. But the...
Whatever. I don't even remember.
I'm going to call 9-1-1. I'm going to call Philly PD.
Maybe 2009. Is weed legal in Philly? I knew a guy who got, it's totally, it's medical.
Okay. I knew a guy who got caught with coke in, outside of the, you know, whatever, Delaware County.
Uh-huh. And apparently they, the Delaware County, or like whatever township police called the Philadelphia PD and like we caught this guy with cocaine.
We also think he's been buying weed from Philadelphia and dude, the Philly PD just went hung up on it. He was in the room.
He was in trouble for it. I mean, to be fair, they have, like, actual problems.
Yes. Murders.
Yeah. And they were just like, he's like, dude, the Philly PD hung up on township police.
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It has become drugified. So I watched weed develop for years, very close to it.
And it became a thing that was like, dude, this is like... Everyone talks about this.
Like in the to it and it was like uh it became a thing that was like dude this is like dude like you know it was like everyone talks about this like in the 70s was like 7 thc and you get like 14 15 was like wow dude it's like 30 some of them are like 28 to 30 percent it's too much and they also the percentage was that are uh sold to you it's kind of like what i just said about melatonin you have no idea whether that's correctly in there or not so yeah let's stay off the weed let me that also allow me a weed diatribe that's fine i'll give you one i what my thing is now it's like so now they're starting to regrow it and introduce like the um grow it so it's like only seven percent with cbd okay and that's very relaxing it's not as psychoactive it just it really can like make you it's like the founding father weed that's like the hemp george washington smoke oh is it okay it's very chill you're not like you might get like you know well he was doing opium too do you think other people was he doing opium of course they all were doing opium back then i didn't know that painkillers happen yeah true i guess that's a forbidden part of the 1900s and nobody ever talks about the shocking number of opium and cocaine addicts that were up until like the 1920s an incredible of society was addicted to morphine, opium, cocaine. You could get it readily across the counter.
A lot of the doctors were going to prison because they were coke addicts and they were prescribing cocaine to different people. It's actually pretty wild.
Yeah, I think you can get it in prison. You can get opium in prison in like the 20s.
I think you could order it on a commissary. Oh, wow.
I read a book about an old burglar from 1890s. It's probably not a bad way to spend the time.
You're already locked up. You could just gobble it up.
You could just gobble it up. I think it was like either the guards were selling it, but I remember the guy was saying in the book he just ordered some opium from the truck.
It wasn't illegal for a long time. It took a long time.
It's the was a lot of it's the same problems we have now like opium addicts at the time that it's like for a while they're an opium they can't afford opium you start robbing people to pay for your opium and that's like they're like okay we gotta get rid of this yeah this is a problem dude the kratom now is kratom is a it's not so what is it so it's technically an opiate it's a plant it's a natural plant but it has this is what they say about it's natural Yeah, it's natural. What did you just talk about? Oh, the cross plays with this.
30, 40% now. It's like, that's not fucking natural.
Exactly. That's as natural as the red tomato in a grocery store.
I totally agree. I think they've totally, they've ruined weed.
Now, it's called type 2 cannabis. They're walking it back, and I think that, because, dude, I couldn't, I would just, like, freak out.
I'm like, this sucks. This isn't fun at all.
Or I do think, though, and this is like a, I's i do like saying this people because people get very like bullish with weed they'll be like dude fucking five milligram i could take a 50 mil it's like this because you're a dumbass you don't have anything going on in your brain so you're just like you've actually cooked so much of your iq off that you no longer have the iq to understand naturally they're a dumbass they're already always been people can do like 200 milligram edibles it's like yeah because're a fucking dumbass. You don't have anything going on in your mind.
You're just sitting there like, you're like, like a dog gets a brownie. You're just kind of like, or you metabolize it differently.
I don't know. Okay.
Yeah. But dude, you have to create them.
They do snag people with the natural stuff, but it's like it mimics opiates. So people will use it to get off of like, you could be sick.
It's like methadone? Heroin. If it was a plant.
But it also is different. Like if you take a little bit, it's energizing.
but if you take a lot it's like off of like you could be sick like methadone heroin if it was a plant but it also is

different like if you take a little bit it's energizing but if you take a lot it's like you

ate like four percocets dude and people get addicted to it man no no i do know that that's

why i brought it up because there is a lot of this weird stuff that like kratom uh obviously

weed now with the mass legalization and nobody ever talks about you know if you look at the weed

graph like over 20 of weed users are using it on a multi-daily basis so that is like

Thank you. mass legalization, and nobody ever talks about it.
If you look at the weed graph, over 20% of weed users are using it on a multi-daily basis. So that is like, imagine if 20% of people who drank alcohol drank straight liquor all day, every day.
That's not even close. What is the percentage of people who drink alcohol daily? Who are daily drinkers? I think it's like 7% to 8%.
Actually, by the way, I'm not putting alcohol off the – For sure. It's really bad.

People who are alcoholics, it ruins your life.

It will kill you early.

There's all this stuff.

And actually, weed and alcohol, almost all vices actually have the same effect where between like seven – it's like the Pareto principle where 20% can be responsible for 80%.

And so 20% of weed users consume almost all of the weed because they're using it every single day and it's extremely high THC and it's psychoactive. Anybody who knows anybody who's ever owned a liquor store, it's like the vast majority of your sales are going to the same like alcoholics.
Honestly, it's really sad. And then gambling is the same way.
Like a huge percentage of casino returnees, like, you know, people go to Vegas and they have fun. But like if you have ever spent time in a casino, like the people that come every single day are just like pissing their lives.
It makes you really sad. That's the saddest part.
It's so sad. That is really sad.
It's so sad. When you see, especially the old people there and you're like, damn, your kids stopped talking to you.
You've worked your whole life. Do you have sports gambling advertisers, do you? Oh, big time, yeah.
Oh, do you? Okay. You can talk whenever you want.
Okay, all right. Well, then I'll say it.
It's not a better free speech. You think I'm going to restrict speech at the podium? Sorry, DraftKings and FanDuel and all these other people.
It's not those two. Okay, good.
All right. We've definitely had that before.
Oh, have you? Say whatever you want. Okay, all right.
Yeah, I'm not worried about that. Well, I don't want to get you in trouble, but you know.
Can you get me in trouble? I have become totally convinced. I don't put cars on the table.
I actually like to go to the casino.

I think casino gambling is really fun,

but I think it's very important that I have to go to the casino to a

physical location.

The stats right now on sports gambling,

it's just like weed,

all vices disaster.

If you look at the amount of money that is being sucked out of people's

pockets,

it's horrible.

So in this,

in September in New Jersey alone,

New Jersey betters lost $200 million gambling online in full online gambling. They lost 400 million.
They were gambling on sports and a total of 900 million in a single month of September. Just if you include also the casinos.
So you can see that almost half of the money that New Jersey betters lost, by the way, Jersey's not that fucking big. So we just talked about a billion dollars got sucked out of the market people are addicted to sports gambling man it's terrible and the other thing is if i studied i went and i read a little bit about how casinos operate and casino profits like the amount that they take is called the hold like on a game and the hold for draft kings fan duel and all these others is way higher because traditional gamblers and casinos, they'll bet the money line or they'll bet the spread.
But these retards on sports gambling are buying and doing all these parlays that get algorithmically pushed. You have no fucking chance of winning your parlay.
Sorry. Sorry.
You're not going to win your parlay. And don't ask me.
Check the stats and look at the profits for where all these people are coming from. So, dude, mass sports gambling has a fucking disaster.
Like you've seen domestic violence has gone up in the places where it is. Bankruptcies are up.
You're seeing a huge amount of credit card debt, 25% increase amongst the people where it is legal. And actually, I just read an article about Brazil yesterday, where basically it's a social transfer program where the government is cutting checks to working class people.
Those people are gambling almost 40% of their paychecks away on a consistent basis. So it's like a mass wealth transfer that's happening right now.
And yeah, I mean, sadly, because you can do it online, just imagine if you could take your phone out and there was an app on your phone where you could drink alcohol. Do you know how popular that app would be? Yeah.
Or see naked girls. Oh yeah.
Well, we'll get to that next. We're going to come next.
This is going to be the Killjoy podcast. But imagine if you could like suck marijuana from an app that was out of your phone.
People would be addicted to that. Gambling is honestly worse than both of those.
It's a double addiction because the phone's addictive. Yes, exactly.
And then you put addiction on top of an addicted device. So you have algorithms, you have phones, and you have money that is now at stake.
Every single state where this has happened has been an absolute nightmare. And all you have to do, the thing is, is that the gambling companies, legally, they have to disclose all of this.
So all you have to do is go and read their profit and loss statements and look how much of this is coming from the parlay bets it's the vast majority of their profits and yet you idiots keep signing up for it and uh i get that it's fun but it's not funny whenever your wife is like hey baby can we buy these uh berries for our child and you're like oh i actually pissed it all away on a parlay last night and you know now you have guys who are you know you've seen this explosion and people are like i'm gambling gambling on women's softball or in Korea. And I'm like, bro, you have a problem.
Yeah, yeah. You have a problem.
That's always been people like that's degenerate. Like the world, Little League World Series.
You are a degenerate. You are a D-gen, bro.
And this is, OK, this is my case. I think gambling should be legal.
I think. But it should only mean casinos.
Because one of my favorite parts about going to the casino is you meet the characters, right? You go to the craps table and you see a guy who hasn't showered in three days and he's got his colostomy bag on. And by the way, he will teach you how to roll the dice.
And so shout out to that man for showing me how to do it. But seeing him, I'm like, I don't ever want to be even in the same universe of whatever this dude is.
But you can't see that when you're on the couch. You don't understand.
You're the sucker. Last thing on this that I found out from Nate Silver's book is that if you are any good at sports gambling, you're banned.
That's kind of fucked up. So if you win consistently on DraftKings or on FanDuel, they will cap your bet size to like $2.
They're like, oh, you're allowed to bet $2.14. That's bullshit.
Yes, and then people are like, I'm actually really good at sports gambling. I'm like, oh, how you been on the app? They're like, three years.
I'm like, you're not any good at sports gambling. I'm like, it would have been Jurassic.
Yeah, that's everyone else. I'm like breaking even, basically.
It's like, well, first of all, you need to win 52% of your bets just to beat the house because 2% is the vague that goes to the yeah yeah but then over that it's like the look you're not winning if you're still gambling consistently on the apps you have not won and they're you're the sucker that's just you know they should do an easy amendment to this that wouldn't be such a money suck is that when you lose your gambling money it's held from you for six months they get to make money on the interest and then they send it back to you so you're like that would be nice but moment momentarily penalized. I just read in New York.
I mean, why would they do that? They would be like, fuck you, how about we keep all of it and make interest off it? These guys are making the biggest killing in the planet. And the best part is all the states are doing it too because they want the money.
But the thing is, look, they're going to pay for it because it's one of those where you're getting this fake tax revenue. But yeah, when you have to come and send cops to johnny's house because he went fucking broke and he beat up his wife or his girlfriend or whatever you're paying for that you know he's blowing off some steam right parlay goes down he's gonna house uh one of those plastic bottles of whiskey from costco yeah and uh we all know what happens next it is weird that like when like it's like when jobs are scarce like it just people just end up beating up girls.
If there's not good stuff going on, people are like, well, I guess I have to beat up a girl now. It happens across every culture.
It's every culture. Actually, a lot of people got mad at me on the show because I was talking about it during one of our immigration debates.
I think you talked about it a little bit, actually, on your show. And I was just like, look.
And by the way, just full disclosure i married into an irish family from philadelphia so there you go all right so i i uh i have no discrimination against the iris but what i'm saying is back in the day uh i think it was reasonable to be like well you know all these people are coming over here and they drank a lot of whiskey and yeah so here's the nobody knows this the very first thing that women did whenever they voted was ban alcohol that's why the temper the temperance movement was entirely driven by women and if the reason why is because they were getting the absolute shit kicked out of them by their drunk ass husbands who were drinking a liter of whiskey per day on average yeah to deal with you know the industrial revolution for sure yeah all this but it was also let's let be honest, it was part of their culture, right? Yeah, for sure. And so people don't forget is that, for some reason, it's intrinsic.
Alcohol gambling and beating the shit out of your wife, it's just a package deal. It's one big thing.
You are signing up for that. You are, 100%.
So don't incentivize it. Yeah, it's just impulses ruling the roost and then eventually the curtain closes and you're like right yeah well really really what i think it is is just somebody for the first time is showing the reality of what you've done where you can rationalize your parlays away you can rationalize all this but the very first time like i just said we're like hey can we pave to go see i don't know like i want to go see my mom next week or whatever can i get a fly they're like no we literally don't have it yeah and or the ultimate being i told you the chiefs aren't going to kick a favor shut the fuck up you didn't know that yeah it well it is funny there is a huge because you know my whole i'm all like irish catholic doubt and it's like yeah like we've seen someone fall at a wedding i'm like man it's like it's so normal and like my wife would like cry she's like that's not right i'm like that's so sad i'm My in-laws and their family are not like that.
People fall at weddings. It is what it is.
Stop being a baby. I did see a really funny tweet.
And they're like, you know, I left Dublin and I moved. I forget where they moved.
Like somewhere in South America or something. And they're like, and what I thought was we were all having a good time.
It turns out we're just crippling alcohol. Yeah.
Yeah. Like family beach trips were just like adults hammered for seven days.
And I'd just be like, all right. The kids would get hammered.
They would pass out. East Coast beach culture is weird.
Oh, it's crazy, dude. I'll tell you this.
It's crazy. I had no exposure to it because I grew up here.
But yeah, I went to like, I think went to Rehoboth, which is like the nice beach, right? But even then I'm like, man, these ladies are hammering Tito's at like 9 a.m. in the morning.
Oh, yeah. I'm like, there's some crazy shit going down.
East Coast beach culture is like getting, it's like quiet. That's not like as like cool like Margaritaville.
It's just people just quietly. Quietly de-jams.
My uncles would be like, they would all joke. They'd be like, oh, man, who's going to crack the first one? They'd be like, oh, I don't give a shit.
I'll do it. And you just crack a Coors Light.
Now they don't let you drink on the beaches like that. Really? Yeah, they're taking people.
I saw a lot of people doing it. Well, in the Jersey Shore.
Well, they're doing it in the solo cups. That's what I'm saying.
They used to, and they'll still come around and police you. I grew up going to Sea Isle, and dude, it was just beers, whatever.
Really? Now it's like you have to have a cup, and they'll come around. If you have alcohol in your cup, they can just write you a fine.
Everyone's going to drink on the beach. Of course they are.
See, and this is where my nanny state instincts kind of, I'm like, alright, well, fuck off. People are also on the beach, and that's a money grab for what we need rules.
But really what it is, like, we just need a better we need a better culture around this stuff because nobody we just got to acknowledge the downsides. Right.
That's that's all I'm asking. Everybody's asking, like, sports gambling is the greatest thing ever.
It's about freedom. You're going to get and look at their ads.
Right. You're going to get rich.
You're doing free. Fifteen dollars.
We'll give'll give you $500 for $5. $5, $500 deposit.
I'm like, once again, bro, have you ever been to a casino? That shit doesn't get built based on winners. Like 99% of the people who walk out of there are fucking losers.
The odds that are you is almost 99%. Well, I think the gambling companies would be happier doing this because they do do that little disclaimer.
Like, by the way, guys, if you don't, if you case you. Yeah, but that's mostly bullshit.
And a lot of it is because they're required by the state to put it in there. And then what the states do is they take part of these losses and they fund these gambling.
But it's like you are the the rise in sports gambling addiction has created the need for these gambling addiction centers. So it's like, just don't have it in the first place.
The weirdest part weirdest part about gambling addiction is that it's not even about winning or losing. I read some book.
They like when they lose. That's the craziest part.
They love it when they lose. Or it's more like the flow state of just being like, it's not the winning or losing.
It's just going from thing to thing and your brain's totally focused on something. Again, I get it.
I like it. I love to play Baccarat.
I don't like to gamble. I'm just filled with anxiety the whole time.
I love games of chance. Poker is more actually, I think I could justify poker because I wouldn't even really call it gambling, although it is technically like kind of a game of chance.
But there's a lot of strategy. Obviously, like the famous rounders quote, it's like the same 10 people may end up at the finals for a reason.
It's not a game of fucking chance. Whereas if you go to blackjack competitions or Bacharach competitions fucking you get lucky yeah that's how it works i see the appeal of both but there is something i this is where i'll flip the script man the magic of the cards like when the baccarat thing that's exactly what it is you're like nine nine nine you're just sitting there that moment the anticipation and it's fun and when you hit it oh my god it's so fun yeah it's unbelievable it's also i play like 15 tables in charlestown west virginia next to toothless chinese women who are uh getting their chinese ash i prefer honestly i'd rather be around them i love them shout out to the uh yeah you always want to gamble with chinese if you're playing baccarat chinese and vietnamese they know what's up that's a good idea that's a good call and the less teeth they have, the more good at the game they are.
They've got patience. They have all these superstitions about dragons and colors.
That's the thing, though, man, because I was sitting there one time backstage at a comedy show, and they were playing dice in the green room. They had this little box.
And I was like, it is just people interacting with magic. People are attracted to gambling.
It's magic. It's like a divine thing.
Craps is also definitely the most fun in the game in the casino, although it is minus EV every single bet on the craps table. But when you play, the magic of it is it's a crowd's game.
And I love craps gurus. Like I was talking about the diabetic guy, and he's like, yeah, he threw it over here, threw it over here.
It's like the first time he throws to the right, he's going to roll seven, which means we all get fucked. So he's like, he's about to roll that, take your bet off.
And I was like, all right, got it. Got it.
He was right. And I was like, dude, I, my only time playing craps, they know something.
My only time playing craps, a guy was like, just do what I do. And I was up $1,300 very quickly.
Holy shit. Very quickly.
Very quickly. Whoa.
And I was just playing higher stakes than I am. I was just drunk.
And then I got cocky. I was like, I know what's going on.
As soon as i started doing my own bets yeah i was back down to 600 i just picked it up i was like thank you sir just walked i was like i'm fucking you left up that's you know that's i will do that i'm ruthless at a casino if i win 100 bucks i'm out i'm like get me the fuck out of here i just won 100 bucks it could be 200 that's to me i'm like yeah i get so disgusted when i lose yeah the feeling i get i just i'm like get, I just, I'm like, I think about just them just, like, taking, like, the time I spent into, like, work and life, especially when I was, like, just working a job where I was, like, I could be like, oh, that was a day of my life. Yes.
And I would just think of that just getting, like, sucked into a vault, which is a huge chamber of money. To pay for free drinks for these fat alcoholics.
Or, like. It would kill me.
Just sitting in the slot machine, slot machine like no it would fucking kill me

the worst part is

I don't really gamble much anymore

but it was like

when I first did it

I was in Vegas

for my cousin's bachelor party

and he was like

you know do this do that

and I won the first four times

I gambled I won

every time

what game was it?

blackjack

and I would just win

it's a very high variance game though

that's the problem

you get fucked so easily

dude I'd win like $200

and I'd win $200

and I'd just get the fuck out

and I would spend all

my code was

every dollar I won gambling

I'd spend it on everyone around me immediately. And it worked.
You got to spread the love. You got to get the juju.
You need the luck. Just exactly.
And then I'd tip the dealers heavily. And then I was like, I think I'm good at blackjack.
And I instantly lost like $700 so fast, dude. Oh, yeah.
The fat... It was like 15 minutes.
I was just out. Oh, yeah.
That's what they do's what they do because it's a high variance game and they know they can wipe you out way before you're gonna wipe them out so what they want to do is just deal all those hands per hour and uh already blackjack I think blackjack is a 51 49 game I'm pretty sure even with perfect were you playing basic strategy like perfect no idea what the fuck I was doing there was a guy yeah there's no idea and there'd be guys like dude you got. And I'm like, no.
I'm sure they get mad at you. Actually, yeah.
If you don't play basic strategy correctly, because if you fuck it up, you're going to fuck the whole shoe up for the entire table. And so they get very upset.
They were very displeased with me, but I was like, bro, this is not my problem. We're not on a team.
You're not sharing your money with me. Gamblers know this.
This is gen pop shit. You're like, we're not on a fucking team.

We're not splitting this money. This is my call.

No, but it is a team because if you fuck the math

up and he's going to hit it, he's going to get the wrong card

because he's playing math and you're

not. But Dana White

has a theory. That's his problem, man.
Yeah, Dana White

is like, sometimes you got to go to war

with the shoe.

He's like, you got to turn basic strategy

on the shoe. I was like, I don't really think that's how math works, i mean he's super rich i don't care yeah i heard he likes to gamble oh he's heavily me and my friends who like to go to the casino we will hype ourselves up with dana white clips yeah yeah it's just like because he has uh he has like a love of the game like he he's like he's like you know i'm as hell.
I can get on the jet and I can go anywhere else.

If my kids are gone,

I'm going to the casino.

He's just like,

that's what I do.

It's what I do for fun.

It's just scary.

Once you're that rich,

you have to play with big sums

to excite yourself.

He plays for millions.

I think he said his dream

is to play $1 million

per hand on Baccarat.

A million dollars a hand.

He said I think the highest

he's gotten is like $300,000.

To be fair,

one of the reasons

they probably won't let him

and that's one of the reasons

I like Baccarat

is Baccarat is an actual

50-50 game.

That's what I thought.

So the house edge is like 0.05 so you actually have pretty i mean you have like good odds but like you did better than fucking blackjack for sure yeah any of these especially crap crap's a shit show it's the most fun game in the casino but every single one of the games like i said is minus ev you're EV. You're almost certainly going to lose money.
Like whenever you play,

especially in the long enough timeline. So if you do win,

like you just get out of there.

If you're up,

like if you have a hundred and you,

a one,

200,

get,

get the fuck out immediately.

Yeah.

Same with roulette.

Do not play triple zero roulette.

That is the biggest scam in the entire casino.

What's triple zero.

So,

uh,

on roulette,

you know,

they,

if you could just bet black or red,

the way that the house has its edge is in the entire casino. Which triple zero? So on roulette, you know, they, if you could just bet black or red, the way that the house has its edge is in the old days, they had a green zero.
So after a while, the casino execs were like, what if we had two zeros? We're like, maybe these idiots in Vegas. And you know, people are drunk and they're like, oh, there's only two zeros.
I don't even think about the zeros. The math goes from like 49% or whatever to like the house edge goes from like one or 2% to like 7%.
And then after a while, they couldn't add three zeros. So they added like whatever the casino.
No, they added a third one. So they go zero, then double zero.
And then they have like the MGM logo on the wheel. So now the edge is like 11%.
I thought you were saying they added one zero, one one, zero, and then a third, but it was a double zero. No, no.
So there's a zero, then there's a double zero and then there'll be so like MGM or Caesars or whatever. You're just pissing your money away.
Like people, you know, you know, there's the meme. It's like, if you win, you're like, put it all in black or whatever.
Well, check the zeros because if there's triple zero, you're fucked. All right.
Like you have not Not good odds. Dude, that's the...
You know what I've done though with poker or not poker? The last couple of times I've been in a casino environment for like standup or something. A lot of times they give you chips.
Really? Something I've had fun... Yeah.
They'll give you like a couple of... Just let me know the dates.
I'll come with you. Yeah.
I'll give you like a hundred bucks. I'll give you like a hundred dollars.
Oh, man. Yeah.
You can break that down. We can turn that.
We could turn it into $150. Yeah, yeah.
We'll turn it into $150. Dude, what I started doing is when they give me chips, I put it on.
I go to roulette or blackjack. I put it all on one hand.
And if it wins, I give it to the dealer. So here you go.
I love that. That's very nice.
And if I lose, I go, hey, man, whatever. It feels good.
That does, yeah. I mean, dude, you know the people they have to deal with.
What a shitty job. I'm sure they make a lot of money some at least some of them but yeah probably the good ones but oh god i can't imagine you're dealing with the absolute like dregs of humanity especially like at you know at their worst like hit fucking up and like well i hate that too when people get mad at the dealers and they're like it's your fault like you're not that guy sucks i'm just like dude fuck you but then you also don't really want to do anything because you're like this guy's kind kind of crazy.
So I'm not going to be a whole white knight. You put your hands on maybe, but like, you know, up until that, you're like, can we get security over here? Yeah, dude.
It's a... I've never got bit by the gambling bug, man.
That's good. I tried to be a bookie for a while.
Whoa. I tried and it was just like...
Yeah, but where were you getting your lines from? It was like my friend knew another... It was like a sub-bookie thing where I was sending them kind of just bets, basically.
Oh, I see. But it was my job to collect them all.
Really? It was just my friends. It was just my friends.
Yeah, but what about when they don't pay? So here's what happened. They were like, I don't watch sports like that, so I didn't know what the fuck was going on.
So if they lost, they would call my... They would just leave me voicemails all weekend being like, put like put another one put it and they just kept doubling down doubling down doubling down and then eventually like some of my friends owed me money and i just got to the point where i was like i'm not taking your money for this and i just like told the guys like i'm not doing this anymore i just felt bad like if you like sell something to somebody yeah that's like yes you gave me that but to be like yo the bears lost you owe me 250 dollars which is i was like and you actually have to collect it too yeah Yeah.
And I was like, I don't want to do it. Yeah, exactly.
That's the big thing, man. I don't know.
Yeah. I mean, East coast sports gambling culture has always been there.
I don't know. I mean, I grew up here.
I don't remember thinking or hearing like other parents, I guess I grew up in a Bible bell area, so they wouldn't be doing it, but I don't remember a lot of money changing hands on college football. But now these days, college football is actually even more where the action is.
I could see that, yeah. Because apparently it's like there's the mismatches or whatever.
There's like underdogs. For somebody who hates gambling, I know way too much about gambling.
I had a lot of hate relationship. It's that and weed, too.
You don't know a lot about weed. You don't know a lot about weed, though.
I don't know a lot about the experience of weed. Have you ever smoked weed? I think I smoked weed when I was very drunk when I was in college once.
Okay. And that's pretty much it.
That makes sense. That's fair.
Yeah. What'd you blaze? I don't know.
I don't even know. I mean, dude, you're at a party.
Blue dream. Somebody passes you whatever.
It probably was fake. It was probably like not even marijuana.
It was like somebody's grass that he had bought off of somebody else and got ripped off. Well, dude, the K2 is big in prison.
That's like the stuff you're talking with Spice. I know.
And that fucks people. I have friends that are like.
People lose their minds. Yes.
Is that right? Yes. I think these guys, you know, they'll do anything.
Like speed balls and shit. And I have friends that are like, bro, the K2 is fucked up.
Really? You're in jail. You're in like a county jail.
You just blaze K2 and have like an absolutely satanic experience. He's like, dude, it's for real.
Like terrifying. I think I saw some videos about that.
um for some reason my youtube feed has been pushing me a lot of prison content it's good you can go down a serious rabbit hole it's all in prison tube shout out to johnny mitchell by the way the connect you should have him on your show what do you do he's a comedian he's like six seven but he does this show called the connect where he interviews he when he went to jail for as a weed dealer and um he interviews like other people who were drug dealers and then also talks about their prison experience so i actually did a show he's an interesting he actually likes politics that's why uh we talked a little bit but some of his content is really good dude it's the best he interviews like you know like high level drug kingpins yeah and he'll be like tell me about the story but then also like what was it like to be in federal prison or whatever. What a nightmare.
I just finished a book about an LSD dealer who got caught in the early 90s so he got sentenced for like 20 years. Never even got caught with acid.
He was doing Western... Yeah, exactly.
Got a conspiracy charge 20 years. And he was in jail during the race riot, like the crack laws.
Sure. And he had an altercation with a lieutenant, like one of the guards.
And he was a white guy. And when the crack riots happened, it was just black inmates having riots or doing riots.
And the lieutenant was like, he incited the riot, sent him to fucking Marion, which is like a super max. And he had to do, I think, three years in marion or he ended up only doing five years out of the 20 years right well i think everyone likes prison content because it's like what would i do exactly exactly i've thought about that too i'm like well i'm not white i'm not black not hispanic and everything's you'd be another you're another that's what it's called but how many others are there not a lot the other know, they're like, hello, doc.
You know what I mean? I think it's called others. I think your tech is like Inuit, Indian.
Inuit? Yeah. Actually, they're probably pretty good, right? They can fight.
Exactly. Pretty jacked.
They're good with grades. Your numbers are not great.
No, it's not good. So, yeah.
I think it's like, dude, I got so deep into prison shit. But it's like, yeah.
So then what would your strategy be? My strategy would be getting my parents to put money on my books, right? Yes. And then we pay the others for protection.
That's the big thing you can do. My plan was always to pay the Muslim Brotherhood.
Oh. So you can pay the Muslim Brotherhood to protect.
But then it's like, yeah, it is like racial. But I could fake it and I could just grow my beard and say that I was Muslim, right? Yeah, and you can get the Muslim diet, too.
Oh!

The halal food is better?

Yeah, people do the kosher diet. That's a big thing.

Really?

If you can prove you're Jewish, and you're allowed to switch your religion every six months or so to get a different diet. I swear to God.

I read that Ramzi Yusuf, who was the World Trade Center bomber, the 93 bomber,

he apparently stayed in his cell for like 10 years straight, because he he refused to do a strip search because he said it violated his religion but then apparently he was like okay i'm now converted to christianity well but apparently the warden and all of them don't believe him so it's set up for i don't really know what's going on but i think he has started to like he's finally left his cell after 13 years he's a christian now uh well he claims he's christian are they out his butthole? He's like, all right, I'm ready. Well, I think you have to do that thing with the squat and cough or whatever.
He refused to do it. He's like, I won't do it.
So he literally, he did not leave his cell in Supermax in ADX Florence or whatever for like 13 years. It was totally crazy.
And after 13 years, he's like, I'm being kind of stuck. I mean, it's understandable.
mean, it's understandable. It's like, you spent 13 years.
You literally have never left. You're like, okay, I'm done.
That's so impressive. I would have made 13 minutes.
And I'd be like, you know what? I'm just going to show this guy my ass. I'll get it over with.
You know, they say they sleep a lot. That was the interesting thing.
Yep, that's the big one. You can train yourself to sleep 12 hours a day.
But it's like, what do you do all day? You know, even when you're awake. Like, that just sounds terrible.
You work out, sleep a lot. In your cell? Yeah, Just right.
Yeah. The guy in the book I read about the LSD dealer, Joel Blazer, he was saying he got schooled on masturbation techniques.
Whoa. Yeah, just nothing hands-on.
He said he never was a punk. That was his term.
A punk. But he was going into it, how you use a sock and you flip it inside out, so you're hitting more of the soft area.
And then at the very end, he said you'd apply force to the under part of your head. And he's like, and it's so funny, him writing, it's like my orgasms were intense and powerful.
And it's like, damn. Yeah.
I mean, that's all he's got. Did you watch the show Escape at Dannemora? It's on Netflix.
It's really good. It was created by Ben Stiller.
And it's Benicio. It's Benicio and then the guy from There Will Be Blood, the guy who's the twins.
Paul Dano, that's his name, Paul Dano. And so those two are inmates who basically sweet talk this woman, this obese prison worker and then they both start a relationship with her and they get her to smuggle in tools and then they literally tunnel out of the prison.'s a real life story it happened in 2015 so i watched the show it was a fantastic really good acting and then i went the red the real story dude it was wild like it's it's high they're both in there for murder like one guy literally murdered a police officer the other guy like butchered and kidnapped an old man for money these are like no shit killers yeah locked up in this high security prison in uh i think it was in north new york like you know upstate new york yeah it was in the adirondacks yeah and uh yeah so they were up there and they were able to get her to smuggle in like hacksaw blades they cut their way out of their cells were able to make their way like through the pipes and everything use a sledgehammer hammer through multiple walls and then cut a hole in a drain pipe or whatever crawl through the pipe come up out on the other side call crawl through a manhole and they were on the run for like 23 days one guy almost made it to canada they shot him like 10 miles from the canadian border yeah one guy was killed the other guy made sorry spoiler alert what year was this They shot him at the...
Well, I guess, yeah. He was that high profile.
Well, they were... A trooper was like, hey, who are you? And he just like took off running.
And the other guy apparently was like a drunk. And they would find...
They would find like hunting cabins. And he would just be like, all right.
And he's just grabbing whiskey. He was like a bear.
He was like a bear. He was like a bear.
That's a good way of putting it. Which I thought about.
He's like, we need a pill. He was just walking around.
Yeah, so the other guy left him. He was like, fuck this dude.
He's like turned into a drunk. He's never going to make it.
He's not going to make anything of himself. And so then he got killed, and then the other guy actually almost made it to Canada.
Damn. Yeah.
I know. The weird part of the show is it's structured really well.
The first like six episodes,'re really rooting for the prisoners and then before you get to the uh last episode they do a flashback that shows what they did and you're like wait fuck these guys like this is terrible because you don't know what they're in there for you know they're in prison but then they're like oh he literally murdered a cop and then the other guy like kidnapped this man tried to extort money from him and fucking like butchered him and cut him up into little pieces you're like dude his parlays didn't work i'm like we gotta get this guy out of here like this is not good yo guys welcome to the advertisement portion of the podcast i'm on my motherfucking assassin's creed shit right now you guys can't even see me um i was doing this earlier to ensure audio quality because I'd fucked up the audio of the ads because I was recording through my laptop like a dumbass. And I kind of like the look now they got my phone out.
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Yeah, the prison culture shit is, like, fascinating, man. Absolutely.
I, like, almost, I'm glad I've never went. But I kind of was like, damn i kind of was like damn i kind of wish like how much weight were you moving then when you were selling marijuana decent amount like like pounds yeah whoa yeah i could have gone you actually could have gone i could have went to jail in philly it was like you could have five pounds and you wouldn't really you would like get locked up but you wouldn't do like a sentence at a certain point but that's what i've heard but like before though like in the see like the 2000s it started getting more lax more lax more lax by the end of it nobody was going to jail for weed they even like the cops would find a half pound of weed on you and just christ and just take it make the fuck out of here how does it all work though like in terms not the cost so were you selling to other dealers because you had enough yeah eventually it was like i would do both you would like you would get like, the way it would work is you'd have to like, I remember I saved all my money so hard and I eventually saved up $1,600 and I bought a half pound.
And then I got to like actually make money off of it. And then eventually I started, you just get it fronted to you.
You like find somebody that would front me like 30 pounds of weed. Yeah, that is the interesting thing I read from Johnny's podcast is like, there's a lot of consignment.
A lot of consignment. In the drug business.
And then then double consignment i would get something from it and double consign it to other people and then you have to kind of what if he doesn't pay you and then you got to pay the guy you tell him hey man i'm falling on tough times that's you that's the that's the thing it's like i you're never supposed to meet that person like the top level person because they want to keep like an air of like because they're going to tell the guy like you tell him i'm like i'm fucking murder but i met the guy really it was you know wasn't were you ever physically threatened did you ever see what i got robbed at gunpoint yeah really oh yeah what was that like what happened it was surreal it was like so i got i got i got threatened with a club one time that was embarrassing i gave in to the club just outside this guy was like i want to fucking hit you with this and i was like like what kind of club like a handmade wooden just Just a fucking like a 1920s police officer baton. He's like, but I was in West Philly, like trying to buy.
You did the right thing. Yeah.
And there was like seven guys around me. And I was like, seriously, guys, where are my Percocets? And they were like, dude, we'll fucking bash your brains in.
I was like, all right, you guys can keep the $200. You win.
You win this round. But yeah, it was that.
And then I had a guy one time he got robbed and blamed it on me. I think he took my money but he came out like we were in an apartment he was like something's got any like cocked a gun and walked towards me and i was like oh shit that time it was just like everything just goes super slow i remember as being like very slow terrified too people were like dude if someone pulled a gun on me i'd fight it's like i was frozen totally frozen yeah it's fight or flight yes exactly second time i you got robbed twice oh well that time i got like i had already i like paid this guy money to go get something and bring it to me and he's like i got robbed after you gave me the money and i was like bro it's fine i like yeah i was like it's all good man he's like nah man this is fucked up and he just fucking like cocked a gun like walked because he was like did you do it i was like how the fuck did i what are you talking about oh like you have set him up.
I was like, why would I do that? Oh, man. Whatever.
But that was the whole thing. And then the second time I was in an apartment and it was like someone had owed me a bunch of money and I was bringing them more stuff.
So I had like the money they owed me and like about four pounds of weed and he was going to give it to some other guy. And then this just dude comes up in a ski mask with the kid who was like supposedly his customer and the kid set it all up but that one i was like i remember everything slowed down again but i was able to read their faces and the kid i knew was very much afraid and the other kid i was like he's pretending to be afraid and then once the the guy with the ski mask left with all the money and stuff i was like you did you did that you beat him up i started choking him good pretty badly and then the kid i knew was like stop because i was like a blind rage yeah you're almost just you have like a gun in your face you're terrified that's horrifying i was just fucking just holding this kid's neck like i know you fucking did that and the kid's like stop and like thank god i was like okay yeah you know but i don't i don't think i wasn't violent like that though i was never that was the only time it was all it was like almost all my money that's crazy man yeah did you get out of this? What got you out of it? This podcast.
Really? I wasn't on Percocets. I was selling them.
Oh, you were selling Percocets. I'm not a vice.
I was never a vice-ridden man. Porn, obviously, is my downfall.
You were a true leech on society. I was.
Absolutely. You honestly should have gone to prison.
I'm not going to lie. I think you owe three years of your life to the state.
I think I should. Yeah.
But now, now you service through high paid podcast. Yeah, that's right.
You're doing a service. But I, I do, uh, I honestly, um, it's not like a sexy tale because yeah, usually you have the redemptive arc of like, I got caught, but I was always, I was pretty principled.
Like I, I remember like, I was like pills are evil. I didn't know anything about them.
I'm like, Oh, these are very addictive. Coke.
I was like, this stuff's no good either. But weed, there was a thing where it was like, this is good for people.
Because I was smoking so much of it. I was like, weed is good for people.
I was like, people need weed. It's good for you.
I thought it was good for me. I was obviously killing it in life.
Fighting people for Percocets. People need me more like you.
If you smoke weed, you can also end up in West Philadelphia with a club in your face. That's what marijuana will get you.
That was for pills. Okay.
That was for pills. You were high at the time.
Weed was chill. I was high forever.
There you go. I remember I tried to start a policy with every customer.
I would smoke a blunt with them, and I ended up smoking like nine blunts. And it was just completely- How do you even function? I didn't.
I wasn't functioning. Oh, so do you still smoke a lot? You said no.
No. Now it's like very- I honestly try to, um, there was a big impulsive element of it, but now I've been trying to do it where I've tried to do this for years where like, I almost like incorporated into a meditation practice, but then you get into it.
You're like, well, why do I even need that if I meditate? You know? So that was kind of like, well, so now it's like special occasions. How much better do your sleep get? So much better.
That's the thing with weed. You don't, you can even say like, well, I'm sleeping better, but your REM sleep is trashed.
Yes. Thank you.
It's true. That's what I was about to bring up.
It's totally true. There's a lot of people, there's a big psyop by the weed guys who are like, oh, if you smoke a bowl right before bed, and it's like, actually, you're nuking your REM sleep.
It's like people, you know, when you get on an airplane and people are like, just gonna have a glass of wine just to go to bed. I'm like, actually, you're getting way shitier sleep.
Yeah. It's like, you're actually not sleeping at all hear semi-conscious but nobody wants to hear this i tell people all the time it's like and the weed does fuck up your rem sleep yeah you don't dream you don't dream you don't dream and everyone knows when i stop smoking weed i have crazy dreams like that's because you're rem rebounding interesting same as alcohol oh dude it's yeah it's like i i was completely like um when i was younger because also i was making a living off it.
I'm like, Reed is awesome. This stuff rules.
Everybody needs this stuff. Everyone needs to be selling this stuff under me.
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Really, it's very... That's dark, bro.
Yes, it's very, very evil. And you're like one to inject them, too.
Yeah, I remember someone explained that to me. And I was like, someone offered for me to sell heroin.
I said, no. I said, no, thank you, sir.
That is evil. Heroin's evil.
The pills are evil, but no one knew what the fuck they were. Yeah.
I came out of a... Is Percocet the same as Oxycodone? Oxycodone, yes.
Percocet is Oxycodone mixed with a tylenol basically. Okay.
So Oxycodone and Oxycontin and Percocet are the same thing. Is it the same strength? Is that? No.
What was the whole like pill thing in the 2000s then? So that was Oxycontin, right? Or Oxycontin. It was all of them.
It was Percocets. Um, there's a bunch of them.
It's, uh, Vicodin was, uh, hydro something. Hydrocodone.
That's right. That's Vicodin.
Vicodins were less desirable. If you had Vicodins, people would be like, fine.
But Percocets, people wanted them. And then the Oxys came out, which was just like five milligram Percocet, 10 mill, you know, whatever it was.
Oxy would have been like 40. Yeah, it was like 80, right? I read a book about it and I remember i watched some documentary about the sackler fan that shit is evil dude it was of the cash programs and those pill mills and they had total knowledge that's really what led to the heroin spike all the black tar heroin and everything and these people had no idea it wasn't it wasn't just the sacklers it was every doctor in the country dude i got like i would give a sore throat from my college campus and they do on Percocets, and I'd be like, no.
Yeah. But when I was like 19 or 18, and I got my wisdom teeth out, and my friend was like, bro, I will pay you.
He's like, you'll get pills. I'll buy them off you.
And I'm like, I'll give you $200. I'm like, what? I was like, for sure.
Yes. I hate medicine.
You can have my medicine. And, dude, and it was like, I remember coming out of of my wisdom teeth in a haze but remembering like i asked them i was like what can i like what am i going to get and they were like we're just going to give you like uh ibuprofen i was like um i'm a real baby with pain is there anything else i can have like yeah we'll give you like i think it was like percocets or hydrocodone and they just gave me a full vial and that's that was the that set the whole thing off because I made $200 off of it.
And then once I went to college, I was like, I got to find more of those things. And my friend was like, yo, these things are awesome.
So I didn't do them. Interesting.
And then I watched, dude, I watched firsthand a whole, there was like this apartment complex. At a certain time I was getting, I ended up finding like, I would get like 2,500 Vicodin at a time.
And I remember my friend would bring them into this

apartment complex and they all get distributed throughout there.

And dude, I watched this whole little ecosystem

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That's when I was like, oh. And I'm like 19, 20

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No, it's bad. Yeah, the pills, man.

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I know. Then George Harrison wannabes just like fuck off.
In India they literally laugh at you. They're like yeah we'll take your money but I know.
But it is a beautiful religion. Yes it's a very and it was like for me that was it gave me a concept of God from researching it from that angle and I was like oh that kind of makes sense good yeah that's great but i like their their their relationship with pleasure from what i've read is like it's not as and correct me if it's not as like forbidden it's like yeah if you want pleasure go get it till you're tired of it or is it kind of um well it's hard to say man because you know even calling hinduism a religion obviously it is a religion but it is intrinsic to the land of india and i really convinced of that.
As in like the practice of Hinduism, like you don't go on Sunday, you just have temples everywhere. People stop on their way and off from work, like at the end of the day for special occasions, for little stuff, like you'll go and you'll ask a blessing.
It's not in the, the Abrahamic faiths require like rigid practice. And this is much more like a part of daily life.
So the religion itself doesn't say yes or no or whatever about, I don't know, pleasure, hard work, etc. It doesn't prescribe rules, but the Indian culture definitely also plays a huge part of it.
So I'm not really convinced. That's why I think Buddhism is a religion.
I think that actually is a religion, and that's one that can transpose into Western society or whatever. But Hinduism, you really got to be in India if you want to be a real Hindu, I think.
Or at least practice it in the way that it's meant to be practiced. You can try, obviously, and everybody can do their own thing, but there's a huge amount of people who are Hindus who are atheists.
They don't even believe in God. You're saying it's more of a cultural kind of practice.
It's part of the Indian culture. When you're there, it just makes sense.
That's how people practice their lives. Each village has its own deity.
There's a certain type of blessing, or they call it a puja, which is a ceremony, which is the type of puja that you would do for this milestone in your life or whatever. Whereas Abrahamic faiths is like on Sunday or on Friday we pray we pray five times a day and we do it at this time and the you know the whatever the chant of the prayer and the meat that we eat is like this where you know even amongst Hindus like 40% of Hindus are vegetarian but 60% are not so you know there's no yes and no on life or on how to live like it's just it's just very much yeah part of the culture over 8,000 9,000 years yeah that is it is such a funny stoner move though to be like dude I think I'm use two mushrooms and yoga it's like girls who are into yoga it's like shut the fuck they're like my shavasana we're like oh yeah that is that is tough when they start you start you know like four Sanskrit words and you're like my sukkah.
Yes.

Or the om tattoos. You're just like spare me.
I will say

dude I will say though from like just like a

Isn't that a Hindu deity?

It kind of looks like it. What do you got going

on over there? Yeah that is.

That's Sanskrit. That's Sanskrit down there.

I can't read it. Oh this? No.

No no no. Dude this was a shirt

I designed to try to sell as merch and it's a very low seller. Chalker.
Yeah, dude, I do think, though, there's something religiously, let's just say in the United States, it's like Christianity is, it's cool, it's getting a resurgence. I don't think so.
Statistically, no. Yeah, I guess maybe that's just the internet memes.
I think you're thinking of trad wife. If you take a look at the stats, Christianity is never...
I mean, not Christianity, religion. We have never lived in a more secular country.
Honestly, even coming back here is shocking. Like to Texas in the modern...
I mean, I literally grew up here. This was a deep Bible Belt state.
That's what I remember. And to watch it become cosmopolitan is weird, honestly.
Even when I go back to College Station, I mean, I don't know, I guess I just don't feel the same, I don't live there anymore. It's just kind of different, but it doesn't just feel the way that it did back then.
And in general, stats wise, the evangelism, Catholicism, all practicing religions and the rise of people who just call themselves spiritual. Right.
It's never been higher. Right.
And that's really, I mean, the right wing trad people are the ones who blame that for where we are. But honestly, kind of to make it political, I think that's why Trump is the first like real secular president.
Like everybody knows. He loves the Bible.
What are you talking about? He loves the Bible. Yeah, but it's like, yeah, he loves it so much that he sells a copy but you know 30 of the people who voted for trump uh are literally pro-choice like over 30 that's crazy right if you think about it in terms of the abortion election uh and all that so the mass secularization of america has made being conservative like just so though the texas i grew up and george w bush was literally my governor yeah that type of you know conservatism It is fucking gone.
Oh, yeah, for sure. For sure.
I think they're... To bring it back to my main point, I think the...
I do think there's a lot of people who have left organized religion who are going towards kind of spiritualism. But everyone has a very...
I think now it's like everyone has a very strained relationship. If people are trying to practice some form of God in their life i i do feel like researching other religions helps people kind of like conceptualize it because you're like yeah i'm not going to do this but you can read that and like yeah that kind of makes sense of course like a giant conscious and then even then i mean i i could defend what are your stances on that what religion yeah religion god god i'm not i'm not religious at all um i mean i grew around here, so I still have a very like side eye view of a lot of the Bible Belt stuff.
Yeah. But I think it's good for people.
Now that I've been removed from it for quite a long time. Yeah.
Look, there's, you know, it's like the South Park episode about Mormonism. We're like, look, this is some batshit crazy stuff.
But the truth is, like, they're living a better life than you. Yeah.
You're like, I mean, so maybe we're the crazy ones, right? Yeah. You know, they're the ones who believe in planet Kolob or whatever, but they have nine children.
They're really happy. They help each other.
The Mormon church has no debt. They make sure that you get very cheap education at BYU is if you stay in the faith, they take care of you.
They take care of each other. I grew up around a lot of Mormons.
They're some of the happiest people I know. They have like multiple children.
They settled well. They seem like they're doing really well in life.
They have a big community aspect where you always have just dozens of people who share your values, who are around, who if you're out of town, somebody can come watch your pets or if you need help with your kids or whatever. They're the winners in life, man.
That's what people need to take away. That's my question.
What I've been trying to read about and think about a lot is like what is the winners in life man like that's that's the that's what people need to take away that's that's my yeah that's my question is like that's what i'm what i've been trying to like read about and like think about a lot is like what is the grounding force for like people's lives and if it you know if it dissipates into like if there is no that's like what religion has been yes and now people are like the antidepressants like all that's people is now like you have to like back up the molecules in your brain because you're sad because your worldview is absolutely inherently kind bleak. Very well said.
And also I mean like wokeism quote unquote is a religion. Being anti-woke is also a religion.
Politics is a religion. So religion will find a way in its life whether you find religion or not.
The thing about it is what I would advocate for is that I think especially in big cities and like in elite circles there there's a real sneering at religion. But they don't look at it in the way that I just said, where it's doing quite a lot of good for people who are in the faith in the community.
So for me, I'm just like, look, you know, do whatever you want to do. And actually having lived all my entire adult life in mass secular America, we have a lot of problems, right? Like the gathering place of the secular American is the bar.
It shouldn't be. That's weird, actually.
Like waiting until you're in your mid thirties to even try to start having children. And then by that time, like, I don't know.
I just think there's a lot of choices. Yeah, they should be turning it into Christ's blood.
They should be turning it into Christ's blood. There's just choices that you make that make it all about you.
And one of the things that are really important about religion is like, actually, no, it's not about you. It's about other people.
And so by doing that and by choosing the secular elite path, you are literally pursuing something that is just all about you. It's about the pursuit of your own pleasure, about your own money, about all of this, but it will strip away any of the great things in life that will genuinely make you happy.
So if you're not religious, then you have to actually consciously seek that out. And I tell you about this, you have children now, right? It's probably harder to connect and find groups of other parents.
Whereas if you grew up in Texas in the 90s and you went to church, that's dusted, bro. You're done.
Yeah, you're done. Day one, it's sold.
Someone will be at your house when your wife gives birth. They will have food waiting in your house.
But if you don't have that type of community, that's really hard. You're stuck.
The number of people, actually, there's a really interesting American Family Studies study that shows that the number of friends, particularly among men, the number of male friends that people have has an all-time low. I think the record number is actually in the zero to one category of people who consider themselves like close friends.
And so if you think about it, like in that community aspect, people are lonelier than ever. They're having difficulty really finding a mate.
They're really having problems in terms of fostering close friendships. So they're doing what? Betting parlays on gambling.
They just want to feel something. Stimulate the brain.
They're stimulating the brain. Yeah, is sad my that's my problem is like there needs to be some sort of cohesive organizing force and most of them are negative where it's like you know again it's like fucking you know proud boys all that you like the things are and it's it's not even like you know a lot of it i think does come down to the media because it's like you know it's like you don't have to take your worldview or your life prescriptive path of the media, but it's like they are experts.
They are this. And it is looked upon as like this is an authoritative source of information.
Yeah. And it's just mean.
Like everything you see is just like he's a fuck. This guy is such a loser.
Let me tell you about this. And it's on both sides.
Yeah, absolutely. I think that's bad for people mentally.
Well, definitely. But I will give that some that's a big cope also because people blame the media.
And it's like, look, that's what you people want. Like.
At a certain point, it's true. I could be so much more successful, wealthy, and famous if I just did that.
I actually am actively giving up a lot of that. That's what I'm saying.
That's what I'm saying. No, I know, but that's a choice that I'm making.
But the truth is that that is what most people want. Most people want to fulfill their base instincts.
They want to have that dopamine rush of saying, yeah. I mean, honestly, Shane's bit about the Fox news dad.
I mean, I actually, the first time I met him, I was like, you know, that really is like one of the, probably one of the most important bits you've ever done because it's deeply true. It's in the vernacular.
Now people will say I have a Fox. It is a deeply true, like it's a bit, it's a comedy bit, but that is like an archetype and something that really does exist in American society.
No, it is. It's true.
And I would flip it and say there are also MSNBC moms out there who are just as bad on wine moms and all that. But it is a cancer on American society.
But honestly, that's what they want. Like, I was talking with Lex yesterday, and I brought up one of my favorite media quotes and it's from a book called the loudest voice in the room it's a biography of roger ailes who was the chairman of fox news and the creator and he said people want to be informed there's people don't want to people don't want to be informed they want to feel informed and i think that is like the most deeply true thing about media that i've ever read yeah no that's true i guess what I'm saying is like it's just bad.
It's like it's bad because it's like it's like you're saying, there's a financial incentive to be like a major dickhead, which when I when I first saw reality TV, I was like, this is bad. This is going this is creating a pathway.
Right. But it's being just a absolute.
It's so good. It's so good.
it's fun to watch. If you were smoking weed back then, you would have been like, what the fuck, dude?

This is so fucked up.

I remember I was just high watching reality TV.

Like, this is modeling a type of behavior that also pays off genuinely.

Narcissism.

Which taps into people's, you know, own, like, biological drives.

And I was like, this is not good.

That's what's being modeled.

That's what you're pushed unconsciously to do.

And like you were saying, like, dude, if you wanted to really double down,

any of us can do it.

Hang a couple American flags back here

and be like, let me tell you something, motherfucking.

I get so annoyed.

I'd be like, you're a grifter or whatever.

I'm like, bitch, I could make way more money.

I could grift.

Yeah, if I wanted to grift,

I would grift you, you bitch.

Yeah, yeah.

If I just sat there and be like,

look at these liberal tears

that are flowing from their faces. I'm telling you, all the channels, you put an American flag behind you, you sell your merch hat.
Especially if you're me, brown guy. I'd be like, brown guy loves Trump.
I know, I know, I know. It's so boring.
The problem is that I get bored, man. I find those people so utterly boring that I have no interest in even talking to them.
It's embarrassing. It is humiliating.
You could make a lot of money. Oh, a shit ton of money.
Absolutely. Especially if you're a black guy, it's the top of the market value.
If you're a black guy with a red hat, let me tell you something. You'll be famous overnight.
MAGA Mimaw's will be sending you five bucks a month and being like, have you seen this nice young man? Yeah. But yeah, I do hope we can somehow move to something that animates people.
Do you think people will ever be animated other than their base instincts by the masses? Or do you think there will be an actual... Gen pop? No.
Gen pop will always be the same. Always be.
Yeah, look. America, society, rise of mass media has always looked exactly the same.
People think it's worse now than it ever was. Total bullshit.
If you go back and you look at the yellow journalism era, I think it was insane. That's true.
People were slamming each other. And I mean, imagine this.
America's news in the 1800s was literally political. Like, when you would read the news, you would read the Kentucky Democrat, or you would read, like, the Kansas City Republican.
Like, your literal newspaper was the party that you supported and one of the ways that people would get interested in instigate politics is socialists and others be like we're starting a socialist newspaper because the news itself was a political vector that's crazy i didn't know that oh yeah because i was totally bought into like dude it's never been this bad absolutely not it's bullshit uh so like the thing is is that in the old days the rise of yellow journalism of the penny papers people like william randolph hearst and others uh and before him like joseph gordon bennett it was all sensationalism tabloid that's where it all comes from and that was overwhelmingly popular what happened is is that the old days that we romanticize is actually a very unique time in American history where the vast majority of Americans were getting their news from the network TV.

So in the 60s and the 70s, everybody romanticizes Walter Cronkite, all this stuff.

Let me tell you something.

The news was just as fake back then as it is today.

It's just that thank God we have the internet to be like, no, no, no, no.

It's fake and it's bullshit.

Because –

Yeah.

So book – it's a slog, but people should read it.

It's called Personal History by Katherine Graham.

She wrote a book. that thank God we have the internet to be like, no, no, no, no, it's fake and it's bullshit.
Because, so, it's a slog, but people should read it. It's called Personal History by Catherine Graham.
She ran the Washington Post. She was the owner of it.
And her father bought the paper, and then her son is the one who sold it to Jeff Bezos. But, so she ran the paper for basically her entire life.
Her husband ran it, then he committed suicide, and she took over and ran it for decades. And if you read that paper, actually, if you've ever watched the movie The Post, it's directed by Steven Spielberg with Tom Hanks, and it's about the Pentagon Papers.
Meryl Streep plays her in the movie. And it's really, like, reading that book, you're like, you know, she's getting politicking with Kennedy is at dinner, and he's, like, giving them advice on how to write in the paper, and her husband, who was the owner of The Post, is friends with JFK and he's skewing the coverage in a certain way.
So everyone has this romantic nature about the 60s and Cronkite. It's like, no, they were just as partisan as people are today, as Rachel Maddow and these people.
But America didn't know. They had much more higher institutional trust.
And cable news exploded that, obviously, after the network era. and then the rise of blogs and everything but people were really romanticized this oh the news was fair and balanced it's like no it's not that the news is what got us into vietnam you know it wasn't fair and balanced these people were writing columns and justifying all this bullshit they knew what was happening they didn't report any of it it was only in like what 1968 we finally tell everybody the truth by that time 500,000 americans are sitting in vietnam jfk we used to go and hang out and all of his secretaries mcnamara and all these guys were hanging out in georgetown which is a very rich neighborhood at their fancy ass mansions secretly telling them what they should write in their papers like dude, it's always been like as corrupt.
People just didn't know it. I feel like Trump did kind of crack the, he like part of the veil to be like, yo, this is actually, a lot of this is bullshit.
The roots of Trump are in, there's a famous clip, 2012, Newt Gingrich was the Republican debate, South Carolina debate. And the opening question, even I will admit it's a crazy question.
They were like, Mr. Gingrich, you're – he like – I don't know the circumstances.
He's not his third wife, and he like divorced his wife. I think she was going through cancer or something like that.
It was terrible. Cancer divorce is rough.
And it was the second time that he'd done something like that. Anyway, so that was the opening question.
And Gingrich is like, let me tell you something. That was one of the most disgusting acts.
And the mainstream media is a direct participant, something like that, in the Democratic Party. And the pop, as you would say, from the audience roars.
Like you can hear it on the microphone. And all of that.
And I watched that clip because all the ingredients for Trump were there the whole time. It's just like, you have to go and look for it.
Like Michelle Bachman. He was the first one that tapped into that.
Well, he was the first one who attacked his media on the stage and flipped the debate and made it about them. And it was a referendum.
It was like, no, fuck you, actually. Whoa.
And you could see John King is kind of taken aback because he's never experienced this before. And now it's the norm in Republican politics.
People expect it. At that time, it was crazy.
It was shocking. But, yeah, I mean, I watch that clip a lot because I'm like, that's it.
That's where Donald Trump, 2015, the famous debate, you know, and Megyn Kelly's like, Mr. Trump, you've called women pigs, you know.
He's like, only Rosie O'Donnell. And it was just, it's just.
Everyone. Yeah.
The crowd just roars, man. And.
And it's like, that was it. That's the moment that he won, in my opinion, in the 2015 primary.
Broke politics forever. But the ingredients were there.
They were all there. It's funny that he was like...
That was like one of the first dominoes that toppled the mainstream media, and he was just trying to get a fourth wife. He was just trying to get something new.
He was like, bro, nothing me yeah not the entire mainstream media no i think what it is is in all of this is that the base has always hated the media it's just that the the politicians they need the media i mean this is another like fakery out of all of this is that the idea that the republicans hate the media like nobody craves media attention more than republicans for Specifically mainstream media. There are some good ones out there who actually understand that the news is bad and, like, don't want to give them access.
But in reality, like, as much as they say they hate it, like, they want to be on CNN, bro. They like it.
You know, they want to go on Fox. For sure.
They want, they don't, I don't know. Wait, so, speaking of the politician stuff, what is, so Matt Gaetz, that's something I can't, like, wrap my head around.
He got appointed. That's his name.
Attorney General. Attorney General.
Yeah. He's nominated to be the Attorney General.
And the big thing about him is that he might have trafficked kids. Stop, man.
That's a weird one. The details are very strange.
And to be fair, the DOJ did drop their case against him. Exactly.
So they investigated it, and they leaked a lot of the details. So he was never convicted or even prosecuted of any of this.
And there genuinely was some weird – I'd have to go back and look at the details, but somebody was trying to blackmail him for like $25 million, and that's how some of this stuff came out. But empirically, he was definitely hooking up with very young girls and hanging out with sketchy people and getting blackout drunk all while he was a congressman.
So the detail, as I understand it, 2021 to now, there's been a three-year investigation in the House Ethics Committee about Gates and his behavior from that was instigated by an attorney who filed a complaint claiming to represent an underage girl who says that she slept with Matt Gates whenever she was underage. Now, obviously, though, she may claim that.
But as I understand it, the feds did investigate at least some of these claims. And of course, they haven't brought charges.
So the report itself was due to be released, I think tomorrow, actually, when from the day that we are taping. And that report now will not be released because what happened is, is that Gaetz got nominated to be the attorney general.
He resigned as a House of Representatives. So the House Ethics Committee, two days later of his nomination, was supposed to release that.
But they will no longer release the report because he's no longer a sitting member of Congress, considering his resignation. So there's some background.
That's kind of sketchy, yeah. Look, I mean, his behavior has also made it a little weird in terms of, first of all, just what he admitted to is wild.
Also, why would he be appointed, though? It almost seems like he'd have perhaps dirt on DJT. I don't know.
You know what I mean? No, no. I don't think it's a dirt thing.
Dude, Gates is just one of his biggest. He's one of his bros.
No, not bros. He's one of his biggest defenders on television.
He's one of those people who, like, anything goes, like, he's all in. I mean, look.
It seems tactical, I'm saying. They're like to abandon Congress, have a higher job right two days before potentially the shoe drop you could read that into that if you want that's what i mean but at the same time like why would trump go along with that scheme then right like because for this trump would have to be like okay matt i'll bail you out but that's what i'm saying that's hence the dirt i don't know i'm i'm just wildly speculating i'm trying to figure out why appoint somebody with such a sketchy record think that the case is simple.
Because he was your outspoken. Gates is a true believer.
That's what it is. He's been all in for Trump for eight years.
He was his biggest defender on television. Trump loves him.
He always goes on Fox. And Matt Gates is always like, I'm all in for Trump.
To be fair, Gates is an interesting guy. Like, from my perspective, he has generally been anti-war.
Like, he's been sponsored a lot of stuff with progressive democrats about trying to end forever wars he's somebody who wanted to pardon um edward snowden he opposed the julian assange stuff you'll like this he's very pro-weed he's one of the most pro-marijuana members of congress i don't care i like mushrooms okay but uh well we're coming for that next um but uh he had uh he yeah he's he's actually quite libertarian is the way okay he's pro bitcoin you know he's been a heterodox guy for a while so i'm actually i'm not that you know worried about people hate matt gates because you know i mean look he's he's kind of an asshole like media wise for sure he's got a reputation about town and he likes to come in and he blow like he likes to mouth off can we put it that way yeah for sure He's got a bat. Like, the Republicans likes to come in.
He likes to mouth off. Can we put it that way? Yeah, for sure.
The Republicans hate him because he's the one who mounted that coup against Kevin McCarthy and got Kevin McCarthy kicked out. So a lot of the establishment types hate him.
But Trump loves him because he's loyal, and he wants him to root out a lot of the people who are in the Department of Justice who he would see as deep state or enemies or whatever. or whatever.
And I honestly think Gates would do that. But I mean, it is crazy because AG is like a real dude, you're the chief law, like legal officer of the United States.
Like you have to determine the legality of president's actions. You direct the Department of Justice and the FBI, like what type of cases we're going to prosecute or not.
Like you make the call on some like really big decisions. Like you have to write the legal justification sometimes for what the president is doing, work with the white house counsel's office.
I mean, it is a real no shit job. Like it's a real job.
Um, and, uh, yeah. I'm glad you said that.
Cause I had, that was my next I had to go look it up. I had to go look it up.
Cause I was like, yo, does he have a law degree? But he does. Yeah.
But I was like, i don't know if he's a lawyer you know that's fucking wild so it is about we're about to enter like you know what's the senate and the house are republican now they'll get two supreme court picks most likely uh yeah alito and clarence thomas yeah they'll probably resign although sonia sotomayor one of the democrats she's 70 uh but she does have type 1 diabetes and uh Democrats have tried to get her to resign because they're like, hey, you need to go so that Biden can appoint somebody. But she pulled an RBG and she's like, I'm not going anywhere.
Whoa. Yeah.
Damn, because they wanted one. Yeah.
Can you believe that she did that? These people are such narcissists. Yeah, I can totally believe that she did that.
She still believes in power and not even being part. I mean, look, I don't really care, but it's more from a liberal perspective.
It's like if you think this is fascism and the end of democracy, I'm like, bitch, then resign. What are you doing? You're literally type 1 diabetic, 7 years old, and you're obese.
What do you think is going to happen? Look at a fucking actuarial table. Dude, it is sad, though, if you think about even what happened to Biden.
It's like being that old and being driven by kind of like the power drive until like your brain just falls apart it's pretty fucking terrible i mean i say it's sad but it's also like pathetic and deeply egomaniacal and narcissistic and that at the end of the day you know that's what it takes to be a politician like that's the truth is uh he by the way has been the same his entire life so i talked about this book yesterday with friedman called what it takes is written in 1988 it's about the 1988 presidential campaign that's where biden had that plagiarism scandal he's been an egomaniacal narcissist chip on his shoulder guy for his entire life so you know what they say about when you get old is it just makes you more of what you already are like you're just more you're just if you're already an arrogant fuck like you're just going to be more of an arrogant fuck when you're old like that's so I'm not sure if you're not sure if you're not sure if you're not sure if you're not sure if you're not sure if you're not sure if you're not sure if Oh, God. walking around demented, like trying to lead the country.
Yeah, I mean, at the end of the day, that's like genuinely like self-idolatry. He's like, I am the one.
I will stop Donald Trump. I'm the most important figure.
Nothing is bigger than me. I, you know, it's pure narcissism.
And he's chiefly responsible for both for being a terrible president, but also for the loss of the Democratic Party. It really, I mean, it's crazy.
If I were them, I would be freaking out. I would be so furious.

I mean, nobody has fucked their party more than Biden since George W. Bush and his handling of the Iraq war.

Yeah, for sure.

What do you think the future of the Democratic Party is going to look?

Because I thought the same thing.

Like, dude, if they don't like—I think they're going to need an outsider.

They're going to need a Democrat Trump. Yeah, that was my prediction.

Not necessarily a Democratic Trump, but if we're in an era— So, for example, like Obama like rose from the ashes, right? Because, you know, he was a no name senator. He gave it a great speech.
No for big fucking deal. OK.
Yeah. But then he came out of nowhere.
He had anti-war credentials. And Harry Reid is actually the one who was like, you should run for president.
He's like, you're not a good senator. He's like, you don't like it here.
He's like, get out of here. Go run for president.
He's the first person who put that in Obama's mind. But with the rest of them, like we look in the past, Bill Clinton also came out of nowhere in 92.
We had 12 years of Republican rule. Yeah.
1980. Was it Reagan and Bush? It was Reagan and it was Bush.
And Clinton, I mean, he was a no-name governor from Arkansas, but he created this thing, the Democratic Leadership Committee, which basically moved the Democratic Party much more to the right and made it more of a neoliberal thing. And that's how he was able to win a major victory in 1992.
So somebody will come. I think that person needs to come from the ashes, though.
I think anybody tainted by the stain of like wokeism from the 2010s and the great awokening onward on top of like the biden and all the trans shit and all this plus you know just this whole last decade has been a nightmare right collapsed in on itself and it collapsed in on itself so anybody really tainted by that at the national political level they're gonna have a tough time in my opinion that's why, even though I think Gavin Newsom is very talented, and I think that Josh Shapiro, Gretchen Whitmer, Pete Buttigieg, and all these other people, I think that they, you know, they like to believe that they could overcome it. And maybe, right? Like, Trump could fuck everything up, and he could be a nightmare, right? In terms of his popularity, and it'd be easy to beat him.
Anybody could. But if he doesn't, and if he governs even reasonably well, 40, 50 you're gonna need somebody with like real political entrepreneurship and skills to be able to rise out of that yeah and they have they kind of the republican side has a kind of like a i feel like a deeper roster they could people they could tap that are also like you know like like rfk he's he can like talk he's not like like a total robot he's not a republican right so he's uh whatever he's an independent.
He's endorsed Trump. Yes, although I don't think RFK will ever run again.
I don't think he will. I don't think he will, but I'm saying they seem to have like a Tulsi Gabbard.
They have like a deeper roster of people. Maybe that's just me because I'm biased, but it's like- Maybe.
I don't know if anyone, like you're saying, like these like Newsom, Buttigieg is like, I really think they need a new person entirely. Absolutely.
You need somebody who is totally untainted by the system. And that's what Obama was.
That's what Bill Clinton was. I mean, the appetite for, although I will say the thing is about the Democratic base is now it's rich white people.
And the thing is about rich white people is they don't really give a shit about a lot of stuff. They just want to win.
Like, I'm serious. Like, they are just like, we want to win.
They're like, oh oh you need to say what okay whatever you know like say it just win so it is a little different this time because this time around as whatever narrative they're sold about what will beat trump that's who they're going to nominate yeah that's why they that's why they nominated biden they didn't care what he stood for they were like we need somebody we need trump out of here yeah you know that's what it's going to be like bring out the dancing black ladies black ladies. They threw everything.
They were like, Beyonce, Cardi B. Were you as shocked as I was that they get paid? I had no idea.
I knew they got paid. I had no idea.
I was so naive. I thought celebrities just did it because they supported them.
They didn't get paid, it's because they're at the ditty parties. You better show my W2.
It's just so weird to be like... A million dollars to Oprah? A million dollars.
A million bucks, dude. She's a billionaire.
What the fuck do you need a million dollars for? What are we doing? I mean, it's a nice little treat. Yeah, sure, but...
Don't you already support Kamala? Like, just do it, you know? And that's the thing is, I don't think they're getting paid to say something that they don't already believe, but if you already believe it, just do it for free. Why would you...
I don't think they believe it. You can't...
Maybe you're you can't get like there's no way there's no like what you know again it's like republicans i'm not like a big republican guy but i really like zoom in on like the liberal democrat like the modern liberal democrat type it's like i don't really see a coherent vision at all it's it's all it's too bought in on the the post-modernism which is in itself is self-contradictory and goes nowhere. Definitely.
So that's kind of what happened to them. It was their, like, Trump was the right energizer battery pack.
Theirs was like the postmodern racial power versus, you know, worldview. Yeah, it's very odd.
And it just literally collapses in on itself and it contradicts itself. Like, you know, there's no hierarchies.
It's like, well, who do you prefer, Trump or Biden? Well a high there are all that bullshit but it's like they all they're gonna have if i were a democrat like leading the campaign outsider candidate and i would come by and be like if you're a trump supporter i still love you man that's all they have that's all they have to do yeah i mean they made the whole dictator fascist playbook that they ran this time that was very stupid you know yeah they did so i don't know how they're gonna do it man i i really don't uh i have confidence that they will figure it out just because people are too triumphalist as in i know i was talking about the 2008 obama wins right they're like we will never lose an election again james carville literally wrote a book called 40 more years yeah about how the democrats will be in power forever demographics. It's over.
It's a white party. And now Donald Trump has won two out of the last three presidential elections.
The last one, he won the popular vote and he won Latino men. He basically completed a racial realignment of the U.S.
politics. Imagine going back to 2008 and telling me that.
That was only 16 years ago, man. It wasn't that long ago.
And Obama lost his juice. They trotted him out to be like go yell at young black guys right like dude it just is like that's you sneering just like that's the i i i have obama derangement syndrome like i hate obama and like not for the reasons that like white boomers hate him like he's destroying this country i was working construction when he got elected and it was a somber day for like just white, yeah, like boomer age white guys.
They'd come into work and be like, they were just mad he was a black guy. That was it.
They came in and they were going it was so, it was kind of funny. But I do agree.
I think there's something very sinister about wrapping yourself in that like cultural identity. I call him the Instagram president.
He's this fucking, you know, he's just this cultural elite. He's everything that he supposedly stood against.
And the way that he governed, you know, he came and he was supposed to end the Iraq war and the financial crisis he was supposed to solve. He fucked both of those up.
We had a horrible economic depression for the entire period. I mean, look, if you want to look at the wealth inequality, the explosion, the lack of wage growth that all happened under Obama, he got lucky that Mitt Romney ran against him.
All the ingredients to be able to beat him were there. Romney just ran a terrible campaign.
And then immigration in 2014, he overinterprets his mandate. And he's like, you know what? Fuck this.
I'm going to do whatever I want on immigration. And he goes all in and he does DACA.
And honestly, that is responsible for Donald Trump because what he did is he both polarized the liberal base on the issue of immigration, which was amnesty first, maybe border security sometime in the future. But he also energized the Republicans who were like, oh my God, when they have power, they're going to mass legalize literally millions of illegal immigrants.
And that leads to the 2014, that 2014 executive order leads directly. One year later, Trump comes down the escalator and says, no, we're going to build a wall and Mexico is going to pay for it.
So there are direct consequences for these actions. And immigration is the number one reason, in my opinion, why Donald Trump was elected.
Like there's no question. What do you think about the population collapse that's going to come when all like the boomers go you don't think you don't think we're going to have to be just importing people uh no i mean i think that's a very convenient explanation um i mean look at a certain point too uh if the numbers dip how is it how is it not real no what i'm saying is that the idea that first of all that we're gonna have population collapse and we're like, Japan is just not true.
But the second is there's this presumption that the only way to do it is to import basically second-class citizens from South America. Did you ever read The Next Hundred Years by George Friedman? I have not read that book.
I think I'm familiar with the thesis. That's his big thing.
I mean, this is a very popular way that people justify mass migration. First all, like there's another way, which is you could try both economic and social incentives to change the picture.
But the other thing is there's something like really sick about this idea that the only way to like the birth rate itself is the only thing that matters and not like what the actual makeup of the United States is. And all the secondary and the third – the secondary tertiary effects of what mass illegal immigration like does to the US economy, to US society.
It makes a mockery of like US law. And like the entire way our immigration system works is just totally fucked up.
Like people don't understand. Like our immigration system is totally unique in the Western world.
The entire rest of the Western world has basically merit-based immigration. We are the only country still left on family-based chain migration.
So what that means is that – so I'm a U.S. citizen, right? And so – because I was born here.
I was born here in Bryan, Texas. But the way it would have worked is my parents who emigrated here, their family members have a preference in the U.S.
immigration system if they were able to sponsor someone to come to America. It doesn't matter whether those family members are, are they college educated? Like, who are these people, right? Like, do you have a degree? Like, what's your job? Like, are you able to support yourself? That makes sense.
If you market to Australia, they're like, they have a points-based immigration system. So they're like, a college degree, cool.
Oh, you speak English? Much higher up at the list, right? That's how it should work. It should be merit merit-based.
It should be based upon are you going to benefit America? Now, people get very squirrely about this because it is contrary to the way that what I talked about earlier, the 1800s mass immigration. Yeah, that was my mom's dad.
I can't remember. Oh, no, it was the 1900s.
Right. But here's a good quote that I heard.
We don't make immigration policy for our grandparents. We do it for our grandchildren.
For sure. So in the 1800s, we had what? Industrial revolution.
We needed a shit ton of basically just like bodies, dumb asses, shovel. Oh, you can swing a shovel? Cool.
You're fucking Slovenian. Who cares? Whatever.
But that's not how the US economy works. The US economy is a service-based economy.
Our manufacturing jobs are high-tech manufacturing. You need to be able to speak English to function in America.
12 million people illegally entered this country in the last four years. 27% of them don't have a high school diploma in Spanish, by the way, so they're barely literate in Spanish.
20-something percent of them have barely completed a high school education by Latin American standards or wherever they came from. And then only a small portion are actually college educated.
So look, be real. Look at the stats.
What is that going to cost the United States? Are they bad people? Absolutely not. But it makes a mockery of this idea of, first of all, just order, like in terms of being able to just come here, no matter who you are, you just raise your hand and fake say, I fear for my life.
You're an economic migrant. Let's all be honest.
And if you interview these people, they'll tell you the same. They're like, I came in for a job.
I don't begrudge you. That's fine.
But the point is, is that you can't allow that system to be in place where basically the cost of the bill of all this is going to come down to us. So we need to dramatically shift to an actual merit-based immigration system.
That's number one. But two, what we really need to do is also consider after that period of massive immigration, of European migration, we had social chaos in this country.
We actually were becoming like ethnic. There was a whole war over this.
Teddy Roosevelt gave a famous speech, there is no hype. We are done with hyphenated America.
And hyphenated me like, know like i'm a slovenian american he was like no we're all americans we need to be done with hyphenation and that led to a complete shutdown basically of u.s immigration from the 1920s up until the immigration naturalization act of 1965 that immigration moratorium actually allowed for assimilation where the term white became popular because it's like as you know if you read a book it ask white protestants were irish people white in 1920 absolutely not okay like like lithuanian they're like you're lithuanian you're not white okay that was bad just so we're all aware that was bad yeah um and so the change in that we need to go through that again like we need to completely change the way that we've our foreign-born population has never been as high uh than previous from the 19 i think in the late 1900s right around when we had the same immigration moratorium we're signing up for the same levels of problems where our heterogeneous population is just way too removed from each other we don't have a common civic understanding or any of this and the truth is is that if you just keep importing one million people per year per year and then the vast majority of them are illegal no disorderly disorderly process like dude this just breaks the civic foundation of the country like it's just not going to work and i say this to somebody's parents came from india like but that's my point is i'm here now i'm a citizen like i have to care about my children my grandchildren what country are they gonna grow up in yeah and it's also it's like so it is kind of a bullshit thing to be like well since your you know parents came you have to decide it's like i can change my fucking mind exactly by the way they left the third world so i could live in the first world and i can make up my own mind it's amazing yeah the best part of coming to america and to the west anybody who is from uh like a western a non-Western country will know this. In non-Western countries, you're kind of like told what to do.
There's a path and there's a rigid class system. And there's like, this is how we live our lives.
That's the best part about coming here, man. You can do whatever you want.
You can say whatever you want. The social mobility here is better than anywhere else in the entire world.
and that's that was the problem i went to school for uh social work like when i went to i got my graduate degree in social work and uh and you were like if you brought up social mobility the teachers would feel like be like that's a myth no no it's not no it's not i was really big that's no it's not they're like that's a myth does wealth give you privilege absolutely but uh actually I think I read that people who are born in the upper quintile, if you look at the across generations, after like three generations, their kids are usually back down. Shirt sleeves to shirt sleeves.
Yeah, shirt sleeves to shirt sleeves. Yeah, exactly.
It does have money. Extreme money has a degenerative effect.
Oh, absolutely. It's like, it's obviously, it's incredible, you know, bounty to be born in a ton of money.
But dude, it like kind of warps people big time. One of my favorite books is the fall of the house of Vanderbilt.
And it's exactly about this. And it's basically, uh, I think a hundred years after Cornelius Vanderbilt died, his generations, uh, not a single one of them was a millionaire, not one.
And the first Vanderbilt after Cornelius Vanderbilt to make anything of himself was one of the only Vanderbilts not to be born with money. His name is Anderson Cooper.
What? He is the first Vanderbilt member of the Vanderbilt family to not be born with money. The first one who was broke who made anything out of himself.
What the fuck? Yes. Yeah, that's it.
Anderson Cooper is the first successful Vanderbilt in like 200 years. Since Cornelius.
Since Cornelius the Commodore. Commodore.
I've heard he's a Vanderbilt, but it's always like he's a CIA. Yeah, his mother was Gloria Vanderbilt.
Yeah. And yeah, I mean, if you read their stories, the money just destroyed them.
It destroyed their family. Yeah.
All of them just became like degenerate dilettantes who became, you know, I mean, they were addicted to alcohol and drugs and they would blow it on these gigantic houses. And, uh, you know, they got caught up in the British rat race and they, they all became dollar princess.
I love the term dollar princess. A dollar princess is in the 1800s, American industrialists were filthy rich.
And the way to have social mobility is they were like, we need to get our daughters married to English lords, but the English lords were broke. And so they were like, oh, we'll marry your kids.
So Winston Churchill's mother, she was a dollar princess, Jenny Churchill. Um, and, uh, they hit the Duke of Marlborough.
I forget exactly what his name is. It was another Churchill.
I think it's Randolph Churchill. He married one of Cornelius Vanderbilt's, I think he had a granddaughter, a great granddaughter, same thing.
He bailed him out. So could rebuild his house.
After they got married, he was like, by the way, I don't give a shit about you at all. He's like, I literally don't care.
I married you for your money. He's like, I'm just going to go do whatever I want to do.
I'm just going to go live my life. No, it's horrible.
It's horrible. Her life was a nightmare, unfortunately for her.
It's also very rigid. I know if you have generational generational wealth it's like you're you have to you can get cut out of the will then you're fucked yes there's stuff like there's all that and then you know you have that house the biltmore down in uh in north carolina the largest house literally ever built in the united states it was built by a vanderbilt um you know it's just you read about them like this guy would have like seven marriages in the course of his life dude i I did work in Arlen Specter's estate.
He was dead. And it was, I think, one of the...
The senator from Pennsylvania? Yes. I painted his house.
Really? Me and my friend helped paint his house. Did you ever ask him about JFK? Huh? About JFK.
They were dead. He was dead.
I should have asked him, but that's why I think he got a nice little estate. But, dude, it was just like his surviving family members.
And it was real real, like, sad, man. Like, we were in there, like, using oil primer.
And the lady came in was just like, this smells like, yeah, we had it. Yeah, it's fucking right.
Oil paint. You're like, well, I have a party coming in.
We're like, you should. OK, dude, she started spraying just walking around as if you were like an inanimate.
She would just spray perfume in the room. And if you were standing there, she would just go like right in your face.
My mom, my mom was a maid for the DuPonts. And she said it was the same thing.
She was a maid at the house of the guy who was like a, it became like a psycho killer wrestler guy. She was down there.
And she said it was like, she was like, I remember being like, it was a very sad, it was just like a sad vibe in the house. I mean, after 100 years, basically destroy them all.

And it is very sad because most of them, that burden of, and it's not just them.

I read another book about the Aster family.

I mean, John Jacob Aster was like one of the first like real millionaires in the United States.

He was a slumlord in Manhattan.

He was like this Dutch slumlord.

He was like, hey, how many of you immigrants can I charge $20 today?

And, you know, in his family, like, they become these titans of society and all of that. And one of his great-grandson, I think, died on Titanic.
He was the one – he was the richest man on the Titanic, and he died on Titanic. His 19-year-old wife, who had just impregnated, she got off.
She had a baby. He became the Titanic baby.
um and because yeah because he was literally in his mother's womb uh whenever she was uh she was saved off of the titanic but basically after him and he was by the way ended up being like some degenerate playboy you know so it's like it didn't really live up to it that is the funny thing you can achieve it is very funny though to be like you can achieve at the highest level just so your grandson can just like crash a boat while he's like coked up right yeah i mean one day it happens all up on a river rockefellers you know john john d rock he was kind of a psycho actually yeah his his son actually was relatively successful he seemed like a good guy his grand his son's uh nelson rockefeller he the vice presidential nominee for the republicans governor of new york but after that you know things start to drift off and now we're in the you know the fifth and sixth generation you're like oh yeah the kennedy family dude you know it's like the longer you go down the kennedy family you're like is there anybody impressive in the i saw jfk's grandson going around the dnc when i was there like filming tiktoks and stuff and i was like bro oh that's that's the kiss of death john f kennedy's grandson. I know.
I want to shake him. I'm like, live up to your goddamn father.
Your grandfather. That's got to be a crazy family to be a part of.
Oh, yeah. I just want to be like, if your great grandfather, the patriarch could see you, he'd be sick.
He was like looking around. Just fucking.
Yeah, he's like taking selfies. He'd be like, hey, guys.
I was like, you suck, dude. This is Lady Gaga.
Yeah, I was like, dude, this guy blows.

He's a dandy.

It is.

It is absolute dandy behavior.

Yeah.

It just does suck because it's like you want to do well,

but it's like if you kind of like, you know, if you just try to go for the absolute top.

Yeah.

It does.

Like, without a vision of some sort,

you just end up just kind of like.

I think that anybody who comes into even like a modest amount of money like you probably need to do some serious thinking you do really need to be like okay like what is my life gonna look like look children this is why people need to sell a lot of weed when they're 20 i did this i had the hero's journey i came into like i would make like four thousand dollars a week and just be like shit dude i was killing it well four thousand times i lost all i lost all of it four thousand times 52 is how much that's 200 something thousand dollars like a 25 year old dude and i got to like i got that's all cat you're not even paying taxes yeah i pay taxes no you get the ego inflation and then like i got by the rug swept out out from under me so that was one of the best experiences of my life to lose all to get like the ego pump and then to have it just ripped away from you. Because otherwise, yeah, dude, if like if you if you catch that, like it gives you the thing like when things are going well, I have an understanding like, yeah, you're a boss.
They can definitely not go well very quickly. Oh, absolutely.
Also, I would just say I've met a lot of people who are like super wealthy and all of them are pretty weird like every person i know every person i've ever met with a hundred million more net worth i'm like dude you're a weirdo well you can't connect with anybody you can't talk about like if you even broach certain subjects right 80 of people are going to be like you want to know funny i was talking to a guy and i was like yeah you know when you're in an airport and he's like oh i haven't been in an airport in 20 years and i was like whoa i was like oh because you fly private i was like i've never even been on a private plane i was like that's a crazy that was it was just so casual he's like i haven't been in an airport in 20 years i know i was like whoa okay what a life yeah like what does that even look like yeah dude i i was talking to somebody one time excited about like flying first class and he was like dude my kids have never not flown private and i was like i didn't even think about that i was like fuck yeah but that that probably really fucks them up and what are they going to do then whenever they have to fly economy either they'll be stoked oh here's the thing i remember i grew up in like a upper middle class suburb so like i moved to west philly and i was in the hood and i was like this is so cool and then like so maybe they'll just be on an airplane be like wow yeah but i mean you know sometimes you're uh what is it like c on southwest and you're like trying to go for the middle seat or whatever you're like my life sucks yeah true that's that's and i'm talking about plane and now i'm talking about you know this you're northeast guy megabus like when you're taking like a midnight megabus to new york city yeah the cheapest one and you're like well i'll take a bag and uh when i get, like change in a bathroom. Dude, Megabus was nice.
We did the, there was a Chinatown bus. Oh, the Chinatown.
I know the Chinatown bus. I know what that was.
Just a pregnant lady driving it. You're like, what the fuck? But dude, yeah.
Stomach's up against the steering wheel. Yeah, for real, dude.
There was real pregnant lady driving it before. People, drug addicts are like freaking out in the back.
And someone's like, hey, can keep it down back there shut your goddamn mouth yeah that is true it is it does kind of set the bar too high and then it's like you all you can ever do is be disappointed in life or you know like again i did eventually become very disillusioned with life in the hood i was like this is sad this is so sad it's so dude it's for real so sad yeah because it's the systems are like designed to just keep everybody down and i mean look they have individual responsibility for sure but like also the the way the entire thing is designed it's like they keep it contained nobody cares everyone just wants to pretend like it's over there and it's dude it's real like it's like uh i remember me i i bought a house in west philly with my brother when I was like 21. The house was $27,000.
I lived in there. It was pretty fucking awesome.
Did you hang on to it? Did you sell it? We sold it and then it got knocked down to me. It had a tree growing through the basement.
It was bad. I remember going into my neighbor's house.
It's funny because when you live there, like, you know, when you grow up. I grew up with my parents watching Fox News.
It's just the news being like, black guys are up to no good again. So you get this skewed picture.
And then you meet the individuals. And you're like, damn, these are some of the nicest people.
Then obviously there's people doing monstrous behavior. But I remember the first time I walked into somebody's, my neighbor's house, it's visually j jarring because it's like everything's just fucked up.
Like every there's no symmetry that everything's built fucked up. And it's like I remember like being, you know, there's just like bugs and just being like, fuck, dude.
That's it was like just crazy. I know.
But then it's like that's why you have to do good. It's like the brutal reality behind all of like the, you know, let's save everyone political messaging.
It's like, dude, nobody, you have to bail yourself out at the end of the day. You just have to.
It's sad. It's not fair.
Yeah, I look at it two ways. As in, we have to, of course, like design and move systems to create like a quality of opportunity.
But you also have to have a responsibility given the circumstances. For example, like, I don't know, any money, anything.
Anything that you're working with, I'll often be like, what a bullshit. For example, and you guys probably have this too.
I, you know, Crystal and I co-own our shows. We're small business owners too.
And we have to deal with all the small bits. And all of the paperwork and all the fucking accounting and all the shit behind it is mind-numbing.
It's stupid. It makes no sense.
It's genuinely not fair because these major corporations and all these other people get all of these crazy tax breaks. And we're sitting here trying to figure this stuff out and it sucks all of our time and it's super stressful.
And I could just be like, oh, it's not fair. And it's actually not fair.
The people who are small business owners, you get fucked. Like that's the real, but you just have to do it.
Right. So I'm like, okay, I'm just going to sit here and I'm going to spend 10 hours of my goddamn time learning the ins and outs of all of this to make sure I'm not getting ripped off when my accountant says this Why don't you just pay an account? Oh, you double check the account.
Dude, you got to double check, man. Yeah, sure, sure.
I'm like you, you know, Patreon and all this. I want to be a good steward of other people's money.
Like, I don't mean pissing people's money away. That makes sense.
It's not nice. You can't do that to people.
That makes sense, yeah. I mean, it's a serious responsibility when you're like, hey, pay me $10 a month.
Like, it's not a fucking joke, dude. You're like, actually, you have to be a steward of that money, for real.
Well, hold on, man. People want to give their money, man.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But no, I agree.
I agree. You got to give them something.
You got to do something. You can't just piss it away.
You're working for them, and you can't just, you know, and it's also money. It's like, look, I grew up Indian, so, you know, we're fun.
Money, it means something means something you know you're taught from a very young age and i don't care how much money you have like a hundred dollars will always be a hundred dollars to me i know exactly what that buys i know what it means and what it does and like it's still what's funny because it's in where i'm from in gardener valley pennsylvania there had there's been like a massive influx of the indian population all everyone i know like people like landscaping companies they're like bro they're like just haggling on the fucking lawn right there and they're he's like their lawns are this fucking high yeah they're like i'm not paying it's like my cousin's like bro they haggled me to fucking death it's really funny yeah fuck him but yeah yeah yeah yeah that's what he gets yeah but dude it is uh yeah it is like it's one of those things i feel like india it's like they were out of the race conversation for a long time. Of course we are, yeah.
We're the inconvenient minority. Yeah.
Asians in general are completely invisibilized by U.S. racial discourse.
Big time. I mean, look.
But you guys are killing it, dude. Yeah, we're the richest people in America.
It's awesome. Yeah, I think it's cool.
I mean, I'll say this. It's not really fair because Indians in America are so-called the twice-selected elite.
Why do they say that? Because India's a billion people. But the caste system where Brahmins, which is the top caste, those people, oh yeah, so you do know.
Brahmins, 40%, I think it's only like 1% or 2% of India. My math could be wrong yeah but uh you know 40 so one or two percent of india but 40 of indian americans are brahmin so that means 40 of the people here are part of the top one to two percent already of the indian caste system really yeah because of doctors engineers lawyers people who are highly educated so part of brahmin culture that's where i come from too by the way okay um but no but i'm saying our family has generations of revering like education family we don't drink alcohol we're like this is how we live our life like our our life is about family it's about furthering the next generation individualism really is a concept is like not part of that and that's actually why i think it it meshes really well with America is America will drag you to individualism.
America will drag you to a little bit of consumerism, a little bit of like, you can be whoever you want to be. But the backstop that you have is like, no, no, no, no, no, this is not what we do.
Like money, we don't spend it on stupid shit. When we have money, we spend it on books, on education.
So my upbringing was like, the budget is limitless for anything educational the budget is like zero for anything stupid for fucking around and i no offense white people but i have noticed you have proclivities for new cars and for nice check my ride bro and uh no and nice kitchens and you know you'll be and so i'll be like so your kids got 25 000 in debt and you've got a new fucking kitchen interesting um in our culture that shit does not fly yeah but that's why i would say indians are very successful in america because it's like we're we're both obviously highly educated that's number one but two i really think the culture is a huge aspect of it isn't the way that you revere money you think about family there will there are no indian parents out there who have the money who are not paying for their child's college education it's just it would never happen and in white families there's this weird uh hyper into the like they got a this like boomer mentality but they've got to figure it out because back in my day i'm like well have you looked at inflation like what the fuck i know i know and you know like well they'll get it when i I'm like, yeah, but it's actually way more useful to help your child out when you're there.

18,

19 to 25.

Those are the foundational years of your life.

So that was,

it's a mindset difference.

That was one.

No,

no,

dude,

I appreciate you saying that.

That was the one thing my parents were actually really good about is like,

don't go into debt.

If you ever avoided at all costs and also keep a low profile,

like don't,

don't try to,

my dad does pass. He like, he'll get it.
it. He has phases where he has 57 bicycles in his basement.
I don't know what the fuck he's doing. But they were very...
My parents weren't educated, really. They went to high school and they got out and that was it.
But they were very... That was the one thing I think...
That's the thing I'm going to copy off of them. They sent us to an all-boys Catholic high school, paid for our college, and it's like...
That's thing with my kids it's like we're i'm looking for schools for my my daughter right now and it's like i was telling my wife i'm like is it your mom's big on a lot of people i know are like the public school is just as good and it's like i don't think so i don't i don't i genuinely don't think so it's like i'm assuming you live in a nice area it probably yeah it's pretty nice yeah a lot of indies a lot of indies you're probably fine then man. I went to public school.
Yeah. No, but no, the public schools around me are,

it's pretty nice. A lot of Indians.
I think you're probably fine then, man. You should.
I went to public school. Yeah.
No, the public schools around me, it's newly nice, so the public schools are... But it's like you compare it to a private school and it's like...
I mean, you've done well for public school. I'll give you two cases.
I'll give you the case for any guess. My point is, sorry, before I cut you off, my point is if you can't afford it, you should spend money on your kid's education.
Oh, definitely. That's all I was trying to say.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely.
And so, in that case, it's interesting.

But more what I meant in terms of that is sometimes people will be like, I don't know.

Like, I knew a girl who wanted to take a graduate test, like study for the GRE.

And she was like, oh, my parents won't pay for my GRE test thing.

But they have the money to pay for it.

That's crazy.

But they're like, you have to work to go for your GRE test prep. I'm like, what? Who are your parents? That's so ruthless.
In my head, I'm like, that doesn't even fly. But if I was like, hey, dad.
So if I was like, dad, I need $5,000 for a GRE prep course, and I was like 23 or whatever, I'd be like, absolutely. But if I was like, I need $5,000 to go hang out in Saint-Tropez, he's like, what?'s like, what? No way.
That's what I'm talking about. Well, in a lot of the suburbs that I'm from, I've learned that many of the families are just debt.
It's just like the whole thing runs on a giant balloon of debt. And it's like kind of Americans are obsessed with debt.
Americans are obsessed with consumerism. And, uh, you know, I can't, my dad, when he was making good money, he was rolling around in the 1988 Mazda with no air conditioning in 150 degrees with his windows rolled down.
Uh, and he refused to get it. He eventually sold it for $1,000 after he put 200,000 miles on it.
So it was like, that's where I come from. Um, and, uh, do you need a new Raptor truck, Texas? Probably notxas probably not yeah yeah it's like these guys no offense but you know if you look at the average car payment texas is the highest average car payment in the nation because all of these idiots are rolling around in trucks you don't need a brand new truck trucks you don't need eighty thousand dollar raptor it's ridiculous like sorry you need a toyota camera camry uh or a hyundai or like any of these other cars they're great cars they'll get you so i am actually a big proponent of uh dave ramsey for the vast majority of people i think ramsey he's very what you were just saying i think his like common sense approach if 95 of people uh followed their life that way they would be better off he preaches like avoid debt you know don't use and all of this.
I personally am a big credit card point fiend, but you know, I paid my balance and all this stuff. But here's the thing.
I think what he gets at is what we were talking about with impulse control and all that. It's look, look at the stats.
People can't control themselves. They're only paying the minimums.
They're taking out 35, 40, 50% debt or whatever on their APR. HELOC loans and all this.
He's taught me about financial products I didn't even know existed. I'm like, wait, so people out there are taking two mortgages and then another mortgage on top of that one.
How do you sleep at night, bro? Dude, it's insane. Oh my God.
I actually cannot imagine. So for anybody out there who's listening, if you listen to Dave and you actually take, at the very least, take some of that advice to heart, you know the number one thing is budget too.
No matter how much money you make, you still need a budget. And the reason why is you just need to know where your money is going and you need to be conscientious about every dollar that you spend.
So like you were just saying, like you need, you and your wife need to sit down and make a choice. But we're sending our kid to private school.
That means this is our nut. We need X, Y, and Z amount per month.
This is how it looks like. And we're saving.
And this is what it looks like. I're saving and this is what it looks like with i'm still i have an open mind right now i'm like i'm i've looked at like four schools yeah and it's like i've noticed a huge difference but it's like if i see a public school that works i would go i don't i don't not like one or the other but i went to both so i can make the case so i was very lucky so i grew up in college station i went to public school for the first 16 years of my life.
My last year is a high school. My parents, we moved to Qatar and I got to go to a very fancy private school.
It was part of the deal. Like an international? An international, the American School of Doha, right? So I went from a school where probably the median income of the parent was like, let's say like $40,000 to a school where the median income of the parent was probably like $300,000.
Yeah, yeah. An elite school.
It was an outrageously nice school. We were flying for school trips.
Everybody there, their parents worked for Exxon. Dude, that was one of the schools we looked at.
We're going to send your fourth grader to France for a week. I was like, what the fuck? I was like, no.
That's what my last years of high school were like. And I will tell you, I definitely loved it.
I loved it. But I would worry that if i had grown up in that environment and anybody out there if you've ever interacted with people who are in that bubble there's a lot of downside that man like that's when you were talking about the first class thing we went on a school trip once and one of the kids had never flown economy before and we were all flying economy together he was like 17 years old what the fuck been in economy class.
He only ever flown first. And frankly, he was a pampered little bitch, you know? Yeah, yeah.
And the people like that, like, there is something important. And I think about it, too, where, you know, about the people that I grew up with.
I didn't even love them that much, I'll be honest with you. But it was important.
I got to interact with people from all across different walks of life. I think public education is very important.
And I actually think at a young age, too, you know, I think in high school, I could make a really good case if you have the money to go to private school. If you look at the stats, private schools send the vast majority of their kids to Ivy League and to other schools, especially if that's what you want for your child.
But K through what? Middle school? It's not really about education. It's about socialization.
And so for socialization purposes, I don't really want my children just be personally like to be growing up in a bubble. And in that bubble, like I've spent enough time now in elite circles that I can see how dangerous that it really can be to the mind and to how that person can eventually use that privilege in others others and first of all they're over interpreting their own success like this idea of like they'll be like oh we're doing pretty good i'm like you are not doing shit yeah i'm doing good you're not doing good like you have not done anything and uh dude it is weird man that's that's the kind of the thing i've been struggling with it's like you know because i don't want to be like get them older and be like what the fuck you could have sent me to a nicer school and i'm like i don't want you to be a dickhead yeah but you can also just track each of your children and like what if them one of them is real there are different types of schools there's magnet schools there's math schools there's uh sports there's drama there's like all these other ones like you gotta what i would do is i would be like okay well first of all again k through eight is about what's not about education actually a lot of that education my man is on you all right exactly if anything you're trying to pay somebody else yeah to teach your kids how to read better that's that's about you you gotta do you need to step up in the house i'm fucking what are you talking about dude we spelled her name but that's what i'm saying we you got to be keeping that shit up every day after school not even tutors you you're seeing to be engaged you need to be making sure that you're sitting there and making stuff is this stuff done because that's where the parent really uh is is the most important of course you know middle school high school when we start talking about SATs and that's when i think education and the quality of teacher can really make an impact on them but that's by the time they're starting to become like formed as a human being yeah may have an idea of what they want to do but those those initial years, I think it's really just about learning how to like be a person in the world, about how to interact with others, following rule.
Like, what does it mean to live in a society and be in like this ordered weird thing that we call? So that's the purpose of school, man. For sure.
That's why homeschool people are fucking weirdos. Can we all be honest? Have you ever met a normal one? They're freaks.
All right. It's true, man.
Like, it's true. I know people who are homeschooling right now that are going to be pissed at you, dude.
I don't care. I mean, every...
We met one homeschooled kid. Sometimes they do it in pods and they're okay.
We met a homeschooled kid in my baseball team and, like, we drove him to tears. Yeah, you should.
And he deserved it. I mean, like, be honest.
He deserved it, dude. There is a huge aspect of the socialization for sure.
Yeah, it's important. For sure.
But then it's like with the public schools, like, well, what are they getting socialized into? Then you look at all the other shit they had going on with, like, you know, like when they're like, don't tell your parents if you want to trans, come to us and we'll send you to a doctor. That's fair.
That was the shit that was free. You're living here in Texas, dude.
What are you worried about? You're actually worried? Dude, now all the schools... I'm in Austin.
So the schools are like,

they go pretty hard with that shit.

And that's the stuff that I'm like,

eh, but I don't know.

What about the rest of the burbs around it?

Round Rock, Fredericksburg,

all those other...

They can't be there.

I mean, I grew up around here, man.

Those are some Bible belters.

You've been going for a long time, dude.

Yeah, that's true.

This place changed.

You left, bro.

That's true.

I guess you're true. That's kind of...
Yeah, I don't know. I went to a, we can get out of here soon.
How long are we doing, Josh? Damn, dude, we almost did a Rogan. I'll let you out here in a second.
Sweet. I was laughing.
Today we toured a, because again, it's like I'm going to public school. I'm just trying to find, that's the one thing I will try to give my kids the best in education.
Well, you should. I mean, look, there's nothing wrong with doing private school but i will say today so i was thinking that i went to a walter school today i don't know if you're familiar i know i know i'm familiar with what it is dude i've never seen anything like that in my life and it was like almost i theoretically i'm like it's all the stuff i like i like and i saw the reality of it and i was like no it was just like almost creepy i agree there was a there at one point there's there's one dude in the tour.
No matter what the person said, he would go, oh, that's so important. And like, at one point, at one point they were like, we have climbing trees.
We have trees. We don't climb.
Those are the climbing trees. And he goes, oh, yes.
And then they were in another room and they're like, for math, we have a tactile sensory aspect where we these marbles, and they're actually counting the marbles. And the guy literally over marbles goes, oh, yes.
I was like, dude, would you shut the fuck up? That's so weird. There becomes a point of it where it is like...
There are some millennial trends. It's like a fake favor.
We did the entire Odyssey school play in fourth grade. It's like, all right, dude.
There's some millennial trends. I need to look more into them, not 100%.

I think they do well. I think it has like, go ahead, I'm sorry.
Well, I was going to say gentle parenting is the one that I've become familiar with. This millennial trend of being like, they don't say the word no, right? Everything is about redirection.
And the Indian in me is like, how can you possibly turn out like a well-formed adult? Like, actually, a huge well i would say majority of adulthood is learning how to deal with the consequences of the word now that's like oh you want a job fuck you no there's a giant no money yeah there's a giant no hovering over your entire life yeah it's really like you're like or like oh you want to go on a date it's like what are 99 of these women going to tell you no tell you? No, absolutely. I know.
You're a loser, actually. Yes.
Yeah, I go back. So it's like, I grew up in the rigorous old school.
If you get in trouble, you get hit, all that stuff. I do think that's not a good idea to do.
Probably. I think it's genuinely, it's like, you know, I don't think it's the end of the world, especially if you're not getting drunk and coming in for no reason.
If there's a rhyme and reason to it, it's not the worst thing. i do think the um punishing physically makes you as a kid like i'm not going to tell my parents anything that's right i don't want to get smacked no but they need consequences right like you take away the things that they like yes be like you're in the silent treatment or stuff like i do i think consequences are really important because man when you get shielded from it and honestly yeah you know even even i remember like that first time when you're 22 years old and you graduate from college and you're actually out on your own and you really are, you're like, Oh my God, like this is, this sucks.
So you make a bad decision and you're sitting there, you know, and you're like, Oh dude, and this is on me and I'm by myself right now. Nobody's going to bail you out right now.
I'm telling you, the worst possible is when you're making bad decisions

and it's paying off because eventually it all hits you and you go,

oh, and it comes for everybody, dude.

And you go, oh, man.

And the older you get, you go, there's no way.

I've got to live my way through this now.

And it's like, I agree.

Dude, thank you so much for coming.

I can talk to you forever.

I can talk to you forever.

I really enjoyed it.

This is actually pretty fun. Dude, thank you so much for coming.
I can talk to you forever. I can talk to you forever.
I really enjoyed it. This is actually pretty fun.

Dude, thank you, man.

Appreciate you.

Thank you.

Thank you.