683 - Pete Rose - part two

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Speaker 35 spring 1977, spring training.

Speaker 35 77? 1977. So So Pete Rose has just won.

Speaker 35 They've just won their first World Series against the Boston Red Sox.

Speaker 35 It's big.

Speaker 35 It's big. Pete

Speaker 35 got

Speaker 35 the monkey off his back, right?

Speaker 35 Now he's good in the playoffs. He wins in the monkey.
By the way, if I had a monkey on my back, I would definitely nurse it back to health and keep it.

Speaker 35 What if it was chewing through? Chewing through the back. Yeah.
I'd find a way to make it realize that I was wrong.

Speaker 35 And then I'd put a little diaper on it and I'd put him into little outfits, like little onesies. Start an Instagram with him, Garf Man and the Monkey Boy.

Speaker 35 And we would just do a thing where we would lady in the tramp spaghetti. Yeah, he killed you a long time ago.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. See, you're making stuff up.
I'm not making stuff up.

Speaker 35 You are one of them. He's a tiny little spider monkey.
He's a capuchin. 100% gonna die from monkey.

Speaker 35 Oh, uh, name a worse, name a, name a worse death. Die from rhino?

Speaker 35 Super weird to be ready to say it.

Speaker 35 Luke and I went and had a couple beers last night, and they started doing bar trivia. And bar trivia to me is fleet.

Speaker 35 Yeah,

Speaker 35 because you have English nightmare feels.

Speaker 35 I just want to go. Because you've been in pubs and you know that.
I just, any, anywhere where all of a sudden the vibe is taken over by a game that most people don't want to play,

Speaker 35 Luke, he goes, oh, yes.

Speaker 35 And I go,

Speaker 35 I go, what? He goes, we've got to stay. And I go, what the fuck? I go, no,

Speaker 35 this is like closing time. Yeah.
We leave. And no, they're doing bar chase.
So he gets excited. He gets us a little sheet.

Speaker 35 And he starts, you know, he's a smart guy, despite the fact that he's probably eating poop on the podcast.

Speaker 35 And he's

Speaker 35 going through, and then one of the rounds is

Speaker 35 pictures of like animals, like their feet, and you're supposed to pick those, so whatever.

Speaker 35 We do that round, and then the last round is uh idioms, and uh, yeah, we got a number of them wrong, and Luke was furious.

Speaker 35 Like, it was like the first time I was like, oh, he is competitive. He was furious, and he wanted to go to start talking to the woman running the trivia, telling her why his answers were right.

Speaker 35 Oh, Luke, Luke, it's amazing.

Speaker 35 So, he's he's got a little Pete Rose in him. Yeah, he's got a little rose in him.

Speaker 35 So 1977 spring training.

Speaker 35 It's in Tampa, Florida, where the Reds play their spring training. Spring training is where the baseball teams get ready for the season.
Yeah, they put the springs on their shoes.

Speaker 35 That's where Pete met Terry Rubio. She's staying in the same hotel as Pete.

Speaker 35 His wife and his kids.

Speaker 35 Yeah, okay.

Speaker 35 And uh, she's hot, sure.

Speaker 35 Uh, quote: nine and a half out of ten. Yeah, that's uh, I don't know, yeah, don't know.
It's such a weird,

Speaker 35 he's quoted as saying that, or one of the teammates did, sure, uh, probably him, sure, but uh, yeah, why don't you just go 10?

Speaker 35 Yeah, I think, uh, I think the compliment: look, if you're gonna just go purely physical, give her the 10. Hey, look, you know what she is, she's a 9.89 out of 10.
She's a half shy of totally high,

Speaker 35 She's so close.

Speaker 35 God, baby, you are right there. You're not going to be able to do that.
You know what you need? Your big poofy hair. Yeah, by the way.
And I mean,

Speaker 35 like,

Speaker 35 coming from guys who look like Neanderthal. I know, that's the thing.
You're close to perfect. Hey, look at me.
I'm like a thumb. Yeah.

Speaker 35 So Terry thought it's all okay. It's the 70s.
And the Roses had an agreement, right? Why else would he be doing it?

Speaker 35 Sherilyn got to be Mrs. Rose while Pete gets to have a little fun on the side.
You know, it's an arrangement.

Speaker 35 Gareth, there's no such agreement. I would assume, assuming that is strange.
Yeah. Being like, oh, he's cheating.
His wife must be cool with it. No.

Speaker 35 Terry and Pete slept together in Tampa, and regularly throughout the season, he made no attempt to hide it from anyone, including his team.

Speaker 35 When he wanted her to join him on the road, he had her book flights directly through the team travel secretary. That does not surprise me, though.
That

Speaker 35 sure they do that all the time. That does not surprise me.
I mean, that you're kind of going, you know, whatever. I mean, that's like, what is he going to do? Book his own travel? In the 70s.

Speaker 35 It is so much harder to book your own travel.

Speaker 35 How the fuck do you book travel unless through a travel agent in the 70s? He's going to leave a paper trail. There's no

Speaker 35 you'd go to the fucking airport.

Speaker 35 One, please. You could.

Speaker 35 Get the fuck out of here.

Speaker 35 What are you talking about?

Speaker 35 Hello, I'd like to buy a fly somewhere. Yeah, I mean, you would just call it, what would you just call it?

Speaker 35 The only way to do it was to call a travel agent. That's it.

Speaker 35 That business.

Speaker 35 There was definitely some guy who was like, priceline, that won't last.

Speaker 35 I actually thought maybe it would be easier to use a travel agent when we first started. And I was like, all right, there's one in my town.
And I called him up and had him do it. And it was.

Speaker 35 So much worse and so much more.

Speaker 35 It was terrible. I was just like, why do people do this? I don't know.
We actually were completely flat-footed. We did not expect this phone to ring.

Speaker 35 Have you heard of a price line?

Speaker 35 Yeah, exactly. She could potentially go onto one of those sites.

Speaker 35 Quote: She stayed in Pete's hotel room, mingled with the other wives and the press, sunbathed next to manager Sparky Anderson at hotel swimming pools, and cheered Pete all the way to the World Series again.

Speaker 35 Terry was in New York in October when the Reds faced the Yankees again to win their second championship in a row.

Speaker 35 She was in a hotel room at the New York Sheridan while Carolyn was in another room.

Speaker 35 It was brazen even by ball players' standards. Terry was worried about running into Carolyn in the lobby,

Speaker 35 but Pete seemed to get off on pushing the limits. Terry's family also was into pushing limits, especially her dad.

Speaker 35 Famed Florida bookie Ralph Rubio. Oh, shit.
Here we go.

Speaker 35 Now you know how they met. Yeah, okay.

Speaker 35 Right, they didn't bump into each other in the fucking hotel. She was taking bets or whatever.

Speaker 35 Right? I don't know. Yes, come on.
It seems strange.

Speaker 35 It's very coincidental.

Speaker 35 I'm still caught up on the fact that

Speaker 35 is he supposed to book her in another hotel? I mean, that is a huge pain in the ass. Oh, no.
If you're going to cheat on your wife,

Speaker 35 you know, just do a different floor. Yeah.

Speaker 35 Yeah, that's all you do. Yeah, you just do different floors.

Speaker 35 I mean, I guess you could,

Speaker 35 yeah.

Speaker 35 New York. I just can't imagine the stress.
World series. Oh, the stress.
Oh, man.

Speaker 35 Truly, like, you know, not cheating, part of it is based on just decency and respect for a relationship. Yeah.
The other part is

Speaker 35 I would just be sitting there the whole time. It would just be like one night I'd be like, dad, I didn't got my dick sucked.
That's exactly why I don't murder people. Yeah, me too.

Speaker 35 I never murdered anyone.

Speaker 35 What? That's just the way you said it. It was the tone.
What do you mean? I never murdered it. I never

Speaker 35 have I ever

Speaker 35 done something like that. What?

Speaker 35 Taking a guy, taking a man's life because he's because of the way that I saw it playing out long-term to my advantage.

Speaker 35 Why would it play out to your advantage mind games with someone who i need to get control over i haven't done it you have done it have not done it listen clearly

Speaker 35 even

Speaker 35 what let's just go on yeah i'm ready to go on at some point we're gonna talk about and by the way it's possible just so everyone knows you can take someone's life and still miss well you know what next time we meet roger our uh counselor what we'll talk about i would love to talk about it with roger yeah and bring up the picture of your dad.

Speaker 35 A picture of my dad. Yeah.
So he sees him.

Speaker 35 What I saw him as.

Speaker 35 Just save it for Roger. Yeah, that's fine.

Speaker 35 Just a great, he's a great man. Okay.
In 19.

Speaker 35 Greater than you. Were you part of the Sons of the Western Front? No, neither was he.

Speaker 35 Sons of the Western Front is so good.

Speaker 35 Sons of the Western Front, Sons of the Western Front. By the way, when your dad's up there with that little uniform on giving that speech, I think any of them knew that he had a fart chair.

Speaker 35 Nobody knew. That was the great secret.

Speaker 35 It's like a rosebud. Same deal.
Yeah.

Speaker 35 Revealing Rosebud like fart chair.

Speaker 35 I mean, fart chair at the end of the, like you're watching it. You're just like, what the fuck? Wait, what? What's going on? Look, if you push it here.

Speaker 35 Yeah.

Speaker 35 Fart sheriff.

Speaker 35 People joining it for the first time are like, what is fucking happening? This is a history show. In 1977, Terry got pregnant.
Oh, boy. On top of that, she was being followed.

Speaker 35 Well, most women who are pregnant are. But she's also the daughter of a big-time bookie.
Sure. Right.

Speaker 35 So she already knew a thing or two, and Terry knew almost instantly she was being tailed and watched.

Speaker 35 One of her father's friends at the sheriff's office looked into it and confirmed it. It was a former New York City cop turned private eye.
Okay. His client?

Speaker 35 No. Major League Baseball.
Oh, okay.

Speaker 35 Because Pete had been making phone calls to Terry from the clubhouse many just before games began. What the fuck? That's also weird.

Speaker 35 Well, that's very consistent with the behavior of someone who is betting on baseball. Ah, there we go.
Terry denied and makes the story go away. Okay.

Speaker 35 Pete is very glad to be rid of the story. He's also happy to be rid of Terry.
He didn't want another wife and another kid. Like, because she got pregnant, he's like, okay.
So what is it?

Speaker 35 Now it's fucking... But wait.
I'm here to fucking

Speaker 35 have another.

Speaker 35 Okay, but look, I don't want that. I just want to play ball and fuck around.
Yeah, well, you shouldn't have to do that. But the decision has been made to have a baby.

Speaker 35 by you and well but not a family like well but a baby it's a baby you're not you can do that over there it's yours it was. Is not remains

Speaker 35 to be.

Speaker 35 I'm going to take you out at second. What are you talking about? Yeah, I'm going to slide in you so fucking hard.
No, you're not. I'm going to slide you so fucking off.
No, you're not.

Speaker 35 That would be a solution. So I decided to charge her at the belly.

Speaker 35 Yes, he doesn't want another family. The whole point of fucking around is to fuck around.
Then it gets serious, right? That's his thing.

Speaker 35 That's just really bad.

Speaker 35 But also, he just met a cocktail waitress named Carol with, quote, the best ass in Cincinnati.

Speaker 35 First of all,

Speaker 35 by the way. Still not the best ass.
I know, but when they gave out that award.

Speaker 35 Ladies and gentlemen, please rise for the singing of our national asthm.

Speaker 35 He would send Terry payments for his illegitimate child,

Speaker 35 a daughter, and then he went on his way.

Speaker 35 By the way, you know when that kid was born, it like started from the fucking starnote. Yeah.
Yeah. Head of steam when it it got.
It dropped out. Yeah,

Speaker 35 took out the doctor. Just ran through.

Speaker 35 Just takes out the doctor. The doctor drops the forceps.
Is it a boy or a girl? It's a rose. Whoa.

Speaker 35 It's all hustle.

Speaker 35 Don't do that.

Speaker 35 Noise, don't. You see a hugging my hand.
It's too much. It's too much.
It's just the sound. Yeah, but it's not necessary.
It's like someone listening to someone go through a plasma stargate. Okay.

Speaker 35 So Carolyn puts up, she puts up with a lot, but Pete's

Speaker 35 Pete's with the young girls running around with a cocktail witch just named Carol, which is very close to her name. That's

Speaker 35 also having a kid with another woman. It's all

Speaker 35 some lines have been crossed. So one day at a concession stand, Fawn and that's his daughter and Carolyn see Carol,

Speaker 35 and she's wearing a diamond necklace, which Carolyn recognized,

Speaker 35 and

Speaker 35 it's something Pete bought for her, and she marched over and ripped it off. So wait,

Speaker 35 he pawned it. She just, she, she saw it, and she realized, like, that's exactly Pete's style.
Style of buying.

Speaker 35 And she ripped it off, and she was like, this is mine, because he bought it with our money.

Speaker 35 And Carol was just like, oh,

Speaker 35 yeah.

Speaker 35 So Pete and Carolyn now separate.

Speaker 35 Some women just aren't cut out for relationships. Yeah, no, they can't.
If If you can't, they're very,

Speaker 35 and we say this as two cis white men, but

Speaker 35 women just sometimes can't handle what we do. Well, which is for you.
Which is just, we're incorrigible little scamps who are going to do whatever we want.

Speaker 35 And I see hole, me go in. This is.

Speaker 35 Come on now. Would you just stop? You read the terms and conditions of this deal.

Speaker 35 You make a good point. Yeah, excuse me.
This thing goes bigger. Now me use it to go.

Speaker 35 Go big. Go in.
Me go bigger. Me go in.
Questions later. Shut up.
Stop texting.

Speaker 35 So

Speaker 35 they're separated. Pete moves into a friend's spare room.
How the fuck can he not afford his own spot?

Speaker 35 That's a good question.

Speaker 35 It's amazing to be like.

Speaker 35 Whatever. So obviously, Pete is going to start playing better now.
Right. He's got controversy.
He's self-motivating. He now gets his 3,000 hits.

Speaker 35 So only 13 players in the history of baseball have done it. That's crazy.
He also took a run at the most sacred record in baseball, Joe DiMaggio's 56-game hitting streak.

Speaker 35 That's going to be his penis. Which is sacred.
It's considered to be the record that will never be broken. 56-game hitting streak.
Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 35 But I mean, he was so used to carrying a bat around in his pants all the time. Thank you.
So he was very at home just fucking his.

Speaker 35 Yes.

Speaker 35 Any athlete would be distracted by what's going on at home and his family falling apart. But Pete just gets locked in.
He's making history.

Speaker 35 He passes the National League 37 game hitting streak, and the country's going crazy.

Speaker 35 Every team Pete faces, especially their owners, are thrilled. They congratulate him.
They thank him because he's filling the whole stadium. It's like Maguire Bonds.
Yeah, it's just packing stadiums.

Speaker 35 He's making them tons of money. When he got to Atlanta, he shouted to the stadium workers, quote, you're going to to love me after tonight.

Speaker 35 Well, actually, you know, this job sort of sucks. Yeah, I make the same if I sell nine hot dogs.

Speaker 35 Hourly wage man who has no capability of relating to commoners. I sell hot dogs, you fuck.
You guys are going to be happy today.

Speaker 35 Way you guys mow this grass after I'm gone, huh?

Speaker 35 I know every time I leave a comedy club, my last word is,

Speaker 35 I just go, you're welcome.

Speaker 35 You're welcome.

Speaker 35 So the atmosphere is electric. Braves fans booed their own pitchers when they threw outside.
Oh, yeah. But by the way, that is shitty.
I get it. You want him like face the guy,

Speaker 35 throw him pitches. Yeah.

Speaker 35 I also like that they have to signal for it. They're like, be lame.
Yeah. Be lame.
Could I be lame? Be lame. Players on the home team were literally buckling at the knees under the pressure.

Speaker 35 In the sixth inning, Pete hit a ground ball past a diving second baseman and the stadium exploded. The streak was up to 44 games.
And the record's 56. 56.
I remember this. Yeah, right.

Speaker 35 The next day, Pete ran into something you cannot out-hustle, and that is bad luck. He hit two really hard line drives, one right to third base, and one that led to a highlight reel catch.

Speaker 35 by a career minor league pitcher who couldn't, he couldn't believe what he'd done. He's just like looking at his glove.
The inning ended and the pitcher's just staring dumbfounded at his glove.

Speaker 35 And Pete has one last chance, one last at bat

Speaker 35 against Braves Club. Why didn't you just run into the pitcher when you go? Good question.
Good question. It just seems like the logical move.
It is a good question.

Speaker 35 Attack him and say, oh, I was sliding in the mound. Let me ask you a baseball question.
Please. Finally.
If you're on base at first and you're going to second, can you run to the outfield fence?

Speaker 35 As like a detour? Yeah.

Speaker 35 Can you run? I don't believe you can.

Speaker 35 I believe there is a little bit of...

Speaker 35 I think they keep you zoned in a little. You can run to the outfield fence.
No, you can't. Yes, you can.

Speaker 35 So you could.

Speaker 35 You make your own base path.

Speaker 35 So wherever you go, you just have to go back. So you can run to the outfield fence and then to second.

Speaker 35 Has anyone ever been the funniest baseball player of all?

Speaker 35 Because if there's a guy on third, you can distract the team by running to the outfield fence and then they don't know what to do.

Speaker 35 Is there footage of this? I don't know if it's ever happened in a pro game, but it's definitely not in a game.

Speaker 35 I would just be doing that regularly. My dream is to coach a high school team and just do trick plays the whole time.
And fuck it, everybody's happy.

Speaker 35 This movie should be made. Oh, it would be so fun.
Trick Daddy. Just make the old guys so mad.
What's that bush leak? We don't do that. Well, I just did it, motherfucker.

Speaker 35 He came back with a tennis record.

Speaker 35 So he has one last chance, one last sabbat to

Speaker 35 continue the history.

Speaker 35 The Braves closer is Gene Garber, and Gene is an Henri type. Sure.
He had just been traded from the Phillies, who could go on to win the World Series, to the Braves, who are fucking terrible.

Speaker 35 So he's bummed. Sure.
Like last year, there was a guy who was on, I think, the Dodgers, and he got traded to the White Sox. The Dodgers go on to win the World Series.

Speaker 35 The White Sox are the historically worst. I think they had the worst record in the history of baseball.
Wow. So it's like that.
Like, you're just bummed. Yeah, yeah.
You're fucking bummed.

Speaker 35 Now, at least he'd have a chance to go against the former MVP. So this is like...
This is his World Series. Yeah, it's one of bats.
It's his World Series. Millions of people watching.

Speaker 35 In the country, wherever you are, they cut into

Speaker 35 whatever. TV show you're watching to show the at-bat.
You know, can we just say how it must have been really easy for Caroline right now?

Speaker 35 I mean, I think we're forgetting about how this probably just made her life a lot easier.

Speaker 35 Watching the philanderer who you've attached your existence to be treated as a hero every time he does his dumb sport thing, they would cut in when he was also fucking Carol.

Speaker 35 We now go live to Pete Rose, who's about to finish on her tits.

Speaker 35 That go weird. Why? I was talking about them making love, and you took it to a very dirty place.

Speaker 35 Excuse me, sorry. How do you you end Coitis?

Speaker 35 Exactly. Face?

Speaker 35 We're all aiming face.

Speaker 35 This podcast is a disaster. We've lost so many lives.
Pete Rich is a Pete Rose episode. That's true.

Speaker 35 Yeah, so it's cutting in. So there's millions and millions of people watching just to show this at bat.
Two outs in the bottom of the ninth. Okay.

Speaker 35 And it's his World Series. It's the Pitcher's World Series, like we said.
Now, the one thing he knows is he can't walk him because people would lose their fucking minds. Yeah, right.

Speaker 35 And they'd remember him forever. But he's a breaking ball pitcher.
So he, so that means the ball moves a lot and is slower, right? Not just fast on the metal. I'm not trying to overpower a guy.

Speaker 35 It's moving to trick him.

Speaker 35 Fastballs are the most likely

Speaker 35 to hit the strike zone. Garber's fastballs is the least reliable pitch.
So he's going to throw junk, as it's called.

Speaker 35 He got Pete to a two-and-two count with a change-up, and then he does what nobody ever fucking does to Pete Rose. Ever.

Speaker 35 He throws the exact same pitch twice in a row. Oh, dear.

Speaker 35 And Pete can't help it. He swings

Speaker 35 too soon.

Speaker 35 And

Speaker 35 Garber jumps up and does a massive fist pump.

Speaker 35 He took out the mighty Pete Rose. And the streak.
Wow. Now, you'd think that someone who hustled and tried and worked as hard as Pete Rose,

Speaker 35 someone who ended an opponent's career at a meaningless exhibition game by just taking him out, would respect the duel that he just lost.

Speaker 35 Mano a mano. Sure.
You took me on. You beat me.
Sure. No.

Speaker 35 He called the change-up quote a bastard pitch.

Speaker 35 He wanted the easiest pitch to hit. He wanted the fastball.
That's not how it works, man. No.
Well, you lose.

Speaker 35 There is a lot of that where it's like, you cannot complain about how someone beat you. If you lost within the rules, what were you going to do?

Speaker 35 You lost.

Speaker 35 He got, that's what happens in your battery. The pitcher outthought you.
Yeah.

Speaker 35 Bastard pitch. He said he hoped Garber pitched again the next night.

Speaker 35 Not so he'd get a hit off him, but so he could smash a line, drive directly back at Garber's head. Doesn't matter, bro.
Fucking lost.

Speaker 35 And his friends in the press made sure he was still the hero and Garber was the villain.

Speaker 35 40 years later, Garber still has to defend why he tried to be good at baseball from fans who only heard Pete's side of the story.

Speaker 35 Quote, people don't let me forget it or go to sleep at night without remembering. Oh, God.

Speaker 35 Well, like you're saying,

Speaker 35 it's just the...

Speaker 35 What sport does to us is truly

Speaker 35 it's just baffling there's also there's a there's a level of entitlement also with some of these guys which we saw play out in the nfl draft yeah there's a level of entitlement that some of these guys have that is crazy yep like you're you're supposed you're living in pete rose's world yep he's not living in a world of a bunch of other people so you're supposed to do the thing that helps him yeah elon musk disease yeah what what do you mean nothing i just like the cars oh yeah yeah yeah he's yeah he's great

Speaker 35 He invented cars. He knows what he's doing.
He invented cars. It's going good.
And rockets. He wore two hats today.

Speaker 35 Yeah. It's like cool.
It's funny. It's goofy.

Speaker 35 But here's the thing that happened with this hitting streak. It brought his family back together.

Speaker 35 What?

Speaker 35 Because they had to reunite to go to the White House to meet Jimmy Carter, and he can't let the kids miss out. I bet I know what that sounded like.

Speaker 35 Well, so we're very excited to have P. Rose here today.

Speaker 35 They call it the Rose Garden, but I call it the P. Rose Garden.
Well, he's here today.

Speaker 35 The P. Rose Garden.
I understand

Speaker 35 he

Speaker 35 tried to have sex with someone from the White House press call

Speaker 35 while he was here with his family.

Speaker 35 That's Jimmy Carter. Oh, that's Jimmy Carter.

Speaker 35 I thought it was like a

Speaker 35 woman from

Speaker 35 Tennessee. I'm the president.
I'm soft-spoken. I put solar panels on the White House, Jay.
You like,

Speaker 35 hey.

Speaker 35 Maybe if I had done a little bit more, you would not be living in a nightmare. It's great to

Speaker 35 get inside Garrett's mind to know what he remembers about. I know a lot about Garrett.

Speaker 35 Ask me a question. Ask me a question.
What's his wife's name? Rosalind. Oh, shit.
Oh, that just happened. Allow me to take my cock out.

Speaker 35 That'll teach you. No, no.

Speaker 35 So you thought you're smarter than me?

Speaker 35 I know I'm smarter than you. No.

Speaker 35 What's my wife's name?

Speaker 35 Exactly. Bridget.

Speaker 35 You're an idiot.

Speaker 35 So he's not going to show up to the White House without the kids

Speaker 35 because that would be weird for, you know, visual reasons.

Speaker 35 And then on the trip,

Speaker 35 Carolyn and Pete reconcile.

Speaker 35 By the way, I got a good feeling. Yeah, this is going to go.

Speaker 35 This is a distance. I think this is going to to be okay.
He's going to be a 56. He's learned a lesson.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 35 So he moves back home. He seems pretty happy.
Sure. He seems pretty happy.
They always are. They always are, Dave.
Trust me. When they move back in, Dave, they're happy.

Speaker 35 Here's the big problem, though. The Reds have a new team president.
He is not like Pete Rose as a player, but more importantly, as a person.

Speaker 35 He's a piece of shit.

Speaker 35 He thought Pete's gambling and womanizing and just general state of Pete were a distraction to the team.

Speaker 35 And the fact that Pete's play was starting to slightly decline

Speaker 35 made it worse.

Speaker 35 He thought Pete would still be at the top of his game if he was on the straight and arrow. Right.

Speaker 35 And

Speaker 35 the timing of this,

Speaker 35 well, Pete's contract is up. Okay.
So he wants to stay in Cincinnati where he lived his entire life. Yeah.
But he's like, if I have to go somewhere else to play

Speaker 35 baseball and get what I deserve, then I'll do it. Sure.

Speaker 35 And now, Kurt Flood, we talked about a previous episode.

Speaker 35 His thing has happened, and players have won free agency right around this time. So he can sign whatever team he wants now that his contract's up.

Speaker 35 And Pete is going to be one of the best players, best paid players in baseball. But he also wants to go to a team that's going to win the World Series.
Sure.

Speaker 35 He turns down the Royals,

Speaker 35 which they part of the deal was to offer him a stake in the owner's oil fields. Oh, my gosh.
she's disgusting.

Speaker 35 Oh my God.

Speaker 35 Just

Speaker 35 playing for the Royals to get oil.

Speaker 35 The Braves offered him, part of their offer was $100,000 pension for the rest of his life. That's a great offer.

Speaker 35 He even turned down a Budweiser distributor ship. A Budweiser?

Speaker 35 What?

Speaker 35 And also, racehorses. He turned on racehorses.
What about money? Anyone got money? Well, he does.

Speaker 35 He joins the Philadelphia Affiliates for less money because they're actual contenders. Okay.
But he doesn't ask. And you get a bunch of go-karts.
He doesn't ask Caroline. Sure.
He just does it.

Speaker 35 Now,

Speaker 35 she has to upward. Well, what is he supposed to do?

Speaker 35 Talk it over with your wife.

Speaker 35 Okay, let me walk you through how that's going to go. Okay.
You be him. I'll be her.
Okay.

Speaker 35 I'm probably going to. Philadelphia looks like the place I think.
No, I'm comfortable here. It's all about me.

Speaker 35 See? That's why you don't tell her. You just go.
That's why you, by the way, you fucking put a little... You blow dart her.
Where's that? You blow dart her. Let me explain it if you give me a minute.

Speaker 35 And then she wakes up in Philly. It's fine.
It's fine. It's not the fact that she's.

Speaker 35 The second that you're open. Hold on.
It's not how she gets there.

Speaker 35 You don't know that. It's living there.

Speaker 35 It's not like if she wakes up there, she's going to be like, oh, great. That's what she's doing.
Yeah, let me finish.

Speaker 35 You create a neighborhood that is very much like the one she just left, and she doesn't ever know the difference.

Speaker 35 Why do you seem frustrated? Which is the biggest thing that I've ever heard from.

Speaker 35 This is how marriages should work.

Speaker 35 It sounds like you're making the Truman show.

Speaker 35 Okay.

Speaker 35 A great movie. Yeah.
Yeah. It is a great movie.
There you go.

Speaker 35 Okay.

Speaker 35 So she just uprooted her whole life.

Speaker 35 That's where she lived all of her life. She had three major concerns.
One,

Speaker 35 if that

Speaker 35 whore Carol is going to be there. Okay.
Two, hoping the other wives on the Phillies would like her. Okay.
And three, if Philadelphia had a Kmart.

Speaker 35 Because

Speaker 35 that was great news about the third one. Carolyn was known for being the only person in Cincinnati who would roll up to Kmart in a Rolls-Royce.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 35 Jesus Christ.

Speaker 35 I don't know what's happening. I don't know.
Yeah, I get it. Okay.

Speaker 35 Sometimes I drive my Hyundai to Dollar General just because we're omnipotent. Do Kmarts even exist anymore?

Speaker 35 There's like a couple. Yeah.

Speaker 35 They're hanging on there. Yeah.
Barely. It's like a Chuck E.
Cheese or a Blockbuster. Yeah.

Speaker 35 At spring training, seven-year-old Little Pete Jr.

Speaker 35 was wandering around the hotel room with his glove and ball. He's looking for someone to play with.
Just wanted to find someone to play

Speaker 35 baseball with.

Speaker 35 And there's a college team from Massachusetts there. Tommy Giosa was a very nice, very nice kid.
And he thought, why don't they make this young boy's afternoon? Sure.

Speaker 35 So they played for a few hours. A few hours?

Speaker 35 I don't know. Let's just say some hours.
And then

Speaker 35 when the buses pulled in from the stadium, Pete Jr. grabs Tommy's hand and

Speaker 35 ran him up to his room to introduce him to his mom and dad.

Speaker 35 I love the setup. And all of a sudden, Tommy is standing face to face with his favorite baseball player who

Speaker 35 he modeled this whole game after. It's Pete Rose, the guy, his hero.
I killed the second baseman.

Speaker 35 I've been fucking around just like you do. It's awesome.

Speaker 35 I went to the showers and looked at an old guy's dick. Yeah, you're my Joe DiMaggio.

Speaker 35 So Pete is genuinely moved by Tommy for paying attention to his son.

Speaker 35 I thought Pete was going to be threatened by him. No, they strike up

Speaker 35 like an unlikely friendship. Okay.

Speaker 35 And Pete liked feeling young, and Tommy likes being friends with Pete Rose. So pretty soon Tommy is going with Pete and the Cuban on triple headers.

Speaker 35 We never learn more about the Cuban.

Speaker 35 I don't want to. I don't either, right? It's enough.
It's perfect the way it is. He's like an apparition.

Speaker 35 So horse racing, dog racing, and high-lai. This guy was just like, I don't know.

Speaker 35 Then Tommy was coming to Cincinnati to visit and hang out with Pete Jr.

Speaker 35 And Pete thought, hey, Tommy, Tommy's a good time. Why doesn't he just stay here with us? Why doesn't he just stay? And while we're at it, why not get Tommy into the farm system of the Phillies?

Speaker 35 Just get him into the farm system of the baseball team. So Pete pulled some strings and got Tommy a spot as a minor leaguer for the Orioles.

Speaker 35 Orioles, O-R-I-E-L-S. Not the.

Speaker 35 I think it's a Philly farm team. Oh, okay.
Sure. So the shitty Orioles.
Yeah.

Speaker 35 Yeah. The shitty.
Yeah.

Speaker 35 At home, Pete gives odd jobs to Tommy, a little work here and there. And put a bunch of holes in the ceiling.
Like running bets to bookies. Okay.

Speaker 35 Coordinating Pete's girls in the cities and each team he's playing in.

Speaker 35 And once sneaking out early in the morning and disposing of a newspaper with a front-page story about Pete's baby mama Terry filing a paternity suit. What the fuck?

Speaker 35 Pete is thinking is so short-sighted. The idea that you can just get rid of the paper gets rid of the news.

Speaker 35 What kind of like...

Speaker 35 It's so like old cartoony. Yeah, like if you...
If you,

Speaker 35 if that, not, you, you need to be be like find every one of her friends and get rid of their papers too just get rid of the papers she won't know

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Speaker 35 Tommy was a very kind kid. He's not a very smart guy.
Sometime in the past few months, Pete stopped paying Terry for their daughter. Okay.

Speaker 35 Everybody knew that

Speaker 35 Morgan Rubio was Pete's daughter. Okay.

Speaker 35 But Pete seemed to think that he just didn't need to pay for her anymore because he just didn't want to do it. Sure.
So is that not kind of like. If you don't want to, then you don't.
I'm good.

Speaker 35 You don't do it. Yeah.

Speaker 35 So he has nothing to do with his kid. That's a good dad.

Speaker 35 But Terry is not the kind of lady who just takes it,

Speaker 35 right? She's just, she's a fucking Bookie's daughter. She's not going to.

Speaker 35 So for once in life, Pete, Pete has to face consequences. And Terry went to the press saying, quote, when you have a strong hand, you play it to the hilt and you don't fold.

Speaker 35 A few weeks later, Terry went to the spring training hotel and approached a sunbathing Caroline

Speaker 35 and introduced her to her husband's illegitimate daughter. This is...

Speaker 35 That's

Speaker 35 sexy.

Speaker 35 This is how...

Speaker 35 This is...

Speaker 35 Well, this is the sort of thing, too, where it's like, you know, when you used to watch those, like, with Jerry Springer, and it'd be like, it is.

Speaker 35 The two people who have no beef with each other really have beef with the person in the middle and they fight each other. It's like, this is all Pete's fault.
Yes.

Speaker 35 Everything is about, but they're just now, it's like, all right, Carolyn, this is what you get for marrying a perfect man.

Speaker 35 Carolyn is shocked, mortified.

Speaker 35 Terry said she later felt bad, but she wanted Pete, know, Pete to know how

Speaker 35 little bullshit was she was going to put up with. Okay.

Speaker 35 And

Speaker 35 she was going to ruin his life if he ruined hers.

Speaker 35 Pete got the message and he settles very quickly after that.

Speaker 35 Nice. It was a good try, Pete.

Speaker 35 What did you know?

Speaker 35 Samantha Stevenson successfully sued to allow female reporters into post-game locker rooms so they could do their jobs just like men do.

Speaker 35 The big issue was that the athletes were naked and they were women. That's kind of the whole issue.
Sure.

Speaker 35 After she won, multiple players' wives would physically try and prevent her from entering the locker rooms, blocking the entrances. Okay.
Can't see my husband's dick. Yeah.

Speaker 35 That's for the women he's fornicating with behind my back. That's for the 15-year-old girl at Florida.
Excuse me.

Speaker 35 Samantha was tapped by Playboy to write one of its prestigious interviews with Pete.

Speaker 35 So if you're

Speaker 35 any Playboy interview in the 70s with a man was pretty bad. But yes, but

Speaker 35 they were like some of the biggest interview.

Speaker 35 Oh, huge. Playboy interview was like...
Huge.

Speaker 35 Bob Dylan,

Speaker 35 Governor Jerry Brown, Muhammad ali like huge people did these things yep

Speaker 35 so the person it also gave husbands the ability to say i get it for the articles for a long time 100

Speaker 35 the person interviewed the month prior was edward teller the father of the hydrogen bomb nice pete

Speaker 35 he's usually a step ahead of reporters or sways them in a way but he's a little blindsided um

Speaker 35 stevenson quote carolyn told us that she has called you on the road and not been able to find you. She said she presumes you were screwing around.
She seems to make a joke out of it.

Speaker 35 Rose, well, she would make a joke about it, but she'll take it. She won't say nothing.
She knows what I like for her to

Speaker 35 say and not to say.

Speaker 35 Okay.

Speaker 35 Hey, anyway, this is why we have PR people.

Speaker 35 Wow. You hear the gunshot of a PR person.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 35 Wow.

Speaker 35 So he's clearly flustered. He did not expect this.
Even if you're flustered, you come up with a better answer. Oh my god, she shuts up and takes it.
She fucking knows when to shut her goddamn mouth.

Speaker 35 Be like, oh, yeah, we tease each other. It's fun.

Speaker 35 So he's very upset. He goes on to attack Stevenson for doing post-game locker room interviews.
Quote, tell me, how does it feel to have all this cock staring in your face?

Speaker 35 Does it make you embarrassed? Do you like it?

Speaker 35 So that doesn't go. That's not a great interview for that was.
Jesus Christ. Just.

Speaker 35 What a go-to. Ugh.

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Speaker 35 What sort of weird shit is that? Can I just say, I don't want to walk around with my dick out around just diverging? Oh, my God, dude. He runs their dick out all the time.

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Speaker 35 Look, I don't know what it's like.

Speaker 35 I just could tell you that

Speaker 35 the worst people on earth are the men in the men's locker room who want to walk around naked and do everything with their dick out.

Speaker 35 Like the guy is like, I'm going to do some sit-ups on the floor here with my cock out. And you're like, oh, cool.
Yeah, you can put on underwear before you go to do your hair. Yeah.

Speaker 35 I mean, honestly, throw on a fucking, put on some shorts. Yeah.
So that, I mean, that's what we're talking about. Like, they just want to walk around with their dick out.

Speaker 35 They want, they felt like, yeah, they were. They didn't want women in there.
And that's, and that's a fucking silverback thing around like reporters who aren't athletes, right?

Speaker 35 You want to walk around and be like, yeah. Although I do feel, now I feel sorry for the athlete who was a little one.

Speaker 35 Well, I mean, yeah, well, honestly, I mean, he was probably chubbing up. There's definitely.

Speaker 35 Oh, yeah, I bet they work it a little bit before they come out. What is that length, though? I don't know.
It's so fucking weird. It's just both penis culture, locker room penis culture.

Speaker 35 It's very weird. But, you know, this is a very competitive,

Speaker 35 masculine, hyper-masculine sort of.

Speaker 35 Anyway,

Speaker 35 DiMaggio, though. DiMaggio.
That guy had a, I mean, it was like a root seller. Looked like he was.
Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 35 Root seller. Yeah.

Speaker 35 Yeah. He had a shower for him and one for that anaconda.

Speaker 35 So Pete's new

Speaker 35 mistress Carol the bartender great ass great assassin innocently she's in Philly and Carolyn knew because she saw Carol driving near the family home and a Porsche looked familiar The reason why it looked familiar

Speaker 35 It's Carolyn's car interesting So Pete has a thing Pete's really dumb while

Speaker 35 Even if you're the other woman,

Speaker 35 wouldn't you not want to drive the car does she know? I bet she doesn't know. Man, I bet you doesn't know he's regifting.
Yeah.

Speaker 35 While the Porsche was stopped at a light, Carolyn calmly approached the driver's side, opened the door.

Speaker 35 I don't know if it was a calm approach. It looks like Grand Theft Auto.
I don't know if it's a calm approach. And punched the shit out of her husband's mouth.
No longer a calm approach.

Speaker 35 Right in the mouth. Just starts to punch her in the mouth.
Jesus Christ. It's hot.
No. It's hot.

Speaker 35 When the Phillies went on their next road trip, Carolyn packed up her things, taken Fawn and Pete Jr., and went back to Cincinnati. Okay.

Speaker 35 As soon as she got there she called the lawyer and filed for divorce

Speaker 35 he started playing better

Speaker 35 dude come on divorce me like divorce me 10 times

Speaker 35 i'm gonna be the batting champion

Speaker 35 he hit an astounding 468 for the rest of the year i've never heard of that so

Speaker 35 so what that's i don't know when this happened exactly i don't know what part of the year but 468 for any

Speaker 35 shocking for a month isn't like that's insane shocking uh like if you don't understand

Speaker 35 whatever 400 means you hit four out of ten times right like i think to be hitting almost five fifty percent of the time you're up is i think it's one or two guys that have hit over 400 like no one's

Speaker 35 you're getting on base yeah just to be clear phillies won the world series yeah okay the best uh the team's best player mike schitt credited mike shit schmidt credited pete for his leadership okay

Speaker 35 pete hit hit 400 in the NLCS. He got six hits in the World Series.
He's a champion again, third-time champion. Wow.
Yeah. I mean, look, on the field.
Yeah. Great.
Yeah. On the field, great.

Speaker 35 Three weeks after Carolyn filed for divorce, Pete got an invite to appear on NFL Today pregame show.

Speaker 35 Sure, talk baseball, but this is an NFL show. And at the time, they had a guy on there every week called Jimmy the Greek, and he would handicap games.

Speaker 35 So he was like the guy in Vegas who did the betting stuff. Yep.
Yeah, he was one of the first guys who was like, this is my lack of the week.

Speaker 35 So Jimmy the Greek is not there that week. So Pete is filling in and Pete picks Buffalo to beat the Bears.
Falcons over Green Bay, New England to beat Detroit. Host Brett

Speaker 35 Musberger is pleasantly surprised. at Pete's expertise.
Quote, where did you get all that stuff? And Pete smiled. I follow football pretty good.

Speaker 35 After Pete sat with the hosts in front of a wall of TVs with every single game on. It's magical.
An unforgettable thing. Quote, a gambler's delight.

Speaker 35 1983,

Speaker 35 42, 42 years old. Yeah.
His play is diminishing, obviously. Sure.
Philly's made the World Series again, but for the first time in his career, he watched from the dugout because he was benched.

Speaker 35 He couldn't hack it in the big leagues. Also, his little buddy, Tommy Giosa, could not hack it in the minors.

Speaker 35 Tommy, like Pete, too small. He tried hard.
Pete said he played like he's, quote, pouring gasoline on himself while running through hell.

Speaker 35 Sorry. We're complimenting the gentleman? Dude, that's good.
Like you're poor guy. If you're going through hell, you pour gas on yourself.
Sure. And then you fucking run.
Okay. Seems a little.

Speaker 35 You fucking run. Okay.

Speaker 35 But it's not the 60s 60s now. It's the 80s.
Things have changed. Non-white people are playing for one.

Speaker 35 That's tough. So remember in the

Speaker 35 yeah, so it went from like you had to be the best black player to play and all the smaller roles are filled by white guys and now more black guys are filled by playing.

Speaker 35 Now you got to be the best white guy to play. Yeah, it's hard.
Yeah, it's hard. Yeah, so all those little, so whatever.
So there's more, there's more non-whites.

Speaker 35 A non-athletic little white guy could no longer hack into the majors just on effort.

Speaker 35 And Tommy was cut and he went back to Cincinnati, back to Pete's condo, and his old job is the doorman of the bar where Carol used to waitress.

Speaker 35 But he's going to get bigger after this. He's going to get bigger and stronger.
Tommy is. Yeah.
Sure.

Speaker 35 So the bartender helped him out. Uh-oh.
Bartender there pulled out a syringe and told Tommy to pull down his pants. The steroid results were almost immediate.
Sure.

Speaker 35 Instead of benching 135, he was up to 400. Holy shit.
Can I just say 135 is so little? Yeah. Finn benches.
That's like mine. The Finn bench is like 200.

Speaker 35 It's like mine.

Speaker 35 400 is crazy. 400 is shy.
400 is crazy.

Speaker 35 Those Roid numbers are really. Back then, Reids were

Speaker 35 like now you could kind of hide them a little bit. Yeah.
But back then it was like...

Speaker 35 Like people, you popped. No, you had to be very careful.

Speaker 35 You had to try to make it gradual. You couldn't like three weeks later be like, yeah, yeah, I could lift a building.

Speaker 35 So he feels invincible. He's hooked on steroids.
He gets a real steroid dealer, a handsome man who would rip off his shirt just by flexing his muscles. Paul Jensen.
Maybe you should get a, but just

Speaker 35 thinking logically, maybe it'd go up a size. Yeah, no.
I don't know. I mean, it's just, do you need to.
I think you keep doing it until you don't have shirts. Yeah.
I don't know.

Speaker 35 And then you're that guy. You're a shirt guy.
Sure. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 35 Pete was only 10 hits shy of 4,000. Wow.
And how many people? That's low. I think two.
Wow.

Speaker 35 At this time. 201 away from Ty Cobb's all-time record of most hits in baseball history.
Another great guy.

Speaker 35 He used to get 200 in a season, but now that might take years. Right.

Speaker 35 And who wanted to have a middle-age hitter who couldn't hit? Right. A first baseman, no range.

Speaker 35 Like the only team to offer him a contract was the Montreal Expos, but they mostly want his name, not their play. Right.

Speaker 35 Because

Speaker 35 you can probably pay him enough that you can make up the salary

Speaker 35 in shirt sales. Right.

Speaker 35 In 1983, the Cincinnati Reds were at their lowest point in 40 years.

Speaker 35 We talking.

Speaker 35 Dick Wagner, the GM, who drove Pete out, also drove out the rest of the team. They're losing so much.
that attendance has dropped to half what it was.

Speaker 35 And this really pissed off the chain-smoking, used car salesman, racist part owner, Marge Schott. Ha ha!

Speaker 35 Friend of show.

Speaker 35 I would love to do an episode about her, but how many times can you use the term N-word? Oh, man, I would really,

Speaker 35 I think our audience, and we would really love to hear

Speaker 35 somebody's comfortable. Quote: Marge had deep Cincinnati roots, old German money, an undying love for large St.

Speaker 35 Bernard dogs, a knack for being the loudest person in the room, and a penchant for saying all the wrong things.

Speaker 35 In Marge's parlance, Jewish people were sneaky Jew bastards, Asian people were japs, black athletes were million-dollar N-words, and Dick Wagner was a buffoon and idiot who deserved to be mocked in the public square.

Speaker 35 Oh, Christ. She was just the worst human being.
Yeah. Yeah.
No, she was she born into money? Yeah. Yes.

Speaker 35 I know her husband, Her husband was part owner and then he died and that's how she got what she got. So maybe she married into it.

Speaker 35 She hired me running the Department of Education.

Speaker 35 She hired a prop plane to fly over the stadium with images of the big red machine greats Tony Press, Joe, Morgan, and Pete that said, Tony, Pete, Joe, help. Love Marge.

Speaker 35 Fucking

Speaker 35 crazy to decide to pull that on your own team. Well, she's part owner, so she doesn't have all the control.

Speaker 35 She planned an I Hate Dick Wagner night at the ballpark with a local radio host raising money from fans for another Skyward banner. This one reading, Pete Rose forever, Dick Wagner never.

Speaker 35 Oh, Jesus Christ. So the rest of the ownership finally comes around.
And

Speaker 35 to the Pete. Well, they have a meeting and they decide.

Speaker 35 We can't fire Dick.

Speaker 35 As her giant St. Bernard was pissing on the floor.
St. Bernard's name is Shotzi.

Speaker 35 they decided to fire Dick Wagner. Okay.
And they brought in the old GM from the big

Speaker 35 red machine days, and he knew how to fill seats.

Speaker 35 So they're really, her great plan is just like, go back to what it was like. Yeah, to when they do the exact same thing from before.
They're all fucking old. Yeah, they're old.

Speaker 35 They needed Pete Rose.

Speaker 35 He can't play, though. So

Speaker 35 he's not good enough to play.

Speaker 35 They killed two birds with one stone by getting rid of their old manager, too. Pete is about to be baseball's last player manager.

Speaker 35 Whoa. The last middle-aged man who could justify wearing a uniform in the dugout.
Wow.

Speaker 35 So Pete's back in Cincinnati. And he's coaching? He's coaching.
He's a player manager. Oh, my God.

Speaker 35 He married Carol.

Speaker 35 He bought a big house. Has another kid.

Speaker 35 He seems to be straightening out his life. Sure.

Speaker 35 I can't believe he's in charge of both. Yeah.
No manager will play Pete Rose. That's why Pete will play Pete Rose.

Speaker 35 I mean, that's what it looks like from the outside, right? That he's putting it all together. But in reality, his gambling is getting way worse.

Speaker 35 It all came from the fact that he simply would not pay people when he didn't feel like paying them. It's the same thing he did with his illegitimate child.
Right.

Speaker 35 He just is like, when he's done, he's done. I'm done.
Sure.

Speaker 35 He owed

Speaker 35 tens of thousands of dollars to a guy and he just ignored him okay

Speaker 35 what's he gonna do he's pete rose what's the guy gonna do kill him okay

Speaker 35 he and tommy would laugh it up at the condo playing catch with stacks of ten thousand dollars he owed to bookies that's fun that's kind of fun

Speaker 35 rolling balls of cash at each other like grounders rolling a ball of cash like a watted ball yeah

Speaker 35 because of this none of the local number runners would take his business

Speaker 35 anymore. So where does he go?

Speaker 35 To Terry's. The mob.
Okay, good.

Speaker 35 Definitely who you. Yep, for sure.
Pete is in deep with a guy known as the skin man from the Dayton Syndicate. Now, well, hold on now, Dave, because it depends.
Why is he called the Skin Man?

Speaker 35 I assume he has a lot of skin?

Speaker 35 That's what I'm hoping for. I'm hoping he looks like the skinny 1,000-pound sister, where it's just he's waiting for the surgery to have it all sort of

Speaker 35 correlated off. Or he's got like a giant walk-in

Speaker 35 freezer and he opens it up and there's just all the skin of the people.

Speaker 35 Yeah, that's that's, I mean, again, it's hard to get specific, but you would start if it is like other people's skin because of deaths, then that's a problem.

Speaker 35 At this point, it's believed that Pete was just betting on football, basketball horses, and obscure sports like High Lie.

Speaker 35 But the skin man has evidence to the contrary.

Speaker 35 And when he showed up to Pete's house unannounced, he came to collect. He just like flies in like a flying squirrel with all of his skin.

Speaker 35 God, Skin Man. That's right, Pete.
I believe you owe me a little money, don't you? What the fuck is coming from the sky?

Speaker 35 But he's not just collecting money.

Speaker 35 The skin man's a smart guy. He knew that he could get something more from Pete.
Yeah. Quote, hey, remember when you made that bet on the Reds back in 77?

Speaker 35 Skin Man asked.

Speaker 35 Pretty much out of the blue. Pete,

Speaker 35 he's like, yeah.

Speaker 35 And he also, okay.

Speaker 35 He agrees to pay him back by the end of spring training. So he's saying, like,

Speaker 35 bitch, I know you bet on baseball. I know.
He's a little bit like a Batman villain, the Skin Man. Yeah, a little bit.
Remember when you bet on those games back in 77, Pete?

Speaker 35 Excuse me. I've got a little bit of cash under this this fold.

Speaker 35 So what Pete knew was that Scamana brought that up for a reason, and

Speaker 35 he had a device, and he was recording it.

Speaker 35 So as soon as he had to... I don't know where it's hidden under all those folds.

Speaker 35 So Pete now goes to Joe Camber, who is a bookie with the Rhode Island mob.

Speaker 35 The Rhode Island mob is the saddest mob.

Speaker 35 Yo, what's up? Yeah, nobody does business in Rhode Island unless they talk to us. Don't make me take off my deck shoes.
What are you gonna do? Go to Connecticut? Probably. Well, no, don't.

Speaker 35 Hold on, wait. That'll take like 10 minutes.
Come on, we're like a sliver.

Speaker 35 Come on, relax. We're the Rhode Island mob.

Speaker 35 Come on, it's just me and my buddy, Tommy. Come on.

Speaker 35 Literally nothing happens in Rhode Island without us knowing about it. I mean, nothing.

Speaker 35 Have a party or something, is what I'm saying. There you go.
You want a pie?

Speaker 35 I mean, it's just a lot of gossip.

Speaker 35 Not great, to be honest with you. We're just kind of.

Speaker 35 The closest casino is like Triawa, so we're just trying. Hey, yeah, Tommy got a boat.

Speaker 35 Yeah, that's it. It's here.
Yeah, it was gossiping. It's just gossiping.

Speaker 35 Ah, look, sit. Tell you what.

Speaker 35 I got nothing. Nothing.
I was just going to.

Speaker 35 Hey, Providence.

Speaker 35 Yeah.

Speaker 35 The Rhode Island mob is kind of.

Speaker 35 That shit. Yeah, that should go.
Okay. I gotta.

Speaker 35 You know what we gotta do tomorrow? What? We gotta take all that change I have and take it to the bank. See

Speaker 35 how many dollar bills there are in there.

Speaker 35 That's gonna be a pretty penny. Don't fuck with us.
Yeah, you come. Hey, you come to the Rhode Island mob, you best win.
Yeah,

Speaker 35 we're gonna make you count change. Yeah, otherwise you pay.
They could just kind of

Speaker 35 go around the states. Oh, God.
I can't pay my rent. No, me either.

Speaker 35 I'm renting all my furniture.

Speaker 35 Okay. Yeah, I just wish my parents had made a move when I was younger.

Speaker 35 It would be a terrible place to stay.

Speaker 35 I don't know.

Speaker 35 Jesus Christ, invest something.

Speaker 35 Whatever. You know what I mean?

Speaker 35 Christ. Holy fuck.
I mean, I do still work at Baskin-Robbins, but.

Speaker 35 Yeah.

Speaker 35 All right. Well, let's maybe meet up tomorrow.

Speaker 35 Yeah. All right.
Hey, don't fuck with with me. Hey, we better watch out.
Yeah. Hey, watch out.
He sleeps with the fishes. All right.

Speaker 35 I mean, it's really a pond.

Speaker 35 Someone took my beach towel.

Speaker 35 Yeah. All right.

Speaker 35 Tell Stacey I said hi. Okay.
Said my best.

Speaker 35 I'm still. Did you say something? No.
Oh, what are you going to say? Nothing. Well, maybe we should kill the guy.
Yeah. I don't have it in the

Speaker 35 equipment. Yeah.

Speaker 35 All right. I get you.
Get you, right?

Speaker 35 I swear to God, I can't do this anymore.

Speaker 35 So there goes the Rhode Island mob. Pete, it's an honor.
I should keep the camera.

Speaker 35 He was bringing out a half million weekend on bets, so

Speaker 35 he doesn't have to go after Pete for late payments because he's rolling in it. Right, okay.

Speaker 35 And Pete liked this arrangement, but the timing isn't great because right as they start their relationship, the Massachusetts State Police begin an undercover operation infiltrating the Rhode Island mob.

Speaker 35 And Pete also at this time had someone cork his bat. Oh.

Speaker 35 So corking a bat makes the bat lighter. So

Speaker 35 bats are kind of heavy. So as you get older, they get harder to swing.
And also it makes it pop, it makes the

Speaker 35 minimum weight a bat has to be. Yes.

Speaker 35 And

Speaker 35 so... Well, the ball also bounces off a little bit because it's got a cork in the middle.
So

Speaker 35 they have more control of the batter's box, more accuracy, easier to find the sweet spot on the bat. You can start your swing later, improve your timing.
It just makes you a better hitter. Sure.

Speaker 35 So Pete was going to do whatever it takes to beat Ty Cobb's record. Sure.

Speaker 35 And this included working out like he never had.

Speaker 35 Tommy tells Pete, go to Gold's Gym. Mr.
Ohio works out there.

Speaker 35 A former U.S., Mr. USA runner-up.

Speaker 35 Some Cincinnati beggles work out there.

Speaker 35 You can get whatever you want there, right they got bench presses tanning beds aerobics steroids cocaine all the idea that he made he just leans into tanning boy I've never seen Pete in this kind of color look at him

Speaker 35 uh steroids and cocaine of course sure the other things that

Speaker 35 um turns out the the owners of golds are uh prolific cocaine dealers right they would sell at the juice bar I mean, I like it. Could I get a, I guess I'll get a green machine.
Okay. And I guess

Speaker 35 give me like an eight-ball cookie. Okay.
All right. No problem.
Just give us a second here. Okay.

Speaker 35 Doing Royds just for tanning. Oh, so good.
I mean, I've never seen a guy stay in the bed this long. He's fucking huge.
He's unbelievable. You got to see the color of Pete right there.
Pete.

Speaker 35 He's a dark burgundy. He's a crazy Pete.
Pete looks like a Merlot. Come, come, Pete.
Pete is very oddly colored.

Speaker 35 Burnt Pete. He's pretty bad, honestly.

Speaker 35 So one of these owners had a connection in South Florida.

Speaker 35 He'd fly down, make a deal, and fly back, and then a mule would drive the Coke back to Ohio. Okay.

Speaker 35 Tommy said, Pete asked the owner, where'd you get all this money? And the owner, quote, cocaine.

Speaker 35 Pete asked how he and Tommy can make money off this.

Speaker 35 And the owner tells Pete to give him $100,000. He can turn it into $200,000 in two weeks.
And Pete's face lights up. Quote, really?

Speaker 35 You're kidding me.

Speaker 35 Yeah, it was very stupid. Tommy later said he was, quote, roided out of my mind at the time, but I'm looking at him like, are you nuts?

Speaker 35 So Tommy, who's put on over 200 pounds of muscle from steroids, is like, hey, Pete, what are we doing? Our decision making is a little off on this one.

Speaker 35 By 1985, the owners were sending down $100,000 per shipment, and Tommy is one of the main mules driving it up.

Speaker 35 He said Pete was financing because he needed the profits to pay his gambling debts. Yeah.
So now he's doing cocaine

Speaker 35 deals to pay his gambling. Sure.

Speaker 35 Tommy wanted to help and of course Tommy wanted to cut.

Speaker 35 Steroids are rampant in the gym. Old ball players do not use steroids to bulk up.

Speaker 35 It helps them recover faster, gain lean muscle, shed fat that comes when your body stops producing as much testosterone. Sure.

Speaker 35 Now, there's no proof that Pete was using steroids, but some have speculated that based on his other proven cheating method of corking his bat and the ubiquity of steroids in the gym, he may have been trying to tip the scales more.

Speaker 35 Sure.

Speaker 35 Usually

Speaker 35 in baseball, when guys

Speaker 35 have a 40-plus spurt of production,

Speaker 35 it's steroids. Right.
And there's definitely guys that people are like, they're amazing. And they, like, David Ortiz, I remember like his last year.
I think it was his last year.

Speaker 35 He just put the team on his back

Speaker 35 and won the World Series, like almost on his own. And people are like, it's amazing.
And I'm like, yeah, I mean, it's clearly steroids.

Speaker 35 When there's so many of those guys in baseball. Yeah.
Yeah. There's a ton.
Like the

Speaker 35 Verlander is a guy that he just keeps pitching. He's pitching for the team.
Yeah. And you're just like, yeah, he's on steroids just to recover.
Yeah, right. Yeah.

Speaker 35 I mean, allegedly.

Speaker 35 But yeah,

Speaker 35 when you get old and you're still playing and you're putting in

Speaker 35 like good

Speaker 35 you're on Reid. You're like, nobody's fucking doing it at 40.

Speaker 35 Did Pete physically change? I don't know if he did. See, that's what I remember.
But again, for a lot of these older guys, it is about recovery. It's about,

Speaker 35 you know.

Speaker 35 Tommy met. a new bookie for Pete at the gym.
He's a massive cokehead named Ron Peters. And Ron.
Get involved. When you meet a huge cokehead at the gym, give him the keys to the castle.
Absolutely.

Speaker 35 Let this guy, this is is who you want to be working with. That's who knows how to get it done.
Yes. If you're doing Cokehead, name and time of Cokeheads lied.
Well,

Speaker 35 who does Coke to party? Everybody.

Speaker 35 Who does Coke to go out on the boat? Everybody, right? Yeah. Who does Coke to go to the gym? A fucking guy who's committed.

Speaker 35 Some of my favorite workouts are from Coke. Oh, my God.
I mean, is there anything more exciting than to do Coke and lift weights?

Speaker 35 No, I mean, the only thing I would say is to do method and hit a spin class. Yeah, it's awesome.
That's great. Sorry, the class was over an hour and a half

Speaker 35 You bite the person cycling next to you.

Speaker 35 Ron told everyone Pete was betting with him and even put Pete on a speakerphone in front of his buddies.

Speaker 35 So you're telling me that when you meet a cokehead at the gym and just start gambling with them with no vetting at all, it puts you in a bit of a compromised situation with your vice that is taking over your professional life.

Speaker 35 Yeah, it's not, yeah. It's interesting because I don't know.
It's almost like addicts make bad decisions. There's a guy, I've been hanging out with an Adderall head at Bally's.
Yeah.

Speaker 35 And this guy, I've given him everything. He knows everything about me.
Yeah. He's given Social Security, everything.
Yeah.

Speaker 35 I do Molly with a guy at 24 Hours Fitness. Oh, I love that.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 35 I do a lot of toad poison with a guy at 24.

Speaker 35 You just meet these guys. Yeah.
They're great guys.

Speaker 35 So Pete's now reckless. He's now betting as much as $15,000 per day on college hoops and the NBA, obscure college sports.
Man, if the Ocho had been around.

Speaker 35 Well, the truth is that the deeper someone gets into a gambling problem, the more the sports just become obscure because you want to do it every moment of every day.

Speaker 35 So you start finding like it's ping-pong, it's sumo. I mean, I truly believe that one of the reasons you're seeing all these changes in sports is because ESPN's getting into gambling.

Speaker 35 They're all getting into gambling. And one of the reasons ESPN is putting on the Ocho, which is...
Right.

Speaker 35 I mean, have you seen it? No. It's like the other day I watched, you know, the

Speaker 35 basketball shooting game in bars? Oh, Papa Shot. Yeah, I watched the championship.
What the fuck?

Speaker 35 It was crazy. But clearly, three of them had never really done it that much.
One guy was really good, but I was just like laughing. Me and Finn are watching, and I'm just like, this is crazy.

Speaker 35 And then I'm like, oh, it's because of the degenerate gamblers. Wouldn't it be a lot more fun?

Speaker 35 I mean, I know when I, because I have like a betting league each year where you just get a thousand points for a few hundred dollars, it starts to dry. It really makes sports more interesting.

Speaker 35 That's why I'm like, I can't dabble with this. And so if you have a bunch of guys at an OTB and there's that, they'll bet on that.

Speaker 35 They'll bet on it. They'll bet on that.
Absolutely. So, that's what the OJO is for.

Speaker 35 I'm going to put a nine on a Frank on the

Speaker 35 Cornhole Championship.

Speaker 35 I mean, then you are sitting there just like, O'Neill needs to hit a better shuttlecock.

Speaker 35 It's crazy. You're just like, I don't know anything.
You call that a fucking astro, Bobby. That's not how you fence.

Speaker 35 Come on.

Speaker 35 So, so yeah, he's betting a lot of fucking money. 2,000 here, 3,000 there, 10 G's on a game.
He's trying to make... No way this guy can hold a downward dog that long.

Speaker 35 He's trying to make, like you said, everything is interesting when you do that. So at the ballpark, his career is crescendoing.

Speaker 35 On September 11th, 1985, Pete Rose broke Ty Cobb's all-time hit record with his 4,192nd hit. At first base, the standing room-only crowd gave him a nine-minute nine-minute standing ovation.

Speaker 35 Just sit down, would you? It's too much for Pete, and he cracks. He's actually showing a little vulnerability for the first time in his life, and he starts to cry.

Speaker 35 And he's anxiously wiping away tears with his two-glove finger over his nose.

Speaker 35 50-year-old Pete Jr., he's in the dugout. He doesn't know what to do.

Speaker 35 He'd never seen his dad like this. And a player pushes him out and goes, go, get out there.
Beat him up. Get out with your dad.
Kick your dad.

Speaker 35 Try to take that.

Speaker 35 Look how weak your dad is. Put a fucking shoulder into that guy.
Come on, good lord. And he runs to his father, and Pete hugs his son tight and tells him he loves him.
And Pete Jr.

Speaker 35 went on to describe it: quote, I've never experienced that. My first father-son moment.

Speaker 35 Wow. What just is he saying that sort of sentiment? Like, he's

Speaker 35 wow. He's like, it was amazing.
It was the first time my dad was there for me.

Speaker 35 And he did it because everyone was watching. It was perfect.
It was the first time in his 15 years he remembers his dad hugging him.

Speaker 35 What the fuck?

Speaker 35 Fuck.

Speaker 35 Later that season, in the middle of a game, Pete got another player's son to tell him exactly when the Kentucky Derby was starting so he, the manager of the team, could leave the game and watch.

Speaker 35 That's the other part, too. Ah, fuck.
I mean, Marge Schott being like at the helm of this.

Speaker 35 I have a person who's like, oh, yeah, I'm going to go watch another sport because I'm gambling. Yeah.

Speaker 35 But it worked, probably, right? I mean, it was like, as far as like attendance, it was probably helpful. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 35 Jesus Christ.

Speaker 35 Yeah, I think we really do. There is something, you know,

Speaker 35 the infallibility of sports is so interesting because it's...

Speaker 35 The way that we know these people are actually pieces of shit, but if they can perform, I mean, the NFL does it all the time where it's just like, you know, there's no interest in,

Speaker 35 it's not even hiring a high character individual, like, which is like terminology they use, but it is just like

Speaker 35 you just,

Speaker 35 it allows people to be such fucking assholes. Sports really, like, Ben Rothlessberger is like a,

Speaker 35 he's

Speaker 35 a rapist. He's a rapist.
I mean, these are, Deshaun Watson was given a huge contract after committing sexual misconduct, I guess would be the lightest term for it. I mean,

Speaker 35 and and the reason that Sanders wasn't drafted in the fifth round was because he was entitled. If he had been

Speaker 35 a sexual assault, like a guy who drafted way above him, it's fine. Yeah, no, absolutely.
They really, the line for

Speaker 35 it is purely financial, financially based. I mean, I remember when the Cowboys hired, I can't remember that dude's name, but he was like, he was, he was, if you see the

Speaker 35 crime scene photos

Speaker 35 of what he did to his wife. It's crazy.

Speaker 35 And that stuff still comes out. Ray Rice is not in the NFL because of what he did.
It's because there was footage of what he did.

Speaker 35 The NFL knew what he did. They had the accounts.
It was all there. And it wasn't until the footage got released that Ray Rice was cut from the NFL.

Speaker 35 Yeah, I mean, like we said, you know, earlier, like early on in this, the first episode, they found that umpires were gambling. There's no way they didn't have it on Rose.

Speaker 35 There's no way they didn't know when he was hanging out with Terry Rubio that he was involved in some sort of gambling shoot. They knew.
They had to have known.

Speaker 35 And it really is like, it is on the consumer.

Speaker 35 This is the same thing with like politics.

Speaker 35 We expect the shitbags. The shitbags are going to be the biggest shitbags, and they're going to put whatever shitbags we allow to be the shitbags.
As long as the thing is,

Speaker 35 you have to at some point have some line where you just go, yeah, you know what? I'm not going to do do this.

Speaker 35 You can turn away from your team for a fucking year. I did it.
Yeah. The Deshaun Watson one was where I was like, fuck the Greg Hardy.
That was the guy's name who beat the shit out of his wife.

Speaker 35 But I did it for a year where, and it was like, I really thought there were going to be more people who hit a break. No point.
But they just don't.

Speaker 35 Every year, some team cuts some player because he beat the shit out of his wife. He, you know, did whatever, abusive in some manner, and some other team picks him up because that's allowed.

Speaker 35 If the NFL just took one season and just said, we're not going to allow people who physically abuse significant others,

Speaker 35 that would probably make it so that these people

Speaker 35 at least considered what they were doing a little bit. But when you create a world where they can do whatever the fuck they want, they will.
Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 35 one of the biggest wide receivers, oh, God, what's his name? The guy from Miami.

Speaker 38 Oh,

Speaker 35 yeah, yeah.

Speaker 35 Tyreek Hill. Yeah, he just got arrested for abusing domestic abuse, right?

Speaker 35 You know, they just keep doing it. Unless you tell them no or you don't vote with your wallet, you still just don't turn on the fucking, you cannot watch a game for a fucking time.

Speaker 35 How's he going to get rid of it? When you really look back at the Roffelsberger stuff, it was like

Speaker 35 it is absolutely insane. It's like he is at a bar, like having someone stand guard outside the bathroom while he's sexually assaulting a woman.
And he's still playing.

Speaker 35 Netflix is about to do a FARV documentary. It comes out soon.
Oh, shit. Oh, yeah.
And it's fucking...

Speaker 35 I mean, I don't have Netflix right now, but I mean, I already know a lot of it.

Speaker 35 Like,

Speaker 35 a lot of it is just, you know, it is. It's like,

Speaker 35 it's hard to confront it, but you have to just go like, yeah, you know what? This fucking dude who was my, like...

Speaker 35 gave me so much entertainment as a kid because he could throw a ball accurately.

Speaker 35 Guess what?

Speaker 35 He's actually not the best guy.

Speaker 35 Ronaldo was

Speaker 35 Ronaldo, was accused of sexual assault, and I didn't even know. When he came back on the Manchester Night, I was like, hey, our guy's back.
And someone was like, yeah, he's a rapist. I'm like, what?

Speaker 35 Like, it was so, like, not a part of coverage here.

Speaker 35 So you can't expect our society to start to balance out in any capacity if you have carve-outs for the people that we idolize doing the things we're supposed to vilify and letting them get away with it because the product is entertaining.

Speaker 35 But there will be punishment for Pete Rose.

Speaker 35 Sources: Charlie Hussele, The Rise and Fall of Pete Rose, and The Last Glory Days of Baseball by Keith O'Brien. Charlie Hussell and the Matter of Pete Rose by Mark Monroe.

Speaker 35 The Hit King, Pete Rose in Purgatory by Scott Rabb, Baseballreverence.com, and the research was done by Josh Androwski. Good work, Josh, a boy.

Speaker 35 There you go. All right.

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