E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA

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Learn more at ov.coop and taste the difference. what's going on everybody welcome back to another exciting episode of the valve files reality recap edition i am your host nick and boy every week just gets better and better because, boy, we have a jam-packed week lined up for you this week.
This week, we have Joel Kim Booster joining us momentarily this episode along with your happy couple, Grant and Juliana, to talk about their new relationship, their fallout from the AFR, thoughts on Latia's comments, the diss video that Carolina, Grant had a video, popped up, came down. What's going on? There are so many burning questions.
And then tomorrow, get ready. It's a very special Going Deeper, one that's been in the works, I think, for the better part of a year.
Tom Sandoval returned to the Vile Files following his, what many call, the most talked about maybe episode of the Vile Files of all time when Tom first graced us with his photograph of a tiger.

Was he on time?

You'll have to find out.

Anyways, that is tomorrow.

Also, his lady, his girlfriend, his woman.

His girlfriend.

His girlfriend.

His lover.

His female.

His counterpart.

His partner, his girlfriend, his lover.

Victoria is also with us,

and it's a nice little glimpse into their relationship.

I think many of you will be very interested

in what Tom has to say.

I think you should be very excited to hear this episode. I was very excited to sit with him.
It is just me. Natalie was not feeling well when that was going on.
Well, it was the day that I had my DNC procedure, so I was not able to make it in the studio. Unfortunately, I wish I could have been called dude a couple more times, but, you know.
I would have would have, I would have loved to see you, uh, there because I would have really loved your opinion, whether you've seen any, any growth from Tom, any, any maturity, what you thought about the relationship. Um, I thought it was really interesting.
Well, I'll have to watch it back and I'll give you my thoughts on Thursday. How about that? Plus we got a jam packed episode on Thursday of reality recap.
So be sure to tune in to that. Next week gets even better, guys.
I'm telling you. So Temptation Island reunion.
Thank you guys. Obviously, I hope you guys all enjoyed it.
It was a fun ride. For all the people who were hoping that Breon and Shantae were there, so do we.
But honestly, I think it kind of worked out. It was a full room room yeah you know we only had about three hours of recording time of them i tell you what though you understand why when you hear about how those like bravo reunions go uh and they take like hours and hours of film i mean we we were pretty efficient like we were really going the conversation was i mean it was fast paced there was really no like it was hard to get grant to talk about anything other than um Ashley's TikToks he honest with you he was very steadfast on her post in TikToks yes yes yes yes I know I cheated but did you see the TikTok you posted a mean TikTok of me I mean listen I'm very appreciative of all the all the cast you showed up I mean they really none of had to go.
They all put themselves out there and put themselves in clearly a very uncomfortable situation. So we, we very much appreciate all them.
And yeah, I mean, listen, it was interesting to hear all their perspectives. I, you know, when you meet them in person, it's, it's hard not to, to, you know, to hit humanize them.
Like you meet them and like, they're charming sides to all of them. You know, they're, know, they may all have things to work on.
But yeah, that was a... I will say, I don't think Grant was the biggest fan of me after that interview.
I don't know if it was my question about his daughter or if it was me challenging him on Ashley's TikToks, but he did not want a photo with me and he did not want to say goodbye to me. You kind of clocked him.

It was pretty great, I gotta say.

I think he's mad at me.

Yeah, he's an emotional guy.

I hope that Grant, and he does think he has more to work on,

there's just a little bit of like for Grant because it's like these past six months,

he's like worked really hard, you know?

And I think for anyone who's maybe, it was some bare minimum stuff.

I think, I understand it was maybe hard for him, but like the way he was describing how meaningful that period of time was where he just wasn't cheating on Ashley. My wish for Grant, it is that he keeps working on himself and he expects a little bit more of himself going forward.
As far as the Brienne and Shantae of it all. Yeah.
I mean, my same questioning that have asked him was uh you know similar to grant's it's just like i empathize with his upbringing his childhood but it's just like that was seemed to be shown to us as a way to feel sorry for him about his decisions in the house it's like you know we can still empathize with with brian's childhood and still hold him accountable for how he was or wasn't as a boyfriend. And I still don't really understand why, like, checking a threesome off your list is like such a thing for him and his ability to, like, victimize himself.
I would have loved some clarity, but there was a lot of jaw dropping. I was definitely very like, at multiple times.
So if you haven't watched or listened to that episode, you very much should. You should check it out.
Shantae was going to come. For a moment, we thought it was going to be nine of them.
And then we had heard that she had opted out because of optics. Like, she didn't want to come without Breon, who apparently couldn't get off because of work purposes, but we heard they tried.
So that's just what we heard. How accurate that is or isn't, we don't know.
But anyways, be sure to check it out wherever you listen to podcasts. You can certainly watch it on YouTube as well.
It is a spectacle. And I'm glad you all, for those of you who did watch, I'm glad you guys all very much enjoyed it.

What is going on with Justin Bieber?

No, what is going on with Chapel Rhone?

Oh, we won't show it there.

Mary?

Chapel Rhone says that she doesn't know anyone who is happy with children.

Go ahead.

She says they're all in hell.

Go ahead.

I think that Chapel Rhone, here's my thing. Is she kind of a hater in general? Yes.
And I think that's a fair, like to criticize her for kind of just like having it. Exactly.
So am I. But doesn't she identify as a feminist? Yeah.
I mean, I don't know what her like deep, I think she, Chapel Roan, I think I relate to her in the way that she just says shit. Yeah.
And sometimes I just say shit too. Like, just to...
We know. Yeah.
I'm not really thinking about what's going to come out of my mouth before I say it. And I don't really think...
True, but in fairness to you, you are a budding, young, full of potential... Thank you she is hot she is a position of immense power and influence with a very dedicated and influential audience and she's out there just winging it and you know what respect to that because i don't know if i would do well in that

position getting famous like overnight i think i would probably say a lot of stupid things as well there is that and i understand why people are frustrated with this comment and i think my take on it personally i'm not saying it's right or wrong i think that like she is a 26 year old lesbian who does not like want that in her life and she's projecting and she's like no every single person with kids is fucking miserable and it made me laugh personally do i believe it's true no did i think it was funny yes what what are the chances because like when nally and i first we first we got a dog and then it was like oh you know these dogs really come in handy we want to leave a party early you know it's like oh we got dogs boy those dogs oh they get you every time and then when we had a daughter it was like ah we got a daughter we have to go home and it's like oh this kids are so hard you know so it's like kind of it's a really great get out of jail free card. Any chance that her friends have been like,

kind of like, oh, that damn kid of ours.

Oh, it's so tough.

And they're like, yeah, sorry, Chappell,

we can't come to your party.

Or we have to leave early.

And they keep blaming it on their kids.

And maybe Chappell's perception of her friends with kids

are it's just like, they never can hang out with me.

They can't go to the Pink Pony Club anymore. Yeah, because they keep blaming blaming on their kids.
Yeah. You think that's maybe it.
That could be it. I mean, I don't want to speak for chapel, but yeah, I do feel like her friends are probably like, what the fuck, bitch.
I'm not in hell. I'm not miserable.
Did I know? I love my kids. Please don't put that out there.
Joy. I will say I'm in a group chat right now.
And we're talking about a party and my friend invited one of my best friends kids as well and she's like she said he said your son's invited to didn't have his phone number and she said 1-800 possess demon three nager send help and her son just turned three and he's uh developed new new behaviors you? So that's why I'm also kind of like...

So maybe that's where Chappell's getting. Yeah, where it's just like she loves her son.
She's happy. She would never like want to give him back or anything.
But like it's just like she's like, nope, he's going through a stage right now and I don't know if I hate him. I will say Chappell has a really great ability to make being famous sound like really hard work, you know? her plight of a celebrity

she's comparing it to

some real blue collar work there i think people also are it's not blue collar work at all it definitely is a privilege but i think what she's saying like her take on fame is really interesting because it's kind of saying what everybody knows out loud about her level of fame and how it happened and how people treat pop stars young women pop stars you know what i mean yeah but there's i enjoy it and i think people are really get real weird about her really quick and i don't understand i can't imagine if someone looked at chapel and was like oh my god you're so miserable you're definitely like in hell right now, and said all of the things that she said about mothers to her. I think she would handle that very terribly.
Oh yeah, probably. So it's like, how can she dish out to all of these women that like, yeah, anyone with kids, like you're probably very fucking miserable and you're unhappy.
And it's like her audience. I do think it is important to clarify that a lot of what she's saying in like recent interviews are just her kind of clowning.
She's not saying things to me. How can you...
I mean just if you know Chappell you know her just her presence is to be like... So is this one of those things where it's just like the comedians are like well I'm a comedian.
So when she was that being said i mean it's a bit it's a bit but also to answer your question i don't think she's like grumpy about being famous but if you watch how she like presents herself in like interviews is she's uncomfortable like you can tell she's still like getting used to it and like kind of like she was like belting out singing songs on that interview where it's like if i'm uncomfortable the last thing i'm gonna do i don't care if I'm like the best singer in the world is sing in front of one person but she is a singer so like for her to sing it's different from her to like present she did she mentioned remembering to eat being like a real chore but that's her thing is she's eat eat I have to eat she's just saying things to say things though she being like, this is literally truth. But that's dangerous as someone who is in a position of power.
She is famous. She does have all these young fans.
And to not take that role seriously, you are given this platform. And to just say shit to say shit and be like, ha ha ha, don't take me serious.
I actually don't have a problem with her saying shit to say shit. As long as Chapel doesn't come for anyone else for saying shit.
Yeah. You know? You can't be mad at a paparazzi for whatever the fuck they said that one time.
If you want to be goofy and messy, I'm like, ah, go be goofy and messy and ah. But you don't, you do not get to criticize others.
I enjoy watching her figure it out. And I don't, I think that she's a real true diva that we're getting in pop music she's super and i love a diva mariah carey says shit you know lady gaga says shit chapel rone says shit i just don't think the young generation is listening to chapel and being like that's jesus like what she's saying is you don't think so i mean that's how everyone treated britney spears that's how everyone treated lady gaga maybe we shouldn't be treating well of course not i don't think that i don't think like how i don't think they you have to be a role model like you can choose not to be a role model britney was like america's sweetheart so of course they're gonna look at her be like she knows But Chapel is like, she's here to troll.
Like, so it's like.

And trolling she is.

Yeah.

She's making conversations.

I think people need to put Hailey Bieber in the category of leave them the fuck alone.

Hailey Bieber specifically.

Agreed.

It will never end.

I just don't care.

These people are just like constantly trying to tear Hailey Bieber and Justin Bieber apart.

And it makes zero fucking sense to me.

I will say he didn't help with the post of her with Irreplaceable playing over it. Have you seen that? No.
On his main feed, he posted a photo of her. You're Irreplaceable.
Is that a Selena Gomez song? No, it's Beyonce, but it's like, you must not know about me. Like, to the left, to the left, all the things you've owned in the box to the left.
Like, it's pretty much a breakup song, but he posted it about her because I think he just was like,

she's irreplaceable.

The amount of songs that I, like,

haven't fully, like, listened to the lyrics

that I love.

Nick posted a video of some fucking wild turkeys

to Heidi Montag's I'll Do It.

That's kind of like Heidi's Some Love.

Wait, but to wild turkeys?

Like, okay.

No, I see the vision. I see the vision.
I'm the same way. It's the vibe, not the lyrics.
It's not that deep is really the answer to that. So Justin Bieber, it's not that deep.
Oh, it's definitely not that deep. But Justin, I am a little concerned about his- Well-being.
His internet engagement. He's trolling.
Deactivate the account. And that's fine if he's trolling, but what if he's not? Oh, well.
It's like these people are professionals. They've been in this business for so long.
You don't think they are aware that if Haley unfollows Justin on Instagram that it's going to be a national story. You don't think they know that? You don't think they're having a conversation about that? I think everything they do, they're aware of what they're doing.
But he did post a story that said really tried to play nicey, nice, nicey, nicey. Where I'm like, who do you think he's talking to? What if that's lyrics to his next song that's coming out? He was on live playing music that's unreleased that was maybe not the best music.
He's trying new things. He's being experimental.
Yeah. Lyrical genius.
Yes. He was very kind to us at a Christmas party.
So we were here to- He seems super sweet, yeah. Very sweet.
I mean, the amount of like, this man had zero reason to even look in my direction. And he like complimented Nick and I.
He like danced with me. He gave us hugs goodbye.
A real pleasure. He's a good person.
Kind man. Would die for him.
Just hope he's doing well. Never say never.
Listen, I think he has a son. I think, remember remember when right after we had River and we're recording and everyone in the comments like oh my god Nick looks so tired he looks fucked up why does he look like that and it's like well we have a newborn like we're not sleeping and it was just like everyone's like worried about Nick hope Nick's okay people were worried about me you remember that don't play dumb you were like do I really look that bad like why is everyone saying everyone saying that? I'm not saying that.
I'm not playing dumb. I do not remember that.
But, you know, when we were born. Yeah.
We had a whole conversation about it. We were like, everyone keeps saying I look bad.
Oh, and I'm tired. You're being a good father.
I think it's like he's probably a little delusional. He's not getting a lot of sleep.
Like they have a newborn. I don't know.
All right. Up next, Joel Kim Booster joins us to talk about his new project, Love Hotel.
Also getting into a little Bravo with us as well. I'm curious if he has been watching Summer House.
The Craig appearance with his bros on Watch What Happens Live was interesting. I will say, Craig right now thinks he's winning this breakup.
Yeah. Which is interesting.
I think Paige thought she was winning it before. I think the real winner of this breakup will eventually be the person who stops talking about it.
First. First.
Yeah. Well, I mean, when do you stop talking? You can only stop talking about it when people stop asking you about it.
You know? No, I think. What's he going to say on live television with Andy Cohen? Like, I think I'm done talking about it.
He could. But it was so funny when he was like, you came in backstage when they asked him like what he's annoyed about he's like well you came in backstage and said you don't want this whole thing to be about page and the breakup and this whole thing has been about page and the breakup like every question somehow went back to and like so how did did page cheat on you like he was just like i don't fucking know yeah anyways let's get joel's thoughts and that's up next this episode of the fiveiles is sponsored by BetterHelp.
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Joel, welcome to the Vile Files. Oh my God, thank you so much for having me.
We're so excited. We're all very big fans of you here.
You know, it's interesting you bring that up, Nick. Because, no, no, I mean, we chatted about this a little bit before I I came on but there were a few episodes I think where you where my name was dropped and you in fact said the complete opposite of me of you being a fan of mine and we sort of worked it out on the remix over DM but so no hard feelings and also I kind of like if there's anyone who understands popping off in the moment and not me, I think I completely understand that.
And I think, yeah, no. And listen, I, you know.
What did I say? Because I do, I think I owe you an apology, but I want to know what I'm apologizing for. You said that is not the kind of person I would want in my orbit.
I used to be a fan. I am no longer a fan.
And when I did the apology, this was the only thing that was a little confusing to me. You said it was a weak move and little boy shit or something like that.
And this is what I will say about that. Is that like, and I'll show you the text messages from executives asking me not to apologize and let it like die on its own.
So I did genuinely want to do that because I did genuinely like took the time. It was a lot going on after that all went down and it took, trust like no one was more upset with me than my fiance and that was like a really rough time and so I regretted it pretty much immediately but it took me like those two weeks to sort of really find the words to really like how do I accept responsibility for this and take accountability for this without trying to like shift it in any sort of way.
And, you know, maybe I wasn't super successful in that, but it was not a mandate for me to do that. And it was something that I did want to genuinely do because, and I said it like, listen, I'm not going to sit here and say, that's not me because clearly it is, that is a part of me that is not a part that i want to access all the time

and i work very hard not to access and so that was the only thing you said because like when you were saying the other stuff to share like in shannon's presence i was like well you kind of got to play ball in that way but that was like i was like i i think i really did want it to come off like i was taking responsibility for it.

Well, I was too harsh.

No, listen.

We had just met really did want it to come off like i was taking responsibility for it and so i was too harsh i was

no listen i was uh we had just met shannon and we were like coming off of that season of shannon she had the amazing season was triggered by john jansen every episode i think i was just having my girls back.

Listen,

like I said,

it was

precipitated by real

things, i it was like precipitated by real things but it was but like the the stuff that i said like i was going i was saying shit that i didn't mean like of course i'm not like feeling for john jansen like he's a monster and like that's so clear but i just was saying the most digging deep to say the most hurtful things i could in that moment and you know it just wasn't um something that i'm proud of um and i it's like an unfortunate like little asterisk now to my like entire career like i'm i think the first host of a reality dating show that has um come after a contestant before the show has aired and that's always going to be on my wik now. And I have to live with that.
And that's a bummer for me. Well, I'm sorry that that happened.
But at the same time, if it was going to happen on any show, to any group of people, I feel like you will survive this. Yeah.
Listen, amongst Bravo fans, my inbox and it's and actually the the trailer dropping has re-upped that but like the venn diagram of like bravo super fans and people who want to bring back the word mongoloid is much like a bigger circle than you think it is um they were like people were really upset and i think with good reason and especially I mean, you can't watch that season of OC and not be a little bit of a Shannon Stan. I mean, I went into filming the show a huge Shannon Stan because half the season had aired already by the time I got there.
And she was having an amazing season, in part because so many of the other women were being such assholes. how could she not? And yeah, so I think it's interesting.
I don't know how much it will affect the show. And I regret it mostly because the show is going to be really fucking good.
I definitely don't want to watch any less. Yeah, no.
Well, and people who are expecting to see conflict between me and the women, there is no conflict between me and the women. It all happened after we wrapped.
In fact, I think there are moments and scenes where I connect deeply with each of them. And it is very genuine.
And that is a small part of the you know, the feedback I've gotten from the people who are cutting together these episodes. I start getting episodes this week, so I'm going to see it.
But is that, you know, they're happy with the job that I did. And I think, like, the show is going to be really good.
And I think it bums me out when I see people being like, I'm not going to watch this because I hate that guy. And I'm like, you know.

We're watching.

Everyone.

Oh, yeah.

We're watching, guys.

I'm excited.

Guys, guys.

Joel and I made up.

We're best friends.

You have to watch it now.

Yeah, adding you back to the wedding invite list.

Well, kind of to your point.

I mean, it's just like I obviously had a reactive reaction

and said some harsh things in the heat of the moment

of having our girls back.

You said some harsh things in the heat of the moment.

We've all said, you know, it's like,

And some of the things of having our girls back. You said some harsh things in the heat of the moment.
We've all said, you know, it's like, sometimes you need to apologize for shit and move on. Where do you and Shannon stand today? You know, I did send her a personal apology as well because, you know, inevitably we're all doing press for this show right now.
I don't think I'm doing any, press with shannon anytime soon um but you know i understand her reticence to well want to take that at face value i of course understand that and um i think like we can probably coexist i think we'll have to in the context of this show uh and doing the work for that i think part of the reason why they were trying to be like, hey, maybe don't publicly apologize for this is that the news cycle is quick over there at Bravo. And people, I'm sure she will find someone to be way more mad at than me.
There is that. Also, in the history of the internet, we joke about this.
I have never seen anyone in the internet go, oh, that was a good you yeah no yeah well i'm over it yeah no one everyone's like oh an apology let's pick it apart you know and like yeah i think um yeah no so i think it's it'll it'll be whatever i you know i'm i don't travel to the oc very often i don't think we uh hang out in the same circles so i think it's probably something that i will to leave behind. And again, it's just going to be this weird asterisk.
Shannon's had to ask for Grace before too. She has said and done things that, well, we've also been hard on her too.
Yeah, yeah. And that is the thing is that like, there were ways I could have addressed the behavior that precipitated this in a professional way and not given her the opportunity to be, you know, sort of added on top of like all of the other shit that she has been, you know, been piled on her.
Um, and yeah. Well, thanks for addressing.
I do respect you so much for just coming on the show after hearing like us you know being very critical um of you which i you know is is rare in this business

there's a lot of people who are like fuck that podcast fuck those people they said like i was

um a fuck boy and it like really hurts their feelings to the point where they won't know and

the thing is is like i i think i would have had i'm glad that we talked about it before i came and

And I didn't, you know, there was a part of me that was like,

Thank you. really hurts their feelings to the point where they won't.
And the thing is, is like, I think I would have had, I'm glad that we talked about it before I came and I didn't, I, you know, there was a part of me that was like, maybe I'll just go and like bring it, you know? And, but I was like, I also just like, I wanted to know that this wasn't going to be like some sort of like ambush or something like that. And, um, I wanted to explain myself to you specifically because like, I think that what you said is not unfair given the context that you had.

And so I was a little anxious coming here.

You came more than I can say for other people.

You mentioned before we started recording that you were in the process of planning a wedding yeah we i spent all night

sympathies go out watching uh real houses of atlanta while creating a wedding website and

sending out the save the dates um to all of the many people the much larger list of people that

we ended up how yeah it always happened how how what where are you in the plant so um just sent

out the safety dates.

It's a new year's wedding.

So it's this new year's and,

um,

yeah.

So that's kind of like,

we're kind of good for now for that.

We've like at the venue,

you know,

we're just,

you know,

sort of figuring out all of the like food now and that,

but it's,

you know,

276 days away or something like that.

What's your relationship with all the vendors?

It is going to be interesting.

Uh, we have like a really great wedding planner um and she is like sort of dealing with a lot of that but it was funny because like my branding rep like and my pr person as soon as i i announced that i was engaged we're like how much of this wedding do you want to cover it and i was like huh um i don't necessarily want it to be like joel and jm's wedding brought to you by clorox you know um but like if you know a liquor brand wants to pay for the bar then like i will post an instagram story about it i'm not too listen the price tag on this thing is is um wild and i'm we're we're fine we're you know it'll be it's coverable but it is like kind of like oh damn um one night maybe we should just uh go to the courthouse like um you know regular i will say the things that like you put you think people are gonna care about they don't care about you know i we we've just done our like circuit of weddings and it's it's weird because like most like i feel like i my friends who were stayed close with their friends from high school go to weddings constantly um and i speak to no one from high school so like i i've only been to like a handful of weddings in the last couple of years god bless and like it did sort of like we were taking notes a little bit and from some of these weddings but again it was like oh i don't care all i cared about was like the food and so like you know the snacks are really important the meal is really important and it's like just as long as like creating because for for me it's like i just want to like throw have a really good experience for the people that i'm asking to fly to san francisco for this wedding you know and like yeah it's going to be a really good party i will say like as someone who like if nally would have been like hey let's go to our card house i've been like great awesome i'm so glad like once the wedding got done it was like it was so worth it like you really yeah i was i was like i because i was the person who was like fine more fine fine yeah and then it was like, it was so worth it. Like you really, yeah, I was, I was like, I,

cause I was the person who was like,

fine,

more fine,

fine,

fine.

And then it was like,

it was magical.

Neither one of us,

when we entered the relationship,

we're like gay marriage guys,

you know,

like we could,

I think the expectation for a while was that we were just going to be like those like weird 55 year old boyfriends who've been together for a million years.

And I think like there's something shifted when I think we realized like to say in front of like, it's like when you tell your friends you're writing a book, it's like, well, now you have to write the book, you know, because they will they will ask about it forever. And it is that thing of like when we really decided that like, you know, because my assumption for so long was that I would meet someone.
I would fall in love with that person and be in love with that person for the rest of my life. But we had this conversation three years deep where it was like, wow, in three years, we have both changed so much.
And you are not the person that I fell in love with. You are different.
I'm still in love with you, though, this version. And I am pretty confident I'm going to be in love with the next iteration.
And like iteration four will suck, but we'll ride that out into iteration five. And like once we had that realization, it was like, oh, no, I really want to stand up in front of my friends and say, like, I'm going to do the work.
Falling in love was like not my choice. It just sort of happened.
But like the work of staying in love, these weddings that we've been to over the last couple of years, like that's really like a powerful thing, you know, and we're not religious people. It's not about that.
It's about sort of like us, you know, sort of like asking our friends to keep us accountable for promises. I did not expect how much I'd enjoy saying my wife.
Yeah. You know, Oh, I fucking hate saying fiance though.
Fiance sucks. Fiance sucks.
It's a mouthful. Oh, I just like, no, my husband is gonna ring my husband is gonna be great yeah also nick and i do say that all the time of like we we work so hard on our relationship and i think that's like why we're you know almost to year five is just like you wake up every day and you choose each other and you do the work and it's not easy and it you know some days are easy but a lot of the days aren't and it's like you just gotta communicate choose that person every day so do the work yeah like how you get your craig used to i don't know how much communication was going on in that relationship it seems unclear did you see the watch what happens live appearance of craig shep and and austin i missed that one unfortunately do you Have you seen some clips? I think I have.
Do we have some clips for Joel? He once again really gets into the relationship with Paige. It is so frustrating because last season with Lindsay and Carl, we knew that relationship was dead on arrival.
But it was still fascinating to watch. Unfortunately, I just the credit i i just want pages single season now you know like i don't i it's just so frustrating to watch him not hear any like not absorb so you're definitely team page oh for sure i'm with you too where it was just like him being like he's not watching summer house so for him to be like oh no she doesn't mean that we had a really great relationship it's like no listen to what she's saying in the episode it is very chef and sienna in a in a except i might the only reason i i would disagree with that because yes i mean from all our perspectives watching these shows and this relationship with the benefit of the bravo callback yeah it's like it's so easy to nitpick and pull coals with the hindsight of 2020 but when craig says i didn't see any signs i i believe him you know and this is this is where i will like be on your side a little bit is that i'm not sure like i i do think she was pretty clear in like the conversation they had at the australian restaurant about like her career and stuff like that but she is being way more forthright in that fucking bed yep with those girls then we've seen her be with Craig and we don't know what those conversations off camera actually were or how much she was like being as direct as she is when she's with her friends or on camera with him so like there is a there's a chance but like i don't know craig like does not have a lot of credibility um after especially after this last i will say getting into the southern charm reunion i will say i think craig was grasping at just anything that page would give him he was looking for so like the littlest amount of reassurance the fact that he said publicly at the reunion as like backup for himself was that page said keep the ring maybe we'll get married at bravo con was the most laughable sentence i've ever heard in my life like no one's getting married at bravo con especially not page de sorbo and the fact that he heard her say a page joke and was like oh my god there's there's chance.
She wants to get married. Okay.
Maybe it's a provocation, but she wants to get married. I think he was taking anything she said, whether it was a, a typical Paige joke or whatever, like just, he, he needed some sense of reassurance that he would take any, it was like she, he wasn't listening.
Don't we think though, that if the roles were reversed craig broke up with page and handled himself the exact same way that page has handled this breakup i feel like this would be an ariana matic situation i just i listen i think there's a lot to be gained nowadays and winning a breakup i mean yeah especially when it's so public but i it is sort of like i don't know what she gains from winning the breakup honestly i see what he is like the flailing that he's doing he's still trying to win it i think i think like it's he's like losing the breakup more than she is winning the breakup if that makes any sense but all right let's play this clip let's play this clip talking about are you dating i am okay and I'm really happy. Okay, are you dating anyone specific? Are you dating? I am And I'm really happy Are you dating anyone specifically? Now I will say If I'm the new girl I definitely want them to stop talking about Paige I mean but come on That's not gonna happen Summer house has to end I hear you're saying this The way he is talking It's just like well you don't know how she felt even of what and i'm just i just give him grace for like maybe wasn't being totally on the thing about craig and we saw this a little bit in this last season of southern charm is that he does lie a lot but the thing is is i think he he's not like intentionally lying like he is like he believes what he's saying and like i think he genuinely believes that like what he's saying about the breakup i just don't know that that is the reality of it because we've seen him sort of like unknowingly twist the reality i mean like tj didn't say that miss pat was a bitch like he just didn't you know and so like but i know that craig really deeply believes in his heart that he did do you think it's like one of those things where he'll hear something like to nally's point like we all assume that page clearly was sarcastic about it and like made like some remark and craig's just like no you said that shit yeah i mean it's him being like she said in my like he remembers these vivid moments like she was in my pool she said she wanted to get married and have kids she said keep the ring because we could get married at bravo con and it's like i think he's just like listening to her speak and not like listening to her speak yeah i mean it does sound like anyone who's ever been broken up with with a broken heart i mean i've done that and then she said this and then she said that and she promised me this and like what the You know? I do believe at the reunion when Craig said, then I was confused.
Because then she was like, why didn't you fight for me? Like, why didn't you? And I do believe that maybe Paige got a little like toxic of like, well, why didn't you like try to get me back? Why didn't you? And it fucked up. Yeah.
I just think, you know, Craig said it himself. He's a lawyer and a storyteller.
And I think he's telling himself- An emphasis on storyteller. Yeah, I think he is telling himself a story right now in order to move on in the way that he needs to move on.
And I think that there's probably like a little bit of truth on both sides. I tend to believe Paige a little bit more.
And like, we've the the way she acted with him like on camera and i just can't imagine that it was such a huge shift from off camera to on camera i don't know i agree with that i don't think she was playing it up for the cameras per se but i think she might have been playing it up with her girls like once she got with her girls and she got comfortable and she's in that bed and she like starts kind of talking and she starts really talking. And when she's like in Charleston with Craig.
But don't friends do that in real life too? You know, you get together with your girls. You guys talk some shit.
You often break up with someone with your friends before you break up with the other person, actually, I think. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
That's what I'm saying. Even for him, I'm like, I understand protecting your piece and not wanting to watch Summer

House, but I'm at the same time.

I'm like, if you have any questions about what happened in your relationship, you literally

have a guide to watch and see how she was talking about you behind your back, how she

actually felt about things that you did in your relationship and to not utilize that.

Like, I'm like, of course, you're going to have all these question marks.

It'd be so much easier for him to move on if you just watch the season.

I can get where he's struggling, though, because in some ways ways the way she talks and treats him on cameras is a bit emasculating and she kind of talks down to him. There were definitely some parts like when they're sitting in that little dinghy boat and she's like, I'll let you know if like you're fired, I'll give you a year review and let you know if you're fired.
And then when they're in the bed and she's like, can you get on your phone and lay back? And I'm sure just like now he's just kind of like no our relationship in real life was different and i stood up for myself you know it's like he's i feel like he's almost defending his honor as a guy you know it's just like i wouldn't have let page treat me that way things were different you know who knows what's true but i can't help but wonder if he's just more like watching what we're all watching and a lot of people are kind of mocking him for how page i guess treated him i don't know it is that thing of like i think she needs an alpha like for a real alpha and i think that like part of like him caving and moving to new york i think like even though she said she wanted that like gave her the i think yeah i think once she realized she could get him to do that, she was like, oh, no. As successful as she is and is becoming and will continue to be, I think she needs someone who's always at her level or above.
Yeah, no. And listen, I think she's probably one of the funniest Bravo people we have now.
I love her. Again, cannot wait to see that woman single on Summer House.
And it's just so, like, in a different way than Lindsay and Carl, really hard to watch. And not as interesting as you'd want it to be.
Did you see that Craig said he will not associate himself with Vanita after what she said on this show? Was it on this episode? This podcast? This Watch What Happens Live episode. Well, she said that on our podcast, but on Watch What Happens Live, he confirmed that he was like, she no longer has access to me.
What did she say here? That he should have defended Paige. And I think went back to like the whole.
Because it was a good. No, it was like the liar or something.
He's a liar. She had Paige's back.
She had Paige's back, which a lot of people were like shocked by because Southern Trump people. No, I know.
And he said, I don't mind that she said she's team Paige. She can be friends with Paige, but it's what she said after that that I will not associate myself with her anymore.
And which was what? Don't remember. But I know it was on this show.
Okay. You have a lot of guests.
Yeah. We talk a lot.
Well, there's also a video of the Southern Charm girls watching back Watch What Happens Live. So you see Vanita's genuine reaction in the moment of the fact that like.
What did she say? She was just like, so you're not going to talk to me? You're upset with me? Like, this is the first time that she heard that Craig and her are no longer friends or that he will not associate with her anymore. Well, the last thing Vanita needs is to be more siloed on that show.
I got to say, like, metaphorically, she needs to get of the bed you know i would love for her to move to new york and i'm saying like she is a dynamic person and i do like her i just like there's a lot of dead weight on that cast right now like i'm sorry but like what are those two gay guys how are they getting a check right now i don't know ryan just shows up yeah the fact that rodrigo is sitting on the couch at the reunion i'm like what did you what was your story what was your story and like i like i like that there are gay characters and cast members on these shows but i just want them to like do the work a little bit more than a dog party yeah like when when ryan was being confronted about like what he told vanita and then rodrigo tried to chime in Ryan was like, actually don't want you in here. The fact that he just, just left.
I was like, no, no, no. You're on Bravo.
You're on Bravo, babe. You stay in that room and you, and you yell on screen.
Get that camera time. Earn the check.
Um, I, I'm still confused by JT's timeline because like, wait, didn't he have a girlfriend girlfriend while filming and then we find out that him and Vanita dated after filming and then like wait did he break up with his then girlfriend and now is he back with the same girl? But because Vanita didn't respond to him for three days he then got back with his ex girlfriend because he wasn't just gonna sit around and wait for Vanita. We found out that that scene where he tells her that he's seeing someone was filmed after the Bahamas, but placed before the Bahamas, which is like, that's doing her a little dirty.
Doing her dirty, for sure. I mean, the fact is, is like, I want so much more for her than that man, who I do think, like, I don't blame him for quitting.
I think he was, I don't like him, but I do think he was given sort of a raw deal in certain situations like the the some black girl comment like clearly i don't think he said that and like clearly that was but he did admit to saying like cute black woman oh did he say that he said he said i said the barbers on the phone and he's like you said it was like a cute black girl and he was like when then he related he related to Vanita, was like, I didn't, I said a cute black woman.

Woman is what I called you.

So now I'm sort of, I did,

I must've been on my phone during that moment

because now I'm sort of.

It felt like he was admitting to saying the word black,

but he was trying to figure out what he.

Could put around it.

Put around the word.

Yeah. When like, he could have just said a cute woman.

I assumed that he like showed the barber a picture and the barber extrapolated like, oh, like didn't remember Vinita's name.

And was like, you know, some black girl.

And like that was like his addition to the, you know, sort of phone tree.

But like, you know, I don't know now. You really rocks my world with that.
I know. I mean, the fact that Vanita is fighting for this slime.
Every time I see JT, I just see a ball of slime. And then when he feels so fucking condescending.
Yeah. Oh, she's, I have nothing bad to say.
Well, you're just saying that because you don't want her to roast you and call you out for playing her. Well, you might not have anything bad to say about her, but your girlfriend did, and you said, I won't defend you.
Yeah. I can't do anything about that.
Crazy. You know? It's just so sick to see a woman who's that beautiful and like great personality like so successful be so like enamored with this this man this guy like it's just so crazy and like i uh yeah i want better for her i want better for her i want any reboot recast throw her up there do you think sierra needs to get over west period um i actually think that like she's moving at a pretty a better pace than i thought she would going into the season i don't think they're ever gonna she's ever going to be good friends with him again like as she stated but like she's not been like i don't know she hasn't been dwelling on it past like, like where she's like, I hasn't brought it

up herself unless other people bring it up. And she's like, you know, coexisting with him.
I, you know, I, I think like she's at a fine level for me now. If she was like really like making this her storyline for the season, I would be annoyed.
But I don't think that's the case with Sierra. I think like she is genuinely like um sort of like now getting over it at a reasonable pace did y'all see a lot of people are criticizing the fact that they are in that bed with their shoes on and that dried paint all over sierra's legs from being the parrot and to-go food bags and everyone's like, this is where you, your bed should be the cleanest place ever.
It's been said so many times by so many people. But ladies, you gotta get out of the bed.
You gotta get out of the bed. It's like you don't put your suitcase on your bed to pack your clothes.
It's been under a plane. It's been thrown on the ground.
It's been on the dirtiest surfaces ever. And you're gonna lay it on your bed.
It's like when Nick gets in the bed with his outside clothes on, you don't do it. You don't do it.
I'm reminded how disgusting my body is anytime I sit on the bed. He's like, oh my god, what are you doing? I'm like, get naked.
Why are your clothes that have been sitting on a chair? I think it's a boy thing because I've never even thought about my outside clothes being on the bed. Like shoes certainly never, never, never.
But I am reminded of it. But like, I don't think I've ever thought about outside clothes on the bed.
It makes sense. I mean, it does.
She's not your airplane outfit. If I got home, no, if I got home and I was like, oh my god, I need to like lay down.
This is coming off. These are coming off.
I'm putting on a robe. I'm putting on sweatpants.
I'm putting on something and getting under the cover.

I would never, ever, ever put clothes that have been on the outside world in my sheets.

Yeah.

I'm going to think and meditate on that for a long time.

And I want you to do that.

Yeah.

And I do.

For moving forward for sure.

Dude, you'll think about it the next time you go to get in bed.

I'm now suddenly like, oh my God, these are my outside clothes?

Literally.

I don't know where they have been.

I really am obsessed with your outside clothes today.

You found those on Instagram?

Yeah, no.

I was saying before, Instagram got me again, girl.

He wants you to read that tag on the back of those pants and give him the label.

I'll figure it out.

Oh, I think it's like costs, actually.

I think it might be as simple as that.

Simple.

Okay.

But we'll confirm after the podcast. Have you ever had your toes sucked for 37 minutes no never i am not a big guy at all and also like what are you doing in there jesse they really got him when she was like why did you take your socks off and because you know it makes sense like sure if like he got his toe sucked he would take off one sock yeah right why were both socks off and if you like did something where you would have i don't know taken all your clothes off you wouldn't you would just like put your pants on and your t-shirt on and walk out you wouldn't like you would forget your socks and he was carrying his shoes at the end of it too where he was carrying his shoes out shoes out barefoot.
And I was like, I got to say about Jesse, it's frustrating. I preferred Jesse so much more last season when he was like, I am a fuck boy.
This is who I am. Like this is and like was so charming.
And like you didn't care because it's like at least he's being honest about who he is. I think this season, I think because of the cancer stuff from last season, he has made this arbitrary arbitrary decision he kind of even admitted to it with that conversation with Craig and Amanda I think when he was like well isn't it time that I start to do this and like it's like no baby it's clearly not time for you to do this like that is not who you are yet and that's okay he's under 30 isn't No, I think he's like 31 or something like that.

Yeah.

But a cancer scare.

He I think that made him think like, oh, I should like be settling down now.

But it's so clear that he's not.

And here's what I will say.

I would be way more upset about that conversation with Sierra than I would about the toe.

Yeah.

Like, I think like the toe is whatever.

I mean, I'm a gay guy.

So my bar is set a little bit differently. But like that with Ciara, she finds out about the toe on camera, but she's going to see that.
And that would be so shitty to watch. It's on a different level.
And I also just, I don't think that he wants to date Ciara either. I think he's just somebody who needs a lot of attention.
It's like like would you rather have the person you've been hanging out with for three weeks watch a threesome for 37 minutes let's assume that's all he did yeah he just stood there and watched with popcorn right would that be cheating like if you watched if you just sat there in the front row seat yeah conversation there i don't think i yeah if you're in a room with two naked women and like watching them he and he literally said oh i'm hard now yeah like we have that also he didn't sit in the corner he laid on the bed but don't worry he put his foot by their faces okay well so let's assume he only did watch i doubt he did but yes would that be harder to joel's point than watching him talk to this beautiful person and to say like i've kind of always had a thing for you and blah blah blah that's the thing is i think like most monogamous couples are like there's this line and as long as i don't cross this line it's not cheating i'm good and i think he did cross that line with the toe but i think like looking at your relationship from a 360 perspective like so many people just think as long as they don't cross the sex line, they're good, you know?

And for me, like I'm in a non-monogamous relationship.

It's so much more about like the emotional like and the like, you know, connective stuff.

Like I could care less who sucks his toes, honestly.

But like if you were like sitting down with someone being like, wow, you're the one that got away.

Like, you know, I would be would be like okay fuck my drag yeah did lexi put out a statement or a story i can't i felt like well you find that i will say they were teasing this threesome all fucking year long being like a threesome happens on summer on Summer House. Emeril, I think, is so interesting.

I love that he operates like a gay guy,

but is straight.

But I will say, he gives the energy of

a B-tier level Netflix dating show,

like a Too Hot to Handle or something like that.

That's where he belongs.

Because right now, he's using the show as a platform.

We don't even see these women. Or him.
He's covering covering the camera He needs to get out Of the bed too You know And like I I just You know He had It sounds like he has A very interesting backstory That I'd love to hear more about But he doesn't talk To anybody else He just goes out And brings back Strange girls That we never see Anything No one's signing Any releases Yeah yeah But you know haven't they just blurred faces in the past? Yeah. You know what I want to know watching Summer House? Who, like, who ends up at these parties, you know? Like, do you get an invite? Is it, like, Summer House weekend soiree? They sort of gave us a peek behind the curtain last time when Carl was, like, she was on my list last weekend.
So it sounds to me like they each get, like, anment of people they're allowed to invite. And like they're on so-and-so's list.
I will say the summer house parties are the only parties in reality television that actually look fun. Usually they're stage parties.
Oh, for sure. And if you like zoom out, you realize it's just those people.
No music, crickets. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, yeah. I love watching the parties too where it's like somebody else is having like a really fun time then somebody else is fighting and they have no idea like that's the type of parties i want to see not like sometimes housewives where you're just like well this is the center entertainment for tonight right and it's just you're like checking in with the randos at the table you're like what is what's your experience of this like um yeah i'll go to summer house party any day over like a housewife sit down dinner yes are you uh team sutton or is it justice for sutton or are you more like finally we're calling out son i think she's having a really tough season now i've met something out socially and she was so nice and so lovely like surrounded by gay guys and i think she thrives in that environment and is the best version of her experience yeah yeah i will die hard for her yeah i i don't love what's happening on this season with her a lot and like the garcelle leaving because like she's so clearly much more interested and invested in a friendship with kyle than she is with Garcelle is kind of a bummer.
I think Garcelle, because she's so clearly much more interested and invested in a friendship with Kyle than she is with Garcelle is

kind of a bummer. I think

Garcelle, though, is leaving

quite honestly at the right time because

I think the tide

was about to turn

on Garcelle a little bit, too.

And I think she's leaving

at the height of her popularity

and that's the smartest move that

any housewife has ever decided to do for themselves.

Makes sense, yeah.

They do say it's like, you're never safe

Thank you. Well, you're right.
I mean, the writing is on the wall for everyone to kind of turn on Garcelle. Like, you know, this is Kyle's season.
She's taking a little bit of a beating, but not even that much. But it's Kyle.
She never gets out of a beating. And Garcelle kind of has gone for Kyle.
So I could see next season all of a sudden. And Dorit.
And Dorit. And I think, like, what I read was that Bo's, like, really comes to her about the staged break-in of it all.
And, like, that really comes back to bite her at the reunion is that they all sort of go in on like that sort of comment which is like she says some like she says some pretty shocking things sometimes in a way that is like garcelle in in a way that's like um i'm glad she says most of the stuff she says like when she's like can we just call you a lesbian like are you it's like well let's let's talk about it i mean i we we know that like Garcelle isn't the only one in that group who suspects foul play when it comes to Dorit's breaking. Well I'll say like I don't think Dorit knew anything about it but it is a little sus like I think I don't put it past PK you know and don't sue me please yeah allegedly we don't put it past pk allegedly this book ended but yeah uh i think like she was voicing like what a lot of people were thinking now do i think like she should have i that's a that's a different question i'm not sure i can i'm equipped to answer yet but to answer your question i'm not necessarily team sutton right now i like again like in real life i i hope to run into her at high tops again but i just think like i really didn't love the like wallet comment that's tough and like and like listen do i do i stand dorit in any way shape or form no do i think we're finally seeing a little bit of like who like when she lit that cigarette i was like that is who you are finally we are seeing who you are and like i i i'm glad for that like at the very least because this was kind of a boring season yeah like what did you think of the impersonations the mocking that was mean i don't think there's ever a time in which you can like impersonate someone where they're like really that's how i sound you know it's never snl is not calling anytime soon either um it was like not a good impression even um but yeah i um it is strange like i just think that like sutton really wants to be friends with kyle and i think it drives her nuts that she can't get in there and i think like um it's very much like cool girl table like it's a little heather gay you know too like in the way that she sort of rides for lisa in in a kind of like transparent that's a really good comparison yeah i hope for and pray that like it'll be interesting in the same way it's been interesting to see Giselle without Robin, I think it'll be interesting to see Sutton without Marcel for a minute and see how that sort of plays out.

It is so true when Dorit said, like, Sutton condition and she cannot take it.

Oh, my God. It's so true.

Like, the fact that she could sit at that table and give that wallet sentence and then for them to be like, hey, so, like, you're not really nice.

And she's, like, freaking out and she can't't it is wild how some people are built like that it is um and i think like i it's so sad that crystal never really brought it in the way she needed to bring it because i knowing her in real life she's very funny and very sharp and i think like at the beginning the season, when she had that little tiff with Sutton,

we were,

I was like,

yes,

okay,

this is going to work.

And then I think she got so scared because Sutton was so much more popular than her that she really dialed it back.

But I was like,

I like you.

Oh,

you're that girl.

Like I was like,

yes,

get in there.

Like,

let's really unpack this.

But then she really just,

I don't know.

I think she,

she,

she like dialed back because she was,

she got spooked but

yeah i mean there's a level of when you're to do what those ladies do it's like do i need

this in my life the drama the the messiness like just the toxicity it's a it's not for everyone

i want crystal to go back to housewives so badly i do i do too i i talked to her i guess like part

of the reason was and i i you know i don't know if this is like the complete full truth was that

Thank you. housewives so badly.
I do too. I talked to her.
I guess part of the reason was,

and I don't know if this is the complete full truth,

was that they really wanted

a season of all single women.

And that didn't necessarily

play out or pay off

in an interesting way.

Because that was technically

this season.

Yeah, nobody's married.

Everybody is.

We really missed out

on a Dorit date

of some kind. Yeah, and I kind of missed even the couples trips and things.
Shit always used to go down, and now I just feel like everything is just either like- Yeah, even at that point, it's just like, Kyle, whatever's going on with Morgan or not going on with Morgan, can't we at least fake a date? Yeah. Can't we at least- Well, we did see that.
We did see the tattoo parlor moment. She wasetime and like all over last season yeah but i want to see i want to see kyle go on a date with some guy or or i want to see the single life i want to see or read that's the problem is that like they think i think they wanted like the fun single season to be this season but none of them have worked out those their exes yet they're still in divorce mode and so so I'm hopeful that maybe next season we'll see.
I think Boz is a fun addition. She finally broke the one season wonder curse on that show, I think.
She is awesome. I've never seen someone.
I've never seen a housewife I agree with unanimously. I do think they got some backlash, her and Erika, when they were on Watch What Happens Live together.
A lot of the response was like, this is very mean girl. They did not come off very well.
What were they saying? The whole Garcelle peaked in the 90s. They were bantering in a way that was very negative.
And then Garcelle also, at the same time, was like, I'm leaving the show. Yeah.
It's also like, that's not even the best dick. Talk about making someone who peaked.
Hey, Erica, at least someone had a peak. I mean, that's what time was like i'm leaving the show yeah but it's also like that's not even the best dick talk about making someone hey erica at least someone had a peak i mean that's what

garcelle's peak is like yeah yeah and then like and now like she is like doing like she's back in

a big way and like that's part of my frustration honestly with garcelle's storylines it's like

i don't need to hear about another movie or how busy you are like i'm you're at work

Thank you. like she's back in a big way and like that's part of my frustration honestly with garcelle's storylines it's like i don't need to hear about another movie or how busy you are like i'm you're at work now you know like um focus on that but um but i'm i'm so happy for her success you know like i'm glad that she's leaving the show and will probably make the human we're happy for her choices like the housewife yeah exactly and that is the the central conflict of any of watching any of these shows is like do do you want like an interesting person or do you want like an a cool nice normal person no i would be devastated if lisa barlow left i know and yeah and i don't know if could, I don't know if I trust to be her friend.

Right.

You know,

yeah.

You said you were wedding planning,

watching Real Housewives

of Atlanta.

How are you loving

this new season?

I am so

stoked about this season.

I think the soft reboot

is exactly what it needed.

I think Shamia,

like I'm so like,

I don't know why

I'm surprised,

but like her being sort of the center and our entrance into this new era of the show, I think she's great. She's put in the time.
I think she earned that peach. I find her to be wonderful.
I did not know that HVAC sales was so lucrative. Right, truly.
We all learned that. And I have not yet learned or been able to remember most of the names other than Brit.

And Brit, Angela, Kelly, right?

I know Kelly because of the 17 designer backs for her 17th birthday.

Angela in a marriage that is, again, like doomsday.

Angela and Charles.

That conversation was hard to watch.

When they say things on camera like, 10 years is long time i'm like babe like yeah what mic off that's your that's your like on camera like filter yeah and like what what are you saying to this woman behind closed doors i'm so so calling her latoya jackson was the shadiest thing i've ever heard in my entire life and i know. And I cannot believe that they just moved past it.
We're able to squash it. I love Portia Williams.
She's one of my all-time faves. And I am really excited for a new season with Portia.
Are you team Portia when it comes to... The Drew stuff? Yeah.
I mean, yeah, you kind of have to be because it's like again drew like seems um fine as a person but like i i don't like engage well with her storylines on the show i'm worried for her ankles constantly i'm like what bone is she going to break next she's always broken yeah it does make sense like portia's only line is like do not film with him yeah and that's like and like why is the this hot dog man like producing music now like it's so strange like like it would it would make more sense on to be on drew's side if like he was a very successful music producer that could like rocket her career to the next level like i would would have a little more sympathy for her, but like, it seems kind of random. And honestly, like it does not seem like it's going to be a flexion point in her career working with Dennis.
Drew's already kind of questionable, like from like past seasons behavior wise and like girl's girl. But I'm just like the idea that you're sitting here saying straight to someone's face that like, no, like I didn't do that.
I'm not like this is my angel he's just my friend like i just love him so much and then it's like you have uh the business meeting with portia and like her co-worker being like yeah they reached out to me about wanting to film with dennis and it's like you're literally saying you're not doing this and yet it's being constantly proven that you are why would this be the look that you want to go into this season with especially because we're portia stands yeah and next week's the big well we ended with i know and the thing is is if kenya didn't do like didn't do what she did like i'd almost be on her side a little bit like if i didn't know what was coming after this episode i would sort of be like she is doing a lot right now the ending season of the or the ending scene of this episode where it was just like okay first of all we kind of think you're on the wrong show with the whole like I've got a pistol in my bag threatening her life where I was like it's giving baddies it's not giving Atlanta housewives but it was just like it kind of is giving a little bit of like rhyme and reason to why Kenya is so like I know but she I mean talk about taking too far. Like, I don't know, like how she goes from like marching band at to revenge porn.
Like it's such a big leap. It's so crazy.
We had her back for a second. Yeah.
If none of us knew, like after this last episode, if none of us knew what was coming in the next episode, I think we'd all be unanimously behind Kenya. 100%.
You know, again, love her, hate her. Like, she is great TV.
Yes. She's still tweeting, too.
My first housewife pairing on Watch What Happens Live. Really? And I'm going on again with an Atlanta housewife closer to the premiere of Love Hotel.
And I've been, it will be my third Atlanta house housewife that i've been on with um i got kenya marlo and now hopefully hope against hope porsche um but would also love shamiya too i think um i love those ladies so much uh love hotel yeah let's talk about it a little bit uh what can we look forward to um you know this is this is like on truth. The most pleasant thing, I think, and surprising thing about this show, and I think it's primarily because of the makeup of the women, is you do get to see these women really become friends and really have their back.
There is conflict. There is drama.
But it is all between the women and the men. And it is nice to see them just be be friends you know like it's nice to not see like the conflict between the women like take over the show it's so that i think people will be pleasantly surprised by and i think like luann is just it is like so it is exactly where you want to see you almost want to see luann as like the only one uh you know like um she is there's like i i know for a fact that like the music they will play behind some of her scenes of it will be so goofy because she is like tenfold the comic relief of the show um in every episode she is just so wild but yeah it's interesting to see all of them i i'm excited like i hope the show continues and we get to see like heather gay on the show and like a different mix like yeah it'll be interesting to see how this format sort of moves forward after this season and and i think it's going to be well received i think it's going to be it's really a fun time and there are some real like like, real thing, real shit goes down.
When's the release date? April 27th. Okay.
Yeah. Coming up.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. A few weeks away.
It feels like it's going to give us, like, fill that void that we have from, like, Ultimate Girls Trip being shelved. Yeah.
So that's what I'm really excited for. And we will get to see these women, like, kind of open up about their love lives and dating lives.
I mean, like I said, like, I have some sit-downs with them and it like it gets like real vulnerable for from people like giselle too who like i think i've probably not said the kindest things about giselle in the past and i think she knew that coming into the show and we at by the end of the show like despite the fact that she recently said my dick was uh too small on her podcast we are like good i texted her about that and i was like hey what what why did you say that and like um we ended up by the end of the conversation i was like hope the girls are great like it's like she did really like we we did really get like much closer like she said to to me at the end of the filming,

she was like,

I thought you would be kind of a little bitch.

And we hugged it out and it was great.

And all of them, I think,

gave me a lot of grace after it all went down.

Do you think it's like just hearing you talk

and watching all these women and all these different shows when you're working with these women is it almost a little like because they they say some right real direct and and they're professionals they're out there and they're slinging grenades is it almost kind of like confusing to how how you're supposed to engage with them it is much in a way does that make sense it does feel like i flew a little too close to the center a little bit you know like it's all fun and games when you're you're separated by a television screen but like um it is like it is a little bit like jarring and like i said like they were all like super fun while we were filming with me and so like i don't have any like direct beef with any of them but like it is it is just like yeah it it honestly like i couldn't when i got home i i i didn't really watch bravo for a second because i i needed like a minute because it did like it just like re sort of color contextualizes a lot of what you're seeing and suddenly it's like oh yeah, it is funny when Ramona shits on the ground but then suddenly you're thinking about the PA that had cleaned that shit up and it just changes. I have now since memory hold my way back into loving everything I'm seeing on Bravo so it wasn't it wasn't that that traumatic that's awesome joel this has been so much fun yeah thank you for coming uh can we come back yeah absolutely love that uh love hotel premieres april 27th uh we will be watching at checking out do so as well uh thank you again man anything else you want to promote where people can follow you? I have a podcast called Bad Dates that comes out every week.

I actually... out do so as well uh thank you again man anything else you want to promote where people can follow i have a podcast called bad dates uh that comes out uh every week i actually truly don't know what day it comes out um and uh loot season three will be premiering later this year as well which i would love catch up on great show our friend nick lehman writes for it yes love nick love nick um and in fact like much of my character is based around Nick.
So yeah, it's great. And this season is so funny.
And it's just a joy to work on. So I'm really excited for people to see that.
And check out my Instagram for tour dates here and there. I hate Joel Kim.
Amazing. Well, thank you for coming, Joel.
You've been such a pleasure. Thanks.
Thank you for having me. You just come back.
Yeah. We love Joel.
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Learn more at ov.coop and taste the difference. Joel, what a lovely human.
I'm glad we were able to work out your differences. I didn't feel like, you know, as he pointed out, I said I was very hard on him, harsh even.
He had some harsh things to say about Shannon and I feel like we needed to like beat a dead horse. He seems like he regrets saying it, clearly.
I want to hang out with him. Me too.
I wanted to ask him about if he thought Portia was shading Shamia when she was like, I thought it was Drew. That's Drew singing, right? I thought it was Drew.
Which there was no way, Sierra, that she was not being shady. 100%.
You know what your best friend sounds like. Yeah.
Well, I'm excited to watch Love Hotel. Me too.
Me. And it's like, you know, I think they've squashed the beef, but it doesn't seem like Shannon and...
It's clear that Shannon and Joe will not. I mean, would you? Well, if Shannon, sure, I wouldn't.
But it does seem like Joe. I don't know what happened, but I think he very much regrets saying what he said, but it sounds like he does have his reasons, you know? Maybe.
I'm curious what those reasons are. If this is anything like Ultimate Girl Trip, I'm so excited.
Same. Well, up next, we have Grant and juliana to talk about where they are at in their love journeys as their fire still burn as strong as ever uh have the comments of latia from afr brought trouble to paradise we will find out next all right well welcome juliana and grant why are is there trouble in paradise already you guys aren't't calling from the same spot.
Do we need to talk about it? No, we're done. Yeah, I'm going out there on Wednesday to book my flight for Wednesday.
So we've got a whole itinerary plan of travel. Okay.
Well, first, we just want to start by saying congrats to you both on a happy ending. And by happy ending, I mean an engagement.
Very happy for you both. What has it been like? I mean, obviously, you know, so wait, AFR was a week ago.
It's like your first week in civilization. It's a weird feeling.
I know. What has it been like this past week? It's been interesting.
You know, I finally changed his name at my phone the other day. I forgot about that was his fake name back on instagram what was his fake it was w pod wolf hack or die and then i was a wolf emoji in his so we were low-key not really creative but it worked for it worked for you guys juliana obviously as as the winner of the season you're in a very difficult position.
I think a lot of people often maybe take for granted or don't even just fully appreciate because they think winner. So you won the show.
You're in love. But the winner is often kind of alienated from the rest of the group sometimes because they don't know how to engage with the winner.
And every other woman or man from their respective season can relate to being broken up with by the lead except for the winner. There's a competition element to it.
So what has this been experienced like for you watching it back? Obviously, it's never easy in your position, but it seemed like you understand what some of the things I'm saying. What are some of the challenges? What's it been like in your shoes? It's been interesting.
I think when we finished filming and we kind of came back to regular day life, it took me a minute to start engaging with the girls again. And I had expressed to a couple of them that right there was my biggest fear.
It's because of the end circumstance that like my relationships with them were going to be not as great as I had hoped for. You know, I was reassured in the moment that it would be fine and that the girls were fine compartmentalizing relationships.
But I think, you know, after AFR and kind of just some things that have come up from that, I've seen like the reality of it. Right.
And it definitely hurt my feelings at first and didn't quite understand it. But it was a quick bounce back just because, you know, I hate to say, like, I didn't come in there to make friends, but I was excited about the friends that I had.
But at the end of the day, the day i have you know i had 30 plus people fly out from the east coast to the west coast just to celebrate me and i'm good i'm chilling and i love ally joe so me and her like bff ally joe why why did we bring that did ally joe say something no i just i walk away with her like you know she's definitely going to be a lifelong friend or are there any other comments out there in particular that hurt your feelings? No, I don't think it was really comments. I think it was just kind of like actions and just, I think the avoidance of it all.
You know, I wasn't, I wasn't super reached out to by a lot of the girls that I maybe thought I would have been reached out to by. I think when the AFR came and I had reached out to the few girls from my season that were gonna come to the actual live filming of it i was told that you know uh they were coming in support of latia and that was kind of to me i was like oh shit like i didn't know sides were being taken like that you know i tried to phrase it in a way that was like the more the merrier um so was it implied i kind of learned the reality yeah what so it when when they said that to you it almost felt like it was implied not only were they were there to support latia but they necessarily they weren't necessarily there to support you and grant totally yeah and and my stance right now is like you are either like if you're pro or for me like you're for grant there's not like you can be for me and not support him we're two for one at this point and i draw the line right there yeah you know grant you're obviously i i've we've we've met you a few times you've had you on before you know how i thought of you as the bachelor i thought you were an excellent bachelor incredibly empathetic i think you should be very proud of yourself for how you handled it.
AFR, you know, obviously we anticipated the finale. We knew, you know, even from episode one that, quote unquote, you had such a hard time picking the finale, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
As someone, I mean, no one knows what it's like to be in Latia's shoes more than me. I was in it literally twice.
So, like, I empathize where she's at. I know what it's like.
At the same time, you know, me, being in her position, I remember being like, but you said this and what the fuck was that? And I can't believe this happened. And you really feel like you are justified to be not only angry, but have basically Bachelor Nation have your back because you really feel kind of screwed over.
At the same time, this is the show, you know? And I remember once I became The Bachelor, having a lot more empathy for the ladies whose season I was on, you know, and realizing the position they were in. And, you know, when it's just your journey, and everyone has their journey on this show, Latia, Juliana, you had a journey, obviously.
Your feelings feel that much more validated and important than anyone else's. That all being said, Grant, as you reflected back on AFR and what Latia said or implied, more importantly, was there anything in particular or specifically that you might have said to her on or off camera, and I think maybe more off camera, that you maybe wish you would have taken back or thought, yeah, maybe I was the bachelor and yeah, I was doing my job, but yeah, I guess I see I could have done without that or this or yada, yada, yada.
Or do you feel like it was like you really did your best? Obviously, there's other people in your head telling you what to say or suggesting you should do this or do that. And no real regrets.
Listen, I express regret and AFR 100%. And I don't take back anything I said, because in my perspective, I made sure that I didn't make any promises.
I didn't make any promises to Julian on and I understand how certain things could be misconstrued or maybe looked at with hope and maybe that saying, I love you. And, um, but I did, I did.
And I went there with an open heart. I mean, I feel for Latia 1000%.
I just, I would be careful. I'll be more careful with how I was moving with my feelings and not jumping so fast.
Uh, but you know, like I said, previously, I had been in a seven-year relationship. I didn't single for a while.
So I was ready to fall in love. And I went in there super open to fall in love.
And I went in there super trusting of everything around me and kind of giddy and happy. And I allowed for external circumstances that I thought had my best interest to kind of lead me, lead me in direction where in normal life, I wouldn't, I wouldn't normally handle things that way, you know, at a certain point.
But also I was, I was taken by surprise on a couple of things. And by that time it was already too late to, to retract.
I, and I was under the mindset that is, this is somebody I'm in love with. I'm going to, I'm going to ride or die with them.
And I'm going to try to make things work. I was in love with two people though.
And just one person was my person more. And that's just the way that the cookie crumbled.
That's the way that things happened. So I feel for Latia.
I hope that she does great moving forward. I really do.
Well, I do feel like you handled yourself as well as you could, almost to the point where it felt like Latia was almost a little frustrated how well you handled it. Because there was that point at AFR where she kind of just, you were like, hey, I'm just like, really, I got to own this.
I'm really sorry for the things I said that hurt your feelings. And it was like kind of a perfect apology where she kind of wanted to keep going.
She kind of repeated her gripe against you, but she really had nothing more to say, you know? And in that moment, I kind of, in that moment I felt for her as like someone who's also been a runner up. I was just more like, yeah, I felt like I could put myself in Latia's shoes and say, you're obviously very hurt by this.
You felt very wrong by this. And I totally get why you feel wronged.
But as time moves on, you didn't, to me, it felt clear that you really didn't do anything outside of any other lead or bachelor that was, you know, it was just more like, yeah, she felt let on, you know, of course she felt let on. That's kind of the position the runner up is always in as they feel like it's, it sucks, but like you did the the best you could.
I honestly felt like you acquitted yourself pretty darn well, Grant. Yeah.
And at that point in AFR, I'm in no position to argue. At the end of the day, our time was coming with Julianna and I.
And that was her time. And that was her moment to express how she felt.
And for me to sit there and argue with her, it just wouldn't be the right thing to do. So regardless of how the public perceived me, I just had to own whatever she felt and whatever she said, I had to own it.
And I'm not going to sit there and argue on stage. She's the one that I've broken up with.
And I didn't mean to hurt her truly. And that's what I felt.
And I allowed her to speak her piece. And I kind of just apologized because what was coming next was my fiance coming out.
And that's what I really was looking forward to. How have you guys as a couple stayed connected throughout the airing of the season? I mean, it's one thing to film.
It's a whole nother experience to be an engaged couple. And then they take away the the ring you get to see each other here and there then you're watching a whole season back juliana did you watch it back did you watch other dates like how did you go about dealing with this very weird experience of watching this journey unfold on tv yeah i mean you know i think the at the forefront of my mind is the fact that this is The Bachelor, right? Like he's going to have relationships with other people.
He's going to try and pursue other women. Not like we're out in the real world.
We're watching this back. It's like shocking, you know, so even throughout the process, I carried myself in the way that like I was comfortable asking girls how their dates were and hearing, you know, how they felt about him.
I kind of protected my heart in the sense where I never let the fact that other women are involved out of my mind. But I did my very best to just like let some walls down.
And so watching it back, it was, you know, there was like a couple moments where, you know, Grant and I were watching together and I kind of like shot him an evil eye for a minute for saying certain things. And I'm like, oh, wow, that was like, that was weird, you know, but at the end of the day, like it is what it is.
And we finished filming, waited a couple of months, talked through things, then like watched it back. It wasn't like anything was surprising to me, honestly.
So you still haven't watched finale? No, I've definitely watched it. Yeah.
It was just that night. I knew emotions were going to be high.

I knew that it's kind of a quick turnaround from when he has his conversation with her to when I

come out. And I didn't want my head to be in a headspace that felt frustrated with the reality

of what was said, because

obviously things that Grant and I have talked through, and I know that I can get a little

defensive, you know, for him. And I didn't want to come out there with anything other than like

excitement for my moment. So I just was like, I'll be in my dressing room,

call me when you need me, and then I'll have my moment. And then I'll go home and watch it

in my own time. I did see you say in an interview that if he like kisses me when I walk in, I know

Thank you. Call me when you need me.
And then I'll have my moment. And then I'll go home and watch it in my own time.
I did see you say in an interview that if he kisses me when I walk in, I know it's me. And then obviously watching Finale back, he did that as well with Latia.
How did the two of you work through that? I was like, what the hell? That was definitely like, if I had one note, next time, Grant, if you break up with someone,'t hopefully you never have to again one kiss oh my god two kisses oh god oh yeah it's a it's like so embarrassing but you know it's it was shitty it was funny like i just say like for contestants like don't don't think that that means anything because it just clearly doesn't. Sorry, I was wrong.
A lot of shit for it, by the way. Yeah.
You know, Grant, it's, you're in a position to fail, Grant. You know, that's just kind of how it is.
That's what you signed up for. Yeah, not, not in every day.
I didn't, I didn't realize the fine line of what what being a bachelor was and definitely was definitely in a position where you're it's very easy to be villainized because you're dating multiple people which is something that i've never done and it's something that i would never will do you know like i said i was in a seven-year relationship and then you know i didn't have much experience dating and kind of went in there with my heart, with my heart on the line. So yeah, just wouldn't recommend it, you know? What have you guys done as a couple that have been kind of fun or like, have you had any, you know, special moments that you've been able to share with each other? We talk like pretty much every day, multiple times a day.
I know that he's kind of connected with my dad a lot, which has, you know, meant a lot to me. We've had a couple of happy couples, like trips.
I really did not enjoy them all that much because it just felt like PTSD from being like isolated, like, take my phone away, can't leave the house, can't open like the blinds. Like I was just like, I don't like this.
And this is it was such an unconventional way to like have after show get to know each other time but he really did make make them fun you know we he cooked it up for me all the time we watched some movies i got him into reality tv um we did a little valentine's that like date it was cute we made the most of it what'd you get him into uh well we started temptation island and it was just so funny because he's sitting there like oh this guy like i don't like this guy you know and he's like making judgments and i'm like see buddy yeah temptation islands he's like you grant's probably like well i didn't have a threesome when there's a guy named grant on there i'm like fuck grant like i'm like oh no but i understand now like looking at but before this i wasn't a reality i never even watched reality tv so coming in here like i said my mom signed me up so i was in for a shock and then now you know me and jules will watch show and looking back, I understand why people come in there with like, it's very easy to be like, to pick sides or to make judgments because your whole persona is out there on TV and people only seen a fraction of you. So I get it.
You know, a hundred percent. Juliana, have you spoken with Latia at all recently? No.
Okay. Have you seen Carolina's diss track? My friend

sent it to me and I had to shut it off

after like five seconds. Did her

ex-DJ

boyfriend help her make

that? I couldn't help

but wonder.

Maybe. Maybe she's

back into the DJs. We wish her well.

One thing about Jules and I, people take low shots. we don't really feed into that you know like that's too bad yeah how are we gonna kill them we just gonna win in life grant what happened to your music that you put up and then now it's gone all of a sudden because i i like it no a lot of people a lot of people do i just feel like um at this point in time what's best is just focus on a relationship, you know, focus on us, focus on us building and growing.
And yeah, that's the main concern. And, you know, obviously I, me being in the position I'm in and some of the, some of the way things happened, weren't always the best for coming off the show for our relationship.
So we want to just have a fresh light and paint a fresh picture. And that's just us at the center and everything else.
Whatever comes later, comes later. But right now, we are focused on us.
We're focused on love and we're focused on building a light. So we do love party girls.
I love that party girls. Great.
If I may be able to offer unsolicited advice, because I know you didn't ask for it, is that listen, your relationship's going to work out because you guys choose to work it out or not you know it's like whatever you guys however you guys prioritize your relationship uh despite what fans say or other people or your peers or whatever is this like do you you this is an amazing opportunity that you're in right now take advantage of the opportunity let the haters hate let people like say whatever you know because that has nothing to do with your guys's relationship and like everything specifically you grant everything you try people are going to pick apart they're just they're just going to so fuck them and that's just this is how it is this is how it is you know i respect that i respect that nick and trust me i i trade the markets for a living when i started everybody told me i couldn't do it. Some of my own family told me I couldn't do it.
And I just put my nose to the ground. And I've been able to now provide a life for everybody around me.
And yeah, I always, I don't listen to people, but it's just, yeah, we take things one step at a time and our relationship is number one. So that's just the message that I want to get across.
Um, is it true that I heard that you're going to be moving Grant? Yeah, of course. Yeah.
I want, I know Jules is really, really close to her family out there in Boston and first and foremost, I want her to be happy and my dad's out there too. So, you know, I'm going to go ahead and, um, move out there.
I'm going out there on Wednesday just to, just to hang out, but yeah, plans to, to move and be closer with her and just be back on the East coast. That's my roots, you know? Yeah.
East coast, East coast. Maybe this is a better question for Juliana.
I want, I think I don't want to put Grant in this position, but Juliana, anyone from your season that you were on that you think might do well to find love on, on bachelor in paradise? Yeah. I think there's a, there's a bunch of girls.
I think obviously Allie Jo is just like a fun, lively spirit and she's gorgeous. I think Parisa is really looking forward to trying to find her person.
So I think that's a great opportunity to have it so isolated. I think Serafina would crush it.
And yeah, I think that that's it really okay love the tension juliana what'd you say said i love the tension no it's not tension it's just honestly like i'm just i'm honest you can't you can't i'm not gonna I love it, Liz. I love it.
Whose behavior have you been the most shocked by post-season?

Post-season? Honestly, like, I'm just, I'm honest. You can't, you can't.
I love it, Liz. Whose behavior have you been the most shocked by post season, post airing? You know, I think it's, it's maybe not shocked.
I think just my feelings were the most hurt by Lithia. Yeah.
You know, I, I don't think that that was expected in any capacity. I think we've talked, you know, between filming and even when this whole show was airing, I did my best to check in with her.
I thought there was a good relationship, but it seems like actions, you know, up until or since AFR moving forward have not been the kindest. And that took me by surprise and my feelings were hurt by it for sure.
Yeah. I'm getting the sense from you that what you're surprised by is, it almost feels like, and correct me if I'm wrong, that whatever Latia has been saying or doing with some of the other girls from the cast, it feels like maybe she is kind of, I don't know, does it feel a little mean girlish almost in a way where like some of the

other girls are, I don't know, feel like they have to have her back and can't be friends with you. And there seems to be like talk going on behind the scenes, so to speak.
Is that, that's the sense I'm getting from you. Is that, does that feel accurate? Definitely.
Um, you know, I think the first like stab that I felt was when she, you know, brought my name in the breakup you know I think that that was uncalled for um and then to continue to make kind of those jabs on stage saying you know she is glad that you know this isn't a part of her love story and that she deserves a man that's you know not so confused up until the last second when Grant and I know the reality of it. And that was strictly a jab at me.
You know, I think that those things took me back. And then to see, you know, that I want her to be supported.
I'm not saying by any means like that. I don't want her to feel like she has a girl gang behind her, like lifting her up, because I can't imagine what it's like to get all the way up to that point and maybe have you know your heart and your ego bruise um but I think at the end of the day like I had relations with a lot of the girls and and no point were they making dig that him you know or our relationship where now it's like maybe that's a platform that's being used for whatever purpose it is but it's's hurtful.
And it's not anything that I want to surround myself with at any point in my life. It makes a lot of sense.
It's a weird time you're going through right now, both of you. I say this to every Bachelor contestant, because right now I don't think people know, it's such a high school environment, the show in general.
Obviously, you guys know that being in the house and even post-show. Listen, the reality is, I'm sure you felt it, whether they went home night one or they were the runner-up, everyone's trying to make the most of this experience.
They just are. Whether they're putting out a diss track or not, they're all trying to make the most of it, right? And then now that they're trying to make the most of it, you know, they're trying to fit whose coattails can they ride? Right.
They can't ride. You guys are in love, you know, and like Latia needs like a group, so to speak.
And I always say like, you don't really know who your friends are from this show until a year later. Right.
Because right now all these friendships are based off of mutually beneficial moments like Who's interests best align with mine? And that's how people are making and deciding to be friends. The dust will settle.
People will go out. They'll go to their influencer trips.
They'll be invited to all these things. You'll figure out who you're friends with and who you're not friends with.
There'll be fallouts and things like that. And if you're still friends with someone a year after filming, then you know it's real.
Before that, it's all for show. It's all bullshit.
It's all fake. And they don't even realize it.
They don't even realize who the real friends are because they're so all consumed by making the most of this experience that they think it's all sincere and genuine. I only know that because I was a part of it.
I know, I realized that I made the same mistakes and same choices. My judgment was also clouded in very similar ways.
So try not to take it personally. They literally, I don't think, realize what they're doing.
Yeah, that's fair. I appreciate that advice.
There's also like really awkward situations where people that you've never met or never really talked to are like you know trying to say certain things about you or you know making certain videos and just like we're the type of don't really entertain that you know if you got a problem with me or jewel you know you say it to our face you don't make it you know you don't make videos about it or take subtle that's not the reality of it they like he's saying you know they want to they want it because it because they come out the woodwork. They just want to use your name, man.
Right. Like everyone, Grant, everyone's going to be like, yeah, I ran into him at a bar and he did this to me or he did that.
He didn't hold the door for me. I remember a few of those came after Nick, you know, he slammed the door in my face.
You know, this was a huge experience for them. It went, however it went, you know, And they're going to try to squeeze every juice out of that lemon.
And you're the person they're going to try to squeeze the most. Until you know something, this is going to pass for us.
And we're going to... I went in there knowing this.
And I didn't go in there looking for any type of clout or anything. I went in I went in there trying to find my person.
Yes. You know, we have interests and hobbies, but that's just expression.
And this fades. And we're going to be on a beach somewhere, having some mimosas with our family and not worrying about guys making TikToks or, you know, people talking.
It's just that's just what it is so well also you guys have the benefit of

like uh coming together through this right like nothing makes a relationship stronger than feeling like you know you guys have to have each other's backs you do in general but like this is a it's a little extra motivation you know so definitely i mean and i'm feeling just feel like grant's been getting like shit left and right all season and you know he's been like going through it and I'm like it's okay

like we can do this

like don't listen to them you know and and then on the flip side after afr i was like shit like i'm going through it like what do we do and he's like i got you don't worry it's always worse online especially when it's about you because whether you even if you're not looking for you have family members and friends sending you shit you don't want to see but I can tell you as someone who has like a more like obviously distant perspective of this story who's like not personally involved Grant I don't think anyone really cares about the breakup you know and I don't I think everyone is kind of happy for you guys no one's really talking about AFR you know what I I'm saying? Like I really think more people are, I think more people are talking about, come on now than anything other. Listen, I catch myself saying it sometimes too.
I get it. Yeah, man, just enjoy the experience.
Anything you guys want to leave us with before we let you go? I don't think so. No, I think I'm good.
I think I'm good. I just want to say peace and love to you guys.
And, you know, I've been on your platform a couple of times. You guys do a great job.
And, yeah, just, you know, continue doing what you're doing. And, yeah, I really appreciate you having us.
And, yeah, I hope to see you guys again one day. You're one of the great ones, Grant.
I really respect the hell out of you. You're a really great guy, man.
And that's more important than being a great bachelor, which I also thought that you were. But I hope that you had a good experience.
I think you should be really proud of how you handled yourself. That's just my opinion for whatever it's worth.
And I'm really excited for the both of you. You seem really happy and wishing you both nothing but the best going forward.
Appreciate that, Nick. Thanks, guys.
Take care. Bye, y'all.
All right. Bye-bye.
Bye. Listen, it's got to be hard like she i totally get where she's coming from like of like yeah why people don't want to be my friend right now like right you know it's like they feel like they have to choose sides and they're choosing and this seems more than more than usual it usually doesn't happen this way.
It doesn't always happen where

there's a bit of a rift between

the final ladies.

It's tough. I hope they figure it out.
I hope

they can work through that.

I feel

for Juliana being like, the only person

she has is Grant, who is her fiancé,

and at the end of the day, that is the only person

she needs. But it is tough

to see all these women who you thought you had

friendships with and you were excited to get on

the outside and go on trips

Thank you. You know, that's tough.
It really is tough. And it's just my critique of Latia's performance was that she kind of suggested she was going to bring some receipts.
And then she really didn't. And receipts aren't your...
Feelings? Well, your receipts aren't your story. Receipts are receipts.
Like your story is usually backed up by receipts. And she just brought her version of events, which more than entitled to do.
You expected her to like print out a PDF and like read out screenshots? No, it was... It kind of...
Listen, is she, she seemed to come for him and his character, the person, rather than saying that really hurt me. I know you're a good person, especially after time had passed, she came into AFR kind of wanting to put a dent in his, in his brand or his, his likability or.
Well, I can see how she might not think he's a good person after feeling like she was let on and she you know like how she said where he was like you know my character and she was like honestly i don't know if i do i mean sure but again i just uh this is she's a part of a show that is it's a choice all i'm saying it's a choice for her to i have all this time passed right to maybe get a little insight in the show aspect of what happened. Let the dust settle and then still kind of come for his throat.
And not only that, according to Juliana, seemed to have some of their peers have to take a side rather than being like, hey, listen, I get you're upset. Well, you don't know if that's directly from Latia or if that's them feeling like they want to choose a side and the side that they're going to choose is Latia.
But Latia, all I'm saying is Latia did. She was she was coming for Grant at AFR.
It wasn't there. It's usually how it goes, though.
We've seen different versions. We have seen more gracious, more like and listen, I love the drama.
I love that. Like, hey, it was good TV.
I was hoping for it. But like she wanted the sympathy and she wanted to leave a mark.
She did. She wanted to leave a mark.
And I, it's more like other than feeling let on, what did he do that justifies the last impression you want us to have of Grant being a bad one? I'd imagine she feels lied to. Sure.
But there's her feelings. And then again, there's a TV aspect of the show where she is entitled

to whatever she wants, but if

she kind of... It was a

choice she made, and Julianna

feels a certain way. So you're pulling this, she knows what she signed up for card?

Not entirely, but I do think

that as time passed,

she could

have been a little more gracious.

Maybe. You don't think so? I mean, I think she is entitled to say, hey, you said these four things to me that really had me thinking I was the one, and then clearly none of that was true.
So why say those things to me? Because it really put me- I totally get all that. I think I'm more, it's some of the other, I think she went a step further than just say, hey, that really hurt my feelings.
I felt let on. I wish that didn't happen.
And what do you have to say? And then Grant came out and was like, hey, I have to own that. I'm really sorry.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then she still came for him again.
And I think she wanted to leave a mark, literally i think she wanted bachelor nation to take her side and think less of grant and that is a choice she just told grant and juliana that you feel for latia in that moment and you like have the sympathy as to why i know reiterated herself well i can completely empathize with how she felt why she felt the way she felt, and her justification for it. But you don't think she should have done it? As time passes, she will realize that her intentions were more malicious than she realizes.
Maybe. That's what I think.
I could be wrong, but I think it was less about him and more about her. That's what i know is my winner one and i'm happy team jewels i i is there going to be more fallout from this because it really seems like there are some bad feelings i don't know it seems like they're unbothered by it which i love and i started following juliana and i can't wait to see photos from their trips and hopefully they don't get pay any mind to anybody talking shit about their relationship because what do

they know?

Come on now.

I'm giggling after you brought that back up.

She literally like people have resurfaced

that video. Well not resurfaced but reposted

it so many times because she switches the level

and like the tone of her voice.

She went from kindergarten

teacher to

so fast.

It's when he's like about to

he was saying like he was like

Thank you. She went from kindergarten teacher to...
So fast. I forgot.

It's when he's like about to... He was saying like,

he was like,

I hope you don't think differently.

And she was like,

oh, come on now.

Yeah, like it literally went from like,

oh my God,

I'm so happy to be here.

Come on.

She was code switching.

She was like being sweet.

And then she was like,

what's this BS?

Have you guys ever seen that snl sketch

it's like old sherry o terry and her whole thing is just saying simmer down now simmer down now

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