E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup

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Speaker 1 What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I am your host, Nick, and I have a small bone to pick with the movie Beauty and the Beast.

Speaker 1 Oh, my goodness. We watched it last night with River.
We decided to cull up in bed. It's fun.
It was cute. It was great.
I haven't seen it in a long time. Good movie.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But in the beginning of the movie, the story is like the young prince was like kind of a prick, and then the witch came, turned him into a beast yada yada yada and then they're like then there's this flower that wilts away and then on his 21st birthday like he has to fall in love or he's a beast forever yeah and then they're like as the years have gone by and i'm like wait are you telling me like how old was this prince when he answered the door by himself and a witch showed up like where where is his parents no mention he this what how many years went by you know what i'm saying like they made it seem like his 21st birthday?

Speaker 3 Yeah. That's not wrong.
I looked up a guide to the plot holes in Beauty and the Beast, and the first one is 10 years we've been rusting. Dot, dot, dot.
How old was this prince?

Speaker 4 11.

Speaker 1 He was a witch.

Speaker 1 He was just a boy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 The witch turned him into a beast just because he was a spoiled little brat.

Speaker 5 Well, if we want to, like, get into it, Snow White was 14.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 Ariel was 15. Yeah.
Disney do better.

Speaker 1 I mean, I'm not like, fine, I get it. They're teenage.
I'm just saying, why is this prince alone in a castle by himself with a bunch of servants?

Speaker 5 Do they specify how many years go by?

Speaker 1 They just said as the years gone by, like implying 30.

Speaker 1 You know, like.

Speaker 4 Maybe he ages differently in beast years.

Speaker 3 Well, so Lumiere and B.R. Gus says for 10 years we've been rusting.

Speaker 1 10 years? Oh, so 10 years. So he was

Speaker 1 11. 10.
No.

Speaker 1 10.

Speaker 1 Because he's not 21 yet. He's not 21 yet.
Oh.

Speaker 4 Well, in Game of Thrones, that little boy prince sucked.

Speaker 1 And he was, what, like 13, maybe 12? So he was a prime time period. Fine.

Speaker 5 Yeah, ages were different.

Speaker 4 You know, this is the past.

Speaker 1 It's just like, where is the king and queen?

Speaker 1 He did turn into a beast for 10 years.

Speaker 4 And they didn't care.

Speaker 1 I'm like, think about just like growing pains, you know, and I snapped at you and I don't know why. Maybe we couldn't add that.
Maybe he ate them. I don't know.

Speaker 1 Disney has tragic family or parents dying stories in every movie.

Speaker 1 as as as uh river gets older and we go back and re-watch some movies um you know i'm paying attention disney anyone remember the movie spirit with that the saddest one ever to exist with the horses that movie is so sad horse movies are so sad first of all nick was like i've never heard of that movie second of all i can't find it anywhere i have it on dvd black you want to you want a horse movie and cry black stallion i also have it on dvd but it's not on any stream and like when was it made i thought it was made in the 90s 2002 it was 2002 and it's also on on Peacock.

Speaker 1 It's Dreamworks, I think, right? It's on Peacock. That's what it's going to go, babe.

Speaker 1 Do you really want to revisit that and cry? I think, no. I think Nick's dad, like, showed me a clip of it.

Speaker 6 I'm like, that's not it.

Speaker 1 That looks way too, like, animated. They did remake it, though, recently.

Speaker 3 So there's two versions of it now.

Speaker 1 Hmm.

Speaker 4 A remade spirit.

Speaker 1 We need an animation remake. No, it's like a real horse.
Is it real horror? What?

Speaker 3 Well,

Speaker 3 that one's hot too.

Speaker 1 Didn't Natalie, before you turn on Beauty and the Beast, turned on the Lion King 2? And then she turned it on. I was like, wow, this is low low budge.
They really mailed this one in.

Speaker 1 Not too much on the Lion. I don't think we need to do sequels for animated movie.

Speaker 4 Well, direct-to-video, direct-to-home video sequels raised children. Yeah, to be fair.

Speaker 1 At least me.

Speaker 4 Lion King 1 and a half, you get Timon and Pumba just like goofing off. And then Lion King 2, you get Scar's hot child.

Speaker 1 Wait, Scar. We didn't get there far.
We didn't get there. Yeah,

Speaker 4 that's the whole thing of Lion King 2. Or like a nephew.
I haven't seen it since I was young. But it's like Simba.
It's like Simba's.

Speaker 1 My daughter won't be allowed to watch Simon. And then like Scars Kid.

Speaker 4 And Scars Kid is like Emo.

Speaker 1 Well, don't grew up on live action because those aren't much better. Rob Minkoff had nothing to do with Lion King 2.

Speaker 1 He would not make such low-quality pro. I hope that's true.
Can we make sure he's not in the credits?

Speaker 6 I was going to say

Speaker 1 everything that has to do with standby.

Speaker 4 It's a good movie.

Speaker 1 You grew up in the Lion King too.

Speaker 4 I had it on DVD for some reason. Like, obviously, Lion King was the preferred.
Sure. But sometimes you watch Lion King enough and you're like, ah.

Speaker 1 Just like the opening sequence. It's like, these are not the same quality animals.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I also like the Santa Claus 2 more than the first Santa Claus. Oh,

Speaker 1 yeah. The second one's better.

Speaker 1 That was pretty good.

Speaker 4 You get Toy Sony, you get Molly Shannon.

Speaker 1 Spival Goes West better than American Tale.

Speaker 4 Period.

Speaker 1 I don't know. He was the video game co-director on the Lion King 2 Simba's Pride.
So something tells me he has a hand in Lion King 2. It is Simba's Pride.
He didn't direct it.

Speaker 1 He didn't direct it. No.
But

Speaker 1 he was associated.

Speaker 3 He was at the Mufasa premiere.

Speaker 1 i only saw this first three minutes maybe maybe it gets better now now that i'm getting everyone mad at me uh a lot of people are also mad at me uh after having joel kimbuster on in particular can't we all just move on and get along if i'm shannon i

Speaker 1 mean i think shannon will disappoint oh i listen i i wasn't taking back

Speaker 1 shannon

Speaker 1 i just didn't feel the need to like crucify the guy he said he was sorry it was more so just like you were so we all were so harsh on him i was really i said something really harsh

Speaker 1 and then whenever he's sitting in front of you it was just very like he he ha ha you're my best you were all good not a lot of like

Speaker 1 like we are all good sure personally but like to the audience it seems very you could have been like listen man like still don't agree with your choice of words and the things that i didn't agree he said he was like wrong for doing that am i supposed to put him on trial after that and he was was a fun guest.

Speaker 1 He was. I love Joel.
I just don't see the need to, you know, it's just like, well, I'm sorry. Well, just so you know.

Speaker 1 You know, like, sometimes when people are like, I don't want to like Lati it, you know, where it was like, Grant's like, my bad.

Speaker 1 And then she's just like, just so you know, I'm going to, you know, it's just like, what do you want me to like? It's not my,

Speaker 1 not my fight, you know, like, I still agree. It was really harsh and really inappropriate for him to say he said as much.
What am I? I don't like, what am I supposed to ban him from the show forever?

Speaker 3 I think you handled it well out of respect for Joel being in person, but I could see why Shannon might be like, Wait, didn't he just have my back and now I still have a song?

Speaker 1 He's flip-flopping when he's in front of me. I'm not, I'm not,

Speaker 1 I'm not agreeing with Joe's choices of words against Shannon. But like, he says he was sorry.
I was like, Shannon's my queen, but like I will say, I very much enjoyed Joel.

Speaker 4 I believe in giving everyone grace.

Speaker 1 You know, Joel can boost her and Shannon the door. Are we like, let's, we've all said things in the heat of the moment.
Has Shannon not said things to people and have to apologize?

Speaker 1 Are we like, are we no longer friends with these people? Like, come on.

Speaker 3 I'm curious if she'll say something because he made it sound like they're fully made up, but I've never seen like a.

Speaker 1 Well, he didn't make it seem like they were fully made up, but it was like a, you know, I apologize. We may never be close friends, but like I felt like it was like, you know, we've moved on.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. He taught me a new word in that sentence, reticence.
But he said, I understand her reticence and not accepting it at face value or like maybe thinking that it's not as genuine.

Speaker 1 But he did apologize. Like, I don't know.
Reticence. So, great word.

Speaker 4 It's like Daris saying intimate.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 Shannon, if you're listening,

Speaker 1 Natalie has your back. She, she, she's.

Speaker 1 That's why I was sitting very stoically for a while. And then I said, and what is your relationship like with Shannon today? Because I wanted to hear what he was going to say about my girl Shannon.

Speaker 1 And he was, he was, he was polite. I mean, you know, what are you going to do? Also, Tom Sandoval and Victoria were on going deeper yesterday.
If you haven't listened, you should check it out.

Speaker 1 What did you? Nally was not here, and it wasn't because of the last interview. I felt like

Speaker 1 I'm happy for him. I feel like people,

Speaker 1 time to move on. He seems to be doing some work.
I'm not saying he's like this completely changed man, but I will say, I think you could do far, far worse than having a friend like Tom. I do.

Speaker 1 He's definitely not perfect. Not sure I would still want him to date my sister or anything like that, you know, but I don't know.
He's growing. He's got Victoria to keep him in line.

Speaker 1 You know, I'm glad that they're happy. And I think it's a good interview.
I think you guys should check it out if you haven't listened to it already.

Speaker 1 I mean, the man's, you wanted the guy to take accountability. You wanted him to make some meaningful changes in his life, and you can decide for yourself whether he's done that.

Speaker 1 Who else have we pissed off

Speaker 1 this week or this year?

Speaker 5 Well, who do we have on today? Let's see who we could piss off today.

Speaker 1 Well, our guest today, it's a fun episode. We have Giacomo.

Speaker 1 You know him from Gray's Anatomy and Wild Cards. I'm not even a nice.
I'm very nervous to say his last name. I'm very nervous to say his last name.

Speaker 1 How do you say his last name? Giacomo Gianniotti. Giannotti.
Giannotti. Giacomo Giannotti.
You just got to just say it, right? Giacomo Giannotti. Can you say it without an accent?

Speaker 1 No, I don't think I can. Giacomo Giannoti.

Speaker 6 You say it with an accent. You have to.

Speaker 1 It's a double N, yeah.

Speaker 3 Giacomo.

Speaker 1 He's from Russia. I know you're getting the accents right, you know?

Speaker 1 Did his parents just know he was going to be sexy? Probably. Probably.

Speaker 1 You can't take your kid Giacomo without being

Speaker 1 hot. An Italian alliteration.
Yeah. It doesn't get much hotter than that.

Speaker 1 Giacomo Gianniolti.

Speaker 1 Come on.

Speaker 1 For sure. He is with us to talk about season two of Wild Cards.
And also next week, I believe Kyle Richards makes an appearance on Wild Cards. So it'll be fun to talk with him, obviously.

Speaker 1 Reminisce about his time on Grey's Anatomy, which I know many of you. were big, big fans of.
Also, we got Eliza Schlesinger with us as well. I'm sure you've seen a lot of her stand-up.

Speaker 1 She's got a new stand-up out now on Amazon. And we are very excited to talk with her later in the episode.
We watched White Lotus in preparation for the finale, which I guess is like 90 minutes long.

Speaker 1 It is. Like that.
I really like that. Yeah, we need a good long finale.
We need to make sure we're covering all our holes. Natalie thought she had cracked the case.
I thought I had cracked the case.

Speaker 1 And then I'm scrolling on TikTok and it's like one after the other. And I'm reading the comments and everyone's like, I thought of this.
Me and my husband were were saying this.

Speaker 1 I think it's like the most obvious. So that's why I feel like maybe they won't do it, you know, because it is like the most obvious.
But, anyways, give the people the obvious.

Speaker 1 So the obvious finale would be that Sri Tala, the owner of the hotel, is going to send the police back to the White Lotus, the hotel that everyone is at, to get Rick because he pointed the gun at her husband.

Speaker 1 He pushed her husband over. She realizes he's not who he said he was.
She sends the police to the white lotus and

Speaker 1 we have valentin and his like russian friends who did the robbery right we found out they are all like oh my god the police are coming for us we have timothy ratliff the father who is like oh my god they're coming for me for my taxes who keeps fantasizing about killing himself and his entire family correct yes was he going to do that like he went to go get the gun i think he was he was like ready to go you know what these people yeah that's dark he was like they don't they can't live in this world i guess i'll take them out then we have greg who is going to be like, oh my God, Belinda called the police on me.

Speaker 1 And I think Mayhem is going to ensue. And everyone's going to be just like going crazy, shooting.
Guns are everywhere. Guns are flying.
And that. Who do you least want to die?

Speaker 1 Who do I least want to die? Rick's girlfriend.

Speaker 4 Amy Lou Wood. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, Amy Lou Wood. Yeah.
Yeah. Rick and her.

Speaker 4 I love. I'm a Rick stan.
I'm sorry. I'm a huge Rick stan.

Speaker 4 Walton Goggins.

Speaker 4 I gotta watch Righteous Strategy.

Speaker 1 I'm glad it got closer. You've never seen it? No.

Speaker 1 I watched the first season.

Speaker 4 I know the song from it.

Speaker 1 But yeah, no,

Speaker 1 I'm Team Rick. He's really, he's been on a journey.

Speaker 1 I think he's turned a corner in his life.

Speaker 4 He did get his friend to relapse. That's not great.

Speaker 1 He didn't. He didn't get his friend a relapse.
His friend relapsed. Yeah.
Because he put him in a very stressful situation. He has zero information about what the job was.

Speaker 1 And she's like, oh, what movies have you seen from the team? That was Vegas.

Speaker 1 That was the Vickus setup.

Speaker 1 He goes,

Speaker 1 I felt that. I felt felt that in my bones.
I was like, I too would be like, I'll take a whiskey. What? Yeah.

Speaker 4 Also, the only time Rick has ever felt joy was watching all of this, like, just watching this

Speaker 4 drugs and sex and rock and roll. And you know what? Good for him.
Yeah. Because he's not going to make it out, I don't think.

Speaker 1 I'll be really sad if Rick dies. Yeah.
Also, like the Ratliff younger siblings, the daughter and the son. You know, we don't need them to die.
I don't want Belinda to die.

Speaker 1 I don't want Belinda to die either. Belinda Repeat.
The mom? No, no. No, the misseuse

Speaker 1 onto Gary or Greg or whatever his name is. This is Peter Rothwell.
I don't think she will. I don't want her to.
And her son's there.

Speaker 1 I remember the whole first episode, the son's in the session with the therapist. And then I think it's time for Greg to die.
He's been. I'd be okay.
Yeah, it's been too much.

Speaker 1 If we were going to keep anyone, we could have kept Jennifer Coolidge. Well, the only thing that was really triggering for me, and I hope that our kids aren't like, you know, like

Speaker 1 Patrick Schwarzenegger's character, when he was like, my whole life is like wrapped up in this. Like, I don't know what is in our kids' futures.
I just hope they're resilient.

Speaker 1 And I hope that if their world crumbles around them, they get the fuck back up. They dust themselves up and they just move the fuck on and figure it the fuck out.

Speaker 1 And if that means they have to start over because mom and dad lost everything, so fucking be it. Oh my God.
A lot of F-bombs. I'm just saying.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 Like, we're not going to raise weak people who are just obsessed with. our success.

Speaker 1 It is kind of interesting, like, look into nepotism in a different form, like, because you usually think about it in the entertainment industry, but I'm like seeing it as like a corporate, like, oh, my dad has to be successful because I'm successful.

Speaker 1 If my dad's successful, my dad's not successful, then I'm not. Or, like, I don't know what I'm going to do with my life.
And it's just like, wow. Yeah.
Yeah. Glad I'm not in that situation.

Speaker 4 I'm a succession. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, Beverly Hills Housewife's reunion part one is out.

Speaker 1 What do we think? What do we think?

Speaker 3 Justice for Sutton and Garcel.

Speaker 1 Really?

Speaker 3 Why? I mean, the one thing that I'm like, I'll back off on is I've said it before. I wish wish Garcel didn't bring up the robbery again.
That being said, everything else.

Speaker 1 Listen, I'm glad that Garcelle stood by her opinion. You know, I mean, like, and I, and, and in the same way with Joel Cambooster, uh,

Speaker 1 fired.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 3 As Garcel said, don't put words in my mouth.

Speaker 1 I didn't stand. What did I, I said, some really hard shit about him.
I just felt like it was a little bit more.

Speaker 1 You were just like really quick to apologize and be like, I'm so sorry, we're best friends. I apologize by saying what I said.

Speaker 1 I was like, to be fair, didn't Joel come for you at the beginning and being like, hey, like, you said some mean things about me. I don't know if I want to come.
You had to finesse that too. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, listen, he did his homework and he went, he's like, you know, we had an opportunity to get him on. And then he went back and listened.
And I was like, yeah, sorry. You know, it's,

Speaker 1 I got a little spicy. It's okay.
We don't have to go back. I was just making a joke.
It really wasn't that. It really wasn't that.

Speaker 1 But it is hard to watch Garcell really like hold strong on that when it clearly was very traumatic for Doreet and her family.

Speaker 1 And then to still just like question the like, well, he left your phone and like the alarm system being off.

Speaker 1 It's like all I'm saying is Garcell's not the only person in that group who thinks and says that. And she's just the only one who has the guts to say it out loud.

Speaker 1 And, you know, it's giving a lot of context as to why she left, though. Like, even just seeing this episode of the reunion, I'm like, oh, okay.
You really didn't.

Speaker 1 When the episode started, and she's like, hopefully, we can take a cast photo. Knowing

Speaker 1 she's the one who won't take the cast photo.

Speaker 4 Kyle won't even look at her. She's too focused on her crystals.

Speaker 1 Durete being able to say, like, left, leaving Kyle speechless in the, like, you thinking that I was acting this way to keep my job when you are close enough with executive producers to know that I was asked back.

Speaker 1 And you still, like, chose to.

Speaker 1 have that view and Kyle was like, well, no, Kyle said, I said what I said.

Speaker 1 She was like, I said what I said. but she was kind of left a little speechless.

Speaker 1 You took it that way. She was like, This

Speaker 1 I took

Speaker 1 literally left speechless, like, literally, did not say anything until.

Speaker 1 Well, I think when producers and executives of Brauel get brought up, I think they have to tread carefully, or it's like it becomes a kind of a convoluted, complicated issue of like, what can I say and not say?

Speaker 1 Darit obviously brought it up.

Speaker 1 I took her like quietness or, you know, not saying anything back more like, I don't know, like I don't know how to address this I'm just gonna stand by what I said because it's definitely possible that like well Darit made a very good point like that was a great argument for Darit to make

Speaker 1 but maybe she got asked back after producers were had a conversation with Doreet and said we need more from you we need more honesty yada yada then Darit does what she does and you know what I'm saying so like maybe Darit's giving us half of that version and Kyle's just like you know what I said what I said.

Speaker 1 And I'm just going to leave it at that. I don't know.
Even the whole like PK statement and how she doesn't really like, she like, low-key like defended PK or like her relationship with PK.

Speaker 3 But she didn't also. Like, she knows what she's doing when she's like, I, I don't know.
So are you implying that he relapsed? I, I, I'm not going to say, I don't know.

Speaker 3 But the way she says it's like, so you're implying that he relapsed.

Speaker 1 It is tough. It's dangerous.
It is tough to, to, I mean, listen, like. She intimated.
They're going through a divorce. She did intimate.
But the way that statement from PK.

Speaker 3 Dirty as well.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, I have the statement. No, it was.
I kind of like, I agreed with his statement. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Well, him being like, I hope this is not the person I married. I hope she returns back to me.

Speaker 3 Like, it was giving the question I asked the other day where it was like, husbands that blame their marriages, like failing with housewives on the show.

Speaker 3 Like, he was kind of implying that, but she turned it back to me.

Speaker 1 I mean, I do think that's a real

Speaker 1 issue. Yeah.
When you go on a TV show, it can change people. When you go on a TV show, it's all about exposing the intimate details of your life and family and marriage.
It often causes problems.

Speaker 1 I mean, her saying that he is not a good father, knowing her children will see that.

Speaker 1 It's a choice.

Speaker 1 It is a choice. And that is a line.
I'm sorry that like, once you cross it, it's... Can't go back.
You can't go back. And it's just, ooh.
You know, the way people talk about like...

Speaker 1 their spouses, I think matters. I mean, like, there's one thing to give each other shit and be in on the joke, whatever, but to like, behind their back, like, question their character, how they are.

Speaker 1 As parents is, I don't know. That was tough.
It's dirty. It's like, it's hard for me to hear her say that and then say things like, well, he's my soul.
He's my heart. You know, it's like, huh?

Speaker 1 Like, I don't. Yeah.
Like, how can you say that and like still hope to reconcile? You know, it's.

Speaker 4 I don't think she hopes.

Speaker 1 to reconcile she makes it sound like she does though she yeah she that goes back to where it's it's really confusing i swear i said she knows what she's saying where she's like being kind of vague but also saying the obvious and then andy brought up obviously like is it the glam is it this and she even acknowledged that and i don't i don't know what she's spending but like these glam teams are not cheap and if if if every time like dorit's doing an interview or an appearance and she's getting full glam that's thousands of dollars and like if she's doing that on the regular, she could be spending 10, 15, 20 grand a month on clothes and makeup.

Speaker 1 Well, that statement too, at the end of PK's statement about wanting her to go back to the person that she was, it reminds me of the, I think it was her birthday or their anniversary.

Speaker 1 He posted a reel and it was right before they announced their divorce the year before. And he very much used all these old photos of Dorit like before work done and like in their like happier stages.

Speaker 1 And it made a lot of people speculate that there was like trouble in paradise because it's like it looked like he was romanticizing the past of their relationship versus like celebrating who she is today.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's, it's, I mean, you know, this is her job, right? So on one regard, I get like she's like, hey, I mean, like, I have a career. This is my job.
I'm finally doing something.

Speaker 1 I'm providing for our family. Right.
She's probably making more than him at this point. But on, uh, do you think that was touchy for him, though?

Speaker 1 And like, when she, when they were asking about uh, if their relationship changed based off of her fame, like, do you think that that might have had an element of it that he was always the successful businessman in the entertainment industry?

Speaker 1 Maybe. I mean, there could be some ego involved for sure.
It's just, it's just very complicated when your job is what this is and to do what she does.

Speaker 1 And yeah, it's, it's a tough beat with all of a sudden one day, you know, your spouse is prioritizing their TV personality job over you and their family.

Speaker 1 And it's like, yeah, it would feel like that person changed. Yeah.
Like I, I can see his side, even though he wears a tracksuit.

Speaker 3 I do applaud her for being open about like, she even addressed the pre-foreclosure reports that everybody was seeing this whole like past couple of months.

Speaker 1 And she's it's like, I don't pay them if they don't call me back. Well, that's fun.
That's a choice.

Speaker 1 I wonder what his credit is. Bose being like, well, that's how you lose your house.

Speaker 1 Like, gotta pay your bills. They didn't call me back.

Speaker 1 But don't worry. He got it handled.
They did call.

Speaker 3 I think we're going to see a resurgence of the Fox Force next season. And that's like the group of like Dari and whoever she associates with herself.

Speaker 3 Erica usually is a part of it being like the popular girls. Because for them to throw mean girls as a label to Garcelle and Sutton, when they got mad about it season 10 when Denise did it to them.

Speaker 1 I'm like, well, it'll be interesting because right now Bose is like team Darit, but like I have a ton of respect for Bose.

Speaker 1 By my count, she has not been wrong yet.

Speaker 4 I agree.

Speaker 1 Like she's, she's batting a thousand. And I think she just calls it straight up.
I just, every time someone comes at her, she's like, but this, this, and this. And they're like,

Speaker 1 damn. She make, because she always makes sense.
But Bose is not a mean girl. And I just don't think Bose is going to stand.

Speaker 1 If Darit gets a little cocky and, and, I don't know, aligns with some of these other women, I don't think Bose is not a follower. And I don't think she's so.

Speaker 1 If that's the case, I predict a fallout with Bose and

Speaker 1 Darit.

Speaker 1 I loved when Bose was saying to Garcelle or whomever, maybe the whole group, when she was like, if you think that I can be manipulated in my opinion of you, then that shows me that you have a very low opinion of

Speaker 1 sex coach.

Speaker 4 And the way she says it, it's like she doesn't even say it with like hate in her heart.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 4 She's not saying it to be, she's like, Well, I can't be manipulated. And if you feel that way, you feel that way.
It's like very, I'm like, she's incredible.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because when she's like, when people say stuff about me, it doesn't impact me. It doesn't affect me.
I know who I am. Why don't you know who you are?

Speaker 1 And then I did see an interview where Renna and she did do Watch What Happens Live a couple months ago, but I saw an interview with her where they asked her about housewives.

Speaker 1 And she was like, I would love to film with that Bose. I would love to.
And like, obviously, Erica and Kyle, but like all the other women, I don't care about or something.

Speaker 1 But the way that she said it kind of like gave a little hint that I was like, maybe she might be asked back to your Fox 4.

Speaker 3 Fox Force is coming back regardless.

Speaker 1 What did you think? What did you guys think of Erica opting out of giving whatever designer any credit? When she was like, oh, some designer. I had some designer.
I can see both sides.

Speaker 1 I think she asked for it for free and was like, hey, I'd love to wear this to the reunion if you'd like to gift it to me. And they were like, sorry, no, like not possible.

Speaker 1 And then she paid full price for it. And she was like, well, then I'm not going to like shout you out because that's worth a lot of money.
And I'm not doing that. I kind of get it.
It's like, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 When it comes to that type of marketing or branding, in our experience, a lot of people have no problem asking for free marketing without, and it's like they both want it because they think it'll add value to their business, but they don't.

Speaker 1 They don't like to acknowledge how much value that might be.

Speaker 1 And they like, they still want to get paid. And like, it's,

Speaker 1 if, if, if that, if, if Nani's right, I see her side.

Speaker 1 side it's just but because it's like they weren't sitting down like obviously they were recording but it didn't it wasn't like a interview question for erica it was just andy being like oh my god love who is that love are you wearing and she was like yeah some designer i mean i also see like online this is just chatter of people being like well maybe it's just a good look not to mention designers given like lawsuits coming out but she was just like let's not throw a name out there oh yeah could be out of just respect of image so i think like it can be as simple as that.

Speaker 1 You think Erica was looking out for her designer's behalf because she didn't want to attach her name to that.

Speaker 1 No, I'm not sure. I know

Speaker 1 for her behalf in the sense of how much did that dress cost?

Speaker 3 Because the show is cited in the lawsuit, so it's more just like just for protection of everybody and respect of herself, just not to. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Makes sense. Erica telling Garcelle that she wish she was more interesting.

Speaker 3 Justice for Garcelle, like I said.

Speaker 1 That was rough. Interesting, I guess.

Speaker 1 I don't know how I would react if somebody looked me in the eye and said, I just wish you were more interesting.

Speaker 3 I saw a list of someone. like writing out everything that Garcelle has shared about her life this season and like nobody gives her credit.

Speaker 3 Like it's just the fact that she doesn't share it in a toxic drama way because she talked about her son's like sobriety. She talked about her son being bullied and not wanting to be on the side.

Speaker 1 Also, I'm sorry. I'm not, I wasn't married to a criminal and then accused of being, you know, maybe a co-op corroborating with said criminal.
I don't know. An accomplice.
An accomplice. Yeah.
Sorry.

Speaker 1 Coraba waiting. Corroborating.
Co-abo-waiting.

Speaker 4 Sorry I won't be named in the Aaron Brockovich sequel.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, that was a dirty thing for Erica to say.
But it was iconic. I did.
And I thought they were fine. I was like, wait, did something happen?

Speaker 1 That seems like one of Erica's just like little things that she throws out. And then it's like,

Speaker 1 the other person's like, oh, my God. It's like, Jesus.

Speaker 4 She's like, what? I just said I wish you were more interesting.

Speaker 3 Yeah, to that point, Erica's like, I give her respect because she's fast with responses. And then if you don't receive it, she's like, oh, okay.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 just like decide. who hasn't been picked on enough and then just focus their energy on that person.

Speaker 4 That's why it's, I think it's good Garcella's leaving because she's kind of leaving at the height of like people enjoying her and people liking her.

Speaker 4 And before these women tear her to shreds next season,

Speaker 1 like they're going to be ruthless.

Speaker 3 Kyle did have a gotcha when she was like, well, like your son didn't want to be on the show. Why should Morgan be on the show?

Speaker 1 And I was like,

Speaker 3 I'm team Garcel, but I was like, you got a point.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and I, I, I'm with Kyle there. It's just like, it's not.

Speaker 1 If she wants to respect her friend, like, if a friend comes on as a favor or for whatever reason and doesn't like the response

Speaker 1 and asks to not be a part of it, like for the rest of the women to just demand. Especially someone who like has her own career and is like doing things for herself to be like respect her.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I was def I was definitely team Kyle there.

Speaker 4 And then also Garcelle bringing up stuff Kyle said to her and Sutton off camera.

Speaker 1 Well, I think that's valid.

Speaker 3 I think it's I think all of them are using Garcelle as like a pawn off camera and then throwing her under the bus when she says something that we all talked about.

Speaker 3 Because even Bo's being like, yeah, I I talked to Garcelle before we filmed. Like, it's like she's the person everybody's talking to.

Speaker 1 But it's also just like not the gotcha moment that you think it is, where it's like, when people are like, oh, we had this conversation off camera, and it's like, cool, we didn't see it.

Speaker 1 So it's just like, we just have to take your word for it. But that didn't add anything to your argument.

Speaker 3 But then to Nick's point, it's like we watch the show and we want to act like there isn't, like, this isn't a job or that we're having stuff outside the show happen, you know?

Speaker 3 Like, Garcelle's saying stuff that everybody's talking about, and then they're acting like, I never said that. Even signed, like, well, all I said was this.
And she's like, no, you didn't.

Speaker 1 That was wild.

Speaker 1 When Andy in the beginning of the show, like, asked Kyle before like the reunion actually started about like the double standard, did any of you understand Kyle's response? No,

Speaker 1 I was like, huh? What did she? I didn't make it, I don't even know what she said, but I was like, Did you was that a did you hear his question? Sounded like a quote. I was like, I'm not really sure.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it did sound like a quote. Yeah,

Speaker 1 I'll think like something you saw at Bed Bath and Beyond. And I was like, Okay, whatever you say, Kyle, I'll see you in your crystals.

Speaker 4 There's something about, I do, I kind of have a soft spot for Kyle.

Speaker 4 I do not agree with like the way she has handled specifically the Dur Eat situation, but I think like she's obviously like going through a lot in her life right now.

Speaker 4 And I think some of them are like really intentional about the way they're trying to like

Speaker 1 get her to break. Yeah.

Speaker 4 And I don't know. And I, and I obviously have not seen every single season of Beverly Hills.
I'm starting from the beginning, but like, I don't know. It's just, I don't know.

Speaker 6 I kind of feel bad for her.

Speaker 4 She's obviously going through it.

Speaker 3 Who do you think is trying to make Kyle break the most?

Speaker 4 Darcelle.

Speaker 1 Really?

Speaker 4 I think she's the one that keeps bringing up Morgan.

Speaker 1 She's the only one who's decided.

Speaker 4 She's the one who's like really, really bringing up Morgan. And Kyle obviously does not want to talk about it on camera right now, which I think she's allowed to not want to talk about that.

Speaker 1 And Kyle did. She's not ready.
Kyle did call her out too when she was like, you were trying to get Sutton to get to come for me. And she's like, no, I wasn't.
I was trying to have her defend me.

Speaker 1 And she's like, defend you in coming for me. Yeah, if you're going to go after Kyle, just go after her for just like clearing up.

Speaker 1 Are you her and mo because i'm just tired of that scene over and over it's just whatever uh next week uh our guest is uh acting with kyle on the hit show wild cards giacamo is up next

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Speaker 1 Jacamo, welcome to the show. Thank you so much for having me.
And I'm saying it right. It's Giacomo, not Giacomo.
Yes. Okay, great.
Yeah, it's a great name. Got it.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 It's the only one I have. Did your parents know you're going to be hot when you?

Speaker 1 When they gave you that Italian alliteration? Like, he's going to have to be with this name.

Speaker 4 He has no choice.

Speaker 2 We're going to give him this name. He's going to have to grow into it.

Speaker 1 It's like, he's just going to have to rise to the level. It really worked out.
You kind of had like an awkward stage with that.

Speaker 2 Well, look, I was raised in Canada and there was a lot of like Doug's and Nathan and Justin's and I was Giacomo. So it was very weird.
Okay.

Speaker 2 Small town in the north of Ontario in Canada. So did you, yeah.

Speaker 1 Was were you ever, did you ever like give yourself a nickname Jack or oh, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2 Oh, I was like, my whole goal was to assimilate. Like, I'm not Italian.
I'm not, I'm like you guys.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? I'm not different. My best friend, his name is Marcos.
And he'd be like, yeah, my name is Marcos. Marcus? Mark? Mark? He's yeah, Mark.
Fuck it. I don't care.

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly. Especially in college, you know, basement parties, everyone's drinking.
It's really loud. Yeah.
He was like, I'm not going to yell it three more times.

Speaker 1 Why is everyone calling you Mark? It's a long story.

Speaker 1 So you are performing with Kyle Richards next week or acting. Yes.

Speaker 2 Yes. We have a very exciting episode on Wild Cards that's all very sort of

Speaker 2 housewives themed.

Speaker 1 Now, did you do any like watching of the housewives, the prep fight? I didn't.

Speaker 2 Okay. I didn't.

Speaker 2 And I think it was, it was the most fun was watching everyone at work freak out that she was coming to work and me not really understanding and and being like, oh, yeah, like, like they just told me, like, we have this like really great talent from the housewives and like she's going to come here and she's going to add like such value to our episode because she's like in that world.

Speaker 2 She's so iconic and recognizable and everything. And I was just like happy.

Speaker 1 I was like thrilled. I was like, great.

Speaker 2 But I didn't watch this show. I didn't know who she was.
And then when she came on set, everyone was just, especially the women,

Speaker 2 were freaking out.

Speaker 1 She's, she is iconic. I mean, it's a great idea for a scene because these like dinner party scenes are iconic in this universe.

Speaker 1 And to think like you would think a crime would eventually happen with all the arguing and the fights, you know?

Speaker 2 I have to give it to Kyle because like, I don't think everyone in that position can have the sense of humor that she does to be able to kind of like poke fun at yourself, your own industry, your own show, reality.

Speaker 2 Like, she really had such a great sense of humor about going all in and being like yeah like let's make fun of this like let's you know like let's make people laugh let's entertain people with like how ridiculous some of these things can be right and she was such a good sport to just go along for the ride and our writers wrote all these like most ridiculous hilarious things you know making fun of sort of like reality parts of television that are that are very comical and stuff.

Speaker 2 And she just went for it and was so terrific.

Speaker 1 Have you done a lot of acting with more traditional like non-actors like Kyle who come in and do a scene? Are some easier to work with than others.

Speaker 2 What I learned about Kyle is she's actually been acting for a very long time and she's really, really talented. So

Speaker 2 I was so pleasantly surprised. I got to do some really nice scenes with her.
So I was just like, wow, she's like a child actress.

Speaker 1 She was the little girl in Halloween.

Speaker 1 She was a child actor? Yeah, and then she did the

Speaker 1 last Halloween with Jamie Lee Curtis. Well, we have a clip from for season two trailer of Wildcards.
Let's play the clip for

Speaker 1 our audience because if they haven't seen it, it's a real fun show.

Speaker 1 You lied to me, Max.

Speaker 2 You played me like I was one of your marks.

Speaker 1 You didn't catch me.

Speaker 2 Give me one reason why I should believe a single word out of your mouth.

Speaker 1 Because I know who killed your brother.

Speaker 6 Oh, no. I need my best people on this.

Speaker 1 That means you. Her too.

Speaker 1 Grab your fuzzy balls and come with me.

Speaker 6 Who has more fun than us?

Speaker 1 Everybody. Close, close, close, out.

Speaker 1 So now, do I get a badge?

Speaker 6 What happened to our egg? Maybe don't smash smash that one bam bam.

Speaker 1 Can't go five minutes without committing a felony. I didn't commit crimes.
I helped rich people part ways with their money. What's the difference? Obsessed.

Speaker 1 Whatever happened to trusting your partner. The only person you can count on is you.

Speaker 2 Trusting you is the biggest mistake I ever made.

Speaker 1 You guys going on the date?

Speaker 1 Good for nothing, dick.

Speaker 1 We just solved a murder before it even happened. Now we can arrest Scarfman and Hottie.
Oh, yeah, I'll get right on that. Wild cards.
Season premiere, Wednesday, February 5th on the CW.

Speaker 1 There we we go.

Speaker 1 Is it weird watching yourself? Do you watch any of your work?

Speaker 2 I mean, I'm very involved with like the producers and everything and how the show is shaped and stuff like that. I care about that stuff.
So I've seen these trailers and I've, you know.

Speaker 1 Was that Martin Sheen that I saw? Yeah. That's got to be pretty cool.

Speaker 2 It was, I didn't believe my producer when they said we got him. I was like,

Speaker 2 we didn't get him. Like, you're lying or whatever.
I literally, until he showed up, I didn't believe it.

Speaker 1 What was that like?

Speaker 2 It was incredible. He came in for a day and we did a ton of work with him.
We like a very full shooting day. We wanted to sort of like maximize his time with us.
And he's of a certain age.

Speaker 2 So you want to also be like, okay, let's not like kill the guy here. Let's get a respectable work day and then let him go home.

Speaker 2 But because we captured so much in one day, we were able to get enough content that we could kind of sprinkle it throughout the season. So he's got a pretty big presence in our season.
Oh, wow.

Speaker 2 Which is really nice.

Speaker 1 How different was playing a cop versus playing a doctor?

Speaker 2 I think less medical jargon, which makes my brain bleed.

Speaker 2 And I think it's just a little bit more fun because like the cop is like out on the streets. He's like chasing down the bad guys.
He's solving crimes. He's going from place to place.

Speaker 2 Whereas like the doctor, just like in real life, you're stuck at the hospital.

Speaker 1 Like that's it. You're there.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Brutal.

Speaker 1 And so. So many medical terminology, I bet, is just like wrapped in.

Speaker 2 Arguably just as exciting and thrilling because what these surgeons are doing is literally like.

Speaker 2 playing god like holding people's lives in their hands but yeah are you good at fake punching people yeah i've been doing it a long time so i've uh yeah

Speaker 2 it's basically just like you being like it's like the little 10-year-old boy jackamo like having a blast and being like i'm still playing pretend i'm still doing this like yes have you ever been in a real fight i have yeah i was bullied a lot when i was younger because i was just really short and my name of course talked about my name okay yeah uh very different and so uh yeah i was like so short until like my last year of high school like all those like really embarrassing like uh childhood photos where they put you all on the on the benches and then like give the different levels and of course like the shortest ones like you're the front row i have all front rows yes but then when you became a man an adult did you have a lot of people from the past uh reach out and just be like hey sorry like um

Speaker 1 you want to go on a date yeah

Speaker 2 not too much i i kind of like left my i mean it's even hard for me to go home honestly like this little town where i'm where i'm from parry sound ontario because it's just like

Speaker 2 Every year that I spent away from it, I just like grew further and further and further from that place to get to a point where it's like you just, you don't really have anything to connect anymore with certain people that you grew up with, right?

Speaker 2 You're just on a different trajectory.

Speaker 1 Yeah. How did you meet your wife?

Speaker 2 She is a makeup and hair artist,

Speaker 2 had been. And I was doing a photo shoot for a magazine.
And she was doing my makeup and hair.

Speaker 1 Who asked who out? I did.

Speaker 2 Nice. Yeah.
I asked everybody in the crew. for their number and I couldn't care less about anyone from the crew's number.

Speaker 1 I just need everyone.

Speaker 2 But I didn't want to be like, give me your number that's i was like hey everyone like like you guys right like i was like oh we had such a blast today like we should all exchange information so we can future like work together like all of us together

Speaker 1 and then i was like friendly

Speaker 1 delete delete

Speaker 1 great this is the one i wanted that's very that's very smooth it's really smooth because you never really know like you know put someone on the spot yeah you're you're at work it's a work setting it's like uh you know that was good so when you when you reached out were you like

Speaker 2 hey this was my plan all along i had some weird advice from my other actor friend matt murray um he uh i was like i really like this girl like i can't i can't mess this up and i'm sure she has tons of like attractive guys sit in her chair every every day and like hit on her and ask her for her number i'm like how do i like stand out from like these crowds she probably has this whole and like actors are known for being very like you know vain and into themselves and stuff i'm like great like how do i like combat this this sort of like stereotype and stick out and he's like he was like it's like it's like end of November.

Speaker 2 It's like, wait like a month. It's going to be Christmas.
She's going to be home with her family. She's going to be in her feelings.
She's going to be emotional. And that's when you strike.

Speaker 2 And I was like, I was like, interesting.

Speaker 1 I was like, very, very like, okay.

Speaker 1 And I did it. I did just that.

Speaker 2 I waited like a month, which now she was like, she was like, why did you wait a month?

Speaker 1 Then text me, you idiot.

Speaker 2 But it worked.

Speaker 1 It worked.

Speaker 2 So yeah, I just sent her a text message over the Christmas break, just being like, hey, I'm just thinking about you. And I'd love to see you when you, when you get back.

Speaker 2 She was in Northern California, and I was in Canada. And I just said, Hey, why don't we get back from the break? Like, why don't we get together? Like, I'd love, I'd love to see you.

Speaker 2 So, that was sort of the beginning.

Speaker 1 Is she your like anytime you book a new jobs? Are you like, I actually have my own hair and makeup purse that I would like to bring?

Speaker 2 Uh, not on uh, like film and television jobs, but like, if we do like a magazine or like a promotional thing, then yeah, we work together.

Speaker 1 That's like that's fun. That is nice because you know, just

Speaker 1 every time you send a new chair, for sure, you know, right now. It's like, oh, my God.

Speaker 1 What are you, what are you doing to me? It's like, you really made my eyebrows thick. Like, whoa.
Uh-oh. That's true.
How was it coming off? Obviously, Grey's Anatomy, just an iconic show.

Speaker 1 It's been on for a long time. What was it like coming off that show? Your character dying?

Speaker 1 As an actor, is it, I feel like there's like a rite of passage to like die in a scene, but at the same time, then you're kind of done. Yeah.
Is that a weird kind of transition?

Speaker 2 I honestly, I kind of like that though. Cause it's like, I mean, it's more dramatic.
There's nothing more dramatic than death. And it is a drama.
So it's like, great. We like nailed that.

Speaker 2 But yeah, I don't know. I think the leaving the door open is certain nice for certain characters.
And I think a lot of fans were really upset and still are upset that

Speaker 2 I was killed off. But

Speaker 2 it made great television. And like, that's, they have to understand like, that's what the writers are trying to do.
They're trying to make great gripping television.

Speaker 2 And it's like, there are safer choices, but they're not as entertaining. And it's like, if you're heartbroken that moment, then they're like, yeah, that's what we were trying to do.

Speaker 1 Is there like a meta moment? Like, you know, you watch a good show and your favorite character dies. Like, there's still movies or TV shows I watch.
And I know what death scene's coming.

Speaker 1 And I sometimes just kind of fast forward through it because it just like gets me. When you're dying and you watch it back, is there like a weird...

Speaker 1 Like, I know you played the role, but like, is it ever in a weird like way? It's just like, wow, I died there, you know, in a weird kind of way.

Speaker 2 I think it's like more metaphorical for me. I'm less reacting to like my character dying, and I'm more as a human reacting to the fact that that chapter in my life is finished, right?

Speaker 2 That I'm going to be now going to a new chapter and doing other things.

Speaker 1 Did you always know that your character would be bipolar?

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 2 No, and often like big storylines for

Speaker 2 on any show, really, the writers from the moment you're hired, they become detectives, right?

Speaker 2 They're trying to figure out who you are, what you can do, your strengths, your weaknesses, and start writing.

Speaker 2 And so when an actor has been on a show for a long time, they usually get really good because the writers start to write towards that actor and that character.

Speaker 2 And when those two things start to mend, you have like a really great character on television.

Speaker 1 I mean, the range, obviously, of a bipolar character,

Speaker 1 a lot of challenges with that. Like, how did you prep for that? Was that even also kind of fun to challenge yourself, you know, having such emotional ranges?

Speaker 2 I have bipolar and other mental illnesses in my family. So something that was like very close to me.
I have a very close and personal reference to that. And so that was sort of like where I started.

Speaker 2 And then I just like, you know, read some books that were more like just fact-based, like studying like different, you know, it's also a spectrum kind of like autism. Like I could put.

Speaker 2 10 people in a room, all line them up that have bipolar. They all have completely different stories and ways.

Speaker 2 And when they switch from manic to depressive and like, it's just a completely different thing.

Speaker 2 there's not like one cookie cutter thing and that's why we had a lot of talks about like okay like what is he like what does he specifically suffer from how does he suffer so that we could tell a story that was just sort of um kind of original to to to him so you like cruising on your bike yes yeah i'm a cyclist i guess that's like a nice hobby that i have how long you've been into that for i started just before the pandemic it was a really funny thing because i was just looking for somebody to get me outside

Speaker 2 try to make exercise more fun that it wasn't so like i'm working out i was like just do something that's fun so i always kind of liked being being on a bicycle but i i'd never like taken it seriously like from a perspective of like doing it for hours and training up to that that level and climbing hills and stuff like that so i bought a bike i started riding and then the whole world shut down and we had the pandemic and then i had other friends and people who were like oh god like we're locked down we can't do anything like i'm gonna get a bicycle and you couldn't get a bicycle they were completely sold out like worldwide like everyone sort of came up with the idea of like oh i'll have a bike like that'll be like my mental health thing that i do to like get out of my house

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 But you couldn't get them. It was like literally like the, they just flew off the shelves.

Speaker 2 And anybody who was in a bike selling business made a ton of money because they could just sell them for like, well, I don't know, like $20,000.

Speaker 1 Great. And people were like, great.
Like, yes, give me a bicycle.

Speaker 2 I'm going crazy. I'm stuck in my house.

Speaker 1 Did you start like a bike club with your friends for those? I didn't.

Speaker 2 It's always been a very solo kind of thing for me, which I like. Like, it's meditative.
Like, I feel like I solve a lot of problems when I'm out there. I'm just thinking.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 It's like even the shower. Like, sometimes you ever just be in the shower and you're just alone with your thoughts.

Speaker 2 There's no technology, there's no nothing, and you're like, oh, there's that problem that I'm trying to solve. Like, there we go.

Speaker 1 I mowed a lawn for the first time. Yeah.
There you go. In like 20-some years.
I did it as a kid over and over and over. And like living in the city for the past 20 years.

Speaker 1 You're stuck with your thoughts. Yeah.
And so like, usually in LA, you know, I have someone mow the lawn because I have a patch of grass. It's like, whatever.

Speaker 1 You know where to store a mow. Yeah.
But then I mowed a lawn. It was like really,

Speaker 1 it was like, this is, I'm going to keep doing this because you put the, you put the AirPods on, you listen to, you know, some music or a podcast or something, and you just kind of zone out.

Speaker 1 You know, zone out. It's great.
What do you and your wife like to do for fun?

Speaker 2 We aren't very like materialistic people. We don't like buying like items.

Speaker 2 We like doing like trips and experiences. So like that's where like we decide to like invest like our money.

Speaker 1 Totally.

Speaker 2 So it's like instead of like buying like a handbag or a cool car or like a Rolex, it's like I have an Apple watch. That's like the most expensive watch I own.

Speaker 2 And we like being like, oh, let's go to this hotel. Let's go to this cabin for the weekend.
Oh, there's this like cool, like, tiki thing on the beach we found in this like place.

Speaker 2 Like, let's fly there.

Speaker 1 Have you found a favorite kind of hole in the wall place or place that you and your wife have been like, we have to go back? Like, this is a gym. You don't have to say the name if you don't want to.

Speaker 1 There's this place because then it'll be ruined and everyone will be there.

Speaker 2 No, it's funny.

Speaker 2 I've been shooting wild cards in Vancouver. And

Speaker 2 there's this place on the way up to Whistler between Vancouver and Whistler called Nita Lake. And they have this place called the Nita Lake Lodge.

Speaker 2 And it's like what you would imagine of a lodge, you know, big like wood cabin lodge. Very simple, like not fancy, but like all the details done very well.
They got a nice spa. It's on a lake.

Speaker 2 You can like kayak and canoe. There's walking trails.
It's just very about kind of like unplugging and just being connected with nature. And so I've had a couple breaks while I've been there shooting.

Speaker 2 I think it was like the Thanksgiving weekend and some other weekend.

Speaker 2 We shoot up there and we go there for like three days. Also, we have a dog, so it's like dog friendly.
That's like huge. That's like the place has to have like be dog friendly.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 So we have a great time there, just like unplugging and just like going for a kayak in the morning with a cup of coffee and going for a walk.

Speaker 1 Do you like shooting in Vancouver? Yeah, it's beautiful. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Especially in the summer when it's not raining so much.

Speaker 1 It's gorgeous. What is like considered some, like when do we start summer in Vancouver? Do we know?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, like

Speaker 1 June? Is it yeah, June, July? Like, you know.

Speaker 2 The island is also really beautiful Vancouver Island okay there's a place called Tofino Vancouver place called Tofino so you're on the ocean and like surfers come there from all over the world to surf as well another really just beautiful like you want to just kind of unplug a lot of like cabin and nature and beaches and it's really pretty do you have a type of character or a project that's always been kind of of a dream of yours to try to play next

Speaker 2 I guess like I've been always riding the line of kind of leading man. And I think I just have way much, much more fun playing against that.

Speaker 2 Like, I like playing people who are like complicated and disturbed, or evil, or you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 And I have a lot, I just got back from shooting this little Indian in Calgary where I was a cult leader, and uh, I don't think I've had that much fun in a long time.

Speaker 1 Um,

Speaker 2 just being like, how far can I take this?

Speaker 1 Like, how, like, I'm going to go all the way.

Speaker 2 Like, this guy is absolutely.

Speaker 1 Y'all told me to reel it in.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 It's just so fun to just like slip that on you know what i mean and just and then yeah be finished your day all cult leaders have to have some pretty good nice eyes well if you see like you know there's all these like documentaries on netflix and stuff about like cults and cult leaders and things and like how they came to be and you're like how did all these people fall for this thing and it's usually like a handsome guy who like knows how to talk

Speaker 2 right and it always starts hey come in like sit down like we have a lot of cool things here and like

Speaker 1 and then all of a sudden you have like 17 wives. And they're like, Yeah, and all of a sudden there's like a hand on your thigh.

Speaker 2 And like, whoa, what is this guy?

Speaker 1 Whoa, okay.

Speaker 1 I'm in. Yeah.
It's like, there's always like

Speaker 1 you're in. Yeah, yeah, I'm in.

Speaker 1 See, that's how they happen. So easy.
God, you're so good at your job.

Speaker 1 Is there anyone from like history that you would be interested in doing like a biopic on or someone that like you feel like you could channel really well?

Speaker 2 Being a Roman born in Rome, I love the ancient civilization of Rome.

Speaker 2 And like, you know, when I've seen films like the original Gladiator when I was growing up, like those films just like have my whole heart.

Speaker 2 If I could just teleport and like live in that time, like

Speaker 2 had a lot of problems that time.

Speaker 1 It was very problematic.

Speaker 2 But, you know, there's something kind of like I romanticize about it.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Not all like the hunger and war and famine and strife. I like romanticize all the like fighting and the desert gladiator and stuff.
It's like, yeah, I'm a guy.

Speaker 1 The swords and the armor and stuff.

Speaker 1 Have you seen the second gladiator?

Speaker 2 I have seen it, yeah.

Speaker 1 Do you think it holds up?

Speaker 2 I'm a big Ridley Scott fan, so I just like the spectacle of it all, how large and grandiose it is, is definitely great. And Denzel was terrific.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I think there's certain moments of like the historical inaccuracies that give me a little like there's sharks in the Colosseum swimming around.

Speaker 1 Did it eat the sharks? Yeah. You could know.

Speaker 2 At that point, just put laser beams on their head too, like go full.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That was probably maybe the big, only gripe I had.

Speaker 1 Because it was never going to live up to the first one fine yeah like that was no no and it shouldn't have been and i think that was good but no i thought the cast did great it was a beautiful film i was engaged the whole time i was never bored and the energy maintained i thought it was a great film that is so true i remember being like how did they get that water in there and how is it staying and then the sharks how are they

Speaker 1 did they need them with drinks

Speaker 1 like how did they transport them from whatever ocean they got them like

Speaker 2 because yesterday there were no sharks and there is records of ships being brought in but like they weren't that big and there wasn't that much water. It was like small little boats.
It was like.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was crazy. I forgot about that scene.
Do you have any fun summer plans coming up?

Speaker 2 Fun summer plans. Every year I try to go to Italy because my grandmother's there.
My family's there. So I definitely have plans in

Speaker 1 May to

Speaker 1 Rome your favorite city in Italy? Like if we were to go back to Italy, I've been to Venice.

Speaker 2 There's a lot of really beautiful ones. I think Bologna is one of my favorite cities.
I shot an Italian film there years ago and I got to live there for like almost six months and it is terrific.

Speaker 2 Apart from it being probably one of the best food in all of Italy, just the north is just terrific. But it was just like this small little city.
It's not a town. It's a proper city.

Speaker 2 It has like all the things you could possibly want, but you can walk from one side to the other in like half an hour. It's got one of the biggest universities there.

Speaker 2 So you have like this injection of like youth and culture and life and you hear like Spanish and German and French at restaurants because all the young students from all over are studying there.

Speaker 2 So it's just very cool melting pot, very artistic. There's a music school there too.
So you have like young musician students that are like playing on the streets and like art.

Speaker 2 It's just, it's a very inspiring place.

Speaker 1 So you're fluent in Italian, I'm guessing. Is your wife also?

Speaker 2 She's not. She's working on it and she's been working on it for nine years.

Speaker 1 Yes, of course.

Speaker 2 It's a slow burn, but we're getting there.

Speaker 1 Are you teaching her or is she like don't? It's come back and forth.

Speaker 2 It's like sometimes I'll try teaching and sometimes she'll use the apps and stuff. So yeah.
It's always better when we're there and spending time there. She gets back into the groove.

Speaker 2 But then when we leave, it's like it's hard to kind of like maintain it.

Speaker 1 Before she started learning Italian, would you ever like say things behind her back in Italian if you're really mad? No.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 She's like, I'm going to remember that and look that up. What did you just say?

Speaker 1 Nothing. Never mind.

Speaker 1 That's funny. Do you like games? Of course.
Yeah. Sure.

Speaker 1 I'm waiting for the game.

Speaker 1 Let me rephrase. No.

Speaker 1 Depends.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it depends on if you have to explain the rules to me. I don't want to play the game.
You know, there's nothing worse than being like, sure, let's play Monopoly. How do you play?

Speaker 1 And then someone's like, all right. So if you have,

Speaker 1 it's like, yeah, I can't do it. I can't.
But then if you land here,

Speaker 1 you have to go back three spaces.

Speaker 1 Roll around. Are there a lot of rules to this game, Mary?

Speaker 4 It's actually three pages of just rules.

Speaker 1 That's terrific.

Speaker 4 Okay. We can scrap.
No, I'm just kidding. It's so this game is, it's just a very silly game.
It's called, is this a reality TV scandal or like a crime show scandal?

Speaker 4 And we're going to list off some like scandals from

Speaker 2 real things that happened?

Speaker 1 Real things that happened in reality TV. They're either really happened on a reality TV show or they were an actual scene.
Like a random scene or someone wrote.

Speaker 1 And you're going to have to guess. Okay.

Speaker 1 What's wrong with this? Did the writers write this or is this real life? Okay. For some people.
Okay.

Speaker 4 All right. So up first we have becoming so addicted to tanning that your skin turns into leather and you have to go to the hospital.

Speaker 2 I mean, I guess

Speaker 2 like a reality TV show.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Like real life.
It's reality.

Speaker 4 It feels reality. It's from CSI Miami.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 Smell it. Yeah.
Smart said we would.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 4 Helping your husband fake cancer.

Speaker 2 Helping your husband fake cancer?

Speaker 2 I'm going to go real on that one.

Speaker 1 Dr. DeLuca, what are we thinking? Yeah.

Speaker 4 It is from, it is Vicki Gumbelson from the Reality Source movie.

Speaker 1 Allegedly.

Speaker 1 We have to say that. Allegedly.

Speaker 1 Allegedly.

Speaker 6 Vicki, we love you.

Speaker 4 Faking a pregnancy to keep your husband from leaving.

Speaker 2 I would probably go up that it was written.

Speaker 1 Written?

Speaker 4 It is from Glee.

Speaker 1 Glee. There you go.

Speaker 4 Faking a law degree to everyone you know.

Speaker 1 That's pretty close.

Speaker 1 God, yeah. I don't know.
I feel like this is reality. Is this Craig Conover?

Speaker 4 It's a trick question. It is both Craig Conover from Southern Charm, and it also happened in suits.

Speaker 1 There we go. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Getting arrested by the FBI for a long con committing elder fraud.

Speaker 1 Television?

Speaker 1 Nope. Reality?

Speaker 4 Jen Chaw from the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City.

Speaker 1 She's currently in jail. She's all real housewives? Yeah.
Doing all these crimes? Yes. Oh, my God.
She's currently in jail with Elizabeth Holmes. Yeah.
Serving demo. You got Kyle, who...

Speaker 1 To our knowledge, has not had a job. Crime free.
Yeah, Kyle's crime-free.

Speaker 2 My wife, Nicole, would know all of this because she's into true crime like every other woman is.

Speaker 2 She'd be like, oh, yes, that happened in 1991. I know.

Speaker 1 The joke that's like women fall asleep by hearing, like, and her head was cut off. Her legs were cut off.
It's actually true.

Speaker 4 Yeah. And next up, we have leaving your wife to go back to your ex, who you secretly had kids with.

Speaker 1 True? No, it's from Grace Anatomy. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 No, no, no.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 4 getting banned from Carvell Ice Cream for life after scamming the company.

Speaker 2 That seems too specific to be television.

Speaker 1 That feels real. Reality.

Speaker 4 No, it's from 30 Rock, but it was a 30 Rock episode that Kelsey Grammer was in, and Kelsey Grammer did have his wife, previous wife, Camille Grammer, on The Rail Housewives of Beverly Hills. Okay.

Speaker 1 Did she get banned from an ice cream shop?

Speaker 4 No, he just divorced her after putting her on the show. Yeah,

Speaker 1 while having an affair. What do you mean?

Speaker 4 Kelsey Grammer put his wife Camille on the shows to give her something to do so he could go to New York and have an affair. And then he left her in the first season.

Speaker 1 Is this an alleged season? No, this literally is a lot of the first season of Beverly Live. Yes.
That's what I said.

Speaker 2 He had another family that he had kids with?

Speaker 1 No, no, no, no.

Speaker 6 No, he just

Speaker 4 was also.

Speaker 1 Did he ever watch Housewives? He was in it. People talk about rumors a lot.

Speaker 1 Yeah. This was early days.
It's going to get brought up. It's Orange County.
It's not a way to fly under the radar. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Anyway, next up, we have Returning a Puppy You Got From a Friend to a Kill Shelter.

Speaker 1 Oh my God, that is horrible.

Speaker 1 That is horrible.

Speaker 1 Why am I afraid it's reality TV?

Speaker 4 It's it's reality TV.

Speaker 1 And it didn't technically happen.

Speaker 4 It's so Dorit, so Doreet

Speaker 4 got a dog from Lisa Vanderpump's Vanderpump dogs. The dog didn't work for her family.
She gave it to a friend. And then the friend...

Speaker 4 sent the dog to a kill shelter, but then Lisa basically brought all of this to the show to make it seem like Dorit

Speaker 1 dropped it off at a kill shelter.

Speaker 4 And that's why Lisa Vanderbum ended up leaving the show.

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, Dari should have like made sure whoever she gave this dog to. I mean, who would ever be like, yeah, let me take this dog to like a kill?

Speaker 1 You know, like, who would ever think that your friend would do that? Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's probably one of the worst seasons of Beverly Hills Housewives, too, because that was the entire storyline for the entire season. Good.
Apple, goosey, juicy, apple goosey.

Speaker 1 Does this make you want to watch reality TV?

Speaker 4 Are you like, you know,

Speaker 1 It's good character study.

Speaker 2 It sounds vile.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 They do some pretty awful things to each other.

Speaker 4 All right. Cheating on your husband with a man that looks identical to him.

Speaker 2 So it's like husband 2.0.

Speaker 2 Slightly improved, maybe.

Speaker 1 It's like when you still liked him, you know?

Speaker 2 Oh, you're like him when I still liked him.

Speaker 1 I remember you. I remember you.

Speaker 1 Real?

Speaker 4 It's from Severance.

Speaker 2 Severance.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Okay.
Do you watch Severance? I do. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I'm not all caught up. I know the finale happened.
I think I'm like two or three episodes behind.

Speaker 1 Are you watching White Lotus?

Speaker 2 I've only watched the first episode of that.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 You are so busy.

Speaker 2 Yes, I've been very busy lately.

Speaker 4 Ruining your vacation with friends by getting arrested for a felony.

Speaker 1 I know.

Speaker 1 Written. Nope.

Speaker 4 It's from the show Vanderpump Rules. Jax Taylor got arrested for stealing dunk bosses when he was on vacation.

Speaker 2 It started really strong.

Speaker 1 And then he's been struggling ever since.

Speaker 2 It got too right, and then it's just been

Speaker 6 you have more faith in humanity.

Speaker 1 That is, you're just like, this can't be real stories. Yeah, someone had to have written these.

Speaker 4 And then last but not least, we have a high-profile lawyer embezzling client settlement funds and getting arrested for that.

Speaker 1 I'm going to say written.

Speaker 1 Written? Tom Jardy. Tom Jardy.

Speaker 1 It's reality television. Do you guys know too much about the reality of the television?

Speaker 4 Well, kind of the movie, because Tom Jardy is the lawyer they base the lawyer and Aaron Brockovich on. And then he ended up in real life.

Speaker 1 Really?

Speaker 1 so the scene have you seen aaron brockovich yes you know the scene where uh like the big shot lawyer comes in and like helps the smaller one they team up and then aaron brockovich's character kind of goes through all the phone numbers yeah her he's the the the the male act the male lawyer who comes in who's the big shot is playing tom girardi erica jane's husband isn't that movie really old yeah so they knew like all along that tom girardi was a scumbag no like tom girardi before he was a scumbag, was

Speaker 1 a lawyer who successfully went after corporations and seemingly helped the small person. He just ended up

Speaker 1 stealing their money. Yeah.
Yes, of course.

Speaker 1 Okay. Anyway, that's my game.
That's our game. I learned a lot.
Yes.

Speaker 1 And we are. Most importantly, you learned you will not be tuning in to Real Housewives.
Kyle never did anything. Or that you're just like, you're a pretty good person.
Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 1 I appreciate it. Jacimo, this has been a lot of fun.
Thanks for coming and chatting with us. Everyone, check out, if you haven't already, season two of Wild Cards, especially next week.

Speaker 1 If you are a big fan of Kyle and Housewives, tune in. You see Jacimo and Kyle work together.
It's a lot of fun, and we appreciate you coming on. Thank you, guys.
It was a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 Yeah, thanks for coming.

Speaker 1 Well, that was fun, Jacimo. What a sweet guy.
Really? Okay, you've been saying it with an accent all along. Now you're like, Jacamo.

Speaker 1 Jacimo.

Speaker 1 Well, thank you for Jacimo for coming on the show. Jacamo.
It's a fun word to say.

Speaker 1 His name. He's

Speaker 1 like, it's the only one I have. So

Speaker 1 Jack. His co-star Vanessa Morgan was also in Riverdale.
I auditioned for that show. You auditioned for Riverdale? For Veronica, yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. Oh, really? Yeah.
Did get it. So, sorry, Jack.

Speaker 1 Short story.

Speaker 1 Short story. Not much to say.

Speaker 1 I want to ask you. We're going to talk about it.
I won't ask you about it. There's nothing else to say.
And I'm here. So

Speaker 1 you do look like a Veronica. Thank you.
I do see it.

Speaker 3 I had a great audition.

Speaker 1 Hey, David Raffaport. Good enough.
I see you.

Speaker 1 I still made it on camera. Okay.

Speaker 1 I still made it on camera.

Speaker 1 Just a different camera. Just different, you know?

Speaker 1 You are going to do it.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Sarah. You could have ended up in a quadruple.

Speaker 1 That's okay. I love my supporting girl.

Speaker 4 That's crazy. In life.

Speaker 1 In life.

Speaker 1 I'm crying because I'm laughing. Well, I'm excited to see that episode of Wildcard with Kyle.
Me too. Not me, not knowing she was an actor.
She's literally like an iconic.

Speaker 4 She's literally the little girl in Halloween.

Speaker 3 I watched Halloween for Kyle Richards.

Speaker 1 She's in the

Speaker 1 original.

Speaker 4 The little brunette girl that Jamie Lee Curtis is babysitting in Halloween is Kyle Richards.

Speaker 3 And they brought her back for the last two.

Speaker 1 They did. Did you ever see Escape to Wich Mountain?

Speaker 5 Also, Escape to Witch Mountain.

Speaker 1 That's where her sisters were. Her sister was like the little blonde girl.
They're a childhood actress. They are

Speaker 1 Kyle.

Speaker 4 the crazy thing about Kyle and Kim Richards is like the difference between the career trajectory of like Jodi Foster and Kim Richards.

Speaker 4 There's like one single line that they went off differently, and that blows my mind.

Speaker 1 Yeah, anyway.

Speaker 5 Well, yeah. Also, Escape to Witch Mountain.

Speaker 1 I used to watch that in my all-time favorite. Yeah, it's a great one.
When I was a kid, I used to watch that all the time. Okay.

Speaker 5 All right. I just watched it again recently.
Escape to, Escape From, Escape.

Speaker 1 What are they? Was Kyle in all those? Oh, no, Kim.

Speaker 1 Escape to Witch Mountain.

Speaker 1 The original. Okay.
Well, Sydney Sweeney is less fun to say.

Speaker 1 And it is the obliteration. It is.
Sidney Sweeney is single. And my DMs are open.
No, I want you to say that five times fast. Sydney Sweeney.
Sydney Sweeney single. Sydney.
I can't.

Speaker 1 Not even once. It's so hard.
The men of the world rejoice. Yes.
And the women. And the women.
And the ladies. I thought we did say her DMs are open.

Speaker 1 So are mine. We are looking for a third.
Sydney. She's here.

Speaker 1 We're going to go by the way of Tyler.

Speaker 6 Sydney, I'd be cool if you just did whatever you wanted to do.

Speaker 4 I'll stay at home.

Speaker 1 I don't even know what that means. What does that intimate?

Speaker 4 Yeah, I'm like, you know, Glenn Powell, she can do whatever with the media.

Speaker 1 And I'll sit. I'll sit back in my chair.

Speaker 4 If she wants to fake a if she wants to fake a relationship, go for it.

Speaker 6 I'm glad the way that you said that.

Speaker 1 I'll just sit back and let you do whatever you want. I'm sure.

Speaker 4 It worked for Travis Kelsey.

Speaker 3 You were intimating a lot there.

Speaker 4 I didn't mean to do that.

Speaker 1 I really, I think her and Glenn just need to do it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, a date. Well,

Speaker 5 according to Glenn Powell's mom, Cindy, they are definitely not together. She said, we love Sidney.
We've considered her just a really, really good friend.

Speaker 5 We were all together so much and we haven't seen her in a long time. She's really a friend and we all enjoy her.
There's nothing going on behind closed doors.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Listen, that, this is what I've been saying all along.

Speaker 1 I felt like that's why she was at the sister's wedding: when they were filming that movie together, I'm sure his family was there a lot of the time. She got close with his sister.
She got married.

Speaker 1 She's like, Sidney, you have to come. Please come.
But they're just both

Speaker 1 extraordinarily hot people. It doesn't help that Glenn's girlfriend at the time they did like break up and there was like she was not down for the fun.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Didn't you spend New Year's Eve with her? And Glenn.
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 So, do you have any tea on Glenn and Sid?

Speaker 1 Nope, but I just think that in the same in it I'll compare it to Dareet and PK, but it's like when you put your career and everything above your relationship and leave the person that cares for you most in the dark.

Speaker 1 So you feel for the ex-girlfriend? 100%. 100%.
Okay. Okay.
100%. Well.

Speaker 1 I remember her like post on Instagram that was like... Like finally three or something.
Yeah, she was like walking by herself or something. She moved.

Speaker 1 She like started a new life and like she looks fabulous. And I think that it was very like glimp powell yeah

Speaker 1 i mean listen like i

Speaker 1 i get their i get their actors and i get they got a a a movie to promote but

Speaker 1 yeah do y'all remember the um jessica chastain one of my favorite actors of all time and yes and uh it's the oscar isaacs yes them on the red carpet

Speaker 1 caressing oh my god and then we people are like wait he's my god married like no one knew and we're like

Speaker 1 that is a moment that's my roman Empire. I think of that red carpet moment constantly.
I'm so glad you brought that back into my memory. It is so.

Speaker 1 What do you think about it? Well, I also did not know he was married.

Speaker 1 I loved the two of them. And what's the name of that show that they're in?

Speaker 4 It was Scenes from a Marriage. It was a remake of.
It was a remake of a movie.

Speaker 1 And I just remember watching, it was like a video of them on the red carpet and the way that he like kissed her arm. It was just so romantic.

Speaker 1 Like, literally, any woman who ever watched that scene turned to their husband and said, Why don't you look at me like that? Yeah, and it was like, Well, because they're acting, they don't,

Speaker 1 he's got a wife, and that's not her.

Speaker 1 They one-upped the like whisper and laugh in the ear on the red carpet. You know how a lot of couples like to do that, and you're like, What are they saying? Because whatever it was, it was so funny.

Speaker 1 Because now, like, usually a smile, yeah,

Speaker 1 I think you have to look over to find something funny in

Speaker 1 Yeah. But no, he, yeah, wow.
Throw back to that.

Speaker 1 I love Jessica. Love Jessica.

Speaker 3 She's from Sacramento.

Speaker 1 My hometown.

Speaker 1 Huge.

Speaker 1 Represent. Amazing.

Speaker 4 I love when people get old Hollywood with it, like with the way they do things in the press.

Speaker 1 Then you feel like getting old Hollywood. Do you feel like that's old Hollywood? Yes.

Speaker 4 It is.

Speaker 3 She's like a Britney Spears to me. She's like America's sweetheart to a lot of people.

Speaker 1 I love that Old Hollywood too is Britney Spears. Well, okay.

Speaker 3 That's not what I was saying, but I was saying that.

Speaker 1 I don't feel like guys who are fans of her are calling her a sweetheart.

Speaker 3 Well, I think a lot of people like lust after them.

Speaker 1 Oh, they're just perverted. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Exactly. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But she leans in, you know? Does she lean in? Sydney? Oh, to the like romantic.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
They're like, well, aren't there when she could very easily be like, y'all are stupid? Like, I'm producing this movie. Yes, we want to sell it.

Speaker 1 It's like, no, like, let's lean in and make you guys wonder whether or not now you want to see it because you want to see our chemistry.

Speaker 1 And like, aren't we, are we uh but a source says about her breaking off her engagement what did make her overwhelm though was her relationship and her wedding she didn't feel right about it and sydney is in the middle of this magical career that she could only dream of a few years ago this is what she wants to focus on right now she's not ready to settle down they only lasted for this long because it was hard for her to break it off they didn't split because there is no love they split because she wants to focus on her career right now i respect it you know she's definitely blowing up and in the peak height of her career right now now.

Speaker 1 And I get like, listen, planning a wedding is a lot. And I understand her being like, I don't have the fucking time for this right now.

Speaker 1 But it is sad that like she had to end a relationship over it.

Speaker 1 It is sad. But did they have like a working relationship as well? Like didn't he like executive produce the majority of her projects? And I know he was a producer on anyone.
No one but you.

Speaker 1 He was. Yes.
So that's why I think a lot of people were. Well, we're wishing everyone involved the best,

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Speaker 1 Well, Isa, welcome to the show. Hey, you guys.
How are you? This is great. We're talking candles and babies.

Speaker 6 Can we talk about your set? You know what this gives, like the vibes are, like, you make, like, really expensive, like, hair gummies.

Speaker 6 Like, the color, it's just, like, in a nice, it comes in a nice metal package or like it's some sort of like feminine vitamin. Like, it's a very sporty country club feminine vitamin space.

Speaker 1 Does it make you want to talk and open up?

Speaker 6 And it just, I'm just like, is there free merch? Like, it just looks like. like creatine gummies that, you know, tone, not bulk.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 6 There's an ad for that somewhere on Ventura and that's what made me think of it.

Speaker 1 Thanks. Yeah, I love the green.

Speaker 6 No, it's very, it's like masculine, feminine. It's a good, I like the green.

Speaker 1 Well, how have you been?

Speaker 6 I want to talk about this set more. I'm great.

Speaker 1 Nick is obsessed with the color green.

Speaker 1 I've been on a real green cake.

Speaker 6 Well, this is a varsity green versus, you know, like a Kelly green, which is obnoxious. So this is a good green.
Kelly green. Kelly green's like that Irish, like leprechaun kind of

Speaker 1 green. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Like almost neon-ish.

Speaker 6 This is like an academic. It's called academic green because I have it in my kitchen, like a darker, like you would see this perhaps in the hallowed halls of a university or something.
Like a forest,

Speaker 1 like a forest. Nick's also a Green Bay Packers fan.

Speaker 6 I got to be honest.

Speaker 6 I've played there. I mean, it is, it is weird to have a whole city.
Like, that is the culture. Like, full houses are painted.
Like, it is just, you get that in cold cities.

Speaker 1 Like, the whole thing revolves. Because they have nothing else to really get that cold.
Yeah. That's why Nick's mom had 11 children.
Wow.

Speaker 1 It was so cold. So cold.

Speaker 6 So cold you had to turn to podcasting for a warm embrace.

Speaker 1 Well, they just needed one more body. A little bit.
You know, just kind of sit next to each other.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God.

Speaker 6 Can your dad give your mom a break?

Speaker 1 He likes to refer to himself as Thumbra, which is hard for me to personally hear.

Speaker 6 It's a weird thing. I mean, I'm fine with hearing that, but because I don't think he gave himself that name.
We think one of the kids did it?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 The people he worked with, I think, did.

Speaker 6 Are they still together?

Speaker 1 My parents? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Okay. Yeah.
I think you got to be at that point.

Speaker 1 Where else are you going to go?

Speaker 1 Yeah. You're going to get divorced after 11?

Speaker 6 Which one are you in the 11?

Speaker 1 I'm the second oldest.

Speaker 6 Okay.

Speaker 1 So you, you know, you had some time to be like one like kind of the same i was oh yeah i was i'm an only child with 10 siblings yeah that's the way to look at it yeah yeah yeah that's how i would look at it i have one brother and i'm like but it's me well i had a sister older than me and then i have two sisters after me and then my oldest brother is seven years younger that's a tough one so i just kind of did my thing it was very seven years what is that your parents were just like you know what let's pick it back up again yeah well no that two that two girls in between but my closest brother is seven years we're still missing something But then, but the youngest.

Speaker 6 How's the youngest? How old's the youngest?

Speaker 1 19. And how old are you? 44.
I'm six months closer in age to my father than to my youngest sibling.

Speaker 6 Right. That's you've done that math.
You've had a flight to do that math.

Speaker 1 A flight with no Wi-Fi. Yeah, that's a good idea.

Speaker 6 I was going to say it's a Southwest flight. Are you going to have 11 kids too?

Speaker 1 Because you could.

Speaker 1 I personally don't know if I could push out 11 through my vagina, but...

Speaker 1 Why is there something? Well, after the one, it was just, you know, it's like 11. It's really hard to think about it.
I think gets easier.

Speaker 6 I don't think you have to do it. I think it just does it.
It just falls out.

Speaker 6 I just think, no, but I just think if you did one and you wanted 11, I think by that eighth one, you're just like, you yawn. You're just like, oh, there it goes.

Speaker 1 I think it does get easier.

Speaker 1 I do think that's true.

Speaker 6 The second one was easier. I was like all ready to push.
I was like, here we go. And they're like, here he is.
And I was like, oh, how

Speaker 1 is two, like parenting two children versus one, like, how much more difficult are we talking here?

Speaker 6 I'm not going to sit here and be like, I do it all. Like, I have help, but I did get, like, this morning, had a very emotional talk with the nanny.
She's like, you got, she's Jamaican.

Speaker 6 And I do a terrible Jamaican accent, but she's like, you do not pay enough attention to him. And I was like, yeah, because we have you.

Speaker 1 You got lectured by your nanny.

Speaker 6 And she was right. And I felt really bad.
And I was like, I have to like pull it together. But she was, and I was just like, but he's a boy.
And so he's extra strong and extra squirmy.

Speaker 6 And I'm like, it's not the funnest hang to like hold. It's a full, it's like holding a crocodile like it's or like an alligator.
Like it's just rolling. And my daughter's three.

Speaker 6 So she's, oh, I was like, but you can't just put him off until he gets older like then we'll hang out so i would have a hard time getting parenting notes from my my nanny oh really i take all the notes from her because she knows better than i and she was our daughter's nanny so anything i didn't know we just asked myrna and so everything i know now is because of how she did it and that's how'd you find her it was an accident oh no she was she was we were in line at ralph's no uh i

Speaker 6 we had hired a nanny because that's in my mind i was was like, this is how I was going to go. I'm going to spend my money on this.
I'm going to have a baby nurse that lives with us.

Speaker 6 I'm not, I'm a touring comic. Like I've got like three jobs.
Like I'm not getting up in the night longer than I have to. I don't care what anyone thinks about that because you would too if you could.

Speaker 6 And I had her all, her name was Cheryl. I had her all set.
I had done like a FaceTime with her. I'm like, great.
I sent her the deposit of like a couple thousand dollars. And like.

Speaker 6 Four weeks before I was going to give birth, she gives me, sends me these like really grainy videos of her like not feeling well.

Speaker 6 And I was like this feels like a scam and then she sent me one of her in a hospital she was like oh i've got bronchitis or something that's the same picture that the brad pitt used oh my god that is so funny this predates that but that is so funny and i was just like why's your head on why are you white uh and she was and and so i was just like okay well i'm sorry i hope you're okay but like what about that money she was like i'm gonna send you my cousin and i was like i don't know your cousin like i don't really know you but like i had my heart set on you myrna just showed up she sent her the money the deposit i came home from the hospital there was myrna took my baby and she's been with us ever since that was it wow when you are that vulnerable you're like okay here sure you seem trustworthy i need to go take a shower i'm gonna wash this blood off

Speaker 6 and that's great and she's great and she lives with you still she came back she was the first person i called when i got pregnant with my son before my parents and i was like can you get back here and so she did and she lives with us and i hope she never leaves but at some point i'll have to learn how to be a mother of two so yeah your movie about like an ex-boyfriend.

Speaker 1 That was a crazy story. Put on paper.

Speaker 6 It's on Netflix.

Speaker 1 You can watch it now.

Speaker 1 Tyler Cameron's in it. He is.
That's your alum.

Speaker 6 That was our big star poll.

Speaker 1 We got Tyler Cameron and he had a cute little scene. Yeah, nice little scene.
Yeah. He was real hot back then.
You know, he's still hot, like physically.

Speaker 6 Yeah, nothing happened to him.

Speaker 1 He was very nice. Very nice man.
But I remember we have a mutual friend, Alan, Gail.

Speaker 1 Okay, yeah. And I saw you do a stand-up a long time ago, and you told this story about this crazy story about this ex.
And I remember when the movie came out, I was like, I know this story.

Speaker 1 I've heard her tell this story. It's such an crazy story.
Can you remind my audience just a little bit of background? Just because we have a lot of daters who listen to the show.

Speaker 6 It's remind or inform for the first time. It's basically a story about this movie that I made is a few years old now, but it's about me dating a sociopath.

Speaker 6 And it's this like story where you meet someone and they tell you all these amazing things.

Speaker 6 And my story is a little bit different because this wasn't, this movie sort of falls into that like weird category of the Tinder Swindler and like those kind of things or Dirty John, like those kind of things.

Speaker 6 My movie came out before all that. And I do think that these things happen, especially to women, but more than we realize.

Speaker 6 And it's only now that people are talking about it. But I basically met someone, we were friends.
And then eventually we started dating.

Speaker 6 And I learned that every single thing he had said about himself was a lie.

Speaker 6 And where my story differs from others is that he wasn't telling me things like, oh, I'm a prince or I've got billions of dollars.

Speaker 6 He just like said he went to like a good school and like worked at a hedge fund, things that I am not so impressed by. It's just different.

Speaker 1 Like I'm the value of it. Unbelievable, but like, but totally believable.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 Like I went to Yale. I'm like, cool.
So did my cousin. Do you know Brett? Like it wasn't like, oh my God, how did you ever get in there?

Speaker 6 And then slowly but surely, every lie from the things that he did to the people he knew to where he liked everything unraveled.

Speaker 6 And so it's, it's high stakes in that it's your heart, but it's not high stakes like, oh, I loaned the guy money or something. Yeah.
But it's a true true story. And so I wrote it.

Speaker 1 It's a great movie. Thank you.
Obviously, it's very funny, but it has a, it's, it's a dark comedy in a way.

Speaker 6 It's a dark comedy when you realize that it is a, it is a mostly true story. I say it's a true story based on a lie.
And so it really did happen. And no, I don't know where he is.

Speaker 6 And no, I don't know if he ever saw it.

Speaker 1 He's probably dead in a ditch.

Speaker 6 Like he probably lied to the wrong person.

Speaker 1 And so that was. Or he's probably lying that he's dead in a ditch.
100%. Or he's telling everyone the movie's about vegetarian.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Which is like a weird badge of honor.
All jokes aside, how are you able to like work through that? I mean, people in relationship, I mean, shit, bad things happen to all of us in relationships.

Speaker 1 People get cheated on. We have partners lie to us all the time, you know, whatever.
But this,

Speaker 1 this is a, this is one of those things that, like, for some people, real fucks, really fucks them up, you know, like going forward.

Speaker 1 Like, how did you work through all that and move forward to where you are today, which is in a seemingly much better place than when that was all going on?

Speaker 6 Proud mom of one. I mean, two.
I have a son.

Speaker 6 You know, that happened.

Speaker 6 I think I was like the whole thing took place maybe over two years. So let's say I was like 32 or 33.
So, you know, I wasn't like a naive kid moving through the world.

Speaker 6 And I had had other relationships and, you know, met people that you're like, oh, maybe this could be the one. So I was, you know, a formed person, but I am smart enough to.

Speaker 6 and at the moment, in the moment, have acknowledged that it was a crazy thing that happened.

Speaker 6 So this isn't like you get cheated on and you've been cheated on on before, and then it kind of becomes this like weird pattern.

Speaker 6 This was, I knew this was a freak thing, and it had nothing to do with me because it wasn't like I met him and I was like, oh my God, you're so impressive. We were friends.

Speaker 6 I was like, I am not attracted to you for a very long time.

Speaker 6 And then, because women have this stupid capacity to be in love with a personality, I eventually fell in love with this person, despite the fact that they're not attractive. Like, this happens.

Speaker 6 You wouldn't understand, men can't do that. Also, your wife is beautiful, but like, men are never like, she's so ugly, but she's really funny.

Speaker 1 I know we're in love. I've never met that guy.
Ever.

Speaker 6 He's like, her punchlines are sick, but that one eye is closed. And

Speaker 6 so I just knew that it was weird. And I knew that I didn't want to be the kind of person who dragged that around like this albatross and like paid it forward.

Speaker 6 So I just took time to myself to kind of do whatever I wanted after that. And I was very honest with any of the guys that I met, like, hey, like, I feel, I'm feeling really bad right now.

Speaker 6 So I can't really be in a position to like be anyone's girlfriend, which of course just makes men want you more when you're like, I'm unavailable.

Speaker 6 And I just took my time and I wrote about it and I wrote that movie.

Speaker 6 And so what started out as this very angry, vengeful thing turned into art that in the end really wasn't about him as much as like a comedic exploration of something.

Speaker 6 And so in the end, I came out totally clean because I wrote about it.

Speaker 1 That's awesome. Yeah.
Because that doesn't usually happen. And to be able to take something that obviously affected you and turn it into something you're really proud of is a pretty cool thing.

Speaker 6 You know what? It was my goal. And I appreciate that you said that.
I think sometimes we carry around these things and it becomes your personality. And you don't want to be that.

Speaker 6 Like you don't want to be the girl that's like still talking about like, it's not like we got married. We didn't have kids.
Like it was just super fucked up.

Speaker 6 And so it's just, I was just like, I want to be so far away from this. So I worked through it myself, but I knew it was such a weird thing that the odds of that happening again were basically zero.

Speaker 6 And so I just decided to move past it.

Speaker 1 But you're right though. Like we, I've done that where like a breakup becomes your personality.

Speaker 1 You know, you talk about it and you think that like no one can relate to your plight because like you've been broken hearted in ways that no one else has. You're like, how's the world still revolving?

Speaker 6 Like what he broke up with, like we've all been there. This was just, I processed it.
Everyone, and it also helped because we all went through it. Like my friends had met him.

Speaker 6 Like we all put the pieces together. In real life, one of my friends was with me when we went to the house and discovered it wasn't the house.

Speaker 6 Like, so in a weird way, we all got to unpack this together.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's nice. Yeah.
It was like a scavenger hunt, kind of.

Speaker 1 Like an emotional scavenger hunt. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So fun. You You have a new special out on Amazon.
Congratulations. Thank you.

Speaker 6 Which one's my camera? Thank you.

Speaker 1 We want to mix face above it. You've had many.

Speaker 1 Does it get harder and harder to like come up with new material? Does one of your specials have a closer feel to your heart than others?

Speaker 6 It doesn't get harder and harder because we're always observing as artists, you know, we're always evolving, one would hope.

Speaker 6 So it's not harder. You just are changing your perspective.

Speaker 6 I think if anything, there's just a little, it's not so much that there's more thought, but now that you're older, you realize the weight of words.

Speaker 6 And now that we've all been on the internet for a while, you know, if I say this, it's going to be out there forever.

Speaker 6 Your perspective broadens. When my first special was somewhere in my 20s, and so it's a limited scope of what you can fully comprehend.
It's not about being stupid or something.

Speaker 6 It's just about like your life experiences. And then, so we just got, I have different things to talk about.
at 42 than I did at whatever, 28 or whenever that first one came out. And so, yeah.

Speaker 1 Do you enjoy writing more jokes about like being a mom and a parent versus like

Speaker 1 a lot of your specials back in the day talked about dating

Speaker 1 and going out there as a single woman?

Speaker 6 I mean, there's still the observations about men and women, but it's less about dating and it's more about explaining why we do the things that we do, a little bit of insight into our thought process.

Speaker 6 In this special, I don't really have any jokes about being a mom.

Speaker 6 It's something that I'm wrestling with as a quasi-new mom because it's a hard thing to depart from all the things you've ever talked about to being like, and now mom jokes.

Speaker 6 And so the commentary is really more on the experience versus like, and my kids said the funniest thing.

Speaker 6 And a big part of it is I don't really want, I'm reticent to share a lot about it because I'm still not sure about how I'm feeling.

Speaker 6 Like becoming a mother is such a life altering, shattering, affirming, incredibly beautiful, painful thing all at once. And so I'm still processing it.
And so I want to be respectful of that.

Speaker 6 And I don't want to say anything that I might regret later just because I was feeling it in the moment because I'm so protective of my children. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So yeah. Did you always want to be a mom or did the desire for children come later in life?

Speaker 6 I have to think that other women feel this way. I, first of all, my mom had me a little bit later in life.
I think like in her mid-30s, but not like in her 20s.

Speaker 6 So to me, it was always very normal to have kids later. And my mom never pressured me.
Like my family never said anything. So it was never like, when am I going to do it?

Speaker 6 And I just kind of always knew in the back of my mind, like, yeah, one day you'll have a little girl and maybe and like a little boy. One day you'll have kids.
I just knew that I would.

Speaker 6 Like there's just things that you know intrinsically, inherently. You're like, I'll just do that one day.
Like one day I'll run a 5K. That's not me.

Speaker 1 That's like other people.

Speaker 6 Who cares?

Speaker 6 And so it was something that I wanted. And then when we got married, we were like, all right, well, let's be married for a little, we'll get around to it.

Speaker 6 But I never felt that the age was prohibiting me from accomplishing that. I mean, eventually it will.
It's going to get a lot harder

Speaker 6 the longer you wait. But I just knew that I would come into it.
At some point.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You also had a bit in your special that was about telling women that like men don't care.
And my boyfriend really appreciated that because you were sitting there being like, no, I'm disgusting.

Speaker 1 No, like, don't touch me. And it's like, because you think that they're thinking so many things.
You think that they're like, I haven't shaved my legs. And please don't look at them.

Speaker 1 I haven't shaved my legs.

Speaker 6 He's like, I don't, do you have, do you have legs?

Speaker 1 I haven't.

Speaker 1 They haven't been looking at us, honestly.

Speaker 6 Now everyone will be like, people without legs also have sex for sure. But guys don't.
It's just about all the things that we are conditioned to think matter.

Speaker 6 And on some level might might for your own self-esteem. But like most guys, who's just like, I didn't even know you had hair.
Yeah. I didn't even know you had eyes.
I'm glad you're here. So.

Speaker 1 Yeah. But how did you come up with your style of comedy? Because you are like a storyteller.
You kind of take us all on a ride of like what's going on with you from the beginning to the end.

Speaker 1 And it always has like callbacks. You're just like,

Speaker 1 and I think you're always like educating us. And I really do appreciate that.

Speaker 6 Teach the babies.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 I mean, look, I didn't invent the callback. You know, that's, to me, that's, maybe it's old school, but I think that's a very polished way to end something.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think it is kind of old school. I love it.

Speaker 6 I love it because it shows that you put thought into it because I do think of it as a body of work. I think of this as a piece of art.
I don't think of it as, I know it's a piece of art.

Speaker 6 You know, you're constructing these ideas and these vignettes. And I've just been doing this for 20 years.
And so it's just evolved.

Speaker 6 I came across some like camcorder footage of me doing stand-up and I, when I was younger, and it's for what it was at the time, it's like, okay, but you know, it's, it's pretty unwatchable.

Speaker 6 I just like, I love sketch comedy growing up. And so for me, when I tell a story, I'm not, uh, I'm not like a setup punch kind of comic.
I am creating a scene and I see it so vividly in my head.

Speaker 6 And I am just trying to act out what I see in my head. And I think if I hunch over, if I do a voice, it will, it will create that image for you guys as well.
And so.

Speaker 6 It's just me deeply wanting to convey the story and the scene that's in my head.

Speaker 1 Even if I don't look like it.

Speaker 1 Did you, when you saw that old video, think about

Speaker 1 all the things that you had to go through between that person and today? And had you known all the obstacles you'd have to overcome, would that person still have tried

Speaker 1 what you've accomplished? Does that make sense?

Speaker 6 Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I mean, obviously, if we could all go back, we'd flat iron our hair so much less.

Speaker 6 Maybe I wouldn't, you know.

Speaker 1 To not tweeze so much of our eyebrows.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 6 I see, my, I'm older than you, so tweezing was in the 90s when i was too young to do it and then it wasn't a thing but i do i did it is a young person thing you've got great eyebrows though yeah i guess i missed the missed the tweezing note i was thinking about that one which is not your question i think there is the beauty in being younger is that you don't you truly don't know what you don't know and you think you know everything and so it is in that gorgeous ignorance that you dare to try because if you did know how hard it was then you would be paralyzed like now that we see all those pitfalls pitfalls, but there is a strength in just going.

Speaker 6 No one said I couldn't do stand-up. No one said I could.
I just did it. And I didn't have anyone to look up to or imitate.
So I just sort of made it up as I went along.

Speaker 6 And then you sort of become your own little micro blueprint. So there is something, you know, you get comics that are like, oh, growing up, I watched Richard Pryor.

Speaker 6 I watched, you know, just, and they just name these comics. And I didn't.
I watched sketch and I had comedians, like funny people that I liked. And so I was just sort of doing it

Speaker 6 because I didn't know that I couldn't.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Does your daughter know that you're famous and funny and cool? Well, I don't think she clicks.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I made sure to tell her.

Speaker 1 I was like, just know mommy's really famous.

Speaker 6 She doesn't know. I don't think she has a comprehension of like what fame is, but I took her on the road this weekend.

Speaker 6 I had some shows in Florida that like basically rounded out the American leg of the get-ready tour, which I'd been on for like a year. And I took her and I let her open the show.

Speaker 6 I let her say like, hi, hi, Tampa. You're here to see my mommy.
And I let her run run on stage for a second. I don't post pictures of her.
So this is, the stage was dark. I let her run on stage.

Speaker 6 And she ran on stage. And for the few people that were looking at the stage, they started clapping.
So she runs back. I go, go out again.
So she runs out again.

Speaker 6 And more people clap, you know, and I let her go a third time. And I saw the look on her face when she put two and two together.
Like, if I come out here,

Speaker 6 people will cheer. Doesn't this feel good?

Speaker 6 And the whole room of, you know, this is like 1800 people started applauding and she ran back. And it was such a beautiful beautiful moment just to see that.
And then she was like, again.

Speaker 6 And I was like, we don't overdo the bit.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's a rule of three.

Speaker 6 You don't go back out. Then it's weird.
And so that's very cute. It's, it was really cute.
I think she gets that I tell jokes, but I don't think she knows. Like, she doesn't know any different.

Speaker 6 She thinks this is a normal job.

Speaker 1 Right. Wow.

Speaker 1 Did you finish season two of Severance?

Speaker 6 I did.

Speaker 1 Were you satisfied with the ending?

Speaker 6 Yeah. The ending of Severance season two was what we've all been waiting for.
Are you guys Severance fans? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we are. This is a Severance podcast.

Speaker 6 Don't see it. It's too late for you.

Speaker 1 You haven't watched it? You can't catch up. You should just watch it.
Some people are pissed and they're going to be. Oh, wait, you haven't seen it or you don't watch it.

Speaker 1 I haven't seen it, but I'm not going to watch it.

Speaker 6 So okay, you're, you're not, it's too much. Yeah.
It's too much. We waited.
And also as fans, like, we waited so long for that season two. The last episode was what we, because it was a slow burn.

Speaker 6 It was a real hang of a show. It's like a white lotus set in an office.
Like, it is just a hang.

Speaker 1 I mean, basically, it'll take you the whole first season to even know what's going on. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 6 And then, you know, halfway through season two, you're like, do they know what's going on? Like, how's this goat going to come back?

Speaker 6 So I think that episode was well worth the wait.

Speaker 1 Okay. I was, I was very satisfied.
Some people were mad about anymark, but people like to get mad.

Speaker 6 No one's ever like, that's exactly what I wanted. So perfect.

Speaker 1 But yeah, it felt like the people, the ending they wanted would have just ended the show. Right.
What do you want?

Speaker 6 You want to, they want what I want is like a full

Speaker 6 like dogma explanation of like, what is Kier? What are these beliefs? Who had those paintings made?

Speaker 6 what's with the goats what else is happening i think they did a pretty good job of the alternate reality thing are you watching white lotus too yep and are you

Speaker 1 i wasn't getting like emotional no yeah i was like oh my god you hit our heart it wasn't bad for that third friend they're married to no i just we don't have to talk about it no spoilers you guys uh yeah are you guys white lotus yeah you feeling good about that we just we just watched last night the most recent episode i think the part that hits home the hardest i'd be really weird if I related to Saxon at all, is the three best friends because you cannot have female friendships in threes.

Speaker 6 Don't DM me like me and my friends, and we aren't. You can't.
There's always like the little side conversations.

Speaker 1 The friends that DM you being like, no, but my friend group, it's like, call me an ear. Yeah, call me an ear.
Women always

Speaker 1 have one real best friend. Yeah, there's always two that are closer.
You know, like there's always one person in a group of three that's like not really in the mix.

Speaker 1 They're just kind of like along for the ride. Also, what's her name?

Speaker 6 Carrie, what's the actress?

Speaker 1 Carrie Kuhn.

Speaker 6 There's so much fruit in this show.

Speaker 6 All anybody eats is fruit. And I get that we're in Thailand.
Like you're going to have diarrhea. And everybody, no one's eating real food at any point.
It's always fruit.

Speaker 6 And she's, she has so much fruit at breakfast and it's just chunks of melon.

Speaker 6 And you know that that is not the first take. And they are just eating melon and tropical fruits at every meal, like fruititarian.

Speaker 1 It looks like a lot of cantaloupe, which

Speaker 1 I am personally upset by because I don't feel like it is a real fruit. I love cantaloupe.
I love good cantaloupe. We get a lot of fun.
So you love, you you love like salad.

Speaker 6 Folks, turn up your turn up your podcast right now. Get ready.

Speaker 1 Fuck, fuck. Say, like, you take your kids to a restaurant and you're looking at the menu and you're like, hmm, what am I going to get them?

Speaker 1 Okay, we'll do like, we'll do this fruit plate maybe for the kids. And it's a bunch of melon that you're supposed to give your.
14-month-old son.

Speaker 6 We know it's going to be melon. And it's not a fruit plate.
It's, do you want fries, salad, or fruit? I'm like, let's get the fruit because someone will eat this because they don't know any better.

Speaker 6 But I will tell you, my husband is a chef and cookbook author and just like a food person.

Speaker 6 So he was the first one to like expose me to like how great a real melon, like an in-season, hyper-seasonal melon can be like locally grown here.

Speaker 1 I've never had one. Outstanding.
They're all hard, I feel like.

Speaker 6 That's because you get them at Ralph's. And look, there's no shame in that.
And you get a ripe one. It's great.
But there are so many different kinds of melon that are in micro climates and grown.

Speaker 6 And so if you go to farmers market, go to like some of those guys that really specialize in it. And it's really incredible.

Speaker 6 People give a lot of shit to cantaloupe and honeydew because it's always there. You get a good one, outstanding.

Speaker 1 Do we think Patrick Schwarzenegger's character is going to be the killer?

Speaker 6 Oh, can I? So, I have a thought. Yeah.
That's your theory. Well, in the so I call it a sample.
Like, at the end, when they show the preview for next week, I get very excited about my sample.

Speaker 6 Like, weird about it. They showed a body bag and you could tell by the size of it who it wouldn't be.
Like, it seemed like maybe slightly smaller.

Speaker 6 I think the guy that dies is the husband, the wrinkly husband, the old husband.

Speaker 1 Greg?

Speaker 6 The one that was married to Jennifer Coolidge. Greg.

Speaker 1 Yes, Gary. I don't know anyone's name on the show.
Gary.

Speaker 1 Sorry. Greg, Gary, Glenn, Ross.

Speaker 6 Yeah,

Speaker 6 I think it's him because he's of slight build.

Speaker 1 Okay. And I looked at that body bag.
Cousin Rico. Did you pause?

Speaker 6 No, but I just clocked it. Yeah.
If there's one thing I can do, it's clock a dead body.

Speaker 1 Do you know if there's any misdirect, maybe?

Speaker 6 Well, it's a body bag.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but like they could have just

Speaker 6 a body bag. You can't plant a body bag.

Speaker 1 Do you, I think, it's from like NCIS.

Speaker 6 They just like cut in a scene.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It's just the next show like coming up after White Lotus.
I feel like Patrick Schwarzenegger's career is about to skyrocket after this.

Speaker 1 Like, I feel like he's going to be, he's going to be the new Brandon Sklinar or Glenn Powell who's in every fucking show and every movie. And you're like, oh my God, I can't get enough of this guy.

Speaker 1 Maybe. He's taking off.
He plays the character really well. Really well.

Speaker 6 We've all met Saxon. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Some people are convinced he's just playing himself, though. But it'll be interesting to see what his next role is.
I've never met him, so I don't know what his real personality is.

Speaker 6 I walked in behind him at CBS News two weeks ago in New York, and I I was like about to say something, and I was like, we don't know each other. We have no camera.

Speaker 1 How much is gate?

Speaker 6 I barely saw it. I was, because I was getting out of my own car, but I just, it's like that thing where you're like, should I say, and like, he doesn't know you.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to go. I watch White Lotus.
Like, oh.

Speaker 1 It's also hard when you have to like explain. Like, anytime other room.

Speaker 1 So we host a podcast. It's called Firefalls.
And it's like, I know everyone hosts a podcast these days, but it's actually kind of big. Yeah.
A lot of people.

Speaker 1 Just let go of my arm.

Speaker 1 You're breathing too close to my face.

Speaker 6 I do get the, I get the sense. I could be wrong.
Like everybody on that show is always, for every season, impeccably cast. And it does strike me because it's like an actor's actor show.

Speaker 6 I do feel like people have to read for that show. I don't know if they offer any of those roles.
Like those things feel like hard-won parts. Like you acted your heart out to get that.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 I just think everybody's so perfect on that show that they just seem like they were born for that role.

Speaker 1 Sometimes I think about like you know, that'll always be like casting by and it'll say their name like in the credits. I'm always like, what if I just DM'd them?

Speaker 2 I was like, hey, do you, would you want me for anything?

Speaker 1 Well, here's the thing. My Instagram pics.

Speaker 6 But here's the thing that people I think don't really know in Hollywood. Like, a casting director can only get you the read.
It's the producer that gives you the role.

Speaker 6 Like, they can just aggregate like who they think would be right for this, but at the end of the day, it's not casting.

Speaker 1 It's Mike White who's saying, like, yes and no to everybody. Sure.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I mean, they have to weigh in, but it's not the casting. All they can do is get you the read.

Speaker 1 When Parker Posey's character was trying to convince,

Speaker 1 like, are you okay?

Speaker 1 I know some real eligible men.

Speaker 1 She's like, I love him. It's like, there's no way.

Speaker 1 I love Rupert. Yeah, I love Rupert.

Speaker 6 That North Carolina accent, at first, I was like, it's not my favorite accent. They do it incredibly well, especially not Chris Isaac, what's his name? Jason Isaac, who's like British, nails it.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 The North Carolina accent is low. It's like this.
And I'm from Texas, so I know the difference. And I'm always want to hear it.
I'm just like, okay. Like, it's always Tar Hills.

Speaker 6 Like, it's just, it's a low one. It really is.

Speaker 1 It is hard to get a southern accent right but theirs is in particular it's down there

Speaker 6 and so i can i can hear it i can i can hear when someone's from texas because i am but north carolina it's own it's its own thing it's almost like a valley accent it's really

Speaker 1 very good

Speaker 1 for sure

Speaker 1 anyway you see that duke is like pissed off that they're like portraying duke

Speaker 6 and it is they get so look i play north carolina a lot shout out to you raleigh and durham and charlotte those shows are always amazing but like they get very like it is duke versus north carolina

Speaker 1 get over everyone was like this is so duke like for duke to do

Speaker 1 so duke yeah duke would be popping his wife's pills duke would not be paying their taxes tax evasion that's what you learned there that business school don't cheap out the government where'd you go to school uh wisconsin state university of yeah university wisconsin yeah and then Milwaukee.

Speaker 1 They're both.

Speaker 6 In Madison.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 And I've played there many times. It is so idyllic.
It is so pretty there.

Speaker 1 Where do you like better, Madison or Milwaukee?

Speaker 6 I guess I haven't been to Madison in a while. I mean, I think Milwaukee is a bigger market.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, but they're both great.

Speaker 6 I mean, Wisconsin fans turn up.

Speaker 1 Do you have, have you played anywhere in like Alabama?

Speaker 1 You have? Yeah. I've played all over.

Speaker 6 I've been doing this for a very long time.

Speaker 1 Every state you played.

Speaker 6 No, that is a bucket list thing. There are certain states it's hard to get a gig that's worth going.

Speaker 6 Um, so I think there's five states. Like, I've never played Wyoming, uh, but I have played Montana, which is weird.
Um, I've never, I've never played Alaska, which a lot of comics have.

Speaker 6 New Mexico is a tough one to route, um, and I'm blanking on the other one, but uh, like Jackson Hall, is it just because everyone there is rich and boring and doesn't want to laugh?

Speaker 6 No, it's not about that, it's about like having a performing arts center that

Speaker 6 would give you the deal that makes it worth it. And it's not always about like if there's people, it's about like what's the offer, what's the gig, how what's the capacity? Is there a club?

Speaker 6 Is there a venue? What's the play? So, there's a lot of factors in. Can I tack it onto a vacation?

Speaker 1 Right, right, right. How did you meet your husband?

Speaker 6 On Raya. Everybody asks this.
It's on a dating app, but we've been married for so long. It's like, I don't know.

Speaker 1 How long have you been married?

Speaker 6 I don't know.

Speaker 1 But long enough that it's like long enough that you forgot.

Speaker 6 We met on Rya, seven years, I think. We met on Raya when it was like first out.

Speaker 1 I was going to say, Raya hasn't been around that long.

Speaker 6 Well, because I think it's changed. Like, I don't know what it is now,

Speaker 6 but it was like for artists.

Speaker 1 Yeah, at first on the entertainment.

Speaker 6 And at first, like it was like they're just trying to get people yeah on it you know I think too for dating apps it's always like men kind of get a pass they're like this is for artists and but but but you guys could come on we need we need men here

Speaker 6 and so he was on there and I'm and that was it we met what was your first date our first date was

Speaker 6 I we we texted for a little bit and I remember thinking like this guy's it felt he felt so comfortable and he was so funny and not like annoying funny like I'm fine to laugh at someone else.

Speaker 6 Like I definitely like don't need to like be the star. And he was like suggested a movie, which now that I know him, I like never want to see movies.
And he's like a huge cenophile.

Speaker 6 But I suggested this documentary that had come out before you think I'm like too cool for school. It was called Tickled and it was about the world of competitive tickling.

Speaker 6 And I was like, well, this is interesting.

Speaker 1 This is playing in like a theater?

Speaker 6 This is playing, it was called like Lemly Sunset 5, or was the Lemley, now it's just Sunset 5. It was like, you know, a small documentary.
And I was like, this will be cool.

Speaker 6 And it turned out to be a very dark, homoerotic expose on the world of like the sexual underbelly of competitive tickling. Not what I thought it was going to be, but like kind of hot.

Speaker 1 Is there any other kind of tickling? Is there any other kind?

Speaker 6 Who else doesn't get turned on?

Speaker 6 And so we went and he talked throughout the whole movie. And I thought it was so cute because he seemed nervous.
And then the movie ended.

Speaker 6 And I was like, hey, I have to go do a set because I had planned it. And like in case he was a dud, I'd be like, well, I've got a set.
But I liked him. And I was like, I've got a set.

Speaker 6 And it's at my friend's bar. And if this works out, you're going to have to see the act at some point.
So he came. I did my set.
And I knew he was a good one because my friend gave him a drink ticket.

Speaker 6 And I was like, you you can go get a drink because i don't drink before i go on stage and he goes no i'll wait for you and he didn't have his drink until i got done

Speaker 6 and then we took some muscle relaxers and got drunk yeah

Speaker 1 now we have two babies

Speaker 1 he cooks everything yeah that's so nice so so does nick yeah cooks everything you love cooking i love cooking yeah i don't care i'm not a professional chef but well then i don't why are we talking about this you better be professional chef because we can't talk about it

Speaker 1 he is

Speaker 1 so picky and particular in how he likes his food prepared and cooked.

Speaker 6 Like, you like your grilled cheese cut up into squares?

Speaker 1 No crust. Yeah, yeah.
I'm not a crust kid. Like, what?

Speaker 6 Like, what do you mean?

Speaker 1 I just think there's a certain way of doing things, right? The first time he came to visit me, I was living in Savannah, Georgia, and I was like... Played there.

Speaker 6 I was actually just there.

Speaker 1 Really? Yeah. Oh, my God.

Speaker 6 Johnny T.

Speaker 3 Mercer Theater.

Speaker 1 Is that right? Yeah. Oh, how fun.
So he was coming to visit me, and I was like talking to my mom. I'm like, I think he has like kind of a late flight.
Like, I should just like have a meal prepared

Speaker 1 for him. A ribbon in my hair.
Yes, with a ribbon in my hair. And I was like, I think I'm going to cook him like chicken, sweet potato, and

Speaker 6 real accent. Ham.
Ham. For my king.

Speaker 1 Ham for my king. And I'm making sweet potato and Brussels sprouts.
And my mom was like, oh, you should do like goat cheese and balsamic vinaigrette on the Brussels sprouts. He'll be like so impressed.

Speaker 1 That's the 90s. You should totally make that.
And I was like, ooh, okay. He'll think I'm such a like cook chef.

Speaker 1 And I did. I had it all prepared.

Speaker 1 He came home from, we came home from the airport and he looked at it and i ate it he had like one brussels sprout that's right you did the smallest amount of sweet potato

Speaker 1 he's literally choking it down and i'm like are you okay he's like i actually um hate sweet potatoes and i hate brussels sprouts with all this shit in it i just like plain

Speaker 1 you said hate hate and i literally was like i will never do this again perfect did i say hate or did you hear hate hate you said i definitely heard hate how she prepared you a meal since Like a whole meal?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Without me being involved? Yeah.

Speaker 6 Tell me you just cook for yourself and she cooks for the family. Like tell me, it's like daddy's going to be in the kitchen alone.

Speaker 1 No, I cook for everybody. Do you grill? Yeah.

Speaker 6 I got to get you a copy. My husband's writing a grill cookbook that comes out next year.
I would love that.

Speaker 1 I know. I love to grill.
Okay.

Speaker 6 What kind of smoke are you working with?

Speaker 1 Gas. Gas.
Gas is good.

Speaker 1 Gas is good. Okay.
He makes an insane steak. Yeah.
On the

Speaker 1 insane steak. Yeah, I'm okay.
The steak's just like, wow, I'm very good at cooking

Speaker 1 what I know how to cook. Like, what I know how to cook is very good.
You know, it's about six things.

Speaker 1 They're on rotate. Well, since I've been criticized with everything

Speaker 1 I've done, yes. Okay.
I cook for her. Everything.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Every, she is very

Speaker 1 good. All the macaroni and cheese, all the cheese quesadillas, all of it.

Speaker 6 They love a cheese quesadilla. I don't like cooking, and it's not like a feminist thing.
It just like doesn't, to put it in the internet, like doesn't spark joy.

Speaker 6 Like my husband had to make, he went out of town today and he cooked like six chicken breasts last night. And he was like, if I don't cook these, she won't eat.

Speaker 6 Cause I'm just like, I'll just eat a cold chicken breast. Like someone bulking up for a high school wrestling team, like just out of the fridge and some baby carrots.
Wow. It just doesn't, the idea.

Speaker 6 Like I only recently was like, I will make eggs and I will put some and I will not burn them.

Speaker 1 Like I just. If I leave town, it's Chick-fil-A or Thai over there.
Oh, yeah. I'm definitely temperate sing

Speaker 1 constantly. Where do you guys get time for a meal? What's that place, Sierra? Chain My Thai.
Chain My Tie.

Speaker 6 You ever go to Anna Jack?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 6 Definitely vote best restaurant in LA.

Speaker 6 It's like a night market, which I know they probably are like, hey, it's not like each other, but it's like cool guy, like natural wines. The food is outstanding.
You got to go. Go on a date night.

Speaker 6 Do not bring your child.

Speaker 1 Oh, perfect.

Speaker 6 Do not bring that baby. Nobody wants to see that baby.

Speaker 1 Nobody wants to see that baby. No one wants to hear that baby crying.
Nobody wants to see that baby.

Speaker 6 You've got to go. They do like a Thai taco Tuesday, and then all the food is just, go in another couple and be prepared to like.

Speaker 6 whip yourself into a whirling dervish of like natural wines and spicy food.

Speaker 1 It's so fun. Do you enjoy going in public with your children? I do.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 I do. I mean, look, the little one is so little.
And so it's like, I guess you're just like in a thing, but I love taking my daughter.

Speaker 6 And we, you know, we don't, we let her sit at the table and she kind of just joins us in the conversation. She's not an iPad baby.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 6 And she just sits there and she eats a lot of sour cream, but we like to,

Speaker 6 I'm just so proud of her. And it's like being out with her and I'm just enjoying it.
And she won't be little forever.

Speaker 1 What's her name? Then you hit a wall.

Speaker 6 Sierra.

Speaker 1 The most beautiful name in the world. It's a great one, yeah.
Did you already know that?

Speaker 6 By the way, it's great for an hour, and then it's like, okay, you know what? You're tired.

Speaker 1 We're going to go. So we went to the mall recently.
Why? Well, you know, we were

Speaker 1 to look around. It was like we'd been in the house for a long time and it was like, let's just get everyone out of the house.
You went to Sportsman's Lodge? No.

Speaker 1 We do go to the Sportsman's Lodge. It's there.
It is there. It is there.
But River really wanted to go on the escalator. It was like...
huge addiction to the escalator.

Speaker 1 And so many fits, tantrums were occurring when we were not allowing her. And Nick was like, We just got, we have to go home.
We just have to get out of here.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, I don't think she'll ever learn how to be in public if we don't take her in public.

Speaker 6 Oh, they just, they get tired. And you're like, you're being bad.
It's like, oh, no, you're tired. I took her on the road this weekend.

Speaker 6 And so I did tell her, I was like, you've got to carry your own boarding pass and you've got to carry your little suitcase. So she's like walking with it through the airport and it's adorable.

Speaker 6 No spatial awareness, just like running into crotches, like left and right. But we got on the escalator.
So that's me with my backpack, her car seat on my back, my bag, also her bag.

Speaker 6 And I'm like, okay, we're going to jump. And it's like your whole core.
And I get her on the escalator and then she just starts to drift up. And I was like, fuck, I have to be with you.

Speaker 6 And so it was just me leaping over steps to get her. And it was very sweet because other moms are like, I got her if you need it.

Speaker 1 I've got her.

Speaker 6 Like people leap into action when they see you like deeply struggling. And it was fine.
You want to, you want.

Speaker 1 She conquered. I don't remember the last time we were, we just were killing time walking around the mall with no agenda and it felt

Speaker 1 terrifying. Yeah, Nick was pissed.
He was like, We have to get the fuck out of here. We are all right.
But then we bought a lalabo diptyque. Uh, then I lost it.
How do you lose the large candle?

Speaker 1 Yeah, because we were walking around the mall. We set it down.
We set it down. We set it down, and then his mom goes, Don't forget the candle.
And then he, of course, forgot the candle.

Speaker 1 It's giving expensive mistakes. So I went back and bought another candle.
It's giving a cowboy hat on top of the car. Oh,

Speaker 1 gosh.

Speaker 1 Yeah. But I, so I can't.
And I can't went back to the story. He's like, You want another one? I'm like, yep.

Speaker 6 Just here to get another $85.

Speaker 1 I didn't even look at the price. I didn't even want to look at it.
Just don't let it ruin my day. Don't check that credit card statement.

Speaker 1 Having a slight, just a little extra disposable income allows me to not worry about if I lost something.

Speaker 6 Why is the candle, why are candles so expensive?

Speaker 1 It's a great question. Why is cologne? It's the same reason, probably, why perfume and cologne is for no reason?

Speaker 6 It's not.

Speaker 6 Because really good perfume has to be, that is thousands and thousands of flowers crushed down to make like half an ounce of fragrance if it's nice versus like garbage that's like half water.

Speaker 6 Oh, I know that.

Speaker 6 But yeah, like when you get like the essence of something, when you get really nice perfume, like this is pounds and pounds of flowers and essences and things that have to like, that is, that are crafted.

Speaker 6 The candle, I mean, maybe if it's beeswax, you got to harvest the wax or if it's soy, I don't know. But like some of these candles are just

Speaker 6 like $800 for a big thing.

Speaker 1 You're like, what are we doing here?

Speaker 6 Who's going to disrupt this industry?

Speaker 1 Even at Marshalls, it used to be like $10 for like a large candle. And you're like, yes, steel.
Now you go go there and it's like $25.

Speaker 6 So I haven't been back since. Listen to me.
You don't want a $10 candle.

Speaker 6 We're past that. Now we know.
We talked about this, I think, before how it could. You don't want a cheap candle.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I do have a loose bunch.

Speaker 6 You say soy only? I think it's supposed to be soy-only. There's like a clean burn way to do it.
And there's a way that they're supposed to burn.

Speaker 1 Like there's a whole art to it. Like you're supposed to cut the wicks after each other.
Bought one. I bought a wick cutter.

Speaker 6 And. So my friend owns this candle company called Dev Candle Co.
She used to, yeah, and they make these beautiful and they come in cement cylinders and they're really clean.

Speaker 6 And I read the website i guess to extinguish a flame you're supposed to dip the wick into the wax so there's no smoke and then it just comes back up and i guess you pull it back up you're supposed to with your fingers i don't know yeah i didn't get that part because it feels but if you blow it then there's smoke but if you dip it no smoke extinguished immediately

Speaker 1 try on and then the uh follow me for more hacks cut on how to tread and then cut wick because then it gets like big and bubbly at the top mushrooming you don't want it to mushroom mushrooming.

Speaker 1 Holy fuck, you are so knowledgeable.

Speaker 6 I'm here to sell my candles.

Speaker 1 You guys, I know, I don't.

Speaker 6 I have them on tour, but it's not a candle company.

Speaker 6 But yeah, I just happen to know that.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 6 Because it is ugly. It is.

Speaker 1 The more you know. I felt like I just.
This is why you watch your comedy specials. You learn things.

Speaker 6 There's actually a whole thing at the end, like a whole appendix at the end where I just give like tips and tricks on how to burn candles.

Speaker 1 That's where people fall. Well, the special is called A Different Animal.
It's out on Amazon Prime. Check it out, Eliza.
This has been so much fun. This was so casual.

Speaker 6 Thank you for having me to your vitamin company.

Speaker 1 Thank you for being here. Sure, I'm not sure if you're in the cause.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. Remember that? I remember it.

Speaker 1 Sugar rare. Anything else you want to plug while you're here?

Speaker 6 I have a podcast, and I always forget to plug it. For more tips and tricks on how to be a human, I actually have a podcast called Ask Eliza Anything.

Speaker 6 We do live tapings, and it is the podcast where the listeners are the guests.

Speaker 6 So people write in questions from all over the world, things that you're afraid to ask your friends and your families and your loved ones. And we give you.
the truth that you need to know.

Speaker 6 Oh, me and my co-host, Emily, but I'm the star.

Speaker 1 Okay, perfect. It's fine.

Speaker 1 Well, they say don't meet your heroes, but she's one of mine. And that was everything for me.
So thank you for making that happen. It was so cute after we wrapped.

Speaker 1 You're like, can I please have a picture? Oh, yeah. And she was like,

Speaker 1 do you want to come to a show? And like, you could send me an email. I go, I'll meet, I'll email you.

Speaker 1 I mean, watch her special, but like that movie that she did with Tyler Cameron that's on Netflix, I forget the name.

Speaker 1 Good on paper. It's a good movie.
It's a dark comedy. And it's a very much

Speaker 1 very true, well, based on a true story. If you love a true crime, like, you know, man fakes or lies about his identity, like, it's, it's, it's, it's a doozy.
You should check it out.

Speaker 1 Thanks for listening. Guys, next week, we have a great week lined up for you, as always.
But our going deeper episode is a real banger. Your jaws will be dropped.
Mary is like,

Speaker 1 it was real, real good. Remember that one part was wild.

Speaker 1 Oh, when she talked about that phone call? Yeah, that phone call. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Gasping.

Speaker 1 I just want to say that I am glad that my opinions have been confirmed.

Speaker 4 You are vindicated a bit.

Speaker 1 Told you so. Anyways, we'll see you next week.
Bye.