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Better sleep starts now what's going on everybody welcome back to another exciting episode of the vile files reality recap edition i'm. I'm your host, Nick.
And is Cowboy Carter a country album? Here's the thing. I have some stats, pro and against, if you guys would like to hear them.
She's a cowgirl. I first didn't care.
I was happy for Beyonce. And then I did start seeing some videos of people listening to songs on the album.
Cherry picking, as you so that's definitely as the internet does yeah yeah the internet is is yeah i guess it would like you get you know country song of the year but yeah if they're not all country songs on the album how do you get country album there was definitely there was definitely at least some some videos i saw Certainly cherry picked that I was like, oh. Yeah.
Okay. Well, you know I'm a stat queen.

I love stats. So I have some stats about it.
Self-proclaimed. Self-proclaimed stat queen here.
The argument for Beyoncé's Cowboy Carter being a country album is, she's from Texas, country, state. You know, lead single.
I'm from Wisconsin. But Texas.

You're a country boy. I don't know if we necessarily claim Texas as like.

But it's cowboy.

Okay.

Rodeo.

You know, and also.

Listen, she's making an argument.

Okay.

I have against.

I have against arguments as well.

I'm unbiased.

Texas roadhouse.

Mary is unbiased.

I'm unbiased.

Has banjo in it.

There is a banjo.

In the song Sweet Honeybuckin,

which first off called Sweet Honeybuckin,

Beyonce says,

look at that horse.

Look at that horse.

Look at that horse.

Horses,

big themes in country music.

True.

Dolly Parton,

Willie Nelson,

and Shaboozy on the album.

Willie Nelson.

Willie Nelson.

Willie Nelson.

Also,

even though Beyonce never released a country music before, neither did Post Malone. And now he has one too.
Also, she has a song about alligators, which to my Southern culture is country. The argument against.
It's more like swampy. Swampy, but swamp is country.
Don't you have it on your farm? It doesn't sound like that. You ever drink a bush light riding on a boat through the Everglades? That's country.
And you see an alligator right there? What is a bush light? A bush light? A little John boat, yeah. A little bush latte? It's definitely country.
Those people are definitely listening to country music. Exactly.
But how many songs total are on album? How many songs total are on album? Let's see. The album? What's our? On the Cowboy Harder.
On album. On record.
We speak in shorthand these days. One of the songs is called American Requiem.
27. 27 songs.
That's actually a lot. That's so many.
I will say, and it's an art piece. If there's 12 songs that are fully country, it's a country album.
Okay, here's the argument against. Beyonce has not previously released a country album.
Don't care about that. She's experimenting with the genre.
She raps in spaghetti, but that is spaghetti western. It's one of the songs.
Yes. Yeah, but like country.
Jason Aldean has rapped in Dirt Road Anthem. Yeah, Florida Georgia Line had Nelly and a bunch of.
Yes. The album overall does combine many genres, which is is the point of it so it's kind of a genre-less album by design well then how do you win a genre award if it's a genre-less album exactly and then also and maybe and maybe the most important part country musicians typically drive big trucks and drink a lot of beer with songs focusing on these two things beyonce does neither those things in the album.
Does she have a dog? I don't know. See? Kind of need a dog.
Kind of need a dog. You need a dog.
You need a lifted four-wheeler. You need a hitch.
Does Daisy have a lifted truck? Maybe one. I say this as a total outsider because I definitely have embraced country music over the past couple years.
But I'm definitely not part of the gang. I would love to be welcomed.
But I don't think I'm really in a position to be like... You may yee-haw, but you don't ha-yee.
Yeah, sure. Who were our other nominees? The other nominees.
Good question. Kacey Musgraves.
I think she was Post Malone Country album of the year nominee. I just feel like for the longest of times, country music was excluded from all the other award shows.
It's like country music wasn't even welcomed at the Grammys or the AMAs and stuff like that. So they created their own industry.
And now that it's popping, all the other musical geniuses want to get a part of the nookie, you know? Well, Cowboy Carter goes back to 2016 when Beyonce performed with the Chicks at the CMAs and the Dixie Chicks. They rebranded to the Chicks.
Yeah. After they got canceled by the country music.
Well, they didn't get canceled for that. But anyway, so in 2016, CMAs, Beyonce and the Chicks performed Daddy Lessons off of Beyonce's Lemonade, which is a country song.
And that performance, banger. Kenny Chesney and many other people pissed about it.
They're so mad Beyonce's there. Beyonce takes that personally, a la Michael Jordan.
And she makes Cowboy Carter and then wins Best Country Album.

Michael Jordan?

And I took that personally.

Okay, wait, so who else was nominated?

We have Cowboy Carter, obviously,

Higher by Chris Stapleton,

Deeper Well, Casey Musgraves, Banger Album,

F1 Trillion, Post Malone,

Whirlwind, Lainey Wilson.

I'm going to be honest, if Chris Stapleton is in the mix, how is he

not winning? But would you not say he's more

Southern rock? No.

Casey Musgraves. Casey Musgraves, also great.

This sounds like Beyonce won this award

because she's Beyonce. Or is it because Chris Stapleton

didn't have a banjo in his album?

Chris Stapleton has a banjo

in his heart. Chris Stapleton has had a banjo

out of the womb. Yeah.

Chris Stapleton was born with a banjo. Post Malone, though.
On a trailer hitch. F1 Trillard.
F1 Trillard. Post Malone goes from trap to country, and that's okay? Have you seen Post Malone's first musical video? It's awesome.
Musical video? Okay. Musical video? Okay.
Performance? That's sweet. Thank you.
You're welcome. That's sweet Thank you You're welcome That's giving Nick is also still Emotional manipulative Nick's also still saying It's a bop Aww We're not calling Songs a bop? No We can What are the kids saying? Cronk Are you being serious? Please don't say cronk That's so cronk That's so cronk Not Mary's, please don't.
Yeah, say crunk. People that say bop think that Monday is the first day of the week.
Leah thinks Monday is the first day of the week. It's not.
I think you guys are dominated by the work week and not life. I also think Monday is the first day of the week.
Sunday. But it's just not.
But it is. Look on your calendar.
It's such a Gen Z thing to say. I'm just going to decide what it is for me because it makes my feelings no it just is what makes sense like you're what you're doing on the weekend and then oh monday is the start of your week you're like oh let me get my shit we're going into work but if you look at the count you're still smoking weed on sunday and like you say that like oh it's the weekend okay well if it's the weekend it can't be the first of the week.
That's like someone working third shift saying 5 p.m. is the morning.
To them it is. Sure.
But also you're saying that the week starts on Monday because you have a Monday through Friday job. Some people work on the weekends.
Boom. Also, open up your calendar app.
What day of the week starts the week? Who invented the calendar app? According to most Western calendars, Sunday is considered the first day of the week. However, the international standard ISO 8601 Oh my god, not AI Robot.
Designates Monday as the first day of the week. That sounds like nerds think Monday is the first day of the week.
Freaking nerds. Have you ever heard of the Sunday Scaries? It's because your week has already started.
No, that's because your weekend's over and you're going into so you just said the weekend's over so the beginning of the week is sunday at 12 o'clock at 12 o'clock a.m it's over you're a monday monday is the beginning of the week and monday is my favorite day of the week because it's like, well, actually not really anymore. She used to say that when she like.
It used to be because that was the day that I disagree with. When she was in the industry, you know? Well, that was my favorite surgery day.
Okay, you made that sound. Industry sounded kind of ominous.
Like I was like, what, sitting on a couch? Something like casting couch. Oh my God.
Why was Monday the best day for surgery? Because it was my favorite. I was doing orthopedics and it was my favorite surgery day.
And so was like Monday's my favorite day of the week and Nick was like I've never heard that before that's so stupid I said stupid I think so and then now I'm like okay it's not and you're like yeah you used to say that because you used to want to be like different and quirky maybe I'm not like all the other girls I love Monday she's so interesting my girlfriend 4am is the best time to wake up Is your girlfriend a little bit younger than you? But yeah, don't worry She thinks Monday is the coolest day of the week What day of the week do you think Reese with her? I'm different I think 4am is the best time to get up Because you get so many things done before you start your day Exactly, I like to work out at 4am Well, have an amazing episode. What? I was just going to circle us back to the Grammys for a second because I wanted to say justice for Babyface.
Yeah, we forgot to talk about that on Tuesday's episode. I think most people have seen this by now.
But did those ladies get fired? No, but I think most... They didn't? Well, I don't know.
But most people also haven't seen that. They apologized right after, too.
So what? They did apologize immediately. Because people are clipping them, interrupting it, and not giving the context of, like, so when she apologized, she was like, I just want to formally say, like, I'm really sorry to Babyface and, like, the people watching.
Like, I was being tapped on the shoulder, and a lot of people were saying, like, chapel, chapel, chapel. So it was like, she was kind of pressured to then, like, interrupt it, and she immediately was like, I'm like i'm sorry that wasn't like but then she tried to defend it with like i'm such a big fan of baby face and it's like okay name your top five baby face song no but it's just like you can't say you're a fan and like get your way out of things just because you're like such a big fan of them someone deserves to get fired maybe it wasn't them.
I mean, they're getting death threats online, so it's like... That's

too far. I've seen a lot of comments

and stuff where it's like, they were just doing their jobs

and maybe they did it wrong because someone was

tapping on their shoulder. It's definitely

possible that it's not their fault.

Doing those red carpet interviews,

they're hard. It's live, it's in real time,

it's very fast, you get people coming in and out.

Sometimes you're really going to teleprompter, which

for me, that's

a nightmare. But yeah, you have producers

and cameramen all around you. You got

I'm going to go ahead. it's very fast you get people coming in and out like sometimes you're really a teleprompter which for me that's that's a nightmare but yeah you have producers and cameramen all around you that you got like someone in your ear like literally you have a phony mic in your ear so like but someone deserves to be fired maybe not those two ladies because it may be like maybe someone was like hey it's chapel like get chapel chapel chapel chapel chapel chapel chapel chapel chapel chapel chapel and they're like i okay like i you know and they were listening to someone but whoever made that call deserves to be fired they must they have to be like also then it puts like chapel in such a bad look right because like all the baby face fans like you know like you know you know there's some asshole out there like blaming chapel for this I think that's what I saw.
That's not fair.

No, she did not do any.

She literally was just existing.

But someone, whoever,

maybe Faith was in a mid-sentence.

He was just like,

hey, what's your favorite day of the week?

And he was like, let me tell you why Monday is.

And he was just getting into point three and they just said, get the fuck out of the way.

It was rude.

He was so respectful about it, though. He was.
Every time he closes his eyes. What are you supposed to do though? Like well baby face, he couldn't be like I'm talking.
No I loved how he handled it. He handled it very graciously.
Yeah the reporters need to ask him when can I see you again? So true. Sorry we're throwing around baby face references.
My mom loves baby face. chance no i don't that would be somehow blaming chapel a collaboration what well chapel has been proven to be a bit prickly on the red carpet so like maybe they were just like oh this is their only moment to get chapel because like well whatever she doesn't then they don't get chapel oh yeah i feel like it's so she would have been like, don't scream my name like that in front of baby face.
Yeah. Don't scream at me.
Throw chapel. Chapel.
In front of baby face. Chapel.
Chapel. That made me so angry.
She couldn't hear us because we didn't want to yell. We were whispering.
Anyway, we got a great episode for you lined up today. But before we Let you know all about that don't forget to listen

To the Going Deeper episode with Carl

Racky that dropped yesterday for

All you Summer House fans out there or just

Bravo fans in general really enjoyed

Getting to know Carl it was a lovely

Lovely interview

You know

I really love I really appreciate it

Especially when we think someone like it might be too

Afraid to come on I think he was very open

He was awesome honest

I really feel like I got to know the guy. Right? I have so much respect for him.
And he looks great. He looks fantastic.
Very tall. He's really been through a lot.
Very tall. Certified hot.
I was waiting for the married woman to say it. You want to jump Carl's bones? Did you not? No.
Well, he's not jumping.'s objectively hot. He's hot.
He told me he liked my Steelers jacket because he's from Pittsburgh and I was like, okay. He was so kind and so sweet.
I think we all got a little like, okay, Carl. A lot of comments were confused by his jean cut on the bottom because it was like yoga but also kind of boot cut but also like flair it was a little flair it was giving fashion it wasn't bagged it was a flair but also skinny jeanish it was skinny skinny skinny skinny flair but isn't it like kind of hard for tall guys to shop wasn't he like known as like skinny jean queen yeah I say good for him for branching out.
And that's without a girlfriend. Period.
But he is fucking. He is fucking.
Well. My favorite part.
He gets into all that in that episode. Yeah.
I got to say, I give, you know, give a lot of credit to a middle-aged man. I say that as one myself, who got away, got outside of the skinny jeans without a girlfriend.
You didn't. I know.
No. Exactly.
It took you shaming me, you know? She said, what are those? Still? It's like, woo, those are tight. They're still.
Those are tight. I can see your veins through your jeans.
We should probably change. Only one of us.
And I got big old meaty thighs. And sometimes.
Nick has a booty. And yeah.
Sometimes it was like. You don't need to look like a gymnast.
Yeah. It's giving Simone.
It was a pair of like tights. For sure.
I was always. Pole vaulter.
Leggings. I was sticking it.
I'm just imagining you in those jeans. Well, Maddie Reese from Southern Hospitality is joining us in a little bit.
And then Rebecca Minkoff from Roni will be joining us. We started watching the reunion.
We gave up on the rest of the season, but started on the reunion. Sometimes that's all you need to do.
I was like, the season was so slow that I'm like, I think the reunions were so good that by the end of the second reunion, I was like, I actually don't want any of the cast members to be replaced. And I kind of curious to see what happens next.
Ooh. Right? We've been excited to talk to Rebecca.
I didn't know what to expect going into booking her. And then we watched last night's episode.
I wasn't anticipating asking much about the Scientology. It feels a little even uncomfy to say.
You know? Wonder why. Does a cloud be like...
Is Scientology in the room with us? with us yeah anyway we were like hey listen we're not we're not that interested in like you know i'm not here to like interrogate people about their we don't talk about religion on this show right but then like she walked out and it was just 10 minutes of them talking about scientology so i don't really know where we go with this so we shall see my big thing is thing is someone who was raised Catholic. I have a lot of great experiences from growing up Catholic, great memories, but I can acknowledge that the Catholic Church has their sins.
And there's some people in positions of power in the Catholic Church who don't deserve to be, or who have done some very terrible things. And I can acknowledge that as a Catholic person.
And I think sometimes the struggle people have with Scientology is that like, there are some serious accusations about people in that community and people have some questions. And when the people have these questions, they're like, it's really helped me with my communication skills.
I can give you a book recommendation and you should read it for yourself and see what conclusions you come to. So it's like, it's a little tricky.
Anyways, we have Rebecca Minkoff on later and we'll see how it goes. She seems like a really nice person though.
She does. And I do have some questions about like how she feels about the cast after the fact.
It seems like they hate her. Well, it was also announced that she's not coming back or that she was fired from this cast of Roni.
That was not a group of women who think she's boring and And they may think she's boring, but when she walked out there... That's true.
...on that reunion, they all hated her. And then when they got done roasting her and then blaming her for the prank, they were just like, all right, you can leave now.
It was kind of awesome. But it felt very mean.
Yeah, it was. It felt mean, girl.
It was very mean. It felt mean.
She deserves some empathy. Is it because of Scientology? I just, I think it's a mixture of things.
I think it's also the fact that she wasn't as forthcoming or open about the Scientology, but also because it's like, there was the clip where she said she was using this as a platform to promote her business, so I'm like, maybe she wasn't being as forthcoming and authentic even in downtime moments. But I don't understand how people can be upset with her for not sharing about scientology when jenna lines doesn't open up about anything fair point fair yeah so it's like this is just like this is a religion to her why does she have to open up about her religion and jenna lines doesn't have to open up about any personal parts of her own life and piggybacking off of what you just said, I'm also kind of like, I feel like there's so many other conversations

that could have been had with her about her family,

about her, I know nothing about her relationship,

her kids, how she grew her business.

So I'm like, there's a lot that could have been shared

that also wasn't and nobody wanted to explore outside of.

Right.

I feel like it's in Voldemort.

That's where I think she needs empathy.

And I agree where she said,

like I was used for a storyline specifically for something

and that this was not the place for me to even share what I believe because it was immediately regardless of what I would say be criticized. Right.
Yeah. We have some questions.
Yeah, I do think I think Bravo did use her. I agree.
So I'm excited to chat with her. But that's what housewives do.
That's what they do. And it's like...
I know, but they used her not like they use everyone else. You're right about the Jenna Lyons thing.
Jenna Lyons gets a pass that's certainly me I mean I loved her this reunion though I haven't heard her speak up and like Combat with other people be combative with other people The way that she was this way where she was like Even with Brynn or anybody she was like No this is inherently wrong so it was like it was nice to hear Her speak up and actually have an opinion on things Oh well we'll get into Roni a little bit later when we have Rebecca on. We also have Maddie Reese from Southern Hospitality.
Excited to chat with her. What is this Reese Witherspoon stuff? So basically, Reese Witherspoon did an interview with people where she said that she mistakenly roasted her friend at a very serious award ceremony.
She said, it literally haunts me. So this friend of mine who I didn't really know that well, but she was a very serious, proper actress.
She asked me to give her an award. I had never been to this award ceremony.
So I thought it was like a roast. So I got up and I roasted her.
She said the event was British, elegant and classy. So it's the BAFTAs.
And that she got the tone completely wrong while cracking jokes in her speech. Apparently Reese said in her speech, remember that time we got laser hair removal? And she is still embarrassed about it.
And the actress is no longer friends with her and stopped talking to her afterwards. People thought it was Kate Winslet.
Reese then posted on her Instagram story and said it's not Kate Winslet. And you think it's Kate Blanchett.
I mean, we don't spread rumors on this show, so. Well, we can speculate.
I mean, rumor. I mean, Reese is putting it out there.
That's true. Maybe a Kate Blanchett.
I don't know. Kate Blanchett.
But Kate Blate Blanchett I feel like has a good sense of humor. And it says that she was presented to Cate Blanchett at the Golden Globes.
That's a famously non-classy event. This can't be hard to figure out.
I mean, the only one I'm seeing right now is Cate Winslet at the BAFTAs 2007. But they're saying that's not the truth.
I wonder if people just figured it out so fast that Reese is like, nope, nope, nope. Keep working.
Not her. No.
Can't be her. Yeah.
She's definitely like- Like she didn't think anyone would figure it out and then they did in five seconds and she was like, no, no, no, no, no. She goes, oh no, it's happening again.
Now Kate Winslet really hates her because like everyone loves Reese Witherspoon and the way she tells the story from her POV, even I'm kind of like, kind of get over it, Kate. But then maybe from the other POVv it's like you worked really hard in this like really serious dramatic and this girl that you don't know super well this american like southern woman comes in and this british award show everyone's really stuffy and then starts talking about laser hair removal you're like oh my god why isn't reese getting notes like why is reese winging it like why why isn't anyone being like hey they're like just go up there and say what you feel.
Do you have a speech? Should we put on the teleprompter? No one was like, oh my gosh, he's just... We don't do that here.
I don't know. I've never watched the BAFTAs.
She's referencing her vagina. My whole thing is that I'm like, all you could have said was, it was at an award show at some point, or a very fancy ceremony, but you literally gave it a British, elegant award ceremony.

Just say the person's name, Reese.

It's Google-able.

You gave us all the hints.

Say it with your chest.

I wouldn't be mad, though.

Stars are just like us.

Marcus Jordan, apparently just really upset he's not on Traders anymore, got a DUI.

He arrested for cocaine possession and was singing on his way to jail. Not connected to Traders.
Not connected to Traders. Well, I was speculating.
He's really sad. Because Marcus Jordan was on Traders last season with his ex-girlfriend, Marcia.
This is a fear for us, darling. What is a fear for us? I'm just saying, I think we work to to be good people and and uh and be the leaders in our lives and uh we we both come from a lack of privilege in a lot of ways in our upbringing and i think that has shaped us but we've also made mistakes in life and i'm and maybe this is just marcus jordan making a mistake in life i don't know yeah sure yeah but you know his dad is a billionaire and but that doesn't mean he can.
True, true, true. I'm just saying.
I mean, I definitely think anyone who is getting arrested for a DUI deserves. Criticism? 100%.
Yeah. I mean, you're putting other people's lives at risk.
You know. I didn't think, you know.
You know, it's tough to be very successful. He admitted to drinking at a gentleman's club earlier in the evening, did not undergo a breathalyzer test, did not perform well on the three-filled sobriety test.
After he was placed under arrest, Jordan had his pocket search with cops reportedly finding a substance testing positive for cocaine. He was reportedly singing the entire way to jail.
Page Six confirmed that Marcus's bond was set at $4,000. That's it? Yeah, it doesn't seem like much.
You get arrested for DUI and cocaine and they they're like, yeah, sure, four grand. I mean, it's also Florida.
Probably possession. State by state, I was like, here's minimum $10,000 just for the first offense.
It was in Orange County, Florida, which is like Orlando. Do you think he calls his dad? He's 34 years old.
Dad, I just got arrested. Can you bail me out? I'm sure he calls his dad's assistant.
Yeah. Yeah.
One of them. Jim, I did it again.

Can you come get me?

That's what I mean.

To be singing on the way to jail, like you're not worried about anything.

Sarah Michelle Gellar is returning as Buffy the Vampire Slayer in a reboot.

Very excited about this.

Did you watch it?

It really shaped me as a young man.

Really?

Yeah.

Who's your favorite?

Buffy.

Buffy.

Okay.

Well, besides Buffy, obviously.

I honestly don't.

I didn't watch it like a lot. I probably don't, I didn't watch it, like,

a lot. I probably wasn't allowed to

at the time of my life, but I did have the hots for her.

Sarah Michelle Gellar or Jennifer Love Hewitt?

Jennifer Love Hewitt. Was it?

In her heyday? Yeah. Wow.

I just think it was funny that she

said, it's funny, I always used to say no

to the reboot because it's in a bubble and it's so

perfect, but watching Sex and the City,

meaning watching and just like that. That made her want to do it? Yes! And Dexter.
And Dexter because Dexter's getting a reboot. Uma Thurman's going to be in it.
Dexter has had a reboot. It's getting another one.
Another one? Huh? He's still... I think it's an origin season.
Well, the origin season's out already. Okay.
And that's Christian Slater. There's another one? There's another one with Uma Thurman I'll tell you what, it's someone who was a big Dexter Fan back in the day and then really Fizzled out and then they did like The one where he came back That was okay That was a pretty good season because the last season of Dexter was terrible And then one where he like Came out and he was like, it was years later And they're like, you like you know they kind of like let's redo the ending that was pretty decent

but this kind of

now where it's just like

younger Dexter

it hasn't really popped

let's just say

they keep trying to

bring out Dexter stuff

and none really pops

well

it looks like

Michael C. Hall

is returning

as Dexter Morgan

June 2025

in Dexter Resurrection

Dexter

and Uma Thurman

is playing the head of security

for a mysterious billionaire

ooh

I love an Uma Thurman project

oh she's gonna to be a killer. Well, I already know the ending.
He kills Uma at the end. A former special ops officer who works for the billionaire Leon Vader.
He's going to kill her. What are your guys' favorite reboots? Do you have one? I guess The Hills.
The only one that watched The New Beginning.

The one or two seasons that existed of it.

The one season they came back.

Has a reboot worked?

I like the Chucky reboot with Aubrey Plaza, but no one else did.

Again, has a reboot worked?

I mean, but Chucky's on its, like, what, fourth season?

Oh, there's the Chucky TV show.

But that's horror.

I don't think horror counts.

Sine was in the TV show.

Is that really a reboot?

Jennifer Tilly.

Yeah.

Well, horror, like, is always repeating itself. So I feel like that doesn't count.
I love't think horror counts. Sun was in the TV show.
Is that really a re-book? Jennifer Tilly. Yeah.
Well,

horror is always repeating itself.

So I feel like that doesn't count.

I love in just like that as well.

You do?

Yes.

She's alone.

It feels like, it feels like a Muppet TV show.

Now I tried to watch it

and I was like,

it's horrible.

Let me preserve

what I love.

My brain cells.

Yes.

Real Jen Quest

is what's going on with Paige

and Craig.

Dude.

I think it's clear.

It's clear, but like the story just keeps escalating. That's the thing.
It presented as clean and civil. It's becoming less than.
No, it makes pretty clear sense to me. But there's...
They broke up in November at Thanksgiving. Okay.
I didn't know that. Yep.
They broke up Thanksgiving weekend. They were like, let's just like they did what no one else is clearly doing in the social media celebrity platform world.

All of Matt James, Rachel, Zach, Brian, Brown, Jake, and they took some time. Right.
They were like, we're not going to announce it. Let's just like process whatever.
Craig went on Watch What Happens Live back in December, and it was that whole thing where they played the montage in Southern Charm and on Watch What Happens Live about how he's notorious for lying in the past, to which he responds, like, I never lie. Come to find out Paige releasing this, saying that the whole time he was talking about the plans him and Paige had for Christmas, like knowing that they were broken up.
So it kind of like points out the fact that it's like, no, you were actually in the act of lying during this Watch What Happens Live while being called the liar and saying you never lie i think that's probably more so him being on a national tv show put on the spot and him and his girlfriend are broken up they haven't announced it to the world and they're asking like what his plans are with his girlfriend and he's like oh yeah just be at my house like he's like i don't this is this the place to announce that i feel like had he gone on watch what happens live and been like well actually we're broken up the internet would have crucified him and like accused him of something very similar to a matt james which is just like well did page know you're gonna say and then page could go out and be like i had no idea he was gonna tell everyone and i was at dinner when my phone started blowing up and page six started like releasing articles that we were broken up and like wtf it kind of sounds like no no matter what, someone was going to be unhappy because at the end of the day, now she's going on clear clarifying that she agreed with Craig to not talk about it. She saw pictures of him out on a New Year's trip and was like, well, if we're going to be presenting single, I'm going to announce it.

And then he never responded to that text that she sent him saying she wanted to announce it.

And then also Kyle and Amanda, they did an interview where they they were like he should have stood up for her when all these

rumors were coming out of like infidelity and stuff and then he unfollowed craig unfollowed

kyle and amanda i think craig's stance on that was like i'm just not talking about the breakup at all

i think he was like i'm gonna say my one piece and then i'm not gonna continue talking about it

and i mean i don't know i think it's valid on both sides it's like seems pretty it's like starting to get like when kyle met when other people are giving their opinion like clearly at first they were trying to like be civil and non-drama but like it's giving someone people are trying to win the breakup like they you know they do keep well i think friends just want to be involved friends want to make headlines friends want to and people ask friends because they know like asked yes yeah i also get it because i feel like it's relatable like i've gone through like a breakup and then like when i started dating or something like i didn't post about it or anything like that because it was just like out of respect for the past relationship i was trying not to but i'm also kind of like it's a little delusional i guess in the sense of being two people that are public figures on shows that are airing right now that it's like and people were speculating about the breakup. Someone's going to get hurt regardless.
It's breakup. Someone's feelings are going to get hurt.
Someone's not going to handle it the right way. Someone's going to do something that pisses someone.
It's a breakup. You can't like handle it perfectly.
So the fact that it's like. I don't know why they're coming for Craig, though.
I think it's just I don't know. I think the whole thing was just should have just i'll break up just rip the bandit off i don't know miss pat's it's coming for page though because miss pat like um responded to um a clip of the podcast where page was talking about it and said watch her on the next episode of southern charm which is like yeah they didn't they weren't broken up when they were filming of course she's in the show like it's not gonna be weird it's yeah yeah i feel it could be weirder for them personally i'm like because they have to watch it back you have to like watch your relationship disintegrate i guess well taylor thinks uh her craig and rachel should date i was like the internet was she asked like she was asked she was asked if she saw like the whole blow up of it and she's like well i thought she like rachel's a sweet girl like craig should oh so okay and then she went on to just say like craig's probably with the next person gonna settle down because he's gonna look for someone that's actually ready to yeah and i wish him the best that makes a lot of sense denise richards her new show trailer did you see it yeah what is it called again denise and the wild Things and Her Wild Things it's a great title

it's a good title

yeah

do you think

how many of the

Beverly Hills Housewives

are jealous?

because she has her own show

she was able to get a spin off

that's like

she's the focal point of

they used half the cast

of Beverly Hills

yeah

a lot of people were saying

what's the point of doing it

if they're all on her show

like just bring her back

to Beverly Hills Housewives

but it's like

no it's like

Denise is in control

I love it

I respect it

she's the focal point she said bravo bravo, bravo, bravo, and they said, here's a show. Yep.
Yeah. I'm really happy for you, Justin.
When does that come out? March 4th. March 4th.
When does The Valley come out? Unclear. Bravo's been doing this thing recently where they're like, coming soon, and it's them announcing it, but then it doesn't come out for like another four or two months.
But you don't know. When did it come out last year?

March 19th, 2024.

So maybe it'll be March again.

Yeah. The teaser for the season was released January 17th.

The first look was released on February 27th and the premiere date was announced March

19th.

So three months?

Three months?

Yeah.

We'll probably know two weeks before it airs.

That's what they did with Beverly Hills.

Yeah.

I'm going to guess May.

I'm excited.

I love the Valley.

And I also saw a photo that Kristen posted yesterday and she's just she just looks great and I just love her. I would love to give a shout out to Kristen.
In other Beverly Hills news, Lisa Rinna has addressed Lisa Vanderpump's rumored return to Beverly Hills. During a podcast appearance, Lisa said, I heard that Vanderpump might return.
They're always looking to to save the show they know it's the titanic i'm just gonna say it and we all know it's the fucking titanic and so i would imagine that they're courting the shit out of vanderpump right now because like who else they know i'm not going back has she been asked she's she said she has and i mean people have been saying bring back some of the OGs. Ren is not an OG, but she was like an iconic housewife.

Well, I mean, I will say after last night's episode.

It is turning into a snooze fest.

Yeah.

You want somebody to smash a wine glass and hold it up and say, never talk about my husband like that again.

It started with this whole like montage of PK and Dorit.

It was kind of sad.

But like, why?

Because PK then like told the girls at Kathy Hilton's little tea party or whatever that

Thank you. It was kind of sad.
But like, why? Because PK then like told the girls at Kathy Hilton's little tea party or whatever that he's like threatening to sue her for full custody. He's like going to pull all of his money.
Wants her to like be able to afford the house on her own, like the whole thing. Like, and it's like, oh, the whole 10 years in California thing.
I just learned about this this year. So I thought it was interesting.
It ended up on Beverly Hills but it's like uh in California when you make it past 10 years in a marriage it doesn't matter if you had um what are the things you sign like prenups all that stuff everything is 50 50 communal property if you decide to split PK divorcing her at like nine and a half years like it's just it's giving icky it's giving like I want to get out before i have to be taking care of you for the rest of my life well yeah and now finding out that because what you say yeah he's he's threatening financials expectations within a month or two discussion of custodies lawyers threats of divorce like it sounds like he's trying to like expedite the process as much as possible to be like i want you to prepare yourself that i will not be taking care of you or the family mine is mine. And we'll figure this out legally.
That's what happens when you marry a guy who wears a full track suit. Amen.
You were right. Yeah.
I do appreciate Erica in this position. She was just hard truth.
She's like, you can hate me for what I'm about to say, but this is what you need to hear. I got a little chills with that, too, because it is true.
Sometimes you want people to be so direct and honest. And Erica actually presented it being like listen i'm just going to give you the hard cold facts so there's no like there's no reconciliation huh it doesn't it does not appear that he just like saw mo's life and was just like i want some of that because it's really given like they're really cryptic about mo and kyle and if he thinks he's on the same level as mauricio he needs to back it up they also did an interview like a month ago mauricio and pk so like it's interesting that it's like they're teaming up as like the husbands that were married to the housewives within pk the whole time it's kind of like i didn't like the way she handled sobriety and the conversations about me like she's spinning it they're in cahoots i would think so yeah i mean because it kyle and mauricio's divorce is giving like Mauricio finally made the decision.

But if PK thinks he's going to be on the top of a mountain in Aspen with Anita, like, it's just not going to happen.

Scream champagne bottles.

I forgot about that. I'm just saying, do we all agree about Mauricio and Kyle's divorce, though?

It's giving like he kind of had a lifestyle that she accepted for a period of time.

And she decided to stop accepting it it and he just refused to change. I mean, I also think it might have something to do with like, you know, the kids grew up and it's like once kids grow up and are out of the house, it's like focus is now back on us.
And it's like, is our relationship as strong as it was when we were having these kids? But as we were watching it, like's sad because there's clearly a lot of love there. There's a lot of respect.
They still hang out together. They have a family together.
But there's a choice that they're making to not reconnect. They gave up.
Or one of them gave up. Or both of them gave up.
I don't know. It's giving Mauricio gave up first.
I'm just saying, I feel like if it's an either or, I feel like there's a better chance that Kyle and Mauricio could reconcile than PK and Dorit at this point.

Well, PK has gotten real nasty.

And at least Mo presents as someone who like-

Is compassionate.

Is compassionate and like still wants to protect his family where-

He answers Kyle's text.

He goes, they go on vacation and sleep in the same house.

Like PK's over here like not answering a phone call,

not caring about where his kids are.

Or like PK can go fuck himself.

I don't know. Kyle's text he goes they go on vacation and sleep in the same house like he K's over here like not answering a phone call not caring about where his kids are like he can go himself I did see a fan theory that Kyle and Dorit are feuding because they wanted to do that to distract the group of people from dissecting their marriages because like they're deflecting with like this is such a toxic friendship so people are being more supportive when it comes to the marriage conversations instead of like what happened in your marriage instead of digging into like let's pull the marriage apart because now

they're just pulling the friendship apart well Dorit's

at least kind of opening up and being

honest about what happened with her and

PK whereas Kyle is

just letting everybody go in

a million directions and not actually saying what's

happening that's totally true like Dorit is not really

hiding much about PK

like where Kyle like we've never really known what happened they just stopped hanging out kind of you're saying with kyle kyle and mauricio you know like he's in a lot of scenes and he takes to the gun range and they're nice and they get along really great where you're just always every time they do that you're like why can't they make it work out you know like how sad it's like there's one big thing they're not telling us. And there's always a lot they do that, you're like, why can't they make it work out? You know, like how sad.

It's like there's one big thing they're not telling us.

And there's always a lot of speculation about like who Kyle's hanging out with and Mauricio is being seen, you know, in Aspen and stuff like that. And then Kathy Hilton's the confusing part because then she does interviews every two seconds being like, well, I think they'll be back together soon.

Like they might get back together soon.

Well, Kathy also says she's part Chinese 3000 BCc listen anything kathy says i want to hear me too she puts caviar on her baked potatoes and that was enough for me to be like i'm set did were you in any way offended by claiming that she's i'm not chinese but just asian yeah i i mean anything she does i'm like she's a character where it's like you can say something crazy and you know that they don't know what they're saying but also like they don't mean it in a harmful way yeah like she's just being goofy and I'm sure some person in Italy did tell her like which is you know for some people like just as good as 23andMe I loved her I don't totally trust 23andMe I loved her on FaceTime with Bose being like, are those buka shells?

Bose being like, they're diamonds.

The fact that Bose gagged Kathy Hilton is huge.

The way that she tried to be like,

no baby, they're diamonds.

She's like trying to be like, do I say yes?

Put your glasses on.

Confusing diamonds for buka shells.

But also like, how large were they?

Yeah, truly.

I just love that we've been to Kathy Hilton's backyard. We have.
You laid in her bed. What? No, we didn't.
What? Did you think Erica had a right to be upset about not being invited to Augusta? Of course not. But they always do.
They always do, right? I mean, I do feel like she is kind of in that group just as much as Garcelle and Kyle. True.
I was more so confused

about her calling Kyle

to invite her for something so personal

where like the week before

she comes to dinner

and was like,

okay, so why am I here?

I'm not going to bow down

to the altar of Kyle Richards.

And then was like,

I want you to come to this

very personal interaction with my mom.

What's her mom?

That was a piece of work.

She's a hoot.

I feel bad for her mom though.

I'm like,

we're using her as a storyline.

I mean,

maybe she's like chaotic, but I'm like, I don't want to see her mom come on the screen and get humiliated by like. How is she humiliated? Have you seen the teaser for next episode? I'm like, it's Garcelle like telling her mom that she needs to be like more involved and her mom being like, well, I think it's none of your business.
Period on her mom. Period on her mom.
But like the editing is making her mom seem so harsh. Her mom also has free will.
So her mom didn have to be a part of the show. Her mom is also what like 85? Yeah.
She's not changing anytime soon. Does not give a fuck what anybody thinks of her.
Yeah. But also She did show up.
But also that is sad that they have to go to her mom for a storyline and they can't figure it out between the housewives themselves. Yeah.
Sutton's like sure sure, yeah, let's put my harsh mom on television to get crucified by the

world.

But also let's flex on our compound.

Yeah.

Those houses.

Beautiful house.

Yeah, wow.

The little back house was gorgeous.

There's like multiple houses.

Did you ever see Righteous Gemstones?

Yes.

That whole like how all of the family lives in like houses all on the same property.

Like that's what that reminded me of.

And it was really cute.

Well, when you're making $600,000 a month after taxes. Was it after taxes or before? $300,000.
$350,000 a month? After taxes. After taxes.
Alimony. Crazy.
Beverly Hills is getting boring. They have to go to Sutton's poor mom.
I do think to circle back to your question, last season was Sutton and Garcelle welcoming Erica in, and this season it's, they're just ignoring that, which is interesting. I feel like Bose is getting the most camera time and I'm here for it.
So I'm just like, whatever comes out of her mouth, I'll listen. Also Erica's won me back over.
Moving back to traitors, what's going on with Carolyn? Is she, she slams Danielle, like physically? Body slam WWE style. Can we end with, you know know here's a pet peeve of mine The headline that includes slams Yeah I will say though this one like to me Just misleading headlines in general But the quote saying like she sucks Like that's not a slam This is a headline that I actually support the word slam Because to me I'm like okay she did say some like straight up like no BS stuff where she said like in response to the feud with Danielle you're gaslighting me I am not the most eloquent speaker I am not always listened to but it doesn't help when you have somebody looking down on you side-eyeing you talking just the way she did no one wants to be the Dan of the season but girl you're Danning me I don't give a shit about looking the best I have not played survivor multiple times i am a zero vote fucking finalist i don't claim to be a great player i'm good in my own freaky way but she holds that to such a high standard of like i'm the best to never win grow up so to me that's like a slam what is with all these people who like i guess take pride in the game i mean like the gamers like i don't know yeah the gamers? Survivor players.
The gamers, yeah. There's the weird flexing and bragging about, I guess.
It's big on Survivor and Big Brother because they have legacies. Boston Rob is a name from Survivor history.
They take a lot of in being like good gamers and legends from these shows. But they're also very ego about it because then you have like MJ getting played by Trishel and CT and it's like the gamers are then thinking they're better than the other people and then playing the other people.
But I mean, it's interesting because this is a gamer versus a gamer. Danielle versus.
But aren't they doing TikToks together? And then they're also doing TikToks together with

Dylan and Ron.

So it's all a bit.

Everything is fake.

Everything in this world is fake.

Yeah.

I don't believe anyone

when they say anything.

Well, I think it's with

traitors.

I think they're all actively

with the way they're all

interacting with each other

and online throughout

as the season's going.

They're just leaning in.

If I go on traitors,

should I just like

create a complete alter ego?

This could be absolutely insane. Yes.
Like, is this a game? No, it wasn't me. I'm a gamer.
Gamer. I did come from The Bachelor.
You should wear skinny jeans. Yeah, you could wear skinny jeans.
I've gotten the most roses in Bachelor history, which I'm pretty sure I have. I'm the finalist.
Period. I'm sure someone's going to find where someone else has gotten more.

I doubt it.

Just be like the bachelor's most competitive.

I love it.

I doubt it.

No one's given more roses or been handed more roses than you on The Bachelor.

When I was The Bachelor, we did a bit where I read off how many rose ceremonies.

Oh, like statistics.

Bachelor statistics.

Bachelor stats.

Bachelor stats.

But I definitely don't wear it with pride. How many times times did you say are you here for the right reasons none none yeah how many times did you reference your journey too many i do how many times did you say my wife is in this room zero oh zero zero really you didn't say that you didn't say i see my wife in this room? Refused.
Yeah. He knew.
It is a very cringy line. I know.
They definitely tried to get me to say it one episode and I was just like I forgot what I came up with but I see potential. I feel like they beat you.
They're like so is your wife in this room right now? No, they literally tell you to say it. You're like, no? It Think about it.
Go back on all the Bachelor seasons. It's like episode two or three.
They walk in and like, I can really see my wife in this room. And they're like, but like what direction is she? And like, what do you think she's wearing right now? Like, right? Give us color.
Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, I definitely said something I didn't mean, but like, I didn't say that. Good.
Good But she's in the room with us now Indeed Indeed But I didn't know that then Of course not He hates me Indeed Oh by the way don't forget to check out Vile Files Plus You can sign up for it by going to VileFiles.com Or if you listen to the show through Apple Podcasts, you can sign up right from that platform directly. It's free to sign up, get a free seven-day trial, your Vanderpump recaps, your Pop Extra weekly roundup, as well as your update specials of all the updates from some of your favorite callers, all that and more on Vile Files Plus.
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You look so pretty. Are you from New York originally? I actually am.
I went to College of Charleston for college and that's what brought me down to South Carolina. Oh, okay.
So I'm happy to be home, but it's really good to see you guys. I actually met you guys at Kathy Hilton's Christmas party.
That was a wild time. We also met your boyfriend.
Yes. You met Joe.
Yeah. Yes, he did.
He was like, so Southern hospitality is crazy. Y'all should cover it this season.
And we were like, okay, we'll look into it. And it definitely is crazy.
Yes. This season, I feel like has gotten a lot of positive attention and everything comparative to the other season.
So it's all positive. How did you end up on the show in the first place? I worked at Republic.
So basically, the show is about a nightclub and a bunch of coworkers that work together. So I worked there for years before the whole casting thing kind of came about because I went to college there there i wanted to make money while i was in college so i got into hospitality nightlife and then the owner of the bar leva um is obviously on southern charm so i feel like that's kind of how that spinoff came about okay so you are like an og like vanderpump rules people who are actually working there that's cool and then how much do you actually still work there or now that you are like an OG, like Vanderpump Rules, people who are actually working there.
That's cool. And then how much do you actually still work there? Or now that you are DJing and on TV, is it less of that? Or do they still bring you in for shifts? I definitely feel like there's a standard of like, when you are not DJing, you need to be here working.
So I feel like it's definitely, you know, kind of cutthroat in the hospitality. Like if you're not working, then we'll find someone else that will.
so I feel like with's definitely you know kind of cutthroat in the hospitality like if you're not working then we'll find someone else that will so I feel like with the DJing I'm always on the road and traveling but anytime I'm off no matter how tired I am I know I have to go to work at Republic you know is that like because if you don't work there you're you will definitely be off the show not necessarily like i feel like for a while for my dj career i needed the money from the restaurant to help fund my dj career because it's expensive as a dj in the sense of like equipment like one cdj is like seven to eight k like it's an expensive hobby so i feel feel like in even order, like, like to learn how to produce music and stuff and buying like softwares for that and stuff. Like I needed money to kind of, to be able to invest my career.
So I feel like the bar was a great outlet to make quick money. You know, what do you think of the kind of the dilemma going on between Joe and TJ? I don't know.
I feel like we're filming a reunion next week. So I'm excited to kind of see where they're at now.
But I feel like, I don't know specifically. I don't know.
I feel like it's interesting because it's two close friends that I feel like one caught feelings for. And I feel like it's super dynamic like complex relationship do you feel like Joe is being kind of put in like a tough spot with TJ do we all agree that they they agree that like Joe was blackout drunk that night is that right yeah isn't it kind of weird that like we're talking about someone who was blackout drunk and then like TJ is trying to get him to admit to something he doesn't allegedly even remember i just find it to be a little uncomfy i don't know what are your thoughts i feel like i'm uncomfortable by it i don't know if i if i was just if i would ever trust tj again like first with the coming in between your relationships and being the one to kind of bring the luann and the danielle of stuff to the surface.
And then you're coming to the surface saying that you have feelings for him and that you think something happened or you felt mixed signals when it was obviously kind of one-sided. Yeah, it's a little, I feel like uncomfortable.
Didn't he tell you that he, TJ, thought Joee was gay like before you started dating him or while you were dating him yeah for sure i definitely think that was a rumor going around town i think everyone on our cast has heard that rumor one or another about joe's sexuality and i feel like for joe he's like i know the boiling point of this rumor is coming from tj like he's the source. He seems like a bit of a rumor spreader.
And like, he spreads rumors that like, are potentially like problematic or like really put someone in a tough position. Like it could affect your two's relationship.
Yeah. How do you feel about it? Because you're kind of in the middle of it.
It's because it is your boyfriend, but you're also friendly with TJ and you guys got closer over the summer. So I'm like, how does that affect you? Or it's like, this is your relationship, but also your friendship.
I definitely feel like it put me in a hard spot because I don't know how close TJ and Joe necessarily were. So I'm trying to be sensitive to like both people, but after watching the season, yeah, there's a little part of me where I was like, yeah, TJ is a potster and it's little bit, you know, messier than he leads on.
Or like, you know, he might be like the bone collector and have some things to say. But like maybe sometimes 1% of the things that he's saying is just straight rumor.
You know what I mean? Or even 99%. You know what I mean? So I feel like that's where I just think TJ is messy.
Yeah. But for Joe, I think Joe is someone who's really comfortable in his sexuality and who he is and in his relationship.
So I feel like for him, he was just like, kind of like, why are you doing this kind of thing? Like I probably now I'm never going to sleep in a bed with you again, or feel like that same closeness to you as a friend right because i feel this betrayal you know so i see both sides but i definitely after watching kind of really kind of feel for joe to be honest with you so that's where i feel a little kind of uncomfortable yeah i feel like joe's handled it in the best possible way where he didn't feel like threatened by tj's claim or accusation or like that. And he still like was able to try to empathize with his friend because he still values that friendship with TJ.
You know, Joe is sitting here being like, I'm comfortable in how I feel in my sexuality. And I'm going to let you tell your story and how you feel.
And if anything, I'm proud of Joe. And I think that's really brave of him.
And I totally like respect and see TJ's side as well. And I think it's really brave and cool of Joe to kind of be so gentle and sensitive about the whole thing.
How are you guys doing as a couple stronger than ever? Yeah, totally. I just I feel like Joe and I, we just work so well together, like whether it be in the

restaurant or in our day-to-day lives. So I just feel like we've grown a lot this year.
And I think you definitely see that in the season. Like I just left a toxic relationship.
So I feel like I was so hesitant about, you know, is there such thing as a healthy relationship kind of thing? So, um, I feel like I was so hesitant and walking kind of on eggshells, you know, if I truly wanted to give myself in this relationship, you know, um, based off the things I kind of went through. I thought it was a really sweet moment in last, uh, this past episode when you and Joe were kind of talking about your future and Joe was like, you know, cause Joe kind of presents as like kind of this clubby, you know, all of you obviously are at this age, you're DJing, you guys work at this like very kind of club bar restaurant, Republic, but it was very sweet to hear like Joe and you have that conversation about like what he really wants and what his dreams are and things like that and then you kind of talking about that as well.
I thought that was like a really sweet moment. Maybe I'm just like, again, in my like new dad, husband era, but like, you know, whenever that is, whenever you guys are like ready for that shit, I got to say it's, it's, it's, it's the best time of our lives.
So like maybe, maybe you enjoy. Congratulations on all that, by the way.
I'm so excited to be a pair of my life. It's just timing.
I feel like it's everything. Yeah, no, totally.
I mean, I obviously wait a bit longer than most people and I have no complaints. Now I waited a little bit less longer, but yeah, whenever it happens, whenever you're ready, I hope you enjoy it as much as we do.
And I also just have to say, after watching the first two seasons, it's really nice to see you in a healthy relationship. And I think it's bringing the best in you and in joe because joe's very lovable seeing him wanting to commit to you and wanting to get married and saying all these things where you're like joey bottles is saying like you know john sorry but you know what i mean like it's just kind of it's really nice so i'm happy for you speaking of toxic relationships what are your thoughts on emmy and will oh goodness i almost wish it was like even like seeing it like i wish there was a time where she kind of stood her ground with him if anything do you think it's both of them kind of just figuring out life do you think one's more the instigator than the other you know it's it's kind of hard to tell as a viewer obviously like emmy has her reactions which are loud and expressive but like you know will kind of does seem like that really good instigator where even the stuff you know like even behind the scenes like he kind of gives poking the bear poking the bear and then almost to the point where he pushes his girlfriend to a level of like, she gets to this kind of explosive energy,

but like,

do you think it's more him or her,

or do you think they just kind of bring out the worst in each other?

I would agree with that.

But I also think that when he's having those overreactions,

I think she's looking for well to be there to save her and have her back and

defend her from these rumors and stuff like that.

And you're right.

He's like kind of more behind scenes,

like poking at the bear.

it's to save her and have her back and defend her from these rumors and stuff like that.

And you're right.

He's like kind of more behind scenes, like poking at the bear instead of showing up in front of the group and saying, you know, this is my truth.

And I feel like that's kind of where I think maybe Emmy is having those overreactions is

she's like, Will should be here and he should be the one that's defending himself.

And it's like, well, he's not.

And it's giving guilty, you know, if you're not going to come and confront the group,

I'm sorry. She's like, Will should be here and he should be the one that's defending himself.
And it's like, well, he's not. And it's giving guilty.
You know, if you're not going to come and confront the group about all the things that you've done, but you're OK with talking about it behind scenes. You know, I feel like that's kind of where Emmy struggled is.
She was just like, I wish Will could speak on this for himself. And, you know, now I have to answer for it.
But at the at the same time like i feel like i kind of had to do that for my partner the past two seasons and it's not easy like having to speak on their behalf and to defend them it's not necessarily easy thing but i just don't know why it was so hard for her why do you feel like he's not showing up to defend himself well like i said i feel like it's to me it gives guilty vibes so you think he's like i just don't even want to get yeah he's like i don't even want to get attacked by these people because i don't have the correct answer or like i'm going to deal with emmy and not have them be able to say i heard you say this yes so he gets to spend whatever story if i do i'm damned I do, I'm damned if I don't. Peace.
You know what I mean? What did you learn the most from your past relationship that you referred to as toxic? I mean, as shitty as past relationships can be, the good news is we can often learn a little bit from it. But what is something that you learned or multiple things that you learned that you want to make sure you don't bring into your relationship with Joe or anyone else in the future or just kind of behaviors you like would maybe seen a friend's relationship or maybe you would want to say, hey, I've been there before and I made a mistake and here's what you should do differently this time.
Oh, my goodness. I feel like there's so many things, but it's all a learning experience.
I feel like in relationships, every time I leave a relationship, I feel like I'm like, wow, I learned so much. Oh my goodness.
I'm going to bring this into my new relationship and look for these red flags. So I feel like you see that play out through the season.
A lot of me kind of being more hesitant about necessarily like what I want and making sure that's the priority. And I feel like in the past I might have, you know, might've made sacrifices maybe in my relationship for my partner, or I didn't leave when I probably should have.
And I don't have any regrets necessarily because of the things that I've learned. But if I do look back on it, I think that when I saw the first red flags, I wish I would have left then.
You know, I mean, we'll say the same thing looking back on this one day. And I think a lot of people do, you know? Yeah.
You mentioned Kathy Hilton's party that we were all at. And that was the last time I saw James Kennedy in person because that was also the night that he got arrested.
We've been pretty hard on James. You obviously have a relationship with him.
You referred to him as your mentor. Is he still your mentor? And have you spoken with him since the incident? And kind of where do you stand with him at this point? I have not spoken to him.
I've definitely checked in on Allie and want to make sure she's okay and everything like that. But I haven't spoken to him and i wish both of them the best okay would you say like your kind of relationship with with james at this point is kind of like over or or do you think maybe in the future you guys will reconnect on on the dj tour um i don't i don't have any gigs or anything booked with him this year or this going forward.
And I don't think I have anything planned. And I probably, I just wish both of them the best.
Like, I genuinely, I haven't spoken to him since the same night you guys saw him. So I haven't spoken to him, but I've definitely spoken to Allie just to check in and make sure she's okay.
A lot of her family lives in Charleston, where I live. So I see them sometimes and stuff.
So I always wanted to reach out and check in. And I obviously had a relationship with both of them and I wish both of them the best.
That's nice of you. Was the Emmy blow up over the dresses credit thing as insane in person as it was on television or what was your perception of that reaction i was djing then so i totally just heard about it okay and i heard it was crazy so when i watched it i was like oh my gosh like this is honestly to me watching it was like it kind of gives like guilty like should I look into this like yeah do you know what I mean because I feel like the simple answer if I was in that position would have been like oh no like I didn't like here's the receipt from the uniforms or I would have been like oh I did get a store back i did get a store credit kick back like thanks but doesn't mean that i didn't pay for it with my credit card yeah you know well it didn't help with will saying but the fact that she didn't explain it like that made me think like oh like do i need to look into this right yeah to sierra's point will being like and you didn't do that was definitely the nail in the sure.
Yes. I just don't think Will is doing any favors.
No, he's not. It was definitely a storyline that I didn't think it was a big deal until she lost her shit.
And I was like, wait, what are we talking about? It should have been something so small. But it's like even watching her kind of defend Will, where it's like Will sat there, not only didn't comfort you after the fact, but time talking shit about you to your co-workers who are not his co-workers.
I don't know. I just feel like it's unforgivable in my opinion.
I would be really embarrassed. Right? Yeah.
I guess we're gonna have to ask her. Do you and Joe live together? We do not.
You do not. I feel like it definitely gets talked about later on.
Okay. Like what potential next step up if it's marriage, if it's getting a house, if it's moving in together.
So you'll kind of see that play out in the rest of the season. Who's more guilty between you and Joe of like kind of playing house and kind of fantasizing about your future? Or is it more you or is it more Joe? Joe, every day.
we have such a like golden golden retriever i feel like black cat relationship where i'm more the realist and i feel like he's more the like fantasy romantic but i enjoy it yeah it is nice is he with you in new york he is yes that's nice is he in the room with us? Hi Joe. No, he actually went to go pick up a suit for his

for the reunion. yes is he in the room with us hi Joe

no he actually went to go pick up a suit

for his for the reunion

we're filming next week

are you filming the reunion

in South Carolina or are you filming in New York

we film

in New York

yes we're doing a watch what happens live

clubhouse reunion

isn't that what they were planning on doing that with the Valley for a season? So interesting that I think the people in the Valley said no, but that is interesting. I feel like they brought up cameras for the Valley and that kind of was their reunion.
Yeah. Like they brought up cameras that will break up.
Yeah, yeah uh yeah uh what's uh what is uh making it in the dj space look like for you like what what's something you kind of envision in terms of you know once you're there you'll be like holy shit i can't believe i did this i'm i've really made it yeah i think i've played at a lot of venues where i felt like oh oh my God, this is a dream come true. I've made it.
This week in the show, we go to Vegas for a cast trip. And I mean, I'm on the side of a billboard and such a bucket list opportunity for me.
but for me now in my career I think like I want to be an artist I want to have music of my own

and I want to release it I want people to be able to connect with it. Yeah.
So that's kind of my next step of being like, oh, I made it is like, if people are listening to my song that I made, um, or if someone connects to it, you know, that's awesome. Are you still, are you currently working on some of your own new music? Yeah.
I actually like this season, I do a song with grace. So that comes out.
I'm pretty sure next week that comes out that song with grace and I, that we do, it's called pop in it. Um, but I basically, I'm looking to collaborate with vocalists and people to make music.
You know, I'm not necessarily like an incredible singer, but I am a very talented producer. So I'm working on becoming that artist and putting my music out there and having that confidence.
I don't think Diplo can sing. Can he? No.
Yeah, I don't think so. Yeah.
No. Exactly.
Exactly. All right.
Well, thank you so much for joining us. It's been so much fun chatting with you wishing you guys nothing but success and we're loving the show uh keep keep the drama coming it's been a ton of fun watching you guys so far so i really appreciate your time maddie nice thank you so much for having me on like i always watch y'all and it was so nice seeing all of you guys again likewise thanks for taking the time have fun at uh on watch what happens live yes thank so much Bye What a sweetie My favorite DJ I just think back to the Joe and TJ thing It's giving icky He definitely is a potster That's for sure I told y'all I didn't like TJ from the jump remember And you're like TJ is my favorite I enjoy him I enjoy him for TV purposes

but don't necessarily

ethically

I don't

I feel like

do we always love

the pot stirrer

like is that

I feel like

isn't Bryn the pot stirrer

on Roni

and everyone hates her

it's like because

you're making up lies

you're stirring the pot

you're doing stuff

to like create drama

it's the same thing

TJ's doing

but it's necessary

I felt that way

about Lisa Renna too

on Beverly Hills Housewives with Denise Richards well it's more like I generally don't like the pot stir, but I just kind of recognize that there is a pot and it needs to be stirred. I would like it to happen more organically from the cast as a whole.
Right. But I don't know.
That storyline that they keep mil i'm just like i'm a i feel like joe handled it well i thought he handled it amazingly and everything and you know at least admitting to the fact that it's like that if that was your perception i'm i'm sorry for that but like obviously it did not mean anything to me um but i do think that i'm sure it's tough especially for tj being out in Charleston and as many people that he was saying that his dating life, it's hard to date for him out in Charleston. So I'm like, I also can understand wanting something to be true, but that not even though it's not and kind of embellishing it and hoping that it could be.
But I'm just like, yeah, it's your fantasy versus the reality of what happened. And if the person is telling you that it meant nothing to him,

then you just have to kind of accept that.

Why is he getting a free pass to say all this shit

and put Joe in the position

where Joe seemingly has to explain himself

or defend himself?

He was blackout drunk and you weren't.

And now you're telling a story.

And whatever happened,

did Joe even know what he was doing? I mean, apparently not. So I don't know.
It's a little tough just because it's like, as I said, it's two different people's perspectives. And then you also have somebody wanting something to happen where somebody else is like, that meant nothing.
I also see like Taylor Greene doing like TikToks and reels with TJ. And I'm just like, Taylor.
They're besties. She was spending the night at his house on episode two yeah problematic i like taylor and like but taylor some taylor in the southern charm community seems to be like the outsider like she's not part of the group group group you know and like you know even the comments that what are what's her name sally sally thank you yeah how like kind of like the nobody likes you comment which i kind of hate when people say that but like i don't know i get you know sometimes guilty by association like if she's best friends with tj and tj is a bit of a pot story and uh i don't know i would i would run taylor it's like we can't trust anybody with initials on bravo anymore tj jt or maybe just those two letters i I think initials are problematic.
PK.

PK.

Can't trust anybody.

I've never been an initial guy.

Yeah.

Envy.

That's not my name. That also takes far too long to say.

No.

Well, coming up shortly, Rebecca Minkoff of Roni, Real Housewives of New York City, excited

to get the tea.

We found out last night or this morning that she announced. Well,, first it was leaked a couple days ago that she was fired.
And then she announced that this is her first and only season on the cast. And I gotta say, I was a little shocked by the reunion.
It really seemed like, as we said before, like these ladies did not like her. It felt personal.
Did it not feel weird too when you're sitting there and she like comes out, introduced, they asked her like five questions and then they were like, all right, well that's our time with Rebecca and I was like, she didn't get a segment. I feel like typically they would go to commercial and then come back and Rebecca would be gone but they had her be like, do I sit here? Do I, and he's like, Rebecca wants to know if she stays here or goes.
No, they made it a point. What is this? Yeah, they made it a point to leave that in there.

Well, they usually softball questions, do an introduction,

but it was literally like, here she is.

Scientology, Scientology.

Aaron hates you.

Cy hates you.

Okay, bye.

I also hate the, does anyone have any questions or beef

they want to address with Rebecca?

It's like, just ask someone a pointed question.

Just be like, you know, I don't know. Does anyone in here disagree? It's like, no one's going to be like, I do.
She definitely was set up in that, yeah. Yeah.
I will say, for a slow season, as I said earlier, the reunions kind of gave me a lot. A lot to work with.
I'm a fan of Zen Uba, but... I don't know.
Oh, you don't know about Uba no i love uba okay i'm obsessed with uba like i think she's the best but i just this is mostly on the bryn drama of it all which you know obviously there's you know the fact that they threw out the whole you know part two andy and the rest of the cast had to like make sure that they let brin know like we believe your story as it relates to what happened to you and then simultaneously be put in a position to also have to question her there was a part of me that like started understanding brin's point of view except that every it was like i was blown away by like all the like when they were kind of all going back and forth about who said what when. And then every word out of Bryn's mouth, the entire cast was like, we didn't say that.
We didn't say that. We didn't say that.
I mean, it really painted Bryn as just a compulsive liar. When you couple that with the subject in which we were talking about, it just makes it really uncomfortable to like to lump those all in together and have a discussion about it you know while you're like well bryn's saying all these things and all the women are like we didn't say that we didn't say that you're like what are you like what are you talking about you're just making shit up and then having annie to be like just so you know no matter what we you know we believe this, but it's the other part we're struggling with.
It was as hard to keep up with. I felt like mentally she couldn't disconnect the two from each other because she felt like all of these women hate her.
So it's like that we're not denying that your story is true. It's just the other parts that go along with it where it's like you're even still saying I sucked a dick for this job.
And it's like that's not what Uba said But like you were convinced that that's what she said. So it's like almost like the repetitive nature of repeating the same things.
But it is very difficult to have a conversation trying to be like clarifying what's a lie and what's the truth when it's also surrounded around such a sensitive topic. Yeah.
Where I understand Brynn is that given what happened to her, you would think she'd be allowed to have moments of you know like for lack of better word messiness being triggered you know to moments of being triggered moments of being reactive moments of feeling out of body and and and saying shit and maybe not remembering everything she said you know i Cy straight up said, you weaponize your experience for the downfall of a friend. And that is an awful thing to do.
And I think that's when Brynn was like, watch your words. To tell someone that they weaponize their experience is after someone openly talks about.
Like, is it messy that Bryn was, in fact, really just messy in that moment, said some things that weren't totally accurate without the intention of weaponizing it to take down Ubo? I understand what the women are saying. I understand that this is a very obviously sensitive topic, and when you make an accusation, which I guess what Bryn is saying that it wasn't an accusation that it was just like i don't know something she was saying while being attacked but it also gets confusing because you know when bryn is saying like yeah i called uba and i was rambling and i was saying all these things that have happened to me and then for uba to be be like, you never said those words to me.
That's the hard part. Because Uba is like dead set on like, you didn't say that.
And I tend to believe Uba. But I'm still willing to acknowledge that like Bryn thought she said that.
That's not that unbelievable. Especially given what like Bryn has been through and like the trauma that can cause and like

having had a front row seat to people who have opened up about that like I can at least understand that position so it it does feel like I understand where Uba is upset but I like yeah how how can how can the rest of ladies be so sure of Brynn's intentions? Right. Yeah.
You know.

Well, and I think it was a very, like, powerful moment because you have this, them talking about what happened and Uba pretty much saying, like, I want nothing to do with you, whatever. But then it's, like, even any reference coming back to the experience that happened with Brynn, like, Uba gets up and hugs her and wants her to say sorry and just, like, wants her to know that she's supported.
So it's kind of like if Uba can move on from what's happening where that's something that directly affected her, then it's like, yes, all the other women, it's like lay off a little bit because it's just like Bryn's going through a lot. She might not handle herself well, but she also did say that she does want to learn how to be a better friend and to be more direct.
So it's like all she can do is just move forward with it. But she's somebody who's had a very troubled childhood and a very troubled experience growing up so it's like to add insult to injury it doesn't make any sense it's also not really like about the other women it's like i mean it affects them but it who it really directly affects is like brennan uva well that was the other problem too is like i feel like they really leaned into this topic because there's literally nothing else to discuss and talk about.
So now they're milking this topic that feels like it shouldn't be milked. Like Psy being like, I'm so shocked that Uba went and hugged her.
It's like, she was breaking down. Like, what? You're shocked that Uba has like empathy and like felt like Brynn needed a a hug in that moment and like i i am not a fan of sai this reunion i didn't appreciate anything she really had to say although i will say i am on sai and raquel's team with the whole like uba was disrespecting puerto rico and like on a platform where puerto rico needs tourism and like you're gonna say that their beaches are dirty in this and there's dead pigeons and there's nasty water you don't want to walk in like that's definitely gonna affect people wanting to go to puerto rico and like they were valid and being like you can't have you guys ever seen the movie sideways about wine yes the uh line i'm not drinking fucking marlowe like crashed the marlowe market for years like it it's just now it's just now recovering and that's like a 15 20 year old movie but it does like that shit that shit matters for the for the average person who like isn't like a sommelier or a uh a travel coordinator and they're like should we go to puerto rico or like Uber and Real Housewives said that too.
Yeah. You know, they're like, should we go to Puerto Rico? Uber and Real Housewives said that too.
Or Jamaica? Yeah. You know, they're like, no, I actually heard the beaches were dirty and like dead pigeons were everywhere.
It definitely has an effect. No, you're so right too because I'm like, there's a lot of trips that even I've planned based off of seeing it come up on Real Housewives.
It's like, oh my God, what is this tropical island that they're on? I mean, we do the same with restaurants. Like when we were watching the Valley, we were like, oh, my God, there's a new restaurant.
We haven't tried that. And if they were like, oh, my God, this guacamole is disgusting.
We probably wouldn't go there. We hear the biophiles can say that Puerto Rico is beautiful.
It is. I went there for our honeymoon.
I love Puerto Rico so much. Puerto Rico, lovely.
Yeah. Bad Bunny.
Great. Bad Bunny.
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Hi, Rebecca. Look at this setup.
Hi. Live from New York.
Live from New York in your own studio. Well, thank you for joining us.
We're excited to talk with you. I'm so excited.
This is two years in the making i think from the first dm uh yeah you were uh rebecca and i first message because she was uh deep in scandival and uh was at a dinner party with apparently some friends uh talking about our coverage of scandival have you ever met tom no no and uh i I can't even keep my head straight around it. So just it's the Ram is full now

with lots of other things have been replaced.

Well, we just obviously got done

watching Reunion Part 2.

And you, I think overnight,

announced that you will be leaving Roni.

Maybe we should just start there. Just rip the Band-Aid i mean it was i was not i didn't know what to expect you coming in but it that that room felt very cold and harsh were you caught off guard by the energy that you walked into at the reunion i think that i expected the energy to be like that because i knew what was being discussed.
I obviously knew Uba and Bryn's situation was going to come before I went on. And that can't be easy.
So when I walked into the room and took a read, I knew everyone was having their own energy preservation of just what went on. But I expected it to warm up knowing like you know it was it was time for my my part and that never happened it felt cold it remained cold uh for the balance until i left so i that part i was not expecting okay like obviously you and aaron seemed to get into it uh then a little bit of you and bren but just the energy in the room period don't know, they were all kind of mad at you for some reason.
Yeah. Maybe there's a group chat that I'm not part of that something was planned prior to my arrival because I was on what I thought great terms with everyone.
I mean, obviously Brynn and I aren't besties, but I walked into the reunion thinking it would be fine. And I was honestly as surprised as probably you guys were in that moment.
And, and just normally I'm aware when I do something and I take ownership for it, I could not figure out what I did, but I remember looking at each one, like, are you going to give me a lifeline? No, you know, Uwe and Jessel did. Um, but the rest just, it just felt icy.
Well, what happened with you and Aaron?? I mean have you been able to figure out like what her issues are with you and are you guys still at angst with each other or are you guys been able to reconcile at all? I think it started there was a Bravo Con weekend where you know she was on stage really distancing herself from the prank and you know I don't want to talk about the prank we've all heard it ad nauseum but I was very much like you know, I sent a text, I think they. And I, you know, I don't want to talk about the prank.
We've all heard it ad nauseum, but I was very much like, you know, I sent a text. I think they showed it like, you know, we did this together.
I'm happy to take responsibility, but you were part of it. And that was met with then her going back on stage and kind of making fun of the brand.
And as a friend who I thought she was, you know, a true friend, we hung out together, our kids have played together, our husbands met. I was like, wow, you're going to do that to me? Okay, fine.
And then we played phone tag. She chose not to call back after the last call.
And then an episode aired with some sensitive stuff about her father. And I didn't check in on her because I had actually checked in on her and been there for her when her dad actually passed.

And I was hurt from the weekend.

And so I guess to her, that made me fake and inauthentic and not standing up for women.

And so we have yet to rectify anything.

But I said, if people can be accountable, I don't hold grudges.

You know, when Sai apologized to me after calling me too nice and boring, I accepted her apology because I'm a grown woman. So I think as long as people are willing to do that work, like the doors open.
Did being called nice and boring bother you? I didn't like that somehow when you're calling someone nice, that's now negative. Like since when is being nice like a a negative term? Maybe in housewives land, that's now negative.
But I was like, so I'm being made fun of because I'm nice. Cool.
Okay. So it didn't upset me, but I was like, let's not further degrade women by saying a nice person is, that's boring behavior to be nice.
So you felt like it just her intention was negative and that's the issue you had in a way. I mean, I don't think her intention was negative.
So I just calls it as she thinks it and feels it. And I think that she was just speaking her mind.
It was a hot mic moment. And that's, that's what came out.
Have you tried to reach out to Aaron since the reunion? I have not. Why not? Why? Well, I mean, I guess, are you hoping to reconcile or are you kind of like fuck her because i guess if i if i found out a friend was mad at me i guess i would just i would been like hey let's let's let's have a cup of coffee and and and put it in their court you know for me it's just more like if a friend's mad at me and i did something wrong i would just i would want to put the ball in their court so i could say like i did what i could so to speak and maybe you're just kind of over it.
Wait, are you saying I should do everything I can? I don't think you should do anything. I'm just kind of curious where's your heart when it comes to this friendship? If I didn't care about our friendship, if someone called me out or whatever and I was like what are you talking about? There's a lot of friends I've had where I'm like, you know what? Maybe we've outgrown each other.
I've moved on. Sometimes it's like, you know and i was like what are you talking about like maybe i'd be like there's a lot of friends i've had where i'm like you know what maybe we've outgrown each other i've i've moved on sometimes it's like you know what i fucked up or you know i don't agree with them but like i clearly upset them so like but i do miss this friend but like so i'm just gonna reach out to him and say hey whenever you're ready i'm ready and i'm like but maybe you're not'm always ready.
Again, if someone wants to be responsible and accountable, like I am happy to engage. If she decides to do that, then I'm happy to have a conversation.
I she publicly humiliated me more than one time. Okay, I did clap back one time.
She didn't like that. And so I guess it's it's not a twoway street.
Okay. Yeah.
I think it's definitely different

when it's on a national television show and like, you know what you're doing. A little bit.
Yeah. Yeah.
So I see where you're coming from on that. Yeah.
Yeah. It's not like you can publicly humiliate someone and then privately apologize.
Do you know what I mean? Yeah. I think you have to figure out, you know, how do you see if you did anything that could have been really hurtful? And again, I'm happy when people take accountability.

I took it for my mistakes. It's actually easier when people do that.
No, that's true. How long were you actually on stage for? Because for us, it was the five questions Andy asked only about Scientology, and then you were done.
Did he ask you anything else? Yeah, I was there for about an hour. He asked the girls what they thought about my style.
We had more conversations about, you know, the thing that shall not be spoken about, the prank. I'm trying to think of what else did we talk about? I think it was an hour mostly of that type of content.
Are you happy you went on Roni or do you regret going on Roni? I have zero regrets. Zero.
I have a lot of lessons I learned. I, we got incredible things.
I had incredible opportunities. I made some good friends out of it.
And you know, there are parts that are really, really fun. And part of what was sad about last night when I made my statement, I was like, there's a lot of things I'm going to miss.
But it wasn't, you know, for me something I wanted to chase that feeling of the anxiety, the mental headspace that you have to be in in those moments. And it got dark, as you saw on the finale.
And I didn't want to be in those moments. I feel like I've done a really thorough job of going through my life and trying to eliminate as much negativity as I can.
And so for me, it was like, where are the good feelings? And let me chase that. I love what I do at Female Founder Collective.
I love talking about my book and having my podcast. I love designing.
I love being with my family. Let's chase those feelings.
And so that was where I had to say, it doesn't matter about money or it being amazing for my business. If it causes those things to my heart, it's not worth it.
Yeah, I could never. I mean, I give all the housewives and every person in the Bravo community a lot of credit just because it asks a lot of its cast members to really be open about everything in their life, whether you want to be open about it or not.
The audience really is demanding of that. I guess my question, when you said yes to the experience, were you surprised just how demanding Bravo its fans and I guess production is? I don't think they seem to care much about your boundaries, so to speak.
Right. And I think that's kind of like this unwritten rule of reality TV in general.
And specifically with Bravo and its fans, with its cast members, it's like, if you want us to root for you, if you want to be on the show, you gotta just talk about all of it, even rumors and yada, yada, which is crazy behavior. But like, that is, that is what is expected.
Did you realize that when you signed up for it? Or is that something you kind of discovered or just realized just how authentic Bravo and its fan base and community expects of its housewives and its cast people? I was fully warned. So I went open with eyes wide awake.
I was happy to share anything that was asked or questions that were brought up if they were done with the right intention in certain topics, which I'm sure you're going to ask me about. I don't think I was prepared for the media to twist my words like what they did over and over again.
That surprised me that I could take something that was positive or funny. And then

it's like, I think I said on an interview, like, I literally was with Jenna Lyons saying like,

ha ha, wouldn't it be funny if we were rivals? It was a joke. Even in the interview, I say it's a

joke. And then the headline is Rebecca tries to produce fake scene with Jenna Lyons.
I was like,

are you kidding me? You know, like just that was really shocking to me. And it made me want to not open up because you're like, now what are people going to say? So that was hard to navigate.
I'm sure from this interview, people are going to twist my words again. And I'm like, OK, here we go.
Let's see what they come up with now. So that's a fascinating thing to see how reality can be twisted like that.
I said this earlier, and I'd love to know your opinion on it, but I thought it was very strange how they crucified you for not talking about your religions and all that stuff. But we have Jenna Lyons who doesn't open up about what she had for breakfast.
So, like, how do you find the balance of, like, why do I get hold to this such high, but other people in this cast don't? You know, I think in the moment when I was going through a reunion whack-a-mole, as I'll call it, it was something that came to my mind. I was like, wait, there's a lot of things that people aren't talking about.
And there are a lot of things that were done and reshot by some other cast members when they weren't happy with the outcome. Why is this just on me? But I think I don't know what goes into the minds of who gets the favoritism or the free pass and who doesn't.
But I think that certain people were allowed to not talk about things and that was OK for them to have those boundaries. And with me, the irony, right, if I would have come in and been like, want to talk about it, want me to share everything? People would have been like, she's proselytizing.
She's trying to convert people. So either way, right, if I was going to be reserved or and or if you're, you know, asking me respectfully, I'll engage.
But any way I played it in that scenario, I likely would have been attacked. So sometimes you just go, oh, you know what? I can't please all and I'm just going to do the best that I can do, if that makes sense.
Yeah, totally. Do you have, like, as far as the Bryn and Uba of it all, you know, and we mentioned this kind of earlier, you know, obviously this is a very sensitive topic as it relates to what happened to Bryn.
But like, yeah, how do you see it? Because another thing that I really noticed too, it's just like all the women were just basically calling Bryn a liar about many things. It's like Bryn would say, I had ketchup, whatever.
And she's like, you didn't say that. And at the same time, we obviously want to hold space for Bryn and this very terrible event that happened to her.
How did you see it in terms of the other women being so certain of Bryn's intentions because while it does seem like Bryn has some issues with the truth when it came to this event you know of Bryn's confession about what happened to her in some ways I understand Bryn being like I you know I wasn't in the right mindset. This is a very traumatic event.

People are coming at her.

She's obviously triggered.

And while it seems like she,

I understand Uba's frustration.

I understand that they have a lot to work through.

Some of the other women being so certain

of Bryn's intention in accusing her

of trying to destroy Uba,

that was a little lost on me

because how can they be so sure of something, especially when we're talking about sexual assault, we're talking about trauma and things of that nature. But where do you land on that topic? I land on the topic.
First and foremost, I 100% believe what Bryn said happened to her. And I think that any woman who has had to go through that experience, I can't even imagine what's going

through your mind and how you talk about it afterwards. You know, being there in that moment, seeing it all go down in real time, it was very clear that Uba did not know.
And that once again, as we saw throughout the season, Bryn was stirring the pot and it went too far. The pot overflowed.
And I think, you know, none of us were recording this and maybe we should have cameras were down. Everyone had gone home.
And when she was telling us the story of how it got, you know, how she told Uba and details were missing and things were changing, it just became clear that Uba did not know. I don't think that anyone swears on their deceased mother or their future unborn child or has the visceral reaction.
I was in the room with Uba. I was the one sitting in front of her getting her to come back down to earth because she was not here.
I was packing her bag for her so she could leave for the hotel. Someone doesn't act like that if they knew.
So I think two things can be true. What Bryn went through sounds horrific and a nightmare, but to weaponize that at Psy said, it's unacceptable.
And we watched these little lies and these twisting of truths all season. It was very obvious.
It happened to me right away almost. So I think that, yeah, it's sad.
Do you think Bryn's intention was to weaponize it? I mean, you were there. So maybe we're being a little critical of the other ladies.
I don't think she goes, ooh, let me weaponize this. I think she said, ooh, let me start, you know, this fight and have it be chaos.
Because all night, if you look back, you know, for 24 hours, she was throwing out bait to different people. She threw it out to Aaron.
She threw it out to Jessel. You know, she in one scene and if they ever want to play this footage, you know, she's like, why don't you start this? And I was like, I wasn't there.
I'm not doing that. And, you know, she takes a shot, rolls her shoulders back and throws out the bait.
So to me, I think she was just looking for someone to bite. And unfortunately, it was the wrong topic to have someone bite.
So you think she knew what she was saying when she said it and she knew she was saying something that wasn't true? I think she knew what she was saying. I don't think she knew the drastic consequences.
I think she thought maybe this will end and erupt like any other situation. But this topic, you can't do that with.
But I don't want to assume and put words in her mouth or tell anyone what she was thinking, because I have no idea, to be honest. We understand that, but you were there, and it's easy for us to debate hypotheticals when we weren't...
It matters to see someone's body language and look on their face when they say something as opposed to like, maybe she was hysterical.

And you're like, I don't know.

Maybe she honestly had no idea what she was saying.

So it's interesting to hear your point of view.

I think it was just a bad, bad move on the chessboard to have that be the topic.

Do you think Bryn is trying to produce the show?

I think that at times she tried to produce.

Yes.

Yeah.

And I think that no one wants that. So I think we didn't like it the producers didn't like it the fans didn't like it but at the end of the day you need conflict and would we have had conflict without brin i don't know so in a way she can be great for that franchise yeah it's tough i mean look at it you know this drama aside i mean to that point it's like you know if jenna if jenna is going to be like how's my robe you know like it's really tough to work with that you know if your stick is the unproblematic queen i don't know how to work with that it's like listen i would sit there going okay none of us are naturally and organically gonna fight and you know what sometimes what? Sometimes I'm like, Bryn took one for

the team in a way that she was aware of the conflict that needs to happen in order for this to be interesting, good or bad. And I think that, you know, at the end of the day, though, it needs to be real.
It shouldn't be produced. How did it feel to be in a space that these people preach like, you know, women empowerment and support women and this and that.

And then to have all of these women bash your brand?

Well, luckily, it was only two people brashing my brand.

Who were the two?

I think it was only two.

I think it was just Bryn and then Erin at the end.

Well, there was the interview, I think, of, wasn't it Uber?

Someone saying that you had gifted them the bags and they were like, yeah, I haven't worn them or not my style. Oh, yeah, that was Erin.
Uba said she liked the bag and so I don't count her as bad. Okay, okay, okay.
I guess it hurt more when Erin did it because Erin's my friend. Right.
It hurt less when Brynn did it. It was actually a gift because I was like, oh, I see you now.
Okay, this is the game we're playing? Cool. It did not hurt me in the way that I think everyone expected.
Like they were like, why didn't you stand up for yourself? I was like, oh, I see you now. Okay, this is the game we're playing.
Cool. It did not hurt me in the way

that I think everyone expected.

Like they were like,

why didn't you stand up for yourself?

I'm like, I don't even need,

this is petty to me.

Do you know what has happened to me

in the 20 years I've built my business?

Like I have been single white female

in my own company.

I have had, you know, things thrown at me.

Like you name it, I've experienced it. So someone trashing a brand just shows that they don't understand business, frankly.
So that was not upsetting to me. It was just like, thank you for the gift.
You know, my gut is right. I see you for Aaron.
I was like, that sucks. That really sucks.
And then I went low as well. And I clapped back and here we are today not talking.
So I think that's what's so upsetting is like they focused so much on other things in your life that it's like you seem like you have been through so much and you have worked your way to such a high level of success that it's like I would have loved to learn that about you, but they weren't interested in, you know, you know, that was the disappointment I had because going in and I truly believe, when I had my conversations with production, it was like eight elevated women, all self-made, diverse backgrounds, fun, funny, you know, with who I am and what I stand for and what I do all day long. I would never, I think, have agreed to come into this type of environment had I known.
And maybe someone can say that was naive of me, but that's what I was genuinely told. And it was reiterated many times.
And so I think it's just this, you know, like, all right, how am I going to navigate this in a way I have to remain authentic to me? And I did show more. There are scenes on the cutting room floor, you know, of fun office stuff with my daughter and photo shoots and dinner, you know, a dinner event, me and Jenna and Jaisal and Raquel would too.
Jaisal and I did this fashion and founders event for 30 incredible designers. That was all there.
You know, Uba put together an amazing panel with Fern Malice and me and Melissa Wood Tepperberg. And we talked about our careers all gone.
So it was there. Yeah.
If, if, if people had made the decision that that was important. And I think women are ready to see this stuff on TV.
You can have both. You can have these powerful, awesome moments, and then you can have the petty fighting, but for whatever reason, it was all just this Becky doesn't talk and she's boring.
How much of your religion specifically to Scientology do you think impacted your experience on this season? You mean in how I was viewed? Well, that too, and how the women, you know, like, I didn't realize when you would come on, they would, you know, your entire conversation would be mostly centered around that. Yeah, I didn't, I didn't realize that either.
But yeah, do you think that's ultimately what framed your character arc or whatever? They seem to focus on that. There was a lot of focus on it.
I very much felt like there's an entire world here, as I mentioned, just three scenarios that was not focused on. Again, I can't speak to why.
I'm assuming it's clickbait headlines and attention-getting because it is a newer religion. People don't understand it.
So they will click that over something else. I was disappointed in the fact that, you know, with almost everyone, I was happy to have the conversation, but I'm only going to have it with you if it's genuine and it's interest.
It's not this salacious type seeking opportunity. And so that's where when I know you're going to do that, like at the picnic, if you've never bothered to get to know me and my experience with you thus far is these little annoying jabs and taking down my brand, you think I'm going to open up to you about my most personal and private beliefs? Like who the hell would? Yeah.
You know, so it was like a little laughable to me that they're like, you should have opened up more. Oh, really? You made it safe for me? I don't think so.
And so that's how I kind of felt about it. I'm going to try to ask you a question around this.
You can let me know if you think it's respectful or not. Okay.
But I want you to feel comfortable. There was a scene you had with erin like when she brought it up to you and you said something i found very interesting or erin brought up criticisms that scientology has received or something to that effect and you said something like you know like all religions there are good and bad aspects to it or something like that and like you have pulled through what you found to be the good aspects of that right something to that effect that resonate with you um was this the reunion no you guys were at like a lunch or something you know and you were basically like hey listen like there's just things that i've personally have benefited from you know being a scientologist where it was like i i'm just saying like i kind of related to that comment i grew up very cath, right? So I have very positive experiences growing up Catholic.
I don't practice much anymore these days, but my experience was always positive, right? And I resonated with that comment because like as someone who grew up Catholic, I was also very much made aware from people a lot of times who weren't Catholic, some of their criticisms of the Catholic faith, specifically with some of the things that priests have done.

And some of the, quite honestly,

like some of the very terrible accusations

that have centered around Catholic religion.

So, and as someone who was a Catholic,

you know, it's like, I felt like

I could still be a proud Catholic

while also acknowledge, you know,

that some things have gone on in the church

that I don't necessarily stand for or agree with,

but acknowledge that maybe they have happened. And I think, you know, like for me, for example, and I'll just speak for myself, I know very little about your religion.
I'm fully, and most of what I know is the criticisms it's received. And I think in some of those criticisms make you a little uncomfortable sometimes where you're just like, I don't even know how to talk to a Scientologist.
I don't even know if it's safe to talk to a Scientologist because of some of the stuff I've heard. And I think sometimes people have those questions about the criticisms because they just want to know what's up type of thing where it's like, you know what I'm saying? So it feels like sometimes a refusal to even acknowledge some of the criticisms or even talk about them, which makes some people, I think, not speaking for other people per se, but like even myself where it's just like, well, what's up with that? You know, because I can say like fucking some Catholic priests like deserve to be in prison.
And I'm cool with saying that, you know, does that make sense? It makes total sense. So I'll say a couple of things.
I think that when you have any activity that involves millions of people, there are going to be some dissatisfied customers, right? No one is discounting that. I can only speak from my experience of having done it and applied it to my life for the last 20 years of what it's done for me.
I also think that I am never, ever, ever uncomfortable by anyone asking me anything.

You could ask me all the crazy questions about everything you've heard any time of day. It is only when I know I'm on a reality TV show.
They're going to cut this. They're going to have someone say something behind my back about it.
It doesn't end going in. You know there are these preconceived ideas.
And I said it last night at the reunion.

This show is not the format to answer everyone's questions in terms of, am I going to get a fair shot?

And I think you can see I didn't get a fair shot.

So my observations were probably correct.

But if you wanted to ask me whatever you wanted, if we wanted to sit down and have a drink and you go, okay, this is everything.

Oh my gosh, I'm happy to clear that up because it's the misconceptions about it that I think people do want to know and rightfully so, you know? And one of the things that Bryn didn't like, I was like, read a book, you know, go to the website. It's free.
And she thought that was weird. But I'm like, but that's the source of the information, you know? So I'm never scared or uncomfortable, but it does come down to intention behind it.
Is it to know and be curious and want to clarify? Or is it to be snide and dig and try and, you know, make someone wrong, if that makes sense? Yeah, I mean, yeah, I guess I understand it. I mean, like, when it comes to some of the criticisms are you like do you acknowledge that like you know like are any of the rumors or like is there must be some truth about them you know kind of like i said like you know like you said you can't speak for everyone but i'm i acknowledge that like you know i mean shit a priest i knew growing up turned out to be a bad guy i mean we'd have to sit here and go through go through every one of them.
Yeah, no. But like, and that's not my intention of doing that.
Raquel brought up like, I have to give a percentage of my salary. I texted her.
I was like, by the way, ma'am, I don't give anything to anyone that I don't want to give to. So let's just be clear.
She's like, well, good, because that would be a lot of money. You know, and it was just like, no, I don't have to give a part of my salary to anything.
It's my money. And so I think that there's...
Again, everyone has different questions, but I can tell you that the things that were asked of me, at least from the cast, that I answered, whether it's Jessalyn or Kel, no, those things are not true. And for me, again, it helped me overcome extreme depression, depression that I thought I could never get out of.
It helped me be a better mom and communicator and raise children that, you know, while they're not perfect, neither am I, are good, happy kids. Okay.
Well, thank you for answering some of those questions. What's next for you, Rebecca? Well, my book, Fearless, is out in paperback.
I guess you could say I was a bit fearless going in and getting out of Roni. And what I what my goal was in writing this book was to have 22 very easy tools that you can remember when you're facing things that scare the fuck out of you.
And do you proceed? And so after 20 years in business, I felt like I had enough insane stories to tell. So I'm telling you these rules through my stories of failure and cringeworthy moments and the lessons I learned.
And then I have my podcast, which continues to be exceptionally exciting with the guests I have. And I'm just working on my 20th anniversary, which is all year long.
We're just going to party. All right.
Well, thank you for taking the time, Rebecca. We really appreciate it.
Sad to see you leave, Roni, and wishing you nothing but the best going forward. Thank you guys for having me.
Thank you, Rebecca. Take care.
It was very uncomfortable asking that Scientology question. I think you did that very, very 100 get where she's coming from if you are of any to talk to open up about any personal aspect of your life whether it's your beliefs whether it's whatever you practice whether it's children whether it's past trump like anything in your life you don't want to open that up in a room of people who don't give a fuck about you and like don't create a safe space like I 100 get where she's coming from i wouldn't answer any questions either same same i think it was gross of bravo to do what they did to her regarding scientology however they're just why bring it like why bring her on the show and then why platform something that's that controversial in that way without like fully having the capability to deal with it it's just why did they do it and cut out every other thing she ever shot for the show it's like you brought her on it yeah it's gross because now she's reality tv's like spokeswoman of scientology i'm also so confused because i feel like they're making weird editing choices because vanita from southern charm also posted a video earlier this week and it was um from the past episode of them being out at a bar and like having fun and drinking and all this stuff and it's like we don't get to see any of that this season has been so boring and then to come to find out that they filmed all of these events and things that they were actually working with together it's like why did we see none of that besides you guys sitting two by two talking about other cast members i would love to see her at photo shoot with her children.
I would have loved to see her speak about her business. I would have loved to see her in other rooms with the women.
But it's like, yeah, that is. In theory, though, but maybe it just didn't land.
Maybe she was boring. Bravo needs to bring back their unseen footage episodes.
They used to do it every single season of Housewives where like the last two episodes were after reunion and it was just like every single footage you haven't seen. Just there to yeah vanderpump they did that vanderpump too and it was just like the most chaotic scenes that didn't make the episode but even then the episodes were chaotic and good it's like you're cutting out all of the meat and bones and all of the good stuff and then you're handing us a carcass being like how do you feel about this and it's like we're like it's boring no taste no flavor no seasoning no meat i i think it's safe to say all these ladies on Roni were very measured and very safe and very uncomfortable with leaning in, except for Brynn and not to excuse her for some of the behavior we saw.
It was interesting to hear Rebecca. All these women, it seems very clear that they think Brynn knew what she was saying when she was saying it.
Right. i was like the only other person i feel like that was like vulnerable or gave us something outside of dynamics in this friendship group was raquel who actually like opened up about like her relationship with her parents and all that stuff and i was like why does nobody else get like jessel kind of did and jessel did too for sure but i'm like yeah so it's like but with these people that have so much power and raquel is just as powerful as a jenna, for example, that I'm like, why are we not having Rebecca showing her at events, showing her interacting with other people besides just people talking about her? I think the one criticism I wanted to ask Rebecca about Scientology is the accusations around some of the people in that community are known to harass and bully former members.

It's tough because I get what you're all saying.

We don't talk about religion, period, on this show.

We don't be like, why are you Buddhist?

We don't interrogate people's religions. But with this particular one, there is a lot more controversy around it with a lot more

salacious theories and accusations that do make you uncomfortable given a lot of of people's beliefs that they are not rumors that they're truth and there does seem to be a caginess or resistant to talk about i know we're about you know i just i don't know i don't know she she had the talking points that many many scientologists that speak publicly about Scientology have it's similar they all say

very very similar things in a way that leads many people to believe that there's coaching aspect of it the communication aspect of it is a big part of it it's a tricky it's a tricky one yeah so it's lovely yeah she does she seems lovely um yeah anyway anyone who ever wants to watch the documentary going clear

it makes you

is it a religion

I don't

like

it's a complicated question. Well, she seems delightful and we wish her nothing but the best.
And hopefully she's able to maintain her friendships with most of the cast. And I hope that Aaron and her can reconcile.
All right. Well, that wraps it up for today.
Don't forget to check out that interview with Carl Ratke. We have a really big week lined up for you next week.
Super excited about what is coming up then. We will see you then.
Bye. Bye.
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