692 - Jimmy Swaggart - part two

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Speaker 7 colonization. No.

Speaker 9 No.

Speaker 38 No.

Speaker 8 Why are you ruining fun?

Speaker 7 Okay, so

Speaker 7 we are back in with Jimmy Swaggart, who has

Speaker 7 essentially risen up through the ranks and he's a massive televangelist, the biggest in the country. He's eliminated other televangelists to grow his audience.
He's peak. He's peak swagger.

Speaker 7 It's 1985, I think.

Speaker 38 He's got swag.

Speaker 7 He has

Speaker 7 a TV audience of 2.1 million, ministries complex that's worth 100 million. He's got 1,500 employees.
He has a college. So he is tearing it up.

Speaker 40 College is the, when you have the college, that's when you're like, yeah, that's right.

Speaker 23 All right. I'm pretty good now.

Speaker 7 Yeah, Fawo's got a college. He's got a college.
Yeah. Yeah.
They're loving it at that point.

Speaker 7 So, Swaggart, like a lot of other us born-agains actively supported renamo which is the mozambique

Speaker 7 mozambican national resistance

Speaker 38 you knew that you knew that wait what i have to tell you that what's great is i've heard this one before um uh what is this it's a renamo uh or renamo uh

Speaker 7 probably renamo it is a a very anti-communist political and militant group in the the 15-year Mozambique Civil War.

Speaker 44 Boy, I'll tell you, if people ever figure out that there's a lot of good in communism, there's going to be a lot of reckoning to do.

Speaker 37 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Han men like

Speaker 7 televangelists savagely attack communism because they're fucking con men.

Speaker 24 You know, it really is the ideology version of heavy metal.

Speaker 49 They just keep being like, don't, don't get involved there.

Speaker 50 You'd be in a lot of trouble if you chuck communism.

Speaker 25 Yeah.

Speaker 7 So, Mozambique and Angola made the mistake of overthrowing colonial rule and installing socialist governments while having tons of natural resources. That's obviously

Speaker 39 not how you do it.

Speaker 19 Nobody needs more freedom than the places with resources.

Speaker 36 They need to be democratized in the way that we see fit.

Speaker 24 And for people who don't know what that version of democracy is, that's where we put a shithead in charge.

Speaker 51 We'll do whatever we say and give us everything.

Speaker 26 And then you're going to be probably like, there'll be like a slave market at some point.

Speaker 9 Well, that, okay. Yeah.

Speaker 39 Freedom. That's called freedom.

Speaker 7 Yeah, that sounds freedom. A Marxist group wanted to form a one-party state out of Angola, Mozambique, and Guinea-Bissau, and war started.

Speaker 7 Now, Renamo were accused of systematic war crimes and killing many civilians.

Speaker 25 Okay.

Speaker 7 So, of course, they were supported by right-wing Christian organizations because who doesn't love killing more than right-wing Christian organizations in the U.S.

Speaker 7 One was called Child Care Ministries, to which Jimmy is a huge donor.

Speaker 25 Sure.

Speaker 7 Now, remember when he got the

Speaker 7 estate funds, right?

Speaker 15 He's got all that money from

Speaker 19 the thrice widow.

Speaker 7 Yeah, this really rich widow dies. She leaves him a bunch of money.
One of those things are

Speaker 21 oil wells,

Speaker 7 and he gets $100,000 a month, but he has to give it all to child ministries.

Speaker 6 I will tell you,

Speaker 6 we have got to rise up.

Speaker 6 We have a got the drama.

Speaker 7 It's just, I just said it again, and every time I hear it, I just, it's the craziest. Yeah.

Speaker 7 So, uh, because that was the, that was the court solution.

Speaker 17 Like, whatever.

Speaker 39 Right. Yeah.

Speaker 39 I can't.

Speaker 22 So we have come to a determination that we think everyone will find appropriate.

Speaker 7 So he's promoting Ronamo on TV,

Speaker 7 and a photo taken at a Ronamo base showed piles of religious books, and most of them are swaggered books. So he's taking the $100,000 and just cranking out books and sending them to fucking Africa.

Speaker 7 Like, fucking Jesus.

Speaker 37 Just like fucking...

Speaker 7 Just the worst people. What about food, you fuck?

Speaker 48 NBA championship runner-up jerseys.

Speaker 7 Right. You can be sending him clothes, food, medicine, like, you know, the basics to survive, or you could send him books.

Speaker 54 Which is so, again, it's like so

Speaker 13 they, it's like

Speaker 19 the idea that they always are asking, like, what would Jesus do?

Speaker 55 And it's like, well, what the fuck do you think he'd do?

Speaker 37 It's like, what would he do?

Speaker 8 It would be food.

Speaker 56 It would be food and survival items.

Speaker 58 Yeah.

Speaker 7 So now it turns out Jimmy has been seeing a sex worker.

Speaker 59 Dave.

Speaker 7 Her name was Deborah Murphy.

Speaker 7 with two E's, not a Y.

Speaker 15 So already. So not a Murphy bed.

Speaker 7 Already I think she's ridiculous.

Speaker 59 Yeah.

Speaker 16 Yeah. Murphy.

Speaker 7 He picked her up on the street.

Speaker 17 Boy, that's so careless for a guy who has so much to lose.

Speaker 7 Like, why would you just, although,

Speaker 7 okay, so there's no internet.

Speaker 59 Right.

Speaker 7 Yeah. There's ads.
There's definitely ads in

Speaker 7 like your weekly

Speaker 7 magazines, like your SF weekly,

Speaker 7 the like independent newspapers in every city have

Speaker 7 in the back.

Speaker 16 Paper trail.

Speaker 7 But you can just call them and go, hey. Yeah.
I don't know how else you would find one back then. I'm sure there were other

Speaker 59 ways.

Speaker 7 Harder, for sure, much harder than now.

Speaker 7 But anyway,

Speaker 7 he picks up a lady who's streetwalking.

Speaker 7 And he asks her questions to be sure she wasn't a cop.

Speaker 9 Like what? I don't know.

Speaker 25 What would you do? What do you have?

Speaker 7 Hello. are you

Speaker 7 a cop? Well, you could be like, can I see your privates? I don't think a cop would show.

Speaker 7 So you roll up and you go, may I see your vagina?

Speaker 42 Yeah, that's okay. So there you go.

Speaker 60 I think it took us a minute, but we figured it out.

Speaker 7 Or can I see your boobs?

Speaker 24 May I see everything?

Speaker 55 Yeah, well, I mean, but I mean, like, you know, the act itself is like checking for a wire.

Speaker 23 So, you know, it'd be like, may I search you for a while?

Speaker 25 Yeah.

Speaker 7 I don't know what else you'd ask. I mean, they have to have been ridiculous questions.
Are you a police officer?

Speaker 15 No.

Speaker 7 So she gets in her car, in his car, sorry, and lifts up her skirt. So, oh, I'm right.
Cops aren't supposed to expose themselves to Johns. That's entrapment if they do, apparently.
Yeah.

Speaker 44 It's just for, it's just, no, but it's just for cops to do now whenever they want.

Speaker 7 Well, now cops can,

Speaker 7 a cop can fuck a sex worker now and then arrest them.

Speaker 30 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 60 Well, because we figured out how the system should be.

Speaker 39 Like, we've.

Speaker 36 Well, now, like, a guy pretending to be a cop can just take someone.

Speaker 25 So that's

Speaker 41 a problem that's only going to get worse.

Speaker 15 And that's good.

Speaker 7 Okay, so if a cop shows you their privates.

Speaker 24 By the way, you know what I'm going to do next time I get pulled over?

Speaker 23 Yeah.

Speaker 24 May I see your cock, sir?

Speaker 7 Yeah, that's fair. To make sure.
You're asking the cop that? Yeah. Just a traffic stop? Yeah.
I feel like you're not getting what's going on here.

Speaker 24 I think I haven't worked out the perfect version yet, but I do think I'm.

Speaker 27 Sir, I believe you to be a police officer.

Speaker 36 May I see your penis?

Speaker 63 I think that works.

Speaker 14 You pull me over, right?

Speaker 32 You pull me over, you walk up to the window, do the license and registration.

Speaker 7 Uh, sir, can I see your license and registration?

Speaker 24 Uh, sir, I have a suspicion that you're a police officer. Before I hand you anything, may I see your penis?

Speaker 38 Yes, okay.

Speaker 65 I think this guy's a god.

Speaker 7 Okay, so

Speaker 7 she said he looked like Jimmy Jimmy Swaggart.

Speaker 66 And he said...

Speaker 7 He said people say that, but his name is actually Billy.

Speaker 19 My name is actually.

Speaker 7 My cousin's name?

Speaker 22 I know two names.

Speaker 10 I get that all the time.

Speaker 7 My name's actually Billy Lee.

Speaker 33 My name is Billy Lee.

Speaker 7 The first time he

Speaker 7 jerked off in a car. So the first time he sees her,

Speaker 7 he just jerks it. Great.
That's, you know, okay.

Speaker 17 It's great.

Speaker 7 But then he saw her again and again.

Speaker 35 I wonder where he put it.

Speaker 7 The

Speaker 7 stuff? Yeah.

Speaker 7 Probably on the cup holder? Dash. Interesting.

Speaker 7 He had her pose naked at first.

Speaker 22 Well, he's really trying to keep it.

Speaker 7 He really, he really is helping her.

Speaker 32 He's trying to be as clean as possible.

Speaker 26 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Then he used a sex toy. He had her use a sex toy on herself.
Okay.

Speaker 22 And I'm going to bang this paper cup.

Speaker 7 You put it in there.

Speaker 7 There you go.

Speaker 37 Now give it to me.

Speaker 17 There we go.

Speaker 21 After a while, she blew him.

Speaker 10 I uh think this time you should blow me.

Speaker 62 This is this is wonderful.

Speaker 40 I wasted so many visits.

Speaker 13 Oh boy, this is better.

Speaker 9 This is so much better than jerking off a copy.

Speaker 6 You're not a cop, right?

Speaker 67 Yeah, I'm a cop.

Speaker 7 My name's Doug.

Speaker 38 Oh my God.

Speaker 7 And then eventually they had sex.

Speaker 49 Doug Clark.

Speaker 7 So they're banging now. She lived in a hotel room.
And once Jimmy saw a picture of her nine-year-old daughter, and he asked her about her family. I just can't.

Speaker 7 Just,

Speaker 24 I mean, all right. I'm going to devil's advocate.

Speaker 7 Okay, yeah.

Speaker 47 I mean, that doesn't seem neighborly.

Speaker 7 It's not terrible, I guess. Like, you're being

Speaker 7 you're, I mean, if you're sincere, yeah, I think

Speaker 68 you know what I mean.

Speaker 56 It's probably like it's awkward.

Speaker 7 Also, you could keep the kids out of it.

Speaker 7 This is a transaction.

Speaker 13 I think it's okay.

Speaker 36 I think it's, I think, I think, here, I'll do do it.

Speaker 29 This is a NASA hotel room.

Speaker 9 Who are you now?

Speaker 8 Huh?

Speaker 39 I'm Jimmy.

Speaker 67 Okay.

Speaker 7 And you just talk like that.

Speaker 39 Yes.

Speaker 25 I guess check in. All right, ready? Okay, go.

Speaker 62 Well, hello.

Speaker 7 Hi.

Speaker 50 Oh, this is a NASA hotel room.

Speaker 7 Thanks. You've been here a bunch.

Speaker 50 Hey, is that your daughter?

Speaker 7 Yes, she's nine.

Speaker 12 What's her favorite subject?

Speaker 7 She likes Jimmy Swaggard Ministries.

Speaker 9 Oh.

Speaker 14 My dick is out.

Speaker 9 Why? What?

Speaker 49 Is it enough time?

Speaker 9 I guess that's why you're here.

Speaker 12 I finished.

Speaker 7 I mean, I guess you did ask about her.

Speaker 66 It's like how you do it.

Speaker 7 Quote, then he started asking me questions like, Has she started to develop?

Speaker 14 Oh, kidokie.

Speaker 7 You know, private parts.

Speaker 14 Oh, my God.

Speaker 39 What the fuck?

Speaker 7 It's got to be her boobs. I mean, it developed.

Speaker 12 Does she have a title?

Speaker 7 I said, well, no, she's only nine years old. That's fair.

Speaker 56 No, no.

Speaker 46 Now I get why you were upset.

Speaker 43 Well, you don't.

Speaker 7 First, yes, because they're in a completely sexual, they're there for sex, and you don't start talking about your kids. Like, just.

Speaker 19 I think I could buy the opening small talk, but then asking about boobs of a nine-year-old, obviously, that's where we're.

Speaker 7 Yeah, it's bad. Yep, and then he started asking,

Speaker 7 Well, can I meet her?

Speaker 39 Oh, no, and we'll call

Speaker 7 and we can tell her I'm a photographer, and then I'll start taking pictures of you, and she'll get comfortable and you know, maybe participate in it.

Speaker 47 Participate in the fucking?

Speaker 7 You should be able to hit him with a shovel in the face.

Speaker 51 Jesus Christ, this is so fucking

Speaker 29 it's just, it's so again, I am very curious about like

Speaker 24 how much of that behavior.

Speaker 7 Like, is that behavior already in him, or is it because of this full suppression that he just kind of becomes like a pedophile like because it's all been off limits and now his brain is mushed out because of it i have no idea how this shit works maybe i mean oh maybe maybe like since one thing's off limits everything that's off yeah that's what i mean it's like he's just got a lake of taboo now either way shovel shovel yeah yeah for sure um

Speaker 7 So, Deborah quote, you can do whatever turns you on, but don't ever mention my daughter again. Good.
Fair.

Speaker 7 Another Deborah client was a cop named Gorman, who happened to be a Reverend Marvin Gorman's son.

Speaker 39 Okay.

Speaker 7 Both. So first episode, Gorman was a guy who was, he was a reverend.
He was banging

Speaker 7 another Reverend's wife while supposed to be counseling them. Savage.
He's having sex, apparently, a lot of affairs. And someone got a tape of the wife's confession and then took Gorman down.

Speaker 7 And Jimmy is the

Speaker 7 guy who got the tape and took him down.

Speaker 22 Just remember the next time you go to confession,

Speaker 22 it could be tape.

Speaker 7 Be careful.

Speaker 25 Could be tape.

Speaker 7 So

Speaker 7 this is revenge.

Speaker 42 Right.

Speaker 7 And it's crazy. What a crazy fucking coincidence that she has another client that's a cop.

Speaker 7 So she tells him she's fucking Jimmy Swaggart, quote, and he got real interested, you know, and started asking me questions and stuff. And I couldn't understand why.

Speaker 47 Well, she doesn't, does she know he's Jimmy Swagger now?

Speaker 7 Is she still she knows it's Jimmy Swagger?

Speaker 51 Yeah, so she's like, Why is it so interesting?

Speaker 7 Well, I think he's really into it, like, yeah,

Speaker 7 but yeah, you're right.

Speaker 58 I mean, it's I mean, I'd be like, What's the big deal?

Speaker 44 He's just like the largest preacher on TV.

Speaker 34 What you're with, you learn, you're a fan, you want me to get an autograph?

Speaker 7 So then the cop starts calling her every day.

Speaker 7 Um,

Speaker 7 and Reverend Gorman

Speaker 7 tells Reverend Gorman because that's his dad. Yeah.
And

Speaker 7 what a conversation. So, dad, I was.

Speaker 37 Okay.

Speaker 39 What did you want to talk to me about, boy?

Speaker 7 So, I was having sex. I'm having sex with this

Speaker 7 escort.

Speaker 7 I'm having sex with escort at a hotel.

Speaker 59 Oh,

Speaker 42 well,

Speaker 66 look, we all have

Speaker 22 ways of fraying at times. And

Speaker 33 I would hate to be the...

Speaker 69 As long as you're learning a new path.

Speaker 22 Look, I'm narced up.

Speaker 7 No, I know a lot.

Speaker 22 Pilly women who are in relationships.

Speaker 70 Yeah, no. But I never took my shirt off.

Speaker 11 So

Speaker 27 we've all got lines.

Speaker 11 But I think the important thing is that you now go forward and learn yourself a lesson or two, boy.

Speaker 7 Well, she's also banging Jimmy Swaggart.

Speaker 32 Sorry.

Speaker 22 You're RGB. You're cockbroing with the swaggies?

Speaker 9 No, I'm not.

Speaker 7 I wouldn't call it cockbrook.

Speaker 42 Okay.

Speaker 7 But I'm saying Jimmy Swaggart is having sex with an escort.

Speaker 42 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 53 And you are too.

Speaker 7 He's your enemy. Yeah, but don't worry about me.

Speaker 25 Yeah.

Speaker 7 We're not in the shirt off. It's not a DPP.

Speaker 11 Is he taking his shirt off or is he just kind of

Speaker 7 trunking his arms? He doesn't know the details about the shirt. I didn't ask about shirt.

Speaker 47 Is he unzipping or is his...

Speaker 7 Yeah, they're having sex, so he has to.

Speaker 11 But is his belt unbuckled?

Speaker 7 Dad, I feel like you're missing the thing where the guy who took you down is having sex with an escort.

Speaker 32 I'll be able to have that conversation, which is exciting because I love a resurrection.

Speaker 33 But

Speaker 11 is his penis out through the hole in his boxers and the belt is unbuckled?

Speaker 60 What are you doing?

Speaker 44 And is his shirt on or off?

Speaker 24 And if it's a button shirt, does he have an undershirt?

Speaker 28 Is it unbuttoned?

Speaker 32 And if it is, is the undershirt, does he hold it under his chin so that you see the tummy?

Speaker 10 Because if he's doing the thing where his shirt and his pants are off,

Speaker 42 whoa.

Speaker 32 But if he's just slipping it out through the zipper hole and the boxer hole and his shirts on and it's gonna be tough that uh

Speaker 7 that's kind of like having a magical cloak she said all he wears is a bib

Speaker 7 we got a fucking comeback on our hands

Speaker 50 boy oh boy what an idiot why would he put himself in that position i don't know you all you that's why the lord gave us a zipper yeah

Speaker 56 You could slip it out.

Speaker 7 Hey, Dad, you're fine.

Speaker 12 And then just be.

Speaker 58 And then what I liked to do was I would put a little bit of plastic wrap around the zipper teeth.

Speaker 24 Dad.

Speaker 69 So as to not get chewed up.

Speaker 7 Dad, you're freaking me out.

Speaker 7 And I, and I'm also a freak. Like, I'm.

Speaker 22 Oh, there's nothing freaky about what we're doing, son.

Speaker 42 Okay.

Speaker 20 We just don't want our zippers biting

Speaker 7 the shaft.

Speaker 59 Come here. No.

Speaker 7 Kiss daddy. No.
Kiss daddy's head. Dad, Deborah quotes.

Speaker 17 Lick my ear, buddy. Oh, sorry.

Speaker 7 Next one.

Speaker 7 I'm done with you.

Speaker 42 I can't take it.

Speaker 7 You hungry? So, Reverend Gorman hires a detective to follow and figure out. So one day while Jimmy and Deborah are doing their thing, Jimmy feels like something's off.

Speaker 7 And he says there's too much heat. It's getting too hot.
What is the sex? No, the whole energy. Yeah, everything's.

Speaker 7 So several women had been busted that week, but Gorman's detectives have been surveying Swaggart and Deborah for three weeks now.

Speaker 7 And Jimmy goes out to his car

Speaker 7 after he says there's too much heat, he's leaving, and it has a flat tire.

Speaker 7 And Deborah notices a blue car keeps circling the hotel.

Speaker 42 Woohoo!

Speaker 25 Woo!

Speaker 5 We're going to bust Jimmy Swaggart to dad.

Speaker 9 I love that.

Speaker 9 Who would notice that?

Speaker 70 Dude, the sirens are.

Speaker 29 Oh, shit.

Speaker 7 She assumed it was a cop. Then the car pulled into the parking lot and Gorman got out.

Speaker 7 And Gorman talks to Jimmy for two hours until Jimmy admits it.

Speaker 42 Wow.

Speaker 7 It is believed the detective flattened the tire to give Gorman enough time to get to the motel and catch Jimmy in the act.

Speaker 7 And

Speaker 7 he wants to take Jimmy down himself, like after what Jimmy did to him.

Speaker 62 What is this?

Speaker 26 It's kind of a weird, like, so you're a detective for the day.

Speaker 11 Like, what are, like, what he's been deputized for the afternoon?

Speaker 7 Well, he, no, he, it's got nothing to do with the law.

Speaker 29 But the detective, isn't the detective going to be

Speaker 24 like, wouldn't it be better for a detective to just arrest him and then put him in a room and get like a confession?

Speaker 7 It's just the minister. It's not the detective.
It's the minister.

Speaker 16 Doesn't he talk to a detective, though?

Speaker 7 His son,

Speaker 7 Minister Gorman, who Swaggart took out. Yep.
His son told him. Yep.
So then Minister Gorman hired the private detective.

Speaker 64 Oh, private detective. I thought it was like a regular detective.

Speaker 45 No, no.

Speaker 17 Oh, okay.

Speaker 17 This is all off the

Speaker 25 ticket. Okay.

Speaker 7 So Jimmy said he would publicly apologize to Gorman for lying about him having affairs. Remember, he said Gorman had over 100 affairs.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 And help him get back into the assemblies of God.

Speaker 51 He's going to wish he got a regular cop.

Speaker 7 Yes.

Speaker 7 So Gorman waits.

Speaker 67 And he waits.

Speaker 7 And months are going by.

Speaker 11 Oh, I'd imagine if they just sit through all that, that, all that swagger

Speaker 22 preaching, just like,

Speaker 37 Christ, three-hour sermon and not even a wink.

Speaker 7 So there are rumors now swirling that Swaggart has been caught leaving a hotel with a sex worker.

Speaker 38 Okay.

Speaker 7 And Gorman sent Jimmy a note saying, that's it. Time's up.

Speaker 8 Okay.

Speaker 70 Hey, Jimmy. Enough.

Speaker 36 It's been six months since I busted you in that parking lot as a fake detective.

Speaker 7 Jimmy, Jimmy says nothing to the, he doesn't respond to the time's up.

Speaker 35 Jimmy's handling it right, he's probably stressed out.

Speaker 7 Then Gorman goes to the executive uh presbytery. I don't know what that is, the whatever, must be the board or whatever, of the assemblies of God and showed them the photos.

Speaker 7 So he went to the top-notch, you know, sure, the criminal definitely going the biblical route

Speaker 7 on February 21st, 1988. Jimmy delivered what became known as his I have sinned speech.

Speaker 7 He didn't say what he had done, no details at all, just that he had sinned. And this is on live TV, on stage, packed church.
He cries, his wife nods.

Speaker 11 By the way, not at all what Gorman's like, yeah, okay, dear.

Speaker 5 You said fuck a hundred women.

Speaker 5 I want to address myself

Speaker 73 as best as I know how.

Speaker 1 Address myself to those that I have wronged, that I have sinned against.

Speaker 20 Yeah, you're good.

Speaker 20 First of all,

Speaker 72 my wife, Frances.

Speaker 72 God never gave a man

Speaker 72 a better helpmate and companion.

Speaker 9 Oh,

Speaker 9 you're showing her.

Speaker 7 I don't know why the sound went out.

Speaker 17 She is.

Speaker 11 She's not.

Speaker 73 Fuck me. As far as as this gospel has been taken through the ether waves.

Speaker 17 Ether waves

Speaker 18 to the great cities of the world and cover this globe, it would never have been done

Speaker 18 were it not for her strength.

Speaker 7 Okay, so

Speaker 7 this goes on for a while, so I'm going to speed it up.

Speaker 7 I'm going to go forward like three minutes.

Speaker 17 We're going to go forward.

Speaker 22 I like three minutes.

Speaker 38 Boy, him, by the way, real quick,

Speaker 61 him having an orgasm based on his cadence here.

Speaker 5 Not great.

Speaker 17 I mean, that had to be.

Speaker 37 Oh,

Speaker 6 I'm a gonofin.

Speaker 12 Oh, it's a common.

Speaker 6 Oh, boy.

Speaker 37 I'm about to pop a beggar boy.

Speaker 6 Oh, it's a.

Speaker 13 Oh, I see.

Speaker 68 It's a.

Speaker 13 Oh, wow.

Speaker 14 I've a sinner there of a thing.

Speaker 5 Wow.

Speaker 17 I'm a maid of sin.

Speaker 7 I wish I'd never seen that.

Speaker 23 Us having eye contact during it was upsetting.

Speaker 7 Okay, so now he's fully out of the way. I've chirped about

Speaker 7 three minutes ahead, and now he's lip quiver crying. Yeah, he's lip quiver crying.

Speaker 7 That went the wrong way.

Speaker 18 Okay.

Speaker 18 The one whom I serve

Speaker 18 and I love and I worship. Wow.

Speaker 41 No tears.

Speaker 73 I bow at his feet

Speaker 73 who has saved me

Speaker 73 and washed me and cleansed me.

Speaker 73 I have sinned against you, my Lord.

Speaker 73 And I would ask that your precious blood

Speaker 73 would wash and cleanse

Speaker 18 every stain

Speaker 18 until

Speaker 73 it is in the seas of God's forgetfulness.

Speaker 18 Never to be remembered again.

Speaker 7 That's fake. That's gotta be someone anymore.

Speaker 59 I don't know.

Speaker 59 No,

Speaker 7 Wow. I don't know who.
I don't know. I don't know if someone added that or if that was actually someone yelling that.

Speaker 23 Jamie, can you bring up the

Speaker 64 so that?

Speaker 52 Okay, that makes me think, like, this is what I don't get is like,

Speaker 75 I don't.

Speaker 51 You don't.

Speaker 43 This is the deal.

Speaker 44 If you really are like a

Speaker 66 beacon for

Speaker 19 the religious to

Speaker 28 teach the and preach the Bible, you do not, you just don't get to fuck up like this.

Speaker 24 That's just like part of the deal.

Speaker 27 You are being held to a standard that

Speaker 75 is just, sorry, you're the one who's setting the fucking tone for the room.

Speaker 51 So if you're saying you can't do anything, you're not allowed to do this, you can't do this, whatever, then guess what?

Speaker 30 You don't get to fucking apologize.

Speaker 63 You do the thing that is

Speaker 36 religiously right and you fucking return all the money, you fuck off and you start going to another place to try to get yourself.

Speaker 42 You don't just get to sit there and just vaguely be like, I will washing into the river of God's forgetfulness.

Speaker 7 I mean, you, the thing about being this type of Christian is you.

Speaker 7 It's almost like they want you to fuck up and then repent. And you know what I mean? Like, it's almost like the flock is like,

Speaker 7 I don't know.

Speaker 7 They love it when you come clean with your sins.

Speaker 54 I don't know.

Speaker 54 I really don't know because I think that like

Speaker 75 his popularity.

Speaker 7 Let me just say they gave him a standing ovation.

Speaker 32 Yeah.

Speaker 30 Well, I think they are.

Speaker 29 It's a cult. I mean, those people who are in that church are in a fucking cult, no doubt.

Speaker 22 Yeah. You know, but

Speaker 36 I'm sure there are

Speaker 29 others who are like, bro, go fuck yourself.

Speaker 65 No, you know, like, you, you don't get to do that.

Speaker 60 That's like fucking bullshit.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Well, he gets a standing O, and then his wife hugs him. Um, the presbytery of the assemblies of God suspended him for three months.

Speaker 7 There you go. Take that.
He's on IR. Then the national presbytery suspended him for a year

Speaker 7 and ordered two years of counseling from preachers.

Speaker 7 So now he's got a fuck a preacher.

Speaker 25 Oh Oh, my God.

Speaker 7 But two months later, he refused the longer suspension.

Speaker 7 Quote, We believe that to stay out of the public for a year would totally destroy the television ministry and greatly adversely impact the college.

Speaker 38 Sorry, bro.

Speaker 13 That's...

Speaker 7 Yo, you fucked up.

Speaker 58 That's why you shouldn't fucking do.

Speaker 29 That's why you cannot say that you walk on fucking water.

Speaker 38 Yeah.

Speaker 25 Yeah.

Speaker 7 And so he talked to the press, his wife and his son, Donnie.

Speaker 7 We're standing there with him. Donnie's 34 now.
So the Presbytery has a phone meeting and votes to defrock him for moral failures. So

Speaker 7 their response to that is like,

Speaker 7 yeah, fuck you. Yeah.
Like, you know, you were, you were fucking.

Speaker 22 You gave it you like an easy out, dude.

Speaker 7 Hey, you're banging a fucking sex worker, bro. Deborah Murphy goes public.
One reason was because she was asked about her daughter. So she was fucking pissed about that.

Speaker 7 Quote, he's out there preaching about all this pornography and stuff. And turns out he's wanting to do it with a nine-year-old girl.
If I hadn't come out with it, he'd still be in the ministries.

Speaker 9 She's right.

Speaker 7 Pandas paid her between $75,000 and $100,000 for an exclusive and to recreate the poses Jimmy requested. while she was naked in photos.

Speaker 26 So this is where you're talking about

Speaker 41 our culture being dog shit.

Speaker 18 Yes.

Speaker 44 We really want to get to the bottom of what happened there.

Speaker 19 Also, you said reverse cowgirl. Do you mind doing a couple of those for us?

Speaker 7 Right. So, I mean, because it is Penthouse magazine.

Speaker 23 They have to find that in.

Speaker 7 Yeah, everyone wants to see her naked, right? Like, that's going to be a thing. But, okay, giving her $100,000 to do an interview.

Speaker 67 Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 7 But yeah, now it's just grossly exploitative.

Speaker 64 Yeah.

Speaker 19 And I mean, that would nowadays, like, that's a success story now.

Speaker 28 I mean, that's just what it is.

Speaker 47 It's like,

Speaker 40 like, you kick the can further down the street and look at our culture now.

Speaker 23 And it's like,

Speaker 24 well, what do you want to do? Do DoorDash or OnlyFans?

Speaker 39 Yeah.

Speaker 7 I mean, yeah.

Speaker 7 So

Speaker 7 it's all just gross. Quote, she said, quote, God, what a freak.
Three eighths, kinky, three eighths. Here he is.

Speaker 25 Maybe that was.

Speaker 7 I don't know. Maybe that was

Speaker 16 a recipe to make a Jimmy at home.

Speaker 7 I don't understand that.

Speaker 7 Here he is up there preaching for all this money. And when I see him, he's kinky and cheap too

Speaker 7 he only paid 20

Speaker 62 oh my

Speaker 37 god

Speaker 7 oh my god oh my god he's also got so much money that's the thing is like yeah he's got so much money that he could be hooked up with whatever the top agencies whatever they are I'm sure there was back then a way, even if, even if you're a minister, to figure it out and get the highest, most discreet

Speaker 33 or a brothel or Or to her, you go, I'm giving you fucking $2,000 a session.

Speaker 53 I'm paying for your silence forever.

Speaker 45 Yes.

Speaker 7 Okay. He paid only $20 and had originally offered just $10.

Speaker 67 Oh my God.

Speaker 9 He's got a dude like James Gordon.

Speaker 37 He negotiated.

Speaker 51 Jesus Christ.

Speaker 7 What does it mean to James Gordon?

Speaker 22 Just like shitty, tipping, fucking rich dude who doesn't want to pay writers.

Speaker 17 He's a piece of tip.

Speaker 7 The going rate for oral sex was between 30 and 40 which jimmy refused to pay so if oral sex is 30 40 then i would assume that like sex sex is like double that or whatever this is look i'm not trying to like say the other stuff makes any sense

Speaker 9 but what a crazy thing for a guy with that much money to do yeah to be like i'm gonna nickel and dime really seriously like i'm gonna turn you against me a little bit when you're totally vulnerable to that person when you're totally vulnerable and you're like

Speaker 66 your

Speaker 25 is built around things like this not happening yeah and you're like could we do five

Speaker 11 how about i just whack off on the front seat for a nickel

Speaker 7 so jimmy goes back on the pulpit when his three-month suspension is up but that's just the the like local one not the national one right he's still defrocked there um

Speaker 7 he's now an independent not denominational pentecostal minister.

Speaker 35 Wait, what is he?

Speaker 7 He's an Gwen Indy.

Speaker 49 I believe in the label.

Speaker 7 I assume there's some sort of

Speaker 7 certification or certification or like, yeah.

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Speaker 7 He creates Jimmy Swagert Ministries in Baton Rouge.

Speaker 7 He lost some broadcast and merch rights.

Speaker 7 Merch. A ton of students left his Bible college, both because of the scandal and because now there's accreditation issues.
So it's not a fucking college.

Speaker 25 Right, right.

Speaker 23 Like it was.

Speaker 7 Three months later, the story explodes when it hits Penthouse.

Speaker 59 Right.

Speaker 7 So up until then, it's just small and within the religious world. And now it's everybody.

Speaker 17 Right.

Speaker 7 Deborah goes on Donahue, Larry King, and Geraldo and does a 10-city PR tour.

Speaker 42 Fucking A, dude.

Speaker 7 I hope she made a lot of fucking money. I hope she, I really hope she did.

Speaker 36 She probably

Speaker 15 made some pretty good money to go on tour.

Speaker 26 Right?

Speaker 19 You bet those talk shows didn't pay much.

Speaker 35 Actually, they probably did.

Speaker 19 They probably paid pretty well considering they were all fighting for that.

Speaker 16 That's are you looking up like her net worth or whatever?

Speaker 9 Yeah, well, I just want to, yeah, let's.

Speaker 7 Okay, so this is what she looks like. If you want to,

Speaker 64 oh, Oh, wow. She's at penthouse there.

Speaker 17 Oh, yeah. She is.

Speaker 7 Well, I mean, look, I hope she got out of it what.

Speaker 25 Yeah.

Speaker 74 I mean, again, we have no real.

Speaker 7 Okay, this is what I want to print out. This is the gross one.
So that's like a pose of her

Speaker 7 kneeling in front of a chair. That's the penthouse thing.

Speaker 7 It's so gross. It's so fucking gross.

Speaker 7 So

Speaker 7 Tensity Tour, when asked if his tears are real, she said, quote, well, maybe, but to me.

Speaker 24 I didn't see a tear by the way no they're in a tear he does the he does the fake cry thing yeah which is like from now on if people who legislate against the things they do have to apologize there needs to literally be like like a lie detector a tear detector

Speaker 44 someone who walks over there checks them for reality tears swabs them Right.

Speaker 24 Yeah.

Speaker 19 And if there's not tears, then you go, I don't know what to tell you.

Speaker 63 All I can say is that this, it's like the same shit where they're just like, now they'll be like, what do you think of this?

Speaker 22 And I haven't actually read that.

Speaker 45 Yeah.

Speaker 76 You're like, well, okay, then what, what, tell me what your fucking job is.

Speaker 27 You read the shit and have a fucking opinion the next day, asshole.

Speaker 35 What's going on?

Speaker 32 I haven't had a chance.

Speaker 40 I've been so busy making TikToks.

Speaker 7 Gareth got really upset. Everybody heard that.

Speaker 7 Okay, so.

Speaker 7 Well, are the tears real? Well, maybe, but to me, I don't really think so because I watch him on TV. He's a totally different person when he came to see me.

Speaker 7 And that's the real person i think he was yeah you can tell in that video i played when he's crying that dude's a full-on actor it's 100 acting it's all acting yep so she went home to indiana it's amazing that the people on that level are the most

Speaker 10 the largest sinners the way that he's coming after motley crew it's like hey they say what they're doing yeah like not not to be like oh yeah they're they're whatever fucking uh heroes but they say what they're doing you motherfucker take money from people who you're convincing you have this connection to and you are so full of shit that you have to get up in front of them and lie at least between the two of them she provides a service that people need and enjoy yes uh he just takes people's money yes yeah and lives to him um

Speaker 7 so she goes home to indiana moves back in with her parents, gets a GED, and then becomes an interior decorator. Oh, nice.
Good for fucking her.

Speaker 7 Now, Jimmy's being heavily parodied, mocked, targeted. Rock stars, Jimmy had gone after, and sermons were very, very happy.

Speaker 61 I remember this part. Ozzy,

Speaker 47 isn't Ozzie? Doesn't Ozzie do a video?

Speaker 7 He writes a song about him.

Speaker 7 Ozzy writes a song called Miracle Man. And it just rips him a new one.
The video is in a church.

Speaker 7 The church is filled with pigs.

Speaker 7 And it starts with Ozzie wearing a crying Jimmy Swaggart mask, which he takes off and laughs. Again, sweet fucking victory.

Speaker 24 I mean,

Speaker 75 this is what you fucking did, asshole.

Speaker 44 Are you perfect?

Speaker 76 Oh, okay.

Speaker 64 Well, then guess what? Enjoy the fucking slide. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Fuck yeah.

Speaker 7 So.

Speaker 7 Jimmy trudges on with his televangelist business because there are people that, like, like we've seen in so many different aspects of the past like few years there's nothing you can do to shed your a lot of your audience yeah there's all these people are still gonna fucking stay there you can make some 30% will you'll retain you can make some pivot like Russell Brand or Jimmy Dore did and and pick up new people but the people just stick with you yep you can say you well the the whole canceled thing really you know that's just that just kind of in comedy just made it so it's like oh yeah you'll be all right yeah you'll you'll retain you'll retain the people who don't care about the actual facts and the details and they'll just buy your bullshit and you'll sell out fucking theaters, even though most of your material is just about how you look like a bird or whatever.

Speaker 7 It was because

Speaker 42 it's hard not to.

Speaker 9 It's like

Speaker 44 kind of the bellwether.

Speaker 7 He's just the most repugnant and off-putting. He was always the most Republican, off-putting comedian to me.

Speaker 7 And then all this stuff came out and I just watch him. And I'm just like, there's nothing likable about this human.

Speaker 77 Well, I mean, again, like,

Speaker 51 like, it's funny because

Speaker 54 the Louis C.K.

Speaker 76 stuff, like,

Speaker 24 people really do kind of at times, like,

Speaker 40 I've definitely heard dudes be like, it's not that bad.

Speaker 24 Like, I, I know two of the people who were involved in that.

Speaker 15 Yes. And when I heard their version of it, they were fucking horror.

Speaker 44 Like, it was a horrible experience for them to go through.

Speaker 52 So you can't be like, it's kind of, he's just like jacking off in a doorway.

Speaker 38 However,

Speaker 24 if you were to go talent-wise,

Speaker 24 who leaves a larger hole?

Speaker 38 Yes.

Speaker 27 That guy was doing some fucking good shit.

Speaker 55 Yes.

Speaker 64 And, you know, there's, like I'm saying, what he does is, what he did was abhorrent.

Speaker 24 And it's really, it's kind of, he.

Speaker 75 He had like this, whatever, this process where he went and he's been dinged by it as he fucking should be.

Speaker 44 But you were definitely like, oh man, I really like that guy.

Speaker 52 I don't get that with fucking, first of all, the acts are so much worse. Yes.

Speaker 77 And then it's never like, you're like, we can't replace this voice in comedy.

Speaker 43 Right.

Speaker 7 Easily you can replace that.

Speaker 29 I'll go to the comedy store and fucking throw a stone and hit someone who can do it just as good.

Speaker 7 Well, the thing about people say that Louis C.K. didn't actually do anything.

Speaker 7 If you block the doorway and are masturbating and are orgasming because of the concerned, scared look in someone's eyes, you're a fucking monster.

Speaker 22 Yeah, that is some fucking dark shit.

Speaker 7 Super dark shit.

Speaker 7 So don't tell me that that is nothing.

Speaker 7 Don't tell me that's just nothing. No, that's you getting off on fear.
Yeah. You're fucked up.

Speaker 17 Yeah, that's fucking,

Speaker 22 that's a fucking niche.

Speaker 66 Yeah.

Speaker 7 So

Speaker 7 he goes on with his televangels business, as we're talking about. Though it's falling apart.
It's not what it was, obviously. Why? Before the scandal, he had an audience of 2 million a week.

Speaker 7 In November 1990, it's down to 400,000.

Speaker 70 But it's still massive.

Speaker 7 It's still 20%. It's still 400 fucking.
It's huge.

Speaker 24 It's only small because he had 2 million.

Speaker 7 In 1989, he sold three radio stations for $10.7 million.

Speaker 36 I don't think I can pay $8 for a hand job.

Speaker 10 Could you do three or 50?

Speaker 7 Over the next couple of years nine tv stations and a local louisiana contractor filed lawsuits to collect over 200 000 from jimmy swaggered ministries

Speaker 7 he's just trying so he is he is like ptl he is uh he is spending too much and all of a sudden his his income is wiped out so he does have economic problems obviously as he should.

Speaker 7 He leased buildings to the Louisiana Department of Environmental Quality for $1.5 million a year. So it's a good story.

Speaker 7 So that's that's that's like his his bros in government, who he's paid off, are now getting his back. Yeah, that's what that is.
Um, he's also started selling land that he owned.

Speaker 7 You can't take him down, he's already got too much money. You can't, yeah, yeah.
So in July 1991, Marvin Gorman sued Jimmy for $90 million for defamation.

Speaker 53 Okay.

Speaker 7 Gorman admitted having one affair, but said Jimmy made up lies about all the other ones to ruin him.

Speaker 19 I just can't imagine this even mattering to anyone at this point.

Speaker 7 He's just got to be trying to get money, right? Because it does. Yeah, but it's like years later.

Speaker 35 He played it so horribly. Yeah.

Speaker 70 Yeah. Like film him and be like, all right, you promise?

Speaker 40 Yeah.

Speaker 23 Instead of like, all right, cool, let me help you with that tire.

Speaker 7 The trial didn't go well for anyone. Gorman won the case and got 10 million.
They would eventually settle out of court for 1.85 million. Oh, my God.

Speaker 7 But all the stuff that came out in the trial just fucked damaged. But I guess Gorman just needed money at that point, right? Sure.
So he got 1.8 million. That's pretty fucking good.

Speaker 9 Yeah, I guess.

Speaker 7 A month later, Jimmy is in Indio, California, and he's touring. It's a great place to tour.
Perfect.

Speaker 24 I know every time I've been there, I'm like, I believe in God.

Speaker 7 Just picture piss, but it dried.

Speaker 66 Yeah.

Speaker 55 Picture if you could chip piss off the floor.

Speaker 7 And put meth in it.

Speaker 7 Someone right now is listening into you like, what the fuck? Look, go outside.

Speaker 39 It got better.

Speaker 62 Go outside.

Speaker 38 Got better.

Speaker 7 The day after his 39th wedding anniversary,

Speaker 7 after spending a dinner with friends and Francis.

Speaker 7 It's nice.

Speaker 39 It's beautiful.

Speaker 38 I'm sure she's doing great.

Speaker 7 A cop pulled him over.

Speaker 7 Oh, shit.

Speaker 7 He had borrowed a 1989 Jaguar from a friend, and he was driving on the wrong side of the road in an unreal.

Speaker 50 I thought I was in Germany.

Speaker 7 The car is unregistered.

Speaker 7 And he's not wearing a seatbelt, which is now illegal. They used to pull, they would pull you over all the time when they first passed the law.

Speaker 21 In the car

Speaker 7 was Rosemary Garcia.

Speaker 7 And Garcia said Jimmy had picked her up on the side of the road for a date which is how you date

Speaker 11 before the internet you met like you probably you probably you're not like hey if we get pulled over here's how we'll play you know you're just driving her there I wish he hadn't said that that fucking Jesus Christ don't you have like talking points I know don't say you're my niece

Speaker 55 He uh he I met him on the side of the road and uh he

Speaker 14 I got in his car for money to suck his dick we're dating

Speaker 11 She uh, she loves to play this game with police officers,

Speaker 7 quote, for sex.

Speaker 9 I mean, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 65 All right, well, Okie Doki, right over.

Speaker 46 How are you? Are you guys all of my boys in blue?

Speaker 9 I'm here to blow him.

Speaker 37 Okie dokie.

Speaker 42 All right.

Speaker 56 Jake gotta go home, but you can't stay in here.

Speaker 55 What do we want to do?

Speaker 47 Maybe some fast food?

Speaker 5 What do you want a little army's officer?

Speaker 65 I can't believe what she's saying.

Speaker 35 I thought I knew her.

Speaker 49 She's my niece.

Speaker 31 She's playing a game.

Speaker 10 Holy fuck. You're nice.

Speaker 37 Could you have done?

Speaker 56 No, no, no. She's my niece.
You're playing a game on me.

Speaker 11 May I roll up my window one second and talk to her?

Speaker 13 No.

Speaker 10 Could you have done fucking worse just now?

Speaker 8 What the fuck was that?

Speaker 7 The window's still down.

Speaker 12 I know how to go.

Speaker 50 Oh,

Speaker 37 I need to go. I'll tell you, officer.

Speaker 78 I just, sometimes I need to be under the waterfall of the loads.

Speaker 6 fingers. I swear I've just about figured out.

Speaker 78 The Lord has put me through some of my cockers out.

Speaker 42 Oh, the Lord has.

Speaker 39 So's the cops.

Speaker 7 Quote for sex. I mean, that's why he stopped me.
That's what I do. I'm a prostitute.
He asked for sex.

Speaker 9 He was shaking.

Speaker 67 Oh,

Speaker 42 oh,

Speaker 10 she is a comedian.

Speaker 7 As he drove, he saw a cop behind him, flipped out, swerve the car across the road as he tried to hide porno magazines.

Speaker 9 Oh my God.

Speaker 68 What is he doing?

Speaker 37 He could just keep driving.

Speaker 70 Just take the money and run.

Speaker 52 What are you doing?

Speaker 30 It's also a fame addiction.

Speaker 43 He's got both.

Speaker 28 It's power and money.

Speaker 36 It is the corruptors.

Speaker 24 And that's what part, like, because he could very easily have just been like, I'm leaving the church because of this.

Speaker 9 And I'm so sorry.

Speaker 7 And he's got all the money.

Speaker 40 And he can fucking hire sex workers.

Speaker 37 He's got enough money to live on an island.

Speaker 68 You're good to go.

Speaker 29 But he has to stay at top and fucking keep saying that he's redeemed and all this shit.

Speaker 60 And instead he's fucking...

Speaker 28 I mean, that is what, like, as an eight-year-old, I imagined driving would be like.

Speaker 31 I was like, I have my porn.

Speaker 57 I'll be jacking off. There'll be a lady there.

Speaker 7 But also, like.

Speaker 7 Like the idea that like you see a cop car behind you and instead of continuing to just drive down the road calmly so they don't arrest you you start trying to hide where are you gonna hide the porn magazines to to decide to just like here's the cop that's strange

Speaker 55 like here's the cop if you don't do that

Speaker 17 pretty boring day so far

Speaker 37 here's that's crazy let's go get him

Speaker 7 That's why he was stopped. Garcia said, quote, he's the same guy who cries on TV for all these people to feel sorry for him, to give him all their money for what? So he can come give it to us.

Speaker 7 That's pretty good.

Speaker 7 She has an understanding of the economy.

Speaker 39 It's capitalism. Many don't.

Speaker 42 She should be the new Fed.

Speaker 7 So that night he drives home over 30 hours straight.

Speaker 22 Okay. Right.

Speaker 51 So because he, what, he's post-bail or he's just whatever?

Speaker 7 Yeah, because it's not. They don't hold him for that.

Speaker 37 Yeah, right.

Speaker 7 When he got to his estate, he passed out in the driveway behind the wheel. A friend, quote, he had spilled some strawberry drink on his chest, and we thought it was blood.

Speaker 7 He's such a fucking drama queen. Can you imagine? Oh, he got to his driveway and then passed out.
Fuck you, dude. You like just going

Speaker 7 such a fucking drama queen.

Speaker 33 I also do like the idea of him on that 30 hours. I mean, we've driven 30 hours.
It's like, it's depressing.

Speaker 19 He's taking that 30-hour drive alone and he's somewhere like filling up, and he's like,

Speaker 7 strawberry juice.

Speaker 70 One and a hand, then.

Speaker 13 Is that good?

Speaker 7 Do you think he was being enough of a little drama bitch that he spilled it on himself on purpose?

Speaker 37 Maybe. Yeah.

Speaker 7 I could totally see him doing that.

Speaker 74 He's at this point, you know, again, I mean, now he has to

Speaker 45 reapply for redemption, which is going to be harder.

Speaker 7 Yeah, the double, the double is difficult.

Speaker 22 So he's doing re-redemption, and that is more difficult.

Speaker 19 So he's now trying to be as sympathetic a figure as possible.

Speaker 38 Yeah.

Speaker 15 You know, but

Speaker 9 three days later,

Speaker 7 Donnie, his son, announced Jimmy would be stepping down for an indefinite period to get medical and spiritual help.

Speaker 19 Medical.

Speaker 7 He also put a picture of the music.

Speaker 62 Are they going to do take the fucking perf box out of here?

Speaker 7 He might have picked up something.

Speaker 9 I've got other gonabrillo.

Speaker 25 Oh,

Speaker 49 I've got a red sea coming out of my donger.

Speaker 7 But the next day, Jamie was back at the pulpit where he told his congregation, quote, the Lord told me it's flat out none of your business.

Speaker 37 Justin, go fuck yourself.

Speaker 24 By the way, think about the Jerry Lee Lewis route.

Speaker 39 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 11 Just a little bit of a shorter drive.

Speaker 9 Yeah, really.

Speaker 7 And that the Lord had told him to return to the pulpit. Quote, he said, you tell them that Thursday morning you'll be making television programs.
And he said he didn't have to apologize.

Speaker 10 Wow. I mean, I was shocked.

Speaker 7 I wonder if he was drinking at this point.

Speaker 70 I don't know.

Speaker 70 He seems pretty.

Speaker 7 Yeah. Yeah, I would be too.

Speaker 7 Luckily, sex pest Clarence Thomas had hearings going on, and that overshadowed all this shit.

Speaker 7 The next day, Donnie said Jimmy would be stepping down for a period of time for, quote, a time of healing and counseling.

Speaker 7 So now Donnie's come out twice a minute. Like, okay.
No, he's

Speaker 69 now he's things are pulling him back.

Speaker 50 I think the Lord said Donnie was a wrong.

Speaker 7 Demons had made him pick up a sex worker, which is, yeah, I mean, demons in my balls, you know what I mean?

Speaker 7 What demon, you could, you could say that your libido is driven by demons.

Speaker 8 Sure. Sure, sure.

Speaker 74 But better to say you have this than you don't and that nobody else should.

Speaker 7 Within two weeks, the ministries were selling property and TV equipment.

Speaker 7 Employees were laid off in droves. Many of the people who had stuck with him through the first incident were now walking away.

Speaker 26 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 9 You can't reread it. You can't.

Speaker 7 You can't double it. No.

Speaker 7 But he kept trudging along, doing his TV and evangelism.

Speaker 7 In January 2000, 10-year-old Swaggert Ministries employee John Clauser was charged with money laundering, bank fraud, and theft for stealing $750,000 from the ministries.

Speaker 7 He was spending the money on out-of-state girlfriends, including a Washington Redskins cheerleader.

Speaker 9 His salary was $30,000 a year.

Speaker 70 Oh my God.

Speaker 39 I don't know what is crazier.

Speaker 9 Good for him.

Speaker 7 I have no problem with someone ripping off a fucking ministry like this.

Speaker 7 Brother, go wild with it. And you got to date a fucking cheerleader.

Speaker 31 Who, by the way, get paid fucking shit.

Speaker 7 Yeah, they get paid terribly.

Speaker 26 You may as well

Speaker 53 take a little of that back.

Speaker 7 He got 15 years.

Speaker 23 Jesus Christ.

Speaker 22 And Swagger.

Speaker 66 Baker.

Speaker 7 Baker got five. Baker.
Baker got 45, but did five.

Speaker 25 Right, right, right, right. Yeah, right.

Speaker 7 In 2002, Jimmy and his cousins, Jerry Lee and Mickey Gilly, were inducted into the Delta Music Museum Hall of Fame.

Speaker 75 Wait, who was?

Speaker 8 Jimmy?

Speaker 7 No, Jerry. Jerry.
Okay, yeah, yeah, sorry. Jimmy.

Speaker 22 Jimmy who?

Speaker 7 Swaggart. Remember he inducted? He did gospel records.
Remember?

Speaker 29 I know, but what the fuck?

Speaker 7 Well, he does great music.

Speaker 37 Then now?

Speaker 7 Separate the music from the artist.

Speaker 7 And their other cousin, who was also like a

Speaker 7 country music. Yeah, he's a country music singer.
So they're all inducted into the Delta Music Hall of Fame. Gilly become a well-known country music singer.
In 2004, Jimmy apologized.

Speaker 7 After he said about gay men, quote, if one looks at me like that, I'm going to kill him and tell God he died.

Speaker 7 oh my god what a dick first of all they're not gonna look at you like that trust you're good uh secondly

Speaker 7 look at you look at you that is that is one of their favorite things to all if one of them tries to me yeah look out not happening yeah you're good bro yeah you're fine you're fine hanging there yeah it's always the unfuckable who are like if i

Speaker 29 watch it

Speaker 7 He got a big round of applause in his church for saying that and later would apologize and say it was a joke. After Hurricane Katrina, Swaggart offered land for a hospital to be built.
Oh, okay.

Speaker 7 Then real estate values soared, and he reneged on the deal.

Speaker 9 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7 The ministries were sued and settled by offering two buildings for lease to federal relief agencies.

Speaker 10 They got sued into having to give.

Speaker 7 Well, I think that they were

Speaker 7 the sale was probably going through. Like it wasn't just

Speaker 7 in 2010, he created the Sun Life Broadcasting Network. His wife has a show on SBN.

Speaker 37 Oh, my God.

Speaker 37 Her here. Oh, fuck me.

Speaker 79 We're going to go to our next caller, who is Diane in Texas. And Diane, welcome to Sun Life Broadcasting.
You have a quick question or comment?

Speaker 80 Yes, good morning. Good morning.

Speaker 80 I actually called yesterday. My phone hung up for me.

Speaker 80 I was calling because, and I know it's not exactly what y'all have been talking talking about today, explain to me about occult because someone has brought it to my attention, actually several people, because they know I listen and watch y'all, that y'all are an occult.

Speaker 80 And they showed me

Speaker 80 a thing on their Facebook phone, and it's supposed to be a Christian, and his name is Mark

Speaker 80 Schwarz.

Speaker 80 S-W-A-R-B-R-I-C-K. He had a long article about your ministry?

Speaker 79 I've never heard of the person, Diane, so I don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 80 Yeah,

Speaker 80 well, like I said, I've never heard because I don't do Facebook and all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 18 But

Speaker 80 there's also lots of articles.

Speaker 79 But let's semiant is here.

Speaker 72 Let's define what a cult is.

Speaker 72 Let me say this.

Speaker 72 First of all, the internet is going to be filled. with truth, half-truths, and total lies.

Speaker 72 There's going to be no problem finding people that would oppose us. But what we ask is, is that you judge us according to God's word, not according to man's opinion of us.
There'd be more people,

Speaker 72 there'd be more people getting a closer walk with God if they would get out of Facebook and put their face in the book, if you understand what I'm saying.

Speaker 72 But if we look at what a cult is, a cult is, if you're looking at a legal definition by the courts,

Speaker 72 a cult is any organization that uses illegal and immoral powers to control another person? Okay. Now, if we look at the Christian

Speaker 37 checkmate. That's it.
So they're a cult.

Speaker 22 Boy, what a great call to get.

Speaker 26 First of all, calling it a Facebook phone is horrible.

Speaker 7 It's like

Speaker 22 how an alien would describe a phone with Facebook on it.

Speaker 16 But

Speaker 70 again,

Speaker 27 judge me by God's words.

Speaker 62 It's like, we did.

Speaker 62 We have. Yeah.

Speaker 65 Okay. You're guilty there, too.

Speaker 7 Great for you.

Speaker 7 So Jimmy had a daily program on SBN. His grandson, Gabriel, leads the youth ministry.

Speaker 7 His Bible college recently became accredited through the Transnational Association of Christian Colleges and Schools.

Speaker 7 They get accreditation for Christian schools and are recognized by the Department of Education. Oh, my God.

Speaker 22 I guess we do need to break it apart.

Speaker 7 In 2020, when the pandemic hit, Jimmy Swaggart Ministries received somewhere between $2 and $5 million. Of course.

Speaker 7 Jimmy Swaggart

Speaker 7 kept going and was on air as a televangelist. On July 15th, 2022, he released a gospel album with Jerry Lee called Jerry Lee, Jimmy Lee, and Jerry Lee, the boys from Faraday.

Speaker 22 We are into kids.

Speaker 7 The ministry sells a gold dove and cross lapel pin or cross pennant for $200. On a CrossFire Deluxe

Speaker 7 Expositor's bible for 500 for 1000 you can get an mp3 player that plays sunlife broadcasting network what the fuck is that the actual fuck it must just be a bunch of digital files of previous but like shows yeah right just on an mp3 player that does nothing else yeah right

Speaker 7 Oh, you can also get a Bible signed by Jimmy. For $2,500, you can get the complete set of Jimmy Swaggart's Bible commentary signed by Jenny.

Speaker 7 Sadly, Gareth, Jimmy had a massive heart attack and was hospitalized on June 15th, 2025. He continued having heart attacks while hospitalized until he died on July 1st.

Speaker 7 So we just lost Jimmy five days ago. Wow.
Fucking so sad.

Speaker 42 Come closer.

Speaker 37 I've got to tell you something.

Speaker 68 My dying wish.

Speaker 7 Someone should take someone

Speaker 7 check me off. What? No.

Speaker 42 Jack me off.

Speaker 37 Please.

Speaker 7 Can you also please stop offering the nurses $10?

Speaker 7 Give the nurse $6.50 for

Speaker 7 $650? No, $6.55.

Speaker 9 Okay.

Speaker 7 And she could take one of my get-well balloons.

Speaker 7 What? And then you have her do

Speaker 7 reverse palm. Thumb down to shaft base.
Do you know what a balloon is? Yeah, one of the

Speaker 7 get-well-soon balloons.

Speaker 37 Hurry, boy.

Speaker 17 I don't know if I'm long for this.

Speaker 7 I'm going to smother you with a pillow now. Oh, can I whack off all of you? Yeah, go ahead.
Just I want you to.

Speaker 37 I'm sorry.

Speaker 78 I don't know what I did. Why would I say that?

Speaker 7 Research for this was done by Ron Paclone.

Speaker 21 The

Speaker 7 other sources:

Speaker 7 J.D. Davis, Unconquered the Story of Cousins Jerry, Lee Lewis, Jimmy Spigert, and Mickey Gilly.

Speaker 7 WorldHistory.com, SongFacts.com, LA Times, a bunch of YouTube videos,

Speaker 7 Facebook, obviously,

Speaker 7 shop JSM

Speaker 7 JSBC.edu, tracks.com, UPI, Washington Post, Mozambique History.net, AP News,

Speaker 7 people.com,

Speaker 7 allthingsthriller.com,

Speaker 7 UPI, I say that, CNN.com, theologyinthecity.com, nola.com, abcnews.go.com,

Speaker 7 thehill.com,

Speaker 7 and tampa bay.com. Also, the Herald Sun and Durham.

Speaker 23 Shut up, Remplacone.

Speaker 51 You know, I think the thing is that it's like

Speaker 19 we are so powerless in the world we live in that we want to believe that there is some way or someone who can help or fix or address or make sense.

Speaker 19 And it's really just anytime anyone gets to the actual top, they're just a fucking liar who betrays you and, you know, self-profits and, you know, many different ways.

Speaker 24 And then they're pretty much allowed to go off.

Speaker 53 And either if they live in shame or whatever, like I remember, like, I think I told you this, I had an argument with a friend of mine not too long ago who hates Trump.

Speaker 15 And

Speaker 22 I said, and he said something like, I know you like hate George W.

Speaker 19 Bush and like think he should be like in prison.

Speaker 24 And I go, no, he should be put to death.

Speaker 17 And

Speaker 10 he was like, see, that's where, and I was like, well, they should be.

Speaker 37 I was like, these,

Speaker 77 like, you cannot say that

Speaker 47 you're allowed to kill Saddam Hussein and then basically do the same shit.

Speaker 27 And like, so what are, what are we doing?

Speaker 24 Like at some point, you have to hold some people in power to account.

Speaker 54 Otherwise, they get to be on the fucking, you know, I just, I feel so mad when these people just actually die.

Speaker 54 of natural causes because you're just like, well, dude, you fucking fucked up so many lives.

Speaker 47 You're just a greedy pervert who fucking lies, takes advantage.

Speaker 24 and then, you know, you kind of, your like world shrinks because of the shame you've brought to yourself, but you still have never had to pay for all the bad shit that you did.

Speaker 32 Right.

Speaker 24 And, and that goes on any ideology, like, like, even if it's religious or political, like, we both just get taken, you get taken advantage of these fucking liars.

Speaker 23 Yeah. And, and then that's it.
And then it's just over. Yeah.

Speaker 60 I mean, any thoughts?

Speaker 7 No, I think you're right. And, you know, they, but they, but they work so hard.
I mean, I think that's true.

Speaker 60 That's that is true.

Speaker 23 It's not.

Speaker 7 A lot of the people you're talking about worked really hard to get where they are.

Speaker 35 And that's well, we are a meritocracy.

Speaker 17 Yeah.

Speaker 61 I mean, that's become very obvious with,

Speaker 25 yeah.

Speaker 19 I mean, we, we are so apexed right now with what Trump does. It's like it really is amazing to watch it all just be like

Speaker 19 full veiled down.

Speaker 61 Holy fuck.

Speaker 42 Wow.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 19 And we earned it.

Speaker 7 We did earn it. Yeah.

Speaker 47 USA.

Speaker 9 USA.

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Speaker 45 It's Gareth.

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