E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins

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Speaker 2 What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. Happy New Year to you all.

Speaker 2 I know I think we probably wished you a happy new year yesterday for us, Nick, but in case we didn't, happy new year. I hope you're all having a great 2025 so far.
I know we are.

Speaker 2 It's been great for us. I don't know.
I mean, Sierra, we haven't seen you since 2024. Has it been good for you? 2025 has been great so far.
Yay. Say more.

Speaker 2 I guess.

Speaker 2 The silence. I went to Whistler, Canada, had a beautiful beginning of 2025.
I had a nice little snow moment in a cabin.

Speaker 2 And coming back home, couldn't be more excited to see all your faces. Okay.

Speaker 3 Did you stay up for the ball drop?

Speaker 2 Yes. Yes, I did.
Far past. We stayed up for the New York ball drop.

Speaker 3 But on Western time?

Speaker 2 On Western time. Yeah.
So we kissed at nine. Yeah.
Which was romantic. It was romantic.
I posted a TikTok of it. I saw the black and white filter.
I love black and white moments.

Speaker 2 I think that was mostly because we were, didn't shower all day and like in sweatpants. Speak for yourself.
I was like you,

Speaker 2 well, maybe you were helping me out. I felt like I, I felt like in that video, you're like, oh, Nick looks a little rough.
So we're going to put like a black and white film.

Speaker 5 You were in New Year's rot mode.

Speaker 2 No, I was trying to. I was in rot mode.
Oh my god, yeah. No, I was just trying to be like aesthetically pleasing, like a black and white.
I thought it was because I was.

Speaker 2 I think we had like gone to lunch that day. We had like gone out, we'd left the house.

Speaker 2 Yesterday was like rough for both of us. She was romanticizing your rot.

Speaker 5 Oh, well, that's how you know it's love when you romanticize the rot.

Speaker 2 Yeah, well, we have a wild episode lined up for y'all. The very hilarious, very talented, very wonderful Heather McMahon is with us shortly.
Also, Emily Baker is returning shortly.

Speaker 2 She's coming up next because, as we now know, update Justin Belladoni did file a suit. At the New York Times.
It did seem like a lot of the Justin Stans

Speaker 2 who like last week felt, I don't know what they felt. Maybe they felt like, oh, we got it wrong or the tail between their legs.

Speaker 2 And it did feel like there was a lot of Justin stands loud and proud doing victory glaps over the weekend. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 We want to break it down with Emily. Obviously, we have our opinions of the case, but I want to bring on Emily first and just kind of ask her some questions, get her thoughts.

Speaker 2 We want to be as objective as possible. Obviously, we have our opinions, but I want to hear from Emily.
I'm not even sure what she has to say about it, what her opinions on the case are.

Speaker 2 So, we'll break it all down, give our thoughts, give our feelings. That will be up in just a few moments.
Also, the Golden Globes happened last night.

Speaker 2 Our friend of show, Nikki Glazer, crushed it. I'm really proud of Nikki.
Not that it really needs our

Speaker 2 pride.

Speaker 2 She killed. She killed

Speaker 2 hysterical.

Speaker 2 It was like a mix of like just the perfect amount of roast with like classy jokes and she kept it punchy and fun and good energy.

Speaker 2 It wasn't like too below the belt or like awkward or not funny or like it was just all like she won the room, which is the most important part.

Speaker 5 And Nikki was able to just like be vaguely recognizable enough to everyone that they're like, I kind of know that girl. And then she was like, I'm going to get down to your level.

Speaker 5 I'm not going to be too mean. I have actually watched these movies.
Yeah. And I respect what you do, but I am going to make fun of you and make an incredible Stanley Tucci joke.

Speaker 2 I watched her on, I watched her do some interview and it was like, you know, how do you like find the balance?

Speaker 2 And she basically was like, I like study these people and I become fans of them so that like the quote unquote roast comes from a place of love and not from a place of like, I can't stand this person, but of like, at the end of the day, I still respect you and love you and appreciate what you create.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 we're excited for her. She crushed it.
I texted her yesterday before she went on, and she wrote me back right away. I was like, Yeah, man, I'm texting her like three hours before she takes the stage.

Speaker 2 And I told her she was going to kill it and tell her we want her back on the show. And she was like, I would love to.
Spring, probably. She says, Oh, booked and busy.
Booked and busy.

Speaker 2 Nikki Glazer, I don't know. Spring.
Eventually we'll go to the next one.

Speaker 5 First time Golden Globe loser, Nikki Glazer, is booked and busy.

Speaker 2 Probably.

Speaker 2 She said, probably spring. So we have to.
Probably not. But last time, last time we texted, she said, yes, this summer.
And that was last winter. Oh, okay.
We're getting there. So we're getting there.

Speaker 2 At some point, the season windows are getting a little smaller and smaller. I think she's still one of our most returning guests on the show.
She's been on the crew of four times.

Speaker 2 It's been a while since she's gotten really, she's really blown up. I mean,

Speaker 2 you're welcome, Nikki Glazer, for the second day.

Speaker 2 Kidding.

Speaker 2 It's good to see her shine. Well, you know, who else who had their moment last night? Demi Moore.
And I couldn't be happier for her. Her speech.

Speaker 2 I could have cried for her. She was like, I've been in this industry for 40 years to finally get and for the substance.

Speaker 5 You guys need to watch the substance.

Speaker 2 Everybody should watch the substance. I don't know if I can handle it.
I did watch Finally Wicked.

Speaker 2 It's a powerful movie. It's good.
Isn't it so good?

Speaker 2 For someone who could give a fuck about singing. Yeah.
It was very good. That makes me so happy.
And the ending was very powerful. It was hard not to get choked up.
The war cry? Oh, it was good.

Speaker 3 Wait, so you watched it at home? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 6 Did you buy it or rent it?

Speaker 2 We bought it. I mean, it's like a $2 difference.
different.

Speaker 2 It's like a $5 difference.

Speaker 5 My mom bought it. I was very happy.

Speaker 2 I anticipate River watching it. We tried to get her to watch, and she was like,

Speaker 5 she wasn't holding space.

Speaker 2 She was not holding space, but I was. It was good.

Speaker 5 Yeah. You get it now?

Speaker 2 It's very, it's a, it's well done. What did you can't deny it's ten?

Speaker 3 What did you take from it? Like, what is the message of Wicked?

Speaker 2 I don't give a fuck about the message.

Speaker 2 I'm so tired of movies and their message. I just want to watch a movie, turn my brain off, and just are they good at singing? Are they not good at singing?

Speaker 2 We did both. As soon as the the movie ended, we looked to each other and we were like, Where is the Glinda? Alphaba, Glinda, Alphaba.
Come to find out. That's just a fucking TikTok dude.

Speaker 2 Oh, it's not even real. Now I'm singing it.

Speaker 2 Come on, where is the part? Now he's like, I'm thinking, that's a catchy tune. I can't wait for that to come on.

Speaker 2 Then it did. And we're like,

Speaker 2 did we miss it? And Nick was like, I think that's in part two. And I was like, there's a part two.
He's like, they filmed it all.

Speaker 2 I've never heard of this alleged TikTok song at all, ever. I just heard it from my wife.
And I'm like, sounds catchy.

Speaker 3 You guys are singing, I'm a witch and I'm a witch.

Speaker 2 Literally, I'm like, it sounds like that's because she was giving the backstory to the rest of Whoville, right? No. Where is it? Ozzy.
Munchkin Land. Munchkin Land.

Speaker 5 Munchkin Land is a region in Oz.

Speaker 2 Yes. So

Speaker 2 she's giving the backstory. And I was like, this is a perfect time for them to go into We Were Roommates back in school.
Glenda's awkward. Or Glenda's hunt.
Whatever. You don't know.
You got it.

Speaker 2 You're on it.

Speaker 6 She's like wrapping the narration.

Speaker 2 You just watched the long form version. It could be Lynn Menu.
I watched the

Speaker 2 extended.

Speaker 6 Maybe it was a deleted scene.

Speaker 2 And Ariana Grande was very good.

Speaker 2 She's very talented.

Speaker 2 Absolutely. We kind of missed her or her ex-her new boyfriend's ex-wife over the holidays wrote a very

Speaker 2 expressive piece. Oh, yeah.
It kind of flew under the radar. Well, I think it got maybe a little bit.
I think Helen kind of outshined it.

Speaker 2 Well, I I think it got maybe a little buried by to get buried by other

Speaker 2 headlines.

Speaker 5 That situation to me just seems like a very particular relationship that like nobody actually knows about, and everyone's just assuming a lot of things. And people love to

Speaker 5 assume a lot of things about Ariana Grande and have for a very, very long time.

Speaker 2 I think you just love that. She's so good at singing.
No, but also I think in

Speaker 2 these type of scenarios, it's like the story, the made-up story that people come up with is always way more fun than

Speaker 2 the truth. Yeah, which is like basing it off of

Speaker 2 what's what's what's what's his ex's name? Like her story was it's Ethan Slater and Dr. Lily J.
Lily J's story was it was it was tough. It was a tough read.
You read it? I read some of it.

Speaker 2 What were some of the key takeaways? It's a sad story.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 She never thought she would get divorced after giving birth to her first child and the shadow of her husband's new relationship with the celebrity, but that they're both still dedicated to co-parenting their son.

Speaker 2 But her essay was about like, how does divorce make you feel? Sad. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 5 It was just, it's, it's sad.

Speaker 2 The joke of it, unfortunately, is about musical theater kids in the sense of like, they went off for two years to go film this movie. Yes.

Speaker 5 And it's like, of course they fell in love.

Speaker 2 Of course you fall in love with the first co-star that comes your way. Like, I don't know.

Speaker 2 But, and I don't know how true it is, but it's just very true to like high school and like musical theater communities.

Speaker 2 And they kind of, they kind kind of followed the recipe without with Ariana Nathan. But if everyone, it is what it is.
It's not my business.

Speaker 2 You guys are so nervous. It was just our shit.
No, it was. Like, I don't know.
It is what it means. It's all our business.
It's just something.

Speaker 2 I just don't think it's awesome.

Speaker 2 We're staying out of it. We're staying out of it.

Speaker 5 No, my take on it is like, I don't know.

Speaker 2 Theater kids. I don't know.
They're songs. I don't know what you're supposed to do.
It's like they had two years. What are you going to do? Like, I don't know.
Like, oh my God, people get divorced.

Speaker 2 I don't know. It's one of our fucking business.

Speaker 5 No, I just think I should be more mean to Ariana Grande for no reason and assume a lot of things about her.

Speaker 5 And I think if you can critique her for anything, it might just be for having kind of bad tasting guys. But I don't think she's this like evil home wrecker that people make her out to be.

Speaker 5 And I think it's been going on her entire career.

Speaker 2 But there is a bit of a,

Speaker 2 yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 5 but then it's also a narrative that's been put on her, and she obviously doesn't really want to talk about it.

Speaker 2 It's a great movie. It's a great movie.

Speaker 2 It's a great movie.

Speaker 5 Yeah. And I think she slays.

Speaker 2 And they won won Best Blockbuster new category at the Globes.

Speaker 2 So congrats. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Congrats to Wicked, the Substance, and Conclave.

Speaker 3 And Gypsy Rose Blanchard here.

Speaker 2 They birthed her baby. Gypsy Rose.
Congratulations, Gypsy. Congratulations.
And Ken sent us a message shortly after Gypsy gave birth and gave Nani a little inside tea.

Speaker 2 We knew about it. before y'all did.
So we shared that moment with them and we felt very lucky to do so. But very, very happy congratulations to Gypsy and Ken.

Speaker 3 On her one-year anniversary of being released.

Speaker 2 That is crazy that she gave birth on the day she got out of prison last year. Like, that's crazy.

Speaker 3 Is that the universe, or is that induce me right now?

Speaker 2 Universe. You think she was like.

Speaker 3 Well, what are the odds that it's on your one-year-old?

Speaker 2 You know what I mean? Exactly. That's crazy.
Listen, it's hard to be induced for your first pregnancy. It's hard.
Usually they want you to, like, go. until you go into labor.

Speaker 2 Either way, congratulations to Gypsy and Ken and to their beautiful family. Yeah.
Nicole Kidman says the secret to her successful marriage to Keith Urban comes down to two bathroom appliances.

Speaker 2 We have a double shower, the double-headed shower key to a successful marriage, and separate commodes in their bathroom. And I couldn't agree more.

Speaker 2 I think it's important to at least have a door in front of your toilet. 1,000%.
But also like... I mean, if you're lucky enough to have two toilets, great.
Well, I don't.

Speaker 2 I mean, I don't know for all the movies that we watch where they just normalize shitting in front of your partner. I don't understand why people do this.
What movies are you watching? I don't know.

Speaker 2 There's always like a

Speaker 2 lot of, I don't know, there's a lot of TV shows or movies or whatever that there's a scene between a husband and wife. And there's always like someone's like sitting on the shitter.
Someone walks in.

Speaker 2 The toilet? Come on.

Speaker 2 Well, when a man's sitting on a toilet, I'm assuming he's not peeing. I don't know.
It's always like a guy sitting on the toilet. You know, I don't think he's just tucking it just to take a pee.

Speaker 2 I don't know. It's not too much for you.

Speaker 2 I mean, you just don't speak like this. And now all of a sudden you like woke up and decided to start calling it the shitter and saying shitty.

Speaker 2 I find it as ironic that you're coming at me right now for this. You say bathroom.
I do. I do.
I say, I'm going to go. He's trying something new.
I say, I'm going to the bathroom.

Speaker 2 I'm not going to talk about me. Okay.
I'm just calling a spade a spade when you're watching these shows. Jax Taylor, for example, loves to go to the bathroom with the toilet or the door open.

Speaker 5 Well, he's a menace to society.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 what am I saying wrong? I just don't love calling a toilet a shitter. That just feels like very aggressive.
Unfair to toilets. Well, it's like

Speaker 2 other things happen in there. You throw up in there, you pee in there, throw up or you plus tampons in there.
Tampons in there, some do, some don't.

Speaker 2 You know, we can start that up again if we feel like it. Well, men sitting, fine, I'll be specific.
I don't want to normalize men sitting on toilets in front of their partners. Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 2 I think you're talking back about the based on a true story show that we started watching where Kaylee Cuovo walked into the bathroom.

Speaker 2 One example of a scene in a show where they are just like, they want you to think this is normal behavior. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And we need like people like Nicole Kidman to give like relationship advice, which is like, just shit by yourself. Keep some element of mystery.

Speaker 2 It works wonders in relationships. I love how when people try to be like, no, well, we're just like that close.
That's how close we are. And it's like, good for you.
Talk to me in two years.

Speaker 5 Keith Irving did not write the song somebody like you just for Nicole Kidman to watch him shit.

Speaker 2 Also,

Speaker 2 someone like you.

Speaker 2 It's like when you have a tummy ache, ache i'm just like you know i'm like you also the double shower head i mean we are taking a page out of that book for the lake house nick was like we need 14 shower heads 14 well when we were that i will say i mean we're gonna have some fun because we are remodeling so it's a lot of like it's it's like choose your own adventure we're very you know so it's a lot of i've never done this before so they call it selects you get to pick whatever you want so we're picking our our master bathroom and then i'm like yeah i mean sure like kyle and then they were just like well which showerhead do you want I'm like, well, I guess I want this showerhead.

Speaker 2 And they're like, but then you can have like these walls. Wait, I'm like, wait, we get this is the moment of my life.
Body jets.

Speaker 2 Wait, this is the moment of my life where I kind of always imagined like how many shower heads I would have if I got to build my own shower. Like, this is that moment we're in right now.

Speaker 2 And they're like, yes, only, yes, I want walls and jets, and I want it coming up from every angle. I want to walk into the shower and just be blasted with water from every angle.
Pummeled.

Speaker 2 Absolutely pummeled. Absolutely.

Speaker 2 The only reason I'm standing up is because the water pressure from the other side is keeping me up from the side of the auto that's trying to blow me over.

Speaker 5 You should put a slip and slide in there.

Speaker 2 I might. I might.
Anyways, we're very excited. That's a car wash.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 So super fun. Yeah.
We'll have lots of showers.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Shout out.
Shout out. And Cole Kayman.
Thanks for the very

Speaker 2 baby girl. She's the baby girl.
I need to see that movie, but I will not go to the movie theater to watch that movie. That feels wrong.

Speaker 2 And that feels like not a movie where people need to be like sitting beside strangers. And I've never seen it.
So I don't know what goes on.

Speaker 2 But I did hear our good friends Erica and Scott say that they went to the movie theater to watch it and there were people around them like making noises and like groaning. Absolutely.
Like moaning.

Speaker 2 And they were like, I feel like that's those things. You don't have to do that in the comfort of your own home, not at the AMC.
They were just like,

Speaker 2 I don't, you don't need to reenact. But yeah, they were.

Speaker 3 I will say newsflash for people doing things in movie theaters is they are cameras inside of the actual theaters.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 3 So they can see everything you're doing.

Speaker 2 I wish you would have told that to Teenage Me. What?

Speaker 2 Well, they might have.

Speaker 3 Well, no, yeah, they probably had cameras back then.

Speaker 2 I don't know if they did. Yeah.
Middle school, where like the last three minutes of the movie, you'd roll over and start making out with your middle school. Last three minutes.

Speaker 2 Lots of questions. I'm sorry, you horny kids who are making out the whole movie.
I wanted to get my money's worth first.

Speaker 1 I've never.

Speaker 2 I was like, I spent $5

Speaker 2 movie. I gotta watch the mask.

Speaker 5 I sit my ass down down and listen. Exactly.

Speaker 2 No, mine was a we should go and get like snacks. And then it was like, let's make out by the door.
Oh, by the door.

Speaker 2 I felt like the people watching the movie didn't need to see a couple of teenagers like making out.

Speaker 2 So I, we, we took it to the hallway.

Speaker 5 So like you would see baby girl if you saw people like Mickey Allen the hallway after.

Speaker 2 Okay. I don't need to see anyone doing anything in a movie theater.
That is why. Is this like NC17 rated? What is this baby girl rated? It's an erotic thriller.

Speaker 5 I don't know.

Speaker 5 I feel like it's like people used to see horny movies all the time and now horny movies are such a big deal i don't know yeah it's rated art the headlines make it seem like it's very erotic um i've seen like people talking about reviews and they were like it is very very spicy i don't know there's a new sky for era song in it so that's exciting who

Speaker 2 oh she returned singer she is she did return sky for era is that how you say your last name for era something yeah all right well uh as we mentioned at the top of the show justin uh belldoni is now now suing the New York Times, and he filed a complaint with a lot of receipts.

Speaker 2 There were definitely a lot of text messaging threads and things like that.

Speaker 2 So, like last week, we have Emily Baker with us to break it all down and

Speaker 2 just kind of tell us what's up. So, let's bring on Emily.

Speaker 2 Hello, hello. Oh, hello.

Speaker 2 Long time no chat, Emily. How are you?

Speaker 6 Oh, it's been too long. The law doesn't stop

Speaker 2 i know well

Speaker 2 i wish it would because honestly we recorded last week it was new year's week we took some time off as many people did it's over the new year's break and then justin filed his suit so anyways here we are we wanted to bring you back emily i've read all three complaints so i am curious just first question what is your first like overall takeaway of Justin's lawsuit against the New York Times.

Speaker 2 Now, how do you see the story as a whole, having read all of the complaints?

Speaker 6 I mean, first lawyer thoughts were interesting that they're filing this in California.

Speaker 6 That was my initial thought with this, because now we have the California lawsuit against the New York Times by Baldoni et al.

Speaker 6 We have the employment law complaint from Blake Lively. Then we have Lively's lawsuit in New York, and then we have the PR company's lawsuit in New York.

Speaker 6 So we've got two filed lawsuits in New York, one filed lawsuit in California, and one pending litigation regarding employment in California.

Speaker 6 So that was the first like interesting choice to sue the New York Times in California.

Speaker 6 Then it was a, hey, these are screenshots of text messages, not a celebrate extraction of text messages, which is interesting because they're saying things were, you know, left out, things were cherry-picked.

Speaker 6 And of course, in a complaint, things are going to be cherry-picked, as I'm sure they've done with theirs.

Speaker 6 But the heart of that is that they are are suing the New York Times, saying the New York Times defamed them.

Speaker 6 And when you're dealing with public figure defamation, they've got to prove that the New York Times was reckless in misrepresenting the truth.

Speaker 6 And that's why they've got the false light and the defamation in there. But that's why they're leaning so heavily into the text messages saying, look, there was more context here.

Speaker 6 They used a lot of this defamation suit to fire back at Lively's allegations.

Speaker 6 I think when you read it, sometimes you can forget that the New York Times is really the target of the lawsuit because it uses a lot of the lawsuit to talk about both Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds, which is not surprising given the statements that the lawyer made saying they're going to counter sue and they just filed their own suit in California that's going to face some jurisdictional hurdles before we even get off the ground.

Speaker 2 I've read some things out there, both people who are pro-Justin or pro-Blake, speculating that.

Speaker 2 Justin and his team really want to fight this in the court of public opinion and that filing in in LA seems to give them a chance to do that because the implication was they'll never win this case against the New York Times.

Speaker 2 And they seemingly know that. But to your point, they really want to get their version of the story out.
And when they want to release these screenshots and text messages, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 2 Do you see it that way? Or how did you interpret that?

Speaker 6 I mean, all of the lawsuits that we've seen so far serve a public relations purpose as well, right? They are all written with quite a lot of screenshots.

Speaker 6 You can write a very bare-bones complaint, and I've covered cases like that too. These are not bare-bones complaints.

Speaker 6 These are very driven, very much telling a side of the story, but both complaints do that. It's not just this complaints coming in doing that.
Everything we've seen has done that.

Speaker 6 What's interesting is that in the Baldoni against the New York Times lawsuit, they actually filed a notice of errata, which is a very formal legal way of saying, hey, we need to change a few things.

Speaker 6 And they took out some of the text messages that were in the original filing saying that they were asked to remove them due to reporter privilege.

Speaker 6 And I was like, somebody was unhappy with how this got filed and exactly what texts were in there because the legal team immediately followed a or filed not a retraction, but a remedy for some of those in the Los Angeles court, which was interesting.

Speaker 2 Make sure I'm understanding you. Justin's original complaint that he filed against the New York Times in the state of California has since been changed?

Speaker 6 Has since been amended by his legal team. And the notice was, hey, some of these things are covered by privilege and we were asked to remove them.

Speaker 2 Do we know what those changes were? I can pull it up.

Speaker 6 It was page 14, 16,

Speaker 6 and one of the other ones. What was hard to tell with some of these text messages is who they were talking to because they did put in like editor one, editor two.

Speaker 6 And so they already redacted some of the information out, but there were several pages that they removed messages on.

Speaker 6 Page 14 was one of them, and that is multiple screenshots with somebody named Leslie Sloan. And then there was page 16 and another page as well.

Speaker 2 Leslie Sloan, I believe, is Blake's publicist, if I'm getting that right. I saw a lot of things online, especially for people who seem to be supporting Justin.

Speaker 2 A lot of statements like his complaint has way more evidence. I saw that a lot.
It's like, oh, he's got way more receipts. Speaking to the number of alleged, I guess, screenshots.

Speaker 2 How did you compare the quote-unquote evidence in these complaints? Is that even an accurate description of them? Yeah. And so is it a matter of more versus quality?

Speaker 2 You know, how did you see the evidence that was laid out in both complaints?

Speaker 6 I, especially when we're at the complaint stage, look, lawsuits are allegations in shade. You can't be sued over what you say in a lawsuit for defamation because they are privileged documents.

Speaker 6 People are going to lay out their side of the story in the light most favorable to them.

Speaker 6 And I always look at it through that lens is, does this paint things in the light most favorable to the person telling the story?

Speaker 6 The number of text messages doesn't persuade me one way or the other because there is so much that we don't know.

Speaker 6 The reason I think they put in so many is because their argument against the New York Times is they had all this information, so they skewed the story and they did so recklessly, which when you're talking about public figure defamation, you've got that extra element versus people who are not in the public eye.

Speaker 6 So they have to show that the New York Times went above and beyond to recklessly disregard the truth.

Speaker 6 So they're going to put all of that in there to show that the New York Times is disregarding the truth.

Speaker 6 It serves the dual purpose of also responding to what is in Blake Lively's complaint and taking aim at that.

Speaker 6 And the complaint Blake Lively filed in the, not the New York one, but in the California Civil Rights Board that we talked about more thoroughly was just showing a base level of what the complaint is to the California board.

Speaker 6 It wasn't, I mean, it also showed the public that because it was given to the New York Times, but we know that there are thousands and thousands of text messages.

Speaker 6 So there's much that we as the public don't know on either side, but I never total up and be like, well, you put 10 in your complaint, you put 20.

Speaker 6 So that's more because it's everything is going to be cherry-picked in the light most favorable to the people who are showing it. And I think.

Speaker 6 both complaints are a good reminder that there are going to be multiple sides to any story in a lawsuit. And this is a long way from done.

Speaker 6 But Baldoni's team has picked a fight with a very difficult plaintiff. I wonder if we will see them filing the counterclaim that they had talked about to Blake Lively's New York lawsuit down the road.

Speaker 2 And what would all that mean?

Speaker 6 Suing the New York Times in California is going to be difficult. They might not even get to discovery on that.

Speaker 6 New York Times is going to make challenges regarding venue, like, hey, you can't sue us in California. This isn't the right spot.

Speaker 6 New York Times is going to make arguments of maybe, hey, this is slap protected, which when you get into anti-slap lawsuits, it's strategic litigation against public participation.

Speaker 6 Those laws are very strong in California.

Speaker 6 They run hand in hand with defamation because those lawsuits are to stop someone from speaking and the New York Times can say, we're just giving appropriate comment.

Speaker 6 You don't even get to go to discovery. So the lawsuit might end before it begins.
That can be a year and a half, two years of litigation before the litigation even really starts.

Speaker 6 of determining either jurisdiction or if it will get thrown out early on in the proceedings. So that lawsuit is a difficult road in California.

Speaker 6 It would be difficult in New York too, because New York has really strong laws protecting the media and reporters. So

Speaker 6 the plaintiff being the New York Times is a good vehicle to tell the story about Blake before they file a counterclaim against Blake Lively.

Speaker 6 But I don't know how far it's going to go as to the New York Times. And I don't know if they even

Speaker 6 want to get to discovery about the New York Times. That's going to be a very expensive and difficult and protracted litigation to fight in California courts.

Speaker 2 I mean, I guess anyone can sue anyone for anything, but you predicted last week, you accurately predicted that their initial claim wouldn't be against Blake.

Speaker 2 It would be an entity like the New York Times or the publicity firm. What made you suspect that? And what do you predict Justin's lawsuit against Blake would be if he eventually files that?

Speaker 6 I don't know if I have to predict too much about what they're going to do next because even in this complaint against the New York Times, they said this is the first of numerous lawsuits.

Speaker 6 So when it comes to the lawsuit with the PR team, I think we'll see a counterclaim there for breach of contract, breach of confidentiality, breach of non-disclosure.

Speaker 6 We've already seen hints of that in this lawsuit where Baldoni Wayfarer et al., all of the plaintiffs are saying, look, our PR person had a non-disclosure and shouldn't have disclosed these text messages.

Speaker 6 Was it disclosed? to a proper subpoena.

Speaker 6 A lot of NDAs do have a clause that say, with proper legal process, you can be forced to turn over certain documents, but you have a duty to protect those as much as you can and not turn them over.

Speaker 6 So there will be a fight with the PR team in some way, I suspect, whether it's over how those text messages were gotten or whether it is a breach of conduct, breach of contract, breach of NDA with them.

Speaker 6 Will he file a counterclaim against Blake Lively?

Speaker 6 It's possible, especially with the allegations that these meetings didn't take place the way that Blake Lively said they did and that Justin Baldoni said he felt attacked and harassed by Ryan Reynolds.

Speaker 6 I don't know if he'll try to bring that in as a intentional infliction of emotional distress type of a claim or whether it will come in as breach of contract claims saying that Lively tried to take over the production and that was a breach of contract.

Speaker 6 So him and the production studios will counter sue her in New York, which we could see as well.

Speaker 6 I don't think we're done with things being filed and we are going to be probably in these lawsuits for a number of years. I'd be surprised if we weren't.

Speaker 6 The New York Times is going to fight like hell over discovery because they don't want to turn over all of their conversations.

Speaker 6 I imagine on the lively side, they are also going to fight over discovery. And there's going to be a big fight with PR on how all those text messages got turned over.

Speaker 2 Wow, fascinating stuff. Have you just, I mean, obviously you've broken this down very well from a lawyer standpoint.

Speaker 2 What opinions have you formed reading all these complaints in terms of how do you see what's going on?

Speaker 6 Again, I think it highlights that you don't know how A, different people perceive different things, but not everything said in Blake's lawsuit is portrayed differently in Baldoni's lawsuit.

Speaker 6 Some of those text messages are portrayed the same way.

Speaker 6 So when you're trying to sue the New York Times saying you skewed it, the New York Times is going to come back and say, well, there's two interpretations of anything.

Speaker 6 They're trying to say, oh, there's a. emoji missing.

Speaker 6 It's like, well, normally in Celebrate distractions with an emoji, you would see like a square box or a placeholder, but that depends on what version of Celebrite you're using and what version of the iOS the cell phone has.

Speaker 6 Like, is that the gotcha moment of the world?

Speaker 6 No, it's probably explained by the way that the Celebrite extraction happens.

Speaker 2 And what is it for the people who don't know what that is, what is that? Because I didn't, you know, when I'm reading this, I was wondering, is that a big deal that these emojis are missing?

Speaker 2 They certainly wanted to make it seem like it was. But then I was asking, you know, why are some of these messaging looking green and why do some of these look like it's iOS?

Speaker 2 So it's just the tool that they're using to extract these messages?

Speaker 6 The messages in Blake Lively's complaint that we have seen come from a data extraction tool from those cell phones.

Speaker 6 So the cell phone from the PR company was digitally extracted with an extraction, forensic extraction tool that we see in all kinds of cases that I cover, criminal cases, civil cases, what have you.

Speaker 6 Those are thought to be more secure, but sometimes there are quirks in the way things download.

Speaker 6 And those are normally explained by the person who downloaded them saying it's a known issue that emojis download as a square box or not at all, depending on the version of Celebrate and the version of the iOS because iOS is update all the time and the software takes a little bit more time to update.

Speaker 6 So that's why the ones in Blake's suit look different. You can always tell with the Celebrate because it has additional information.

Speaker 6 It doesn't look like a screenshot, where the Baldoni text messages are clearly screenshots of text messages put into the lawsuit.

Speaker 6 They are not a forensic digital extraction at this point, though I'm sure they'll get one.

Speaker 6 But screenshots can also be changed because you can go onto your phone and delete or unsend messages and then take a screenshot of it. So can things be manipulated both ways? Yes.

Speaker 6 The only way to really answer that is to have the physical phone and the extraction and compare them all together. which will happen in discovery very far down the road.

Speaker 2 While reading Justin's complaint and then comparing it to Blake's complaint, there were certainly some moments in Justin's complaint that seemed to attempt to address some of the accusations in Blake's complaint.

Speaker 2 The denial from the PR agency saying, well, this wasn't our story. That wasn't our story.
It seemed to want to address the accusation that they had a smear campaign.

Speaker 2 And then there was the whole like pumping and things like that. But there also seemed to be a lot of other instances and accusations from the Blake complaint that...

Speaker 2 weren't addressed in Justin's complaint.

Speaker 2 The text messages that had the entire scope of work from Melissa Nathan and Jennifer Abel that was in Blake's complaint that like talked about their rates, rates, talked about the strategy they wanted to implement, talked about the importance of not being discovered, talked about the importance of this all flying under the radar.

Speaker 2 How did you see it?

Speaker 6 Well, they're serving different purposes. So I really treat the two separately.
Yes, in the court of public opinion, they are both trying to serve a narrative.

Speaker 6 And again, complaints are written to paint the picture that is filing the complaint for the person filing it in the light most favorable.

Speaker 6 They are also trying to show specific instances of where the New York Times got it wrong. So they're not going to point out the things that are a closer call or the things that don't help them.

Speaker 6 They're going to say, hey, you said we did this and we're planning all these stories. And here's a text message saying we weren't.

Speaker 6 And New York Times, you had those and you disregarded the truth in this and painted this false narrative.

Speaker 6 So it has to serve for Baldoni, it has to serve that purpose of supporting the lawsuit that they're filing. But they also put in a lot of, see, our story in the media is true.

Speaker 6 Blake did take over production. Blake did cut Justin out of these things.
There were tensions that aren't explained by the harassment and the alleged retaliation in the lawsuit.

Speaker 6 All of those things aren't true. And the New York Times disregarded all the things that proved that they weren't true.

Speaker 6 And the New York Times is going to come in and say exactly what you're saying, Nick. Well, there's two ways to interpret that.

Speaker 6 Just because you were invited into a trailer once while somebody's pumping. doesn't mean that you also didn't walk in when you weren't invited at another time when someone was breastfeeding.

Speaker 6 Those are different things. And this is why these things are going to take quite a while to parse out.

Speaker 6 But when you look at lively suit, the HR stuff is the most interesting really to me on that should be well documented. Lots of people were at these meetings.

Speaker 6 The Baldoni suit seems to say, no, we felt strong armed. And so we had to agree to these things that we don't really agree with.

Speaker 6 And that back and forth, I think, is going to play out across several lawsuits if they file a counterclaim in the New York suit. So how do I see all of it?

Speaker 6 We're just at the tip of the iceberg with all these parties pointing the finger at the other one.

Speaker 2 That's, that's where we're at.

Speaker 2 I want to talk timeline a little bit because I feel like in Justin's complaint, it was a lot of screenshots and text messages with no like date, no like when this happened.

Speaker 2 I guess they just don't include that to what favor. his complaint or favor her complaint.

Speaker 6 It's interesting the way they edited some of the text in that they tried to track who was having the conversation. So we don't see the names.

Speaker 6 And it might be that those were phone numbers and they redacted out phone numbers by covering over them with black boxes and telling you who it is.

Speaker 6 Those are all things that are going to have to be brought to the court. Screenshots aren't going to do it.
There's going to have to be digital extractions and those will have the dates in there.

Speaker 6 But yeah, some of those texts are very vague as to time when they are.

Speaker 6 But the purpose of those being in here is, see, the New York Times said they had it because in the article, the New York Times said, we reviewed thousands of text messages.

Speaker 6 And this complaint is saying, well, did you review this one? And if you reviewed this one, don't you know that what you're printing isn't true? Because this exists.

Speaker 6 So they're trying to point out those instances of, well, if you reviewed this, how do you come to that conclusion?

Speaker 6 And I think the other side of that after reading the other complaints is, well, we don't know when that is.

Speaker 6 And then there's questions to be asked of all of the lawsuits, really, is how did all the parties perceive what was going on?

Speaker 6 And that's why civil lawsuits can get very ugly, very fast, especially in the court of public opinion, because you read read Blake's suit first or the complaint that was released by the New York Times first, and then you read Baldoni's.

Speaker 6 So it's easier to say, well, what about this? What about this? What about this? Where if those had dropped in different order, then you would be looking at Blake's suit vis-a-vis Baldoni's narrative.

Speaker 6 So when the first one drops, it's easy to kind of check the first one against the second one instead of the other way around because of the timing of which they dropped, which the first person to sue definitely has an advantage.

Speaker 6 And that is a strategic choice. Baldoni's lawsuit's not wrong when they said these weren't public documents and they were given to the New York Times.
They absolutely were. It's just by who?

Speaker 6 We know for what purpose. And Blake's team is going to say, well, right, because you've been running amok on social media with a campaign destroying her reputation.
So we had to do something.

Speaker 6 And his team's going to say, we were just acting responsively. Of course, we had to do something.
So the truth is going to be somewhere in the middle.

Speaker 6 I think somebody should just release all of the text messages. I'll go through them.

Speaker 6 I mean, you know, know, if any of the attorneys want independent review of the text messages, just release them all.

Speaker 2 I imagine there's a lot more potential evidence than just text messages. I mean, even Justin's lawyer said, hey, we want to release all the messages between him and Blake.

Speaker 2 You know, there's also witnesses potentially involved here, especially when it comes to Blake's complaint. I assume it's also just not about the text messages.

Speaker 6 There's a lot we don't know. And with HR process on a film set, there's clearly HR process on a film set.

Speaker 6 But this is why things have to go to court because you have the text messages, for example, example, in Baldoni's lawsuit saying, oh, yeah, you know, the editors felt this way or that way.

Speaker 6 Well, they can say one thing to Baldoni in text messages because they still would like to work with him in the future, though that might not be what they say if they're testifying in a deposition or in court.

Speaker 6 So that's why these things have processed to go through court because just because you say it in a text message doesn't mean it's necessarily 100% true or it's what you're thinking.

Speaker 6 And that's what Baldoni's suit was trying to point out. Hey, saying, you know, this was a great piece with the upside down emoji, that means sarcasm.
I don't know. Does it? Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 6 Does it not mean sarcasm? Does it mean like, look at us, we've turned the world upside down? Who knows? But that's, that's why this is the jumping off point before people go to court.

Speaker 6 And that's why our court process works in questions, because then it's asking the editor. So did you say this because you want to still work with Wayfair?

Speaker 6 Did you say this because you want to work on the next movie? Did you say this because this is how you felt?

Speaker 6 Did you say it because you would like to work with Ryan Reynolds down the road or Blake Lively? Like, why did you say these things?

Speaker 6 And also the things people will say in text messages they think are never going to be seen is very different than what they might say under oath.

Speaker 2 Or is it possible that someone sent a text message assuming it might be seen? I only say that because, like, Nathan and Abel are text messaging back and forth saying, well, this story wasn't us.

Speaker 2 I can't believe they thought the story was us. We learned from, again, some of these other text messages that we saw, the importance of not being seen or not looking like they were sending messages.

Speaker 2 There were also messages talking about we can't have people reading messages from Justin asking us to destroy someone.

Speaker 2 Is it entirely possible that they sent messages back and forth to each other denying an activity that they could have been guilty of? So it looked like they were denying it.

Speaker 2 I mean, that's also possible.

Speaker 6 Absolutely. And the timing of that, that's where the timing of the text becomes important because what we saw in the Jones work lawsuit is that that relationship was deteriorating.

Speaker 6 So were those text messages happening as that work relationship was deteriorating and they thought their boss was disagreeing with how they were doing things.

Speaker 6 There's layers of that question too, knowing that there was also the Jones work part of it with a work relationship with the PR agents that was deteriorating and the allegations of, you know, some of the publicists planting a negative story about Joneswork and then Joneswork saying they were stealing clients.

Speaker 6 So if you know that your boss can see your text messages and your boss doesn't agree with what you're doing, are those also maybe not for public cover, but for work cover?

Speaker 6 And you just don't know without A, the timing of all of it and B, the entire story, which we clearly don't have because there are multiple sides to any story, which is why when you cover the law, you've got to look at, you've got to look at the initial allegations and go, what are the questions here?

Speaker 6 And will they be answered down the road? And that's how I approach all of the lawsuits. What questions am I left with from Blake's complaint? What and lawsuit now in New York?

Speaker 6 What questions am I left with from Baldoni's? and what's not being answered. And I think, you know, you guys asked some great questions.
What's the timing of these text messages? Who are these two?

Speaker 6 What phone was Abel using for these? Was it the work one? Was it the new number? When did this all start to go down?

Speaker 6 And was this after Blake had raised the red flags about being concerned about what was going on with the other PR team? What was going on in the media at that time?

Speaker 6 And you can't know without the dates on those things.

Speaker 2 What did you make of Justin's lawyer going on the Today show and having that little interview where he says Justin 100% never wanted to to hurt Blake, but we do have the screenshot of Justin sending the Haley Bieber text tweet thread saying this is what we would need to do to hurt.

Speaker 6 I think Brian Friedman is a very media savvy attorney. So I'm not surprised that he is going to continue to support the things that we have seen.

Speaker 6 Here's where you see the good and the bad with media savvy attorneys. Brian Friedman's statements have been 100% consistent across the board.
His initial statement is mirrored in this lawsuit.

Speaker 6 His statements in the media are mirrored in this lawsuit. He is very good at staying on message, and he has done that incredibly well.
So am I surprised that he said that? No.

Speaker 6 Is that going to come back to really impact him? Not really, because he's advocating for his client in something that's very public.

Speaker 6 And he's going to continue to say, yeah, but they made it public first by disclosing an administrative complaint that never would have seen the light of day to the New York Times.

Speaker 6 So I'm not surprised by that at all. They are on the legal slash PR fight with this because of that New York Times article, which I don't doubt was damaging.

Speaker 6 That's the one thing that I don't think is going to be hard in this lawsuit with the New York Times is to show there's been some reputational damage.

Speaker 6 The New York Times will turn around and say, you did it to yourself the same way that Baldoni is turning around looking at Blake Lively saying, well, you did it to yourself.

Speaker 6 So it's going to be a lot of finger pointing and we will see what shakes out. What juries find persuasive oftentimes is the third parties.

Speaker 6 So what's going to matter in these lawsuits the most is what the other people on set had to say, what the reps from Sony had to say, what people a little more removed had to say.

Speaker 6 That's really what's going to turn the tide on this if it ever sees the light of a trial. But even in depositions, those will be the critical voices in this lawsuit.

Speaker 2 Kind of like we talked about last week, too. It's just like, we'll see who, who has the most support.

Speaker 6 And we've seen publicly. quite a lot of support for lively though faldoni's team made a point of putting in text messages that were incredibly supportive of him.

Speaker 6 And I don't think we've seen, again, we've been on break.

Speaker 6 I don't think we've seen anyone in the media coming out and saying, yeah, those text messages were supportive because this is what's going on on set, unless I missed it, which is entirely possible.

Speaker 6 Whatever happened on this set, it wasn't great. And I think that that much is clear that this movie didn't go down the way anybody thought that it would when they undertook the filming of this movie.

Speaker 6 So it'll be interesting to see how that moves forward with a sequel.

Speaker 2 Now that Justin's complaint is out there, the main narrative against Blake is really just all about she was difficult, she was hard to work with, she was doing this.

Speaker 2 And that really seems to land with a lot of people online. You know, why do you think that is?

Speaker 6 It's so interesting because I was recently watching a TED talk with a study that was done, I think at Columbia, where business students, master's level business students were given a brief on a company.

Speaker 6 And it was a female CEO and they had changed the name. Half the class got the female CEO's name and half the class got a male version of the CEO's name.

Speaker 6 And then they asked for perception on how the company was run. And then they asked questions of likeability, would you work for this person? How effective are they in the role?

Speaker 6 And the exact same case file when it had a female indicating name was, this isn't somebody I want to work with. This is somebody who's too aggressive.
This is somebody that pushes too hard.

Speaker 6 And when it had a more male name, it was, this is somebody who's a strong leader. This is somebody who I would want to work for.
This is somebody who does what needs to get done in business.

Speaker 6 So there are a lot of really societal undercurrents when women step out of a more traditional role and aren't maybe as soft public facing and show up a bit stronger.

Speaker 6 And I don't think Blake Lively's not soft public facing, but when women do, they tend to be chastised for it a lot more than men when they exhibit the same behavior because the expectations of women are different.

Speaker 6 So saying a woman is difficult, people are like, yeah, she she must be real difficult.

Speaker 6 And it might be that she just asked for her workplace workplace to be an appropriate workplace, which isn't a difficult request, but I don't know

Speaker 6 how many of y'all in the room have been called difficult because you've like set a reasonable boundary or just asked somebody to not do something that was inappropriate.

Speaker 2 So, yeah, I mean, it really seems to be landing with a lot of people online. If you're believing Justin's side, a lot of the arguments are, you know, she took over the project.

Speaker 2 She, you know, just her ego is so big. And I'm thinking, well, if you believe her side, then that explains why she would have taken over.
It would have explained why she brought her husband in.

Speaker 2 It would have explained why her husband is upset, is upset and defending her. Like, if you believe that these allegations are true, that explains why Blake did what she did.

Speaker 2 If Blake was difficult to work with, it doesn't explain his alleged behavior. And that seems to be a huge disconnect on my side of things.

Speaker 6 Also, are there A-list celebrities that aren't a little bit difficult? And is it difficult? Or is it just, hey, I've got boundaries to do the work that I need to do? I don't know.

Speaker 6 I don't work on film sets, I work for myself, but I just have questions.

Speaker 2 I also think it's like, as women, I think it's very rare for us to feel 100% safe.

Speaker 2 One thing I said in our vows, I say it to Nick all the time, it's one of the biggest reasons why I love him so much and why I wanted to marry him and have children with him is because he makes me feel safe.

Speaker 2 I feel safe, I feel protected. And I think as women, that's something that, you know, we look for, we, you know, feel comfortable in.

Speaker 2 And I think a lot of times it's not natural to us to be, to feel safe, right? Walking to our car at night, having a jog, going to check the mail.

Speaker 2 Like there's just a lot of easy places where you don't feel safe. And I think Justin,

Speaker 2 for me, sold the idea to Blake that he was safe. and that he would create a safe environment.

Speaker 2 And he sold that idea to her and then switched it and completely made it unsafe and her uncomfortable, went against her trust and just like did all of these things to completely flip the script and it's like that's why it's it's very jarring for a lot of these justin fans to believe any of this is because he's like sold this as his brand of like i create safe spaces for women and clearly you know he didn't and i don't know that's that's the hardest part for me he's saying that he did and so that's where that's where that push-pull is he's saying no this there wasn't harassment there's not retaliation that this is her scheming really to take over the project.

Speaker 6 And that's the underlying of their complaint. Look at what she's reaching for.
She wants the producer guild designation. She's she's plotting with her and her husband.

Speaker 2 But how does he explain all the other cast and crew who complained against him?

Speaker 6 And they're saying in their complaint, and this is again, going off of their complaint, they're saying that there was only one other complaint.

Speaker 6 So that's what they said in their suit against the New York Times, that there was one unverified if it went to HR or not, but one complaint of ageism by a crew member.

Speaker 6 They said that's the only complaint they have. Again,

Speaker 6 that's going to be pretty easy to prove whether there were or if there weren't. That's going to be something that's not difficult to bring to light.

Speaker 2 There'll be other witnesses

Speaker 2 if they proceed with this.

Speaker 6 And there will likely be process and emails and conversations and people who can come forward and say, yes, I did make this complaint.

Speaker 6 I think where that's really difficult in Hollywood is that when the industry can be so incredibly small, especially for crew, that coming forward to complain

Speaker 6 in a deposition with your name attached can be difficult down the road to look for work. And I think people are very mindful of that.

Speaker 6 Everything that went wrong on this set, it seems, is going to play out in court. And we're going to have to wait and see what happens.
But yes, not everything in Blake's complaint is addressed here.

Speaker 6 But again, they have to respond to what the New York Times knew and did, not to what Blake is saying in the employment lawsuit.

Speaker 2 I guess we will all see how it plays out. I mean, I'm obviously with Natalie.
For me, it's just like to believe Justin's side of the story.

Speaker 2 You have to assume that two people, Blake and Ryan, who generally have been fairly private people up until now, shortly after giving birth to her fourth kid.

Speaker 2 And I only say that because usually parents who are like parents who have young childs are promoting like peace and tranquility and all that stuff.

Speaker 2 But you have to assume around this time, instead of doing that that and like maintain their relatively private lives in the messiest possible way, they decided to hijack and take over a project and basically get a bunch of co-conspirators be willing to make false accusations, get a bunch of people also to stand by those accusations, get Sony to also stand by those accusations.

Speaker 2 Or that Justin Beldoni, the guy who made his whole platform about highlighting, promoting, you know, using your privilege and identify your privilege so you use that privilege to highlight women as a co-founder of the company that owned the rights of this movie when had the opportunity to hire the director of the movie, hired himself.

Speaker 2 And then you just have to think that maybe the guy who claims to be

Speaker 2 the guy that he is isn't the guy that he is. But who knows?

Speaker 2 We might be wrong.

Speaker 6 I'm going to be interested to see. I mean, one of the things I talk about with lawsuits is to follow the money.
Where is the benefit to Blake Lively?

Speaker 6 And they've dragged Ryan Reynolds into it too, by saying that he, you know, went off on Justin Baldoni in a meeting. But where is the benefit to them? Like, does Blake Lively need a producer credit?

Speaker 2 Like, is that this is all over an alleged producer credit? Like, they were willing to put it all on the line.

Speaker 6 Yeah. Like, so I'm

Speaker 2 making the money. Do you want to make these accusations? I maybe, I guess.
I don't know. It just seems like, like, why?

Speaker 6 It'll be interesting to see what happens with the California civil rights complaint. We now know that Blake Lively's filed in New York.

Speaker 6 We've got the PR filing in New York, which is going to be a very intricate legal mess. And then we've got this filing against the New York Times.

Speaker 6 And the New York Times is going to spare no expense to fight this either. So I imagine we will see an unearthing of more information.
And we're going to really have to wait and see.

Speaker 6 But I always, you know, who benefits and how? Where is the money and why? And trying to parse the middle. of this somewhere.
And two things can be true at once.

Speaker 6 If Blake was setting boundaries on the set that they found difficult, then maybe they found it difficult. But does that mean that Justin Beldoni came into her trailer at times uninvited? Maybe.

Speaker 6 Does that mean there were other times when he was invited? Maybe. Does that mean that the New York Times lied about all of this? Maybe not.

Speaker 6 Because when you sue the New York Times, if they say there's two interpretations, is that defamation or is that opinion?

Speaker 2 Also, to your point, it's kind of perception too.

Speaker 2 In Justin's complaint, they showed a screenshot of the alleged birthing video that in Blake's complaint described as very aggressive, very kind of maybe not for work content.

Speaker 2 And in this screen, it's just a screenshot, but it looks very artistic. It looks very well done.
But there's clearly a, you know, there's Jamie Heath. I assume, maybe he has some swim trunks on.

Speaker 2 I don't know, but he appears naked in a small pool with his wife, who's also naked, giving birth. And yeah, artistic maybe.
But like, it's a video.

Speaker 2 So you're assuming like, I don't know, maybe some people might be cool with that.

Speaker 2 Other people might like not appreciate their male coworker showing them a video of their wife giving birth while they're all naked in a small pool.

Speaker 2 Like, and what's interesting is like Justin's complaint is basically making the argument, this is all normal, which I find fascinating because it's like, well, I guess if you think this is normal, what else do you think is normal?

Speaker 2 You know, and this whole argument seems to be whose versions of normal are more normal in a way.

Speaker 6 And I mean, as to the New York Times, it's going to be, is it defamatory or are there reasonable interpretations, which is why defamation is going to be so difficult in this particular case.

Speaker 6 But yes, it is going to be a, well, if you're preparing for a birth scene on a movie set, is it normal to review other people giving birth?

Speaker 6 Or do you look at a woman who was a few months postpartum and be like, ah, you've done this four times. You've, we, we trust you.
Like, do you just let it let it go?

Speaker 6 Or do you, does somebody say, hey, what's the inspiration behind this scene? So it's. Again, what's normal in a real life workplace and what's normal on a movie set is going to differ wildly too.

Speaker 6 And that's going to come down to what's industry normal. And we saw that in the Russ litigation.
What is normal on a set and what's not normal on a set?

Speaker 6 And is this appropriate for this particular workplace? And Blake says no. And Justin says yes.

Speaker 6 And not knowing the rest of the context of the video, we don't know other than for me, it just seems seems odd that you would need her to see a video of birth that she didn't ask to see after just giving birth for the fourth time.

Speaker 6 I feel like.

Speaker 2 To convince her to do it nude, I can also confirm because I've saw the movie, it's not a water birth. So also the part about like the

Speaker 2 calling her trainer to ask about her weight and apparently because he has back problems, is there an orthopedic doctor out there that says do not lift anyone who hasn't lost their baby weight out there?

Speaker 2 Or is it just like a, I mean, it just seems ridiculous, but again, that's just me. I don't know.

Speaker 6 No, no, you'll find an expert who will come in and say that.

Speaker 6 You will find an expert that will be paid by one team that will 100 come in and say that that is needed to do stunts however i would imagine that the that the solution on set would be well then we need a stunt double though what we've seen in lively's complaint is that there wasn't a scene in the movie that called for that so then it's is there a scene in the script that calls for that is there not so you know who they'll bring in they'll bring in the script supervisor to a deposition that'll last two and a half days to talk about what is and is not in the script.

Speaker 2 And why couldn't you

Speaker 6 bring in a stunt double?

Speaker 2 If there's a scream about mental health, you get to call my therapist and check in with him. Like, huh?

Speaker 6 No, there's a thing about mental health. Do you know what they do? They send you to a therapist hired by the other side.
And then that therapist gets to give an opinion.

Speaker 6 And then your side hires a therapist.

Speaker 6 And then your therapist gets to give an opinion, but only if you put your mental health at issue in a lawsuit by claiming that you have suffered emotional distress.

Speaker 6 And that is why the process is so difficult because it then goes to forensic psychology. And we saw days and days of battling experts in the Depp Heard trial with forensic psychologists.

Speaker 6 Because if you put that in issue in a civil suit, then yes,

Speaker 6 the other side gets to pick who you're evaluated by, and then you get to pay for it.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 2 Emily, thank you so much for breaking this down. I'm sure we'll ask for you to come back.
We'll continue to follow the story as it continues to unfold. Wild, wild stuff.

Speaker 6 There will be more.

Speaker 6 I say with everything,

Speaker 6 keep an open mind and ask the questions. Just when you evaluate lawsuits, just keep asking questions of all of the lawsuits.
What questions does this leave me with?

Speaker 6 And will those questions be answered? And then work from there. That's how I work through lawsuits.
And I think it generally serves you well.

Speaker 6 If you want to, if you want to ask all the questions, ask all the questions of all the sides and it'll shape somewhere in the middle.

Speaker 2 To me, questions that haven't been answered, the text messages between Nathan and Abel talking shit and verifying Justin's behavior, that hasn't been addressed.

Speaker 2 The scope of work that Nathan and Abel sent to, well, Nathan sent it to Abel, who was working for Justin, the whole scope of work.

Speaker 2 Like, why does a PR team cost $25,000 a month when any other PR team, I think a high rate is like eight or 10 tops for your top publicist? So like even that seems a little fishy. Like why?

Speaker 2 And, you know, stuff like that, that's not answered.

Speaker 2 A lot of other questions that I'm still unsure about.

Speaker 6 but were the subpoenas lawful subpoenas or did the PR agent from Jones work just be like, sure, here's the cell phone.

Speaker 6 How did how does Blake's team know the statement that was allegedly made at the premiere about I'll pay $100 million?

Speaker 2 Here is what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 I'm really curious who heard that and how that all came to light.

Speaker 6 Also, the rest of the context of these text messages, because again, they say the text messages are missing context. Well, I've got one page of a screenshot.

Speaker 6 What happened four screenshots before it and four screenshots after it? And we're just going to have to see.

Speaker 2 And I've got dates and times in one and then everything's washed out from the other. So yeah, we're missing so much.
It feels like.

Speaker 6 So we will, we will definitely see, but not anytime soon. People are going to want a resolution on this one by like February.

Speaker 6 And this is, this is years of litigation, unfortunately, that's just beginning to unfold.

Speaker 2 Well, because isn't Justin also filing a countersuit, which I would assume would be in New York.

Speaker 2 So I'm like, if there's still more lawsuits being filed, are we going to get a court date for each individual thing? Or are they all kind of contingent on each other?

Speaker 6 That's a great question.

Speaker 6 In California, the California lawsuit won't have a trial date till 2027 or later, but there will be a lot of pre-litigation or early stage litigation with the New York Times and Baldoni in California.

Speaker 6 So stuff will move forward in that with a trial date 2027, 2028. In New York, it won't wait on what's going on in California at all because it's been filed separately.

Speaker 6 Again, the choice for Lively to file the employment suit in California, then file the lawsuit in New York is interesting to me.

Speaker 6 And we might see a countersuit filed by Baldoni in that New York lawsuit and in the Jones Work, New York lawsuit.

Speaker 6 And then those will all go through separate court processes because Lively's is filed in federal court in New York, which will probably move the fastest.

Speaker 6 Jones Work is filed in state court, New York, which will go slower, but not as slow as California. Baldoni's is filed in state court in California.

Speaker 6 And then Lively's in California is still in the administrative proceedings. So there are four different things in four different courts, and they're not going to hinge on each other.

Speaker 6 They might allow them to coordinate discovery for like depositions, but we're maybe a year away from those things being even scheduled. Wow.

Speaker 2 Wild stuff. Emily, thank you so much.
We appreciate it. As always, please let my audience know where they can find you.

Speaker 6 Absolutely. The lawnard app at lawnardapp.com is probably the best way to stay in the loop with everything I'm covering.

Speaker 6 I am on YouTube streaming Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, unless there's court like this week where I will be streaming the Supreme Court hearing regarding TikTok on Friday.

Speaker 6 So if you're interested if TikTok is getting banned or not and what questions the Supreme Court, none of who probably use TikTok, who had to ask like their grandchildren what TikTok is.

Speaker 6 and what questions they have, that will be on Friday. So YouTube at the Emily D.
Baker is going to keep you all up to speed.

Speaker 2 Well, thank you very much. I'll be texting you and asking you because I also am interested.

Speaker 6 I will let you know what the questions are from the Supreme Court.

Speaker 6 Lots of things happening in the law sphere with this break. I thought everybody would take a break over Christmas.
They're like, Christmas Eve, lawsuit, New Year's Eve, lawsuit.

Speaker 2 There we go. True.
As always, we appreciate you, Emily.

Speaker 6 Good to see you. All right.
Bye-bye. Bye, guys.

Speaker 2 Wow. Well, we love Emily breaking it down.
I mean, you guys know we're, you know, for the people out there who are just like, why don't you like, we obviously, we wanted to cover the Justin thing.

Speaker 2 It doesn't change my opinion about the story. Like I said, talking to Emily, I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt, Blake.
That is.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think it's interesting that everybody jumped right back to Justin's side as if it was like they just couldn't be wrong.

Speaker 2 But I think that like what Emily said about keeping an open mind is so important because like Natalie mentioned, like Blake could have been comfortable with Justin in the beginning, and that's why she invited him into her trailer when she was pumping.

Speaker 2 She could have been covered up at that moment.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, also, you just have to, like, to believe his side, you have to assume that Blake and Ryan are willing to throw their entire careers away over this for what, a producer credit?

Speaker 2 Because, like, their egos are. I mean, I guess that's possible.
I mean, it's possible. That's why they did what.

Speaker 2 Also, knowing this will take years. Sure.
Yeah. But it's just like, why is it so hard to believe that this guy might have been a creep? You know, like,

Speaker 2 he did, the man did a TED talk.

Speaker 2 about the importance of men recognizing their privilege in order to elevate women. And then when he had a chance to hire a director for this movie, he chose himself.

Speaker 2 To me, there's just a huge disconnect.

Speaker 2 I also think, I mean, going to like Emily talking about that, like, woman and man boss thing.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 Going into that,

Speaker 2 I think that ties into also, like, Blake and Ryan have very similar senses of humor. And people find Ryan hilarious and they find Blake annoying.
And it's like,

Speaker 2 it's just.

Speaker 2 Like, people over the weekend were arguing, they were arguing about how mad a husband can get when defending his wife. It's like, huh?

Speaker 2 It's just like the headline I read was like Ryan Reynolds berated Justin Baldoni for fat shaming his wife. Like, well, I would fucking hope so.

Speaker 2 If someone fat shames me and Nick's like,

Speaker 2 I would be like, the fuck? Like, you better throw it in. Like, huh? Yeah, over the weekend, like, the Justin stands were like, oh my God, I can't believe he would show up to the workplace like this.

Speaker 2 It's like, the guy was...

Speaker 2 If, again, if, if you just are willing to believe some of her accusations, then wouldn't you, you know, the whole argument, like, wouldn't you, like, what would you have done if you were working with someone who was doing this?

Speaker 2 Wouldn't if you were married to someone who also like successfully made movies, wouldn't you lean on them?

Speaker 2 I don't, I mean, I agree, but as I said, it's unfortunate, but the inherent misogyny and it's easier for men to hate women. It's easier for women to hate women.
You see it all the time.

Speaker 2 Who leaves nasty comments on women's Instagram photos? Typically not men. Well, we will continue to cover this story.
We'll see how it goes. Maybe we'll all be totally wrong or we're not.

Speaker 2 But we'll continue to follow it. Up next, we have the hilarious Heather McMahon with us to talk all things bravo and just her life.
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Speaker 2 All right, well, before we get to our very special guest, Heather McMahon, let's catch you all up to speed on what has been going on on the reality TV Bravo front since we've been on break.

Speaker 2 A lot has been going on. Brittany is finally with her man.
Jared Husband.

Speaker 2 Which I'm a little worried for our girl, but she's secured a second season. She has secured a second season.
And I got to respect that. I think he is only committing to her now because she

Speaker 2 got so popular on the show.

Speaker 2 It is giving, she's a star now. Because remember in the beginning, he was very much like, fuck this bitch.
I'm the reason she's on this show.

Speaker 5 We just go to Costco together.

Speaker 2 We're not like that. Never will.
Storyline. Yeah, he literally posted that.
It was like an unwarranted rant, if you will.

Speaker 5 I hate him.

Speaker 2 But do you hate? Do you hate to love him or you just like hate him, hate him? No, I don't think there's any love. There's no love.

Speaker 3 I mean, the one scene of him and Brittany sitting down talking was giving power dynamic.

Speaker 5 He's just like skeevy and slimy, and he makes me the like hair on my back and mine crazy.

Speaker 2 And it's also like what you're choosing to post on your own social media shows me that that's who you are in real life

Speaker 2 more so than like what we see on an edited reality TV show.

Speaker 2 So it's like the fact that he, well, this whole thing that we're talking about shows that like we see that he's texting her like, I love you, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 2 And then he goes on social media and tries to air out and be like, she's nothing. I'm the reason she's on the show.
She's using me for a storyline. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 2 Are some kind of mean things to say about someone.

Speaker 2 And it's definitely given, like, now that she is a big reality TV star, it's definitely given, like, now I'm going to give you what you want so that he can maintain control of the relationship.

Speaker 2 And I feel like it's going to be a lot of him, like,

Speaker 2 well, now I'm dating you and I'm doing this. And this is what I need from you to still be in this relationship.

Speaker 2 And like, I'm, it's going to be a constantly, you know, Jared's just like securing his position of power.

Speaker 2 I was going to say it's securing status and finally seeing her at his level because while she was embarrassing herself, that's when he was releasing this, that is not my girlfriend. She's using me.

Speaker 2 And now everyone's like, team Brittany, or at least find her hysterical. And now it's like introducing my beautiful girlfriend.
She's an angel. I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 5 He presents to me as a little mini John Jansen, housewife chaser, power hungry.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.
I see a little JJ in him for sure. Yeah, he's a, he's a housewife chaser.
Yeah. What is going on with Jennifer Aiden in Jersey Mike's?

Speaker 3 I know, but I wish I didn't know. Basically, she was at an airport, Jersey Mike's.

Speaker 2 Do you know which airport? Got to be LAX. That Jersey Mike's right there in the Delta.

Speaker 2 I'll look into it, but basically, I thought it's LA.

Speaker 3 Well, so she basically, from what we know, and we'll go through the different sides of that, she ordered her sandwiches with her family.

Speaker 3 She made changes to the order, and then eventually they were like, look, you have to get back in line to like replace orders. So she whipped out her phone and starts recording the employee.

Speaker 2 Oh my god.

Speaker 2 But what kind of substitution after you order requires you to get I'm assuming getting a whole new sandwich or changing like the bread or the actual recipe or something.

Speaker 2 They're not being like, hey, no olive oil. They're being like, hey, actually, no provolone, add this, add that, add this, put this on it and add that.
Whole new sandwich. You're also at the airport.

Speaker 2 So it's also chaos.

Speaker 5 Jersey Mike's, which is so streamlined of the options that you can put on that sandwich.

Speaker 2 You know, I haven't been to a Jersey Mike's in a minute, so I'm not familiar with their ordering process. You should watch her video.
She'll catch you up to see.

Speaker 2 She brought out the video, huh?

Speaker 3 So she's, yeah, she's recording that.

Speaker 2 I really thought she was in there. You really, yeah.
I always get a kick out of those, like, people bring out the videos because in that moment, you know, that person thinks they are so right. Yeah.

Speaker 5 You know, she was like, I'm from Jersey. I know what the sandwich should be like.
How dare you?

Speaker 3 Yeah, how dare you. So she kind of.

Speaker 3 touches on that, but she's like, they took our order and then they took the lady's order that was after me, but they fulfilled her order first somehow, made us wait everything was slow we're not complaining we get it it's early in the morning you're in a bad mood it's new year's you're working i'd be pissed too is like kind of the through line of what she said but here's a video of them doing it she's recording them and herself like it's like a karen moment you know so then one of the jersey mike's employees who was in the video posted her own tick tock saying i really hope this stupid bitch has tick tock i really hope i come up on your for you page bitch i really hope you recognize me not knowing this was a housewife i think she knew i mean i don't think she knew maybe not but she probably said i was on the real housewives in new jersey there's no way there's no way a jersey mics employee was that coy enough to be like i don't know if this bitch has a tick tock she would have been like she has good for she probably thinks she's an older woman who doesn't have a tick tock yeah exactly i don't think she thinks so the jersey mics person claimed that jennifer aiden doesn't know what she wants when ordering four different sandwiches and changing the bread last minute The employee and her coworkers were apparently fulfilling the adjustments until Aiden allegedly started backing up the entire line.

Speaker 3 Workers then told the New Jersey star that she needed to get back in line if she was going to continue adding sandwiches.

Speaker 3 She starts tweaking, the employee claimed, alleging that Aiden said, I'm a celebrity and claimed she was going to sue. She starts recording all of us and she posts, learn how to order.

Speaker 2 I would

Speaker 2 sue. Which one's Jennifer?

Speaker 3 She's the one that got smacked in the face with the glass.

Speaker 2 KK gotta be more specific.

Speaker 3 She's friends with Teresa Judice.

Speaker 2 Can you fill it up?

Speaker 5 This is not Mike's way.

Speaker 3 She's married to the botched guy no not botched her she married to the plastic surgeon you're you're

Speaker 2 it's just like you are at a jersey mike's in the airport oh her uh-huh and if you keep adding in any situation if you just keep adding on sandwiches and changes like anyone would want to kill you but it's also like the woman behind you got her sandwich first probably because it was one sandwich and you ordered four like that's gonna take a little longer also wheat is more expensive than white so like if you change it to wheat bitch you gotta pay the extra 80 cents.

Speaker 2 Yes. Like also, even if they were right, you're at a Jersey Mike's.

Speaker 5 You're at Jersey Mike's in the airport on New Year's?

Speaker 2 I have zero expectations of anyone working there. Like I'm hoping I get a sandwich after our order, but if not, I went to Jersey Mike's and I ordered a sandwich.
Okay. It's also just like you,

Speaker 2 you're doing God's work. I'm just saying if someone decides to not give a fuck that day, I'm not going to act surprised.
But that's why it's like, it's simplified.

Speaker 5 So you really can't do anything wrong. And the fact that she's making this complicated when it is truly, you're like, Yeah, can I get a turkey in Provolo and Mike's way without onions?

Speaker 2 But that's what I'm saying. It's like this housewife is trying to take down someone who just got a job at Jersey Mike's and probably doesn't give a fuck.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I'm gonna sue.

Speaker 2 You know, I'm gonna sue. I'm gonna sue is the craziest thing I've ever heard in that situation.
Mike, you're gonna sue Mike or this person who doesn't give a fuck. I'm a celebrity.
I'll sue.

Speaker 5 I just think a reality.

Speaker 2 That would make me want to be like, beef with Jersey Mike's is the funniest thing in the world. No, No, it would make me want to so hard to be like move at the pace of a fucking snail.

Speaker 2 Oh, no, you missed your flight waiting on your sandwich. I'm sorry.
Take our toasters down.

Speaker 2 Yeah, like I would take so long to make those four sandwiches and then I would make them so wrong and then I wouldn't spit in them because that's just like a little too far, but they would be all wrong.

Speaker 2 They would have everything you asked me to not put on it on it, plus some extra. And you would get them cold.
Like it would be so fucked. If they like asked for no mayonnaise or like no money.

Speaker 2 Extra fucking fucking mayonnaise no you use the mayonnaise knife that you didn't wipe off and then you cut the bread that says no mayonnaise yeah

Speaker 2 so you see that the little bit of mayonnaise on the bread react like oh what is going on like that would not annoy them that is crazy you know has she said anything else since this tick tock came out not since no she hasn't been like here's my lawsuit which has gone more viral her i think hers has because people didn't know she's really complaining besides her quote-unquote fans until she posted this yeah and then it was reshared once the employee was like airing her out essentially that's crazy there's been there's been a couple times where i've been really mad and i whipped out that phone started recording and i thought what am i doing i calmed down i realized i was being ridiculous i stopped recording she posted it yeah yeah to record is one thing and then to go onto the app click the post button click the add the video like that's a lot of steps that's a lot of thinking you're right yeah yeah I'm just like, if this is your way of securing a storyline and the reboot of New Jersey,

Speaker 3 I don't think Jersey Mike's is cutting it.

Speaker 2 I don't know if this is securing a storyline. I think this is just, this is who they are.
Yeah. Yeah.
This is who they are.

Speaker 3 Mia Sanchez is pregnant with baby number four.

Speaker 2 Congratulations. I feel like

Speaker 2 I honestly am glad that this season has already wrapped because I feel like all we would hear is four under four. Yeah.
Like all we heard before was three under three.

Speaker 2 So congratulations. That is exciting, though.
What is going on with Lisa Barlow and our girl Browen?

Speaker 5 So basically Lisa has created drama out of nowhere because there was this random Twitter account that's like a housewives just like funny, weird, like just funny little Twitter account.

Speaker 5 And they were like tweeting up a storm, making fun of Lisa Barlow. And then Lisa responds to it and is like, hi, Bronwyn.

Speaker 2 Oh, like suggesting that. Suggesting that this account is Bronwyn when it is like obviously not.

Speaker 5 I think it's called like, it's like Bethany Frankl's something.

Speaker 2 I saw Bronwyn reposted it yesterday being like, because I guess her father's sick in the hospital. So she's been like taking care of her dad.

Speaker 2 And she's like, the fact that even off camera that you guys, that you will go this far to make, like, I'm focusing on real life things right now.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 2 So for you to involve me into some shit that I'm not involved with is really fucked up.

Speaker 5 And this Twitter account is like, this is the second time Lisa Barlow has thought I was Bronwyn.

Speaker 2 Should we assume that Lisa should know that Bronwyn's going through it personally? I mean, she posts about it on her story and talks about it openly.

Speaker 2 So I'm like, it's very evident what Bronwyn's dealing with right now, but I'm also kind of like, the idea that Lisa thinks it's gross that someone would accuse her of going to a blogger to talk about Whitney or whatever, but I'm like, you're thinking that Bronwyn's going to sit there and make a fake account to troll you?

Speaker 2 Monica, maybe, yes, but Bronwyn? I don't think Lisa for a second actually thinks it's Bronwyn. I think Lisa's just

Speaker 2 on Twitter.

Speaker 5 She responded to the tweet with hi, Bronwyn.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I get it.

Speaker 2 I get she made the accusation. I get she's being messy.

Speaker 2 I think Lisa knows what she's doing.

Speaker 5 I don't think Lisa actually thinks Lisa Barlow's Twitter is one of my favorite things in the world. It is psychotic.
It's so funny.

Speaker 2 I mean, she's tweeting every Wednesday night. Every day.
Hard car. She is, yeah.
And it always seemed like she's absolutely livid at somebody. She is.
Always.

Speaker 3 I'm surprised she hasn't. I mean, maybe she has and I haven't seen it because I don't have Twitter, but.
Have you seen Britney throwing shade at Lisa? What? About sponsorships.

Speaker 2 So basically.

Speaker 3 So so basically, we know that Brittany has the whole like bump it, uh, high body count hair where Lisa says you need a Kerastas. What is it?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 And then, so, basically, a couple of days ago, Brittany posted a TikTok unboxing like a Kerastas package, singing, I'm not that girl. And then the caption was, Someone stole my Keras

Speaker 3 partnership, not naming names, not naming names,

Speaker 3 but we, and then she's drinking a big gulp or like a big Wendy's drink. And we know that Lisa is the queen of Wendy's sponsorships and she got a Kerastas sponsorship like two, three weeks before.

Speaker 5 But she's also putting the Kerastas on her hair wrong.

Speaker 2 Wait, so did Brittany, so Brittany did not get the sponsorship?

Speaker 3 She didn't.

Speaker 2 So that's why she wasn't she on Watch What Happens Live saying like, I got a sponsorship?

Speaker 3 That was before this. So she was like teasing it, but then where's the sponsorship?

Speaker 5 But then Lisa Barlow's page.

Speaker 3 And then the direct correlation is the Wendy's drink that Brittany was drinking.

Speaker 2 Did Lisa respond to this?

Speaker 3 I don't have Twitter, so I wouldn't know.

Speaker 2 Let's see. I shall check.

Speaker 2 It's crazy that britney felt like confident enough to say that on watch what happens live and then for karistas the brand to then be like jk girl we're gonna give it to lisa that's what i love about brittany i think you can get brittany to feel confident about just about anything in the moment

Speaker 5 on december 18th lisa lisa tweeted fucking buyers need to shut their fucking mouth Yeah, just like I don't know if that's in reference to it.

Speaker 5 That is not in reference to anything, but it makes me laugh. Okay, let's look at Lisa's replies.
Oh, okay. So it was, this is the

Speaker 5 Bronwyn, Lisa thing. It's this account called Bethany's Water Bed.
So it is obviously like a joke housewife's account.

Speaker 5 It was just like reposting like a New York Mag interview with Bronwyn, and it says,

Speaker 5 Lisa Barlow wishes. And then Lisa said, hi, Bronwyn.
So that's the, that's the drama there.

Speaker 2 But evidently, like, Bronwyn had a full like clapback. Didn't Bronwyn release text messages?

Speaker 5 I think she just like screenshotted it on her account

Speaker 5 on her story and have been like...

Speaker 2 Screenshotted what? The reply. What she just read.
She screenshotted the tweet exchange and then was like, the fact that you think this is me is crazy. And like I'm going through this with my dad.

Speaker 2 How dare you? Essentially. What did Lisa reply back with?

Speaker 3 Well, Bromwyn reposted a screenshot of the tweet and then the caption on it says, I'm not sure why we need to do this too.

Speaker 3 I am not on Twitter nearly at all and I haven't been for a month or so, especially now. I have my hands so full trying to be the best daughter I can to two very sick parents.

Speaker 3 I'm so appreciative for those of you who have reached out and for the castmates who bothered to. The rest I wish would at least leave me alone if they can't wish me well.

Speaker 3 Making TikToks about my outfits or accusations on Twitter right now or last week when my mom was in the ICU with a brain tumor is kicking a dog when it's already down.

Speaker 2 I mean, that's kind of fucked up. I didn't realize that bro and uh his family is going through his health problems.
Lisa should know, shouldn't she?

Speaker 3 Sounds like the castmates know.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I thought it was her dad, but it just her mom. But yeah, her mom makes her not to ice.
It sounds like they're both

Speaker 2 both going through it. Yeah.
So

Speaker 2 well, I mean, I think Bronwyn has all we've seen this season is Bronwyn being like, Lisa, you're not as good of a friend to me as I am to you. And I think this just further proves that.

Speaker 5 Also, scrolling through this Twitter account, 100% not Bronwyn. This is just a random...
This is like someone like me running a Twitter account.

Speaker 2 Well, whoever they are, they're very excited. Oh,

Speaker 2 they've got Lisa in the the middle. This is like incredible.

Speaker 5 If somebody ever accused me of being a burner account for a housewife, I would, I would lose my mind.

Speaker 2 Maybe it's Bethany Frankl. Maybe it is Bethany Franklin.
I could pick up. It is psychotic if she could pick it up.
She's in TJ Maxx.

Speaker 2 She doesn't have time. Multiple burner accounts.

Speaker 5 She's figuring out what's going on with those drones.

Speaker 3 I will say what Bethany's doing right now is she's doing this

Speaker 3 handbag university. So basically, I don't know if you've seen, but the Walmart Birkin has blown up on TikTok.

Speaker 3 And like Bethany is her message right now is like, who cares what the brand is, how much you spent on it? Like, as long as the bag is cute, it's cute.

Speaker 3 So, she's like educating people on like cheap bags right now, which is, I think, commendable.

Speaker 2 I mean, I think people trying to make Birkins cute

Speaker 6 are wrong.

Speaker 2 The fake ones. All of them.
Okay. They are computer bags.
They are briefcases. They, um, and they're so expensive.
I think it's literally just to show off how much money you have.

Speaker 2 I don't think it's to be like, I have a sense of style and

Speaker 2 just my Birkin. But But they're only investments if you plan to resell them.
Exactly. And most people, like myself, I love a designer bag.
I love it to pass down to my daughter, not to

Speaker 2 like sell one day.

Speaker 3 You can get the Kelly Birkin. It's mini.

Speaker 2 We're not selling any of them. I don't have plans to sell any of them now.
If we fall in hard times. Well, yes, of course.
If we fall in hard times, I will be selling

Speaker 2 my soul as well. And a Birkin is a down payment.
So

Speaker 2 I don't own a Birkin and I don't want a Birkin. I just think it's funny that the people who are upset that Walmart has this like dupe

Speaker 2 like come the fuck on. It's ugly anyways, you know? It is ugly.
Wait, Walmart's selling a fake Birkin?

Speaker 3 You haven't seen this? Well, so there's people that can sell things through Walmart. So Walmart's the platform, but there's like shops.
And basically, there's this seller that was selling.

Speaker 3 They didn't claim it was this, but people are calling it the Walmart Birkin. Because it's the same design as a Birkin.

Speaker 2 And it's like $80.

Speaker 3 They weren't until, I mean, we don't, we haven't heard anything from them, but it's been taken off the site.

Speaker 2 as of them. Like, people who make the Birken or like the film.

Speaker 3 So Aermes hasn't spoken out publicly about it, but we know that you can no longer buy it through Walmart as of like a week ago.

Speaker 2 But the people who own Birkin,

Speaker 2 regular influencer, rich people are like, yeah, how fucking dare you try to copy it. I definitely now want one of these $80 Birkin bags.
Well, I did see you can buy.

Speaker 2 You could put your laptop in it for sure. Yeah.
Can I get one?

Speaker 3 You can buy the materials on Amazon and build it yourself.

Speaker 2 Build.

Speaker 2 Build.

Speaker 3 Yeah. They give you all the stuff you have to sew it together.

Speaker 2 Do you want to do that for me i could take a day off and do this

Speaker 2 um paige and craig absolutely devastated

Speaker 2 sad

Speaker 2 i think it's sad just because this most recent episode of southern charm he talks about like freezing his sperm because you know if he were to get into like a car accident or something god forbid it's definitely giving page broke up with him for sure yes i hope he's okay It is nice to see like two reality stars who break up, like just handle it like adults and maturely and obviously still have like love and respect for it and also not feel like they need to post a joint Instagram post with the caption please respect our privacy We love each other like it has come with great regret and sadness that we've chosen to end our relationship But there is still an immense amount of love and respect between the two of us

Speaker 2 like and subscribe These are very difficult times, so please respect our privacy blah blah blah blah blah but yeah, they did not well I feel like they handled it pretty well Yeah, because it was paige on Giggly Squad like she like kind of briefly said briefly, yeah, it's nothing you need to dive into a little well there are rumors out there of Paige and basically she's clapping back on like tick tock comments saying like see you in court love this fictional storytelling like yeah I think she's she's having fun with it she's having fun with it she's leaning in I mean there I don't know that that's just what fan fans do I mean fans are always speculating and coming up with narratives and because the truth of them just being like hey We're just going to break up right now because we're not on the same whatever, whatever, whatever and still love each other is boring.

Speaker 2 So everyone on the internet is like, oh, let's mix it up and throw some spice and make an interesting story that people want to watch on TikTok. It's sad, though.
I really like them as a couple.

Speaker 2 I loved them as a couple. I only met Craig once at an event very briefly.
Seemed loved his energy.

Speaker 2 All brief as it was. We got in an O-Page.
We love her. So it's a bummer to see two people you like, especially on reality TV.
It's usually like, well, I really like them.

Speaker 2 Well, it's going to be weird, too, because it's like the crossover between them on Summerhouse and Southern Charm.

Speaker 2 and he's very much well he's very much on summer house this coming season so or maybe not maybe we see the fallout of it he's in the i know i'm just saying he's in the preview so that's where i'm like even though this is done by the time southern charm is over we're still gonna be going well i wonder if they would edit him out as much as they could probably not probably why would they yeah they kept him in the trailer and he's got all the issues with kyle and the drink companies the seltzer companies so i did see that so craig has like a pillow line and if you go to like the page collection on his website, it says page does no longer exist or something.

Speaker 2 Do you mean exactly page page? Yeah. Page's pillow.

Speaker 3 Like she has a page collection or she had a page collection, but he like took it off the page. And now when you click on the link, it says page no longer exists.

Speaker 2 That's a reactive decision.

Speaker 5 Wait, the page no longer exists or page no longer.

Speaker 2 That's giving hurt feelings. Yeah.
Well, you don't know if he did it.

Speaker 2 It could have been someone else on his team. They could have sold out.
I was just thinking that the website

Speaker 2 absolutely not.

Speaker 2 has nick's being a fan and he's speculating and now he's trying to make the story more exciting being a fan i am absolutely speculating 100 true but I do think because the truth of what it could be is they sold out and he's like, we're not restocking.

Speaker 2 Let's just cancel it. So now there's no page to exist.
But Nick's like, that's not fun. Let's make it that he hates her.
So he deleted it. I didn't say anything about anyone hating anyone.

Speaker 2 I just personally went in there. Hurt feelings.
I said hurt feelings. And he's a human being.
Is he not allowed allowed to be sad about this breakup?

Speaker 5 You are allowed to delete Paige's page on the page. It is definitely not.
Especially if the page is causing you harm because of page.

Speaker 2 If it was sold out and he simply would say, hey, we're sold out. You know, it would just be sold out.
It's so popular. More in stock later.
We're still, don't worry. We're still cool.

Speaker 2 Not going to eliminate these very wonderful pillows. My love doesn't exist anymore, but your love for the page pillow still can.
He's not doing that.

Speaker 2 No, he's just like, immediately take it off the site right now. No one can have a Paige pillow ever again.

Speaker 2 Well, John Hamm is sad for Paige and Craig, which I think is pretty iconic to have John Hamm be like, can we get John Ham? That's sad. Never saw that coming.

Speaker 2 He once talked to me about the Brewers once. The Brewers? The who? John Hamm.
John Hamm is a big reality.

Speaker 2 And I love that.

Speaker 2 He's like, oh, you're from Milwaukee. How about those Brewers? I was like, yeah, how about those Cardinals? He's from St.
Louis. Yeah.

Speaker 3 I did sit on the plane home next to a person from Wisconsin.

Speaker 2 I thought of you. You were talking to the person next to you?

Speaker 3 I was, and I thought of you specifically. I will say I was like, I want to read my book, but sure, let's do it.

Speaker 2 Let's keep talking. Was it hard for you? Were you like itching to?

Speaker 3 I could not hear a single thing she was saying, but this older woman could hear everything I was saying. So I was like, I need to up my game.

Speaker 2 Do you need hearing aids? Apparently. Yes.

Speaker 2 Well, we are very sad for Craig and Paige. I am looking forward to when Paige starts dating again.
Or Craig, because that's when, if there is drama to unfold, drama will.

Speaker 2 I don't wish drama. I don't, I do not wish.
Yeah, that's an icky.

Speaker 5 I don't, I don't wish to be like, I can't wait for the drama, but I don't wish them any drama.

Speaker 2 I do not wish anyone unnecessary drama or hurt feelings. But if and when they do start dating, I do feel like if it were to slightly get messy, it would be then.

Speaker 3 John Hamm also did say that Darit is not doing it for him.

Speaker 2 How do you feel about that? That's an unpopular opinion. Do you need to fight John Hammack? I mean, I haven't met Doreen in person yet, so I don't really know.

Speaker 3 Well, he's saying on the show.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I think she, I mean, I, I mean, she, I find her to be entertaining.
I think she's doing it for me. Yeah.
But so does he. So yeah.

Speaker 2 Well, let's see how she's doing it for Heather McMahon because she's also a big Bravo fan and she is up next.

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Speaker 1 Honestly, when southern women get together, we really don't need

Speaker 1 anyone else. So, yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm feeling the sexual tension right now, and I'm getting very excited.

Speaker 2 I'm very horny. So I'm always excited.
Thank God you're here. Yeah.
Yeah. I got you.
I got you.

Speaker 2 So welcome. That's everything.

Speaker 1 We're just jumping right into it. Y'all also, I apologize.
I'm not crying. I'm having some sort of allergic reaction to like the dry California air.
So my eyes have just been watering.

Speaker 1 So I'm not emotionally distressed, but just know I'm like, if I do this all day, I don't know what the fuck's happening. I'm going to sleep beside you.

Speaker 2 Thank you. Oh, yeah.
Actually, let me do this. We definitely like to like.
If you need a dab, we've been known to get people to cry.

Speaker 1 You know, and I haven't had an emotional breakdown since like last week. So maybe today's day.
I feel like you're, you know, I'm a little tired. So I'm overdue for a full manic breakdown.
Okay.

Speaker 2 What did you cry about last week?

Speaker 1 Well, around the holidays is tough because my dad died at Christmas. Thank you so much for bringing that up.
And

Speaker 1 no, it's fine. You think it's going to get easier every year and it just, it's getting worse with time.

Speaker 1 I think grief gets worse with time because then you realize you're that much further away from the time that you talk to that person. It's bad.
So I hate Christmas because my dad died on the 23rd.

Speaker 1 And I did tell him when he was in the hospital dying, I'm really coming in hot. I said, if you die on fucking Christmas Day, I'll never forgive you.
So he died on the 23rd, which is like,

Speaker 2 he helped me out. I really made that moment about you.
I really made that moment about me.

Speaker 1 And so yeah, the holidays, I hate, I hate the holidays.

Speaker 2 Well, do you have any advice for people who, you know, are going through something similar? Like how instead of, you know, have a mental breakdown, feel the emotions.

Speaker 1 Have this type of thing. I always say, give yourself grace.
Like, you know, when you're going through grief, and this happened, listen, my dad died nine years ago. So I should be like, I'm doing okay.

Speaker 1 It's just that one week that's weird.

Speaker 1 I always say cry, feel your feelings, and then go get like a hot dog or a cookie or a glass of wine. And then just like, you know, carb load after that.
Okay. Yeah.
Get your blood sugar stable.

Speaker 1 You know, have a little cocktail and then you're going to be fine. Feel the feelings, weep, and then be done with it.
And then eat something. And then eat something and then shut the fuck up about it.

Speaker 2 Where were you for the holidays? Where do you go?

Speaker 1 I was at home. I was in Atlanta.

Speaker 1 I usually go away. That's a thing.
So we usually are like somewhere warm or we get the fuck out of the house. And I was sitting at home alone with my own thoughts.

Speaker 1 And that's why I went a little, you know, crazy.

Speaker 2 Yeah. It's fine.
We're good. We're good.
Guys, I'm proud of you.

Speaker 2 We're good. Thank God.

Speaker 1 Y'all, I've already got like four hours of sleep. It's been wild.
It's award season. So we're doing the thing.

Speaker 2 You were at the Golden Globes.

Speaker 1 I was at the Golden Globes.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I'll tell you everything about it.
Were you at all the parties?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I went to the, I went to a couple parties. Yeah, it was great.

Speaker 1 But it's, it's a long day because I'm on, I'm on the carpet. I've started doing a bunch of hosting stuff with E.
So I'm on the carpet at like two. I'm in hair and makeup at 9 a.m.

Speaker 1 I've interviewed people.

Speaker 1 I mean, you may only see like 10 interviews, but I've interviewed like 50 people. So it's, it's really crazy.

Speaker 1 So you're on for like three hours live and then you get off, you go change and then you get ready to go schmooze and work the rooms at the parties. So it's a real

Speaker 2 red carpet interview.

Speaker 1 Well, I got to talk to Ariana Grande and that was wild. And she's so petite and so tiny and almost like translucent, iridescent.
Like she's so beautiful.

Speaker 2 Did you show her your ankles or not?

Speaker 1 I did. I showed her my ankles.

Speaker 1 And we literally on camera, I looked like Miss Piggy and she looked like Hermit because she's so like tiny. And it was just, it brought me a lot of joy.

Speaker 1 Like a lot of my friends are like splicing it together and doing it side by side. And I was like, this is my dream.

Speaker 2 Who else is great?

Speaker 1 Cooper Coch was great.

Speaker 1 You know, it's interesting because I love talking to TV stars because they get it. They know how to work a room.
The movie stars are a little serious. You know, they are.

Speaker 2 They're there for the art.

Speaker 1 They're there for the art. The TV stars are just.
It's a film. It's a film.
Yeah. It's a film.
It's a journey. But everybody on TV is just like ready to get fucked up and have a good time.

Speaker 2 Did you have to watch everything to prepare? Everything.

Speaker 1 And I will say, this is the hardest job. I started doing it.
Because they asked me, I was like, oh, this will be fun. I'll just get to like roast people.

Speaker 1 But now I'm kind of in a position where they actually like want me to be almost a journalist. So that's been a little bit of a wild ride.
I have to study. I have note cards.
It's a whole week of prep.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So it's, it's the hardest gig I do.
I can get up in front of an audience of strangers and do stand up off the rip for 90 minutes. And that's, I don't think twice about that.

Speaker 1 Having to like have thoughtful questions for people. And it's hard because, you know, podcasting, you get to sit and talk to somebody and like warm it up.
You have 90 seconds with these people.

Speaker 1 And they're all like nominated for Oscars.

Speaker 2 You really got to get in and get out. Yeah.
Yeah. Try to get a laugh.

Speaker 1 And they're, but also like their publicists are like, don't mention this. Say this.
You know, make sure you hit that. Do you know the name of their, you know, six upcoming projects?

Speaker 1 You're like, I don't need, I, I be funny, but not memorable.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Be funny, not memorable. Don't say anything.
So I'm trying to warm it up so where I can really be myself. Cause right now I feel a little robotic, like I'm a journalist.

Speaker 1 And I did too many drugs in college to, you know, have to be robotic. Yeah, to be robotic.
And also to have any sort of like retention, you know, I can't remember facts.

Speaker 2 Did you see Zendaya?

Speaker 1 Um, I saw her on the carpet, didn't get a chat with her, but she was floating. Nicole Kidman, stunning.

Speaker 2 Did you hear that Zendaya

Speaker 2 engaged?

Speaker 1 I saw the ring. Yes.
You did see the ring.

Speaker 2 I saw the ring. Yes.
Did you suspect an engagement when you saw the ring?

Speaker 1 Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2 I mean, a woman doesn't just talk on the, on the, on the floors.

Speaker 1 Oh, well, she also, too, is one of those who like floats through and she was in that gorgeous big gown. And then when I went back and saw the photos and we saw the ring, I was like, oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 She got booed up. My favorite thing about Zendaya is that she was on Dancing with the Stars before.
Yeah. She really blew up.
And I like to think there's still a chance for me.

Speaker 1 Yes. I think you should do it.
No, I did.

Speaker 2 He did. Oh, you did it.
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 It wasn't very memorable. Not very good.

Speaker 2 What season were you on? Like 2017. Okay, that was a while ago.
Before 81 was really watching. Okay.
She was on long ago as well. Also, before 81 was really watching.
A lot of people,

Speaker 2 it's the end of their journey dancing with the stars. But Zendaya is hope for all of us that maybe you can.
That it's the beginning. It's the beginning.

Speaker 1 Didn't she say that she, that really stressed her out? I think I heard a quote where she was like, this was a part of my life that was really stressful, and she took it a little too seriously.

Speaker 2 Maybe I know I did. Yeah, I would love to do Dancing with the Stars.

Speaker 1 One, because I think I would crush. Um, two, I would like to be paired with like a very petite ballroom male, you know what I mean? So, I would really like to have that moment.

Speaker 1 I think we can make this happen, yeah, I think so too. Yeah, we, but then it's also like a lot of work.
Like, I mean, how many weeks is it? How many weeks did you make it?

Speaker 2 I don't remember. I was, I told you, you're like four days.

Speaker 2 I went through four days.

Speaker 2 I was eliminated with Nancy Kerrigan. Are you fucking kidding me? So, like, I was at her level.
I just want to point that out. Yeah.
Wow.

Speaker 1 I am wildly impressed. That's pretty good.

Speaker 2 That's good. Pretty good.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 It was like, I don't know. It was like six weeks or something.
Okay.

Speaker 2 It was a ton of fun. You absolutely should do it.
Very nerve-wracking.

Speaker 2 I honestly, the dancing in front of the live studio audience, that's what freaks the shit out of you. At least for me, I'm not a professional performer.
That kind of psyched me out.

Speaker 2 Maybe you being a comedian

Speaker 2 and selling out large theaters will help you. I struggled with that.
It's very, yeah, it's not the same as shaking your ass at a wedding. Right.

Speaker 2 It's very like one, two, three, and so like, it's like it's choreo-driven. And it's very, that's, that was nerve-wracking.
I had a hard time looking like I was having fun

Speaker 2 while I was dancing dead and a lot of like,

Speaker 2 oh my God, oh my God, you know, like a lot of that.

Speaker 1 Well, I just really thrive in glitter and sequins and feathers and any sort of tight lycro. So I think once I would put on the show suit, it would, I would just come a lot.

Speaker 2 And the designing team there were phenomenal, fabulous.

Speaker 1 Thank God, as long as it's custom. Because I'll tell you what, being bigger than a size four in this business, it's tough, you know? I mean, trying to even get dressed for these award shows.

Speaker 2 What did you wear yesterday?

Speaker 1 I keep wearing this brand Tadashi. This is an amazing designer.
And Octavia Spencer wore Tadashi when she won her Oscars. And they're like not expensive dresses, but it's beautifully made.

Speaker 1 And it's for great, it's for all body types. But it is wild, y'all.
Being in Hollywood, actually, but it did not photograph well. It actually had a cool corset and it did not photograph.

Speaker 1 I looked nine months pregnant there, but it was actually really beautiful in person. You look insane.

Speaker 2 Thank you. It looks great.
Wow. Thank you for color.

Speaker 1 But I will tell you a little Hollywood secret. And I'm here to, it sounds like I'm really coming in with negative energy.
I'm not.

Speaker 1 But the amount of designers that say that they make sizes for everybody, when you call to get dressed, they do not. So I want you to know they're all fucking liars.

Speaker 2 Yeah, they're all liars. They put it on their runway to be like, this is what's coming.
Yeah, and then when they say everyone, they mean they have three friends that look the same as them.

Speaker 1 Exactly. Yeah.
They put it on the runway and then they're like, yeah, we don't make size, you know, sample sizes or we don't ship those sizes. So it's kind of bullshit.
So shout out to Tadashi.

Speaker 2 Thank you. Octavia Spencer is all, she went to Auburn.
She did go to Auburn. She is a huge Auburn fan, like has said we're eagle in her

Speaker 2 Oscar winning

Speaker 2 speeches.

Speaker 1 I met her backstage at this thing with Reese Witherspoon, and she has a house in Mississippi, and I have a place in Mississippi, and we were chit-chatting about it.

Speaker 1 And I was literally like, I'll see you in Mississippi. She's like, we might have to wait to go to Mississippi for a minute because, you know, tensions are high.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we'll circle back. Yeah, we'll circle back.

Speaker 1 We'll circle back. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Well, your Netflix special was.

Speaker 1 I have one on Netflix and then one on Hulu. It's all, it's, it's confusing.

Speaker 2 It's confusing. You know what?

Speaker 1 I was at the Netflix party last night and I was like, guys, my latest special came out on Hulu.

Speaker 2 What are we doing? Like, nobody knows what's happening. I did it in VA.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Well, I got a few. Yeah.
Well, the one that we watched was on Netflix.

Speaker 1 Okay, great. Then you watched the old, the old one, the first one.

Speaker 2 Hulu. Was I Hulu?

Speaker 1 It was Hulu. Was I in a denim dress or a black dress?

Speaker 2 Denim. Denim.
Okay. Denim.
Denim. Denim.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Bopping around. Yeah.
Flipping my hair, talking about VJ.

Speaker 2 Flipping your hair, talking about VJ.

Speaker 1 So that first one on Netflix, I talked about my dead dad.

Speaker 2 So I'm glad you didn't watch that one.

Speaker 1 I'm glad you watched the Hulu.

Speaker 2 I would have known no difference.

Speaker 2 Yeah. If we had watched Netflix.
So thank God. I'd be like, don't ask her about our cross.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 No, honestly, whenever you started talking about how when giving blowjobs, we do not, we're not, not the last thing we're thinking about is what we are doing currently in that moment we had a talk afterwards yeah how did you feel about that did i kind of expose it

Speaker 2 oh my god that's so true i was like yeah yeah i had a little bit more of a visceral reaction than he was expecting so

Speaker 1 we did have to have a talk oh i thought you meant that no we do not it is a it is a means to get what we need and want yeah um and girls who say like i love checking dick no you don't i mean i do it because i obviously i love my husband and he you know it's it's a i can get in and out of there but i don't when i'm down there i'm not thinking about that dog i am checking things off the list hell you know do i take my ssris this morning i'm writing my grocery list yeah in my head is the grocery list yeah i mean that makes sense i don't feel like men are like what thinking about what's down there

Speaker 1 all right so yeah what are you thinking what are you thinking about

Speaker 2 i'm not like wow what a really great vagina okay

Speaker 2 down there oh okay well we've never insulted your dick. I've never been like, this dick fucking sucks, but as ugly it has dick.

Speaker 2 It's great. You had a great dinner the other night, and my vagina is great.

Speaker 2 Like you're just

Speaker 2 how you approach that. All right.

Speaker 2 Wow. Wow.

Speaker 2 A great vagina. Cool.
It birthed your fucking child. So like, actually, what is what I'm doing? You're good to know.

Speaker 1 Your PC is perfect.

Speaker 2 Okay. Yeah.
Thank you. No, but actually, that's what I'm thinking.
Still got it. Yeah.
You know, like,

Speaker 2 I'm like, wow, how would she do this?

Speaker 1 But do you, when you're down there, you're not like thinking about filing your taxes or, or what's going on in that brain?

Speaker 1 Listen, you don't even have to answer it.

Speaker 2 We already know there's not a lot going on in most men's brains.

Speaker 2 There's not a lot. It's more like, I hope you like it.
That's what I'm saying. Because I feel like they're thinking about themselves and their performance.
Yeah. Like, okay, I think that.

Speaker 2 Oh, is that a move? Then we're like, the fucking man. Is this over with?

Speaker 1 Yeah. But here's the thing that's, we all know we're good at what we do.

Speaker 1 And I had to, I confession, I got my neck done for Thanksgiving. So that's why if I seem a little stiff, I had a like a little neck procedure.
And so I'm really off the table.

Speaker 1 Like I can't give a blowjob for like another month and a half.

Speaker 2 Was that the doctor's orders?

Speaker 1 Doctor's orders. Well, I couldn't have sex for like four weeks.
And I was, I'm still very swollen. And I came down the stairs when I got the clear.
And I'm a very horny person.

Speaker 1 I was like, this was the first day post surgery that I like put on makeup and like tried to feel like myself. I was like, honey, like I got cleared.

Speaker 1 And all of a sudden, my husband just started reorganizing the kitchen.

Speaker 2 And I was like, I'm a monster.

Speaker 1 He didn't have the heart. And I looked at the mirror later.
I was like, my face was so swollen. And I was like, oh, God, no man ever turns down sex, especially my husband.

Speaker 2 You're cleared.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I was like, I'm cleared. And I was like, you can put a pillow over my head.
I don't care. Just lay me down, raw dog me.

Speaker 1 But yeah, I can't give blowjobs for a while because the neck is a little too tight.

Speaker 2 And whenever you were told that in like your consult, was your husband like, ooh, maybe we should rethink?

Speaker 1 No, he never came to any of the consults.

Speaker 1 But then the night before surgery, and they didn't do anything to my face. They just like tightened a little muscle, right?

Speaker 1 He literally was like, so like, do I get a rendering of what you're going to look like?

Speaker 2 I was like,

Speaker 2 we're not building a pool house, Jeff.

Speaker 1 Okay. They're just going to tighten a muscle.
This is what happens when you're in this biz and you get closer to 40. Like, fuck you.
He was really panicked the next day, but then it was fine. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. But in like four more months, forget it.
This jaw is about to be snatched.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 Get excited. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Holy shit. Yeah.
Well, I'll be adding that to my list. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You don't need it.

Speaker 2 You're perfect.

Speaker 1 Don't do anything. You're perfect.

Speaker 2 Seriously.

Speaker 1 i feel like in in hollywood it's you if you don't do it you're no it's not a gum on the bottom of your shoe that but see you no you're good you're you don't need it it was always a thing i inherited my neck from my dad and he had a nice big beard to cover it and just i finally one day i read enough comments on reddit and i go okay i'm calling someone your

Speaker 1 mother are you reading your reddit comments no but i was bullied once on reddit by a group of women because i i went through that phase that a lot of ladies did where we got intense eyelash extensions and I looked like a bird that could take flight and I'm so glad they bullied me.

Speaker 1 I needed to be bullied. It was, but it was also, that's what everyone was doing at the time.

Speaker 2 Right. Sometimes it is helpful.
You had eyelash blindness.

Speaker 1 I had eyelash blindness. That is my, the one blindness I think I've really had.

Speaker 2 Are you using eyelash serums? Your eyelashes are very.

Speaker 1 No, these are actually, these are fake right now.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 1 But they're, they, they, they'll fall off at like midnight, okay?

Speaker 2 They'll be on your nightstand. Yeah, they'll be on my nightstand later.
It's It's fine. They look real.

Speaker 1 Yeah, thank you so much.

Speaker 2 I went because I'm going natural. Okay.

Speaker 1 And here's the thing. I have never done anything.
I was only like a, like a baby Botox girl. But this is what everyone's doing now.
You get the little tweaks so that you just look fresh.

Speaker 1 No one's doing the fillers and all that bullshit. I've never had my lips done, any of that.
I'm just like, just tighten it up. You know, we're just tightening everything up.

Speaker 2 Yeah. So I feel like

Speaker 2 eventually I'm going to need a boob job because I did my daughter.

Speaker 2 They're, they, she sucked him to my ankles, unfortunately so I was like oh this you know maybe after a second maybe I should get and I would want them to probably be your size so um if you could send me a nude I would greatly if you want to do a fat transfer too I'll just suck something out of me

Speaker 1 I got a thick back I'll just suck it out of there and we'll just drop it off of your house yeah yeah you'll put it in like a Tupperware I'll put it in Tupperware yeah country croc country croc easy and we'll just yeah I got to get rid of it and I'd rather donate it you know it's like I don't I can't do locks no love because I have the hair extensions but I I would love to donate my fat for your new boot.

Speaker 2 Do you have donor on your license? Absolutely not.

Speaker 1 No, I have to take too many gummies at night and get on the internet and everyone's like, I woke up. I wasn't dead yet.
And they were cutting out my kidney. So I'm like, I can't.
I would love.

Speaker 2 Absolutely not.

Speaker 1 Absolutely not. No.

Speaker 1 I already give enough money to charities. They don't also need my vital organs.

Speaker 2 Why? Right. They're going to be in the grave with you.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Yes. Absolutely.

Speaker 2 So do you want to be cremated or buried?

Speaker 1 Okay. Funny story.

Speaker 1 i i saw this thing recently again when i was on gummies at night they have this new like natural box where you get you're put in like a beautiful wooden box and you're covered in linen and then they like turn you into a cherry tree like that's what i would like i just think that's nice a cherry tree a cherry tree or whatever i don't know i'm not george washington but you know the issue

Speaker 1 I don't know, a ficus,

Speaker 1 a nice palm, like whatever, a fiddle foliage.

Speaker 2 Some foliage.

Speaker 1 Okay. I would just like to be back in a garden.

Speaker 1 But we had to cremate my dad because he was a really big dude.

Speaker 1 And he had originally bought his like burial plot and his casket because, you know, he's a planner and didn't even know he was sick, died very quickly of cancer.

Speaker 1 But then when we went to like plan his funeral, they were like, yeah, your dad's too fat for the casket. Like he needs like a destination XL, like big and plus casket.

Speaker 2 Were you able to tell him? No, he was already dead. He was dead.
And you were like, just set him on fire.

Speaker 2 He was already dead.

Speaker 1 So I I did tell him as I was identifying the body. I was like, dad, I hate to tell you.
Yes, I did tell him.

Speaker 2 Actually, fair enough questions. Okay, okay.

Speaker 2 So I was like, what are our- I'm not allowed to laugh. Yeah, you're allowed to laugh.

Speaker 1 You're absolutely allowed to. I made a whole special out of this.
So just laugh. Release it.

Speaker 1 Feel the feelings.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so I did have to tell him. Okay.
I do look back. I think it was kind of fucked up.
So my dad died in Houston at MD Anderson, which is a cancer hospital. We had to fly him back to Atlanta.

Speaker 1 And then,

Speaker 1 oh my God, this is so fucked up. Why am I sharing this? So then they they were like, you have to identify the body.
And so he's in the casket.

Speaker 2 They put him in like a master's golf sweater because my dad goes to the master's every year.

Speaker 1 I'm like, how did y'all get this sweater?

Speaker 2 Someone broke into our home.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It was just like his nice cashmere.
And I was like, actually, that's a really, like, you don't understand.

Speaker 2 Can we have that?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Can we have that back? Cause I go to the masters every year.
And like, that swag is fucking expensive, but okay, dad.

Speaker 1 And then I had to go in there and the lady was like, I was standing in like the back of the room. And she was like, you can get closer.
I was like, I don't want to get fucking closer.

Speaker 1 He's been cold for four days like it's him is it the fat guy with the beard and the sweater that's my dad look at his neck look at his neck my neck

Speaker 1 is it similar yeah it's similar i would get cremated because this is bullshit i'm sorry but anybody listening to this if you're in the funeral biz you know you you know you're running a shady boots business in order to get a bigger casket for my dad they wanted like 10 grand more

Speaker 1 and my mom was like oh fuck this she's like i could redo my bathroom absolutely no

Speaker 2 cremate him so we cremated what do you want to do i think cremate I have just an issue with like worms like, you know, eating me while I'm down there or something.

Speaker 2 Like, I don't feel like that's the way I should. Okay.
Aren't they able to take your ashes now and like turn them into diamonds or like pressed jewels?

Speaker 2 Probably.

Speaker 1 I had a landlord here in LA. This is most LA shit.
She had her dead cat's ashes put into a tattoo.

Speaker 1 And I don't know that somebody fact that.

Speaker 3 I have one in my finger, yeah.

Speaker 2 With ashes?

Speaker 1 With ashes. So I'm not bullshitting this.
Thank you. No.

Speaker 2 Who is it? Can I ask you a question? How was that?

Speaker 1 How did that, how did they, how did that set up happen?

Speaker 3 You have to find like someone that does like spiritual tattoos or like indigenous tattoos, and then they'll do it for you.

Speaker 2 They just sprinkle a little bit into the ink. And then I think it's a beautiful thing.

Speaker 1 Oh, it is a beautiful thing. I was just a little concerned because her cat died from like a horrible disease, and I just got a little nervous about that.

Speaker 2 Yeah, is it now in your bloodstream?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I got a little worried about cross-contamination, but wait, that's really cool.

Speaker 3 It's a small amount, so I think I can't like, well, we hope.

Speaker 2 I'm still hurting.

Speaker 1 Is your tattoo a little gray? Because hers was gray.

Speaker 2 It's full colored. Okay.

Speaker 3 Well, mine's blue. So

Speaker 1 I'm gonna taxidermy my pets. I want them stuffed.
You know, we're southern. It's fine.
You walk around a deer head, a moose head. It is what it is.
But I want my two French bulldogs fully stuffed.

Speaker 1 And I've already told my mom that I'm probably going to stuff her too and set her up on our have you thought about what position?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, I've thought it through. So I'm going to like cryo-freeze her or taxidermy her because my mom lives with us.
We live with her however you want to spice it.

Speaker 1 and um we have this obnoxiously huge island in our kitchen and she sits there every morning and i come down the stairs and as soon as i hit that bottom step she's like heather let me show you something i found on the youtubes so i feel like i'm gonna have a little button that as soon as i hit that step it'll say that and she's just sitting there with a glass of wine you know she'll always be in a bar stool she'll always be on our bar stool so you'll only have like five accessible to other people exactly exactly you know but i feel like when guests come over they're like it's a little creepy that your mom's stuffed so we would just like to sit in the dining room yeah We're not going to hang out in the kitchen.

Speaker 2 Can't you just go to like a gold plate like at the bars where they're like, you know, Stan used to drink here?

Speaker 1 You could. And actually, we did that at the Waffle House down the street from my house.

Speaker 1 There's a little plaque and it said, you know, like, it was like Kyle McMahon's spot, my dad's spot, the Waffles. But I do think Waffle House was the reason he died.

Speaker 1 So, you know, it's not a lot of nitrates in that sausage.

Speaker 2 They were at our wedding. We did have Waffle House at our wedding.
Yeah. They catered.
It's the only way to do it. I know.

Speaker 1 Where did you get married again?

Speaker 2 Was it Savannah? The family's farm in Savannah, yeah. Yes.

Speaker 1 That's beautiful. Love Savannah.
Rankin. Rankin County?

Speaker 2 Effingham County.

Speaker 1 Effingham County.

Speaker 2 Effingham. Hell yeah.

Speaker 1 Hell yeah. Y'all had a beautiful wedding.
It was really. We do have to talk about something off-air, but we'll talk about that later because

Speaker 1 I have a connection to something that happened to y'all.

Speaker 2 Love that story.

Speaker 2 Nick was actually cosplaying, I think, a little too hard at our welcome party. We had a little country chic.

Speaker 2 You know, I'm like, let's bring in some of my roots, have these people from the Midwest and LA and New York, like kind of have a taste of what like my childhood was like in my family.

Speaker 2 And Nick started introducing people to his diddy.

Speaker 2 No, it was daddy. Diddy.

Speaker 1 You say Diddy?

Speaker 2 I said, my daddy.

Speaker 1 Is it my daddy?

Speaker 2 D-I, Diddy, why? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 everybody's got a Diddy.

Speaker 2 I'm marrying these people now. I'm so

Speaker 1 you gotta lean in.

Speaker 2 He's y'all in it. He's, yeah, I was riding a horse.
Riding a horse.

Speaker 1 That's beautiful. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Now, are you, what do you call your grandparents?

Speaker 2 Well, it was grandmother and papa. Papa.
Okay. Very, she was like, it's if you called her grandma, she was pissed.
She was like, it's grandmother. She was very classy.

Speaker 1 Grandmother. I had a meme and papa.
That was also. Yeah.
But then my mom's side of the family is from Boston. So it was like very Italian.

Speaker 1 But my southern grandmother, Sally, you call, you know, it was me, me.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. It was a me.
Yeah, they love a meme me.

Speaker 1 They love a meme.

Speaker 1 And if you didn't have a mean meme growing up, like it's always the southern grandmother who's a real bitch.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 A lot of like, yeah, a lot of hand slapping.

Speaker 1 Like my grandmother, I idolized my older sister because my sister's like this beautiful porcelain doll and took her to get um glamour shots at the mall and for father's day which was honestly when you look back a little creepy so i get back to the house and my mom's like where are you glamour shots at there and i'm like well mimi said i'm in my awkward phase and so i can't get any my mom was like god damn it she's a bitch and took me down to the mall we got glamour shots We don't have any records, these glamour shots because my mom said they turned out so horrible.

Speaker 1 She too would not talk about.

Speaker 2 Turns out Mimi was right.

Speaker 1 Turns out Mimi was on to something, but at least I had the experience of getting all gussied up, you know.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.
Thank God. My um papa, at you know, he's in his 90s now.
Oh, he's still with us. He's still with us.
Oh, that's a beautiful. He's the only one still with us.
And

Speaker 2 at, I was pregnant last Thanksgiving, and, you know, I was what, seven months pregnant? I was six months pregnant. I don't know.
I was, I was pretty big. I was what? Eight or nine.

Speaker 2 Well, I gave birth in February. And this was November, so math.

Speaker 2 Continue. Anyways.

Speaker 2 Anyways, so he was like, you're a lot

Speaker 2 bigger than normal.

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 yeah.

Speaker 2 I don't think he understood that you do gain the weight when you're carrying a child. And it was a lot of like, what's going on here? You know?

Speaker 1 Well, because back in the day, they didn't. You know what I mean? They did not.
My Mimi was smoking cigarettes, you know, suppressing that appetite.

Speaker 2 Right. And then it would just like, you'd go to the bathroom one day.
You would take a hard shit.

Speaker 1 And next thing you know, you get a four-year-old.

Speaker 2 Exactly.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Times have changed.

Speaker 2 We're oversharing a lot.

Speaker 1 You know, I came in here real hot, already told you I got my neck done. I was like, I'm not going to go with that publicly.
Apparently I am.

Speaker 1 So, you know, I mean, I also feel I am not with child, but I also feel like I'll probably be the person who pees on the stick.

Speaker 1 And then just, I'm like, I'm like live streaming it like, you guys, it finally happened. Because in comedy, I don't have, I'm unable to not somehow turn this around and share it.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And there are times where I'm like, I need to just shut it down, but I don't.

Speaker 2 We can bleep neck. Yeah.
So it's like, I got my bape done.

Speaker 1 And then when it leads into, I can't get blowjobs or have sex, they'll think I got my vagina done or something. Yeah, I kind of like this.

Speaker 2 Kind of hot. Kind of hot.

Speaker 1 Wow. I have seen photos of before and afters of labioplasties and I compared and I think I'm still good.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you know, they, I feel like they look maybe worse after.

Speaker 1 Maybe. Maybe.
Maybe.

Speaker 2 Some would say. Yeah.

Speaker 1 With the wrong doctor maybe yeah you if you're gonna listen ladies if you're listening if you're gonna get your vagina fixed make sure you do your research maybe i wouldn't go to like no

Speaker 1 coupons no no no i just probably i wouldn't go to like a dermatologist you know like i'd probably go to a don't go to a podiatrist right because this may be something that you don't know but like the dentist will do botox and dentists are the only ones who you should allow other than plastic surgeons to do botox because they know every muscle in the face but i've gone to some shady places before i knew any better.

Speaker 1 And they're literally like, you know,

Speaker 1 it's an orthopedist who's like doing filler. You don't want that.
You don't want that.

Speaker 2 You want to go to a specialist. Yeah, yeah.
And I feel like if you're not going to a specialist these days,

Speaker 2 maybe you just deserve what came out. Yeah.
You know, I totally agree. If you're getting your nose job done by someone who's not specializing in nose jobs, like that's why it looks like that.

Speaker 1 There was actually a big thing in my town in Atlanta. There was a guy who was an ophthalmologist.
He was an eye doctor. And he ended up giving everybody these like botched facelifts.

Speaker 1 Oh, it's like made national news.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Like on purpose, because he didn't know what he was doing.

Speaker 1 He didn't know what he was doing. He just thought he'd make like some quick cash, but people got like really destroyed.
So do your research. Don't do too much and do your research.

Speaker 2 That's all I'll say. Are you watching housewives?

Speaker 1 Do I watch housewives? Honey, I've been on oxies for the last two weeks. I have literally been laid up, ice in my neck, wrapped up being like, let me catch up on Beverly Hills.
I watch it all.

Speaker 2 You watch it all. I watch it all.
Are you a big popcorn just in general?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I eat it up.

Speaker 2 You eat it up. Yeah.
Oh, yeah. What's your favorite, like, most wild story you're following right now? Housewives are.

Speaker 1 Well, Salt Lake City just keeps getting better and better. And you know what? They really,

Speaker 1 they're worth every penny.

Speaker 1 I'm going to say something publicly. I'm going to get in trouble.
New York is just a fucking snooze for me.

Speaker 2 No, we gave up. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I gave up.

Speaker 2 I said it was boring and gave up.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Unless it is old white women around 65 fighting over, you know, the last truffle fry in the Hamptons, it's not, it's never going to hit for me.
You want to feel the hate.

Speaker 1 I want to feel the the hate. I want to feel that they're all about to get canceled.
That's why we tuned in to see Ramona and Sonia and Luann just at rock bottom.

Speaker 2 You know, exactly. Not like a fake prank.
Yeah. Oh, a fake prank for too long.
Yes.

Speaker 2 That's when I gave up. I was like, you know, this isn't for me.
You still have Luann. trying to work.
She's sleeping with the guy from Southern Charms.

Speaker 2 Hospitality. We watched episode one.
Did you watch that at all?

Speaker 1 I'm not cut up on that.

Speaker 2 We just started. We just started.
We were like, let's see. Let's give it a try.
Yeah. We met Joe Bradley at an event and he was like, hey.
Hey. And we were like, all right, we'll see what it is.

Speaker 2 Well, we really sold it to you. Hey.

Speaker 2 Try to take me home one night a long time ago.

Speaker 3 Let's talk about that.

Speaker 2 Oh, we've talked about that. Okay, okay.
It was a long time ago in Chicago. It was fresh off of me being on the bacherette.
And she was with some friends in Chicago.

Speaker 1 On a scale of one to 10, how tempted?

Speaker 2 Zero. Zero.
Okay.

Speaker 1 All right. She looks good.

Speaker 2 She was lovely and wonderful, and she's a beautiful woman. And it was just like, made me not, it wasn't the time for me.
And she was like, it was really good.

Speaker 2 It was on his period. Yeah.
He was bleeding. So he was like, and he didn't shave his pussy that day.
So she was like, I haven't shaved.

Speaker 1 I haven't shaved my pussy in 10 years.

Speaker 2 She had started the night earlier. I wasn't really at her level.
I was like going to a place called Stout Bar, which was like just very

Speaker 1 Stout Bar in New York? Chicago. Oh, Chicago.

Speaker 2 Sorry. And she's like, I'll go there.
And I'm like, I don't think you want to go here. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then I said, good night. Were you outside like sharing a SIG with her? Is that how the interaction started?

Speaker 2 No, it was at this place called

Speaker 2 Italian Part.

Speaker 1 RPM. RPM Italian.
Yeah. Yeah.
Shout out to Juliana and Bill.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, they were smart.

Speaker 1 The way they did that branding with the restaurants and RPM Italian is fantastic. Fantastic.
Anytime I play Chicago, you bet your ass. I got a Rezzi at RPM.

Speaker 2 Every time we go back,

Speaker 2 we go back.

Speaker 1 Great seafood tower. One of the best.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but I'm really into Salt Lake City. The fact that Mary was sitting at dinner in uh, where were they, Puerto Vallarta, and she thought she was eating pastrami soup.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and they were like, it's minestrone soup, but also, who's eating minestrone soup at the beach in Mexico?

Speaker 2 At all.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I was very, unless it's Gazpacho.

Speaker 2 I don't know what we're doing.

Speaker 1 So I was very confused by all of that. I did watch What Happens Live with Bronwyn and her husband.
And oh, you did?

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. And I got to be honest with you, he was lovely.
So I don't know.

Speaker 2 See, I told you.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I think that obviously he's the villain, but

Speaker 1 they were lovely and they seemed very in love. And Bronwyn was a doll.

Speaker 2 So she's a doll with us. She is a doll.
And I, you know, she

Speaker 2 shared some light into their relationship in the most recent episode.

Speaker 1 Oh, so I'm not caught up. Well, I saw the one on the boat where they were chit-chatting.

Speaker 2 Yeah, the one in the boat where she's like, yeah, some of those who cheated on me. Yeah.
Yeah. I don't know.
Why have we not had two episodes?

Speaker 2 Did you

Speaker 2 cheated on me?

Speaker 2 It was like, it was like he was texting or something, and Gwen, her daughter, saw, and then we had Heather and Whitney be like, Let's fucking kill that bitch.

Speaker 2 And then we had the ring with five promises. Oh, yes,

Speaker 2 five diamonds after.

Speaker 2 I need a second.

Speaker 1 What is life? What is life?

Speaker 2 The way she just threw that in was like, she's fucking rich. Sorry.
They're so fucking rich. They're so rich.
She's like, yeah. And like, he did that.

Speaker 2 And then he just gave me like this ring with five diamonds in it. Yeah.
And it was five diamonds. And then he let me talk about it on national television.

Speaker 2 And then let me talk about national television. And then I, to my knowledge, she does kind of do a backtrack.
Okay. where she's like, no, no, no, it wasn't like cheating.

Speaker 2 Where are y'all getting that from?

Speaker 1 It was. She was sobbing on that, on that speedboat after Ted Margaritas and definitely said he was cheating.
Definitely. So you can't backtrack that one.

Speaker 2 What was his, what, wasn't he asked something on Watch What Happens Live? Didn't Andy be like, what's, what's.

Speaker 1 Are you? I'm usually pretty hammered when I do this.

Speaker 2 So I don't remember much. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Great. Okay.
They were lovely, though.

Speaker 1 When I was talking to her, she was like, wait till the season unfolds. Like, Heather and I are really going to go at it.
And I get, people think I'm Heather Gay all the time.

Speaker 2 Do they?

Speaker 1 Yeah. And Heather Gay has been so sweet to me.
But I was at a restaurant in Denver at Quality Meets. And I had a show that night in Denver.
And this, I'm standing outside waiting on my car.

Speaker 1 And this woman walks out and she's like, Heather. And I turn around.
She goes, oh, you're not Heather Gay.

Speaker 1 And I said, oh, I'm so sorry. No, I'm not Heather Gay.
And she goes, I heard there was a famous Heather out there.

Speaker 2 Ugh.

Speaker 1 And was so, this fan was so upset that I was not Heather Gay. I mean, from the back, we both have blonde hair.
And I was like, no, I'm so sorry, ma'am. I was like, would you like a hug?

Speaker 1 And she just walked back at the restaurant.

Speaker 2 I was like, okay, fantastic.

Speaker 1 So no selfie. Yeah, no selfie.
Yeah. Perfect.
Salt Lake City is doing the Lord's work. That's all we need to know.

Speaker 2 They are carrying, I believe, the entire franchise.

Speaker 1 However, Beverly Hills is a group.

Speaker 2 Beverly Hills is really good. Beverly Hills is good.
How are you feeling about Darit's like single era?

Speaker 1 This is the first time I've liked Darit.

Speaker 2 Same.

Speaker 1 This is the first time I've been like, I connect with Darret.

Speaker 2 Well, you actually believe what she's saying this season. Last season, I was like, I don't know, fashion, fashion, fashion.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I feel like she's dropping the accent a little bit. Like when she's arguing with people, she's getting a little bit more Connecticut.
Yes. Less like

Speaker 1 Cotswold's.

Speaker 2 Woman of the world. Right, right.
Yeah. Denise is coming out, not Darit.

Speaker 1 Exactly. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I like,

Speaker 1 I just love seeing Kathy Hilton driving around in her Bentley.

Speaker 2 What am I trying to say?

Speaker 1 Convertible. Jesus.
I'm really having a stroke here. I'm just obsessed with her and her sun hat driving around in the Bentley, trying to be a normal gal.
That brings me so much joy.

Speaker 1 Seeing somebody that rich try and relate.

Speaker 2 She, to me, is like the Mary of

Speaker 1 her box fan and drinking Red Bulls at 2 a.m. Cause you thought it was like a club soda.

Speaker 2 You're always like, what's next? What's next? What could they possibly do that's going to be amazing no matter how it lands? Yeah. Whether it lands or doesn't land.
It's all, it's all fun.

Speaker 1 And I love that Kathy Hilton keeps pushing like Hilton products. Like as if we don't, we've never heard of the brand Hilton Hotels.
You know, they're always doing a product placement for Hilton.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, I'm pretty sure Hilton's doing overlooked.

Speaker 2 I'm doing not. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You ever heard of it? At Hilton Hotel? Like, yeah.

Speaker 2 Wasn't Beverly Hilton. Isn't that where the Golden Hosts were? The Golden Ghosts were? Yep.

Speaker 1 We, we got ready. I spent the night there.
A lot of, you know, things have gone down at the Beverly Hilton. So I was definitely hoping there were no ghosts in my room.
So, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But it was great.

Speaker 2 Feel any?

Speaker 1 No, I did not. But they had the heat blasting.
And I just got to say something.

Speaker 1 In Los Angeles in January, if it gets chilly at night, these hotels have got to quit. They turn off the heat.

Speaker 1 I mean, I'm waking up, can't catch my breath.

Speaker 2 They're acting like winter finally showed up and they're really excited. Yeah, it's some bullshit.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So I'm dry.
I'm dusty. I'm dry.
My eyes are watering. I'm really shutting down.

Speaker 2 When do you go back home? A month.

Speaker 1 I'm here all month. You're here all month? I'm here all month.
I'm doing the Critics' Choice this weekend. Then I'm going to go to Hawaii for a couple of days.

Speaker 1 I come back, I work, and then I head back to the East Coast and then I'm back on tour.

Speaker 2 Is your husband back at home in Atlanta?

Speaker 1 He's at home watching the Frenchies right now. And then he's going to come out next week because he's made a lot of golf tea times.
So

Speaker 1 he's got places to hit yeah you know what um what are your Frenchie's names rigatoni and macaroni love my sister has two as well and they're Beatrice and Tinkerbell oh my god they're perfect BT BT B T I got Max and Rigs and they're the loves of my life and I birthed them and they breastfed and everything that it's perfect yeah oh my god and they will bite your children so don't bring them over to my house

Speaker 1 my sister locks her's out too yeah they're all crazy and um do they sleep in the bed with you absolutely they mouth to mouth tongue tongue to tongue, tit to tit. Yes, absolutely.

Speaker 1 We do a lot of skin to skin.

Speaker 2 Those are my babies. But hold a butthole.
Butthole to butthole, honey.

Speaker 1 Yeah. If you don't wake up in the middle of the night and you got a friendy butthole in your butthole, then you don't love your dogs.
So I believe that.

Speaker 2 Are you following the Blake Lively and Justin Beldoni story?

Speaker 1 Yes, but I don't know what is up, what is down. I am so confused.
I'm trying to keep up.

Speaker 2 I don't know what the fuck's happening. They have our head in like a blender and they're just like blending it up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 1 I don't know what's happening. All I know is,

Speaker 1 all I know is just the whole press tour was confusing. The movie was confusing.
I was never dialed into that story, but what can you update me on? Does he have receipts?

Speaker 2 He's like,

Speaker 2 you said it was okay that I came into your trailer while you were pumping one day, as if that was like a green light for everything going forward. Got it.

Speaker 1 And were there specific incidences that she said? Because I know she said like he was showing her like nude videos.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. She said there was a lot of like ad-libbing and sexual scenes where he's like, and now I'm going to like make out with your neck, even though that wasn't approved in a script.

Speaker 2 And I want to bite your lip and I want to suck on your tongue. And I want to be like, yeah, fuck this guy.
Whoa, whoa, I don't want to.

Speaker 1 It takes so little not to be a creep. So little.
So that's why whenever I hear these stories, I'm like, yeah, they were being a fucking creep. I mean, you just got to go to work and not be a creep.

Speaker 1 How fucking hard is that?

Speaker 2 It can't. It can't be that hard.

Speaker 1 It can't be that hard. Come on, guys.

Speaker 2 So that's kind of what's taking over pop culture currently in this moment. All right.
So we'll see. It's, it continuously unfolds more and more and more and more.
So, you know, hang on.

Speaker 1 I'm hanging on. I'm doing the best I can.
Truly.

Speaker 2 You know? Have you ever had like a

Speaker 2 somebody try and suck my neck on a scene?

Speaker 1 I didn't want you to bring up the old porn I used to do.

Speaker 2 Now that we're here.

Speaker 1 No, I would love to be cast as like the hot girl who, you know, that fantasy plays in my mind all the time that I'm, you know, I'm with, I don't know, the Rock Dwayne Johnson and something fabulous is happening.

Speaker 1 But no, I'm always like the funny best girl. I love the rocks.
Who like plays the alcoholic. Yeah, I do too.

Speaker 2 There's something about Dwayne The Rock Johnson. Yeah.
The Rock. Dwayne Johnson.
Yeah. It's his brother.

Speaker 2 It is his brother. I'm assuming you've met guys who've like, you know, wherever it's work or in situations, like show up as like these super nice guy and says all the right things.

Speaker 2 And all of a sudden behind closed door, they're like, what are you?

Speaker 1 You're fucking weirdo. I'm in comedy.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 1 They're all like that. No, there's, there's a lot of good guys, but yeah, a lot of these, these guys, again, how hard is it? Just don't be a creep.
Yeah. It's not that hard.

Speaker 1 A lot of them i'm sure also think they're being funny yeah you know and it's like well i will say though i'm 5'10 big broad shoulders and i kind of i i'm lucky i haven't had a lot of situations where people have tried to take advantage of me because when you're this tall in this business and like you're a tall dude but most of the guys in this biz are little little pip face

Speaker 1 so a lot of them know that i could put them in a loose headlock yeah and lights out you know

Speaker 1 so i think i physically command a room when i walk in they're like okay we're not gonna fuck with this bitch And I remove myself from the industry because I live in Atlanta. I come, I do my thing.

Speaker 1 I have my friends. I see my

Speaker 1 folks. I do the gigs.
And then I get the fuck out of here. And I love L.A.
I lived here for years. My husband and I met living in New York.

Speaker 1 We lived in New York, but I enjoy kind of living not in the biz. Yeah, I really do.

Speaker 1 Because that way I, you know, I see it, I leave it, I do my thing, but then I don't have to deal with this bullshit all day.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Right.
A little bit. So you're, I learned in your special that you are a golf widow.
I'm a golf widow. Yeah.
So my daddy. Your daddy.

Speaker 2 Well, at once upon a time, he was the 11th longest drive hitter in the world.

Speaker 1 Wait. Yeah.
Hold on. Diddy.
Diddy got a long drive and a big dong.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 2 Well, he's got seven kids. So

Speaker 2 my mom used to say, honey, your daddy could hang his coat up beside mine and I'd get pregnant. Wait.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. How do you feel knowing that your father is an enormous dick?

Speaker 2 Woo!

Speaker 2 Woo! Yeah. Talk about it for the first time.
You don't love it. I don't love it.
Okay. Well, you should tell him about the Christmas gift he gave you.
So he's a dreamer.

Speaker 2 He's, you know, created his own businesses. And since he used to, then he started taking over golf courses and being like, I was the 11th longest drive hitter in the world.

Speaker 2 I should like make this golf course better. And he was really good at it.
Okay.

Speaker 1 And that's a very prestigious job. Very prestigious job.
Run golf courses. People don't know that, but that's a hard gig to get.

Speaker 2 Exactly. Then got super sick.

Speaker 2 Oh, God bless. Oh, God.
Oh, God bless. Almost lost his life a few times.
Currently laid up in a hospital bed in his living room.

Speaker 2 Okay. Yeah.
So

Speaker 1 Daddy's not well. Wellness chick on Diddy.
Not well. Physically unwell.
Physically unwell.

Speaker 2 Self-induced.

Speaker 2 Definitely like the diet he had, you know, for a long time.

Speaker 1 I mean, did he like, did we lose a leg? Is it the diabetes flare-up or whatever?

Speaker 2 We're close to losing toes and legs. Oh, God.
I know, but they're all wrapped up at my wedding. He had to wear crocs because he couldn't get nothing over his feet.

Speaker 2 There's some trauma doping going on right now.

Speaker 2 So he was wearing black tie tuxedo and black crocs. Because daddy's toes are small.

Speaker 2 Daddy's toes are too small.

Speaker 2 Because he had the sugars. Hold on.
I need a minute. I need a minute.
You have too much sugar.

Speaker 1 That's the funniest shit I've ever heard. We've all been there.

Speaker 1 Honey, let me tell you what. You know how many people I know in the state of Georgia right now whose toes are swole.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 We're all doing the best. If you don't have gout, what are you doing?

Speaker 1 If you don't have gout or a toenail's about to fall off, you haven't lived.

Speaker 2 You know, you drank too much Coca-Cola as a kid, then you ain't living your best life you're not and so he was putting sweet tea in my bottle as a baby

Speaker 2 so i put on 45 pounds my freshman year at the university of mississippi because every time i was hungover which was every day of my life i'd have a giant sweet tea and i didn't realize it was like 40 000 calories oh god yeah and i would be like tweaking walking to like biology and i was like i feel great i got the nectar of the gods in me yeah okay exactly exactly and so he has now you know needed something to live for so he has started a new business and it is from the bed from the bed i love a work-from-home entrepreneur

Speaker 2 nothing will stop him he's remote so coven made him remote covid made him remote not the loss of limbs

Speaker 2 we all decided just to reevaluate our work from home situations okay okay exactly so he started this new business and it's basically like you know salt life

Speaker 2 do i know salt life i'm a do you know guy harvey yes we'll talk about that later So he basically is doing a Salt Life brand called Salt World or something.

Speaker 1 I can't catch my breath.

Speaker 2 Boating shirts with some big logo on the back.

Speaker 2 Well, he had to sell his boat because they had to pay for some medical expenses. So he gave me this shirt from his brand.
It's like all these names of these boats.

Speaker 2 And you know, people name their boats weird shit.

Speaker 1 Oh, I already have my boat name picked out. What is it?

Speaker 1 So my podcast is called Absolutely Not, but I would get an absolutely K-N-O-T, like a nautical knot absolutely not oh that's yeah yeah thank you i thought about that

Speaker 2 thank you okay continue okay um you know i my brother tony probably knows

Speaker 2 that these guys

Speaker 1 yellow comfort colored t-shirts i know they're very soft so i already know they are they are it's given a dry fit material i love that oh i love dry fit

Speaker 2 it's breathable it's breathable you know what i love

Speaker 2 with wicks away moisture oh thank god you know he did his research you know he did his research did he because you know what he was doing laid up on the hospital bed and had his computer because he's working remote.

Speaker 1 He had plenty of time to finger some samples. He did call some people over in a couple factories abroad.
I love that.

Speaker 2 And he was making everybody hats.

Speaker 1 What kind of hats?

Speaker 2 Baseball caps.

Speaker 1 I'm sorry. Like a fitted, like a nice trucker? Yeah.

Speaker 2 No, no, he wouldn't do trucker because he thought that truckers were like not.

Speaker 1 No, it's definitely a dot org.

Speaker 1 And then there's a link. to like a like a child obesity um charity that you think he's he's finagled everybody you think you're donating to to chubby kids but it's actually your buying merch.

Speaker 2 I don't believe he has a website, which I feel like is his first mistake in business.

Speaker 1 And you have six siblings?

Speaker 2 I do, yeah.

Speaker 1 So somebody in the family has to take this upon themselves to run this empire.

Speaker 2 And unfortunately, I believe.

Speaker 2 I said, does he have a website? My brother put Laughing Emoji. Not yet.
Okay. So we're working on it.

Speaker 1 And listen, I don't have free time, but I could take this up as my new gig.

Speaker 2 He also gave you a very beautiful Christmas ornament. Yes, he did.
So my dear grandmother passed away two years ago. Okay.
Thank you very very much. His mama? His mama.
Petty Sue. Grandmother.

Speaker 2 Hell yeah. And so for Christmas, he gave me an ornament of her where she's not smiling.
And it says, I'm always with you.

Speaker 1 Absolutely not. Absolutely not.
Cause I just said that twice. Y'all owe me $20.

Speaker 1 Wait.

Speaker 2 It says a big glass ornament with a picture of her in it. Mm-hmm.
And she's not smiling. And she's always with you.
Right before the day she died.

Speaker 1 I don't know how y'all feel about it, but I don't really have a lot of photos of my dead relatives around the house.

Speaker 1 You know, and people get upset about that, but I'm like, they're there, they're on the phone, right?

Speaker 2 They're in the heart, right? I don't need everybody on the tree.

Speaker 2 It's the biggest ornament we have, of course. It is.
Yeah, it's about this big.

Speaker 1 What did you do? What was your reaction when you opened it?

Speaker 2 Well, first, my brother, Jackson, was the only one who got one. And he sent it in the family group message.
The t-shirt or the ornament? Because she was actually sad.

Speaker 2 Everyone else got a t-shirt but her.

Speaker 1 Oh, if you had a boat, what would you say on your boat?

Speaker 2 Would you buy your boat? Oh my God, I haven't thought about it long enough.

Speaker 1 Okay, well, I'm just saying these are things.

Speaker 2 Well, technically, we have a boat. We have a pontoon, but we don't.
It doesn't have a name. No.
Where's your boat? Wisconsin. Oh, helli.

Speaker 1 Could we talk about Wisconsin? Yeah.

Speaker 2 You like Wisconsin? I love Wisconsin. You're going to come to the lake house?

Speaker 1 I would love to come to the lake house. And as an entrepreneur, as a real estate mogul, I think I need to start getting some land up north.
I'm feeling Wisconsin and Michigan mobile.

Speaker 2 We have some perfect lake property. We'd love to talk to you.

Speaker 1 Really?

Speaker 2 I'm dead ass. I am trying to get all the cool people I know to buy property on.

Speaker 1 Okay, well, then sold. Because I keep telling my husband, I'm like, what? We need, it's getting warmer.
You know what I mean? Also, is the heat on in here? My God, I'm sweating.

Speaker 2 I'm going to get so light.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I would love to buy something up on a beautiful lake up there. I like the vibes.
It's chill. When it's August in Georgia and it's 140 fucking degrees, I need to be, I need something crisp and cool.

Speaker 2 Middle September, I was paddleboarding on the lake. It was 80 degrees.
Done. And then we were ice skating on winter.
I'm there.

Speaker 2 Right. So I don't know if.

Speaker 1 You're a Packer fan. I'm not a Packers fan, but you know what?

Speaker 1 Why not? It's like SC football.

Speaker 2 Yeah. SCC football.
SE. SE.

Speaker 2 SE football. SCC.
SE. SC.

Speaker 2 SEC.

Speaker 1 SEC SAC. Sexy football.
It's sexy football.

Speaker 1 You know what? Listen, everybody else all over the country is just jealous. People try and talk shit about the SEC.

Speaker 1 Y'all are just jealous that we have a community and we're fun and we party and all the girls are cute and the guys all look like our ditties.

Speaker 2 They're all wearing loafers.

Speaker 1 They're all wearing loafers. And God, when I look back at some of the guys I dated at Ole Miss, I'm like, what the fuck was I doing?

Speaker 2 It is weird, though. Like the guys look the way they do and the ladies look the way they do.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it is.

Speaker 2 It's definitely a huge, like, yeah. Yeah, they're bred differently for sure.

Speaker 1 But how the guys pull that off, you you know that's our only options it's our only options and the khakis and then the like the the the the sunglass the sunglass holders for some reason we all had low self-esteem for a couple years yeah and now we're it's changing the tides are changing yeah because when i go back to old mist the guys are hot they got it together no kids also work out now like when i was in college i didn't go to the student fitness center once i was like no i'm gonna walk to the bar it's different we didn't really have social media like we had facebook but nobody really cared like Like I put on like 63 pounds one year.

Speaker 1 People were like, you've never, you're glowing. And I was not.

Speaker 2 1015 wasn't a thing.

Speaker 1 No, that was not. I walked in the house at Christmas break and my mom goes, turn around.
I can't look at you. I was like, you're right.
It's bad.

Speaker 1 I didn't know how to blend a smoky eye. I had no eyebrows.
So I, but I was thriving. I didn't know any wiser.
But like now the kids have the TikToks. You got to be hot.
You have to be hot.

Speaker 1 The guys have to be hot. The girls, everybody.
It has to be equal now.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that is so true. Were you,

Speaker 2 where'd you grow up? I grew up in Atlanta. In Atlanta.
Yeah, I grew up in Atlanta. And where you go into bars at like 11?

Speaker 1 I sure was.

Speaker 2 I sure was.

Speaker 2 Thank you for bringing up my old habits.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 I had an older sister and she went to Georget. So I would literally go down to like the fraternity parties and I'm, you know, a sophomore in high school and just got my braces off.

Speaker 1 But I'm like, my titties are coming in. So I was, I was lurking at the bar.

Speaker 2 I was popular. I was the predator.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Oh my God.
We were partying. We would go up to Athens.
Like all of our friends, older siblings were in Athens. Like we were, oh yeah, we were ranked.

Speaker 2 Oh oh my god so that's why when I got to college I always had a good time but I did I wasn't one of those kids who like went off the deep end because I was like guys I've been doing this I've been like I showed up with the menthols I was like y'all don't even know what we've been through exactly that's why I feel like I was able to get married and have a baby at 25 yeah well technically 20 how old was I when I got pregnant 24 I don't know, 25?

Speaker 2 Because I was in the bars and partying at 11 years old. So I was like, you know, I've done that.

Speaker 1 We've lived the lives.

Speaker 2 I've lived the lives. Now I'm ready.

Speaker 1 Now I'm ready to settle down at the rap old age of 16.

Speaker 1 I'm ready to be a team ride.

Speaker 2 Team mom. I am.
And I am. And, you know, I feel like we have a mutual hatred for Alabama.

Speaker 1 We do. But I love Coach Sabin.
I do. Cause I'm going to tell you, here's the thing.
Don't get it.

Speaker 1 He's great. And I love his daughter.
She's a friend of mine. And I just love, I love Miss Terry.
I love them. I made a lot of jokes about them in my special, but it's because it comes out of respect.

Speaker 1 So you can't not like the family. But Alabama fans are fucking crazy.
And they haunt me. And they say real tight in my comments.
I'm like, we're not even, we haven't played y'all in like three years.

Speaker 1 Like, let it fucking go. What are we we doing here?

Speaker 2 You know, they killed our tree.

Speaker 1 They did kill your tree. Tombers Corner, right? Yeah.
Yeah. And I think that was what they didn't.
It was just some psycho redneck Alabama fan. I mean, in Tuscaloosa's, it's not a great town.

Speaker 1 And then they're going to come for me. Why am I saying this? I'm going to lose an entire

Speaker 1 demographic of my fans. But yeah, no, I mean, they came for y'all and it wasn't nice.
They killed your tree.

Speaker 2 They killed our tree. They poisoned our tree.

Speaker 1 They're slowly destroying our ecosystem.

Speaker 2 One by one. One Alabama fan at a time.
Well, they weren't good this year.

Speaker 1 They weren't good and honestly i think it's karma and they deserved it and we were good and yeah we choked a big dick at florida but we should have been in the playoffs i do strongly feel it that way yeah well we're never good yeah you guys you guys came back a little bit it's okay you have our our old coach you do really i think you got our handmade down who's your coach right now coach nut

Speaker 2 nut nut who's your no not who's auburn coach malzon no no

Speaker 2 no

Speaker 2 War Eagle. War Eagle.
We're not good. Someone haven't been watching.

Speaker 1 Houston Nut. I think think you have our old coach.

Speaker 2 It can't be Houston Nut. Got to be.
Hugh Freed. Hugh Free is our old coach.
Houston Nut. Yeah, sorry.

Speaker 1 We had Houston Nut. He left.

Speaker 2 How does he feel with that name?

Speaker 1 Well, actually, we used to have towels

Speaker 1 that we called them nut rags, and we would spin them in the stadium.

Speaker 2 So honestly, great branding marketing.

Speaker 1 I'm a guy. How do you feel about these NIL deals?

Speaker 2 I'm definitely an NFL guy over a college football guy.

Speaker 1 No, no, sorry. The NIL deals.

Speaker 2 Yeah, them paying the business. Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah, yeah. Sorry.
Sorry. Sorry.
I mean, I'm honestly fine. Yeah.
Fine with it. I'm glad the kids are getting paid.

Speaker 1 I'm glad the kids are getting paid.

Speaker 2 I mean, NCAA was definitely like organized crime. Yeah.
A lot of rich old men just like making a lot of money over athletic kids who like

Speaker 2 couldn't afford lunch. Yeah.
Or like, you know, would get in trouble because someone bought them a dinner. Uh-huh.
It seemed kind of weird. I don't have all the answers.

Speaker 2 I'm sure there's a lot of like gaps and

Speaker 2 I don't know if it's like done good for the. the sport, but whatever.
Yeah. Did you see Baby Girl?

Speaker 1 I haven't seen Baby Girl yet.

Speaker 2 Are you waiting for it to to get on

Speaker 2 the stream?

Speaker 1 On the streaming. Yeah, I am.
Well, here's the thing, because when I got my neck done, I wasn't really able to leave the house that much. So I had to watch stuff from home.

Speaker 1 But Baby Girl's on the top of my list because I love, I love Miss Nicole.

Speaker 2 Oh, and so do I. And I also love an erotic thriller.

Speaker 1 Oh, do I love erotica? I'll tell you what. I love to listen to erotic books.

Speaker 1 And that's something my Mimi used to do. She used to always read the romance novels.
I remember picking one of those up when I was like 10 and I was like, Mimi, this is steamy.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 Yeah, well, I have to go in and out because sometimes I do, in fact, need a break. My clit needs a break.

Speaker 1 Can I be honest with you? That is, if I ever ran for president, that would be my platform. I'm Heather McMahon running for president and my clit needs a break.

Speaker 1 Every woman in America does feel like our clit needs a break.

Speaker 2 And sometimes it does.

Speaker 1 It does. It does.

Speaker 2 Yeah. So I do have to take breaks from my erotica books and music and TV shows and movies.

Speaker 1 Now, when you go to look at porn, what is, what is is your uh girl and girl girl oh my god i don't mean to say dick are kidding me wait a minute i'm so glad we can discuss this yeah because you want to know why it's like they're both attractive exactly i've never had like a lesbian trist

Speaker 1 it's just everyone seems pleased exactly so if i see a sex scene and it's some guy with a barbed wire tattoo who immediately starts like making a like skull fucking a girl i'm driving i'm literally calling the cops i'm like who is it who are these actors this is not consensual everyone's ugly i hate them and i report them exactly i leave a one-star report.

Speaker 2 Exactly. The second a hand is on my head.
Absolutely not. I'm out.
I'm out. I'm out.
I'm out. I'm out.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 So, girl and girl, because I don't need the aggressiveness of the man involved.

Speaker 1 If everyone's just seeing like their

Speaker 1 pets and kitty cats and having a good time, I'm like, you know what it is? Okay, I think I just figured it out because as women were so high-strung, we're so overstimulated.

Speaker 1 It's like you finally see two women relaxing. It's not even anything sexual.
It's not like, oh, it's like, I don't want to stare at a vagina.

Speaker 2 There's just like two women working on their mental health. No, literally.

Speaker 1 It's watching two women finally take a fucking break.

Speaker 2 That is porn for us. Maybe that's why it does nothing for me.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 1 Yes. That's probably why they seem too relaxed.
They seem too relaxed. Now, what's your porn style?

Speaker 2 I don't know.

Speaker 2 You come on. Okay, fine.
Spill it. Spill it.
Spill it. I don't know.
He doesn't mind. Man, woman, you know.

Speaker 1 Not gay shit.

Speaker 2 They don't worry about that.

Speaker 1 That's it.

Speaker 2 Man, woman. Definitely straight sex.
Never.

Speaker 2 Never.

Speaker 1 Two dudes. If I saw two dudes in the same room, exit.
Even if they were just circle jerking, I'd be like, report. Yeah, that's great.

Speaker 2 That was just such a great, great response.

Speaker 1 We felt it. We felt, we got it.
We got it.

Speaker 1 When I fattened my husband's board, I was very relieved, though. It was kind of like, it was just kind of...
a little boring and I was like, oh, that's nice.

Speaker 2 It wasn't like stepdaughters, fucking nannies.

Speaker 1 No, no, absolutely not. No, there was no weird, like, you know,

Speaker 2 it's the titles.

Speaker 1 And anytime it's like young, I'm like, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 2 I go, whoa.

Speaker 1 Why are we even saying that? That freaks me the fuck out. No, whoa.
I literally type in mature,

Speaker 1 mature lesbians who both have mortgages on homes. Like, that's what I'm looking for.

Speaker 2 I don't want any responsible, fiscally responsible. TAS 401k.

Speaker 1 Tas 401k above the age of 35 or bust. I absolutely am not.
I don't understand this. I mean, people are sick bucks.

Speaker 2 Sick fucks. Sick bucks.
Sometimes when I will like see Nick or catch Nick or maybe he's like, I'm like, oh, let me look something up on Google quick on his sound. Oh my God, and it pops up.

Speaker 2 I'm like, read that out loud to me.

Speaker 1 That is my favorite way to humiliate master.

Speaker 2 Page me down loud.

Speaker 1 And it's like, I love to squirt 3,000.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 And then I turn to it and I go, I'm cat sitter. And it's like,

Speaker 2 I want you to say it.

Speaker 1 I want you to say say it out loud that you wanted to watch the cat sitter squirt across the room yeah yeah yeah yeah wow say it's like say it out loud it's like in front of the class too no i have to say it out loud my favorite thing in the world is to catch my husband jerking off it brings me so much joy i laugh about it deeply for days what is his reaction is it like a little boy

Speaker 2 you got me

Speaker 2 there's love on the floor you also just look at him and go

Speaker 2 Yeah, and I use it walk away and she's with such shame.

Speaker 1 Oh, I literally close. I go, are you for real right now?

Speaker 2 I'm like, my mom's home.

Speaker 1 Okay, you're disgusting.

Speaker 2 Are you being serious?

Speaker 1 There are days where I'm like, I'm home. And I go, I was literally, I'm just like putting up the dishes.

Speaker 1 You could have fucking texted me.

Speaker 1 Yo, but you just seem like you were stressed out.

Speaker 2 I would be less stressed if you just fucked me, you know?

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, there's, he has a setup. I'm working actually on this whole dude bit, but he has a full setup where like he's got like the iPad up, the phone,

Speaker 1 he's got the lotions, the potions.

Speaker 2 He's in the chair, the towel is adjusting. He's multi-streaming?

Speaker 1 He's multi-streaming.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 Heads that you had to squirt across.

Speaker 2 What does he think about while he's eating you out?

Speaker 2 It's got to be. I mean, so much.

Speaker 1 No, he's thinking about Penn State football. Period.

Speaker 2 I know he is.

Speaker 1 He's so dialed in right now and it's stressful. He's one of those who like doesn't have a healthy relationship with sports.
Like he thinks he's the coach.

Speaker 2 Oh, and he's in playoff football. He's in playoff football right now.

Speaker 1 So that'll, yeah. I hope he's re-upped his blood pressure medication because I'm worried about that.
But I'm going to ask him.

Speaker 2 I'm going to ask him about that. You should ask him to read them all out.

Speaker 1 I am because he's done a lot of work down there and hasn't really gone up here because the neck's still swollen.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. So I'm going to ask them that.
I'm going to text him right after this. Could you?

Speaker 1 I would.

Speaker 2 And I'll report back to you.

Speaker 1 That would be great. But that is, wow, we really uncovered something there.
That women like to watch other women have sex because they just like to know that they're relaxed.

Speaker 2 Exactly. It's like a look into therapy session.

Speaker 1 It really is.

Speaker 2 And it's like, wow.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I never, the pizza guy comes over.
They're always gross.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Why can't there be more attractive men in porn why can't there be it's always women with the biggest set of titties yeah and then a guy who just looks like he got crawled out from under a subway station literally he's selling meth under the 101 he is they're all

Speaker 2 i don't care with 14 cock rings around it we don't care about the giant cock

Speaker 1 i could give a fuck i really i'm just like oh i'm gonna have a u ti for three days

Speaker 2 we're really women seeking man yeah i do feel like male porn star names too are always something scary that feels like you would contract something. Like it's like a Donnie.

Speaker 2 Yeah, rested Donnie.

Speaker 1 Chester. Yeah, I don't like it.
Yeah. You know, but you know, it's nice to click on Miranda.

Speaker 2 Miranda Lindsay. Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 Have fun on the soccer field.

Speaker 1 That's, again,

Speaker 1 that's public. I also don't, but people are like, oh, where's the craziest place you had sex? I'm like, in my, where I currently have sex, my mom's house.

Speaker 1 Like, I don't, I'm not trying to have sex outside.

Speaker 2 Like, out, out and about. That's very, yeah, that's very high school.

Speaker 2 Like, we don't, like, let's just wait till we get home.

Speaker 1 Wait till we get home. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Like, we don't need to do it it in this like public restroom.

Speaker 1 That feels I know my mom could come home from Trader Joe's at any minute. We're already risky.
You know?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I don't, it's not, it's not very hot. It's not, you don't feel like rushed.

Speaker 1 I know, I do feel hot. I feel rushed.
I feel sweaty. I feel stressed.

Speaker 2 Our daughter was conceived with Nellie's mom there.

Speaker 1 Okay. Where was she in the home?

Speaker 2 I believe she was sleeping. Okay.
Or maybe she wasn't sleeping. Maybe she was just in the bedroom next door.
Hearing you guys. Maybe she was watching girl on girl.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Honestly, what she was doing. But yeah um she was conceived that night and that's a beautiful thing thank you

Speaker 2 yeah i'm i'm glad that we have the memory of when she was conceived i feel like maybe it'd be a little bit more confusing if it was maybe every day

Speaker 2 oh no i need to step up

Speaker 2 you know it's it's like i'm in the kitchen yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah uh-huh i hear you yeah yeah Well, you have a beautiful baby.

Speaker 1 Thank you.

Speaker 2 And I might need an egg.

Speaker 1 So if you guys,

Speaker 1 if you like get done, you know what I mean? Cause you're young. You've got great jeans.
I would, I would really love an egg, maybe, possibly. I would love to give you a break.

Speaker 1 I'm probably going to do like another round of egg freezing, IVF, and stuff. And I just don't have it in me right now.
Yeah. I've been a little busy and I'm tired and I'm very bloated.

Speaker 1 So I might need, you know, you're young and youthful.

Speaker 1 We're already kindred spirits. Exactly.
So I'm just saying.

Speaker 1 I mean, we could do it.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You don't have to be a part of it or you can.

Speaker 2 I got the sense of like, why are you inventing yourself now?

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Have you ever, has, has swinging ever entered your relationship? Like a thought? Say that again. Swinging.

Speaker 1 No. And I'll tell you why.
If I was going to have a threesome, I wouldn't swing. I don't want to swing with another couple.
It's too.

Speaker 2 It's awesome.

Speaker 1 If I was going to have a threesome, I'm on the Lido deck on a cruise.

Speaker 1 I will never see these people again. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm also not going to try and be between two men. Absolutely.
So I'm going to get, are you fucking kidding? I'm going to get like just pit roasted. Like, I don't know.

Speaker 1 I don't want to, I have enough holes, but I don't want more dicks slapping me in the face. I don't want that.
Or if I was with another woman, I might get a little jealous.

Speaker 1 She's getting more attention.

Speaker 1 I just feel like the math is not mathing there. Right.
And I don't ever want to swing because women, we all talk about our husbands, our boyfriends, our partners, whatever.

Speaker 1 You know, like if one of my girlfriends, we're on a group chat. If one of my girlfriend's husband has like hemorrhoids, we know about it.

Speaker 1 She's like, God damn it, Mark woke up with the hemorrhoids and he's being a fucking asshole.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So I know too much about these people.
Even if they're attractive, I'm not trying to fuck. any of my friends' spouses.
No, I'm like, okay, so Dan had diarrhea for four days. That's so true.

Speaker 1 You know, I'm like, I'm good. I know too much.
I'm good. I don't look at any of these people in a sexual light.

Speaker 2 That's so very attractive, but I'm good.

Speaker 1 Wow. And would you ever want to swing? No.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I think for that exact reason.
You know, I just feel like close confidant is probably not the route to take.

Speaker 1 Let's just recap. I came in upset about my dead father.
Then I told you I had my neck done. Now we're talking about our board.
Kitchen, our spouse is jerking off. Well, you know what?

Speaker 1 I don't want to seem like an old lady. Maybe I should put that out there.
Maybe I add that to my vision board. Anybody would like to have a threesome? Just let me know.

Speaker 1 I probably won't respond to the DM, but I'd just like to know that people want me.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean? 2025, right next to the green juice, right next to

Speaker 2 the Pilates board.

Speaker 1 All that. Just let me know if you'd ever consider fucking me.
I would really, I just need that. Just, I just want to fill my spirit with that level of confidence.

Speaker 2 Okay, perfect. All right, great.
Uh, Heather, you're awesome.

Speaker 1 You guys are great. Thank you for having me.

Speaker 2 I love you. Thank you for having me.

Speaker 1 This was a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 I really love you.

Speaker 2 Anytime. We're going to promote everything you're doing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I got a tour coming up. Get your tickets at heatherintour.com.
It's the Bamboozle Tour. And I got a podcast.
And, you know, I don't know.

Speaker 2 What's the name of the podcast?

Speaker 1 Absolutely not. Thank God.
I think I said it five times, so I think somebody's got to pay me money for that.

Speaker 2 So, yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 But yeah, check the podcast out and come see me on the road.

Speaker 2 Can we come see you on the road? Absolutely.

Speaker 1 Okay, thank God. I'll get you tickets to the LA show.
All right.

Speaker 2 Well, be sure to check out all of the great stuff Heather is doing. We appreciate Heather coming on.
Also, thank you to Emily Bager, who also joined us as well. We will see you back on Thursday.
Bye.