690 - The Baseball Fight

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August 12th, 1984.

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The San Diego Padres baseball team were in Atlanta to take on the Atlanta Braves for a three-game series.

Now, Gareth, this was

a long, hot summer for both teams.

Sure.

Atlanta had future Hall of Fame manager Joe Torrey in his third season in charge.

And if people don't know Joe Torrey, just picture Paul Sorvino bargain bin.

Yeah.

That's right.

The Braves started slow,

but they turned it on.

and on June 7th, they were in first place.

They had a 1.5 game lead over the San Diego Padres.

It's one and a half.

Yep.

For those of you.

Now, just to reset the stakes, what is the value of this series?

This is to.

We'll get there.

Okay.

So they immediately, after getting into first place, lost five games in a row and dropped out of first.

Okay.

Right.

They would never recover for the rest of the season.

Okay.

Now, on June 16th, they were four games out of first and they were playing with the Cincinnati Reds.

And the Reds pitcher threw several brushback pitches at the Braves' best hitter.

Chin Music.

Claudelle Washington.

Little Chin Music?

Chin Music is what it's called.

So if you're not familiar with baseball, brushback pitch means you're throwing very close to the guy and making him jump back.

It's called a face tune.

Nope.

It's called a crotch rocket.

Not.

It's called a belly backer.

Nope.

It's whatever gets the guy to move away from the plate a a little bit.

You're kind of claiming ownership.

Yeah.

So you're throwing the ball closer to the guy to sort of say, hey, back up.

My plate.

Yeah.

It's a knee get back.

The guy was watching a baseball highlight.

It's a thigh buy.

None of those are things.

I was watching a baseball highlight the other day on Instagram because it's kind of the only place I watched Major League Baseball now is clips on there.

And a guy threw inside and hit a player's hands.

And the player was like, what are you going to get?

That's the second time you've done that.

And the pitcher was just like, get off my plate.

Wow.

Get off my home plate.

Like a kid with vegetables.

A lot of pitchers are like, I own that.

You don't get to lean over it or get too close.

Now, whose side are you on in that?

It feels like you're pro-pitcher, yeah.

Yeah, I'm the pitcher side.

Yeah, so you don't mind the pitcher throwing a little.

He's making a handstand.

You don't get to lean over the plate.

Right.

So throwing it at someone's hands.

My favorite version of that is where they throw it at the hands.

I mean, you can really hurt somebody.

Hitting someone with a baseball in the hands you can ruin their career that's that's bad but also don't stand there

well i i don't know enough it's like standing on a highway and getting upset you got hit by a car i think that's totally different one's valid one's weird well that's standing next to the home plate is weird but

the amount of times i huh that's how i make my money you do it on what

standing out in the highway huh

all right it's my job have we have we we've discussed how you could tell things are going good in this country by the the fact that a lot more people are just straight up walking down the freeway, right?

It's a good sign.

Okay.

So

the hitter, Claudia Washington, has had enough after however many brushback pitches, and he throws his bat toward the pitcher.

Okay, which is not, that's another, that's your way of saying to the pitcher, back up, you stopped.

You're not allowed to do that.

Yeah, it's called a mound pound.

And the ump tries to hold Washington.

What if the ump throws his mask at the batter?

You don't do that.

People keep throwing until.

The ump tries to hold back Washington.

Washington literally throws the umpire to the ground because he's a very large man.

And then the pitcher punches Washington.

Washington teammates come out and try to hold him down from going crazy.

While they're doing that, the pitcher throws

the baseball into the pack of Braves pitchers trying to hold down Washington.

I haven't seen a lot of that.

I like that.

And hit a Braves coach.

And then when they finally get everything calmed down, MLB suspends the pitcher for three games

and the hitter five because he threw the umpire.

On the bat.

You're not allowed to throw umpires.

Right.

I didn't think they cared as much about

as much as they did.

You hurt the umpire.

You can't throw the umpire.

Right.

Yeah, okay.

You can't throw the umpire.

Okay.

So the Braves, sometimes fights will like spark teams to win more.

Not the Braves.

The Braves kept plummeting and losing.

And at the end of July, they're 8.5 games out of first, but still in second place.

Okay.

And it just gets worse.

The San Diego Padres are in first place, but they are having a crazy

off-field season.

Okay.

So Dick Williams is the Padres' manager.

He's really old school,

tough.

has a nasty tongue, like says whatever he wants.

Like he's an old school dick.

Right.

The name is right.

Right.

He's a dickhead.

Right.

He's won a couple of World Series, so he's a good manager.

The Padres are going for the title again.

They've signed really big names that offseason.

They signed Steve Garvey.

They signed Goose Gossage.

Yes, Goose Gossage is your real name.

And at this point, he's won World Series.

He's a big pitcher.

Okay.

The name, though, is problematic.

Yeah.

Okay.

I'm sure he got into a lot of fights being nicknamed Goose.

It really does sound like a duck sausage.

Okay.

I'll give you that.

Thank you.

But goose's are mean as

good geese can be mean.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So they sign these big guys, and then a couple days later, the owner dies.

So the team has his initials on their sleeve the whole year.

The team is stacked.

They have a lot of really good players.

They have a very young Tony Gwynn, who is one of the best hitters ever.

And they're pretty much just sailing through.

So in July,

three of their pitchers decide to start talking about the evils of communism to the press.

And at this point, which is, well, no, but that's just normal baseball thing.

Normal, that's fine.

But at this point, you don't really, it's not really a baseball thing.

Like, people don't really push their political stuff out there.

Like, it's really weird.

So it's 84, so we're Reagan.

So he's definitely

in the kind of

the USSR, Gorby, Reagan.

Yeah.

Right.

So the pictures.

Not that we ever left the anti-commie stuff in this country.

Definitely the first thing a lot of life cycles.

A lot of people are just saying that constantly, never stopping.

So the pictures were Eric Scho, Mark Thurman, and Dave Dravecki.

And

they were basically introducing a lot of people in America to the ideas of the John Birch Society.

Oh, God.

Which is a level of anti-communism that should have won institutionalized, but is now the norm with Republicans.

Yeah, right.

So the three pitchers at this point are giving Bircher interviews, going to Bercher events,

and the LA Times prints this really long story with the pitchers' quotes on July 8th.

And the story just explodes across the country.

Everyone's just like, what the fuck?

Okay.

The headlines had...

uh were like quote three padres admit ties to birchers

so birchers are considered a bad thing.

Pitchers believe the fate of the world is on the line.

Pitchers.

That's correct.

You got to love, like, it's

like people get mad at people in entertainment for giving.

Like, if you're a comedian and you're espousing your political views, it's like, well, there's sort of like,

within your structure of appeal, there is something to your opinions having value.

You're talking about society.

Yes.

It's weird when it's like, I throw a football far.

Yeah.

Here's my theory on the GDP.

I throw a football, by the way, I'm going to talk to you about vaccines now.

I'm really good at kicking the ball through two big poles.

Here's why women should not be able to work.

So they're famous, right?

So they are like, well, let's use our position to do what is called birching.

Oh, fuck me.

I'd like to birch you.

What?

Yeah.

Quote, if our freedoms were taken away, even...

Just pictures.

Quote, if our freedoms were taken away, even baseball would cease to exist.

That is under.

Baseball's under attack.

Ain't no baseball in these places like Cuba.

Well, yeah, I mean, honestly.

There's a lot of baseball in Cuba, actually.

So much.

Oh, man.

Jesus Christ.

It just shows the level of stupid.

Yeah, again, I mean, why are you that for any political ideology?

Why are you, why would you, you know, value it?

There are, there obviously are ones where you're like, you know, as time goes on, you're like, oh, man, the fucking dude knew exactly what he was talking about.

But there are some where you're just like, dude, shut up.

It's always the dumbest or the loudest.

So they would go and sign baseballs at bircher booths to try to attract people.

Javecki is a born-again Christian.

Quote, I think if Jesus Christ were in my shoes, he'd be one of the most aggressive pitchers around.

That is...

The only reason that's okay is because he's religious.

You are not allowed to, like, that is so fucking insane to think.

Let alone, like,

bring him in.

Make the call.

He's in the bullpen.

Here's the thing about Jesus.

Jesus owns the plate.

There's no way Jesus would let a guy put his fucking hands over the plate trying to get an outsider.

Jesus Christ on the mound.

Jesus owns the inside.

Jesus owns the outside.

I mean, like, the idea that he would even be like, full count, Jesus' been a little off tonight.

Like, he's Jesus.

I think Jesus would be a pretty good picture.

I think he'd be amazing.

I mean, what?

When a reporter had.

Jesus out this year.

He's having Tommy Johns.

Didn't know how

breakable Jesus was.

Jesus is going to be out for a year and a half.

Jesus, we have rumors that Jesus is retiring today.

Good Lord.

Great Lord.

When a reporter had been assigned to write a story on Eric's show, the first thing Eric did was give him a copy of Anne Rand's The Fountainhead.

Ayn Rand.

I mean, also, fuck off.

Like, your name is shit.

Well, as far as I'm concerned, it's Anne.

Yeah, well, I mean, there's really...

Ain is so dumb.

I mean, it's the worst.

Yeah.

What are you doing?

How about have a whole name?

Yeah.

Ain't.

No, it's not a name.

It's like you heard something.

Ain Rand.

So these three pitchers are now Berchers, and they gave an interview together.

Show, quote, and these are all from the LA Times article.

Show, quote, capitalist natures.

Capitalist nations would crumble and die from the inside, not the outside.

Dave Draveck.

Good.

That's way better.

No, from communism oh sorry

no no but I mean that's good no but he's saying he's saying it would crumble from the it's a bad thing I understand he's saying that but even when the way he's saying crumbling from the inside is great well that's what's happening it's great yeah

Dravecki quote communism is not the in not the end in itself it's only a way to socialize the entire world so special interest groups will be the master and we we will be the slaves if that is we even live.

And I think

Christian.

Time has really proven him right.

Thank God we avoided a life of communism because otherwise, you know, we would all feel like we were slaves while special interests just took over completely.

Thank God that didn't happen.

We stuck to capitalism and beat it.

Now everything's good.

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Thurman, quote, before I was just one of those people ignorant of what really really goes on.

Imagine.

So San Diego in 1984 was going through this militant social conservatism

following Reagan and local religious leaders were entering politics.

The Reverend Dorman Owens and his followers would march through gay areas of San Diego holding signs that said, got AIDS yet?

It's called converting people, Gareth.

I mean, look, it's obviously a pretty good outreach.

Got AIDS yet.

A nearby city voted on banning X-rated movies from cable TV.

One flyer quote: What kind of man watches the Playboy channel?

What are you talking about?

What are you talking about?

What do you mean, what kind of man?

I was a boy then, and I was just trying to get

the little slider thing just right.

Dude, we were talking the other day about

when Cinemax would do a week preview if you had HBO.

Little boy masturbation week.

It was like the amount of VHS recordings I was doing, you would think that I was like, it was like I was preparing game film for a professional sports team.

I was recording everything.

Yeah.

And then just putting on there like the naked gun.

And then my mom would be like, why'd you have three copies of the naked gun?

I'd be like, don't look at any of them.

It's a different kind of naked gun.

Yeah.

And it's loaded.

But what's weirder?

What's weirder?

Watching the Playboy channel or having an app with your son where you keep each other accountable for watching porn and masturbating.

You tell me which is weirder.

Playboy channel.

Yeah, I agree.

A flyer.

Oh, I said that.

The Marines came to games in uniform and the stadium played the Marines hymn, after which they would yell, ooh-rah.

So that kind of still happens there in San Diego.

So a lot of players in uniform.

I mean, a lot of Marines in uniform.

Oh, well, that, but that's all.

It's a big military town.

As is sports in general now, the line blurring with being like, we're going to have the Blue Angels fly over games.

but there but not not playing the marine him and doing no no the marines is probably pretty specific my one of my relatives was

and i should have talked to him about um

uh cunningham dude cunningham but he was a instructor at top gun

uh

and like he was the shit like he was like a really fucking amazing pilot and um

I really should have talked to him about Cunningham, but I didn't.

But

he died recently, and the funeral they gave him was so fucking bullshit.

Like, it was just like,

this is how bad it was.

At one point, a dude drives up, gets out of a Honda Civic, walks over, waits like three minutes, then gets a signal and does the bugle thing, and then gets in his Honda and drives away.

And you're talking about one of the fucking top, like, they just don't care about the military guys.

I mean,

they don't give a shit.

What's so bizarre about this time is that

this, this

hollowed speech of support the troops and whatnot,

it's like the proof is so obvious that when you gut the VA,

every chance you get,

who supports the troops?

No, they're not.

The people who are like, yeah, don't send them there because you don't support them or the people that get over there.

You don't get healthcare.

Yeah.

So

the players are all surrounded by right-wing stuff.

Steve Garvey campaigned for Reagan, so it's a very right-wing team.

The team also had a racism and sexism problem.

It's so funny that they have a Spanish name, too.

I know.

America's the best.

Go, Padres.

The team also had a racism and sexism problem.

Later that year, a black woman reporter was thrown out of the locker room by team employees.

Six years later, Tony Gwindahl was found lynched in the Padres' dugout.

But for now, Eric Show explained what's at stake to the LA Times: quote, democracy is only a transition to anarchy leading to totalitarian state.

The only way to get out of this thing short of revolution is massive education, which I and my friends hope to provide.

Oh my God.

So saying that democracy is a transition into that,

like, how do you...

He's saying democracy is bad.

Yeah.

Right.

That's what a lot of people are.

That's a red flag.

Well, that's what they all think now.

I mean, it's not any different.

It feels like now they do the thing where they're like saying it's democracy, but maybe less now.

A lot of them just are out now saying democracy is bad.

It's pretty cool.

Yeah, it's very cool.

So

that's like

a sort of classic religious lunatic victim mentality like we are at siege, right?

So they have this siege mentality within the dugout.

Just also, yeah, yeah yeah

so coming into the games on that weekend the braves

are just the usual angry baseball team who were in first and now are really fucked and the padres are a shitstorm of bananas

one braves bat boy who had been with the team for three years and when i say bat boy i mean he's a 17 year old

He's a Batman.

Yeah, Batman-ish.

Batman.

But having been there for three years, he's part of the team.

He's looped into everything.

He's with the same people 12 to 14 hours a day.

So he has a sense of what's going on.

And coming into the game, he felt like something was up.

So they play the first two games.

And in the third game of the series,

the first pitch of the game is a fastball by Braves pitcher Pascual Perez.

into the back of the Padres Alan Wiggins.

Is he one of the three no no okay

as wiggins the three won't come up again that's just trying to create an atmosphere

as wiggins walk to first he's pointing and yelling at the pitcher sure

and his padres teams come out onto the grass in front of the dugout that's uh for those of you not familiar that they're not happy

that's that man like

they're showing teeth

Padres manager Dick Williams thinks the Braves are trying to intimidate his players with the hope that it would lead to them crashing out and falling apart and going on a losing streak.

The Braves would later just say it was an accident.

He didn't mean to hit him.

Sure.

Now, I think in today's game, they have a little more control with their pitches.

They're better at throwing strikes.

Right.

So when a guy gets hit now, it seems more intentional than it did back then.

Okay.

If you're a pitcher and you hit someone intentionally, is your role to sort of own it or are you going like, what do you mean to?

You could do either either yeah

bad boy uh bat boy phillips what i'll call him

um

to this day uh

says nothing was up quote i would have known something i would have known something was going on so he's like it wasn't intentional that's pretty cool to be like a bat boy to be like i know what's up with my squad he would hear in the dugout Yeah, what was going on?

Because when you're in one of those positions where you're not in the thing but you're just outside of it and everyone's talking to you you kind of know more almost than the guys in the thing

um

so now back then if you hit if you hit a batter with the first pitch one of your players is going to get hit

right a retaliatory strike retaliation um sometime during the game you're right now you know someone's going to get hit someone's going to get hit so padres manager dick wills very old school uh

and so he was for sure like he got to throw out one of their guys.

So, absolutely, this is one of baseball's unwritten rules.

So, he told this pitcher to throw at Perez and hit him.

So, San Diego starter was Ed Witson.

Now, you may

remember Ed from the Billy Martin episodes because

this season, the one we're talking about now,

is a year later, he would be playing for the Yankees

and Billy.

And Ed got into a fight in a bar with Billy, and Ed ended up with a broken rib and fractured hand.

Okay.

So maybe a little bit.

He likes to play it loose.

Ed doesn't take shit.

He's open.

Yeah.

He's open for business.

So back to present game.

So Ed throws a pitch at the Braves pitcher, who's now at bat,

Perez, but it misses.

It goes behind him.

Well, that's bad, too.

And

Perez is a pretty tall, skinny dude.

He doesn't like it.

Right.

And he starts kind of scamping around behind the plate, and he's holding his bat like you would when you're going to hit somebody.

But like defensively, like he's like, who's coming at me?

Like he's still wild.

It's a little weird.

You're watching the game.

You're like, these guys are, there's something's going on.

Then he starts backing towards the dugout and then the Padres catcher jumps up and now he starts chasing him.

So the Potter's catcher chases him towards the dugout and then

the Braves players come out of their dugouts to stop the catcher.

And then the Padres come out of their dugouts, and they both end up standing on.

You see this in a tons of, we're going to fight, but we're not going to fight moments.

So they're on either side of home plate in a big bunch, both teams, and they're just kind of staring at each other.

Jawing.

It's like in a bar when two dudes are yelling and you're like, then neither of them want to fight.

Neither wants to fight.

But neither wants the same weed.

That's right.

That's right.

And so, but they calm everybody down.

They glare at each other for a while.

It's diffused.

That is still wild for a guy to be running away and for a catcher to be like, you get up here and back.

You don't do that.

So the umpires then give Edwitson and both managers warnings.

So that means if anything else happens that we deem unacceptable, we get to just throw you out.

Right.

So they go back to playing and Prez strikes out.

Okay.

Now, the unwritten rules say,

and there's a lot of fucking young people that just think the unwritten rules are dumb.

I have a more complicated

view of it.

So it's unwritten rules.

It's to police the game in itself because sometimes umpires do not police the game well.

Are you talking about kind of gentlemanly rules, sort of?

No, they're literally, no, they're not gentlemanly rules.

They're the game polices itself so certain shit doesn't happen, like throwing at a guy.

Uh-huh.

So if you throw at a guy to hit a guy, then the team is like, okay, well, now we're we're gonna do that because you don't want throwing at a guy to become commonplace.

Right.

So it it stops that.

Eye for an eye.

On the other hand, you could destroy someone's career or seriously injure them.

So it's kind of crazy.

Sure.

So I see both, like I'm not, I'm not a guy that's like, that's so terrible.

That's awesome.

It's kind of a gray area in the middle.

The game places off.

And I do think now the unwritten rules are sort of gone, I think someone will at some point get tragically hurt.

Okay.

That's my belief, but we'll see.

We'll see what happens.

Is this going to be one of these clips that in like, you know, however long they're going to Preston will edit this to show you saying that this is going to happen?

But it's also, it's also a tool of racists.

So it was a great way to keep for white, not that good players to keep people like Ricky Henderson, quote unquote, in line.

Right.

So it's because the

Cubans,

the Dominicans, dudes from Oakland had more flair and they had more, let's show it off and have a good time.

So the white dudes who were boring and stiff, who probably listened to a Lawrence Welk, would throw at them to try to.

So it's, there's a lot of, there's a lot of fucking bullshit.

And I think you're sounding kind of negative on it.

So, but people listening, like, we, we lie, we think we need the white police people to sort of keep the flair out of the game.

It's important since we can't do it.

You know what I mean?

It's like white people can't dance as well.

So nobody should dance.

That's right.

Yeah.

But like I said, it's complicated.

If you could take the racism out of it, it might be a better thing.

You can't take the racism out of it.

So it's very.

Which is what makes it the great American pastime.

But I do still think someone will get hurt.

But whatever.

Does that make it worth it?

Probably not.

Okay.

Anyway, but people are going to get mad and act like I didn't just make a very sort of

I'm all over the place on it argument.

And they'll just go, you're so fucking old.

Guaranteed.

Well, you are so fucking old um

so

they hit the hit a guy got hit then they threw at a guy and missed him but under the unwritten rules it's they still owe him one no it's over it's over you you let him know you tried to hit him you let him know with that pitch we don't like what you did okay and that's all you're supposed to do and he got he didn't get a little it wasn't a little chin music he got a backtrack it got through

it was behind him and he moved forward

so so that should be the end of it that's it you made your point you had your chance

another ball boy said quote i specifically remember looking at greg booker who was a pitcher for the uh for the padres and i said i can't believe that just happened and he just looked at me and smiled and that's when i thought oh something's getting ready to go down

really we're teasing a moment here so two weeks later

perez comes back up to hit right so the pitcher who threw the first ball coming back up to hit.

And Ed Witson is the pitcher.

And he's

three inside

pitches to Perez.

None of them hit Perez because Perez is expecting it and he keeps jumping out of the way.

Right.

But the umpire still throws Ed out of the game after he's like, that's it.

This is too much.

We gave you warnings.

They're not allowed to grudge.

Yeah.

And they let him get away with the, yeah, so whatever.

So manager and manager Dick Williams is out.

So the manager and the player.

Okay.

And the bad boy looks at that Padres pitcher again, quote, I go, are we over now?

And he goes, nope, it's only just begun.

It should be over.

It should

now.

They've tried to hit Perez four times.

Right.

So now you would be like, all right, look, he just dodged a bunch of them.

He got the point.

He got the point.

Now two guys have been thrown out from the Braves.

So now, right from the Braves?

No, from the Padres.

From the Padres.

So

two guys have been thrown out from the Padres.

Now you have to say we're done, but they're this.

So this is a predetermined.

This is past the unwritten rule.

This is no longer the unwritten rules.

This is revenge weird.

It's not.

This is becoming lore.

Yeah, it's not part of the unwritten rules anymore.

So the same pitcher whose name is Booker is then.

So the guy who said that, it's not, this is just starting.

He's now put in the game to replace Ed, who just got thrown out.

So they really want to hurt him.

The next time Perez comes up, he gets walked,

which kind of makes the Braves are like, oh, it's over.

We just walked the guy.

And then he comes up again to hit in the sixth inning.

And Booker's first pitch goes behind Perez again.

Okay, another backtrack.

But doesn't hit him again.

This dude's dodging a lot.

Well, the Potters are having a hard time hitting him.

He's a super skinny.

He's a bean pole.

He's a super skinny guy.

Right.

And he's athletic, so he's jumping out of the fucking way.

Right.

But that's making the situation more tense.

Yeah, because every time

they throw him misses, just hit him.

Yeah, it makes it worse.

They're getting angry watching it.

Well, because also they're not supposed to be doing it.

It's like outside.

So he's dodging everything.

So Booker is thrown out of the game.

As was the guy who took over as manager for the Potters.

So the replacement manager, the original manager, the guy who was pitching before him, and the guy who's currently pitching, all tossed.

An Atlanta bat boy said, quote, I think it felt like they were truly trying to hurt him.

From where I sat in the on-deck circle, that's what it felt like.

Right.

I think that's right.

Yes, they are trying to hurt him.

Yes.

So the tension increases each time they miss him.

And the Braves

also are upset because the Potters weren't following the unwritten rules.

Right.

He must, so he's a pitcher, a starting pitcher.

What do you usually get at a starting pitcher?

Five, six innings?

No, back then, no, you get way more.

Oh, so, okay.

Back then, baseball was baseball.

So he would maybe go eight innings.

Yeah, and then you try to go eight.

Right.

Okay.

So he's still in there.

So

another Brace Bat boy said, quote, usually you hit or throw at a position player, not a pitcher.

So that's the other thing is.

Right.

Your revenge is being taken right out on the guy who hit him.

Because they didn't hit at the start of the game, they didn't hit a pitcher.

They threw and hit a batter and a good batter.

So then your thing would be like,

so that's part of the way the whole idea of it is: you hit one of our good guys, we'll hit one of your better guys.

We'll hit your

better guys.

And what you don't want is your better guy to break a rib and be out for a couple of weeks.

So don't throw at anybody.

That's the idea behind it, right?

Right.

Which is crazy.

Because they're going right at the pitcher.

Yes.

The guy who hit the guy, they're going right at him.

And three times now.

Yes.

So

two managers out, blah, blah, blah.

So,

quote, usually you hit or throw at a position player, not a pitcher, but because they were intentionally going after Prez, the Braves were mad.

They're angry.

And tensions were getting higher and higher as they could continue to throw at Prez.

Throw at the manager.

It would have been different if they'd thrown at or hit Claudell.

They were saying this is not something that you do.

Yes.

Right.

So throw at Washington because he's the biggest biggest guy on the team.

Sure.

Right.

Okay.

The unwritten rules are very funny.

Yeah, they are because they're unwritten, but they're very specific.

It's like we're violating rules, but you've got to violate them with the rules.

Violate rules with the rules about violating them.

So most people watching the game, the broadcasters, the fans, and even some players thought it was over because now they've thrown him three.

They're like, yeah, so that's done.

They'd thrown him three bats now, three at bats now.

The message delivered, but then Prez comes up to bat in the eighth.

A lot of teams at this point would have taken him out of the game.

Right.

That's kind of what I was alluding to before.

That's the difference.

Is that because he's being tossed at so much?

You'd be like,

you don't want him hurt.

But they're kind of posturing being like, fuck you.

Now, what would happen is they would take him out of the game and then they would throw at the other team.

But they would just get him out of there because he's got a really good chance of getting hurt.

Right.

Yeah.

So Podgers reliever Craig Lefferts is now pitching, and he threw at Perez and finally hits him.

Oh, Oh, shit.

Hits him in the side and the elbow.

Oh, boy.

I love how lights are already going off.

Yep.

Dropping.

And then all hell breaks loose.

Where do they hit him?

In the elbow and the side.

Oof.

The Braves charge out of their dugout, trying to get at Lefferts.

Okay.

And the Padres run out of their dugout.

And guys are now punching each other and tackling each other.

They have to have a real extra level of energy after wanting to hit perez and and the other side getting upset that they're trying to hit perez they're sitting in there sort of bubbling getting ready for it yeah it's it's it's literally hours of of just there's a parent building up rage yeah

and uh it is funny that the light went out yeah it's perfect it's a luke

project So the fight goes on for about a minute, and then it starts to slow down.

And then there's like two separate piles of dudes

as they try to get and hurt guys at the bottom so they have like a main target so like all the braves want to get lefferts and the other guys want to get this guy so they each are after

a guy but it seems to stopped and then the padres backup first baseman champ summers who's 6'2 205 pounds breaks away from the braves bob watson who is holding him and runs toward the Atlanta dugout

because he wants to get a piece of Prez, who's is now being held in there and guarded by other players.

Wow.

And Braves player Bob Horner, who is not playing because he has a broken wrist

and who had been in street clothes at the beginning of the game up in the press box watching the game, is now in uniform.

Because when the tension started and the almost fight started,

he

as the tension mounted, he came down to the clubhouse and he put on his uniform

purely to fight.

Oh, my God, that's awesome.

Now, what do you think about actually

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What do you mean?

I got to go suit up.

Your wrist is broken.

Yeah, I might need to use the other hand for some stuff down there.

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Bad boy, quote, I don't think you could ever find one person that was on that team or was in that clubhouse that will ever tell you that they were surprised that Bob Horner showed up in uniform.

I'll give you $500 if you can find one person who says they were surprised.

So this guy's ready.

Yeah.

So now Bob Horner and Champ Summers start fighting.

Not only are they two really big hitters and big guys, but it might be the biggest fight between two guys with the most baseball names ever.

Really?

Champ Summers and Bob Horner.

Yeah, right, right.

Okay, right, right.

They are fighting between the dugout and the on-deck circle, and that's when some fans decide they should be involved.

That's where it's always bad.

I mean, like, it's obvious, look, you want to get involved.

Let it play out.

This is not where you belong.

It's like at live shows when people are shouting out jokes.

Yeah.

It's like,

enough.

Yeah, thanks.

One guy threw a beard at Summers, another jumps in and tries to grab Summers from behind, and then another jumps into the fight, and the three of them take Chump

to the ground.

But, all right, let's just talk about,

shouldn't do it, but how great is it when you and two dudes from the stands take down an MLB play and are beating him?

You're like, this is beyond fantasy camp.

It's unbelievable.

I'm beating a baseball player up.

I'm the diamond.

So this is all really unusual.

Maybe unprecedented.

Like, this is crazy.

And it's happening a few feet away from the Bat Boys, who are just Bat Boys.

Right.

They don't know what to do.

The Bat Boys saw fans getting involved, but their job is to keep track of equipment.

So they are literally focused on what's happening with the equipment while the fight's happening.

In the sense that they're like, guys, take your gloves off.

Well, no.

Well, like, if

there's a game on and a bat, a guy hits and the bat goes down, you got to run out and grab the bat so nothing happens to the bat.

But isn't that, isn't it?

Don't you abandon your role during a brawl?

No, you gotta, that's more so.

During a brawl, you're still just like more so.

Guys, toss your mouth guards.

Yeah, well, yeah.

Get your leg guard.

Whose bleach are these?

Quote, it was a challenge for us to try to stay out of the way of what was going on.

When we had to pick up the stuff and move out of the way, that's when I felt anxiety because it was coming right at us so they're trying to grab

equipment that's getting like beaten off yeah

good god

so guys

hold on

it's not like one constant who's cop

it's not like one constant battle so if you've ever people who've seen baseball fighters yeah it's different separate piles it's separate piles it it starts and it stops it looks like it's calmed and then all of a sudden one guy throws a punch and then it's not.

And then everything kicks off again.

So it's just like.

Well, I think part of the thing, too, isn't it?

The fighting is exhausting.

Yeah.

Like, you, I don't think you really, in your head, you're like, let's go.

It's like, literally, a minute is like, that was a long, that's a long time.

Quote, it seemed to go on forever.

I do remember being frightened at one time.

I don't know if we were going to get sucked into it.

So the Bat Boys are worried that they're going to get have to be.

I would 100% get involved as a Bat Boy.

That's where you become a bat man it's a bat mitzvah

what do you want me to do with that

i just think

i think it's pretty good i i really i will defend it i think it went pretty good

the padres second baseman tim flannery is fighting the braves gerald perry because he perry had attacked leffords the padres bat boys

come over to be with the braves bat boys

that's cute.

That is cute.

Have you ever had that?

I've had that where I've had a friend of mine fighting, and the two guys fighting wanted to fight, but me and the other friend didn't want our friends to fight.

So me and the other friend very quickly were like, we're good.

I wish they weren't doing it too.

Like, let's try to remain as impartial through this event as possible.

I've had both.

I've had the one where you're like, you fuck you too, or the one where you're like, let's go over here.

Yeah.

Quote, we were joking.

We said, are we supposed to fight with each other?

In reality, none of the bad boys wanted to have anything to do with it.

They were worried that because they were in uniforms, they would be mistaken for a player and have to fight.

So their uniforms look almost the exact same.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

But a Braves bad boy sees a bat in the middle of the field on the grass.

This is Phil.

Protocol suggests that I go over there and grab it.

His bat boy instincts kick in.

I got to get over there.

I'll cover you.

He runs for it.

Picks it up, starts running back to the dugout.

And now in the middle of grown men

punching and tackling and body slamming each other, quote, I pick up the bat, I turn around, and I get nailed.

I love it.

And it was Alan Wiggins who nailed me.

So the guy got hit at the beginning.

He's just like, you're a small man.

He just takes out a Batboy.

Does he know it's a Bat Boy?

I don't know.

not i would say i would hope not yeah because it's sort of like they're the press they're like wearing the like press outfit and war it's like don't shoot them but if i just it's also either works for me honestly just to be like when am i gonna get a chance to punch a child again

or you're just like that that looks like one of the guys

quote a couple of guys pick me up walk me into the dugout i remember joe tore looking at the security guard and says don't let these guys out of the dugout which i wasn't gonna go.

I wasn't going to go anywhere anyway.

The Bat Boys?

Yeah.

Yeah, we're not trying to.

Like, I learned my lesson getting that bad.

But who's going to grab that shoe?

But while they are just Bat Boys, they are considered part of the team.

The family.

Unwritten rules here.

So that, well, they are.

They're like, they're traveling with them and they're with them all the time.

They're joking on the team.

Do any players have to share a room with the Bat Boys?

No.

The Bat Boys travel with the teams?

I think some did.

You can't just be like, we hire local.

No, well, yeah.

I mean, back in the day, they don't.

I can't believe I'm sharing a room with a grown athlete.

They don't go to bed.

They don't travel now.

What do you want to talk about?

Do you like constellations?

What the fuck?

I'm dumb as a 17-year-old.

I care.

It's been a while.

Or I guess, yeah, it would be different.

He'd be like, what's fucking like?

So the players feel protective of and have the backs of the Batboys.

Sure.

So

brave Claudell Washington looks at a bat boy who got clocked and tells him

he'll take care of it.

Quote, and he did.

I'm not going to go on record to how he did that.

So Claudell Washington.

Do we know?

We don't know.

But he probably went out there and hurt Wiggins or whatever.

Yeah.

Yeah, he went out there and fucking worked with him.

Put a finger in his butt or something.

Well, that's really not what I was thinking.

It's disarming.

In a fight, if a guy's head is taken,

go for the butt.

Don't be afraid to toss a digit in the back.

I feel like you shouldn't be giving fight advice.

And then hook it.

Yeah, you should definitely not be giving fight advice.

What you do is you put it in the butt, you hook it, and you drag.

Are you trying to...

Okay.

Yeah, let's just not talk about that.

You're telling me

he's not going to take note?

I don't know.

I don't want to know.

I don't want to have it in front of you.

It's a bumcus.

Get back there.

It could have easily been a mistaken, a case of mistaken identity with Padres Allen Wiggins not realizing realizing he was taking on a bat boy but it didn't matter they had justice had to happen sure it doesn't matter agreed now most bat boys have said are in their late teens but there's also mike borzello who is joe tore's godson okay who's now a coach with the cubs i think he was 13 and see the constellation thing plays

he was

13

and in uniform as an honorary bat boy that day.

See?

He was clearly smaller than the other bat boys, and Torres told Bat Boy Cliff Phillips that he had to keep an eye on Mike for the day.

That was before it all this started.

That's hilarious on that day to be like, he's going to be here today, so just keep an eye on him.

The man's dead.

It makes the entire situation far more stressful.

So Phillips is just more stressed than ever.

Yeah.

Quote, I'm not sure how Michael got knocked down, but I remember I got back to the dugout and his uniform is completely muddy.

Wait, was he the one who he's not the the one who got knocked?

Okay, right, right.

But he comes back and he's just all.

But that makes the fight worse because the players are like, who the fuck?

The Bat Boys are being beaten up.

Yeah.

Dirty Bat Boy uniforms are not the norm, but Bat Boys Don't Getty.

Right.

And that was your first rap album?

Yeah.

Bat Boys Don't Get Dirty.

Okay.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Everybody knows that.

It was a train wreck.

Phillips is thinking, why is he so dirty?

Because you're never dirty.

You don't get that uniform dirty.

The only reason you get the uniform dirty is if you're on the ground.

I remember both of them were the dirty and I was like, what the heck?

No one knows what happened to Mike or how he got dirty.

I don't watch baseball, but everything that sort of takes place outside of it is better than the game to me.

Yes.

Like all the, like everyone's drunk or taking drugs or swapping wives.

Well, it used to be like that.

It's much more.

Yeah, now

back in the day, like I would not watch it, but like I would watch a show about baseball.

It's one of the reasons I find baseball so boring is because it's been so sanitized.

All these guys go through media training and all this other

before they get there.

So they're all just give us the psychos.

Yeah.

We deserve them.

The lunatics are what makes it fun.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Um

so

it I can't help I can't help but think that this will stop communism.

So

What has happened is one of the craziest ugly things to happen on a baseball diamond.

It's really crazy.

It took 12 minutes to settle things down and restart the game.

And when they did, six more players were ejected and several fans were arrested.

And then came the ninth inning.

Oh, shit.

Before they start,

they have to announce over the loudspeakers the players that were kicked out.

Uh-huh.

And they, to do that, they had to figure out who they had kicked out.

So it takes a little bit of time before they restart.

Okay.

Then the game gets started.

And the new Braves pitcher is Donnie Moore, and he's facing Podgers hitter Craig Nettles.

Again, these are two.

well, Nettles is like a giant of the game.

Moore's known for something else.

But Moore, it turns out, and Nettles had fought each other on the field in the last inning.

So no one was going to be shocked if Moore threw it Nettles.

And just before the inning started.

Let it go.

Just before the inning starter, the Braves manager Joe Torrey tells Moore not to pitch inside.

He's like, do not throw it this way.

Let's get out of here.

We made the point.

The point is over.

Do not stop ninth inning start the car bat boy phillips quote knowing donny moore the way i knew him there was zero doubt that it was going to happen i think everybody was ready well why did he put him in then that is true that is a really good point because first of all they are going no they

who's winning uh well they're winning the braves are winning okay so he is trying to just competitively close this up yeah and more's a really good pitcher so maybe that's why but also you're right if he was fighting with nettles on the field why are you gonna going to have him go up there?

Put one guy in for that one and then bring in more after.

On the second pitch, Moore hits Nettles in the ass.

Nettles runs out to attack Moore, and the fight starts all over again.

Jesus Christ, if I either dug out, I'd be like, ah,

fine.

Nettles is spun around by Moore, and then he's tackled by Chris Chambliss.

Then it calms down for a second, and then

absolutely furious with rage, Chris Nettles.

No, sorry, Kurt Bavacqua.

Kurt Bavacqua.

That sounds like a cologne.

I remember Kurt Bavacqua for I remember him for two reasons.

One, being what I'm about to play, but two,

because

the name.

Bavacqua.

You can just never forget the name.

Must and dirt mixed together.

Bavacqua.

Sometimes my glove will stink, but it smells good to me because it's from my sweat.

Bavacoa.

Because he's not

like a really

talented player.

He's okay.

But he's

known because of his name, just like Buddy Biancolana.

Bavacqua, a fragrance by MLB.

Do you remember Buddy Biancolana?

No.

The only reason you would know it is because Dave Letterman got obsessed with his name when he was funny in a World Series.

No.

And eventually had him on, even though he was just like a nobody player, that's great.

So

Bavacua runs out onto the field.

So it's kind of calmed down, right?

And then all of a sudden, here comes

Buddy.

Sorry, Kurt Bavakwa.

And he is just running out.

He's throwing punches at everybody.

Now,

Bavakwa's not a big fan of being hit by pitchers.

Two years before, when a Dodgers pitcher had thrown at and hit a Padre and then got fined for it, Bavakwa said about the Dodgers' manager, Tommy Lessorda, quote, the guy they should have fined was the guy who ordered him to throw at Joe, that fat little Italian man.

But

this is

sports mafia.

It's like he took a hit out on him.

Lasorda's at the top.

So Lasorda's the fat little Italian man.

Yes.

And this is what Lasorda responds with.

Tell you what I think about it.

I think that is very, very bad for that man to make an accusation like that.

That is terrible.

I have never, ever, since I've managed, ever told a pitcher to throw at anybody, nor will I ever.

And if I ever did,

I certainly wouldn't make him throw at a fucking 130-hitter like LaFay or fucking Bavaqua, who could hit water if he fell out of a fucking boat.

And I guarantee

you this, when I pitched and I was going to pitch against a fucking team that had guys on it like Bavaqua, I sent a fucking limousine to get the cocksucker to make sure he was in the motherfucking lineup because I kick that cocksucker's ass any fucking day in a week.

He's a fucking motherfucking big mouth, I'll tell you that.

Was that recorded on a blimp?

That's just what it was like back then, man.

Dude, that is,

I mean, that is fucking

that.

That, see, that's what I mean.

Like, that, that is so much more interesting than strike.

One.

No, that's not interesting.

Whoa, that was great.

No, it, it, because it's, because you know what it is?

Look, yes, it's.

Bavakwa couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat is dynamite.

It's, it's so funny because, you know, wrestling is,

I, I personally think MLB has been wrestleized, is whatever you want to call it,

because

it's now all sort of fakish

stuff.

Uh-huh.

Uh, it's like, it's like they think up what they're going to do three days ahead of time.

Who does, you mean?

The players.

Like, you know, the thing is that you're not to cut you off, but you're probably hinting at the point of like social media is an independent game.

And so people do things independently for their social media wins.

Whereas you used to almost be like, it used to be like team retaliation.

It was organic.

It was in the moment.

It was, but now you have like a guy, like a guy won't like that someone.

I think it was a pitcher said he could throw with one eye and get a player out.

And then the player hit a home run.

And the player's right over the bases doing this with his finger on one eye.

And it's just like, okay, man.

Like, yeah, hey, cool.

Like, you thought up something three days ago.

It's just very like

obvious and sort of stupid and but there's also nothing really to it like it doesn't really

it seems like you don't care that much i don't know yeah i mean they still do care but it's it's just there's just this level of like surfacey showman stuff that's to me really dumb as opposed to like organic and i think that's what turns me off from it

yeah there's there's so much sanity i mean obviously look he's fucking tossed around cocksucker a lot out there there's a lot of that uh but uh but there is this like the sanitized nature of stuff now.

That's what's so funny about watching like the Disneyfication of ESPN and stuff like that, where it's like, there's just not enough stuff to sift through to make a week out of just highlights.

So you do need some interesting off-the-field shit.

And like

there really isn't that much anymore.

It's like

there's some, but like right now, there's a super sports lull because NBA is ended, hockey is ended, most soccer is ended, and they're trying to force new soccer in.

College baseball is ended, and this is when there really shouldn't be a lot of people.

This is a black home, but they're trying to fill space.

They have to.

And it's just that's where it becomes soap opera.

Yeah, that's really like if you, you, I mean, watching ESPN in the morning is, I have not done it in God knows.

You can't do it.

Yeah.

It's all it is is just like,

you know,

it's literally insufferable to watch Mike Greenberg host any show now because he's like, why don't you throw which helmet you think is going to finish first in the division at that wall and see if it'll stick with the Velcro wall?

Because we're talking about the Velcro wall.

And you're like, what?

Well, that's when you can tell that they were trying to.

spruce it up and they brought in uh they brought in producers from totally dr phil and all those other things because that's a super dr phil the the it's well it's the same with any news shit too when you watch like it's made it's just the dumbest shit where it's just like here's an event you two debate what you think it's like this is not what this is not anything this is two people

just trying to have an argument which is arguing was at one point entertaining yeah you can't make an argument about everything right it's the same when you watch like social media clips of people being like wait what it's like you're not gonna be able to wait what you're it's at some point it's not gonna work anymore.

Yeah, I don't know when we're gonna hit that wall, but at some point, you're not gonna be able to be like, like, I know you shit all over crowd work and crowd work,

but if I'm like, I will wait for like an actual thing that's interesting to happen,

you watch it, it's just like you wear sneakers,

and you're just like, Yeah,

what?

Yeah, it's a normal thing,

you two been getting for five years.

Okay, so um

so the VACWA again bodies tackling throwing chasing hitting um the players who had been ejected

now run back out that's not allowed that's super normal you're an Arkham uh they get order restored briefly but then

you are re-ejected But then goose gossage comes out and attacks more and the whole fight kicks off again.

Now, Padre's Tim Flannery gets sucker punched by Perry.

Remember they had been fighting earlier.

It doesn't go on as long as the eighth inning fight, but now fans are getting even more involved.

So this is before they started limiting beer.

Now

they shut down beers in the seventh inning, but back then it just kept flowing.

And you could get a beer up until the game ended.

Better time.

And if they went into extra innings, they would reopen everything up again.

They should do that.

I agree.

But a lot of people went to games specifically to just get shit fixed.

Yes.

It wasn't crazy.

It was a normal beer price.

It was really just a reason to go eat like shit.

And there was something else going on in the background.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But it was just like you and your friends could get drunk and order food from a guy walking by.

So it's the ninth inning.

A lot of people are really drunk.

Right.

So fans above the Padres

dugout start getting into shouting matches with the Padres players.

And then one of them threw a beer at the Padres.

Quote, a fan threw a beer on Champ Summers and Champ became unglued.

He tried to go over the top of the dugout to go after this fan, but he was restrained.

Now a furious Kurt Bavacua also loses his shit and goes after a fan.

But cops were by the dugout and they stopped him and they end up restraining Bavacqua on top of the dugout.

Wow.

It got dugout arrest.

Ed Wilson, a pottery pitcher who started it, was now in the dugout shirtless.

Jesus Christ.

I said Wilson, right?

It's not, it's, what's his name?

The uh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Um, he's got his shirt off, so he did.

That was a choice.

I think, I think it got ripped off.

It got ripped off.

I think it got ripped off.

Now that's hot.

Um,

and I recommend anybody go online and um just put in Padres,

Braves, Fight, 1984, and look at the pictures.

And it's the

pictures of Ed, who we're talking about, are he's the crazy guy in the dugout.

So I'll show you this picture right here, Gareth.

That's Ed in the dugout.

Oh, my God.

Does he look like a guy who just got in a meth fight outside of a bar?

Well, yes, completely.

Yeah.

Looks like he just got to like just got divorced and got to to fight the guy that stole his wife.

Wow, this brawl is nuts.

Yeah.

So

he looks insane.

So Ed also.

His eyes,

it looks like blinking hasn't happened in a long time.

A long time.

And it's not going to happen for a long time.

No, no.

It looks like his eyelids have been taken.

Yeah, blinking's out of the picture.

So he's shirtless.

He also had to be restrained as he wanted to attack both the fans and the braves.

A Bat Boy, quote, I remember the look in Ed Witson's eyes.

It was a look that I went, oh shit.

And I didn't want to see Ed like that ever.

That's the guy we just looked at.

Yeah.

Wow.

Down the left field line, a fan ran onto the field and tried to steal a batting helmet.

All right.

So this guy is like, this is a good time to try to do that.

I guess, but the bat, remember that now you're trouncing on Bat Boy territory.

That's equipment.

That's right.

Bat Boy, quote, Braves infielder Jerry Royster just just kind of tackles him, throws him back on the ground, kicks him in the butt, and says, get the hell off the field.

He handled that pretty well.

He could have beaten him with the helmet.

The delay of this fight lasts 15 minutes.

Jesus Christ.

So now the umpires have to figure this out.

Does the fight stop because they're kind of tuckering themselves out?

A little bit, yeah.

But also.

There's what, four umpires?

I mean, there's not enough of them to undo that.

But there's other players stopping it.

There are players who are

going to stop the fight.

Yeah.

No.

I don't know if there's much security.

But also, if you get the hotheads

out of it.

Because it's always one guy running in, like Pavakra or Summers or whatever.

There's always a few guys that are just out of their minds.

Right.

Take the fuses out.

So the umpires do what no one's ever heard of.

They order both teams' benches.

So the guys who aren't playing in the field into the clubhouse for the rest of the game.

They order, okay.

Interesting.

So the dugouts are empty.

Right.

So now it's just the players on the field, a couple of Batboys and some bullpen guys that remain.

Starting to get kind of weird.

Bat Boy Phillips said this was a very smart decision and probably stopped it from getting really bad.

Good God.

How funny, it's already bad.

It's horrible.

Quote, it could have been worse than it was.

I've got to be honest, it could have been worse.

At least in my dugout, there were a lot of really ticked-off guys.

The Pottery scored two runs in the ninth, but the Braves win.

Keeps going.

Keeps going.

What are they going to do?

They have to play it.

The Potteries, although they could have just stopped it, so that's it.

1.45 a.m., bottom of the ninth.

A man is dead.

About six people are dead.

There's a bird that's passed away.

Four fires.

And what looks like a sinkhole is opened in deep right field.

We got to get out of here.

My son starts school in four hours.

Wait, your son starts school at 5.45?

No, because I'm in a different city, and I got to go back to where I'm from.

You're forgetting the time difference.

What are you here to poke holes?

Let's just finish this fucker, huh?

The Braves win 5-3, and after the game, all the shit talking started.

Both teams blamed each other for starting it, and they all expected it to continue when they met again the next month.

Joe Torrey, Braves manager, quote, Dick Williams is an idiot.

Spell that with a capital I and a small W.

Dick Williams.

Tell Joe Torrey to stick that finger he's pointing.

Williams also, quote, there's not enough mustard in the state of Georgia to cover Perez.

Perez, quote, I'm no hot dog.

Just keep it to fighting.

The shit talk is.

How is he a hot dog?

He just actually hit a guy.

He's not a hot dog.

Well, I'm still caught up on idiot with a capital I I and a capital W.

Idiot?

Or his last name?

No, so

his name, he's saying his name would be Idiot Williams, but

he's a little man.

You don't capitalize the W.

It's just

it took a lot.

That's like when I would read Shakespeare and be like, what is he saying?

Yeah, but it's like, you want to be Joe.

That's a little sweaty.

You don't want a different.

It's a little much.

Although sweaty now.

Here, I'm Joe Torrey.

Ready?

Yeah.

All right, ask for a quote on him.

You have a quote on that?

Yeah, he's an idiot.

Fuck that guy.

We're going to beat the shit out of him if he's not careful.

Boom, done.

How do you spell his his name, though?

I-D-I-O-T-W, small W-I-L-L.

I'm no hot dog.

What I was thinking was sweaty meant you were trying too hard to do something, and now it means the opposite with kids.

So Mike W like, that was sweaty, but it means like it was awesome as opposed to.

This is tough.

Yeah, it's not good.

Can't hang out with this.

That's some skibbity toilet shit.

Player Jerry Royster quote, too much too much went on for it to be over.

We're looking for it.

Player Bobby Brown quote, stay tuned for round two.

There was concern this fight would have an impact on the entire league.

And after the game, the umpire talked on the phone to the league office for a long time, and he told them, quote, this has put baseball back 50 years.

So the fight is nationwide news.

ABC's Nightline does, which is a late night show that's on opposite Letterman and the tonight show, they do a long story on it, but nothing changed.

The Braves would show clips to every team that came to Atlanta to play because they all wanted to see it.

Because there wasn't video on the news that

they had all the

stadium clips.

Wait, so they, if they're doing reporting on it, it's just pictures only.

I think there is some video, but

they had the cameras of the field that they used.

Right, right.

Yeah.

Wow.

But something surprising happened or didn't happen.

There was no fight when the teams met six weeks later enough time had gone by for things to simmer down and maybe all the media attention made them feel that like they look like fucking idiots right i would imagine like you go home and your wife's like what the fuck were you doing he hit me in the buttock yeah everyone's getting like the moms are calling and going what what is happening with you i'm sorry um the padres had clinched the division so there was nothing to play for okay

And the two managers spoke and made up.

Oh, that's cute.

Prez even pitched and got a win in the rematch.

So he fucking pitched in the rematch.

That's wild.

That's a wild decision.

That's really crazy because he doesn't have to pitch.

It's

depending on how many games he was trying to win or whatever.

That's a wild decision.

They could have just held him out.

But people still talk about the fight today.

It's way up on the list of worst sports fights ever, if not the top one.

Can we see highlights of it now?

Oh, yeah, I think you can find some highlights of it.

Yeah.

It's not like it was a common thing.

One of the Batboys who played through high school said, quote, I've never seen anything like this ever.

Now, a lot of these guys are famous baseball players.

Joe Torrey would go on to win

any World Series as a Yankees manager.

Goose Gossage is considered an all-time reliever.

Bob Horner is a Braves legend.

Donnie Moore gave up one of the most legendary playoff home runs in history and then soon after shot his wife, who survived, but then he killed himself.

A lot of people think he committed suicide because Angel fans were so mean to him after giving up the home run, but in truth, he was just fucked up.

And then Dave Dravecki famously

was throwing a pitch his arm cracked and he found out he had cancer.

Ah, and then he got cured of can't did he have his arm cut off?

Ah, did he have one arm cut off?

But he he he came back and then it broke again.

So anyway,

and Eric Sho

became a fame.

So Eric Sho, the main John Bircher loudmouth guy, would

be revealed to be just a massive drug addict.

Was he able to, did he eradicate the world of communism?

He didn't.

What he did was eradicate himself.

I gotta say, this umpire in this brawl is big-boned.

Watching this umpire get involved in this is crazy.

Yeah.

This is crazy.

You can watch it on YouTube.

It's kind of like it, like to what you were saying, it's like

it's so sloppy because it is not like everyone wants to be involved.

A lot of people are trying to sort of stop it.

Yes.

But there's still some hotheads.

There's always guys trying to stop it.

It's really just male culture.

There's just like a number of ones where you're not going to be able to do it.

Most dudes are like, what are you doing?

Yeah,

most of us are trying to be like, please no.

And then there's like a few dudes outside trying to swing punches and you're like, Frank.

Yeah.

Jesus, dude.

This again?

Yeah.

There's just definitely.

I think the difference in this.

The guy running from out of nowhere.

to try to get in the dugout and then when the fan throws the beer at his head there's a woman getting knocked down over there.

I mean, it's a bad fight.

The difference between this fight and other fights is I think that more dudes wanted to fight.

Right.

Because I very specifically, in my memories,

have these pictures of certain players doing certain things.

Like I remember when the Dodgers got into a fight and there was like that pile and it didn't seem that bad.

And all of a sudden, Gary Sheffield runs from out of right field and just jumps in the pile, just fucking hitting people.

And then it kicks off.

And you're like, right, that guy was out of his fucking mind.

Yeah, that's kind of what is happening here.

It's a lot of time to try to figure it out.

Jesus Christ.

The outfits are awesome.

Baseball fights are when they're real fights,

they're really insane.

Dude, it keeps traveling to like different zones.

It's like

it kind of ends over in one area, and then one guy's like, woo!

Yeah,

yeah, they just, they just move.

So, where is it?

Where where does this, is this the worst baseball fight on the field?

That's considered the worst.

I still kind of think the Giants Cardinals

was

because they fought more than once over a couple years.

So it's a spanner.

The last fight was like nothing I had ever seen.

It went on for a long time.

And one pitcher had like broken ribs and a broken arm.

And like it was.

Like it was, it was guys, I remember very specifically, guys getting knocked down and other guys jumping on top of them with their cleats.

You know what's kind of funny about baseball fights, too, is that while they are athletes, the conditioning level for baseball athletes in the 80s, say, is way lower than other sports.

And so these guys are gassed.

This is like the biggest cardio workout some of these men have had in their lives.

Yeah, they're not doing a lot of cardio stuff.

There's not a lot of, oh boy, that pitch in the elbow filled.

They're doing a lot of

hitting and throwing.

Hitting, throwing, but there's like

they're chubby.

Yeah, there's a lot of chubby.

These guys are chubby and

they're gassed.

Yeah, I mean, there's a reason there's pictures of them smoking in the dugout and shit, like, because they just partied and hung out and drank and then played baseball.

It's kind of better.

It is better.

You know what?

I got to say, like, watching Finn go through the process.

of playing travel ball and stuff, it's just all so individualized.

There's no team sort of camaraderie, maybe at the high school school level, but so many of the high school level coaches are just such pieces of shit that it's all just such a fucking mess.

And then you're trying to survive on your own and try to become good on your own without your coach destroying it.

And it's just all completely individualized.

So I think they grew up in a time when it wasn't individualized and it was truly a team sport.

And now I think it's not as much of a team sport.

Yeah.

It is.

There's so much.

Like, yeah, we are just so selfish now.

So

it's pretty reflective of society.

But like, they also, like, it's now a sport where you have to work out.

Like,

Finn is like.

Yeah, he's jacked.

He's jacked.

And, and it's, and not a lot of his teammates are, but if you want to go on to the next level, you got to be jacked.

Yeah.

And he wants to play the next level.

So

so these, the kids who really want to get better are all jacked.

And then there's kids on his team that just look like regular like 16 year olds or like scrawny and like

yeah, they hang out with my buddy.

yeah they look like fun yeah yeah yeah um but yeah no and now if you see a if you see any college guys like

i mean i went and saw the top to the top 25 programs vanderbilt and ucilia play and i was just like i mean these guys yeah these guys are like physical specimens and they're just in college but it's always funny when you go to like watch sports versus like on the tv yeah because you'll go you'll like watch on the tv and be like this guy's fat yeah and then you go to the game you're like these are illegal monsters

a commercial once for the UFL, which I think is now not a thing any longer.

But so it was like, you know, players who weren't good enough for the NFL, they were playing in a secondary league.

And I mean, it was shocking.

Yeah.

Shocking.

Yeah.

I was like, how the fuck, how can these guys not be in the NFL?

Dude, the baseball players that you see that are like in like Division III school, you're just like, what?

Like, that guy's like a monster.

I know.

Yeah, it's crazy.

It's crazy.

But all the kids now are really fucked up from from you,

from

TikTok and working out and getting muscles.

The boys, really.

What do you mean?

They've all become like

influenced into just not all of them, but a lot of them, just like into like

really working out and being like, you know, this like

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And I'll do the sources.

The sources for this episode were big, big fight bang.

It was, this is from the sporting news.

I read a lot of articles on that for this one.

The August 12th, 1984, How Some Braves, Bat Boys Played an Unwitting Role in the Wildest Brawl Ever.

That was a big part of my source search here.

That was by John Foster, right?

That was by John Foster.

I was that one.

That's how I know.

Who's a hell of a guy?

Then another one of my sources for this was, wow, what a strike.

Then I also went on the ringer.

I love the ringer, remembering baseball's right-wing rotation.

So that's where you're going to get your birch fix.

Also,

a big article by Ryan Curtis.

Right, that's the same article, but right now.

Same article as the one I was saying before.

But we'd do that one, and that was a big one for me.

And then you got stuff from YouTube also.

And then I did a lot of YouTube stuff and a lot of U porn stuff.

I did a lot of U porn for this one.

I don't know if you need to.

No, I did.

I did a lot of U porn stuff.

Like what?

What are some of the titles?

Titles of the U porn stuff.

Yeah.

That's not a bit.

That was one of them.

And then ball grabs.

I did a lot of.

Why is that's not a bear in Australian?

Not a

bat have an Australian accent?

I thought you said bear.

No.

Oh.

No.

That's not a bat.

Why is it Australian?

Because it's this guy, Crocodile Dundee.

He's really good.

I wish I had an ass.

You know, when you do that and you wish I hadn't asked, he's really good.

And anyway,

we're excited.

Thanks, everybody.

Go buy that goo.

What's up, doll heads?

Join the Gare Force.

Come on, go to garethronals.com for tickets and information like going to see my new special taping.

That's right.

I'm taping a new hour on October 4th at the Den Theater in Chicago, Illinois.

Two shows, a 7:15 and a 9:30.

But before that, you can see me in Bozeman, Montana, September 5th and September 6th.

Los Angeles at the Lyric Hyperion Theater, September 13th, September 16th.

Then I'll be in Pasadena, California, September 17th.

And then I will be in San Diego at the American Comedy Co.

on September 21st.

I'll be in Chandler, Arizona, September 24th.

Kansas City, Missouri, September 26th, September 27th.

Columbia, Missouri, September 28th.

Milwaukee, Wisconsin, September 30th.

Appleton, Wisconsin, October 1st.

Fort Wayne, Indiana, October 3rd, two shows.

And like I said, the special taping, October 4th, two shows.

And then in November, November 6th, 7th, 8th, I'll be in Sunnyvale, California at RoosterTFeers.

Go to GarethReynolds.com for tickets and information.

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