E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches

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Speaker 1 What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the Va Files Reality Recap Edition. I'm your host, Nick.

Speaker 4 Before we get into everything, I just want to say, obviously, we released our miscarriage episode last Wednesday, and I have been like absolutely in awe of just the outpour of love and support I've received.

Speaker 4 It's, you know, a very scary thing to be vulnerable on the internet.

Speaker 4 And it was a very personal thing to share, but I feel like the DMs that I've read, it's been a lot of people sharing their stories with me.

Speaker 4 And, you know, I think just really proving my point of like, we are not alone. And, you know, to talk to people who've been through it is, is incredibly healing.

Speaker 4 Obviously, still going through the motion and feeling all the things, but I do just want to acknowledge everyone who has reached out. And

Speaker 4 I love you guys.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Thank you.
Our daughter's one years old.

Speaker 1 Yay.

Speaker 4 We have a full-on toddler.

Speaker 1 Is it one year old? They've officially become toddler.

Speaker 1 What about the kiddos who are just like not there yet? You know, moving at their own pace. They still.

Speaker 1 I don't think it matters like what pace they're at. So one-year-old, like, one-year-old toddler.
You're no longer a baby. Yeah.
What does toddler mean?

Speaker 4 We no longer tell your age in months.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 No. I don't know.
I don't know. That's just my guess.
Great question.

Speaker 4 Well, I think actually it's in.

Speaker 4 I think it's like, yeah, 14 months, 18 months. And then it's like when they're two, if you go over 24 months, like you're crazy.
You're just kind of a jerk.

Speaker 1 When do we stop with weeks? i also she's 74 weeks no i don't weeks is like it's crazy she's 52 weeks a month did you know how many weeks are in a year 52. perfect uh

Speaker 4 a lesson for this morning you're so smart that no honestly she handled that party first of all I threw that party together in a week.

Speaker 1 Okay. Good for you.
Like,

Speaker 4 I said, I want to do a small party. I don't want to do anything crazy.
I just like, she's not going to remember it, whatever, whatever.

Speaker 4 And then the closer it got to her birthday, I was like, maybe we should do a little something, you know, feeling a little guilt.

Speaker 1 So it was a lovely party. Natalie did an amazing job.
And River is so lucky to have Natalie, truly. And she's great.
And like, I, I think I'm a great dad. I, I do.
I'm a hands-on father.

Speaker 1 I'm involved as much as any dad out there. Well, not any.
I'm, I'm up there. I'm a 1% dad in terms of the involvement.

Speaker 1 But like, when it comes to this stuff, like, really, Natalie really brings like, I lack any type of party planning.

Speaker 1 I feel that like

Speaker 4 power wash the backyard.

Speaker 1 Hey on Nally, that's what you're there for on Nally's instructions

Speaker 1 It wasn't like I wasn't like I should

Speaker 1 I want to do today

Speaker 1 He's nothing if not actually he pushed it off until morning of so which ruffled her feathers for sure, but I've I will say like you know I really appreciate Nally's party planning skills.

Speaker 1 It is bring it brings joy to my life in ways I never thought I would appreciate which would I would it would start with our wedding, you know, like that's where we'd start, not at like your birthday book lunch party or sure, that too.

Speaker 1 That one too. Yeah, no, yeah, that you're right.
Sorry. No, no, it's fine.

Speaker 4 I was a bit more expensive.

Speaker 1 All on my budget. For you.
Exactly.

Speaker 4 Don't want it to go overlooked.

Speaker 1 Definitely don't think. Anyway, but yeah, I just never, you know, if Iva was in charge of planning our wedding, we would have had a backyard barbecue.
100%. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 But like no barbecue.

Speaker 4 People would have been like, where's the food? And it could be like, fuck.

Speaker 1 No, I've been like,

Speaker 1 let me run to Gelson's. I'll cook.

Speaker 4 I got this.

Speaker 1 Like, that's, that's the extent of it. And Nally is really good at creating moments for our family, like, in memories.

Speaker 1 Like, and that's something I never really thought I'd appreciate until Nally started doing the stuff for our family. It's really great.
So, like, she, she created some amazing memories for River.

Speaker 4 I think it's just I really want to like.

Speaker 4 have

Speaker 4 I didn't really come from a family of like traditions, you know? Yeah.

Speaker 4 I mean, I had, you know, I think I've talked about like every so often on like Christmas morning, my mom would let us pick out whatever cereal we wanted, but I really can't remember any other stuff.

Speaker 4 And so it's like forever, I want, you know, Nick and I went to Color Me Mind and painted her a little birthday plate that she can use every year on her birthday.

Speaker 4 We like put her little donut on it in the morning of.

Speaker 1 Which

Speaker 1 for anyone out there,

Speaker 1 Nell had a wonderful idea and it really turned out. Oh my God, we hated each other during that painting,

Speaker 1 to be honest.

Speaker 1 Let me

Speaker 1 swirling and color me mind.

Speaker 4 I felt so bad because everyone else is on dates and we were like, use the different pink, Nick.

Speaker 1 Come on.

Speaker 1 Natalie had a vision. Yeah.
All right. Let's be clear.
And it's a great vision. It was like, we are going to go to this place and make River her birthday plate.

Speaker 1 And then until she breaks it, eventually, of course, it will be her birthday plate. At some point, we're going to have to glue that plate together without question.
I hope you're prepared for that.

Speaker 1 It's a lovely plate. But like, Natalie's like, let's go paint this together.
And I said, great, let's do this together. And we showed up, you know, I came from work.
She came from somewhere else.

Speaker 1 We showed up as two busy parents often do at the place to unite and create their daughter her first birthday plate. And some of you may not know this, but I have a small, well, I can't party plan.

Speaker 1 I can draw and I can paint and I have a bit of an artistic thumb, as some might say. It didn't matter because I wasn't part of the vision.

Speaker 1 I needed you to draw the cake. Nellie's like, can you draw a cake?

Speaker 1 And it was just like, what is that? I don't know. And then I started painting.
And then she's like, I don't like that pink. And then I'm like, and I was like, you know what?

Speaker 1 I'm going to shut the fuck up and I'm just going to sit here and watch you paint this plate. And it turned out and it is amazing, but like, you can't paint a plate together.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You pick your own, like, I just get two plates and may the best man win.

Speaker 1 Because

Speaker 1 this is not something to do together. Like, well, I think if not if one person has a vision.
No.

Speaker 1 It wasn't like, let's just see what happens. It was like, what the fuck are you doing?

Speaker 4 I think if I explained what you did to start, that ruined it, then maybe everyone else would agree.

Speaker 1 It ruined your vision. Yeah, no, I understand.

Speaker 4 We started with a cupcake and the cupcake top was.

Speaker 4 completely off center of it's a round plate it was not in the center of the round plate it was like up to the left a little bit and my virgo brain was like absolutely the fuck not that's not gonna work so i said you know what why don't we switch roles and do like uh uh

Speaker 4 move to a cake instead of this cupcake I was fine.

Speaker 1 Let's pull up.

Speaker 4 Nick was like, no, no, no, you are not fine. You're like, you want me to erase this? I just drew a cupcake.
Yeah, you want me to erase the whole cupcake?

Speaker 1 I'm like,

Speaker 4 they have huge erasers here for a reason.

Speaker 1 That's 12 minutes gone

Speaker 1 drawing a cupcake. It had shadows and everything.
It was like...

Speaker 1 It was a good cupcake. Shading.

Speaker 4 Then I wanted, you know, like, you know, those paint pins that they have that they have like actual paint they use with a paintbrush and then they have like gel pins.

Speaker 1 yeah infuriated me he only wanted to use the gel no that's not true he did not want to use the paint and i'm like we're here to paint a plate now he wanted not pin draw

Speaker 1 now

Speaker 1 like she wanted it to look like a cake right she wanted to draw a cake and like not to mansplain painting because i just have painted now i wanted to like to draw the details of a candle with like a feathered brush i was like go nuts draw this candle and see if it looks like a candle when you're done and guess what it looked looked like?

Speaker 1 Not a candle. A candle.

Speaker 4 So that was like really lovely for us to do that together.

Speaker 1 It's a memory we'll never forget.

Speaker 4 But it did turn out.

Speaker 4 I think we definitely threw in some details at the end that probably could have been left out. But it was like a, what do we fill this safe space?

Speaker 1 And give us some color.

Speaker 4 and some texture. So then we did the birthday plate.

Speaker 4 And then I really was like, I want to wake her up with a donut, like a candle in the donut on the birthday plate, like go into her room, like happy birthday, you know, like that be her first moment.

Speaker 1 And for someone on a sugar, like not a no-sugar diet right now, this was difficult.

Speaker 4 Everyone had to, everyone had to abide by Nick's no-sugar. He was like, a donut on her birthday? Absolutely not.
That's crazy. That's crazy.
She can't have a donut.

Speaker 1 Oh, she's never had sugar. So apparently, I don't know.
I guess when you turn one, you can have anything you want. Yeah.

Speaker 4 That's kind of like where the restrictions end, you know?

Speaker 1 Yeah. I get it.

Speaker 4 Nick loves the excuse of like, it's Christmas.

Speaker 1 You know, like, come on, we're at on the lane. That's old Nick.

Speaker 4 Sorry. So, did you not have

Speaker 1 any of that cake or donuts? A donut.

Speaker 1 And everyone at the party was like, this is the best chocolate fucking cake I've ever had in my life. And I love chocolate cake.
It looks so good.

Speaker 4 I got chocolate for you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I didn't have any.

Speaker 4 I definitely have a picture of you two going into Kiss River and looking at, and it's like, Natalie's looking right at River, Nick's looking red.

Speaker 1 I'm looking at him.

Speaker 1 Oh, my goodness. Cakes look so good.
It took every

Speaker 1 strength I had not to

Speaker 1 eat that cook. Good for you.

Speaker 4 Everyone really did kept saying, like, this is the best cake ever.

Speaker 1 It was like just digging the guy for it.

Speaker 1 And you'll never know.

Speaker 6 I'll never know.

Speaker 4 Also, the cake pop. But she handled it so well.
She like loved the attention.

Speaker 1 Yeah, she did. She didn't get overwhelmed.
No.

Speaker 4 She was great.

Speaker 1 I don't think she was. And then she took like her first steps.
It's like she started walking like a few days ago.

Speaker 4 I feel like January 26th.

Speaker 1 River's a performer.

Speaker 1 She has, I think, a little bit of her mother in her in the best possible way. Because I think River, honestly, I think she has been,

Speaker 1 she started standing around like five, six months. And I was like, this chick's going to be like fucking walking in a week.

Speaker 1 And like, no, turns out she was just kind of like, I think she could have been walking for like a month, but she's like, you know what? My birthday's like in a month.

Speaker 1 And I really, I think there's no way to like, no reason to like get ahead now.

Speaker 5 She wanted a hard launch.

Speaker 1 She wanted a hard launch. When she soft launched it with us a few days ago, it took a few steps.

Speaker 1 And after her nap and the party started, she like came out in her little fairy dress that Natalie picked out.

Speaker 1 She like walked around the corner, like being a little fairy angel princess baby that she is, and smiled at everyone. Yeah, she really laughed.
She took it all in. She laughed.
She performed.

Speaker 1 She spun. Made friends.
She made friends. She laughed.
Told jokes. It was adorable.
It was a great party. Yeah, Natalie deserves all the credit.

Speaker 1 I was there to help.

Speaker 4 A lot of people in my messages think that I paid a tablescape person to come and like.

Speaker 1 Who's that? What's a tablescape person?

Speaker 4 People who do like design tables.

Speaker 1 No, that's all Natalie. And her mom.
And her mom

Speaker 1 and my mom. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But Natalie was the visionary for sure. It was Trader Joe's.
We executed her plan.

Speaker 4 And some Amazon next day. Shipments.
One of my favorite moments was overhearing Nick tell somebody, he goes, and this is Natalie being chill.

Speaker 1 And again, that was meant as a compliment. Like, it really was a, it was a perfect little party.
It really was, yeah. Natalie brought her child.
My uh Leia brought her child because Natalie is

Speaker 1 all over the place. Leah brought her child.

Speaker 7 I was like, oh, Natalie brought her child. Yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 1 My brother brought his child. So there are only,

Speaker 1 there are only three kids. There's only three kids.
And then we had a couple friends, whatever. It was lovely.
But it wasn't like, you know, some of those first-grade birthday parties, it's just like,

Speaker 1 first, first,

Speaker 1 be present. Some of those first-year birthday parties, they're crazy.
Oh, yeah. They're crazy.

Speaker 5 This is lack of sugar in your brain.

Speaker 1 I know. I don't have enough fruit.

Speaker 1 It's crafting right now. He's crafting out.
No, I have, don't worry. I have all my fruits and orange juices on deck.
You might need some right now.

Speaker 1 i hope all of you get to do you guys drink orange juice yes you you like orange juice i love you love orange juice what kind of juice do you drink

Speaker 5 okay so my favorite orange juice used to be it's actually it's national now but it used to be like a local florida orange juice natalie's um that's that's where you're at in your uh orange juice he's gonna shame you

Speaker 1 he's gonna shame you that's okay i don't mean to be you i love a i love a classic

Speaker 5 florida's natural um i'm not picky when it comes to orange juice but i also come from

Speaker 5 i also come from florida Yeah, there's an entire wall of orange juice. We would get fresh squeezed orange juice.

Speaker 1 So you grew up on freshly squeezed.

Speaker 1 And now you're drinking Natalie's? Excuse me.

Speaker 5 I feel like orange juice is my culture. So I think everything I have to say on this issue is correct.

Speaker 1 Well, not if you're drinking Natalie's is your go-to orange juice.

Speaker 5 It's not my go-to. They have a strawberry lemonade.
That's incredible. I love a sugary orange juice and I love a fresh squeeze.
They're two different things to me. And my,

Speaker 5 I come, girl, I come from the groves, okay?

Speaker 1 I was going around the orange groves when I was a girl. When I was a little young girl, I would waddle around the groves.

Speaker 5 I know what orange juice is, and sometimes I like the sweetness and the sugar and the pulp.

Speaker 1 Well, being a kid who grew up on the frozen cans, those

Speaker 1 frozen blocks of like, I don't know what they were like, sods.

Speaker 1 And it was like a frozen block of orange juice. Must add water.
Cafeteria. I used to think those were good.

Speaker 1 And then I remember when simply orange juice was like invented, and I was like, oh my god, it's simply just orange juice. This must be freshly squeezed.
I thought that was good.

Speaker 1 Yeah, orange juice is like flying. It's like flying.
You know, once you go to first class, you never really can go back. I don't know.

Speaker 1 Can't speak for Mary, but uh, once you're sorry, I like orange juice of the people.

Speaker 1 It's what I enjoy spending much time.

Speaker 4 $25

Speaker 1 orange juice.

Speaker 1 That's the best money I've ever spent. That's

Speaker 1 like $19.

Speaker 1 How much do you get?

Speaker 4 And this is Nick Bing Chill.

Speaker 1 I hope freshly squeezed orange juice is that it should be the only orange juice available.

Speaker 5 I will say, it is objectively better.

Speaker 1 Thank you.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I'm not saying it's not good. I'm just, it's not always

Speaker 1 readily available. I don't think I know it's, oh my God, no, it's not.
Like, yeah, I go on missions around LA to find freshly squeezed orange juice.

Speaker 5 You're also getting navel oranges a lot of the times.

Speaker 1 And that's tell me why that's bad.

Speaker 5 Oh, I'm just saying the only like true orange juice is a Florida orange.

Speaker 1 And where can I procure?

Speaker 1 like i i want to get it's like doing a key lime pie with just regular limes like that's not legit that's just a lime pie at the lake house they uh which they broke around finally today nice remodeling the lake house we have like a live feed of it you know can't wait uh i'm gonna be squeezing so much freshly squeezed orange juice at that lake house like every day it's gonna just there will be a shortage of oranges around the nation are you gonna get like a professional juicer like

Speaker 4 not like the ones where you like put like the ones where you like have the oranges in there like jamba juice oh and they get chopped yeah it's like they like do the whole thing for you.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I haven't really done my full research.
There's a lot of oranges.

Speaker 4 I've been researching a lot of frame TVs recently.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 There is the

Speaker 1 zero turn llama.

Speaker 1 Imagine.

Speaker 1 Wait.

Speaker 5 If you're ever in Vero Beach, Florida, there is this.

Speaker 1 Where is that? It's where in Florida where

Speaker 5 West Palm Beach. Yeah.

Speaker 1 North. But Coast.

Speaker 5 What side?

Speaker 1 Like central East Coast. Okay.

Speaker 5 There's

Speaker 5 this place where you can get like an orange slushy. They have like fresh orange juice, countryside citrus.

Speaker 5 Countryside citrus. It's orange slush with soft serve.
And it's the most incredible thing you will ever have in your life. Shout out Countryside Citrus.

Speaker 1 Very Beach, Florida. I just want, I just want the.

Speaker 5 You can just get the slushie. You can just.
It is. It is.

Speaker 1 I want the freshly squeezed.

Speaker 5 They also have orange ice cream. So they like have all of their own produce and stuff.
So they have like homemade orange ice cream. They have their orange slushy.

Speaker 5 And it is the best thing in the world.

Speaker 1 So, it's no, and it's next to Gloria Estefan's hotel.

Speaker 1 It's the best use of your money.

Speaker 4 I just have a feeling like Natalie's just one day, it's like, surprise, babe, we're going to Florida.

Speaker 1 It's just like, why? You can go to the surprise, you can go to the Tropicana Field.

Speaker 5 Okay, um, I used to live close to the Florida's Natural, like, I used to drive by it all the time when going to see my grandparents, the facility.

Speaker 6 I can't get over you saying what side of the coast.

Speaker 5 What's it is Florida famously a peninsula?

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, Okay. I always, for some reason, thought Miami was on the west side, but it's not.
No.

Speaker 4 Speaking of west side, Grammys 2025 was last night.

Speaker 1 Anything cool happened? Yes.

Speaker 4 Kendrick Lamar winning multiple Grammys.

Speaker 5 Song of the Year, record of the year for dating on drilling. Not great.

Speaker 4 There's a whole point where when he wins his award, they're playing Not Like Us, and they're literally playing the Drake verse, and the entire audience goes a minor.

Speaker 1 Like, you've got Tay Swift in the audience you've got like legends you've got blue ivy knowing everywhere where was drake not invited to the great mason not invited to the fucking you know what i thought was drake in cancel or something uh he is selling his 88 million dollar house yeah that's on sale now

Speaker 4 where is that in beverly hills because he needs it he needs it what's crazy though about that house is that there's 10 bedrooms and 22 bathrooms that's what i like 22

Speaker 4 why he just needs multiple places to cry after he gets bodied by kendrick at the super bowl i'm always a a big fan of any place or space that has more bathrooms than bedrooms because it's just kind of like, this is the guest bathroom.

Speaker 4 This is my personal bathroom. And there's nothing more awkward than having to like walk through someone's bedroom to use their bathroom.

Speaker 1 And it's just like, I'm in your space.

Speaker 6 There's also a main house and then like the separate house and then an 11-car garage.

Speaker 4 God. It's 11 cars.

Speaker 1 And an elevator.

Speaker 4 But what I did think was crazy about the Grammys is that Taylor presented best country album to Beyond

Speaker 4 and Kanye West. flash back to however many years when Taylor Swift won best album of the year, right? And Kanye West was like,

Speaker 4 I just got to interrupt for a second. You didn't deserve this.
Beyonce did.

Speaker 5 Crazy, like it was really like a bookend on like that full circle like chapter of just you have like Beyonce and Taylor both at the height of their careers.

Speaker 5 Beyonce finally winning album of the year, best country album, and like Taylor Swift just like incredibly supportive of her.

Speaker 7 And it's just, they're dominating the music industry and Kanye is getting fucking kicked off the red carpet with his naked wife so kanye showed up with his naked wife and he they he wasn't invited he just said he showed up and said let's he wasn't kicked out you're naked he walked out of the grammys well he walked the red carpet and then they left basically yeah he wasn't kicked out of the grammys oh so fake news they were not kicked out he was nominated and walked the red carpet then chose to get in his car and leave oh so he showed up for the red carpet and did not stay for the party yeah yeah he then posted and deleted images from the evening on his instagram account captioning one of the photos with love story.

Speaker 1 Love story.

Speaker 4 He's also only following Taylor Swift.

Speaker 1 That's fair. That's fair.

Speaker 4 That's fair. Yeah.
No, I literally went to go look at his account.

Speaker 1 Because when I looked at it

Speaker 6 yesterday and today, he's only following Bianca. So I think

Speaker 1 he's switching up.

Speaker 5 He's being a little bitch.

Speaker 1 Maybe Bianca is a little bit more than a little bit more than that. I think he's only following

Speaker 4 weird. But Chambla screenshotted it and sent it to me.
I mean, isn't public indecency illegal? That's.

Speaker 4 I don't understand, but some people are saying because it's a private event and like the red carpet is shielded, but I'm like, the woman is fully naked.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I saw her landing strip.

Speaker 4 yeah oh my god i thought she was wearing a censored dress no i know her labia minor yeah yeah like 100 labia minora i'm not a doctor

Speaker 4 speak no once oh yeah i remember i researched it and there's like one small clip of her saying something i don't know like i just need to know if she's being held hostage i need her mom or a sister a cousin a family friend someone to be like no she's good i just i mean does she run hot that is a hundred percent kanye west being like let's make headlines let's make waves go naked And it's like, okay, yes, sir.

Speaker 6 If she's down for it, I kind of see the vision.

Speaker 1 There is no vision.

Speaker 1 I'm assuming she's down for it. I don't know why the return.

Speaker 5 Human body is beautiful.

Speaker 1 But there is no vision.

Speaker 4 Like, that is, there's just no way she would be like, yeah, fuck yeah. Let me walk a red carpet in front of all of these strangers and cameras in the world, butt ass naked with the tiny.

Speaker 4 And she keeps like pulling down this dress of

Speaker 1 see-through father.

Speaker 4 Like, it's literally see-through. Like, you can pull it down all you want.
It's not changing.

Speaker 1 Which, like, when when we pull it down, the more you can see through it.

Speaker 4 Yeah, so she is wearing something, yeah, but it's like a sheer dress, like

Speaker 5 it's basically pantyhose.

Speaker 1 I think pantyhose covers more, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 I feel like we can all attest to like when we're out wearing a dress or a mini skirt or something, and we like constantly are pulling it down is because we're a little like, ooh, self-conscious that like butt cracks out or like self-consciousness.

Speaker 4 Someone's gonna pump out, yeah. And so, that's the fact that she kept pulling down that non-existent dress told me that, like, she's she's uncomfortable.

Speaker 6 She does always look uncomfortable, but I will say like in his defense, like we do go to museums and consider the naked body like high art.

Speaker 6 So like that's his whole thing where he's trying to be like a visionary of like art mixed with fashion, mixed with like she's his muse.

Speaker 4 A hundred percent, but I feel like it would be completely different if the way that that I watched them on the red carpet, it was like he wouldn't stand close to her. He didn't put his arm around her.

Speaker 4 He stepped away. He looked at her.
It was like a very like, she's a spectacle. She is his, like, gets him on headlines.

Speaker 4 And he just steps back and makes her do these crazy things and wears these crazy outfits.

Speaker 4 There's a theory online that I'm not saying is true, but I'm like, there's a theory that's saying that because she looks so much like him, that it's like his way of humiliating his ex-wife almost, like, as if it's like, can't do it to her, but I'm going to, this woman that looks exactly like him, I'm going to make her dress like this, X, Y, Z.

Speaker 4 But I mean, it's like, these are his children's stepmother, you know? Like. Your kids are seeing your stepmom's vagina on a red carpet with the rest of the world.
Like, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 I couldn't agree. Oh, it's Kanye.
I wish she could speak.

Speaker 4 I wish she'd speak too. I wish someone in her life would speak and be like, oh my God, no, she's always wanted to walk a red carpet naked.
That's been a lifelong dream of hers.

Speaker 4 It's in her diary when she was five.

Speaker 1 Well, who do you know who's speaking in that family? Tristan Thompson.

Speaker 4 Oh, and what does he have to say?

Speaker 1 He is claiming, apparently, which I found to be odd, and maybe I'm getting the story wrong, but he is claiming that he is the father of Dr. Angela White's child.

Speaker 4 No, I think, and correct me if I'm wrong, but they basically like raised that baby. Like, I know that Dream is with them, like with True all the time.
I don't know where Rob is.

Speaker 4 I don't have his location.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 6 this context adds a lot because when I like saw it, so Tristan posted a snapshot where he basically said, I have two daughters and their names are Dream is my oldest daughter and True is the second oldest.

Speaker 6 Those are my two girls and I miss you so much. I love you guys.
And China commented on a repost of the video saying, Dream has one mother, Angela White. I usually don't speak up, but I'm done.

Speaker 6 Stop all this clout chasing involving my daughter. As parents, we have joint custody, and we also have a beautiful, healthy co-parenting relationship.

Speaker 4 Why did she say she has one mother and one father, Robert Kardashian?

Speaker 6 Well, she did say, like, beautiful co-parenting relationship, which I guess is alluding to that.

Speaker 1 She just referred to not his daughter as his daughter.

Speaker 1 I mean, I get it. I grew up with people who were like, like my aunt and uncle, and I call them auntie, whatever, you know, but like, this is clearly a

Speaker 1 sensitive subject. And a guy who has his own problematic headlines and stories and his own behavior of like family values and yada, yada, yada, is out there just being like, My two daughters.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 5 Yeah,

Speaker 4 that's definitely weird for him to be like, I have two daughters, and like their names are dream and true.

Speaker 1 And it's like, but you don't.

Speaker 6 And at least a defense, though, she is always with like Chloe and Tristan.

Speaker 4 No, yeah, even on like watching the Kardashians, Chloe's very open about how she takes a lot of care of Dream. Sure.

Speaker 4 But that definitely does not make Tristan her father and it doesn't make her her mother i mean they're you know well i don't think chloe has ever said i know sure but like i'm imagining he she's a lot more involved than him well i just wish that angela black china would have said dream has one mother angela white and one father robert kardashian and like thank you so much for these two people who like watch her but like you're not her parents you know

Speaker 1 i don't know where is rob we don't know he stays off of he has private life yeah i'm not really interested in like Rob, like the public figure. And like, I don't really care about his Instagram.

Speaker 1 But like, where is Rob in relations to like, why is Tristan Thompson, of all people, like, assuming any type of parental responsibility in this family dynamic?

Speaker 4 Probably because he has not played one game of basketball in so long that he's like, I guess I'm just like dad of.

Speaker 1 No, it's just more like, where's a Rob? Where's Rob in all this? I think he's a recluse.

Speaker 4 Because that was like part of his storyline too, is that he never wanted to be like a part of the family events and show up to things.

Speaker 4 And I see a headline that says Rob Kardashian's family worried he's cut off from the world. He even wears disguises when out.
And that was from last year, December 19th.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 4 That's like maybe he's definitely a weird post by Tristan.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Definitely weird.

Speaker 5 Maybe Tristan is soft-launching his trade to the Lakers, like Luca.

Speaker 1 There was a big trade, babe. Everyone's talking about it, I guess.
Luca, formerly of the Dallas Mavericks. Yep.

Speaker 6 He's looking at me.

Speaker 1 He's very good. He's one of the best players in the NBA.
Usually trades like this don't happen.

Speaker 4 Because I went to a Lakers game and I've never been more bored in my life.

Speaker 1 So yeah, maybe that they were, they heard you loud and clear, Natalie. And then we need a star because when LeBron doesn't play, who the fuck do we root for? Baby Bron, not from me.

Speaker 1 Not Luca.

Speaker 7 Not Luca. Also, Anthony Davis, I feel like it's always out injured for getting like poked in the eye.

Speaker 1 Leia's reading tweets from her husband, Danny.

Speaker 5 No, I

Speaker 7 said that one.

Speaker 7 That one was mine.

Speaker 5 I did see a tweet about it that was like, I named my dog Luca. What am I supposed to call him now? Anthony Davis?

Speaker 1 And that made me laugh.

Speaker 7 No, but I feel like Danny was definitely freaking out more than when I told him I was pregnant.

Speaker 1 How'd that make you feel? Nah.

Speaker 7 I understand.

Speaker 1 Is he a big Lakers fan?

Speaker 7 He's a big Lakers fan, and he just doesn't understand how this is possible.

Speaker 5 Is he happy? He's like, Leah, you don't understand.

Speaker 7 There's never been a trade like this before. There hasn't.

Speaker 1 So he's happy. He's thrilled.

Speaker 7 I think he's shocked. He's still coming to terms with it.

Speaker 4 I mean, is he good?

Speaker 1 Why wouldn't he be?

Speaker 4 Like, if he's a good player, why wouldn't he like

Speaker 5 insane that it happened? Like, why Dallas would do that does not make any sense. He's their star.
It doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 1 He's one of the best players in the league and he's young. Don't we think the Lakers just bought him out? No.
In fact, when it comes to

Speaker 1 not to bog the audience down with contract stuff, but in the NBA, they have guaranteed contracts, which is cool.

Speaker 1 But if you sign with the team that you play for, you are eligible for what they call a Supermax deal, and it's like $340 million or whatever. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But because Luca was traded and he's not with the original team that drafted him, I believe that has something to do with it. He is no longer even eligible to sign that deal.

Speaker 1 So like by him getting traded, he lost money. Like $100 million.

Speaker 5 He got fucked over. And everyone's like, how did this happen?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 5 So Stephen A.

Speaker 1 Smith is because other teams would like sometimes, like, sometimes players would get traded, but they would sign the deal with the original team to like work around this like rule and then get traded.

Speaker 1 But they just said, fuck that. We're just trading you.
We don't care. That's going to cost you $100 million.

Speaker 4 Do you feel like they're just going to

Speaker 4 start putting the Lakers games on Netflix with Temptation Island?

Speaker 5 That might get people to actually watch men's basketball again.

Speaker 1 This is big news for us, really. For those of you who don't know, Temptation Island is a TV show that's been on TVs for some time now.
It debuted.

Speaker 1 It debuted when I was in college on Fox. Wow.
Whoa.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I watched season one. Yeah, it was good.

Speaker 4 Did Temptation Island start around the same time as The Bachelor?

Speaker 1 Around that time.

Speaker 4 I feel like there used to be like a night where it was like Bachelor and Temptation Island.

Speaker 1 It might have even been before Bachelor. Really? It was my sophomore year of college.
This was like 2000. I think it was before The Bachelor.

Speaker 4 I was two.

Speaker 7 This is not F-Boy Island.

Speaker 1 Something different. So, correct?

Speaker 5 So is this basically

Speaker 4 Nick? Was a sophomore in college watching Temptation Island and I was two.

Speaker 1 Fresh out the moon.

Speaker 1 I just started walking.

Speaker 1 How do you feel?

Speaker 1 Uncomfortable.

Speaker 4 Temptation Island came on 2001. Bachelor premiered 2002.

Speaker 1 Everything

Speaker 1 also came up before. Anyways, Temptation Island's been on longer than The Bachelor.

Speaker 1 I think it wasn't on very long. It left the air, came back on like the USA network or whatever.
Same host known as Mark Wahlberg, not the A-list actor, but a different Mark Wahlberg.

Speaker 1 A different Mark Wahlberg was the host in 2001 and continues to be to this day.

Speaker 1 And for those, you know, Temptation Island, like you get couples that come on, a la like the ultimatum, and then they couple swap. And it's like nasty and crazy.

Speaker 5 It's trying to get them to cheat on each other, basically.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And people who I know who watch it, like, really think it's excellent television.
Well, because it's on USA, which I think a lot of people are like, did that even still exist?

Speaker 1 Now it's going to be on Netflix. Much easier for us to binge.
so i'm excited when's this when's this debut march march 12th

Speaker 1 hmm

Speaker 1 i think i predict it's going to be a hit i think it's going to be i think we're all going to be talking about it come march do you think people are going to like it more than will farrell smoking a cigarette as buddy the elf why are people so upset about this

Speaker 5 some people are not happy according to will farrell they thought please be true to the character that was not cool and will said i think buddy was having a bad day yeah he just went to a hockey game smoked cigarettes and drank beer.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Will Farrell famously a couple weeks ago, like dressed up as Buddy the Elf and went to an LA Kings game. And he was like smoking a cigarette.
And he looked like he just had a, you know.

Speaker 1 Can he smoke a cigarette at a it was not a real cigarette.

Speaker 5 It was a, it was a peppermint cigarette. So he was like really committed.

Speaker 4 Just doing a bit. He was doing a bit.

Speaker 5 He thought it was method acting.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he was. And

Speaker 1 that's the type of method of acting that I think is okay. Yeah, why is this a problem? You know? People change, even your beloved characters.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Maybe like Buddy the Elf just like finally, you know, the the grind of being in L.A. hit him.

Speaker 5 Yeah. It's like, how much work does this man have to do around Christmas time? He cannot have one cigarette.

Speaker 4 He said, occasionally, I just like to do weird things and just like to stir it up. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Will Farrell is just my favorite. He's a man of the people.

Speaker 5 My favorite Will Farrell line is in this movie, Eurovision, which is an awful lot. It's a great movie.

Speaker 1 It's a really good movie.

Speaker 5 It's awful. It's the best.
No, it's bad and like an incredible shit.

Speaker 1 It's not bad or not.

Speaker 1 Well, it's a dumb comedy. It's not winning an Oscar.

Speaker 5 Yeah, it's a dumb Netflix comedy. It's great.
And he's a very good thing.

Speaker 1 But based off of a very real thing.

Speaker 5 Yes. And he has this line.
He goes, Seaman and Gerfunkel instead of Simon and Garfunkel. And it always makes me laugh.
Anyway.

Speaker 6 This does make me think of how Lizzie Maguire, when they did the reboot, Hillary Duff was like, I want her to grow up.

Speaker 6 And they were like, no, we want her to be as tacky and like as if she never grew up. And she's like, I'm not doing this.
And then they canceled the reboot after like starting to shoot it.

Speaker 5 The episodes exist.

Speaker 4 That's one of my least favorite things that TV shows do is when they do do a a flashback to when the character is a child and they're wearing the same hairstyle.

Speaker 4 And it's just like, you've been wearing the same hairstyle for 25 years.

Speaker 5 Put them in a bag with put them in a bad wig. Do what Challengers did.

Speaker 5 Give her like bangs to signify it's the past. I love a goatee flashback.
I do that in friends a lot.

Speaker 4 Exactly.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Bad facial hair choices, like things that we all experimented in from little champs to an adult.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Did you know that, Nick, you would probably like relate to this woman, but this UK woman was charged with harassment after cyber farting at her ex-boyfriend.

Speaker 5 This is the best message.

Speaker 1 This is the end of the world.

Speaker 5 This is awesome.

Speaker 1 Such a dumb headline in crime. No, it's not dumb.
It's real, though.

Speaker 4 Someone. A 25-year-old UK woman just made history with Britain's first ever cyber farting case.
It all started with a video message to her boyfriend's ex-girlfriend. The relentless cyber farting

Speaker 4 words began before Christmas and continued through New Year's. The inappropriate and indecent or grossly offensive videos eventually earning Evans a 12-month term for malicious communications.

Speaker 4 She proceeds to pass gas by placing the camera at her boss. She deserves prison.
100%. She deserves to go to prison.

Speaker 5 Or this is the best bit in the world.

Speaker 4 No, that is the craziest thing to do to someone, and you deserve to be behind bars. You're recording yourself

Speaker 4 recording and sending it to your boyfriend's ex-girlfriend. He better break up with you immediately.

Speaker 5 But what is it? You can't smell it.

Speaker 4 Doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 I think it's crazy. I mean, listen, it's a crazy story anecdotally, but like, it's even crazier that they're arresting people for

Speaker 1 farting into a camera.

Speaker 4 She proceeds to pass gas by placing the camera on her bottom and passing the gas, said prosecutor Diane Williams. Miss Evans passing wind.

Speaker 4 How many times can we, how many different ways can we say farting?

Speaker 1 Passing wind, passing gas.

Speaker 4 Her face smiling at the camera.

Speaker 4 Criminal. She's a criminal.
The victim, Deborah Pyreke.

Speaker 5 Victim is in quotes.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Deborah, something. If murderers and pedophiles are all in jail, then you can start worrying about people like this.

Speaker 4 Said the booty belches made her feel unsafe in her own home. When she appeared in court pleading guilty,

Speaker 1 the booty belches.

Speaker 4 When she appeared in court pleading guilty, she said her actions were done in support of her boyfriend.

Speaker 4 She suggested she wanted to send videos because she felt her partner was being treated unfairly. It was purely malicious.
She was smirking throughout. She found it hilarious, but the victim didn't.

Speaker 4 Evans must attend 15 rehabilitation sessions, 60 days of alcohol abstinence monitoring, and a two-year restraining order following the cheek squeaking stunt.

Speaker 5 The cheek squeaking stunt? This is journalism.

Speaker 1 Booty belt.

Speaker 1 The big takeaway is that going forward will never fart. I will only booty belt.

Speaker 5 Guys, this is my favorite thing we've ever talked about.

Speaker 1 Cheek squeaking. Cheek squeaking.
Cheese squeaking.

Speaker 6 I did the research on this and I was like, of course, people in U.S. Magazine left this off.

Speaker 1 I think England's going up in flames. But anyways.
I'm also just like blocking.

Speaker 7 I'll happen to cut the cheese.

Speaker 4 Ooh, cut the cheese. That's a good one.

Speaker 1 That's been a free speech.

Speaker 4 That's not freedom of speech because that's freedom of wind.

Speaker 1 It's a booty belch.

Speaker 5 Hey, if we can't, who are we if we cannot let one rip?

Speaker 1 Thank you.

Speaker 7 Our butts are allowed to speak. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Is that

Speaker 1 England? They have different rules.

Speaker 4 I feel like after this story, she's going to get a lot of messages being like, I'll pay for your farts.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. This is, yeah, this is she should do cameos.

Speaker 4 She's going to make a living.

Speaker 1 This is a gateway into her OnlyFans career. Hootie belts.
There's some 101.

Speaker 5 There's some freaks of games.

Speaker 4 I got some DMs asking for my burps on video. So

Speaker 4 your regular belching? My belching on command.

Speaker 1 Remember through college?

Speaker 4 Did you share that you have this special skill? No, I've never actually shared that before. So when I got that DM, I was a little nervous for sure.
I didn't know if there was cameras

Speaker 4 in those places. He did not say.
Open to negotiation. He said it would come from his own personal checking account, though.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 4 Thank you for not laundering money.

Speaker 1 That's a little weird.

Speaker 1 Guys, we have an amazing episode lined up for you. We have an even crazier week.
Coming up shortly, we got Bob Harper from Traders just exiled from the castle.

Speaker 1 He is with us momentarily to talk about all things Traders. Then we have a full week for you guys.
Obviously, we dropped Ask Nick a really great episode yesterday. We have a rally recap today.

Speaker 1 Tomorrow, we have an explosive interview. Tomorrow, we got Carl Radke on an amazing episode of Going Deeper.
We finally got Carl into the studio.

Speaker 1 Obviously, we had the pleasure of interviewing his ex, Lindsey Hubbard, a while back. And I think at one point I said that Carl was too chicken to come on the show.

Speaker 1 Well, he is not, and he is here with us to answer all of our burning questions and many of yours as well. That is on Wednesday.

Speaker 1 And Carl's kind of been like, other than obviously being on Summerhouse, kind of low-key. You You know, he hasn't really talked to anyone until now.
Okay, what do we got to get to?

Speaker 6 Well, Gretchen Rossi is back. Orange County Housewives.

Speaker 4 This is kind of epic.

Speaker 1 Tell us about Gretchen Rossi. I'm not

Speaker 1 as familiar with her. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Gretchen had a long run on Orange County. Her favorite photo.
She was a very family famously feuded with Tamara and I believe Vicki as well.

Speaker 4 But she's coming back to Orange County this year and it's kind of a big deal. I'm really excited to see.
Do we, is she coming back as a housewife or friend of?

Speaker 4 I believe she's, I believe she's fully casted as a housewife. She's not taking Alexis Bellino's place.
She's no, okay. Jen posted a video with her, Katie, and Gretchen.

Speaker 4 So it seems like this is going to be like the newbies.

Speaker 4 And Gretchen famously has issues with Tamra. So I think this is going to be a very interesting season.

Speaker 4 And Shannon also posted about Gretchen coming back saying that she was really excited to have her. We haven't heard from Heather or Tamra about Miss Gretchen.

Speaker 1 No, we have not.

Speaker 6 She's going to return as a friend.

Speaker 4 She's returning as a friend.

Speaker 4 So she is replacing alexis well but we all know that once you film there is a possibility that you can get like bumped up to full-time and the people have been asking for this which so tamara's gonna get bodied basically is what's gonna happen i mean i i don't know i just know it's not gonna be it's not gonna be quiet season that's for sure gretchen kind of has made her own little space as like a homemaker have they started filming yet no no and like her husband has drama with Tamra like it's like there's like a whole a whole thing so you guys it's gonna be a really really, really good season.

Speaker 6 I will say I'm excited for Summerhouse, especially after like the whole Paige and like the rumors of her dating.

Speaker 6 I don't know if you saw, but Austin Kroll went on Watch What Happens Live from Southern Charm.

Speaker 6 And he was asked about the rumors and quotes of Paige dating another man. And he was like, I don't think the rumors are rumors.

Speaker 4 And didn't Paige respond with, oh, yes, a man who I haven't talked to in six months knows more about what I'm doing.

Speaker 6 Yeah. And then meanwhile, she also, she's freezing her eggs.
So it's like, there's these multi-layered conversation of of like, Craig wanted kids. She's freezing her eggs.

Speaker 6 It's the whole messy situation.

Speaker 4 I mean, it seems very clear that they just were not on the same

Speaker 4 wavelength. Like he was ready.
She's career motivated right now. And like,

Speaker 1 she's got that backyard of like unnecessary fire pits, which I love, by the way. But that's like giving like, you know, Googling lawnmowers, you know?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Google hero turnmores. Paige is like, I don't think she's there right now.
She's looking for flights, vacations.

Speaker 1 She craves this shit. I don't know when I'm going to have time for it.
He's like, babe, we got fire in the backyard. You know?

Speaker 4 They're just not on this. Also, I mean, yeah, if I were Paige, Austin Kroll speaking out on Watch What Happens Live would also piss me the fuck off.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Austin, who the fuck are you?

Speaker 4 You're also like, we're watching you fight with Craig right now because you're kinging them time with him. So

Speaker 1 I'm not going to.

Speaker 1 Paige is like, I did you a favor.

Speaker 4 Okay. Now you have him all to yourselves.

Speaker 1 Literally.

Speaker 5 He won Craig in the breakup.

Speaker 1 He did. Literally.

Speaker 6 Jennifer Aiden also isn't returning for New Jersey Housewives.

Speaker 4 Are we surprised?

Speaker 1 So that's New Jersey Housewives even returning?

Speaker 5 Probably not for a while, but Jennifer Aiden just got a job at Jersey Mike's.

Speaker 1 Unrelated. I'll care when we know exactly what's happening with New Jersey Housewives.
Until then, I feel like this is a bunch of not news. Yeah.

Speaker 6 I mean, Andy said a minute ago that it won't be for another year or longer.

Speaker 1 So do we really know? if Jennifer Aiden won't? I mean, a lot can happen between now and when they actually get back on TV. That's true.

Speaker 5 Depends on if she follows Mike's way.

Speaker 4 Honestly, the whole series needs to be recasted anyways, so sorry.

Speaker 1 I saw that when

Speaker 1 you had Spencer and Heidi here, Andy did apologize to Heidi and Spencer.

Speaker 4 So Andy Cohen apologizes for his past comments about Spencer Pratt and Heidi Montague during his radio show. Andy stated, I apologize.
So what I will also say is that was mean.

Speaker 4 That was 14 years ago, and what I really don't like about it is referring to her as trash. I don't like that at all, and I'm really sorry about that.
So I apologize again, I guess.

Speaker 1 Okay. I guess.
Why is he saying, I guess? I don't know.

Speaker 5 That's how it is. I think he's saying because he said, I already apologized a while ago, apparently.

Speaker 7 But Spencer, as everyone knows, was just here the other day. We had an episode with him and Heidi, and he was on the phone with TMZ responding to this.

Speaker 7 And he basically said that the apology won't suffice until Andy decides to reach out privately. He also proposed that Andy post a video dancing to Montague's number one song, I'll do it.

Speaker 6 Yeah, and to finish what Andy had said, he said, by the way, there were things that we said and did on TV 14 years ago that we wouldn't do now.

Speaker 6 It was just a different universe, but I'm not trying to justify it. So he's saying it was more of a like, TV now is different than back then when the Hills was airing.

Speaker 4 Honestly, like, as much as it's not an excuse, it very much is just different.

Speaker 4 Even us watching Vanderpump recap for Biofiles Plus, that it's like things that flew by in reality TV 10 years ago would never stand today, let alone no commentary.

Speaker 1 You know, can't wait 12 years from now someone else whose house is burned down that we talked some shit about 12 years before. They won't be like, Yeah,

Speaker 1 sorry.

Speaker 4 I apologize.

Speaker 1 Have things cooled down between Rachel and Matt.

Speaker 6 I saw that Matt lost over 10,000 followers and Rachel gained over like 80,000 followers. So I know there's that whole social media support.

Speaker 7 Some other Bachelor Nation people have come out and talked about it. So we have Claire Crawley, who came out and talked about the breakup.

Speaker 7 She basically said in an Instagram story, she said, catching up on social news and SMH, shake my head, at some of this stuff.

Speaker 7 Remembering that one time I specifically asked producers to please not allow one specific guy on my season because I knew for a fact he was not looking for a serious relationship whatsoever.

Speaker 7 And I didn't want him to waste anyone's time. So instead, they made him the next bachelor.

Speaker 1 So it's Claire Crowley saying that Matt and Rachel breaking up is proof that she was right, that he's really proof.

Speaker 8 I think she's.

Speaker 4 Wait, am I missing something? Was Matt James supposed to be on Claire's season?

Speaker 1 He was. Yes.

Speaker 1 Matt James was originally casted for Claire Crawley's season. And then Claire, who knows of what that part is, right? But like, they decided to make Matt James the Bachelor.

Speaker 1 Claire is now claiming that she had something to do with him not ending up on her season. I don't know what this has anything to do with, like, I mean, he did date Rachel for four years.

Speaker 1 I don't know if this speaks to like Matt's sincerity about being in a relationship. Like, he became the bachelor and has been in dating the same person for the past four years.

Speaker 1 So in 2025 terms, that's like an eternity, you know? You can't, you can't criticize his commitment issues.

Speaker 6 Who else is criticizing Matt?

Speaker 7 We also have Ari.

Speaker 1 Ari posted. Yeah, Ari.
What's Ari saying?

Speaker 7 So he posted,

Speaker 7 and it was an Ask Me Anything. And one of the questions was, need to know your thoughts on Matt and Rachel.
And so he's like walking and he's sharing it and he basically

Speaker 7 walk and talk. He's, he basically says that he doesn't feel like that he ever treated her with much respect.
And he brings up the after the final row when Matt broke things off.

Speaker 7 And he just felt like it wasn't fair. So he just basically is saying that he doesn't feel like Matt ever treated Rachel with much respect.

Speaker 4 It's a heavy statement. That's what I was thinking.

Speaker 1 Yeah, where would he be in a position to like he doesn't think he's ever treated her with much respect over four years ever?

Speaker 7 It was a very short.

Speaker 1 This is coming from a guy who like had a pretty infamous after the final rose himself. Literally.

Speaker 4 Just the most hated man in America after that.

Speaker 1 Like, at least in a moment.

Speaker 7 He pulled a Jason Mesnick.

Speaker 1 And again, like, in defense to Ari, a lot of that was not Ari's fault. It was very much the producers producing the fuck out of the AFR.

Speaker 1 A la, like, you would think that Ari might have a little bit more empathy for Matt James and his AFR experience.

Speaker 1 Certainly, Rachel, as we've stated before, I think was absolutely thrown under the bus and scapegoated for a lot of people.

Speaker 1 But Matt James is on the bottom of the people I assign blame to when I think him and Rachel were both thrown under the bus.

Speaker 1 It's just weird that Ari, of all people, is commenting on that particular moment when he has his own story. But hey, pop off, Ari.

Speaker 1 All right, up next, we got the one and only Bob Harper himself to talk about his most recent exit from the Traitor's Castle and all the shenanigans going on inside of that wacky and wild place.

Speaker 1 Let's get to Bob.

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Speaker 1 Wow,

Speaker 1 Bob.

Speaker 1 Bob.

Speaker 4 Hey, man. Stunning.

Speaker 1 Thanks for joining us. Where are you calling from? That looks great.
My apartment.

Speaker 1 Look at his outfit. Stunning.
Man.

Speaker 8 I mean, I'm always going to serve it.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. Look at his jug of water.
He's hydrated. I know.

Speaker 1 What a.

Speaker 8 I try to hide that.

Speaker 1 What a spacious room, man. Anyways, I didn't know we would get such a.

Speaker 1 Now I want to turn this conversation to like how to design your entire apartment in the best possible way. Come on over.

Speaker 1 Bob, it's been so fun to watch you on Traders. Obviously, I think I speak for all of us that we were sad to see you go.

Speaker 1 I don't know how you feel, but like when people get killed by traders like overnight, it just feels like, you just feel like, well, like, oh.

Speaker 8 You're like, wait,

Speaker 1 what's going on?

Speaker 8 I need to defend myself.

Speaker 1 Yes, yes. You're like, you're just dead, you know, at least at a round table.
You're just like,

Speaker 1 you know, you get to, you get to like give a fuck you and flip people off like Wes was doing. But were you shocked, Bob, that you were murdered? Did it come with great surprise?

Speaker 1 Or were you kind of like, what the fuck? Like, what were those thoughts going in your head when you woke up and you realized that the traitors killed you?

Speaker 8 I had that moment where I was thinking, wait, why did I say what I said at the roundtable, kind of like throwing that out on the table with no warning?

Speaker 8 with everyone else. Because let me tell you, if I would not have gotten murdered that night, Rob would be gone the next one.

Speaker 8 So I guess he was smart to do it, but Dolores, I would have gotten Dolores and Siara to not be voting for like when Dolores voted for Tom, I was like, this is not good. I mean, Tom is not a traitor.

Speaker 8 He's just crazy.

Speaker 1 He's just crazy.

Speaker 5 He's just weird.

Speaker 4 But you also got Boston Rob's plan word for word, like exactly what he did. Was that like infuriating watching this episode and knowing that like he's still there?

Speaker 8 Yeah. I mean, the way that he kind of, he had to come in because he wasn't picked to come into the house in episode one.
So he really had to like throw his dick around. You know what I mean?

Speaker 8 He had to be like, I've got to show these people that I am the best player of any game. And it just made such perfect sense the way that he came so hard being like, I'm 100% confident.

Speaker 8 I'm like, well, you're 100% confident because you're a fucking traitor.

Speaker 1 Duh. I'm curious, you know, when we're watching it back, obviously we're watching back, you know, an edited version.
We don't get to see anything.

Speaker 1 And, you know, I'm watching it now and like wondering how, you know, as great of a player as Boston Rob is, like, how is he not being noticed?

Speaker 1 Because he's just, if for no other reason that he's just like so noticeable, like he is definitely walking around with the right light on him.

Speaker 1 But was it as, you know, is that more editing, you know, now that we, you know, they have it? Or, or were people just not seeing it in real time as well?

Speaker 8 You know, a a lot goes on when you're shooting, and they've got to condense it down to an hour.

Speaker 8 But I feel like when it comes to Rob, he has a way of bullying people, he has a way of kind of being the man that's in charge.

Speaker 8 And then all of a sudden, these minions kind of got behind him and were just like, Yes, I'll do whatever you say.

Speaker 8 You're the one. And like, that was the one thing about Dylan, who I absolutely love.

Speaker 8 I love Misguided.

Speaker 8 But he was really, I feel like he was really using Rob to do the dirty work too. So, I mean, because there's no way you didn't know that he was a traitor or was not a traitor.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I feel like Dylan knows Rob as a traitor and just decided not to vote for Rob just to like avoid any conflict with Rob. And he's, you know, going to figure out the robot of it all later.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it just seemed like Dylan's heart wasn't in that West vote, but it seemed more strategic. And he was like almost thinking two steps ahead.

Speaker 8 God, if I would have been at that roundtable that night, though, I mean, Rob would have been sent home because I would have just been like, listen, Wes is a dick.

Speaker 8 He's like, he's saying all the things and he's, you know, just doing that thing that Wes loves to do. But I would have gotten them around the fact that this is such a diversion and a distraction.

Speaker 8 And it's all coming for Rob, from Rob.

Speaker 8 And

Speaker 8 i mean he would have gone but i was just like wes shut up at that roundtable i was like shut up with all of your just like you know macho male

Speaker 4 he did say a lot of just like unnecessary weird comments like coming for you ladies like holy

Speaker 8 that's a game yeah yeah he's like i'm i'm coming i'm coming for the five of you and when brittany was like well let's make it six i thought that was a great line yeah yeah it just it became people voting out of uh just them not liking him and meanwhile vibes rob was sitting there just like you know

Speaker 4 look what i did again i mean it's it is crazy just because i feel like every roundtable rob is so sure of the other person like it's always him and someone else and he's so sure of the other person and gets the other person voted out only for them to obviously still be a faithful And it's like at some point, all these people got to be like, all right, wait a second.

Speaker 1 Like, Rob,

Speaker 1 what's going on?

Speaker 4 But who are you closest with in the house?

Speaker 8 Dolores and Sierra. I mean, those were,

Speaker 8 those were my girls. I mean, from the jump, I didn't even know Sierra.
I didn't know her from her show. It was just she had a quality about her that I was just super drawn to.
And

Speaker 8 the same, I knew Dolores outside the house, but we really got close to one another. And I will, I've said it before and I'll say it again.

Speaker 8 Dolores is that kind of friend that you call to help bury the body at night.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because she will be there for you. What was the craziest Tom theory that you remember?

Speaker 8 Oh, it just, I and I think Dolores had a great comment at the roundtable last night. Just like, she was basically like, girl, say whatever you want because none of it's going to make sense anyway.

Speaker 8 I mean, he had it in for Crochelle because of the history that they had.

Speaker 8 And it was just constantly him just going on about Chris. But I will say

Speaker 8 I enjoyed Sandoval

Speaker 8 there was that one part of the episode last week where he's hunched over and he's like eating

Speaker 1 skinner like he's Nusferatu or something I'm like I'm like I'm like baby take a breath with this sit down his theories made no sense they were all over the place at all times my favorite part of the episode was when uh tom it's the round table starts with tom giving a theory and then derek is like all right well that was, I'm sorry for we all had to listen to that bullshit, but can I actually get to like my theories?

Speaker 1 It was.

Speaker 8 Yeah, that happened a lot. When he started talking, it just got to be this kind of like eye roll around the round table of just like, oh, here she goes.

Speaker 1 Let's let her talk down for, you know, a few minutes.

Speaker 8 But then you just got to interrupt, Sandomal. It's just like you just have to.

Speaker 1 That's great. Thanks.

Speaker 1 Thanks for sharing that story.

Speaker 1 Also, nothing, like the couple episodes, I just want to acknowledge that like, you know, that scene you had when they were carrying the fucking mantles up and like you know that was a very vulnerable moment for you and like you talked about having a heart attack and obviously you know you look great but like as as we get older and we have health problems like it's obviously very humanizing i'm sure to at one point in your life be able to do one thing as you described like you would have been the person like helping people carry up and then when your body kind of gives out on you, that can be a very humbling experience.

Speaker 1 And like, I think a lot of people connected with that story that you shared. And I'm just wondering, like, what was, you know, did you receive any well wishes from that? Or what was that like?

Speaker 1 Or did you hate having to be vulnerable in that moment?

Speaker 8 It was one of those moments where you can't help, or at least for me, it's like I couldn't help but be vulnerable. I mean, I'm an open book.

Speaker 8 And so when that mission was going on and it was kicking my ass, and I'm seeing Dylan, you know, like a stallion running up and back and robbing to

Speaker 8 so many people just like killing it. And I was just like, holy crap.
Like, you know, I'm turning 60 this year. And after my heart attack, I

Speaker 8 changed completely the way that I work out.

Speaker 8 And all I've done for the past several years is just yoga.

Speaker 8 But like one thing that the traders has done for me personally is that I'm more confident now getting back into the gym, doing doing workouts kind of that I used to do, uh but just like trusting my heart and my body again so you know not to make this a very special episode but like that's that's that's kind of what it what it was like for me and uh you know i feel great but i get sometimes i get these people like he looks so different i'm like yeah

Speaker 8 you saw me on television you know a million years ago i mean i'm I'm not as young as I used to be. So, you know, it's like, I need everyone to just calm down on me.

Speaker 1 Well, you look great.

Speaker 1 I think my favorite photos going around online are the old Boston Rob photos from Survivor.

Speaker 1 Because everyone's like, do you remember Boston Rob? And I'm like,

Speaker 1 no.

Speaker 4 He was the heart Rob.

Speaker 8 I remember watching him

Speaker 8 and I love Boston Rob. And I mean, I still do.

Speaker 8 I think that he's great. And he sent me a really nice message right before the episode.
And he was just like, you know, you were just on to me and I had to do it.

Speaker 1 And I was like, yeah, I get it. Do you think, I know, I mean, we don't want to obviously spoil anything.
And I don't even know what you know once you leave, but I just, you know, I think we can.

Speaker 1 He knows everything. You know everything?

Speaker 1 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 Well, what I want to ask you is, like, I just don't see how Rob gets out of this. Because every time he gets into a fight with someone, right?

Speaker 1 And then he convinces the table, like, oh, you're all wrong. This other person's the traitor.
And then they get up and go, not a traitor.

Speaker 1 Like, every time that happens, you're like, well, wait, it's got to be fucking Rob. But like, is it.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 I will say never underestimate Boston Rob. Uh, and I also will say, and I've even made a point of saying this too.
I was like, God, I really thought I was going to be good at this game.

Speaker 8 I've got an intuition. I feel like I can figure it out.
And of course, when I watch the show, because I'm, you know, I'm a fan of this show, that's why I did it.

Speaker 8 It's like, when you're at home, you have all the information. So everything is obvious in the way that it's edited.
I am not kidding you. When you're in that house.
It is so difficult.

Speaker 8 You are grasping at straws. You are trying to figure out like Carolyn's eaten cereal with a fork.

Speaker 1 What does that mean? What? Is she right?

Speaker 4 I asked Nick, I said, was she eating honey nut Cheerios with a fork? That was crazy.

Speaker 1 She was eating with a fork.

Speaker 8 She was eating cereal with a fork. And so, of course, because, you know, if you've seen Carolyn, like, she is fit.
She's tall. She's tall.
She was just in my house the other night.

Speaker 8 She is tall and, you know, got that great body. And I'm like, well, of course she eats cereal with a fork because it lowers the calories in what you're eating.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's dairy, for sure. Yeah.
Love Crochelle,

Speaker 1 friend of show.

Speaker 1 Her vibes seem to be way off. Every time she talks about having a feeling or an inkling or energy about someone, it's always someone who's definitely not a traitor.

Speaker 4 I think that goes to your point, though, of you just being like, we're grasping at straws.

Speaker 4 You are just like looking at someone's shift in energy and being like, it's got to be because they're a traitor.

Speaker 8 Yeah. I mean, it becomes.
It becomes like that. I mean, I love Crochet.
Like, she is,

Speaker 8 not only is she just, she's gorgeous on the outside and the inside. I mean, she is so great.
We spent a lot of time like driving together.

Speaker 8 And, you know, she was always kind of, you know, having that very California, and I'm from California,

Speaker 8 that California tree hugger moment of just like, you know, your energy just feels a little different and

Speaker 8 looking at the stars or whatever the case may be. And I'm like, yeah, I'm a little bit more pragmatic than that.

Speaker 1 What city are you calling from, Bob?

Speaker 8 I live in Manhattan.

Speaker 1 Oh, God. Damn.
What a beautiful place. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Let's have us over for tea.

Speaker 8 Come on over next time y'all are in town.

Speaker 1 Any more questions for Bob?

Speaker 5 What do you think about the whole Danielle Carolyn

Speaker 1 of it all? Yes, thank you.

Speaker 4 Their beef, the traders fighting amongst the traitors.

Speaker 8 I will say now that I'm not on it and I am a viewer,

Speaker 8 I am riveted by it. It's like I cannot wait for Thursday night because I need to see what goes on in that turret.
And Carolyn is the kind of person, once you cross her, there's no going back.

Speaker 8 And so, I mean, I think Danielle is going to have to do a lot of heavy lifting, but I don't think, I think it's going to fall upon deaf ears. It's like Carolyn is,

Speaker 8 she's a piece of work, that one.

Speaker 8 And you think that she is,

Speaker 8 she's not aware of of what's going on. What I've learned, she's aware of everything.

Speaker 8 I can't wait.

Speaker 1 I cannot wait to watch this.

Speaker 5 It's incredible television.

Speaker 1 It's been great. And I'm just like, Danielle, I just don't really get her master plan.
It's like, it's too many steps, you know?

Speaker 1 It's just like she's trying to get rid of Carolyn so that she can get rid of Rob.

Speaker 1 It's all about getting rid of Rob, according to her, but it's just like, why are you backstabbing your only potential ally so that you can get a different trader in and then trying to convince them to go after Rob.

Speaker 1 That's like, that's a lot of moving pieces.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And she's not really doing anything other than pissing off Carolyn.

Speaker 8 Yeah. And I think that maybe, and I don't know, I don't know this, but like, you know, maybe she's just trying to throw so much heat everywhere else that it gets off of her.

Speaker 8 Because especially when we played that

Speaker 8 one mission with all the riddles, I mean, she was so good at it and she just kept going up and like giving her shield to someone else.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 8 I'm sitting there going, girl, what are you doing right now? And that was the first time I started thinking, oh, something might be up with Danielle. But I trusted her so much.

Speaker 8 I could not believe that she was a traitor.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I am kind of shocked more people after that mission weren't like looking at Danielle.

Speaker 8 Correct. I know, but there was just so much.
heat everywhere else in the house and then all of a sudden uh wes decided to do his Wes thing. I think Wes dropped the ball with that.

Speaker 8 He was just being way too aggressive for no reason. He could have just like calmed down a little bit and just, that's how Rob could have gotten out.

Speaker 1 Wes comes from the challenge. Yeah.
And like,

Speaker 1 I'm not a big challenge fan, but it's like, it's just a lot of physical competitions and stuff like that. Yeah.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I've never seen, I've never seen, I didn't know Wes. I didn't know him at all.
Like when I first saw him in the cage, I thought that he was like Fergus's brother or something.

Speaker 1 Like they look so much alike. Yeah, it sounds like he did a lot of winning on the challenge and it's been around for a year.

Speaker 5 He said he was the most winningest person at the table.

Speaker 1 What does that have to do with he likes to tell us that and like there's I guess you are but what does that have to do with traitors and how that it's a completely different game and their strategy and just like pissing off half the room.

Speaker 4 Challenge kind of is a bit strategy where because people are voted out.

Speaker 4 So it's like you have to kind of make alliances and have people on your team and hope that they're voting the same way that you are. Like survivor is more of a quiet game.

Speaker 4 Challenge is like you've got an hour to go and talk to everybody and do things.

Speaker 4 So it's like, he's still playing in the challenge where I'm like, he should have taken a tip from the survivors and been like, let's lay low a little bit. But he's doing like, I'm in your face.

Speaker 4 I'm aggressive. I will win.
And if you go with me, then you will win too kind of thing. And it's like, it didn't work for this game.

Speaker 8 I will say, I don't know if anyone's told you this, but, you know, the roundtable is such an intense part of the castle.

Speaker 8 But The way that the intensity elevated, I remember the first time we were sitting in the roundtable it was all quiet and then all of a sudden they piped in that hunger game song you know the are you are you coming for the uh the three or whatever whatever that song is like it was one of those moments like the first time we heard that at the roundtable i was like what the have i gotten myself into i mean it was like

Speaker 1 it only created uh more drama and that happened all the time and you we thought we'd get used to it and it was just so nerve-wracking that's crazy that they pumped that music in to add to the intensity because usually it's that's fascinating they are producing that's all they are producing yeah

Speaker 1 well thank you for that are you wearing cowboy boots i am yes oh

Speaker 8 uh we call you know i'm from tennessee i mean we kind of call those chit kickers right yeah

Speaker 8 are they like are they not pointy oh yeah they're square-toed you look like a badass in those oh

Speaker 8 what part of tennessee bob i grew up on a farm an hour north of nashville

Speaker 8 called Adams, Tennessee.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 8 It was a little, little bitty town. Like, I grew up on a gravel road that didn't have a name on it.

Speaker 1 Love. I love that.
And look at you now.

Speaker 1 Beautiful. Yeah, literally.
In his Manhattan penthouse. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's literally a dream. Manhattan house.
100%. Living our dream, Bob.
Thank you so much for your time. Really enjoyed watching you this season.
Wishing you nothing but success in the future.

Speaker 1 And thank you so much for taking the time.

Speaker 8 Thanks for having me. It was really nice talking to y'all.

Speaker 1 Likewise. Bye-bye.
Bye, Bob. Bye.

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Speaker 1 All right. Well, thank you, Bob, for that insight into the Trader's Castle.
My biggest takeaway is, damn, Bob's living large.

Speaker 6 Architectural digest.

Speaker 1 His apartment looked like it was.

Speaker 6 True.

Speaker 1 Stunning. That's a Manhattan apartment.

Speaker 1 You ever seen the movie Big? Yes. Many times, yes.

Speaker 6 You have. She kissed a young boy.

Speaker 1 That was not my biggest takeaway from that movie. My takeaway was when he bought that apartment in the city and he could like ride uh like through his new york apartment like who's his

Speaker 4 got some space yeah bomb's riding bikes yeah yeah anyways crushing life before we get to bachelor i have some summer house news going on well amanda petula thinks that craig conover is being a little ridiculous about the paige de sorbo breakup so how so her and kyle did an interview with us weekly and they're talking about summer house and whatnot and she says that craig's latest moves after the breakups have left her unimpressed she says i think it's a little ridiculous I think Craig likes the sympathy from everyone.

Speaker 4 And ultimately, I think that he should have, what he should have done was clear up the cheating rumors in some regards because she's really getting a lot of hate for that.

Speaker 1 What is Craig doing?

Speaker 4 All that Craig did, from what I know, is posting that story saying,

Speaker 4 like, I was unexpectedly broken up with, and people find that to be shady.

Speaker 1 I feel like she. She's not even that allowed to be like, yeah, I was a bit caught off guard.
I was in love one day and the next day I have a broken heart. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Or like, my best friend, I can no longer call and reach out to you to talk about day-to-day issues. And it's a weird adjustment.

Speaker 1 It's just like, wait, like guy breaks up with girl on an airplane and the whole world needs every fucking detail and so we can crucify the man, but girl breaks up with guy and he needs to shut the fuck up is not to like have any theories and rumors spread about like why.

Speaker 1 That's a good point.

Speaker 1 Well, that's the thing.

Speaker 4 She did go on her podcast. She gave her side of the story as to why she broke up.

Speaker 1 Huge hit podcast platform of platform, weekly podcast, where I'm sure every week she is making some kind of comment in reference to her relationship status and what's going on in her life, which indirectly involves Craig.

Speaker 4 100%. And I think even then from the story, he never said anything cruel.
And he did say that, like, to be respectful of Paige, that they're both going through this separately and just to be kind.

Speaker 4 So it's like he did state that. He didn't say, like, oh, I don't know.
I know for a fact she didn't cheat on me. But at the same time, like, that's none of our business.

Speaker 4 They don't have to speak on it if they don't want to.

Speaker 1 Anything about Craig's comments suggested in like anything other than like she broke my heart 100%.

Speaker 4 I also think it's like Paige saying Austin, you know, doesn't need to comment on the relationship. It's also like, okay, Amanda, like, when was the last time you and Craig had a conversation?

Speaker 4 You know, I feel like it kind of just goes both ways of the people on the outside. Obviously, this is a huge story.
This is like anyone who talks about it, it's getting pickup.

Speaker 1 So, I feel like friends of these people are undefensive, Paige, about that, though.

Speaker 4 Like, nothing irritates me more than people telling me about me and what I'm doing in my life 100% But don't you feel like Craig could feel the same way about Amanda being like Amanda you don't know like what I'm going through and so for you to say that like you were unimpressed with my how I'm handling this and you think I love all this sympathy.

Speaker 4 It's like come on We haven't talked and I don't know how long, you know You don't think you could say the same Sure.

Speaker 1 I mean, I'm not agreeing with everything Amanda said I'm just pointing out that Amanda is just like critiquing Craig's actions versus Austin is spreading rumors.

Speaker 1 Austin's going out there, I'm watching what happens live and been like, those rumors aren't rumors.

Speaker 1 She's like moved on. Yeah, 100%.

Speaker 4 What Austin did is way worse than, but I just think it is like people commenting to comment when like neither of these people were in this relationship.

Speaker 4 And I don't know the last, I mean, do we know the last time Amanda saw Craig, talk to Craig, like knows what's going on? You also don't have to throw shade at the X. Like you can support.

Speaker 4 your friend without having to throw the shade the other way. Cause I'm like, Craig's not doing anything to you.

Speaker 1 Craig's not going out saying that Paige did XYZ Paige isn't going around saying Craig did XYZ so I'm like why are we commenting on either and like the accusation that Craig is like milking the sympathy sympathy it's like give me a fucking break again the person on the receiving end of the breakup a is entitled to have a broken heart and b like Craig ain't the first person to be like milking sympathy in the reality TV space.

Speaker 1 So like what Craig has done in this department is a fraction of what other people have done to milk milk their sympathy when it comes to their broken heart. So like.

Speaker 1 Well, I just got two words for you. Father God.
Father God.

Speaker 4 Start of Mount James breakup post.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 All right. Well, Bachelor episode two is out.

Speaker 4 I'm actually enjoying this season of Bachelor, which is a rare statement for me to say.

Speaker 1 I just want to say you cannot make me hate Zoe.

Speaker 4 Oh, I don't know about that because I disagree. Not my cup of tea.
Not my, yeah.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 4 I feel like the girl who's always like, I'm not here to make friends is like, come on, babe.

Speaker 1 I'll say this much about Zoe is someone who last week I thought might be someone who wins. She ain't winning.
She's definitely not one.

Speaker 1 I respect the hustle. One caveat to this is that like it's only week two.
And week two,

Speaker 1 they'll take it from wherever they get it. And that is the drama.
So like early on, like, I don't know, Zoe is just like, maybe she's like, I'm just like, I don't know.

Speaker 1 To be clear, you guys can have your opinions, but like, she is 100% right. Like, all she is doing nothing wrong.

Speaker 4 No, I don't think the like taking him on the group date is wrong.

Speaker 4 I think that's definitely the opportunity to get, you have to, like, during group dates, that's the only way you get alone time with him is if you like pull him.

Speaker 4 Like, I 100%, like, she was do what you want in that whole scenario. I think the, like, then taking him from Allie, like stealing him from Juliana,

Speaker 4 Juliana, and then stealing stealing him again from Ali Joe to like finish your thoughts.

Speaker 1 It was like, okay, girl, like we're doing too much. What if I told you that everyone that early on is interrupting everyone? Like everyone gets interrupted.

Speaker 1 So like when someone's talking to someone, nothing happens without a little bit of coordination from the friends who want you to buy a boat,

Speaker 1 the producers. So no one, no, like

Speaker 1 at no time is the bachelor or bacheress just sitting there waiting for people to come. That's never happening.
They are never alone. So they are given access to like the people.

Speaker 1 So like they are always interrupting someone every time. You are sometimes shown those interruptions.

Speaker 1 And the why some people get mad and some people don't is because they carefully make sure that certain people interrupt certain people because they know it will trigger. certain people.

Speaker 1 And then with Zoe hanging around, wanting to finish that conversation, it is more likely that before she went back, you know, to sit with the rest of the gals, they were like, well, you seem like you didn't get to finish your conversation.

Speaker 1 Would you like more time with him? Like, we'll just wait here.

Speaker 4 No, but I just hate that argument because I feel like Zoe could have been like, you know, honestly, like, I feel like I'm good. I'll see him tomorrow.

Speaker 1 She wasn't good. She wanted, she got three minutes with the guy and she wanted three minutes and 30 seconds.
I don't know.

Speaker 4 From what the women said, they were like that they've all been very respectful about giving time.

Speaker 4 How much time do they actually get?

Speaker 1 I don't know. It depends.

Speaker 4 Like, how long is one of those dates?

Speaker 1 It might be three minutes. It might be 20 minutes.

Speaker 4 But like the date in general, like when they win after like a challenge, like how long are you at a different location for?

Speaker 1 At a dinner party after a group date. Yeah.
Like, oh, that's all night.

Speaker 4 Is that all night? So like maybe like five, six hours?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 So like, okay, so there's a way for six or eight girls to be respectful of the time that they're giving.

Speaker 1 Respect. I am not here to get you time with someone that like, especially early on, if you're making a human connection.
And keep in mind the premise of the show.

Speaker 1 is they're all like, yeah, after like eight weeks, you can get engaged. It's like, yeah,

Speaker 1 sure, no problem. And I'm supposed to, what, like, do this for a fucking with a fucking stranger?

Speaker 1 Like, the idea, like, anyone there who is there to be polite for the rest of the girlies is not there for granted.

Speaker 1 Zoe is the only one so far making it very clear why she's there and she's there for granted. And everyone else there is there to make friends.
They're there for the followers.

Speaker 1 They're there to like be there for the clout. I don't know.

Speaker 4 She seems to be disagreeing with that.

Speaker 4 I think it's the people who are just like more people pleasers and less of like, yeah, competitive, a little bit more aggressive, a little little bit more, I'll step on your toes.

Speaker 1 Like can't get to know someone by sharing them.

Speaker 4 Sharing them with like 25 people. Sure, but I think there is a way to be like.

Speaker 1 But like no one, that's what I'm saying. If you're gonna go, if you show up to a group date and your plan is to sit there and wait for your chance, you won't get a chance.

Speaker 1 They will, they will end the night, you know? You have to try to go talk to your person. You have to go out of your way to make time.
However, you do that, you can figure it out.

Speaker 1 You can be like Zoe and like a little more aggressive, or you can be a little bit more like, hey, like, I'd love to, can I go go talk to Grant can I like I'd love some time or maybe I wrote something nice for him I want to do something but if you're just going to sit there and wait for the grant to pull you sitting there allie joe was just like i've been sitting here all night and i haven't a chance to talk to him like well that's your that's your problem but then she tried to talk to him and was interrupted and then when this is the part that got me is when she tried to confront zoe after she was quiet so i was like girl

Speaker 6 yeah you were saying that with your chest a second ago interrupting me and now you're sitting there being quiet no she had nothing to say well allie joe did come at her hard with like you're that insecure.

Speaker 4 Like, you have nothing to say, you're that insecure.

Speaker 1 I love her. You need that much attention.

Speaker 4 I love her.

Speaker 1 No response. And like, all Zoe was here to say is, like, listen, you can't offend me by interrupting me.
I'm going to do me. You do you.
I'm not going to critique how you do it. Don't critique mine.

Speaker 1 And then Allie Joe started throwing like insults and started talking about how insecure she was and all this bullshit. And Zoe's response was like, you know, sticks and stones.

Speaker 1 Like, I'm just going to sit here quietly and be the like demure queen that I am. Demure.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to fight back demure nothing about that girl is demure yeah whatever she's confident i give her that but i could never fine but like i love i thought it was great

Speaker 4 what did you think of christina straddling him in front of all the other girls that was a little toning him down

Speaker 1 i'm pretty sure they'd loop that a little bit i would love to know from from grant well like was she was she making out with you that long i kind of feel like they looped it a little bit but I mean it was the most intense makeout I've probably ever seen on TV.

Speaker 4 The best is like them being like, yeah, like when we kissed, it was like, or like her saying, when we kissed, it was like nobody else was around. It was like, it didn't look like you looked around.

Speaker 5 Yeah, we could tell. Clearly.

Speaker 4 You walked up through a crowd and then said,

Speaker 1 The women seem more triggered by Zoe than

Speaker 1 different women, you know. Whatever.

Speaker 6 Well, Carolina seemed more receptive to what the girls had to say at the dinner party versus Zoe was like, I don't care what you have to say. I'm doing what I'm doing.

Speaker 4 And also the energy shift is so different where I was like, I feel like for the first group with Zoe, it was more like just like anger feeling like disrespected.

Speaker 4 Where the second group, like the energy just dropped after that, their like after party was just like, okay, and I love how Grant walks in and he's like, Why is everyone upset?

Speaker 1 Well, everyone seems low vibes

Speaker 4 in front of us, yeah, because we're day three, and we all

Speaker 1 discard grinding on Carolina. Like, well, she was grinding on him.
Let's be to be fair, that's okay, yeah.

Speaker 4 He said, I couldn't go anywhere, she was straddling me, so I just had to do, you know.

Speaker 1 But Carolina seemed, her action seemed way more antagonistic than than Zoe's. Again, Zoe is this one like, hey, you asked, how long are they there? These women are there for hours.

Speaker 1 And Zoe was the only one who said, I'm going to pull you.

Speaker 5 I don't need a slam dunk competition.

Speaker 4 Yeah, that part I definitely respect. Her being like, fuck this fucking slam dunk.
Let's go talk about that.

Speaker 5 None of us are going to make these dunks anyway.

Speaker 1 Well, they really lower the hoop, but

Speaker 1 I'm just saying, like, she just, she, she took the initiative. She didn't commit any crime.
She didn't make out with someone in front of her. She didn't rub it in.

Speaker 4 What did you think of the

Speaker 4 one-on-one date with Alex?

Speaker 5 I can't believe they went to the Bev Center. When I saw that, I was like, are you kidding me?

Speaker 1 That was low budget. Are you kidding me? That's the worst mall in LA.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 I loved it. It's been one of, it's one of my dreams.

Speaker 1 I mean, the type of, I mean, we all, you, you've heard me talk just a few days ago. But like, take her to Century City.
Locked in a grocery store all night long. So it was giving like locked in a...

Speaker 1 a place where you have free reign. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You're not supposed to have free reign. That's giving fun.
That's fun.

Speaker 1 I was more impressed with her this date than I was with her night one. Okay.
Same.

Speaker 4 Same. She opened up.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I thought she's so cute.

Speaker 1 But she was really, I mean, she is goofy. Love that for her.
But she was all goofy night one. And like, I felt like she was a little more normal and down to earth and like chill.
Love the tats.

Speaker 1 I loved her outfit.

Speaker 4 Grant serenading her. Make coming up with a song on the spot.

Speaker 1 I just hold that right now. I'm

Speaker 1 hated it.

Speaker 1 President of the Grant Ellis Music Club for sure. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Mary was in the club when that was coming.

Speaker 1 It's a good song.

Speaker 1 We've listened to it. I like it.
He can beatbox. He is very musically talented.

Speaker 1 We're getting close to like.

Speaker 1 I don't care if you're John Mayer or Grant Ellis. You can't just like sing in public whenever the fuck and not make it weird.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 He did it a lot this episode. It was like he beatboxed over the intercom at the mall

Speaker 4 on the piano with Alex. He did it, obviously, with Mario.

Speaker 1 I'm going to need a week off.

Speaker 1 But again, there's no denying his musical talent, and I truly hope that his song goes number one.

Speaker 5 Yeah, you just don't want him to be like guy who brings out a guitar at a party.

Speaker 1 Yes, it's number two. And we're getting close to anyone need to be boxed.
And I don't think that's Grant's fault. I think those producers love a party trick.

Speaker 4 Who are your top runners?

Speaker 1 Top runners?

Speaker 1 Front runners?

Speaker 4 Thank you.

Speaker 1 Well, you were half right about Allie Joe. She's not really the villain, but she's certainly part of the drama.

Speaker 4 Well, we'll see. Listen, Latia, she's definitely top two.

Speaker 1 She won already.

Speaker 4 I think she's, she either. I think he's so torn between Latia and Juliana.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think we already know his final two. That's the one-on-one, right?

Speaker 4 No. No, no, Alex is one-on-one.

Speaker 1 Oh, I think he was.

Speaker 4 Juliana's the hand massage.

Speaker 1 He was rubbing them hands.

Speaker 4 Listen, he was like, you know what, baby?

Speaker 1 I'll take care of you. She's evil in two.
She's fantasy sweet.

Speaker 1 She's going home weeks or later.

Speaker 4 I think her and Latia are at the end. I mean, obviously.

Speaker 4 I don't think Alex is at the end. I think she's like maybe three or four, but like, I don't think, I think his final two are Juliana and Latia could be.

Speaker 6 Louie also might be.

Speaker 4 Everyone has

Speaker 4 your own opinions.

Speaker 1 These are my two.

Speaker 4 So you take your two.

Speaker 1 Since we teased Grant a little bit for his music singing, I do want to acknowledge that I thought he handled that conversation with Latia with like no notes, like A plus. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because it's a tough conversation. Like, you know, credit to Latia for like expressing herself.

Speaker 1 And like, you know, I mean, Grant, the night one, for those of you who don't remember, like he was like you're so beautiful like you must never hear no he's just giving a line he's trying to sweet talk her he's not trying to understand her like childhood trauma that triggered her she mentioned like she's heard no she's had tough breakup she's had heartbreak she's you she used that as a conversation as a launching pad to start opening up to grant about her personal story and he did not get defensive he listened he responded he didn't make it about him Like there has been several other bachelors in recent years that have like epically failed those types of conversations.

Speaker 1 And I think we need to give Grant some

Speaker 1 credit because he was as perfect as a response to a situation.

Speaker 6 I remember him owning up to it. And he was like, I just said that because I instantly saw that you were like pretty.

Speaker 6 And like, I just, I knew that you were going to be a temptation is what I took from it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but it's not what I meant. And I'm sorry for saying it that way.
And like, let's move on. It was, who was the, who was the bachelor who got COVID?

Speaker 7 It was Zach.

Speaker 1 Zach. Who is he lecturing? Forgot.
Like, he started yelling. Oh, yeah.
You know, Zach talking about how serious this is for him. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 Like, I think a lot of bachelors in this situation would take Latia, like, saying something like Gran is just like, well, if you think I'm not here for the right reasons, because I, you know, it's just like very easy to get defensive when someone comes to you and says, hey, you said something that kind of bothered me and hurt my feelings.

Speaker 1 And he didn't express any discomfort or like. any defensiveness.
It was, I don't think we, I don't think we highlight that shit like that enough. I thought, I thought he handled it fucking perfect.

Speaker 1 It was truly top-notch.

Speaker 7 It was Zach was lecturing Greer because Greer was comparing meeting like a sales quota.

Speaker 5 Exactly.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 there's this girl just trying to connect with this stranger. He's like, it's not like fucking work.

Speaker 1 Jesus Christ.

Speaker 4 So his first kiss, Alicia, went home, which I was like,

Speaker 4 I was genuinely surprised by that.

Speaker 5 Yeah, they seemed to really hit it off.

Speaker 4 Right. From like night one.

Speaker 4 Was that not his first impression?

Speaker 1 That's what you call good editing. No, no, Alex was the first impression.

Speaker 4 I wasn't surprised by Rebecca going home after that conversation where he was like, you know what? I'm going to pull Rebecca to find out why the energy in here is weird.

Speaker 4 And then she was like robotically speaking to him.

Speaker 1 She was, huh? Yeah, I noticed the editing.

Speaker 6 I was just like, maybe she, that's her cadence.

Speaker 1 It could be editing. It was tough to follow.
It was like...

Speaker 4 It felt like she was trying to get kind of deep. And he was like, I just wanted to vibe check.
Like, is everyone good in here?

Speaker 1 Like, what's going on? And her defense is like, did I fuck up?

Speaker 6 She was probably also like, I don't want want to be the one saying this, but you're making me say this. So I'm speaking robotically as I'm talking.

Speaker 4 The age-old, like, hey, is everything good in the house? And being the person to, like, give the T is the one to go home because they're starting drama.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's a tough situation to be put in.

Speaker 1 She's like, how do I answer this without slut-shaming Carolina and like making you feel like you're an idiot? And she's like, um, uh.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we're like here for, like, I'm here for you.

Speaker 4 And also, I think that he was like, you know what? There's only room for one musical talent in this relationship.

Speaker 5 Yeah, it can't be both of us.

Speaker 1 Well, credit to Latia too, who was just like, I can't sing, I can't dance, and I don't have to public speak. And I honestly thought she had the best performance because she wasn't trying to perform.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Where then,

Speaker 1 what was her name? Rebecca. Rebecca.
She's like, I can sing. And you could tell when she was singing, she was very nervous.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because like, you could tell, like, she was like, this is my moment to be good. This is my moment to shine.
I really need to deliver. And she like psyched herself out.

Speaker 1 Or like Latia was just like, I'm fucking the fuck.

Speaker 4 She was just like, I'm going to talk through this.

Speaker 5 Yeah, it was like like, she was just there having fun versus

Speaker 1 Rebecca was like joined by her.

Speaker 1 Is this correct?

Speaker 4 Did I see Lisa Vanderpump in the preview versus?

Speaker 5 Yes, they go to Vanderpump Dogs, it looks like.

Speaker 1 A little cross-promotion with Hulu

Speaker 1 and Vanderpump Villa.

Speaker 1 It's Rob Mills working overtime.

Speaker 4 And it says Hannah Berner.

Speaker 1 Sucks for us, though. Hannah Berner?

Speaker 7 Yeah, Hannah Berner was also in the preview.

Speaker 4 Let's go.

Speaker 1 Good for Hannah. I'm like, okay.

Speaker 4 Yeah, Mario, Hannah Berner, Lisa Vannerpump, they've really like upped their guests. They've lowered their budget for the dates and they upped their budget for the guests.

Speaker 1 They said, go to the festival. I'm just kidding.
I'm just kidding.

Speaker 1 No disrespect.

Speaker 4 No, it's definitely better celebrities than who have been there in the past.

Speaker 6 Well, last season was a wicked sponsorship the whole season. So

Speaker 4 a lot of the times when they have their like one-on-one dates, I do have to Google who's singing in the background.

Speaker 1 And no disrespect to, is it Allie Brewer? Ashley Brewer. Ashley Brewer.

Speaker 1 Seems like she's really great at her job, but I feel like those are moments to like bring in an alumni, which they've done before.

Speaker 7 But hey. I was surprised by Ella going home after she gave him that note.

Speaker 1 Why?

Speaker 4 Wasn't it?

Speaker 1 It wasn't a good note. I don't know.

Speaker 1 She's like, how to sing on an island alone. I'll tell you what.
Week two, I had a lot of girls give me some weird shit. And just like, I had one girl like do a sketch comedy thing in front of me.

Speaker 1 I just like sat there and watched. And like someone like reenacted a cheer.
It's a lot of weird shit that they're like just grasping at straws. You don't know any of these people.

Speaker 1 You're just like, great.

Speaker 4 They told me he purposefully was a bad kisser to someone that he just like stuck his tongue in and didn't do anything. Straight up.
No.

Speaker 4 Not the dead fish in the mouth.

Speaker 1 One time one of the producers was like, hey, I got a favor. I'm like, what? And they're like, they were trying to create something.
Uh-huh.

Speaker 1 I'll just leave it at that.

Speaker 4 You said I'll play it, but only my way.

Speaker 1 No, there's like, we, can you, just for this one person, I wasn't really into this person. I didn't care.
They're like, can you be a bad kisser? Oh.

Speaker 1 I said, sure, no problem all right then and i just remembered what get bad kissing meant to me which is like a dead fish yeah so i just opened up my mouth and just uh

Speaker 1 and and she looked we got done kissing and she looked at me and she gave me that

Speaker 1 and i was like all right well i'll see you later what's dirtier you doing that or them putting all the tall girls on one basketball team and all the short girls on another basketball team that was crazy although when we played basketball on uh andy dorfin season, they did that to us, and we fucking crushed them.

Speaker 1 Are you short?

Speaker 1 You're not short. I'm not short, but they like Bachelor Nation is very tall.
6'2, my height is average for that world. And they had like all the 6'2 and 6'5 guys.

Speaker 1 And I had like, I was the tallest person on my team, and we had a bunch of like shorter guys, but we had the one actual basketball player. So

Speaker 1 he won. He won.

Speaker 5 And you guys were there to support.

Speaker 1 And I kind of played unofficial coach. And I said, guys, they're not going to be calling follows.
Follow early, follow hard, and follow often. Yeah.

Speaker 4 And Allie Joe heard you. Yeah.
Allie Joe did.

Speaker 1 And so we just beat the shit out of the other team and let Brian make a bunch of buckets and we crushed him.

Speaker 6 Who was it that kept traveling in this episode?

Speaker 1 She just ran with the ball. Yeah, they're like, all right, three travels.

Speaker 5 It was great. I was like, you know what? The WNBA is not going on right now.
I miss this.

Speaker 4 Should we get to Salt Lake City?

Speaker 1 Let's do it. Yes.
I just want to say, I love you, Mary. You know,

Speaker 1 all the discourse, you know, people questioning her intentions and yada, yada, yada. It's just like, well, and it's really not your place.
But you cannot deny Mary's love for her child.

Speaker 1 And I think, you know, being a new parent, like we do our best to give River the best life. And I think it's incredibly vulnerable and brave of Mary to acknowledge that like.

Speaker 1 there was a lot going on that she didn't know and she felt responsible for that.

Speaker 1 And she's not some absentee parent, you know, she's not some like disconnected parent who just like decides to like all of a sudden give a shit, you know, about her son because she has a bunch of other things going on.

Speaker 1 She clearly is involved in her child's life. And despite that, still this happened and the scariness around that happening is a very difficult situation.

Speaker 1 And I think she is, you know, I think more than anything, what she brought awareness.

Speaker 1 to is the willingness to like sit down with your child, even if you feel that embarrassment, even if you feel like it's difficult, and like, you know, connect in ways that you realize maybe you weren't connecting with your kid to save your kid's life.

Speaker 1 Because I think a lot of times, if parents fuck up with their kids, they don't know how to handle it. So they don't do anything other than like clam up and like hope that things work themselves out.

Speaker 1 And Mary didn't do that. And I think it's a very brave thing for her to do.
And I think we should

Speaker 1 send her all our love. Because, yeah, that was just a touching moment in that episode.

Speaker 6 Yeah. I think Whitney sharing her feedback as well.

Speaker 6 And Andy adding the context of they have never really been friends before this season and her just being like, you sharing your experience has let my kids understand my father.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's actually helping people.

Speaker 5 I did shed a tear when Whitney like because you could tell during the entire conversation when Whitney was silent, she was like really, really trying hard to keep it together.

Speaker 5 And when she just broke, that was like, it was a, yeah, it was like really,

Speaker 5 really genuine.

Speaker 1 I really don't want to be over Meredith and Angie fighting.

Speaker 4 I mean, I think even Andy was like, what are we even doing here? This is so fucking pointless. He called it a huge waste of time, and Meredith was like,

Speaker 1 it was awesome. She took it personal.

Speaker 4 Yeah, she was like, excuse me, to you, but it's like, it's tired.

Speaker 1 I love her.

Speaker 4 But it is a huge waste of time at this point. It's like, and she, and Meredith wants to beat it down.

Speaker 4 She wants them to like play all the clips and give all the proof and like be, and she's just like, clearly Monica was like.

Speaker 4 Telling Angie one thing, telling someone something else, telling Angie a different thing, telling, you know, it's like, we, I mean, it's just crazy.

Speaker 4 Even with like Angie's husband and the podcast thing where she was just like, I have it on my phone. And they're like, well, we have it right here.

Speaker 1 And Angie is just like.

Speaker 4 It's completely different than what's on your phone.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 4 This person is literally leading Angie's husband, Sean, to answer a question and putting words in his mouth.

Speaker 4 The answer is given to him. So it's like he didn't do anything wrong.
He's just answering a question based off of how it was presented.

Speaker 4 But like he's not trying to call you any type of name or, you know, say that you're doing whatever with your son. Like that's not, that wasn't the point.

Speaker 1 When Meredith feels wronged, there is no limit to what she is willing to do to like make sure that people agree with her. Right.

Speaker 4 Storm out of the reunion. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I did not come for this.

Speaker 1 But her ability to navigate people coming for her, it's incredible. And her willingness to like discount everyone else's feelings because it's not valid to her.
It's a real something.

Speaker 6 It's really something. I am very much Team Angie, but I will say if I was in Meredith's position where someone was telling me we're going to play it, I would also be like, play the clip.
Play.

Speaker 1 Play the clip. I'm not telling me if you're not going to play it.

Speaker 1 I loved how Meredith handled that because that's the only way she was right herself in that environment is to like know your worth the merit meredith's like fire me or don't fire me i'm not

Speaker 1 saying one more thing unless i get this this and that and she clearly she got some version of her way i was like the only thing that didn't land with her was when she was trying to call out the list of names that she's been called on the show and they were like meredith you've said some pretty and those are the ones i can remember and then just play the clip of her being like you're vile

Speaker 1 i love her

Speaker 5 reading people to film Meredith's Mark's brain amazes me.

Speaker 1 Anytime we make lists of anything, I want it to end with, and those are what we can remember. Yeah,

Speaker 1 and those are what I can remember.

Speaker 6 The funniest thing is her list was like a lot of those weren't actually things she was called, it was things that she took from someone saying something.

Speaker 6 Yes, yes, like she took someone saying, Oh, I heard you puking as you call me bulimic.

Speaker 1 So it's like, okay,

Speaker 4 no one actually called you that. Also, when Andy was like, so-and-so wants to know if you, Seth, have a side chick in Ohio.
And the whole time, Eric is like,

Speaker 4 wait, what was the question?

Speaker 4 She was like nodding like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Wait, what?

Speaker 4 His answer to that, too, where he was like, what did he say?

Speaker 4 As long as marriage is above average, over 51% of the time, highly recommends commuting because he feels like you're going on your first date every weekend and his hand is a side chick.

Speaker 4 I was like, there's a lot of answers that were going on here where I'm just like, why don't you just say no? I don't have a side chick and I love my wife very much.

Speaker 5 Seth Seth is going to goof. If there's one thing about Seth Marks, he's going to goof.

Speaker 4 Which honestly is exhausting. Yeah, it doesn't land

Speaker 4 funny. As long as our marriage is at 51%.

Speaker 1 Who's your favorite husband?

Speaker 4 Todd.

Speaker 1 It's him. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Todd's no bullshit. I like a no bullshit man.

Speaker 1 I like Justin. I love Justin.
I like Justin Zwin. Yeah.
Yeah. I like Justin.

Speaker 5 I like Sean.

Speaker 1 Is that who's Sean? Angie. Angie.

Speaker 6 Oh, Sean's good too.

Speaker 1 I like Sean.

Speaker 5 Well, I like Sean.

Speaker 1 I don't know enough about him.

Speaker 5 I like the way he has handled himself throughout this whole situation with being called gay. Like he's, he's never like, how dare you say that to me? He's always like, you can say that to me.

Speaker 5 I just don't want it to seem like I would never, I would do that to Angie or Electra.

Speaker 1 Exactly.

Speaker 5 And he, you can tell he really, really loves her and he really loves his family.

Speaker 1 Also, it is weird when like kids, like, you know, all these women talk about these rumors and they spread the rumors.

Speaker 1 But like, yeah, it's like, it's pretty fucked up when you're spreading rumors that eventually make their way back to like your kids' school

Speaker 1 and shit like that. and uh

Speaker 1 it's some of them only seem to care about it when it's a rumor coming at them

Speaker 4 also hot take least favorite husband john me too i don't like john garland yeah i mean he was like telling toddlers

Speaker 4 watch his tone and i was like he's just as petty as his wife thank you also john never talks until lisa takes his mother he's a really supportive husband

Speaker 1 i'll give you that he definitely

Speaker 4 he is supporting his wife he is a die yes he is a diehard lisa like and thank you absolutely and you're right that deserves credit the only time i've ever enjoyed him was when he was parallel parking same and that was really funny he also looks like if john waters was straight which is funny i did not appreciate his response to whitney apologizing to him he was like okay sure i guess it's like she just like what do you she just like

Speaker 1 apologized to you she was like i didn't get a chance to like apologize because after the commercial break lisa turned around and said good boy

Speaker 4 also lisa meredith and heather on the couch together drove me crazy Like anytime one person said anything about one of them, all three of them started yapping at the same time, yelling at one person.

Speaker 4 And I was just like, shut your mouths. Each one of you can answer your own question.
Like you don't all need to be like, don't talk about each other.

Speaker 4 Like what I remember about last reunion with Monica was that it was so chaotic and not one person could speak that it was so hard to watch.

Speaker 6 Yeah, Sierra, am I wrong? Like correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember like the split screens and reunions becoming a thing when like Salt Lake City became bigger.

Speaker 6 Like they always had the little boxes of faces, but like split screens came about because they were always interrupting each other.

Speaker 1 So yeah. I also really loved this episode when Todd was speaking to Heather and he was just like complimenting her.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And it really like made me realize like both what I love about Heather and why I'm always frustrated with Heather.

Speaker 1 My favorite Salt Lake City season will be the season, if it ever happens, where Heather is top fucking dog. where she sits on her throne of like, you know, she stabs Lisa Barlow in the back.

Speaker 1 She stabs Meredith in the back. She's just like, I'm the, you know, Jen Shaw, fuck you.
She takes no prisoners and she figures out a way to like be the queen of Salt Lake City.

Speaker 1 And she starts like being, I think she was born to be like a leader. I think she was born to be a star, but she doesn't, she doesn't believe it in herself.

Speaker 1 She doesn't think she can be the leader of a group. And that's why she's always following the likes of a Jen Shaw and a Lisa Barlow.

Speaker 1 And I think if Heather just believed in herself, she would be a million times less insufferable when she's ever insufferable.

Speaker 1 And she's only insufferable when she's just like taking fucking orders from people who are less than her. Period.

Speaker 1 I think you read right into her.

Speaker 4 Well, what did you think of like the getting into the whole like emotional cheating of Todd and Heather being like, well, that's not what you said on the boat and like her trying to like poke holes in the story.

Speaker 6 The flashback supported what she said.

Speaker 1 Supported which one? Bronwyn.

Speaker 6 Rawin. Yeah.
Yeah. Like she never said anything about like.

Speaker 1 It was just kind of giving like Bronwyn trying to have a storyline and then thought she could, like, use this storyline. And then the other women were like, oh, shit, emotionally cheating.

Speaker 1 And then they fucking ran with this, like, rumor. And then Bronwyn was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 1 You know?

Speaker 4 I did think it was weird that Todd hadn't seen it.

Speaker 4 I'm just kind of like, if you're, because they did say that they're watching the episodes together and looking back at their relationship to kind of see what's working, what's not working.

Speaker 4 But I'm like, I think it's weird that y'all skipped over that episode specifically. And that, and that's coming from a Bron Wynn diehard, but I was like,

Speaker 4 and when Andy was like, so Gwen is the one who caught you, and he kind of looked like stunned and Bron Wynn was like, yes. Like, it kind of was like, he's like, I don't know.

Speaker 4 And then she turned back and said, you're okay. Like, you're okay.
And it was like comforting him, but like,

Speaker 4 the whole thing played out very strange.

Speaker 1 I feel like Bron Wynn, like. Yeah, I just, I think she was like trying to like, you know, open up.

Speaker 1 Like, that's the problem with like these women are asked and expected to confess like right to to share secrets because it's like if they don't share it someone else is gonna dig tea up on them and i think bron was kind of trying to control the narrative of this like tea and give her a little bit of like character arc and i think these women weren't here to play and we got the meanings behind the five diamond ring promises that he gave her after the did we buy that alleged affair well he threw in what they meant so and one of them was fidelity it's support love fidelity transparency, and taking care of Gwen was the five promises that he made to her after said event happened that he didn't say at their wedding.

Speaker 1 When you say fidelity, it's like, I know what you mean, but like infidelity is the word we always use. And it's like not that different than fidelity.

Speaker 1 I feel like we need a different word for like faithful. Loyalty.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's like, wait,

Speaker 1 did you say fidelity? Like, how?

Speaker 4 Did I promise to be unfaithful?

Speaker 6 I feel like it was clear, though, like, after their conversation, what actually happened?

Speaker 6 It was that he was, it was a co-worker that became more of like an emotional like affair if we use that word, but nothing actually happened.

Speaker 4 It made her feel uncomfortable, whatever was said in the text, but it doesn't mean that he was like, oh, baby, I'll see you tonight. Like it's not as, I don't think it says insidious.

Speaker 4 I just, I also just, I mean, obviously I'm. glad it came from Bronwyn and not one of the other women like trying to bring stuff up.

Speaker 4 I mean, clearly this was, I don't know, how many years ago, didn't they say? But like, clearly, they're good.

Speaker 4 Like, I don't think this is something that they're still working through, but it's like, there is part of me that's like, what was the point in Bronwyn bringing this up?

Speaker 4 It's like, for what, like, Gwen to watch it back and, like, kind of relive that, or for them to have to re-watch it and relive it, or for just like the world to know that, like, they are just like any other couple and they have struggled and they've had their ups and their downs.

Speaker 4 Like, I wonder what her motive was for sharing this with all these women.

Speaker 4 I'm still kind of standing by my theory that I'm like, and Bronwyn did say it in the last reunion, but it's like this, this fight, this need to be like best friends with Lisa and have Lisa see you and understand you.

Speaker 4 Like it felt like, because the only person she was really upset about not giving the proper reaction was Lisa.

Speaker 4 So it kind of feels like maybe even then, like, this was kind of like a Hail Mary in the sense of like, how can I get on your level? I want you to see me as a human.

Speaker 4 I'm not just married to this rich older man and have no depths or have no problem.

Speaker 4 So she, I think she was trying to like peel back the layers and hope that like her closest friend was going to jump on board with her. And instead, it was Heather, Whitney, and Angie.

Speaker 4 I think it probably would have gone more positive if that would have been a one-on-one conversation with the two of them

Speaker 4 with Bronwyn and Lisa. I was like, 100%.
And even then, I was like, Lisa was like, Todd's going to be so mad about this.

Speaker 4 So it's like, even then, she was like, you got upset because I didn't side with you because I was defending your husband.

Speaker 4 But at the same time, why are you bringing it up if we're not going to like dive into it? You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 Or the fact that Todd didn't watch a date back, it just still, it still bothers me a little bit. Cause I'm like, he does, he should know what was said.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Yeah.
I had been, I was listening to something about, there were people talking about Sundance, Lisa Barlow, obviously queen of sundance, and apparently

Speaker 5 self-proclaimed queen of sundance. And she was at Sundance recently.
And someone had gone up to her and been like, oh my God, I'm such a huge fan of Salt Lake City. It's like the best show, whatever.

Speaker 5 And she goes, what do you think of Bronwyn?

Speaker 1 Living on her mind.

Speaker 5 And that was like her first, her first question. So Bronwyn is definitely on Lisa's mind.

Speaker 4 And Mary did say that Bronwyn is a fan favorite because she's so open and vulnerable.

Speaker 1 And unafraid. Yeah.
Yeah. Doesn't need her money or praise or adoration

Speaker 1 or approval.

Speaker 4 I mean, she reads just very secure in every aspect of her life.

Speaker 1 Heather, if you're listening,

Speaker 1 you're capable of so much more.

Speaker 5 Sometimes I think that maybe Heather, do you think something with the whole black eye thing affects the way that Heather positions herself within the group and like within Bravo?

Speaker 1 I don't know. I feel like Angie giving us a little tea on what it was like to go to high school with Heather was the most informative.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Just talking about, again, according to Angie, Heather's like desire to always be around the cool kids, the popular kids, and she always was someone who kind of acted, not like also a popular kid, but someone who very much wanted to be one.

Speaker 1 And that made a lot of sense given how like Heather moves around like the Genshaws and the Lisa Barlows of the world, where she's always like second in command, she's always kind of doing their bidding.

Speaker 1 She's like, never, and again, Heather is, I think Heather's one of the smartest people in the group. Like, she's funny.
I love Heather.

Speaker 1 I just get so frustrated with her when she just does the shit she does.

Speaker 1 We finally watched Roni Reunion. Like,

Speaker 1 I don't even feel comfortable commenting on it's so toxic. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 4 I think, I don't know if this episode was was necessary. I mean, maybe the second one will be less toxic.

Speaker 4 I think the only thing that really stood out to me for this was the like proof of Bryn twisting Jesse's words about the love of her life.

Speaker 1 That was actually heartbreaking to me.

Speaker 4 That was really hard to watch of Jessel being like, I'm watching this with my husband and I'm having to be like, that's not what I said.

Speaker 4 And second guessing herself being like, did I calling somebody being like, did I say that? Yeah.

Speaker 4 And like Bryn just not really having any remorse and her kind of trying to make the excuses for it and jenna kind of having to like spoon feed to her why it was wrong while also kind of not condemning her but being like bryn that was really up what you did yeah and the fact that you knew that brought that to national television what are you thinking and she's like oh yes i'm sorry you know like you know it's not it's because that or you know and like always making an excuse for something so it's kind of hard with like obviously the context of what's going on with bryn too because you want to have empathy for her situation but i do think it's some sort of coping mechanism or something from her past past trauma to where it's like, the truth is whatever she believes it is.

Speaker 4 And it doesn't really matter what the original story was. Which I totally

Speaker 4 get from a like trauma background.

Speaker 4 It's just when it involves

Speaker 4 another

Speaker 4 person's like private life.

Speaker 4 You know, it's like, I get like the missing, you know, like confusing the truth with lies in her own life to like cope and keep herself like afloat during trauma, but then to like bring in other people and twist their words and make what they say.

Speaker 4 That is just where it gets hard to.

Speaker 4 It's kind of like Erin's words in like the finale, I believe, where she was just like, Yes, like you need to deal with your trauma and your trauma is correct, but it also doesn't give you the right to create trauma for other people.

Speaker 1 Right, totally. I just love the uh, what do you actually do? And she's like, nothing, crickets.
I do know she said, I do your job, I do never job.

Speaker 5 That's not an answer, though, which is not true because she does do PR for big oil.

Speaker 1 But why didn't she say that?

Speaker 5 I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 1 Like, the way every time I say something.

Speaker 1 And Sai is an influencer. I know, but...

Speaker 4 But I think PR in like this, I mean, clearly we saw it with Lindsay Hubbard. It's like definitely not something that she's been bringing attention to.

Speaker 5 She's been vocal about it on her Instagram.

Speaker 5 The way I found out, I found out from an Instagram post from Bryn in the first season because there were a lot of things of being like, what does Bryn actually do?

Speaker 5 She posted what she did, one of which of the things that she claimed to do in this Instagram post, and if you look it up, it's corroborated, is that she worked in the PR campaign during the BP oil spill.

Speaker 6 I do want to say I really appreciate Andy and Bravo giving Bryn the floor and then separating that from like the convolution of like women like. Totally.
feedback or whatever.

Speaker 6 Like she had the ability to say whatever.

Speaker 4 Did she say it was someone in their crew? No, she said it was somebody that she sees frequently who courted her for a while and that she still sees till this day.

Speaker 4 Like it's somebody like in her personal life that she knows.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so that's why she never wanted to like watch

Speaker 4 charges.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 4 No, it's heartbreaking. It really is.
And it like, it, it definitely explains a lot of her behavior.

Speaker 4 I think like when you're actively dealing with that and going through that and living through that, it's like it affects your behavior with other people.

Speaker 4 And like I can see how, you know, she's, she's acted the way that she has. But I think, yeah, Aaron said it perfectly of like, you can have your trauma, but don't make it for other people.

Speaker 4 Yeah, a hundred percent.

Speaker 1 This is gonna be triggering for you, Mary. I don't honestly,

Speaker 1 10 of Lions. I don't get it.

Speaker 4 Not her in her Balenciaga luxury bathrobe. She was gonna return.

Speaker 1 She's lovely. I love her.
But what? Like, what makes her so like? She's fab.

Speaker 1 Like, why do people fawn on her over her? I don't get it. Like, even Rihanna said she was her favorite housewife.
I mean, I get she's highly successful, but like, I don't know.

Speaker 4 She's just kind of that.

Speaker 5 She has the certain genesic

Speaker 1 genesais,

Speaker 1 maybe in person, but like not through the TV. I don't know.

Speaker 6 What is the saying where it's like, it's not for you to get fine?

Speaker 1 She's for the

Speaker 4 girls for the girls and the gays.

Speaker 1 I will absolutely go fuck myself. It's for the girls and the gays.

Speaker 5 She's for the girls in the gays. And she was even in an episode of Girls.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Play Hannah's boss.
Yeah, Hannah's boss.

Speaker 1 Yeah, definitely not for me. But like, what is she doing for you?

Speaker 1 She's every being and nothing all at the same time.

Speaker 6 She showed up to reunion in a bathrobe. That's luxury.
It's enough for me to be like.

Speaker 1 like, exactly.

Speaker 5 And when you do that, I thought it was beautiful because

Speaker 5 Jenna Lyons gives me hope that, not that I will ever be anything like or look anything like Jenna Lyons, but there's something about Jenna where I'm like, wow.

Speaker 6 I think if you know her background, you'll think she's iconic.

Speaker 5 Yeah, and I was wearing a bathrobe and a little bit of a broken. She made J.

Speaker 6 Crew what we like modernly know J. Crew as dress the president's like the Obama administration.

Speaker 1 And to be clear, I'm not critiquing her professionally. You don't get her as a housewife.

Speaker 1 Yes, I just like as a housewife. I don't get it.

Speaker 4 To be fair, I was like, all the girls did say that they were annoyed by the fact that she gets to pick and choose what she shares on the show.

Speaker 4 And I think if we did get to see a little behind the curtain, it would be a lot more.

Speaker 1 And then when she does something that's like kind of like giving slightly problematic, it's kind of giving, she's like, oops, I was a little embarrassed, but like, whatever.

Speaker 1 It's like, see, I love, I love that.

Speaker 5 You know, I kind of love like an ice-cold queen.

Speaker 1 It's more, I'd rather be like, yeah, I don't give a fuck. Yeah.
Rather than pretend the, I don't know,

Speaker 1 anyways.

Speaker 5 I understand,

Speaker 5 I can see and understand your criticism for her as like a television personality. I just am biased because I love her.

Speaker 5 So she could say nothing and I would be entertained.

Speaker 1 I'm clearly in the minority. It's just like, was this, I'm, I'm, I'm constantly being told that she is next to God.

Speaker 1 And I'm just like, I don't get it.

Speaker 6 What if I told you this? Jenna Lyons had her own reality TV show solo about her before Roni.

Speaker 1 I mean, good for her. I just, was it?

Speaker 6 Well, I think her personality carries within itself outside of a reality TV.

Speaker 1 Was it super successful? No, but you know, I think she should exist Project Runway. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 All right. Well, I think that does it for this episode.
We will be bringing back Bev Hills on Thursday. I mean, like, I don't know.

Speaker 1 We didn't cover it last week because of Hidden Spencer, but, like, you know, Doreen and Kyle still figuring it out. Once again, tomorrow, Carl Radke for an amazing going deeper episode.

Speaker 1 We'll see you tomorrow. Bye.