E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé

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Speaker 1 What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I'm your host, Nick.
And is Cowboy Carter a country album?

Speaker 4 Here's the thing. I have some stats pro and against, if you guys would like to hear that.

Speaker 1 She's a cowgirl. I firstly, I first didn't care.
I was like, happy for Beyonce. And then I did start seeing some videos of people listening to songs on the album.
Cherry-picking, as you will.

Speaker 1 Maybe so. That's definitely, as the internet does.
Yeah, the internet is.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I guess it would like you get, you know, country song of the year. But yeah, if they're not all country songs on the album, how do you get country albums?

Speaker 1 There was definitely at least some videos I saw, certainly cherry-picked, uh, that I was like, oh, yeah, okay.

Speaker 4 Well, you know, I'm a stat queen, I love stats, so I have some stats about it.

Speaker 1 Um,

Speaker 4 self-proclaimed.

Speaker 4 So, the argument, self-procream, stat queen here, the argument for Beyoncé Cowboy Carter being a country album is she's from Texas, country state, you know, lead singer from Wisconsin, like

Speaker 4 Texas,

Speaker 3 but I don't know if we necessarily claim Texas as like the cowboy, but it's cowboy.

Speaker 4 Okay. Rodeo.

Speaker 4 And also.

Speaker 1 Listen, she's making an argument. Okay.

Speaker 4 I have against arguments as well. I'm unbiased.
Texas Rode.

Speaker 1 Mary is unbiased.

Speaker 4 I'm unbiased. Has banjo in it.
There is a banjo.

Speaker 4 In the song Sweet Honey Bucking, which first off called Sweet Honey Bucking,

Speaker 4 Beyonce says, look at that horse.

Speaker 1 Look at that horse. Look at that horse.

Speaker 4 Horses, big themes in country music.

Speaker 1 It's true.

Speaker 4 Dolly Parton, Willie Nelsi, and Shibuzzi on the album.

Speaker 1 Willie Nelson.

Speaker 4 Willie Nelson. Willie Nelsie.
Also, even though Beyonce never released country music before, neither did Post Malone, and now he has one too.

Speaker 4 Also, she has a song about alligators, which to my southern culture is country. The argument against.

Speaker 3 It's more like swampy.

Speaker 4 Swampy, but swamp is country.

Speaker 1 Don't you have one on your farm?

Speaker 4 You ever drink a bush light riding on a riding on a boat through the Everglades? That's country. And you see an alligator right there?

Speaker 5 A little bush light.

Speaker 3 A bush. A little John boat, yeah.

Speaker 1 A little bush lights. Definitely country.
Those people are definitely listening in country music.

Speaker 3 Exactly. But how many songs total are on album?

Speaker 4 How many songs total are on album? Let's see.

Speaker 1 The album? What's our? Only Cowboy Carter. On album.

Speaker 1 On record.

Speaker 6 We speak in shorthand these days.

Speaker 7 One of the songs is called American Requiem.

Speaker 4 27. 27

Speaker 1 songs.

Speaker 5 That's actually a lot of songs.

Speaker 1 So many.

Speaker 4 And it's an art piece.

Speaker 3 If there's 12 songs that are fully country, it's a country album. Okay,

Speaker 4 here's the argument against. Beyonce has not previously released a country album.

Speaker 1 Don't care about that.

Speaker 4 Experimenting with the genre.

Speaker 4 She raps in spaghetti, but that is spaghetti western. It's one of those.

Speaker 7 It's a country.

Speaker 1 Yes. Yeah, but like country.

Speaker 1 Country.

Speaker 4 Jason Aldean has rapped in Dirt Road Anthem.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Florida George Lion had Nelly and a bunch of. Yes.

Speaker 4 The album overall does combine many genres, which is the point of it. So it's kind of a genre-less album by design.

Speaker 3 Well, then how do you win win a genre award if it's a genre-less album exactly and then also and maybe

Speaker 4 and maybe the most important part country musicians typically drive big trucks and drink a lot of beer with songs focusing on these two things

Speaker 4 beyoncé does neither of those things in the album does she have a dog i don't know see kind of need a dog kind of need a dog

Speaker 1 you need a dog you need a lifted four-wheeler you need a hitch does daisy have a lifted truck maybe one i say this is a total outsider because i definitely have embraced country music over the past couple years but like i'm definitely not part of the gang like i would love to be welcomed but like i don't think i'm really in a position to like you may yee haw but you don't haw yee yeah sure who who were our other nominees the other nominees good question casey musgraves i think she

Speaker 4 was post malon country album

Speaker 1 of the year nominee. I just feel like for the longest of times, times, country music was excluded from like all the other award shows.

Speaker 1 It's like country music wasn't even welcomed at like the Grammys or the AMAs and stuff like that. So they like created their own industry.

Speaker 1 And now that it's popping, all the other musical like geniuses want to get a part of the nookie, you know?

Speaker 4 Well, Beyonce Cowboy Carter goes back to 2016 when Beyonce performed with the chicks at the CMAs. The chicks.
The chicks.

Speaker 1 The Dixie Chicks. They rebranded to the chicks.

Speaker 4 They rebranded to the chicks.

Speaker 1 yeah, after they got canceled by the country music.

Speaker 4 Well, they didn't get canceled for that, but anyway, so she at 2016, CMAs, Beyonce and the Chicks performed daddy lessons off of Beyonce's Lemonade, which is a country song.

Speaker 4 And that performance, banger, Kenny Chesney, and many other people pissed about it. They're so mad Beyoncé's there.
Beyonce takes that personally.

Speaker 3 A la, Michael Jordan.

Speaker 4 And she makes Cowboy Carter and then wins Best Country album.

Speaker 7 Michael Jordan.

Speaker 1 Michael Jordan.

Speaker 4 And I took that personally.

Speaker 1 Okay, wait. So

Speaker 3 who else was nominated?

Speaker 4 We have Cowboy Carter, obviously. Higher by Chris Stapleton.
Oh. Deeper Well, Casey Musgraves, banger album.
F1 Trillion, Post Malone, Whirlwind, Laney Wilson.

Speaker 3 I'm going to be honest, if Chris Stapleton is in the mix, how is he not winning?

Speaker 4 But would you not say he's more southern rock?

Speaker 1 No. No.

Speaker 4 Casey Musgraves, also great.

Speaker 1 This sounds like Beyonce won this award because she's Beyonce.

Speaker 3 Or is it because Chris Stapleton didn't have a banjo in his album? Chris Stapleton has a banjo in his album.

Speaker 4 Chris Stapleton has a banjo out of the womb.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Chris Stapleton was born with a banjo.

Speaker 1 Post Malone, though, on a trailer hitch. F1 Trillage.
Trailer. F on a Trillium.

Speaker 4 Post Malone goes from trap to country, and that's okay.

Speaker 1 Have you seen Post Malone's first musical video? It's awesome.

Speaker 1 Musical video?

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Music video.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Performance.

Speaker 1 Sweet. That's me.

Speaker 1 You're welcome.

Speaker 4 That's giving away still emotional.

Speaker 3 Nick's also still saying it's a bop.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 We're not calling songs a bop? No. What is it? We can't.
What are the kids saying? Cronk.

Speaker 1 Please don't say cronk.

Speaker 1 No, I'm not.

Speaker 1 That's so cruel. Not very sabotaging.
Yeah, please don't. Yeah, say cronk.

Speaker 7 People that say bop think that Monday is the first day of the week.

Speaker 1 Leo thinks Monday is the first day of the week.

Speaker 3 Monday is the first day of the week.

Speaker 5 It's not.

Speaker 4 I think you guys are dominated by the work week.

Speaker 7 I am not saying Monday is the first day of the week.

Speaker 3 Sunday.

Speaker 1 But it's just not.

Speaker 1 But it is. Looks like your calendar is.
That's such a genzy thing to say. I'm just going to decide what it is for me because it makes my feelings a little bit.

Speaker 3 No, it just is what makes sense. Like you're what you're doing on the weekend.
And then, oh, Monday is the start of your week. You're like, oh, let me get my shit.
We're going into work.

Speaker 4 But if you look at the calendar, you're still smoking weed on Sunday.

Speaker 3 And like you say that, like,

Speaker 3 oh, it's the weekend. Okay, well, if it's the weekend, it can't be the first of the week.

Speaker 1 That's like someone working third shift saying 5 p.m. is the morning.

Speaker 4 To them it is.

Speaker 1 Sure.

Speaker 4 But also you're you're saying that the week starts on Monday because you have a Monday through Friday job. Some people work on the weekends.

Speaker 1 Boom.

Speaker 3 Also, open up your calendar app. What day of the week starts the week? Who invented the calendar app?

Speaker 6 According to most Western calendars, Sunday is considered the first day of the week. However, the International Standard ISO 8601

Speaker 6 designates Monday as the first day of the week.

Speaker 4 That sounds like nerds think Monday is the first day of the week.

Speaker 1 Freaking crimes is baby. Have you ever heard of the Sunday scaries?

Speaker 4 It's because your week has already started. Yep.

Speaker 1 No, that's because your weekend's over and you're going into the week.

Speaker 4 So you just said the weekend's over, so the beginning of the week is Sunday.

Speaker 1 At 12 o'clock.

Speaker 3 At 12 o'clock a.m.

Speaker 1 It's over.

Speaker 3 Weekend's over.

Speaker 1 So you have Sunday scaries because you're like, no, I'm scared. You're a Monday?

Speaker 3 Monday is the beginning of the week. And Monday is my favorite day of the week because it's like, well, actually, not really anymore.

Speaker 1 She used to say that when she like.

Speaker 3 It used to be because that was the day

Speaker 3 when she was in the industry you know well that was my favorite surgery day okay you made that so i loved industry sounded kind of ominous like i was like what sitting on a couch

Speaker 3 like casting couch oh my god why was why was monday the best day for surgery because it was my favorite i was doing orthopedics and it was my favorite surgery day and so i was like monday's my favorite day of the week and nick was like i've never heard that before that's a stupid

Speaker 1 I said stupid. I think so.

Speaker 3 And then now I'm like, okay, it's not. And you're like, yeah, you used to say that because you used to want to be like different and quirky.

Speaker 1 Maybe

Speaker 3 I'm not like all the other girls.

Speaker 1 Maybe you just love it.

Speaker 3 I love Monday.

Speaker 1 She is so interesting. My girlfriend.
Yes. 4 a.m.
is the best.

Speaker 1 Is your girlfriend a little bit younger than you? But yeah, but don't worry. She thinks Monday is the coolest day of the week.

Speaker 4 What day of the week do you think I'm different?

Speaker 3 I think 4 a.m. is the best time to get up because you get so many things done before you start your day.

Speaker 1 Exactly. I like to work out at 4 a.m.

Speaker 1 Well, we have an amazing episode. What?

Speaker 6 I was just going to circle us back to the Grammys for a second because I wanted to say justice for babyface.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we forgot to talk about that on well, Tuesday's episode. I think most people have seen this by now, but did they, did those ladies get fired?

Speaker 7 No, but I think most

Speaker 7 well, I don't know, but most people also haven't seen that. They apologized right after, too.

Speaker 4 So, like, they did apologize immediately.

Speaker 7 Because people are clipping the them interrupting it and not giving the context of like, so when she apologized, she was like, I just want to formally say, like, I'm really sorry to babyface and like the people watching.

Speaker 7 Like, I was being tapped on the shoulder and a lot of people were saying, like chapel chapel chapel so it was like she was kind of pressured to then like interrupt it and then she immediately was like i'm sorry that was like but then she tried to defend it with like i'm such a big fan of babyface and it's like okay name your top five babyface songs no but it's just like you can't say you're a fan and like get your way out of things just because you're like such a big fan of them someone deserves to get fired maybe maybe it wasn't them i mean they're getting death threats online so it's like that's too far that's crazy i've seen a lot of comments and stuff where it's like they were just doing their jobs jobs and maybe they did it wrong because someone was tapping on their shoulder but like it's definitely possible that it's not their fault like doing those red carpet interviews are they're hard it's like it's live it's in real time it's very fast yet people come in and out like sometimes you're really gonna teleprompter which

Speaker 1 for me that's that's a nightmare but yeah you have producers and cameramen all around you that you got like someone in your ear like literally you have a phony mic in your ear so like But someone deserves to be fired.

Speaker 1 Maybe not those two ladies because it may be like maybe someone was like, hey, it's Chapel. Like, get Chapel, Chapel, Chapel, Chapel, Chapel, Chapel, Chapel, Chapel, Chapel, Chapel, Chapel.

Speaker 1 And they're like, I, okay. Like, I, you know, and they were listening to someone, but whoever

Speaker 1 made that call deserves to be fired. They must, they have to be.
Like, also, then it puts like Chapel in such a bad look, right?

Speaker 1 Because, like, all the Babyface fans, like, you know, like, you know, you know, there's some asshole out there, like, blaming Chapel for this.

Speaker 3 I think that's what I saw was that it was like people

Speaker 1 pitting that fans.

Speaker 4 No, she did not do anything. She literally was just existing.

Speaker 1 But like someone whoever, like, babyface was in a mid-sentence. Yeah.
He was just like, hey, what's your favorite day of the week? And he was like, let me tell you why Monday is.

Speaker 1 And he was just getting in like point three. And they just said, get the fuck out of the way.

Speaker 6 He was so respectful about it, though.

Speaker 4 He was. Every time he closes his eyes.

Speaker 7 What are you supposed to do, though? Like, well, babyface, he couldn't be like, I'm talking.

Speaker 1 No, I loved how he handled it. He had very gracious, grace, graciously, graciously.

Speaker 3 Yeah, the reporters need to ask him, when can I see you again?

Speaker 4 So true.

Speaker 1 Sorry, we're throwing around babyface references.

Speaker 4 My mom loves baby face.

Speaker 1 Is there any chance? No,

Speaker 1 that would be somehow blaming chapel.

Speaker 3 A collaboration? What?

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 collab. Chapel has been proven to be a bit prickly on the red carpet.
So, like, maybe they were just like, ooh, this is our only moment to get chapel. Cause like, well, what if she doesn't come?

Speaker 4 Then they don't get chapel.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 I feel like it's more so she would have been like, don't scream my name like that in front of babyface.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Don't scream at me.

Speaker 4 In front of babyface.

Speaker 3 That made me so. Sorry, we just, she couldn't hear us because we didn't want to yell.
We were whispering.

Speaker 1 Anyway, we got a great episode for you lined up today. But before we let you know all about that, don't forget to listen to the Going Deeper episode with Carl Racky.

Speaker 1 That dropped yesterday for all you Summerhouse fans out there or just Bravo fans in general. Really enjoyed getting to know Carl.
It was a lovely,

Speaker 1 lovely interview.

Speaker 1 You know, I really love a, I really appreciate it, especially when we think someone like it might be too afraid to come on. I think he was very open, adorable,

Speaker 1 honest. I really feel like I got to know the guy, right? I have so much respect for him.

Speaker 3 And he looks great.

Speaker 1 He looks fantastic. Very tall.
He's really been through a lot. Very tall.

Speaker 5 Certified hot.

Speaker 3 I was waiting for the married woman to say it.

Speaker 1 You want to jump?

Speaker 1 You want to jump Carl's bones?

Speaker 3 Did you not?

Speaker 1 No. Well, he's

Speaker 1 objectively hot. He's hot.

Speaker 4 He told me he liked my Steelers jacket because he's from Pittsburgh. And I was like, okay.

Speaker 1 Okay. So hot and so sweet.
I think we all got a little like, okay, Carl.

Speaker 7 A lot of comments were confused by like his jean cut on the bottom because it was like yoga, but also kind of boot cut, but also like flair.

Speaker 1 It was a little flair.

Speaker 1 It was given fashion. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It was in bags.

Speaker 1 It was a flare.

Speaker 7 But also skinny gene-ish.

Speaker 3 It was skinny, skinny, skinny, skinny flair.

Speaker 1 But isn't it like kind of hard for Tallgos to shop?

Speaker 3 Isn't he, wasn't he like known as like skinny gene queen?

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, so he's might say good for him for branching out, and that's without a girlfriend,

Speaker 3 period. But he is fucking

Speaker 1 wow, he gets into all that in that episode. Yeah, I gotta say, I give, you know,

Speaker 1 give a lot of credit to a middle-aged man. I say that as one myself, who got away, got outside of the skinny jeans without a girlfriend.
You didn't, I know, no, exactly.

Speaker 1 It took like it took you shaming me, you know.

Speaker 3 She said, what are those?

Speaker 1 Still. She's like, woo, those are tight.
Still. Those are tight.

Speaker 3 I can see your veins through your jeans. We should probably change.

Speaker 3 Only one of us.

Speaker 1 And I got big old meaty thighs. And sometimes.

Speaker 3 Nick has a booty.

Speaker 1 And yeah.

Speaker 1 Sometimes it was like.

Speaker 4 You don't need to look like a gymnast.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 it was.

Speaker 4 It's giving some molar.

Speaker 1 It was a pair of like tights. For sure.
I was always

Speaker 1 leggings. I was sticking it.

Speaker 5 I'm just imagining you in those jeans.

Speaker 1 Well, Maddie Reese from Southern Hospitality is joining us in a little bit. And then Rebecca Minkoff from Roni will be joining us.
We started watching the reunion.

Speaker 3 We gave up on the rest of the season, but started on the reunion. Sometimes that's all you need to do.

Speaker 3 I was like, the season was so slow that I'm like, I think the reunions were so good that by the end of the second reunion, I was like, I actually don't want any of the cast members to be replaced.

Speaker 3 And I'm kind of curious to see what happens next.

Speaker 1 Ooh. Right? We've been excited to talk to Rebecca.
I didn't know what to expect going into like booking her. And then we watched last night's episode.

Speaker 1 I wasn't anticipating like asking much about the Scientology.

Speaker 1 It feels a little even uncomfy to say, you know,

Speaker 3 because a cloud would be like Scientology in the room with us.

Speaker 1 Yeah, anyway, we were like, hey, listen, we're not that interested in like, you know, I'm not here to like interrogate people about their religion. We don't talk about religion on this show.
Right.

Speaker 1 But then like, she walked out and it was this 10 minutes of them talking about Scientology. So I don't really know where we go with this.
So we shall see.

Speaker 1 My big thing is someone who was raised Catholic. I have a lot of great experiences from growing up Catholic, great memories, but I can acknowledge that the Catholic Church

Speaker 1 has their sins.

Speaker 1 And there's some people in positions of power in the Catholic Church who don't deserve to be or who have done some very terrible things, you know, and I can acknowledge that as a Catholic person.

Speaker 1 And I think sometimes the struggle people have with Scientology is that like there are some serious accusations about about people in that community and people have some questions and when these people have these questions they're like

Speaker 3 it's really helped me with my communication skills I can give you a book recommendation and you should read it for yourself and see what what conclusions you come to it so it's like it's a little tricky anyways we have Rebecca Minkoff on later and uh we'll see how it goes she seems like a really nice person though she does and i do have some questions about like how she feels about the cast after the fact and it seems like they hate her well and it was also announced that she's not coming back or that she was fired from this cast of roni that was not a group of women who think she's boring and they may think she's boring but when she walked out there that's true on that reunion they all hated her and then when they got done roasting her and then like blaming her for the prank they were just like all right you can leave now and then it was kind of awesome but it felt very mean it did yeah it was it felt mean girl it felt it was very mean it felt mean she deserves some empathy is it because of scientology um i just i think it's a mixture of things i think it's also the fact that like she wasn't as forthcoming or open about this scientology but also because it's like there was the clip where she said she was using this as a platform to like promote her business so i'm like maybe she wasn't being as forthcoming and authentic even in downtown moments i don't understand how people can be upset with her for not sharing about scientology when jenna lines doesn't open up about anything fair point fair yeah So it's like, this is just like, this is a religion to her.

Speaker 3 Why does she have to open up about her religion and Jenna Lions doesn't have to open up about any any personal parts of her own life.

Speaker 3 And piggybacking off of what you just said, I'm also kind of like, I feel like there's so many other conversations that could have been had with her about her family, about her.

Speaker 3 I know nothing about her relationship, her kids, how she grew her business. So I'm like, there is a lot that could have been shared that also wasn't and nobody wanted to explore outside of.

Speaker 1 Right. I feel like it's a Bold More.

Speaker 7 That's where I think she needs empathy.

Speaker 7 And I agree where she said, like, I was used for a storyline specifically for something and that this was not the place for me to even share what I believe because it was immediately, regardless of what I would say, be criticized.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 4 yeah so we have some questions yeah i do think i think bravo did use her i agree so i'm excited to chat with her but that's what housewives do that's what they do and it's like i know but they used her not like they use everyone else you're right about the gen alliance thing jen alliance gets a pass that's certainly irritating me yeah yeah i mean i loved her this reunions though i was like i haven't heard her speak up and like kind of come combat with other people be compatible with other people the way that she was this way where she was like even with bryn or anybody she was like no this is inherently wrong so it was like it was nice to hear her speak up and actually have an opinion on things oh well we'll get into roni a little bit later when we have rebecca on we also have maddie rees from southern hospitality excited to chat with her what is this reese witherspoon stuff so basically reese witherspoon did an interview with people where she said um that she mistakenly roasted her friend at a very serious award ceremony she said it literally haunts me so this friend of mine who i didn't really know that well but she was a very serious proper actress she asked me to give her an award i had never been to this award ceremony so i thought it was like a roast.

Speaker 4 So I got up and I roasted her. She said the event was British, elegant, and clasty.
So it's the BAFTAs, and that she got the tone completely wrong while cracking jokes in her speech.

Speaker 4 Apparently, Rhys said in her speech, remember that time we got laser hair removal? And she is still embarrassed about it.

Speaker 4 And the actress is no longer friends with her and stopped talking to her afterwards. People thought it was Kate Winslet.
Rhys then posted on her Instagram story and said it's not Kate Winslet.

Speaker 1 And you think it's Kate Blanchett?

Speaker 3 I mean, we don't spread rumors on this show, so.

Speaker 1 Well, we can speculate. I mean, rumor.
I mean, Rhys is putting it out there.

Speaker 4 That's true.

Speaker 1 Maybe a Kate Blanchette. I don't know.

Speaker 4 Kate Blanchette. But Kate Blanchette has, I feel like, has a good sense of humor.

Speaker 3 And it says that she presented to Kate Blanchette at the Golden Globes.

Speaker 4 That's

Speaker 4 a famously non-classy event.

Speaker 1 This can't be hard to figure out.

Speaker 3 I mean, the only one I'm seeing right now is Kate Wynne slid at the BAFTA's 2007. But there's I wonder if people just figured it out so fast that Reese is like, nope, nope, nope.

Speaker 1 Keep working.

Speaker 1 No. Give me her.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 She's definitely like.

Speaker 1 Like, she didn't think anyone would figure it out and then they did in five seconds and she was like no no no no no no no no no oh no it's happening again now Kate Winslow really hates her because like everyone loves Reese Ritherspoon and the way she tells the story from her POV even I'm kind of like kind of get over it Kate but then maybe maybe from the other POV it's like you worked really hard in this like really serious dramatic

Speaker 4 and this girl that you don't know super well this American like southern woman comes in at this British award show everyone's really stuffy and then starts talking about laser hair removal you're like oh my god why why isn't Reese getting notes?

Speaker 1 Like, why is Reese winging it? Like, why, why isn't anyone being like, Hey, like, just go up there and say what you feel? Yeah, I don't know. Do you have a speech?

Speaker 1 We should we put on the teleprompter. No one was like,

Speaker 1 Oh my god, she's just

Speaker 4 yeah, I don't know. I've never watched the BAFTA.
Except for

Speaker 1 Chinese work.

Speaker 3 My whole thing is that I'm like, all you could have said was it was at an award show at some point, or a very fancy ceremony, but like you literally gave like it's a British

Speaker 1 elegant award.

Speaker 1 Say that person's name, Reese.

Speaker 3 It's googleableable you gave us all the hints say it with your chest

Speaker 1 i wouldn't be mad stars are just like us marcus jordan apparently just really upset he's not on traders anymore uh got a dui arrested for cocaine possession and was singing on his way to jail not connected to traders not connected to traders well i was speculating he's really sad because marcus jordan was on traders last season with his ex-girlfriend larsa this is a fear for us darling what is a fear for us?

Speaker 1 I'm just saying, like, I just, I think we, we work really hard and aspire to be good people and, and, uh, and be the leaders in our lives.

Speaker 1 And, uh, we, we both come from a lack of privilege in a lot of ways in our upbringing. And I think that has shaped us.

Speaker 3 But we've also made mistakes in life. And I'm, and maybe this is just Marcus Jordan making a mistake in life.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 Yeah, sure. Yeah.
But, you know, his dad is a billionaire.

Speaker 3 But that doesn't mean he can't make mistakes.

Speaker 1 True, true, true. I'm just saying.

Speaker 3 I mean, I definitely think anyone who is getting arrested for a DUI deserves criticism? 100%. Yeah.
DUI. I mean, you're putting other people's lives at risk.
You're, you know.

Speaker 1 I didn't think, you know, you know, it's just, it's tough to, it's, it's, it's tough to be very careful.

Speaker 3 He's committed to drinking at a gentleman's club earlier in the evening, did not undergo a breathalyzer test, did not perform well on the three-field sobriety test.

Speaker 3 After he was placed under arrest, Jordan had his pocket search with cops reportedly finding a substance testing positive for cocaine. He was reportedly singing the entire way to jail.

Speaker 3 Page six confirmed that Marcus's bond was set at $4,000.

Speaker 1 That's it.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it doesn't seem to be. That's it.
You get arrested for DUI and cocaine. And they're like, yeah, sure, four grand.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's also Florida.

Speaker 3 State by state. I was like, here it's a minimum $10,000 just for like the first offense.

Speaker 4 Who's in Orange County, Florida, which is like Orlando.

Speaker 1 Do you think he calls his dad?

Speaker 3 He's 34 years old. Dad, I just got arrested.
Can you bail me out? I'm sure he calls his dad's assistant.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah, one of them.

Speaker 3 Jim, I did it again. Can you come get me? That's it.
I mean, to be singing on the way to jail, like you're not worried about anything.

Speaker 1 Sarah Michelle Geller is returning as Buffy the Vampire Slayer in a reboot. Very excited about this.
Can you watch it? It really shaved me as a young man. Really?

Speaker 1 Who's your favorite? Buffy. Buffy boy.

Speaker 4 Okay, well, besides Buffy, obviously.

Speaker 1 I honestly don't, I didn't watch it like a lot. I probably wasn't allowed to at that time in my life, but I did have the hots for her.

Speaker 3 Sarah Michelle Geller or Jennifer Love Hewitt?

Speaker 1 Jennifer Love Hewitt. Was it in her heyday? Yeah.

Speaker 3 Wow.

Speaker 4 I just think it was funny that she said, it's funny. I always used to say no to the reboot because it's in a bubble and it's so perfect.

Speaker 4 But watching Sex in the City, meaning watching, and just like that.

Speaker 1 That made her want to do it? Yes.

Speaker 1 And Dexter.

Speaker 4 And Dexter, because Dexter is getting a reboot. Uma Thurman's going to be in it.

Speaker 1 Dexter has had a reboot.

Speaker 4 It's getting another one.

Speaker 1 Another one? Huh?

Speaker 4 He's still...

Speaker 1 I think it's an origin season.

Speaker 1 Well, the origin season's out already. Okay.
But that's Christian Slater. There's another one.

Speaker 4 There's another one with Uma Thurman.

Speaker 1 I'll tell you what, as someone who was a big Dexter fan back in the day and then it really fizzled out. And then they did like the new, the one where he came back, that was bad.
That was okay.

Speaker 1 That was a pretty good season because the last season of Dexter was terrible. Yeah.
And then one where he like came out and he was like, it was years later.

Speaker 1 And they're like, you know, they kind of like, let's redo the ending. That was pretty decent.
But this kind of now where it's this like younger Dexter, it hasn't really popped, let's just say.

Speaker 1 They keep trying to bring out Dexter stuff and none of it really pops.

Speaker 3 Well, it looks like Michael Seahall is returning as Dexter Morgan June 2025 in Dexter Resurrection.

Speaker 3 And Uma Thurman is playing the head of security for a mysterious billionaire.

Speaker 4 Ooh, I love an Uma Thurman project.

Speaker 1 Oh, she's going to be a killer. He's well, I already know the ending.
He tells Uma. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 A former special ops officer who works for the billionaire Leon Prader.

Speaker 1 He's going to kill her.

Speaker 4 What are your guys's favorite reboots? Do you have one?

Speaker 3 I guess The Hills.

Speaker 1 The only one that watched The New Beginning or The Beginning.

Speaker 7 The one or two seasons that existed on the beginning.

Speaker 3 The one season they came.

Speaker 1 Has a reboot worked?

Speaker 4 I like the Chucky reboot with Abby Plaza, but no one else did.

Speaker 1 Again, so has a reboot worked?

Speaker 3 I mean, but Chucky's on its like, what, fourth season? Oh, there's the Chucky TV show, but that's horror. I don't think horror counts.

Speaker 7 Son was in the TV show.

Speaker 1 Is that really reasonable?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Well, horror is always repeating itself. So I feel like that doesn't count.
I love In Just Like That as well.

Speaker 1 You do? Yes.

Speaker 4 She's alone.

Speaker 4 It feels like a Muppet TV show.

Speaker 3 Now, I tried to watch it and I was like, it's horrible. Let me preserve what I know.

Speaker 1 My brain tells Yes.

Speaker 7 Real gen quest is what's going on with Paige and Craig.

Speaker 1 Dude.

Speaker 3 I think it's clear.

Speaker 7 It's clear, but like the story just keeps isolating.

Speaker 1 That's the thing. It presented as clean and civil.
It's becoming less than. No, Paige.

Speaker 3 No, it makes pretty clear sense to me. But there's that broke up in November at Thanksgiving.

Speaker 1 Okay. I did.
And they were. Yep.

Speaker 3 They broke up Thanksgiving weekend. They were like, let's just like, they did what.
no one else is clearly doing in the social media celebrity platform world.

Speaker 3 A la Matt James, Rachel, Zach Bryan, Brown Jacob. And they took some time, right? They were like, we're not going to announce it.
Let's just like process whatever.

Speaker 3 Craig went on Watch What Happens Live back in December, and it was that whole thing where they played the montage in Southern Charm and on Watch What Happens Live about how he's notorious for lying in the past, to which he responds, like, I never lie.

Speaker 3 Come to find out Paige releasing this saying that the whole time he was talking about the plans him and Paige had for Christmas, like knowing that they were broken up.

Speaker 3 So it kind of like points out the fact that it's like, no, you were actually in the act of lying during this Watch What Happens Live while being called a liar and saying you never lied.

Speaker 3 I think that's probably more so him being on a national TV show put on the spot and him and his girlfriend are broken up.

Speaker 3 They haven't announced it to the world and they're asking like what his plans are with his girlfriend and he's like, oh yeah, we're gonna just be at my house.

Speaker 3 Like he's like, I don't, this is this the place to announce that we're broken up.

Speaker 1 I feel like had he gone on watch what happens live and been like, well, actually we're broken up, the internet would have crucified him and like accused him of something very similar to what Matt James, which is just like, well, did Paige know you were going to say?

Speaker 1 And then Paige could go out and be like, I had no idea he was going to tell everyone.

Speaker 1 And I was at dinner when my phone started blowing up and Paige 6 started like releasing articles that we were broken up and like WTF.

Speaker 3 It kind of sounds like no matter what, someone was going to be unhappy. Because at the end of the day, now she's going on clear clarifying that she agreed with Craig to not talk about it.

Speaker 3 She saw pictures of him out on a New Year's trip and was like, well, if we're going to be presenting single, I'm going to announce it.

Speaker 7 And then he never responded to that text that she sent him saying she wanted to announce it and then also Kyle and Amanda they did an interview where they were like he should have stood up for her when all these rumors were coming out of like infidelity and stuff and then he unfollowed Craig unfollowed Kyle and Amanda I think Craig's stance on that was like I'm just not talking about the breakup at all I think he was like I'm gonna say my one piece and then I'm not gonna continue talking about it

Speaker 1 and I mean I don't know I think it's valid on both sides it's like seems pretty this is like starting to get like when Kyle and Amanda when other people start giving their opinion like clearly at first, they were trying to like be civil and non-drama.

Speaker 1 But like it's giving some, people are trying to win the breakup. Like they, you know, they do keep.

Speaker 3 Well, I think friends just want to be involved. Friends want to make headlines.
Friends want to, and people ask friends because they know like

Speaker 1 yes.

Speaker 3 Yeah. I also get it because I feel like it's relatable.

Speaker 3 Like I've gone through like a breakup and then like when I started dating or something, like I didn't post about it or anything like that because it was just like out of respect for the past relationship.

Speaker 3 I was trying not to, but I'm also also kind of like, it's a little delusional, I guess, in the sense of being two people that are public figures on shows that are airing right now.

Speaker 3 That it's like, and people were speculating about the breakup. Someone's gonna get hurt regardless.
It's a breakup. Someone's feelings are gonna get hurt.
Someone's not gonna handle it the right way.

Speaker 3 Someone's gonna do something that pisses someone. Like, it's it's a breakup.
You can't like handle it perfectly. So the fact that it's like, I don't know why they're coming for Craig, though.

Speaker 3 I think it's just, I don't know. I think the whole thing was just should have just been all breakups, just rip the band-aid off.

Speaker 4 I don't know.

Speaker 4 Miss Pat's coming for paige though because miss pat like um responded to um a clip of the podcast where paige was talking about it and said watch her on the next episode of southern charm which is like yeah they didn't they weren't broken up when they were filming of course she's in the show like

Speaker 1 that's gonna be weird

Speaker 1 it's yeah yeah i feel it could be weirder for them personally i'm like because they have to watch it back you have to like watch your relationship disintegrate i guess well taylor thinks uh her craig and rachel should date i was like the she asked, like, she was asked.

Speaker 7 She was asked if she saw like the whole blow-up event. She's like, well, I thought she's like, Rachel's a sweet girl.
Like, Craig should, you know, so, okay.

Speaker 7 And then she went on to just say, like, Craig's probably with the next person going to settle down because he's going to look for someone that's actually ready to.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 And I wish him the best.

Speaker 1 That makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 7 Denise Richards, her new show trailer. Did you see it?

Speaker 3 Yeah. What is it called again?

Speaker 7 Denise and the Wild Things.

Speaker 1 And her wild things. Her wild things.

Speaker 1 It's a great title.

Speaker 3 It's a good title, yeah.

Speaker 1 Do you think how many of the Vaile housewives are jealous?

Speaker 1 Because she has her own show she was able to get a spin-off that's like she's the focal point of they used half the cast of beverly hills yeah a lot of people were saying what's the point of doing it if they're all on her show like just bring her back to beverly hills housewives but it's like no it's like denise is in control i love it i respect it she's the focal point she said bravo bravo bravo and they said here's a show yep yeah

Speaker 1 i'm really happy for you when does that come out march 4th march 4th when does uh the valley come out unclear they

Speaker 7 bravo's been doing this thing recently where they're like coming soon and it's them announcing it, but then it doesn't come out for like another four or two months.

Speaker 1 When did it come out last year?

Speaker 3 March 19th, 2024. So maybe it'll be March again.
Yeah. The teaser for the season was released January 17th.
The first look was released on February 27th.

Speaker 3 And the premiere date was announced March 19th.

Speaker 1 So three months?

Speaker 3 Three months?

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 7 We'll probably know two weeks before it airs. That's what they did with Beverly Hills.

Speaker 3 I'm going to guess May.

Speaker 5 I'm excited. I love the valley.

Speaker 3 And I also saw a photo that Kristen posted yesterday, and she's just, she just looks great.

Speaker 1 And I just love her.

Speaker 3 I always love to give a shout out to Kristen.

Speaker 4 In other Beverly Hills news, Lisa Renna has addressed Lisa Vanderpump's rumored return to Beverly Hills. During a podcast appearance, Lisa said, I heard that Vanderpump might return.

Speaker 4 They're always looking to save the show. They know it's the Titanic.
I'm just going to say it. And we all know it's the fucking Titanic.
And so I would imagine that they're quiriting the shit.

Speaker 4 out of Vanderpump right now because like who else? They know I'm not going back.

Speaker 1 Has she been asked?

Speaker 3 she's she said she has and i mean people have been saying bring back some of the ogs rena's not an og but she was like an iconic housewife well i mean i will say after last night's episode it is turning into a snooze fest yeah you want somebody to smash a wine glass and hold it up and say never talk about my husband like that again yeah it started with this whole like montage of pk and doree it was kind of sad yeah but like why was because pk then like

Speaker 3 told the girls at at kathy hilton's little tea party or whatever that he's like threatening to sue her for like full custody. He's like gonna pull all of his money.

Speaker 3 He wants her to like be able to afford the house on her own, like the whole thing.

Speaker 3 Like, and it's like, oh, the whole 10 years in California thing, I just learned about this this year, so I thought it was interesting.

Speaker 3 It showed ended up on Beverly Hills, but it's like, uh, in California, when you make it past 10 years in a marriage, it doesn't matter if you had, um, what are the things you sign, like prenups, all that stuff.

Speaker 3 Everything is 50-50 communal property if you decide to split. PK divorcing her at like nine and a half years, like it's just, it's giving icky.

Speaker 3 It's giving like, I want to get out before I have to be taking care of you for the rest of my life. Well, yeah.
And now finding out that, because what'd you say?

Speaker 3 Yeah, he's, he's threatening financials, expectations within a month or two, discussion of custody, lawyers, threats of divorce.

Speaker 3 Like, it sounds like he's trying to like expedite the process as much as possible to be like, I want you to prepare yourself that I will not be taking care of you or the family.

Speaker 3 Whatever's mine is mine, and we'll figure this out legally.

Speaker 1 That's what happens when you marry a guy who wears a full-track suit.

Speaker 3 Amen.

Speaker 1 You were right.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I do appreciate Erica in this position. Like, she was just hard truth.
She's like, you can hate me for what I'm about to say, but like, this is what you need to hear.

Speaker 3 I got a little chills with that, too, because it is true. Like, sometimes you want people to be so direct and honest.

Speaker 3 And Erica actually presented it, being like, listen, I'm just going to give you the hard, cold facts.

Speaker 1 So there's no lawyer. Like, there's no reconciliation, huh?

Speaker 3 It doesn't, it does not appear that he was.

Speaker 1 TK just like saw Mo's life and was just like, I want some of that. Because it's really giving, like, they're really cryptic about Mo and Kyle.

Speaker 3 If he thinks he's on the same same level as Mauricio,

Speaker 7 they also did an interview like a month ago, Mauricio and PK.

Speaker 7 So like it's interesting that it's like they're teaming up as like the husbands that were married to the housewives, but then PK the whole time is kind of like I didn't like the way she handled sobriety and the conversations about me.

Speaker 7 Like she's spinning it.

Speaker 1 They're in cahoots.

Speaker 7 I would think so.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, because it Kyle and Mauricio's divorce is giving like Mauricio

Speaker 1 finally made the decision.

Speaker 3 But if PK thinks he's going to be on the top of a mountain in Aspen with Anita, like, it's just not going to happen.

Speaker 1 Champagne bottles. I'm just saying.
Do we all agree about Mauricio and Kyle's divorce, though?

Speaker 1 It's like, it's giving, like, he kind of like had a lifestyle that she accepted for a period of time and she decided to stop accepting it and he just refused to change.

Speaker 3 I mean, I also think it might have something to do with like, you know, the kids grew up and it's like once kids grow up and are out of the house, it's like focus is now back on us.

Speaker 3 And it's like, is our relationship as strong as it was when we were having these kids?

Speaker 1 And maybe watching it, like, there's you know, it's sad because there's clearly a lot of love there, there's a lot of respect, they still hang out together, they have a family together, but there's a choice that they're making to not reconnect, to not, you know, they gave up, or one of them gave up, or both of them gave up.

Speaker 1 I don't know, it's giving Mauricio gave up first.

Speaker 3 I'm just saying, I feel like if it's an either-or, I feel like there's a better chance that Kyle and Mauricio could reconcile than PK and Dorit at this point.

Speaker 1 Well, PK's has gotten real nasty.

Speaker 1 And at least Mo presents as someone who like is compassionate. Is compassionate and like still wants to protect his family where he answers Kyle's texts.

Speaker 3 He goes, they go on vacation and sleep in the same house. Like PK's over here like not answering a phone call, not caring about where his kids are.
Like PK can go himself.

Speaker 7 I did see a fan theory that

Speaker 7 Kyle and Darreed are feuding because they wanted to do that to distract the group of people from dissecting their marriages because like they're deflecting with like this is such a toxic friendship.

Speaker 7 So, people are being more supportive when it comes to the marriage conversations instead of like, but what happened in your marriage?

Speaker 7 Instead of digging into, like, let's pull the marriage apart because now they're just pulling the friendship apart.

Speaker 4 Well, Dorit's at least kind of opening up and being honest about what happened with her in PK, whereas Kyle is just letting everybody go in a million directions and not actually saying what's happening.

Speaker 1 That's totally true. Like, Dorit is not really hiding much about PK, like, or Kyle.
Like, we've never really known what happened. They just stopped hanging out, kind of.
You're saying with Kyle?

Speaker 1 Kyle and Mauricio. You know?

Speaker 1 Like, he's in a lot of scenes, and he takes her to the gun range, and they're nice, and they get along really great.

Speaker 1 Where you're just always, every time they do that, you're like, why can't they make it work out? You know, like, how sad.

Speaker 4 It's like there's one big thing they're not telling us.

Speaker 1 And there's always a lot of speculation about, like, who Kyle's hanging out with. And Mauricio is being seen, you know, in Aspen and stuff like that.

Speaker 7 And then Kathy Hilton's the confusing part because then she does interviews every two seconds being like, well, I could, I think they'll be back together soon. Like, they might get back together soon.

Speaker 4 Well, Kathy also

Speaker 4 says she's part Chinese 3000 BC.

Speaker 3 Listen, anything Kathy says, I want to hear.

Speaker 1 Me too.

Speaker 7 She puts caviar on her baked potatoes, and that was enough for me to be like, I'm set.

Speaker 1 Were you in any way offended by claiming that she's...

Speaker 7 I'm not Chinese.

Speaker 1 But just Asian?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 I mean, anything she does, I'm like, she's a character where it's like, you can say something crazy and you know that they don't know what they're saying, but also like they don't mean it in a harmful way.

Speaker 7 Yeah, like she's just being goofy. And I'm sure some person in Italy did tell her, like

Speaker 1 Which is, you know, for some people, like just as good as 23andMe. I loved her on Facebook.
I can totally trust trust 23andMe.

Speaker 3 I loved her on FaceTime with Bose being like, are those puka shells?

Speaker 3 Bows being like, they're diamonds.

Speaker 4 The fact that Bose gagged Kathy Hilton is huge.

Speaker 3 The way that she tried to be like, um, yeah, no, baby, they're diamonds. Like, she was like trying to be like, do I say,

Speaker 3 put your glasses on?

Speaker 3 Could be using diamonds for puka shells. but also like, how large were they?

Speaker 1 Yeah, truly. I just love that we've been to Kathy Hilton's backyard.
We have. You laid in her bed.

Speaker 5 What?

Speaker 1 No, we didn't. What?

Speaker 3 Did you think Erica had a right to be upset about not being invited to Augusta?

Speaker 1 Of course not. But they always do.

Speaker 3 They always do, right? I mean, I do feel like she is kind of in that group just as much as Garcelle and Kyle. True.

Speaker 3 I was, you know, I was always so confused about her calling Kyle to invite her for something so personal where like the week before before she comes to dinner, it was like, okay, so why am I here?

Speaker 7 I'm not going to bow down to the altar of Kyle Richards.

Speaker 3 And then it was like, I want you to come to this very personal interaction with my mom. What's her mom?

Speaker 1 That's a piece of work. She's a hoot.
Really?

Speaker 7 I'm so bad for her mom, though. I'm like, we're using her as a storyline.
I mean, maybe she's like chaotic, but I'm like, I don't want to see her mom come on the screen and get humiliated by like.

Speaker 1 How is she humiliated?

Speaker 7 Have you seen the teaser for next episode? I'm like, it's Garcelle like telling her mom that she needs to be like more involved and her mom being like, well, I think it's none of your business.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, and just like period but like the editing is making her mom seem so harsh her mom also has free will so her mom did not

Speaker 3 like 85 yeah

Speaker 3 she's not changing any anytime soon does not give a fuck what anybody thinks of her yeah but also she she did show up yeah but also that is sad that they have to go to her mom for a storyline and they can't figure it out between the housewives themselves yeah Sutton's like, sure, yeah, let's put my harsh mom on television to get crucified by the world.

Speaker 3 But also, let's flex on our compound. Yeah.
Those

Speaker 1 little house. Yeah.
The little back house was gorgeous.

Speaker 3 There's like multiple houses.

Speaker 3 Did you ever see Righteous Gemstones? Yes. That whole like how all of the family lives in like houses all on the same property? Like that's what that reminded me of.

Speaker 1 And it was really cute. Well, when you're making $600,000 a month after taxes, was it after taxes or before?

Speaker 3 $300,000, $300,000, $50,000 a month.

Speaker 1 After taxes. After taxes.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 7 Alimony.

Speaker 1 Crazy.

Speaker 3 Crazy. But yeah, so Beverly Hills is getting boring.
So they have to go to Sutton's poor mom.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 I do think, like, to circle back to your question, last season was Sutton and Garcelle welcoming Erica in, and this season, it's, they're just ignoring that, which is interesting.

Speaker 3 I feel like Bose is getting the most camera time, and I'm here for it. So I'm just like, whatever comes out of her mouth, I'll listen.

Speaker 4 Also, Erica's won me back over.

Speaker 1 Pitting back to Traitors. What's going on with Carolyn?

Speaker 1 She slams Danielle, like physically?

Speaker 4 Body slam, WWE style.

Speaker 1 Can we end with, you know, here's a pet peeve of mine, the headline that includes slams. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 7 I will say, though, this one, like, to me.

Speaker 6 Just misleading headlines in general.

Speaker 3 But the quote saying, like, she sucks. Like, that's not a slam.

Speaker 7 This is a headline that I actually support, the word slam, because to me, I'm like, okay, she did say some like straight up, like, no BS stuff where she said, like, in response to the feud with Danielle.

Speaker 7 You're gaslighting me. I am not the most eloquent speaker.
I am not always listened to, but it doesn't help when you have somebody looking down on you, side-eyeing you, talking just the way she did.

Speaker 7 No one wants to be the Dan of the season, but girl, you're danning me. I don't give a shit about looking the best.
I have not played Survivor multiple times. I'm a zero vote fucking finalist.

Speaker 7 I don't claim to be a great player. I'm good in my own freaky way, but she holds that to such a high standard of like, I'm the best to never win, grow up.

Speaker 1 So to me, that's like a slam. What is with all these people who like, I guess, take pride in the game? I mean, like.

Speaker 1 The gamers? Like, I don't know. The survivor players.
Yeah. The gamers.

Speaker 1 Like this, the weird flexing flexing and bragging about, like, I guess.

Speaker 6 I mean, it's big on Survivor and Big Brother because they, I mean, they have legacies. They have people like Boston Robb is like a name from Survivor History.

Speaker 6 So it's, they take a lot of pride in being like good gamers and legends from these shows.

Speaker 7 But they're also very ego about it because then you have like MJ getting played by Trishelle and CT, and it's like the gamers are then thinking they're better than the other people and then playing the other people.

Speaker 7 But I mean, it's interesting because this is a gamer versus a gamer, Danielle versus.

Speaker 1 But aren't they doing TikToks together?

Speaker 7 And then they're also doing TikToks together with like Dylan.

Speaker 1 All a bit.

Speaker 3 Everything is fake. Everything in this world is fake.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 I don't believe anyone when they say well, I think it's with traders.

Speaker 4 I think they're all actively

Speaker 4 with the way they're all interacting with each other and online throughout as the season's going. They're just leaning in.

Speaker 1 If I go on Trader, should I just like create a complete alter ego? Just could be absolutely insane. Yes.
Like it was just a game. Yeah, it wasn't me.
I'm a gamer. Gamer.

Speaker 3 I did come from the bachelor.

Speaker 4 Competition making. You wear skinny jeans.

Speaker 4 Yeah, you could wear skinny jeans.

Speaker 1 I've gotten the most roses in Bachelor history, which I'm pretty sure I have. I'm the finalist.

Speaker 1 Weird.

Speaker 3 I'm sure someone's going to find them where someone else has gotten more.

Speaker 6 I doubt it. Just be like the bachelor, but the most competitive.

Speaker 3 I love it. I doubt it.
No one's given more roses or been handed more roses than you on The Bachelor.

Speaker 1 When I was the bachelor there, we did a bit where I like read off how many rose ceremonies I've, you know, all that.

Speaker 3 Oh, oh, like statistics, bachelor's statistics, bachelor's stats, right?

Speaker 1 Bach stats, but I definitely don't wear it with pride.

Speaker 3 How many times did you say, are you here for the right reasons?

Speaker 1 None. None?

Speaker 3 Yeah. How many times did you reference your journey?

Speaker 1 Too many.

Speaker 3 I do. How many times did you say my wife is in this room?

Speaker 1 Zero. Oh,

Speaker 1 we love that. Oh,

Speaker 1 zero.

Speaker 6 Really? You didn't say that?

Speaker 9 You didn't say, I see my wife in this room? Refused.

Speaker 1 Yeah. He knew.

Speaker 7 It is a very cringy line.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I know. They definitely tried to get me to to say it one episode, and I was just like, I forgot what I came up with, but

Speaker 1 I see potential here.

Speaker 3 I feel like they bait you. They're like, so is your wife in this room?

Speaker 1 No, they literally tell you to say it.

Speaker 3 You're like, no, definitely.

Speaker 1 That's why it's literally episode two.

Speaker 1 Think of it. Go back on all the Bachelor seasons.
It's like episode two or three. They walk in and like, I can really see my wife in this room.

Speaker 3 And they're like, but like, what direction is she?

Speaker 3 And like, what do you think she's wearing right now? Like, right.

Speaker 1 What's color?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, I definitely said something I didn't mean, but like, I didn't say that. Good.
Yeah.

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Speaker 1 Indeed.

Speaker 1 Indeed.

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Speaker 1 Maddie.

Speaker 5 Hi, how are you guys?

Speaker 1 So good. How are you?

Speaker 3 Stunning. Are you about to shoot a cover of a magazine? What's happening?

Speaker 8 I look like it. I'm going on Watch What Happens Live tonight.
So I'm in New York right now.

Speaker 1 Ooh, how fun. So pretty.
Are you from New York originally?

Speaker 8 I actually am.

Speaker 8 I went to college at Charleston for college and that what brought me down to South Carolina. Oh, okay.

Speaker 8 So I'm happy to be home, but it's really good to see you guys i actually um met you guys at um kathy hilton's christmas party that was a wild time we also met your boyfriend yes you met joe yeah yes he did he was like so southern hospitality is crazy y'all should cover it this season and we were like okay we'll look into it and it definitely is crazy yes this season i feel like has gotten a lot of positive attention and everything

Speaker 8 comparative to the other season.

Speaker 1 So it's all positive. How did you end up on the show in the first place?

Speaker 8 I worked at Republic. So basically, the show is about a nightclub and a bunch of co-workers that work together.

Speaker 8 So I worked there for years before the whole like casting thing kind of came about because I went to college there. I wanted to make money while I was in college.
So I got into hospitality, nightlife.

Speaker 8 And then the owner of the bar, Leva, is obviously on Southern Charm. So I feel like that's kind of how that spin-off came about.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 So you are like an OG, like Vanderpump rules, people who are actually working there. That's cool.
And then how much do you actually still work there?

Speaker 1 Or now that you are DJing and on TV, is it less of that? Or do they still bring you in for shifts?

Speaker 8 I definitely feel like there's a standard of like, when you are not DJing, you need to be here working.

Speaker 8 So I feel like it's definitely, you know, kind of cutthroat in the hospitality. Like if you're not working, then we'll find someone else that will.

Speaker 8 So I feel like with the DJing, I'm always on the road and traveling. But anytime I'm off, no matter how tired I am, I know I have to go to work at Republic, you know?

Speaker 1 Was that like, cause if you don't work there, you're, you will definitely be off the show?

Speaker 8 Not necessarily. Like, I feel like for a while for my DJ career, I needed the money from

Speaker 8 the restaurant. to help fund my DJ career because it's expensive as a DJ in the sense of like equipment.
Like one C DJ is like seven to 8K. Like it's an expensive hobby.

Speaker 8 So I feel like in even order, like to learn how to produce music and stuff and buying like softwares for that and stuff, like I needed money to kind of to be able to invest my career.

Speaker 8 So I feel like the bar was a great outlet to make quick money, you know?

Speaker 1 What do you think of the kind of the dilemma going on between Joe and TJ?

Speaker 8 I don't know. I feel like we're filming a reunion next week.
So I'm excited to kind of see where they're at now, but I feel like, I don't know, specifically, I don't know.

Speaker 8 I feel like it's interesting because it's two close friends that I feel like one caught feelings for. And I feel like it's a super dynamic, like complex relationship.

Speaker 1 Do you feel like Joe is being kind of put in like a tough spot with TJ? Do we all agree that they agree that like Joe was blackout drunk that night?

Speaker 1 Is that right? Yeah. Isn't it kind of weird that like we're talking about someone who is blackout drunk and then like TJ is trying to get him to admit to something he doesn't allegedly even remember?

Speaker 1 I just find it to be a little uncomfy. I don't know.
What are your thoughts?

Speaker 8 I feel like I'm uncomfortable by it. I don't know if I would, if I was Joe, if I would ever trust TJ again.

Speaker 8 Like first with the coming in between your relationships and being the one to kind of bring the Luann and the Danielle kind of stuff to the surface.

Speaker 8 And then you're coming to the surface saying that you have feelings for him and that you think something happened or you felt mixed signals when it was obviously kind of one-sided.

Speaker 8 Yeah, it's a little, I feel like uncomfortable.

Speaker 3 Didn't he tell you that he, TJ, thought Joe was gay? Like before you started dating him or while you were dating him?

Speaker 5 Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 8 I definitely think that was a rumor going around town. I think.
everyone on our cast has heard that rumor one or another about Joe's sexuality.

Speaker 8 And I feel like for Joe, Joe, he's like, I know the boiling point of this rumor is coming from TJ.

Speaker 8 Like he's the source.

Speaker 1 He seems like a bit of a rumor spreader. And like he spreads rumors that like are potentially like problematic or like really put someone in a tough position.

Speaker 1 Like it could affect your two's relationship. Yeah.

Speaker 3 How do you feel about it? Because you're kind of in the middle of it. It's because it is your boyfriend, but you're also friendly with TJ and you guys got closer over the summer.

Speaker 3 So I'm like, how does that affect you? Or it's like, this is your relationship, but also your friendship.

Speaker 8 I definitely feel like it put me in a hard spot because I don't know how close TJ and Joe necessarily were. So I'm trying to be sensitive to like both people.

Speaker 8 But after watching the season, yeah, there's a little part of me where I was like, yeah, TJ is a potster and is a little bit, you know, messier than he leads on.

Speaker 8 Or like, you know, he might be like the bone collector and have some things to say, but like maybe sometimes 1% of the things that he's saying is just straight rumor. You know what I mean?

Speaker 8 Or even 99%. you know what I mean? So I feel like that's where I just think TJ is messy.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 8 But for Joe, I think Joe is someone who's really comfortable in his sexuality and who he is and in his relationship.

Speaker 8 So I feel like for him, he was just like, kind of like, why are you doing this kind of thing? Like,

Speaker 8 I.

Speaker 8 probably now I'm never going to sleep in a bed with you again or feel like that same closeness to you as a friend. Right.

Speaker 1 Because I feel this betrayal, you know, so I see both sides but i definitely after watching kind of really kind of feel for joe to be honest with you so that's where i feel a little kind of uncomfortable yeah i feel like joe has handled it in the best possible way where he didn't feel like threatened by tj's claim or accusation or anything like that and he still like was able to try to empathize with his friend because he still values that friendship with tj you know

Speaker 8 Joe is sitting here being like, I'm comfortable in how I feel and my sexuality, and I'm going to let you tell your story and how you feel. And if anything, I'm proud of Joe.

Speaker 8 And I think that's really brave of him. And I totally like respect and see TJ's side as well.
And I think it's really brave and cool of Joe to kind of

Speaker 8 be so gentle and sensitive about the whole thing.

Speaker 1 How are you guys doing as a couple? Stronger than ever?

Speaker 8 Yeah, totally. I just, I feel like Joe and I, we just work so well together, like whether it be in the restaurant or in our day-to-day lives.
So I just feel like we've grown a a lot this year.

Speaker 8 And I think you definitely see that in the season. Like I just left a toxic relationship.
So I feel like I was so hesitant about,

Speaker 8 you know, is there such thing as a healthy relationship kind of thing. So

Speaker 8 I feel like I was so hesitant and walking kind of on eggshells, you know, if I truly wanted to give myself. in this relationship, you know, based off the things I kind of went through.

Speaker 1 I thought it was a really sweet moment in last, uh, this past episode when you and Joe were kind of talking about your future and Joe was like, you know, because Joe kind of presents this like kind of this clubby, you know, all of you obviously are at this age, you're DJing, you guys work at this like very kind of club bar restaurant republic.

Speaker 1 But it was very sweet to hear like Joe and you have that conversation about like what he really wants and what his dreams are and things like that. And then you kind of talking about that as well.

Speaker 1 I thought that was like a really sweet moment.

Speaker 1 Maybe I'm just like, again, in my like new dad husband era, but like, you know, whenever that is, whenever you guys are like ready for that shit, I got to say, it's, it's, uh, it's, it's the best time of our lives.

Speaker 1 So like, maybe, maybe you and Joe are. Congratulations on all that, by the way.

Speaker 8 I'm so excited to be in that era of my life. It's just timing, I feel like, is everything.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, totally. I mean, I obviously waited a little bit longer than most people, and I have no complaints.
Natalie waited a little bit less longer.

Speaker 1 But yeah, whenever it happens, whenever you're ready, I hope you enjoy it as much as we do.

Speaker 3 And I also just have to say, after watching the first two seasons, it's really nice to see you in a healthy relationship.

Speaker 3 And I think it's bringing out the best in you and in Joe because Joe's very lovable seeing him wanting to commit to you and wanting to get married and saying all these things where you're like, Joey Bottles is saying, like, you know, Johnny, I'm sorry, but you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 Like, it's just kind of, it's really nice. So I'm happy for you.

Speaker 1 Speaking of toxic relationships, what are your thoughts on Emmy and Will?

Speaker 8 Oh, goodness.

Speaker 1 I almost wish it was like, even like seeing it, like, like i wish there was a time where she kind of stood her ground with him if anything do you think it's both of them kind of just figuring out life do you think one's more the instigator than the other you know it's it's kind of hard to tell as a viewer obviously like emmy has her reactions which are loud and expressive but like you know will kind of does seem like that really good instigator where even the stuff you know like even behind the scenes like he kind of gives poking the bear poking the bear and then almost almost to the point where he pushes his girlfriend to a level of like, she gets to this kind of explosive energy.

Speaker 1 But like, do you think it's more him or her? Or do you think they just kind of bring out the worst in each other?

Speaker 8 I would agree with that.

Speaker 8 But I also think that when Eminem's having those overreactions, I think she's looking for Will to be there to save her and have her back and defend her from these rumors and stuff like that.

Speaker 8 And you're right. He's like kind of more behind scenes, like poking at the bear instead of showing up in front of the group and saying, you know, this is my truth.

Speaker 8 And I feel like that's kind of where I think maybe Emmy is having those overreactions is she's like, Will should be here and he should be the one that's defending himself.

Speaker 8 And it's like, well, he's not. And it's giving guilty, you know, if you're not going to come and confront the group about all the things that you've done.

Speaker 8 but you're okay with talking about it behind scenes, you know, I feel like that's kind of where Emmy struggled is she was just like, I wish Will could speak on this for himself.

Speaker 8 And, you know, now I have to answer for it. But at the same time, like, I feel like I kind of had to do that for my partner the past two seasons.

Speaker 8 And it's not easy, like having to speak on their behalf and to defend them. It's not necessarily an easy thing, but I just don't know why it was so hard for her.

Speaker 3 Why do you feel like he's not showing up? to defend himself.

Speaker 8 Well, like I said, I feel like it's, to me, it gives guilty vibes.

Speaker 3 So you think he's like, I just don't even want to get, yeah, he's like, I don't even want to get attacked by these people because I don't have the correct answer.

Speaker 3 Or like, I'm going to deal with Emmy and not have them be able to say, I heard you say this.

Speaker 8 Yes.

Speaker 3 So he gets suspicious.

Speaker 8 I'm damned if I do. I'm damned if I don't.
Like peace. Like, I don't.

Speaker 8 You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 What did you learn the most from your like past relationship that you referred to as toxic?

Speaker 1 I mean, as shitty as past relationships can be, the good news is we can often like learn a little bit from it.

Speaker 1 But like, what what are, what is something that you learned or multiple things that you learned that you want to make sure you don't bring into your relationship with Joe or anyone else in the future or just kind of behaviors you like would maybe see in a friend's relationship where maybe you would want to say, hey, I've been there before and I made a mistake and here's what you should do differently this time.

Speaker 8 Oh my goodness. I feel like there's so many things, but it's all a learning.
experience, I feel like in relationships. Every time I leave a relationship, I feel like I'm like, wow, I learned so much.

Speaker 8 Oh my goodness. I'm going to bring this into my new relationship and look for these red flags.

Speaker 8 So I feel like you see that play out through the season a lot of me kind of being more hesitant about necessarily like what I want and making sure that's the priority.

Speaker 8 And I feel like in the past, I might have, you know,

Speaker 8 might have made sacrifices maybe in my relationship for my partner or. I didn't leave when I probably should have.
And I don't have any regrets necessarily because of the things that I've learned.

Speaker 8 But if I do look back on it, I think that when I saw the first red flags, I wish I would have left then, you know? I mean, we'll say the same thing looking back on this one day.

Speaker 8 And I think a lot of people do, you know?

Speaker 1 Yeah. You mentioned Kathy Hilton's party that you were, we were all at.
And that was the last time I saw James Kennedy in person because that was also the night that he got arrested.

Speaker 1 We've been pretty hard on James. You obviously have, you have a relationship with him.
You referred to him as your mentor. Is he still your mentor? And have you spoken with him since the incident?

Speaker 1 And kind of, where do you stand with him at this point?

Speaker 8 I have not spoken to him. I've definitely checked in on Allie and want to make sure she's okay and everything like that, but I haven't spoken to him.
And I wish both of them the best.

Speaker 1 Okay. Would you say like your kind of relationship with James at this point is kind of like over?

Speaker 1 Or

Speaker 1 do you think maybe in the future you guys will reconnect on the DJ tour?

Speaker 8 I don't have any gigs or anything booked with him this year or this going forward. And I don't think I have anything planned.
And I probably, I just wish both of them the best.

Speaker 8 Like, I genuinely, I haven't, I haven't spoken to him since the same night you guys saw him.

Speaker 8 So I haven't spoken to him, but I've definitely spoken to Allie just to check in and make sure she's okay.

Speaker 8 A lot of her family lives in Charleston, where I live. So I see them sometimes and stuff.
So I always wanted to reach out and check in.

Speaker 8 And I obviously had a relationship with both of them, and I wish both of them the best.

Speaker 3 That's nice of you. Did was the Emmy blow up over the dresses credit thing as insane in person as it was on television? Or what was your perception of that reaction?

Speaker 8 I was DJing then. So I totally just heard about it.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 8 And I heard heard it was crazy. So when I watched it, I was like, oh my gosh, like this is honestly, to me, watching it, I was like, it kind of gives like guilty.
Like, should I look into this?

Speaker 8 Like, do you know what I mean? Because I feel like the simple answer, if I was in that position, would have been like, oh, no, like I didn't. Like, here's the receipt from the uniforms.

Speaker 8 Or I would have been like, oh, I did get a store back. I did get a store credit kickback.
Like,

Speaker 1 thanks.

Speaker 8 But doesn't mean that I

Speaker 8 didn't pay for it with my credit card. Yeah.
You know?

Speaker 3 Well, it didn't help with Will saying.

Speaker 8 But the fact that he didn't explain it like that made me think, like, oh, like, do I need to look into this?

Speaker 6 Right.

Speaker 3 Yeah. To Sierra's point, Will being like, and you didn't do that was definitely the nail in the coffin for sure.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 8 I just don't think Will is doing Emmy any favors. No, he's not.

Speaker 1 It was definitely a storyline that I didn't think it was a big deal until she lost her shit. And then I was like, wait, what are we talking about?

Speaker 3 It should have been something so small, but it's like even watching her kind of defend Will, where it's like Will sat there, not only didn't comfort you after the fact, but then spent time talking shit about you to your coworkers who are not his co-workers.

Speaker 3 Um, I don't know. She's feel like unforgivable, in my opinion.

Speaker 8 I would be really embarrassed, right?

Speaker 3 Yeah, I guess we're gonna have to ask her.

Speaker 1 Do you, do you and Joe live together? We do not.

Speaker 8 We do not. I feel like that definitely gets talked about later on.
Okay. Like what the potential next step, if it's marriage, if it's getting a house, if it's moving in together.

Speaker 8 So you'll kind of see that play out in the rest of the season.

Speaker 1 Who's more guilty between you and Joe of like kind of playing house and kind of fantasizing about your future? Or is it more you or is it more Joe?

Speaker 1 Joe every day.

Speaker 8 We have such a like golden retriever, I feel like black cat relationship where I'm more the realist and I feel like he's more the like fantasy romantic, but I enjoy it.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it is nice. Is he with you in New York?

Speaker 5 He is. Yes.

Speaker 1 He's nice.

Speaker 1 Is he in the room with us?

Speaker 8 Hi, Joe. No, he actually went to go pick up a suit for his, um, for the reunion.
We're filming next week. Oh, fun.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 3 Are you filming the reunion in South Carolina? Are you filming in New York?

Speaker 8 We film in New York. Okay.
Yes, we're doing a Watch What Happens live clubhouse reunion.

Speaker 1 Love it.

Speaker 3 Oh, isn't that what they were planning on doing that with the Valley for a season?

Speaker 3 So interesting that I think, I think the people in the Valley said no, but that is interesting.

Speaker 8 I feel like they brought up cameras for the Valley, and that kind of was their reunion. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Like they brought up cameras, double breakup.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 1 What is making it in the DJ space look like for you? Like, what's something you kind of envision in terms of, you know, once you're there, you'll be like, holy shit, I can't believe I did this.

Speaker 1 I've really made it.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I think I've played at a lot of venues where I felt like, oh my God, this is a dream come true. I've made it.
This week in the show, we go to Vegas for a cast trip.

Speaker 8 And I mean, I'm on the side of a billboard and such a bucket list opportunity for me.

Speaker 8 But for me now in my career, I think.

Speaker 8 Like, I want to be an artist. I want to have music of my own and I want to release it and I want people to be able to connect with it.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 So that's kind of my next step of being like, oh, I made it is like if people are listening to my song that I made

Speaker 8 or if someone connects to it, you know? That's awesome.

Speaker 1 Are you still, are you currently working on some of your own new music?

Speaker 8 Yeah. I actually, like this season, I do a song with Grace.
So that comes out, I'm pretty sure next week that comes out, that song with Grace and I that we do. It's called Poppin' It.

Speaker 8 But I basically am looking to collaborate with vocalists and people to make music. You know, I'm not necessarily like an incredible singer, but I am a very talented producer.

Speaker 8 So I'm working on becoming that artist and putting my music out there and having that confidence.

Speaker 1 I don't think Diplo can sing, can he?

Speaker 1 No. Yeah, no, I don't think so.
Yeah. No.

Speaker 1 Exactly.

Speaker 5 Exactly.

Speaker 1 All right. Well, thank you so much for joining us.
It's been so much fun chatting with you, wishing you guys nothing but success. And we're loving the show.

Speaker 1 Keep the drama coming it's been a ton of fun watching you guys so far so i really appreciate your time maddie nice thank you so much for having me on like i always watch y'all and it was so nice seeing all of you guys again likewise thanks for taking the time have fun at uh on watch what happens live yes thank you so much

Speaker 1 bye bye what a sweetie what a sweetie my favorite dj i just think the back to the joe and tj thing it just it's giving icky he definitely is a potster that's for sure i told y'all i didn't like dj from the jump remember And y'all were like, TJ is my favorite.

Speaker 4 I enjoy him for TV purposes, but don't necessarily.

Speaker 3 I feel like, do we always love the pot stirrer? Like, is that, I feel like, isn't Bryn the pot stirrer on Roni and everyone hates her?

Speaker 3 It's like, because you're making up lies, you're stirring the pot, you're doing stuff to like create drama. It's the same thing TJ is doing.
But it's necessary.

Speaker 3 I felt that way about Lisa Renati on Beverly Hills Housewives with Denise Richards.

Speaker 1 Well, it's more like I generally don't like the pot stirrer, you know, but I just kind of recognize that there is a pot and it needs to be stirred.

Speaker 1 You know, I would like it to happen more organically from the

Speaker 1 cast as a whole. Right.
But I don't know. That, that, that storyline that they keep milking, I'm just like, I'm a little.

Speaker 1 I feel like Joe handled it well, though, considering the sit-down and everything.

Speaker 3 And, you know, at least admitting to the fact that it's like, if that was your perception, I'm, I'm sorry for that. But like, obviously it did not mean anything to me.

Speaker 3 Um, but I do think that I'm sure it's tough, especially for TJ being out in Charleston and as many people that he was saying that his dating life, it's hard to date for him out in Charleston.

Speaker 3 So I'm like, I also can understand

Speaker 3 wanting something to be true, but that not, even though it's not. and kind of embellishing it and hoping that it could be.

Speaker 3 But I'm just like, yeah, it's your fantasy versus the reality of what happened. And if the person is telling you that it meant nothing to him, then you just have to kind of accept that.

Speaker 1 Why is he getting a free pass to say all this shit and like put joe in the position where joe seemingly has to like explain himself or defend himself he was blackout drunk and you weren't and now you're telling a story and whatever happened like did joe even know what he was doing i mean apparently not so i don't know it's a little tough just because it's like i said it's two different people's perspectives and then you also have somebody wanting something to happen where somebody else is like that meant nothing i just think i also see like taylor green doing like tick tocks and reels with tj and i'm just like taylor they're besties she was spending the night at his house on episode two yeah problematic i like taylor and like but taylor some taylor in the southern charm community seems to be like the outsider like she's not part of the like group group group you know and like you know even the comments that what are what's her name sally sally thank you yeah how like kind of like the nobody likes you comment which i kind of hate when people say that but like i don't know i get you know sometimes guilty by association like if she's best friends friends with TJ, TJ is a bit of a pot story.

Speaker 1 And I don't know. I would, I would

Speaker 1 run Taylor.

Speaker 3 It's like we can't trust anybody with initials on Bravo anymore.

Speaker 3 T-J, J, T, or maybe just those two letters.

Speaker 1 I think initials are problematic. PK.

Speaker 3 PK. Can't trust anybody.

Speaker 1 I've never been an initial guy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Envy. That's not my name.
That's also

Speaker 3 far too long to say.

Speaker 1 Nick. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, coming up shortly, Rebecca Minkoff of Roney, Real Housewives of New York City, excited to get the tea.

Speaker 1 We found out like last night or this morning that she like announced, well, first, it was leaked a couple days ago that she was fired.

Speaker 1 And then she announced that this is her first and only season on the cast. And I got to say, I was a little shocked by the reunion.

Speaker 1 It really seemed like, as we said before, like these ladies did not like her. It felt personal.

Speaker 3 Did it not feel weird too when you're sitting there and she like comes out, introduced? They asked her like five questions and then they were like, all right, well, that's our time with Rebecca.

Speaker 1 And I was like,

Speaker 3 I feel like typically they would go to commercial and then come back, and Rebecca would be gone. But they had her be like, Do I sit here? Do I?

Speaker 3 And he's like, Rebecca wants to know if she stays here or goes.

Speaker 1 No, they made it a point. Yeah, they made it a point to like leave that in there.

Speaker 3 And like, well, they usually like softball questions, do an introduction, but it was literally like, here she is, Scientology, Scientology. Aaron hates you, Sai hates you.
Okay, bye.

Speaker 3 I also hate the like, does anyone have any questions or beef they want to address with Rebecca? It's like, just ask someone a pointed question. Just be like, you know, I don't know.

Speaker 3 Does anyone in here disagree? It's like no one's going to be like, I do.

Speaker 7 She definitely was set up in that. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 I will say, I'm for a slow season, as I said earlier, the reunions kind of gave me a lot, a lot to work with. I'm a fan of Zen Uba, but...

Speaker 1 I don't know. Oh, you don't know about Uba? No, I love Uba.
Okay. I'm obsessed with Uba.

Speaker 1 Like, I think she's the best but i just this is mostly on the bryn drama of it all which you know obviously there's you know the the fact that they throughout the whole you know part two andy and the rest of the cast had to like make sure that they let bryn know like we believe your story as it relates to what happened to you and then simultaneously be put in a position to also have to question her there was a part of me that like started understanding bryn's point of view except that it was like, I was blown away by like all the, like when they were kind of all going back and forth about like who said what when and like every every word out of Bryn's mouth, the entire cast is like, we didn't say that, we didn't say that, we didn't say that.

Speaker 1 I mean, it really painted Bryn as like a, just a compulsive liar.

Speaker 1 When you couple that with the subject in which we were talking about, it just, it just makes it really uncomfortable to, to, like, to lump those all in together and have a discussion about it. Right.

Speaker 1 You know, while you're like, well, Bryn's saying all these things and all the women are like, we didn't say that. We didn't say that.
You're like, what are you, like, what are you talking about?

Speaker 1 You're just making shit up. And then having Annie to be like, just so you know, no matter what, we, you know, we believe this, but like, it's the other part we're struggling with.
It was this hard to.

Speaker 3 I felt like mentally she couldn't disconnect the two from each other because she felt like all these women hate her. So it's like that, we're not denying that your story is true.

Speaker 3 It's just the other parts that go along with it where it's like, you're even still saying, I sucked a dick for this job.

Speaker 3 And it's like, that's not what Uba said, but like you're convinced that that's what she said.

Speaker 3 So it's like almost like the repetitive nature of repeating the same things, but it is very difficult to have a conversation trying to be like clarifying what's a lie and what's the truth when it's also surrounded around such a sensitive topic.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Where I understand, Bryn

Speaker 1 is that given what happened to her, you would think she'd be allowed to have moments of, you know, like for lack of better word, messiness being triggered you know to moments of being triggered moments of being reactive moments of feeling out of body and and and saying

Speaker 1 and maybe not remembering everything she said

Speaker 3 you know i mean sigh straight up said you weaponize your experience for the downfall of a friend and that is an awful thing to do and i think that's when bryn was like watch your words like to tell someone that they weaponize their experience is after someone has been openly talks about like is it messy that bryn was in fact

Speaker 1 really just messy in that moment

Speaker 1 said some things that weren't totally accurate without the intention of weaponizing it to take down uba i understand what the women are saying i understand like that this is a very obviously sensitive topic and like when you make an accusation which i guess in what what bryn is saying that it wasn't an accusation that it was just like i don't know something she was saying while being attacked.

Speaker 3 But it also gets confusing because, you know,

Speaker 3 when Bryn is saying, like, yeah, I called Uba and I was rambling and I was saying all these things that have happened to me. And then for Uba to be like, you never said those words to me.

Speaker 1 That's the hard part because Uba is like dead set on like, I didn't, you didn't say that.

Speaker 1 And I intend to believe Uba. But I'm still willing to acknowledge that like Bryn thought she said that.
That's not that unbelievable. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Especially given what like Bryn has been through and like the trauma that can cause. And like having had a front row seat to people who have opened up about that, like I can at least understand

Speaker 1 that position. So it, it does feel like

Speaker 1 I understand where Uba is upset, but I like, yeah,

Speaker 1 how can the wrestler ladies be so sure of Bryn's intentions? Right. Yeah.
You know?

Speaker 3 Well, and I think it was a very like powerful moment because you have this, them talking about what happened and Uba pretty much saying like, I want nothing to do with you, whatever.

Speaker 3 But then it's like even any reference coming back to the experience that happened with Bryn, like Uba gets up and hugs her and wants her to say sorry and just like wants her to know that she's supported.

Speaker 3 So it's kind of like, if Uba can move on from what's happening where that's something that directly affected her, then it's like, yes, all the other women, it's like lay off a little bit because it's just like Bryn's going through a lot.

Speaker 3 She might not handle herself well, but she also did say that she does want to learn how to be a better friend and to be more direct. So it's like, all she can do is just move forward with it.

Speaker 3 But she's somebody who's had a very troubled childhood and a very troubled experience growing up. So it's like to add insult to injury, it doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 4 It's also not really like about the other women. It's like, I mean, it affects them, but who it really directly affects is like Bryn and Uba.

Speaker 1 Well, that was the other problem, too. It's like, I feel like they really leaned into this topic because there's literally nothing else to discuss and talk about.

Speaker 1 So now they're milking this topic that feels like it shouldn't be milked.

Speaker 3 Like Sy being like, I'm so shocked that Uba went and hugged her. It's like

Speaker 3 she was breaking down.

Speaker 3 Like, what? You're shocked that Uba has like empathy and like felt like Bryn needed a hug in that moment. And like, I am not a fan of Sy, this reunion.

Speaker 3 I didn't appreciate anything she really had to say.

Speaker 3 Although I will say I am on Sai and Raquel's team with the whole like Uba was disrespecting Puerto Rico and like on a platform where Puerto Rico needs tourism and like you're gonna say that their beaches are dirty and this and there's dead pigeons and there's nasty water you don't want to walk in.

Speaker 3 Like that's definitely gonna affect people wanting to go to Puerto Rico. And like they were valid in being like, you can't.

Speaker 1 Have you guys ever seen the movie Sideways about wine? Yes. The line, I'm not drinking fucking Marlowe, like crashed the Marlowe market

Speaker 1 for years.

Speaker 3 It's just now it's it's just now recovering.

Speaker 1 And that's like a 15, 20-year-old movie. But it does like that shit.
That shit matters.

Speaker 1 For the average person who isn't a sommalier or a

Speaker 1 travel coordinator. And they're like, should we go to Puerto Rico? Or like

Speaker 1 Jamaica? Yeah. You know, they're like, no, I actually went to the beaches were dirty and like dead pigeons were everywhere.
It definitely has an effect.

Speaker 3 No, you're so right too, because I'm like, there's a lot of trips that even I've planned based off of seeing they come up on Real Housewives.

Speaker 3 So it's like, oh my God, what is this tropical island that they're on? I mean, we do the same with restaurants.

Speaker 3 Like when we were watching the Valley, we were like, oh my God, there's a restaurant, there's a new restaurant. We haven't tried that.

Speaker 3 And if they were like, oh my God, this guacamole is disgusting, we probably wouldn't go there.

Speaker 4 We hear the biophiles can say that Puerto Rico is beautiful.

Speaker 1 It is. And I went there for our honeymoon.

Speaker 3 I love Puerto Rico so much. Puerto Rico, lovely.

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Speaker 1 Wow. Hi, Rebecca.

Speaker 3 Look at this setup.

Speaker 5 Hi.

Speaker 5 Live from New York.

Speaker 3 Live from New York in your own studio.

Speaker 1 Well, thank you for joining us. We're excited to talk with you.

Speaker 5 I'm so excited. This is two years in the making, I think, from the first DM.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you were, Rebecca and I first messaged because she was deep in Scandival.

Speaker 1 And was at a dinner party with apparently some friends

Speaker 1 talking about our coverage of Scandival. Have you ever met Tom?

Speaker 5 No, no. And

Speaker 5 I can't even keep my head straight around it. So just it's the Ram is full now with lots of other

Speaker 3 things that have been replaced.

Speaker 1 Well, we just obviously got done watching Reunion Part Two. And you, I think, overnight announced that you will be leaving Roney.

Speaker 1 Maybe we should just start there.

Speaker 5 Just rip the bandaid off?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Like, I mean, it was, I was not, I didn't know what to expect you coming in, but it, that, that room felt very cold and harsh.

Speaker 1 Were you caught off guard by the energy that you walked into at the reunion?

Speaker 5 I think that I expected the energy to be like that because I knew what was being discussed. I obviously knew Uba and Bryn's

Speaker 5 situation was going to come before I went on. And that can't be easy.
So when I walked into the room and took a read, I knew everyone was having their own energy preservation

Speaker 5 of just what went on.

Speaker 5 But I expected it to warm up knowing like, you know, it was, it was time for my, my part. And that never happened.
It felt cold. It remained cold for the balance until I left.

Speaker 5 So that part I was not expecting.

Speaker 1 Okay. Like, obviously you and Aaron seemed to get into it.

Speaker 1 And then a little bit of you and Bryn, but just the energy in the room period seemed like, I don't know, they were all kind of mad at you for some reason.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Maybe there's a group chat that I'm not part of that

Speaker 5 something was planned prior to my arrival because I was on what I thought great terms with everyone.

Speaker 5 I mean, obviously, Bryn and I aren't besties, but I walked into the reunion thinking it would be fine. And I was honestly as surprised as probably you guys were in that moment.

Speaker 5 And just normally, I'm aware when I do something and I take ownership for it. I could not figure out what I did, but I remember looking at each one, like, are you going to give me a lifeline?

Speaker 5 No, you, no, Uba and Jessel did.

Speaker 5 But the rest just, it just felt icy.

Speaker 1 Well, what happened with you and Aaron? I mean, have you been able to figure out like what her issues are with you? And are you guys still at angst with each other?

Speaker 1 Or are you guys been able to reconcile it all?

Speaker 5 I think it started, there was a Bravo Con weekend where, you know, she was on stage really distancing herself from the prank. And, you know, I don't want to talk about the prank.

Speaker 5 We've all heard it ad nauseum. But I was very much like, you know, I sent a text.
I think they showed it like, you know, we did this together.

Speaker 5 I'm happy to take responsibility, but you were part of it. And that was met with then her going back on stage and kind of making fun of the brand.

Speaker 5 And as a friend, who I thought she was, you know, a true friend, we hung out together. Our kids have played together.
Our husbands met. I was like, wow, you're going to do that to me? Okay.

Speaker 5 Fine.

Speaker 5 And then we played phone tag. She chose not to call back after the last call.
And then an episode aired with some sensitive stuff about her father.

Speaker 5 And I didn't check in on her because I had actually checked in on her and been there for her when her dad actually passed. And I was hurt from the weekend.

Speaker 5 And so I guess to her, that made me fake and inauthentic and not standing up for women. And so we have yet to rectify anything.
But I said, if people can be accountable, I don't hold grudges.

Speaker 5 You know, when Sy apologized to me after calling me too nice and boring, I accepted her apology because I'm a grown woman.

Speaker 5 So I think as long as people are willing to do that work, like the, the doors open.

Speaker 1 Did being called nice and boring bother you?

Speaker 5 I didn't like that somehow when you're calling someone nice, that's now negative. Like since when is being nice like a negative term?

Speaker 5 Maybe in housewives land, that's now negative, but I was like, so I'm being made fun of because I'm nice. Cool.
Okay.

Speaker 5 So it didn't upset me, but I was like, let's, let's not further degrade women by saying a nice person is, that's boring behavior to be nice.

Speaker 1 So you felt like just her intention was negative and that's the issue you had in a way.

Speaker 5 I mean, I don't think her intention was negative. Sai just calls it as she thinks it and feels it.
And I think that she was just speaking her mind. It was a hot mic moment, and that's what came out.

Speaker 1 Have you tried to reach out to Erin since the reunion?

Speaker 5 I have not.

Speaker 1 Why not?

Speaker 5 Why?

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, I guess, are you hoping to reconcile or are you kind of like, fuck her? Because I guess

Speaker 1 if I found out a friend was mad at me i guess i would just i would have been like hey let's let's let's have a cup of coffee and and and put it in their court you know for me it's just more like if a friend's mad at me and i did something wrong i would just i would want to put the ball in their court so i could say like i did what i could so to speak and i guess i'm just like but maybe you're just kind of over it wait are you saying i should do i should do everything i can Well, I don't think you should do anything.

Speaker 1 I'm just kind of curious, like, where, like, where's your heart when it comes to this friendship?

Speaker 1 Like, if I didn't care about our friendship, if, like, if someone called me out or whatever and like, you know, and I was like, what are you talking about?

Speaker 1 Like maybe I'd be like, there's a lot of friends I've had where I'm like, you know what, maybe we've outgrown each other. I've, I've moved on.
Sometimes it's like, you know what?

Speaker 1 I fucked up or, you know, I don't agree with them, but like I clearly upset them.

Speaker 1 So like, but I do miss this friend, but like, so I'm just going to reach out to him and say, hey, whenever you're ready, I'm ready. And I'm like, but maybe you're not ready.

Speaker 5 I'm always ready again. If someone wants to be responsible and accountable, like I am happy to engage.

Speaker 5 um if she decides to do that then i'm happy to have a conversation i she publicly humiliated me more than one time okay i did clap back one time um she didn't like that and so i guess it's it's not a two-way street okay yeah i think it's definitely different when it's on a national television show and like you know what you're doing a little bit yeah yeah so i i see where you're coming from on that yeah but yeah it's not like you can publicly humiliate someone and then privately apologize you know what i mean yeah i think you have to figure out you know how do you, how do you see if you did anything that could have been really hurtful?

Speaker 5 And again, I'm happy when people take accountability. I took it

Speaker 5 for my mistakes. It's actually easier when people do that.

Speaker 3 No, that's true. How long were you actually on stage for? Because for us, it was the five questions Andy asked only about Scientology and then you were done.
Did he ask you anything else?

Speaker 5 Yeah, I was there for about an hour.

Speaker 5 He asked the girls what they thought about my style.

Speaker 5 We had more conversations about, you know, the thing that shall not be spoken about, the prank.

Speaker 5 I'm trying to think of what else did we talk about. I think it was an hour mostly of that type of content.

Speaker 1 Are you happy you went on Roni or do you regret going on Roni?

Speaker 5 I have zero regrets. Zero.
Okay. I have a lot of lessons I learned.
I, we got incredible things. I had incredible opportunities.
I made some good friends out of it.

Speaker 5 And, you know, there are parts that are really, really fun. And part of what was sad about last night when I made my statement, I was like, There's a lot of things I'm going to miss.

Speaker 5 Um, but it wasn't, you know, for me, something I wanted to chase that feeling of the anxiety, the mental headspace that you have to be in in those moments.

Speaker 5 Um, and it got dark, as you saw on the finale, and I didn't want to be in those moments.

Speaker 5 I feel like I've done a really thorough job of going through my life and trying to eliminate as much negativity as I can. And so, for me, it was like, where are the good feelings?

Speaker 5 And let me chase that. I love what I do at Female Founder Collective.
I love talking about my book and having my podcast. I love designing.
I love being with my family. Let's chase those feelings.

Speaker 5 And so that was where I had to say, it doesn't matter about money or it being amazing for my business. If it's, if it causes those things to my heart, it's not worth it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I could, I could never, I mean, I give all the housewives and every person in the Bravo community a lot of credit just because it asks a lot of its cast members to, you know, really, really be open about everything in their life, whether you want to be open about it or not.

Speaker 1 They, you know, the audience really is demanding of that.

Speaker 1 I guess my question, when you said yes to the experience, were you surprised just how demanding Bravo, its fans, and I guess production is of, you know, it's like, I don't think they seem to care much about your boundaries, so to speak, right?

Speaker 1 And I think that's kind of like this unwritten rule of reality TV in in general, and specifically with Bravo and its fans, with its cast members.

Speaker 1 It's like, if you want us to root for you, if you want to be on the show, you got to just talk about all of it, even rumors and yada, yada, which is crazy behavior, but like that is, that is what is expected.

Speaker 1 Did you realize that when you signed up for it?

Speaker 1 Or is that something you kind of discovered or like, or just realized just how authentic, you know, Bravo and its fan base and community expects of its housewives and its cast people?

Speaker 5 I was fully warned. So I went open with with eyes wide awake.

Speaker 5 I was happy to share anything that was asked or questions that were brought up if they were done with the right intention in certain topics, which I'm sure you're going to ask me about.

Speaker 5 I don't think I was prepared for the media to twist my words like what they did over and over again. That surprised me that I could take something that was positive or funny.

Speaker 5 And then it's like, I think I said on an interview, like, I literally was with Jenna Lyons saying, like, ha ha, wouldn't it be funny if we were rivals? It was a joke.

Speaker 5 Even in the interview, I say it's a joke. And then the headline is, Rebecca tries to produce fake scene with Jenna Lyons.
I was like, are you kidding me?

Speaker 5 You know, like, just that was really shocking to me. And it made me want to not open up because you're like, now what are people going to say? So that was hard to navigate.

Speaker 5 I'm sure from this interview, people are going to twist my words again. And I'm like, okay, here we go.
Let's see what they come up with now.

Speaker 5 So it's, that's a fascinating thing to see how reality can be twisted like that.

Speaker 3 I said this earlier, and I'd love to know your opinion on it, but I thought it was very strange how they crucified you for not talking about your religions and all of that stuff.

Speaker 3 But we have Jenna Lyons who doesn't open up about what she had for breakfast.

Speaker 3 So like, how do you find the balance of like, why do I get hold to this such high expectation, but other people in this cast don't?

Speaker 5 You know, I think in the moment when I was going through a reunion whack-a-mole, as I'll call it,

Speaker 5 it was something that came to my mind. I was like, wait, there's a lot of things that people aren't talking about.

Speaker 5 And there are a lot of things that were done and reshot by some other cast members when they weren't happy with the outcome. Why is this just on me?

Speaker 5 But I think I don't know what goes into the minds of who gets the favoritism or the free pass and who doesn't. But I think that

Speaker 5 certain people were allowed to not talk about things and that was okay for them to have those boundaries.

Speaker 5 And with me, the irony, right if i would have come in and been like want to talk about it want me to share everything people would have been like she's proselytizing she's trying to convert people so either way

Speaker 5 right if i was going to be reserved or and or if you're you know asking me respectfully i'll engage but any way i played it in that scenario i likely would have been attacked so sometimes you just go you know what I can't please all and I'm just going to do the best that I can do, if that makes sense.

Speaker 1 Yeah, totally.

Speaker 1 Do you have like, as far as the bren and UBA of it all, you know, and we mentioned this kind of earlier, you know, obviously this is a very sensitive topic as it relates to what happened to Bryn.

Speaker 1 But like, yeah, how do you see it? Because another thing that I really noticed, too, it's just like all the women were just basically calling Bryn a liar about many things.

Speaker 1 You know, like, it's like Bryn would say, I had ketchup, whatever.

Speaker 1 And she's like, you didn't say that, you know, and at the same time, we obviously want to hold space for Bryn and this very terrible event that happened to her.

Speaker 1 How did you see it in terms of the other women being so certain of Bryn's intentions? Because while it does seem like Bryn has some issues with the truth, when it came to this event

Speaker 1 of Bryn's confession about what happened to her, in some ways I understand Bryn being like,

Speaker 1 I wasn't in the right mindset.

Speaker 1 This is a very traumatic event.

Speaker 1 People are coming at her. She's obviously triggered.
And while it seems like she, you know, I understand Uba's frustration. I understand that they have a lot to work through.

Speaker 1 Some of the other women being so certain of Bryn's intention and accusing her of trying to destroy Uba, that was a little lost on me because how can they be so sure of something, especially when we're talking about sexual assault, we're talking about trauma and things of that nature?

Speaker 1 But where do you land on that topic?

Speaker 5 I land on the topic first and foremost. I 100% believe what Bryn said happened to her.

Speaker 5 And I think that that any woman who has had to go through that experience, I can't even imagine what's going through your mind and how you talk about it afterwards.

Speaker 5 You know, being there in that moment, seeing it all go down in real time, it was very clear that Uba did not know.

Speaker 5 And that once again, as we saw throughout the season, Bryn was stirring the pot and it went too far. The pot.
overflowed.

Speaker 5 And I think, you know, none of us were recording this and maybe we should have. Cameras were down.
Everyone had gone home.

Speaker 5 And when she was telling us the story of how it got, you know, how she told Uba and details were missing and things were changing, it just became clear that Uba did not know.

Speaker 5 I don't think that anyone swears on their deceased mother or their future unborn child or has the visceral reaction. I was in the room with Uba.

Speaker 5 I was the one sitting in front of her getting her to come back down to earth because she was not here.

Speaker 5 I was packing her bag for her so she could leave for the hotel. Someone doesn't act like that if they knew.
So I think two things can be true.

Speaker 5 What Bryn went through sounds horrific and a nightmare, but to weaponize that as Sai said is, it's unacceptable. And we watched these little lies and these twisting of truths all season.

Speaker 5 It was very obvious. You know, happened to me right away almost.
So I think that, yeah, it's sad.

Speaker 1 Do you think Bryn's intention was to weaponize it? I mean, you were there. So maybe we're being a little critical of the other ladies.

Speaker 5 I I don't think she goes, ooh, let me weaponize this. I think she said, ooh, let me start, you know, this fight and have it be chaos.

Speaker 5 Because all night, if you, if you look back, you know, for 24 hours, she was throwing out bait to different people. She threw it out to Aaron.
She threw it out to Jesse.

Speaker 5 You know, she... in one scene and if they ever want to play this footage, you know, she's like, why don't you start this? And I was like, I wasn't there.
I'm not doing that.

Speaker 5 And, you know, she takes a shot, rolls her shoulders back and throws out the bait. So to me, I think she was just looking for someone to bite.

Speaker 5 And unfortunately, it was the wrong topic to have someone bite.

Speaker 1 So you, you think she knew what she was saying when she said it and she knew she was saying something that wasn't true?

Speaker 5 I think she knew what she was saying. I don't think she knew the drastic consequences.
I think she thought maybe this will end and erupt like any other situation, but this.

Speaker 5 This topic, you can't do that with. But I don't want to assume and put words in her mouth or tell anyone what, what she was thinking because I, I have no idea, to be honest.

Speaker 1 We understand that, but you, you were there.

Speaker 1 And it's like, it's easy for us to debate, you know, hypotheticals when we weren't, you know, like it's, it matters to see someone's body language and look on their face when they say something, as opposed to like, maybe she was hysterical and you're like, I don't know, maybe she honestly had no idea what she was saying.

Speaker 1 So it's interesting to hear your point of view.

Speaker 5 I think it was just a bad, bad move on the chessboard to have that be the topic.

Speaker 3 Do you think Bryn is trying to produce the show?

Speaker 5 I think that at times she tried to produce, yes. Yeah.

Speaker 5 And I think that no one wants that. So I think we didn't like it.
The producers didn't like it.

Speaker 3 The fans didn't like it.

Speaker 5 But at the end of the day, you need conflict. And would we have had conflict without Bryn? I don't know.
So in a way, she can be great for that franchise.

Speaker 1 That's tough. I mean, look at it.
You know, this drama aside, I mean, to that point, it's like, you know, if Jenna, if Jenna is going to be like, how's my robe?

Speaker 5 You know, like, it's really tough to work with that you know if your stick is the unproblematic queen I don't know how to work with that it's like listen I would sit there going okay none of us are naturally and organically gonna fight and you know what sometimes I'm like Bryn took one for the team in a way that she she was aware of of the conflict that needs to happen in order for this to be interesting

Speaker 5 good or bad. And I think that, you know, at the end of the day, though, it needs to be real.
It shouldn't be produced.

Speaker 3 How did it feel to be in a space that these people preach like, you know, women empower men and support women and this and that. And then to have all of these women bash your brand.

Speaker 5 Well, luckily, it was only two people bashing my brand.

Speaker 1 Who were the two?

Speaker 5 I think it was only two. I think it was just Bryn and then Erin at the end.

Speaker 3 Well, there was the interview, I think, of, wasn't it Uber, someone saying that you had gifted them the bags and they were like, yeah, I haven't worn them or not my style.

Speaker 5 That was Aaron.

Speaker 1 Uba said she liked the bag, and so I don't count her as okay, okay, okay.

Speaker 5 I guess it hurt more when Aaron did it because Aaron's my friend. Right.
It hurt less when Bryn did it. It was actually a gift because I was like, Oh, I see you now.

Speaker 5 Okay, this is the game we're playing. Cool.
Uh, it did not hurt me in the way that I think everyone expected. Like, they were like, Why didn't you stand up for yourself?

Speaker 5 I'm like, I don't even need this. Is petty to me.
Do you know what has happened to me in the 20 years I've built my business? Like, I have been single, white, female in my own company.

Speaker 5 I have had, you know, things thrown at me. Like you name it, I have experienced it.
So someone trashing a brand just shows that they don't understand business, frankly.

Speaker 5 So that was not upsetting to me. It was just like, thank you for the gift.
You know, my gut is right. I see you.
For Aaron, I was like, that sucks. That really sucks.

Speaker 5 And then I went low as well and I clapped back and here we are today, not talking.

Speaker 3 I mean, I think that's what's so upsetting is like they focused so much on other things in your life that it's like, you seem like you have been through so much and you have worked your way to such a high level of success that it's like, I would have loved to learn that about you, but they weren't interested in, you know.

Speaker 5 You know, that was the disappointment I had because going in and I truly believe this when I had my conversations with production, it was like eight elevated women, all self-made, diverse backgrounds, fun, funny.

Speaker 5 You know, with who I am and what I stand for and what I do all day long. I would never, I think, have agreed to come into this type of environment had I known.

Speaker 5 And maybe someone can say that was naive of me, but that's what I was genuinely told. And it was reiterated many times.

Speaker 5 And so I think it's, it's just this, you know, like, all right, how am I going to navigate this in a way? I have to remain authentic to me. And I did show more.

Speaker 5 There are scenes on the cutting room floor, you know, of fun office stuff with my daughter and photo shoots and dinner, you know, a dinner event, me and Jenna and Jessie and Raquel would do.

Speaker 5 Jessil and I did this fashion and founders event for 30 incredible designers. That was all there.

Speaker 5 You know, Uba put together an amazing panel with Fern Malice and me and Melissa Wood Tepperberg, and we talked about our careers, all gone. So it was there.
Yeah. If

Speaker 5 people had made the decision that that was important. And I think women are ready to see this stuff on TV.
You can have both.

Speaker 5 You can have these powerful, awesome moments, and then you can have the petty fighting. But for whatever reason, it was all just this,

Speaker 5 Becky doesn't talk and she's boring.

Speaker 1 How much of your religion specifically to Scientology do you think impacted your experience on this season?

Speaker 5 You mean in how I was viewed?

Speaker 1 Well, that too, and how the women, you know, like, I didn't realize when you would come on, they would, you know, your entire conversation would be mostly centered around that.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I didn't, I didn't realize that either.

Speaker 1 But yeah, it, it, do you think that's ultimately what framed your character arc or whatever? You know, they seem to focus on that.

Speaker 5 There was a lot of focus on it. I very much felt like there's an entire world here, as I mentioned, just three scenarios that was not focused on.
Again, I can't speak to why.

Speaker 5 I'm assuming it's clickbait headlines and attention getting because it is a newer religion. People don't understand it.
So they

Speaker 5 will click that over something else.

Speaker 5 I was disappointed in the fact that, you know, with almost everyone, I was happy to have the conversation, but I'm only going to have it with you if it's genuine and it's your interest.

Speaker 5 It's not this salacious type seeking opportunity.

Speaker 5 And so that's where when I know you're going to do that, like at the picnic, if you've never bothered to get to know me and my experience with you thus far is these little annoying jabs and taking down my brand.

Speaker 5 You think I'm going to open up to you about my most personal and private beliefs? Like, who the hell would? Yeah.

Speaker 5 You know, so it was like a little laughable to me that they're like, you should have opened up more. Oh, really? You made it safe for me? I don't think so.

Speaker 5 And so that's how I kind of felt about it.

Speaker 1 I'm going to try to ask you a question around this. You can let me know if you think it's respectful or not.
Okay. But I want you to feel comfortable.

Speaker 1 There was a scene you had with Aaron, like when she brought it up to you, and you said something I found very interesting.

Speaker 1 Or Aaron brought up criticisms that Scientology has received or something to that effect.

Speaker 1 And you said something like, you know, like all religions, there are good and bad aspects to it or something like that.

Speaker 1 And like, you have pulled through what you found to be the good aspects of that, right? Something to that effect? Does that resonate with you?

Speaker 5 Was it the reunion?

Speaker 1 No, you guys were at like a lunch or something, you know, and you were basically like, hey, listen, like, there's just things that I've personally have benefited from, you know, being a Scientologist where it was like, I'm just saying, like, I kind of related to that comment.

Speaker 1 I grew up very Catholic, right? So

Speaker 1 I have very positive experiences growing up Catholic. I don't practice much anymore these days, but my experience was always positive, right?

Speaker 1 And I resonated with that comment because like as someone who grew up Catholic, I was also very much made aware from people a lot of times who weren't Catholic, some of their criticisms of the Catholic faith, specifically with some of the things that priests have done and some of the, quite honestly, like some of the very terrible accusations that have centered around Catholic religion.

Speaker 1 So, and as someone who was a Catholic, you know, it's like I felt like I could still be a proud Catholic while also acknowledge, you know, that some things have gone on in the church that I don't necessarily stand for or agree with, but acknowledge that maybe they have happened.

Speaker 1 And I think, you know, like for me, for example, and I'll just speak for myself, I know very little about your religion. I'm fully, and most of what I know is the criticisms it's received.

Speaker 1 And I think, and some of those criticisms make you a little uncomfortable sometimes where you're just like, I don't even know how to talk to a Scientologist.

Speaker 1 I don't even know if it's safe to talk to a Scientologist because of some of the stuff I've heard.

Speaker 1 And I think sometimes people have those questions about the criticisms because like they just want to know like what's up, you know, type of thing where it's like, do you, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 Like, so I do.

Speaker 1 It feels like sometimes a refusal to like even acknowledge some of the criticisms or even talk about them, which makes some people, I think, not speaking for other people per se, but like even myself, where it's just like,

Speaker 1 well, what's up with that? You know, because I can say like fucking some Catholic priests like deserve to be in prison and I'm cool with saying that, you know, does that make sense?

Speaker 5 It makes total sense. So I'll say a couple things.
I think that when you have any activity that involves millions of people, there are going to be some dissatisfied customers, right?

Speaker 5 No one is discounting that. I can only speak from my experience of having done it and applied it to my life for the last 20 years of what it's done for me.

Speaker 5 I also think that I am never, ever, ever uncomfortable by anyone asking me anything. You could ask me all the crazy questions about everything you've heard any time of day.

Speaker 5 It is only when I know I'm on a reality TV show, they're going to cut this. They're going to have someone say something behind my back about it.

Speaker 5 It doesn't, and going in, you know, there are these preconceived ideas. Like, and I said it last night at the reunion.
This show is not the format to answer.

Speaker 5 everyone's questions in terms of am I going to get a fair shot? And I think you can see I didn't get a fair shot.

Speaker 5 So my, my observations were probably correct. But if you wanted to ask me whatever you wanted, if we wanted to sit down and have a drink and you go, okay, this is everything.

Speaker 5 Oh my gosh, I'm happy to clear that up because it's the misconceptions about it that I think people

Speaker 5 do want to know and rightfully so, you know, and one of the things that Brent didn't like, I was like, read a book, you know, go to the website. It's free.

Speaker 5 And she thought that was weird. But I'm like, but that's the, that's the source of the information, you know?

Speaker 5 So

Speaker 5 I'm never scared or uncomfortable, but it does come down to intention behind it. Is it to know and be curious and want to clarify? Or is it to be snide and dig and try and, you know,

Speaker 5 make someone wrong, if that makes sense?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, I, yeah, I guess I understand it.

Speaker 1 I mean, like, when it comes to some of the criticisms, are you like, do you acknowledge that, like, you know, like, are any of the rumors or like, is there must be some truths?

Speaker 1 about them, you know, kind of like I said, like, you know, like you said, you can't speak for everyone, but I'm, I acknowledge that, like, you know, I, I mean, shit, a priest I knew growing up turned out to be a bad guy.

Speaker 5 I mean, we'd have to sit here and go through every one of them.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, but like, I, and that's not my intention of doing that.

Speaker 5 Raquel brought up, like, I have to give a percentage of my salary. I, I texted her, I was like, by the way, ma'am, I don't give anything to anyone that I don't want to give to.
So let's just be clear.

Speaker 5 And she's like, well, good, because that would be a lot of money. You know, and it was just like, no, I don't have to give a part of my salary to anything.
It's, it's my money.

Speaker 5 And so I think that there's, you know, again, everyone has different questions, but I can tell you that the things that were asked of me, at least from the cast,

Speaker 5 that I answered, whether with Jesslyn or Kel, no, those things are not true. And for me, again,

Speaker 5 it helped me overcome extreme depression, depression that I thought I could never get out of.

Speaker 5 It helped me be a better mom and communicator and raise children that, you know, while they're not perfect, neither am I,

Speaker 5 are good, happy kids.

Speaker 1 Okay. Well, thank you for answering some of those questions.
What's next for you, Rebecca?

Speaker 5 Well, my book, Fearless, is out in paperback. I guess you could say I was a bit fearless going in and getting out of Roney.

Speaker 5 And

Speaker 5 my goal was in writing this book was to have 22 very easy tools that you can remember when you're facing things that scare the fuck out of you. And do you proceed?

Speaker 5 And so after 20 years in business, I felt like I had enough insane stories stories to tell. So I'm telling you these rules through

Speaker 5 my stories of failure and cringeworthy moments and the lessons I learned. And then I have my podcast, which continues to be exceptionally exciting with the guests I have.

Speaker 5 And

Speaker 5 just working on my 20th anniversary, which is all year long, we're just going to party.

Speaker 1 All right. Well, thank you for taking the time, Rebecca.
We really appreciate it. Sad to see you leave, Roni, and wishing you nothing but the best going forward.

Speaker 5 Thank you guys for having me.

Speaker 1 Thank you, Rebecca.

Speaker 1 It was very uncomfortable asking that Scientology question. I think you did that very, very well.

Speaker 3 Listen, I 100% get where she's coming from.

Speaker 3 If you are of any, to talk, to open up about any personal aspect of your life, whether it's your beliefs, whether it's whatever you practice, whether it's children, whether it's past trauma, like anything in your life, you don't want to open that up in a room of people who don't give a fuck about you.

Speaker 3 I get that. And like don't create a safe space.
Like, I 100% get where she's coming from. I wouldn't answer any questions either.
Same.

Speaker 1 Same.

Speaker 4 I think it was gross of Bravo to do what they did to her regarding Scientology.

Speaker 3 However,

Speaker 4 why bring her, like, why bring her on the show? And then why platform something that's that controversial in that way without like fully having the capability to deal with it?

Speaker 3 It's just why did they do it? And cut out every other thing she ever shot for the show. It's like, you brought her on.
Yeah, it's gross.

Speaker 4 Because now she's reality TV's like. spokeswoman of Scientology.

Speaker 3 I'm also so confused because I feel like they're making weird editing choices.

Speaker 3 Because Vanita from Southern Charm also posted a video earlier this week, and it was from the past episode of them being out at a bar and like having fun and drinking and all the stuff.

Speaker 3 And it's like, we don't get to see any of that. This season has been so boring.

Speaker 3 And then to come to find out that they filmed all of these events and things that they were actually working with together.

Speaker 3 It's like, why did we see none of that besides you guys sitting two by two talking about other cast members? I would have loved to see her at a photo shoot with her children.

Speaker 3 I would have loved to see her speak about her business. I would have loved to see her in other rooms with the women, but it's like, yeah, that is.

Speaker 1 It was scary though, but maybe it just didn't land. Maybe she was boring.

Speaker 7 Bravo needs to bring back their unseen footage episodes.

Speaker 7 They used to do it every single season of Housewise, where like the last two episodes were after reunion, and it was just like every single footage you haven't seen, just there to watch.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Vanderpump, they did that on Vanderpump too, and it was just like the most chaotic scenes that didn't make the episode. But even then, the episodes were chaotic and good.

Speaker 3 It's like you're cutting out all of the meat and bones and all of the good stuff, and then you're handing us a carcass being like, how do you feel about this? And it's like, we're like,

Speaker 1 boring.

Speaker 1 No taste, no flavor, no seasoning, no meat.

Speaker 1 I think it's safe to say all these ladies on Roney were very measured and very safe and very like uncomfortable with leaning in, except for Bryn.

Speaker 1 And not to excuse her for some of the behavior we saw, it was interesting to hear Rebecca like, you know, to all these women, it seems very clear that they think.

Speaker 1 Bryn knew what she was saying when she was saying it.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 3 I was like, the only other person I feel like that was like vulnerable or gave us something outside of dynamics in this friendship group was Raquel, who actually like opened up about her relationship with her parents and all that stuff.

Speaker 3 And I was like, why does nobody else get like Jesse?

Speaker 3 And Jesse did too, for sure. But I'm like, yeah.

Speaker 3 So it's like, but with these people that have so much power and Raquel is just as powerful as a Jenna Lyons, for example, that I'm like, why are we, why are we not having like Rebecca showing her at events, showing her like interacting with other people besides just people talking about her?

Speaker 1 I think the one criticism I wanted to ask Rebecca about Scientology is the accusations around some of the people in that communities are known to harass and bully former members.

Speaker 1 It's tough because like, I get that, I get, I get what you're all saying. I really, I do.
We don't talk about religion, period, on the show. You know, we don't be like, why are you Buddhist?

Speaker 1 You know, like, you know, we don't interrogate people's religions, but with this particular one, there is a lot more controversy around it with a lot more salacious.

Speaker 1 theories and accusations that do make you uncomfortable given like a lot of people's belief that they are not rumors that they're truths

Speaker 1 Um, and there does seem to be a cageiness or a resistance to talk about it. I know Rebecca, you know, I just, I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 4 She she had the talking points that many, many Scientologists that speak publicly about Scientology have.

Speaker 4 It's similar, they all say very, very similar things in a way that leads many people to believe that there's a coaching aspect of it, the communication aspect of it is a big part of it.

Speaker 1 It's a tricky, it's a tricky one.

Speaker 4 Yeah, so she seems lovely. Yeah, she does.
She seems lovely.

Speaker 4 Yeah, anyway, anyone who ever wants to watch the documentary,

Speaker 4 going clear,

Speaker 4 it makes you, is it a religion? I don't, like, it's a complicated question.

Speaker 1 Well, she seems delightful, and we wish her nothing but the best. And hopefully she's able to maintain her friendships with most of the cast.
And I hope that Aaron and her can reconcile.

Speaker 1 All right, well, that wraps it up for today.

Speaker 1 Don't forget to check out that interview with Carl Ratke. We have a really big week lined up for you next week.
Super excited about what is coming up then. We will see you then.
Bye.