684 - Pete Rose - part three

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Speaker 39 Well, here we go. The last episode of the show.

Speaker 39 All time.

Speaker 39 Of all time.

Speaker 39 It's been a good run. I've enjoyed it.
It was great meeting you.

Speaker 39 But look, I'm retiring upstate.

Speaker 39 I'm Montana, I mean, with your mom. And we're just going to get a little cabin there.
Nope.

Speaker 39 Stabbing cabin is what it's called.

Speaker 39 Yuck.

Speaker 39 This is just terrible. Well, you went to a stabbing cabin with my dad.

Speaker 39 I did not. Well, that's not what the police say.
I went to a strangle yurt.

Speaker 39 That's not cool. What? I miss him more than you.
Just so you know. Well, yeah, everybody does miss it more than me.
Yeah, so there you go. I miss my dad the least.

Speaker 39 It's a shame that he had to go. You know what's interesting is when people go, well, you just, I mean, you just need time to feel it.
Like, it's not.

Speaker 39 Spent a lot of time.

Speaker 39 It's not, it's not there yet. People who are okay with

Speaker 39 parents dying. Favorite memory of him?

Speaker 39 Fuck.

Speaker 39 What was his name? Michael. Michael James Anthony.
MJ.

Speaker 39 Oh, sorry, James Michael. He never used James.
He went by Michael, but James Michael.

Speaker 39 Favorite memory.

Speaker 39 Wait, so his initials were

Speaker 39 JM.

Speaker 39 JM.

Speaker 39 JMA. J-M-A.
Yeah.

Speaker 39 Boy, favorite memory is a tough one.

Speaker 39 All right. I thought it would come quicker, but I guess

Speaker 39 not. That's interesting.

Speaker 39 I wonder how fast my...

Speaker 39 Same thing would happen with my sister. She'd be like, well.
When he gave you the quarters?

Speaker 39 He gave them to her.

Speaker 39 Postumous quarters is pretty cool. Yeah, he gave...

Speaker 39 Yeah. That's pretty cool.

Speaker 39 Fuck, dude. I really.

Speaker 39 My favorite was when he and I one time, we went went fishing and he threw the pole and he jumped in and he came out with a fish in his mouth like a bear. That's a movie.

Speaker 39 Oh.

Speaker 39 That's not. It's a great scene.
That didn't happen to you. No.

Speaker 39 Okay. My favorite, my, my, honestly, my favorite moment that I ever had with your dad was

Speaker 39 this one time we were.

Speaker 39 We were on a train and we had an argument and we ended up on the top of the train while it was moving and we just fought each other.

Speaker 39 And then

Speaker 39 as we were going through,

Speaker 39 as it was getting intense,

Speaker 39 he was on top of me and he's going, I'm smarter than you. I'm better than you.
I'm better than you. And I just kind of held his head up and his head got taken off by a light.

Speaker 39 And I said, yeah, well, I'm taller. That's also a movie.
Oh.

Speaker 39 None of your memories of my dad are actual memories. 1985.
Let me do this five more times. Pedros

Speaker 39 has now broken the all-time MLB hit record. Right.
And he wants to capitalize. Sure.
He also needs money because he can't stop gambling. Yeah, because he's in with a gym coke head.

Speaker 39 He met a 19-year-old memorabilia dealer dealer.

Speaker 39 He met a 19-year-old memorabilia dealer named Berto and moved him into the house with Tommy,

Speaker 39 Gia Sa, and it was a sidekick Aaron Boy. So now there's three guys living in the place.

Speaker 39 Well, you know, you're probably inviting too many people into your house when the memorabilia guy is one of them.

Speaker 39 Excuse me, who's that?

Speaker 39 He has relics.

Speaker 39 So Berto takes pictures. He sells autographs.
He makes Pete's bets with two mob connected brothers in New York. I got to say,

Speaker 39 all I knew was that Pete Rose was a gambler. Yeah.
That really doesn't do it justice for

Speaker 39 what is actually happening. Chaos around.
Chaos.

Speaker 39 He's now regularly betting on baseball, the Braves, the Mets, the Phillies, the Yankees, and the team he plays and manages for, the Reds.

Speaker 39 He has relatively good success because it's a sport he knows.

Speaker 39 Wasn't his whole contention that he never bets on his own team? That's correct. So he is betting on his own team.
And baseball. And baseball.

Speaker 39 I didn't. Okay.
So he said he never bet on baseball. Right.
Right. Okay.

Speaker 39 He bets on football and basketball and has him in deep for $250,000 to the New York mob. So he's good at it.
Yeah.

Speaker 39 So this is why sports

Speaker 39 leagues ban gambling for players

Speaker 39 because now the bookies own you.

Speaker 39 And Pete has long said,

Speaker 39 and a book obtained by ESPN's Outside of the Line corroborates that Pete always bet on his team to win. But,

Speaker 39 quote,

Speaker 39 a manager betting on his own team could harm the game, even if he was betting on the team to win.

Speaker 39 He could overuse a pitcher or refuse to test or to rest a starter in pursuit of his own financial gain. And what he wagered or didn't wager could move markets in the underworld.

Speaker 39 The boogies in New York surely noticed when Berto was betting against Pete. So not Pete, but when Berto made his own bet.

Speaker 39 Any bookie would wonder if Berto had inside information. It would make it worthwhile to go against the Reds that night.
The bookies also surely noticed when Pete didn't bet on the Reds.

Speaker 39 He wasn't betting against his team. He was just betting on them.
So until I read this, I've always been like, who cares if you bet on your own team? But that argument,

Speaker 39 my argument is gone. That's exactly what I just went through.
Completely gone. Because that was what he always said.
I always bet on him to win. Yeah.
My own team to win. But now you read that.

Speaker 39 You know that if, especially if you're the manager, you could definitely be fucking early. It's true.
When you don't, then people are like, oh, they're going to lose us.

Speaker 39 So, yeah, because I have always made that argument. And now, like that paragraph, I'm just like,

Speaker 39 yeah, it's fucking crazy. At this point, for me,

Speaker 39 it's just crazy to bet on your own team. I mean,

Speaker 39 the idea that you're going to be like making any decisions

Speaker 39 it's just what a crazy energy you'd be like man coach is intense today i mean he's a when you're an addict we gotta win yeah no he imagine how crazy they're gonna take my big toe imagine how crazy he was if he bet on his team and they were losing imagine how crazy he was in the dugout and the shit you do like because there are games you just you it's a it's a it's a hundred and

Speaker 39 um 82 game season so you're resting players a certain time you're doing certain things so you don't want to wear them out out.

Speaker 39 But if you bet on that game, you're going to throw everything out like it's the game set in the World Series. Yeah.
Because you made a fucking bet. Is he still playing? Pete Rose? Yeah.
No, he's dead.

Speaker 39 No, no. And in this

Speaker 39 just happened. What the fuck?

Speaker 39 Sorry.

Speaker 39 Oh, man. That'd be awesome if he was still playing.
Yeah, he's still playing.

Speaker 39 I think, yeah, he's still playing. Okay.
I think so. Well, I know he's the coach, the manager player, but it's like.
I don't know how much he's playing. He's probably not playing nearly as much.

Speaker 39 um

Speaker 39 so

Speaker 39 at this point

Speaker 39 i mean who who knows why pete cuts tommy out of his life in favor of tomo tommy steroid dealer paul jansen so this kid he's he's just ruined this kid's life he's had this kid around forever he

Speaker 39 the kid's path probably went different he'd probably want i want to be baseball player oh my god i'm not a good baseball player instead he gets pete rose who puts him on a minor league team and then the kid starts doing steroids to like like, whatever.

Speaker 39 I mean, he's around drugs because of Pete, he's around the lifestyle because of Pete. So,

Speaker 39 who knows what the kid's life would have been? Sure. And now he just cuts him out.
Sure. And who knows why? Sure.

Speaker 39 And now it's the steroid dealer that takes Tommy's place. Pete told Tommy it was because he was acting crazy in front of a racetrack owner, but everyone was hooting and hollering and acting the same.

Speaker 39 Yeah. It seems as if Pete was.
It's like a racetrack owner's like, a little decorum, please.

Speaker 39 Okay, we're trying to run a classy establishment here. Now, excuse me while I go kill four horses

Speaker 39 because they didn't run as fast as I thought they would. Give me the bat.
Yeah.

Speaker 39 It seems as if Pete was just tired of him, had used him up. Right.

Speaker 39 There was only one job left for Tommy, picking up a check for $34,000 and splitting it with a bookie and then getting out of town. And the $17,000 were all Tommy had.

Speaker 39 Tommy's an addict. His longe girlfriend was threatening to leave him and he has no friends.

Speaker 39 Now, through Paul, the new dealer,

Speaker 39 Pete finds another, sorry, the new Tommy, old dealer. Sure.
Pete finds another bookie in Staten Island. I mean, imagine how many bookies he's gone through.

Speaker 39 Yeah, well, but again, but I mean, the idea, again, it's just like you're doubling down. Yeah.
Because some bookies are probably like, no. You can go to the new book.
You go to the new book.

Speaker 39 You're going to pay off the old bookie.

Speaker 39 Pete stiffs him, as he does. Sure.
But this guy, he's not down. Right.

Speaker 39 He threatens violence, and he tells Paul it's his problem. He's going to hurt you.
I'm going to hurt you.

Speaker 39 But Pete's like,

Speaker 39 yeah, I'm not.

Speaker 39 Okay, it's you, not me. Yeah.
So Paul has to cobble together 34,000 from savings, friends, and family. Fuck.

Speaker 39 Meanwhile, the police are closing in on Rhode Island mob bookie Joe Cambra. Hey, I don't know.
It seems like

Speaker 39 I guess this new guy, the guy who's wearing the hat, that's a satellite dish. You think he's a little strange? Mine seems a little weird.

Speaker 39 A wiretap records him talking to his boss about Pete wanting to play $6,000 on a football game, but even more damning, when they kick down Camberra's door, the phone is ringing. Oh my God.

Speaker 39 Hello. Hey, this is Pete Rose,

Speaker 39 Future Hall of Famer. Listen, I want to put $15,000 on Granson in the high-light championships.

Speaker 39 One of the investigators picks up and says Camber can't come to the phone, and the voice says, quote, just tell him Pete Rose called. Oh, Pete.
Why don't you use your full fucking name? Pete.

Speaker 39 Have a code name.

Speaker 39 Holy shit. Hey, it's Pete Rose.
Is my bookie there? How are you, Pete Rose, Cincinnati Reds player turn manager? That's so dumb. Did anyone ever call Cheat Rose? Does that ever catch up?

Speaker 39 I don't think so. That was a good one.
Hello, Crime House. Yeah.

Speaker 39 Hello, this is the New York Police Department. Hi, this is Pete Rose.
How are you? Are you guys taking any bets? I'm in deep.

Speaker 39 The FBI had finally figured out what was going on at Gold's gym, and they wanted to take down every person involved in the cocaine and steroid ring. Okay.

Speaker 39 They started with the owner, made a deal with him to set up a supplier who they popped and confiscated millions in cash. So next on their list was Pete's new buddy, Paul Janssen.
Hmm.

Speaker 39 When the FBI knocked on his door, Paul was polite, but were Paul living with him?

Speaker 39 I don't know. I think he might be living with his girlfriend at this point.
Okay, okay.

Speaker 39 Paul was polite, but no, you're thinking of the other guy. Okay, the I don't think Paul ever moved in.
Okay, okay. It was Berto that moved in.
Okay.

Speaker 39 Paul's polite, but very curt because he wants to protect Pete. Sure.

Speaker 39 The FBI suggested that maybe it's time Paul gets a lawyer.

Speaker 39 And Paul and his girlfriend went to Pete's lawyer, Ruben Katz,

Speaker 39 and told him everything.

Speaker 39 And

Speaker 39 he's like, I need a lawyer and I need money to pay for the lawyer. And the money I need is the money that Pete owes me.
So Paul said he bet on baseball and on the Reds

Speaker 39 that

Speaker 39 Pete had.

Speaker 39 And Paul said of the lawyer, quote, he put his head down and made a gesture with his hands and he said, That's it. It's over.

Speaker 39 Sorry.

Speaker 39 That's my lawyer.

Speaker 39 Sorry.

Speaker 39 Are you going to take our case?

Speaker 39 Can you put an ice pick into my brain?

Speaker 39 Okay.

Speaker 39 Just kill me. Well, we really, we think we have a shot.
I'll take your case. Okay, great.
My God, pick up that stool and bash my head in. No, I can't really.

Speaker 39 The best lawyer. In a world of bullshit to hear the lawyer like, we're dead.

Speaker 39 Now, all Paul wants is the money.

Speaker 39 And Pete has a net worth of at at least $3 million and he owes him like $34,000.

Speaker 39 But to Pete. I don't understand.
Explain that to me. Why he doesn't pay him? Yeah.
Because it's the thing where he just, I don't need to.

Speaker 39 He's gotten away with not paying people for so fucking long. I mean, Terry wasn't going to be able to do it.

Speaker 39 But even all of his gambling debts, he's still just trying to kind of pay them off because he doesn't want to take the hit. But this isn't a gambling debt.
It's just...

Speaker 39 money that Paul paid to cover his gambling debt because Paul is going to get hurt. Right.

Speaker 39 And Paul to him is just another friend to use up and cast off, right? So Reuben calls his lawyer, calls Pete, and tells him what Paul said.

Speaker 39 And Pete gives Paul $10,000.

Speaker 39 How's this? This is not enough. There you go.
Is not enough good? Here's a third of what I owe you almost. Here's nowhere near what I owe you.
There you go. Sorry about all that.

Speaker 39 Here's a small part of it. Here's almost nothing.
You have $3 million. Here's a little bit.

Speaker 39 Here's way less than what you need. It's three-quarters less what he owed.
So it's a, that's a slap in the face to Paul. And as soon as he opened the check.

Speaker 39 Does he know about the FBI coming after him? Paul?

Speaker 39 Does Pete know that the FBI? Yeah, because he went and told the lie. Why the fuck would you not give him $34,000 fucking dollars? Shut up right away.
Just be like, bro, shut him up. Yeah.

Speaker 39 This is the one guy you pay off. He's the guy.
Yes.

Speaker 39 Well, it's the same thing with Tommy. You just cut Tommy out.
Tommy could also fuck him up. Yeah, but this is a direct, like, the FBI is contacting me.

Speaker 39 All right, I'll give you a little bit.

Speaker 39 Yeah.

Speaker 39 So

Speaker 39 as soon as Paul opens up the check, he knows exactly what he has to do. He walks downstairs to a payphone and calls the FBI.

Speaker 39 So Paul starts cooperating with the feds, helping them take down the crazy cocheb bookie from Gold's Gym, the cocaine supplier. He did everything he could, except right on Pete.

Speaker 39 God, these people are such stockholmy shit.

Speaker 39 This is why the whole Otani thing makes me go,

Speaker 39 right? Because this has happened many times. Yeah, right.

Speaker 39 When the gym was busted, Pete denied ever going there,

Speaker 39 which was very strange because he let the owner-walk him to the Pete Rose cocaine room

Speaker 39 because he let the owner put out ads with his picture on them saying, I'm Pete Rose, and I only go to Gold's Gym, this one specifically.

Speaker 39 Saying he exercised there, let him make Gold's Gym sweatshirts with his name on them, and even let them call it Pete Rose's Gold's Gym.

Speaker 39 I've never been there.

Speaker 39 Pete Rose's Gold's Jim?

Speaker 39 I've never even been there. I don't even know what Gold's Jim is.
Where's a bunch of merch with your face on it?

Speaker 39 I didn't do cocaine at the juice bar.

Speaker 39 I don't know what you did. I'd never been there before.

Speaker 39 Oh, it's fucking great.

Speaker 39 So

Speaker 39 a year has gone by

Speaker 39 since Paul talked to the lawyer, right? Katz.

Speaker 39 And Paul wrote him a letter now, quote, I have a feeling that you and Mr.

Speaker 39 Rose discussed our meeting and concluded that a non-committal stance by yourself might discourage me and I'd dry up and blow away. Well, I don't intend to.

Speaker 39 He went on to say Pete was too ignorant to recognize the damage that Paul could do if he went public with these claims and then got to the point.

Speaker 39 Quote, I'm prepared and anxious to prove this in court if necessary. I wasn't put on earth to be Pete Rose's doormat.

Speaker 39 It is time for him to take responsibility for his actions and if need be, get some professional help along the way before he has nothing left. Wow.
So that's a threat. Yeah.

Speaker 39 That's a genuine. I like the idea of saying he needs help, too.
Yeah.

Speaker 39 But it's too late. Rumors are swirling.
Sure. The rumors are that someone named The Skin Man has recordings where Pete admitted to gambling.
Jesus, the fucking skin man.

Speaker 39 I knew I shouldn't have trusted the guy dead skin man. I mean, he sounds like such a comforting good name, the skin man.

Speaker 39 It's like when I, my old buddy, the kidney guy.

Speaker 39 I told the skin man everything, Pete.

Speaker 39 I really let him know everything. I mean when you hear a guy named the skin man and you're like, just let it out.

Speaker 39 I mean, really, I'm just picturing a naked guy full of folds. How are you, Pete? Hey, skin man.

Speaker 39 It's just he takes like a hit. It just like takes a hit of something and the skin man appears.
Hello, Peter. Hello.
It's the skin man.

Speaker 39 The IRS agents were circling to nab Pete for lying about gambling wins and his taxes.

Speaker 39 Even though the FBI ultimately chose not to press charges because they, quote, didn't want another John DeLorean situation. Oh, my God.

Speaker 39 What if the fuck? We all want a John DeLorean situation. Keep giving us John DeLorean.
How do we get Dallas? If it ain't broke.

Speaker 39 Crikey.

Speaker 39 They did hand the investigation over to the one place Pete did not want it to go.

Speaker 39 Major League Baseball. Oh, fuck.

Speaker 39 You don't fuck with the baseball guys.

Speaker 39 So, tired of waiting for Pete's lawyer. It's crazy that the FBI turns an investigation over to MLB.

Speaker 39 I think it means that,

Speaker 39 so

Speaker 39 for a federal prosecutor to go after you, they usually have

Speaker 39 like their success rate is crazy on prosecutions. That's why.

Speaker 39 That's why I think Elon Musk was going down because the DOJ. All right, let's not make this political.

Speaker 39 We don't see eye to eye on Elon.

Speaker 39 Been able to do a podcast despite that.

Speaker 39 So they probably

Speaker 39 were a little worried about witnesses, or, you know, it's probably all sort of nebulous.

Speaker 39 You could tie them together. Like, maybe you could do it in like a city court or whatever, but feds really want to lock it down before they go after you.
Right. So they probably didn't have it.

Speaker 39 Probably easier for MLB, too, because they're like. Yeah, MLB can, it's a private corporation, so they can just do what they want.
Right.

Speaker 39 So Paul's tired of waiting for Pete's lawyer to get back to him. So he calls Sports Illustrated.
Nice, smart.

Speaker 39 There have been rumors about Pete's gambling problems for years, but nobody in the press had anything concrete. Okay.

Speaker 39 Now Real Witness who was involved just waltzes up to Sports Illustrated writer Robert Sullivan with this story.

Speaker 39 After a few conversations, Sullivan is convinced Paul's telling the truth, and the magazine assigns several writers to fan out across Cincinnati in what is going to become one of the most explosive stories in the history of sports.

Speaker 39 Oh, my God.

Speaker 39 They had to move fast, though, because

Speaker 39 of other outlets heard about it. You know, they'd get in there quicker and maybe do a shittier job.

Speaker 39 But the problem was, there was a mole inside of Sports Illustrated's newsroom, and he tipped off MLB about

Speaker 39 the same thing happened with uh David Stern in basketball with the Donaghy shit. Oh, yeah.
There was like a they rushed to get out their own investigative findings before

Speaker 39 I can't remember whatever the FBI did. Yeah.
And then it was sort of, it became a little like it became harder for to win that narrative anyway. Right, right.

Speaker 39 So Pete is at spring training, and he gets word while he was running wind sprints and making fun of his his players for getting fat during the offseason.

Speaker 39 You are a psychopath. You are out of your fucking tits if all this is going on and you still feel comfortable doing wind sprints, busting chops.
It is so funny. You would not see me.

Speaker 39 They'd be like, where is Garrett? They'd be like, oh, do you see that like pile of cigarette butts with hair poking out of it? That's him.

Speaker 39 He gets word that the commissioner wants to see him in New York tomorrow.

Speaker 39 So if they, if the commissioner, if you're in spring training and they're like, Commissioner needs to see you tomorrow, you're fucked. You're fucked up.
No, I have a depth of Pete Rose.

Speaker 39 Pete Rose would be like, It's got to be good news. I'm going to win an award.
I think he's got a teenage daughter he wants me to pork. They're going to declare me Mr.

Speaker 39 Baseball and let me fuck their kids. I think I got a good feeling about this, everybody.

Speaker 39 He's putting out a bib for no reason. So, the next morning, Pete is sitting across the table from three men, Faye Vincent, who

Speaker 39 looks like a thumb made out of marshmallows.

Speaker 39 Dave, I hate to do it, but

Speaker 39 it's a very

Speaker 39 specific thing you've said. Faye Vincent.

Speaker 39 Faye Vincent.

Speaker 39 And then there is

Speaker 39 Soon.

Speaker 39 Am I right?

Speaker 39 Josh right? Josh wrote that.

Speaker 39 He really. He does, right?

Speaker 39 Yeah.

Speaker 39 He's not. It's not.

Speaker 39 I don't want to be too rude. It's not great.
I don't want to be too rude.

Speaker 39 I don't want to say this, but it looks like if

Speaker 39 Sloth from the Goonies got a makeover.

Speaker 39 I mean. Yeah.

Speaker 39 And then, yeah, no,

Speaker 39 it's like, hey, part of you is melting.

Speaker 39 So

Speaker 39 the next guy at the table is the soon-to-be baseball commissioner Bart Giamatti, who was an odd guy for his time and a man who would never be chosen to be a commissioner of pro sports today. Okay.

Speaker 39 Now they're all finance guys or union-busting lawyers working inside, whatever.

Speaker 39 Bart Giamatti had a doctorate in comparative literature and was an expert in Renaissance epic poetry. Whoa.
But he was a union-busting ass when he was was a president of Yale.

Speaker 39 But he's an intellectual. Italian-American.
He was greeted as Yale's first ethnic president. He's Italian.
The first ever to not come from the wonderful Anglo-Saxon stock.

Speaker 39 His portrait was hung in local Italian bars. Okay, sure.

Speaker 39 He worked at Yale for three decades before joining MLB as the president of the National League, and then

Speaker 39 Oldemann became commissioner. And then the third guy, he's also Paul Giamatti's dad.

Speaker 39 The third guy was Commissioner Peter Uberoth

Speaker 39 from the Dollop L.A., LA 1984 Olympics episode. He increased revenue for the league.
He ran the 1984 Olympics. Yeah, right.
A business guy for

Speaker 39 Kill the Eagle.

Speaker 39 Right, yeah.

Speaker 39 Increased revenue for the league to a degree never before seen.

Speaker 39 He facilitated collusion between the owners to violate the league's collective bargaining agreement, which means helping owners work together to steal money from the players, which led to over $280 million

Speaker 39 in fines.

Speaker 39 But he did one thing that is relevant to Pete Rose. He reinstated two baseball legends, Willie Mays and Mickey Mantle, who had been banned.

Speaker 39 by the prior commissioner because of their

Speaker 39 association with casinos. Oh, wow.
Which I did not know. I didn't either.
So he let them both come back in. Yeah.
How old?

Speaker 39 Like.

Speaker 39 They must have been retired when that happened. Oh, okay.
I get it now. I think.
Right. That'd be amazing.
Or it must have been retired when he let them back in. I mean, right.
That's what.

Speaker 39 Yeah, right.

Speaker 39 Commissioner Uboth.

Speaker 39 I've been waiting for this call for a long time. No, no, it's just performative.

Speaker 39 All right.

Speaker 39 Commissioner Ubroth wanted this whole mess to go away. All he needed was for Pete to just sit there, admit he had done something wrong, get treatment, and not do it again.

Speaker 39 Then he'd avoid being banned for life.

Speaker 39 Instead, Pete sat there and told them he had never betted on baseball. Jesus Christ.

Speaker 39 Sure, maybe put some money down on football and basketball, but never baseball.

Speaker 39 Uber off didn't want this hanging over his head at the end of his tenure,

Speaker 39 but he had no choice. So he set up an investigation led by a really big lawyer, John Dowd.

Speaker 39 Dowd is an interesting choice. He was an attorney who took down mafia guys,

Speaker 39 but he also protected scumbags like an Air Force colonel who secretly gave weapons to the murderous rapists in the

Speaker 39 Nicaragua Contras.

Speaker 39 To be fair,

Speaker 39 if it's war-based, it is.

Speaker 39 It's not good. No, that's okay.
No, it's not, actually. Yeah, it is.
I mean, nuns. Huh?

Speaker 39 He spilled everything to Dowd, sparing absolutely no detail.

Speaker 39 So Pete's old little buddy, Tommy Giosa, is a very emotional guy. He's also a steroid guy.
Yeah, he's now 700 pounds and crying.

Speaker 39 He's the Hulk.

Speaker 39 He's an emotional Hulk.

Speaker 39 I'm all back acne. Yeah.

Speaker 39 He loved Pete for taking him out of obscurity and introducing him to the whole million. It's been very difficult to be cut out of Pete's life.

Speaker 39 He got a shot at playing pro baseball. He loves Pete for this stuff.
Sure. Also, booze, women, drugs, like the whole thing.
But now he's living in his parents' home with his girlfriend.

Speaker 39 Let me just, the unsung heroes of this episode are his parents who let an emotional Coke giant come live in their house again.

Speaker 39 Mom, where's the milk?

Speaker 39 Just moving in your parents' house with your girlfriend girlfriend has got to be such a power. But to be 400 pounds of Roy.
Yeah.

Speaker 39 Like, maybe you don't really need to be that big anymore, honey.

Speaker 39 I gotta lift the house.

Speaker 39 Yeah, I'm gonna try to grab a plane out of the sky.

Speaker 39 So the FBI comes to the door. John Dowd calls, and Tommy's just not gonna rat on Pete.
Sure.

Speaker 39 That's sad, too. But he also knows Pete would never.
You should tell on him. He's my best friend.
He's my best. But would Pete do that for you? No.
No, well, maybe. I don't know.

Speaker 39 He won't answer my call. He knows Pete would never do that for him.
People rat him out in a heartbeat. Tommy's prized for standing by his friend, two years in prison.
Wow.

Speaker 39 Finally, it comes time for Pete to sit down with Dowd. Go one-on-one with the guy who's running the investigation.

Speaker 39 Who's going to basically decide his fucking legacy? Right.

Speaker 39 Dowd

Speaker 39 has a seven-hour deposition

Speaker 39 where Pete. How How long until Pete just runs through him?

Speaker 39 Where Pete refuses to acknowledge anything about betting on baseball.

Speaker 39 He said he was only guilty of, quote,

Speaker 39 being a horseshit selector of friends.

Speaker 39 He's well, by the way, he was supposed to be able to pick a pony, but

Speaker 39 the hubris

Speaker 39 is off the charts, obviously. And you understand where it's motivated from, but that's still amazing to think that you could get away with that shit.
It's insane. What are you, a president?

Speaker 39 What do you run a car company?

Speaker 39 Yeah.

Speaker 39 Dowd could tell he was lying. He said if Pete's lawyer was any good, he'd wring Pete's neck until he realized his best option was to cut a deal.
And there are many deals there offering.

Speaker 39 No fewer than four deals are on the table. How about the investigation goes away if the Reds win tonight?

Speaker 39 Peter, come on. Trust me, I know how to get these guys working if I need to.
Okay, two deals on the next game. Okay.
How about we do a parlay, all baseball-based?

Speaker 39 If I win, I'm the commissioner of baseball. If I win, I never gambled on this sport.

Speaker 39 Yeah, so.

Speaker 39 Uberoth has now stepped out. He's been replaced by Giamani.
All Pete needs to do is admit his wrongdoing, work on being a better person, and he's not going to be banned for life.

Speaker 39 That's what I'm saying. I mean, they're giving him

Speaker 39 the biggest, but it's the biggest get out of jail car. Oh, my God.
It's crazy. Especially knowing how it plays.
I mean, it's just like, bro,

Speaker 39 he can't lose. He cannot lose.
He cannot lose. That's right.
Yeah.

Speaker 39 Not only did Pete refuse, he went to war instead. Pete found a local judge who was up for re-election

Speaker 39 and got him a ton of positive press by having him place a restraining order on pete's case

Speaker 39 blocking the commissioner from ruling on it wow

Speaker 39 that's so crazy uh

Speaker 39 that to me like

Speaker 39 it doesn't even sound possible it's yeah it's really just like i'm putting a restraining order on this this case can't come within 300 yards of pete rose

Speaker 39 so giamati is livid uh which we've seen on screen many times. It's a dynamic performance.
If you want to imagine what it looked like, picture Paul Giamatti going nuts. Oh, hey.
There you go.

Speaker 39 Hey, Joshi. Yeah.

Speaker 39 Miraculously, Pete's ploy worked. Crazy.
For about 24 hours. Oh, yeah.
Okay.

Speaker 39 The commissioner couldn't rule on the report, but a lawsuit by the Cleveland plane dealer forced the MLB to release it. I'm sure MLB was like, yeah.
Yeah, we're ready. I'm sure they weren't.

Speaker 39 They were on there like, oh, you know what, we're going to drop all of our resistance to that.

Speaker 39 3,000 pages on Pete Rose's just being a scumbag.

Speaker 39 Anyone can look at it now.

Speaker 39 Starting the

Speaker 39 night of Monday, August 21st, 1989, five things happened in order. Pete and the Reds defeated the Chicago Cubs six to five.
Okay. Got to win.
Sure.

Speaker 39 Pete's wife, Carol, gave birth to the fourth child Pete cared about, but fifth one overall. Jesus Christ.
Pete signed an agreement that he would be banished from baseball forever. Holy shit.

Speaker 39 Pete spent two hours in Minneapolis with a nice man named Alan selling memorabilia on a home shopping channel. Oh my God.

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Speaker 39 He signs a lifetime ban deal. Yeah.
And that's for what? No criminal prosecution or what? It's got to be. I don't know how they, I don't know why he signed the deal.
It's, it's got to be.

Speaker 39 Once that report, it's a 3,000-page report that just

Speaker 39 damns you completely. You're done.
But it also just shows you, like, why the fuck would you not take one of those earlier deals?

Speaker 39 Reporters met him in the shopping network. Well, that's right.
Now I remember why. Reporters met him in the shopping network studio parking lot, and they knew.
Everyone knows at that point.

Speaker 39 MLB had called a press conference for the the morning. Pete then had to

Speaker 39 call his own press conference.

Speaker 39 He fought to include language in the agreement that ensured it wasn't a denial or admission of guilt. So he thinks that's how he his

Speaker 39 legacy save. He's threaded the line, right? He's got this, what a genius idea.
He thought, he thinks it's going to protect him, that he would ride the line.

Speaker 39 So he's shocked when the commissioner goes on TV and said he believed Pete bet on baseball and more specifically the Reds.

Speaker 39 And Pete's like, how could he do that when he signed language saying that that wouldn't happen? But he had it totally fucking wrong. He thought that he and the MLB were committing to some sort of

Speaker 39 opinion-based

Speaker 39 NDA type thing. But that's not a thing.
Right.

Speaker 39 Well, you want to make sure of that before you are like, all right, good, that'll never get out.

Speaker 39 There you go.

Speaker 39 The commission was allowed to say whatever he thought. Pete's only move was to deny that he bid on baseball while also having sign on to a permanent ban.

Speaker 39 I cannot believe thinking that that is how an investigation works. It's so dumb.
It's so fucking dumb. Like, I would even up to this point, there is footage of so many investigations.

Speaker 39 But it's not even so much an investigation.

Speaker 39 It's the court of public opinion that

Speaker 39 he wants to like but even then the idea that a prosecutor or someone investigating you can't say what they think no it's insane like that's all they do yeah

Speaker 39 yeah

Speaker 39 okay so dumb um

Speaker 39 so

Speaker 39 so

Speaker 39 he's

Speaker 39 he's gonna deny that he bet on baseball but he signed the permanent ban

Speaker 39 you would only in the public's eye you would only do that if you bet on baseball and didn't want any more information to come out that's extremely i thought of without question why would you sign if you didn't do it you'd fight it you'd be like that so pete didn't just look wrong now he looks stupid yeah right nobody thought pete would actually be banned for life though they're like well they'll come around everyone assumed he would repent apologize and become a better man the only punishment that fit the crime for giamatt was to put on on baseball's banned list uh-huh And Giamatti made his ruling and then just a few days later died of a heart attack.

Speaker 39 Whoa. He was only 51.
What the fuck? That's weird. Giamatti, quote, baseball will break your heart.

Speaker 39 Everyone blamed Pete for Bart's death. Good.

Speaker 39 Especially new commissioner and human marshmallow thumb, Faye Vincent. Sure, absolutely.
I mean, everyone but Pete.

Speaker 39 Quote, nobody ever said anything about how he smoked five packs of cigarettes a day and was 65 pounds overweight.

Speaker 39 I don't think it had anything to do with me, but hey, he's the one who started the investigation.

Speaker 39 You gotta, dude. By the way, by the way,

Speaker 39 you're so right to be like five packs of cigarettes a day. However, funny, read the fucking room.
The guy just died. What are you doing? I didn't kill him.
He's fat. He smokes.
He's a fat cancer boy.

Speaker 39 Yeah. No, this is such a great example of why all these athletes have PR now.
Yeah.

Speaker 39 And it is like, I mean, that is what you think about is like the level of sanitization that these athletes now go through. Yeah.
Oh, yeah. They are social media, all that.
They're unable to.

Speaker 39 So much of it is about, like, that's what made the Harrison Butker shit where he was like giving that commencement address where he's like, women, stay in the kitchen.

Speaker 39 That's what makes your marriage strong. Don't be stupid.
It was like so rare because you're like, holy shit. Yeah.

Speaker 39 But the amount of stuff that keeps coming out from like the Chiefs where you're like, guys. Yeah, enough.
Wow. Yeah.
How's it going back in the 1300s? I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 39 I figured like, we'd throw her in the water and see if she sank.

Speaker 39 So now the IRS hits Pete on tax evasion. Another hit.

Speaker 39 And he pleads guilty to two counts of filing false tax returns and was sentenced to five months in a white-collar prison camp where he worked at the welding shop with another superstar criminal, John Gotti.

Speaker 39 Oh, man. The facility had one TV.
So Pete and the other inmates gathering.

Speaker 39 That's an HBO limited series. Yeah.
Rose and Gotti. Yeah.

Speaker 39 Pete kicked off. So they'd sit out and watch the Cincinnati Reds a year after he was kicked off the team win the World Series.
Oh, that had hurt.

Speaker 39 That had hurt.

Speaker 39 The hardest part was not to call you the bookie from the joint. He was like, oh, God.

Speaker 39 Just crap. I want so much money.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 39 When Pete was let out of prison, he still had to complete 1,000 hours of community service, and he teached PE to underprivileged kids. So the best thing to do, kids, is bet.

Speaker 39 Dodgeball is fun, but do you know how fun it is to bet on your team winning or kicking the shit out of another team? Mr. Rose, hold on.
Hold on now.

Speaker 39 On one of his first days, he called up his...

Speaker 39 He called up his son to grab a Bic Mac at a nearby mall for his lunch break. I bet you I can meet you in 15 minutes.
At the McDonald's,

Speaker 39 he kept looking over his son's shoulder asking, quote, what's back there?

Speaker 39 Pete shook his head. Pete Jr.

Speaker 39 shook his head. No, what's back there?

Speaker 39 What is it? Pete Jr., quote, dad, come on, you know what's back there.

Speaker 39 Batting cages.

Speaker 39 Pete walked past the 55, 65, 75 pages to the cages to the 85 mile per hour fastball cage.

Speaker 39 And a crowd formed because Pete fucking Rose was going to do batting practice at the mall.

Speaker 39 He turns on the machine, and the first pitch shot up like a cannon, and Pete smacked the shit out of it, hitting a laser. And then Pete turned to the crowd,

Speaker 39 Something's never fucking changed.

Speaker 39 And then he exited the cage and finished his Big Mac.

Speaker 39 You know,

Speaker 39 I'd call it pathetic.

Speaker 39 Just having your son along on that fucking, you knew what you were going to do. You wanted your son to see it.
Like, it's just all so pathetic. Yeah.
It's so fucking pathetic. Performative.

Speaker 39 Yeah.

Speaker 39 Pete being banned from baseball didn't mean he couldn't make the hall of fame.

Speaker 39 Separate institutions. The hall didn't usually discriminate based on inductees' personal lives.
As Pete loves to point out, the hall is full of drug abusers, cheaters, and wife beaters.

Speaker 39 So Pete should just waltz on it. First ballot, he should get put in.
It's so cool that he's right. He is right.
And that

Speaker 39 it's just

Speaker 39 validating to just be like, yeah, it's full of a bunch of pieces of shit. What's one more? Yeah.
Good point, Pete.

Speaker 39 But there should be. There should be, the Hall of Fame should have a room.
Yeah. For dickheads, Barry Bonds and Pete Rhodes and all these guys.

Speaker 39 Who are fucking assholes. Yeah, why not? Why not have that? This is a room of what it's like when you're a fucking asshole, but graded baseball.

Speaker 39 Because otherwise, you're just acting like that doesn't exist and it does exist.

Speaker 39 Yeah, and I think it is so, like, there is the argument, like, there were no rules against, like, this was an undefined. It's like, look, there were guys who knew about the existence of these PEDs.

Speaker 39 and didn't take them because they're like, yeah, it's fucking shitty. And then Barry Bonds, his head was a blimp.
But the thing about that is baseball encouraged them to take steroids. Yeah, right.

Speaker 39 So what are you going to do about that one? Barry Bond shouldn't, shouldn't, Barry Bonds'

Speaker 39 problem wasn't that he did steroids. Barry Bonds was a fucking asshole.
And that's his biggest problem. He was a fucking piece of shit

Speaker 39 to other human beings. But you can't, in sports, you're not going to be able to not let someone in because of their personality.

Speaker 39 You know what I mean? Otherwise, you'd be like, there's just three people in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 39 But he's

Speaker 39 rarefied. He's a rarefied.
I don't know enough. I'll tell you a story.
There was a guy in Pittsburgh, and he worked in the media room. And a guy,

Speaker 39 some worker at the Pittsburgh Stadium died. And the guy was like, we need to raise money for his family.
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Speaker 39 We're going to auction it off for this guy's family. And when he went to Barry Bonds, he told him so-and-so died and we're doing this.
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Speaker 39 And that guy who was said to be the nicest human being in the world and never said a bad word about anybody, for the rest of his life, anytime someone bought up Barry Bonds, he said, I hope Barry Bonds dies.

Speaker 39 That's how Barry Bonds affected people. He is a bad, bad person.

Speaker 39 Wow. And there's so many stories like that.
I would hear them in San Francisco, like how much of a piece of shit he was.

Speaker 39 He was a terrible human being. Anyway.

Speaker 39 Nice head, though. Yeah, great head.
Thick.

Speaker 39 Very,

Speaker 39 so he should get it on the first ballot, right? So you vote if you're going to get in the Hall of Fame, people vote, writers vote.

Speaker 39 And then usually there's, I think there's five ballots, and then you're not, or something like that. There's a, there's a number of times they can vote on you over the years.

Speaker 39 And then you're, then you're no longer eligible, except there's another, this one other option they can do. But so they vote.

Speaker 39 And first ballot, if you're really good, they make sure it's the first ballot. Right.
Ricky Anderson, your first ballot, like guys like that. Pete should be based on what he did.
Sure.

Speaker 39 He's the hits leader. Yes.

Speaker 39 But everything changed the year before Pete was eligible when they added a rule banning anyone on MLB's ineligible list from being inducted into the Hall of Fame. Clearly about Pete Rose.

Speaker 39 I was going to say, I mean, obviously directed to him. And reporters are now pissed.
They're supposed to have the keys to the Hall of Fame. Oh, you little one.
Yeah, they're such a

Speaker 39 those people are so like, excuse me. You're a fucking right fuck off.
It shouldn't be done by reporters anyway. No, I agree.
Even the ones who would have voted against Pete were pissed.

Speaker 39 But

Speaker 39 Chinless Toadman Faye Vincent believed it was Bart Giamanti's dying wish to keep Pete away from baseball forever. And he did everything he could to make sure it came true.

Speaker 39 Also, did I mention Pete is still gambling? Oh, fuck me.

Speaker 39 Well, the truth is, I mean, I'm shocked, but the truth is, it's like, in an addict's brain, it's like, well, now I can really go. Yeah, I'm not, why stop now? Yeah.

Speaker 39 He needs money. He took gigs on sitcoms like Arless and Veronica's Closet.
He played asshole Ty Cobb.

Speaker 39 He played asshole Ty Cobb in a movie about Babe Ruth. He became a recurring character on WWE.

Speaker 39 He dressing up like the San Diego chicken, receiving a chokeslam, a tombstone pile driver, and enduring a 300-pound Samoa and rubbing his ass in his face for a very long time. Whoa.

Speaker 39 WWE Hall of Fame voters were less uptight and enshrined Pete in 2004. They didn't know he was betting on it, though.

Speaker 39 2004 was also when Pete, after 15 years, finally admitted to betting on baseball. Okay.

Speaker 39 By putting it in a tell-all book.

Speaker 39 If Pete was going to come clean, he was going to make money doing it. Yes.

Speaker 39 Debuted on the New York Times bestseller list over the years, the Veterans Committee of Hall of Fame, which was led by his friend and ex-teammate Joe Morgan, tried to get Pete into the hall.

Speaker 39 So they're trying really hard. I remember.
I mean, I remember that being like... It was a big thing.
Yeah, it was huge. Yeah.

Speaker 39 But every single time, Pete did something to fuck it up. Pete got a job on the Fox telecast of the World Series and managed to actually be likable enough to keep the the gig.

Speaker 39 Until Pete heard a radio interview with the man whose investigation got Pete booted from baseball.

Speaker 39 John O'Dowd mentioned something that had been kept out of the report.

Speaker 39 He told the radio host that in his deposition with Pete's 19-year-old memorabilia dealer, quote, he told us, you know,

Speaker 39 he not only ran bets, but ran young girls down at spring training, ages 12 to 14. Holy fuck isn't that lovely so that's statutory rape every time you do that

Speaker 39 holy fuck so this guy dowd clearly hates

Speaker 39 and he sees

Speaker 39 that the tide is turning a little bit people are starting to like peter gent people are like yeah right he's not the bad of a guy he's got all these players coming out for him and then he hits and he's just sitting there waiting for it and he goes when you're ready i got this fucking thing and then as soon as he, just at the right time, he drops a fucking bomb.

Speaker 39 And that's your statutory rapist. You know, it's just whenever you talk about a grown man

Speaker 39 sleeping with a 12-year-old, it really does, I think, publicly, it affects the optics. It's so fucking gross.
That is fucking, it's really fucked up. Like, oh, fuck me.

Speaker 39 You just start to get the age at some, I mean, it's like not, obviously not right, but 12 is. So disgusting.
12 is fucking ludicrous. Oh, Jesus Christ.

Speaker 39 Instead of letting it go, keeping his lucrative job and becoming an liked figure in sports. So this was on an obscure radio show.
He could have just ignored him. Try Sand affected.

Speaker 39 Pete sued him for defamation. Oh, fuck me.
Now you're suing a fucking lawyer, an investigator. He's a prosecutor.
So, of course, he has evidence.

Speaker 39 He had sworn testimony from a woman who claimed Pete slept with her when she was underage.

Speaker 39 What would have just been a little anecdote on the radio is now front page news on every sports site. Pete was fired from Fox.

Speaker 39 The Phillies scrap plans to honor him, and he's back out.

Speaker 39 It's that athlete mindset. Yeah, it is.
Where they kind of are just like, I don't lose. Yeah.
It's like, sometimes you're beat. And not only is it, I don't lose, but they are raised to get away with.

Speaker 39 every

Speaker 39 infallibility. And never forget, like, Luis Suarez was a very good soccer player,

Speaker 39 but he, like, bit people. Dude, he was like a known biter.
And the only way you get like that is if you just are allowed to get away with everything.

Speaker 39 And then you're allowed to get away with it until one day you can. And then you can't.
Yeah.

Speaker 39 Still, Pete's old teammates and friends kept trying to get him. And by we say biting people, he would bite defenders on the field.
Oh, dude, he was like... Fully biting people.

Speaker 39 It didn't help that he looked like Batboy from the weekly World News, but he was fully biting people.

Speaker 39 It was like, people were like, he's biting people cameras got better eventually people like holy shit he just bit the fuck out of that guy imagine how many times he bit people before you dude so many times when people are like god damn it and people are like what are you doing he's like

Speaker 39 just bit my nips like guys come on

Speaker 39 still pete's old teammate and friends kept trying to get him back in baseball's good graces that's also so funny isn't it crazy isn't it crazy yeah but that just but that just goes to show like how much that behavior was acceptable.

Speaker 39 Because remember the famous Chris Collinsworth thing is he's like a rookie and he's being interviewed oh yeah and he's like in some fucking it's like he's being interviewed in a bar and he's like you know he likes him underage

Speaker 39 because it was common yes

Speaker 39 well you know we really had uh we we had a like it's been framed as cancel culture but it was just like accountability time it's accountability there was like accountability time yeah and there they're the we really

Speaker 39 of all the terrible things that have happened in recent memory it's that if you like the person, you want them to get away with it. And if you don't, then

Speaker 39 you're okay with someone being held accountable. And that's on both sides.
Yeah, both sides.

Speaker 39 You have to have just

Speaker 39 this line where you just go, look,

Speaker 39 we don't accept shitbags.

Speaker 39 But instead, it just gets pushed as,

Speaker 39 yep, you just go, I mean, the amount of times where you're just like,

Speaker 39 Donald Trump raped way more people than Bill Clinton. And you're like,

Speaker 39 how about this? Let's just do this. If you rape, you're out.
Yeah, you're out. You're done.
That was the thing about when Hillary was running against Trump.

Speaker 39 Either way, you would have a rapist in the White House. It was either Trump, the rapist, or the first man, the rapist.

Speaker 39 Well, because Trump, I mean, Trump is, look, Trump is like, Trump is going to fucking hit in the balls.

Speaker 39 When Trump brought all those women to a press conference who Bill Clinton had sexually harassed or assaulted or whatever, I mean, that was fucking effective.

Speaker 39 It was effective because there were skeletons in that closet.

Speaker 39 Yeah, of course it's effective. Yes.

Speaker 39 And then you just have it now with like,

Speaker 39 I mean,

Speaker 39 comedy is funny politics. It's just like same shit.

Speaker 39 Sorry, some of you are getting fucking, some of you are getting hit and then others you're going to be allowed to keep going. Yeah.
It's just how it is. And that's okay.
We sit. We just live in it.

Speaker 39 Still, Pete's old teammates and friends kept trying to get him back in baseball's good graces.

Speaker 39 And in 2022, he was allowed to participate in a celebratory reunion of the 1980 Philadelphia Phillies championship team. There, a young female reporter brought up these statutory rape charges to him.

Speaker 39 His response, quote, that was 55 years ago, babe.

Speaker 39 I just,

Speaker 39 I just,

Speaker 39 I look,

Speaker 39 can you not? Yeah. And you, no, you can't because it's within you, it's in you.
It's in, yeah, it's in your, yeah, it's impossible if you're not. It's chemically made up like this.

Speaker 39 When the AP followed up, he quipped, quote, who cares what happened 50 years ago? You weren't even born. I know who did.
So you shouldn't be talking about it because you weren't born.

Speaker 39 Gareth, you're not going to believe this. This wasn't received well.
By whom? I mean, we're talking about middle of the Me Too movement, right? 2022. Yeah, but still, I mean, he's so charming.

Speaker 39 He could hit a ball. Any growing momentum to get Pete in the Hall of Fame was over.

Speaker 39 So Pete did what any person who needs money does. I'll bet you $100,000 I don't get into the Hall of Fame.
He moved to Las Vegas. Oh, fuck.

Speaker 39 There he signed

Speaker 39 memorabilia for a living.

Speaker 39 Anything people brought for five hours a day for 15 days a month. He's OJing.
Yeah.

Speaker 39 Pete did this until he died. He signed balls with his name.

Speaker 39 The hit king,

Speaker 39 404,192,

Speaker 39 but also

Speaker 39 I didn't do steroids.

Speaker 39 What?

Speaker 39 He's saying,

Speaker 39 I'm not as bad as those guys. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 39 Well,

Speaker 39 that lane is left open, but it's an angle.

Speaker 39 I was the first man on the moon, and I'm sorry I shot JFK.

Speaker 39 Oh, so he's being what he's like, just like, oh, I'm the victim of all these crimes that I did. Oh, did I really do anything bad? Yeah, dude.
Statue Ray, but turns out it's really fucking horrifying.

Speaker 39 Yeah, but to be fair, that was 55 years ago

Speaker 39 one of his bestsellers sorry i bet on baseball which you can buy on ebay right now for about 350 dollars wow

Speaker 39 pete rose represents the true heart of america oversell what little talent you have lie as much as you possibly can and if you ever get in trouble monetize it

Speaker 39 uh he died last year yeah

Speaker 39 who cares

Speaker 39 he had a daughter on melrose place oh really i looked her up and then she vanishes. I looked her up to see her career.

Speaker 39 She's an actress, actress, and then she's just gone in like around 2004 or something. I think when

Speaker 39 I feel like she didn't want to be in the public at some point,

Speaker 39 sources: Charlie Hustle, the rise and fall of Pete Rose, and the last glory days of baseball by Keith O'Brien.

Speaker 39 Charlie Hustle and the Matter of Pete Rose by Mark Monroe, The Hit King, Pete Rose in Purgatory by Scott Rabb, Baseballrevence.com, and research by Josh and Josh.

Speaker 39 You know what I always remember remember is

Speaker 39 I remember why

Speaker 39 I never watched a lot of baseball, but

Speaker 39 when Jim Gray

Speaker 39 asked him a question during like an all-star game,

Speaker 39 and it was like

Speaker 39 it was

Speaker 39 he

Speaker 39 Jim Gray like asks him

Speaker 39 like Jim Gray. Thank you very much, Anna.
Pete, congratulations, it was quite a motivation for our stars. Pete, let me ask you now: it seems as though that there is an opening.

Speaker 39 The American public is very forgiving. Are you willing to show contrition, admit that you bet on baseball, and make some sort of an apology to that effect? No, no, Jim, not at all.

Speaker 39 I'm not going to admit something that happened. I know you get tired of hearing me say that, but I appreciate the ovation.
I appreciate the American fans voting me on it all-century team.

Speaker 39 I'm just a small part of a big deal tonight. With the overwhelming evidence that is in that report, why not make that step with the

Speaker 39 festive night to worry about that?

Speaker 39 Because I don't want to have what you're talking about. I mean, show it to him.

Speaker 39 We don't want to make that people.

Speaker 39 Well, why not?

Speaker 39 Why do we want to be everything he says? Well, you signed a paper acknowledging the ban. Why did you sign it if you didn't agree? Yep.

Speaker 39 And it also says I can apply for reinstatement after one year.

Speaker 39 If you remember being a press conference, matter of fact, my statement was I came here for my little girl to be a year old so I can apply for reinstatement at my press conference.

Speaker 39 So you forgot to add that clause that was in there. Well, you have reapplied, or you have applied for reinstatement in 1997.
Have you heard back from Commissioner Selich?

Speaker 39 No, and that kind of surprises me. It's only been two years, so he's got a lot of things on his mind, but

Speaker 39 I hope to someday. Pete, it's been ten years since you've been allowed on the field.

Speaker 39 Obviously, the approach that you have taken has not worked. Why not at this point take a different approach? Well, when you say it hadn't worked, what do you exactly mean?

Speaker 39 You're not allowed in baseball, you're not allowed to earn living in the game you love, and you're not allowed to be in a home playing?

Speaker 39 That

Speaker 39 He just he keeps hammering him

Speaker 39 and

Speaker 39 I remember after that everyone was like what the fuck is Jim Gray's problem? Right. Like it was like so much of it was just like Jim Gray is such a fucking asshole.
That's his job.

Speaker 39 Yeah, and Jim Gray is a dislikable piece of shit. Like he's done a lot of stupid shit.
He's fucking annoying. But I like I had a bias against Jim Gray for so long because I was just like,

Speaker 39 Pete Rose seemed like nice and Jim Gray seemed like a prick. Now you know why Pete Gray

Speaker 39 justifiably Jim Gray justifiably hated Peter. Yeah.
Justifiably. And he's hammering him at the moment he gets.

Speaker 39 Because like the news,

Speaker 39 I mean, first of all, that news about the 12 and 14 year old girls thing that dropped, like that was in the middle of all these guys

Speaker 39 having it dropped on them. Yeah.
You know, like that was like the Me Too shit was like, it was coming from every. yeah.
So you can get lost in that a little bit.

Speaker 39 Yeah.

Speaker 39 You know,

Speaker 39 it was,

Speaker 39 you know, that it just, it, it is,

Speaker 39 it is just

Speaker 39 so fucked up. And this just happened.
This is basically the history of America to some extent is

Speaker 39 you have these moments. It feels like there's a cultural shift.

Speaker 39 And as soon as there's an opportunity to weaponize it against the movement, that happens, momentum stops, and there's some sort of counterculture against it.

Speaker 39 And we're in this fucking phase now where it's like you could not be more

Speaker 39 in the

Speaker 39 tide is going back in the other direction of even the modest gains we made,

Speaker 39 it doesn't feel like it matters anymore.

Speaker 39 That's why there's

Speaker 39 re-education camps and leftists when leftists take over. Yeah.

Speaker 39 It's true. Like, you're like, what do I do with you? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 39 Yeah. I mean, you really are just like, what the fuck? Like,

Speaker 39 I don't know. I mean,

Speaker 39 yeah. Well, what a despicable piece of shit.
And

Speaker 39 there we go. There we go.
Pete Rose, all-time hit king of Major League Baseball.

Speaker 39 So a lot has happened in the two weeks. But this episode isn't done.
Go ahead. I'm sorry.
It's been two weeks since since we recorded and a lot has happened.

Speaker 39 One of the reasons that I did choose now to do it was because I knew that

Speaker 39 Trump was pushing for Pete Rose to be reinstated into baseball. And I also saw how MLB was immediately caving on that.
So I thought it might happen. And

Speaker 39 what do you know?

Speaker 39 Yeah, I think you,

Speaker 39 as usual, have a good eye towards that stuff, but it is the timing is. Did you think it was going to be happening that quickly?

Speaker 39 no no but i knew it would it would i thought it would take a little bit longer i thought baseball wouldn't you like just roll over that fast but you know they're all pathetic and they did so he just got reinstated

Speaker 39 yes he's not in the hall of fame but he's reinstated now he's going to be in the hall of fame Now he can be, but not necessarily because the writers still have to vote.

Speaker 39 And remember, the writers haven't voted for some of the greatest players ever because they took steroids back when baseball wanted them to take steroids.

Speaker 39 I actually believe one of the bigger reasons why they can't get them into the Hall of Fame and they won't elect them is because the busts would take up so much room because those heads

Speaker 39 got so big during the Reuters.

Speaker 39 Also, what color would Sammy Sosa's bust be? That is hard to know. Well,

Speaker 39 it could over time start to fade. It would be the greatest if they found a way.
They found a material where Sammy Sosa can slowly blanch.

Speaker 39 So, yeah, so, and look, like I've said this, I think I said it on the podcast, but you know, I think that all players should be in the Hall of Fame who are good enough. And then

Speaker 39 you put on their plaque the bad things they did.

Speaker 39 It makes no sense to have a Hall of Fame without the best players in it just because they're bad guys. It's the Hall of Fame.
It's not the good guy fame

Speaker 39 walk of

Speaker 39 studs. What's up? Yeah.
So,

Speaker 39 so, yeah, so that's, that's my feeling on it. Like, like, Barry Bonds is just like a notorious piece of shit, and he should be in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 39 They're like, well, he did steroids. And it's like, yeah, he might get a dollar.
But, um, but, uh, but, like, you know, all these guys throughout baseball have done drugs and been racist.

Speaker 39 And, like, there's some terrible fucking people in the Hall of Fame. Yeah.
So it's really arbitrary.

Speaker 39 Yeah.

Speaker 39 And people, and people say, like, well, this one's about betting. Okay.
So let's take that argument. So we don't allow people who bet on baseball in the Hall of Fame.
So we kick them out of baseball.

Speaker 39 So let's say there's the best player in baseball and he's in a betting scandal.

Speaker 39 We already heard how baseball, the first time Pete Rose got caught, they covered it up. So let's say the best baseball players hits tons of home runs, pitches.

Speaker 39 Let's say he's caught in a betting scandal. Does baseball want that investigation to just happen and figure out what the truth is? Or does baseball want to hide it? So that's what happens when you

Speaker 39 take a thing like this and say, he's out of baseball. Well, now you're talking about fucking money.

Speaker 39 And it goes a very big player.

Speaker 39 It's so similar to

Speaker 39 this country's inability.

Speaker 39 to actually want truth. Just doesn't want it.
Done want it. Thinks it gets in the way.
Thinks it makes us feel bad. So we're not going to do it.
I mean,

Speaker 39 it's a really

Speaker 39 sort of tough position to be in because you shouldn't be allowed to bet on baseball, as we talked about in the thing.

Speaker 39 But also, like, if a guy is betting on baseball and he's judge or Otani or whatever he is, one of the big guys, they're going to fucking cover that shit up. Yeah.
They're going to cover it up.

Speaker 39 No, they do.

Speaker 39 So, you know, that's, I mean, that's, that's where I'm at. I'm out with it.
Like,

Speaker 39 yeah, so whatever. He's reinstated.
Okay. He's reinstated.
Well, speaking of your prescient nature, we should just quickly allude to the fact this was Preston's idea that we made a joke about

Speaker 39 Christy Noam and Trump coming up with a show where you really made, you, you basically said that this show is going to happen, where it's going to be five families to see who can get citizenship.

Speaker 39 And from your lips to the production company of the guys who did Duck Dynasty's ears,

Speaker 39 because now there is actually

Speaker 39 this idea of a reality show about get your citizenship for families that are

Speaker 39 not do not have legal status.

Speaker 39 DHS is now denying it, but like it's so funny to me. Like, oh, no, we're going to believe DHS.
Like,

Speaker 39 yeah, this seems obvious that they do it.

Speaker 39 Personally, I think it was Christine Ohm who pitched it. Like, I don't think it was DHS.
I think it was just her on her own.

Speaker 39 She's cosplaying all over Instagram.

Speaker 39 Yeah, it's all about fame for her and like getting out in front. She probably wants to host it and everything else.
So yeah. Can't get over the fact that Christy Noam shot her puppy.

Speaker 39 Just cricket's gone.

Speaker 39 Cricket's gone and now. Just kill the dog.
Killed the dog. She killed the dog.
She killed her own dog. There was a goat, too.
And a goat as well. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
She killed the dog and a goat.

Speaker 39 And she's like, that's what we do on a farm. And all the farmers are like, she was like, I do it 100 times out of 100 times.

Speaker 39 Well, keep this woman away from dogs.

Speaker 39 And now she's in charge.

Speaker 39 She's got our ethical standard of what to do with fake criminality. Yeah.

Speaker 39 Anyway,

Speaker 39 we're excited for that show.

Speaker 39 So anyway, there you go, everybody. Enjoy everything.
Pete Rose is going to be in the Hall of Fame, probably. And Christy Noam,

Speaker 39 known, admitted killer of cricket, the dog, and a goat,

Speaker 39 is running the secure.

Speaker 39 Oh, my God.

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