Ep 529 - Weed & Gambling (feat. Saagar Enjeti)

Speaker 1 Wow, wow, Wes.

Speaker 1 We're live. Sager, thank you, dude.
Thank you for coming. Thank you for having me.
I like your setup. Thank you, man.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 It's it's uh it's since I'm in politics, you know, I kind of think I that's what I'm saying. I've I uh I vibe with the set more.
I think I think it's a good look for you too, dude.

Speaker 1 I think you look good on the really, there's something now. I feel really self-conscious.
I should have worn my suit. The only reason I didn't is because I'm going out after this.

Speaker 1 You know, I'm like going to be out out there for sure. You don't want to be walking around Austin, Texas.
Just sweating.

Speaker 1 I did it yesterday after Lex Friedman's podcast, and I was getting a lot of looks. Do you guys both wore suits? Yes, we both wore suits.
That's right. That's kind of nice.
But his is the black suit.

Speaker 1 His is different. He has like a uniform.
He does. And I like to change it up.
He's like an alien fighter. He dresses like Will Smith from Men and Black.
Exactly.

Speaker 1 It's kind of, there's something nice about that. I've always wanted to do the Steve Jobs thing where I wear the same thing every day.
You could do it. I think you could do it.
I feel like I could.

Speaker 1 I know one guy who's been wearing all white for seven years and I might jack his swag. In comedy, do you think it is useful to have a uniform or no?

Speaker 1 Because I noticed that comedians have been getting very like fashion forward. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And sometimes I'll go to a set and I'll be like, honestly, what he's wearing wearing is kind of distracting me right now. Yeah, I don't understand why.
I mean, I have like a loose uniform.

Speaker 1 It's just jeans, usually these sneakers, and I just switch a plain color t-shirt. That's fine.
See, that's not, that's like, that's comfortable. I could see that working.

Speaker 1 But sometimes I'll see these guys in like crazy ass Gucci stuff. I'm like, dude, I'm blinded by you right now.
I can't even hear what you're saying.

Speaker 1 I never understood that, too, because it's like, dude, you're supposed to be making people laugh. You tell me.
I don't know. It's your profession.

Speaker 1 I don't know what it is. I see people go way fashion forward on the stage, and I'm kind of like, dude, you're kind of, it's just like a distraction.
Totally. And nobody cares.
Nobody cares.

Speaker 1 I totally agree. It's like, nobody cares.
Your job here is to play the fool. Like, you're trying to dress like a cool guy.
It's like, I think it detracts. I'm with you, man.
I think it detracts.

Speaker 1 If I ever wear anything that is remotely eye-catching, I'll think about it on stage the entire time. Really? I can't.
Yeah. It took me forever.
This is my aura ring.

Speaker 1 It's just for tracking my biometrics. Uh-huh.
Took me forever. I would meet every person I met.
I'd be like, I'm usually not a two-ring guy. You're the only aura ring person I know who's a guy.

Speaker 1 I know. Well, they track their periods.
I know. That's why every woman I know is like they're obsessed with period tracking.
But so,

Speaker 1 how does it feel to be a guy wearing an aura ring? Well, me and

Speaker 1 me and Nick Sex from 311, I'm not the only guy. The guy from 311 wears an aura ring.

Speaker 1 Real men wear whoop straps. Whoopstraps are cool.
But here's the thing: sleeping with something on my wrist, I get it to track my sleep.

Speaker 1 My sleep is way up. You can sleep on this.
I'm just too clunky on my hand. It's just too clunky on your hands.
It's too clunky. I tried doing the Apple Watch sleep, and it just, I can't get with it.

Speaker 1 I'll tell you when I got my wedding ring, it took me months to get used to this show. Yeah,

Speaker 1 even now, I'm always like this. Yep, I noticed subconsciously, I'm always twisting.
I'm banging on shit. I felt weird for the longest time, and then now if I don't have it on, I feel like

Speaker 1 a naked boy. Do you ever get terrifying that you're going to rip your finger off? I think about that all the time.
How are you going to rip your finger off?

Speaker 1 I don't know, like the trunk or something, like something will catch just exactly the right way. Oh, you're going to come into it like that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and your entire finger is going to be completely ripped off. Then it's, well, look, if you rip your ring finger off, then it's on.
You can do whatever you want. Just be like, bro, my bad.

Speaker 1 What do you even tell your wife?

Speaker 1 Put the ring on the nub. Yeah, she's like, I lost my ring.

Speaker 1 You just cheat on her all the time because you don't have a ring finger.

Speaker 1 I don't have a ring finger. It's gone.
Our vows are over. Yeah, if you lose that finger, you're a batch.
You're a bad. I like that.
You remember those rules in the 2000s?

Speaker 1 I love watching, you know, 2000s movies or actually 1990s, like American Pie when they're like, it's not cheating if you're not in the same zip code. Oh, yeah.
And re-watching it

Speaker 1 25 years later, you're like, that makes no sense you're like what are you talking like how was this conventional wisdom in 2001 that the hall pass was another big one like

Speaker 1 hall pass that was a there was a whole friends episode like what's your hall pass and i'll be like but that's not real it's just completely fake yeah you're you're yeah

Speaker 1 like stop acting like it's a cute thing to do yeah i was literally just thinking about hall passes yesterday i was like they try to push that for a little bit it was a huge hall pass 2000s trope as if all relationships functioned on uh if you're not in separate area codes you're not married during your engage engaged.

Speaker 1 Hall passes were apparently and allegedly a thing. What else was there? Work wife, workwife, work wife.
Workwife was a huge thing. That shit pisses me off.
Yeah, I don't like that stuff.

Speaker 1 The entire workwife concept is fucking weird, you know?

Speaker 1 I understand how it arises, but it's like, it's not your workwife. You're cheating on your wife.
Exactly. You're having an emotional relationship.
You are having an emotional affair.

Speaker 1 That's going to bleed over. Right.
Yeah. Things were weird in the 90s.

Speaker 1 They were. And there was also in the 90s, it was like very in vogue.

Speaker 1 We talked about this before, but it was like very in vogue to like jailbait the concept of like having sex with underage women was just like yo bro jailba that was a big that's another big american pie thing too yeah yeah i mean man re they don't age well but they are still hilarious dude they're so funny they should remake and they should do it again they we need what was the last one american wedding is that what i i lost track american pie i saw that that was like a huge thing to see when i was younger i i kind of jumped off that and hangover i didn't really follow the hangover as well so good comedy's they stopped making comedy movies for yeah but the whole reason i'm here is because shane is filming filming Todd I know now it's the emergence it's re-emerging and that that technically is a show the comedy the great American comedy there was like the Farrelly brothers all these people you don't have they don't you don't have like a comedy in the theaters and the weirdest thing too is that the director Todd Phillips I mean he made so many of those movies that I love old school he made what else did he make he made road trip i think which is an incredible film road trip is nice road trip is so good but now and then he did the hangover he became filthy rich but then he just made he made the joker movie and then he made joker 2 which is adorable.

Speaker 1 It's like adorable.

Speaker 1 Why do they do that? I don't know. I mean,

Speaker 1 the galaxy brain case, Tarantino had a really good quote. And he's like, Joker is Todd Phillips saying, you know, the way he talks.

Speaker 1 He's like, Joker is the Todd Phillips saying, way of saying, fuck you, to the audience. And that's why it's brilliant.
And I was like, I don't know, Tarantino.

Speaker 1 I think you're galaxying brain and yourself and doubt that this shitty movie is actually really cool. It sucks.
Yeah, it's just bad. It's just empirically bad.
I know.

Speaker 1 Even though to be like, yeah, because for me, I always think of like the mood. I guess if you're already, already, you have that track record, it's like people will still invest in you.

Speaker 1 Well, that's the thing is, fuck you money. And honestly, he's a super weird dude.
One of my favorite books I read about Hollywood was Molly's Game.

Speaker 1 Actually, it also became a movie, which is a good movie. I think it's on Netflix.
And it's about that girl who ran this high-stakes poker game in Hollywood.

Speaker 1 But I ended up reading the book and I found out Toby McGuire is a complete and total psycho. So Toby,

Speaker 1 I had no idea. So Toby was part of the quote-unquote pussy posse.
He was a pussy posse. So, I knew that.
But then I'm reading about these weird psychological mind games that he would play in the book.

Speaker 1 And he would, at one point, he had a quote where he's like, Poker is not about winning, poker is about destroying people's souls. And he would string people along and bring them, get them into debt.

Speaker 1 And he was constantly charging this girl, the girl who ran the games, and he was fucking with her and her livelihood. And he would take the game.
He's a multi-hundred millionaire or whatever.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. And he's constantly, he's charging her for using his automatic shuffling.

Speaker 1 Just weird power game shit. Like hot, like true Hollywood.
He's like an evil nerd. He's like an evil nerd.
He's like a psycho. Reading that book, I was like, dude, you are an actual psychopath.

Speaker 1 Like, this C. Bisc, he's the jockey.
That's, that's, it's Spider-Man. That's all I know about this guy.
I was like, oh man, this is. Well, he's probably upset.
His parents died when he was younger.

Speaker 1 And he had to become like a superhero. He got bit by a spider.
He's got that. And then, yeah, the more I learned, and Todd Phillips is in the book too.
That's what made me think. He's nuts.
He does.

Speaker 1 So this is all like

Speaker 1 a biographer, basically, like digging into these.

Speaker 1 No, she wrote the book she was like my journey running this is what high stakes poker got you got you gotcha she was like the assistant to some rich hollywood fuck and he brought her to run the games and then so she got in with like toby maguire apparently leo came and toby got leo to come and

Speaker 1 yeah but leo is also apparently like didn't talk to anybody and just put his headphones on the entire time while he was playing poker dude i've heard a headphone story about leo i was gonna say that's so so that's what reminded me of the other you know the song do you know the song he listens to no what is it oh dude it's uh fucked

Speaker 1 Time to pretend. He listens to Time to Pretend while

Speaker 1 someone who's wearing basically extremely young women. I mean,

Speaker 1 I don't get it. Time to pretend, dude.

Speaker 1 She's 27. It's time to pretend she's 27.

Speaker 1 No, younger.

Speaker 1 What's the time? I'm saying she's 18. He's pretending.
Oh, that's right. He's trying to pretend that she's 18.
They're trying to pretend she's 27, but she is 18. The whole thing is very strange.

Speaker 1 The Leo thing, I don't get it. I love Leo.
He's such an incredible actor. He's got great instincts.
He's actually a very, very smart guy.

Speaker 1 But, yeah, his personal life, it's weird. I think we need to call a spade a spade.
It is.

Speaker 1 And it's also one of those things where I think Bill Barr is like another avowed kind of like, yeah, I fuck 19 year olds and I'm 65. And he's like, he's older than that.
I think he's like 67, bro.

Speaker 1 He might even be, he might be pushing 70, actually. Really? Yeah.
Yeah. And it's another one where it's like, yeah, it is weird.

Speaker 1 It is definitely weird, dude, because it's the mental difference is crazy. Yeah.
I mean, we're talking like order, like statistical, like, like, think about how many standard deviations away from.

Speaker 1 It's like a vampire. It's like you're an immortal vampire at that point.
You're 70 talking to an 18-year-old. 18-year-old girl.
You're kind of babysitting her. Absolutely you are.

Speaker 1 There's no question that. I don't know, man.
And if it's like, dude, like, you could be like, oh, I can make a, you know, I can make a geometric case for their breasts.

Speaker 1 It's like, all right, dude, well,

Speaker 1 like, dude, just stop being such a perfect. Go jack off.
You don't have to date an 18-year-old. Just go jerk off.
You don't have to like try to make it a lifestyle.

Speaker 1 See, I love this because this is a very just natural way of us like, you know, bringing ourselves to being like, yeah, you know, there's actually really something about, you should just get married, bro.

Speaker 1 Just get married be normal being normal is good it's actually a good thing people who aren't normal are fucking weirdos and i mean you know you and i are in a unique position where you actually probably eventually get to met meet some of these famous people that you see or other or you get to you just hear little things you're not sure for sure like and you're like oh yeah there's a real cost of this isn't there you're like and i'm like i'm not really sure you want i'm like i don't want to fuck with this this is not the way that i choose to live my life and i don't really want to be a society well dude there comes a point where you're either involved in this like you know because yeah you're absolutely right because you you get to like you know they're like the rarefied air of like hollywood and that little stuff and it does turn into like a diabolical power game and it's like we all have those instincts to participate in some level but there are people who give their entire lives to like you know like looking at another guy's car or be being like he got what project fucking motherfucker yeah where's my 19 year old girlfriend i need to fucking eat her pussy ready out of comedy like weird consumerist like idolatry of the self yeah it's like everything that i've learned you know in life is just like all of that is horrible and and it's bad.

Speaker 1 There's a good political thing to this too. If you stay in Washington, the thing is, lots of people who are young come to Washington, 22, 23 years old, wide-eyed, bushy-tailed, all of that.

Speaker 1 Most people burn out by 27. So I'm like in my mid-30s now.
And so I'm in the cohort, like we made it, like the people who actually got the jobs, stayed in the lifestyle and all that.

Speaker 1 But this is also, you know, there's this cringe show about How I Met Your Mother.

Speaker 1 And there's a very important concept that Barney lays out in that show where he's like relationships, and I think life is like this, have off-ramps like an exit, where it's like relationships is like one year, three year, five year, 10 year, 25, something like that.

Speaker 1 And if you look statistically, he's not wrong in terms of like when divorces and breakups and all this stuff happen.

Speaker 1 But for, yeah, for like professional DC or honestly, any career where it requires you to give fucking everything to it.

Speaker 1 But then you start to see one of the most important pieces of advice I got was like, look at where you are and then look at the guy who's 10 years in that same path.

Speaker 1 And I was in the White House briefing room, for example, and I was looking around. I'm I'm like, wait a second, I don't want to be any of you people.
Like, I need to get the fuck out of here. Yeah.

Speaker 1 This is, I'm like, if we're on this track, I'm like, this is a bad track. We want to get out.
What was the White House briefing? What do you, is that like when you sit and ask questions?

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's where, well, I didn't even get to sit. I had to stand like a bitch in the corner.
But yeah, excuse me. So you're like just yelling questions.
It's horrible, man. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So actually, I'm hopeful with the new administration that we can change some of this up. So the way it works is that the White House Correspondence Association is like a cartel.

Speaker 1 And even though it's unofficial, they run everything. So all the briefing room seats are assigned by the White House Correspondence Association.

Speaker 1 I was working for the Daily Caller at the time, which is a conservative media outlet. And if you want a seat, you have to apply.
And applying takes years to get a new seat.

Speaker 1 And so if you don't have a seat, then obviously you have to get there early.

Speaker 1 So I would get there hours early ahead of time just to be able to stand in the in the in the hallway, like on the side, and you're literally crammed in up against like all these different people.

Speaker 1 There's all this jockeying and there's like foreigners. It's like the stock market kind of in a way.
Literally, it looks, it's like a movie, right?

Speaker 1 And then you just sit there and you kind of like poke your hand. I was lucky because I'm tall.
So I actually get my hand above.

Speaker 1 There was a short girl behind me and she was like, can I get in front of you? I'm like, sorry, bitch. Yeah.
I got it. I was here at 5 a.m.
It's a dog-eat-dog world. Like, get here earlier.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't know what to tell you.

Speaker 1 That's what I'm talking about, though. I don't want to be that person.
That actually sucks. Yeah.
Or there was this girl who's like, hi, I'm shooting a documentary. I'm from England and all this.

Speaker 1 And I was just wondering if I'd get my shot. I'm like, yeah, but if you get your shot, I'm not going to get my question.
So it's like, and then my boss is going to chew my ass out.

Speaker 1 So it's just not going to happen. Yeah.

Speaker 1 it's like and you don't want to be in that mind space is more what i'm saying so for sure that's probably takes a toll it does take a toll hollywood finance politics all these other things all function the same way in that if you want to be in the top 0.1 of your field you have to give everything to it and that's it there's no other choice yeah and you know people should be real with that so if you're listening and you're like thinking you're like oh i really want to do something like that just be just understand what it takes understand what it actually takes to get oh dude yeah for sure dude it's funny because i'm i'm viewing schools now for and it's like kind of related so i'm looking at schools for my uh daughter she's going into kindergarten next year.

Speaker 1 So, we're like looking at it, and it's like, dude, schools now are, and I think it's good, but they're what I've been seeing, it's like they're educating people to like

Speaker 1 do something for everybody, to like bring something to the world rather than, like, well, you know, we were in school, it was more like build yourself up so that you're a high-value individual, that you can just take resources for yourself and just, you know, like fuck off.

Speaker 1 And it's like, yeah, but the problem is, is like, they sold everyone that dream, but the reality is, is like, most people aren't going to get those.

Speaker 1 Well, and it's not like most people are going to become doctors. Most people don't want to do that.
You don't want, like, Indians don't know a lot of doctors.

Speaker 1 It's like, do you want to know how hellish medical school is? Be real.

Speaker 1 Whenever you are, like, for real, do you want to spend eight years in school, four years making shit money with $300,000 in debt, working 89 days' hours a week, getting shit on by the attending physicians, then hoping, hoping, and praying that you get your placement or whatever for the next job.

Speaker 1 So by the time you're my age, you can finally get your first paycheck.

Speaker 1 Oh, but fuck you, even though you get your first nice paycheck, 90% of that is going to be going to clearing off of your medical debt. And you've lived 10 years.

Speaker 1 You're probably now addicted to smoking, food, like some vice of some kind. There's no way.
Again, you know this too. When you work really hard, like it takes it all from you.

Speaker 1 You're going to be addicted to energy drinks, nicotine, whatever. Like you need something.
It's not possible to do it natural. It's, dude, it's true.

Speaker 1 I've gone back and forth and it's like, I'm like, no, I don't need anything. And I had like a pretty harsh caffeine phase for myself.
I'm like sensitive to it.

Speaker 1 I had to stop that because I wasn't sleeping. How do you, because you travel a lot, lot, right? Yeah, that's brutal.
I've recently brutal. It sucks.
I've recently introduced melatonin.

Speaker 1 I'm a very like natural type. I don't want to take anything, but I've, I've succumbed to just like interesting.
Just

Speaker 1 give you a warning about melatonin, though. Yeah.
So Andrew Huberman says not to take melatonin. I know, man.
I know it's not good.

Speaker 1 I know it's not right. It was something about something.
He said like the label on the bottle can be anywhere between like 2% and 100 and 1,000% of what's actually in there. What? Yeah.

Speaker 1 And he said something, don't take my word for it, but it was something along the lines of I've seen them give melatonin to rats and it shrivels their balls.

Speaker 1 So it's like, I think that it messes with testosterone. Enough said, I'm done.
My opinion is enough said, I'm done. Just stay off.
I'm off it. I'm off.
Stay off the melatonin. I'm off it.

Speaker 1 It is a, I, as soon as I started taking it, I was like, I get why Michael Jackson had a guy with like an IV in his arm. I'm like, no, that was a whole other level, man.
That's like pro, what was it?

Speaker 1 Propophil? Propophil. It was propophil.
But you start to like, dude, it's like you're just sitting there reading a book and all of a sudden the melatonin just starts to like weigh.

Speaker 1 You're like a stone statue. And then you're just like,

Speaker 1 did you read about this Matthew Perry thing?

Speaker 1 Oh, it was so fucked up. So, what actually happened to him?

Speaker 1 So, I mean, it's really sad. I read his book actually after he died.
And Perry was obviously, everybody knows he was a drug actor. But, you know, it's his parents.

Speaker 1 It turns out his mom was like the press secretary for Justin Trudeau's dad when he was the prime minister.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he was actually, and apparently, he beat the shit out of Justin Trudeau when they were kids, which is why Matthew Perry beat up Justin Trudeau. Matthew Perry

Speaker 1 Trudeau. That's kind of boss.
Yeah, it is cool. But so Perry, it turns out when he was like a really little baby and he was crying, his parents would give him like benzos, like benzodiazepine.
What?

Speaker 1 Like really fucked.

Speaker 1 And he was like, yeah, some of my parents' funniest stories is about me as a baby just sitting there like drooling out of my mouth when they were plugging me full of benzos because I was crying.

Speaker 1 He was like colicky. And so his theory of why he's so fucked up and addicted to drugs was because at a very early age that he had benzos.

Speaker 1 And he's talked about how the very first time he ever felt like anything was good in this world was when he was drunk at 14 years old. And that was the rat race.

Speaker 1 And then he becomes a fucking hundred millionaire, centimillionaire, whatever, from friends.

Speaker 1 And that's why you can see his weight wildly fluctuate on the show because he was either drunk or he was on pills or he was on oxy. But dude,

Speaker 1 the thing is with Perry is he died of a ketamine overdose, I believe. And they, a Los Angeles district attorney filed this case against a so-called like ketamine queen.

Speaker 1 And they have text messages in there of the doctor and the girl who was selling him all this illegal ketamine being like, how much can we take this rich asshole for?

Speaker 1 You know, charging him thousands of dollars per hit of ketamine of which they're buying it's like not very chill ketamine community deeply exploitative like really bad i have horrible i have a a lot of people are really into ketamine i have a very kind of like weird thing because i knew a lot of

Speaker 1 evil hippies who were like oh and ketamine they got like addicted to that they used to call it they used to call it hippie heroin what's it called k-hole right k-hole yeah well dude before it became mainstream it was known like people like oh it's hippie heroin because they would like nod out what does it do because i thought that it helps dissociative but there's the depression aspect.

Speaker 1 There's like the therapeutic aspect. And apparently he'd been having ketamine in a therapeutic setting, but then I guess he got addicted to that.

Speaker 1 And that's why he died in that hot tub, man, because dude, and it was like his assistant, his little drug assistant, they were working to procure him drug and charge him thousands of dollars because they were ripping this guy off.

Speaker 1 That's not right. It's called custying someone out.
They're cussing him to treat him custody praises. Yeah, it's not a good thing to do.
But yeah, I've heard people who swear by it.

Speaker 1 They're like, if you do like, because you can do like, you know, they've like, they make like little lozenges and stuff. So you could like lay there.

Speaker 1 my brother's all about it he's like you lay there he's a big k guy big k guy big special k guy he was really selling me on it and it was like you know i'm like and i get like if you're laying there it's like a 30 minute ordeal you come out of it he's like it is it's good it's like you know blah blah blah but then there's doctors who's like we'll prescribe you a little bit like you can just kind of have it to kind of like because you can either like get into a k hole or just kind of take the edge off and i knew like these dudes that would just snort k constantly but if you snort too much then you'll you'll just be sitting there like the other k that i see signs for everywhere and i actually don't know what it is is, is it Kratom?

Speaker 1 Kratom. Kratom.
What is Kratom?

Speaker 1 You see signs for this everywhere. CBD, we sell Kratom.
I don't know a single person who's ever used Kratom. I don't know what Kratom is.
I know it, dude. I just know it exists, but it's everywhere.

Speaker 1 It's literally everywhere. It's every gas station in America.
Gas stations sell like drugs, like full-on, you sell drugs. Or you can sell weed legally at gas stations now.
It's, dude, they did it.

Speaker 1 It's the hemp farm bill allowed THCA, which is weed, the active ingredients, THC. Is that the same as

Speaker 1 spice or whatever? No, it's dude. So

Speaker 1 spice is a synthetic. So it's like if you take, you know, delta-9, tetrahydrate, whatever it's called, there's the exact molecule that's illegal.

Speaker 1 Spice is like, let's remove a couple of carbon molecules and like a hydrogen. And now it's like very similar, but it's legal because it's not technically the same sub.

Speaker 1 It's like an analog or whatever you want to call it.

Speaker 1 So what kratom is, well, with the THCA stuff, it's like it,

Speaker 1 like weed picked off the plant is THCA because there's a carbon molecule. That's why if you have to make brownies, you have to heat the weed up to decarboxylate it.

Speaker 1 And that's what, like, THC is illegal, but THC is legal. So now you can grow hemp, which is just weed, with THCA, which is just THC, and it's legal.
And you can sell it at a gas station.

Speaker 1 It's completely schizophrenic. It makes no sense.
It makes no sense. But I mean, I think it's sick.
You can mail it right to your house.

Speaker 1 Really? Oh, yeah. You can just get it mailed right to your house.
Are you a big weed guy? I was for the longest time. You can smell weed in here, you know.
It wasn't me? Okay. It wasn't me.

Speaker 1 I know you hate it. It wasn't me.
Yeah, yeah. That was you, bro.
You were playing. Me and Sagar

Speaker 1 Blunt, dude.

Speaker 1 Don't put misinformation out there. All right.

Speaker 1 The moment I came down here, my nostrils flared. I didn't want to say anything, but I did suspect you.
I'm not going to lie. I immediately suspected you.

Speaker 1 I was a big weed guy since I was in high school through college. But you quit, right? So it's a success story.

Speaker 1 I cut it out, but here's the thing. It becomes too much.
Especially when you have kids. It's like, I just can't.
I can't be high.

Speaker 1 Can you tell that to more people? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Some people claim, but like. For me personally, it's like having

Speaker 1 like a weird panic attack at a playground. Yeah.
It's not serving your family.

Speaker 1 oh fuck dude i just gotta be brave for my daughter but everybody says it's chill no it's chill dude it's totally chill dude the thing is the weed's different the weed is so strong

Speaker 1 thank you please it's a different subject dude i have i've dude i've literally i was selling weed from 2008

Speaker 1 up until whatever pretty embarrassingly recently but the

Speaker 1 whatever i don't even call it 911 maybe 200

Speaker 1 maybe 2009 is weed legal in philly i knew a guy who got it's totally it's uh medical okay i knew a guy who got caught with coke in outside of the you know whatever uh delaware county uh-huh and apparently they the delaware like whatever township police called the philadelphia pd and they're like we caught this guy with cocaine we also think he's been buying weed from philadelphia uh and dude the philly pd just went hung up on he was in the room he was getting in trouble for i mean to be fair they have like actual problems yes murders yeah and they were just like he's like dude they hunt the philly pd hung up on township police

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Speaker 1 But it is, dude, with the dabs. It has become drugified.
So I like watched weed develop for years, like very close to it. And it was like,

Speaker 1 it became a thing that was like, dude, this is like, dude, like,

Speaker 1 you know, it was like, everyone talks about this. Like in the 70s, it was like 7% THC.
And you get like 14, 15%. It was like, wow, dude, it's like 30%.
Some of them are like 28 to 30%.

Speaker 1 It's too much. And they also, the percentage was that are sold to you.
It's kind of like what I just said about melatonin. You have no idea whether whether that's correctly in there or not.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, let's stay off the weed. Let me that also allow me a weed dye tribe.
That's fine. I'll give you one.

Speaker 1 What my thing is now, it's like, so now they're starting to regrow it and introduce like the

Speaker 1 grow it so it's like only 7% with CBD. Okay.
And that's very relaxing. It's not as psychoactive.
It just, it really can like make you. It's like the founding father weed.

Speaker 1 That's like the hemp George Washington smoked. Oh, is it? Okay.
It's very chill. You're not like, you might get like, you know.
Well, he was doing opium too. Do you think other people are.

Speaker 1 Was he doing opium? Of course, they all were doing opium back back then. That's how the painkillers happened.
Yeah. True, I guess

Speaker 1 it's a forbidden part of the 1900s, and nobody ever talks about the shocking number of opium and cocaine addicts that were up until like the 1920s.

Speaker 1 Incredible amount of society was addicted to morphine, opium, cocaine. You could get it readily across the counter.

Speaker 1 A lot of the doctors were going to prison because they were Coke addicts and they were prescribing cocaine to different people. It's actually pretty wild.
Yeah, yeah, I think you can get it in prison.

Speaker 1 You can get opium in prison in like the 20s. I think you could order it on the commissary wow i think so i just read i read a book about like an old uh like a burglar from like 1890

Speaker 1 to spend the time you know yeah already locked up yeah you just you could just gobble it up you could just take yeah exactly

Speaker 1 you could just gobble it up i think i think it was like either the guards were selling it but i i remember the guy was saying in the book he just ordered some opium from the well it wasn't illegal for for a long time yeah i mean it took a long time because there was a lot of it's the same problems we have now the opium addicts at the time that it's like for a while they're in opium they can't afford opium you start robbing people to pay for your opium and yeah it's like they're like like, okay, we got to get rid of this.

Speaker 1 Yeah, this is a problem. Dude, the kratom now is kratom is a it's not

Speaker 1 what is it?

Speaker 1 It's technically an opium. It's a plant.
It's a natural plant, but it has this is what they say about it's natural. It's natural.
Yeah. Yeah, it's natural.
What do you just talk about?

Speaker 1 Oh, they're cross-players with this. Yeah.

Speaker 1 40% now. It's like, that's not fucking natural.
Exactly. You're asking.
That's as natural as the red tomato in a grocery store. I totally agree.
I think they've totally, they've ruined weed.

Speaker 1 Now it's called type 2 cannabis. They're walking it back.
And I think that, because, dude, I couldn't, I would just like freak out. I'm like, this sucks.

Speaker 1 This isn't fun at all. Or I do think, though, and this is like a,

Speaker 1 I do like saying this to people because people get very like bullyish with weed. They'll be like, dude, fucking five milligram.
I can take a 50 million. It's like this, because you're a dumbass.

Speaker 1 You don't have anything going on in your brain. It's like you've actually cooked so much of your IQ off that you no longer have the IQ to argue.
No, I'm saying naturally they're a dumbass.

Speaker 1 They've already always been people who can do like 200 milligram edibles. It's like, yeah, because you're a fucking dumbass.
You don't have anything going on in your mind.

Speaker 1 You're just sitting there like, oh, you're like a dog gets a brownie. You're just kind of like, oh.

Speaker 1 Or you metabolize it differently. I don't know.
Okay. Yeah.
But dude, the kratom, they do snag people with the natural stuff, but it's like it mimics opiates.

Speaker 1 So people will use it to get off of like, you could be sick for

Speaker 1 heroin if it was a plant. But it also is different.
Like, if you take a little bit, it's energizing. But if you take a lot, it's like you ate like four Pergasets.
You get it, man.

Speaker 1 Dude, and people get addicted to it, man. No, no, no.
I do know that.

Speaker 1 That's why I brought it up because there is a lot of this weird stuff that like kratom, obviously weed now with the mass legalization. And nobody ever talks about it.

Speaker 1 You know, if you look at the weed graph, like over 20% of weed users are using it on a multi-daily basis.

Speaker 1 So that is like, imagine if 20% of people who drank alcohol drank like straight liquor all day, every day. That's not even close.
What is the percentage of people who drink alcohol daily?

Speaker 1 Who are daily drinkers? I think it's like 7% to 8%. Actually, by the way, I'm not putting alcohol off the

Speaker 1 it's really bad. People who are alcoholics, it ruins your life.

Speaker 1 It will kill you early. There's all this stuff.
And actually, weed and alcohol, almost all vices actually

Speaker 1 have the same effect where between like seven, it's like the Pareto principle where

Speaker 1 20% can be responsible for 80%. And so 20% of weed users consume almost all of the weed because they're using it every single day and it's extremely high THC and it's psychoactive.

Speaker 1 Anybody who knows anybody who's ever owned a liquor store, it's like the vast majority of your sales are going to the same like alcoholics. Honestly, it's really sad.

Speaker 1 And then gambling is the same way.

Speaker 1 Like a huge percentage of casino returnees, like, you know, people go to Vegas and they have fun, but like, if you have ever spent time in a casino, like the people that come every single day are just like pissing their life.

Speaker 1 It makes you really sad. That's the saddest part.
Like, that is really sad. It's so sad.
When you see, especially the old people there, and you're like, damn, your kids stop talking to you.

Speaker 1 You've worked your home.

Speaker 1 Do you have sports gambling advertisers? Do you? Oh, big time, yeah. Oh, do you? Okay.
You can talk whatever you want. Okay, all right.
Well, then I'll say it. It's unfair free speech.

Speaker 1 You can't win a free speech speech. All right, all right.

Speaker 1 Sorry, DraftKings and FanDuel and all these other people. Stop those two.

Speaker 1 Okay, good. All right, well, you've definitely had that before.
Oh, have you? Say whatever you want. Okay, all right.
I'm not worried about that.

Speaker 1 Well, I don't want to get you in trouble, but you know, I'm not sure. Did you get any trouble with this?

Speaker 1 I have become totally convinced. I don't put cars on the table.
I actually like to go to the casino.

Speaker 1 I think casino gambling is really fun, but I think it's very important that I have to go to the casino to a physical location. The stats right now on sports gambling, it's just like weed, all vices.

Speaker 1 Disaster. If you look at the amount of money that is being sucked out of people's pockets, it's horrible.
So, in September, in New Jersey alone, New Jersey bettors lost $200 million

Speaker 1 gambling online, in full online gambling. They lost 400 million, they were gambling on sports, and a total of 900 million in a single month of September, just if you include also casinos.

Speaker 1 So, you can see that almost half of the money that New Jersey bettors lost. By the way, Jersey's not that fucking big.
So, we just talked about a billion dollars that got sucked out of the market.

Speaker 1 People are addicted to sports gambling, man. It's terrible.

Speaker 1 And the other thing is, if I studied, I went and I read a little bit about about how casinos operate and casino profits, like the amount that they take is called the hold, like on a game.

Speaker 1 And the hold for DraftKings, FanDuel, and all these others is way higher because traditional gamblers and casinos, they'll bet the money line or they'll bet the spread.

Speaker 1 But these retards on sports gambling are buying and doing all these parlays that get algorithmically pushed. You have no fucking chance of winning your parlay.
Sorry. Sorry.

Speaker 1 You're not going to win your parlay.

Speaker 1 And it's, don't ask me. Check the stats and look at the profits for where all these people are coming from.
So, dude, mass sports gambling has been a fucking disaster.

Speaker 1 Like, you've seen domestic violence has gone up in the places where it is. Bankruptcies are up.
You're seeing a huge amount of credit card debt, 25% increase amongst the people where it is legal.

Speaker 1 And actually, I just read an article about Brazil yesterday where basically it's a social transfer program where the government is cutting checks to working class people.

Speaker 1 Those people are gambling almost 40% of their paychecks away on a consistent basis. So it's like a mass wealth transfer that's happening right now.

Speaker 1 And yeah, I mean, sadly, because you can do it online, just imagine if you could take your phone out and there was an app on your phone where you could drink alcohol.

Speaker 1 Do you know how popular that app would be?

Speaker 1 Imagine

Speaker 1 or see Naked Girls.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Well, that's a picture.
We'll get to that next. We're going to come next.
This is going to be the Killjoy podcast.

Speaker 1 But imagine if you could like suck marijuana from an app that was out of your phone. People would be addicted to that.
That gambling is honestly worse.

Speaker 1 Well, it's a double addiction because the phone's addictive. Yes, and then you put addiction on someone.
So you have an algorithm, you have phones, and you have money that is now at stake.

Speaker 1 Every single state where this has happened, it's been an absolute nightmare.

Speaker 1 And you know, if you, all you have to do, the thing is, is that the gambling companies legally, they have to disclose all of this.

Speaker 1 So all you have to do is go and read their profit and loss statements and look how much of this is coming from the parlay bets. It's the vast majority of their profits.

Speaker 1 And yet, you idiots keep signing up for it. And I get that it's fun, but it's not funny whenever your wife is like, hey, baby, can we buy these berries for our child?

Speaker 1 And you're like, oh, I actually pissed it all away on a parlay last night.

Speaker 1 And, you know, now you have guys who are, you know, you've seen this explosion and people are like, I'm gambling on women's softball or in Korea. And I'm like, bro, you have a problem.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 You have a problem.

Speaker 1 That's always fun. People are like, that's a degenerate behavior.

Speaker 1 The Little League World Series is like, you're a degenerate. You're a degenerate.
You are a D-Gen, bro. And this is, okay, this is my case.

Speaker 1 I think gambling should be legal, but it should only mean casinos. Because one of my favorite parts about going to the casino is you meet the characters, right?

Speaker 1 You go to the crafts table and you see a guy who hasn't showered in three days and has got his colostomy back on. And by the way, he will teach you how to roll the dice.

Speaker 1 And so shout out to that man for showing me, ever showing me how to do it. But seeing him, I'm like, I don't ever want to be even in the same universe of like whatever this dude is.

Speaker 1 But you can't see that when you're on the couch. You don't understand.
You're the sucker.

Speaker 1 Last thing on this that I found out from Nate Silver's book is that if you are any good at sports gambling, you're banned. And so that's kind of fucked up.

Speaker 1 If you win consistently on DraftKings or on FanDuel, they will cap your bet size to like $2. They're like, oh, you're allowed to bet $2 and 14 cents.
That's bullshit. Yes.
And, but you know why?

Speaker 1 And then people are like, oh, I'm actually really good at sports gambling. I'm like, oh, how you been on the app? They're like, three years.
I'm like, you're not any good at sports gambling.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, it would have panned your ass. Yeah, they would cut.
That's everyone. No, I'm like breaking even, basically.
And it's like,

Speaker 1 it's like, well, first of all, you need to win 52% of your bets just to beat the house because two percent is the big that goes to the yeah yeah but then over that it's like the look you're not winning if you're still gambling consistently on the apps you have not won and there you're the sucker that's just you know what they should do an easy amendment to this that wouldn't be such a money suck is that when you lose your gambling money it's held from you for six months they get to make money on the interest and then they send it back to you so that would be nice but momentarily penalized i just read in New York uh i mean why would they do that they would be like fuck you overkeeping all how about we keep all of it and make interest these guys are making the biggest killing in the planet.

Speaker 1 And, like, the best part is all the states are doing it too because they want the money.

Speaker 1 But the thing is, look, they're going to pay for it because it's one of those where you're getting this fake tax revenue.

Speaker 1 But yeah, when you have to come and send cops to Johnny's house because he went fucking broke and he beat up his wife or his girlfriend or whatever, you're paying for that.

Speaker 1 I mean, he's blown off some scenes. Right.

Speaker 1 Parlay goes down. He's going to house.
one of those plastic bottles of whiskey from Costco.

Speaker 1 And we all know what happens next. It is weird that like, when like it's like when jobs are scarce, like, it just people just end up beating up girls.

Speaker 1 Like, if there's not good stuff going on, people are like, well, I guess I have to beat up a girl now. It happens across like every culture.
It's every culture.

Speaker 1 Actually, a lot of people got mad at me on the show because I was talking about it, it was during one of our immigration debates. I think you talked about it a little bit, actually, on your show.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I was just like, look, and by the way, just full disclosure, I married into an Irish family from Philadelphia. Oh, there you go.
All right. So

Speaker 1 I have no discrimination against the Irish.

Speaker 1 But what I'm saying is, back in the day, I think it was reasonable to be like, well, you know, all these people are coming over here and they drink a lot of whiskey.

Speaker 1 And so here's the thing: nobody knows this. The very first thing that women did whenever they voted was ban alcohol.
That's why the temperance movement was entirely driven by women.

Speaker 1 And if the reason why is because they were getting the absolute shit kicked out of them by their drunk-ass husbands who were drinking a liter of whiskey per day on average to deal with, you know, the Industrial revolution for sure yeah all this but it was also let's let's be honest it was part of their culture right yeah and so but and so that that this people don't forget is like that for some reason it's intrinsic like alcohol gambling and beating the shit out of your wife it's it's just a package deal it's one big you are signing up for that you are 100

Speaker 1 yeah it's just impulses ruling the roost and then eventually the curtain closes and you're like right yeah well really what i think it is is just somebody for the first time is showing the reality of what you've done where you can rationalize your parlays away.

Speaker 1 You can rationalize all this, but the very first time, like I just said, we're like, hey, can we pave to go see, I don't know, like, I want to go see my mom next week or whatever. Can I get a flight?

Speaker 1 And they're like, no, we literally don't have to be awesome. Yeah.
And, or the ultimate being like, I told you the Chiefs aren't going to kick a finger.

Speaker 1 Shut the fuck up.

Speaker 1 You didn't know that.

Speaker 1 Well, it is funny. There is a huge, because, you know, my whole, I'm all like Irish Catholic doubt.
And it's like,

Speaker 1 like, we seeing someone fall at a wedding, I'm like, man, it's like, it's so normal. And like, my wife would like cry.
She'd be like, that's not right. And And I'm like, that's so sad.
I'm like, dude.

Speaker 1 My in-laws and their family are not like that. People fall at weddings.
It is what it is. Stop being a baby.
I have a really funny tweet. Like, you know,

Speaker 1 I left Dublin and I moved, I forget where they moved, like somewhere in South America or something. And they're like, and what I thought was we were all having a good time.

Speaker 1 It turns out we're just crippling alcoholics.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like family beach trips were just like adults hammered for seven days. And I'd just be like, all right.

Speaker 1 The kids would get hammered. They would pass out.

Speaker 1 Beach culture is weird. Oh, it's crazy.
It is. It's crazy.

Speaker 1 I had no exposure to it because i grew up here uh but yeah i went to like i think went to rehoboth which is like the nice beach right but even then i'm like man these ladies are hammering titos at like 9 a.m in the morning i'm like there's some crazy going down east coast beach culture is like getting it's like quiet that's not like as like cool like margaritaville it's just people just quietly quietly deja my uncle yeah my uncles would be like they would all joke and they'd be like oh man who's gonna crack the first one and be like i don't give a shit i'll do it and you just crack a course like now they don't let you drink on the beaches like that really yeah they're taking a lot of people doing it well and in the well they're doing it in the solo cups That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 They used to, and they'll still come around and police you.

Speaker 1 I grew up going to Sea Isle, and you dude, it was just beers, whatever. Really?

Speaker 1 Now it's like you have to have a cup, and they'll come around if you have alcohol in your cup, they'll write because they can just write you a fine.

Speaker 1 Everyone's going to drink on the beach, of course, they are. Yeah, see, see, and this is where my like nanny state instincts come to me.
I'm like, all right, well, fuck off.

Speaker 1 All right, they people are also on the beach, and that's just a money grab for whatever.

Speaker 1 We need rules, but really, what it is, like, we just need a better, we need a better culture around this stuff because nobody, we just got to acknowledge the downsides, right?

Speaker 1 That's, that's all I'm asking. Everybody's asking, like, sports gambling is the greatest thing ever.
It's about freedom. You're going to get, and look at their ads, right?

Speaker 1 They're like, you're going to get rich. You join free $15.
Yeah, we'll give you $500 for five bucks. $5, $500 deposit.

Speaker 1 I'm like, once again, bro, like, have you ever been to a casino? That shit doesn't get built based on winners. Like, 99% of the people who walk out of there are fucking losers.

Speaker 1 The odds that it are you is almost 99%.

Speaker 1 Well, I think the gambling companies would be happier doing this because they do do that little disclaimer. Like, by the way, guys, if you know, if in case you yeah, but that's mostly bullshit.

Speaker 1 And a lot of it is because they're required by the state to put it in there. And then what the states do is they take part of these losses and they fund these gamblings.

Speaker 1 But it's like, you are the receipt.

Speaker 1 The rise in sports gambling addiction has created the need for these gambling addiction centers. So it's like, just don't have it in the first place.

Speaker 1 Well, the weirdest part about gambling addiction is that it's not even about winning or losing. Like, I forget, I read it.
They like when they lose. That's the craziest part.

Speaker 1 They love it when they lose. Or it's more like the flow state of just being like, it's not the winning or losing.

Speaker 1 It's just going from thing to thing, and you're just, your brain's totally focused on that. Again, I get it.
I like it. I love to play baccarat.
See, I don't like to gamble.

Speaker 1 I've never, I'm just filled with anxiety the whole time.

Speaker 1 I love games of chance. Poker is more actually, I think I could justify poker because I wouldn't even really call it gambling, although it is technically like kind of a game of chance.

Speaker 1 But there's a lot of strategy in that. Obviously, like the famous rounders quote, it's like the same 10 people end up at the finals for a reason.
It's not a game of fucking chance.

Speaker 1 Whereas if you go to blackjack competitions or baccarat competitions,

Speaker 1 you get lucky, all right? That's how it works. I see the appeal of both, but there is something.
This is where I'll flip the script, man. The magic of the cards.
Like when the baccarat thing,

Speaker 1 you're like, nine, nine, nine, nine. You're just sitting there that moment, the anticipation.

Speaker 1 And it's fun. And when you hit it, oh my God.
It's so fun. Yeah, it's unbelievable.
It's also fun.

Speaker 1 And I play like $15 tables in Charlestown, West Virginia, next to toothless Chinese women who are getting their Chinese ash on my face.

Speaker 1 I prefer, honestly, I'd rather be around them. I love them.
Shout out to the yeah. You always want to gamble with Chinese, if you're playing baccarat, Chinese and Vietnamese.
They know what's up.

Speaker 1 That's a good idea. That's a good call.
And the less teeth they have, the more, the more good at the game they are. They have patience.

Speaker 1 They have all these superstitions about dragons and colors and stuff. That's the thing, though, man.

Speaker 1 Because I was like sitting there one time backstage at a comedy show, and they were like playing dice in the green room. It's like they have this little box.

Speaker 1 And I was like, it is just people interacting with magic. People are tracking gambling.

Speaker 1 It's magic. It's like a divine thing.
You're like, yes, and everybody, craps is also definitely the most fun in the game in the casino.

Speaker 1 Although it is minus EV every single bet on the cat on the craps table. So, but when you play, the magic of it is it's a crowd's game because, and I love craps gurus, right?

Speaker 1 Like, I was talking about the diabetic guy, and he's like, he's like, yeah, he threw it over here, though, threw it over here.

Speaker 1 It's like, the first time he throws to the right, he's going to roll seven, which means we all get fucked. So he was like, he's like, he's about to roll that, take your bet off.

Speaker 1 And I was like, all right, got it. Got it.
He was right. And I was like, dude, my only time player plays.
They know something. They know something.

Speaker 1 My only time playing craps, a guy was like, just do what I do. And I was up $1,300 very quickly.
Holy shit. Very quickly.

Speaker 1 Very quickly. Whoa.
And I was just like. You're playing higher stakes than I am.

Speaker 1 I was just drunk, too. It's like, it's fine.
And then I got cocky. I was like, I know what's going on.
As soon as I started doing my own bats, I was back down to 600. I just picked it up.

Speaker 1 I was like, thank you, sir. And just walked out.
I was like, I'm fucking up. I mean, you left up.
That's, you know, that's I will do that. I'm ruthless at a casino.
If I win a hundred bucks, I'm out.

Speaker 1 I'm like, get me the fuck out of here. I just won $100.
It could be $200. That's to me, I'm like,

Speaker 1 I get so disgusted when I lose.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm feeling I get, and I just, I'm like, I think about just them just like taking like the time I spent into like work and life, especially when I was like just working a job where I was like, I could be like, oh, that was a day of my life.

Speaker 1 Yes. And I would just think of that just getting like sucked into a vault with just a huge chamber.
You could pay for free drinks for these fat alcoholics who are like

Speaker 1 sitting in the slot machine like,

Speaker 1 no, it would fucking kill me. The worst part is

Speaker 1 I don't really gamble much anymore, but it was like when I first did it, I was in Vegas for my cousin's bachelor party, and he was like, you know, do this, do that.

Speaker 1 And I won the first four times I gambled, I won.

Speaker 1 What game was it? Blackjack. Oh, wow.
And I would just win.

Speaker 1 Very high-variance game, though. That's the problem.
I'd be fucked so easily. Dude, I'd win like $200.
And I'd win $200. I'd just get right the fuck out.

Speaker 1 And I would spend all my code was every dollar I won gambling, I'd spend it on everyone around me immediately.

Speaker 1 And it worked. Yeah, you got to spread the love.
You got to get the juju. You need the luck.
Just exactly. And then I tip the dealers heavily.
And then I like. was like, I think I'm good at blackjack.

Speaker 1 And I instantly lost like $700 so, so fast, dude. Oh, yeah.
The fact that 15 minutes I was just. Oh, yeah,

Speaker 1 that's what they do. Because it's a high-variance game, and they know they can wipe you out way before you're going to wipe them out.
So what they want to do is just deal all those hands per hour.

Speaker 1 And already, Blackjack, I think Blackjack is a 51-49 game, I'm pretty sure. Even with perfect basic, were you playing basic strategy? Like, perfect? No idea what the fuck I was doing.
There was a guy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no idea. And there'd be guys like, dude, you got to hit.
And I'm like, no. Oh, yeah.
I'm sure they get mad at you. Actually,

Speaker 1 if you don't play basic strategy correctly, because if you fuck it up, you're going to fuck the whole shoe up for the entire table. And so they get very upset.

Speaker 1 They were very displeased with me, but I was like, bro, this is not my problem. We're not on a team.
You're not sharing your money. Gamblers know this.
This is gen pop shit.

Speaker 1 I'd be like, dude, we're not on a fucking team. We're not splitting this money.
This is my call. No, but it is a team because if you fuck the math up, then he's going to hit it.

Speaker 1 He's going to get the wrong card because he's playing math and you're not. And so that's what screws.
But Dana White

Speaker 1 theory. Yeah, Dana White is like, sometimes you got to go to war with the shoe.
And

Speaker 1 you got to turn basic strategy out of the shoe. I was like, I don't really think that's how math works, but I mean, he's super rich, so he doesn't care.
Yeah. I heard he likes to gamble.

Speaker 1 Oh, he's heavily. Me and my friends who like to go to the casino, we will hype ourselves up with Dana White clips.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 It's just like, because he has

Speaker 1 like a love of the game. Like he, he's like, he's like, you know, I'm rich as hell.
I can get on the jet and I can go anywhere else. If my kids are gone, I'm going to the casino.

Speaker 1 He's just like, that's what I, he's like, that's what I do. It's what I do.
It's just scary. Once you're that rich, you you have to play with big sums to excite yourself.
He plays for millions.

Speaker 1 I think he said his dream is to play $1 million per hand on Baccarat. A million dollars a hand.
He said, I think the highest he's gotten is like 300,000.

Speaker 1 To be fair, one of the reasons they probably won't let him, and that's one of the reasons I like Baccarat, is Baccarat is an actual 50-50 game.

Speaker 1 Because the house edge is like 0.05%. So you actually have pretty, I mean, you have good odds, but like better than fucking Blackjack.
For sure, yeah. Any of these, especially crap.

Speaker 1 Craps is a shit show. It's the most fun game in the casino, but every single one of the games, like I said, is minus EV.

Speaker 1 You're almost certainly going to lose money, like whenever you play, especially in the long enough timeline. So if you do win,

Speaker 1 just get out of there.

Speaker 1 If you're up, like, if you have 100 and you won 200, get the fuck out

Speaker 1 immediately. Yeah.
Same with roulette. Do not play triple zero roulette.
That is the biggest scam in the entire casino. Which triple zero?

Speaker 1 So on roulette, you know, they, if you could just bet black or red, the way that the house has its edge is in the old days, they had a green zero.

Speaker 1 So after after a while, the casino execs were like, What if we had two zeros?

Speaker 1 We're like, Maybe these idiots in Vegas will, and you know, people are drunk, and they're like, Oh, there's only two zeros. I don't even think about the zeros.

Speaker 1 Bro, the math goes from like 49% or whatever to like the house edge goes from like one or two percent to like seven percent.

Speaker 1 And then after a while, they couldn't add three zeros, so they added like whatever the casino, no, they added a third one.

Speaker 1 So they go zero, then double zero, and then they have like the MGM logo on the wheel. So now the edge is like 11%.

Speaker 1 I thought you were saying they added one zero, one, zero, and then a third, but it was a double zero.

Speaker 1 No, no, so there's a zero, then there's a double zero, and then there'll be, so like MGM or Caesars or just a blank space. You're just pissing your money away.

Speaker 1 Like people, you know, you know, there's the meme. It's like, if you win, you're like, put it all in black or whatever.

Speaker 1 Well, check the zeros because if there's triple zero, you're fucked. All right.

Speaker 1 You're not good odds. Dude, that's the, you know what I've done though with poker or not poker.

Speaker 1 The last couple of times I've been in a casino environment for like stand-up or something a lot of times they give you chips really so something i've had fun yeah they'll be like they'll give you like a couple just let me know the dates i come like yeah yeah

Speaker 1 i'll give you like a hundred bucks i'll give you like a hundred dollars

Speaker 1 yeah you can break that down we could turn that yeah we could turn it into uh 150. yeah yeah yeah we'll turn it into 150.

Speaker 1 dude what i started doing is when they give me chips i put it on i go to roulette or blackjack i put it all on one hand and if it wins i give it to the dealer i say here you i love that it's kind of hard if i lose i go hey man i you know whatever feels good that does yeah i mean they make dude you know the people they have to deal with.

Speaker 1 Like, what a shitty job. Like, I'm sure they make a lot of money, some at least some of them, but probably the good ones, but oh, God, I can't imagine.

Speaker 1 You're dealing with the absolute dregs of humanity, especially like at the, you know, at their worst, like fucking up and like, oh, yeah, I hate that too.

Speaker 1 When people get mad at the dealers and they're like, it's your fault. Like, you're not.

Speaker 1 That guy sucks. I'm just like, dude, fuck you.
But then you also don't really want to do anything because you're like, this guy's kind of crazy.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 I'm not going to be a whole white night. Like, you put your hands on maybe, but like, you know, up until that, you're like, can we get security over here? Yeah, dude.
It's, it's, uh,

Speaker 1 I've never got bit by the gambling bug, man. I, that's good.
I tried to be a bookie for a while. Whoa.
I tried, and it was just like, yeah, but how, where were you getting your lines from?

Speaker 1 Oh, I, it was like my friend knew another book. It was like a sub-bookie thing where I was like sending them kind of just bets, basically.
But it was my job to like collect them all. Really?

Speaker 1 It was just my friends. It was just my friends.
And then, but what about when they don't pay? So here's what happened.

Speaker 1 They were like, I don't watch sports like that, so I didn't know what the fuck was going on.

Speaker 1 So they would just, if they lost, they would call my and they, I like, they would just leave me voicemails all weekend being like, put another one, put it.

Speaker 1 And they just kept doubling down, doubling down, doubling down. And then eventually, like, some of my friends owed me money.

Speaker 1 And I just got to the point where I was like, I'm not taking your money for this. And I just like told the guy, I was like, I'm not doing this anymore.
I just felt bad.

Speaker 1 Like, if you like sell something to somebody,

Speaker 1 that's like, yes, you gave me that. But to be like, yo, the Bears lost.
You owe me $250.

Speaker 1 I was like. And you actually have to collect it too.
Yeah. And I was like, I don't want to do that.
Yeah, exactly. That's the big thing, man.
I don't know. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, East Coast sports gambling culture has always been there. I don't know.
I I mean, I grew up here. I don't remember thinking or hearing like other parents.

Speaker 1 I guess I grew up in a Bible Belt area, so they wouldn't be doing it. But I don't remember a lot of money changing hands on college football.

Speaker 1 But now these days, college football is actually even more worthy action. I could say that.
Because apparently it's like there's the mismatches or whatever. There's like underdogs.

Speaker 1 And, you know, for somebody who hates gambling, I know way too much about gambling. I had a

Speaker 1 love-hate relationship.

Speaker 1 There's that and weed, too. You don't know a lot about weed.
You don't know a lot about weed, though. I don't know a lot about the experience of weed, but I've never.
Have you ever smoked weed?

Speaker 1 I think I smoked weed when I was very drunk when I was in college once. Okay.
And that's pretty much it. That makes sense.
That's fair. Yeah.
What'd you blaze? I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 1 Dude, you're at a party. Blue dream.

Speaker 1 It passes you whatever. It probably was fake.
It was probably not even marijuana. It was like somebody's grass that he had bought off of somebody else and got ripped away.

Speaker 1 Well, dude, the K2 is big in prison. That's like the stuff you're doing.

Speaker 1 I know. That fucks people.
I have friends that are going to lose their minds. Yes.
Is that right? Yes.

Speaker 1 I think these guys, you know, they'll do anything. Like speed balls and shit.
And I have friends that are like, bro, the K2 is fucked up. Really? You're in jail.

Speaker 1 You're in the county jail and you just blaze K2 and have like an absolutely satanic experience. He's like, dude, it's for real.
Like terrifying. I think I saw some videos about that.

Speaker 1 For some reason, my YouTube feed has been pushing me a lot of prison content. It's a good idea.
And you can go down a serious rabbit hole. It's

Speaker 1 prison tube. Shout out to Johnny Mitchell, by the way.
The Kinect. You should have him on your show.

Speaker 1 What do you do? He's a comedian. He's like 6'7, but he does this show called The Connect, where he interviews, when he went to jail for as a weed dealer.

Speaker 1 And he interviews like other people who were drug dealers and then also talks about their prison experience.

Speaker 1 So I actually did a show. He's an interesting.
He actually likes politics. That's why we talked a little bit, but some of his content is really good.
Dude, it's the best.

Speaker 1 Because he interviews like, you know, like high-level drug kingpins. Yeah.
And he'll be like, tell me about the story, but then also like what was it like to be in federal prison or whatever. Yeah.

Speaker 1 What a nightmare.

Speaker 1 Dude, I just finished a book about an LSD dealer who got caught in the early 90s. So he got sentenced for like 20 years.
Whoa. He never even got caught with acid.

Speaker 1 It was just all, he was doing Western conspiracy. Yeah, exactly.
He got a conspiracy charge 20 years.

Speaker 1 And it was during, he was in jail during the race riot, like the crack laws.

Speaker 1 And he had a altercation with a lieutenant, like one of the guards. And he was a white guy.
And when the crack riots happened, it was more, it was just black inmates having riots or doing riots.

Speaker 1 And the lieutenant was like, he was, he incited the riot, sent him to fucking Marion, which is like a super max.

Speaker 1 And he had to do like, I think like three years in Marion where he ended up only doing five years out of the 20 years, right?

Speaker 1 Well, I think everyone likes prison content because it's like, what would I do?

Speaker 1 Exactly, exactly. I thought about that too.
I'm like, well, I'm not white, not black, not Hispanic, and everything's

Speaker 1 other. You're another? Another.
That's what it's called. But how many others are there? Not a lot.
The other Indians in prison are going to be like doctors for Medicare fraud. You know, the hello doc.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 I think it's called others. I think you're

Speaker 1 like Inuit. Yeah.
Indian. Inuit? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Actually, they're probably pretty good, right? They can fight. Exactly.
Pretty jacked. But they're good for you.

Speaker 1 Your numbers are not great. No, it's not good.
So, yeah. I think it's like, dude, I got so deep into prison shit, but it's like, yeah.
So then what would your strategy be?

Speaker 1 My strategy would be getting my parents to put money on my books. Right.
And then we pay the others for protection. That's the big thing you can do.
My plan was always to pay the Muslim Brotherhood.

Speaker 1 Oh. So you can pay the Muslim Brotherhood to protect.
But then it's like, yeah, it is like racial and faith. But I could fake it and I could just grow my beard and say that I was a Muslim, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, a good, you can get the Muslim diet too. Oh, you have to answer that.

Speaker 1 The halal food is better.

Speaker 1 Yeah, people do the kosher diet. That's a big thing.
Really? If you can prove like you're Jewish and you're allowed to switch your religion every like six months or so to get a different diet.

Speaker 1 I swear to God. I read that Ramsey Youssef, who was the, he was the World Trade Center bomber, the 93 bomber, he apparently stayed in his cell for like 10 years straight.

Speaker 1 whenever, because he refused to do a strip search because he said it violated his religion.

Speaker 1 But then apparently he was like, okay, I'm now converted to christianity what uh but apparently the warden and all of them don't believe him so it's set up for i don't really know what's going on but i think he has started to like he's finally left his cell after 13 years he's a christian now uh well he claims he's christian are they gonna scroll down his butthole or like he's like he's like all right i'm ready well i think you have to do that thing where you with the squat and cough or whatever he refused to do it he's like i won't do it so he literally man he did not leave his his cell in supermax in uh adx florence or whatever for like 13 years like it was totally crazy and fine after 13 years he's like, I think broke.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, it's understandable. It's like, you spent 13 years.
You literally haven't, you have never left. And you're like, okay, that's so impressive.
I would make 13 minutes.

Speaker 1 And I'd be like, you know what? I'm just going to share this guy my asshole and get it over with. You know, they say they sleep a lot.
That was the interesting thing. Yep, that's a big thing.

Speaker 1 You can train yourself to sleep 12 hours a day, but it's like, what do you do all day? You know, even when you're awake, like, that just sounds work out, sleep a lot.

Speaker 1 And in your cell, yeah, just right. Yeah.
And it's the guy in the book I read about the LSD dealer, Joel Blazer. Um,

Speaker 1 he was saying, like, he got schooled on like masturbation techniques. Whoa.
Yeah, like, just nothing, nothing hands-on. You know, he said he never was a punk.
That was his term. A punk.

Speaker 1 But he was like going into it, how, like, you use a sock and you flip it inside out so you're hitting like more of the soft area.

Speaker 1 And then at the very end, he said you would apply force to the under part of your head. And he's like, and it's so funny him writing.
It's like, my orgasms were intense and powerful.

Speaker 1 And it's like, damn.

Speaker 1 Yeah. But I mean, that's all he's got.
Did you watch the show Escape at Danamora? It's in Netflix. It's really good.
It was created by Ben Ben Stiller. And it's

Speaker 1 no, Benicio. It's Benicio.
And then the guy from There Will Be Blood, the guy who's the twins. Anyway, Paul Dano, that's his name.
Paul Dano.

Speaker 1 And so those two are inmates who basically sweet talk this woman, this obese prison worker, and then they both start a relationship with her. And they get her to smuggle in tools.

Speaker 1 And then they literally tunnel out of the prison. It's a real life story.
It happened in 2015. So I watched the show.
It was a fantastic, really good acting. And then I went and read the real story.

Speaker 1 Dude, it was wild. Like, it's a high facility.
They're both in there for murder. Like, one guy literally murdered a police officer.
The other guy, like, butchered and kidnapped an old man for money.

Speaker 1 These are like no shit killers. Yeah.
Locked up in this high-security prison in, I think it was in North New York. Like, you know, upstate New York.

Speaker 1 Yeah, up there. Yeah, it was in the Adirondacks.
Yeah. And yes, they were up there and they were able to get her to smuggle in like hacksaw blades.

Speaker 1 They cut their way out of their cells, were able to make their way like through the pipes and everything, use a sledgehammer, hammer through multiple walls, and then cut a hole in a drain pipe or whatever, crawl through the pipe, come up out on the other side, crawl through a manhole, and they were on the run for like 23 days.

Speaker 1 One guy almost made it to Canada. They shot him like 10 miles from the Canadian border.
Yeah, one guy was killed. The other guy made, sorry, spoiler alert.
What year was this? 2015. It wasn't a month.

Speaker 1 Yeah, dude. It was like shot him at the, oh, I guess, yeah, if he's that high profile.
Well, they were a trooper was like, hey, who are you? And he just like took off running.

Speaker 1 And the other guy apparently was like a drunk. And

Speaker 1 they would find like hunting cabins. And he would just be like, all right, just grabbing whiskeys.

Speaker 1 He's like a bear. He was like a bear.
He was literally. He was like a bear.

Speaker 1 That's a good way of putting it.

Speaker 1 He's like, we need the pill. He was just walking around.
Yeah, so that the other guy left him. He was like, fuck this dude.
He's like turned into a drunk. He's just never going to make it.
And then

Speaker 1 so then he got he got killed. And then the other guy actually almost made it to Canada.
Damn. Yeah.
I know. He almost.
The weird part of the show is it's structured really well.

Speaker 1 The first like six episodes, you're really rooting for the prisoners. And then before you get to the last episode, they do a flashback that shows what they did.
And you're like, wait, fuck these guys.

Speaker 1 Like, this is terrible. Because you don't know what they're in there for.
You know, they're in prison, but then they're like, oh, he literally murdered a cop.

Speaker 1 And then the other guy like kidnapped this man and tried to extort money from him and fucking like butchered him and cut him up into little pieces. You're like,

Speaker 1 his parlays didn't work.

Speaker 1 I'm like, we got gotta get this guy out of here. I'm like, this is not good.

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Speaker 1 yeah, the prison culture shit is like fascinating, man. Absolutely.
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Speaker 1 How much weight were you moving then when you were selling marijuana? Decent amount. Like

Speaker 1 pounds. Yeah.
Whoa. Yeah.
So you could have gone to, you actually could have gone to jail. I could have gone to jail.

Speaker 1 In Philly, it was like you could have five pounds and you wouldn't really, you could like get locked up, but you wouldn't do like a sentence at a certain point. But

Speaker 1 that's what I've heard. But like before, though, like in the see in the 2000s, it started getting more lacks, more lacks, more lacks.
By the end of it, nobody was going to jail for weed.

Speaker 1 Even like the cops would find a half pound of weed on you and it's just like, Jesus Christ, and just take it and make the fuck out of here. How does it all work though? Like in terms, not the cost.

Speaker 1 So were you selling to other dealers? Because you had enough. Yeah, eventually.
it was like I would do both.

Speaker 1 You would get like, like, the way it would work is you'd have to, like, I remember I like saved all my money so hard, and I eventually saved up $1,600, and I bought a half pound.

Speaker 1 And then I got to, like, actually make money off of it.

Speaker 1 And then eventually I started, you get it fronted to you. You find somebody and they would front me like 30 pounds of weed.
Yeah, that is the interesting thing I read from Johnny's podcast.

Speaker 1 There's a lot of consignment

Speaker 1 in the drug business. And then double consignment.
I would get something from it and double consign it to other people. And then you have to kind of.
What if he doesn't pay you?

Speaker 1 And then you got to pay the guy.

Speaker 1 you tell him hey man i'm falling on tough times that you that's the that's the thing it's like i you're never supposed to meet that person like the top level person because they want to keep like an air of like because they're going to tell the guy like you tell him i'm like i'm murder but i met the guy really

Speaker 1 it was you know it wasn't were you ever physically threatened did you ever see weapons i got robbed at gunpoint yeah really oh yeah what was that like what happened it was surreal it was like so i got

Speaker 1 I got I got threatened with a club one time. That was embarrassing.
I gave in to the club just outside. This guy was like, I want to fucking hit you with this.
And I was like, like, what kind of club?

Speaker 1 Like a a handmade like a wooden just a fucking like a 1920s police officer baton dude he was like but i was in west philly like trying to buy purco sets you did the right thing yeah and there was like seven guys around me and i was like seriously guys where are my purco sets and they were like dude we'll bash your brains in and i was like all right you guys can keep the 200 you win you win this round um but yeah it was that and then i had a guy one time he got robbed and blamed it on me i think he just took my money but he came out like we were in an apartment he was like something's got he like cocked a gun and walked towards me and i was like oh shit.

Speaker 1 That time it was just like, everything just goes super slow. I remember it was being like very slow, terrified too.
People were like, dude, if someone pulled a gun on me, I'd foot.

Speaker 1 It's like, I was frozen, totally frozen. Yeah, spider flight.
Yes. Exactly.
Second time I. You got robbed twice.
Well, that time I got like,

Speaker 1 I had already, I like paid this guy money to go get something and bring it to me. And he's like, I got robbed after you gave me the money.
And I was like, bro, it's fine.

Speaker 1 I like, I was like, it's all good, man. He's like, nah, man, this is fucked up.
And he just fucking like cocked a gun and like walked. He was like, did you do it? And I was like,

Speaker 1 how the fuck did I, what are you talking about? Oh, like you did

Speaker 1 set him up, right? I was like, why would I do that? Oh, man. Whatever.
But that was the whole thing.

Speaker 1 And then the second time I was in an apartment and it was like someone had owed me a bunch of money and I was bringing them more stuff.

Speaker 1 So I had like the money they owed me and like about four pounds of weed. And he was going to give it to some other guy.

Speaker 1 And then this just dude comes up in a ski mask with the kid who was like supposedly his customer. And the kid set it all up.

Speaker 1 But that one, I was like, I remember everything slowed down again, but I was able to read their faces. And the kid I knew was very much afraid.

Speaker 1 And the other kid, I was like, he's pretending to be afraid.

Speaker 1 And then once the guy with the ski mask left with all the money and stuff, I was like,

Speaker 1 you did that. Did you beat him up? I started choking him.
Good. Pretty badly.
And then the kid I knew was like, stop.

Speaker 1 I was like a blind rage.

Speaker 1 You have like a gun in your face. You're terrified.
That's horrifying. I was just fucking just holding this kid's neck.
Like, I know you fucking did that. And the kid's like, stop.

Speaker 1 And like, thank God. I was like, okay.
Yeah. You know, but I don't think, I wasn't violent like that, though.
I was never, that was the only time.

Speaker 1 It was like almost all my money. That's crazy, man.
Yeah, it's crazy. How did you get out of this? What got you out of it? Because there's podcast sets.

Speaker 1 I wasn't on Purple Sets. I was selling it.

Speaker 1 You were selling Purkasetsets. I'm not a vice - I was never really a vice-ridden man.
Porn, obviously.

Speaker 1 You were a true leech on society. I was.
Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 You honestly should have gotten to prison. I'm not going to lie.
I think you owe three years of your life to the state. I think I should, actually.
But now I do service through high-tech podcasts.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's right. You're doing a service.
But I do, I honestly, um, it's not like a sexy tale because, yeah, usually you have the redemptive arc of like, and then I got caught.

Speaker 1 But I was always, I was pretty principled. Like, I remember, like, I was like, pills are evil.
I didn't know anything about them. I'm like, oh, these are very addictive Coke.

Speaker 1 I was like, this stuff's no good either. But weed, there was a thing where it was like, this is good for people because I was smoking so much of it.
I was like, weed is good for people.

Speaker 1 I was like, people need weed. It's good for you.
I thought it was good for me. You know, I was obviously killing it.

Speaker 1 Just like you fighting you. That's right.
Fighting people for Parker Sets. People need to be more like you.

Speaker 1 If you smoke weed, you can also end up in west philadelphia with a club in your face uh that was for pills that was for pills okay that was for pills we were what you were weed was chill we were high it was high forever you go i remember i tried to start a policy with every customer i would smoke a blunt with them and i ended up smoking like nine blunts and it was just how do you even function i didn't i wasn't functioning oh so do you still smoke a lot you said no no okay now it's like very i honestly try to um

Speaker 1 there was a big impulsive element of it but now i i've been trying to do it where i've tried to do this for years where like i almost like incorporated into a a meditation practice.

Speaker 1 But then you get into it, you're like, well, why do I even need that if I'm meditating? You know, so that was kind of like, well, so now it's like

Speaker 1 special occasion. How much better did your sleep get? So much better.
That's the thing with weed. You don't, you can even say, like, well, I'm sleeping better, but your REM sleep is trash.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Thank you. It's true to bring up.
It's like totally true. There's a lot of people.
There's a big psyop by the weed guys who are like, oh, you smoke a bowl right before bed.

Speaker 1 And it's like, actually, you're nuking your REM sleep. It's like people, you know, when you get on an airplane and people are like, just gonna have a glass of wine just to go to bed.

Speaker 1 I'm like, actually, you're

Speaker 1 way shittier sleep. Yeah.
It's like you're actually not sleeping at all. Dude, nobody wants to hear it.
It's semi-conscious, but nobody wants to hear us.

Speaker 1 I tell people all the time, it's like, and the weed does fuck up your REM sleep. Yeah, it doesn't.

Speaker 1 You don't dream. You don't dream.
And everyone knows when I stop smoking weed, I have crazy dreams. Like, that's because you're REM rebounding.
Interesting. Same as alcohol.
Oh, dude.

Speaker 1 It's, yeah, it's like I

Speaker 1 was completely like

Speaker 1 when I was younger. You can say, also, I was making a living off it.
I'm like, weed is awesome. This stuff rules.
Everybody needs this stuff. Everyone needs to be selling this stuff under me.

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That's what happens with heroin, though.

Speaker 1 Heroin, if you're using heroin, you try to convince people to do heroin because you want to start selling it to them, so then you don't have to pay. Really, it's very that's kind of devastating.

Speaker 1 Yes, it's very, very evil. And you like, you're like, one to inject them, too.
Yeah, I remember someone explained that to me, and I was like, someone offered me to sell heroin. I said, no.

Speaker 1 I said, no, thank you, sir.

Speaker 1 Heroin's evil. The pills are evil, but no one knew what the fuck they were.
Yeah. I came out of it.
I got a. Is Percocet the same as Oxycott? Oxycodone.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Percocet is oxycodone mixed with asymmetopheth Tylenol, basically. Okay.
So oxycodone and oxycontin and Percocet are the same thing. Is it the same strength? Is that no?

Speaker 1 What was the whole like pill thing in the 2000s then? So it was oxycontin, right? Or oxycontin? It was all of them. It was Percocets.

Speaker 1 There's a bunch of them. It's

Speaker 1 a big thing. Vicodin was

Speaker 1 hydro something. Hydrocodin.
Hydrocodone, that's right. That's Vicodin.
And Vicodins were less desirable. If you had Vicodins, people would be like, oh, fine.
But Percocets, people wanted them.

Speaker 1 And then the Oxys came out, which was just like a five-milligram Percocet, 10 milligram, you know, whatever it was. Oxy would have been like 40.
Yeah, it was like 80, right?

Speaker 1 I read a book about it, and I remember I watched some documentary about the Sackler fan. That shit is evil, man.
Dude, it was of the cash programs and those pill mills, and they had total knowledge.

Speaker 1 That's really what led to the heroin spike, all the black tar heroin and everything. And it was people had no idea.

Speaker 1 It wasn't just the Sacklers, it was every doctor in the country. Dude, I got like, I would get a sore throat from my college campus.
And they're like, do you want Percocets? And I'd be like, no. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But when I was like 19 or 18 and I got my wisdom teeth out, and my friend was like, bro, I will pay you. He's like, you'll get, if you get pills, I'll buy them off you.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, I'll give you $200. I'm like, what? I was like, for sure.

Speaker 1 I hate medicine. You get my medicine.

Speaker 1 And, dude, and it was like, I remember coming out and like of my wisdom teeth in a haze, but remembering, like, I asked them, I was like, what can I, like, what am I going to get?

Speaker 1 And they were like, oh, we're just going to give you like

Speaker 1 ibuprofen. I was like,

Speaker 1 I'm a real baby with pain. Is there anything else I can have? And they're like, yeah, we'll give you like, I think it was like Percocet.
or Hydrocodone. And they just gave me a full vial.

Speaker 1 And that's, that was the whole thing that set the whole thing off because I made $200 off of it. And then once I went to college, I was like, I got to find more of those things.

Speaker 1 And my friend was like, yo, these things are awesome. So I didn't do them.
Interesting.

Speaker 1 And then I watched, dude, I watched firsthand a whole, there was like this apartment complex because at a certain time, I was getting, I ended up finding like, I would get like 2,500 Viking in at a time.

Speaker 1 And I remember my friend would bring them into this like apartment complex and they all get distributed throughout there.

Speaker 1 And I dude, I watched this whole like little ecosystem of people like degenerate yeah that's when i was like oh i'm like 19 20 at the time and i was like this is fucking bad no it's bad so uh yeah the pills man that that you should go to jail dude i'm such a piece of shit uh you just got to give back to society i do i do though i do i'm i'm telling you that's my i'm all service now i'm all service all right

Speaker 1 i'm wildly overpaid but i'm a wildly overpaid service that's all dude for real though the thing is is like and i this is why i like um

Speaker 1 I've been researching the world religions a lot. There's a really good book called The Religions, The World's Religions by Houston Smith.

Speaker 1 And he goes into like the connective tissue between like Hinduism, Christianity, Judaism, you know, everything else, Islam. And

Speaker 1 I, I do, like, growing up in a Christian like environment, it was, they don't sell it very well to young people. It's like, this sucks.

Speaker 1 I'm not, it's like, it's just a bunch of shit you got to take on face value.

Speaker 1 I started researching Hinduism when I was like, I mean, it's a classic stoner move, just be like, so high and be like, oh, dude, there's nothing more annoying than white guys who are India.

Speaker 1 Than George Harrison wannabes.

Speaker 1 Fuck off.

Speaker 1 In India, they literally laugh at you. They're like, yeah, we'll take your money, but I know.

Speaker 1 But it is a beautiful religion. Yes, it is.
It's a very, and it was like, for me, that was, it gave me a concept of God from researching it from that angle.

Speaker 1 And I was like, oh, that kind of makes sense. Good.
Yeah, that's great. But I like

Speaker 1 their relationship with pleasure from what I've read is like, it's not as, and correct me if I'm wrong, it's not as like forbidden.

Speaker 1 It's like, yeah, if you want pleasure, go get it until you're tired of it.

Speaker 1 Kind of.

Speaker 1 Well, it's hard to say, man, because, you know, even calling Hinduism a religion, obviously it is a religion, but it is intrinsic to the land of India. And I'm really convinced of that.

Speaker 1 As in, like, the practice of Hinduism, like, you don't go on Sunday. You just have temples everywhere.

Speaker 1 People stop on their way and off from work, like at the end of the day for special occasions, for little stuff. Like, you'll go and you'll ask a blessing.

Speaker 1 It's not in the Abrahamic faiths require like rigid practice, and this is much more like a part of daily life.

Speaker 1 So the religion itself doesn't like say yes or no or whatever about, I don't know, pleasure, hard work, it doesn't like prescribe rules, but the Indian culture definitely also plays like a huge part of it.

Speaker 1 So I'm not really convinced. That's why I think Buddhism is a religion.
I think that actually is a religion. And that's one that can transpose into, you know, Western society or whatever.

Speaker 1 But Hinduism, like you really, you really got to be in India if you want to be

Speaker 1 a real Hindu, I think. Or at least practice it in the way that it's meant to be practiced.
You can try, obviously, and everybody can do their own thing.

Speaker 1 But there's a huge amount of people who are Hindus who are atheists. They don't even believe like in God.
It's more you're saying it's more a cultural.

Speaker 1 It's part of the Indian culture.

Speaker 1 When you're there, it just makes sense. That's how people practice their lives.
Each village has its own deity.

Speaker 1 The way that, you know, there's a certain type of blessing, or they call it a puja, which is a ceremony, which is the type of puja that you would do for, I don't know, this

Speaker 1 milestone in your life or whatever. Whereas like Abrahamic fates is like on Sunday or on Friday, we pray, we pray five times a day and we do it at this time.

Speaker 1 And the, you know, the, the, whatever, the chant of the prayer and with the meat meat that we eat is like this, where, you know, even amongst Hindus, like 40% of Hindus are vegetarian, but 60% are not.

Speaker 1 So, you know, there's no, there's no yes and no on life or on how to live. Like, it's just, it's just very much, yeah, part of the culture over 8,000, 9,000 years.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that is, it is, it is such a funny stoner move, though, to be like, dude, I think

Speaker 1 you just do mushrooms. And yoga, it's like girls who are into yoga.
It's like, shut up, they're like, my shivasana. Like, oh, yeah, that is, uh, that is, that is tough.

Speaker 1 When they start, you start, you know, like four Sanskrit words and you're like,

Speaker 1 yeah, sukha. Yes.

Speaker 1 Or the OM tattoos. You're just like, yes.
Spare me, man. I will say, dude, I will say, though, from like just like a

Speaker 1 isn't that a Hindu? Isn't that the Hindu deity? It kind of looks like it. What do you got going on over there? Yeah, this would be a

Speaker 1 might be she. That's Sanskrit.
That's Sanskrit down there. I think.

Speaker 1 Oh, this? No, no, no, no. Oh, dude, this was a shirt I designed to try to sell as merch, and it's a very low seller.

Speaker 1 Chucker.

Speaker 1 Yeah, dude, I do think, though, there's something

Speaker 1 religiously,

Speaker 1 let's just say in the United States, it's like Christianity is, it's cool. It's getting a resurgence.
I don't think so. Statistically, no.
Yeah, I guess maybe that's just the internet memes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think you're thinking of Tradwife. I'm thinking of Tradwife.
If you take a look at the stats, Christianity is never, I mean, not Christianity, religion.

Speaker 1 We have never lived in a more secular country.

Speaker 1 Honestly, even coming back here is shocking. Like to Texas in the modern, I mean, I literally grew up here.
This was a deep Bible Belt state. That's what I remember.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And to watch it become like cosmopolitan is weird, honestly. Even when I go back to College Station, I mean, I don't know.
I guess I just don't feel the same press. I don't live there anymore.

Speaker 1 It's kind of different, but it doesn't just feel the way that it did back then.

Speaker 1 And in general, stats-wise, the evangelism, Catholicism, all practicing religions, and the rise of people who just call themselves spiritual or whatever has never been higher.

Speaker 1 And that's really, I mean, the right-wing trad people are the ones who blame that for where we are. But honestly,

Speaker 1 kind of to make it political, I think that's why Trump is the first

Speaker 1 real secular president. Like everybody knows like he loves the Bible.
What are you talking about, dude? He loves the Bible. Yeah, but it's like, yeah, he loves it so much that he sells a copy.

Speaker 1 But, you know, 30% of the people who voted for Trump are literally pro-choice, like over 30%. That's crazy, right? If you think about it in terms of the abortion election and all of that.

Speaker 1 So the mass secularization of America has made being conservative, like just so though the Texas I grew up and George W. Bush was literally my governor, that type of conservatism, it's fucking gone.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, for sure, for sure.

Speaker 1 I think they're, well, to bring back to my main point, I think the,

Speaker 1 I do think like there's a lot of people who have left organized religion who are going towards kind of spiritualism, but now everyone has a very, I think now it's like everyone has a very strained relationship.

Speaker 1 If people are trying to like practice some form of like God in their life,

Speaker 1 I do feel like researching other religions helps people kind of like conceptualize it.

Speaker 1 Cause you're like, yeah, I'm not going to do this, but you can read that and like, yeah, that kind of makes sense. Of course, like a giant consciousness.

Speaker 1 And then even then, I mean, I could defend their.

Speaker 1 What are your stances on that? What, religion? Yeah, religion, God, God, believing in God religion. I'm not religious at all.

Speaker 1 I mean, I grew up around here, so I still have a very like side-eye view of a lot of the Bible Belt stuff.

Speaker 1 But I think it's good for people. Now that I've been removed from it for quite a long time,

Speaker 1 look, there's, you know, it's like the South Park episode about Mormonism. We're like, look, this is some bat shit crazy stuff.
But the truth is, like, they're living a better life than you.

Speaker 1 So, maybe then, maybe we're the crazy ones, right? You know, they're the ones who believe in planet Kolob or whatever, but they have nine children, they're really happy, they help each other.

Speaker 1 The Mormon church has no debt, they make sure that you get very cheap education at BYUs. If you stay in the faith, they take care of you, they take care of each other.

Speaker 1 I grew up around a lot of Mormons, they're some of the happiest people I know.

Speaker 1 They have like multiple children, they settled well, they seem like they're doing like really well in life, and uh, they get to, you know, they have a big community aspect where you always have just dozens of people who share your values who are around who if you're out of town somebody can come watch your pets or if you need help with your kids or whatever so like they're the winners in life man like that's that's the that's what people need to take away that's that's my yeah that's my question is like that's what i'm what i've been trying to like read about and like think about a lot is like what is the grounding force for like people's lives and if it you know if it dissipates into like if there is no that's like what religion has been forever and now people are like people

Speaker 1 the antidepressants like all that's people are now like you have to like back up the molecules in your brain because you're sad, because your worldview is inherently kind of bleak.

Speaker 1 Very, very well said. And also, I mean, like, wokeism, quote unquote, is a religion.
Any sort of being anti-woke is also a religion. It is, yeah.
Politics is a religion. For sure.

Speaker 1 Religion will find a way in its life, whether you find religion or not.

Speaker 1 The thing is about it is what I would advocate for is that I think, especially in big cities and like in elite circles, there's a real sneering at religion, but they don't look at it in the way that I just said, where it's doing quite a lot of good for people who are in the faith and the community.

Speaker 1 So for me, I'm just like, look, you know, do whatever you want to do. And actually having lived all my entire adult life in mass secular America, we have a lot of problems, right?

Speaker 1 Like the gathering place of the secular American is the bar. It shouldn't be.
You know, that's weird, actually. Like waiting until you're in your mid-30s to even try to start having children.

Speaker 1 And then by that time, like, I don't know. I just have to say that.
They should be turning it into Christ's blood. They should be turning it into Christ's blood.

Speaker 1 There's just choices that you make that make it all about you. And one of the things that are really important about religion is like, actually, no, it's not about you.
It's about other people.

Speaker 1 And so by doing that and by choosing the secular elite path, you are literally pursuing something that is just all about you.

Speaker 1 It's about the pursuit of your own pleasure, about your own money, about all of this, but it will strip away any of the great things in life that will genuinely make you happy.

Speaker 1 So if you're not religious, then you have to actually consciously seek that out. And I, you know, you probably, I'm going to tell you this: you have children now, right?

Speaker 1 Like, it's probably harder to connect and find like groups of other parents. Whereas in the, if you grew up in Texas in the 90s and you went to church, that's dusted, bro.
Like you're

Speaker 1 day one, it's so, it's sold. Like someone will be at your house when your wife gives birth, they will have food waiting in your house.

Speaker 1 But if you don't have that type of community, that's really hard. Yeah, you're stuck.

Speaker 1 The number of people, actually, there's a really interesting like American Family Studies study that shows that the number of friends, particularly among men, the number of like male friends that people have has an all-time low.

Speaker 1 I think the record number is actually in the zero to one category of people who consider themselves like close friends.

Speaker 1 And so if you think about it, like in that community aspect, people are lonelier than ever. They're having difficulty really finding a mate.

Speaker 1 They're really having problems in terms of fostering close friendships. So they're doing what? Betting parlays on gambling.

Speaker 1 They just want to feel something. Stimulate the brain.
They're stimulating the brain. Yeah, that said, that's my problem.
It's like there needs to be some sort of cohesive organizing force.

Speaker 1 And most of them are negative, where it's like, you know, again, it's like fucking, you know, Proud Boys, all that. You can like,

Speaker 1 the things are, and it's, it's not even like, you know, a lot of it, I think, does come down to the media because it's like, you know, it's like, you don't have to take your worldview or your life prescriptive path of the media, but it's like they are experts.

Speaker 1 They are this. And it is looked upon as like, this is an authoritative source of information.
Yeah. And it's just mean.
Like everything you see is just like.

Speaker 1 he's a fucking this guy is such a loser let me tell you about this guy and it's on both sides yeah absolutely i think that's bad for people mentally like well definitely but uh i will give that's some that's a bit cope also, because people blame the media.

Speaker 1 And it's like, look, that's what you people want. Like, at a certain point, like, it's true.
I could be so much more successful, wealthy, and famous if I just did that.

Speaker 1 I actually am actively giving up. That's what I'm saying.
That's what I'm saying. No, I know, but that's a choice that I'm making.
But the truth is, is that that is what most people want.

Speaker 1 Most people want to fulfill their base instincts. They want to have that, you know, that dopamine rush of saying, yeah.
I mean, honestly, Shane's bit about the Fox News dad.

Speaker 1 I mean, I actually, the first time I met him, I was like, you know, that really is like one of the, probably one of the most important bits you've ever done because it's deeply true.

Speaker 1 It's in the vernacular now. People will say I have a Fox News.
I have a Fox News.

Speaker 1 It is a deeply true, like, it's a bit, it's a comedy bit, but that is like an archetype and something that really does exist

Speaker 1 in American society. No, it is.
It's true. And

Speaker 1 I would flip it and say there are also MSNBC moms out there

Speaker 1 who are just as bad on wine moms and all that. But it is a cancer on American society.
But honestly, that's what they want.

Speaker 1 Like, I was talking with Alex yesterday, and I brought up one of my favorite media quotes, and it's from a book called The Loudest Voice in the Room, and it's a biography of Roger Ailes, who was the chairman of Fox News and the creator.

Speaker 1 And he said, People want to be informed. So, people don't want to, people don't want to be informed.
They want to feel informed.

Speaker 1 And I think that is like the most deeply true thing about media that I've ever read. Yeah, no, that's true.
I guess what I'm saying is, is like

Speaker 1 it's just bad.

Speaker 1 It's like it's bad, because it's like, it's like you were saying, there's a financial incentive to be like a major dickhead, which when I when I first saw reality TV, I was like, this is bad.

Speaker 1 This is going, this is creating a pathway. Right, but it's being just a absolute

Speaker 1 weed back then, you would have been like, what the fuck, dude? This is so fucked up. I remember I was just high watching reality TV.

Speaker 1 Like, this is modeling a type of behavior that also pays off genuine,

Speaker 1 which taps into people's own biological drives. And I was like, this is not good because that's what's being modeled.
That's what you're pushed unconsciously to do.

Speaker 1 And like you were saying, like, dude, if you wanted to really double down, anyone, any of us can do it. Oh, hang a couple American flags back here and be like, let me tell you something, motherfucker.

Speaker 1 I get so annoyed.

Speaker 1 You're a grifter or whatever. I'm like, bitch.
I'm like, I could make way more money. I could grift.

Speaker 1 Yeah, if I wanted to grift, I would grift you, you bitch. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 1 if I just sat there and be like, look at these liberal tears that are flowing from their faces.

Speaker 1 I'm telling you, all the channels, you put an American flag behind you, you sell your merch hat, and it's just like. Especially for me, brown guy, and be like, brown guys loves Trump.
And all of that.

Speaker 1 I know, I know, I know. So bore.
The problem is that I get bored, man.

Speaker 1 I find those people so utterly boring that I have no interest in even talking to them. It's embarrassing.
Yeah, it is humiliating. You could make a lot of money.
I have a shit ton of money, guys.

Speaker 1 Especially if you're a black guy at the top of the market. If you're a black guy, red hat, let me tell you something.
It's like you'll be famous overnight.

Speaker 1 MAGA MIMAS will be sending you five bucks a month and be like, Have you seen this nice young man?

Speaker 1 But yeah, I do hope we can like somehow move to

Speaker 1 something that animates people other than you think people will ever be animated other than their base instincts by the masses? Or do you think there will be like an actual like gen pop? No.

Speaker 1 Gen pop will always be the same. Always be.
Yeah, look, look, America, society, these rise of mass media has always looked exactly the same. Like people think it's worse now than it ever was.

Speaker 1 Total bullshit. If you go back and you look at the yellow journalism era, like it was insane.

Speaker 1 People were slamming each other.

Speaker 1 and i mean imagine this american america's news in the 1800s was literally political like when you would read the news you would read the kentucky democrat or you would read like the kansas city republican like your literal newspaper was the party that you supported and one of the ways that people would get interested and instigate politics is socialists and others be like we're starting a socialist newspaper because the news itself was a political vector that's crazy i didn't know that oh yeah

Speaker 1 i was totally bought into like, dude, it's never been this bad. No, absolutely not.
It's bullshit.

Speaker 1 So like, the thing is, is that in the old days, the rise of yellow journalism, of the penny papers, people like William Randolph Hearst and others, and before him, like Joseph Gordon Bennett, it was all sensationalism, tabloid.

Speaker 1 That's where it all comes from. And that was overwhelmingly popular.
What happened is, is that the old days that we romanticize is actually a very unique time in American.

Speaker 1 history where the vast majority of Americans were getting their news from the network TV. So in the 60s and the 70s, everybody romanticizes Walter Cronkite and all this stuff.

Speaker 1 Let me tell you something. The news was just as fake back then as it is today.
It's just that, thank God we have the internet to be like, no, no, no, no, it's fake and it's bullshit. Because

Speaker 1 so I have a book, it's a slog, but people should read it. It's called Personal History by Catherine Graham.
She ran the Washington Post. She was the owner of it.
And her father bought the paper.

Speaker 1 And then her son is the one who sold it. to Jeff Bezos.
But so she ran the paper for basically her entire life. Her husband ran it, then he committed suicide, and she took over and ran it for decades.

Speaker 1 And if you read that paper, actually, if you've ever watched the movie The Post, it's directed by Steven Spielberg with Tom Hanks, and it's about the Pentagon Papers.

Speaker 1 Meryl Streep plays her in the movie.

Speaker 1 And it's really like when reading that book, you're like, you know, she's getting politicking with Kennedy is at dinner, and he's like giving them advice on how to write in the paper.

Speaker 1 And her husband, who was owner of The Post, is friends with JFK, and he's skewing the coverage in a certain way. So everyone has this romantic nature about about the 60s and Cronkite.

Speaker 1 It's like, no, they were just as partisan as people are today, as Rachel Maddow and these people.

Speaker 1 But America didn't know. They had much more higher institutional trust.
And cable news exploded that, obviously, after the network era, and then the rise of blogs and.

Speaker 1 everything. But people were really romanticized this, oh, the news was fair and balanced.
It's like, no, it's not. The news is what got us into Vietnam.
You know, the news.

Speaker 1 No, it wasn't fair and balanced. These people were writing columns and justifying all this bullshit.
They knew what was happening. They didn't report any of it.

Speaker 1 It was only in like, what, 1968, we finally tell everybody the truth. By that time, 500,000 Americans are sitting in Vietnam.

Speaker 1 JFK, we used to go and hang out, and all of his secretaries, McNamara and all these guys, were hanging out in Georgetown, which is a very rich neighborhood, at their fancy-ass mansions, secretly telling them what they should write in their papers.

Speaker 1 Like, dude,

Speaker 1 it's always been like as corrupt. People just didn't know it.

Speaker 1 I feel like Trump did kind of crack the, he like, he like parted the veil to be like,

Speaker 1 this is actually a lot of this is bullshit. The roots of Trump are in, there's a famous clip 2012, Newt Gingrich was the Republican debate, South Carolina debate.

Speaker 1 And the opening question, even I will admit it's a crazy question. They were like, Mr.
Gingrich, your wife, he like, I don't know the circumstances.

Speaker 1 He's done his third wife and he like divorced his wife. I think she was going through cancer or something like that.
Oh, but it was terrible. It was cancer.
No, it was bad. It was bad.

Speaker 1 And it was the second time that he'd done something like that. Anyway, so like that was the opening question.
And Gingrich is like, let me tell you something. That was one of the most disgusting acts.

Speaker 1 And the mainstream media is a direct participant, something like that, in the Democratic Party. And the crap, the pop, as you would say, from the audience

Speaker 1 roars. Like you can hear it on the microphone of like,

Speaker 1 and all of that. And I watched that clip because all the ingredients for Trump were there the whole time.
It's just like, you have to go and look for it. Like Michelle.

Speaker 1 He was the first one that tapped into that. Well, he was the first one who attacked this media on the stage and flipped the debate and made it about them.
And it was a referendum.

Speaker 1 It was like, no, fuck you, actually.

Speaker 1 And you could see John King is kind of taken aback because he's never experienced this before. And now it's the norm in Republican politics.
People expected it. At that time, it was crazy.

Speaker 1 It was shocking.

Speaker 1 But yeah, I mean, I watch that clip a lot because I'm like, that's that's it. That's where Donald Trump, 2015, the famous debate, you know, and Megan Kelly's like, Mr.

Speaker 1 Trump, you've called women pigs, you know.

Speaker 1 He's like, only Rosie O'Donnell. And And they was just it's

Speaker 1 everyone, yeah, yeah, the crowd just roars, man. And it's like, that was it.
Like, that's the moment that he won, in my opinion, in the 2015 primary. Broke politics forever.

Speaker 1 But the ingredients were there. It's funny there.

Speaker 1 It's funny that he was like, like, that was like one of the first dominoes that toppled the mainstream media, and he was just trying to get a fourth wife. He was just trying to get something new.

Speaker 1 He was like, bro, nothing's going to stop me. Yeah.
Not the entire mainstream media.

Speaker 1 No, I think what it is in all of this is that the base has always hated the media it's just that the the politicians they need the media i mean this is another like fakery out of all of this is that the idea that the republicans hate the media like nobody craves media attention more than republicans for sure specifically mainstream media there are some good ones out there who actually understand that the news is bad and like don't want to give them access but in reality like as much as they say they hate it like they want to be on cnn bro they like it you know they want to go on fox they want they don't i don't know

Speaker 1 so speaking of the politician stuff, what is so Matt Gates? That's something I can't wrap my head around. He had appointed

Speaker 1 Attorney General. That's right.
Attorney General. Yeah, he's nominated to be the Attorney General.
And

Speaker 1 the big thing about him is that he might have trafficked kids.

Speaker 1 Man, that's a weird, that's a weird thing. The details are very strange.

Speaker 1 And to be fair, the DOJ did drop their case against him. Exactly.
So they investigated it and they leaked a lot of the details. So he was never convicted or even prosecuted of any of this.

Speaker 1 And there genuinely was some weird,

Speaker 1 I'd have to go back and look look at the details, but somebody was trying to blackmail him for like $25 million.

Speaker 1 And that's how some of this stuff came out.

Speaker 1 But like empirically, he was definitely like hooking up with very young girls and like hanging out with sketchy people and getting blackout drunk, like all while he was a congressman.

Speaker 1 So the detail, as I understand it, 2021,

Speaker 1 to now, there's been a three-year investigation in the House Ethics Committee about Gates and his behavior that was instigated by an attorney who filed a complaint claiming to represent an underage girl who says that she slept with Matt Gates whenever she was underage.

Speaker 1 Now, obviously, though, she may claim that, but as I understand it, the feds did investigate at least some of these claims. And of course, they haven't brought charges.
Sure.

Speaker 1 So the report itself was due to be released, I think, tomorrow, actually, from the day that we are taping.

Speaker 1 And that report now will not be released because what happened is that Gates got nominated to be the attorney general and he resigned as a House of Representatives.

Speaker 1 So the House Ethics Committee, two days later of his nomination, was supposed to release that, but they will no longer release the report because he's no longer a sitting member of Congress, considering his resignation.

Speaker 1 So there's some background in that. That's kind of sketchy, yeah.
Look, I mean, his behavior has also made it a little weird in terms of, first of all, just what he admitted to is wild.

Speaker 1 Also, why would he be appointed, though? It almost seems like he'd have perhaps dirt on DJT. I don't know.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 I don't think it's a dirt thing. Dude, Gates is just one of, like, he's one of his biggest.

Speaker 1 No, not bros. He's one of his biggest defenders on television.
He's one of those people who will, like, anything goes, like, he's all in. I mean, look, it seems tactical, I'm saying.

Speaker 1 They abandon Congress, have a higher job two days before potentially the shoe drops. You could read that into that if you want.

Speaker 1 That's what I'm saying. But I mean, but at the same time, like, why would Trump go along with that scheme then, right?

Speaker 1 Like, because for this, Trump would have to be like, okay, Matt, I'll bail you out. That's what I'm saying.
That's hence the dirt. I don't know.
I'm just wildly speculating.

Speaker 1 I'm trying to figure out why. Appoint somebody with such a sketchy record.
Oh, I mean, I think that the case is

Speaker 1 a true believer. That's what it is.
He's been all in for Trump for eight years. He was his biggest defender on television.
Trump loves him. He always goes on Fox.

Speaker 1 And he's always, Matt Gates is always like, I'm all in for Trump. To be fair, Gates is an interesting guy, like from my perspective.
He has generally been anti-war.

Speaker 1 He's been sponsored a lot of stuff with progressive Democrats about trying to end forever wars. He's somebody who wanted to pardon Edward Snowden.
He opposed the Julian Assange stuff.

Speaker 1 You'll like this. He's very pro-weed.
He's one of the most pro-marijuana members of Congress.

Speaker 1 I don't care about my. I like mushrooms, right? Okay.
But

Speaker 1 next.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 he had,

Speaker 1 he, yeah, he's actually quite libertarian, is the way he's pro-Bitcoin, you know,

Speaker 1 he's been a heterodox guy for a while. So I'm actually, I'm not that, you know, worried about people hate Matt Gates because, you know, I mean, look, he's kind of an asshole, like, media-wise.

Speaker 1 For sure. He's got a reputation about town, and he likes to come in.
And he blows, he likes to mouth off. Could we put it that way? Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 He's got a bad, like, the Republicans hate him because he's the one who mounted that coup against Kevin McCarthy and got Kevin McCarthy kicked out. So, a lot of the establishment types hate him.

Speaker 1 But Trump loves him because he's loyal and he wants him to root out a lot of the people who are in the Department of Justice who he would see as deep state or enemies or whatever.

Speaker 1 And I honestly think Dates would do that. But I mean, it is crazy because AG is like a real, dude, you're the chief law, like legal officer of the United States.

Speaker 1 Like, you have to determine the legality of president's actions. You direct the Department of Justice and the FBI, like what type of cases we're going to prosecute or not.

Speaker 1 Like you make the call on some really big decisions. Like you have to write the legal justification sometimes for what the president is doing, work with the White House counsel's office.

Speaker 1 I mean, it is a real no-shit job. Like it's a real job.

Speaker 1 And yeah. I'm glad you said that because that was my next time.
I had to go look it up.

Speaker 1 I had to go look it up because I was like, yo, does he even have a law degree? But he does.

Speaker 1 But I was like, I don't know if he's a lawyer.

Speaker 1 That's fucking wild. So it is about, we're about to enter like, you know, what's the Senate and the House are Republican now?

Speaker 1 Two Supreme Court picks, most likely.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Alito and Clarence Thomas.

Speaker 1 They'll probably resign. Although Sonia Sotomayor, one of the Democrats, she's 70, but she does have type 1 diabetes.

Speaker 1 And Democrats have tried to get her to resign because they're like, hey, you need to go so that Biden can appoint somebody. But she pulled an RBG and she's like, I'm not going anywhere.
Whoa. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Damn, because they wanted one. Yeah, can you enter into like a, what's up? Can you believe that she doesn't? These people are such narcissists.
I can totally believe that.

Speaker 1 She so believes in power and that and like not even being part of, I mean, look, I don't really care, but it's more from a liberal perspective.

Speaker 1 It's like, if you think this is fascism and the end of democracy, like, bitch, then resign. Like, what are you doing? Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 You're literally type one diabetic, seven years old, and you're obese. Like, what do you think is going to happen? Look at a fucking actuarial table.

Speaker 1 Dude,

Speaker 1 it is sad, though, if you think about like, even like what happened to Biden. It's like.

Speaker 1 Being that old and being driven by kind of like the power drive until like your brain just falls apart, it's pretty fucking terrible.

Speaker 1 I mean, I i say it's sad but it's also like pathetic and it deeply egomaniacal and narcissist and that's at the end of the day you know that's what it takes to be a politician like that's the truth is uh he by the way has been the same his entire life so i talked about this book yesterday with friedman called what it takes it was written in 1988 it's about the 1988 presidential campaign that's where biden had that plagiarism scandal he's been an egomaniacal narcissist chip on his shoulder guy for his entire life.

Speaker 1 So, you know, what they say about when you get old is it just makes you more of what you already are.

Speaker 1 Like you're just more, you're just, if you're already an arrogant fuck, like you're just going to be more of an arrogant fuck when you're old. Like that's so sad, man.
It's true. Yeah.
That's so sad.

Speaker 1 That was, that was my overarching point with religion. It's like, you need, I feel like as a society, we need a vehicle for self-transcendence so that you don't become a just

Speaker 1 80-year-old walking around demented, like trying to lead the country. Yeah, it's, I mean, at the end of the day, that's like genuinely like self-idolatry.
He's like, I am the one.

Speaker 1 I will stop Donald Trump. I'm the most important figure.
Nothing is bigger than me.

Speaker 1 It's pure narcissism. And he's chiefly responsible for both for being a terrible president, but also for the loss of the Democratic Party.
It really is. I mean, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 If I were them, I would be freaking out.

Speaker 1 I would be so furious. I mean, nobody has fucked their party more than George than Biden since George W.
Bush and his handling of the Iraq war. Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 What do you think the future of the Democratic Party is going to look like? Because I thought the same thing. Like, dude, if they don't like,

Speaker 1 I think they're going to need an outsider camp. They're going to need a Democratic Trump.
Yeah, that was my prediction.

Speaker 1 I, not necessarily Democratic Trump, but if we're in an era, so for example, like Obama like rose from the ashes, right? Because, you know, he was a no-name senator.

Speaker 1 He gave it a great speech, no for big fucking deal, okay? Yeah.

Speaker 1 But then he came out of nowhere. He had anti-war credentials, and Harry Reid is actually the one who was like, you should run for president.
He's like, you're not a good senator.

Speaker 1 He's like, you don't like it here. He's like, get out of here.
Go run for president. He's the first person to put that in Obama's mind.

Speaker 1 But with the rest of of them, like if we look in the past, Bill Clinton also came out of nowhere in 92. We had 12 years of Republican rule, 1980 to 1920, 92.
It was Reagan and it was Bush.

Speaker 1 And Clinton, I mean, he was a no-name governor from Arkansas, but he created this thing, the Democratic Leadership Committee, which like basically moved the Democratic Party much more to the right and made it more of like a neoliberal thing.

Speaker 1 And that's how he was able to win like a major victory in 92. So

Speaker 1 somebody will come. I think that person needs to come from the ashes, though.

Speaker 1 I think anybody tainted by the stain of like wokeism from the 2010s and the Great Awokening onward, on top of like the Biden and all the trans shit and all this, plus, you know, just this whole last decade has been a nightmare, right?

Speaker 1 It collapsed in and of itself. And it collapsed in and of itself.
So anybody really tainted by that at the national political level, they're going to have a tough time, in my opinion.

Speaker 1 That's why, even though I think Gavin Newsom is very talented, and I think that Josh Shapiro, Gretchen Whitmer, Pete Buttigieg, and all these other people, I think that they, you know, they like to believe that they could overcome.

Speaker 1 And maybe, right? Like Trump could fuck everything up and it could be a nightmare, right, in terms of his popularity. And it'd be easy to beat him.
Anybody could.

Speaker 1 But if he doesn't, and if he governs even reasonably well, 40, 50% approval rating, you're going to need somebody with like real political entrepreneurship and skills to be able to rise out of that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and they have, they kind of, the Republican side has a kind of like a, I feel like a deeper roster. They could, people, they could tap that.
Or also like, you know, like RFK. He can like talk.

Speaker 1 He's not like a total robot. He's not Republican, right? So he's whatever independent.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's an independent. He's endorsed Trump.
Yes. Although, I don't think RFK will ever run against him.
I don't think he.

Speaker 1 I don't think he will, but I'm saying they seem to have like a Tulsi Gabbard. They have like a deeper roster of people.
Maybe that's just me because I'm biased, but it's like, maybe.

Speaker 1 I don't know if anyone, like, like you're saying, like, these like newsome booty gadgets, like, I really think they need a new person. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 You need somebody who is totally untainted by the system. And that's really, that's what Obama was.
That's what Bill Clinton was. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, the appetite for, although I will say the appetite, the thing is about the Democratic base is now it's rich white people.

Speaker 1 And the thing is about rich white people is they don't really give a shit about a lot of stuff. They just want to win.
Like, I'm serious. Like they are just like, we want to win.

Speaker 1 They're like, oh, you need to say what? Okay, whatever. You know, like, say it, just win.

Speaker 1 So it is a little different this time because this time around, as whatever narrative they're sold about what will beat Trump, that's who they're going to nominate.

Speaker 1 That's why they nominated Biden. They didn't care what he stood for.
They were like, we need somebody. We need Trump Trump out of here.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 that's what it's going to be like. Bring out the dancing black ladies.

Speaker 1 They threw everything. They were like, Beyonce, Cardi Bill.
So were you as shocked as I was that they got paid? I had no idea.

Speaker 1 I had no idea. I didn't know.
I was so naive. I thought celebrities just did it because they supported them.
If they didn't get paid, it meant because they're at the Diddy parties. They're like,

Speaker 1 you better show my W-2. Yeah.
It's just so weird to be like, we're going to have... A million dollars to Oprah? A million dollars.
A million bucks, dude. She's a billionaire.

Speaker 1 What the fuck do you need a million dollars for? What do we do? I mean, it's a nice little treat, though. Yeah, sure, but give you a bill.

Speaker 1 Don't you already support Kamala? Like, just do it, you know? And that's the thing is, I don't think they're getting paid to say something that they don't already believe.

Speaker 1 But if you already believe it, just do it for free. Like, why would you? I don't think they believe it.
You can't, you can't. Maybe you're right.
You can't guarantee. Like, there's no way.

Speaker 1 There's no like,

Speaker 1 you know, again, it's like Republicans. I'm not like a big Republican guy, but I really like zoom in on like the liberal Democrat, like the modern liberal Democrat type.

Speaker 1 It's like, I don't really see a coherent vision at all. It's, it's all, it's too bought in on the post-modernism, which is, in itself is self-contradictory and goes nowhere.
Definitely.

Speaker 1 So that's kind of what happened to them. They like, it was their, like, Trump was the rights energizer battery pack.
Theirs was like the postmodern racial power versus, you know, worldview.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was very, it's very odd. And it just, it just literally collapses in on itself and it contradicts itself.
Like, you know, there's no hierarchies. It's like, well, who do you prefer?

Speaker 1 Trump or Biden. Well, there's a high, there are hierarchies, all that bullshit.

Speaker 1 But it's like, all they're going to have, if I were a Democrat, like leading the campaign, outsider candidate, and I would come by and be like

Speaker 1 if you're a Trump supporter, I still love you man. That's all they have to that's all they have to do.

Speaker 1 That's all they have to do in the bro I love you the whole dictator fascist playbook that they ran this time that was very stupid You know what they did so I don't know how they're gonna do it man.

Speaker 1 I really don't uh I have confidence that they will figure it out just because people are too triumphalist as in I know I always talk about the 2008 Obama wins right they're like we will never lose an election again James Carville literally wrote a book called 40 More Years about how the Democrats will be in power forever.

Speaker 1 Demographics are destiny. It's over.
It's a white party. And now Donald Trump has won two out of the last three presidential elections.
The last one, he won the popular vote and he won Latino men.

Speaker 1 He basically completed a racial realignment of U.S. politics.

Speaker 1 Imagine going back to 2008 and telling me that. That was only 16 years ago, man.
That's how long ago. And Obama lost his juice.

Speaker 1 They trotted him out to be like, go yell at young black guys. Like, dude, it just is like, damn.

Speaker 1 You sneering. Just like, that's the thing.

Speaker 1 I have Obama derangement syndrome. Like, I hate Obama.
And, like, not for the reasons that, like, white boomers hate him. We're like, he's destroying this country.

Speaker 1 I was working construction when he got elected, and it was a somber day for like

Speaker 1 white. Yeah, like, boomer-age white guys.
They would come into work and be like,

Speaker 1 they were just mad he was a black guy. That was it.

Speaker 1 They came in and they were going.

Speaker 1 It was so, it was kind of funny. Yeah.
But I do agree. I think there's something very sinister about wrapping yourself in that like cultural identity.

Speaker 1 I call him the Instagram president. He's this fucking, you know, he's just this cultural elite.
He's everything that he supposedly stood against.

Speaker 1 And I know the way that he governed, you know, he came and he was supposed to end the Iraq war and the financial crisis he was supposed to solve. He fucked both of those up.

Speaker 1 We had a horrible economic depression for the entire period. I mean, look at it.
If you want to look at the wealth inequality, the explosion, the lack of wage growth that all happened under Obama.

Speaker 1 He got lucky that Mitt Romney ran against him. All the ingredients to be able to beat him were there.
Romney just ran a terrible campaign.

Speaker 1 And then immigration in 2014, he overinterprets his mandate and he's like, you know what? Fuck this. I'm going to do whatever I want on immigration.
And he goes all in and he does DACA.

Speaker 1 And honestly, that is responsible for Donald Trump because what he did is he both polarized the liberal base on the issue of immigration, which was amnesty first, maybe border security sometime in the future, but he also energized energized the Republicans who were like, oh my God, when they have power, they're going to mass legalize literally millions of illegal immigrants.

Speaker 1 And that leads to the 2014, that 2014 executive order leads directly one year later, Trump comes down the escalator and says, no, we're going to build a wall and Mexico is going to pay for it.

Speaker 1 So there are direct consequences for these actions. And immigration is the number one reason, in my opinion, why Donald Trump was elected.
Like, there's no question even more.

Speaker 1 What do you think about the population collapse that's going to come when all the boomers go? I think that's faith.

Speaker 1 You don't think we're going to have have to be just importing people?

Speaker 1 No. And I think that's a very convenient explanation.
I mean, look, at a certain point too, if we're going to...

Speaker 1 If the numbers dip, how is it not real? No, what I'm saying is that the idea that, first of all, that we're going to have population collapse and we're like Japan is just like not true. But there's

Speaker 1 first of all, but the second is there's this presumption that the only way to do it is to import like basically like second-class citizens from South America.

Speaker 1 Did you ever read The Next Hundred Years by George Friedman? I have not read that book. I think I'm familiar with the thesis.
That's his big thing.

Speaker 1 I mean, this is a very popular way that people justify like mass migration.

Speaker 1 First of all, like there's another way, which is you could try both economic and social incentives to change the picture.

Speaker 1 But the other thing is there's something like really sick about this idea that the only way to like increase that the birth rate itself is the only thing that matters and not like what the actual makeup of the United States is.

Speaker 1 And all the secondary and the third, the secondary, tertiary effects of what mass illegal immigration like does to the U.S. economy, to U.S.
society. It makes a mockery of like U.S.
law.

Speaker 1 And like the entire way our immigration system works is just totally fucked up. Like people don't understand.

Speaker 1 Our immigration system is totally unique in the Western world. The entire rest of the Western world has basically merit-based immigration.

Speaker 1 We are the only country still left on family-based chain migration. So what that means is that, so I'm a U.S.
citizen, right? And so, because I was born here, I was born here in Bryan, Texas.

Speaker 1 But the way it would have worked is my parents who emigrated here, their family members have a preference in the U.S. immigration system if they were able to sponsor someone to come to America.

Speaker 1 It doesn't matter whether those family members are, are they college educated? Like, who are these people, right? Like, do you have a degree? Like, what's your job?

Speaker 1 Like, are you able to support yourself? That makes no sense. If you marry it to Australia, they're like, they have a points-based immigration system.
So they're like, a college degree, cool.

Speaker 1 Oh, you speak English? Much higher up at the list. For sure.
That's how it should work. It should be merit-based.
It should be. based upon are you going to benefit the America.

Speaker 1 Now, people get very squirrely about this because it is contrary to the way that what I talked about earlier, the 1800s mass immigration. Yeah, that was my mom's dad.

Speaker 1 Okay, but here's the. Oh, no, it was the 1900s.
Right. But here's a good quote that I heard.
We don't make immigration policy for our grandparents. We do it for our grandchildren.

Speaker 1 So just because some. So in the 1800s, we had what? Industrial Revolution.
We needed a shit ton of basically just like bodies dumb.

Speaker 1 Shovel.

Speaker 1 Oh, you can swing a shovel? Cool. You're fucking Slovenian? Who cares? Whatever.
But that's not how the U.S. economy works.

Speaker 1 The U.S. economy is a service-based economy.
Our manufacturing jobs are high-tech manufacturing. Like, you need to be able to speak English to function in America.

Speaker 1 12 million people illegally entered this country in the last four years.

Speaker 1 27% of them don't have a high school diploma in Spanish, by the way, so they're barely literate in Spanish.

Speaker 1 20-something percent of them have barely completed a high school education by Latin American standards or wherever they came from. And then only a small portion are actually college educated.

Speaker 1 So look, be real. Look at the stats.
What is that going to cost the United States? Are they bad people? Absolutely not.

Speaker 1 But it makes a mockery of this idea of, first of all, of just order, like in terms of being able to just come here, no matter who you are, you just raise your hand and fake, say, I fear for my life.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You're an economic migrant.
Let's all be honest. And if you interview these people, they'll tell you the same.
They're like, I came here for a job. I don't begrudge you.
That's fine.

Speaker 1 But the point is, is that you can't allow that system to be in place where basically the cost of the bill of all this is going to come down to us.

Speaker 1 So we need need to dramatically shift to an actual merit-based immigration system. That's number one.

Speaker 1 But two, what we really need to do is also consider after that period of massive immigration, of European migration, we had social chaos in this country. We actually were becoming like ethnic.

Speaker 1 There was a whole war over this. Teddy Roosevelt gave a famous speech.
There is no hype, we are done with hyphenated America. And hyphenated me like, you know, like, I'm a Slovenian American.

Speaker 1 He was like, no, we're all Americans. We need to be done with hyphenation.
And that led to a complete shutdown, basically, of U.S.

Speaker 1 immigration from the 1920s up until the Immigration Naturalization Act of 1965.

Speaker 1 That immigration moratorium actually allowed for assimilation where the term white became popular because, like, as you know, if you read a book, it asked white Protestants, were Irish people white in 1920?

Speaker 1 Absolutely not. Okay.
Like,

Speaker 1 they're like Lithuanian. They're like, you're Lithuanian.
You're not white. Okay.
That was bad. Just so we're all aware.
That was bad.

Speaker 1 And so the change in that, we need to go through that again.

Speaker 1 Like we need to completely change the way that we've, our foreign-born population has never been as high than previous from the 19, I think the late 1900s, right around when we had the same immigration moratorium.

Speaker 1 We're signing up for the same levels of problems. We're our heterogeneous population is just way too removed from each other.
We don't have a common civic understanding or any of this.

Speaker 1 And the truth is, is that if you just keep importing 1 million people per year, per year, and then the vast majority of them are illegal, no

Speaker 1 disorderly process. Like, dude, this just breaks the civic foundation of the country.
Like, it's just not going to work.

Speaker 1 And I say this to somebody whose parents came from India. Like, but that's my point: I'm here now.
I'm a citizen. Like, I have to care about my children, my grandchildren.

Speaker 1 What country are they going to grow up in? Yeah, and it's also, it's like, so it is kind of a bullshit thing to be like, well, since your parents came, you have to decide

Speaker 1 my fucking mind. Yeah, exactly.
By the way, they left the third world so I could live in the first world and I can make up my own mind. Amazing.

Speaker 1 The best part of coming to America and to the West, anybody who is from like a Western or a non-Western country will know this.

Speaker 1 In non-Western countries, you're kind of like told what to do. There's a path and there's, you know, there's a rigid class system.

Speaker 1 And there's like, this is how we live our lives. And like, that's the best part about coming here, man.
You can do whatever you want. You can say whatever.

Speaker 1 The social mobility here is better than anywhere else in the entire world. Dude, and that's, that was the problem.
I went to school for social work.

Speaker 1 Like when I went to, I got my graduate degree in social work.

Speaker 1 And you were like, if you brought up social mobility, the teachers would thrill, be like, that's a myth.

Speaker 1 No, no, it's not. No, it's not.
I was really big. No, it's not.
They're like, that's a myth. Does wealth give you privilege? Absolutely.

Speaker 1 But actually, I think I read that people who are born in the upper quintile, if you look at the across generations, after like three generations, their kids are usually back down.

Speaker 1 Shirt sleeves to shirt sleeves. Yeah, shirt sleeves to shirt sleeves.

Speaker 1 Exactly. It does have money, extreme money has a degenerative effect.

Speaker 1 Oh, it's like it's obviously incredible, you know, bounty to be be born with a ton of money, but dude, it like kind of warps people big.

Speaker 1 One of my favorite books is The Fall of the House of Vanderbilt, and it's exactly about this. And it's basically,

Speaker 1 I think, 100 years after Cornelius Vanderbilt died, his generations,

Speaker 1 not a single one of them was a millionaire, not one. And the first Vanderbilt after Cornelius Vanderbilt to make anything of himself was one of the only Vanderbilts not to be born with money.

Speaker 1 His name is Anderson Cooper. He is the first Vanderbilt member of the Vanderbilt family to to not be born with money.
The first one who was broke, who made anything out of himself. What the fuck? Yes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's it. Anderson Cooper is the first successful Vanderbilt in like 200 years.
Since Cornelius. Since Cornelius, the Commodore.
Commodore. The Commodore.

Speaker 1 I've heard he's a Vanderbilt, but it's always like he's a CIA. Yeah, his mother was Gloria Vanderbilt.
Yeah. And yeah, I mean, and you read their stories, the money just destroyed them.

Speaker 1 It destroyed their family.

Speaker 1 All of them just became like degenerate dilettantes who became, you know, I mean, they were addicted to alcohol and drugs and they would blow in on these gigantic houses.

Speaker 1 And, you know, they got caught up in the British rat race and they all became dollar princesses. I love the term dollar princess.
Who's a dollar princess?

Speaker 1 A dollar princess is in the 1800s, American industrialists were filthy rich. And the way to have social mobility is they were like, we need to get our daughters married to English lords.

Speaker 1 But the English lords were broke. And so they were like, oh, we'll marry your kids.
So Winston Churchill's mother, she was a a dollar princess, Jenny Churchill.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 they hit the Duke of Marlborough. I forget exactly what his name is.
It was another Churchill. I think it was Randolph Churchill.
He married one of Cornelius Vanderbilt's.

Speaker 1 I think you're the granddaughter or great-granddaughter. Same thing.
It bailed him out. So he literally could rebuild his house.

Speaker 1 And after they got married, he was like, by the way, I don't give a shit about you at all. He's like, I literally told you.
God cared, he's like, I married you for your money.

Speaker 1 He's like, I'm just going to go do whatever I want to do. Like, I'm just going to go live my life.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's kind of, that's good. No, it's horrible.
It's horrible. Her life ended up, it was a nightmare, unfortunately, for her.
Yeah. Well, it's also very rigid.

Speaker 1 I know if you have generational wealth, it's like you have to, you can get cut out of the will, then you're fucked. Yes, there's stuff like that.
There's all of that.

Speaker 1 And then, you know, you have that house, the Biltmore, down in North Carolina, the largest house literally ever built in the United States. It was built by a Vanderbilt.

Speaker 1 You know, it's just, you read about them, like this guy would have like seven marriages in the course of his life. Dude, I did work in Arlen Specter's estate.

Speaker 1 He was dead, and it was, I think, one of the senators from Pennsylvania. Yes.
Yeah. I painted his out.

Speaker 1 Me and my friend helped paint us out. You ever asked him about JFK? Huh? About JFK.
They were dead. He was dead.
I should have asked him, but that's why I think he got a nice little estate. But, dude,

Speaker 1 it was just like his surviving family members, and it was for real, like sad, man. Like, we were in there

Speaker 1 using oil primer, and the lady came in and was just like, this smells. We're like, yeah, we had a, it's fucking oil paint.
She's like, well, I have a party coming in. We're like,

Speaker 1 okay.

Speaker 1 And dude, she started spraying, just walking around as if you were like an inanimate. She would just spray perfume in the room.

Speaker 1 And if you were standing there, she would just go like right in your face. Jeez.
My mom, my mom was a maid for the DuPonts, and she said it was the same thing.

Speaker 1 She was a maid at the house of the guy who was like a, it became like a psycho killer, a wrestler guy. Wow.
She was down there.

Speaker 1 And she said it was like, she was like, I remember it being like, it was a very sad,

Speaker 1 it was just like a sad vibe in the house. I mean, after 100 years, yeah, basically destroy them all.

Speaker 1 And it is very sad because most of them, the burden of what, and it's not just them. I read another book about the Astor family.

Speaker 1 I mean, John Jacob Astor was like one of the first real millionaires in the United States. He was a slumlord in Manhattan.
He was like this Dutch slumlord.

Speaker 1 He was like, hey, he's like, how many of you immigrants can I charge $20 today?

Speaker 1 And then, and, you know, and his family, like, they become these titans of society and all of that. And one of his great-grandson, I think, died on Titanic.
He was the one.

Speaker 1 He was the richest man on the Titanic, and he died on Titanic. His 19-year-old wife, who had just impregnated, she got off.
She had a baby, became the Titanic baby.

Speaker 1 And then, yeah, because he was literally in his mother's womb whenever she was she was saved off the Titanic.

Speaker 1 But basically, after him, and he was, by the way, ended up being like some degenerate playboy. You know, just like he didn't really live up to it.
That is the funny thing. You can achieve.

Speaker 1 It is very funny, though, to be like, you can achieve at the highest level just so your grandson can just like crash a boat while he's like coked up. Right.
Yeah, I mean, that's one day.

Speaker 1 It happens all up on a river. The Rockefellers, you know,

Speaker 1 John D. Rock, he was kind of a psycho, actually.

Speaker 1 His son actually was relatively successful. He seemed like a good guy.

Speaker 1 His son's Nelson Rockefeller, the vice presidential nominee for the Republicans, governor of New York. But after that, things start to drift off.

Speaker 1 And now we're in the, you know, the fifth and the sixth generation. You're like, who? Yeah.
Yeah. The Kennedy family, dude.

Speaker 1 You know, it's like the longer you go down the Kennedy family, you're like, is there anybody impressive in the I saw JFK's grandson going around the DNC when I was there, like filming TikToks and stuff.

Speaker 1 And I was like, bro,

Speaker 1 that's the kids. That's fucking John F.
Kennedy's grandson. I know.
I want to shake him. I'm like, live up to your goddamn father.
Your grandfather. It's got to be a crazy family to be a part of.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. I just want to be like, if your great-grandfather, like, patriarch, could see you, he'd be sick.
He was like, looking around. Just fucking dancing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's like taking selfies and be like, hey, guys.

Speaker 1 Like, you suck, dude. Just lady gaga.
Yeah, I was like, dude, this guy blows. He's a dandy.
It is. He is

Speaker 1 absolute dandy behavior.

Speaker 1 It just does suck because it's like you want to do well, but it's like if you kind of like, you know, if you just try to go for the absolute top,

Speaker 1 it does like without a vision of some sort, you just end up just kind of like.

Speaker 1 I think that anybody who comes into even like a modest amount of money, like you probably need to do some serious thinking. You do?

Speaker 1 You really need to be like, okay, like, what is my life going to look like? Look, children, like, this is why people need to sell a lot of weed when they're 20.

Speaker 1 I did this. I had the hero's journey.
I came into like, I would make like $4,000 a week and just be like shit. Dude, I was killing it.
Well, $4,000.

Speaker 1 I lost all of it. $4,000 times 52 is how much? That's $200-something thousand dollars.
As like a 25-year-old dude, and I got to, like, I got cat. You're not even paying taxes.
Yeah. I pay taxes.

Speaker 1 No, no, no.

Speaker 1 You get the ego inflation. And then, like, I got the rug swept out from under me.

Speaker 1 So that was one of the best experiences of my life to lose all, to get like the ego pump and then to have it just ripped away from you.

Speaker 1 Because otherwise, yeah, dude, if like, if you, if, if you catch that, like, um,

Speaker 1 it gives you the thing like when things are going well i have an understanding like yeah you're a boss they can definitely not go well very quickly oh absolutely and also i would just say i've met a lot of people who are like super wealthy and all of them are pretty weird like every person i know every person i've ever met with a hundred million more net worth i'm like dude you're a weirdo well you can't connect with everybody you can't talk about like if you even broach certain subjects right 80 of people are going to be like you want to know funny

Speaker 1 nice and i was like yeah you know when you're in an airport and he's like oh i haven't been in in an airport in 20 years. And I was like, whoa.

Speaker 1 I was like, oh, because you fly private. I was like, I've never even been on a private plane.
I was like, that's a crazy thing. That was, it was just so casual.

Speaker 1 He's like, I haven't been in an airport in 20 years. I know.
I was like, whoa.

Speaker 1 What a life. Yeah.
Like, what does that even look like? Yeah, dude. I was talking to somebody one time excited about like flying first class.

Speaker 1 And he was like, dude, my kids have never not flown private. And I was like, I don't even think about that.
I was like, fuck. Yeah, but that probably really fucks them up.

Speaker 1 And what are they going to do then whenever they have to fly economy? Either they'll be stoked. Oh, here's the thing.
I remember I grew up in like a upper middle class suburb.

Speaker 1 So like I moved to West Philly and I was in the hood and I was like, this is so cool. And then like, so maybe they'll just be on an airplane and be like, wow.
Maybe.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but I mean, you know, sometimes you're, what is it, like C on Southwest and you're like trying to go for the middle seat or whatever. And you're like, my life sucks.
Yeah, true.

Speaker 1 That's, that's just. And I'm talking about plane.
I mean, now I'm talking about, you know, this, you're Northeast guy, mega bus.

Speaker 1 Like when you're taking like a midnight mega bus to New York City to the cheapest one, and you're like, Well, I'll take a bag, and uh, when I get there, like change in a bathroom, and

Speaker 1 mega bus. We did the China, there was a Chinatown, oh, the Chinatown, Chinatown, the Chinatown, yeah, I know, just a pregnant lady driving it, and you're like, What the fuck?

Speaker 1 But, dude, yeah, it's stomachs up against the steering,

Speaker 1 yeah, for real, dude. There was for real a pregnant lady driving it before.
The drug addicts are like freaking out in the back, and someone's like, Hey, can y'all keep it down back there?

Speaker 1 I'd be like, Shut your goddamn mouth.

Speaker 1 That is true, it is, it does kind of set the bar too high. And then it's like, all you can ever do is be disappointed in life.

Speaker 1 Or, you know, like, you know, I did eventually become very disillusioned with life in the hood. I was like, this is sad.
I was like, this is so

Speaker 1 sad. It's so, dude, it's for real, so sad.
Yeah, because it's the systems are like designed to just keep everybody down.

Speaker 1 I mean, look, they have individual responsibility for sure, but like also

Speaker 1 the way the entire thing is designed. It's like they keep it contained.
Nobody cares. Everyone just wants to pretend like it's over there.
It's dude, it's real.

Speaker 1 like it's like uh i remember me i i bought a house in west philly with my brother when i was like 21 it was like the house dude the house was 27 000 i lived in there whoa yeah it's pretty it was pretty fucking awesome but the uh did you hang on to it did you sell it we sold it and then it got knocked down to me it was structurally it had a tree growing through basically it was bad but the uh but i remember like going into like my neighbor's house and they're like it's funny because when you live there like there are a lot of like Like, you know, when you grow up, like, I grew up with my parents watching Fox News.

Speaker 1 It's just the news being like, black guys are up to no good again. And it's like, so you get this like skewed picture.

Speaker 1 And then you meet the individuals and you're like, damn, these are like some of the nicest people. Then there's, obviously, there's people like just doing monstrous behavior.

Speaker 1 But I remember like the first time I walked into somebody's, like their, my neighbor's house, it's like visually jarring because it's like everything's just fucked up. Like every, there's no symmetry.

Speaker 1 Everything's built fucked up. And it's like, I remember like being, you know, there's just like bugs and just being like, fuck, dude, that's, it was like just crazy.
I know.

Speaker 1 But then it's like, that's why you have to do good. It's like the brutal reality behind all of like the, you know, let's save everyone political messaging.

Speaker 1 It's like, dude, nobody, you have to bail yourself out at the end of the day. You just have to.
It's sad. It's not fair.
Yeah. I look at it.
You have to do it. It's in two ways.

Speaker 1 As in, we have to, of course, like design and move systems to create like a quality of opportunity, but you also have to have a responsibility given the circumstances.

Speaker 1 For example, like, I don't know, any money, anything.

Speaker 1 anything that you're working with i'll often be like what a bullshit for example and you guys probably have this too i you know know, Crystal and I co-own our shows. We're small business owners too.

Speaker 1 And we have to deal with all the small bits. And all of the paperwork and all the fucking accounting and all the shit behind it is mind-numbing.
It's stupid. It makes no sense.

Speaker 1 It's genuinely not fair because these major corporations and all these other people get all of these crazy tax breaks. And we're sitting here trying to figure this stuff out.

Speaker 1 And it sucks all of our time. And it's super stressful.
And I could just be like, oh, it's not fair. And it's actually not fair.
The people who are small business owners, you get fucked.

Speaker 1 Like, that's the reason. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But you just have to do it, right? So I'm like, okay, I'm just going to sit here.

Speaker 1 I'm going to spend 10 hours of my goddamn time learning the ins and outs of all of this to make sure I'm not getting ripped off on my account. Why don't you just pay an account?

Speaker 1 Oh, you double-check the internet. You got to double check, man.
I mean,

Speaker 1 you're, I'm like you, you know, Patreon and all this. I want to be a good steward of other people's money.
Like, I don't know, pissing people's money in a way. It's not nice.

Speaker 1 You can't do that to people. That makes sense.
Yeah. I mean, it's a serious responsibility when you're like, hey, paying me $10 a month.
Like, it's not a fucking joke. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You're like, actually, you have to be a steward of that money for real. Oh, hold on.

Speaker 1 People want to give their money, man. That's

Speaker 1 no, I agree. I agree.
You got to give them something. You got to do something.
You can't just piss it away. You're working for them and you can't just, you know, and it's also money.

Speaker 1 It's like, look, I grew up Indian. So, you know, we're fun.

Speaker 1 Money, it means something. You know, you're taught from a very young age.
Dude, and I don't care how much money you have, like, $100 will always be $100 to me.

Speaker 1 I know exactly what money buys, and I know what it means and what it does. And like, it's still, well, it's funny because it's in where I'm from in Gardner Valley, Pennsylvania,

Speaker 1 there's been like a massive influx of the Indian population. Everyone I know, like people have like landscaping companies, they're like,

Speaker 1 bro, they're like just haggling on the fucking lawn.

Speaker 1 He's like, their lawns are this fucking high.

Speaker 1 They'll be like, I'm not paying it. It's like, my cousin's like, bro, they haggle me to fucking death.
It's really funny. Yeah, fuck him.
But yeah, yeah,

Speaker 1 that's what he gets. But dude, it is a...

Speaker 1 It's one of those things. I feel like Indian, it's like they were out of the race conversation for a long time.
Of course we are. Yeah.
We're the inconvenient minority.

Speaker 1 Asians in general are completely invisibilized by U.S. racial discourse.
Big time. I mean, look, you guys are killing it.
Yeah, we're the richest people in America.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think it's cool. I mean,

Speaker 1 I'll say this. It's not really fair because Indians in America are like so-called like the twice-selected elite.
And so. Why do they say that? Because India is a billion people.
Okay.

Speaker 1 But the caste system where Brahmins, which is the top caste,

Speaker 1 those people. Oh, yeah, so you do know.
Brahmins, 40%. I think it's only like one or two percent of India.
My math could be wrong. Some Indians.
But, you know, 40%.

Speaker 1 So one or two percent of India, but 40% of Indian Americans are Brahmins. So that means 40% of the people here are part of the top 1% to 2% already of the Indian caste system.
Really?

Speaker 1 Yeah, because they're doctors, engineers, lawyers, people who are highly educated. So part of Brahmin culture, that's where I come from too, by the way.

Speaker 1 But no, but I'm saying our family has generations

Speaker 1 of revering education, family. We don't drink alcohol.
We're like, this is how we live our life. Like our life is about family.
It's about furthering the next generation.

Speaker 1 Individualism really is a concept is like not part of that. And that's actually why I think it meshes really well with America is America will drag you to individualism.

Speaker 1 America will drag you to a little bit of consumerism, a little bit of like you can be whoever you want to be. But the backstop that you have is like, no, no, no, no, this is not what we do.

Speaker 1 Like money, we don't spend it on stupid shit. When we have money, we spend it on books, on education.

Speaker 1 So, the my upbringing was like the budget is limitless for anything educational, the budget is like zero for anything stupid.

Speaker 1 And no offense, white people, but I have noticed you have proclivities for new cars and for nice check my ride, bro. Check

Speaker 1 and nice kitchens, and you know, you'll be. And so, I'll be like, So, your kids got $25,000 in debt, and you've got a new fucking kitchen.
Interesting.

Speaker 1 Um, in our culture, that shit does not fly, yeah.

Speaker 1 But that's what I would say, Indians are very successful in America because it's like we're we're both obviously highly educated that's number one but two i really think the culture is a huge aspect of it isn't the way that you revere money you think about family there will there are no indian parents out there who have the money who are not paying for their child's college education it's just it would never happen and in white families there's this weird uh hyper into the like they gotta this like boomer mentality of like they've gotta figure it out because back in my day i'm like well have you looked at inflation like what the i know i know and you know they're like well, they'll get it when I die.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, yeah, but it's actually way more useful to help your child out when you're 18, 19 to 25. Those are the foundational years of your life.
So it's a mindset difference. That was one.

Speaker 1 No, no, dude, I appreciate you saying that. That was the one thing my parents were actually really good about is like, don't go into debt.

Speaker 1 If you ever avoid it at all costs and also keep a low profile. Like, don't, don't try to.

Speaker 1 My dad does spaz. He'll get it.
He has like phases where he has like 57 bicycles in his basement.

Speaker 1 I don't know what the fuck he's doing. but they were very and now my parents weren't like educated really.
They, you know, they went to high school and they got out and that was it.

Speaker 1 But they were very like, that was the one thing I think, that's the thing I'm going to copy off of them. They like sent us to like an all-boys Catholic high school, paid for our college.

Speaker 1 And it's like, that's the one thing with my kids. It's like, I'm looking for schools for my daughter right now.
And it's like, I was telling my wife, I'm like,

Speaker 1 her mom's big on. A lot of people I know are like, the public school is just as good.
And it's like,

Speaker 1 I don't think so.

Speaker 1 I don't, I don't think so. I constantly don't think so.
It's like, I'm assuming you live in a nice area. It probably is.
Yeah, it's it's pretty nice. Yeah, well, then.
A lot of Indians.

Speaker 1 A lot of Indians are not. You're probably fine then, man.
But that notion.

Speaker 1 I went to public school. Yeah.
No, but now the public schools around me are, it's like, it's newly nice. So the public schools are.

Speaker 1 But it's like you compare it to a private school, and it's like, I mean, you've done well for me. I'll give you two cases.
I'll give you the case for one.

Speaker 1 My point is, sorry, before I cut you off, my point is, if you, if you can't afford it, you should spend money on your kids' education. Oh, definitely.
That's all I'm astronomy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. And so in that case,

Speaker 1 it's interesting, but more what I meant in terms of that is sometimes people will be like, I I don't know, like I knew a girl who wanted to take like a graduate test, like study for the GRE.

Speaker 1 And she was like, oh, my parents won't pay for my GRE test, you know, thing, but they have the money to pay for it. They're like, you have to work to go for your GRE test prep.
I'm like, what? Like,

Speaker 1 who are your parents?

Speaker 1 Yeah. In my head, I'm like, that doesn't even fly.

Speaker 1 But if I was like, hey, dad, so if I was like, dad, I need $5,000 for a GRE prep course and I was like 23 or whatever, he'd be like, absolutely.

Speaker 1 But if I was like, I need $5,000 to go hang out in Santrope or whatever, he's like, what? Get the fuck out of here.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 that's what I'm talking about. Well, in a lot of the suburbs that I'm from, I've learned that many of the families are just debt.
It's just like the whole thing runs on a giant balloon of debt.

Speaker 1 And it's like kind of. Americans are obsessed with debt.
Americans are obsessed with consumerism. And, you know, I can't.

Speaker 1 My dad, when he was making good money, he was rolling around in the 1988 Mazda with no air conditioning and 150 degrees

Speaker 1 with his windows rolled down and he refused to get it. He eventually sold it for $1,000 if he put 100,000 miles on it.
So it's like, that's where I come from.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 it's like, do you need a new Raptor truck, Texas? Probably not.

Speaker 1 You know, it's like he's got no offense, but you know, if you look at the average car payment, Texas is the highest average car payment in the nation because all of these idiots are rolling around in trucks.

Speaker 1 You don't need a brand new truck. Trucks are a

Speaker 1 thousand thousand dollar Raptor. It's ridiculous.
Like, sorry, you need a Toyota camera, Hamry, or a Hyundai, or like any of these other cars. They're great cars.
They'll get you.

Speaker 1 So, I am actually a big proponent of Dave Ramsey for the vast majority of people.

Speaker 1 I think Ramsey, his, what you were just saying, I think his like common sense approach, if 95% of people followed their life that way, they would be better off.

Speaker 1 He preaches like avoid debt, you know, don't use credit cards and all of this. I personally am a big credit card point fiend, but you know, I pay it by balance and all this stuff.

Speaker 1 But here's the thing: I think what he gets gets at is what we were talking about with impulse control and all that. It's look, look at the stats.
People can't control themselves.

Speaker 1 They're only paying the minimums. They're taking out 35, 40, 50% debt or whatever on their APR, HELOC loans and all this.
He's taught me about financial products I didn't even know existed.

Speaker 1 I'm like, wait, so people out there are taking two mortgages and then another mortgage on top of that one? How do you sleep at night? Dude, it's insane. Oh my God.
I actually cannot imagine.

Speaker 1 So if for anybody out there who's listening, if you listen to Dave and you actually take at the very least like take some of the advice to heart you know the number one thing is budget too no matter how much money you make you still need a budget and the reason why is you just need to know where your money is going and you need to be conscientious about every dollar that you spend so like you were just saying like you need you and your wife need to sit down and make a choice and be like we're sending our kid to private school that means this is our nut we need x y and z amount per month this is how it looks like and we're saving and this is what it looks like with i'm still i have an open mind right now i'm like i'm i've looked at like four schools yeah and it's like i've noticed a huge difference but it's like if i see a public school that works i would go i don't i don't like one or the other but i went to both so i can make the case yeah so i was very lucky so i grew up in college station i went to public school for the first 16 years of my life my last year is of high school my parents we moved to qatar and i got to go to a very fancy private school they didn't it was part of the deal like an international international the american school of doha right okay so i went from a school where probably the median income of the parent was like let's say like forty thousand dollars for sure to a school where the median income of the parent was probably like $300,000.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like an elite school. It was an outrageously nice school.
And we like, we were flying for school trips. Like everybody there, their parents worked for Exxon.

Speaker 1 Dude, that was one of the schools we looked at. Like, we're going to send your fourth grader to France for a week.
I was like, what the fuck? I was like, no.

Speaker 1 That's what my last years of high school were like. And I will tell you, I definitely loved it.
I loved it. But I would worry.

Speaker 1 that if I had grown up in that environment and anybody out there, if you've ever interacted with people who are in that bubble there's a lot of downside that man like that's when you were talking about the first class thing we went on a school trip once and one of the kids had never flown economy before and we were all flying economy together he was like 17 years old what the he had never been in economy class he only ever flown first and frankly he was a pampered little bitch you know it's like and i the people like that like there is there is something important and i think about it too where you know about the people that i grew up with i didn't even love them that much i'll be honest with you but yeah there was it was it was important I got to interact with people from all across different walks of life.

Speaker 1 I think public education is very important. And I actually think at a young age, too, you know, I think in high school, I could make a really good case if you have the money to go to private school.

Speaker 1 If you look at the stats, private schools send the vast majority of their kids to Ivy League and to other schools, especially if that's what you want for your child.

Speaker 1 But K-through, middle school, it's not really about education, it's about socialization.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and so for socialization purposes, I don't really want my children, just me personally, like to be growing up in a bubble.

Speaker 1 And in that bubble, like I've spent enough time now in elite circles that I can see how dangerous that it really can be to the mind and to how that person can eventually use that privilege in others.

Speaker 1 And first of all, they're over-interpreting their own success. Like this idea is like, they'll be like, oh, we're doing pretty good.
I'm like, you are not doing shit. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm doing good. You're not doing good.

Speaker 1 Like, you have not done anything.

Speaker 1 And yeah, dude, it is it is weird man that's that's the kind of the thing i've been struggling with it's like you know because i don't want to be like getting them older and be like what the you could have sent me to a nicer school and i'm like i didn't want you to be a dickhead yeah but you can also just track each of your children and like what if them one of them is really like there are different types of schools there's magnet schools there's math schools there's uh sports there's drama there's like all these other ones like you gotta see what i would do is i would be like okay but first of all again k through eight is about it's not about education actually a lot of that education my man is on you all right

Speaker 1 if anything you're trying to pay somebody else to teach your kids how to read better. That's that's about you.
You got to do it. You need to step up in the house.
I'm fucking.

Speaker 1 What are you talking about? Did we spell her name yet? But that's what I'm saying. You got to be keeping that shit up every day.
Tutors and children. After school, not even tutors.

Speaker 1 You, you need to be engaged. You need to be making sure that you're sitting there and making stuff this stuff done because that's where the parent really is the most important.

Speaker 1 Of course, you know, middle school, high school, when we start talking about SATs and that's when I think education and the quality of teacher can really make an impact on them.

Speaker 1 But that's by the time they're starting to become like formed as a human human being and may have an idea of what they want to do.

Speaker 1 But those initial years, I think it's really just about learning how to like be a person in the world, about how to interact with others, following rules.

Speaker 1 Like, what does it mean to live in a society and be in like this ordered, weird thing that we call that's the purpose of school, man. For sure today.
That's why homeschool people are fucking weirdos.

Speaker 1 Can we all be honest? Have you ever met a normal one? They're freaks. All right.
It's true, man. Like, it's true.

Speaker 1 I know people who are homeschooling right now that are going going to be pissed at you, dude. I don't care.
I mean, everybody. We met one homeschooled kid.

Speaker 1 Sometimes they do it in pods and they're okay. We met a homeschooled kid in my baseball team, and we drove him to tears.
Yeah, you should.

Speaker 1 And he deserved it.

Speaker 1 He deserved it, dude. But there is a huge aspect of the socialization, for sure.
That is important. For sure.
But then it's like with the public schools, like, what are they getting socialized into?

Speaker 1 Then you look at all the other shit they had going on with, like, you know. Like when like, don't tell your parents if you want to trans, come to us and we'll send you to

Speaker 1 that was the shit that was free. We're living here in Texas, dude.
What are you worried about? You're actually.

Speaker 1 these schools, dude, now all the schools are in Austin. Yeah.
So the schools are like, dude, they're pretty fucking, they go pretty hard with that shit.

Speaker 1 And that's the stuff that I'm like, but I don't know. What about the rest of the burbs around here? Round Rock, Fredericksburg, all those other places.
They can't be there.

Speaker 1 I mean, I grew up around here, man. Like, yeah,

Speaker 1 those are some Bible belts. You've been going for a long time, dude.
Yeah, that's true. You're at your next place.
That place changed. You left, bro.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's true. I guess it's true.
That's that's kind of, yeah, I don't know. I went to a wall.
I won't. We can get out of here soon.
How long have we been doing, Josh?

Speaker 1 Damn, dude, we almost did a Rogan. Yeah, I'll let you out of here in a second.

Speaker 1 I was laughing. Today we toured a because again, it's like I'm going to public schools.
I'm just trying to find, like, I just, that's the one thing I will try to give my kids the best in education.

Speaker 1 Well, you should. I mean, look, there's nothing wrong with doing private school or anything.
I will say today, so we, sorry, I was thinking that I went to a Waldorf school today.

Speaker 1 I don't know if you're ever familiar with that. I know, I know, I'm familiar with what it is.
Dude, I've never seen anything like that in my life.

Speaker 1 And it was like almost, theoretically, I'm like, it's all the stuff I like I like. And I saw the reality of it.
And I was like, no, fuck. It was just like almost creepy.
I agree.

Speaker 1 There was a, there at one point, there was one, there's one dude in the tour. No matter what the person said, he would go, oh, that's so important.
And like, dude,

Speaker 1 at one point, they were like, we have climbing trees and we have trees we don't climb. Those are the climbing trees.
And he goes, oh,

Speaker 1 yes. And then we're in another room and they're like, for math, we have a tactile sensory aspect where we have these marbles and they're actually counting the mark.

Speaker 1 And the guy literally over marbles goes, oh, yes. I was like, dude, would you shut shut the fuck up? That's so weird.
There becomes a point of it where it is like there are some millennials.

Speaker 1 It's like a fake favor. Like, we did the entire Odyssey school play in fourth grade.
It's like,

Speaker 1 yeah, all right, dude. Like, there's some millennial trends, like the Waldorf.
I don't, I need to look more into it. I'm not 100%.

Speaker 1 I think they do well. I think it has like, but go ahead.
I'm sorry. Well, I was going to say, gentle parenting is the one that I've become familiar with.

Speaker 1 Like this millennial trend of being like, they don't say the word no, right?

Speaker 1 Everything is about redirection. And the Indian in me is like, how can you possibly turn out like a well-formed adult?

Speaker 1 Like, actually, a huge, well, I would say a majority of adulthood is learning how to deal with the consequences of the word no. That's literally.
Oh, you want a job? Fuck you. No.

Speaker 1 There's a giant money. Fuck you.
No. There's a giant no hovering over your entire life.
Yeah, it's literally like you're like, or you're like, oh, you want to go on a date?

Speaker 1 It's like, what are 99% of these women going to tell you? No, absolutely. No.
You're a loser, actually.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I go back. So it's like, I grew up in like the rigorous old school.
Like, you know, if you get in trouble, you get hit, all that stuff. I do think that's not a good idea to do.

Speaker 1 Probably, I think. I think it's genuinely, it's like, you know, I don't think it's the end of the world, especially if you're not like getting drunk and like coming in for no reason.

Speaker 1 If there's like a rhyme and reason to it, it's not the worst thing. But I do think the

Speaker 1 punishing physically makes you as a kid like, I'm not going to tell my parents anything. That's right.
I don't want to get smacked. No, but they need consequences.
They do need consequences.

Speaker 1 Like, you take away the things that they like or be like, you're in silent treatment or stuff.

Speaker 1 I think consequences are really important because, man, when you get shielded from it and honestly yeah you know even even i remember like that first time when you're 22 years old and you graduate from college and you're actually out on your own and you really are like you're like oh my god like this is this sucks like

Speaker 1 so now you make a bad decision and you're sitting there you know and you're like holy dude and this is on me and i'm by myself right now nobody's gonna bail you out right now and i'm telling you the worst the worst possible is when you're making bad decisions and it's paying off because eventually it all hits you and you go oh and it comes for everybody, dude.

Speaker 1 And you go, oh, man. And the older you get, you go, there's no way I got to live my way through this now.
And it's like, bro,

Speaker 1 dude, thank you so much for coming. I can talk to you forever.
I can talk to you forever, dude. I really enjoyed it.
This is actually pretty fun. Dude, thank you, man.
Appreciate you. Thank you.

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