Ep 565 - The Entertainer (feat. Steve Crawford)

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Hey guys, welcome to Matt and Chain Secret Podcast.

We're doing a little road episode.

I'm in Ontario, California, recording a comedy special.

What we are

recording an intro for my newest special that'll come out eventually.

And I met you, Steve.

Steve Crawford, dude.

Great to be here.

Lifetime Entertainer.

That was a crazy day we had.

I mean, yeah, it was mostly you.

You were doing stunts and shit.

So, this guy, don't let him fool you.

Wow, wow.

You got actually

got hurt a little bit injured.

Your ribs are messing up.

Well, that should be nothing to you.

You're a stunt.

How long are you doing stunts for?

Exactly.

That's the problem.

So now I'm all broke it down and soared.

So I did Daredevil stunts on the road for 30, 40 years, and that was for State Fairs Festivals.

How'd you get into that?

You know, I was a kid.

I had a childhood hobby of magic.

My mother told me about the movie Houdini with Tony Curtis, and I watched this thing, and I watched him get locked in the water tank, and his appendix burst, and he dies.

But something

affected me differently than it did the other people watching, and it grabbed me.

You watched the Houdini, so you saw him die in the tank, and you're like, I did.

I'm like, oh my gosh, I want to do what this guy's doing.

That is so cool.

I mean, if you're going to die, let's die in a water tank in front of an audience.

Sure.

We're all going to die.

But didn't plan to die and didn't die.

But I was lucky.

I had a locksmith that lived next door.

He taught me how to pick locks, and I really became a big Houdini fan.

And your name, your stage name was Houseini, right?

As a child, I went all the way in those days, actually all the way to college,

Houdini names, you know, with somebody Eani, everybody Eenie.

So I went with Houseini.

Can you hold, my beautiful assistant is here.

Would you hold the microphone?

I'll show you one of the first tricks I learned.

This is a quick one.

do you ever use mail?

It's always women, why never like sexy voice for the assistant?

I think you gotta hold it closer.

Somebody told me that.

That was you.

All right, here we go.

A little dollar bill trick.

Here we go.

So, a lot of kids start with this stuff, which I did at the library.

Picture of Barbara Bush.

I don't know if you can see that, or kind of looks like a barbara up there.

I always thought it was a kid, anyways.

No, we we fold the dollar up in this trick.

What we want to do is make it come out backwards or different or upside down.

But in this case, it actually changes

you a $99 difference you get a hundred dollar bill so uh money didn't really become the motivation to do it but it kept me doing it you got the you got the philosopher's stone you could do alchemy transfer the lead into gold we could do that it's true I will say I picked up many many dates as a child pretending to be a real wizard and I could do real magic and read her mind and you wouldn't believe it's magic is a great way to meet girls don't they

wanted to ask you about that that seems I watched the reel of you.

That was the Oklahoma,

what was that, the hockey team, right?

Oh, you saw one of my sports events during the losing.

Yes, my question is, though, when you're a magician, because you're a magician, actor, stunt man,

you do it all.

You're a general entertainer, a real entertainer.

Everyone thinks they're an entertainer now, but you are the real deal.

40 years of locking in the, what, getting locked underwater, acting.

You know, it was a funny thing when I was growing up, I was the only entertainer that I knew.

And I mean, I met people who helped me in the business, but

I did my shows.

And now I look at social media and everybody's an entertainer.

I'm like, I'm the only one on there not entertaining anymore.

Your blood, sweat, and tears.

It's in the world.

The world has changed.

Everybody's entertaining.

Well, here's a question.

So with the magic, you're saying it's a good way to meet girls.

When's the first time you converted magic skills into just some,

I don't know how graphic you want to get.

So often, well, I've got one true story,

and it's a no joke there's a victim's protection order on file in oklahoma hold up bro

on you or the person on the girl who had a fatal attraction and and it was it was it was this that uh in 81 i opened for alice cooper i was just his opening act we did some illusions and i was a good guy uh backstage i met with the people who won the radio passes to come backstage you know and friendly and the band members were sleeping with people and all that i didn't get any of that and one of the rules i hold

how old are you back then?

Well, I was very young.

I was 18, 19 years old.

It's crazy.

But yeah, one of my earlier gigs

back in college days, I was in college when we hooked up for that.

But I had been meeting girls in clubs and telling them I was psychic.

So I felt bad about that.

This even in high school and would read their mind.

And of course, it worked.

You know, they're just, oh, we've got this connection.

But I had a rule I would never go out with a girl that I met at a show.

Because what they see in the show is not who you are.

I mean,

you're playing a role.

You're a daredevil stunt guy with security around you.

I mean, you're playing this image, right?

Or you're a funny guy in a show, whatever it is.

So those people don't know you.

And I made, I broke the rule one time.

And boy, it was crazy.

Young lady, you can look up, it's still in the file of the court case.

But yeah, she

tried to come on hard to me to marry me all of a sudden.

I'm like, what in the world?

We just met.

You gave her one taste.

She lost her mind.

And exactly.

And I told her, her words to me were, you know, what she said, I should have killed you when I saw you at the state fair in September.

I'm like, what?

And she grabbed the wheel of my little convertible that was icy out and crashed it and then broke in my house later, stole stuff.

There were gas stoves in those days.

I was a single guy and turned on all the gas, blew out the pilot lights, and

then attacked me through the back door.

So everybody on our city block there went to court and we won.

Bro.

But I learned my lesson.

How many times did you pipe her down?

One time.

It was once.

She got to taste the amazing woman.

She's got a lot of world.

And I just don't know.

I don't know what to say about it, except, you know, I don't think it's a good idea to commingle.

That makes sense.

That's kind of smart.

You were that smart, that young, to keep it separate because

that's a good insight to know.

Like, dude, this is all glitch and glam.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's true.

I learned the lesson.

So I really wanted to ask you about that because doing the county fairs must have been crazy.

Like, what were some of the stunts you, what was like the craziest stunt you did at like a county fair?

You know, everybody had a favorite and so I

at state fairs were primarily we did about 25 state fairs starting in September through November.

West Palm Springs, Florida kicks off early February and Shreveport, Louisiana, not my favorite fair, but that's that was ran right into Thanksgiving.

So there was a ton of fairs.

And so we had ground acts, family shows, animal circus, kids' circus.

I did circus sideshow, illusion.

So we had that going.

Then I book a secondary act, which was the Daredevil stunt.

So one of those was locked upside down in the water torture cell that Houdini inspired, strapped to roller coaster tracks in a straitjacket, had to dive out of the way right before it crashes through, you know, from a screen.

And yeah, hanging from burning rope straitjackets in the air.

But there were other markets for swimming pool events.

I let people, anybody with a backyard pool, could hire me, bring their padlocks and chain me up to weights and throw me in the pool.

And for five, if you had $5,000, I was available to do it.

And some close calls, but we did.

I've made it through that.

What was a close call?

Well, there were a lot of close calls.

I wouldn't even know where to begin.

I don't know what it was that was.

So here's the question.

There were some accidents.

Someone hired you at their pool to escape and you died in their pool.

What's the deal with that?

I would sue myself.

So I had a $2 million liability policy that if myself or anyone else was ever injured at one of my shows, that it would pay off.

So my first step would be to sue myself because I was injured at my show.

It's kind of tough.

That was kind of my plan plan anyway.

Get rich off the accident.

So what were the babes like at the county fair?

Because I know Alice Cooper, obviously, you're probably crawling, but like at the county fair, what's that like?

Well,

exactly.

Use your imagination, you know, and the smaller the fair, the smaller the town.

Yeah, I love small town.

I'm from a small town.

So,

but people are, to be honest, you know, we joke about that, and there was a lot of flirty, you know,

horror types, I guess you could say, but there was a lot of very, very sweet people.

And I mean it sincerely.

My favorite guests, they came every year, every year, just really good people, honestly.

Yeah, that's cool.

That's cool.

Because I always wonder about that, because that's like, and you kept it to the code that whole time.

You just only broke once for that one lady.

Absolutely.

You know, I think it was my fingers.

I always practice with my fingers.

You want to see a finger trick?

You want to do something like that?

We're talking about the host.

It's another magic trick.

All right.

Lovely assistant.

I'm going to have you lay your mic down.

You got to do this one with me.

All right.

Would you hold this for us?

So,

actually, magicians, we do use our hands to exercise a little bit to get our magic going.

If you do this, hold your hands like this.

Clasp your fingers together.

Now, wiggle your first finger.

Wiggle your little finger.

Good.

You're very good, talented.

You're so okay.

Now, separate.

Now we're going to go down.

Now, can you keep turning till you go all the way out?

It's a little bit of a stretch.

If you're watching this, try it at home to get all the way out.

Now, reverse your arms and lock on like that.

Except, can I hold them up high?

There you go.

Now wiggle the first finger and the little and go,

oh, oh,

Linda Blair taught me that one, actually.

What'd you do?

Twist your arms around, right?

Oh, I didn't do that.

I couldn't do that.

I didn't either.

Anyway, I tried.

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You want to hear a county fair story?

Yeah, please.

You got time?

Would you come back?

You're so good at this.

I love it.

Tripped with a couple of jokers.

And hold on.

We're missing one.

We're used to

standing up.

What kind of comedian sits down?

I told you I would stand.

I have no problem standing.

So I've got a story how I lost some money from a guy running a little scam, a little gambling game at a fair.

And it went like this.

I thought, being a magician, I'm going to win all these carnival games, right?

Yeah.

This guy had three cards at his game.

One of those was a Joker that he was using.

He had a second card, and it was a Joker.

And then he had a third card, which was actually

an ace.

He said, this is the money card.

Now, what you got to do is keep your eye on this ace.

All right, here we go.

I noticed he made a shifty move.

I thought he put the ace on the bottom.

When I guessed the bottom, well, actually,

I lost my first dollar.

Now, then he said this.

He said, look, I'm not going to mix the three cards.

I'm going to leave them in the same sequence, the three, and right now give you a second guess.

Now, I said it was the top card, which cost me a dollar.

I said, I knew if it wasn't the bottom, it had to be the middle.

And, well, that would cost me a dollar.

I said, okay, now you're using more than three cards.

He said, that'll cost you a dollar.

I said, you've taken the ace out of the game.

He said, well, he said, that'll cost you a dollar.

Anyway, I owed him five bucks.

Here's where he got me.

He said, look, there's an ace.

Would you hold that one?

Yep.

He said, here's a joker.

He said, if you can still tell me the name of the last card, if you hadn't forgotten it and all this, you win your five bucks, double or nothing.

You get double your money.

I said it was a joker.

He said I owed him $10.

So

I did learn, watch the games that you play at the carnivals while you're on that subject.

Yeah.

Yes, do you ever beef with any carnies?

Because that seems like.

You ever beef with any of the carnival folks?

Nope.

In fact, there was a little,

what was the code?

If you ever got in trouble with a guest, you holler out, was it Rufus?

I can't remember.

It's been a while since I've been to that market, but all the Carneys jump in and help you.

Really?

They do.

They watch each other.

They watch your back, the entertainer's back.

That was one of the first things I learned.

This kind of a family.

It's kind of cool.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

So what would you do then?

So if you were on the road like that and you weren't

taking advantage of the babes not in like a bad way but i'm saying they're like they're all they're plentiful i would imagine what would you do like you just chill all day and like do magic like you're talking about i'm sorry at the after the show yeah yeah what would you do there was no break uh at a fair you're we you know you open up in the afternoon you do some shows you run them into the night and and then you go back and you're just wore out you know you've been outdoors all day typically a lot of indoor events but yeah and go back to your room and hide really

get some rest because you got to do it again the next day when the fair ends on a sunday night you got to pack your

tear down, hire help.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Big tear down, load your trailers,

head on down to the next one.

So, what about the one thing I wanted to ask you when we started is like, what's the relationship like between a magician and a magician's assistant?

That seems like it's an erotic.

I don't want to keep hammering on this, but it seems like an erotic situation.

Like, how do you handle that?

Yes, it could be.

It's all you keep it in the back of your head.

So, unfortunately,

they never knew.

They never knew my thoughts.

No, I actually very respectful.

Yeah.

We'd hire dancers.

We would hire people that, you know,

were there for the art and did a good job.

And honestly, we became good friends.

I never made a move on an assistant.

But there were some I certainly liked.

I think they liked me, but we just left it at that.

You're professional as hell.

I guess that's how you do it for 40 years, man.

Otherwise.

40 years.

It was that long until I could get out of it.

And I did comedy clubs in the 80s.

Did I think about that?

No.

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So I had three comedy clubbacks, and it was an agent that convinced me to do this.

Keeping in mind, I'm an actor.

I wanted to be a comedian, but I never really was that funny.

I mean, honestly,

I didn't think.

But so we developed three acts that we booked into the comedy clubs.

And one was a pickpocket comedy thing and one was a monologue with some magic.

And the third one is the reason I got out of doing comedy clubs.

I had a problem.

with myself doing this with anybody.

I went right in as a headliner.

I think a comedy club, you need people to start in the beginning, an opener, a middler, you know, and then you work your way up and you got real talented comedians out there.

But I had an act that just booked the year up like that

right off the bat, went right in as a

headliner because there was no choice but to put it there.

And what Wyatt booked was the ticket sales, and it's the hypnosis show.

So I became a certified clinical hypnotist.

Oh, that's you major in psychology.

I majored, I was actually an acting theater major with a minor in psychology.

But then I became a member of of the National Guild of Hypnotists, and I went into these sessions where we learned how to hypnotize people.

And I screwed them up.

I messed with them.

You had to work with real people, right?

And tell them that their watch is gone.

Well, I would really steal their watch.

And then I would touch their eyes and then put my fingers here and say, you're going to feel something touch you.

And then I would touch with my other hand.

And I was doing magic on these people, right?

And then when we came out, all the guests are sharing the stories of what happened.

And the certifiers are like, what?

What happened?

He did what?

And, you know, even with kids, we hypnotize kids.

But honestly, people are crying.

They're talking about their problems.

I thought, I would never be a doctor.

I could never be a clinical hypnotist.

At the shows, people will get hypnotized.

But in shows,

it was

an animal.

So,

so yes, a comedian to me is not a hypnotist or vice versa.

That a comedian is a comedian.

And so here we are in there, booked as the headliner, because you're going to do a lengthy show.

You've got to bring people up an hour.

And it's got to be in that spot.

And it was a very popular act.

So there was a change at the end of the 80s where there were less comedy clubs.

So I got in for commercial reasons.

Again, and I like to switch things up because I get bored, change the market some.

And

the clubs are going down.

And so I had an opportunity to stay on.

And I think I heard that Jokers was one of the clubs we were working with wanted now their people to go with them full-time or something.

There were some changes going on.

And I thought, you know what?

There's some great comedians that I met while I was out there.

And those guys, they deserved the comedy club.

So

I left it out.

I got out of there.

Principled man.

So what were the shows?

So

you would hypnotize people and steal their stuff?

So pickpocketing was actually a separate thing.

But in the what I was referring to, when we were practicing with real people and real problems, we would go into a room with them alone as part of your training to get certified as a clinical hypnotist to help you with problems.

And I just couldn't resist.

I'm like, oh my gosh.

You tell them their watch is gone and now they don't see it.

And you show them a coin and you tell them it's a different coin.

And they believe it's a different coin.

How does it work in these tests?

Well, this is all through mental programming.

You relax a person.

Hypnosis works this way.

You get some in a very relaxed state of mind.

They go into an alpha pattern.

And now you can speak to the subconscious mind.

You don't have to go to a clinical hypnotist to try some tricks at home.

For example, if you're worried about remembering something tomorrow, a better word is recall because it's always in there, but you want to be able to recall.

So you relax into this, like you're falling asleep, right?

Very relaxed.

And then you look and you picture the shower curtain and tell yourself, when I see this shower curtain, this thought will pop in my mind.

So you won't forget it.

Yeah.

And watch the trick to this is the fun thing about it is this.

The next day, a year later, 20 years later, when you see the shower curtain, it will pop this trigger in this thought.

And you go, wow.

Then you begin to realize, oh, this stuff really works.

It's not all just a show.

I mean, a lot of it is a show, but that you can really do that.

Or the subconscious mind is so amazing.

Most of us have an internal clock in the subconscious mind.

You tell yourself, I need to wake up at a certain time as you fall asleep.

Watch if you don't wake up either at that time, sometimes on the minute, but usually just a little before because you know you got to be up at that time.

Your brain will wake you up.

So it's about relaxing and getting into the subconscious.

Gotcha.

What was like some of the crazier things you did hypnotizing people?

In the shows?

Well, making people rigid, laying them on two chairs, and standing on their body.

It was not a magic trick.

It looked like one, but they're so rigid.

And then a friend of mine, Dr.

Roy Bellows, was hypnotized.

The next thing I heard, he's in court where somebody came back later and said that they had some back injuries.

Stand on the back?

I threw that one up.

Well, you stand on the front.

You put their feet on one chair and their head here, and then you walk on their body.

What?

It's a classic.

It's been around.

Man, women or just men?

Well, that depends on your fetish.

I mean,

I don't know.

I might try that tonight.

I might try to jump on a lady during my hours, jump right on her belly.

It's squisher.

Hypnosis.

But yeah, it's a lot of fun.

They become space aliens.

They, you know, race

fun acts in the shows, in the shows.

Yeah.

Were you ever tempted to use the hypnosis for like evil purposes?

Not on women, I mean, guys, whatever, just like tricking people, getting like a clone army going.

You know what's really weird about that is people ask you, too, have you ever used your lock picking skills?

Yeah, true.

You know, haven't you ever been tempted to break in?

No, I mean, you could take a brick and throw it through the window tomorrow if you really want to break in.

It doesn't change you at all.

You're still who you are.

Yeah.

Well, every locksmith knows how to kind of pick locks.

Well, sure.

But they're like, well, no, I don't want to break it anywhere.

You don't need to pick locks to break in somewhere if you want to break in, but we don't want to break in anywhere.

You really don't change it.

And hopefully, the people that are that do take advantage of their skills like pickpocketing.

I'll admit, as a kid, we used to go down the street and take people's wallets and practice and stuff.

And I'm like, oh, I'm not going to steal from anybody.

You know, I got to get their money back.

But we wanted to practice on strangers and we did.

I'm like, I can't do this.

How do you pickpocket?

What's the well, you don't have a...

If you ever watch a,

do you have a buckle straw with a strap on it over there?

I can't see what you, nobody got.

So, you know, like, give me your hand.

And so somebody got a watch on here.

You grab here, and you would literally pull back.

Oh, you pop this shank, and yeah, and you squeeze it.

And when you pull it away, they don't feel it.

So, you look for that style watch as a first choice.

Yeah, and it was in my comedy club act.

I'd bring the person up and then I would wave it in front of their face.

I said, Okay, I'm gonna hypnotize you.

You're getting sleepy.

And then we'll try a post-technology suggestion.

The watch is looking familiar to you, and they're like, Oh, that's my watch.

You know, so it was an inherently funny comedy act.

And then I would have them tie my hands behind my back.

And it's an old routine, Harry Keller, I think the magician invented, where you pull your hand out and back in over and over.

So I'm flashing the guy's wallet behind his back and show it and flashing this and flashing that.

So take it, and then return their keys or something at the end as a finale.

We had an occasion in a comedy club once, which caused a real issue, is I added a new bit.

So I walked into the audience and I grabbed the proper watch and started picking,

actually, let me go with you.

Would you mind helping me?

And took a different guy, but I had this guy's watch.

So the finale,

the new change in this act was at the end, after returning this guy's stuff, everybody laughs.

I point the guy in the audience.

Hey, don't laugh.

I got yours too.

And you get an extra round of applause, right?

I forgot I'd taken it.

It was a brand new act.

It was in my pocket.

And I left the place with this guy's nice watch.

And I'm like, oh my gosh, I got it.

So I actually had to call the manager of the comedy club and he put out an announcement.

And somehow, he got a call from the right guy.

The guy, I was at that show, and my watch disappeared.

And he's got your watch.

What?

And we gave him his watch back.

So

everybody thought it was funny and quite amusing.

I don't think they knew if it was part of the act or not, though.

It is nice to know,

if you ever need to, you could be a master thief.

Obviously, you wouldn't do that, but it's.

It's very true.

It's absolutely true.

There's nothing, and there really is nothing, no lock that can't be opened, or there's no item you can't escape from.

Handcuffs.

I know you can escape.

You said.

So you said the records were escaping from handcuffs?

Yes, sir.

I wasn't going to mention it.

But I have a world record.

Well, that's boastful.

So less than two seconds.

Came front page news as Steve broke a world record with the Escape.

We're ready.

I've got the stopwatch.

Okay, go, G.

Ow, out.

Whoa, yeah.

Let me see these.

All right.

Very good.

Look at the stopwatch, Steve.

1.47 seconds, and that is less than two seconds of record.

Congrats.

And I only sent you one picture.

of, and I just want to share that.

When I was stepping away from escapes, getting older, just a few years back,

I started doing something unusual for law enforcement groups.

I actually got a phone call from a former chief of police, and

he was in Oklahoma, and he calls me and he says, Steve, we've got a problem.

People are getting out of the handcuffs.

They're getting out of their jails.

And they're escaping these things.

And they're turning this stuff on the cops.

They're leaving them for dead or, you killing them.

One, we need your help.

And they had a budget, so they would have to pay me to come in and teach them.

I said, well, I'll teach you how to get out of things, not with, just to show you how

easy it is to do this stuff once you know,

is I will show you how to escape from padlocks, handcuffs, and things with items around you.

And then I'll do it after a search.

And then I'll do it without touching anything, which is a matter.

Well, so we went with two things on the cop car and I've got some photos I can send you is

a piece of wire from the windshield wiper.

Sometimes I put a person up by the windshield wiper and you take this flat piece of metal, you can shim the cuffs open through the notches.

You're not really picking the locks.

Wait, so how do you get the piece of metal again?

Where is it at?

Off of a windshield wiper.

So you'll see some photos.

I'll send you this later today of me holding a windshield wiper out in front of a police station and then actually with it in front of the cops showing them how to use that and then a piece of metal that I found in the the back seat of a spring of a car if you could dig in to get it but um and then another one was picking uh padlocks with the stem from reading glasses or glasses which is actually two pieces you get a shim you get a and then there's something completely different which is going through the shank of a padlock so anyway i'm doing this stuff and we go from local police to i was connected put up with an organization uh that was with the criminal justice system and it was uh called the MacGyver 101 and it was a three-day weekend.

They had a guy that was a narcotics, a federal bureau of narcotics there,

another guy in weapons.

I was the only one that was a non-officer.

So I don't know if you can actually Google on YouTube, somebody put it on there once, the handcuff escape and a prison escape.

How'd you escape from the prison?

There are several ways.

So I gave him one of the methods that with certain cells you can use,

that people would take shampoo bottle,

toilet paper, remember things around you, and block the bolt hole.

And when you slam some of those cells, it's like it's shut.

That's not the, I don't give away my best secrets, believe it or not.

I really don't.

So this is the one I gave them.

And I had cops said, oh, we had that happen.

We actually had a guy get out of the cell that way.

You know, this stuff's really going on.

And that's why I'm not afraid to share it.

I think the best,

but we were shut down, and I will tell you this too.

So we're doing these federal things.

And I know we got to go quick, probably, but

I actually

told them I had a second hobby, and it was sneaking into places, testing security at places.

So, I was hired, trying to make sure I always wanted to do that.

I always wanted to go to stores, like show them how much I could steal from them, and then go, Here, here's how I did it.

So, if you really want to see this stuff, I'll send it to you.

I was making this part of my business.

We had some customers that I would show them how I could get through their security and get past the bomb squads.

And some of these things were so easy.

Do you get onto a plane, you think?

That's what I was leading up through.

No, really.

Big time, big time story.

This is the story.

So I've got the photographs to show.

I told them, in my observation, the TSA at the airport is the absolute weakest security in the world.

And I can get, and I got an arsenal of stuff through it.

And I will show you, I kid you not.

Started with things like metal signs from, you know, about this large surfboard.

And finally a big metal sword, which I've got a picture of my wife angry looking at me, and it's not a fake picture.

She didn't know I did it, and I put it under my jacket.

And so, what was going on?

There's a person, and

here's, gosh, I'm going to share this right now because I'm not supposed to share this.

This is what ended my career with the law enforcement.

I love this story, and I'm sharing it publicly for the first time, and it could get me in some serious trouble.

I kid you not.

So, here's what was going on.

I said, I can, I said, okay, first is I called it the magic trick.

We'd go to the airport.

I've got all this on video pictures.

And you've got all these TSAs standing around, right?

An abundance of them watching.

I want to get that number down.

When I say the magic words, Abercadabra, all the, a big group of them, they all leave, leaving a skeleton crew for me to work with.

And it works every time.

Abracadabra.

How?

This is what they were asking me at

the

how do you do?

Is it hypnosis?

No.

So I would hide a bottle of water in a backpack or drop it in somebody's person while in line yeah and one of my demonstrations i use my nephew uh which i because he's was an in on it but you can stick it anybody they get flagged these extra bodies are here just for that reason you got a bottle of water they're going to take you off and they're going to so you can control get these people out of the right now they're over there no harm no no foul the lady or person gets to leave just a bottle of water right but you get rid of them now the next step was this there's this

uh tray this table where you roll all your stuff around and you put your stuff in, right?

And underneath, there's nothing there.

It runs right up to, I guess, what's designed to be a portable x-ray machine.

It's got wheels on it.

There's a gap underneath this thing, right?

So this is blocking the view.

You got the people on the computer looking straight down.

You got this guy over here telling you, you got to take your shoes off.

You got the guy over here, making sure nobody needs help.

And you got people crawling all over the floor, putting shoes on on the other side.

So I would drop the item in the floor and kick it underneath the machine, right?

And I, and I'm snapping photos, which is illegal, I found out.

I'm snap, and I've got a ton of these from like 20 airports, kick it.

And we were showing them on the screen, showing how I got this, that,

and trying to get something done.

So the MacGyver 101 team, the people I work for, they wrote a letter to the White House.

I guess the criminal justice system did.

And we got a nice letter, and I got a big certificate.

Wonderful, all you stuff you've done.

This is going to cost some changes.

We want to fly you to Washington a certain month for this roundtable thing they do once a year.

And

my stuff would go right to the government.

Suddenly, my sister, who lives in Hawaii at the time, gets a call.

I don't know why the guy couldn't find me.

And

I didn't answer my phone, but and says, we need to find your brother right this minute.

Where's your brother?

She said, what's going on?

He said, well, they're coming to arrest him and go to jail.

She's like, what?

She said, if you know how to get a hold of him, you must find him right now.

So I said, What's the matter with what you guys are talking about?

You told me to call this number if I ever got arrested going through the airport.

And you would tell, they said, Well, that's the thing.

You know, we normally work with this.

We tell them you're testing it.

Or we would, um, we would, you know, talk to the judge, and you're working for us, you're helping.

Yeah.

And he said, no, he said, the TSA are pissed.

He said, these guys, they say they're going to make an example out of you.

What?

You're guilty of several felonies.

Not only did you not work really, you're not a lot in law enforcement.

Yeah, yeah.

That you took pictures, you manipulated officers and bragged about it out of the area and endangered lives by showing people how to how to do this who'd you show though I put it all over social media

everyone and I told them I was gonna do it I said let me tell you something I'm not gonna be part of a cover-up yeah I said if if we show the public what's going on they'll change it yeah for sure because I am not so egotistical to believe that I am the only one on earth who's going to see that and could do it.

That's pretty smart, though, to kick it under.

They made some major changes.

so if you look at my photographs of airports and or you have a good memory go to the airports now and they're all a little different you can tell they're experimenting they've changed some things they've got a wall they're putting now

under the thing that runs further back so you can't control something right up to the to kick it under they're they've got a machine now to bring the carts back around that they've made they they're finding ways to complicate this thing and i'm very thankful that that happened but how did they arrest you how did you get out of that so they were coming they were looking for me and my guy he says i need you to hide i'm about what he goes i'm dead serious he said because if they if you if you get arrested we may not know where you are it's like federal stuff too yeah he said you know it's a tsc he said these guys are not joking here he said they are mad they're never they're never joking so

he said we're gonna fight with him so he came back he said it's been resolved there's three conditions one is we can no longer hire you.

You lost the gig.

You know, no more teaching the officers that we got to end this.

No more airports.

No, no, nothing.

Number two, you you got to delete all your social media posts, which I did not do.

I still see some pop up in memories, but somebody deleted some of them.

Um, and they said, and number three,

they want to meet you in person.

I'm like,

why do they want to meet me in person?

He goes, I don't know.

They just wanted to, see, no, I said, I'm going to do everything but that.

Yeah.

Because that sounds like a trap.

Yeah, really.

Turn yourself out.

Idiot.

But anyway, so no, I

never, they said, oh, and he told that part of the condition, not only can you not tell anybody what you did, you can't tell them why you can't do it anymore.

This thing just has to go away, right?

Really?

Yeah, just disappear.

So, that's why this is the first time I've shared it.

And I'm a little upset.

That's why I'm doing that.

Yeah, that's kind of what I'm sharing.

How big was a sword you got through?

How big, what?

How big was the sword that you got through?

Oh, my gosh.

I should have sent you that picture.

It was from the floor to here.

What did you do with it once you got through the security?

Well, I carried it around, but it looked like this.

Did you play weird looks with the sword?

Well, the photo that I'll send you,

we're at the gate where my sister is flying one place, right, from one plane, and my wife's there.

My wife said, you can never do this stuff when you're with me, which I didn't typically.

And so I had two versions, right?

Some of the stuff I just carried on me and tossed it down.

But I usually use a jacket, okay?

And I would use the jacket to kind of drop it to get whatever it was on our head.

I got you, I got you.

And then when I'm down tying my shoes, I would retain.

sometimes something got stuck under there it wasn't a sword but i would just crawl over there and get it because everybody's on the floor putting on shoes this is the weakest thing i've ever seen in my life you know

and uh one of the officers even saw me once and i said i dropped my wallet

underneath the guy

but the sword uh

so we're done through we got it through to the gates and that's that's from there on it's really no big deal and but i'm saying goodbye to my sister and i'm holding the sword in the photograph behind my back and you see my wife going

And I had somebody take the picture, right,

of us leaving,

saying goodbye.

We're hugging.

And she's just going,

so she's still mad.

She knows you got that thing on you.

She's very upset about that.

So that's a real photo.

I will show you.

I wanted to put it back on.

social media even after it was so funny that's when some of this was going down and you know my cocktails how long ago was this

seven six seven seven years i think before I moved here.

I don't know why in my head, I feel like if a crime happened seven years ago, you're good.

So, and that was one of the reasons I left where I'm from, Oklahoma, was that to move to California.

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Fact is, I had studied acting in college and always wanted to be an actor.

I thought you were a great actor.

You did great.

Thank you.

I think I love doing it.

It's really something I've worked on since a kid and I want to do it as a career.

And it was one of those things where I was going to come out here right after college, but I couldn't.

I got trapped in my career.

Once you start booking annual stuff, now they're going to book ahead.

You're booked that month this year.

So they book you the next year.

And next thing you know, 30, 40 years have gone by, and you're just.

And so it really took covid as well to shut everything down and i said i'm never looking back you know to to go into acting full-time did you get any big uh long-term injuries from doing like stunts and stuff covered with them are you really absolutely um yeah covered with them i did an air show stunt did an escape and i had a bad landing how high up

more than 10 000 feet uh but it's not um it was an escape from a box which was a thing where the audience thinks that they're gonna i was actually booked by a man named Etzel Ford.

He has an air show team, and he came to me.

He said, I know you do stunts.

He said, Can you do something for air shows?

He said, We need a new act or something to go with us.

And he said, In air shows, in most shows, you want people to think you're going to die in a stunt show, but in an air show, you want them to know you're going to die.

And I said, Hmm, I had the idea.

What if the audience thinks they're going to die?

He said, Even better.

So, in this effect, I dropped in the plane in the box, and the audience is told it's falling out of control.

So, they take it up in a plane, and the audience can see the chute open and they go, Steve was open to chute.

He's carrying the box back over the drop zone.

So now I'm holding this box, it looks like, till I get over the area.

Wait, so are you releasing?

You're in the air?

I'm with a chute.

Oh, you're holding it

to what it looks like.

And then I release it and pull these toggles and land.

Well, the truth is, you can't hold a box when a chute opens in the air.

So I'm wearing this harness we had made down in DeLane, Florida, by a company, real nice.

They make tailor-made stuff for stunts and air shows and things.

And a strap attached me to the box.

So I have this strap.

And as I get lower, I release the box and would open my chute.

So the problem is anytime you get two lines, FAA-approved stunt is safe.

I was angry at them.

I said, you guys weren't honest with me.

Anytime you put two lines in the air, you run a risk of danger, of line entanglement, which is exactly what happened.

The chute came out, wrapped around the strap to the box.

So I've got a chute there.

Not the end of the world.

We've got two chutes.

Cut away your left one, pull it on your right one, right?

So now I've got this chute open with a strap and a box, which is what it's supposed to look like, but there's an additional piece there that shouldn't be there, the first chute.

Right.

So it's causing you to go like this.

As I go down, you can't look down when you're lowering.

Skydiving is a weird thing.

You can't tell how low you are by looking down.

You have to look at the horizon.

So about 50 feet from the ground, looking out that way, you can tell where that is.

You slow your descent normally, right?

So, in my act, I cut away and then slow my descent, right?

So, the horizon is just doing this.

I couldn't tell, and I was, I couldn't cut it away because I didn't know who I'm going to kill, right?

This whole thing could land anywhere.

So, I'm trying to focus to see where I am.

And that's the last thing I remember.

I had a concussion.

I've got the short socks, you know, the nerd socks.

You can see the scar right there.

Why are short socks nerd socks?

I saw you in one of your acts.

Someone in the audience brought that up and you showed them your socks.

And

you don't remember that?

It's on YouTube right now.

It's on right now.

You're having to yell things out of the audience.

And one of the guys says something about this short sock.

Oh, it's a boy.

Yeah, they were saying black ankle socks.

They were saying that.

Yeah, yeah.

So here's, you can see the scar right there, right?

Damn.

Yeah, I got one on both sides.

But I broke my hip.

I broke that ankle too, but this one got crushed and most of the entire parts came out.

It took forever to heal from that one.

Broke the jaw.

I've got scars on my arm still from it.

So this was a long time ago.

So it took forever to get well.

But I had a shoot opener to be dead.

You know, it was just what you'd say, a hard landing.

And I tell you, you know, it amazes me.

People of the old army, those guys never did have

an opportunity.

They always came down hard.

I don't know how they did it.

It's commendable that they would ever put up with that.

But yeah.

so yeah i had spikes through my body one time uh there was a guy who'd hired me before it was a thing where i used to get chained in a chair and we'd had a martial artist with a screen with spikes and he would come running down i'm gagged and he would kick through this thing after a 10 second countdown and i would roll under him basically yeah

and so this guy hires me and he says can you do this act i'm going to have people bring stuff to the show i'm like you know i'm exhausted and he's got a pole in the stage like a flag pole He goes, we're going to wrap you around this pole instead.

I'm like, okay.

And I said,

we'll do a pair of handcuffs.

Give me 10 seconds to get out.

And then he has people bring stuff to the show and brings it up on the stage.

I'm like, what in the world is he doing?

He's the EMC.

He had hired me 10 years before.

Was it EMC?

What's that?

You said EMC?

He was the MC of the show.

Oh, the MC of the show, I got it.

And the promoter.

He had hired several acts.

So he brought me back for this finale and people were chaining me up.

And I'm like, okay, I said, I need a full minute to escape from this.

He gags my mouth and they get the screen ready.

And he says, how many of y'all think Steve can get out of this in the 10 seconds he originally promised?

I'm like, hmm, whoa.

Punchline's got to be coming, right?

Got to be a punchline.

And

everybody applauds.

And he says, put it in place.

And he stands up and he says, 10.

I'm like, are you kidding me?

What?

And I'm like, I didn't have a chance, right?

So I just turned my back to the spikes and this thing.

And I've still got here.

What the fuck man crush and the sad thing and i wish my brain had been in the right place to not move an inch that the audience broke out into applause because they thought i disappeared and instead i'm i start moaning and moving and i'm stabbed you know but i wish i had not done that now i didn't realize well if you didn't move you would be fine they thought i was gone the curtain would have shut you know into the show and everybody thought i disappeared And then this thing starts moving.

They're like, uh-oh, you know, so anyway, I'm like, dude, why did you do that?

He goes, I thought you were kidding and he said man i've seen you a million times he goes i thought you could just

exactly

and you're out i've seen you do it yeah it's kind of crazy to confirm that thanks how many of the spikes oh my gosh oh one of them yeah went right by my spinal cord you know oh

i didn't i'd been paralyzed what do we have time to do another magic trick or we don't i think we have time

Well, the one thing I wanted to ask you about, we have a half an hour.

We're good.

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The one thing I wanted to ask you about, we'll definitely do some more magic.

You used to be able to hold your breath for four minutes.

Yep.

And now you said you can't hold your breath that long anymore?

No.

And nor do I know what happened.

I've had,

you know, a lot of things started to change.

I used to be in, you know, very good physical shape.

You might remember seeing some of the older photos

for an audience, you know, and I,

you know, I was starting to develop some intestinal issues, Crohn's disease, which I kind of hid and

continued.

Some things were going on.

But yeah, I started as a kid, holding my breath, and I was on the swim team.

And they always hated it.

I was horrible swimming on top of the water.

So I would always dive in and go all the way to the other side.

And as soon as we come back, emerge, you know, to finish it up.

So, I get in on their bike.

What stroke were you doing?

What stroke were you doing?

Oh, that was just a regular bicycle, you know.

Oh, dude.

Maybe we just be submerged the whole time.

Oh, for the first run, all the way to the end.

And when I'd come back, I'd come up to give them a few, a little bit of fairness.

But I was fast under that water.

There was no rule how long you stayed under, right?

So I well,

if there's no really rule in the books, how long you stay, but I practiced all the time.

And so,

yeah, I was comfortable sitting on the bottom of a pool, shimming locks, picking locks, manipulating them open that people would bring.

And, and, and, you know, in all honesty, you get eight or ten locks.

You don't have to open all of them.

People didn't realize that necessarily, but you know, you open the key locks.

And, but I was comfortable.

And then I would, I would spread this, pace it out.

I want to give the audience a good show.

Somebody asked me when I was coming out of one of my water.

effects which I could do the lake and the box and

uh all these you mean you come out you're exhausted you're coughing up water you know are you really suffering or is it all an act?

No, I'm really suffering, but it's all self-inflicted.

I stayed, it would stay down there.

You stay underwater as long as you can until you absolutely can't stay under the bid and come up, you're going to be really breathing off.

Did you ever pass out underwater?

Uh, actually, I did one time, I did once too.

It's fucking terrifying.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

How'd you get you get pulled out?

I don't know what happened.

Uh, we were at a ponkin theater in Punk City, Oklahoma, which was supposed to be a haunted theater, and we had some weird stuff happen with the water tank, an older water tank.

Um, when they were trying to pull me up a double pulley system where I go up easy.

Started fighting them.

They're pulling this thing.

They're trying, you know, we don't know what's going on, right?

And, and we got this on video.

And they kind of get me up.

And it's this big A-frame.

I'm hanging upside down.

There's a roller thing.

I mean, you got your feet and these stalks, right?

And then you got this thing that runs up to the top of this.

where they pulled you up and they roll you across.

They're having so much trouble.

I think, man, this thing's going to break.

Something is wrong here.

So the minute we got up there, I said, get me over the tank quick because they're holding your hands.

And I mean, the second I was there, it broke.

The weird thing on that night, the break had nothing to do with the pulley system.

It was a, it was a piece of steel that they would use for mountain climbing, right?

They held the stalks and ones, but that thing just broke.

It shouldn't have broken.

And another place had nothing to do with the tension.

So there was two issues.

Really three because the water was boiling after we put a little bucket healer in hours before because it was ice-cold water.

Should have taken a day to heat it, but the water was like boiling hot when I almost went in it.

And I'm glad I tested it.

So this was like a haunted theater, and everybody's telling me all this haunted stuff's going on.

I'm like, you know, I just hadn't believed it.

And then all of a sudden, everything starts going downhill.

So when I hit this thing, I didn't get any air because I wasn't prepared, right?

So it's a one, two, three, four, fifth one, hold it, go in, and I'm good for a while, right?

In this case, I was probably on the exhale and I went down.

So when the stocks came down, they couldn't get the lid on because it fell so fast.

You got to hit it just right.

Yeah, yeah.

And the guys are fighting with it.

And I've got a guy sitting right over here who's a spotter who does nothing but watch me.

And if he sees me make a signal, something's wrong, cut it.

Yeah.

I'm like, cut it.

I'm looking, where is he?

He's not there.

First rule and daredevil stunts.

Don't change anything.

Don't improvise nothing.

This guy left his post to run help these guys get the lid on, right so i'm trying to get my part to get out of this thing and i blacked out uh the next thing i know i'm in the floor so i i had fallen but i don't know what happened i literally don't remember jesus very peculiar experience for sure very very terrifying uh for sure

Yeah, I was just swimming with my friends and we were like drinking and I think my, I was using my kids' goggles, so they were super tight and they were just like cutting off like blood in my brain.

And I tried to go back and forth in the pool and I was coming back and I just, I don't remember, I like remember coming out of the water, just lungs full of breath.

I somehow just propelled myself out, like kind of blacked out.

And then I fell forward again, just hit my chin on the edge of the pool.

Water is so dangerous.

And even for an escape artist, and I, you know, I don't like to tell all my secrets, but I would do everything I can, you know, I could do to make these things safe.

Like chained up, thrown in a pool is that

I would have a signal, you know, to something's wrong.

And we would tell the audience, well, they'll have to jump in and and pull these heavy weights all the way to the shallow end to get me out.

Well, the fact is we had a rope with a hook on it.

But then I'm like suffering later.

And I'm asking my guys, because could you see me?

And you know, I really couldn't see that well.

You know, the water was tornated.

I just couldn't see it.

Or we're in a lake.

I almost died in a lake.

I showed you a picture of this, I think, yesterday coming out of the lake

that was totally unexpected.

Wooden box was in a lake, and I did what I had to do to open it, but the wood had sealed.

And I mean, it was a tough sucker to get out of there.

Once I got out, I'm exhausted.

I'm trying to work my way up.

Lo and behold, we've got quicksand or something underneath the water.

Um, when I get to shallow enough to walk, it takes me down, and I'm like pulling.

It's hard to get my wet, my head on, you know, wet shoes.

They're gone, yeah, yeah.

And I mean, I'm fighting to get my feet out of this, and my guys are coming out.

So, the photo, I may or I've got on my phone, if you can see, but they're coming out to try to help me, and then they're sinking.

Oh, fuck, five guys, ten guys are rescue guys they can't even get to me and i'm just like and i'm so tired uh so water yeah

it doesn't just it didn't scare me but it's a water didn't scare me like some things like height scare me yeah yeah but but it's very dangerous yeah it is peaceful though underwater i have little kids and i we'll go in the pool and every now and again i'll just disappear from my whole family underwater for a good minute and it's just absolutely just the best just to go underwater i can't hear anything for yep and that was my life you know circling back to a question you asked uh i would sit there underwater and comfortably do my thing and enjoyed the peace and quiet until it was time to come up.

But then one day it changed.

I just lost that ability.

It's crazy.

So I went to a doctor and I said, we got a serious problem.

I'll get bookings.

I said, listen, I can hold my breath a lot longer than this.

I can't hold my breath.

I don't know why.

As much as I practice.

And so they even did a heart test, massage my heart.

They said, this sounds like it's a heart thing.

And no, your heart's fine.

And they finally said, listen, whatever weirdness it was that you were gifted with to hold your breath for four minutes is just gone.

Whoa.

You know, your body's changing.

It's just time for acting.

You know, it's time to go to become an actor.

Like, I got to survive the last.

So the thing that changed was I went from a comfortable performance because it's a show, even if there's danger, even if it's tough, you know, it's still a show, a comfortable performance to put on a good show of fighting against death, struggling, you know, to a real fight against death where I'm going as fast as I can and suffering every minute.

Did you still keep doing them even after you?

No, I didn't book anymore after that.

But I finished my contract.

I mean, I had bookings.

I, you know, had a religion about it that once the deal is made, you know, you don't pull out.

Once you sign, you're going to be there.

And I mean, I don't recommend this for everybody, but it's the truth.

You know, I did a show with a broken leg once,

not that break, another one of her roller coaster.

I had to go do a second show.

Don't break your leg on a roller coaster.

Well, that was this thing where I'm strapped to the roller coaster.

I think I showed you those pictures, the straitjacket, and we put a screen up and the roller coasters come in.

I have to dive out before it comes through.

And I did this a long time ago.

Yeah.

Way back, Frontier, excuse me, Spring Lake Amusement Park in

Oklahoma City was the first one I did.

And that was in college, way back.

Some other guys have done it since then, but it was my original act.

And

there was a way I knew that the roller coaster was so close, right?

So you don't want to jump out too early or it looks boring.

So you got to wait till it gets there.

Did you think it caught your leg?

What?

Did your roller coaster caught your leg, you're saying?

No, no,

I thought it was closer than was.

So, it's like with

flying that, you know, you don't trust your eyes, you got to trust the instrument.

So, I had a way of knowing where it was that I didn't trust it.

It sounded like it was there.

I'm like, I don't have time to jump up and land on this platform.

So, I just went under, straight down under the tracks and dropped 15 feet.

Oh, Jesus, broke the ankles again.

My poor body, you talk about, I had a total hip replacement last November.

It got so bad I couldn't walk that you're the pain.

And I'm like, no, I'm too young for hip replacement, doctor.

But that's the best surgery you can get, boy.

I tell you what, I'm, I'm, really?

Yeah, I can't tell.

I've ever had a problem.

I'm not as limber as I was, but I will say that, you know, because you're not allowed to stretch after six months or something.

But yeah,

we live with it, and I think it was all worth it.

Nice.

And the one thing I wanted to ask you about, because I found this kind of fascinating.

you were on, what was the TV show you were on, the cooking show, America's Worst Chef or something?

Ah, that was very recent.

Yeah.

Last year, it was a year before.

I lose track of time.

I'm doing my acting thing and there's a strike going on.

And

I was on a series, an Eli Roth Scary series, which was still on, Max playing an exorcist.

And we were going to have additional.

shows and we got shut down for the strike and I'm like, oh man, this sucks.

And so I asked the union, well, what can we do?

They said, well, you can do reality shows.

So I am the world's worst cook.

I'm really horrible.

When I was single, I would throw everything in a bowl, turn on the stove high as it would go,

stir it up, didn't care what it tastes like, throw all the things that you need to eat in your four front groups and eat them.

But I was on the road eating out

my whole life.

So then I marry a girl that was a great cook.

And she doesn't allow me in the kitchen at all, period.

You know, she made a mess when she leaves to see grandkids or something, you know.

Yeah, yeah, I've rent the microwave, I've done this, but um, anyhow, um, so I auditioned and got on uh World's Worst Cooks, uh, I think is the pronounced that way, yeah, yeah, it is worst cooks in America,

season 27.

Um, and uh,

yeah, 27 lady, that's crazy, Chef Ann and Burrell.

I think I'm saying it right, yeah, you know, she died here just two weeks ago.

That's nuts, man, and it's just so sad.

She was a great lady, yeah.

We had a lot of fun on the show, you know, of course, she's yelling at at you.

And, you know,

we're hamming it up.

The bad cooking was all real.

People think I made that stuff up.

You know, we hammed up the performance a little, but it was

all real.

But yeah, we're really shocked.

And

I had a great time, though, and some great memories.

And sadly, she was going to take a break from the show, but she told me she wanted me to come back.

And so did the producers.

They occasionally do reunion shows.

Sure.

The worst of the worst.

And they're going to have me back because we had such a good time.

and i wasn't sure if i wanted to go back i thought is this really the image i want with my acting yeah but now that we lost her i'm like you know what if i'd known i'd have definitely gone back quicker yeah yeah very nice lady yeah it's a shame she died i didn't realize that show had so many seasons it's crazy nor did i i've heard it once or twice before that you know yeah i didn't really watch it yeah because like triple d's got to be at what like 30 seasons like diners drive-ins has to be at least like 30 something seasons yeah it's got to be i haven't seen that in years is it still on i think so i think it's actually shot in like fucking 8K now.

I think they really stepped up the production on

D3.

Interesting.

But yeah, let's set some tricks, man.

Let's close this thing out strong.

All right.

You're on.

Here he is.

Sorry to make you wait so long.

Oh, that's okay.

Happy to hear.

What made me think of this when you talked about the spikes and cutting and a little bit of rope magic today?

Okay.

But you're going to be my assistant.

Oh, nice.

Speaking of, I don't know if you can get this.

We just stabbed my neighbor over here.

Maybe you've heard of the famous trick where the rope floats up into the air, someone climbs the rope.

That'll be you.

Okay.

Disappears, and then the rope falls.

Have you heard of this?

No.

The East Indian rope trick, very famous.

Well, that's okay because I don't know that one, but that would have been a good trick.

All right, now I really do know some weird things with rope, though.

For example, have you ever wondered what happens when you take the ends off the rope?

You can actually get a loop of rope when you do that.

But to do the trick I want to do today, I'm going to need two ropes.

They have to be exactly the same.

This is where you come into the trick.

So, would you hand me

the center of the rope?

It's got to give me the middle, right here.

All right,

Mr.

Microphone, would you agree?

If you cut it here, that would give us two the same link.

All right, that's the spot selected.

Very careful.

Take the scissors, don't cut the fingers, just cut the rope.

Grab the scissors.

I'm gonna give you a nice injury right there.

Don't cut the white cord either.

All right, uh, but we're a little off on the link.

That's okay.

I'm gonna have you even these out.

Let me line them up straight and ask you to cut this off right here.

That should do it right there.

Where are you on?

Right there.

I think that should make them exactly the same length.

All right.

Now we have two ropes.

Okay.

We need two ropes exactly the same length.

Would you mind cutting that right there?

Just give it a good cut.

There we go.

Right there.

It's a way to do it.

Now we have two ropes exactly the.

Have you ever had something called deja vu?

Yeah.

Have you ever had something called deja vu?

Have you ever had something?

Yeah,

you heard that one coming, I bet.

Here we go.

This is the Abercadabra.

Abercadabra.

All right, we're just going to start all over.

Here we go.

Now, to do the trick, I really want to do today.

We're going to need two ropes that have to be the same length.

That's where you come into the trick.

Grab the middle of the rope and just lift it up, hand it to me.

And would you agree if we cut the rope?

Here we'd have two the same link.

Like pretty fair.

Would you grab the scissors again, cut it just like you did before?

Here we go.

And

we're a little off on the link.

Would you mind cutting this?

You know what?

Rather than go through all of that again, I think if we just do the trick, we can actually correct the link.

So, let me give you a good view.

You look like a good knot, right?

Hold on to the end of the rope real tight.

Don't let go.

Watch the knot.

You can let go now.

A lot of people think it's a trick knot.

That is

why I always like to untie it.

Come here.

So everybody can see it is indeed a real knot.

Yeah.

All right.

Now, Matt, would you like to put two ropes back together yourself?

Yeah.

I know you can do it.

Big fan of yours.

You know, I got a carpet named after you outside my door at home, too.

Actually, all right, I'll get the situation for you.

Always been a big fan, by the way.

Thank you for having me.

All right, sure.

I'm going to tie the ends of that one.

We'll give it a cut.

And I want you to pick a rope.

Do you want to use the one I just tied and cut or the rope I'm going to cut right now?

I'll take the one you're going to cut right now.

Which one?

This one?

Yeah.

Let me give that a cut.

I always give you a chance to change your mind.

Would you like to change your mind or keep the mind that you have?

Okay, I'll keep the one that you have.

I'm going to keep his mind.

All right, here we go.

So we're going to tie these together for you, just like that.

All right.

Hold it on the end.

All right.

So, you won't be able to do the magic wave because you've got a mic.

So, instead, say the magic words.

Alec Azam.

Alecazam.

Say, oh, what a great magician I am.

What a great magician.

You don't have a hand.

Take it in your teeth.

Pull the knot off like a real escape artist.

Ah, you did it.

Hey.

There we go.

Good Good job, man.

You can keep that as a souvenir.

I will.

It might be worth pennies someday, right?

Yeah, how'd you even do that?

That's crazy.

You did it.

You did it.

True.

Magic's in me.

We can do another trick if you want to show you how one is done.

No, I would never reveal.

I mean, do you want me to show you how a trick is done today?

If you want.

I thought magician had to get killed for that.

This is a special show.

It's the secret.

True, true.

Yeah, show me the secret.

You got to show me the secret true.

Can we take a seller break?

And we'll take a look at the next one.

Yeah, take a break.

All right.

We'll be right back with the secret for the secret broadcast show.

Okay.

Sorry.

We're cutting back in.

Let me know.

All right.

We're back.

The interview portion.

I think the interview portion is concluded, but now we're doing tricks.

All right.

That's a good interview.

That was a great interview.

Had fun.

Thank you.

Thank you.

I had fun.

I will talk in the microphone, but we're going to give it off in a minute.

But first, a little word of magic we promised.

We're going to be doing some miracles right now, many as they were done thousands of years ago.

Maybe you heard of this one.

It's called Walking on Water.

Thank you.

No,

I was about to tell you, you just got promoted.

We do hold both of these things now.

Okay, thank you so much.

Oh, he's lovely assistant and Mr.

Microphone.

So beautiful.

Okay.

This is definitely one of the things we're not going to have a relationship with our.

I don't know, man.

If you put me around all those carnies, it could get kind of weird out there.

All right.

So, what are we going to do?

Well, this is a secret podcast.

I'm going to reveal a secret for you.

Oh, here we go.

Show you magic tricks, show you how it's done for this trick.

You need a handkerchief, a scarf, and a left hand.

You put the handkerchief or a scarf all the way in the hand, like this.

Okay.

You make something called a magic pass.

We know what a pass is, right?

I'll go up to Mr.

Microphone to go hide.

Not doing that kind of pass.

We've already established that.

A magic pass.

You do this.

Now we have an egg, and the scarf or handkerchief has jumped into my pocket.

Yo.

As promised.

All right.

You ready to see the secret?

Let's see the secret.

Actually, I bought it by mistake.

If you ladies need some out there, this is the secret.

All right.

Different secret.

All right.

Yes, the secret to the magic trick.

And this is a trick egg.

It's a plastic egg laid by a very sick bird.

and there's a hole in the back of the egg.

Kind of a letdown when you see how these work.

And you need two handkerchiefs to do the trick.

All right, here's what you do: you hide the egg in your hand, hold both hands the same, you come out in a natural way.

Whatever looks natural, for sure.

Take the handkerchief, wave it around like this.

Actually, that depends on the company that you're

you know, you don't want to drop it either.

True,

anyway, sorry,

you're getting getting paid, right?

That's all that matters.

Okay, here we go.

He's actually really wealthy.

Oh, okay.

Really?

Yeah.

Well, maybe we could renegotiate this relationship after all.

You didn't tell me that.

Okay.

So.

He's in the top 3%, I would say, in the country.

Wow.

3% of what?

Earners.

Earners.

Earners, really.

Amazing.

Apparently, it's a huge dick.

I don't want to get weird, but anything.

He's got a huge dick, too.

Oh, yeah.

Money, big dick.

I guess you're getting a lot of fans right now.

Gosh, I didn't plug my Instagram.

You guys follow me on Instagram.

Plug it.

What is it?

Entertainer, Steve Crawford, Entertainer.

You type entertainer, I'll pop up.

Why did I do that?

Because I'm from Facebook country and I'm trying to get some new friends out here.

So

nice to meet you guys.

Okay, so where were we?

Oh, yeah.

You hide the egg in your hand.

You hold both hands the same, come out in a natural way.

Take the handkerchief and you start placing it in your hand.

But we know it's going where?

In the egg.

In the egg.

It actually goes all the way into the egg

you make the pass you show them the egg and you tell everyone that the scarf or handkerchief has jumped into your pocket now there's a couple of quick rules i gotta why do you show them the egg can't show the egg well you show them that it has turned into an egg

but just a few tips he's got a point first of all you know don't show anybody the back side of the egg right that's important

wow wow wes and make certain the handkerchief in your pocket is the same color as that one that's in the egg

it just doesn't match that you're not going to fool them.

But what do you do if they see the back of the egg?

I mean, where you guys are standing, you can see the red.

Well, you don't tell them it's a handkerchief.

You can tell them you cut your finger, you're painting it.

Chicken banged his head trying to get out.

I may even be a magician, but as you probably got to feel for it, I'm an honest guy.

I try to be honest.

But here's what I like to do: make a real magic pass,

peel the hole off the egg like that.

Crack the egg so everybody can.

Hold on a second, brother.

Yo, you tricked us.

That is a real egg.

You tricked us.

Oh, gravity

and that's what i like to do and that's a magic secret you tricked us bro you didn't give us the secrets that's awesome that's a good secret

i lie a lot you know i but you know it's a trick all right that was pretty cool thank you very much hell yeah thank you steve been fun appreciate you

bye goodbye that was great