692 - Jimmy Swaggart - part two

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Okay, so

we are back in with Jimmy Swaggart, who has

essentially risen up through the ranks and he's a massive televangelist, the biggest in the country.

He's eliminated other televangelists to grow his audience.

He's peak.

He's peak swagger.

It's 1985, I think.

He's got swag.

He has

a TV audience of 2.1 million, ministries complex that's worth 100 million.

He's got 1,500 employees.

He has a college.

So he is tearing it up.

College is the, when you have the college, that's when you're like, yeah, that's right.

All right.

I'm pretty good now.

Yeah, Fawo's got a college.

He's got a college.

Yeah.

Yeah.

They're loving it at that point.

So, Swaggart, like a lot of other us born-agains actively supported renamo which is the mozambique

mozambican national resistance

you knew that you knew that wait what i have to tell you that what's great is i've heard this one before um uh what is this it's a renamo uh or renamo uh

probably renamo it is a a very anti-communist political and militant group in the the 15-year Mozambique Civil War.

Boy, I'll tell you, if people ever figure out that there's a lot of good in communism, there's going to be a lot of reckoning to do.

Yeah.

Han men like

televangelists savagely attack communism because they're fucking con men.

You know, it really is the ideology version of heavy metal.

They just keep being like, don't, don't get involved there.

You'd be in a lot of trouble if you chuck communism.

Yeah.

So, Mozambique and Angola made the mistake of overthrowing colonial rule and installing socialist governments while having tons of natural resources.

That's obviously

not how you do it.

Nobody needs more freedom than the places with resources.

They need to be democratized in the way that we see fit.

And for people who don't know what that version of democracy is, that's where we put a shithead in charge.

We'll do whatever we say and give us everything.

And then you're going to be probably like, there'll be like a slave market at some point.

Well, that, okay.

Yeah.

Freedom.

That's called freedom.

Yeah, that sounds freedom.

A Marxist group wanted to form a one-party state out of Angola, Mozambique, and Guinea-Bissau, and war started.

Now, Renamo were accused of systematic war crimes and killing many civilians.

Okay.

So, of course, they were supported by right-wing Christian organizations because who doesn't love killing more than right-wing Christian organizations in the U.S.

One was called Child Care Ministries, to which Jimmy is a huge donor.

Sure.

Now, remember when he got the

estate funds, right?

He's got all that money from

the thrice widow.

Yeah, this really rich widow dies.

She leaves him a bunch of money.

One of those things are

oil wells,

and he gets $100,000 a month, but he has to give it all to child ministries.

I will tell you,

we have got to rise up.

We have a got the drama.

It's just, I just said it again, and every time I hear it, I just, it's the craziest.

Yeah.

So, uh, because that was the, that was the court solution.

Like, whatever.

Right.

Yeah.

I can't.

So we have come to a determination that we think everyone will find appropriate.

So he's promoting Ronamo on TV,

and a photo taken at a Ronamo base showed piles of religious books, and most of them are swaggered books.

So he's taking the $100,000 and just cranking out books and sending them to fucking Africa.

Like, fucking Jesus.

Just like fucking...

Just the worst people.

What about food, you fuck?

NBA championship runner-up jerseys.

Right.

You can be sending him clothes, food, medicine, like, you know, the basics to survive, or you could send him books.

Which is so, again, it's like so

they, it's like

the idea that they always are asking, like, what would Jesus do?

And it's like, well, what the fuck do you think he'd do?

It's like, what would he do?

It would be food.

It would be food and survival items.

Yeah.

So now it turns out Jimmy has been seeing a sex worker.

Dave.

Her name was Deborah Murphy.

with two E's, not a Y.

So already.

So not a Murphy bed.

Already I think she's ridiculous.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Murphy.

He picked her up on the street.

Boy, that's so careless for a guy who has so much to lose.

Like, why would you just, although,

okay, so there's no internet.

Right.

Yeah.

There's ads.

There's definitely ads in

like your weekly

magazines, like your SF weekly,

the like independent newspapers in every city have

in the back.

Paper trail.

But you can just call them and go, hey.

Yeah.

I don't know how else you would find one back then.

I'm sure there were other

ways.

Harder, for sure, much harder than now.

But anyway,

he picks up a lady who's streetwalking.

And he asks her questions to be sure she wasn't a cop.

Like what?

I don't know.

What would you do?

What do you have?

Hello.

are you

a cop?

Well, you could be like, can I see your privates?

I don't think a cop would show.

So you roll up and you go, may I see your vagina?

Yeah, that's okay.

So there you go.

I think it took us a minute, but we figured it out.

Or can I see your boobs?

May I see everything?

Yeah, well, I mean, but I mean, like, you know, the act itself is like checking for a wire.

So, you know, it'd be like, may I search you for a while?

Yeah.

I don't know what else you'd ask.

I mean, they have to have been ridiculous questions.

Are you a police officer?

No.

So she gets in her car, in his car, sorry, and lifts up her skirt.

So, oh, I'm right.

Cops aren't supposed to expose themselves to Johns.

That's entrapment if they do, apparently.

Yeah.

It's just for, it's just, no, but it's just for cops to do now whenever they want.

Well, now cops can,

a cop can fuck a sex worker now and then arrest them.

Yeah, yeah.

Well, because we figured out how the system should be.

Like, we've.

Well, now, like, a guy pretending to be a cop can just take someone.

So that's

a problem that's only going to get worse.

And that's good.

Okay, so if a cop shows you their privates.

By the way, you know what I'm going to do next time I get pulled over?

Yeah.

May I see your cock, sir?

Yeah, that's fair.

To make sure.

You're asking the cop that?

Yeah.

Just a traffic stop?

Yeah.

I feel like you're not getting what's going on here.

I think I haven't worked out the perfect version yet, but I do think I'm.

Sir, I believe you to be a police officer.

May I see your penis?

I think that works.

You pull me over, right?

You pull me over, you walk up to the window, do the license and registration.

Uh, sir, can I see your license and registration?

Uh, sir, I have a suspicion that you're a police officer.

Before I hand you anything, may I see your penis?

Yes, okay.

I think this guy's a god.

Okay, so

she said he looked like Jimmy Jimmy Swaggart.

And he said...

He said people say that, but his name is actually Billy.

My name is actually.

My cousin's name?

I know two names.

I get that all the time.

My name's actually Billy Lee.

My name is Billy Lee.

The first time he

jerked off in a car.

So the first time he sees her,

he just jerks it.

Great.

That's, you know, okay.

It's great.

But then he saw her again and again.

I wonder where he put it.

The

stuff?

Yeah.

Probably on the cup holder?

Dash.

Interesting.

He had her pose naked at first.

Well, he's really trying to keep it.

He really, he really is helping her.

He's trying to be as clean as possible.

Yeah.

Then he used a sex toy.

He had her use a sex toy on herself.

Okay.

And I'm going to bang this paper cup.

You put it in there.

There you go.

Now give it to me.

There we go.

After a while, she blew him.

I uh think this time you should blow me.

This is this is wonderful.

I wasted so many visits.

Oh boy, this is better.

This is so much better than jerking off a copy.

You're not a cop, right?

Yeah, I'm a cop.

My name's Doug.

Oh my God.

And then eventually they had sex.

Doug Clark.

So they're banging now.

She lived in a hotel room.

And once Jimmy saw a picture of her nine-year-old daughter, and he asked her about her family.

I just can't.

Just,

I mean, all right.

I'm going to devil's advocate.

Okay, yeah.

I mean, that doesn't seem neighborly.

It's not terrible, I guess.

Like, you're being

you're, I mean, if you're sincere, yeah, I think

you know what I mean.

It's probably like it's awkward.

Also, you could keep the kids out of it.

This is a transaction.

I think it's okay.

I think it's, I think, I think, here, I'll do do it.

This is a NASA hotel room.

Who are you now?

Huh?

I'm Jimmy.

Okay.

And you just talk like that.

Yes.

I guess check in.

All right, ready?

Okay, go.

Well, hello.

Hi.

Oh, this is a NASA hotel room.

Thanks.

You've been here a bunch.

Hey, is that your daughter?

Yes, she's nine.

What's her favorite subject?

She likes Jimmy Swaggard Ministries.

Oh.

My dick is out.

Why?

What?

Is it enough time?

I guess that's why you're here.

I finished.

I mean, I guess you did ask about her.

It's like how you do it.

Quote, then he started asking me questions like, Has she started to develop?

Oh, kidokie.

You know, private parts.

Oh, my God.

What the fuck?

It's got to be her boobs.

I mean, it developed.

Does she have a title?

I said, well, no, she's only nine years old.

That's fair.

No, no.

Now I get why you were upset.

Well, you don't.

First, yes, because they're in a completely sexual, they're there for sex, and you don't start talking about your kids.

Like, just.

I think I could buy the opening small talk, but then asking about boobs of a nine-year-old, obviously, that's where we're.

Yeah, it's bad.

Yep, and then he started asking,

Well, can I meet her?

Oh, no, and we'll call

and we can tell her I'm a photographer, and then I'll start taking pictures of you, and she'll get comfortable and you know, maybe participate in it.

Participate in the fucking?

You should be able to hit him with a shovel in the face.

Jesus Christ, this is so fucking

it's just, it's so again, I am very curious about like

how much of that behavior.

Like, is that behavior already in him, or is it because of this full suppression that he just kind of becomes like a pedophile like because it's all been off limits and now his brain is mushed out because of it i have no idea how this shit works maybe i mean oh maybe maybe like since one thing's off limits everything that's off yeah that's what i mean it's like he's just got a lake of taboo now either way shovel shovel yeah yeah for sure um

So, Deborah quote, you can do whatever turns you on, but don't ever mention my daughter again.

Good.

Fair.

Another Deborah client was a cop named Gorman, who happened to be a Reverend Marvin Gorman's son.

Okay.

Both.

So first episode, Gorman was a guy who was, he was a reverend.

He was banging

another Reverend's wife while supposed to be counseling them.

Savage.

He's having sex, apparently, a lot of affairs.

And someone got a tape of the wife's confession and then took Gorman down.

And Jimmy is the

guy who got the tape and took him down.

Just remember the next time you go to confession,

it could be tape.

Be careful.

Could be tape.

So

this is revenge.

Right.

And it's crazy.

What a crazy fucking coincidence that she has another client that's a cop.

So she tells him she's fucking Jimmy Swaggart, quote, and he got real interested, you know, and started asking me questions and stuff.

And I couldn't understand why.

Well, she doesn't, does she know he's Jimmy Swagger now?

Is she still she knows it's Jimmy Swagger?

Yeah, so she's like, Why is it so interesting?

Well, I think he's really into it, like, yeah,

but yeah, you're right.

I mean, it's I mean, I'd be like, What's the big deal?

He's just like the largest preacher on TV.

What you're with, you learn, you're a fan, you want me to get an autograph?

So then the cop starts calling her every day.

Um,

and Reverend Gorman

tells Reverend Gorman because that's his dad.

Yeah.

And

what a conversation.

So, dad, I was.

Okay.

What did you want to talk to me about, boy?

So, I was having sex.

I'm having sex with this

escort.

I'm having sex with escort at a hotel.

Oh,

well,

look, we all have

ways of fraying at times.

And

I would hate to be the...

As long as you're learning a new path.

Look, I'm narced up.

No, I know a lot.

Pilly women who are in relationships.

Yeah, no.

But I never took my shirt off.

So

we've all got lines.

But I think the important thing is that you now go forward and learn yourself a lesson or two, boy.

Well, she's also banging Jimmy Swaggart.

Sorry.

You're RGB.

You're cockbroing with the swaggies?

No, I'm not.

I wouldn't call it cockbrook.

Okay.

But I'm saying Jimmy Swaggart is having sex with an escort.

Mm-hmm.

And you are too.

He's your enemy.

Yeah, but don't worry about me.

Yeah.

We're not in the shirt off.

It's not a DPP.

Is he taking his shirt off or is he just kind of

trunking his arms?

He doesn't know the details about the shirt.

I didn't ask about shirt.

Is he unzipping or is his...

Yeah, they're having sex, so he has to.

But is his belt unbuckled?

Dad, I feel like you're missing the thing where the guy who took you down is having sex with an escort.

I'll be able to have that conversation, which is exciting because I love a resurrection.

But

is his penis out through the hole in his boxers and the belt is unbuckled?

What are you doing?

And is his shirt on or off?

And if it's a button shirt, does he have an undershirt?

Is it unbuttoned?

And if it is, is the undershirt, does he hold it under his chin so that you see the tummy?

Because if he's doing the thing where his shirt and his pants are off,

whoa.

But if he's just slipping it out through the zipper hole and the boxer hole and his shirts on and it's gonna be tough that uh

that's kind of like having a magical cloak she said all he wears is a bib

we got a fucking comeback on our hands

boy oh boy what an idiot why would he put himself in that position i don't know you all you that's why the lord gave us a zipper yeah

You could slip it out.

Hey, Dad, you're fine.

And then just be.

And then what I liked to do was I would put a little bit of plastic wrap around the zipper teeth.

Dad.

So as to not get chewed up.

Dad, you're freaking me out.

And I, and I'm also a freak.

Like, I'm.

Oh, there's nothing freaky about what we're doing, son.

Okay.

We just don't want our zippers biting

the shaft.

Come here.

No.

Kiss daddy.

No.

Kiss daddy's head.

Dad, Deborah quotes.

Lick my ear, buddy.

Oh, sorry.

Next one.

I'm done with you.

I can't take it.

You hungry?

So, Reverend Gorman hires a detective to follow and figure out.

So one day while Jimmy and Deborah are doing their thing, Jimmy feels like something's off.

And he says there's too much heat.

It's getting too hot.

What is the sex?

No, the whole energy.

Yeah, everything's.

So several women had been busted that week, but Gorman's detectives have been surveying Swaggart and Deborah for three weeks now.

And Jimmy goes out to his car

after he says there's too much heat, he's leaving, and it has a flat tire.

And Deborah notices a blue car keeps circling the hotel.

Woohoo!

Woo!

We're going to bust Jimmy Swaggart to dad.

I love that.

Who would notice that?

Dude, the sirens are.

Oh, shit.

She assumed it was a cop.

Then the car pulled into the parking lot and Gorman got out.

And Gorman talks to Jimmy for two hours until Jimmy admits it.

Wow.

It is believed the detective flattened the tire to give Gorman enough time to get to the motel and catch Jimmy in the act.

And

he wants to take Jimmy down himself, like after what Jimmy did to him.

What is this?

It's kind of a weird, like, so you're a detective for the day.

Like, what are, like, what he's been deputized for the afternoon?

Well, he, no, he, it's got nothing to do with the law.

But the detective, isn't the detective going to be

like, wouldn't it be better for a detective to just arrest him and then put him in a room and get like a confession?

It's just the minister.

It's not the detective.

It's the minister.

Doesn't he talk to a detective, though?

His son,

Minister Gorman, who Swaggart took out.

Yep.

His son told him.

Yep.

So then Minister Gorman hired the private detective.

Oh, private detective.

I thought it was like a regular detective.

No, no.

Oh, okay.

This is all off the

ticket.

Okay.

So Jimmy said he would publicly apologize to Gorman for lying about him having affairs.

Remember, he said Gorman had over 100 affairs.

Yeah.

And help him get back into the assemblies of God.

He's going to wish he got a regular cop.

Yes.

So Gorman waits.

And he waits.

And months are going by.

Oh, I'd imagine if they just sit through all that, that, all that swagger

preaching, just like,

Christ, three-hour sermon and not even a wink.

So there are rumors now swirling that Swaggart has been caught leaving a hotel with a sex worker.

Okay.

And Gorman sent Jimmy a note saying, that's it.

Time's up.

Okay.

Hey, Jimmy.

Enough.

It's been six months since I busted you in that parking lot as a fake detective.

Jimmy, Jimmy says nothing to the, he doesn't respond to the time's up.

Jimmy's handling it right, he's probably stressed out.

Then Gorman goes to the executive uh presbytery.

I don't know what that is, the whatever, must be the board or whatever, of the assemblies of God and showed them the photos.

So he went to the top-notch, you know, sure, the criminal definitely going the biblical route

on February 21st, 1988.

Jimmy delivered what became known as his I have sinned speech.

He didn't say what he had done, no details at all, just that he had sinned.

And this is on live TV, on stage, packed church.

He cries, his wife nods.

By the way, not at all what Gorman's like, yeah, okay, dear.

You said fuck a hundred women.

I want to address myself

as best as I know how.

Address myself to those that I have wronged, that I have sinned against.

Yeah, you're good.

First of all,

my wife, Frances.

God never gave a man

a better helpmate and companion.

Oh,

you're showing her.

I don't know why the sound went out.

She is.

She's not.

Fuck me.

As far as as this gospel has been taken through the ether waves.

Ether waves

to the great cities of the world and cover this globe, it would never have been done

were it not for her strength.

Okay, so

this goes on for a while, so I'm going to speed it up.

I'm going to go forward like three minutes.

We're going to go forward.

I like three minutes.

Boy, him, by the way, real quick,

him having an orgasm based on his cadence here.

Not great.

I mean, that had to be.

Oh,

I'm a gonofin.

Oh, it's a common.

Oh, boy.

I'm about to pop a beggar boy.

Oh, it's a.

Oh, I see.

It's a.

Oh, wow.

I've a sinner there of a thing.

Wow.

I'm a maid of sin.

I wish I'd never seen that.

Us having eye contact during it was upsetting.

Okay, so now he's fully out of the way.

I've chirped about

three minutes ahead, and now he's lip quiver crying.

Yeah, he's lip quiver crying.

That went the wrong way.

Okay.

The one whom I serve

and I love and I worship.

Wow.

No tears.

I bow at his feet

who has saved me

and washed me and cleansed me.

I have sinned against you, my Lord.

And I would ask that your precious blood

would wash and cleanse

every stain

until

it is in the seas of God's forgetfulness.

Never to be remembered again.

That's fake.

That's gotta be someone anymore.

I don't know.

No,

Wow.

I don't know who.

I don't know.

I don't know if someone added that or if that was actually someone yelling that.

Jamie, can you bring up the

so that?

Okay, that makes me think, like, this is what I don't get is like,

I don't.

You don't.

This is the deal.

If you really are like a

beacon for

the religious to

teach the and preach the Bible, you do not, you just don't get to fuck up like this.

That's just like part of the deal.

You are being held to a standard that

is just, sorry, you're the one who's setting the fucking tone for the room.

So if you're saying you can't do anything, you're not allowed to do this, you can't do this, whatever, then guess what?

You don't get to fucking apologize.

You do the thing that is

religiously right and you fucking return all the money, you fuck off and you start going to another place to try to get yourself.

You don't just get to sit there and just vaguely be like, I will washing into the river of God's forgetfulness.

I mean, you, the thing about being this type of Christian is you.

It's almost like they want you to fuck up and then repent.

And you know what I mean?

Like, it's almost like the flock is like,

I don't know.

They love it when you come clean with your sins.

I don't know.

I really don't know because I think that like

his popularity.

Let me just say they gave him a standing ovation.

Yeah.

Well, I think they are.

It's a cult.

I mean, those people who are in that church are in a fucking cult, no doubt.

Yeah.

You know, but

I'm sure there are

others who are like, bro, go fuck yourself.

No, you know, like, you, you don't get to do that.

That's like fucking bullshit.

Yeah.

Well, he gets a standing O, and then his wife hugs him.

Um, the presbytery of the assemblies of God suspended him for three months.

There you go.

Take that.

He's on IR.

Then the national presbytery suspended him for a year

and ordered two years of counseling from preachers.

So now he's got a fuck a preacher.

Oh Oh, my God.

But two months later, he refused the longer suspension.

Quote, We believe that to stay out of the public for a year would totally destroy the television ministry and greatly adversely impact the college.

Sorry, bro.

That's...

Yo, you fucked up.

That's why you shouldn't fucking do.

That's why you cannot say that you walk on fucking water.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And so he talked to the press, his wife and his son, Donnie.

We're standing there with him.

Donnie's 34 now.

So the Presbytery has a phone meeting and votes to defrock him for moral failures.

So

their response to that is like,

yeah, fuck you.

Yeah.

Like, you know, you were, you were fucking.

You gave it you like an easy out, dude.

Hey, you're banging a fucking sex worker, bro.

Deborah Murphy goes public.

One reason was because she was asked about her daughter.

So she was fucking pissed about that.

Quote, he's out there preaching about all this pornography and stuff.

And turns out he's wanting to do it with a nine-year-old girl.

If I hadn't come out with it, he'd still be in the ministries.

She's right.

Pandas paid her between $75,000 and $100,000 for an exclusive and to recreate the poses Jimmy requested.

while she was naked in photos.

So this is where you're talking about

our culture being dog shit.

Yes.

We really want to get to the bottom of what happened there.

Also, you said reverse cowgirl.

Do you mind doing a couple of those for us?

Right.

So, I mean, because it is Penthouse magazine.

They have to find that in.

Yeah, everyone wants to see her naked, right?

Like, that's going to be a thing.

But, okay, giving her $100,000 to do an interview.

Okay.

Yeah.

But yeah, now it's just grossly exploitative.

Yeah.

And I mean, that would nowadays, like, that's a success story now.

I mean, that's just what it is.

It's like,

like, you kick the can further down the street and look at our culture now.

And it's like,

well, what do you want to do?

Do DoorDash or OnlyFans?

Yeah.

I mean, yeah.

So

it's all just gross.

Quote, she said, quote, God, what a freak.

Three eighths, kinky, three eighths.

Here he is.

Maybe that was.

I don't know.

Maybe that was

a recipe to make a Jimmy at home.

I don't understand that.

Here he is up there preaching for all this money.

And when I see him, he's kinky and cheap too

he only paid 20

oh my

god

oh my god oh my god he's also got so much money that's the thing is like yeah he's got so much money that he could be hooked up with whatever the top agencies whatever they are I'm sure there was back then a way, even if, even if you're a minister, to figure it out and get the highest, most discreet

or a brothel or Or to her, you go, I'm giving you fucking $2,000 a session.

I'm paying for your silence forever.

Yes.

Okay.

He paid only $20 and had originally offered just $10.

Oh my God.

He's got a dude like James Gordon.

He negotiated.

Jesus Christ.

What does it mean to James Gordon?

Just like shitty, tipping, fucking rich dude who doesn't want to pay writers.

He's a piece of tip.

The going rate for oral sex was between 30 and 40 which jimmy refused to pay so if oral sex is 30 40 then i would assume that like sex sex is like double that or whatever this is look i'm not trying to like say the other stuff makes any sense

but what a crazy thing for a guy with that much money to do yeah to be like i'm gonna nickel and dime really seriously like i'm gonna turn you against me a little bit when you're totally vulnerable to that person when you're totally vulnerable and you're like

your

is built around things like this not happening yeah and you're like could we do five

how about i just whack off on the front seat for a nickel

so jimmy goes back on the pulpit when his three-month suspension is up but that's just the the like local one not the national one right he's still defrocked there um

he's now an independent not denominational pentecostal minister.

Wait, what is he?

He's an Gwen Indy.

I believe in the label.

I assume there's some sort of

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He creates Jimmy Swagert Ministries in Baton Rouge.

He lost some broadcast and merch rights.

Merch.

A ton of students left his Bible college, both because of the scandal and because now there's accreditation issues.

So it's not a fucking college.

Right, right.

Like it was.

Three months later, the story explodes when it hits Penthouse.

Right.

So up until then, it's just small and within the religious world.

And now it's everybody.

Right.

Deborah goes on Donahue, Larry King, and Geraldo and does a 10-city PR tour.

Fucking A, dude.

I hope she made a lot of fucking money.

I hope she, I really hope she did.

She probably

made some pretty good money to go on tour.

Right?

You bet those talk shows didn't pay much.

Actually, they probably did.

They probably paid pretty well considering they were all fighting for that.

That's are you looking up like her net worth or whatever?

Yeah, well, I just want to, yeah, let's.

Okay, so this is what she looks like.

If you want to,

oh, Oh, wow.

She's at penthouse there.

Oh, yeah.

She is.

Well, I mean, look, I hope she got out of it what.

Yeah.

I mean, again, we have no real.

Okay, this is what I want to print out.

This is the gross one.

So that's like a pose of her

kneeling in front of a chair.

That's the penthouse thing.

It's so gross.

It's so fucking gross.

So

Tensity Tour, when asked if his tears are real, she said, quote, well, maybe, but to me.

I didn't see a tear by the way no they're in a tear he does the he does the fake cry thing yeah which is like from now on if people who legislate against the things they do have to apologize there needs to literally be like like a lie detector a tear detector

someone who walks over there checks them for reality tears swabs them Right.

Yeah.

And if there's not tears, then you go, I don't know what to tell you.

All I can say is that this, it's like the same shit where they're just like, now they'll be like, what do you think of this?

And I haven't actually read that.

Yeah.

You're like, well, okay, then what, what, tell me what your fucking job is.

You read the shit and have a fucking opinion the next day, asshole.

What's going on?

I haven't had a chance.

I've been so busy making TikToks.

Gareth got really upset.

Everybody heard that.

Okay, so.

Well, are the tears real?

Well, maybe, but to me, I don't really think so because I watch him on TV.

He's a totally different person when he came to see me.

And that's the real person i think he was yeah you can tell in that video i played when he's crying that dude's a full-on actor it's 100 acting it's all acting yep so she went home to indiana it's amazing that the people on that level are the most

the largest sinners the way that he's coming after motley crew it's like hey they say what they're doing yeah like not not to be like oh yeah they're they're whatever fucking uh heroes but they say what they're doing you motherfucker take money from people who you're convincing you have this connection to and you are so full of shit that you have to get up in front of them and lie at least between the two of them she provides a service that people need and enjoy yes uh he just takes people's money yes yeah and lives to him um

so she goes home to indiana moves back in with her parents, gets a GED, and then becomes an interior decorator.

Oh, nice.

Good for fucking her.

Now, Jimmy's being heavily parodied, mocked, targeted.

Rock stars, Jimmy had gone after, and sermons were very, very happy.

I remember this part.

Ozzy,

isn't Ozzie?

Doesn't Ozzie do a video?

He writes a song about him.

Ozzy writes a song called Miracle Man.

And it just rips him a new one.

The video is in a church.

The church is filled with pigs.

And it starts with Ozzie wearing a crying Jimmy Swaggart mask, which he takes off and laughs.

Again, sweet fucking victory.

I mean,

this is what you fucking did, asshole.

Are you perfect?

Oh, okay.

Well, then guess what?

Enjoy the fucking slide.

Yeah.

Fuck yeah.

So.

Jimmy trudges on with his televangelist business because there are people that, like, like we've seen in so many different aspects of the past like few years there's nothing you can do to shed your a lot of your audience yeah there's all these people are still gonna fucking stay there you can make some 30% will you'll retain you can make some pivot like Russell Brand or Jimmy Dore did and and pick up new people but the people just stick with you yep you can say you well the the whole canceled thing really you know that's just that just kind of in comedy just made it so it's like oh yeah you'll be all right yeah you'll you'll retain you'll retain the people who don't care about the actual facts and the details and they'll just buy your bullshit and you'll sell out fucking theaters, even though most of your material is just about how you look like a bird or whatever.

It was because

it's hard not to.

It's like

kind of the bellwether.

He's just the most repugnant and off-putting.

He was always the most Republican, off-putting comedian to me.

And then all this stuff came out and I just watch him.

And I'm just like, there's nothing likable about this human.

Well, I mean, again, like,

like, it's funny because

the Louis C.K.

stuff, like,

people really do kind of at times, like,

I've definitely heard dudes be like, it's not that bad.

Like, I, I know two of the people who were involved in that.

Yes.

And when I heard their version of it, they were fucking horror.

Like, it was a horrible experience for them to go through.

So you can't be like, it's kind of, he's just like jacking off in a doorway.

However,

if you were to go talent-wise,

who leaves a larger hole?

Yes.

That guy was doing some fucking good shit.

Yes.

And, you know, there's, like I'm saying, what he does is, what he did was abhorrent.

And it's really, it's kind of, he.

He had like this, whatever, this process where he went and he's been dinged by it as he fucking should be.

But you were definitely like, oh man, I really like that guy.

I don't get that with fucking, first of all, the acts are so much worse.

Yes.

And then it's never like, you're like, we can't replace this voice in comedy.

Right.

Easily you can replace that.

I'll go to the comedy store and fucking throw a stone and hit someone who can do it just as good.

Well, the thing about people say that Louis C.K.

didn't actually do anything.

If you block the doorway and are masturbating and are orgasming because of the concerned, scared look in someone's eyes, you're a fucking monster.

Yeah, that is some fucking dark shit.

Super dark shit.

So don't tell me that that is nothing.

Don't tell me that's just nothing.

No, that's you getting off on fear.

Yeah.

You're fucked up.

Yeah, that's fucking,

that's a fucking niche.

Yeah.

So

he goes on with his televangels business, as we're talking about.

Though it's falling apart.

It's not what it was, obviously.

Why?

Before the scandal, he had an audience of 2 million a week.

In November 1990, it's down to 400,000.

But it's still massive.

It's still 20%.

It's still 400 fucking.

It's huge.

It's only small because he had 2 million.

In 1989, he sold three radio stations for $10.7 million.

I don't think I can pay $8 for a hand job.

Could you do three or 50?

Over the next couple of years nine tv stations and a local louisiana contractor filed lawsuits to collect over 200 000 from jimmy swaggered ministries

he's just trying so he is he is like ptl he is uh he is spending too much and all of a sudden his his income is wiped out so he does have economic problems obviously as he should.

He leased buildings to the Louisiana Department of Environmental Quality for $1.5 million a year.

So it's a good story.

So that's that's that's like his his bros in government, who he's paid off, are now getting his back.

Yeah, that's what that is.

Um, he's also started selling land that he owned.

You can't take him down, he's already got too much money.

You can't, yeah, yeah.

So in July 1991, Marvin Gorman sued Jimmy for $90 million for defamation.

Okay.

Gorman admitted having one affair, but said Jimmy made up lies about all the other ones to ruin him.

I just can't imagine this even mattering to anyone at this point.

He's just got to be trying to get money, right?

Because it does.

Yeah, but it's like years later.

He played it so horribly.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like film him and be like, all right, you promise?

Yeah.

Instead of like, all right, cool, let me help you with that tire.

The trial didn't go well for anyone.

Gorman won the case and got 10 million.

They would eventually settle out of court for 1.85 million.

Oh, my God.

But all the stuff that came out in the trial just fucked damaged.

But I guess Gorman just needed money at that point, right?

Sure.

So he got 1.8 million.

That's pretty fucking good.

Yeah, I guess.

A month later, Jimmy is in Indio, California, and he's touring.

It's a great place to tour.

Perfect.

I know every time I've been there, I'm like, I believe in God.

Just picture piss, but it dried.

Yeah.

Picture if you could chip piss off the floor.

And put meth in it.

Someone right now is listening into you like, what the fuck?

Look, go outside.

It got better.

Go outside.

Got better.

The day after his 39th wedding anniversary,

after spending a dinner with friends and Francis.

It's nice.

It's beautiful.

I'm sure she's doing great.

A cop pulled him over.

Oh, shit.

He had borrowed a 1989 Jaguar from a friend, and he was driving on the wrong side of the road in an unreal.

I thought I was in Germany.

The car is unregistered.

And he's not wearing a seatbelt, which is now illegal.

They used to pull, they would pull you over all the time when they first passed the law.

In the car

was Rosemary Garcia.

And Garcia said Jimmy had picked her up on the side of the road for a date which is how you date

before the internet you met like you probably you probably you're not like hey if we get pulled over here's how we'll play you know you're just driving her there I wish he hadn't said that that fucking Jesus Christ don't you have like talking points I know don't say you're my niece

He uh he I met him on the side of the road and uh he

I got in his car for money to suck his dick we're dating

She uh, she loves to play this game with police officers,

quote, for sex.

I mean, that's what I'm saying.

All right, well, Okie Doki, right over.

How are you?

Are you guys all of my boys in blue?

I'm here to blow him.

Okie dokie.

All right.

Jake gotta go home, but you can't stay in here.

What do we want to do?

Maybe some fast food?

What do you want a little army's officer?

I can't believe what she's saying.

I thought I knew her.

She's my niece.

She's playing a game.

Holy fuck.

You're nice.

Could you have done?

No, no, no.

She's my niece.

You're playing a game on me.

May I roll up my window one second and talk to her?

No.

Could you have done fucking worse just now?

What the fuck was that?

The window's still down.

I know how to go.

Oh,

I need to go.

I'll tell you, officer.

I just, sometimes I need to be under the waterfall of the loads.

fingers.

I swear I've just about figured out.

The Lord has put me through some of my cockers out.

Oh, the Lord has.

So's the cops.

Quote for sex.

I mean, that's why he stopped me.

That's what I do.

I'm a prostitute.

He asked for sex.

He was shaking.

Oh,

oh,

she is a comedian.

As he drove, he saw a cop behind him, flipped out, swerve the car across the road as he tried to hide porno magazines.

Oh my God.

What is he doing?

He could just keep driving.

Just take the money and run.

What are you doing?

It's also a fame addiction.

He's got both.

It's power and money.

It is the corruptors.

And that's what part, like, because he could very easily have just been like, I'm leaving the church because of this.

And I'm so sorry.

And he's got all the money.

And he can fucking hire sex workers.

He's got enough money to live on an island.

You're good to go.

But he has to stay at top and fucking keep saying that he's redeemed and all this shit.

And instead he's fucking...

I mean, that is what, like, as an eight-year-old, I imagined driving would be like.

I was like, I have my porn.

I'll be jacking off.

There'll be a lady there.

But also, like.

Like the idea that like you see a cop car behind you and instead of continuing to just drive down the road calmly so they don't arrest you you start trying to hide where are you gonna hide the porn magazines to to decide to just like here's the cop that's strange

like here's the cop if you don't do that

pretty boring day so far

here's that's crazy let's go get him

That's why he was stopped.

Garcia said, quote, he's the same guy who cries on TV for all these people to feel sorry for him, to give him all their money for what?

So he can come give it to us.

That's pretty good.

She has an understanding of the economy.

It's capitalism.

Many don't.

She should be the new Fed.

So that night he drives home over 30 hours straight.

Okay.

Right.

So because he, what, he's post-bail or he's just whatever?

Yeah, because it's not.

They don't hold him for that.

Yeah, right.

When he got to his estate, he passed out in the driveway behind the wheel.

A friend, quote, he had spilled some strawberry drink on his chest, and we thought it was blood.

He's such a fucking drama queen.

Can you imagine?

Oh, he got to his driveway and then passed out.

Fuck you, dude.

You like just going

such a fucking drama queen.

I also do like the idea of him on that 30 hours.

I mean, we've driven 30 hours.

It's like, it's depressing.

He's taking that 30-hour drive alone and he's somewhere like filling up, and he's like,

strawberry juice.

One and a hand, then.

Is that good?

Do you think he was being enough of a little drama bitch that he spilled it on himself on purpose?

Maybe.

Yeah.

I could totally see him doing that.

He's at this point, you know, again, I mean, now he has to

reapply for redemption, which is going to be harder.

Yeah, the double, the double is difficult.

So he's doing re-redemption, and that is more difficult.

So he's now trying to be as sympathetic a figure as possible.

Yeah.

You know, but

three days later,

Donnie, his son, announced Jimmy would be stepping down for an indefinite period to get medical and spiritual help.

Medical.

He also put a picture of the music.

Are they going to do take the fucking perf box out of here?

He might have picked up something.

I've got other gonabrillo.

Oh,

I've got a red sea coming out of my donger.

But the next day, Jamie was back at the pulpit where he told his congregation, quote, the Lord told me it's flat out none of your business.

Justin, go fuck yourself.

By the way, think about the Jerry Lee Lewis route.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Just a little bit of a shorter drive.

Yeah, really.

And that the Lord had told him to return to the pulpit.

Quote, he said, you tell them that Thursday morning you'll be making television programs.

And he said he didn't have to apologize.

Wow.

I mean, I was shocked.

I wonder if he was drinking at this point.

I don't know.

He seems pretty.

Yeah.

Yeah, I would be too.

Luckily, sex pest Clarence Thomas had hearings going on, and that overshadowed all this shit.

The next day, Donnie said Jimmy would be stepping down for a period of time for, quote, a time of healing and counseling.

So now Donnie's come out twice a minute.

Like, okay.

No, he's

now he's things are pulling him back.

I think the Lord said Donnie was a wrong.

Demons had made him pick up a sex worker, which is, yeah, I mean, demons in my balls, you know what I mean?

What demon, you could, you could say that your libido is driven by demons.

Sure.

Sure, sure.

But better to say you have this than you don't and that nobody else should.

Within two weeks, the ministries were selling property and TV equipment.

Employees were laid off in droves.

Many of the people who had stuck with him through the first incident were now walking away.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You can't reread it.

You can't.

You can't double it.

No.

But he kept trudging along, doing his TV and evangelism.

In January 2000, 10-year-old Swaggert Ministries employee John Clauser was charged with money laundering, bank fraud, and theft for stealing $750,000 from the ministries.

He was spending the money on out-of-state girlfriends, including a Washington Redskins cheerleader.

His salary was $30,000 a year.

Oh my God.

I don't know what is crazier.

Good for him.

I have no problem with someone ripping off a fucking ministry like this.

Brother, go wild with it.

And you got to date a fucking cheerleader.

Who, by the way, get paid fucking shit.

Yeah, they get paid terribly.

You may as well

take a little of that back.

He got 15 years.

Jesus Christ.

And Swagger.

Baker.

Baker got five.

Baker.

Baker got 45, but did five.

Right, right, right, right.

Yeah, right.

In 2002, Jimmy and his cousins, Jerry Lee and Mickey Gilly, were inducted into the Delta Music Museum Hall of Fame.

Wait, who was?

Jimmy?

No, Jerry.

Jerry.

Okay, yeah, yeah, sorry.

Jimmy.

Jimmy who?

Swaggart.

Remember he inducted?

He did gospel records.

Remember?

I know, but what the fuck?

Well, he does great music.

Then now?

Separate the music from the artist.

And their other cousin, who was also like a

country music.

Yeah, he's a country music singer.

So they're all inducted into the Delta Music Hall of Fame.

Gilly become a well-known country music singer.

In 2004, Jimmy apologized.

After he said about gay men, quote, if one looks at me like that, I'm going to kill him and tell God he died.

oh my god what a dick first of all they're not gonna look at you like that trust you're good uh secondly

look at you look at you that is that is one of their favorite things to all if one of them tries to me yeah look out not happening yeah you're good bro yeah you're fine you're fine hanging there yeah it's always the unfuckable who are like if i

watch it

He got a big round of applause in his church for saying that and later would apologize and say it was a joke.

After Hurricane Katrina, Swaggart offered land for a hospital to be built.

Oh, okay.

Then real estate values soared, and he reneged on the deal.

Yeah, yeah.

The ministries were sued and settled by offering two buildings for lease to federal relief agencies.

They got sued into having to give.

Well, I think that they were

the sale was probably going through.

Like it wasn't just

in 2010, he created the Sun Life Broadcasting Network.

His wife has a show on SBN.

Oh, my God.

Her here.

Oh, fuck me.

We're going to go to our next caller, who is Diane in Texas.

And Diane, welcome to Sun Life Broadcasting.

You have a quick question or comment?

Yes, good morning.

Good morning.

I actually called yesterday.

My phone hung up for me.

I was calling because, and I know it's not exactly what y'all have been talking talking about today, explain to me about occult because someone has brought it to my attention, actually several people, because they know I listen and watch y'all, that y'all are an occult.

And they showed me

a thing on their Facebook phone, and it's supposed to be a Christian, and his name is Mark

Schwarz.

S-W-A-R-B-R-I-C-K.

He had a long article about your ministry?

I've never heard of the person, Diane, so I don't know what you're talking about.

Yeah,

well, like I said, I've never heard because I don't do Facebook and all that kind of stuff.

But

there's also lots of articles.

But let's semiant is here.

Let's define what a cult is.

Let me say this.

First of all, the internet is going to be filled.

with truth, half-truths, and total lies.

There's going to be no problem finding people that would oppose us.

But what we ask is, is that you judge us according to God's word, not according to man's opinion of us.

There'd be more people,

there'd be more people getting a closer walk with God if they would get out of Facebook and put their face in the book, if you understand what I'm saying.

But if we look at what a cult is, a cult is, if you're looking at a legal definition by the courts,

a cult is any organization that uses illegal and immoral powers to control another person?

Okay.

Now, if we look at the Christian

checkmate.

That's it.

So they're a cult.

Boy, what a great call to get.

First of all, calling it a Facebook phone is horrible.

It's like

how an alien would describe a phone with Facebook on it.

But

again,

judge me by God's words.

It's like, we did.

We have.

Yeah.

Okay.

You're guilty there, too.

Great for you.

So Jimmy had a daily program on SBN.

His grandson, Gabriel, leads the youth ministry.

His Bible college recently became accredited through the Transnational Association of Christian Colleges and Schools.

They get accreditation for Christian schools and are recognized by the Department of Education.

Oh, my God.

I guess we do need to break it apart.

In 2020, when the pandemic hit, Jimmy Swaggart Ministries received somewhere between $2 and $5 million.

Of course.

Jimmy Swaggart

kept going and was on air as a televangelist.

On July 15th, 2022, he released a gospel album with Jerry Lee called Jerry Lee, Jimmy Lee, and Jerry Lee, the boys from Faraday.

We are into kids.

The ministry sells a gold dove and cross lapel pin or cross pennant for $200.

On a CrossFire Deluxe

Expositor's bible for 500 for 1000 you can get an mp3 player that plays sunlife broadcasting network what the fuck is that the actual fuck it must just be a bunch of digital files of previous but like shows yeah right just on an mp3 player that does nothing else yeah right

Oh, you can also get a Bible signed by Jimmy.

For $2,500, you can get the complete set of Jimmy Swaggart's Bible commentary signed by Jenny.

Sadly, Gareth, Jimmy had a massive heart attack and was hospitalized on June 15th, 2025.

He continued having heart attacks while hospitalized until he died on July 1st.

So we just lost Jimmy five days ago.

Wow.

Fucking so sad.

Come closer.

I've got to tell you something.

My dying wish.

Someone should take someone

check me off.

What?

No.

Jack me off.

Please.

Can you also please stop offering the nurses $10?

Give the nurse $6.50 for

$650?

No, $6.55.

Okay.

And she could take one of my get-well balloons.

What?

And then you have her do

reverse palm.

Thumb down to shaft base.

Do you know what a balloon is?

Yeah, one of the

get-well-soon balloons.

Hurry, boy.

I don't know if I'm long for this.

I'm going to smother you with a pillow now.

Oh, can I whack off all of you?

Yeah, go ahead.

Just I want you to.

I'm sorry.

I don't know what I did.

Why would I say that?

Research for this was done by Ron Paclone.

The

other sources:

J.D.

Davis, Unconquered the Story of Cousins Jerry, Lee Lewis, Jimmy Spigert, and Mickey Gilly.

WorldHistory.com, SongFacts.com, LA Times, a bunch of YouTube videos,

Facebook, obviously,

shop JSM

JSBC.edu, tracks.com, UPI, Washington Post, Mozambique History.net, AP News,

people.com,

allthingsthriller.com,

UPI, I say that, CNN.com, theologyinthecity.com, nola.com, abcnews.go.com,

thehill.com,

and tampa bay.com.

Also, the Herald Sun and Durham.

Shut up, Remplacone.

You know, I think the thing is that it's like

we are so powerless in the world we live in that we want to believe that there is some way or someone who can help or fix or address or make sense.

And it's really just anytime anyone gets to the actual top, they're just a fucking liar who betrays you and, you know, self-profits and, you know, many different ways.

And then they're pretty much allowed to go off.

And either if they live in shame or whatever, like I remember, like, I think I told you this, I had an argument with a friend of mine not too long ago who hates Trump.

And

I said, and he said something like, I know you like hate George W.

Bush and like think he should be like in prison.

And I go, no, he should be put to death.

And

he was like, see, that's where, and I was like, well, they should be.

I was like, these,

like, you cannot say that

you're allowed to kill Saddam Hussein and then basically do the same shit.

And like, so what are, what are we doing?

Like at some point, you have to hold some people in power to account.

Otherwise, they get to be on the fucking, you know, I just, I feel so mad when these people just actually die.

of natural causes because you're just like, well, dude, you fucking fucked up so many lives.

You're just a greedy pervert who fucking lies, takes advantage.

and then, you know, you kind of, your like world shrinks because of the shame you've brought to yourself, but you still have never had to pay for all the bad shit that you did.

Right.

And, and that goes on any ideology, like, like, even if it's religious or political, like, we both just get taken, you get taken advantage of these fucking liars.

Yeah.

And, and then that's it.

And then it's just over.

Yeah.

I mean, any thoughts?

No, I think you're right.

And, you know, they, but they, but they work so hard.

I mean, I think that's true.

That's that is true.

It's not.

A lot of the people you're talking about worked really hard to get where they are.

And that's well, we are a meritocracy.

Yeah.

I mean, that's become very obvious with,

yeah.

I mean, we, we are so apexed right now with what Trump does.

It's like it really is amazing to watch it all just be like

full veiled down.

Holy fuck.

Wow.

Yeah.

And we earned it.

We did earn it.

Yeah.

USA.

USA.

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By the way, it's not Gary.

It's Gareth.

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