E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches

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slash V-I-A-L-L What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I'm your host, Nick.
Before we get into everything, I just want to say, obviously, we released our miscarriage episode last Wednesday, and I have been absolutely in awe of just the outpour of love and support I've received. It's a very scary thing to be vulnerable on the internet, and it was a very personal thing to share, but I feel like the DMs that I've read, it's been a lot of people sharing their stories with me.
And, you know, I think just really proving my point of like, we are not alone. And, you know, to talk to people who've been through it is incredibly healing.
Obviously still going through the motion and feeling all the things, but I do just want to acknowledge everyone who has reached out. I love you guys.
Yeah, thank you. Our daughter is one years old.
We have a full-on toddler. Is it one years old they've officially become a toddler? They're no longer a baby.
What about the kiddos who are just not there yet, moving at their own pace? I they still i don't think it matters like what pace they're at just a one-year-old thing one-year-old toddler you're no longer a baby yeah what does toddler mean we no longer tell your age in months no i no i don't know i don't know that's just my guess great question yeah well i think actually it's in she's 14 months i think it's like yeah 14 months 18 months and's like when they're two. If you go over 24 months, like you're crazy.
You're just kind of a jerk. When did we stop with weeks? She's 74 weeks.
No, I don't. Weeks is like.
It's crazy. She's 52 weeks.
Once she hits a month. Did you know how many weeks are in a year? 52.
Perfect. A lesson for this morning.
You're so smart. That, no, honestly, she handled that party.
First of all, I threw that party together in a week, okay? Good for you. Like, I said, I want to do a small party.
I don't want to do anything crazy. I just, like, she's not going to remember it, whatever, whatever.
And then the closer it got to her birthday, I was like, maybe we should do a little something, you know? Feeling a little guilt so it was a lovely party now they did an amazing job and river is so lucky to have now as a mother truly and she's great and like i i think i'm a great dad i i do i'm a hands-on father i'm involved as much as any dad out there well not any i'm i'm up there i'm a one percent dad in terms of the involvement but like when it comes to this stuff, Nally really brings... I lack any type of party planning.
I feel that. Power wash the backyard.
Hey. And that's what you're there for.
On Nally's instructions. I wasn't like, I should power wash.
You know what I want to do today? He's nothing if not for you. Actually, he pushed it off until morning of.
Which ruffled her feathers for sure. But I will say, I really appreciate Natalie's party planning skills.
It brings joy to my life in ways I never thought I would appreciate. It would start with our wedding.
That's where we'd start? Not at your birthday book launch party? Sure that's that one yeah no yeah that's all right sorry no no it's fine that was a bit more expensive all on my budget for you exactly don't want it to go overlooked definitely don't think anyway but yeah i just never you know if if iva was in charge of planning our wedding we would have had a backyard barbecue 100 what I'm saying? With like no barbecue. People would have been like, where's the food? And you're going to be like, fuck.
No, I've been like, let me run to Gelson's. I'll cook.
I got this. Like that's the intent of it.
And Nali is really good at creating moments for our family, like in memories. And that's something I never really thought I'd appreciate until until now i started doing the stuff for our for our family it's really great so like she she created some amazing memories for for river i think it's just i really want to like have i didn't really come from a family of like traditions you know yeah i mean i had you know i think i've talked about like every so often on like christmas, my mom would let us pick out whatever cereal we wanted.
But I really can't remember any other stuff. And so it's like for River, I want, you know, Nick and I went to Color Me Mine and painted her a little birthday plate that she can use every year on her birthday.
We like put her little donut on it the morning of. Which for anyone out there, Nellie had a wonderful idea and it really turned out.
Oh my God, we hated each other during that painting. I'll be honest.
Let me explain why. The attitude swirling and color me mine.
I felt so bad because everyone else was on dates and we were like, use the different pink, Nick, come on. Natalie had a vision.
Yeah. All right, let's be clear.
And it's a great vision. It was like, we are going to like go to this place and make River her birthday plate.
And then until she breaks it, eventually, of course, it will be her birthday plate. At some point, we're going to have to glue that plate together without question.
I hope you're prepared for that. It's a lovely plate.
But like now he's like, let's go paint this together. And I said, great, let's do this together.
And we showed up, you know, I came from work. She came from somewhere else.
We showed up as two busy parents often do at the place to unite and create their daughter her first birthday plate. And some of you may not know this, but I have a small, well, I can't party plan.
I can draw and I can paint. And I have a bit of an artistic thumb, as some might say.
It didn't matter because I wasn't part of the vision. And so now's like can you draw a cake and then and it was just like what is that i don't know and then i started painting and then she's like i don't like that pink and i don't like it and i was like you know what this i'm gonna shut the fuck up and i'm just gonna sit here and watch you paint this plate and it turned out and it is amazing but like you can't paint a plate together.
Yeah. You pick your own, just get two plates and may the best man win.
The Hunger Games with baby plates? Because this is not something to do together. Well, I think if I...
Not if one person has a vision. No.
It wasn't like, let's just see what happens. It was like, what the fuck are you doing? I think if i explained what you did to start that ruined it then maybe everyone else would agree ruined your vision yeah no i understand we started with a cupcake and the cupcake top was completely off center of it's a round plate it was not in the center of the round plate it was like up to the left a little bit and my virgo brain was like absolutely the fuck not that's not gonna work so I said you know what why don't we switch roles and do like uh uh move to a cake instead of this cupcake I was fine let's pull up Nick was like no no no you were not fine you're like you want me to erase this I just drew a cupcake and now you want me to erase the whole cupcake I'm like yeah that they have huge erasers here for a reason that's 12 minutes minutes gone.
Drawing a cupcake. It had shadows and everything.
It was like... It was a good cupcake.
Then, I wanted, you know, you know those paint pins that they have that they have actual paint they use with a paintbrush and then they have gel pins? This part infuriated me. He only wanted to use the gel pins.
No, that's not true. He did not want to want to use the paint and i'm like we're here to paint a plate nally wanted not pin draw nally wanted like like she wanted it to look like a cake right she wanted to draw a cake and like not to mansplain painting because i just have painted nally wanted to like to draw the details of a candle with like a feathered brush i was like go nuts draw this candle and see if it looks like a candle when you're done and guess what it looks like not a candle so that was like really lovely for us to do that together it's a memory we'll never forget um but it did turn out i think i think we definitely threw in some details at the end that probably could have been left out.
But it was like, what do we fill this space with? We gave her some color and some texture. So then we did the birthday plate.
And then I really was like, I want to wake her up with a donut. Like a candle in the donut on the birthday plate.
Like go into her room. Like happy birthday.
You know, like that be her first moment. And for someone on a sugar, like a no sugar diet right now this was difficult everyone had to everyone had to abide by nick's no sugar he was like a donut on her birthday absolutely not that's crazy that's crazy she can't have a donut oh she's never had sugar so apparently i don't know i guess when you turn one and you can have anything you want yeah the cake that's kind of like where the restrictions end, you know? Yeah, I get it.
Nick loves the excuse of like, it's Christmas. You know, like, come on, we're out of the way.
That's old Nick. That's old Nick.
Sorry. So did you not have? I didn't have any of that cake or donuts.
A donut, a cake. And everyone at the party was like, this is the best chocolate fucking cake I've ever had in my life.
And I love chocolate cake. It good chocolate for you yeah i didn't have any i definitely have a picture of you two going into kiss river and look at it and it's like natalie's looking right at river nick's looking right i'm looking right at the cake his cakes look so good it took every every strength i had not to not to eat that quick good for everyone really did kept saying like this is the best and you'll never know i'll never know also the cake pop but she handled it so well she like loved the attention she did she didn't get overwhelmed no she was great i don't think and she took like her first steps like she started walking like a few days ago i feel like january 26 river's a performer she has i think a little bit of her mother in her in the best possible way because i think river honestly i think she has been she she started standing around like five six months and i was like this chick's gonna be like fucking walking in a week and like no turns out she was just kind of like i think she could have been walking for like a month but she's like you know what my birthday's like in a month and i really i think there's no way to like no reason to like get ahead now she wanted a hard launch she wanted a hard launch but she soft launched it with us yeah a few days ago took a few steps and after her nap and the party started she like came out in her little uh fairy uh dress that natalie picked out she like walked around the corner like being a little fairy angel princess baby that she is and uh smiled at.
Yeah, she really- A little laugh. She took it all in.
She laughed. She performed.
She spung. Made friends.
She made friends. She laughed.
She did. Told jokes.
It was adorable. It was a great party.
Yeah, Natalie deserves all the credit. I was there to help.
A lot of people in my messages think that I paid a tablescape person to come and do- What's a tablescape person? People who do like design tables.

No,

that's all Natalie.

And her mom.

And my mom.

Collective.

Yeah.

But Natalie was the visionary

for sure.

It was Trader Joe's.

We executed her plan.

And some Amazon

next day shipments.

One of my favorite moments

was overhearing Nick

tell somebody,

he goes,

and this is Natalie

being chill.

And again,

that was meant

as a compliment.

Like it really was.

It was a perfect

little party.

It really was.

Natalie brought her

I'm sure. And this is Natalie being chill.
And again, that was meant as a compliment. Like it really was, it was a perfect little party.
It really was, yeah. Natalie brought her child.
Leah brought her child because Natalie's child is your child. I was like, oh, Natalie brought her child.
Yeah, that makes sense. My brother brought his child.
So there are only three kids. There's only three kids.
And then we had a couple friends, whatever. It was lovely it was lovely but it wasn't like you know some of those first grade birthday parties it's just like first present where are you be present some of those first year birthday parties they're crazy oh yeah they're crazy this lack of sugar in your brain I know I don't have enough sugar he's crafting right now he's crafting out no I i have no worry i have all my fruits and orange juices on deck you might need some right now i hope all of you get to do you guys drink orange juice yes you you like orange juice i love you love orange juice what kind of orange juice do you drink okay so my favorite orange juice used to be it's actually it's national now but it used to be like a local florida orange shoes natalie's um that's that's where you're at in your uh orange juice he's gonna shame you that's okay i don't mean to be i love a i love a classic florida's natural um i'm not picky when it comes to orange juice but i also come from i also come from florida yeah there's an entire wall of orange juice we would get fresh squeezed orange juice like So you grew up on freshly squeezed.
Sometimes. And now you're drinking Natalie's? Okay.
I feel like orange juice is my culture. So I think everything I have to say on this issue is correct.
Well, not if you're drinking Natalie's as your go-to orange juice. It's not my go-to.
They have a strawberry lemonade that's incredible. I love a sugary orange juice.

And I love a fresh squeeze.

They're two different things to me.

And my, I come, girl, I come from the groves, okay?

I was going around the orange groves when I was a girl. When I was a little young girl, I would water around the groves.

I know what orange juice is.

And sometimes I like the sweetness and the sugar and the pulp.

Well, being a kid who grew up on the Frozen cans The frozen blocks Of like I don't know Like soda cans And it was like a frozen block of orange juice Must add water I used to think those were good And then I remember when simply orange juice was like invented And I was like oh my god it's simply just orange juice This must be freshly squeezed I thought that was good Yeah orange juice is like flying It's like flying, my God, it's simply just orange juice. This must be freshly squeezed.

I thought that was good.

Yeah, orange juice is like flying.

It's like flying.

You know,

once you go to first class,

you never really can go back.

I don't know.

Can't speak for Mary,

but once you're on the-

Sorry, I like orange juice

of the people.

It's what I enjoy

spending my money on.

Nick likes $25 orange juices.

That's the best money

I've ever spent.

It's like $19.

How much do you get? And this is Nick being chill Freshly squeezed orange juice It should be the only orange juice available I will say It is objectively better Thank you I'm not saying it's not good It I'm just, it's not always readily available.

I don't think, no, it's, oh my God, no, it's not.

Like I go on missions around LA to find Fressy Squeezed orange juice.

You're also getting navel oranges a lot of the times.

And tell me why that's bad.

Well, I'm just saying the only like true orange juice is a Florida orange.

And where can I procure?

Like I want to get into the juicing business.

It's like doing a key lime pie when just regular limes.

Like that's not legit. That's just a lime pie at the lake house they uh which they broke ground finally today nice remodeling the lake house we have like a live feed of it you know can't wait uh i'm gonna be squeezing so much freshly squeezed orange shoes at that lake house like every day is gonna just there will be a shortage of oranges around the nation are you gonna get like a professional juicer like not like the ones where you like put like like the ones where you have the oranges in there, like Jamba Juice? Oh, and they get chopped? Yeah, it's like they do the whole thing for you.
I don't know. I haven't really done my full research.
It's a lot of oranges for glass orange juice. He's been researching a lot of frame TVs recently.
There is the best- In Zero Turn Mama. Wait, in Zero Turn Mama.
I can't imagine. Wait.
If you're ever in Vero Beach, Florida, there is this. Where is that? It's in Florida.
Give me like a. Okay.
So West Palm Beach. Yeah.
North. But coast.
What side? Like central. East coast.
Okay. There's this place where you can get like an orange slushie.
They have like fresh orange juice. Countryside Citrus.
Countryside Citrus.

It's orange slush with soft serve.

And it's the most incredible thing

you will ever have in your life.

Shout out Countryside Citrus.

Vero Beach, Florida.

I just want the slushie.

You can just get the slushie.

I just want the slush.

It is.

I want the freshie squeeze slush.

They also have orange ice cream.

So they like have all of their own

like produce and stuff.

So they have like homemade orange ice cream. They have their orange slushy.
And it is the best thing in the world. And it's next to Gloria Estefan's hotel.
It's the best use of your money. I just have a feeling.
Not at least one day. It's like, surprise, babe.
We're going to Florida. She's like, why? No, just a surprise.
You can go to the Tropicana Field. Okay.
I used to live close to the Florida's natural. I used to drive by it all the time when going to see my grandparents, the facility.
I can't get over you saying what side of the coast. It is Florida, famously a peninsula.
Yeah. Okay.
I always for some reason thought Miami was on the west side, but it's not. No.
Speaking of west side, Grammys 2025 was last night. Huh? Anything cool happen? Yes.
Kendrick Lamar winning multiple Grammys. Song of the year, record of the year for Hating on Drake.
Not great. There's a whole point where when he wins his award, they're playing Not Like Us.
And they're literally playing the Drake verse. And the entire audience goes, A minor! Like, you've got Tay Swift in the audience.
You've got, like, legends in the audience. You've got Blue Ivy knowing every word.
Where was Drake? Not invited to the Grammys. Not invited to the fucking Grammys.
You know what I thought was crazy? Is Drake getting canceled or something? He is selling his $88 million house. Yeah.
That's on sale now. Where is that? In Beverly Hills.
He needs it. He needs it.
What's crazy, though, about that house is that there's 10 bedrooms and 22 bathrooms. That's what I like.
22 bathrooms. Why? He just needs multiple places to cry after he gets bodied by Kendrick at the Super Bowl.
I'm always a big fan of any place or space that has more bathrooms than bedrooms because it's just kind of like, this is the guest bathroom.

This is my personal bathroom.

And there's nothing more awkward than having to walk through someone's bedroom to use their bathroom. And it's just like, I'm in your space.
There's also a main house and then the separate house. And then an 11-car garage.
God, who needs 11 cars? And an elevator. But what I did think was crazy about the Grammys is that Taylor presented best country album to Beyonce and Kanye West flashback to however many years when Taylor Swift won best album of the year.
Right. And Kanye West was like, I just got to interrupt for a second.
You didn't deserve this. Beyonce did crazy.
Like it was really like a bookend on like that full circle, like chapter you have like beyonce and taylor both at the height of their careers beyonce finally winning album of the year best country album and like taylor swift just like incredibly supportive of her and it's just they're dominating the music industry and kanye is getting fucking kicked off the red carpet with his naked wife so kanye showed up with his naked wife and he he wasn't invited he just said he showed up and said, let's. He wasn't kicked out.
You're naked. Let's go to the Grammys.
Well, he walked the red carpet and then they left, basically. Yeah.
He wasn't kicked out of the Grammys. Oh, so fake news.
They were not kicked out. He was nominated and walked the red carpet, then chose to get in his car and leave.
Oh, so he showed up for the red carpet and did not stay for the party. Yeah.
Yeah. He then posted and deleted images from the evening on his Instagram account captioning one of the photos with love story.
Love story. He's also only following Taylor Swift.
That's not right. That's fake.
Yeah. No, I literally went to go look at his account.
Because when I looked at it yesterday and today he's only following Bianca. So like I think he's switching up.
He's being a little bitch. Maybe Bianca got mad.

Today he's only following

Bianca.

He's being fucking weird.

But Chambliss

screenshotted it

and sent it to me.

I mean isn't public

indecency illegal?

That's...

I don't understand

but some people are saying

because it's a private event

and like the red carpet

is shielded

but I'm like

the woman is fully naked.

Yeah.

I saw her landing strip.

Oh my god I thought

she was wearing

a censored dress.

No.

I saw her labia minora. Yeah.
Like 100% labia minora. I'm not a doctor.
Have we heard her speak? No. Once.
I remember I researched it and there's like one small clip of her saying something. I don't know.
Like, I just need to know if she's being held hostage. I need her mom or a sister, a cousin, a family friend, someone to be like, no, she's good.
I mean, does she run hot? That is 100% Kanye West being like, let's make headlines, let's make waves, go naked. And it works.
And she's like, okay, yes, sir. If she's down for it, I kind of see the vision.
There is no vision. I mean, clearly, I'm assuming she's down for it.
Otherwise, we're talking about kidnapping. I mean, the human body is beautiful, but why? But there is no vision.
Like, that is, there's just no way she would be like, yeah, fuck Yeah. Let me walk a red carpet in front of all of these strangers and cameras in the world.
But ass naked with the tiny and she keeps like pulling down this dress of of of nothing. See through father.
Like it's literally see through like you can pull it down all you want. It's not changing.
Which like when we pull it down, the more you can see through it. Yeah.
So she is wearing something. Yeah.
But it's like a sheer dress. Like a clear plastic bag.
It's basically pantyhose. I think pantyhose covers more.
Yeah. Yeah.
I feel like we can all attest to like when we're out wearing a dress or a mini skirt or something and we like constantly are pulling it down is because we're a little like, ooh, self-conscious that like butt cracks out or like self-conscious. Something's going gonna pump out yeah and so that's the fact that she kept pulling down that non-existent dress told me that like she's uncomfortable she does always look uncomfortable but i will say like in his defense like we do go to museums and consider the naked body like high art so like that's his whole thing where he's trying to be like a visionary of like art mixed with fashion mixed with like she's his muse a hundred percent but i feel like it would be completely different if the way that that i watched them on the red carpet it was like he wouldn't stand close to her he didn't put his arm around her he stepped away he looked at her it was like a very like she's a spectacle she is his like gets him on headlines and he just steps back and makes her do these crazy things and wears these crazy outfits there's a theory online online that I'm not saying is true, but I'm like, there's a theory that's

saying that because she looks so much like Kim, that it's like his way of humiliating

his ex-wife almost like as if it's like, can't do it to her, but I'm going to this woman

that looks exactly like Kim.

I'm going to make her dress like this X, Y, Z.

But I mean, it's like these are his children's stepmother, you know, like your kids are seeing your stepmom's vagina on a red carpet with the rest of the world like that's crazy i couldn't agree more well it's kanye i wish she could speak i wish she'd speak too i wish someone in her life would speak and be like oh my god no she's always wanted to walk a red carpet naked that's been a lifelong dream of hers it's in her diary when she was five well who you know who's speaking in that family? Tristan Thompson. What does he have to say? He is claiming, apparently, which I found to be odd, and maybe I'm getting the story wrong, but he is claiming that he is the father of Dr.
Angela White's child? No, I think, and correct me if I'm wrong, but they basically raised that baby. I know that Dream is with them, with Drew all the time.
I don know where rob is i don't have his location well this this context this context adds a lot because when i like saw it so tristan posted a snapshot where he basically said i have two daughters and their names are dream is my oldest daughter and true is the second oldest those are my two girls and i miss you so much i love you guys and china commented on a repost of the, Dream has one mother, Angela White. I usually don't speak up, but I'm done.
Stop all this clout chasing involving my daughter. As parents, we have joint custody and we also have a beautiful healthy co-parenting relationship.
Why didn't she say she has one mother and one father, Robert Kardashian? Well, she did say like beautiful co-parenting relationship, which I guess is alluding to Robert. I just refer to not his daughter as his daughter.
I mean, I get it. I grew up with people who were like my aunt and uncle and I called them Andy whatever, but this is clearly a sensitive subject and a guy who has his own problematic headlines and stories and his own behavior of family values and and yada yada yada is out there just

being like my two daughters i don't know yeah that's definitely weird for him to be like i have two daughters and like their names are dream and true and it's like you don't in at least defense though she is always with like chloe interested even on like watching the kardashians chloe's very open about how she takes a lot

of care of Dream. Sure.

But that definitely does not make

sense. Chloe and Tristan.
Yeah, yeah. Even on watching the Kardashians, Chloe's very open about how she takes a lot of care of Dream.
Sure. But that definitely does not make Tristan her father.
And it doesn't make her mother. I don't think Chloe has ever said that.
I know, sure. But I'm imagining she's a lot more involved than him.
Well, I just wish that Angela Blacchyna would have said, Dream has one mother, Angela white and one father robert kardashian and like thank you so much for these two people who like watch her but like you're not her parents you know i don't know where is rob we don't know he stays off of he has private life yeah i'm not really interested in like rob like the public figure and like i don't really care about his instagram but like where is rob Rob in relations to why is Tristan Thompson of all people assuming any type of parental responsibility in this family dynamic? Probably because he has not played one game of basketball in so long that he's like I guess I'm just dad of No it's just more a where's Rob in all this. I think he's a recluse.

Because that was like part of his storyline too

is that he never wanted to be a part of the family events

and show up to things.

And I see a headline that says

Rob Kardashian's family worried he's cut off from the world.

He even wears disguises when out.

And that was from last year, December 19th.

Wow.

I was like, maybe he's...

Definitely a weird post by Tristan.

Yeah, definitely weird. Maybe Tristan is soft launching his trade to the lakers like luca there was a big trade babe everyone's yeah talking about it i guess luca formerly of the dallas mavericks yep he's looking at me he's very good he's one of the best uh players in the nba usually trades like this don't happen because i went to a lakers game and I've never been more bored in my life.
So yeah, maybe that they were they heard you loud and clear Natalie and then we need a star because like when LeBron doesn't play who the fuck do we root for? Baby Bron? Not from me. Now Luca.
Now Luca. Also Anthony Davis.
I feel like it's always out injured for getting like poked in the eye. Leia's reading tweets from her husband Danny.
No, I, I said that one. I, that, that one was mine.
I, I did see a tweet about it. That was like, um, I named my dog Luca.
What am I supposed to call him now? Anthony Davis. And that made me laugh.
No, but I feel like Danny was definitely freaking out more than when I told him I was pregnant. So how that make you feel? Nah, I understand.
Is he a big Lakers fan? He's a big Lakers fan, and he just doesn't understand how this is possible. Is he happy? He's like, Leah, you don't understand.
There's never been a trade like this before. There hasn't.
So he's happy. He's thrilled.
I think he's shocked. He's still coming to terms with it, but he's happy.
I mean, is he good? Why wouldn't he be happy? If he's a good player, why wouldn't he be like, oh my God? It's just insane that it happens. Why Dallas would do that does not make any sense.
He's their star player. He's one of the best players in the league, and he's young.
Don't we think the Lakers just bought him out? No, in fact, when it comes to, not to bog the audience down with contract stuff, but in the NBA, they have guaranteed contracts, which is cool. But if you sign with the team that you play for, you are eligible for what they call a supermax deal.
And it's like $340 million or whatever. Yeah.
But because Luca was traded and he's not with the original team that drafted him, I believe that has something to do with it. He is no longer even eligible to sign that deal.
So like by him getting traded. money like a hundred million dollars he got fucked over and everyone's like how did this happen yeah yeah so stephen smith is because other teams would like sometimes like sometimes players get traded but they would sign the deal with the original team to like work around this like rule and then get traded but they just said fuck that we're just trading don't care.
That's going to cost you $100 million. Do you feel like they're just going to start putting the Lakers games on Netflix with Temptation Island? That might get people to actually watch men's basketball again.
This is big news for us, really. For those of you who don't know, Temptation Island is a TV show that's been on TV for some time now.
On the USA Network. It debuted when I was in college on Fox.
Wow. Whoa.
Yeah, I watched season one. Yeah, it was good.
Did Temptation Island start around the same time as The Bachelor? Around that time? I feel like there used to be a night where it was Bachelor and Temptation Island. It might even have been before Bachelor.
Really? It was my sophomore year of college. This was like 2000.
I think it was before The Bachelor. I was two.
This is not FBoy Island. So is this basically...
Nick was a sophomore in college watching Temptation Island and I was two. Fresh out the boom.
I just started walking. How do you feel? Uncomfortable.
Temptation Island came on 2001. Bachelor premiered in 2002.
Oh, happy birthday. Oh my God.
So it came up before. Anyways, Temptation Island's been on longer than The Bachelor.
I don't think it... I think it wasn't on very long.
It left the air, came back on the USA network or whatever. Same host known as Mark Wahlberg, not the A-list actor, but a different Mark Wahlberg.
A different Mark Wahlberg. Was the host in 2001 and continues to be to this day.
And for those, you know, Temptation Island, like you get couples that come on a la like the ultimatum and then they couple swap and and it's like nasty and crazy it's trying to get them to cheat on each other basically yeah and people who i know watch it like really think it's excellent television well because it's on usa which i think a lot of people are like did that even still exist now it's going to be on netflix much easier for us to binge so i'm excited when's this when's this debut march march 12th i think i predict it's going to be a hit and it's going to be i think we're all going to be talking about it come march do you think people are going to like it more than will ferrell smoking a cigarette as buddy the elf why are people so upset about this some people are not happy according to will ferrell they thought please be true to the character that was not cool and will said i think buddy was having a bad day yeah he just went to a hockey game smoked cigarettes and drank beer yeah will ferrell famously a couple weeks ago like dressed up as buddy the elf and went to an la kings game and he was like smoking a cigarette he looks like he just had a you know smoke a cigarette it was not a real cigarette it was a it was a peppermint cigarette so he was like really committed yeah Just doing a bit. He was doing a bit.
He thought it'd be fun. He was method acting.
Yeah, he was. And that's the type of method acting that I think is okay.
Why is this a problem? You know? People change. Even your beloved characters.
Yeah. Maybe like Buddy the Elf.
Just like finally, you know, the grind of being in LA hit him. Yeah.
It's like, how much work does this man have to do around Christmas time? He cannot have one cigarette. He said, occasionally, I just like to do weird things and just like to stir it up.
Yeah. Will Ferrell is just.
My favorite. He's a man of the people.
My favorite Will Ferrell line is in this movie, Eurovision, which is an awful movie. It's a really good movie.
It's awful. It's the best.
No, it's bad in like an incredible way. Bad or good? Well, it's a dumb comedy.
It's not winning an Oscar. Yeah.
It's a dumb Netflix comedy. It's a great movie.
It's a really good movie. It's awful.
It's the best. No, it's bad in like an incredible way.
Bad or is it good? Well, it's a dumb comedy. It's not winning an Oscar.
Yeah, it's a dumb Netflix comedy. It's great.
And he- But based off of a very real thing. Yes.
And he has this line. He goes, Simon and Garfunkel instead of Simon and Garfunkel.
And it always makes me laugh. Anyway.
This does make me think of how Lizzie McGuire, when they did the reboot, Hilary Duff was like, I want her to want her to grow up and they're like no we want her to be like as tacky and like as if she never grew up and she's like i'm not doing this and then they canceled the reboot yeah after like starting to shoot it the episodes exist that's one of my least favorite things that um tv shows do is like when they do do a flashback to when the character is a child and they're wearing the same hairstyle and it's just like you've been wearing the same hairstyle for 25 years put them in a bag with put them in a bad wig you know what challengers did give her like give her like bangs to signify it's the past i love a goatee flashback they do that in friends a lot exactly yeah bad facial hair choices like things that we all experimented in from a little camp with an adult yeah you know that, Nick, you would probably relate to this woman, but this UK woman was charged with harassment after cyber farting at her ex-boyfriend. This is the best headline in the world.
This is awesome. Such a dumb headline in crime.
No, it's not dumb. It's real, though.
Someone... A 25-year-old UK woman just made history with Britain's first ever cyber farting case.
It all started with a video message to her boyfriend's ex-girlfriend. The relentless cyber farting...
That's the craziest words. ...began before Christmas and continued through New Year's.
The inappropriate and indecent or grossly offensive videos, eventually earning Evans a 12-month term for malicious communications. She proceeds to pass gas by placing the camera at her...
She deserves prison. A hundred percent.
She deserves to go to prison. Or this is the best bit in the world.
No, that is the craziest thing to do to someone and you deserve to be behind bars. You're recording yourself farting and sending it to your boyfriend's ex-girlfriend.
He better break up with you immediately.

But what is it? You can't smell it.

Doesn't matter.

I mean, listen, it's a crazy story

anecdotally, but it's even

crazier that they're arresting people

for farting into a camera.

She proceeds to pass gas by placing

the camera on her bottom and passing the gas,

said prosecutor Diane Williams.

Miss Evans passing wind. How many times can we, how many different ways can we say farting passing wind passing gas her face smiling at the camera criminal she's a criminal the victim deborah pyre victim is in quotes yeah deborah something runners and pedophiles are all in jail then you can start worrying about people like this said the booty belches made her feel unsafe in her own home when she appeared in court pleading guilty when she appeared in court pleading guilty she said her actions were done in support of her boyfriend she suggested she wanted to send videos because she felt her partner was being treated unfairly it was purely malicious she was smir smirking throughout.
She found it hilarious, but the victim didn't. Evans must attend 15 rehabilitation sessions, 60 days of alcohol, abstinence monitoring, and a two-year restraining order following the cheek-squeaking stunt.
The cheek-squeaking stunt? This is journalism. Booty belt.
The big takeaway is that going forward, we'll never fart. I will only booty belt.
Guys Guys this is my favorite thing we've ever talked about Cheek squeaking Cheek squeaking I did the research on this and I was like Of course people in US Magazine Left us off I think England's going up in flames I also just like block her Cut the block her. What happened to cut the cheese? Ooh, cut the cheese.
That's a good one. What happened to free speech? That's not freedom of speech because it's freedom of wind.
It's a booty belch. Hey, if we can't, who are we if we cannot let one rip? Thank you.
Our butts are allowed to speak. Yeah.
Is that not coming? I feel like. It's England.
It's England. They have different rules.
I feel like after this story, she's going to get a lot of messages being like, I'll pay for your farts. Oh, my God.
This is. Yeah, this is.
She should do cameos. She's going to make a living.
This is a gateway into her OnlyFans career. Foodie belching 101.
There's some freaks. I got some DMs asking for my burps on video.
So. Your regular belching? My belching on command.
You can put River through college. Did you share that you have this special skill? No, I've never actually shared that before.
So when I got that DM, I was a little nervous for sure. I didn't know if there was cameras.
How much money? He did not say. Open to negotiation.
He said it would come from his own personal checking account, though.

Okay.

Thank you for not laundering money.

That's a little weird.

Guys, we have an amazing episode lined up for you.

We have an even crazier week.

Coming up shortly, we got Bob Harper from Traders just exiled from the castle.

He is with us momentarily to talk about all things Traders.

Then we have a full week for you guys.

Obviously, we dropped Ask Nick, a really great episode yesterday.

We have a rally recap today.

Tomorrow, we have an explosive interview.

Tomorrow, we got Carl Radke on an amazing episode of Going Deeper.

We finally got Carl into the studio.

Obviously, we had the pleasure of interviewing his ex, Lindsey Hubbard, a while back.

I think at one point, I said that Carl was too chicken to come on the show.

Well, here into the studio. Obviously, we had the pleasure of interviewing his ex, Lindsey Hubbard, a while back.
And I think at one point I said that Carl was too chicken to come on the show. Well, he is not.
And he is here with us to answer all of our burning questions and many of yours as well. That is on Wednesday.
And Carl's kind of been like, other than obviously being on Summer House, kind of low key. You know, he hasn't really talked to anyone until now.
Okay. What do we got to get to? Well, Gretchen Rossi is back.
Orange County Housewives. This is kind of epic.
Tell us about Gretchen Rossi. I'm not as familiar with her.
Gretchen had a long run on Orange County. Famously feuded with Tamara and I believe Vicky as well, but she's coming back to Orange County this year and it's kind of a big deal.
I'm really excited to see. Is she coming back as a housewife or friend of? I believe she's fully casted as a housewife.
So she's not taking Alexis Bellino's place. No.
Okay. Jen posted a video with her, Katie, and Gretchen.
So it seems like this is going to be like the newbies. And Gretchen famously has issues with Tamara I think this is going to be a very interesting season and Shannon also posted about Gretchen coming back saying that she was really excited to have her so we haven't heard from Heather or Tamara about Miss Gretchen no we have not she's going to return as a friend so she's returning as a friend so she's replacing so she is replacing Alexis well but we all know that once you film there is a possibility that you can get like bumped up to full time.
And the people have been asking for this. Which is Tamara's going to get bodied, basically, is what's going to happen.
I mean, I don't know. I just know it's not going to be it's not going to be quiet season.
That's for sure. Gretchen kind of has made her own little space as like a homemaker.
Have they started filming yet? No, no. And like her husband has drama with Tamara.
Like it's like there's like a whole a whole thing. So you guys, it's going to be a really, really, really good season.
I will say I'm excited for Summer House, especially after like the whole Paige and like the rumors of her dating. I don't know if you saw, but Austin Kroll went on Watch What Happens Live from Southern Charm.
And he was asked about the rumors and quotes of Paige dating another man.

And he was like,

I don't think the rumors are rumors.

And didn't Paige respond with,

oh yes, a man who I haven't talked to in six months

knows more about what I'm doing.

Yeah.

And then meanwhile, she also,

she's freezing her eggs.

So it's like,

there's this multi-layered conversation of like,

Craig wanted kids.

She's freezing her eggs.

It's the whole messy situation.

I mean,

it seems very clear

that they just were not

on the same wavelength.

Like,

he was ready.

She's career motivated

right now.

He's got that backyard

of like,

unnecessary fire pits,

which I love,

by the way,

but that's like giving like,

you know,

Googling lawnmowers,

you know?

Yeah.

Googling lawnmowers. Paige is like, I don't think she's there right now she's looking for flights yeah vacations like freeze this shit i don't know when i'm gonna have time for it he's like babe we got fire in the backyard you know they're just not on the also i mean yeah that if i were page austin kroll speaking out on watch what happens live would also piss me the fuck off.
Yeah. Austin, you.
Who the fuck are you?

You're also like, we're watching you fight with Craig right now.

Because you can't get enough time with him.

You guys can't do your podcast.

Paige is like, I did you a favor.

Okay?

Now you have him all to yourself.

Literally.

He won Craig in the breakup.

He did.

Literally.

Jennifer Aiden also isn't returning for New Jersey Housewives.

Are we surprised?

So that's a cap on.

Is New Jersey Housewives even returning? Probably not for a while. Jennifer Aiden just got a job at Jersey Mike's.
Unrelated. I'll care when we know exactly what's happening with New Jersey Housewives.
Until then, I feel like this is a bunch of not news. Yeah.
I mean, Andy said a minute ago that it won't be for another year or longer. So do we really know if Jennifer Aiden won't? I mean, a lot can happen between now and when they actually get back on TV.
That's true. Depends or not if she follows Mike's way.
Honestly, the whole series needs to be recasted anyways. So sorry.
I saw that when we had Spencer and Heidi here, Andy did apologize to Heidi and Spencer. Andy Cohen apologizes for his past comments about Spencer Pratt and Heidi Montag.
During his radio show, Andy stated, I apologize. So what I will also say is that was mean.
That was 14 years ago, and what I really don't like about it is referring to her as trash. I don't like that at all, and I'm really sorry about that, so I apologize again, I guess.
Okay. I guess.
Wait, why is he saying I guess? I don't know. I think he's saying because he said, I already apologized a while ago apparently but spencer as everyone knows was just here the other day we had an episode with him and he was on the phone with tmz responding to this and he basically said that the apology won't suffice until andy decides to reach out privately he also proposed that andy post a video dancing to Montauk's number one song, I'll Do It.
And to finish what Andy had said, he said, by the way, there were things that we said and did on TV 14 years ago that we wouldn't do now. It was just a different universe, but I'm not trying to justify it.
So he's saying it was more of a like, TV now is different than back then when The Hills was airing. Honestly, like as much as it's not an excuse, it very much is just different.
Even us watching Vanderpump Recap for Biofiles Plus, that it's like, things that flew by in reality TV 10 years ago would never stand today, let alone the commentary. You know, can't wait 12 years from now with someone else whose house is burned down that we talked some shit about 12 years before.
That'll be like yeah sorry i apologize everything's cooled down between rachel and matt i saw that matt lost over 10 000 followers and rachel gained over like 80 000 followers so i know there's that whole social media support some other bachelor nation people have come out and talked about it so we have claire crawley who came out and talked about the breakup. She basically said in an Instagram story, she said, catching up on social news and SMH, shake my head, at some of this stuff.
Remembering that one time I specifically asked producers to please not allow one specific guy on my season because I knew for a fact he was not looking for a serious relationship whatsoever and I didn't want him to waste anyone's time so instead they made him the next bachelor so it's claire corolli saying that matt and rachel breaking up is proof that she was right that he i don't know clearly proof i think she's what am i missing something was matt james supposed to be on claire's season He was. Yes.
Matt James was originally casted for Claire Corale's season.

And then Claire, who knows of what that part is right, but they decided to make Matt James the Bachelor. Claire is now claiming that she had something to do with him not ending up on her season.
I don't know what this has anything to do with... I mean, he did date Rachel for four years.
I don't know if this speaks to like matt's sincerity about being in a relationship like he became the bachelor and has been in dating the same person for the past four years so in 2025 terms that's like an eternity you know you can't you can't criticize his commitment issues who else is criticizing matt we also have ari ari posted yeah ari what's ari saying so he posted um and it was an ask me anything and one of the questions was need to know your thoughts on Matt and Rachel and so he's like walking and he's sharing it uh and he basically said walk and talk he basically says that he doesn't feel like that he ever treated her with much respect and he brings up the after the final rose when Matt broke things off and he just felt like it wasn't fair. So he just basically is saying that he doesn't feel like Matt ever treated Rachel with much respect.
It's a heavy statement. That's what I was thinking.
Yeah, where would he be in a position? Like he doesn't think he's ever treated her with much respect? Over four years, ever? It was a very short... This is coming from a guy who like had a pretty infamous after the final rose himself literally just the most hated man in america after that like a moment called a jason mesnick and again like in defense to ari a lot of that was not ari's fault it was very much the producers producing the fuck out of the afr a la like you would think that ari might have a little bit more for Matt James and his AFR experience.
Certainly, Rachel, as we've stated before, I think was absolutely thrown under the bus and scapegoated for a lot of people. But Matt James is on the bottom of the people I assign blame to.
And I think him and Rachel were both thrown under the bus. It's just weird that Ari, of all people, is commenting on that particular moment when he has his own story.
But hey, pop off, Ari. All right.
Up next, we got the one and only Bob Harper himself to talk about his most recent exit from the Trader's Castle and all the shenanigans going on inside of that wacky and wild place. Let's get to Bob.
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Wow, Bob. Bob.
Hey, y'all. Hey, man.
You look stunning. Thanks for joining us.
Where are you calling from? That looks great.

My apartment. Look at his

outfit. Stunning.
Man.

I mean, I'm always going to serve it.

Oh, my God. Look at his jug of water.
He's

hydrated. I know.

I try to

hide that. Wow.
Spacious room, man.

Anyways, I didn't know we would get such a...

Now I want to turn this conversation

to, like, how to design your entire apartment in the best possible way come on over bob it's been so fun to watch you on traders obviously i i think i speak for all of us that we were sad to see you go i don't know how you feel but like when people get killed by traders like overnight it just feels like you just feel like like oh you're like wait yeah what's going i need to defend myself yes yes you're like you're just dead you know at least at a round table you're just like you know you get to you get to like give a fuck you and flip people off like like west was doing but were you shocked bob that you were murdered with that it come with great surprise or were you kind of like what, what the fuck? What were those thoughts going in your head when you woke up and realized that the traitors killed you? I had that moment where I was thinking, wait, why did I say what I said at the roundtable? Kind of like throwing that out on the table with no warning with everyone else. Because let me tell you, if I would not have gotten murdered that night, Rob would be gone the next one.
So I guess he was smart to do it. But I would have gotten Dolores and Ciara to not be voting for like when Dolores voted for Tom, I was like, this is not good.
I mean, Tom is not a traitor. He's just crazy.
It's just crazy. It's just weird.
You also got Boston Rob's plan word for word, like exactly what he did. Was that like infuriating watching this episode and knowing that like he's still there? Yeah.
I mean, the way that he kind of He had to come in because he wasn't picked to come into the house in episode one.

So he really had to like throw his dick around you know what i mean he had to be like i've got to show these people that i am the best player of any game and and it just made such perfect sense the way that he came so hard being like i'm 100% confident i'm'm like well you're a hundred percent confident because you're a fucking traitor i'm curious you know when we're watching it back obviously we're watching back you know an edited version we don't get to see anything and you know i'm watching it now and like wondering how you know as great of a player as boston rob is like how is he not being noticed because he's just, if for no other reason that he's just like so noticeable, like he is definitely walking around with the bright light on him. But was it as, you know, is that more editing, you know, now that we, you know, they have it or were people just not seeing it in real time as well? You know, a lot goes on when you're shooting and they've got to condense it down to an hour.

But I feel like when it comes to Rob, he has a way of bullying people. He has a way of kind of being the man that's in charge.

And then all of a sudden these minions kind of got behind him.

We're just like, yes, I'll do whatever you say.

You're the you're the one.

And like that was the one thing about Dylan, who I absolutely love. I, I love misguided, but he was really, I feel like he was really using Rob to do the dirty work too.
So, I mean, cause there's no way you didn't know that he was a trade or was not a traitor. I feel like Dylan knows Rob is a traitor and just decided not to vote for Rob just to like avoid any conflict with Rob.

And he's going to figure out the robin of it all later.

Yeah, it just seemed like Dylan's heart wasn't in that West vote, but it seemed more strategic.

And he was like almost feeling thinking two steps ahead.

God, if I would have been at that roundtable that night, though, I mean, Rob would have been sent home because I would have just been like,

Look at that round table that night though, I mean, Rob would have been sent home because I would have just been like, listen, Wes is a dick. He's saying all the things and he's, you know, just doing that thing that Wes loves to do.
But I would have gotten them around the fact that this is such a diversion and a distraction.

And it's all coming from Rob.

And, I mean, he would have gone.

But I was just like, Wes, shut up.

At that round table, I was like, shut up with all of your just like, you know, macho male shit.

He did say a lot of just like unnecessary weird comments. I'm coming for you ladies.
Like, Holy shit. That's fucking a game.
Yeah. Yeah.
He was like, I'm, I'm coming. I'm coming for the five of you.
And when Brittany was like, well, let's make it six. I thought that was a great line.
Yeah. Yeah.
It just, it became people voting out of, uh, just them not liking him. And meanwhile, is sitting there just like, you know, look what I did again.
It is crazy just because I feel like every roundtable Rob is so sure of the other person. It's always him and someone else.
And he's so sure of the other person and gets the other person voted out only for them to obviously still be a faithful. And it's like at some point, all these people got to be like, all right, wait a second.
Like, Rob, what's going on? But who are you closest with in the house? Dolores and Sierra. I mean, those were my girls.
I mean, from the jump, I didn't even know Sierra. I didn't know her from her show.
It was just she had a quality about her that I was just super drawn to. And the same, I knew Dolores outside the house, but we really got close to one another.
And I've said it before and I'll say it again. Dolores is that kind of friend that you call to help bury the body at night.
Because she will be there for you. What was the craziest Tom theory that you remember? Oh, it just, and I think Dolores had a great comment at the round table last time.
Just like, she was basically like, girl, say whatever you want because none of it's going to make sense anyway. I mean, he had it in for Chrishell because of the history that they had.
And it was just constantly him just going on about Chrishell. But I will say I enjoyed Sandoval.
There was that one part of the episode last week where he's hunched over and he's like eating dinner, like he's Nosferatu or something. I'm like, I'm like, I like i'm like baby take a breath with that down his theories made no sense they were all over the place at all time my favorite part of the episode was when uh it's the round table starts with tom giving a theory and then derrick is like all right well that was i'm sorry for we all had to listen to that bullshit, but can I actually get to like my theories? It was.
Yeah. That happened a lot.
When he started talking, it just got to be this kind of like eye roll around the round table of just like, oh, here she goes. Let's let her talk now for, you know, a few minutes.
But then you just got to interrupt Sandoval. Like you just have to.
That's, that's great. Thanks.
Thanks for sharing that story. Also, nothing, like, the couple episodes, I just want to acknowledge that, like, you have to that's that's great thanks thanks for sharing that story also nothing like the couple episodes i just want to acknowledge that like you know that scene you had when they were carrying the fucking mantles up and like you know that was a very vulnerable moment for you and like you talked about having a heart attack and obviously you know you look great but like as as we get older and we have health problems like it's obviouslyizing, I'm sure to at one point in your life, be able to do one thing, as you described, like, you would have been the person like, helping people carry up.
And then when your body kind of gives out on you, that can be a very humbling experience. And like, I think a lot of people connected with that story that you shared.
And I'm just wondering, like, what was you know, did you receive any like, well wishes from that? Or I don't know, what Or what was that like? Or did you hate having to be vulnerable in that moment? It was one of those moments where you can't help, or at least for me, I couldn't help but be vulnerable. I mean, I'm an open book.
And so when that mission was going on and it was kicking my ass and I'm seeing Dylan, you know, like a stallion running up and back and

rock. was going on and it was kicking my ass.
And I'm seeing Dylan, you know, like a, like a stallion running up and back and Robin too. So many people just like killing it.
And I was just like, holy crap. Like, you know, I'm turning 60 this year.
And after my heart attack, I, um, I changed completely the way that I work out. And all I've done for the past several years is just yoga.
But like one thing that the traders has done for me personally is that I'm more confident now getting back into the gym, doing doing workouts kind of that I used to do, but just like trusting my heart and my body again. So, you know, not to make this a very special episode, but like that's kind of what it was like for me.
And, you know, I feel great. But sometimes I get these people that are like, he looks so different.
I'm like, yeah, bitch, you saw me on television, you know, a million years ago. I mean, I'm not as young as I used to be.
So, you know, it's like I need everyone to just calm down on me. Well, you look great.
I think my favorite photos going around online are the old Boston Rob photos from Survivor. Because everyone's like, do you remember Boston Rob? And I'm like, no.
She was the heart Rob. I remember watching him and I love Boston Rob.
And I mean, I still do. I think that he's great.
And he sent me a really nice message right before the episode. He was just like, you know, you were just on to me, and I had to do it.
And I was like, yeah, I get it. Do you think, I know, we don't want to obviously spoil anything, and I don't even know what you know once you leave.
But I just, you know, I think we know everything. You know everything? I know everything he knows everything you know everything oh well what i want to ask you is like like i just don't see how rob gets out of this because every time he gets into a fight with someone right and then he convinces the table like oh you're all wrong this other person's the traitor and then they get up and go not a traitor like every time that happens you're like well wait it's got to be fucking rob but like is yeah i i will say never underestimate boston rob uh and i also will say and i've even made a point of saying this too i was like god i really thought i was going to be good at this game i've got an intuition i feel like i can figure it out and of course when i watch the show because i'm you know i'm a this show.
That's why I did it. It's like when you're at home, you have all the information.
So everything is obvious in the way that it's edited. I am not kidding you.
When you're in that house, it is so difficult. You are grasping at straws.
You are trying to figure out like Carolyn's eating cereal with a fork. What does that mean? She was.
I asked i asked nick i said was she eating honey nut cheerios with a fork that was crazy with a fork she was eating cereal with a fork and so of course because you know if you've seen carolyn like she is fit she's tall she's tall she was just in my house the other night she's tall and you know got that great body and i'm like well of course she eats cereal um with a fork because it lowers the calories in what you're eating yeah that's dairy for sure yeah love chris shell a friend of show uh her vibes seem to be way off every time she talks about having a feeling or an inkling or energy about someone it's always someone who's definitely not a traitor i think that goes to, of you just being like, we're grasping at straws. You are just like looking at someone's shift in energy and being like, it's gotta be because they're a trader.
Yeah. I mean, it becomes, it becomes like that.
I mean, I love Chrishell. Like she is, not only is she just, she's gorgeous on the, uh, the outside and the inside.
I mean, She is so great. We spent a lot of time like driving together and, you know,

she. Not only is she just, she's gorgeous on the outside and the inside.
I mean, she is so great. We spent a lot of time like driving together and, you know, she was always kind of, you know, having that very California and I'm from California, that California tree hugger moment of just like, you know, your energy just feels a little different and, and looking at the stars or whatever the case may be.
And I'm like, yeah, I'm a little bit more pragmatic than that.

What city you climb from, Bob?

I live in Manhattan.

Oh, God.

Damn.

What a beautiful place you have there.

That was over for tea.

Come on over next time y'all are in town.

Any more questions for Bob?

What do you think about the whole Danielle, Carolyn of it all? Yes, thank you. Their beef.
The traders fighting amongst the traders. I will say now that I'm not on it and I am a viewer, I am riveted by it.
It's like I cannot wait for Thursday night because I need to see what goes on in that turret. And Carolyn is the kind of person, once you cross her, there's no going back.
And so, I mean, I think Danielle is going to have to do a lot of heavy lifting, but I don't think, I think it's going to fall upon deaf ears. It's like Carolyn is, she's a piece of, that one.
And you think that she is, she's not aware of what's going on. What I've learned, she's aware of everything.
Well, I can't wait. I cannot wait.
It's incredible. It's been great.
And I'm just like, Danielle, I'm just't really get her master plan. It's like it's too many steps.

You know, it's just like she's trying to get rid of Carolyn so that she can get rid of Rob.

It's all about getting rid of Rob, according to her.

But it's just like, why are you backstabbing your only potential ally so that you can get a different traitor in and then trying to convince them to go after Rob?

That's like, that's a lot of moving pieces. And she's not really doing anything other than pissing off Carolyn.
Yeah, and I think that maybe, and I don't know, I don't know this, but maybe she's just trying to throw so much heat everywhere else that it gets off of her. Because especially when we played that one mission with all the riddles, I mean,

she was so good at it. And she just kept going up and like giving her shield to someone else.

And I'm sitting there going, girl, what are you doing right now? And that was the first time I

started thinking, oh, something might be up with Danielle. But I trusted her so much.
I could not

believe that she was a traitor. Yeah, I am kind of shocked more people after that mission weren't like looking at Danielle.
Correct. I know, but there was just so much heat everywhere else in the house.
And then all of a sudden, Wes decided to do his Wes thing. I think Wes dropped the ball with that.
He was just being way too aggressive for no reason.

He could have just like calmed down

a little bit and just that's how Rob

could have gotten out. Wes comes from the

challenge. Yeah.
And like I'm

not a big challenge fan but it's like

it's just a lot of physical competitions and stuff

like that. Yeah.
I've never seen

I didn't know Wes. I didn't know him

at all. Like when I first saw him in

the cage I thought that he was like Fergus's

brother or something. Like they looked so much

alike. Yeah it sounds like he did a lot of winning on the challenge and it's been around for a while.
He said he was the most winningest person at the table. What does that have to do with? He likes to tell us that.
And like this, I guess. Yeah.
Yeah. But what does that have to do with traitors and how that, how it's a completely different game and their strategy and just like pissing off half the room challenge kind of is a bit strategy where because people are voted out so it's like you have to kind of make alliances and have people on your team and hope that they're voting the same way that you are like survivors more of a quiet game challenge is like you've got an hour to go and talk to everybody and do things so it's like he's still playing in the challenge where i'm like he should have taken a tip from the survivors and been like, let's lay low a little bit.
But he's doing like, I'm in your face. I'm aggressive.
I will win. And if you go with me, then you will win too kind of thing.
And it's like, it didn't work for this game. I will say, I don't know if anyone's told you this, but, uh, you know, the, the round table is such an intense part of the castle, but the way that the intensity elevated, I remember the first time we were sitting in the round table, it was all quiet.
And then all of a sudden they piped in that hunger game song, you know, the, are you, are you coming for the, uh, the tree or whatever, whatever that song is like, it was one of those moments. Like the first time we heard that at the roundtable, I was like, what the fuck have I gotten myself into? It only created more drama, and that happened all the time.
We thought we'd get used to it, and it was just so nerve-wracking. That's crazy that they pumped that music in to add to the intensity, because usually that's fascinating.
They are producing. That's all.
They are producing. That is T-Bob.
Thank you for that. Are you wearing cowboy boots? I am, yes.
Oh. I'm from Tennessee.
We kind of call those shit kickers, right? Oh, yeah. Are they not pointy? Oh, yeah.
They're square-toed. You look like a badass in those.
Oh. What part of Tennessee, Bob? I grew up on a farm an hour north of Nashville called Adams, Tennessee.
Okay. It was a little, little bitty town.
I grew up on a gravel road that didn't have a name on it. Love.
I love that. And look at you now.
Beautiful. Yeah, literally.
In his Manhattan penthouse. Yeah, that's literally a dream Manhattan house.
100%. Living our dream, Bob.
Thank you so much for your time. Really enjoyed watching you this season.
Wishing you nothing but success in the future. And thank you so much for taking the time.
Thanks for having me. It was really nice talking to y'all.
Likewise. Bye-bye, Bob.
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Well, thank you, Bob, for that insight into the Trader's Castle. My biggest takeaway is, damn, Bob's living large.
Architectural Digest. Is that? His apartment looked like it was.
Truly. It was stunning.
That's a Manhattan apartment? A Manhattan penthouse. You ever seen the movie Big? Yes.
Many times, yes. You have? She kissed a young boy.
That was not my biggest takeaway from that movie. My takeaway was when he bought that apartment in the city and he could ride through his New York apartment.
Bob's got some space. Yeah.
Bob's riding bikes. Yeah.
Yeah. Anyways, crushing life.
Before we get to Bachelor, I have some summer house news. What's going on? Well, Amanda Batula thinks that Craig Conover is being a little ridiculous about the Paige

DeSorbo breakup.

How so?

Her and Kyle did an interview with Us Weekly, and they're talking about Summer House and

whatnot.

And she says that Craig's latest moves after the breakups have left her unimpressed.

She says, I think it's a little ridiculous.

I think Craig likes the sympathy from everyone.

And ultimately, I think that he should have what he should have done was clear up the cheating rumors in some regards because she's really getting a lot of hate for that. What is Craig doing? All that Craig did, from what I know, is posting that story saying, like, I was unexpectedly broken up with and people find that to be shady.
I feel like she got not allowed to be like, yeah, I was a bit caught off off guard i was in love one day and the next day i have a broken heart yeah or like my best friend i can no longer call and reach out to you to talk about day-to-day issues and it's a weird adjustment it's just like wait like guy breaks up with girl on an airplane and the whole world needs every fucking detail and so we can crucify the man but girl breaks up with guy and he needs to shut the fuck up is not to like have any theories and rumors spread about like why that's a good point like well that's the thing she did go on her podcast she gave her side of the story she broke up huge hit podcast platform of platform weekly podcast where i'm sure every week she is making some kind of comment in reference to her relationship status right and what's going on in her life which indirectly involves Craig a hundred percent and I think even then from the story he never said anything cruel and he did say that like to be respectful of page that they're both going through this separately and just to be kind so it's like he did state that he didn't say like oh I don't know I know for a fact she on me. But at the same time, like that's none of our business.
They don't have to speak on it if they don't want to. Nothing about Craig's comments suggested in like anything other than like she broke my heart.
A hundred percent. I also think it's like Paige saying Austin, you know, doesn't need to comment on the relationship.
It's also like, OK, Amanda, like when was the last time you and Craig had a conversation? You know, I feel like it kind of just goes both ways of the people on the relationship. It's also like, okay, Amanda, when was the last time you and Craig had a conversation?

I feel like it kind of just goes both ways

of the people on the outside,

obviously this is a huge story.

This is like anyone who talks about it,

it's getting picked up.

So I feel like friends of these people are.

And to fence the page about that though,

like nothing irritates me more

than people telling me about me

and what I'm doing in my life.

No, 100%, but don't you feel like Craig could feel the same way about amanda being like amanda you don't know like what i'm going through and so for you to say that like you're unimpressed with my how i'm handling this and you think i love all this sympathy it's like come on we haven't talked in i don't know how long you know you don't think he could say the same well sure i mean i'm not agreeing with everything amanda said i'm just pointing out that amanda is just like critiquing craig's actions versus austin is spreading rumors austin's going out there i i'm watch what happens live and been like those rumors aren't rumors she's out she's like moved on yeah 100 what austin did is way worse than but i just think it is like people commenting to comment when like neither of these people were in this relationship. And I don't know the last.
I mean, do we know the last time Amanda saw Craig talk to Craig, like knows what's going on? You also don't have to throw shade at the ex. Like you can support your friend without having to throw the shade the other way.
Because I'm like, Craig's not doing anything to you. Craig's not going out saying that Paige did X, Y, Z.
Paige isn't going around saying Craig did X, did XYZ. So I'm like, why are we commenting on either? The accusation that Craig is milking the sympathy, it's like, give me a fucking break.
Again, the person on the receiving end of the breakup, A, is entitled to have a broken heart, and B, Craig ain't the first person to be milking sympathy in the. So, like, what Craig has done in this department is a fraction of what other people have done to milk their sympathy when it comes to their broken heart.
So, like, please. I just got two words for you.
Father God. Father God.
Start of Mount James breakup post. Yes.
All right. Well, Bachelor episode two is out.
I'm actually enjoying this season of Bachelor, which is a rare statement for me to say. I just want to say you cannot make me hate Zoe.
Oh, I don't know about that because I disagree. Not my cup of tea.
Not my, yeah. Yeah, I feel like the girl who's always like, I'm not here to make friends is like, come on, babe, playbook.
I'll say this much about zoe is someone who last week i thought might be someone who wins she ain't winning she's definitely not i respect the hustle one caveat to this is that like it's only week two and week two they'll take it from wherever they get it and that is the drama so like early on like i don't know zoe is just like maybe she's like i, like, I don't know, Zoe is just like, maybe she's like, I'm just like, I don't know. To be clear, you guys can have your opinions, but like she is 100% right.
Like all she is doing nothing wrong. No, I don't think the like taking him on the group date is wrong.
I think that's definitely the opportunity to get, you have like during group dates. That's the only way you get alone time with him is if you like pull them.
I 100% like she was do what you want in that whole scenario. I think the like then taking him from like stealing him from Juliana and Juliana and then stealing him again from Ali Jo to like finish finish your thoughts it was like okay girl like what

what if i told you that everyone that early on is interrupting everyone like everyone gets interrupted so like when someone's talking to someone nothing happens without a little bit of coordination from the friends who want you to buy a boat all the producers so no one no like At no time is the bachelor or bachelorette just sitting there waiting for people to come that's never happening they are never alone so they are given access to like the people so like they are always interrupting someone every time you are sometimes shown those interruptions and the why some people get mad and some people don't is because they carefully make sure that certain people interrupt certain people because they know it will trigger certain people. And then with Zoe hanging around, wanting to finish that conversation, it is more likely that before she went back to sit with the rest of the gals, they were like, well, it seemed like you didn't get to finish your conversation.
Would you like more time with him? We'll just wait here for a few minutes. I know, but I just hate that argument because I feel like Zoe could have been like, you know, honestly, I feel like I'm good.
I'll see him tomorrow. But she wasn't good.
She's got three minutes with the guy and she wanted three minutes and 30 seconds. I don't know.
From what the women said, they were like that they've all been very respectful about giving time. Fuck respect.
How much time do they actually get? I don't know. It depends.
How long is one of those dates it might be three minutes it might be 20 minutes but like the date in general like when they win after like a challenge like how long are you at a different location for the dinner party after a group date yeah like oh that's all night is that all night so like maybe like five six hours yeah so like okay so there's a way for six or eight girls to be respectful of the time that they're getting respect i am not here to get you time with someone that like especially early on if you're making a human connection and keep in mind the premise of the show is they're all like yeah after like eight weeks you can get engaged it's like yeah sure no problem and i'm supposed to what like do this for a fucking with a fucking stranger like the idea like anyone there who is there to be polite for the rest of the girlies is not there for grant zoe is the only one so far making it very clear why she's there and she's there for granted everyone else there is there to make friends they're there for the followers they're to like be there for the clout i don't know i'm disagreeing with that fully i think it's the people who are just like more people pleasers and less of like, yeah, competitive, a little bit more aggressive, a little bit more.

I'll step on your toes.

Like can't get to know someone by sharing them.

Sharing them with like 25 people.

Sure.

But I think there is a way to be like.

But like no one.

That's what I'm saying.

If you show up to a group date and your plan is to sit there and wait for your chance, you won't get a chance. They will end the night.
You have to try to go talk to your person. You have to go out of your way to make time.
However you do that, you can figure it out. You can be like Zoe and a little more aggressive, or you can be a little bit more like, hey, I'd love to, can I go and talk to Grant? I'd love some time.
Or maybe I wrote something nice for him. I want to do something.
But if you're just going to sit there and wait for the grant to pull you. Who was sitting there? Allie Jo was like, I've been sitting here all night and I haven't had a chance to talk to him.
I'm like, well, that's your problem. But then she tried to talk to him and was interrupted.
And then when, this is the part that got me is when she tried to confront Zoe after she was quiet. I was like, girl, you were saying that with your chest a second ago interrupting me and now you now you're sitting there being quiet.
No, she had nothing to say. Well, Ali Jo did come at her hard with like, you're that insecure.
Like you have nothing to say. You're that insecure.
I loved her. You need that much attention.
I love her. No response.
And all Zoe was here to say is like, listen, you can't offend me by interrupting me. I'm going to do me.
You do you. I'm not going to critique how you do it.
Don't critique mine. And then Allie Jo started throwing like insults and started talking about how insecure she was and all this bullshit.
And Zoe's response was like, you know, sticks and stones. Like, I'm just going to sit here quietly and be the like demure queen that I am.
Demure? I'm not going to fight back. Demure? Nothing about that girl is demure.
Yeah, whatever. She's confident.
I give her that, confident I give her that But I could never Fine But like I love I thought it was great What did you think Of Christina straddling him In front of all the other girls And you're tonguing him down Carolina I'm pretty sure They looped that a little bit I would love to know From Grant Was she making out With you that long I kind of feel like They looped it a little bit But I mean it was the most intense make out I've probably ever seen on TV. The best is like them being like, God, like when we kissed, it was like, or like her saying, when we kissed, it was like nobody else was around.
It was like, it didn't look like you looked around. Yeah, we could tell.
You walked up through a crowd and then said, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. The women seem more triggered by Zoe Than Well different group of women

Whatever

Well Carolina seemed more receptive

To what the girls had to say

At the dinner party

Versus Zoe was like

I don't care what you have to say

I'm doing what I'm doing

And also the energy shift

Is so different

Where I was like

I feel like for the first group

With Zoe

It was more like

Just like anger

Feeling like disrespected

Where the second group

Like the energy just dropped After that Their like after party Was just OK. And I love how Grant walks in and he's like, why is everyone upset? Everyone seems low vibe.
Because you were having sex in front of us. Yeah, because we're day three and we all feel like we lost.
We saw your dick hard grinding on Carolina. Well, she was grinding on him.
To be fair. That's fine.
OK. She said I couldn't go go anywhere she was straddling me so I just had to do you know but Carolina seemed her actions seemed way more antagonistic than than Zoe's again Zoe's this one like hey you asked how long are they there these women are there for hours and Zoe was the only one who said I'm gonna pull you I don't need a slam dunk competition yeah that part I definitely respect being like fuck this fucking slam dunk i let's go talk none of us are gonna make these dunks anyway well they lower the hoop but yeah i'm just saying like she just she took the initiative she didn't commit any crime she didn't make out with someone in front of her she didn't rub it in what did you think of the um one-on-one date with alex i can't believe they went to the bev.
When I saw that, I was like, are you kidding me? That was low budget. Are you kidding me? That's the worst mall in LA.
Yeah. I loved it.
It's one of my dreams. I mean, the type of...
I mean, you've heard me talk just a few weeks ago. Take her to Century City.
Locked in a grocery store all night long. So it was giving locked in a place where you have free reign.
have free reign in a place you're not supposed to have free reign.

That's giving fun.

That's fine.

I was more impressed with her this date

than I was with her night one.

Okay, same.

Same, she opened up.

Yeah.

I thought she was so cute.

She was really, I mean, she is goofy.

Love that for her.

But she was all goofy night one.

And I felt like she was a little more normal and down to earth and chill. Loved the tats.
I loved her outfit. Grant serenading her.
Coming up with a song on the spot. I just heard that right now.
You hated it? President of the Grant Ellis Music Club, for sure. Mary was in the club when that was playing.
Shut up. It's a good song we've listened to it i like it he can beatbox he is very musically talented we're getting close to like reel it in i don't care if you're john mayer or grant ellis you can't just like sing in public whenever the fuck and not make it weird yeah he he did it a lot this episode it It was like he beatboxed over the intercom at the mall on the piano with Alex.

He did it weird. Yeah.
He did it a lot this episode. It was like he beatboxed over the intercom at the mall,

on the piano with Alex.

He did it obviously with Mario.

I'm going to need a week off.

But again, there's no denying his musical talent.

And I truly hope that his song goes number one.

Yeah.

You just don't want him to be like guy who brings out a guitar at a party.

Yes.

Number two.

And we're getting close to anyone need to be boxed. And I don't think that's Grant's fault.
I think those producers love a party trick. Who are your top runners? Top runners? Front runners.
Front runners. Thank you.
Well, you were half right about Allie Jo. She's not really the villain, but she's certainly part of the drama.
Well, we'll see. Listen, Latia, she's definitely top two.
She won already. I think she's either...
I think he's so torn between Latia

and Juliana. Yeah, I think we already

know his final two. That's the one-on-one, right?

No, no, Alex is one-on-one.

Oh, I think... Juliana's the

hand massage.

He was rubbing them hands.

Listen, he was like, you know what,

baby, let me take care of you.

She was giggling, too. She's fantasy sweet.

She's going home week three. No, I think her and Latia are at the end.
I mean, obviously. I don't think Alex is at the end.
I think she's like maybe three or four, but like I don't think, I think his final two are Julianna and Latia. Chloe also might be.
Everyone has your own, have your own opinions. I mean, that little basketball.
So you take your two. Since we teased Grant a little bit for his music singing, I do want to acknowledge that I thought he handled that conversation with Latia with like no notes, like A plus.
Yeah. Because it's a tough conversation.
Like, you know, credit to Latia for like expressing herself. And like, you know, I mean, Grant, the night one, for those who don't remember, like he was like, you're so beautiful.
Like, you must never hear no. He's just giving a line.
He he's trying to sweet talk her he's not trying to understand her like childhood trauma that triggered her she mentioned like she's heard no she's had tough breakups she's had heartbreak she's she used that as a conversation as a launching pad to start opening up to grant about her personal story and he did not get defensive he listened he responded he didn't make him. Like, there has been several other bachelors in recent years that have, like, epically failed those types of conversations.
And I think we need to give Grant some credit because he was as perfect as a response to a situation. I remember him owning up to it.
And he was like, I just said that because, like, I instantly saw that you were, like, pretty. And, like, I just, I knew that you were going to be a temptation is what I took from it.
Yeah, but it's not what I meant and I'm sorry for saying it that way and let's move on Who was the bachelor who got COVID? It was Zach Zach. Who was he lecturing? I forgot.
He started yelling Oh yeah. Zach talking about how serious this is for him.
That's what I'm saying. I think a lot of bachelors in this situation would take Latia saying something that ran as this like, well, if you think I'm not here for the right reasons, because it's just like very easy to get defensive when someone comes to you and says, hey, you said something that kind of bothered me and hurt my feelings.
And he didn't express any discomfort or any defensiveness. It was, I don't think we, I don't think we highlight that shit like that enough.
I thought, I thought he handled it fucking perfect. It was truly top notch.
It was, Zach was lecturing Greer because Greer was comparing meeting like a sales quota. Exactly.
So like there's this girl just trying to connect with this stranger And he's like It's not like fucking work

Jesus Christ

So his first kiss

Alicia went home

Does that mean you're a bad kisser?

I was genuinely surprised by that

Yeah they seemed to really hit it off

Right from like night one

Was that not his first impression?

That's what you call good editing

No no Alex was the first impression

I wasn't surprised by Rebecca

Going home after that conversation

Where he was like

You know what I'm gonna pull Rebecca To find out why the energy in here is weird and then she was like robotically speaking to him she was huh yeah i noticed that i did i was just like maybe she that's her cadence but it could have been editing it was tough to follow it was like it felt like she was trying to get like kind of deep and he was like i just wanted to like vibe check like everyone good in here like what's going on and her defense did i fuck up or she was trying to get like kind of deep. And he was like, I just wanted to like vibe check.
Like, is everyone good in here? Like what's going on? And her defense. Did I fuck up? She was probably also like, I don't want to be the one saying this, but you're making me say this.
So I'm speaking robotically as I'm talking. The age old like, hey, is everything good in the house? And being the person to like give the tea is the one to go home because they're starting drama.
Yeah, it's a tough situation to be put in. Yeah, she's like, how do I answer this without shaming carolina and like making you feel like you're an idiot and she's like um uh yeah like i'm here for you and also i think that he was like you know what there's only room for one musical talent in this relationship yeah it can't be both of us well credit to latia too who is just like i can't sing i can't dance and i don't know how to public speak and i honestly thought she had the best performance because she wasn't trying to perform yeah where then what was what was her name rebecca rebecca she's like i can sing and you could tell when she was singing she was very nervous yeah because like you could tell like she was like this is my moment to be good this is my moment to shine i really need to deliver and she like psyched like psyched herself out.
Or like Latia was just like, I'm fucking like, the fuck? She was just like, I'm gonna talk through this. Yeah.
Yeah. It was like, she was just there having fun versus.
I'm gonna look at you with my piercing eyes. And then that'll be did.
Is this correct? Did I see Lisa Vanderpump in the preview for next week? Yes. They go to Vanderpump dogs.
It looks like. A cross promotion with Hulu and Vanderpump Villa.
It's Rob Mills working overtime. And it says Hannah Burner? Sucks for us though.
Hannah Burner? Yeah, Hannah Burner was also in the preview. Let's go.
Good for Hannah. I'm like, okay.
Yeah, Mario, Hannah Burner, Lisa Vanderpump, they really upped their guests. They lowered their budget the dates, and they upped their budget for the guests.
They said, go to the fence. Just kidding.
I'm just kidding. No disrespect.
No, it's definitely better celebrities than who have been there in the past. Well, last season was a wicked sponsorship the whole season.
Yeah. Well, a lot of the times when they have their one-on-one dates, I do have to Google who's singing in the background.
And no disrespect to... Is it Allie Brewer? Ashley Brewer.
Ashley Brewer. Seems like she's really great at her job, but I feel like those are moments to like bring in an alumni, which they've done before.
But hey. I was surprised by Ella going home after she gave him that note.
Why? It wasn't. It wasn't a good note.
I don't know. She had a thing.
On an island alone.

I'll tell you what.

Week two, I had a lot of girls give me some weird shit.

And I had one girl do a sketch comedy thing in front of me.

I just sat there and watched.

And someone reenacted a cheer.

It's a lot of weird shit that they're just grasping at straws.

You don't know any of these people.

And you're just like, great.

Nick told me he purposefully was a bad kisser to someone that he just stuck his tongue in and didn't

do anything.

Not the dead fish in the mouth.

One time one of the producers

was like, hey, I got a favor. I'm like, what?

They were trying to create something.

I'll just leave it at that.

You said I'll play it, but only my way.

No, they're just like, can you

just for this one person, I wasn't really interested to this person person i didn't care but like can you be a bad kisser oh i said sure no problem all right then and i just remembered what get bad kissing meant to me which is like a dead fish you know so i just opened up my mouth and just uh and then she's like we got done kissing and she looked at me and she gave me that. What the fuck was that? And I was like, all right, well, I'll see you later.
What's dirtier, you doing that or them putting all the tall girls on one basketball team and all the short girls on another basketball team? That was crazy. Although when we played basketball on Andy Dorfin's season, they did that to us and we fucking crushed them.
Were you short? Well, you're scrappy not short but they like bachelor nation is very tall six two my height is average for that world and they had like all the six two and six five guys and i had like i was the tallest person on my team and we had a bunch of like shorter guys but we had the one actual basketball player so he won he won and you guys were there to support. And I kind of played unofficial coach.
And I said, guys, they're not going to be calling fouls. Foul early, foul hard, and foul often.
Yeah. And Allie Jo heard you.
Yeah. Allie Jo did.
And so we just beat the shit out of the other team and let Brian make a bunch of buckets. Nice.
And we crushed him. Who was it that kept traveling this episode? All of them.
She just ran with the ball. Yeah, they were like, all right, three travels.
It was great. I was like, you know what? The WNBA is not going on right now.
I miss this. Should we get to Salt Lake City? Let's do it.
Yes. I just want to say I love you, Mary.
Me too. Yeah.
All the discourse, people questioning her intentions and yada, yada, yada.

It's just like, well, and it's really not your place.

But you cannot deny Mary's love for her child.

And I think being a new parent, we do our best to give River the best life.

And I think it's incredibly vulnerable and brave of Mary to acknowledge that there was a lot going on that she didn't know, and she felt responsible for that. And she's not some absentee parent.
She's not some disconnected parent who just decides to all of a sudden give a shit about her son because she has a bunch of other things going on. She clearly is involved in her child's life.
And despite that, still this happened. And the scariness around that happening is a very difficult situation.
And I think she is, you know, I think more than anything, what she brought awareness to is the willingness to like, sit down with your child, even if you feel that embarrassment, even if you feel like it's difficult and like, you know, connect in ways that you realize maybe you weren't connecting with your kid to save your kid's life. Because I think a lot of times if parents fuck up with their kids, they don't know how to handle it.
So they don't do anything other than like clam up and like hope that things work themselves out. And Mary didn't do that.
And I think it's a very brave thing for her to do. And I think we should send her all our love because yeah, that was just a touching moment in that episode.

Yeah I think Whitney sharing her feedback as well

and Andy adding the context of they

have never really been friends before this season

and her just being like you sharing your experience

has let my kids understand my father.

Yeah.

It's actually helping people.

So I did shed a tear when Whitney

like because you could tell during

the entire conversation when Whitney was

silent she was like really really trying hard to keep it together and when when she just broke that was like it was a yeah it was like really really genuine I really want to be over Meredith and Angie fighting I mean I think even Andy was like what are we even doing here is this so fucking pointless he called it a huge waste of time and Meredith was like she took her personal yeah she was like excuse me to you but it's like it's tired i love but it is a huge waste of time and Meredith was like, oh, it was awful. She took it personal.

Yeah,

she was like,

excuse me to you,

but it's like,

it's tired.

I love her.

But it is a huge waste of time

at this point.

It's like,

and Meredith wants to beat it down.

She wants them to like,

play all the clips

and give all the proof

and like be,

and she,

it's just like,

clearly Monica was like,

telling Angie one thing,

telling someone something else,

telling Angie a different thing,

telling,

you know, it's like, wait, I mean, it's just crazy.. Even with like Angie's husband in the podcast thing where she was just like, I have it on my phone.
They're like, well, we have it right here. And it's just completely different than what's on your phone.
Yes. This person is literally leading Angie's husband, Sean, to answer a question and putting words in his mouth that the answer is given to him.
So it's like, he didn't do anything wrong.

He's just answering a question

based off of how it was presented.

But like,

he's not trying to call you

any type of name

or, you know,

say that you're doing whatever

with your son.

Like, that's not,

that wasn't the point.

Yeah, when Meredith feels wrong,

there is no limit

to what she is willing to do

to like,

make sure that people agree with her.

Right.

Storm out of the reunion.

Yeah.

I did not come for this.

But her ability to navigate

I'll see you next time. to do to like make sure that people agree with her right storm up storm out of the reunion yeah i did not come for this but her ability to navigate people coming for her it's incredible and her willingness to like discount everyone else's feelings because it's not valid to her it's it's real something it's really something i am very much team angie but i will say if i was in meredith's position where someone was telling me we're gonna play it i would also be like Play the clip! You're telling me, you're not going to play it.
I loved how Meredith handled that, because that's the only way to protect yourself in that environment, is to know your worth. Meredith's like fire me or don't fire me, I'm not fucking saying one more thing unless I get this, this, and that.
She got some version of her way. I was like, the only thing that didn't land with her was when she was trying to call out the list of names that she's been called on the show.
And they were like, Meredith, you've said some pretties. And those are the ones I can remember.
And then just play the clip of her being like, you're vile. I love her.
I was reading people to fill. Meredith Mark's brain amazes her.
Anytime we make lists of anything, I want it to end with, and those are what we can remember. Yeah.
And those are what I can remember. The funniest thing is her list was like, a lot of those weren't actually things she was called.
It was things that she took from someone saying something. Yes.
Like she took someone saying, oh, I heard you puking as you call me bulimic. So it's like, okay, well.
No you that also when there when andy was like so and so wants to know if you seth have a side chick in ohio and the whole time erica's like wait what was the question she's like nodding like yeah yeah yeah wait what his answer to that too where he was like uh what did he say as long as marriage is above average over 51% of the time highly recommends commuting because he was like, what did he say? As long as marriage is above average, over 51% of the time, highly recommends commuting because he feels like you're going on your first date every weekend and his hand is a side chick. I was like, there's a lot of answers that were going on here where I'm just like, why don't you just say no? I don't have a side chick and I love my wife very much.
Seth is going to goof. If there's one thing about Seth Marks, he's going to goof.
Which honestly is exhausting. Yeah, it doesn't land exhausting Yeah it doesn't land As long as our marriage is at 51% Who's your favorite husband? Todd Todd's a no bullshit I like a no bullshit man Well, I like Sean.
I don't know enough about him. I like the way he has handled himself throughout this whole situation with being called gay.
He's never like, how dare you say that to me? He's always like, you can say that to me. I just don't want it to seem like I would do that to Angie or Elektra.
Exactly. And you could tell he really, really loves her

and he really loves his family.

Also, it is weird when kids,

all these women talk about these rumors

and they spread the rumors,

but yeah, it's pretty fucked up

when you're spreading rumors

that eventually make their way back

to your kid's school and shit like that.

And some of them only seem to care about it

when it's a rumor coming at them. Also, hot take, least favorite husband, John.
Me too. I don't like John Barlow.
Yeah, he was telling Todd to watch his tone and I was like... He's just as petty as his wife.
Thank you. Also, John never talks until Lisa takes his muzzle off.
He's a really supportive husband. I'll give you that.
love John He is supporting his wife He is a Yes he is a diehard Lisa Like Absolutely And you're right That deserves credit The only time I've ever Enjoyed him Was when he was Parallel parking Same And that was really funny He also looks like If John Waters Was straight Which is funny I did not appreciate His response to Whitney Apologizing to him He was like Okay sure, sure, I guess. It's like, she just apologized to you.
She was like, I didn't get a chance to apologize to you yet. That's because after the commercial break, Lisa turned around and said, good boy.
Also, Lisa, Meredith, and Heather on the couch together drove me crazy. Anytime one person said anything about one of them, all three of them started yapping at the same time yelling at one person and i was just like shut your mouths each one of you can answer your own question like you don't all need to be like don't talk about that's what i remember about last reunion with monica was that it was so chaotic and not one person could speak that it was so hard to watch yeah sarah am i wrong like correct me if i'm wrong but i remember remember the split screens and reunions becoming a thing when Salt Lake City became bigger.
They always had the little boxes of faces, but split screens came about because they were always interrupting each other. I also really loved this episode when Todd was speaking to Heather and he was just complimenting her.
Yeah. And it really made realize like both what i love about heather and

why i'm always frustrated with heather my favorite salt lake city season will be the season if it

ever happens where heather is top fucking dog where she sits on her throne of like you know

she stabs lisa barlow in the back she stabs meredith in the back she's just like i'm the

you know jen shaw fuck you she takes no prisoners and she figures out a way to like be the queen of

Thank you. back she stabs Meredith in the back she's just like I'm the you know Jen Shaw fuck you she takes no prisoners and she figures out a way to like be the queen of Salt Lake City and she starts like being I think she was born to be like a leader I think she was born to be a star but she doesn't she doesn't believe it in herself she doesn't think she can be the leader of a group and that's why she's always following the likes of a Jen Shaw and a Lisa Barlow.
And I think if Heather just believed in herself, she would be a million times less insufferable when she's ever insufferable. And she's only insufferable when she's just like taking fucking orders from people who are less than her.
Period. I think you read right into her.
Well, what did you think of like the, getting into the whole like emotional cheating of Todd todd and heather being like well that's not what you said on the boat and like her trying to like poke holes in the story the flashback supported what she said supported which one brawlin brawlin yeah yeah like she never said anything about like it was just kind of giving like brawlin trying to have a storyline and then thought she could like use this storyline and then the other women were like oh shit emotionally cheating and then they fucking ran with this like rumor and then brawin was like whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa you know i did think it was weird that todd hadn't seen it i'm just kind of like if you're because they did say that they're watching the episodes together and looking back at their relationship to kind of see what's working what's not working but i'm like i think it's weird that y'all skipped over that um episode specifically and that and that's coming from a bronwyn diehard but i was like and when andy was like so gwen is the one who caught you and he kind of looked like stunned and bronwyn was like yes like it kind of was like he's like i don't remember and then she turned back and said you're okay like you're okay and it was like comforting him but like the whole thing played out very strange i i feel like brawn like yeah i just i i think she was like trying to like you know open up like that's the problem like these women are asked and expected to confess like right to to share secrets because it's like if they don't share it, someone else is going to dig tea up on them. And I think Bron was kind of trying to control the narrative of this like tea and give her a little bit of like character arc.
And I think these women weren't here to play. And we got the meetings behind the five diamond ring promises that he gave her after the alleged affair.
Well, he threw in what they meant. So, and one of them was fidelity.
It's support, love, fidelity, transparency, and taking care of Gwen was the five promises that he made to her after said event happened that he didn't say at their wedding. When you say fidelity, it's like, I know what you mean, but like infidelity is the word we always use.
And it's like not that different than fidelity. I feel like we need a different word for like faithful.
Loyalty. Yeah.
Yeah. It's like, wait, did you say infidelity? Like, huh? And I promise to be unfaithful.
I feel like it was clear, though, like after their conversation what actually happened. It was that he was, it was a coworker that became more of like an emotional, like affair if we use that word.
But nothing actually happened. It made her feel uncomfortable.
Whatever was said in the text. But it doesn't mean that he was like, oh, baby, I'll see you tonight.
Like, it's not as I don't think it says insidious. I just I also just I mean, obviously, I'm glad it came from Bronwyn and not one of the other women like trying to bring stuff up.
I mean, clearly this was I don't know how many years ago, didn't they say? But like, clearly, they're good. Like, I don't think this is something that they're still working through.
But it's like, there is part of me that's like, what was the point in Bronwyn bringing this up? It's like, for what, like, Gwen to watch it back and like, kind of relive that or for them to have to rewatch it and relive it or for just like the world to know that like they are just like any other couple and they have struggled and they've had their ups and their downs like I wonder what her motive was for sharing this with all these women I'm still kind of standing by my theory that I'm like and Bronwyn did say it in the last reunion but it's like this this fight this need to be like best friends with Lisa and have Lisa see you and understand you. Like it felt like because the only person she was really upset about not giving the proper reaction was Lisa.
So it kind of feels like maybe even then like this was kind of like a Hail Mary in the sense of like, how can I get on your level? I want you to see me as a human. I'm not just married to this rich, older man and have no depths or have no problems.
So I think she was trying to peel back the layers and hope that

her closest friend was going to jump

on board with her. And instead, it was

Heather, Whitney, and Angie. I think it

probably would have gone more positive

if that would have been a one-on-one

conversation with the two of them.

With Bronwyn and Lisa. I was like, 100%.

And even then, it was like, Lisa was like,

Tot's going to be so mad about this. So it's like, even then, she she was like you got upset because I didn't side with you because I was defending your husband but at the same time why are you bringing it up if we're not gonna like dive into it you know what I mean or the fact that Todd didn't watch it back it's just still it still bothers me a little bit because I'm like he does he should know what was said.
Yeah. Yeah I had been i was listening to something about there were people

talking about sundance lisa barlow obviously queen of sundance and apparently um self-proclaimed queen of sundance and she was at sundance recently and um someone had gone up to her and been like oh my god i'm such a huge fan of salt lake city it's like the best show whatever and she goes what do you think of bronwyn living in her mind

running free

and that was like

her first

her first question or whatever. And she goes, what do you think of Bronwyn? Living her mind run free.

And that was like her first question.

So Bronwyn is definitely on Lisa's mind.

And Mary did say that Bronwyn is a fan favorite

because she's so open and vulnerable.

And unafraid.

Yeah.

Doesn't need her money

or praise or adoration

or approval. I mean, she reads just very secure in every aspect of her life.
You know, like Heather, if you're listening, you're capable of so much more. Sometimes I think that maybe Heather, do you think something with the whole black eye thing affects the way that Heather positions herself within the group and like within Bravo? I don't know.
I feel like Angie giving us a little tea on what it was like to go to high school with Heather was the most informative. Yeah.
Just talking about, again, according to Angie, Heather's like desire to always be around the cool kids, the popular kids. And she always was someone who kind of acted not like also a popular kid, but someone who very much wanted to be one.
And that made a lot of sense, like heather moves around like the jen shaws and elisa barlows of the world where she's always like second in command she's always kind of doing their bidding she's like never and again heather is i think heather's one of the smartest people in the group like she's funny i love heather i just get so frustrated with her when she just does the shit she does uh we finally watched roni reunion like i don't even feel comfortable commenting on it's so toxic yeah like i mean i think i don't know if this episode was necessary i mean maybe the second one will be less toxic I think the only thing that really stood out to me for this was the like proof of Brynn twisting Jaisal's words about the love of her life. That was actually heartbreaking.
That was really hard to watch of Jaisal being like, I'm watching this with my husband and I'm having to be like, that's not what I said. And second guessing herself being like, being like, did I say that? Yeah.
And like Brynn just not really having any remorse and her kind of trying to make the excuses for it. And Jenna kind of having to like spoon feed to her why it was wrong while also kind of not condemning her, but being like, Brynn, that was really fucked up what you did.
Yeah. And the fact that you knew that brought that to national television.
What are you thinking? And she's like, oh, yes, I'm sorry. You know, it's not it's because that, you know, and like always making an excuse for something.
So it's kind of hard with like, obviously, the context of what's going on with Bryn, too, because you want to have empathy for her situation. But I do think it's some sort of coping mechanism or something from her past trauma to where it's like the truth is whatever she believes it is.
And doesn't really matter what the original story was which i totally i get from a like trauma background it's just when it involves another person's like private life you know it's like i get like the missing you know like confusing the truth with with lies in her own life to like cope and keep herself like afloat during trauma. But then to like bring in other people and twist their words and make what they say.
That is just where it gets hard to. It's kind of like Erin's words in like the finale, I believe, where she was just like, yes, like you need to deal with your, and your trauma is correct, but it also doesn't give you the right to create trauma for other people.
Right. Totally.
I just love the, what do you actually do? And she said, it's like nothing. Crickets.
No, she said, I do your job. I do your job.
That's not an answer, though. Which is not true, because she does do PR for Big Oil.
But why didn't she say that? I don't know. I don't know.
The way, every time I say something. And Sai is an influencer.
I know, but I think PR in this, I mean, clearly we saw it with Lindsay Hubbard. It's definitely not something you want to bring attention to.
She's been vocal about it on her Instagram. The way I found out, I found out from an Instagram post from Brynn in the first season because there were a lot of things of being like, what does Brynn actually do? She posted what she did, one of which of the things that she claimed to do in this Instagram post, and if you look it up, it's corroborated, is that she worked in the PR campaign during the BP oil spill.
I do want to say I really appreciate Andy and Bravo giving Brynn the floor and then separating that from like the convolution of like women like.

Totally.

Feedback or whatever.

Like she had the ability to say whatever.

Did she say it was someone in their crew?

No, she said it was somebody that she sees frequently who courted her for a while and that she still sees till this day.

Like it's somebody like in her personal life that she knows.

Just to deal with.

Gotcha.

So that's why she never wanted to like name anything.

Why she didn't press charges.

No, it's heartbreaking.

It's a... like it's somebody like in her personal life that she knows I never wanted to like name anything no it's heartbreaking it really is and it like it definitely explains a lot of her behavior I think like when you're actively dealing with that and going through that and living through that it's like it affects your behavior with other people and like I can see how you know she's she's acted the has.
But I think, yeah, Erin said it perfectly. You can have your trauma, but don't make it for other people.
A hundred percent. This is going to be triggering for you, Mary.
I don't, honestly, Jenna Lyons. I don't get it.
Not her in her Balenciaga luxury bathroom. She was going to return.
Lovely. I love her.
But what? Like, what makes her so, like... She's fab.
Like, why do people fawn over her? I don't get it. Like, even Rihanna said she was her favorite housewife.
I mean, I get it. She's highly successful, but, like...
I don't know. She's just kind of that bitch.
She has the certain... Genese...
Genese... Genese...
Maybe in person, but, like, not through the TV. I don't know.
What is this saying where it's like, it's not for you to get? Fine. She's for the girls and the gays.
I will absolutely go fuck myself. It is for the girls and the gays.
And she was even in an episode of Girls. Yeah.
Playing Hannah's boss. Hannah's boss.
Yeah. Definitely not for me.
But what is she doing for you? She and nothing all at the same time. She showed up to a reunion in a bathrobe.
That's luxury. That was enough for me to be like, I can do that.
I thought it was beautiful because Jenna Lyons gives me hope that not that I will ever be anything like or look anything like Jenna Lyons. But there's something about Jenna where I'm like, wow.
I think if you know her background, you'll think she like- That's for me. Is iconic.
Yeah. And I was wearing a bathrobe and a little- She made J.Crew what we like modernly know J.Crew as, dressed the president's like the Obama administration.
And to be clear, I'm not critiquing her professional- You don't get her as a housewife. Yes.
Just like as a housewife, I don't get it. To be fair, I was like, all the girls did say that they were annoyed by the fact that she gets to pick and choose what she shares on the show.
And I think if we did get to see a little behind the curtain, it would be a lot more interesting. And then when she does something that's kind of like giving slightly problematic, it's kind of giving, she's like, oops, I was a little embarrassed, but like, what else? It's like, huh? See, but I love that.
You know, I kind of love like an queen Meredith, Jenna It's not ice cold, it's more I'd rather be like, yeah, I don't give a fuck Yeah Rather than pretend the Anyways I understand I can see and understand your criticism for her As like a television personality I just am biased because I love her So she could say nothing and I would be entertained. I'm clearly in the minority.

I'm constantly being told that

she is next to God.

And I'm just like, I don't get it. What if I told you this?

Jenna Lyons had her own reality TV show

solo about her before Roni.

I mean, good for her. I just, was it watched?

I think her personality carries

within itself outside of a reality TV

character. Was it super successful? No.
But, you know, it existed. I think she should host within itself outside of a reality TV.
Was it super successful?

No, but you know.

I think she should host Project Runway.

Yeah.

Okay.

All right.

Well, I think that does it for this episode.

We will be bringing back Bev Hills on Thursday.

I mean, like, I don't know.

We didn't cover it last week

because of Heidi and Spencer,

but like, you know,

Dorit and Kyle still figuring it out.

Once again, tomorrow,

Carl Radke for an amazing Going Deeper episode. We'll see you tomorrow.
Bye. Safe on family favorites at Safeway.
This week at Safeway, get four to6 ounce Yoplait yogurt or 5.6 ounce protein yogurt for the member price of just 39 cents each when you buy 10. Plus, get 2-pound containers of strawberries for the member price of $4.97 each.
Also, this week at Safeway, get 6-8 ounce Lucerne shredded, sliced, or chunk cheese for $1.97 each with digital coupon limit for items.

Visit Safeway.com or head in store for more deals.