697 - Bo Gritz - Part Two

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Speaker 39 You're listening to the dull-up on the all things comedy network. This is an American history podcast where each week, I, Dave Anthony, read a story from American history to a grifter.

Speaker 39 Gareth Reynolds, who knows what the topic is,

Speaker 39 who doesn't know what the topic is going to be. You

Speaker 39 cat

Speaker 39 out of the cat.

Speaker 39 That's called birth. That is birth.
Yeah, the cat had a baby. You know, cats can have

Speaker 39 a litter of cats can have more than one father.

Speaker 39 Did you know that? No. Yeah.
A litter of cats can have different fathers. Those dirty little cats.
They get out there and that's why they keep howling after they get banged once.

Speaker 39 They're like, keep it going. They're like, man,

Speaker 39 lady cat is having a night.

Speaker 39 You know what's always made me laugh about cats? They have litters and then they use litter. Now that's pretty interesting.

Speaker 39 I thought we were having a good time with the facts. No, no, no, but just think about that for a minute.
Now that must get pretty confusing down at the old cat factory.

Speaker 39 Hey, how was your litter? It was good. I used it this morning.
I pooped in it. You pooped in your litter? Of course.

Speaker 39 What else is it there for? Those are your babies. I mean, not once they come out of me.
That's what poop is.

Speaker 39 Your babies? You pooped on your babies? Yeah. Well, no.
Then why just say the letter?

Speaker 39 Oh, man.

Speaker 39 Anyway, you can watch Gareth's I'm a Cat stand-up tour, which is just cat material, him as a cat. You can go to GarethReynolds.com, click tour, and there's a cat tab, and just hit that.

Speaker 39 Oh, this is part two of the Bogrites. What? Oh, yeah, right.

Speaker 39 August 30th, 1993. So

Speaker 39 Bo's come back from. Can we just say

Speaker 39 part one?

Speaker 39 He's come back from his latest mission.

Speaker 39 And

Speaker 39 he... Whoops.

Speaker 39 Yeah, he's come back. He basically answers the question: what if Steven Segal was a war grifter?

Speaker 39 Well, he's now an icon.

Speaker 39 He came back more famous than ever. He's the one brave man

Speaker 39 who has enough balls to go back to the Southeast Asia.

Speaker 39 We've been on a hate tour. I just started hating Hollywood.
I already hated politics. The military I hated, and now we're hating like the talk show circus.
Sure. Yeah.

Speaker 39 He's going to save our POW boys, right? He's the one guy. He's the one, even though in actuality he hadn't saved anyone.

Speaker 39 In fact, created one POW and then abandoned him and then fled to America. But still, he is now seen as like

Speaker 39 this

Speaker 39 badass who's going to get our boys back. That's great.

Speaker 39 Yeah, now it's time for Bo's big reveal. A congressional subcommittee invites him to present his evidence.

Speaker 39 The nerves that must have been gone through. You think he gets nervous or he's such a liar that he's like, I got this.

Speaker 39 I think he's a liar. And I think that he's getting so much positive feedback from the press and the talk shows and everything else that, yeah, that he thinks he can say whatever he wants.

Speaker 39 So, the congressional, this is this hearing, it's the biggest spotlight he's ever going to have on him, and he's ready for it. Uh, as his first bit of proof, he presented a bag of bones to the U.S.

Speaker 39 Embassy in Thailand to be analyzed. He he presented that to wait, he proof that there's BOWs, but who did he present that to? Gammon to the U.S.
Embassy in Thailand. Oh, okay, gotcha.

Speaker 39 Hey, uh, Bo, uh,

Speaker 39 Anything else?

Speaker 39 I found these bones at a POW camp, and I just

Speaker 39 let you know that they're working our men to death out there. So the POWs are dead, so what is the point? No, this one was alive.
You abandoned him, and I could have got him out.

Speaker 39 I mean, these are bones. And then I got, by the time I got to him, he was bones.

Speaker 39 But he wanted out.

Speaker 39 He wanted out. Okay.

Speaker 39 I have been sucking the bones to tell what his last thoughts were.

Speaker 39 So those bones were delivered to

Speaker 39 those bones were delivered to Richard Armitage. It's also funny to imagine him just finding these bones.
Like, that's perfect. Like, he's on a little bone mission.

Speaker 39 So they're delivered to Richard Armitage in D.C.

Speaker 39 He's done a lot of work for the U.S. government, Armitage.

Speaker 39 At the time, he was the State Department Southeast Asia chief.

Speaker 39 Before that, he was allegedly involved with the Phoenix program, which was a Vietnam War program to bring corporate management system to torture and murder of innocent civilians so it would be more efficient.

Speaker 39 Yeah. Which we later do under Bush.
Yeah. Under W.

Speaker 39 Abu Graben.

Speaker 39 Later in his life, he leaked the CIA agent's name to the press because she wasn't pro-Iraq war enough,

Speaker 39 which was the Valerie Plame affair.

Speaker 39 And he also might have been one of the main guys in Iran-Contra.

Speaker 39 This guy's

Speaker 39 a real player.

Speaker 39 So Armitage testifies

Speaker 39 that Bo's bag of bones don't actually include any American bones.

Speaker 39 Okay, so he's standing in the way of the bone bag,

Speaker 39 which is what I call my scrotum

Speaker 39 in fact

Speaker 39 it turns out the bones are mostly pig bones

Speaker 39 it's you know what is great about this guy is it's it's that he's like it's he lazy lies yeah he like doesn't go like he's not like he's not really trying too hard he's kind of just like you know what i mean it's just like he's just like doing a science project with what he has on the kitchen table like Like our president.

Speaker 39 Oh, come on.

Speaker 39 But it's just the idea of like the ability,

Speaker 39 the cojones to go to an embassy and present a bag of bones, like POW bones, only to have someone be like, there's snout cartilage in here.

Speaker 39 What do you...

Speaker 39 Which guy had a little curly tail?

Speaker 39 A lot of them did. And they were hoofed.

Speaker 39 So in Beau's biggest moment when the subcommittee chairman asked him to present the pictures from that undeveloped roll of film bow said that he was the wrong he used the wrong setting on the camera and the pictures hadn't turned out oh my god

Speaker 39 god damn it

Speaker 39 uh i had my i had my finger in front of the thing ah so

Speaker 39 no i don't know i don't know f-stops the cap was on yeah

Speaker 39 classic mistake

Speaker 39 As this is all unfolding, people in high places who had been sick of Bo for a while now started to take action against him. Okay.

Speaker 39 So Ted Sampley, the former editor of the U.S. Veterans News and Report, said he was approached by the Reagan administration to spy on Bo.

Speaker 39 This is

Speaker 39 the story is so off-kilter that

Speaker 39 Reagan.

Speaker 39 Well, he's making the government look bad. Yeah, Reagan is like, so the Republicans hate the government that helps people, but they love the military.
So he is attacking

Speaker 39 the military look bad.

Speaker 39 Yes. So that they can't have.
Right.

Speaker 39 Quote, they were spying.

Speaker 39 Quote, they were spying on Bo Greites. I testified about this in front of the Senate Select Committee.
Greites became the victim of a smear campaign. He challenged the U.S.

Speaker 39 government and found himself being called the fruitcake, an idiot, a charlatan.

Speaker 39 Why don't you ask my psychic what she thinks?

Speaker 39 Go ahead, Charlotte.

Speaker 39 Despite this huge setback on the national stage, Bo promised to go back and find our boys.

Speaker 39 Dave,

Speaker 39 it's time to get them out, Gareth. It's time to get bring them back.

Speaker 39 Won't they actually be dying of natural causes soon in this timeline? How long do you think these POWs are going to exist there? I mean, this is. They've probably started new lives by now.

Speaker 39 Let them go. They're either not there anymore or they're done.
I don't know what year we stopped doing this, but it went on. I remember while it was going on, I was just like, how

Speaker 39 old are they? Like, what's happening?

Speaker 39 In my brain, my first thought was always, why not just kill him? You know what it is?

Speaker 39 It's like that, it's those Philip, the stories of those in the Philippines when those soldiers were like, like the story I did on the guy who

Speaker 39 was gone for 23 years.

Speaker 39 That's what they think is happening. But there was like a few of those guys, and it's not happening.
Well, because the only reason to keep a POW camp. The keepers of the POW camp would be like...

Speaker 39 You do it. You do it for a return.
Yeah.

Speaker 39 You're keeping them to get to the

Speaker 39 country. When do they make contact for the leverage? They never do.
They're just like, we just want these guys here.

Speaker 39 Give them back. Give who back?

Speaker 39 Give them back. Yeah, the whole thing doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
And yet, everyone is, and they yet talk shows are like, it's an honor.

Speaker 39 Okay, yeah. So it's great.

Speaker 39 So Colonel Earl Hopper, vice chairman of the POW MIA organization Task Force Omega, remembered it this way: quote, Bo continued his operations trying to locate POWs, but each time his operation got underway, he was sabotaged by the U.S.

Speaker 39 government. This was a stab in the back, a perfidious act, in my opinion.

Speaker 39 So, because he can't, you can't win. This is a situation where even the government, you can't win because you do want to stop him.
He's a fucking grifter.

Speaker 39 He's giving hope to people who shouldn't have hope that they're which is which is a check in the mail of bad news and makes you look bad. I mean, it's all just

Speaker 39 he's a fake representative of your bullshit, but you're also like... It's almost the perfect griff because when the government comes after you, you can just go, see? Yeah.
Like it's... Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 39 So, Bo. And then if it fails, you go, the government fucked with us.
Yeah. Every time.
So the BOGO, but Bo goes back to Southeast Asia.

Speaker 39 Who's running the passports? Like, someone should just be like, sir, no. No.
You're not allowed to go across

Speaker 39 Pacific anywhere. We x-rayed your bag and it's a lot of bones.
Pig bones.

Speaker 39 I'm bringing the pig bones back to where they belong. I'm giving them a proper burial.

Speaker 39 These pigs deserve an honorable burying.

Speaker 39 So, Gareth, this is Operation Broken Wing,

Speaker 39 named because it's supposed to result in the rescue of a POW with one broken leg. Which is obviously not a wing, but.

Speaker 39 And how do they know this POW has a broken leg? God, they got sources, Reynolds.

Speaker 39 This time I didn't put my finger over the lens.

Speaker 39 So, Bo's learned a lesson.

Speaker 39 And this time, didn't do all the crazy shit he did before the other missions. He didn't call the press.
Okay.

Speaker 39 He did invite a psychic.

Speaker 39 He didn't. There are no blondes.

Speaker 39 No sex workers. You can say it.
But the mission is still

Speaker 39 not great. Okay.

Speaker 39 After Bo claims that an exiled Laotian general named Kong Lee traded him three POWs

Speaker 39 in exchange for a boat ride to Paris.

Speaker 39 Bo is saying that he got three POWs? Yeah.

Speaker 39 In exchange for a boat ride to Paris, because that's what's what Laotian generals want. People don't know.

Speaker 39 I've always seen myself as Parisian.

Speaker 39 I want to open a Boulingerie. I want to go to Paris.
I really would love that. Do they really call it Gay Paris? Now, are you French? Because you're...

Speaker 39 He found a French layer, a fake French layer. I'm obsessed with the French guy.

Speaker 39 So since this is being pre-arranged, they didn't need to call in the helicopters or anyone else in the military to come to their aid.

Speaker 39 I cannot wait to see what happens with these three fake POWs. Well, so...
No, no, he didn't get them yet. Oh, the plan.
Oh, he's going to get them. The plan.
He's made a plan. Right, right.

Speaker 39 Wait for the POWs at a rendezvous point on the Mekong River at midnight. Sure.

Speaker 39 So, according to Bo, as soon as midnight comes, they start getting radio signals, picking them up.

Speaker 39 It's the prisoners.

Speaker 39 Wait,

Speaker 39 so hold on. They're talking on the radio.

Speaker 39 He had time to plan this.

Speaker 39 And in his bullshit,

Speaker 39 he's supposed to meet.

Speaker 39 he's just, the POWs are just going to walk up alone.

Speaker 39 No, they're going to be dropped along. I think they're being dropped, yeah.
So at midnight, they start making radio contact instead of just walking up to the round.

Speaker 39 I think they're letting, I think the people who are in charge of them are letting them use the radio. In what?

Speaker 39 Jesus, use your head, man. You're going to see them in five minutes.
Hey, hey. Why don't you guys call them just to say what's up? And then you can see them.

Speaker 39 Just Just tell them each your name and your eye color. Yeah, we'll just get the hellos out of the way so this thing goes pretty quickly.

Speaker 39 I guess say what you're wearing so they don't confuse you with other POWs.

Speaker 39 Just explain what, just tell them how it's been, and then that'll save you some time when you're on the boat to not have to catch up like that.

Speaker 39 We're actually doing lunch orders real quick, so just call in your lunch order to your group.

Speaker 39 So Bo puts on his night vision goggles and he sees, yeah, the POWs are on their way down the river in little dinghies.

Speaker 39 But just as they were getting close.

Speaker 39 Sharks.

Speaker 39 Boom.

Speaker 39 A powerboat came out of nowhere and ran over the three dinghies.

Speaker 39 But

Speaker 39 the POWs survived.

Speaker 39 But they were now forced to turn around. They're a zombie POWs.
No, they were forced to turn around and head back to prison.

Speaker 39 So close. He had them until a bigger boat knocked him over, and now they have to go back to POW, Kim.
There's a lot of people who are.

Speaker 39 He really, the idea that he came up with, like, he had hours, days, weeks. Sounds like I got to think of this.
Sounds like our government's trying to stop it again. It's very Epstein.

Speaker 39 But it was, it was very, this whole thing is very. It's very Epstein.
But Bo wasn't about to give up the rescue attempt. The next night, he crawled toward the prison in the underbrush,

Speaker 39 but someone saw him and shot a rocket at him.

Speaker 39 He survived that somehow. The rescue attempt did end there, but not because Bo got scared by the rocket, only because the media discovered he was in Laos,

Speaker 39 which may have been leaked by his own government. So he returned to the U.S.
again without a POW.

Speaker 39 A rocket? They shot a rocket. Yeah, that happens.

Speaker 39 Why would you shoot or send men? And the media knows,

Speaker 39 but the people in the camp already know anyway.

Speaker 39 So, why does the media letting anyone know?

Speaker 39 Like, you could do the mission for another day.

Speaker 39 I'm tired of your questions, obviously. Because they're logical.
Well,

Speaker 39 so Bo goes back home and he moves to Nevada. Imagine calling like the Booker of the Tonight Show, like, I'd like to come back.
I have a pretty good new little story.

Speaker 39 It wasn't, I think it was daytime talk shows. No, it was like morning.

Speaker 39 I'd like to come back to Good Morning Columbus. It's like Donahue and shit like that.
Oh, my God. Oprah.

Speaker 39 Sally Jesse.

Speaker 39 Well, Sally Jesse, it got pretty hairy out there. Well, why? I shouldn't say Oprah because why would Oprah have Beau Grits on when she really just has high-quality people on like Dr.
Oz?

Speaker 39 She didn't do fake war heroes.

Speaker 39 She does fake doctors.

Speaker 39 So he's in Nevada. I remember the first time I saw Dr.
Oz and I was like, this guy's making a lot of sense. You know what I mean? I was like, yeah, clearly.
Look at that. He gets it.

Speaker 39 I should be drinking chia seeds.

Speaker 39 So,

Speaker 39 Bo spends his, isn't she? Aren't chia seeds fine? They're good for you. Yeah, yeah, they're good for you.

Speaker 39 He spent his downtime in the desert.

Speaker 39 Of course. He's in Nevada

Speaker 39 training the same Afghan Mujahideen who would then become the Taliban. He is legit training the Mujahideen.

Speaker 39 Who is letting that happen?

Speaker 39 Yeah, that's good. I don't know why he was doing that.
Like, who would at this point be like, you should be in charge of this? Unless they were like,

Speaker 39 we want the movie.

Speaker 39 He's still working with that stupid Army CIA thing. Of course it would be lasting.

Speaker 39 Because the Army is full of fucking idiots. Well, that's a pretty good answer.
Really? I mean, think about the guy, like...

Speaker 39 Oh, my God.

Speaker 39 The liberals love Powell, and think about what a monster he was. I just remembered I had a dream last night that I was near Pete Hegseth and he smelled horribly and he had like horrible halitosis.

Speaker 39 I had a dream that we got another dog.

Speaker 39 We're both doing good stuff.

Speaker 39 This is

Speaker 39 a Helix commercial, actually.

Speaker 39 Helix, imagine what Pete Hegseth smells like.

Speaker 39 Okay, so he's training the Mujahideen

Speaker 39 after one of

Speaker 39 these sessions, he gets a call, and it's from Tom Harvey, Ronald Reagan's National Security Council staff officer,

Speaker 39 and he told Bo to pack his bags. The world's greatest drug lord might have an army of POW slaves that needed to be liberated.

Speaker 39 And Bo was the man for the job. Why? It should be real.
Because it was a national hero. One of two things is happening.

Speaker 39 And it's definitely not the first, which is that they've made up a fake mission to just get him out of America for a little while. So it's either that one or they're the dumbest.

Speaker 39 Or they want him to go attack the world's greatest drug lord and die.

Speaker 39 They want him to die. But also, remember, they are, I mean,

Speaker 39 Oliver North is part of these people. Armitage is part of these people.
I mean, it's really a collection of fucking idiots.

Speaker 39 They're really dumb. And we saw this whole era, and we were like, now this needs to be replicated forever.

Speaker 39 Well, the right has always been doing this shit, it's never stopped. But this is like, isn't this right around when it was like, oh, now we're getting it, we're figuring it out?

Speaker 39 I mean, they're doing, they're doing Iran-Contra. Yeah, that's what I mean.
They're deep in all kinds of. That's what I mean.
They're like,

Speaker 39 this is the model now.

Speaker 39 Yeah, I mean, I guess. Yeah.
I mean, they always did this, dude. But this is this is like the Reagan was the one where you were like, yeah, okay.
But yeah, I mean, the mask is off. But I mean,

Speaker 39 no, because the mask was off during Nixon. Like, he literally

Speaker 39 put the mask. He stopped the peace process.
Then we put a mask on for a minute. I don't know when the mask was on.

Speaker 39 I mean, when Carter was doing a genocide,

Speaker 39 I didn't know about that until not too long ago. And I was like, oh, Jimmy.

Speaker 39 Okay, so.

Speaker 39 Kun Sa was the world's greatest drug lord. He ran the Golden Triangle, the world's largest producer of opium and heroin.
And it's estimated at one point he produced half of the planet's heroin

Speaker 39 valued at over a billion dollars a year. Nice.

Speaker 39 So to protect his massive cash crop,

Speaker 39 Kun Sa assembled an army of over 10,000 armed men and a fortified camp in the jungle. And Bo is going to bring some sex workers and some weirdos he lied to with him.
Yeah, in a balloon. And

Speaker 39 a plane that you could blow up like a pontoon. And one day, Bogritz just strolls into the camp.

Speaker 39 Dude, what the fuck?

Speaker 39 Hello. Hi, boys.
How are you?

Speaker 39 What's going on in here? He did not notify.

Speaker 39 He did notify Kunza before. He just showed up.
Hi.

Speaker 39 What are you doing? The only things he brought. Were two cameramen and a lie detector test.

Speaker 39 Man, it's time for you to answer some questions. Well, Army of 10,000 and man who produces half the world's heroin,

Speaker 39 will you sit in this chair and we can put some electrodes on your fingers? Let's just settle this. All right.

Speaker 39 Now,

Speaker 39 we're not leaving until each one of you takes a lie detector test. These people are with the Washington Post.

Speaker 39 So we don't know why he brought the lie detector test because it never got around to that.

Speaker 39 But the cameraman immediately started filming as Bo walks in and shouts for the world's most powerful drug lord to come down and meet him. What is he doing? He's schooltizing? I think that he has now

Speaker 39 projected himself as a type of person and he has to live up to it.

Speaker 39 Even then,

Speaker 39 what was good about before was he would go on the bullshit and bring back the bluster. Yeah.
Now, he's forgotten that step and he's just going full bluster. Full bluster.

Speaker 39 From Beau's autobiography, quote, in my mind's eye, I could see Kunsaw as some giant Star Wars style Job of the Hut living in a jungle-covered Tosh Mahal, slurping up virgins surrounded by an army of apocalypse now type mercenaries.

Speaker 39 This is so unacceptable for this to end up in your own book.

Speaker 39 This is his book. In my mind's eye, I was picturing Jabba the Hut.
Imagine the guy who like showed him Star Wars. He's like, that was a fucking mistake.

Speaker 39 Yes, wars, stars, good.

Speaker 39 So he's surprised to be met by a short, normal-looking guy from Myanmar smoking a cigarette and wearing combat fatigues. Luckily, luckily for Bo,

Speaker 39 he loves the shits, but he loves the Bo's like rolling in like a tough guy.

Speaker 39 You're crazy. I love it.
He graciously welcomed Bo into his home/slash army base place. What? It's working? Yeah, because

Speaker 39 this is the type of guy you're like, look at this crazy asshole. Like, you don't.
You're like, look, game respects game. Yeah.

Speaker 39 Good for you. Bo, quote, I noticed the throbbing vein in his neck and now thought how easy it would be to rid the world of its most infamous drug lord.
I could break a stack of seven bricks.

Speaker 39 Koonsaw's neck would snap like a twig.

Speaker 39 Is that Koonsaw who he's talking to?

Speaker 39 So he literally walks in and the fucking leader is like, come on, you live here. Well, if I'm Bo,

Speaker 39 I, Dennis Rodman, North Korea, that shit right there. I'm like, I'm not going to leave.
Yeah. This is awesome.
Yeah. This is great.
Yeah.

Speaker 39 Luckily for Kunsaw, Bo held himself back from snapping the neck.

Speaker 39 So the two men start talking and immediately about

Speaker 39 the army of POW slaves. And as the cameras roll, Kunsaw waved his hand away in a ridiculous way that says, it's just a rumor.

Speaker 39 When you're the world's most infamous drug lord, tall tales get woven around you. See, here's why he's telling the truth.
He's like, I'm the drug lord. Yeah, I don't need that.
I'm a big drug lord.

Speaker 39 Why would I need that?

Speaker 39 He's confessing to like the crime. He's like, I have 10,000 men.
Why would I need a couple hundred guys to just bring trouble on me? Like, why would I do that? Just release a couple of them.

Speaker 39 Put two of them in Whiteface and hand them to me.

Speaker 39 But Bo's not done. And Koonsaw clearly had a light schedule that day because they keep talking for another two hours.
There's footage,

Speaker 39 yeah, apparently. Yeah,

Speaker 39 did you see the game last night?

Speaker 39 So the thing they talked the most about was the fact that the biggest customers for heroin in the world were working for the U.S. government.

Speaker 39 It's just

Speaker 39 this is this is honestly so good that it's happening. Kunsa named names: CIA agent, CIA agents,

Speaker 39 Daniel Arnold and Jerry Daniels, CIA Deputy Director for Covert Operations, Ted Shackley, and lastly, Bo's enemy, Richard Armitage.

Speaker 39 Armitage, it would turn out, was the bag man who brought in the dirty money to be laundered at the Newgenhan Bank of Australia.

Speaker 39 So Bo's gone on a VOW fighting mission that doesn't exist, but because he just walked into this

Speaker 39 drug lord zone, he is now getting

Speaker 39 the details of who in the CIA is buying all of the heroin illegally for the drug lord that they sent him to release the prisoners from. That's right.

Speaker 39 He's actually doing good work. I don't think that

Speaker 39 I don't.

Speaker 39 Would you classify this as good work?

Speaker 39 Yes,

Speaker 39 it is because it's like, yeah.

Speaker 39 No, because the guy who sent him

Speaker 39 was

Speaker 39 the National Security Council staff officer, Tom Harvey. So he probably doesn't know that the CIA is

Speaker 39 but I mean good work for like us.

Speaker 39 Yes, in the greater good he's actually doing,

Speaker 39 I was just answering your question of like, the government is doing it to itself. No, it's different parts of the government.
Like they they didn't send him knowing

Speaker 39 that he would. It's different parts.
So, the guy who sent him didn't know that he would. Yeah.
But it's great.

Speaker 39 Because, like, if you have two hours of footage of them being like, here are all the people in the CIA who are buying heroin. You're like, what? That's good to know.

Speaker 39 So, Kunzaw offers an olive branch to America and all its citizens who are suffering from all the heroin addiction. He's just like, which one's my camera? For $150 million

Speaker 39 and the recognition of a state for his ethnic group, Kunso would destroy all the heroin.

Speaker 39 Now, okay. If you're America, this is a good deal.
No, you don't want that. Well, yeah, if you're like in earnest, if you're like a regular person, this is a good deal.
It's a good deal.

Speaker 39 But the government is obviously like, no, we need that.

Speaker 39 Well, because that's, yeah,

Speaker 39 this is what they're using heroin and cocaine to profit their shit over whatever. So Bo couldn't believe this gold mine of information.

Speaker 39 He rushed back to the States and sent a copy of the tape to the White House and was quickly told, quote, Bo, there's no one here who supports that. Bo was devastated.

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Speaker 39 One of the cameramen was loyal compatriot of Bose named Scott Weakley, and he was in charge of making poison darts for Operation Lazarus Omega. Yeah, right.

Speaker 39 Okay, so he was the guy who made the, he was like the cue.

Speaker 39 Although maybe, maybe we have never seen these tapes.

Speaker 39 I had the wrong exposure level.

Speaker 39 Okay, whatever. So

Speaker 39 I should have figured out before. I should have talked to Josh before.

Speaker 39 This was actually. Because it gets so confusing as to what's what we know is real and what isn't real.
What's Bo's real and what's real. Right.

Speaker 39 So one of the cameramen was a lawyer, but we do know the CIA was

Speaker 39 trafficked drugs, so whatever.

Speaker 39 One of the cameramen was a loyal compatriot of Bo's named Scott Weakley in charge of making poison darts for Operation

Speaker 39 Lazarus Omega. He had helped Bo train the future Taliban, and his nickname was Dr.
Death.

Speaker 39 We're now in a Marvel cartoon. Once Dr.

Speaker 39 Death arrived home in San Diego, he was picked up by the ATF and Customs Department, who proceeded to tell him that Bo sold weapons to Iran while he was working in South America.

Speaker 39 Essentially, they're saying that Bo did Iran-Contra.

Speaker 39 So many hits. Now, this is before the scandal broke.
So they're accusing him of doing Ran Contra before Iran Contra break. This was mainstream.

Speaker 39 Desperate to get Dr. Death to testify against Bo, they popped him with a charge, traveling with 200 pounds of explosive.

Speaker 39 Now,

Speaker 39 that is a wild accusation, but it is also kind of true. What? Because that's what they were using to train the Afghans on behalf of members of the U.S.
military. Oh, my God.
There is so much going on.

Speaker 39 Once you get up into the high idiot echelons,

Speaker 39 there's so few people doing the dumbest shit that they all kind of know each other. Right.

Speaker 39 That's what I learned by reading the Oliver North book and reading other stuff is that there's really just a small group of these fucking idiots doing really dumb shit. Right.
Yeah.

Speaker 39 Which is good. Yeah, it's really great.
It's like how, it's like how America's, you know, 21 companies. It's like, yeah.

Speaker 39 So Bo recalls talking to Scott in a pretrial hearing.

Speaker 39 Call, I shouldn't call him Scott, right? I was going to say, I mean, the guy went to medical school for so long. You're right.

Speaker 39 Bo recalls talking to Dr. Death in a pretrial holding, quote,

Speaker 39 they were trying to get me to stop talking about Kuhn Saw. Don't believe anything the government says to you.
It was all a setup. The day he appeared before the judge, those U.S.

Speaker 39 agents did not show up for him. And the judge, instead of dismissing the charges, gave him five years at Lompock.

Speaker 39 Gave Bo?

Speaker 39 No, Dr. Death.
Oh, Dr. Death, right, of course.
But that's scary for all

Speaker 39 the inmates. For sure.

Speaker 39 Don't buy toilet paper off of Dr. Death.
Come on. Get it.
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Speaker 39 So Bo's friend called to warn him, and the call was tapped by Major Chuck Johnson with the National Security Agency, who quoted Bo's best friend in an affidavit:

Speaker 39 They say you're in for a real shit blizzard unless you knock off all current activities. You've got no option.
You're going to get taken care of. You got to erase and forget everything.

Speaker 39 You are going to hurt the government and get hurt unless you do exactly as I say. I cannot believe he is now in this

Speaker 39 level of

Speaker 39 important now. He's important, but this, this just

Speaker 39 like

Speaker 39 if you read about the shit the government does,

Speaker 39 they don't take it to the level.

Speaker 39 I mean, I mean, these idiots that I'm talking about, the Oliver Norris and these guys, they never take it to the level of I'm going to kill a Beau, a Beau Greites who knows too much.

Speaker 39 They never kind of

Speaker 39 like the CIA would, but we're not talking about the CIA. The CIA would, yeah, they'd be like, yeah, okay, but not these idiots.

Speaker 39 So whatever. Though, quote, the government, my government was saying, you erase and forget, or we're going to bury you.
It made me angry. If you want to do something, tell me I can't.

Speaker 39 And that's exactly what I'm going to start to do. Okay, we want you to do it.
Fuck. Good.
God damn it.

Speaker 39 I feel like I really set myself up for that one. And we want you to bring a lot of journalists with you when you do it.
Son of a bitch. And

Speaker 39 no, I won't.

Speaker 39 Fuck.

Speaker 39 Hold on.

Speaker 39 We want you to try it now.

Speaker 39 No, no, no. Don't.
I'm not going to do it. Good.
I won't. Good.
No reporters. Good.
Fuck. No way, bad.
Yes. Damn it.

Speaker 39 For two years, the next two years, the shit blizzard dumped down on Bo's head. The government.
Desperate to get something on him, charged him with using the passport of another.

Speaker 39 He probably did do that. He probably did.
Come on. Well, it's actually bullshit because because of his work, he was given three passports and he used them because he was supposed to.
Right.

Speaker 39 Finally, in April of 1989, there was a grand. But again, remember, he's doing stuff where they said...

Speaker 39 Never mind. I can't.
I'm so, I'm so confused by how much bullshit is going on. So finally, in April of 1989, there was a grand jury trial and 19 separate witnesses were called against Bo.

Speaker 39 But his lawyers noticed something. The U.S.
attorney brought the wrong charges against Bo. Ah, so the case was dismissed.

Speaker 39 There's no way they didn't do that on purpose. There's no way they didn't do that on purpose.
They had to have done the

Speaker 39 U.S. attorneys are so fucking on top.
They don't take you to trial unless they have you fucking. So, what is the pitch there? Why would they do that?

Speaker 39 I don't know, but that just seems like really weird to me that a U.S. attorney would do that.
It's just clerical error.

Speaker 39 And by the way, that is not like a typo. That's like a.
It's so egregious. All right.
So he stole a lot of bikes. Wait,

Speaker 39 here.

Speaker 39 No.

Speaker 39 when when reporters asked the u.s attorney why he even went forward with the case he replied quote george bush called me up and told me to get bow gright

Speaker 39 that's vp bush right right that's bush one wow

Speaker 39 as a man who has seen several conspiracies perpetrated by the united states government and who has been hounded in an attempt to silence him one can forgive bow for wading into some of other conspiracy theories

Speaker 39 but during the debacle of a trial, Bo didn't just wait. He jumped headfirst into conspiracy.
Oh, God. So,

Speaker 39 yeah,

Speaker 39 whatever was left of him is now broken. This is bad.
Now he's cue. Now he's cueing.

Speaker 39 From a friend, quote, one morning, Bo wakes up.

Speaker 39 Bo wakes me up, all excited. Coffee's brown cocaine.
Reading me passages from a book called The Gods of Eden.

Speaker 39 The Gods of Eden is about how ancient aliens created war and religion as population control, and now the brotherhood of the snake was formed in Sumeria to try and stop them. Do you understand?

Speaker 39 We're Sumerian Brotherhood.

Speaker 39 How did you sleep? Fuck. So now.
So now he's up all night reading books. Now he's now he's reading books.
He's gone. He's gone.
By the way, wasn't here. No.

Speaker 39 Dad, do you realize that we're actually all just snakes from Sumeria?

Speaker 39 But

Speaker 39 we're near the episode, the middle of of episode two of three.

Speaker 39 And now we're episode two of three. We're at the midpoint.
Yeah. We're about to

Speaker 39 sense of him like wearing human flesh, just like, I am the double God.

Speaker 39 Bo now believed that JFK was killed by Nazi bomb makers, that AIDS was created by the federal government, that Jonestown was a MK Ultra product, a project, where in his special time, sorry, where in his time as special forces commander in south america he saw troops deployed to the airstrip to act as exterminators who were there to destroy the evidence he became more christian especially leaning towards the conspirators conspiratorial side like his belief about barcodes quote oh my god dave can i have a minute i think we're going to see a literal mark of the beast i think it'll be part of the globalist cashless system i was on a radio program the other day and a lady came on and says, you know, it sounds so easy.

Speaker 39 I'll have this mark. I'll go down to the grocery store.
I don't have to carry money. This sounds wonderful.
I said, yes, ma'am, but if you accept this system, the smoke of your torment rises forever.

Speaker 39 Are you talking to me?

Speaker 39 Are you talking to me right now? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 39 I just, what do you mean? Because I'm just going to go pay. You want to pay with

Speaker 39 your

Speaker 39 mark? No, I just want to pay with a cut. There will be a mark on whatever I'm buying.
Yeah, well, that's the smoke of torment that's going to eat you alive in your soul. From the Cheerios?

Speaker 39 Well, you were inviting the darkness of the Satan to come and take

Speaker 39 everything.

Speaker 39 Should I just pay with a cash? I'd use cash.

Speaker 39 Okay, well, that's what it is.

Speaker 39 I'm glad we met.

Speaker 39 That first part of that is so Alex Jonesed. Yeah, this is very Alex Jonesy.

Speaker 39 Man, a lot of people go down this.

Speaker 39 It's crazy that we have survived this long with so many people. Well, it's pretty much over.

Speaker 39 But no, it is because,

Speaker 39 you know, the truth is, it's like, there's like early Alex Jones, like early, where you're like, oh, yeah, exactly. Yeah.
Like where you're like, yeah, it's exactly right. It's so fucked up.

Speaker 39 And then now he's like, we are the frogs are aliens. This is the globalist agenda.

Speaker 39 Well, because once you once you accept that the U.S. government is

Speaker 39 there's a lot of fucking heinous stuff going on, it's not what you're taught in school. It's just other entity,

Speaker 39 then there's nothing to hold on to anymore. And I think that's where we're peaking right now is like everybody from

Speaker 39 pretty much this political spectrum, there's still like some hangers-on, obviously, but so many, even though Trump's approval rating's up with Republicans, but so many people now are like, this is bullshit.

Speaker 39 And then they start finding out what's bullshit. And they're like, exactly.

Speaker 39 It's king tut.

Speaker 39 So he and his wife, who

Speaker 39 she's now old enough to rent a car,

Speaker 39 she, they leaned into the religious thing. Wait, who? Bo's wife? Yeah, remember? She was 16 when they got married.
Well, she can, she's older. How long ago was that? That was a while ago.

Speaker 39 She's probably late 20s now. Oh my God.

Speaker 39 Phil, I feel like, I feel like right now, honestly, in my math, Bo's 88. He's not.

Speaker 39 So they're learning into the religious thing more,

Speaker 39 and they convert to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. So they become Mormons.
Good.

Speaker 39 So Bo is keeping his name alive by giving talks and survivalist trainings around the country.

Speaker 39 And he has a pretty big popularity among increasingly more fringe elements of the right wing.

Speaker 39 So when someone asked him to run for vice president on the populist party ticket, he jumped at it without asking questions. He was just like, fuck yeah, I'll be VP.

Speaker 39 He probably should have asked who was on the president part of the ticket. David Duke.
It's grand, KKK Grand Wizard David Duke. Oh my God.

Speaker 39 Oh my God.

Speaker 39 Oh, fuck.

Speaker 39 So it took him a little bit

Speaker 39 to come around and realize it's probably a bad thing, but he eventually decides to

Speaker 39 drop off the ticket. Man,

Speaker 39 when you've lost Bo,

Speaker 39 bro.

Speaker 39 He called, after he dropped out, he called Duke, quote, bigoted garbage dumped into a perfectly good container.

Speaker 39 I mean, all right, we could compliment him on something again. When asked why he joined in the first place, Bo said, quote, I didn't know anything about the Ku Klux Klan.
That's impossible. Come on.

Speaker 39 That's impossible.

Speaker 39 Impossible. Even without Google.
I thought they were a club of guys who wore costume. Yeah.

Speaker 39 Hello, David. I'm excited to work with you.

Speaker 39 Oh, cool. Cool outfit.
What is this for? Are we going trick-or-treating? I'm a little lost. Okay.

Speaker 39 I'm sorry. You're a cyclop.
You're a wit.

Speaker 39 What are we doing

Speaker 39 all right well let's go get this candy are you a real wizard or is this a photo op what are we doing why are we dressed like this let me see my bag of pig bones we look like ear candles

Speaker 39 from a friend of bone's regarding him joining the presidential ticket with the kkk chief quote this guy who has so much strength and decency and courage and conviction tripping on his dick almost every turn he makes.

Speaker 39 So many people who have so much reverence for the guy agonizing over watching him do these things that are, and there's no other word for it, stupid.

Speaker 39 I mean, he is tripping over his dick. He's not tripping over his dick.
I guess that is the thing is, like,

Speaker 39 but he's saying he has this great conviction, but I also feel like in the first part, it was so much grifting.

Speaker 39 But is it this? This seems to me like

Speaker 39 it's just a quest for fame. Right.
So when he gets asked to be on the presidential ticket, he's like, yes,

Speaker 39 yes.

Speaker 39 Not really

Speaker 39 being like, oh, this could actually be worse for me. He just hears presidential ticket.

Speaker 39 It just seems like everything he does, he just wants to. He's a fame climber.
Yeah.

Speaker 39 After bailing on the populist party, Bo jumped into the two-party system and ran as a Republican for the congressional representative of Las Vegas. Wow.

Speaker 39 Unfortunately, he tripped on his dick again. Oh, gosh.

Speaker 39 When he chose his campaign manager, David Duke.

Speaker 39 David, I've never heard of you, but I'm excited to see what you can do, kiddo. Quote, his campaign manager is a real screwball.
He's bragging of having once been a drug dealer.

Speaker 39 And I'm standing there in Bo's kitchen thinking, what?

Speaker 39 Then in the middle of the campaign, he goes to jail for 30 days for his misuse of a rental car and writing bad checks.

Speaker 39 I love that

Speaker 39 you

Speaker 39 he didn't make a swap after the 30. He was like, I'm hanging in there with this 30-day rental car.
When you get into these right-wing circles, it's so full of these crazy,

Speaker 39 just lawless gumbacks. That's why a lot of them end up there because, I mean, at least it used to be that, like, you know, the Democratic Party had some sort of standard.

Speaker 39 So it was like, it was where you would go to

Speaker 39 reinvent yourself. And like, it is like the church in that way, where it's just like, you know, people go there when they Stephen Baldwin because they're like, all right, everything's shitty.

Speaker 39 I love God. Yeah.

Speaker 39 In 1992, Bo aims higher, and he wins the presidency. Space presidency.
He wins the presidential spot on the populist party ticket. That's the one that had David Duke earlier.

Speaker 39 Yeah, but now he's the presidential candidate. Oh, okay.
Sure. But not tainted at all.
It's not tarnished at any rate. Yeah, it's fine.
Okay.

Speaker 39 He uses the slogan guns, God, and Grits.

Speaker 39 I mean, you could see that on a truck today.

Speaker 39 Yeah.

Speaker 39 Yeah.

Speaker 39 Unlike his predecessor, Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, David Duke, Bo's platform attempted to actually be a little populist. He called it the Bill of Grites.

Speaker 39 I don't hate it.

Speaker 39 I'm sure I hate what's in it, but I don't hate it.

Speaker 39 Bo on what he believed, in quote, if we would have stayed out of Guatemala, for example, the United Fruit Company would have suffered a little bit, but Guatemala would not have lost tens of thousands of people killed by CIA-supported and inspired police actions.

Speaker 39 Certainly, we would never have gone along with NAFTA,

Speaker 39 those kinds of things. So, this is where they get me.
I know. Because you're like, yeah.
It's like Marjorie Taylor Greene right now, right?

Speaker 39 They say things, and you're like, I agree with that, yeah, but

Speaker 39 all of their solutions, all of their other stuff is fucking heinous. No, they get to they get to the just like, yeah, exactly.
She'll say something, you'll be like, Exactly.

Speaker 39 She's like, Jews have laser, you're like, No,

Speaker 39 fuck, no,

Speaker 39 his VP choice was a man named Cy Minute,

Speaker 39 Minette, maybe Minutes, Mute,

Speaker 39 M, M, I'm, M-I-N-E-T-T,

Speaker 39 M-I-N-E-T-T.

Speaker 39 I think it's Minette. Minute.

Speaker 39 Minette. Let's do Minute.
I agree.

Speaker 39 Minute. Where is he? He'll be right back.
A

Speaker 39 63-year-old fighter pilot who Bo described as, quote, a lot better looking than me and harder than Woodpecker Lips.

Speaker 39 Because of the pecking.

Speaker 39 Cy was also a speaker. Please tell me this guy goes to jail.

Speaker 39 Cy was also a speaker on the Christian Conspiracy Circuit, selling cassette tapes with speeches like The Fearful Fed, an expose on bloodletting money changers.

Speaker 39 That's very that seems very

Speaker 39 anti-Semitic. I was just about to say, it feels very

Speaker 39 smell of anti-Semitism. Veiled.

Speaker 39 Barely veiled. Barely veiled.

Speaker 39 In the middle of the campaign, Sai convinced Bo to fly to the Tehachapi Mountains north of Los Angeles to meet with Hatton, the eight and a half foot reptile-like commander of the playads.

Speaker 39 I mean,

Speaker 39 go back to David Duke.

Speaker 39 Dave,

Speaker 39 I just. Dave, Dave, David.
But you read this stuff and you go, yeah, of course they think there's Jew lasers setting the mountains on fire. Like they're fucking lunatics.

Speaker 39 I mean, look,

Speaker 39 if your vice president asks you to go to a mountain to meet an eight and a half tall lizard king

Speaker 39 commander. Commander, you got to be like, look, I don't know if this is right.

Speaker 39 Quote, oh no. We got into this little storefront and Sai says, now I just want to verify this.
Hatton himself is going to walk in and meet us. And the person said, yes, he'll be here.

Speaker 39 He's running a little late.

Speaker 39 He's just finishing up growing pants.

Speaker 39 A woman who calls herself Dharma sat down at the table and said, Very quickly, without any fanfare, I am present. And I thought, shoot, we got a changeling thing going on here.

Speaker 39 And Sai said, Are you eight and a half feet? And she said, No, no, I'm actually nine and a half feet.

Speaker 39 So, obviously, it's not a great campaign.

Speaker 39 What the fuck is happening? If you're going to have, if you're going to go with the lizard people,

Speaker 39 which I believe the lizard people is just pure anti-Semitism.

Speaker 39 But if you're going to go with the lizard people thing,

Speaker 39 why do they appear as humans? I don't. Yeah.

Speaker 39 Like, why are you making them lizard people if they're because it's, I don't know.

Speaker 39 I've never wanted to get, never wanted to read about or get into the lizard people conspiracy because I just, it's like so funk on, like, I'm not going to waste my time reading one article about what the fuck those people think.

Speaker 39 I've read some and it's insane. Yeah.

Speaker 39 So you're talking about like the David Icke shit.

Speaker 39 Because David Icke. Or maybe not.
Well, he's the guy who came up with reptilians. Oh, he is.
Yeah. And then that, yeah, then that.
That's what it is. Yeah.

Speaker 39 Conspiracy ran rampant through Bo's presidential campaign. Journalist Adam Parfait spoke to several campaign workers who said their phones were tapped and someone was opening their mail.
Imagine just

Speaker 39 a whole presidential campaign of just all conspiracy people. How gross.

Speaker 39 Oh my God. I would love to work there just to fuck

Speaker 39 all conspiracies.

Speaker 39 Bo's San Diego campaign coordinator claimed, quote, the CIA shot at my house. They're trying to get rid of me.

Speaker 39 But when Parfait asked the coordinator's wife, she shot back with, quote, that's a lot of bull crap. It was just gang members.
No, it was not. It was the CIA.
And the lizards.

Speaker 39 The lizards?

Speaker 39 Fuck. I can't talk right now.
She doesn't know what's going on. My wife is being so negative.
I think my wife's a lizard. I'm pretty sure.
They got her.

Speaker 39 Hey, hon, how tall are you?

Speaker 39 5'9.

Speaker 39 Shit. During this time, Bo was getting close with Pastor Pete Peters, spending time.
Hey, your name's real, right? Yeah!

Speaker 39 You promise?

Speaker 39 Spending time at his Christian compound in the Rockies.

Speaker 39 Peters was leader of the Christian identity movement, which is based upon the belief that white European Anglo-Saxons were the true Israelites and Jews are satanic imposters.

Speaker 39 He and Beau and all their friends were, in fact, the real chosen people. This is, of course, the same movement of Matt Shea,

Speaker 39 a part of episode from episode 381.

Speaker 39 Right. Okay.
So if you remember the Matt Shay episode, now he's hanging with those bros. I just,

Speaker 39 in my head,

Speaker 39 Bo

Speaker 39 is,

Speaker 39 he's,

Speaker 39 he's not on board with all these people. Like, in my head, he's kind of like,

Speaker 39 wait, what? Yeah. Like, he's like, I'm crazy, but I got like a very specific crazy.
No, but he's now gone down the crazy road. So he's in.
Yeah, he went from being

Speaker 39 a guy who hung out with his ghost dad

Speaker 39 to now like just being like, but that's like what happens. It would be so great to show the grandma where he ended up.

Speaker 39 See? That's why you don't put a kid in a plane with a ghost dad, you idiot.

Speaker 39 So Bo and Peters

Speaker 39 differed on one thing. Peters had a book called Death Penalty for Homosexuals is Prescribed in the Bible,

Speaker 39 which was dedicated to Bo.

Speaker 39 What?

Speaker 39 Oh, that's very nice.

Speaker 39 That's an honor. That's a very nice thing to do.
Because Bo told him that he would, quote, fight to the death to allow anyone their rights, including homosexuals.

Speaker 39 Unfortunately, Bo slid a little bit to the pastor's side, trying to split the difference.

Speaker 39 Quote: There are first-degree murderers that deserve to be electrocuted, and there are third-degree murderers that ought to be released.

Speaker 39 There are first-degree homosexuals who probably should be skipping. You're under arrest.
I've actually known some first-degree homosexuals. Yeah,

Speaker 39 They're the best ones. They are.
They're fun. I know at a party.

Speaker 39 You have any idea why I pulled you over?

Speaker 39 Shit. A first-degree gay guy.

Speaker 39 Pop the trunk, sir. Gladly.

Speaker 39 Are you first-degree or third-degree? I'll suck anything. Oh, it's the first degree.
All right, look. They're going to drop the first-degree homosexual charge, but they're going to give you

Speaker 39 a man's gay.

Speaker 39 So there are first-degree homosexuals who probably should be skinned alive. You find them at San Francisco.
Jesus Christ. Yeah.

Speaker 39 You find them at San Francisco making ads that say, we're going to pervert your sons and daughters. We're going to commit these atrocities.
By the way, those ads were so common.

Speaker 39 I don't know if people, like, if younger people don't remember how much, like,

Speaker 39 I think gay people

Speaker 39 try to make it seem like back then they just wanted to be left alone and do their own thing and have a culture that they enjoyed. You know what they wanted.
They were trying to

Speaker 39 be accepted and not be fucking bothered. That's it.
They had posters everywhere talking about how they wanted to wait until night and then they wanted to take your sons and daughters and gay them up.

Speaker 39 I lived in San Francisco and there were posters everywhere that were like, Billboard, when you sleep, we're coming for your boys.

Speaker 39 We will take your children and we will give them the gay potion.

Speaker 39 Much like the American government would take Native American kids and give them to white parents to raise. No, different.
It's

Speaker 39 the same thing

Speaker 39 with the gay

Speaker 39 agenda cult.

Speaker 39 It's always that shit where it's like, look, as long as I don't try to kiss me. Yeah.

Speaker 39 Well, also, like,

Speaker 39 this is no different than what they do with cities today, right? So he just made up something that is happening in the city and then says, you know. It's a problem.

Speaker 39 Take him out as far as I'm concerned. And it's like, no, you just made up something to get mad at.
They're doing the same thing today. No difference.
Constantly.

Speaker 39 I mean, that's pretty much all they do. Yeah.

Speaker 39 By far the most notable moment on Bo's campaign, perhaps the biggest moment of his life, was the standoff between federal agents and white separatists in a small home in northern Idaho in the mountains in an area called Ruby Ridge.

Speaker 39 Oh, Jesus Christ. Okay, that'll be part three.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 39 Oh, my God.

Speaker 39 I might start smoking.

Speaker 39 Oh, God.

Speaker 39 Did you want to do sources again or whatever? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 39 Sources for

Speaker 39 this episode. First of all, Josh Andruski wrote it.
A Revolution of Small Guns by Adam Parfait is Sandy Go Reader. Prisoners of Hope by Susan Katz-Keating.
That's a book.

Speaker 39 And Ruby Ridge, Part 3, Fear and Faith by Corey Broshnahan and PBS American Experience.

Speaker 39 Hey, dollop fans. I know you love the dollop.
You love listening to the dollop. Do you want to watch the dollop? You're like, Gareth, what are you talking about?

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