E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA

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Speaker 3 What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I'm your host, Nick, and boy, every week just gets better and better.

Speaker 3 Because, boy, we have a jam-packed week lined up for you this week.

Speaker 3 This week, we have Joel Kim Booster joining us momentarily this episode along with your happy couple, Grant and Juliana, to talk about their new relationship, their fallout from the AFR.

Speaker 3 Thoughts on Latia's comments, the dis video that Carolina, Grant had a video, popped up, came down. What's going on there? So many burning questions.
And then tomorrow, get ready.

Speaker 3 It's a very special going deeper one that's been in the works i think for the better part of a year tom sandoval returned to the vile files following his what many call the the most talked about maybe episode of the vile files of all time when tom first graced us uh with his uh photograph of a of a tiger was he on time

Speaker 3 You'll have to find out. Anyways, that is tomorrow.
Also, his lady, his girlfriend, his woman.

Speaker 1 His girlfriend. his girlfriend

Speaker 3 his lover his female his counterpart his partner his girlfriend his lover victoria is also with us and it's a nice little glimpse into their relationship i think many of you will be very interested in what tom has to say i think you should be very excited to hear this episode i was very excited to sit with him um it is just me nally was not um

Speaker 3 feeling well Oh, when that was.

Speaker 5 Well, it was the day that I had my DNC procedure, so I was not able to make it in the studio. Unfortunately, I wish I could have been called dude a couple more times, but

Speaker 3 you know,

Speaker 3 I would have loved to see you

Speaker 3 there because I would have really loved your opinion, whether you've seen any growth from Tom, any maturity, what you thought about the relationship.

Speaker 3 I thought it was really interesting.

Speaker 1 Well, I'll have to watch it back, and I'll give you my thoughts on Thursday. How about that?

Speaker 3 Plus, we got a jam-packed episode on Thursday of Reality Recap. So, be sure to tune in to that.
Next week gets even better, guys. I'm telling you.
So, Temptation Island Reunion. Thank you guys.

Speaker 3 Obviously, I hope you guys all enjoyed it. It was a, it was a fun ride.
For all the people who were hoping that Brean and Shantae were there,

Speaker 1 so do we.

Speaker 3 But, you know, honestly, I think it kind of worked out. It was, it was a full room.
Yeah. You know, we only had about three hours of recording time with them.

Speaker 3 I tell you what, though, you understand why when you hear about how those like Bravo reunions go. uh and they take like hours and hours of film.
I mean, we were pretty efficient.

Speaker 3 Like we were really going. The conversation was, I mean, it was fast-paced.
There was really no like.

Speaker 5 It was hard to get Grant to talk about anything other than Ashley's TikToks, to be honest with you. He was very steadfast on her posting TikToks.
Yes.

Speaker 4 Yes, yes, yes. He's like, yes, I know I cheated, but did you see the TikToks?

Speaker 5 You posted a mean TikTok of me.

Speaker 3 Listen, I'm very appreciative of all the

Speaker 3 casts who showed up. I mean, none of them had to go.
They all put themselves out there and put themselves in clearly a very uncomfortable situation. So we we very much appreciate all of them.

Speaker 3 And yeah, I mean, listen, it was interesting to hear all their perspectives. You know, when you meet them in person, it's it's hard not to,

Speaker 3 you know, to hit humanize them. Like you meet them and like they're charming sides to all of them.
You know, they're, they, they may all have things to work on. But yeah, that was a...

Speaker 5 I will say I don't think Grant was the biggest fan of me after that interview.

Speaker 5 I don't know if it was my question about his daughter or if it was me challenging him on Ashley's TikToks, but he did not want a photo with me and he did not want to say goodbye to me.

Speaker 1 So he kind of clocked him. He was pretty great.

Speaker 4 I got to say.

Speaker 5 I think he's mad at me.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he might, he might, you know, he's an emotional guy. I hope that Grant and he does think he has more to work on.

Speaker 3 There's just a little bit of like for Grant because it's like these past six months. He's like worked really hard, you know? And I think for anyone who's maybe, it was some bare minimum stuff.

Speaker 3 I think I understand it was maybe hard for him, but like the way he was describing how meaningful that period of time was where he just wasn't cheating on Ashley.

Speaker 3 My wish for Grant is that he keeps working on himself and he expects a little bit more of himself going forward.

Speaker 3 As far as the Brean and Shante of it all, yeah, I mean, my same questioning that I would have asked him was, you know, similar to Grant's.

Speaker 3 It's just like, I empathize with his upbringing, his childhood, but it's just like that was seemed to be shown to us as a way to feel sorry for him about his decisions in the house.

Speaker 3 It's like, you know, we can still empathize with Breon's childhood and still hold him accountable for how he was or wasn't as a boyfriend.

Speaker 3 And I still don't really understand why like checking a threesome off your list is like such a thing for him and his ability to like victimize himself.

Speaker 5 I would have loved some clarity, but there was a lot of jaw-dropping moments. I was definitely very like

Speaker 5 at multiple times. So if you haven't haven't watched or listened to that episode, you very much should.

Speaker 3 You should check it out. Shantae was going to come.
For a moment, we thought it was going to be nine of them. And then we had heard that she had opted out because of optics.

Speaker 3 Like she didn't want to come without Breon, who apparently couldn't get off because of work purposes. But we heard they tried.

Speaker 1 So that's just what we heard.

Speaker 3 How accurate that is or isn't, we don't know. But anyways, be sure to check it out.

Speaker 3 Wherever you listen to podcasts, you can certainly watch it on YouTube as well. It is a spectacle.
And I'm glad you all, for those of you who did watch, I'm glad you guys all very much enjoyed it.

Speaker 3 What is going on with Justin Bieber?

Speaker 5 No, what is going on with Chapel Roan?

Speaker 1 Oh, we won't start there. Mary?

Speaker 5 Chapel Roan says that she doesn't know anyone who is happy with children. Go ahead.

Speaker 4 She says they're all in hell.

Speaker 1 Go ahead.

Speaker 6 I think that Chapel Roan,

Speaker 6 here's my thing. Is she kind of a hater in general? Yes.
And I think that's a fair, like to criticize her for kind of just like having it.

Speaker 7 Exactly. But so am I.

Speaker 5 But doesn't she identify as a feminist?

Speaker 6 Yeah. I mean, I don't know what her like deep, I think she, Chapel Roan, I think I relate to her in the way that like she just says shit.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 And sometimes I just say shit too, like just to like, Yeah, I'm not really thinking about what's going to come out of my mouth before I say it. And I'm not sure.

Speaker 3 But in fairness to you, you are a budding, young,

Speaker 3 you know, full of potential, thank you, young person,

Speaker 5 and she is hot.

Speaker 3 She is in a position of immense power and influence with a very dedicated and influential audience.

Speaker 1 Yeah, she's

Speaker 3 out there just ringing it.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 And you know what? Respect to that because I don't know if I would do well in that position, getting famous like overnight. I think I would probably say a lot of stupid things as well.
Fair as that.

Speaker 6 And I understand why people are frustrated with this comment. And I think my take on it personally, I'm not saying it's right or wrong.

Speaker 6 I think that like she is a 26-year-old lesbian who does not like.

Speaker 6 want that in her life. And she's projecting and she's like, no, every single person with kids is fucking miserable.
And it made me laugh personally. Do I believe it's true? No.

Speaker 6 Did I think it was funny? Yes.

Speaker 3 What, what are the chances? Because like when Nellie and I first, first we got a dog and then it was like, ooh, you know,

Speaker 3 these dogs really come in handy. We want to leave a party early.
You know, it's like, oh, we got dogs. Boy, those dogs,

Speaker 3 they get you every time. And then when we had a daughter, it was like,

Speaker 3 ah, we got a daughter. We have to go home.

Speaker 1 And it's like, oh, the kids are so hard.

Speaker 3 You know, so it's like kind of, it's a really great get out of jail free card.

Speaker 3 Any chance that her friends have been like, kind of like, oh, that damn kid of ours. Oh, it's so tough.
And they're like, yeah, sorry, Chapel, we can't come to your party or we have to leave early.

Speaker 3 And they keep blaming it on their kids. And maybe Chapel's perception of her friends with kids, or it's just like, they never, they never can hang out with me.

Speaker 6 They can't go to the pink pony club anymore.

Speaker 3 Yeah, because they keep blaming on their kids. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Do you think that's maybe it?

Speaker 6 That could be it. I mean, I don't want to speak for Chapel, but yeah.

Speaker 5 I do feel like her friends are probably like, what the fuck, bitch? I'm not in hell.

Speaker 4 I'm not miserable.

Speaker 5 Did I? no? I love my kids. Please don't put that out there.

Speaker 1 Joy.

Speaker 4 I will say, I'm in a group chat right now and we're talking about a party and my friend invited one of my best friend's kids as well. And she's like,

Speaker 4 she said, he said, your son's invited to didn't have his phone number. And she said, 1-800-possessed demon three-ager, send help.

Speaker 4 And her son just turned three and he's developed new, new behaviors. You know, so that's why I'm also kind of like.

Speaker 3 So maybe that's where Chapel's getting.

Speaker 4 Yeah, where it's just like, she loves her son. She's happy.
She would never like want to give him back or anything. But like, it's just like, she's like, nope, he's going through stage right now.

Speaker 1 And I don't know if I hate him.

Speaker 3 I will say Chappell has a really great ability to make being famous sound like really hard work.

Speaker 3 You know, like her, her plight of a celebrity,

Speaker 3 she's like comparing it to like. some real blue-collar work there.

Speaker 6 I think people also are, it's not blue-collar work at all.

Speaker 6 It definitely is a privilege, but I think what she's saying, like her take on fame is really interesting because it's kind of saying what everybody knows out loud about her level of fame and how it happened and how people treat pop stars, young women pop stars.

Speaker 6 You know what I mean? Yeah, but there's

Speaker 12 I enjoy it and I think people are really get real weird about her really quick and I don't understand.

Speaker 5 I can't imagine if someone looked at Chappell and was like, oh my God, you're so miserable. You're definitely like in hell right now.

Speaker 5 Like, and said all of the things that she said about mothers to her, I think she would handle that very terribly.

Speaker 4 Oh, yeah, probably.

Speaker 5 So it's like, how can she dish out to all of these women that like, yeah, anyone with kids, like, you're probably very fucking miserable and you're unhappy. And it's like

Speaker 1 her audience. I do think

Speaker 13 it is important to clarify that a lot of what she's saying and like recent interviews are just her kind of clowning. Like, yeah.

Speaker 5 She's not. How do you know when she's being truthful? Like, how can you?

Speaker 13 I mean, just if you know Chapel, you know her, like, just her presence is to be like, so is this one of those, like, is this one of those things where it's just like the comedians are like well I'm a comedian no I mean so when she was on the red carpet and everyone was like so that being said I mean it's a bit it's a bit but also to answer your question I don't think she's like grumpy about being famous but if you watch how she like presents herself in like interviews that she's uncomfortable like you can tell she's still like getting used to it and like kind of like

Speaker 5 she was like belting out singing songs on in that interview where it's like if I'm uncomfortable the last thing I'm gonna do I don't care if I'm like the best singer in the world is sing in front of one one person.

Speaker 13 But she is a singer, so like for her to sing, it's different from her to like present herself.

Speaker 3 She mentioned remembering to eat being like a real chore.

Speaker 1 Yeah, she did. But that's her thing.
She

Speaker 1 eat?

Speaker 1 Eat? I have to eat.

Speaker 13 She's just saying things to say things, though. She's not being like, this is like literally like.

Speaker 5 But that's dangerous as someone who is in a position of power. Like

Speaker 5 she is famous. She does have all these young fans.
And to like not take that role seriously, like you are given this platform.

Speaker 5 And to let's just like say shit to say shit and be like, ha ha ha, I don't take me seriously.

Speaker 3 I actually don't have a problem with her saying shit to say shit. As long as Chapel doesn't come for anyone else for saying shit.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You know,

Speaker 4 you can't be mad at a at a paparazzi for whatever the fuck they said that one time.

Speaker 3 I don't want to be goofy and messy and like, ah, you know, go be goofy and messy and ah, but you don't, you do not get to criticize others.

Speaker 6 I, I enjoy watching her figure it out. And I don't, I, I think that she's a real true diva that we're getting in pop music.
She's super cool. And I love a diva.
Mariah Carey says shit.

Speaker 6 You know, Lady Gaga says shit. Chapel Rhone says shit.

Speaker 13 I just don't think the young generation is listening to Chapel and being like, that's Jesus.

Speaker 1 Like what she's saying is. Yeah, you don't think so?

Speaker 5 That's how everyone treated Britney Spears. That's how everyone treated Lady Gaga.

Speaker 1 You shouldn't be treating.

Speaker 1 Of course not.

Speaker 1 I don't think that it was all.

Speaker 6 I don't think like how, I don't think they you have to be a role model. Like you can choose not to be a role model.

Speaker 13 Britney was like America's sweetheart. So of course they're going to look at her and be like, she knows everything.
But Chapel is like, she's here to troll.

Speaker 1 Troll. Like, so it's like...

Speaker 3 Well, and trolling she is. Yeah.

Speaker 12 She's making conversations.

Speaker 5 I think people need to put Hailey Bieber in the category of leave them the fuck alone.

Speaker 13 Haley Bieber specifically.

Speaker 1 Agreed with that.

Speaker 5 It will never end.

Speaker 5 These people are just like constantly trying to tear Hailey Bieber and Justin Bieber apart, and it makes zero fucking sense to me.

Speaker 4 I will say he didn't help with the post of her with irreplaceable playing over it.

Speaker 1 Have you seen that? No. On his main feed, he posted a photo at her.
Irreplays are

Speaker 4 Beyonce, but it's like, you must not know about me. Like, to the left, to the left, all the things you've owned in the box to the left.

Speaker 4 Like, it's pretty much a breakup song, but he posted it about her because I think he just was like, she's irreplaceable.

Speaker 3 The amount of songs that I like haven't fully listened to the lyrics that I love.

Speaker 5 He posted a video of some fucking wild turkeys to Heidi Montag's. I'll do it.

Speaker 1 That's kind of Heidi some love.

Speaker 3 I guess that lovely.

Speaker 5 But to wild turkeys, like, okay.

Speaker 1 No, I see the vision. I see the vision.

Speaker 13 I'm the same way. It's the vibe, not the lyrics.

Speaker 3 It's not that deep is really the answer.

Speaker 5 So Justin Bieber, it's not that deep.

Speaker 3 Oh, it's definitely not that deep. But Justin, I am a little concerned about his well-being, his internet engagement.

Speaker 5 He's trolling. Deactivate the account.

Speaker 3 And that's fine if he's trolling. But what if he's not?

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 4 it's like these people are professionals.

Speaker 5 They've been in this business for so long. You don't think they are aware that if Haley unfollows Justin on Instagram, that it's going to be a national story.
Like, you don't think they know that?

Speaker 5 You don't think they're having a conversation about that? Like, I think everything they do, they're like aware of what they're doing.

Speaker 4 But he did post a story that said, really tried to play nicey, nice, nicey, nicey.

Speaker 1 Where I'm like, who do you think he's talking to?

Speaker 5 What if that's lyrics to his next song that's coming out?

Speaker 13 He was on live, like playing music that's on release that was maybe not the best music.

Speaker 1 He's trying new things.

Speaker 6 He's being experimental. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Lyrical genius. Yes.

Speaker 3 He was very kind to us at a Christmas party. So we were totally.

Speaker 1 He seems super sweet. Yeah.
Very sweet.

Speaker 5 I mean, the amount of like this man had zero reason to even look in my direction. And he like complimented Nick and I.
He like danced with me. He gave us hugs.
Goodbye. Like.
A real pleasure.

Speaker 1 He's a good person. Kind man.
Would die for him.

Speaker 4 Just hope he's doing well.

Speaker 6 Never say never.

Speaker 5 And listen, I think he has a son.

Speaker 5 I think, remember when right after we had River and we were recording and everyone in the comments like oh my god nick looks so tired he looks up why does he look like that and it's like well we have a newborn like we're not sleeping and it was just like everyone's like worried about nick hope nick's okay worried about me you remember that don't play dumb

Speaker 1 you were like do i really look that bad like why is everyone saying that i would say i'm not tired i'm not playing dumb i do not remember that but you know when when we was born yeah

Speaker 5 you we had a whole conversation about it we were like everyone keeps saying i look bad oh and i look tired you're being a good father so i think it's like he's probably a little delusional he's not getting a lot of sleep.

Speaker 5 Like they have a newborn.

Speaker 3 All right. Up next, Joel Kimbooster joins us to talk about his new project, Love Hotel.
Also get into a little bravo with us as well. I'm curious if he has been watching the Summer House.

Speaker 3 The Craig, the Craig appearance with his bros on Watch What Happens Live was

Speaker 3 interesting. I will say, Craig right now thinks he's winning this breakup.
Yeah. Which is interesting.

Speaker 3 I think Paige thought she was winning it before. I think the real real winner of this breakup will eventually be the person who stops talking about it.

Speaker 1 First.

Speaker 3 First, yeah.

Speaker 5 Well, I mean, when do you stop talking? You can only stop talking about it when people stop asking you about it, you know? No, I think what's he going to say on live television with Andy Cohen?

Speaker 1 Like, I think I'm done talking about it.

Speaker 4 He could. But it was so funny when he was like, you came in backstage when they asked him what he's annoyed about.

Speaker 4 And he's like, well, you came in backstage and said you don't want this whole thing to be about Paige and the breakup. And this whole thing has been about Paige and the breakup.

Speaker 4 Like every question somehow went back to, and like, so how did, did Paige cheat on you?

Speaker 1 Like, he was just like, I don't fucking know. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Anyways, let's get Joel's thoughts, and that's up next.

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Speaker 1 Joel, welcome to the Vile Files.

Speaker 3 Oh my God. Thank you so much for having me.
We're so excited to have we're all very big fans of here.

Speaker 1 You know, it's interesting you bring that up, Nick.

Speaker 1 No, no, I mean, we chatted about this a little bit before I came on, but there were a few episodes, I think, where you where my name was dropped.

Speaker 1 And you, in fact, said the complete opposite of me being, of you being a fan of mine.

Speaker 1 And we sort of worked it out on the remix over DM. But so no hard feelings.
And also, I kind of like,

Speaker 1 if there's anyone who understands popping off in the moment and

Speaker 1 I think I completely understand that. And I think,

Speaker 1 yeah, no. And listen, I.

Speaker 1 what did i say because i do i well here's i owe you up an apology if i want to know what i'm apologizing for you said um that is not the kind of person i would want in my orbit i used to be a fan i am no longer a fan um

Speaker 1 and when the apology when i did the apology um this was this was the only thing that was like a little confusing to me you said it was like a weak move and like that was harsh little boy shit or something like that and And this is what I will say about that is that like, and I'll show you the text messages from executives asking me not to apologize and let it like die on its own so i did genuinely want to do that because i did genuinely like took the time it was a lot going on after that all went down and it took let trust me like no one was more upset with me than my fiancé and that was like a really rough time and so I regretted it pretty much immediately, but it took me like those two weeks to sort of really find the words to really like, how do I accept responsibility for this and take accountability for this without trying to like shift it in any sort of way.

Speaker 1 And, you know, maybe I wasn't super successful in that, but it was not a mandate for me to do that.

Speaker 1 And it was something that I did want to genuinely do because, and I said it like, listen, I'm not going to sit here and say that's not me because clearly it is. That is a part of me that is.

Speaker 1 not a part that I want to access all the time. And I work very hard not to access.
And so that was the only thing that you said.

Speaker 1 Because, like, when you were saying the other stuff to Shannon, like in Shannon's presence, I was like, well, you kind of got to play ball in that way.

Speaker 1 But that was like, I was like, I, I think I really did want it to come off like I was taking responsibility for it.

Speaker 3 And so I was too harsh.

Speaker 3 I was, no, listen, I was, uh, we had just met Shannon and we were like coming off of that season, Shannon.

Speaker 1 She had the

Speaker 1 amazing season.

Speaker 3 It was triggered by John Jansen every episode. I think I was just having back having my girls back.

Speaker 1 Listen,

Speaker 1 like I said, like, I,

Speaker 1 it was, like, precipitated by real things, but it was, but like, the, the stuff that I said, like, I was going, I was saying shit that I didn't mean, like, of course I'm not, like, feeling for John Jansen.

Speaker 1 Like, he's a monster. And like, that's so clear.
But I just was saying the most. digging deep to say the most hurtful things I could in that moment.
And, you know, it just wasn't

Speaker 1 something that I'm proud of. And it's like an unfortunate, like, little asterisk now to my entire career.
Like, I'm, I think, the first host of a reality dating show that has

Speaker 1 come after a contestant before the show has aired. And that's always going to be on my Wikipedia now.
And I have to live with that. And that's a bummer for me.
Well, I'm sorry that that happened.

Speaker 3 But at the same time, like, it. If there was going to happen on any show,

Speaker 3 to any group of people, I feel like you're allowed, you will survive this.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Listen, amongst

Speaker 1 Bravo fans, my inbox was crazy. And actually, the trailer dropping has re-upped that.
But like the Venn diagram of like Bravo super fans and people who want to bring back the word mongoloid is much

Speaker 1 bigger

Speaker 1 than you think it is.

Speaker 1 They were like people were really upset. And I think with good reason.
And especially, I mean, you can't watch that season of OC and not like be a little bit of a Shannon stan.

Speaker 1 I mean, I went into filming the show, like a huge Shannon stand, because I, that half the season had aired already by the time I got there.

Speaker 1 And she was having an amazing season in part because so many of the other women were being such assholes. So like, how could she not, you know? And yeah, so I think it's interesting.

Speaker 1 I don't know how much it will affect the show. And

Speaker 1 I regret it mostly because the show is going to be really fucking fucking good.

Speaker 1 I definitely don't want to watch any less. Yeah, no.

Speaker 1 Well, and unfortunately for people who are expecting to see conflict with between me and the women, there is no conflict with between me and the women. It all happened after we wrapped.

Speaker 1 In fact, I like there are moments and scenes where I like connect deeply with each of them. And it is like

Speaker 1 very genuine. And that is, you know, it's a small part of the show, but it's, you know, the feedback I've gotten from

Speaker 1 the people who are cutting together these episodes. I I start getting episodes this week, so I'm going to see it.
But is that, you know, they're happy with the job that I did.

Speaker 1 And I think like the show is going to be really good. And I think it bums me out when I see people being like, I'm not going to watch this because I hate that guy.
And I'm like,

Speaker 1 you know, we're watching.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. We're watching, guys.

Speaker 3 Joel and I made up.

Speaker 1 We're best friends. You have to

Speaker 3 watch it now. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Adding you back to the wedding invite list.

Speaker 3 Well, kind of to your point. I mean, it's just like, I obviously had a reactive reaction and said some harsh things in the heat of the moment of having our girls back.

Speaker 3 You said some harsh things in the heat of a moment. We've all said something, you know, it's like sometimes you need to apologize for shit and move on.
You know, it's not.

Speaker 5 Where do you and Shannon stand today?

Speaker 1 Um, you know, I did send her a personal apology as well, um, because, you know, inevitably we're all doing press for this show right now. I don't think I'm doing any like

Speaker 1 duo press with Shannon anytime soon. Um, but you know, I understand her reticence to want to take that at face value.
I, of course, understand that. And I think like we can probably coexist.

Speaker 1 I think we'll have to in the context of this show

Speaker 1 and doing the work for that. I think part of the reason why they were like trying to be like, hey, maybe don't publicly apologize for this is that the news cycle is quick over there at Bravo.

Speaker 1 And people,

Speaker 1 I'm sure she will find someone to be way more mad at than me.

Speaker 1 And also, in the history of the internet, we joke about this.

Speaker 3 I have never seen anyone on the internet go, oh, that was a good apology.

Speaker 1 Thank you. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm over it.

Speaker 1 No one. Everyone's like, oh, an apology.

Speaker 3 Let's pick it apart.

Speaker 1 And like, yeah, I think,

Speaker 1 yeah. No, so I think it's, it'll, it'll be whatever.
I, you know, I'm, I don't travel to the OC very often. I don't think we hang out in the same circles.

Speaker 1 So I think it's probably something that I will be able to leave behind. And again, it's just going to be this weird asterisks.

Speaker 3 Shannon's had to ask for Grace before, too.

Speaker 1 She has said and done things that, well, we've also been harming her. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And that is the thing is that like,

Speaker 1 there were ways I could have addressed the behavior that precipitated this in a professional way and not given her the opportunity to be, you know, sort of added on top of like all of the other shit that she has been, you know, been piled on her.

Speaker 1 And yeah.

Speaker 3 Well, thanks for addressing.

Speaker 5 I do respect you so much for just coming on the show after hearing like us, you know,

Speaker 1 being very critical

Speaker 5 of you, which I, you know, is rare in this business. There's a lot of people who are like, fuck that podcast, fuck those people.
They said, like, I was a fuckboy.

Speaker 1 And it really hurts their feelings to the point where they won't go. And the thing is, is like, I think I would have had, I'm glad that we talked about it before I came.

Speaker 1 And I didn't, I, you know, there was was a part of me that was like, maybe I'll just go and like bring it, you know, and, but I was like, I also just like, I wanted to know that this wasn't going to be like some sort of like ambush or something like that.

Speaker 1 And I wanted to explain myself to you specifically because like, I think that what you said is not unfair given the context that you had, you know? And so.

Speaker 1 I, yeah, I was, I was a little anxious coming here, but

Speaker 1 more than I can say for other people.

Speaker 1 you mentioned before we started recording that you were in the process of planning a wedding yeah we i i spent all night sympathies go out watching uh real house of atlanta while creating a wedding website and sending out the save the dates um to all of the many people the much larger list of people that we ended up how yeah that always happened how how what where are you in the plan so exchanging process um just sent out the save the dates it's a new year's wedding so it's this new year's and um yeah, so that's kind of like we're kind of good for now.

Speaker 1 For the, we've like got the venue, you know, we're just, you know, sort of figuring out all the like food now and that, but it's, you know, 276 days away or something like that.

Speaker 3 What's your relationship with all the vendors?

Speaker 1 It is going to be interesting. Uh, we have like a really great wedding planner, um, and she is like sort of dealing with a lot of that.

Speaker 1 But it was funny because like my branding rep like this and my PR person, as soon as I announced that I was engaged, were like, how much of this wedding do you want covered and I was like huh um I don't necessarily want it to be like Joel and JM's wedding brought to you by Clorox you know um

Speaker 1 but like if you know a liquor brand wants to pay for the bar then like I will post an Instagram story about it

Speaker 1 I'm not too listen they the price tag on this thing is is um wild and I'm we're we're fine we're you know it'll be covered it's coverable but it is like kind of like oh damn.

Speaker 1 Um, one night, maybe we should just go to the courthouse, like, um, you know, regularly.

Speaker 1 I will say the things that like you put, you think people are going to care about, they don't care about, you know, we, we've just done our like circuit of weddings, and it's, it's weird because, like, most, like,

Speaker 1 I feel like I, my friends who were, stayed close with their friends from high school go to weddings constantly.

Speaker 1 Um, and I speak to no one from high school. So, like, I, I've only been to like a handful of weddings in the last couple of years, God bless.

Speaker 1 And like, it did sort of like, we were taking notes a little bit

Speaker 1 from some of these weddings. But again, it was like, oh, I don't care.
All I cared about was like the food. And so, like, you know, the snacks are really important.
The meal is really important.

Speaker 1 And it's like, just as long as creating, because for me, it's like, I just want to like throw, have a really good experience for the people that I'm asking to fly to San Francisco for this wedding, you know?

Speaker 1 And like, it's going to be a really good party i will say like as someone who like if nally would have been like hey let's go to our card house i would have been like great awesome i'm so glad like once the wedding got done it was like it was so worth it like you really yeah i was i was like i because i was the person who was like fine more fine fine fine yeah and then it was like it was magical neither one of us when we entered the relationship were like gay marriage guys you know like we could i think the expectation for a while was that we were just going to be like those like like weird 55 year old boyfriends who've been together for a million years and i think like there's something shifted when i think we realized like to say in front of like it's like when you tell your friends you're writing a book it's like well now you have to write the book you know because they will they will ask about it forever and it is that thing of like when we really decided that like you know because my assumption for so long was that i would meet someone i would fall in love with that person and be in love with that person for the rest of my life But we had this conversation three years deep where it was like, wow, in three years, we have both changed so much.

Speaker 1 And you are not the person that I fell in love with. You are a different person.
I'm still in love with you, though, this version.

Speaker 1 And I am pretty confident I'm going to be in love with the next iteration. And like iteration four will suck, but we'll ride that out until iteration five.

Speaker 1 And like, once we had that realization, it was like, oh, no, I really want to stand up in front of my friends and say, like, I'm going to do the work. Falling in love was like not my choice.

Speaker 1 It just sort of happened. But like the work of staying in love, these weddings that we've been to over the last couple of years, like, that's really like a powerful thing, you know.

Speaker 1 And we're not religious people, it's not about that, it's about sort of like us, you know, sort of like asking our friends to keep us accountable for the promises we make.

Speaker 3 I did not expect how much I'd enjoy saying my wife. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, oh, I fucking hate saying fiancé, though. Fiancé sucks.
Fiancé sucks.

Speaker 3 It's a mouthful.

Speaker 1 Oh, I just like, no.

Speaker 3 My husband is going to ring.

Speaker 1 My husband is going to be great. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Also, Nick and I do say that all the time of like, we, we work so hard on our relationship.

Speaker 5 And I think that's like why we're, you know, almost to year five is just like you wake up every day and you choose each other and you do the work and it's not easy.

Speaker 5 And it, you know, some days are easy, but a lot of the days aren't. And it's like, you just got to communicate.
Choose that person every day.

Speaker 1 So do the work. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Like

Speaker 3 Craig used to.

Speaker 1 I don't know how much communication was going on in that relationship. It seems unclear.

Speaker 3 Did you see the Watch What Happens live appearance of Craig, Shep, and Austin?

Speaker 1 I missed that one, unfortunately.

Speaker 3 Have you seen some clips?

Speaker 1 Do we have some clips? I would love to see

Speaker 3 he once again really gets into the relationship with Paige.

Speaker 1 It is so frustrating because last season with Lindsay and Carl, we knew that relationship was dead on arrival, you know, but it was still fascinating to watch.

Speaker 1 Unfortunately, I don't find Craig, I just want Paige's single season now, you know, like I don't, I,

Speaker 1 it's just so frustrating to watch him not hear any, like not absorbed.

Speaker 3 So you're definitely a team, Paige.

Speaker 1 Oh, for sure.

Speaker 4 I'm with you too, where it was just like him being like, he's not watching Summerhouse. So for him to be like, oh, no, she doesn't mean that.
We had a really great relationship.

Speaker 4 It's like, no, listen to what she's saying in the episode.

Speaker 1 It is very Shep and Sienna.

Speaker 3 Except

Speaker 3 the only reason I. I would disagree with that because, yes, I mean, from all our perspectives, watching these shows and this relationship with the benefit of the Bravo callback,

Speaker 3 it's like, it's so easy to nitpick and pull Kohl's with the hindsight of 2020. But when Craig says, I didn't see any signs, I believe him.

Speaker 1 And this is where I will

Speaker 1 be on your side a little bit is that I'm not sure. Like, I do think she was pretty clear in like the conversation they had at the...

Speaker 1 Australian restaurant about like her career and stuff like that, but she is being way more forthright in that fucking bed with those girls than we've seen her be with craig and we don't know what those conversations off camera actually were or how much she was like being as direct as she is when she's with her friends or on camera with him so like there is a there's a chance but like i don't know craig like does not have a lot of credibility um after especially after this last season

Speaker 5 i will say getting into

Speaker 5 the southern charm reunion i will say i think craig was grasping at just anything that Paige would give him. He was looking for so, like the littlest amount of reassurance.

Speaker 5 The fact that he said publicly at the reunion as like backup for himself was that Paige said, Keep the ring.

Speaker 5 Maybe we'll get married at BravoCon was the most laughable sentence I've ever heard in my life. Like, no one's getting married at BravoCon, especially not Paige DeSorbo.

Speaker 5 And the fact that he heard her say a Paige joke and was like, oh my God, there's chance. She wants to get married.

Speaker 1 Okay, maybe it's at BravoCon before she wants to get married.

Speaker 5 I think he was taking anything she said, whether it was a typical Paige joke or whatever. Like just he, he needed some sense of reassurance that he would take any.
It was like he wasn't listening.

Speaker 3 Don't we think, though, that if the roles were reversed and Craig broke up with Paige and handled himself the exact same way. that Paige is handling this breakup.

Speaker 3 I feel like this would be an Ariana-Medic situation. I just, I listen, I think there's a lot to be gained nowadays in winning a breakup.

Speaker 1 I mean, yeah, especially when it's so public, but it is sort of like, I don't know what she gains from winning the breakup, honestly. I see what he is like, the flailing that he's doing.
He's

Speaker 1 still trying to win it.

Speaker 1 I think like it's, he's like losing the breakup more than she is winning the breakup, if that makes any sense. But all right, let's play this clip.
Let's play this clip. Talking about.
Are you dating?

Speaker 1 I am.

Speaker 1 Okay. And I'm really happy.
Okay. Are you dating anyone specifically? Are you dating anyone specifically?

Speaker 3 Now, I will say, if I'm the new girl, I definitely want them to stop talking about

Speaker 1 page.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 I mean, but come on, that's not going to happen.

Speaker 1 No. The way Summerhouse has to say.

Speaker 3 I hear you're saying this. The way he is talking.
It's just like, well, you don't know how she felt, even if what... And I'm just, I just give him grace for like, maybe wasn't being totally honest.

Speaker 1 It's tough to be honest. The thing about Craig, and we saw this a little bit in this last season of Southern Charm, is that he does lie a lot.
But the thing is, is I think

Speaker 1 he's not like intentionally lying. Like, he is like, he believes

Speaker 1 what he's saying. And, like, I think he genuinely believes that like what he's saying about the breakup.

Speaker 1 I just don't know that that is the reality of it because we've seen him sort of like unknowingly twist the reality. I mean, like, TJ didn't say.
that Miss Pat was a bitch. Like,

Speaker 1 he just didn't, you know? And so, like, but I know that Craig really deeply believes in his heart that he did.

Speaker 3 Do you think it's like one of those things where he'll hear something? Like Tanalia's point, like we all assume that Paige clearly was sarcastic about it and like made like some remark.

Speaker 3 And Craig's just like, no, you said that shit.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 I mean, it's him being like, she said she in my, like, he remembers these vivid moments. Like, she was in my pool.
She said she wanted to get married and have kids.

Speaker 5 She said, keep the ring because we could get married at BravoCon. And it's like, I think he's just like listening to her speak and not like listening to her speak.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I mean, it does sound like anyone who's ever been broken up with with a broken heart. I mean, I've done that.
And then she said this and then she said that and she promised me this.

Speaker 3 And like, what the fuck, you know?

Speaker 5 And it's just like, I do believe at the reunion when Craig said, then I was confused because then she was like, why didn't you fight for me? Like, why didn't you?

Speaker 5 And I, and I, and I do believe that maybe Paige got a little like toxic of like, well, why didn't you like try to get me back? Why didn't you? And it, and it fucked up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I just think, you know, Craig said it himself. He's a lawyer and a storyteller.
And I think he's telling himself.

Speaker 5 He's an emphasis on storytelling.

Speaker 1 I think he is telling himself a story right now in order to move on in the way that he needs to move on. And I think that there's probably like a little bit of truth on both sides.

Speaker 1 I tend to believe Paige a little bit more. And like, we've seen the way she acted with him, like on camera.
And I just can't imagine that it was such a huge shift from... off-camera to on camera.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 3 I agree with that. I don't think she was playing it up for the camera per se.

Speaker 5 But I think she might have been playing it up with her girls.

Speaker 5 Like once she got with her girls and she got comfortable and she's in that bed and she like starts kind of talking, then she starts really talking.

Speaker 1 And when she's like in charge of her, friends do that in real life too.

Speaker 3 You know, you get together with your girls. You guys talk some shit.

Speaker 1 No, you often break up with someone with your friends before you break up with the person, actually. I think.
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 That's what I'm saying. Even for him, I'm like, I understand protecting your peace and not wanting to watch Summer House.

Speaker 4 But at the same time, I'm like, if you have any questions about what happened in your relationship, you literally have a guide to watch and see how she was talking about you behind your back, how she actually felt about things that you did in your relationship and to not utilize that.

Speaker 4 Like, I'm like, of course, you're going to have all these question marks. It'd be so much easier for him to move on if he just watched the season.

Speaker 3 I can get where he's struggling, though, because in some ways, the way she talks and treats him on cameras is a bit... emasculating and she kind of talks down to him.

Speaker 5 There were definitely some parts like when they're sitting in that little dinghy boat and she's like, I'll let you know if like you're fine.

Speaker 5 I'll give you a year review and let you know if you're fired. And then, when they're in the bed, and she's like, Can you get on your phone and lay back?

Speaker 3 And I'm sure he's just like, no, he's just kind of like, no,

Speaker 3 the relationship in real life was different. And I stood up for myself.
You know, it's like, he's, I feel like he's almost defending his honor.

Speaker 3 You know, it's just like, I wouldn't have let Paige treat me that way. Things were different.
You know, who knows what's true?

Speaker 3 But I can't help but wonder if he's just more like watching what we're all watching. And a lot of people are kind of mocking him for how Paige, I guess, treated him.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 It is that thing of like, I think she needs an alpha, like for a real alpha.

Speaker 1 And I think that like part of like him caving and moving to New York, I think like even though she said she wanted that, like gave her the

Speaker 1 once she realized she could get him to do that,

Speaker 1 she was like, oh,

Speaker 1 no, I actually, yeah.

Speaker 3 As successful as she is and is becoming and will continue to be, I think she needs someone who's always at her level or above.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no. And I listen, I think she's like probably one of the funniest Bravo people we have now.
I love her. Again, cannot wait to see that woman single on Summerhouse.

Speaker 1 And it's just so like in a different way than Lindsay and Carl, really hard to watch and not as interesting as you'd want it to be.

Speaker 5 Did you see that Craig said he will not associate himself with Vanita after what she said on this? Did you?

Speaker 1 Was that on this episode, this podcast?

Speaker 4 This Watch What Happens Live episode.

Speaker 4 Well, she said that on our podcast, but on Watch What Happens Live, he confirmed that he was like, She no longer had access to me that he should have defended Paige.

Speaker 1 And I think went back to like the whole.

Speaker 5 Because it was a good. No, it was like the liar or something.
He's a liar.

Speaker 1 She had

Speaker 4 she had Paige's back, which a lot of people were like shocked by because Southern Charmage.

Speaker 5 No, I know. And he said, I don't mind that she said she's Team Page.
She can be friends with Paige, but it's what she said after that that I will not associate myself with her anymore.

Speaker 3 And which was what?

Speaker 1 Don't remember.

Speaker 5 But I know it was on the show.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 You have a lot of guests.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Well, there's also a video of the Southern Charm Girls watching back Watch What Happens Live. So you see Vanita's genuine reaction in the moment of the fact that like, what did she say?

Speaker 4 She was just like, so you're not going to talk to me. You're upset with me.

Speaker 4 Like, this is the first time that she heard that Craig and her are no longer friends or that he will not associate with her anymore.

Speaker 1 Well, the last thing Vanita needs is to be more siloed on that show, I got to say.

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 1 metaphorically, she needs to get out of the bed.

Speaker 4 I would love for her to move to New York and do something.

Speaker 1 I'm saying, like, she is a dynamic person, and I do like her. I just like, there's a lot of dead weight on that cast right now.
Like, I'm sorry, but like,

Speaker 1 what are those two gay guys? How are they getting a check right now? Ryan just shows up.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 The fact that Rodrigo was sitting on the couch at the Ryan, I'm like, who did you go to?

Speaker 1 What was your story? What was your story? And like, I like, I like that there. are gay characters and cast members on these shows, but I just want them to like do the work a little bit.

Speaker 4 More than a dog party.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Like when Ryan was being confronted about like what he told Vanita and then Rodrigo tried to chime in and Ryan was like, I actually don't want you in here.
The fact that he just

Speaker 1 left, I was like, no, no, no. You're on Bravo.
You're on Bravo, babe. You stay in that room

Speaker 1 and you yell on screen.

Speaker 4 Get that camera time.

Speaker 1 Earn the check.

Speaker 3 I'm still confused by JT's timeline. Because like, wait, didn't he have a girlfriend while filming? And then we find out that him and Vanita dated after filming.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 And then, like, wait, did he break up with his then-girlfriend? And now is he back with this girlfriend?

Speaker 5 Because Vanita didn't respond to him for three days, he then got back with his ex-girlfriend because he wasn't just going to sit on and wait for Vanita.

Speaker 1 We found out that that scene where he tells her that he's seeing someone was filmed after the Bahamas. The Bahamas, but placed before the Bahamas, which is like, that's doing her a little dirty.

Speaker 1 Doing her dirty, for sure. I mean, the fact is, is like, I want so much more for her than that man.

Speaker 1 Who I do think, like, I don't blame him for quitting. I think he was, I don't like him, but I do think he was given sort of a raw deal in certain situations.

Speaker 1 Like the, the, some black girl comment, like, clearly, I don't think he said that.

Speaker 5 And like, clearly that was a but he did admit to saying like cute black woman.

Speaker 1 Oh, did he say that?

Speaker 5 He said, he said, I said the barber's on the phone and he's like, you said it was like a cute black girl.

Speaker 5 And he was like, when then he related to Vanita was like, I didn't, I said a cute black woman, woman is what I called you.

Speaker 1 So now I'm sort of, I did, I must have been on my phone during that moment because now I'm sort of

Speaker 3 it felt like he was admitting to saying the word black, but he was trying to figure out what he could put around it to make it sound good.

Speaker 5 When like he could have just said a cute woman.

Speaker 1 See,

Speaker 1 I assumed that he like showed the barber a picture and the barber extrapolated like, oh, like didn't remember Vanita's name and was like, I don't know some some black girl and like that that was like his addition to the you know sort of phone tree but like you know i don't know now you're you're you really rocks my world with that um i know uh i i mean the fact that vanita i could have seen myself is like fighting for this

Speaker 5 slime every time i see jt i just see like a ball of slime you know like the kids but and then when he compliments vanita it just feels so fucking condescending and oh she's i have nothing bad bad to say.

Speaker 3 Well, you're just saying that because you don't want her to roast you and call you out for playing her.

Speaker 4 Well, you might not have anything bad to say about her, but your girlfriend did. And you said, I won't defend you.

Speaker 1 I can't do anything about that.

Speaker 4 Crazy.

Speaker 1 It's just so sick to see a woman who's that beautiful and like great personality.

Speaker 4 She's so successful.

Speaker 1 Be so

Speaker 1 enamored with this

Speaker 1 guy. Like, it's just so crazy.
And, like, I,

Speaker 1 yeah, I want better for her. I want better for her

Speaker 1 up there.

Speaker 3 Do you think Sierra needs to get over West?

Speaker 3 Period.

Speaker 1 I actually think that like she's moving at a pretty better pace than I thought she would going into the season.

Speaker 1 I don't think they're ever gonna, she's ever going to be good friends with him again, like as she stated, but like she's not been like, I don't know, she hasn't been dwelling on it.

Speaker 1 past like the like where she's like I hasn't brought it up herself and unless other people bring it up and she's like you know coexisting with him i you know i i think like she's at a fine level for me now if she was like really like making this her storyline for the season i would be annoyed but i don't think that's the case with sierra i think like she is genuinely like um

Speaker 5 sort of like now getting over it at at a reasonable pace did y'all see a lot of People are criticizing the fact that they are in that bed with their shoes on and that dried paint all over Sierra's legs from being the parrot and to-go food bags and everyone's like this is where you this your bed should be the cleanest it's been it's been said so many times by so many people but ladies you got to get out of the bed

Speaker 5 you got to get out of the bed it's like you don't put your suitcase on your bed to pack your clothes it's been under a plane it's been thrown on the ground it's been on the dirtiest surfaces ever and you're gonna lay it on your bed yeah it's like when nick gets in the bed with his outside clothes on you don't do it you don't do do it.

Speaker 3 You don't know how disgusting my body is anytime I sit on the bed.

Speaker 1 He's like, oh my God, what are you doing?

Speaker 5 What? Like, get naked. Like, why are your clothes that have been like sitting on a chair?

Speaker 1 I think it's a boy thing because I've never even thought about my outside clothes being on the bed. Like, shoes certainly never, never.
I have.

Speaker 3 I have, like, but I am reminded of it.

Speaker 1 But, like, I don't think I've ever thought about. Outside clothes on the bed.
It makes sense. I mean, it does.
It does.

Speaker 3 She's not your airplane outfit.

Speaker 1 If I got home.

Speaker 5 No, if I got home and I was like, oh my God, I need to like lay down. This is coming off.
These are coming off. I'm putting on a robe.
I'm putting on sweatpants.

Speaker 5 I'm putting on something and getting under the cover. I would never, ever, ever put clothes that have been on the outside world in my sheets.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm going to think and meditate on that for a long time. And I want you to do that.

Speaker 5 Yeah. And I do.

Speaker 1 Moving forward, for sure.

Speaker 7 I do. You'll think about it the next time you go to get in bed.

Speaker 1 And now suddenly, like, oh my God, these are my outside clothes? Literally. Like, you're thinking about where they have been.

Speaker 3 I really am obsessed with your outside clothes today.

Speaker 1 You you found those on instagram yeah no i was saying before like instagram got me again girl and um he wants you to read that tag on the back of those pants and give him the label we will get i will i will figure it out okay um oh i think it's like costs actually oh i think it might be as simple as that yeah simple yeah but we'll we'll confirm after the podcast uh have you ever had your toe sucked for 30 seconds

Speaker 1 no never i am not a cute guy at all and also like what are you doing in there just they really got him when she was like why did you take your socks off and

Speaker 5 because you know, it makes sense. Like, sure, if like he got his toe sucked, he would take off one sock.
Yeah, right. Why were both socks off?

Speaker 5 And if you like, did something where you would have, I don't know, taken all your clothes off, you wouldn't, you would just like put your pants on and your t-shirt on and walk out.

Speaker 5 You wouldn't, like, you would forget your socks.

Speaker 4 And he was carrying his shoes at the end of it too, where he was carrying his shoes out barefoot. And I was like,

Speaker 1 I gotta say about Jesse, it's frustrating. I preferred Jesse so much more last season when he was like, I am a fuckboy.
This is who I am. Like, this is, and like, was so charming.

Speaker 1 And like, you didn't care. Cause it's like, at least he's being honest about who he is.
I think this season, I think because of the cancer stuff from last season, he has made this arbitrary decision.

Speaker 1 He kind of even admitted to it with that conversation with Craig and

Speaker 1 Amanda, I think, when he was like, well, isn't it time that I start to do this? And like, it's like, no, baby, it's clearly not time for you to do this. Right.

Speaker 1 Like, that is not who you are yet and that's okay like he's still he's under 30 isn't he no i think he's like 31 or something like that yeah but a cancer scare he i think that made him think like oh i should like be settling down now but it's so clear that he's not and here's what i will say i would be way more upset about that conversation with sierra than i would about the toe yes like i think like the toe is whatever i mean i'm a gay guy so like my bar is set a little bit differently but like that conversation with sierra i would if i like she, she finds out about the toe on camera, but like, she's going to see that.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And that would be so shitty to watch.
Like, it's just, it's a, it's on a different level. And I also just, I don't think that he wants to date Sierra either.

Speaker 1 I think he's just somebody who needs a lot of attention.

Speaker 3 It's like, would you rather have the person you've been hanging out with for three weeks watch a threesome for 37 minutes? Let's assume that's all he did. Yeah.

Speaker 3 He's just stood there and watched with popcorn.

Speaker 1 Right. Would that be cheating?

Speaker 3 Like if you watched, if you just sat there in the front row seat,

Speaker 5 I don't think I, yeah, if you're in a room with two naked women and like watching them, he, and he literally said, oh, I'm hard now.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Like we have that

Speaker 4 also, he didn't sit in the corner. He laid on the bed, but don't worry, he put his foot by their faces.

Speaker 3 Okay, well, so let's assume he only did watch, and I doubt he did, but yes, would that be harder to Joel's point than watching him talk to this beautiful person and to say, like, I've kind of always had a thing for you and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 1 That's the thing is I think like most most monogamous couples are like there's this line and as long as I don't cross this line it's not cheating and I'm good and I think he did cross that line with the toe but I think like looking at your relationship from a 360 perspective like so many people just think as long as they don't cross the sex line they're good you know and for me like I'm in a non-monogamous relationship it's so much more about like the the emotional like and the like you know connective stuff like i could care less who sucks his toes honestly but like if you were like sitting down with someone being like wow you're the one that got away like you know I would be like okay fuck my drag

Speaker 5 yeah did Lexi put out a statement or a story I kind of felt like well you find that I will say they were teasing this threesome all fucking year long being like threesome happens on somewhere house emerald I think is it is so interesting like I love that he operates like a gay guy, but is straight.

Speaker 1 And, but I will say, like, he gives the energy of like

Speaker 1 a B-tier level Netflix dating show, like a Too Hot to Handle or something like that. Like, that's where he belongs.

Speaker 1 Because right now, he's using the show as a platform like we don't even see these women. Yeah.
Like, talk about him. He's covering the camera.
He's covering the camera.

Speaker 1 He's trying to get out of the bed, too.

Speaker 1 You know, and like, I, I just, um, you know, he had that, like, it sounds like he has a very interesting backstory that I'd love to hear more about, but he doesn't talk to anybody else.

Speaker 1 He just goes out and brings back strange girls that we never see their

Speaker 1 anything.

Speaker 5 No one's signing any releases.

Speaker 1 But you know, haven't they just blurred faces in the past? Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Dude, I want to know watching Summer House.

Speaker 3 Who ends up at these parties? You know?

Speaker 1 Like, how do you invite? Is it like Summer House Weekend Soire? They sort of gave us a peek behind the curtain last time when Carl was like, she was on my list last weekend.

Speaker 1 So it sounds to me like they each get like an allotment of people they're allowed to invite.

Speaker 1 And like they're on so-and-so's list.

Speaker 5 I will say the summer house parties are the only parties in reality television that actually looks fun.

Speaker 3 Yeah, like everyone's like, usually they're stage parties.

Speaker 3 And if you like zoom out, you realize it's just those people.

Speaker 5 No music, crickets.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 4 Awful. I love watching the parties too, where it's like somebody else is having like a really fun time, then somebody else is fighting and they have no idea.

Speaker 4 Like that's the type of parties I want to see, not like. Sometimes housewives where you're just like, well, this is the center entertainment for tonight.

Speaker 1 Right. And it's just, you're like checking checking in with the randos at the table.
You're like, what is this? What's your experience of this like?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 I'll go to summer house party any day over like a housewife sit-down dinner.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 3 Are you Team Sutton or is it Justice for Sutton or are you more like, finally, we're calling out Sutton?

Speaker 1 I think she's having a really tough season. Now, I've met Sutton out socially.
And she was so nice and so lovely, like surrounded by gay guys.

Speaker 1 And I think she thrives in that environment and is the best version for sale same experience yeah yeah i will die hard for her yeah i i i don't love what's happening on this season with her a lot and like the garcel leaving because like she's so clearly much more interested and invested in a friendship with kyle than she is with garcel is like kind of a bummer i think garcel though is leaving uh quite honestly at the right time because i think the the tide was about to turn on garcel a little bit too and i think yeah, I think she's leaving at like the height of her popularity.

Speaker 1 And that's the smartest move that any housewife has ever decided to do for themselves. Makes sense.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 No, they do say it's like you're never safe on that show. And the next season, you might be the favorite.
And the following season, everybody comes for you.

Speaker 3 Well, you're right. I mean, the writing is on the wall for everyone to kind of turn on.

Speaker 3 Garcelle, like, you know, this is Kyle's season. She's taking.
a little bit of a beating, but not even that much. But it's Kyle.

Speaker 1 She never gets

Speaker 1 a lot of a beating.

Speaker 3 And Garcelle kind of has gone for Kyle, so I could see next season all of a sudden. And Dorit.

Speaker 1 And Dorit. And I think like the, what I read was that Bose like really comes with her about the staged break-in of it all.

Speaker 1 And like that really comes back to bite her at the reunion is that they all sort of go in on like.

Speaker 1 that sort of comment, which is like, she says some, like, she says some pretty shocking things sometimes in a way that is like, Garcelle,

Speaker 1 in a way that's like,

Speaker 1 I'm glad she says most of the stuff she says. Like when she's like, can we just call you a lesbian? Like, are you,

Speaker 1 it's like, well, let's, let's see. At least someone said it.

Speaker 3 We know that like Garstell isn't the only one in that group

Speaker 3 who suspects foul play when it comes to Dorit's.

Speaker 1 Like, I don't think Dorit knew anything about it, but it is a little sus. Like, I think I don't put it past PK, you know, and don't don't sue me, please.
Um, but allegedly,

Speaker 1 allegedly, we don't put it past PK, allegedly,

Speaker 1 but yeah,

Speaker 1 I think like she was voicing like what a lot of people were thinking. Now, do I think like she should have?

Speaker 1 That's a different question. I'm not sure I can, I'm equipped to answer yet.
But to answer your question, I'm not necessarily Team Sutton right now.

Speaker 1 I like, again, like in real life, I hope to run into her at high tops again. But I just think like I really didn't love the like wallet comments.
That's tough.

Speaker 1 And like, listen,

Speaker 1 do I stand to Reet in any way, shape, or form? No. Do I think we're finally seeing a little bit of like who Darit? Like, when she lit that cigarette, I was like, that is who you are.

Speaker 1 Finally, we are seeing who you are. And like,

Speaker 1 I'm glad for that, like, at the very least, because this was kind of a boring season.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 5 What did you think of the impersonations, the mocking? That was mean.

Speaker 5 I don't think there's ever a time in which you can like, impersonate someone where they're like really that's how I sound you know it's never SNL is not calling anytime soon either.

Speaker 1 It was like not a good impression, even.

Speaker 3 But yeah,

Speaker 1 it is strange. Like, I just think that like Sutton really wants to be friends with Kyle.
And I think it drives her nuts that she can't get in there. And I think like

Speaker 1 it's very much like Cool Girl Table. Like, it's a little Heather gay, you know, too, like, in the way that she sort of rides for Lisa in a kind of like transparent way.

Speaker 1 That has a really good comparison. Yeah.
I hope for and pray that, like, it'll be interesting in the same way it's been interesting to see Giselle without Robin.

Speaker 1 I think it'll be interesting to see Sutton without Garcelle for a minute and see how that sort of plays out.

Speaker 5 It is so true when Dariette said like Sutton condition and she cannot take it.

Speaker 1 Oh my gosh.

Speaker 5 So true. Like the fact that she could sit at that table and give that wallet sentence and then for them to be like, hey, so like, you're not really nice.
And she's like freaking out and she can't.

Speaker 1 It is wild how some people are built like that it is um and i think like i it's so sad that crystal never really brought it in the way she needed to bring it because i knowing her in real life she's very funny and very sharp and i think like at the beginning of the season when she had that little tiff with sutton we were i was like yes okay this is gonna work and then i think she got so scared because Sutton was so much more popular than her that she really dialed it back.

Speaker 1 But I was like, I like, you, oh, you're that girl. Like, I was like, yes, get in there.
Like, let's really unpack this. But then she really just, I don't know.

Speaker 1 I think she, she, she like dialed back because she was, she got spooked. But yeah, I mean, there's a level of when you're that to do what those ladies do.

Speaker 3 It's like, do I need this in my life? The drama, the, the messiness, like just the toxicity.

Speaker 1 It's a, it's not for everyone.

Speaker 4 I want Crystal to go back to Housewives so badly.

Speaker 1 I do. I do too.
I, I talked to her.

Speaker 1 I guess like part of the reason was, and I, I, you know, I don't know if this is like the complete full truth, was that they really wanted a season of all single women.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 that didn't necessarily play out or pay off in an interesting way.

Speaker 4 Because that was technically this season.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was nobody's married. Yeah, nobody's married.
Everybody is, we really missed out on a Dorit date of some kind.

Speaker 4 Yeah, and I kind of like missed like even like the couple's trips and things like shit always used to go down. And now I just feel like everything is just like either like.

Speaker 3 Yeah, even at that point, it's just like, Kyle, this is the whatever's going on with Morgan or not going on with Morgan, can't we at least fake a date?

Speaker 1 Like, can't we at least... Well, we did see that.
We did see the tattoo party. She was on FaceTime and like all over last season.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 3 I want to see Kyle go on a date with some guy or

Speaker 3 I want to see the single life. I want to see or the rest.

Speaker 1 That's the problem is that like they think, I think they wanted like the fun single season to be this season, but none of them have worked out. Those paths their exes.

Speaker 1 They're still in divorce mode. And so I am hopeful that maybe next season we'll see.

Speaker 5 I think Bose is a fun addition like she really they finally she finally broke the one season wonder curse on that show i think she is awesome i've never seen someone i've i've never seen a housewife i agree with unanimously yeah i do think they got some backlash her and erica when they were on watch what happens live together a lot of a lot of the response was like this is very mean girl like they did not come off very well what were they saying the whole garcel peaked in the 90s and they were just like

Speaker 13 they were bantering in a way that was very like negative and then garcel also at the same time was like i'm leaving the show yeah but it's also like that's not even the best dick because you talk about making some hey erica at least someone had a peak i mean that's what

Speaker 3 garcel's peak is like

Speaker 3 yeah

Speaker 1 yeah and they like

Speaker 1 and now like she is like doing like she's back in a big way and like that was part of my frustration honestly with garcel storylines it's like i don't need to hear about another movie or how busy you are like i'm you're at work now, you know, like, um,

Speaker 1 focus on that. But, um,

Speaker 1 but I'm, I'm so happy for her success, you know. Like, I'm, I'm glad that she's leaving the show and will probably make the human.
We're happy for her choices, like the housewife, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 And that is the central conflict of any of watching any of these shows: is like, do, do you want like an interesting person or do you want like an a cool, nice, normal person?

Speaker 3 No, I would be devastated devastated if lisa barlow left um

Speaker 4 and yeah i don't know if i could i don't know if i trusted to be her friend you right you know like yeah well um you said you were wedding planning watching real housewives of atlanta

Speaker 1 how are you loving this new season i am so

Speaker 1 like stoked about this season i think the soft reboot is uh exactly what it needed i think shamia like i'm so like i i don't know why i'm surprised but like her being sort of the center and our entrance into this new era of the show i think it's like she's great.

Speaker 1 She's like put in the time. I think she earned that peach and like she's been doing.
And

Speaker 1 I find her to be wonderful. I did not know that HVAC

Speaker 1 sales was so lucrative. Right, truly, yeah.

Speaker 1 And I have not yet learned or been able to like remember most of the names other than Brit and oh, Britt, Angela, Kelly, right?

Speaker 4 I know Kelly because of the 17 designer backs for her 17th birthday.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Angela in a marriage that is again like death, like

Speaker 1 doomsday. Angela and Charles.

Speaker 1 Like that conversation was hard to watch. When they say things on camera, like, ooh, 10 years is a long time.
I'm like, babe. Like,

Speaker 1 what? Mike off. That's your, that's your, like, on-camera, like, filter.
Yeah. And like, what, what are you saying to this woman behind closed doors?

Speaker 5 So, so calling her LaJoya Jackson was the shadiest thing I've ever heard in my entire life. And I cannot believe that they just like moved to the moment.

Speaker 1 We just were able to squash it. I, I love portia williams she's one of my all-time faves and um i um am really excited for uh

Speaker 1 a new season with portia yeah are you team portia when it comes to the drew stuff yeah i mean yeah you kind of have to be because it's like

Speaker 1 again drew like seems um

Speaker 1 fine as a person but like i i don't like engage well with her storylines on the show i'm worried for her ankles constantly i'm like what bone is she going to break next um She's always broken.

Speaker 5 It does make sense. Like Portia's only line is like, do not film with him.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And that's like, and like, why is the this hot dog man like producing music now? Like, I don't understand that.
It's so strange. Like, like, it would.

Speaker 1 It would make more sense to be on Drew's side if like he was a very successful music producer that could like rocket her career to the next level.

Speaker 1 Like, I would have a little more sympathy for her, but like, it seems kind of random. And honestly, like, like it does not seem like it's going to be a flexion point in her career working with Dennis.

Speaker 4 Well, no, Drew's already kind of questionable like from like past seasons behavior wise and like girls girl, but I'm just like the idea that you're sitting here saying straight to someone's face that like, no, like I didn't do that.

Speaker 4 I'm not like, this is, he's just my angel. He's just my friend.
Like I just love him so much.

Speaker 4 And then it's like you have the business meeting with Portia and like her co-worker being like, yeah, they reached out to me about wanting to film with Dennis.

Speaker 4 And it's like, you're literally saying you're not doing this. And yet it's being constantly proven that you are.

Speaker 4 Why would this be the look that you want to go into the season with, especially because where Portia stands?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 And next week's the big

Speaker 1 what we ended with in your journey. I know.
And the thing is, is if Kenya didn't do,

Speaker 1 like, didn't do what she did, like, I'd almost be on her side a little bit. Like, if I didn't know what was coming after this episode, I would sort of be like, She is doing a lot right now.

Speaker 1 The ending season of the, or the ending scene of this episode, where it was just like, okay, first of all, we kind of think you're on the wrong show with the whole like i've got a pistol in my bag like threatening her life where i was like it's giving baddies it's not giving atlanta housewives but it was just like it kind of is giving a little bit of like rhyme and reason to why kenya's so like i know but she i mean talk about taking it to way too far like i don't know like how she goes from like marching band at to revenge porn like such a big leap it's so crazy yeah we had her back for a second yeah if none of us knew like after this last episode, if none of us knew what was coming in the next episode, I think we'd all be unanimously.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I can't. 100%.

Speaker 1 You know, again, lover, hater, like, she is great TV. And, like, she's still tweeting, too.

Speaker 1 My first housewife pairing on Watch What Happens Live. Really? And I'm going on, again, with an Atlanta housewife closer to the premiere of Love Hotel.
And I...

Speaker 1 I've been, it will be my third Atlanta housewife that I've been on with.

Speaker 1 I got Kenya Marlowe. And now hopefully,

Speaker 1 hope against hope, Portia.

Speaker 1 But would also love Shamia too, I think. I love those ladies so much.
Love Hotel.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Let's talk about it a little bit.
What can we look forward to?

Speaker 1 You know, this is, this is like the honest truth.

Speaker 1 The most pleasant thing, I think, and surprising thing about this show, and I think it's primarily because of the makeup of the women, is you do get to see these women like really become friends and really like have their back.

Speaker 1 There is conflict. There is drama, but it is all between the women and the men.
And it is nice to see them like just be friends.

Speaker 1 It's nice to not see like the conflict between the women like take over the show. It's so that I think people will be pleasantly surprised by.
And I think like Luanne

Speaker 1 is just,

Speaker 1 it is like. So, it is exactly where you want to see.
You almost want to see Luanne as like the only one.

Speaker 1 You know, like

Speaker 1 she is, there's like, I, I know for a fact that, like, the music they will play behind some of her scenes of, it will be so goofy because she is like tenfold the comic relief of the show in every episode.

Speaker 1 She is just so wild. But yeah, it's interesting to see all of them.
I, I'm excited. Like, I hope that the show continues and we get to see like Heather Gay on the show and like a different mix.

Speaker 1 Like, yeah, it'll be interesting to see how this format sort of moves forward after this season. And, and I think it's going to be well received.

Speaker 1 I think it's going to be, it's really a fun time and there are some real, like, real thing.

Speaker 1 When's the release date? April 27th. Okay.
Yeah. Coming up.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 A few weeks away. It feels like it's going to give us like fill that void that we have from like Ultimate Girls Trip being shelved.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 So that's what I'm really excited for.

Speaker 3 And we will get to see these women like kind of open up about their love lives and dating lives.

Speaker 1 I mean, like I said, like I have some sit-downs with them and it like it gets like real vulnerable from people like Giselle too, who like, I think I've probably not said the kindest things about Giselle in the past.

Speaker 1 And I think she knew that coming into the show. And we, by the end of the show, like,

Speaker 1 despite the fact that she recently said my dick was too small on her podcast, we are like good. I texted her about that.
And I was like, hey, what, what's, why did you say that? And like,

Speaker 1 we ended up, but the end of the conversation, I was like, hope the girls are great. Like,

Speaker 1 she did really, like,

Speaker 1 we did really get much closer. Like, she said to me at the end of the filming, she was like, you know, I thought you would be like, kind of a little bitch.
And like,

Speaker 1 I, you know, we hugged it out and it was like, you know, great. And she,

Speaker 1 all of them, I think, were, gave me a lot of grace after

Speaker 3 it all went down. Do you think it's like just hearing you talk?

Speaker 3 you know, and watching all these women and all these different shows, when you're working with these women, is it almost a little like because they say some

Speaker 1 real direct

Speaker 3 and they're professionals, they're out there and they're slinging grenades. And is it almost kind of like

Speaker 3 confusing to how you're supposed to engage with them?

Speaker 1 It is much in a way. Does that make sense?

Speaker 1 It does feel like I flew a little too close to the sound a little bit. You know, like it's all fun in games when you're you're separated by a television screen.

Speaker 1 But like, um, and it is like, it is a little bit like jarring.

Speaker 1 drawing and like i said like they were all like super fun while we were filming with me and so like i don't have any like direct beef with any of them but like it is it is just like yeah it it honestly like i couldn't when i got home i i i didn't really watch bravo for a second because i i needed like a minute because it it did like it just like re-sort of color contextualizes a lot of what you're seeing and like suddenly it's like oh yeah you know, it is funny when Ramona shits on the ground, but like, then suddenly you're thinking about the PA that had cleaned that shit.

Speaker 1 And like, it just, yeah, it changes. I have now since like memory hold my way back into loving everything I'm seeing on Bravo.
So it's, it wasn't that traumatic.

Speaker 3 That's awesome. Joel, this has been so much fun.

Speaker 1 Thank you for coming.

Speaker 3 Thank you for having me.

Speaker 1 Can we come back? Yeah, absolutely. Love that.

Speaker 3 Love Hotel premieres, April 27th. We will be watching it, checking it out, do so as well.

Speaker 3 Thank you again, man.

Speaker 3 Anything else you want to promote where people can find you?

Speaker 1 I have a podcast called Bad Dates that comes out every week. I actually truly don't know what day it comes out.

Speaker 1 And Lute Season 3 will be premiering later this year as well, which I would love to catch up on.

Speaker 3 Great show. Our friend Nick Lehman writes for it.

Speaker 1 Yes, Love Nick. Love Nick.

Speaker 1 In fact, much of my character is based around Nick. So

Speaker 1 yeah, it's great. And this season is so funny.
And like, I'm, it's just a joy to work on. So I'm really excited for people to see that.
And check out like my Instagram for tour dates here and there.

Speaker 1 I hate Joel Camp. Amazing.

Speaker 3 Well, thank you for coming, Joel. You've been such a pleasure.
Thanks.

Speaker 1 Thank you for having me.

Speaker 3 Just come back.

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Speaker 3 Joel, what a lovely human. I'm glad we were able to work out your differences.
I didn't feel like, you know, as he pointed out, I said I was very hard on him, harsh, even.

Speaker 3 He had some harsh things to say about Shannon. I didn't feel like we needed to like beat a dead horse.
He seems like, like, he regrets saying it, clearly.

Speaker 1 I want to hang out with him.

Speaker 6 Me too.

Speaker 13 I wanted to ask him about if he thought Porsche was shading Shamia when he was, when she was like, I thought it was Drew. That's Drew singing, right?

Speaker 1 I thought it was Drew.

Speaker 13 Which there was no way, Sierra, that she was not being shady.

Speaker 4 100%. You know what your best friend sounds like.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Well, I'm excited to watch Love Hotel.

Speaker 1 Me too.

Speaker 1 Me.

Speaker 3 And it's like, you know, I think they've squashed the beef, but it doesn't seem like Shannon and it's clear that Shannon and Joe will not.

Speaker 5 I mean, would you?

Speaker 3 Well, if Shannon, sure, I wouldn't. But it does seem like Joe, I don't know what happened, but I think he very much regrets saying what he said.
But it sounds like he does have his reasons, you know?

Speaker 1 Maybe.

Speaker 7 I'm curious what those reasons are.

Speaker 13 If this is anything like Ultimate Girl's trip, I'm so excited.

Speaker 1 Same.

Speaker 3 Well, up next, we have Grant and Juliana to talk about where they are at in their love journeys. Does their fire still burn as strong as ever?

Speaker 3 Have the comments of Latia from AFR brought trouble to paradise? We will find out next.

Speaker 3 All right. Well, welcome, Juliana and Grant.
Why are is there trouble in paradise already? You guys aren't calling from the same spot. Is like, do we need to talk about it?

Speaker 11 No, we're done.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I'm going out there on Wednesday to book my flight for Wednesday. So we got a whole itinerary plan of travel.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 3 Well, first, we just want to start by saying congrats, congrats to you both on a happy ending. And by happy ending, I mean an engagement.

Speaker 3 Very happy for you both.

Speaker 3 What has it been like? I mean, obviously, you know, so wait, AFR was a week ago. It's like your first week in civilization.
It's a weird feeling.

Speaker 3 I know. What has it been like this past week?

Speaker 11 It's been interesting. You know, I finally changed his name at my phone the other day.
I forgot about that.

Speaker 1 What was his fake name? I was going to get back on Instagram. What was his fake name?

Speaker 11 It was W-P-O-D, Wolf Packer Die.

Speaker 11 And then I was a wolf emoji in his. So we were low-key not really creative, but it worked for us.

Speaker 3 It worked for you guys. Juliana, obviously, as the winner of the season, you're in a very difficult position.

Speaker 3 I think a lot of people often maybe take for granted or don't even just fully appreciate because, you know, they think winner, you know, so you won the show, you're in love. But like...

Speaker 3 The winner's often kind of alienated from the rest of the group sometimes because, you know, they don't know how to engage with the winner and every other woman or man from their respective season can relate to being broken up with by the lead except for the winner.

Speaker 3 There's a competition element to it. So what has this been experienced like for you watching it back?

Speaker 3 Obviously, it's never easy in your position, but have you, you know, you seem like you understand what some of the things I'm saying. What are some of the challenges?

Speaker 3 What's it been like in your shoes?

Speaker 11 It's been interesting.

Speaker 11 You know, I think when we finished filming and we kind of came back to regular day life, it took me a minute to start like engaging with the girls again.

Speaker 11 And I had expressed to a couple of them that that right there was my biggest fear is because of the end circumstance that like my relationships with them were going to be.

Speaker 11 not as great as I had hoped for. You know, I was reassured in the moment that it would be fine and that the girls were fine compartmentalizing relationships.
But I think, you know, after AFR and

Speaker 11 kind of just some things that have come up from that, I've seen like the reality of it, right? And

Speaker 11 it definitely hurt my feelings at first and didn't quite

Speaker 11 understand it, but it was a quick bounce back just because, you know, I hate to say like I didn't come in there to make friends, but I was excited about the friends that I had.

Speaker 11 But at the end of the day, I have, you know, I had 30 plus people fly out from the East Coast to the West Coast just to celebrate me. And I'm good.
I'm chilling. And I love Ali Joe.

Speaker 11 So me and her are like BFF.

Speaker 3 Allie Joe, why did we bring that? Did Ali Jo say something?

Speaker 11 No, I just, I walked away with her. Like, you know, she's definitely going to be a lifelong friend.

Speaker 3 Were there any other comments out there in particular that hurt your feelings?

Speaker 11 No, I don't think it was really comments. I think it was just kind of like actions and just.

Speaker 11 I think the avoidance of it all. You know, I wasn't, I wasn't super reached out to by a lot of the girls that I maybe thought I would have been reached out to by.

Speaker 11 I think when the AFR came and I had reached out to the few girls from my season that were going to come to the actual live filming of it, I was told that, you know, they were coming in support of Latia.

Speaker 11 And that was kind of to me, I was like, oh shit, like I didn't know sides were being taken like that. You know, I tried to phrase it in a way that was like, the more the merrier.

Speaker 1 So it was an

Speaker 11 I kind of learned the reality. Yeah.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 when they said that to you, it almost felt like it was implied. Not only were they there to support Latia, but they weren't necessarily there to support you and Grant.

Speaker 11 Totally. Yeah.
And my stance right now is like, you are either like, if you're pro or for me, like you're for Grant. There's not like you can be for me and not support him.

Speaker 11 We're two for one at this point. And I draw the line right there.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 You know, Grant, you're obviously,

Speaker 3 we've met you a few times. We've had you on before.

Speaker 3 You know how I thought of you as the bachelor. I thought you were an excellent bachelor, incredibly empathetic.
I think you should be very proud of yourself for how you handled it.

Speaker 3 AFR, you know, obviously we anticipated the finale. We knew, you know, even from episode one that, quote unquote, you had such a hard time picking the finale, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 3 As someone, I mean, no one knows what it's like to be in Latia's shoes more than me. I was in it literally twice.
So like, I empathize where she's at. I know what it's like.

Speaker 3 At the same time, you know, like, you know, again, trust me, like being in her position, I remember being like, but you said this and what the fuck was that? And I can't believe this happened.

Speaker 3 And you really feel like you are justified to be not only angry, but like

Speaker 3 have basically bachelor nation have your back because you really feel kind of screwed over.

Speaker 3 At the same time, this is the show, you know.

Speaker 3 And I remember once I became the bachelor, having a lot more empathy for the ladies whose season I was on, you know, and realizing the position they were in.

Speaker 3 And, you know, when it's just your journey and everyone has their journey on this show, Latia, Juliana, you had a journey journey, you know, obviously.

Speaker 3 You know, your feelings feel that much more validated and important than anyone else's.

Speaker 3 That all being said, Grant, as you reflected back on AFR and what Latia said or implied more importantly, Was there anything in particular or specifically that you might have said to her on or off camera?

Speaker 3 And I think maybe more off camera, that you maybe wish you would have like taken back or thought, you know, yeah, maybe I was the badster and yeah, I was doing my job, but I, yeah, I guess I see I could have done without that or this or yada, yada, yada.

Speaker 3 Or do you feel like it was like you did your, you really did your best? Obviously, there's other people like in your head telling you what to say or suggesting you should do this or do that.

Speaker 3 And, you know, you, you know, no real regrets.

Speaker 8 Listen,

Speaker 8 I express regret in AFR 100%.

Speaker 8 And, you know, I don't take back anything I said because in my perspective, I made sure that I didn't make any promises. You know, I didn't make any promises to Julian.

Speaker 8 And I understand how certain things could be misconstrued or maybe looked at with hope. And maybe that saying, I love you.
And,

Speaker 8 but I did. And I went there with an open heart.
I mean, I feel for Latia 1,000%. I just, I would be careful.
I'll be more careful with how I was moving with my feelings and not jumping. so fast.

Speaker 8 But, you know, like I said previously, I had been in a seven-year relationship. I had been single for a while.
So I was ready to fall in love. And I went in there super open to fall in love.

Speaker 8 And, you know, I went in there super trusting of everything around me and kind of giddy and happy.

Speaker 8 And I allowed for, yeah, I allowed for external circumstances to kind of, that I thought had my best interest to kind of lead me in direction where in normal life, I wouldn't, I wouldn't normally handle things that way, you know, at a certain point.

Speaker 8 But also I was taken by surprise on a couple of things. And by that time, it was already too late to to retract.
And I was under the mindset that this is somebody I'm in love with.

Speaker 8 I'm going to, I'm going to ride or die with them and I'm going to try to make things work. I was in love with two people, though, and just one person

Speaker 8 was my person more. And that's just the way that the cookie crumbled.
That's the way that things happen. So I feel for Latia.
You know, I hope that

Speaker 8 she does great moving forward. I really do.

Speaker 3 Well, I do feel like you handled yourself as well as you could, almost to the point where it felt like Latia was almost a little frustrated how well you handled it.

Speaker 3 Because like there was that point at AFR where she kind of just, you were like, hey, I'm just like really I got to own this I'm really sorry for for the things I said that hurt your feelings and it was like kind of a perfect apology where she kind of wanted to keep going so she kind of repeated her gripe against you but she really had nothing more to say you know and in that moment I kind of in that moment I felt for as like someone who who's also been a runner-up I was just more like yeah I felt like I could put myself in Latia's shoes and say you're obviously very hurt by this you felt very wrong by this.

Speaker 3 And I totally get why you feel wronged.

Speaker 3 But as time moves on, you didn't,

Speaker 3 to me, it felt clear that you really didn't do anything outside of any other lead or bachelor that was, you know, it was just more like, yeah, she felt let on, you know, of course she felt let on.

Speaker 3 That's kind of the position the runner-up is always in is they feel like it's that it sucks. But like, you did the best you could.

Speaker 3 I honestly felt like you, you acquitted yourself pretty darn well, Grant.

Speaker 8 Yeah. And at that point, AFR, like I'm in no position to argue.
At the end of the day, our time was coming with Juliana and I. And that was her time.
And that was her moment to express how she felt.

Speaker 8 And for me to sit there and argue with her,

Speaker 8 it just wouldn't be the right thing to do.

Speaker 8 So regardless of how the public perceived me,

Speaker 8 I just had to own whatever she felt and whatever she said, I had to own it. And I'm not going to sit there and argue.

Speaker 8 on stage you know she's the one that i've broken off with and i you know i didn't mean to hurt her truly. And that's what I felt.
And I allowed her to speak her piece.

Speaker 8 And I kind of just, you know, I apologize because what was coming next was my fiancé coming out. And that's what I really was looking forward to.

Speaker 3 How have you guys as a couple, like stay connected throughout the airing of the season? I mean, it's, it's one thing to film. It's a whole nother experience to be an engaged couple.

Speaker 3 And then, you know, they take away the ring. You get to see each other here and there.
Then you're watching a whole season back. Juliana, did you watch it back? Did you watch other dates?

Speaker 3 Like, how did you go about dealing with this very weird experience of watching this journey unfold on TV?

Speaker 11 Yeah, I mean, you know, I think at the forefront of my mind is the fact that this is the bachelor, right? Like he's going to have relationships with other people.

Speaker 11 He's going to try and pursue other women. Not like we're out in the real world.
We're watching this back. It's like shocking, you know?

Speaker 11 So even throughout the process, I carried myself in the way that like I was comfortable asking girls how their dates were and hearing, you know, how they felt about him.

Speaker 11 I kind of protected my heart in the sense where I never let the fact that other women are involved out of my mind, but I did my very best to just like let some walls down.

Speaker 11 And so watching it back, it was, you know, there was like a couple moments where, you know, Grant and I were watching together and I kind of like shot him an evil eye for a minute for saying certain things.

Speaker 11 And I'm like, oh, wow, that was like, that was weird, you know, but at the end of the day, like it is what it is and we finished filming waited a couple months talked through things then like watched it back it wasn't like anything was surprising to me honestly so you still haven't watched finale no i've definitely watched it yeah it was just that night i knew emotions were going to be high.

Speaker 11 I knew that it's kind of a quick turnaround from when he has his conversation with her to when I come out. And

Speaker 11 I didn't want my head to be in a a headspace that felt frustrated with the reality of what was said, because obviously things that Grant and I have talked through, and I know that I can get a little defensive, you know, for him.

Speaker 11 And I didn't want to come out there with anything other than like excitement for my moment. So I just was like, I'll be in my dressing room.

Speaker 5 call me when you need me and then i'll have my moment and then i'll go home and watch it in my own time i did see you say in an interview that if he like kisses me when i walk in i know it's me and then obviously, watching Finale Back, he did that as well with Latia.

Speaker 5 How did the two of you work through that?

Speaker 11 I was like, what the hell?

Speaker 3 Yeah, that was definitely like, if I had one note, next time, Grant, if you break up with someone, don't. Hopefully, you never have to again.

Speaker 7 Like, one kiss. Oh, my God.
Two kisses. Oh, God.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's a terrible. It's an opportunity.

Speaker 11 It was like so embarrassing. But, you know,

Speaker 11 it was shitty. It was funny.
Like, I just say, like, for future contestants, like don't don't think that that means anything because it just clearly doesn't you know

Speaker 11 sorry I was wrong

Speaker 3 a lot of shit for it by the way yeah um you know Grant it's you're in a position to fail grant you know that's just kind of how it is

Speaker 8 that's what you signed up for yeah not not in every day I didn't I didn't realize the fine line of what what being a bachelor was and it definitely was definitely in a position where you're it's very easy to be villainized because you're dating multiple people, which is something that I've never done.

Speaker 8 And it's something that I never will do.

Speaker 8 You know, like I said, I was in a seven-year relationship and then, you know, I didn't have much experience dating and kind of went in there with my heart, with my heart on the line.

Speaker 1 So yeah, it just wouldn't wouldn't recommend it, you know.

Speaker 3 What have you guys done as a couple that have been kind of fun or like, have you had any, you know, special moments that you've been able to share with each other?

Speaker 11 We talk like pretty much every day, multiple multiple times a day. I know that he's kind of connected with my dad a lot, which has, you know, meant a lot to me.

Speaker 11 We've had a couple of happy couples, like trips.

Speaker 11 I really did not enjoy them all that much because it just felt like PPSD from being like isolated, like take my phone away, can't leave the house, can't open like the blinds.

Speaker 11 Like I was just like, I don't like this. And this, it was such an unconventional way to like have after show get to know each other time.

Speaker 11 But he really did make them fun. You know, we he cooked it up for me all the time.
We watched some movies. I got him into reality TV.

Speaker 11 Um, we did a little Valentine's date. It was cute.

Speaker 11 We made the most of it.

Speaker 3 What did you get him into?

Speaker 11 Well, we started Temptation Island and it was just so funny because he's sitting there like, oh, this guy, like, I don't like this guy, you know, and he's like making judgments.

Speaker 11 And I'm like, see, buddy, all the people are doing

Speaker 1 judgment.

Speaker 3 Yeah, but Temptation Island.

Speaker 1 He's like, Grant's probably like, well, I didn't have a threesome.

Speaker 8 There's a guy named Grant on there.

Speaker 1 I'm like, fuck Grant.

Speaker 8 Like, I'm like, oh, no. But I understand now.
Like, looking at, but before this, I wasn't a reality. I never even watched reality TV.
So coming in here, like I said, my mom signed me up.

Speaker 8 So I wasn't for a shock. And then now, you know, me and Jules will watch the show.

Speaker 8 And looking back, I understand why people come in there with like, it's very easy to be like, to pick sides or to make judgments because your whole persona is out there on TV and people only seen a fraction of you.

Speaker 8 So I get it, you know, 100%.

Speaker 3 Juliana, have you spoken with Latia at all recently?

Speaker 11 No.

Speaker 11 Okay.

Speaker 5 Have you seen Carolina's diss track?

Speaker 11 Uh, my friend sent it to me, and I had to shut it off after like five seconds.

Speaker 1 Dude, it was like cringing to my core.

Speaker 3 Ex-DJ boyfriend help her make that. I'm kind of couldn't help but wonder.

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 11 maybe,

Speaker 11 maybe she's back into the DJs. We wish her luck.

Speaker 8 Maybe one thing about Jules and I, people, people take low shots. Like, we don't really feed into that, you know?

Speaker 1 Like, that's too bad. Yeah.

Speaker 8 How are we going to kill them? We're just going to win in life.

Speaker 3 Grant, what happened to your music that you put up? And then now it's gone all of a sudden. Because I, I like it.

Speaker 8 No, a lot of people, a lot of people do. I just feel like at this point in time, what's best is just focus on the relationship, you know, focus on us, focus on

Speaker 8 us building and growing. And yeah, that's the main concern.
And, you you know, I obviously,

Speaker 8 me being in the position I'm in and some of the, some of the way things happened, weren't always the best for coming off the show for our relationship.

Speaker 8 So we want to just have a fresh light and paint a fresh picture. And that's just us at the center.
And everything else,

Speaker 8 whatever comes later, comes later. But right now, we are focused on us.
We're focused on love and we're focused on building a life.

Speaker 11 We do love Party Girls, though. I love that.

Speaker 3 Party Girls is great.

Speaker 3 If I may be able to offer unsolicited advice, because I know you didn't ask for it, is that, listen, your relationship's going to work out because you guys choose to work it out or not.

Speaker 3 You know, it's like whatever you guys, however you guys prioritize your relationship, despite what fans say or other people or your peers or whatever, is it's like, do you, this is an amazing opportunity that you're in right now.

Speaker 3 Take advantage of this opportunity. Let the haters hate.
Let people like. say whatever, you know, because that has nothing to do with your guys's relationship.

Speaker 3 And like everything you, specifically you, Grant, everything you try, people are going to pick apart. They're just, they're just going to.
So fuck them. And that's just, this is how it is.

Speaker 3 This is how it is.

Speaker 8 You know, I respect that. I respect that, Nick.
And trust me, I trade the markets for a living. When I started, everybody told me I couldn't do it.

Speaker 8 My own, some of my own family told me I couldn't do it. And I just put my nose to the ground and I've been able to now provide a life for.
everybody around me.

Speaker 8 And yeah, I always, I don't listen to people, but it's just, yeah, we do, we, we take things one step at a time and our, our relationship is number one.

Speaker 8 So that's just the message that I want to get across.

Speaker 4 Um, is it true that I heard that you're going to be moving, Grant?

Speaker 8 Yeah, of course. Yeah, I want, I know Jules is really, really close to her family out there in Boston.
And first and foremost, I want her to be happy. And my dad's out there too.

Speaker 8 So, you know, I'm going to go ahead and

Speaker 8 move out there. I'm going out there on Wednesday just to hang out.
But yeah, plans to.

Speaker 8 to move and be closer with her and just be back on the east coast that's my roots you know yay

Speaker 3 Maybe this is a better question for Julianne.

Speaker 3 I think I don't want to put Grant in this position, but Juliana, anyone from your season that you were on that you think might

Speaker 3 do well to find love on Bachelor in Paradise?

Speaker 11 Yeah, I think there's a bunch of girls. I think obviously Allie Joe is just like a fun, lively spirit and she's gorgeous.
I think Parisa is really looking forward to trying to find her person.

Speaker 11 So I think that's a great opportunity to have it so isolated. I think Seraphina would crush it.
And

Speaker 11 yeah, I think that that's it, really.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 3 Love the tension.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Juliana.

Speaker 1 What did you say? Said, I love the tension.

Speaker 11 No,

Speaker 11 it's not tension. It's just honestly.
Like, I'm just, I'm honest.

Speaker 1 You can't, you can't, I'm not going to be. I love it.

Speaker 5 Whose behavior have you been the most shocked by post season, post-airing?

Speaker 11 You know, I think it's it's maybe not shocked. I think just my feelings were the most hurt by Lithia.
Yeah. You know, I don't think that that was expected in any capacity.

Speaker 11 I think we've talked, you know, between filming and even when the whole show was airing, I did my best to check in with her.

Speaker 11 I thought there was a good relationship, but it seems like actions, you know, up until or since AFR moving forward have not been the kindest. And that took me by surprise.

Speaker 11 And my feelings were hurt by it it for sure.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I'm getting the sense from you that you're what you're surprised by is it almost feels like, and correct me if I'm wrong, that whatever Latia has been saying or doing with some of the other girls from the cast, it feels like maybe she is

Speaker 1 kind of, I don't know, like.

Speaker 3 Does it feel a little mean girlish almost in a way where like some of the other girls are, I don't know, feel like they have to have her back and can't be friends with you.

Speaker 3 And there seems to be like talk going on behind the scenes, so to speak. Is that that's the sense I'm getting from you? Is that, does that feel accurate?

Speaker 11 Definitely.

Speaker 11 You know, I think the first like stab that I felt was when she, you know, brought my name up in the breakup. You know, I think that that was uncalled for.

Speaker 11 And then to continue to make kind of those jabs on stage saying, you know, she is glad that you know this isn't a part of her love story and that she deserves a man that's, you know not so confused up until the last second when grant and i know the reality of it and and that was strictly a jab at me you know i think that those things took me back and then to see you know that i want her to be supported i'm not saying by any means like that i don't want her to feel like she has a girl gang behind her like lifting her up because i can't imagine what it's like to get all the way up to that point and maybe have you know, your heart and your ego bruised.

Speaker 11 But I think at the end of the day, like I had relations with a lot of the girls and and no point were they making dig that him

Speaker 11 you know or our relationship where now it's like maybe that's a platform that's being used for whatever purpose it is but it's hurtful and it's not anything that i want to surround myself with at any point in my life it makes a lot of sense it's a weird time you're going through right now, both of you.

Speaker 3 I say this to every bachelor contestant because right now I don't think people know like it's such a high school environment the show in general obviously you guys know that being in the house and even post show yeah you know listen the reality is is i'm sure you felt it like whether they went home night one or they were the runner-up everyone's trying to make the most of this experience you know they just they just are whether they're putting out a diss track or not they're all trying to make the most of it right um and then so now that they're trying to make the most of it you know they're trying to figure whose coattails can they ride right they can't ride you guys are in love you know, and like Latia needs like a group, so to speak.

Speaker 3 And I always say, like, you don't really know who your friends are from this show until a year later, right? Because right now, all these friendships are based off of mutually beneficial moments.

Speaker 3 Like whose like interests best align with mine? And that's how people are making and deciding to be friends. The dust will settle.
People will go out. They'll go to their influencer trips.

Speaker 3 They'll be invited to all these things. You'll figure out who you're friends with and who you're not friends with.
There'll be fallouts and things like that.

Speaker 3 And if you're still friends with someone a year after filming, then you know it's real. Before that, it's all for show.
It's all, it's all bullshit. It's all fake.
And they don't even realize it.

Speaker 3 You know, they don't even realize

Speaker 3 who their real friends are because they're so all consumed by making the most of this experience that they think it's all sincere and genuine. I only know that because I was a part of it.

Speaker 3 I know, I realize that I made the same mistakes and same choices. My judgment was also clouded in various similar ways.
So try not to take it personally.

Speaker 3 They literally, I don't think, realize what they're doing.

Speaker 11 Yeah, that's fair.

Speaker 11 I appreciate that advice.

Speaker 8 There's also like really awkward situations where people that you've never met or never really talked to are like, you know, trying to say certain things about you or, you know, making certain videos.

Speaker 8 And just like, we're the type of people,

Speaker 8 we don't really entertain that.

Speaker 8 You know, if you got a problem or issue with me, or Jewel, you know, you say it to our face, you don't make it, you know, you don't make videos about it or take subtle judgments.

Speaker 11 That's not the reality of it. They like keep saying, you know, they want to, they want it because they come out the woodwork.

Speaker 3 They just want to use your name, man, right? Like, everyone, granted, everyone's going to be like, yeah,

Speaker 5 oh, I ran into him at a bar and he did this to me or he did that. He didn't hold the door for me.
I remember a few of those came after Nick. You know, he slammed the door in my face.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God.

Speaker 3 You know, this was a huge experience for them. It went however it went, you know, and they're going to try to squeeze every juice out of that lemon, you know, and you're the

Speaker 8 and you're the person they're going to try to squeeze the most until you know something this is going to pass for us and like we're going to so we don't we i went in there knowing this and i didn't go in there looking for any type of clout or anything you know i went in there trying to find my person yes you know we have interests and hobbies but that's just expression and

Speaker 8 this fades and we're going to be on the beach somewhere having some mimosas with our family and not worrying about guys making tick tocks or you know people talking. It's just, that's just what it is.

Speaker 8 So.

Speaker 3 Well, also, you guys have the benefit of like coming together through this, right? Like nothing makes a relationship stronger than feeling like, you know, you guys have to have each other's backs.

Speaker 3 You do in general, but like, this is a little extra motivation, you know?

Speaker 11 So I think. Definitely.
I mean, and I'm feeling, I just feel like Grant's been getting like shit left and right all season. And, you know, he's been like going through it.
And I'm like, it's okay.

Speaker 11 Like, we don't do this. Like, don't listen to them, you know? And, and then on the flip side, after AFR, I was like, shit, like, I'm going through it.

Speaker 1 Like, what do we do?

Speaker 11 And he's like, I got you. Don't worry.

Speaker 3 It's always worse online, especially when it's about you, because whether you're, even if you're not looking for it, you have family members and friends sending you shit you don't want to see.

Speaker 3 But I can tell you, as someone who has like a more like, obviously distant perspective of this story, who's like not personally involved, Grant, I don't think anyone really cares about the breakup, you know?

Speaker 3 And I don't, I think everyone's just kind of happy for you guys no one's really talking about afr you know what i'm saying like i really think more people are i think more people are talking about come on now than anything other

Speaker 11 listen i catch myself saying it sometimes too i get it

Speaker 8 yeah man just enjoy the experience anything you guys want to leave us with before we let you go i don't think so no i think i'm good i think good i just want to say peace and love you guys and you know i've been on your platform a couple times you guys do a great job

Speaker 8 yeah, just you know, continue doing what you're doing. And yeah, I really appreciate you having us.
And yeah, I hope to see you guys again one day.

Speaker 1 You're one of the great ones, Grant.

Speaker 3 I really respect the hell out of you. You're a really great guy, man.
Uh, and that's more important than being a great bachelor, which I also thought you that you were.

Speaker 3 But uh, I hope that uh you had a good experience. I think you should be really proud of how you handled yourself.
That's just my opinion for whatever it's worth.

Speaker 3 And I'm really excited for the both of you. You seem really happy and wishing you both nothing but the best going forward.

Speaker 8 Appreciate that, Nick. Thank you.

Speaker 1 Take care. Bye, y'all.
All right. Bye-bye.
Bye.

Speaker 5 Listen, it's got to be hard. Like, she, I totally get where she's coming from.
Like, of like, yeah, like, people don't want to be my friend right now.

Speaker 5 Like, right, you know, it's like they feel like they have to choose sides and they're choosing.

Speaker 3 And this seems more than more than usual. It usually doesn't happen this way.
It doesn't, it doesn't always happen where there's a bit of a rift between the final lines.

Speaker 5 Let's tough. I hope they figure it out.
I hope, you know, they can work through that because it's, I don't, you know,

Speaker 5 I feel for Juliana being like the only person she has is Grant, who is her fiancé. And at the end of the day, that is the only person she needs.

Speaker 5 But it is tough to like see all these women who you thought you had friendships with and you were excited to like get on the outside and like go on trips and hang out and do this and do that.

Speaker 5 And like no one wants to do that with you. You know, that's tough.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it really is tough. And it's just my critic, my critique of Latia's performance was that she kind of suggested she was going to bring some receipts.

Speaker 3 And then she really didn't. And receipts aren't your

Speaker 1 feelings.

Speaker 3 Well, your receipts aren't your story. Receipts are receipts.
Like your story is usually backed up by receipts. And she just brought her version of events, which more than entitled to do.

Speaker 5 And you expected her to like print out a PDF and like read out screenshots.

Speaker 3 It kind of, listen, my critique is she seemed to come for him and his character, the person, rather than saying, that really hurt me. I know you're a good person, especially after time had passed.

Speaker 3 She came into AFR kind of wanting to put a dent in

Speaker 3 his brand or his

Speaker 3 likability.

Speaker 5 Well, I can see how she might not think he's a good person after feeling like she was led on. And she, you know, like how she said where he was like, you know my character.

Speaker 5 And she was like, honestly, I don't know if I do.

Speaker 3 I mean, sure, but again, I just, this is, she's a part of a show. That is, it's a choice.
All I'm saying, it's a choice for her to have all this time passed, right?

Speaker 3 To maybe get a little insight in the show aspect of what happened, let the dust settle, and then still kind of come for his throat.

Speaker 3 And not only that, according to Juliana, seem to have some of their peers have to take a side rather than being like, hey, listen, I get your opinion.

Speaker 5 Well, you don't know if that's directly from Latia or if that's them feeling like they want to choose a side and the side that they're going to choose is Latia's.

Speaker 3 But Latia, all I'm saying is Latia did, she was, she was coming for Grant at AFR. It wasn't there.

Speaker 4 That's usually how it goes, though.

Speaker 1 We've seen different versions.

Speaker 3 We have seen more gracious, more like, and listen, I love the drama. I love that, like, hey, it was good TV.
I was hoping for it. But like, she wanted the sympathy and she wanted to leave a mark.

Speaker 3 She did. She wanted to leave a mark.
And I, it's more like, other than feeling let on, what did he do that justifies the last impression you want us to have of Grant being a bad one?

Speaker 12 I'd imagine she feels lied to.

Speaker 3 Sure, but there's her feelings. And then there's, again, there's a TV aspect of the show where like she is entitled to however she wants, but if she kind of

Speaker 3 it was a choice she made. And Juliana's.

Speaker 4 So unless she knows what she signed up for, Card?

Speaker 3 Not entirely, but I do think that as time passed,

Speaker 3 she could have been a little more gracious.

Speaker 3 Maybe. You don't think so.

Speaker 5 I mean, I think she is entitled to say, hey, like you said these four things to me that really had me thinking like I was the one. And then like clearly none of that was true.

Speaker 5 So like, why say those things to me? Because it really puts me.

Speaker 1 I totally get all that.

Speaker 3 I think I'm more, it's some of the other, I think she went a step further than just say, hey, that really hurt my feelings. I felt let on.
I wish that didn't happen.

Speaker 3 And what do you have to say? And then Grant came out and was like, hey, I have to own that. I'm really sorry.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then she still came for him again.

Speaker 3 And like, I think she wanted to leave a mark, literally.

Speaker 3 I think she wanted Bat Chernation to take her side and think less of Grant. And that is a choice she had.

Speaker 5 She just told Grant and Juliana that you feel for Latia in that moment and you like have this empathy as to why she reiterated herself. Well, I can.

Speaker 3 completely empathize with how she felt, why she felt the way that she felt and her justification for it.

Speaker 12 But you don't think she should have done it.

Speaker 3 As time passes, she will realize that her intentions were more

Speaker 3 malicious than she realizes.

Speaker 1 Maybe. That's what I think.

Speaker 3 I could be wrong, but I think she will.

Speaker 3 I think it was less about him and more about her.

Speaker 4 That's what I think. Well, I know it's my winner one, and I'm happy.

Speaker 5 Team Jewels.

Speaker 3 Is there going to be more fallout from this? Because it really seems like there are some bad feelings.

Speaker 4 I don't know. It seems like they're unbothered by it, which I love.
And I started following Juliana and I can't wait to see photos from their trips.

Speaker 4 And hopefully, they don't get pay any mind to anybody talking shit about their relationship because what do they know?

Speaker 1 Come on, now, come on now. Come on now.

Speaker 13 I'm giggling after you brought that back up. She literally, like, people have resurfaced that video.

Speaker 13 So, well, not resurfaced, but reposted it so many times because she switches the level and like the tone of her voice.

Speaker 5 Everyone was like, She went from kindergarten teacher to

Speaker 1 so fast.

Speaker 1 I feel for it's when he's like about to he was saying, like, he was like, I hope you don't think differently and she was like oh come on yeah like it literally went kind of like oh my god i'm so happy to be here come on she was she was code switching she was like being sweet and then she was like what's this bs you

Speaker 6 have you guys ever seen that s and l sketch it's like old cherry o'teri and her whole thing is just saying sim it down now sim it down sim it down now

Speaker 1 yeah

Speaker 3 well thanks for listening we are back tomorrow with an explosive going deeper with none other than tom sandoval and his lady, Victoria Lee Robinson. All that tomorrow, and so much more going forward.

Speaker 3 We'll see you then. Bye-bye.