685 - Jack Walton - Live

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This is an American History Podcast where each week I, Dave Anthony, read a story from American history to my little tiny friend.

You're not going to demean me.

We love each other. Gareth Reynolds, who has no idea what the topic is going to be about.

You wouldn't get it.

What would I not get the hat? He wouldn't understand how we do it here.

I see no one else with a pink cowboy hat on but you. Yeah, right.
Well,

they get it. They don't get it how I get it, but none of us get you.
Look at him with his San Francisco hat. Ooh, San Francisco.
Hey, how's that city going, Lib?

You want a hat war? You got it.

It's pink Gary time.

Giancé.

I'm going to leave. You should.

Go back to your little city where you got all your freeways

and your apartment built. Not like us.

We drive on roads with tractors.

We all live in barns and take horses for wives, right? Who's with me? Yeah.

There's a lot more people here than are women, I'll be honest. That was a very

You know

a lot of right-wingers talk shit about San Francisco, the city, and how bad it is, but man, Circle K down the streets, no fucking picnic.

Holy shit, I almost died.

I was like, are these humans?

The fuck was that?

It's your fault for going into a Circle K, dude? That's like, I don't know what the fuck. What do you expect when you walk into a circle K? Well, I thought I transported into 1997, Russia.

I'm like, what the fuck?

It's gonna be a dream in six months,

March 6th, 1881.

John Calloway Walton was born on a farm near Indianapolis.

They called him Jack. That's exciting.

They called him Jack? Yeah.

So his family moved to Fort Smith, Arkansas when he was eight.

Fort Smith, Arkansas.

I mean, literally no one knows where it is.

Would you listen to this San Francisco liberal? Tell us where our cities are.

No one knows where your town is. Okay, Newsome.

Get your head out of your ass.

Good Lord.

Try a little dillweed in your salad, would you, boy?

It's disgusting.

The Oklahoma Society, quote, Walton's parents instilled within their son a rigid moral code. Good.
It's never good.

I do not agree. Oh, thins up.

Oh, Finn's up to bat. Yeah.
He traveled a lot as a young man and served in the Army during the Spanish-American War. Mm-hmm.

Sacrifice fly. It's all right.
We'll take it. It's a run.
Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

After graduating from Fort Smith Commercial College, he got a job as a railroad timekeeper. A timekeeper.
Okay. A railroad timekeeper.

Yeah.

Got no idea what that I'd look for it. Well,

I got a theory. Yeah.
I mean, he's probably like making sure the trains know what time it is so that they can leave on time. It's what we would love at an airport.

My guess is that it was to prevent collisions. Like he would keep the time, like they were on the same track and they had a switch, so he would be like...
So like sprints. Yes, like sprints.

How fast did this train do a 40 in?

In 1853, there's a head-on collision because the conductors had different times on their watches. Oh, so he's like a synchronization agent.
Yeah, I think so, yeah.

Make sure all your watches are right. That's just, that seems like you don't have to do that job a lot.
A lot. Like, yeah.
Every day. What time you got?

At three-ish. No! Oh.
It's 7 a.m.

Oh, my goodness gracious. I, like most in this era, have a huge drinking issue.

I don't even have a watch!

God damn it, Larry. That fella stole it from me last night.

In the late 19th century, railroads replaced 50 different railway times with five time zones to ensure consistency. That's how we got time zones.
Wow, that's crazy. Yeah.

And then Arizona still is like, we don't do daylight savings.

Let's do a half hour. We drove through Arizona yesterday, right? Was it yesterday? Give that fucking statement.
And we were like,

even,

like, at one point, Waze was just giving us the finger. We're like, what? He's like, I don't know what time you got there.
Seven hours. How about five? I don't know what time you'll get there, but

you shouldn't have gone through Arizona.

They don't celebrate time.

So

John, known as Jack,

they called him Jack, not John. I never got that.
Kieran Culkin will play him in the biopic.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So after the railroad job, quote, the details of his life become sketchy and remain a topic of debate. oh so we're about to enter a maybes yeah we don't know we don't know

it's really difficult for what you do one theory well we can do theories now one theory is he spent four years in mexico serving as a personal train engineer to president pofurio diaz although there's absolutely no evidence of that

i want to find out what time my train will arrive

People also think he may have been a traveling salesman.

This era is getting more and more appealing to me. Yeah.
Where you just went and they're like, I'll have a stove.

And then this guy was just like, hey, do you want a wallet or something to put your knife in? You're like, yeah, that sounds cool too.

He did study engineering, and then he moved to Kansas City to become a salesman for national supply houses. Oh, so we only lose him for four years? Yeah.
Oh, then we're back. Yeah.
Okay, gotcha.

In 1904, he moved to Oklahoma.

He came here to work in the water and sewage business. Or did he? No one really knows.
Some people say he didn't arrive until 1915. No one knows what he was doing.

Anyway, what we do know is 1905, he married Madeline Orich

just three weeks after divorcing his first wife, who we knew nothing about. Wow.
This guy kept it. He D-L'd it pretty strong.
Yeah.

He was, yeah.

In 1913, he co-founded the McIntosh and Walton Engineering Company and served in the Engineering Corps during World War II.

By 1917, he had a rep in Oklahoma as a charming and charismatic local leader. Okay.

He was elected as Public Works Commissioner and ran in 1920 ran for mayor. Here we go.
This is where it's starting to get dicey. Quote.
Politics.

Few expected him to succeed, and many local journalists already hated him, seeing him as a political upstart with delusions of grandeur.

Well, so like everybody in government now, yeah.

Well, this guy thinks he's a fancy one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, they all think they're better than us now.

During his campaign, he hired a jazz band to get people to come to his speeches. I like that.
So Jack got the nickname Jazz Band Jack.

It's so amazing

how they morph into a politician. Yeah.

Like they look human for so long and then they get in and then they're like, hey, I'm going to look like I drink oil.

I mean, that is.

Jazz Band. But if you saw him, you'd be like, yeah, jazz.
Jazz, absolutely. He's a jazz guy.

And it's Jazzband Jack because he hired the band who probably was horrible to follow him everywhere. Right.
Okay, minions.

Despite the bad press, he won.

The bad press was what? The press hated him, so they just went after him.

We don't know. Okay, all right.

Author Dirk Langeld, quote, he won the election in Oklahoma City by 50,000 votes, the largest majority in the state's history at the time. But 50,000 votes as a huge margin is also fun.
That's huge.

I mean, back then,

insane.

Finn's team is up 5-1 in the bottom of the first.

Just saying, undefeated.

This will be 11-0. We got a lot of money on this game, too.

We got a lot of money on this one. So he was a supporter of progressive ideas like women's suffrage, the 40-hour work week, and public ownership of utilities.
Remember public ownership of utilities?

Oh, my God. No.
Remember women's suffrage? No. Can't vote?

Nope. All I remember is the jazz band.

That actually might happen with our current government. They're like, all jazz guys got to be white.

That might be what we have to do for a while. We might just to prove, proof of concept, we might have to be like, fine, go for it.
Be like, white.

The dog that caught the mailman. Two, three, four, five, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck.

Fuck.

He's just got his mouth on the end of the trombone and puts his finger on the lip part.

Sweet!

Boop, boop, boop!

Walton was rumored to be so liberal on the issue of race relations that he was a regular at black jazz clubs. They didn't see that picture.

Do not allow this man in. And then there's this picture of that jazz band.

I bet if he had had a black jazz band playing, they would have voted for him. Listen, it's a great country.

It's a lot of fun.

As a mayor, he would usurp the police if he felt they weren't doing their job. Could you imagine? We need a fucking,

oh, God, a usurper for positive stuff.

Especially with prohibition laws. Quote, Walton personally led raids against speakeasies and other illegal establishments.
Nah, he's losing us. Easy.

Don't come. Yeah, exactly.

He forbade.

He forbade police officers from joining the Ku Klux Klan.

Those were the days.

What an achievement. And

everyone's like, yeah, that's right.

He wouldn't let cops join the colours. You know what's so fucked up? Like, in 10 years, that'll be the Democratic Party platform.

It'll be Chuck Schumer, whose head is on his dick finally.

And we're the only party that's saying that you cannot be a Klansman and a cop.

Excuse me, real quick. I'm going to suck my own dick down here.

In one remarkable case, he ordered a 10-year-old boy to be whipped for disrespecting a 13-year-old black girl.

I am,

yeah, it's a hard one.

I don't know.

Fuck. It's the right reaction.

Yeah.

I don't know where to look at it.

Did you talk to him a little first?

Pull him aside. Sit him straight.

Jesus Christ. This guy's all over the map.
Yeah. Like the EKG of my heart right now is like, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing.
Love him. What the fuck? Love him.
Oh, no.

He was very pro-labor. When the meatpackers went on strike, he provided them with food and refused to extend police protection to owners and their property, which infuriated the Chamber of Commerce.

Oh, there you go.

There you go. Yep.

In January 1922, a black man was lynched after crossing the picket line, dragged from his home, shot, and hanged. And the Chamber of Commerce then demanded martial law to prevent more unrest.

But Jack said the chamber was, quote, killing the city by their promotion of labor strife and wanted to finish the job by declaring martial law.

The murder was made to look like the KKK did it, but it was later found out to be done by union guys.

I mean, union history is a complicated history.

Jeez, each one of these is like a riddle.

It feels like I'm having like a psychological exam. Yeah.

Do you like that or not like that?

I think

I think I, fuck.

Now should that boy have been whipped or should that boy

have been allowed to do that to that poor little black woman? I like it. Uh-huh.

You don't need to look into that mirror on the wall there.

It's just a regular mirror.

Do you like it?

You like when little boys get whipped?

Your bag is that, is that right?

I'm afraid you're not Circle K material.

We're looking for the best of the bests.

A Circle K so fucked up that you can't swipe your credit card at the gas.

Can't have that anymore.

Yeah, well, then you just get you got to go inside to complete the circle. Yeah.

The guy laughed at me because I was wearing a mask. I was like, you should see you as a human.

Dave's a popular guy.

So Jack embraced the he's the everyman, right?

That's his political thing. He's the every guy.
Sure. The former labor reconstruction league had formed to appeal to workers and farmers.

It was run by a socialist and a former member of the left-wing non-partisan league.

Yeah, yep, yep, that's actually what needs to come back.

The

Democratic Party, if you can believe this, at the time, struggling.

Define struggling, please, sir.

We've got a bunch of stuff we're doing.

Checks mix will now have rye chips.

You're welcome.

Farmers and laborers had left the party, and they were losing the Catholic vote and people who were worried about the KKK.

Fuck me. This is when

there was like a Ponzi scheme where the guy was like charging for the uniforms, and

yeah, like so. Well, that's why it was a grand wizard, it cost a grand.
You're like, wait, what?

The pyramid scheme. The Oklahoma Historical Society, quote, desperate for a victory, Democratic leaders look to Walton, the reputed friend of the common man, as their savior.
So Walf.

It's amazing also that they can't figure it out. No, how can you? That they're like, okay, what am I supposed to do? What people want?

Oh, fuck.

So he happily accepts the endorsement and he crushes two primary candidates.

What's a primary?

I don't remember.

The KKK had endorsed another candidate and also mandatory public school, which pushed the Catholic vote to Jack. Because you can't have public school.

So the Oklahoma Historical Society, quote, Walton hit the campaign trail once again with his jazz band in tow. Please tell me he upgraded a little.
Come on, Whitey! Four, five, nine hundred.

How are you not aging?

Large crowds gathered wherever he went, listening to speeches long on content and short on substance.

Described by one critic as ill-conceived mouthings.

I've had those.

that

were back when

I when it used to be whiskey and beer, I was

a lot of ill-conceived mouthings, but

receiver and participant. Yeah,

crowds love just waking up. Sorry, last night was an ill-conceived mouthing.

So sorry, I shouldn't have done this. What are we doing?

You're married.

Yes, I am.

We do a podcast together. Yeah, Jesus, no.

That's how the show started.

So crowds love him. He promised if elected, he would hold a massive barbecue.
Wow. What the fuck? That'll get you votes here, right? That'll get you votes.

I honestly just, most of it is good, but if you are like, and then we're going to have a kick-ass party if I win. Yeah.
It takes so little now. Yes.

Like, if someone was like, you'll get a noodle, I'd be like, yeah, that'll work. Yeah, I'd take a noodle.
That sounds good.

The press still hates him. There are questions about his conduct as mayor.

Why do they hate him? They hate him because he's erratic or because they're in the pocket of the paper. I think they just think he's full of shit.
Right, okay. Yeah, sure.
Right. The press.
Yep.

Quote, ethical questions plagued him wherever he went, such as his tendency to issue honorary member of police cards to friends and prestigious guests who visited.

Hey, Ilbis, you want to be a cup?

Well,

I don't know if I'm qualified, but uh. Oh, you're qualified.
I'm on a lot of barbituits. That's it, then you are qualified.

For the past two months, I've been trying to get a pig that appears and then disappears. Yeah, then

you're ready to go. The other day, I chased him in a bathtub drain and got my tongue stuck down it.
Tongue what? My tongue got stuck down it.

It's It's called a salt burn.

What?

Giving everyone a cop car is awesome. Yeah.

Cop card. Oh, card.
Card. Oh, no.
I don't give everyone a cop car. That would be the best.

How much money do you think this town had? Well, I was learning to see why the press hated him.

Like, we don't know who the fuck is a cop anymore. 700 cop cars driving around.

Are you a real cop? No.

Are you? Nuh-uh.

I am. Shut up.

That would be the best.

Fuck. What the fuck? I was picturing like the end of the Blues Brothers.

Oh, fuck. That'd be the best.

He's the Oprah of cop cars.

You get a cop car.

What the fuck? I'm nine. Drive it.

So the press attacks on him didn't dent his popularity. No one cared, if you can imagine.

He was the working man candidate. He defeated the Republican by 50,000 votes in the general election.
Wow, he's good at that.

He was supported by Catholic, farm labor, and black voters. The KKK did not endorse either candidate, despite both of them trying to get the KKK vote, because you want that.

Wait, he was too? No, he would. He tried to get it, but he did try to get it.
Yeah, yeah, you want their vote because they're like the biggest thing in politics at that time. Oh, fuck me.

Every time I'm like

grow up,

grow up. All right, you're right, absolutely.
You're right. I should really check myself.

But many Klam members were Democrats and likely voted for Jack.

In the election,

W.D. McBee

McBee?

W.D. McBee.

Oh, my lord, a lord.

He was elected to the state senate. Okay.
That guy. Seems cool.
He was a lawyer, and he agreed to run for the Democrats on the condition that he did not have to campaign.

That's awesome. That kicks ass.

That's great.

So Jack keeps his barbecue promise.

300,000 attended.

That's like sometimes like Jack in the Box will be like, if

the Bucs get 100 points, everyone gets Jack in the Box. That's like they do, and they're like, fuck.

Finn Anthony, two RBI triple.

We're going to make a lot of money.

300,000 people. 300,000.
Oh, fuck. I mean, that, it's crazy.
There could have even been 300,000 people in Oklahoma City at the time. Yeah, definitely people from

everywhere. We did it!

Can I have a rib?

Who won? All right.

Langveld, quote, on his inauguration day, so many people took part in the parade to the ceremony that the procession stretched on for 16 miles. Oh my God.

I mean, just go home. What are you doing? Like, I can't.
Yeah, if you're at the end, if you're at the end, stop. What are you doing when you get there and you're like, there's no more meat?

No, it's Thursday.

What do y'all have left?

Can I lick the grate?

Man, would it be okay if I just bang the spatula onto a paper plate and lick the dust off?

I've waited nine days.

What an event.

It's unbelievable.

The Oklahoma. He's the last guy to gangbang.

I mean, why did you have to put it that way? That's what I was saying. It's just like at the end, go, leave.
You don't want to. No, you get in there.
This is exactly how I like it, Nassan.

Nassan warmed up and ready.

The guy at the end who's like, you can go ahead. You can go ahead too.
After you. You also can step ahead.
After you. I'd like to be last.
I just, I don't like being timed.

I'm going to take my sweet time.

Go ahead. Boy, we really took that in a bad direction.
You started it. Did I? Yeah.

The Oklahoma State Fairgrounds became the seat of a massive feast. A vast selection of food, beef, chicken, turkey, deer, three bears.
Three bears?

The podcast?

And 134 opossums. Oh no!

No!

No opossum!

Oh no! Why the babies are so fucking tender?

The meat just slips off the baby bone.

Oh fuck. I don't care for it in a number of ways.

Jesus Christ.

Man, the line for opossum is long,

but worth it.

I'll have a tale.

They were cooked on roasting pits that covered more than a mile.

I mean, this is insane. The fire department brought out its fire engines to supply the water.
Did someone shit their pants?

We all did.

Has anyone anyone here not shit their parents?

Me, sir.

Squeeze them, boys.

But I'm in the jazz band and I'm not eating yet. Oh,

two, two, two, two.

This guy's all over the map. He's back.

So the fire department brought out its fire engines to supply the water needed to brew 8,000 gallons of coffee. I'm up.
What the fuck is...

You can't go around California and tell that anecdote anymore like that. You can't be like,

you know, there was a time where the fire department showed up to make coffee with the hose.

So Jack wants to push his progressive agenda, but the legislature is more conservative and wouldn't agree to his key reforms.

Like he wanted to create a state bank, he wanted a state insurance system, and a soldier's bonus.

Mm-mm-mm.

And the conservative guys, as usual, didn't want to pay the soldiers.

He did get some progressive laws passed, like the expansion of a farm cooperative program, improvements to welfare and workmen's compensation benefits, stronger laws for banking violation, a free textbook law, and $1 million in school aid.

Wow. Pretty good shit.

Oh, you're clapping for ruin in America.

And free possum.

Free possum. And the baby ones slip off the bed.
Stop talking. You just gotta set it.
Stop it. Nope.

Nope, we're good. If you cook it just right, you don't have to take the hair off.
You just

suck the meat right out.

Only one direction you can do that from, weirdo.

Exactly.

I pull up in my cop car that I don't deserve. No.

The opinus.

Drop the possum, sir. Walk away from it.

Hold on.

There you go, sir. Whole possum.

He also declared that no prisoner would be executed on his watch, but he knew to... Which I know a lot about from my first job.

But he knew he should try to curry favor with conservative members.

Many were in the Klan, and so he met leaders and was designated as a Klansman-at-Large. What the fuck? Jesus Christ.
Well, we can't like him now.

Yeah, no, it's Klansman. What does that mean? Doesn't that mean he's on the run? It's a double-secret Klansman.
You they're the Klansman at large?

That's what they gave to public politicians who wanted a secret membership. It's a DL Klansman.
What's up?

I only hate the blacks in secret.

Hey.

God, it's gutting. Now I'm gutted.

Jack kept appointing friends and supporters to key roles. He replaced the president of Oklahoma College with the head of the Farmers and Labors League.

Stop crawling back. No, we don't clap for him anymore, sir.
We're done clapping for him. Did you fucking hear his undercover clan?

It's got a little hood. He's, yeah.

What the fuck? I mean, it's like,

there's no more good for me. This man is dead.

He had never gone, so the guy he appointed had never gone to college, and he had to be escorted off campus by the National Guard after students and staff protested.

I'm just picturing the National Guard on college campuses and like having a laugh.

I'm having a giggle.

The

Farmer and Labor's League then demanded more for farmers, so Jack turned them, so Jack turns against them. He's like, i gave you the fucking president of the college what else do you want

he's tony soprano now how dare you i gave you enough you planted it all what the fuck you want from me

so now jack's quote he begins referring to league members as reds and radicals when he lunched with influential oklahoma businessmen or made statements to the press they did yeah they did it yeah

someone's a fetterman yeah

He's not hotter.

Yeah.

Well,

how hard is that? Stop. Like a potato is hotter than Fetterman.

He bought a large mansion in Oklahoma City with the help of a wealthy oil magnate. Here we go.
Ernest Marlin.

He bought a second home in Muscogee. Muskegee.
Muskegee?

Muskogee. Muscogee?

You got two E's there, is it a no?

Listen to this. Listen to Sam Fran telling us what two E's does where he's from.

But I thought that it had two E's, so I thought. Yeah, okay.

Okay, so sorry. Musko go.

Why don't you must go go home to San Francisco where it's falling apart, you little liberal?

Take care of your own goddamn circle, K. We are.

We like it creepy and haunted.

You know, if you spend one night in a circle K, it's yours.

So says the will of the land.

If you go into a circle K, you just rip off the employee's mask. It's normally the old man who ran the amusement park.
God damn you, kids!

He asked the state

legislature to pay for a pay raise from $5,000

to $200,000. Oh, fuck me.

Now, all right, let me ask you this.

Did you pop the clan information in there right before the heel turn, or is that really the chronology? Like, that really is how the events played out? No, he really got it.

He seemed like a really second he got clanny. He seemed like a lefty guy, and then he got it.

He got all clanny, and then he was like, I need to have 200. I also think it was when the lefties started pushing back and going, no, we want more.
And then he was like, fuck you. I'm a Klansman.

It's like a Jimmy Dore thing.

That guy's alive now.

Oh, yeah. Oh, no, not my boyfriend.
Now I like the show. Fuck him.

So he's asking for a

40,

a raise of 40 times the salary. As you do.
So it would be the. By the way, in this day and age, that sounds like nothing.
Yeah.

It's like the Delta CEO.

It's the equivalent of 3.75 million today for governor.

I mean,

that's a lot. They probably, I would imagine Scott Walker walked with something like that.
Yeah, he was probably like, oh, like Foxconn. He was like, this is great.
You and your Foxconn.

Let it go, man. I'm sorry.
It's very upsetting. It ruined my state.

Well, it was very upsetting. Yeah, your state would have ruined itself.

I just can't believe they snuck con into the con. It was like so

obvious what they were doing. They were like, yeah.

We're opening a bullshit factory and you're all going to have jobs.

You're going to be so tired of winning.

So all this stuff kind of hurt Jack's everyman image. Yeah.

I wonder why. I don't know.
And they talk of impeachment beginning. It'll be great when he fires the jazz band.
Are we coming with you, Mr. Governor?

Look, you've been fucking horrible the whole you guys. Seriously, how long could someone be 12? Get out of here.

But we put everything behind you. Shut up.
Get out of here.

Two, three,

four, seven, nine, ninety-one,

two hundred and five.

Never meet your heroes.

So, so people in the state start talking about impeachment, and critics are saying he misused public funds and his pardon power.

Now, after the world, after World War I, the Klan was more powerful, especially in Oklahoma, where membership was between 90 to 200,000.

How do you, was that a census?

Well, you can't, it's like you can't go like, are you in the Klan? Yes.

White, no. Fuck.

Are you? You, uh.

What clan?

The cool guy clan?

Pink hat clan

of racist.

Nice try, dickhole.

It was estimated one one in every 20 residents was in the Klan. That's fucking crazy.
That's crazy.

David Mark Chalmers, author of Hooded Americanism, The History of the Ku Klux Klan, says the Oklahoma Klan was, quote, less concerned with crime than personal behavior.

So they were like morality police? Oh, fuck me. Most victims were white Protestants, which...

Stop, Dave. Stop.
It's a slippery slope. We just saw you go through it.
Stop.

I can hear you in some arguments.

Most victims are white Protestants, including young men and women caught riding in cars together.

Jesus Christ.

I'll receive mouth moves or whatever.

It's like... It's like the fingering cops are out there.

Y'all been fingering tonight? What are y'all?

Anyone had a digit in them tonight? What's going on here? Bring that over here, son. I'll smell it.

I mean, someone was going to do it.

Put your finger in this tube, son.

They bring a dog over. Smell that and have him smell that.

Well, we're after you're going to search the car. Dog smells something on you.

They were also. We're going to have to take you downtown and put you in a lineup.
Someone might finger you there.

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They also went after bootleggers and both a man who had deserted his wife and the woman he ran off with. So they're just out.
It's just morality. Yeah, ball buster.

So the KKK promoted themselves as moral guardians of a society and defender of traditional values

more than race warriors. Oh, for fuck.
Well, fuck, fuck.

Legend Beld quote, Klansmen typically kidnapped a person, took them to a remote location, and whipped them. The Klan will also tar and feather, mutilate, assault, and sometimes murder.

Those subjected to these abuses were rarely reported. They were either afraid of reprisals or certain that local officials were

themselves part of the KKK. Or killed.
Well, you wouldn't want to go to an official because they might be part of the KKK. Oh, fuck.

When a case did go to court, juries usually acquitted anyone charged. Because they were also afraid.
Or they're in the Kanye. Or they're in the Klan.
Like, if you you don't know,

if you don't know who's in the Klan, then, yeah. Right.
It's cool. It's cool.

It's great. In 1922 alone, the Klan were said to have.
Hold on a second, our phone's ringing. Is that your phone? Can we answer it?

That's your alarm. What was it?

What's the alarm for? I work nights. Oh, are you leaving?

Okay.

You're going to work nights.

You understand what I'm saying?

Oh, you'll be working nights. Sir, shut up.

Christ.

So

the violence of the Klan was actually really unpopular, if you can believe that. Weird.

But they're very powerful, and many thought they did good or represented their values, because that's the whole morality thing, right? Right.

And they're not out publicly. Quote, considerable numbers of Oklahoma government officials during the 1920s were either Klan members or apologists, like you.
So you're an apologist. No.

Fucking crazy. Wrong.

Jack had a mixed relationship. With the Klan.
Yeah, you know, we got some buttons. Yeah, but will they, won't they?

As mayor, he spurned them and angered them during the meatpacking strike, but he courted them during the election, and as governor, he was pretty soft on them.

It definitely sounds like the playbook. Yeah.
He appointed them, he appointed a Klansman to the head of the Department of Health. Oh, fuck.

What is this rabbo flavin?

You know what cures measles is a weird look.

The only way to beat measles is with more measles.

You want out measles? You got to out-measle them. They're called measles because they're weak, they're measly.

But with the pressure being piled on, Jack felt he should take drastic action to win people back.

So, in May 1922,

great day for Oklahoma,

a riot breaks out in Tulsa.

All right.

Sorry, were you talking about the thousands killed?

So it starts innocuously with a guy in an elevator, black guy, and a woman says she grabbed him. And then a son.
I think he grabbed her. She says he grabbed her, yeah.
And then

they're like, let's burn down Tulsa.

I think the neighborhood is Greenwood.

Yes, Greenwood.

So a lot of people fucking get killed. I mean, it's like it's a crazy, it's a legit, crazy fucking, one of the darkest things in America.
That's why we're not going to cover it that much. Yeah, right.

I get that. So riders loaded and they burned an area known as Black Wall Street, mostly middle-class black.
People,

initially they're like, 36 people died, but now it's like, no, it's like hundreds.

So

people in Oklahoma are shocked. Like, not everybody's down with this.
Right, yeah.

And so Jack sees a political opportunity. Langeld, quote, shortly after the riot, the Klan completed its clavern, which was an enormous assembly hall capable of holding up to 3,000 people.

And it was nicknamed Be No Hall by locals.

They joked that members wishing to join had to be no Jew, be no Catholic, be no immigrant, be no.

Fucking.

Let me know when to tag back in.

By the way, 3,000?

It's a lot of clans. It's a good time for a fire.
All right, I know. Whoops.
That's the problem with wearing the most flammable outfit possible.

Dan's long hoods on fire.

In

June 1923, people, I don't know, say this one, Okmulgi?

Okmulgi.

Okmulgi?

Or Orkmulgo?

Okmulgi complained of mob violence and no police response.

Well, all the cop cars were gone. He gave them to everybody.

The fuck were they supposed to do?

Just a bunch of Elvises going around town.

Finn got hit by a pitch.

That mutt. We got to go.
Have a good night.

He got an RBI, though, so it's fine.

Hopefully it wasn't his face or whatever.

Toughen him up.

So

they don't, cops aren't doing anything, so Jack declares martial law. And he sends Foreigner National Guard for three days, which is kind of a,

that's kind of how you would respond after the Tulsa fucking night. Yeah, right, right.

But he never mentions the Klan, but he says it's it's it's pretty clear that they're the mob that he's talking about.

Um, so this gets praise, but critics weren't happy, including McBee,

who is looking into impeaching him for doing this. So

we,

how do we, what's McBee's deal?

We've lost the threat on McBee.

Are we pro or anti-McBee? I think we're pro-McB. Okay, that's what it feels like.
Yeah, okay.

So the petition for impeachment was getting a lot of signatures, and people are turning against Jack.

And in August, a Jewish guy who runs a boarding house gets attacked by four men after cops question him because he was suspected of selling drugs. Okay.

Not a crime. And this happened just blocks from a Tulsa police station, so people are wondering if there's...
some sort of... Poor location for your occupation is not a crime.

I agree. So

the victims,

sorry, Jack said he'd declare martial law if the cops don't start making arrests there also. Okay.
For that. Right.

So the victims visited Jack's secretary and he, the guy, the Jewish guy, he's like, look at all these injuries and he shows the bruises and stuff. And then Jack declares martial law.

He's like, look at this one.

That one, they kicked me. Oh, yeah.
And he's like, that's it. Send him out.
And then the riot.

Okay.

Interesting standards. Yeah.
Quote, the residents of the city of Tulsa were particularly incensed by Walton's order. Oh, fuck me.
I mean,

you just burned down the black part of town. How dare you?

Martial law might be appropriate for a backwater region like Okomolge, they argued.

But not for Tulsa.

We ain't no Oak Mulgians.

How dare you? I mean, all we did was just burden them.

So then

a black guy is suspected of stealing a car and he gets kidnapped and then Jack declares absolute martial law.

What's going on did he just find out about it like two weeks in? Was he like, wait, what is it? Martial law? Yeah. So he's like, martial law.
I'm going to go to the grocery.

Actually, just martial law and see if they'll grab me some stuff. I mean, I think, you know, after the Tulsa thing, I think when the Tulsa thing was happening, everyone was like, what the fuck?

He was like, I think everyone's okay with this. And then he realized that, like, no, everyone's not okay with this.
So now he's just using

thou doth protest martial law too much.

The National Guard's authority now supersedes local officials. Yes.
He suspends habeas corpus,

which is against the state constitution. Right.
Well, and every constitution. Or was.
Everything. Yeah.
It's also against the U.S. Constitution.

I mean, used to be.

I mean, back then it was.

And now it is.

No, not anymore.

But it's for free. No, absolutely.
Oh, my God.

It's fun to be a falling empire.

Yeah, it really is.

So Jack convenes an inquiry into Klan violence, and hundreds of people testify.

Stories include a couple who said masked men had taken them from their home and flogged them for brewing a strong alcoholic beverage.

The fuck.

They reported to police, but no one was arrested.

Oh, sorry, this is, I got this guy wrong. So this is a black deputy, John Smithereen, and he was kidnapped.

Quote, Smithereen said the mob accused him of registering black voters to cast their ballots against the city administration, as well as being ungentlemanly with conduct toward a white woman.

After tying to a tree, they beat him and ordered him to leave the state. And they cut off an ear and made him eat it.
Oh, fuck me.

Boy, that's just a fucking book of spells shit ages back.

That's crazy.

Well, I also like that he now.

The idea that he's doing investigations into the Klan after.

Like, that's what they all fucking... The politicians are such.
Well, so far he's flipped back and forth, right? Yeah, I know, but whatever's popular. Yes, yeah, that's what they do.

It's like, he's actually a very good politician, unfortunately. Yeah, right.
Yeah.

So there's also Ellis Merriman who said he was kidnapped by two men saying they were cops, and they took him to a Klan meeting.

They also beat him and make him leave town. But then he comes back a month later and he gives the names of the 18 men who attacked him to the county attorney who does nothing.

And then what?

He gives it to the county attorney and the guy's like,

what are you going to do?

So his employer then threatens to fire him if he doesn't leave the matter alone. And his testimony leads to the arrest of the Grand Dragon.

Honestly, in any other context, what a dumb statement.

It's so fucking stupid.

It's stupid on a level where we're like, nor like, it's normal not to be like, ooh, they got the Grand Dragon.

Yes.

What?

what would you like us to call that fucking head dip shit

grand dragon

mythical yeah

and i'm head unicorn

but the grand dragon had an allocation i'm a catty wampus

are you done goblin

I'll think a more mythical beast soon.

Will you? Yeah.

I'm lead fairy godmother, and I'll tell you what.

So, a godmother is now a mythical creature? Hey, motherfucker, you let Grand Dragon slide.

So, the Grand Dragon. I'm James and the Giant Peach.

That would be amazing. Hello, I'm Willy Wonka, but I only like Watts.

Watty Wonka.

Welcome to our racist club. We are fucking losers.

But the Grand Dragon has an alibi, so he was not convicted. The Grand Dragon is an alibi.
It's like a John Grisham book that the publisher was like, you could do better.

Keep plugging away, John. You're tired.
You've written 800 books.

He boasted that Jack and his allies would, quote, never be able to break the power of the KKK in Oklahoma.

Jack, quote, this is only one of hundreds of such crimes committed, which the civil authorities of the state refuse to cooperate.

I asked the people of the civilized world, in the presence of this testimony, if I was not justified in proclaiming martial law in the city of Tulsa. Motherfucker, you hung out with him.

I know, but now he's not. Yeah, I know.
But

it's amazing to just fucking kick a drum of oil over and then be like, who spilt this and how can we fix it?

And we're not leaving here until we find the motherfucker who did this.

Jack then suggested that people take violent action against the Klan. I mean, look, I'm not angry.

quote I don't care if you burst right into them with a double-barreled shotgun I'll promise you I'll promise you a pardon in advance

hard I mean it is good it is good it's truly kill a Klansman get a pardon truly truly make me president

I just come into your office. I'm like, we lost rocket money.

I do think it was that. I do think it was that.
I really, when we, in retrospect.

But here's the thing. Most people think he's overreacting and he's being heavy-handed.

Known Klan members mocked his martial law declarations saying 90% of guard members were Klan anyway. Oh, fuck.
But this is why

you cannot let this shit fester. I mean, this is why when you open the door to this shit,

you can't put it back in forever because now they're in power. Now it's like, now they're like in the driver's seat.

And now it is the thing where you've got to be like, people who do speak up, you end up fucking getting jailed because there's no habeas corpus. Right.
Cool. I don't know.
Are you lecturing me?

Yeah, get out of here.

You brought your liberal values.

So there was a petition calling for a vote to alter the state constitution to allow the legislature to convene an emergency session without the governor's permission.

In order to what? To offer protections against...

So to impeach him. To impeach him over his saying that you could shoot Klansmen? Yeah.

What a wild, wild ride.

The petition got a lot of signatures. Jack had every single one checked for authenticity to delay the process.

A grand jury was held to investigate Governor Walton's actions, and on September 15th, he panicked and ordered martial law across the state.

It's like literally a guy who just found out about citizens' arrest.

You don't serve breakfast past 10.30, martial law.

So he calls it a, quote, Klan conspiracy. Oklahoma City was under.
The absolute conspiracy was right there. Go ahead.

Oklahoma City was under absolute martial law, so the state house couldn't sit.

Right? So

they can't get there. And they have to sit.
And they need his permission to sit also to do the impeachment.

Can we have it? No.

Please, we need it. We're not going to just give it to us.

Please.

Jack says he won't let them sit because 68 members are legislative are Klansmen. Jesus Christ.

So he demands the W.R. Sampson, the Cyclops of

Muscogee KKK, his secretary, the Sheriff, Police Commissioner, plus three members of the County Jury Commission in Tulsa County step down.

So people say he's overreacting, and then he orders the National Guardsmen to set up machine guns at the courthouse.

You want to see overreacting?

Fucking dude.

His last chapter is amazing.

And the Capitol building to prevent the grand jury. We cannot let Trump know about this guy.
No.

Absolutely fucking not.

No.

No.

They call me Cyclops, and

I now have a gun on my head, so...

it's called I'm a Cyber Trump is what I am. And

my final form.

Do you guys have an anti-drag law here that you can't know you guys haven't done that? Because I was saying someone could call the cops on him right now.

Well, well, well, liberal indeed.

I'm not calling the cops on you.

Yeah, defund them. Now I need him.
Hello.

Cook.

So people say he's overreacting, and he orders the National Guard to set up machine guns at the courthouse and Capitol building to prevent the grand jury and legislature from convening.

McBee is not deterred. McBee's not anything.

Quote, on September 20th, McBee and 64 other legislators met on the 11th floor of the Scurvin Hotel in Oklahoma City

and issued a proclamation modeled after the Declaration of Independence.

The writers accused Jack of, quote, repeated injuries, usurpations, and blunders, usurpations,

establishing an absolute tyranny and absolute despotism over this Commonwealth. Are they just trying to outsmart him? He's like,

Yeah, I did.

Or wait.

What's usurpatism?

They argued due to the extreme circumstances, the legislature could convene without a call from the governor and would gather at noon on September 26th. Wow.

So Jack declared that a Klan meeting.

This fucking dude.

He's like Trump with tariffs. Yeah.

He is.

A Klan meeting or martial law.

I look at that as a clan meeting. What are you going to do about it? Pucking martial law.

Boom. It's over.
Game over.

Where's my waffles? They'll be right out, honey. Martial law.
Fuck it. I don't even want them anymore.
Put them in a doggy bag. You're cooked.

He also said

McBee was a known leader of the Duncan clan.

The donut people. Yeah.

Terrible racist, but what a great old-fashioned.

bear claw. He threatened to call on the National Guard to shoot and/or arrest any legislators who turned up.

And he called McBee an enemy of the state and the head of the invisible empire trying to bring down the government for the Klan.

I, Dave, my feelings are so mixed.

I'm so conflicted on him.

He's really

coming in so strong at the end.

I don't know if McBee is a Klan member or if he's just a guy who's like, what the fuck are you doing? I'll be honest, I feel like he's a guy who's like, what the fuck are you doing?

But I don't even care.

He does have a statue. McBee does? Yeah.
Certainly not a Klan member.

McBee does.

Maybe it's a different McBee.

Well, Well, I guess I shouldn't put too much past this country, to be honest with you.

But I'm not sure, yeah. I mean, he could be a Klan member.
I don't know. I don't think.
So McBee says he's willing to face arrest or even get shot to get rid of Jack. Okay.

Done. Deal.
Done. Jack.
You got it. Martial law.
Throw him in water with weights.

I'm marshall law on you.

On September 26th. I'll show you who's going to usurp each other.
You don't even know what that means. Your despotism is what you are.
Do you understand?

On September 26, 68 members of Congress tried to enter the state house, but guards turned them away. So they tried to meet again in the rotunda but were kicked out at gunpoint.

They're part of the clan. Then they went back to their hotel but found it was full of armed guards, some in uniform but many not in uniform.

That's so Russia.

Hello,

please sleep tightly.

Do you want to talk in? Where are the sheets? Some people had to borrow them.

Take care. Sleep well.
There's a wolf in the bathroom.

What was that?

That is...

Don't worry about him. We call him Kyklops.
Kyklopes.

He lives in closet where your iron and iron board are.

Don't go in there either.

I recommend you use a chamber at this spot.

What was that?

That is a drip torture for later, which we won't need. Here, put on TV.
You have over one channel or under. Please, no more questions.

McBee tried to go back to his room with his wife and kid, but, quote, nine men with guns were stationed outside the door. Nine? Nine.
Is so excessive. You're not going in your room, McBee.
Yeah,

no shit.

Like seven of you could have done something different and I would have known that.

He was told he could go into the room but then couldn't come back out.

Well I don't think I'll be going in to be quite honest with you.

Why?

Go in. This is the worst hotel I've ever been in.

So he sends his wife and son downstairs and then told the soldier that he could come and go as he pleased and challenged the guards to arrest him.

I seriously thought you were going to say a wrestling match.

I was like, fucking, let's go. Get your shirt off.

Oh my God, look at Rabea. He's up on the ropes.
No, he isn't.

No respect.

Then he contacted the head of the National Guard and found out these were not actually guardsmen, but random guys from Chicago who Jack had hired to, quote, keep the peace.

What are you doing to me, Dave? What are you.

Yeah, there's no way you're getting inside of that room, I'll tell you that much.

Are you from here? Yeah, of course we are. We're all from, we're all

Oklahoma.

Yeah, we're all from here.

What's the Capitol?

Look, you can go inside the room or you can not go inside the room.

Drop the fucking attitude, Jack. We're about to declare martial law upon you, specifically.

You don't even know what martial law is, do you? Yeah, we do.

Go fuck yourself.

Hey, Don, flick a cigarette at this little dweeb.

Fucking loser.

When the legislators got into the rooms, they found that they had been ransacked and bottles of whiskey were planted in an attempt to frame them.

Because it's prohibition. Yeah.
Yeah. So funny.

They're hammered. You shouldn't adhance so much.

So next, Jack canceled the Oklahoma State Fair.

Yeah, that is correct. Big fucking mistake.

No, you went too far.

You can enable the Klan. You can try to take the Klan out of the state.

You can declare martial law over and over again. But for the love of God,

if you're stopping me from having a novelty-sized turkey leg and a deep-fried Twinkie while getting sick on a tilted world, you can suck the state's dick, Jack.

I've been filling this pig for two two fucking years.

She's gonna be shown.

Your genuine reaction was phenomenal. Everyone was like.

Well, that's right down the middle of winter.

Fucking dare you.

So now a lot of people are calling for his impeachment

and on september 28th the petition was declared legal and two days later all 77 counties had agreed to have it on the ballot and jack said that all the counties and judges were all working for the clan and that the

fucking dude has got a catchphrase

and that the election wouldn't go ahead quote there may be bloodshed but there will be no election.

America.

But county officials held elections anyway, and no blood was spilled. And that night, Jack declared:

The fight of the invisible empire has just started.

I am still governor of Oklahoma. Gentlemen, that is all the statement I have to make.

He lost in a landslide 209,000 to 70,000.

70,000 is a phenomenal turnout for that ending. Yeah.
He must have been like, holy shit, that was close.

What if I declare martial law? Can I win still?

The election made national headlines. Yeah, for sure.

Imagine if it didn't.

McBee called the legislature for October 17th. An angry residence of Muscogee gave Jack a mock funeral with a parade and a 21 cap gun salute.

Well, that was

nuts. Before burying him in effigy in the Muscogee sewers with a headstone

with a headstone that read, he proclaimed himself to death.

I only thought you could burn effigy. I didn't realize you could throw them in the toilet.

Toilet effigies would be a good website. Yeah.

Flushable effigies.

Jack kept insisting it was a clan plot. Bro, let it go.
It's not over. Let it go.
He and his supporters. He's just in his room like, martial law.
Jack, honey, come to bed. He's looking out the window.

Martial law. That's what they'll.

And then they'll come to me and they'll go. Jack, come on.
No, they'll go. No, they'll just come at me and they'll.

Hold on, babe. I'll be right there.

They'll look at me and I'll just go, martial law to you.

And then they will be martial lawed. Jack, I got a new neck.
And when they say martial, hold on. Jack, I got a new necklace, you.
Yeah, I understand. Hold on.
Hello.

I'll be there in a minute. I'll declare martial law.
I will declare martial law on you in a second, but hold on.

Before I do that.

I don't like this fella looking around our garbage. I might go out there and do a little martial law on him.

oh, I'm not feeling good.

Something about that seafood. I think I got martial law.

Jack, my cookies, the clan.

What?

Well, you know me. I'm either in or I'm out.

There's no in-between.

So he and his supporters came up with a plan to offer his resignation in exchange for passing of a strict anti-Klan bill.

The thinking was that he would appear to be sticking to his principles and then he could run for the Senate.

And when he proposed this to Congress, a rep said, quote, who in the hell asked him to resign?

Everyone's over him. They all wanted him gone.
Yeah. They're just like, what? No, we're not making a deal.
Martial law.

Can I do it?

The legislature passed a resolution accusing Jack Walton of, quote, willful neglect of duty, corruption in office, incompetency, and offenses involved moral turpitude.

A committee investigated and filed 22 charges against him, 16 on corruption and 6 on abuse of martial law. Abuse of martial law.
Hold on a minute.

Now look, now look.

I'll admit around the edges I abused my power of touch. But I always respected the martial law button, and you know that.
You ruined martial law. You know that I was always very...

martial law really could have been awesome.

And you shit all over it, Jack.

He just has a guy next to him like, this is Marshall

Law.

He's a man.

Willful neglect of duty. Oh, I already did that.

The state senate convened a court of impeachment on November 1st, and after 11 days, there was a very colorful testimony. There were two fist fights,

and after 11 days, they found him guilty on 11 charges. He was governor for just 10 months.

You know, Dave, at the end of this one, it takes a lot to shock me, but

you've done it again, you bastard. 10 months!

10 months!

Yeah.

What a run!

It was the shortest serving governor in state's history.

What? And nobody did more with martial law in his 10 months.

He was the first to be impeached. He got some anti-Klan legislation passed, but it was pretty weak.
Klan influence waned in the state after.

He somehow won the Democratic primary to run for the Senate in 1924,

but during the campaign said things like, quote, 95% of Protestant ministers in Oklahoma are Klansmen and lower than skunks,

which I'll be serving if I win.

He also accused a resident of being, quote, one of this dirty Klux crowd who would steal the pennies off St. Peter's eyes eyes and ravish the Virgin Mary.
Hey, hey.

Well, I mean, Jack, what's she into? Jack. What?

Let's not

shame. Jack, that last one was a bit uh no, I'm just what are you trying to say? I'm saying shorten it.
Tight, low, you know, we just gotta think, that's fine. We just gotta think

it's short punches, short and sweet.

So try it, try it again. Bang the Virgin Mary.
All right, we're good. We're all set.
Have a good good day. You told me to shorten it.
That's shorter than rabbits. See you later.

Take care. Did I commit a crime? Yes.

Are the priests going to come?

Well, got to take some weird stuff for them, too.

Jack denied he said it and offered to donate $500 to charity of somebody to prove that he'd ought to. Okay, okay.

The Daily Oklahoman collected 100 sworn affidavits from witnesses swearing he said it.

We don't know if he ever paid, though. No, he didn't.
Martial law.

In January 1931, Jack was indicted with 18 others for mail fraud related to the promotion of the defunct business, Universal Oil and Gas. All were acquitted due to insufficient evidence.

He ran for Senate again in 1936, but lost in the primaries. His last public office was serving on the Oklahoma Corporation Commission from 1933 to 1940.

He died in November 25th, 1944, at the age of 68. Fuck.

A fucking hero. What a run.

He died a hero.

Oh, sorry. Did someone take on the Klan?

What a run.

Anyway, fuck. That's Oklahoma's most famous leftist.

What a run.

Wow, what a run. That is fucking crazy.
That's overwhelming.

Sources, Brad Durin, Clanspiracy or Despotism, the Rise and Fall of Congress.

That guy took my thing. Stop it.
Jerk.

Dirk Langville, Jack C. Walden, Walton, general incompetence versus invisible empire and

fascinating politics, the rise and fall of Jack C. Walton.

He was a good one.

At times.

Sometimes he was good.

And when he was bad, he was real bad.

That's fucking crazy.

You can't trust a jazz guy.

They're making it up as they go.

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