E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm

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You're crazy what's going on everybody welcome back to another exciting episode of the valve files reality recap edition i am your host nick and boy do we have a jam-packed week lined up for you guys and a great episode excited to be getting into it with you guys uh excited are you struggling to say y'all i feel like sometimes it's not like well obviously it's not like it's not in my blood you know it's it's not who i am it's it's more who i want to be yeah it does feel like you try to say it, but then you're like,

you guys and everybody.

Yeah, you know,

it's a work in progress.

But I'm excited for y'all

to listen to this week.

Y'all, y'all, you guys.

It sounded real natural.

Yeah.

I feel like y'all is Midwest.

Y'all can be Midwest.

Y'all is not Midwest.

Definitely not Midwest.

I guess, yeah, you guys is very, I guess like the southern part of Midwest, like Missouri. You guys.
You guys. You guys.
You guys. You guys.
Yins. Get a little Pittsburgh in there.
Yeah. Use.
Use. That's very Midwest.
Use. Yeah.
Yeah. That's real.
Upper Wisconsin. Use guys going to game.
Use guys going? Oh, my God. That's way too much.
If you're saying use, you don't have to also say guys. Well, people do, though.
Erin Leachie and her husband Abe are joining us shortly to talk a little Bravo. Not only are they Bravo stars themselves, but they are also Bravo fans.
And they're here to talk a little summer house uh a little uh do they also watch southern charm too fun and a little white lotus they are also into prestige television the finale was last night we'll we'll get into our thoughts when uh aaron and abe join us like let's just are satisfied dissatisfied two thumbs down just Satisfied. Two thumbs yeah i think i'm i'm like it's marinating i'm i'm one thumb down one thumb up you know what i'm saying same yeah my big takeaway my big takeaway is like the big fans of prestige television like whoever they are you know obviously we cover a lot reality TV, we have our hardcore fans, but sometimes the hardcore fans of prestige television are really fucking obnoxious.
They take themselves very seriously. Every scene, any good scene, when Carrie Coon delivered that monologue at the end of the finale, and everyone's like, oh, give her the Emmy! every scene, there's a tweet that says, give someone an Emmy.
It's just like, maybe, you know, honestly, it was fine. It was totally fine.
She had a tear. It was a really good scene by Carrie Coon and maybe she will win an Emmy.
But like every episode, some fan of like this show is like, give him an Emmy. or it's like some critic is just like talking about

how that monologue didn't fit in this episode it was like I don't know you guys it's it's a

fucking show man just chill the fuck out people are saying they're like comparing every scene

with Rick and Chelsea to Meredith Grey's pick me choose me speech and they're like every time I see

Rick and Chelsea have a scene together it's giving me the same cringe as the pick me choose me speech

Thank you. Meredith Grey's pick me, choose me speech.
And they're like, every time I see Rick and Chelsea have a scene together, it's giving me the same cringe as the pick me, choose me speech. And I'm like, I think they're so lovely together.
You think Chelsea and Rick are lovely together? Oh my God. Oh my God, love them.
They are love. They are love.
Bonnie and Clyde. Well, she was.
He was childhood trauma. She was love.
He was childhood trauma. He loved her.
He can't do that. No, he loved her.
He loved her. But he He couldn't get past himself I'm not saying it was healthy love He was troubled but he loved her We want everyone to feel About us No we don't give a fuck what people feel about us Not us just people We don't want someone to love us The way they loved each other all i'm going to say it was a therapist fault it was a therapist fault oh this yeah the stress for not to stress manage he said i need to talk to you right now it was very clear that is true in his eyes she was like and i'll be back in an hour it was like sit on this bench for one hour not like five minutes ten minutes like one whole hour would you tell someone like on the edge of a bridge to the other be back in an hour because this this man was on edge literally i don't know do you go back to the hotel that you threatened a man at after you threatened a man again mental health problems like he's not thinking he had to get he had to get chelsea yeah i got the love of his life chel breakfast.
She does. Can we talk about a couple White Lotus beeline stories? One, the one that Woody Harrison was supposed to play Walton's role.
Sam Rockwell. Sam Rockwell's.
He was apparently up for potentially one of the two. Now, allegedly, or not allegedly, apparently, not even apparently.
Is it apparently? I think it's apparently. Apparently.

Confirmed.

Confirmed that all the actors,

all the lead actors on White Lotus make the same.

That's like a Mike White rule or something.

Like he just, everyone, it's all fair and love in filming.

And the speculation was that Woody was like,

I'm Woody Harrelson.

You know, like, you know, I make 20 mil per movie or something.

I don't know if he actually said that.

But he came out and said that's not true.

He opted for a family vacation.

Yeah, he wanted the real thing. How family-oriented for him to be like, you know what? I'm going to turn down the hottest show to just go to, like, you know, a cabin with my family.
I'm glad it worked out the way it did. First of all, Walton and Sam were incredible in both these roles.
I don't think anyone could do better. And I'm a huge fan of Woody, but I think this show's beneath Woody.
No offense to White Lotus. I want to see good character actors that you've seen in a handful of shows like this, like Jason Isaac or up-and-comers like Patrick Patrick Schwarzenegger I think this show is about like showcasing talent that we've either not noticed or underappreciated like we don't need Woody Harrelson for this show like I just feel like it I mean Sam Sam Rockwell is is it is in is in Woody's conversation caliber he certainly is a caliber I think Sam still like flies under the radar sometimes unlike woody i don't know i was i think sam rockwell is one of like my dream guests in terms of our dream dream hangs like honestly just dream hangs i heard that sam rockwell when he was back in the day when he was like an up-and-coming actor he would come into an audition and act like he didn't have the sides like he didn't't have the script.
Yeah, the script, the sides. The sides, yeah.
He would get the script and he would act like he has to learn it on a fly, even though he's already practiced them. And he would come in and audition as if he just saw the script and giving them this impression that he just figured it out on the fly, which I thought was pretty badass.
And then my Woody Harrelson story, I don't know if I've ever told this story, but it's one of my life, it's one of my Hollywood regrets. Right after I was The Bachelor, I was on Jones on 3rd having a turkey sandwich, a turkey club sandwich in the corner by myself.
It was like right after The Bachelor season aired. And a man came up to me, tapped me on the shoulder, and it looked exactly like Woody Harrelson.
But it wasn't. It was his brother, according to this man.
And he was very nice and very lovely. And he's like, hi, I'm Woody Harrelson's brother.
And he's like, I watched you on The Bachelor, a big fan of the show. And he's like, hey.
And he offered me good weed. He offered me Woody Harrelson weed.
And I declined. I was kind of caught off guard.
This man looked exactly like Woody Harrelson.

Anyways, it's definitely a life regret.

I wish I would have not turned it down.

I wish I would have just said yes to this opportunity,

whether it's actually his brother or not,

and just like went with it. Because maybe no, I could be smoking buddies

with Woody Harrelson right now.

There was a headline about Turkish tourism set to collapse after Walton Goggins makes receding hairlines look kind of sexy. Does he though? And here's my take on this.
I think Walton Goggins wears his receding hairline and his bald spot with confidence. And well, he wears it well.
He wears it well. Is it receding hairlines? If they're sexy, what about bald spots? Is he also making bald spots sexy? Because he has a bit of both.
He does have a bit of both. I think it's less about making a receding hairline or a bald spot sexy.
And I think it's just Walton Goggins' absolute charisma and confidence and charm. Exactly.
So turkey's okay? We don't have to worry about i think turkey's i think turkey's fine

if the men just like wore their bald spots or receding hairlines with confidence or if they have such a big bald spot and they're just holding on to like barely anything it's like just go ahead and shave it off like just be bald some women love a bald man have you guys ever heard of um r slash bald it's a it's a reddit thread of guys it's the most wholesome reddit thread i've ever

seen Some women love a bald man Have you guys ever heard of r slash bald It's a Reddit thread of guys It's the most wholesome reddit thread I've ever seen Is it just a bunch of guys like cheerleading Yes it's being like you look so good dude Like this is awesome It's like bald guys posting pictures A friend told me about it I will say I have found myself on Toupee TikTok And it's the toupe queen who creates toupees for these men. And it's all these men.
They come in and they have, they definitely need some work done. And she attaches that toupee and she glues it down.
Is that the one where they glue on? They glue it on. I'm kind of into those videos.
And then she's like, no working out. You can't get that head hot.
And then the way that they try to like stick their fingers through it, but it's just like stiff, non-moving hair. It's interesting.
My sister's ex-fiancee did the glue toupee for a minute. Then he had a gambling problem and he couldn't afford it anymore.
So he had to let go of it. It does seem like an experience.
She was like, all right, well, if you do work out and you're in the sun a lot and your head sweats, you'll have to get it redone every two weeks. I was like, holy shit, two weeks.
I think just find this Reddit thread and just get some moral support. If you guys are struggling, r slash bald, it's a beautiful community.
Or go to Turkey. This story about the composer for White Lotus quitting, I'm triggered by it.
It's quite stupid. Why? It's just utter stupidity by this composer set your ego aside bro if I am understanding this story it's just like Mike White and this composer got together they changed the theme song for season 3 and then he wanted the full version released Mike White shot him down and now he got all mad about it and quit so like this is like dude you got hired by a show for a show to write for the show like it do your job and like set your ego aside and because like he got triggered it sounded like because when the episode one came out and the song came out everyone was like oh this isn't the like infamous or famous like white lotus song that we all loved and we all got excited about i'll tell you what though fucking love the new song.
It grew on me. I think it grew on a lot of people.
But it's always jarring at first when you're expecting one thing and you get another. And this guy got all salty about it.
And then now he's decided to announce publicly that he's quitting the show. Why would you want to work with that guy? If you're another showrunner a director why why would you want to bother like hiring someone who's just going to make your life more difficult i mean like it's a nice song but i bet there's other composers out there who can write music but i mean arguably you could say like his music made white lotus what it is popular for like the yeah he quotes it as the ululus where it's like everybody knows the ululus but it's like if he feels disrespected I don't think the composer made this show famous I think Mike White did it's definitely part well what Mike White has done correctly as the creator of White Lotus is understanding how to like bring the best people for the job into the scene I'm just saying like you know there, every season we get excited about various cast members.

We're talking about actors. We've, you know, Walton.
Walton. And we're talking about him in ways we haven't, you know, we've seen Walton in a lot of movies and a lot of shows.
He's in like almost every HBO show. He's been in a lot of great stuff.
I've been a fan of him for a long time. I've been a fan of him longer than I really knew his full name.
And it's shows like these that are popular in the zeitgeist of pop culture that really

make working actors... for a long time.
I've been a fan of him longer than I really knew his full name. And it's shows like these that are popular in the zeitgeist of pop culture that really

make working actors stars. And it's the whole show.
It's not just one person. But if there is

any one person, it's Mike White. It's not some composer for coming up with a catchy tune.

I bet they can find other composers that are coming up with catchy tunes. I don't know.
It's just a perfect example of one person allowing a moment to get to their head and act like a diva. To me, this is diva behavior by the composer.
It's also interesting because it's very common for these kinds of things to happen. Sometimes creative partnerships, you just don't click with people

and then it doesn't work out

and you do leave for creative differences.

But to go on a whole press tour

about it is a choice.

This composer is literally

trying to make it about them.

He's just out there

being kind of messy about it,

talking about how he didn't even

let Mike White know in person

that we're all kind of finding out

at the same time. Just because Mike didn't want to like drop the whole track on YouTube.
That's like, come on. That's so silly.
Parker Posey also forgot who died. Yeah, girl.
I actually don't. I don't believe that.
I think she just said that. And we just believe it because it's Parker Posey.
Charlotte LeBron, who plays Chloe, Greg's girlfriend, did say that like everyone's going to hate Mike White. and a lot of people had strong feelings about it but yeah I wasn't very happy with the finale I will say by I was expecting a lot more as expecting a lot more as like I just think you can't top the yacht scene with Jennifer Coolidge last season it was epic and I'm just sorry this one short for me.
The backtracking is what got me.

Did you guys see that headline of Eric Conover, the New York City real estate agent? I'm obsessed with this story. Is now being charged.
He's being charged with attempted murder after allegedly striking a police officer with his car. Why are you obsessed with this story? I'm just fascinated by someone.
I think when it comes to the celebrity public figure space, I think it's a mix of incredibly normal people who have either incredible talent or had some luck and made, you know, made something work, you know, or people who are just psychopaths who know how to lie and manipulate other celebrities to get access to them. This guy, he's filmed with Chris H filmed with like Chris Hemsworth and other like public figures.
He has this whole like YouTube platform. And the more we find out about this guy, this guy sounds like an absolute sociopath, like an absolute psycho.
He tried to run over a cop. I don't know.
There's this video of him talking about how he's going to eviscerate everyone with his intelligence. It just reminds me just how in Hollywood, like if you make it or if you make it a celebrity, it's like you feel very alone, right? You don't really know who to trust.
And whether you're like this, an A-list celebrity or a D-list celebrity, so much about making friends and who your circle of influence is, is about who you can trust or who can help you out. And then if you if you become like a famous person overnight, or, you know, like even if a reality TV star, you get a little celebrity, like even your friends or like, you know, family members, like cousins start treating you weird or differently, right? Because they don't really know how to be around celebrities, right? And so sometimes celebrities are looking for people who know how to act normal around them, right don't necessarily they don't want to become friends with fans they want to become friends with people who treat them as equals right that that allows a certain type of person to infiltrate these like celebrity circles sometimes because they're very good at like playing a role like the anna delvey story like that whole story was based around this character who could act the part who could like be in these rooms of super powerful super rich people and act like she belonged there and that kind of ability to do that allows certain types of people like it seems like this guy to you know to get someone like Chris Hemsworth to like trust him or like film with him because like Chris Chris is like, oh, this guy's a successful guy.
He has other successful friends. But there's a certain type of person who just lies through their teeth and they're total sociopaths and they get access to various celebrities.
I feel like every normal celebrity has had an interaction with a total sociopath because they thought they could be trusted or they acted the part. And I think this is the type of person that every once in a while reveals themselves to be like, oh, we should not have been fucking with that guy because it turns out they're a total sociopath and they're not who they said they were.
There's nothing authentic about them. They're just crazy as fuck and they've been lying lying the whole time.
100%. I mean, I think that exists everywhere, but I'm just like, even then his whole claim to fame was him trying to be a luxury real estate agent.
And he got really well known in 2018 because he started doing collaborations with Ryan Serhart, who does a million dollar listing for Bravo. So it's like an obviously when you're a luxury real estate agent, your Rolodex is going to be filled depending upon where you live, LA, New York, it's going to be filled with most likely celebrity clients because they can afford the real estate that you're trying to sell.
So in the process of that, not only, but I do think the thing that you need to be wary about are people that want to just be public figures. Like actors become famous because it's part of it, but it's like they're honing in on their skill, their craft.
And it just so happens to be in the public, you know, that the public needs to respond for them to be successful. But I'm like, when you're going out to be a public figure, like he documented his whole body change.
He got on Raya. I told you he matched with one of my roommates and he was willing to like fly her out and this whole thing.
And I was like, maybe not after watching a couple of his videos because he's very like, welcome to.

And I was just like, it's very like, what's his real personality?

You don't know.

So, yeah, he's put on an entire front this entire time as this like well put together luxury real estate agent.

And then obviously you saw the video after he was detained and this man is unhinged.

And he's literally sitting there saying that he wants to eviscerate people, that he's like... you saw the video after he was detained and this man is unhinged.

And he's literally sitting there saying that he wants to eviscerate people,

that he's like, if you want to test my competence, like literally threatening whoever is interrogating him.

So I'm just like, yes, exactly.

That I'm like, you have no idea who people actually are

based off of what they're putting out there,

wanting to become a public figure or wanting to become famous

without actually having a reason or like a passion or like a skill you know chris hemsworth

is like sitting there being like fuck like he's included in all of these videos everyone's like

all his buddies are sending him stuff he's like man i just like i don't know the guy picked me

up at the airport once or something but it is crazy that it has to go to like this extreme you

know usually it's like they maybe like steal your clothes or something and you're like what the fuck

Like,

Thank you. something but it is crazy that it has to go to like this extreme you know usually it's like they maybe like steal your clothes or something and you're like what the fuck like okay fuck this person i'm not talking but this guy is like running over a police officer like he's really he's doing crazy stuff and he got a dui in march like like a couple weeks prior to all of this so it's just like he's already been in trouble with the law and then once he got pulled over again, he's claiming that he's been sober for like over a thousand days, but then he ran over a cop while fleeing.
Was he drunk when he was running over the cop? I don't think he got charged with a DUI. He's just not mentally sane.
Just not all there. He's ordered to appear in court within 55 days for a competency hearing, and he will remain behind bars until then.
That's nuts. Yeah.
Well, like I said, we have a great episode for you. Erin Leachie and her husband Abe are joining us shortly.
And after that, we have the iconic Christina Hendricks is with us promoting her new show, Good American Family. It's out on Hulu.
It's a great, great show. Many of you are watching it it's that crazy story what's what's her name natalia was she a kid was she not a kid like what a crazy story and it's still it still seems like more things about the story are coming out like do we even really know what the actually truth truth of the story is it doesn't seem like we do i think she was definitely a kid okay i think that part was proven no we know that for sure she was older and yeah just been lying to her i don't know there's someone someone out there knows but it's not gonna be me anyway christina hendrix is with us to talk about our project and a little reality tv she's that happens to be a huge bravo fan excited to have christina as well later in the show.
Also tomorrow, we have a Going Deeper that... It's something.
Allie Luber is with us on Wednesday's Going Deeper to talk about her life, her experiences, her new show, and her relationship with James Kennedy that night that he was arrested. Her thoughts on James, her relationship, Lisa Vanderpump.
There is a lot there to unpack. You will not want to miss that episode.
We really appreciate Allie taking her time to be as vulnerable as she was and finally open up about that experience in great detail. That is tomorrow for Going Deeper.
Be sure to mark your calendars. You will not want to miss that episode.
I promise you. There was some jaw-dropping, like, oh my God.
I didn't think you were going to say that. And then she did.
And here we are. I do.
I have a speak. Is River asleep yet? No, she's not asleep.
She's got she's trying. River's she's getting older.
She's a little more personality, a little a little tougher to put down. But I got to say, I'm really I'm really enjoying my moments as a dad lately because she's River starting to connect, you know, with people outside of her mom.
And like one thing, you know, it's funny. I got I had an ASNIC caller call in the other day.
It was a young man. He was about to be a dad.
He's not that young. He's like 37.
And usually when people call him for ASNIC, it's just like they're stuck over some fuck boy or they're arguing with their mom or their friend or whatever. And there's some toxicity that we're trying to unpack and figure out.
And this guy's question was like, hey, I'm about to be a dad. I just like, you have any general advice for me? I was a little caught off guard because I was like, I don't, man, I don't know, man.
Like, what do you, uh, and so we, you know, I offered him some advice, but then I got done thinking about it after I got done with the call and it made me think of something I didn't share with him. And that is like, as a dad, you got to find, you got to find your thing early on to try to connect with your child.
Like with River, she's so close with Natalie. Natalie grew her in her body.
She's been connected with Natalie from the beginning. It's beautiful.
I love it. And like, as a dad, I've had to wait for that moment, right? And so for me, my thing, what I wanted is just to find my thing with River that she connected with me.
So that's why in the middle of the night, I tend to be the one to go up and get her. I put her to bed most nights because I wanted it to be that calming presence.
And that's just something we started doing, especially early on, Nellie just kind of alternated but as like Nellie got a little as River got older and was in her crib like I tended to be the one to put her down and my parents were visiting and so it was like oh mom do you want to like maybe put River down just just like spend some time with her before before you leave and my mom was like sure and then River started like crying and crying and crying. And she just was throwing a fit with my mom.
And I finally was like, all right, I'll go in there. I'll help her out.
And River just like threw herself at me and just like immediately went to sleep. And it was like this like, and she kind of, and she goes, hi, dada.
And it was like the best moment ever. And it was just like, it really finally, now that I'm like connecting with my daughter and then it made me sad i'm lying there with her she's going to sleep and it kind of made me sad because when you have a child for the first time every parent will oh my god this is so great it goes by fast it goes by fast and you're like you know it goes by fast but everyone's like telling you that and when you hear like the same thing over and over you're like yeah no yeah, no, I get it.
It goes by fast. But it really made me sad when like River like, you know, was like, hi, dada, because it made me think that like that hi, dada, that the way she said it in that moment, like she'll never say it like that again, you know, because she is changing so fast.
And like the way she speaks is changing, the way she enunciates is changing, the way she understands words are changing. And it was like, I'm never going to let anyone else put my daughter to bed other than me if I can help it.
Like if I'm here, I'm putting her to bed because it's my thing with my daughter. And I would say to all the dads out there and the man who called in for that advice is like, find your thing.
Like find the thing that you can do on a regular basis that like your child connect with you. Like even like changing River's diaper.
It's just like, I want to find like the thing that she counts on me to take care of her day in and day out, because like, it's great for, you know, River has her connection with her mom. It's like undeniable.
And now that River's getting older, I'm finally having a connection with her in ways that like somewhat compared to Natalie. And it's a really cool thing.
But like, if it weren't for me putting her to bed, like almost every night, like, I don't know if we would have that connection. So anyways, just advice to all the dads out there.
People talk about like their favorite toddler moments. And a lot of it's like, oh, you know, when they like do like the leg hug, you know, when they they when you're standing up and they walk up to you and hug your leg or if they you know grab a book and back up and then sit into your lap you know there's like a lot of those those things i think i realized my favorite and it's when she's crying she's upset for some reason and someone else is like trying to calm her down.
Maybe I'm in another room. Maybe I'm like, she's throwing a tantrum or whatever it is.
I'm trying to ignore it. Well, then she'll like come up to me and I'll pick her up.
And she just goes, mama. It's like, that's all she needed was just like her mom.
And like the way she says it is just like, so it's like, all she needed was me. And it's so soothing.
And it's the sweetest sound sound like i know it's so sweet and it does make me sad it really like it makes me want to stop time because like she's just at an age that like all these moments will just you know when she's three i'm sure it'll be great i'm sure like she'll do things when i get really excited but like she's just never gonna like the way she acts today she'll never act like that again like the person she is today is like is different like she's an entirely different person than a month ago i don't know my mom just got her to sleep and she's been in there for like an hour and a half trying so i think there was i'm sure a lot of playing and you can ask abe what is they just had a new new baby. All right.
Up next, Aaron and Abe are going to get into white Lotus summer house and all things. Bravo.
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Man and the baby at home. Oh.
Wait, wait, are you in a different room? In the same house or a different house? No, it's at work. Ah, nice.
Calling us from work. Love that.
How are you guys doing? Yeah. I was back at work the Monday after the baby was born.
It was great. Yeah.
You're, like, really hands off these days, huh? Number four, you're hands off. You guys want to fight about it on the show? I'm really excited.
Yeah, right? Let's do a scene. How old is he now? He's two weeks.
That's crazy. He's a little Phoebe.
Well, congratulations. Thank you so much.
How are you feeling? I feel great. I really do.
You look amazing. I feel really good.
Thank you. Thank you.
I actually am going to do a whole, like on our podcast, a whole talk about how different this pregnancy was for me, because typically I'm like any other pregnant person. I don't know if you were like this, but I ate everything in sight and like Abe would deliver me a sleeve of Oreos and milk in my bed every single night.
And like, that was my ritual. I, this time I was like, I'm not going through that again.
It took me a year to lose the weight. And it's so interesting to me because my body is just reacting so differently.
It's so funny. I was told by my doctor very early on, she's like, everyone always says you have to eat for two.
And it's like, you don't have to eat for two. You just eat your normal.
Yeah. You'll be fine.
Great doctor you had. I know.
It was just an excuse when you're stuffing your face with the sleeve of Orioles. You're like, I'm eating for two.
Leave me alone. It is the excuse.
It's terrible. And then you're like, and it takes so long to bounce back and it makes you not want to have more kids.
Did you gain any weight during any of Aaron's pregnancies? Because I got, I got real chubby. You did?

Maybe the fattest I ever was.

I don't think I was ever over 200 pounds, except for

the month that River was born.

I gained like 20 pounds.

I lost it because I was like

I looked at myself in the mirror. I'm like,

you disgusting

piece of shit.

Shame.

Yeah, exactly.

The scene from Game of Thrones

Thank you. bad fuck what are you disgusting piece of shit um shame but uh yeah yeah exactly like the scene from the game of thrones but i lost it and i was uh thank god because you know i don't know if you had the same thing nick it's like the the late night eating you know they go to sleep early because obviously they're tired and pregnant and so you're just bored and uh find myself just digging into the fridge.
Sorry, Aaron. Well, Natalie told me that husbands sometimes gain sympathy weight as a way of moral support.
So I just took that as a green light to just be a glutton and stuff my face at night. And I was like, oh, I have a high metabolism.
This won't affect me. Well, turns out.
older yeah i got yeah that's what happens i think

when you get older it's just not as easy to get it off erin can we address the elephant in the room

you got some you got some uh online you know the haters want to hate how how you're how you're

parenting your child you've been kind of popping off in the comments is i'm not even that familiar

with it i saw the video you seem fine but uh the the mom shamers are out and about i think anytime you're holding a newborn and you're not holding them with like both hands like wrapped around the head they're always gonna have a problem with it it's like he was on my elbow the way no no and i yeah i see that and i have no judgment towards you it's just like i remember in the beginning when nick and i were we would like take videos or take pictures of us holding river and it would be like oh that actually maybe like we know we're holding that baby safe but it's like the internet there are internet there are a couple ones where i was like you know what i can see where this is gonna go yeah yeah had a feeling after, well, once I saw it, I was like, okay, it does kind of look bad, but also I didn't care because like, this is my fourth kid and all my other kids are perfectly fine. Heads are attached.
And I actually thought it was really endearing seeing all the people like ride for me and be like, she knows how to hold her babies, leave her alone, stop mom shaming. So that was kind of the cherry on top.
I was like, you know what, you guys want to come at me for any little thing I do. I'm not going to like, you know, run and hide and remove it and be like, Oh, I'm sorry, internet.
Like, no, my kids are okay. Good for you.
You guys, your baby's River, you said?

Yeah, I forgot her name.

That was one of my names.

That was one of Erin's names.

For your boy?

I love that name.

Yeah, for my third.

For my third, I was obsessed with that name.

There's a lot of boy Rivers out there.

Not as many girls.

So I guess we have.

I don't know if that's good for River or not, you know,

because she'll be going to school with a lot of boys named River.

I like it as a girl. The irony is cool.
It's beautiful. beautiful i like the irony what did you end up going with for your third if you didn't choose river uh we named him after my dad elijah beautiful and you're and you're two week old how what is his name his name is jack jack hunter lychee jack hunter that's so cute oh was it harder like was your first very easy to name and then your fourth very hard or the other way around yes yeah yes they got progressively harder actually with layla we were in the hospital yeah they were it was well jack i guess we knew jack we didn't have a name i know we were like they were like giving us the papers saying you going to have to mail this in if you don't give us a name.
Like you need to decide. Well, you can be Kylie Jenner and just kind of switch it up three months in or.
I know. It's funny, actually.
Her name was Wolf and Elijah's middle name is Wolf. So we thought that was funny.
But or her baby's name was Wolf. But yeah, Layla was a tough one.
Layla was a tough one. And I think the first was the easiest.
I actually had a camp camper at a city camp that I worked at when I was like 14, I fell in love with this little camper named Levi and he had long hair and blue eyes. And I remember I was like, Abe, if we have a boy, this is the name.
Like I'm in love with him. And one of my girlfriends that worked at the camp with me, like wrote to me immediately when she saw the name and she's like, Are you kidding me? boy, this is the name.
I'm in love with him. One of my girlfriends that worked at the camp with me wrote to me immediately when she saw the name.

She's like, are you kidding me?

That's the camper.

I knew you were going to do that.

You were going to take that name before I even had a boy.

So it was cute.

All right.

What did you guys think of the White Lotus finale?

I was a little underwhelmed, if I'm being honest.

Oh, I loved it.

You loved it.

There were parts of it that were cool.

I don't know.

like the whole resolution with the

Thank you. underwhelmed if i'm being honest oh i loved it you loved it there were parts of it thank you but um i don't know like the whole resolution with the family it just felt there was stuff to be desired i did appreciate the irony with um what's her name the the woman who got the money from the guy belinda oh yeah you called that that was good it was like a good irony because it ended with her telling Pornshy sorry we can't start the business and that was literally the same exact thing that had happened to her last season so I thought that was kind of interesting I do like how they kind of made her character seem a bit hypocritical you know, like just like what money can do or as soon as you have it how your perspective immediately changes you go from you know like just uh just like what money can do you know or as soon as you have it how your perspective your perspective immediately changes you go from you know having all these like wishing you had money or you know a lot of people who don't have money always talk about what they would do once they have money or how generous they would be with their money you know when they expect other people famous question like what would you do if you won the lottery? It's like, I would give half of it to charity.
Yeah, immediately. I would set up my family and blah, blah, blah.
I would give this and you have it and you're like, well, you know, listen, the taxes are just really, you know, a lot. And, you know, it's just like immediately you start realizing how much money you don't have or where it's going and everyone's asking you for money.
That was, I did like that that darkness there i think i had to marinate on the finale you know at first i was really pissed off when they he almost killed the kid i was like we don't me too we don't need to kill the fucking really the kid the kid like the only kind of innocent soul i mean he did jerk off his brother so i guess he's not that innocent but like you know honestly like he's conflict he's a teenager He's like, you know, honestly, like he's conflict. He's a teenager.

He's like,

you know, but like,

thank God the kid survived.

And that was also such a beautiful scene,

the way that he came to.

And I thought the whole relationship between Chelsea and what's his name on the show?

Rick.

Right.

I love him.

Well,

before the episode started,

I said to Natalie,

I go,

I just don't want Rick and Chelsea to die. that's the only really i care about um and i thought it was poetic did you think they were in love i think so but he was so troubled by his past he had such childhood trauma that he just couldn't let it go and seeing how she just continued to follow him and like she was just so lovestruck and when he saw her there just like the whole the way that it all ended was and then the darth vader of it all i am your father i thought that was that was the funny part you know no that was random no he really really did mike white really did pull from star wars the like you go to go kill your father and then find out it's your father, but instead of not killing your father, he found out after.
He did not have the power of the force. He couldn't bring himself back.
No, it's interesting. I will say my favorite part of the ending was the very end of Jason Isaacs, who is probably my favorite character.
He was excellent. The way he conveyed the stress of a man dealing with the fallout of that and trying to protect his family.
You really felt it. But there was something really beautiful about that last scene where the camera zooms to the water droplets.
And I think a few episodes ago, the monk was talking about life. It's like, you know, the ocean and then drop spray of water and then it drops back in and you join the ocean.
And there's just kind of this resolution of peace that you could tell he had within himself, given that he was going back to all the chaos. I thought that was really cool.
I liked it at the end where you finally said like, things are going to be different because his character or that family pissed me off throughout the whole season this kind of entitled like no resiliency like no backbone it was like just the dad and whatever work he did to like you know accumulate whatever you know wealth that this family has i don't know you know i don't know the family's history obviously they're fictional characters but there was this no resiliency like this idea that he was willing to like kill his family because he didn't think they yeah could like endear no air conditioning or like having to get a job or anything like that to finally be like you know what things are going to be different we're just going to have to figure it the fuck out like i was like they i needed i needed that line from his character because it just like it just annoyed me to no end the weakness of that like entire family sam rockwell like coming out of the hotel room doing the somersault jumping that felt so so fucking so improv but it was so good so good i loved his cameo thanks that i mean i know everybody's been talking about it but that monologue dem rockwell's monologue from a few episodes ago i thought it was so fucking awesome it's so dark and it just kept going and going he's one of my favorite actors he's he's been great yeah he's fantastic i mean the more i thought you know it's just like someone has to die and like the more i was upset that it was like rick and chelsea dying it's just like, you know what? I guess whatever. I'm kind of fine with it.
Yeah, there was a certain piece. He killed the father, found out it was the father, and there was a finality to it that they ended up together forever.
Yeah, it was like he lost. He killed his dad, and then he got his girlfriend shot, and then it's like he's going to to prison it's like could like he's like carrying her out and so like him also dying with her it was kind of like a nice little bookend you know can we talk about guy talk for a second oh the guard yeah that was like very similar with the um with the woman who got the money where it's like a situation will just change your perspective he was like like, I'm not meant to be a guard.
And I'm not at the violence. And then when it came down to it, he wanted to, I think, just impress Mook.
And so he killed Rick. How do you remember all these names? He is such a like, when he watches, he's watching.
It really catches on to everything. Are you a phone down guy, Abe?

Do you put the phone down when you're watching Prestige Imagine?

I'm not a phone.

He yells at me if I'm on my phone.

I hate it.

I don't watch that much TV, so when I do, I'm dialed in.

He did shoot him in the back, though.

It's kind of dirty.

You're not supposed to shoot someone in the back.

But he was walking away.

He was carrying a dying woman.

Yeah, that's actually true.

Exactly. And then shot him in the back.
Yeah yeah he turned out to be like a real pos he had a street lock to yelling at him yeah yelling at him a lot going on but the pressure the pressure yeah he buckled under pressure all right how does this rank for you guys in terms of uh season one two or three where do you where do you fit in season three in terms of best white lotus season of all time? The bottom. I think they're so different.
Really, the bottom? Why the bottom? I don't think it's the bottom. I like the other two seasons better.
I don't know. They were funnier.
They were lighter, I think. Don't you? I mean, this was dark.
I really, I don't know. I think season three is up there for me.
Me too. I loved it.
I don't even remember what happened in one. One was just was just hilarious i remember that was like when they first came there there was that younger family right and that sydney sweeney and connie britain yeah and then remember the the crazy manager that was like in the room with one of the oh yeah yeah doing blow with one of the he's the one who died yeah oh yeah yeah yeah it was funnier and lighter yeah that's true it was also new like the whole format and everything so it's just one of those shock value things and then i thought last season it's awesome i think one is up for me then three and then two even though i really like two but i think three is before two for me well how are you feeling you feeling about Summer House? I have lots of thoughts.
Abe has not watched. So I'll have to give my own.
Yeah, this is all Aaron. I just think it's very, I mean, I'm assuming we're talking about the breakup.
Well, yeah, it's tied into it. That's what everyone's talking about.
Yeah. I think it's kind of like the whole thing is kind of misogynistic.
Like, why are we even talking about the fact that she works? Like, to me, the idea that we're... And I'm not saying that Craig is like a misogynist or anything.
I think he's lovely and very nice. I've met him.
He's actually very, very sweet. But like the concept of constantly talking about her working, I find strange.
And I don't know if it's because like, I'm a New Yorker. And like, that was never a conversation between me and my boyfriend at the time.
And now husband, I just worked, right? Like it wasn't, you're going to have kids and then you're going to, you know, like, are you going to slow down? And that just, I mean, I'm working now, right? Like I'm always working. It's just, and I have four kids and that never career and family life was never, you know, a decision that I had to make.
It was always known that I was going to continue working. I was always a career person.
So I just find the conversation strange. Like why is it always talked about? Was it, cause I haven't seen it, but was it in the context of just in general that she's working? No, it was more with just kind of fingering out their cadence of where Craig felt prioritized.
I think more of it was like, are they going to settle down? Where are they going to settle down? He was settling down in North Carolina. She was in New York, her career was like really taking off and she was going on tour and, you know, on tour, he was just like, I guess, a little nervous about just like, you know, where he kind of fit in priority wise.
It was less about like whether she was working period. And just like, I felt, you know, like how Craig felt prioritized in relationship relative to like her career.
Because I think they had like they saw each other every two weeks or like they had a schedule of how they saw each other. And so he was like, well, you going on tour like that's obviously going to mess that up.
So where do I fit in? And I think she took that as. I just think when that starts to become a conversation, at least this is how I would feel, right?

I would just be kind of like turned off because it's like, you fucking like figure it out.

Like come visit me or like, don't keep asking me how I'm going to fit in because then it,

it almost like, and I'm, I really don't want to be, I'm not hating on Craig.

I think he's so cute.

He's very handsome.

Like he'll find somebody I'm sure he's adorable, but I just feel like it kind of makes you

Thank you. to be, I'm not hating on Craig.
I think he's so cute. He's very handsome.
Like he'll find somebody I'm sure he's adorable, but I just feel like it kind of makes you feel like icky almost like, like, why are you keep asking me? Why aren't you confident enough? Like you just want a man to be

like, all right, cool. Like you go do your thing.
And I, I would rather be the one that's kind of

like, okay, so are you coming here? Like, when are you showing up? I'd love to see, you know,

not constantly the other way around of feeling like you're doing something wrong by being busy. I mean, as somebody who works, like that would bother me.
No, I'm going to respectfully disagree with you, Aaron. But you don't even know what's happening.
No, but I understand like the theme, like it's a common dynamic, I think, between men and women from what it what it sounds like yeah it seems to me like more so that he probably is feeling neglected and is maybe insecure from that which i can understand but i don't think that's misogynistic i think that's just the typical dynamic just the yeah the idea of constantly asking about a woman's career as though there should be a decision made.

How much is editing with the cadence of how much?

Sure.

I don't know.

I also think, but I'm kind of with Abe here. I also think a lot depends on-

Boys versus girls.

I'm a outsider.

I'm kidding.

I think Abe probably, the man's point of view isn't often the focus or highlighted or even considered. It's always just shut up and just be there.
But I also just, I see what you're saying. Oh, Abe's going to love you now.
Yeah, I totally see what you're saying in terms of like, you're right. If a guy is very needy and very just kind of the one who is just like, why aren't you going to worry about me? you know, you're right.
If a guy is very like needy and very just like kind of, you know, the one who is this like, why aren't you worried about me? You know, like that can be kind of an ick too. But I think a lot comes down to like, what is the relationship dynamic period? You know, like Paige's presents is this very boss, like confident, like she always tells you exactly what she's thinking and feeling.
She like takes no prisoners. She's got a sharp tongue.
Like if that's your partner in a relationship, it's really like, you know what I'm saying? There's usually only one very dominant person in a relationship, you know, or there's two people or it's even playing field. Very rarely is it like two dominant personalities.
So I think Craig just kind of took a backseat to Paige's more dominant personality. And I think even Craig saying like, hey, I've never, I didn't expect to be like the submissive person in a relationship is him kind of almost realizing like, yeah, I didn't expect this either.
Like, I don't even like this part about me, but it's just like, she plays that role so well. She's confident in that role.
And he's kind of stuck playing this like, hey, are you going to call me? Because he knows that Paige is just never going to, Paige never does that. Paige doesn't give Craig an opportunity to be the man in the relationship.
And not that she should do anything differently. It's just like, sometimes I think men sometimes feel like they play one or two roles either like either they're the asshole or they're this kind of the bitch you know it's just like either like i need you to like be in stand up and i need you to take charge but when he you know then when he does it's like why are you being such a fucking asshole sometimes and then it went you know and then and then when you want him to take a bad seat it's just like man stand up and be a fucking man or something it's just like jesus fucking christ like which one do you want me to you know you you abe's abe's he knows what i'm talking about yeah dude yeah he knows what i'm talking about i think it happens a lot though so i ultimately with the with page and craig i mean they just i think it's they just weren't compatible like i think i honestly thought craig at their southernm reunion finally said something that really showed real growth, which is him just acknowledging that I think he loved the idea of their relationship, especially towards the end.
He has the benefit of watching some of these clips back and some of these things that we all get to see. And he's forced to acknowledge that, you know what, maybe we weren't as in love as i thought we were maybe i wasn't even as in love as i thought i was and maybe yeah like maybe we're just not supposed to be together and you see him kind of slowly accepting that what was jarring for me watching uh the southern charm reunion is the flashback of like Craig when he first got on this show

and like Craig when he first got

casted on Southern Charm looks like

any guy who like played

the like if you ever watched

Law and Order and it was always about like a rich

family and then some rich like bad

kid who was like in

charge of like a fraternity

killed someone and embezzled money

but he played like the goody two-shoe

Craig that's what Craig looks like

season one of Southern Char charm he looks like you do not trust that could have been a white lotus like yes no he looks like a white lotus character he really changed he looks great no he he's aged very gracefully very well yeah like a fine wine. Yeah.
Calm down, Aaron. Shep likes so much.
Young Shep looks like a very tall, handsome Michael Cera. Interesting.
Yeah. Shep is cute.
He's fine. I think they're all great.
He is cuter. I like those boys.
I think Craig has aged better and Shep has aged worse. Probably.
What did you think of Craig and Austin's kind of Austin being like, hey, this is what I needed from you. This is how I felt you were treating me that you were like up on this higher level than me.
And you look down on me and Craig's like, well, if you think that way of me, then we shouldn't be friends. Instead of being like, I tend to agree with Austin.
Okay. Like Austin's rationale, I tend to agree with, I think.
Just like I think if I were like really good friends with someone on that show, he'd probably be one of them. You know, he just seems like kind of a rational, normal-ish guy.
Craig, it seems like he was just like trying to defend himself a little bit. You know, I don't think he actually didn't want to be friends with him.
It was just his defense mechanism. Right.
But, you know, a little bit immature. I do.
I kind of get Craig's point of view a little bit. I mean, he's certainly rough around the edges.
And he might be like when all your friends are nicely saying you're an exaggerator or embellisher or an exaggerator. It's just like you're maybe maybe you're a liar.
Well, I've been around an exaggerator and embellisher. if you guys watched our show and there's a fine line it can get really tricky when you're around somebody who's saying things that and i don't know that craig is or isn't i'm just saying that when you're not accurate especially on tv it's really tricky because it can be like like you could say something that's not lying that's what i'm saying like well that? That's what I'm saying.
Well, that's, that's what I'm saying. I mean, it's like, I mean, because sometimes you tell a story and you want to like make it a little, like ramp it up a little and make it a little funnier.
I mean, I sometimes do that when I'm telling a story, it's like, and then it took hours instead of maybe, I don't know, an hour, you know? Yeah. But like when you get called out for that, you're like, you know, like really hours? Like, well, no, I mean mean it just felt like a couple hours where craig seems the type of guy who's like no yeah it was like five and a half i have it marked down it was like five hours and 27 minutes you know and it's like that's not embellishing that's lying that's adding context well that's why yeah yeah it's tricky so bren does and especially on tv oh my god bren is like the master embellisher of all time.
And she's really good at it. And by the way, I am convinced by her time and time again.
And it's tricky. It's very hard to like navigate, especially on a show.
Where I understand Craig's point of view though, it's just like when you're in this stage of life, you're kind of middle age, right? You know, late twenties, early thirties, forties for some people. How old are you middle age? Was that Aaron? Yeah.
Depends. I guess it depends on who you are.
Well, forties. I mean, not really.
I feel like fifties are really. You're at a midlife crisis joke.
And she's like, you're not having a midlife crisis. That's when you're 50.
I'm like, no, midlife crisis. Like you could have on your forties.
Yeah. That's not when you die.
You know, maybe he knows. You're 40, but you're 41.
That's like not midlife price is like you could have on your 40s yeah you know maybe he knows you're 40 but you're 41 that's like not midlife is it early mid well what what's what's the average lifespan i mean we're gonna live we're gonna be immortal because we're gonna be morphed into robots anyway so for us here we go let's not start this let's not open this door let's not open this door i can't warm to the robot talk. When Abe and I first met, his pickup line was how we're going to turn into robots.
I have no idea why I continued to see him after that. It worked, don't you? I don't know.
I guess. I was like, oh, weirdo.
This is good. Big difference than what I've been around.
Average lifespan. It says average lifespan is around 72 years worldwide with women living longer than men.
What about Americans? Probably less. Yeah.
Well, then we're past middle age if it's 72, Erin. 77.43 years.
So technically 40 is past middle age. That's insane.
What about New Yorkers? There should be a- Anyway, what I was saying is it's like, you know, when you're the person who like is getting their shit together, you know, and you get your shit together faster than some of your other friends, no one likes that. You know what I'm saying? They're very resistant to you making yourself better.
And then your friends will always say shit things like, you think you're better than us. And honestly, the truth is when you're the one who's like drinking less or just eating right or just kind of like getting your shit together, you do feel a little bit better than the people who aren't.
You know what I'm saying? Because you're actually making meaningful changes. You're putting in the work.
Maybe you're going to therapy. Maybe you're waking up early.
Maybe you're saying no to whatever it is that you usually say yes to that makes you feel worse, not better. And so you're proud of yourself.
It takes a lot of work to do this shit. So by nature, you kind of tend to feel a little bit more superior to your peers and your friends actually feel that because they actually are envious of the improvements you're making in their life that they're not ready to make.
And so there's always this weird thing where people are just like, well, you think you're better than us. And you want to be like, well, yeah, yes, I am.
I'm actually right now being better than you are. So like, and I feel like Craig's in this period right now where he sees Austin and Shep and Craig, you know, despite his embellishing or whatever is cleaning his shit up.
And like, he's, you know, focusing on his career and his, and Shep is still has like his baseball caps from college decorating his living room. And, and Austin is still like focused on going out and partying.
And it's just like, I'm just not at this level anymore. And when it comes to that, I'm very team Craig.

And I'm very, I don't think Craig needs to like apologize

or bring himself to his friend's level

to like, because they're not ready to grow up.

Yeah, I agree with that.

I do.

What's interesting is, you know, when you get older

and that starts to happen with certain friends

and then, you know, it's a shitty thing to think about.

But sometimes you need to change the people you actually spend time with if they're keeping you back. Yeah.
Because otherwise you are dulling yourself unnecessarily. And it's like, you know, surround yourself with people who are making those same healthy choices in life and all the other things.
So it's a tough, it's a weird thing when it starts happening. Yeah.
And sometimes you actually have to like, yeah, have a little like friend breakups. I've done that with friends where you just like, you grow apart and sometimes you grow back together when they like figure their shit out.
But you're just like, until then you're just like, I don't know, I'm not that person anymore. And it doesn't even mean that you don't have to be friends with these, with those people.
Just the time, like, you know, your time is more valuable when you're older, more limited. So just who you choose to actually spend time with.
You can still be friends with whoever. But it's the time spending, I think, that becomes the terminate factor.
It was wild to see half of the group say they're terrified of Craig. Yeah, that was weird.
Why? I don't think he's terrifying. Right? I don't.
Yeah, Austin says he's terrified of Craig sometimes, and the group agrees. What does that mean with me? That was weird.
That was stupid. I've had people say they're scared of me.
So I think that's just stupid. That was really silly.
From past seasons, though, he does have some sort of anger management issues in the way that he flips on people. I could see how he could be somebody that you don't want to upset because you don't know what's going to happen next.
But have we seen him blow like that recently like is that what we have what's his sign they need to go on a housewives show if uh they think that's blowing up yeah granted he did have a problem with adderall as well so like that was like a couple of the big blowouts that he's had in the past i didn't get the impression that that's what they were referring to when they said they were scared of him like i didn't get the impression and you've watched the show longer than i have Sierra, but I didn't get the impression that that's what they were referring to when they said they were scared of him. I didn't get the impression, and you've watched the show longer than I have, Sierra, but I didn't get the impression it was some sort of like, they're afraid of his physical outburst in that his react.
Andy didn't bring up his temper and was like, you do have a bet. And he was like, that's something I'm trying to work on.
I took it more of his ability to manipulate or deceit or lie or, get revenge on people, his enemies or whatever, where it was more like he's more calculated.

I took it that way.

He doesn't really do revenge as much as he cuts people off.

He's also an Aquarius.

I'm going to say Taurus.

Do you know a lot about horoscopes?

What did you say, Sierra, about cutting people off?

I said he's not one really for revenge as he is like he'll cut people off and like make it very much like you are not my friend. I do not speak with you.
And maybe that's something to where people are like, well, you don't really give us an opportunity to work through a problem. It's just kind of either you're on my side or you're not.
So I felt like that was kind of more what they were talking about. Like there's no way of confronting him when he's in the wrong.
He'll just cut them off. See, but if that's the case, I'm more team Craig.
Because that's basically saying, I don't like that you're really good at enforcing your boundaries. Like whether we agree or disagree with Craig's boundaries, he is very good at just being like, this is how I think and feel.
And I'm going to stand by it. And I'm going to own it.
And you don't have to like it. I'm not asking for your permission.
This is just how I'm going to operate. A lot of people don't have that follow through.
They don't have that resolve to have people be upset with them, right? Because the opposite of enforcing a boundary is being the people pleaser, right? And I think Austin and shep are like notorious people pleasers they're like the guys who like everyone wants to have fun around let's have a good time and i think they're they're very uncomfortable with people like craig who are just like you know if i don't like it if it's not going to be this way i'm out but that's not like something to be scared of that's just my that's just because

you're uncomfortable their ability to like say no to you yeah i think they were saying that they're terrified of his temper yeah because andy did point that out switching to summer house do you feel like lexi has a right to be mad at jesse for the toe suck the 37 minute toe suck that he joined He joined in on a threesome.

Can you give a quick backstory?

So, you know, Summer House, there's a lot of partying going on. And Jesse Salomon, well, there's two household fuckboys, Jesse and West.
Last year, one of the fuckboys attempted at having a girlfriend. It went as well as you thought it might.
This season, the other fuckboy is attempting to be a boyfriend uh and he walked into a room where their other housemate was having a threesome with two ladies uh he seemed to be under the influence when he walked into said room and what we've learned from this moment is that apparently someone i believe it was a lady sucked Jussie's toe and only sucked his toe for, he was in there

for 37 minutes. So maybe he was just watching.
I don't know. Maybe they took a timeout from said threesome and just started chatting about the night.
That's a long fucking- Very likely. And he didn't tell his girlfriend.
I'm going to defend jesse which i think is probably surprising but i feel like what happened to him and i think he's like such a sweet guy just based on the show but um i think what happened to him was he got excited he liked her he kind of like fell into it but like the guy just cleared himself from having testicular cancer the summer before, you know, like he wants to be free and happy and have fun. Like, I almost feel like he just kind of got, he got kind of stuck.
Not that she got him stuck, but it just kind of happened that he got in this relationship, but he almost like didn't, he was conflicted and maybe he didn't really want to be in a relationship because he wanted to have fun. I mean, that, that, that runs a toll on you being so worried about having cancer and it coming back.
And now he's at the five-year mark and like, I don't know, I kind of feel for him. I know what he did was wrong.
I think, I think if you beat cancer for the next year, you know, short of you killing someone or doing something illegal. You're allowed to do whatever you want.
You kind of get to do whatever you want, man. Just be like, I don't know, man.
I thought I was dying a year and a half ago. Fuck it.
It's like, yeah, I guess, you know, honestly. Live your life.
Get your toes up. You know, and he was almost trying to please her because she was like, I, you know, I'm very jealous and I want to be exclusive and da, da, da.
and it seemed like he liked her so much. You didn't want to say no, but you could see he didn't really want to do that, which I wouldn't want to do that either.
I think even when he introduced her to his parents and in his like ITM, he was like, yeah, I didn't really want to do that. But I knew she it meant a lot to her or something.
And it was like, OK, you're doing a lot that you don't want to do. Yeah.
And so it was like, I mean, it's not right, but it's like you kind of get it. Lexi is on her TikTok bad bitch lip syncing to like, fuck that man songs.
Oh, is she? Yeah. So they're not together.
It does not appear so. There's a lot of getting ready makeup transitions to like, you thought I was your girl? Well, fuck.
Well, one of my favorite things online right now, especially in the reality TV space, is the attempt at the Ariana Maddox treatment. What is that? Well, I mean, you know, post-scanival.
Like you're saying Jesse's going to get that treatment. Oh, like to reap the benefits there is a lot to be gained um career-wise if if you are seen as the scorned woman in the reality tv space rachel kirkana is currently benefiting from the same movement right and it's that she's from bachelor nation uh she recently broke up with uh former bachelor matt james and i don't know he he broke up with her in a way that maybe lacked a little tact certainly deserved some criticism ultimately they broke up whatever i think eventually she will come out with a lot of stories of how he treated her in that relationship but in her initial like we broke up interview it was very much just like yeah you know he was kind of like mean to me sometimes.
But like he just broke up with me. And then I got on an airplane and then landed to like him posting it to social media.
And like he announced it without her knowing while she was on a plane before like she, you know, so that was the big crime. Right.
And definitely he deserves an apology. But not the worst thing in the world.
No, world. No.
But whenever the internet grabs a hold of something, sometimes they get triggered by something. And it's just always...
Right now, you see, especially in reality TV, where there's this upcoming breakup and you think someone's going to look a certain way. And Lexi is right now on the trying to.
Oh, interesting. Yeah.
Well, Sierra had a little bit from West last season, right? You know, Bravo World rarely rallied behind Sierra when, you know, with her and West breaking up. So I think she's hoping for the same treatment.
I think, unfortunately for Lexi, she didn't account for beating cancer. And it was just like, you're not going to get the Ariana.
If Tom Sandoval had just beaten cancer, we- I also think it feels different, Sierra and Lexi, the situation. Why? Like Sierra clearly really liked West and he just, I mean, I don't think he did anything really wrong i don't know i don't want to say anything honestly i think she just has hurt feelings yeah i mean maybe he could have been a little like more gentle in the press after um but it seems like she just really liked him and it just didn't work out but in this case this just feels like, like a really fast relationship that came kind of out of nowhere and doesn't really even make any sense to me.
And like all of a sudden week two, they were like getting married. Like none of it makes sense.
Sierra and West like felt like a real relationship. Do you know what I mean? This one didn't.
I do think it was interesting. You know, he, he went out of his way to like call her and let her know that everyone in the house thinks that he was flirting with sierra but he just wants to like let her know if she hears that it's not true that they're brother and sister but he did leave out that he got his toe sucked and to lexi's point she was like if you didn't think it was a big deal or if you didn't think it was weird you would have told told me.
Which is an excellent point. You would have told me.
Yeah. That is a true.
That is a good point. But on the flip side, he could have just felt weird about it and not said because of that.
But like the whole, I don't know. Well, let me ask you this, Aaron, as someone who is a Bravo celebrity herself.
There was a line where like Jesse's talking to producers, right? And the Bravo gives a little BTS. Sometimes they show that conversation.
And Jesse is basically saying, it's toe sucking. It's not sexual.
It wasn't a big deal. I was fucking around, whatever.
I think as a guy, you do know that sometimes you realize I'm being a fuck. This is not sexual, right? Whether the optics look good or not, I get what Jesse was saying in that moment.
But he said, I don't want this to be a thing. And as a human being, I thought I laughed because I was just like, what a hilarious line for any guy to say, I cheated on my wife, but I don't want this to be a thing, the way he said it.
But I want to know from your point of view, Aaron, to me, that actually sounded like a Bravo, like a show line where you're like Jesse, the talent was talking to the producer saying, guys, I'm not into this storyline. You're forcing this storyline.
It's not a thing. I don't want this to be a thing.
And I felt like they used that against him in that moment. You don't say those words.
No, I know. The minute you say those words, they're like, it's a thing now.
But I agree with you. That sounds like something that he's saying about the show.
I feel like I've said that before. And the minute I said that, I was like, fuck, this is going to be a thing now.
No, I know. Because the way they air it, I was like, well, sorry, Jesse, you don't get to decide what isn't or isn't a thing when it relates to your actions.
But I can totally understand in that moment where he's just like, guys, I'm down to play along. I'm down to give you storylines, but I'm not down for you guys to make this a thing.
This is stupid. And I was curious what you thought.
I agree with you. That sounds exactly like something we would all say, you know, season one.
Do you watch any other Real Housewives franchises? I dabble. I love Miami.
It's actually like my favorite, which is so random. Beverly Hills, i kind of fell off this season yeah it's a little boring uh well one of the well garcelle just left beverly hills i saw that and i love her so much there was a producer who was talking about garcelle's exit and and he mentioned how proud he was of her and and you see comments like this online all the time for various actors or reality TV stars.

But this particular producer talked about how he really judges, obviously, someone's character or who they are as a person by how the crew enjoyed working with various talent.

And he talked about how when they were shooting with Garcelle, crew was always ecstatic.

And then she was always this really wonderful and gracious. And how that was different from some of the other castmates on Beverly Hills.
From your point of view, are there some people from the Roni franchise who are more pleasant to production than others? Yeah, of course. You can't name any? Of course.
I mean... one of the good ones okay sai is one of the good ones uva's good but she tends to be like on her own timeline which is challenging okay so slightly inconsiderate with her timing yeah jessel also i think is kind of like on her own timeline but i think they generally i think think they like all.
I mean, I think Jenna's pretty easy to work with. Raquel, I know they loved.
I know they loved Brynn, but I heard that it was challenging sometimes. I don't know.
I think you can kind of watch the show and make decisions that way on who is easy and who was not. But I will say about Beverly Hills,

I like hung out with Garcelle many times and she's really,

that's so true because she is such an awesome person and like just fun to be

around and easy to talk to.

And I can only imagine that that was a big loss for them because she's awesome.

And I think she adds a lot to the show.

So it's a bummer.

It did feel like, I don't know why I felt this,

because she's been my girl this season,

but it felt like this producer wanted to say

that Dorit was mean.

I don't know.

I'm basing this off nothing, but I don't know.

When he was saying how Curseo was so kind to the crew,

it just felt like he wanted to throw Dorit under the bus. But I could be wrong.
Really? I could be totally wrong. That's maybe me projecting.
I don't know. I'm not going to say anything about Dorit because we had a weird thing at BravoCon and now we DM.
And I would love to support another Israeli on Bravo. That's very uncommon.
You guys got in a fight at BravoCon? We didn't get into a fight we didn't get into a fight we she and i had been on like these zooms we were part of this like subgroup on bravo we had been on some of these zooms and we were talking and we knew each other and we were backstage about to go on for like photo ops at bravo con with with fans and she was there with kyle and i was like excited to see her because we had known each other on zoom. I'm just like a friendly person.
Like I'm a hugger. I love chatting with people.
I'm social. So I was like, hi, like, how are you? Blah, blah, blah.
And it was so, I was met with so much, such a cold, like, I don't know, demeanor that I was taken aback. That being said, she's said since then that she was worried about going on stage.
It was like right after the robbery. So water under the bridge.
She's been very sweet since. I just haven't hung out.
Like I've hung out with a lot of the Beverly Hills ladies, like tons of them. We've gone to dinner.
We're friends and they're all so awesome. I've just never hung out to read.
So I don't really know. You're also very close with Lindsay Hubbard.
Do you think she would join Rony? Oh, I don't know. I just don't know.
I love Lindsay. I'm so happy for her.
Her life is totally different now. Have you had any conversations with Lindsay about it? You say you don't know.
Is that like an I don't know because you do know? You have to shrug your shoulders like i'm sworn to secrecy i don't know have you spoken with no i don't um i think she's open i don't know what will come of it because like have you talked to her about it i mean we talk all the time we talk you know we talk i mean you're not a producer it's not like it's your decision what do you think i i i don't know i I don't know if they think that that would fit or not. I have no clue.
The network doesn't tell us anything. Do I think she would fit? I think she'd be fun.
I actually do. I think it'd be really interesting to see her come from a Bravo show into our show.
I mean, what a different world. I think you guys kind of need it.
You guys need a little. guys need a little.
She's got the personality for a housewife I think. Listen, I am in my, I don't know if this happened to you guys, but I am in my era of like, I just want to party and have fun.
I mean, I've been pregnant four fucking times. I'm 37 years old.
I'm not 100. I want to have so much fun.
I'm like, you know, I'm two weeks out, so I need to wait a little bit, but I am like ready to party. How old were you when you had your first? I got pregnant.
I was 27 or 28, which is young, but you see for us, and this is something we talk about on our podcast. We didn't change our lives.
Like that wasn't, we continued to party. We continued to be young people.
We continued to work. We continued to do all the things we were doing before.
We just decided to have a kid and kind of spontaneously, you know, but at this point, like, I just want to have fun. So I'm very excited about the prospect of having someone that's my age that wants to like, that still has that in them that wants to have fun with me, maybe have a couple of drinks, which I think we were lacking.
Um, and just kind of like be a little loose, you know? Yeah. That's why, that's why I feel like you guys could use a little Lindsay Hubbard because like, and this past episode of summer house, you know, it was like, we're really happy for Carl.
He's having his launch party for his non-alcoholic bar, you know, which everyone's really supportive. And then you have Lindsay being like, honestly, like where's the fucking bar? This is just a party to announce a bar.
And like, I want, I want type of energy at Rony when like one of you ladies are like having some sort of event and it's all about all flashy and it's for the show and Lindsay to just be like, what, what is even going on? And like, to start like, just question, you know, give us some like hardcore, like Lindsay Hubbard, like this is bullshit because I'm kind, I was kind of with Lindsay on that one. I mean, listen, you know, when it comes to like Hollywood or tech startups or whatever, you know, it's a lot of like show and then tell type of thing.
You have the launch party, you get the interest, whatever, you create the buzz and then you actually create or make the product. But I, you know, I've done both.
I prefer the actually just like show them you can actually do the thing rather than talking about the thing where it's like with Carl, like, you know, I'm really happy for him. I'm glad he's picking himself back up.
I'm glad he's dating. I'm glad he's sober.
He's making a lot of self improvements, but like, where's the bar, you know? And I wouldn't be, if I'm his ex, like Lindsay was, I would have the same type of reaction. Like what's, I'm happy for him, but like he hasn't done anything yet.
i i like her directness i will not lie i do like it a lot and she's fun which i also think is great she is fun and she is direct i'm rooting for it what about you abe are you pro uh or are not pro lindsey hubbard coming to the season of roni honestly i don't know i don't know her that well I mean erin erin's been with her i do agree that we need somebody to we need a little shake up as far as the energy and make it a little bit more uh fun and and light and maybe chaotic but not in dark way so i'm all for that i think we're going on a double date, Abe, FYI. Oh.
Cute. So,

yeah.

Aaron just sends me calendar invites

to show up.

Yeah,

he has no idea what's happening

any day of the week.

Love.

That's so fun.

All right,

guys.

Well,

thanks for joining the show.

Congratulations on your fourth child.

Very excited for you both.

Thank you.

And just wishing you guys

nothing but the best.

Thank you, guys. Thanks for having us.
All right. Take care.
Thank you. Bye.
Bye, for you both. And just wishing you guys nothing but the best.
Thank you guys. Alright, take care.
Thank you. Bye guys.
Bye. I'm hoping this Lindsay Deroni thing happens.
It needs to happen. She just can't be hiding in the summer house room for much longer.
Since we're talking about housewives, let's quickly get into some Atlanta.

That was wild.

Yeah, that was rough.

Poster.

She had posters.

They weren't sheets of paper. And she pulled them out one by one.

Oh, yeah.

They were blown up.

It's like the levels.

I think Cynthia Bailey said it the best way where she was like, Kenya, this is like a

lower version of you that I don't know.

And like, that was wrong.

I'm like, I think it's both.

Like, it's all wrong.

But yeah, the internet is back and forth with like, it's crazy that like Bravo kicked

Thank you. of you that I don't know and like that was wrong I'm like I think it's both like it's all wrong but yeah the internet is back and forth with like it's crazy that like Bravo kicked Kenya off for this but then you didn't have any repercussions for Brittany or Brit um threatening having a gun on her and well that's that's her from filming yeah add the show element to it right like just the whole story like outside of, like, outside of, like, what we're watching, right?

Like, there's definitely some gaps, for sure. Like, gap one.
These were on poster boards and, like, neatly, like, tucked away for the right time for Kenya to bring them out, you know? So, like, clearly she planned on this. Which is Kenya fashion.
They made it seem like Kenya's response was a reaction to like Brit showing up to her party uninvited and kind of crashing the party. And that's why she almost seemed like triggered by it.
Like that's how it came across to me. But like, where were any of these producers when she brought in poster size, like pictures of these sexual acts that were going to be so egregious that they were going to fire Kenya from it.
Like, did no one catch wind of it? Did no one see this? Like, you know what I'm saying? For everyone to act like this was like, just kind of happened so fast that they didn't realize it. And it was like kind of almost too late after the fact.
Cause that's kind of how it shot, right? Like it was just like, oh, she did this. We can't believe she did this shit.
We can't stand by this. We have to fire her.
But it's like, she brought posters. Like, you know, and they were talked away.
It's not inconspicuous. No one saw this.
No one was like, oh, you brought posters. Can I, you know, like, can I grab these from you? What are you what are these you know no one took a peek even shamiya said like all of us have seen these photos and videos but it's like the second you decided to bring it up in the group or on screen is like another level yeah so it's like people knew these existed yeah the argument that these are these are photos that are like available for anyone who knows how to find them online is a is a bullshit argument like what Kenya did was terrible like horrible like and she deserves to absolutely be fired for this like fine take the threat as a real threat she did threaten her I get it but like this isn't a threat this is like Kenya did it she didn't say it would it would be like the equivalent is Kenya like just talking about the videos or photos that are available for people to find and be like, well, you've done this and you used to.
Aren't we all kind of hoes at some point in our life? Most of us? I don't know. Fair enough.
Kelly said the same thing. Who is this hoe? If the worst thing that you can find is someone being a hoe back in the day.
If this situation didn't happen, I feel like the whole Bravosphere would be strongly against Brit, which is the interesting situation. Of course, because you should not be carrying a gun and threaten said person with the gun, but when you bring a poster-sized pictures...
Yeah, you can bring quote-unquote receipts, but you didn't need to print out a poster- size image of what you're discussing or what you're talking about. It's like, yeah, they weren't equal, you know? No, no.
Yeah, no. Not a like potential threat in your life while you're being like heated and whatnot.
Something that could be like talked out and discussed. It's like you shamed her in front of an entire audience of people.
And let's be clear, Kenya's response was based off of her feeling disrespected. It was about, you know what I'm saying? It wasn't about her being scared for her life.
It wasn't about her being worried. It was the disrespect of being threatened by a gun.
And so her response to being disrespected was to disrespect brit you know what i'm saying and that's why what makes it so horrific and so bad is because like her argument is like oh you threatened me with a gun and again terrible you shouldn't do that and if that's all if that's all that happened you're right we'd all be on team kenya but it wasn't like she was worried or scared she would she just felt disrespected and her her response to that disrespect was to like go as low as possible and not just even talk about them but bringing them up so that everyone could see at a party in front of her peers in front of her community in front of her friend it it was just it was it was nasty it was like there's no you know basically kenya just show there is there's no i will go as low as i have to it will it won't matter yeah yeah i have to agree with that too because i'm like the thing is that it's like if we're talking about questioning your safety then like that's when you talk to production you don't go and like print off something to like ignite put more more fuel on the fire essentially i think it's an element of both because i mean she even said like she only knew this person for like two weeks at this point and like the impression she's getting now is that she's carrying a justice to potentially like backlash on her and i'm not saying this is a way to justify justin if you were afraid of somebody and that person you thought had a weapon of any kind and you were legitimately afraid of them your response would be to embarrass them publicly well she said she went to production and told it and nobody said anything and still she was being invited to events so like in her response was then to trigger this person you know what i'm saying like i'm not saying it's right i'm not justifying it but i'm saying that there could be an element of feeling unsafe because they all acknowledged it in the moment kenya's actions proved without a shadow of a doubt that she did not feel unsafe that is not the actions of a person who feels afraid of someone like you don't antagonize that person you don't try to trigger them you certainly don't try to embarrass them you don't try to ruin their life if you are actually afraid of that person that that is how you put yourself in a dangerous situation so like unless king is not stupid we know that she wasn't scared her her actions told us this it's like you know what i'm saying we we don't have to guess we know know. Because if you're actually scared, and maybe she went to production, but that response is not the response of a person who is in any way afraid of this person.
I wish that Britt would have actually tried to reach out to Kenya in a different way than showing up at the event with flowers. And maybe this whole thing could have been diffused, but it just kind of seems like everybody's trying to show up in each other's faces, but being like, no, I'm so sorry.
And then obviously Kenya ignored her, which therefore Kenya obviously went back, started putting on makeup. So she knew what she was going to do next.
Yeah. But it's just unfortunate because it sounds like Brit said a lot of things in the heat of the moment that she didn't mean and wanted to come to terms with Kenya.
And it sounds like Kenya already had in her mind that this woman is not OK and she needs to go. So I think that that was Kenya's way of trying to force Brit's hand that being like, you want to stay in this group? Well, this is what's going to happen or like whatever, kind of.
But neither neither neither thing is justified by either one's actions. If anything, it's just both sides.
Was Brit reprimanded at all? Like, was that investigated? It didn't. It doesn't feel like it.
Her side of it isn't very public. We only know when Kenya did her interview and was saying, like, I'm still on payroll with them.
Like, Bravo still understands me. Andy has talked to me.
But we know we just know that Britney's going to address it of like, now I have to address revenge porn when like I wasn't planning on doing that. Yeah.
It's her storyline. Yeah.
I mean, I think it's just telling by all the other housewives by the end of it just were like walk walked out portia was like turn the camera off on me i don't even i don't even want it to be known that i was at this event that's why cynthia i think handled it the best being like this is a low low that i've never seen she said i really hate that you let this end this way i think you're bigger than this and i think you're better. Exactly.
But then she also just did an interview saying that like she hasn't talked to Kenya since this whole event happened. And Kenya is online really trying to still paint herself as the victim.
Yeah. I mean, by all means, I mean, she's been cut out of most of the season.
I think she's not going to be featured after this. She doesn't have a tagline this season.
So I mean, I'm sure she's trying to get her side out of the story. It sounds like she's on pause, though, that she wasn't fully fired.
That's what she's implied, and that's what the text said on this episode as well. But her side of the story is, we know her side of the story, right? Yeah, but she's coming for people trying to justify either people not standing up for her anymore, or that she's trying to say that she was in the right for what she did and a lot of the time and there's it's just kind of hard

to argue that in the sense that no that's crazy yeah yeah that's crazy exactly i mean she came

for cynthia i think even yesterday or something and used an old clip of nini saying like talking

about her so she's trying to use other people's quotes and what not to justify her feeling of

being like isolated or not being heard or not like given an opportunity to stand up for herself

I love you. about her so she's trying to use other people's quotes and what not to justify her feeling of being like isolated or not being heard or not like given an opportunity to stand up for herself but again has she she's gone with she can't come out at all and been like well i don't you know like my actions were wrong and uncalled for yes i have a problem with what brit did and yes that's a separate issue i hope that that still needs to be dealt with and it hasn't dealt with been dealt with to my liking and blah, blah, blah.
But I should not have done this. I should not have put out these these these photos.
Have she said anything remotely like that? She did. I mean, the most recent thing she said was basically like, I went too far.
I shouldn't have done that. I mean, they all speak in like they all speak in vague fully owning up to anything, but she did acknowledge she went too far.
That's wild. I mean, it was the poster boards were absolutely wild, but I don't know.
It's hard for me to think that she's really seen the errors of her ways while simultaneously see her so loud painting herself as the victim in the situation online. She said is always 50 50 if i could do it all over again i believe the photos were very distasteful and i elevated the situation i've elevated situations before and i've taken full accountability for things that i've done but it doesn't sound like she's saying sorry to brit for her actions she's saying that she understands that like sorry for what've done, not sorry to.
Yes. And then she's like posting pictures of like justice for Kenya Moore.
Kenya. It's crazy.
That was a tweet that has just happened. She has been trending as the season's airing.
I would imagine so. I think in her perspective.
That is one benefit of doing what doing what she did you will trend and i also agree with cynthia too where it's just kind of like it's unfortunate because kenya worked really hard to try to get this hair spa salon open and letting somebody's one comment get to you and making your entire event trying to shame this one woman where it's like you should should have been celebrating what you've accomplished. It's just,

it's just really unfortunate.

It was a wild choice. Right.

It's,

this should be about you and celebrating like what you've come to have this

conversation at a dinner or have this at somebody's house.

And like,

even then,

does it make it okay?

No,

but I'm just like at your salon opening where I'm like,

this should have been a really big moment for you and for success.

And now you're at your wedding.

You're, you're at your, you're at your wedding. You're up at the aisle.
You're doing your vows. And then you got in a fight with someone at the wedding the weeks before.
Maybe it's even a friend of a friend. It's your brother's girlfriend or something you fucking hate or whatever.
And you stop the wedding to just publicly and call them out and embarrass them. Because that is exactly what Kenya did.
I mean, this event probably had as much meaning as a wedding does to some people. It's her business.
It's all about her. It's like she's the center of attention.
It's her day. And she chooses to ruin that by just being unbelievably messy unbelievably messy and petty 100 nobody's talking about her like hair or hair treatments or whatever's going on anybody that's talking about this day is most likely talking about this brit and kenya situation so it's really unfortunate for her all right well up next we have christina hendrix talking about good american family and her love for all things Housewives and Bravo.
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Thank you so much. Thanks for having me.
We're so excited. Thank you.
We're huge fans. How have you been? What's new? Boy, been out promoting this show.
Sure. Promoting a couple shows.
So I've been going back and forth to London and Ireland and back here. Wow.
Got married this year. Been doing some renovating.
Have a little bit of a cold. How about you guys? What's up with you? Wow.
I mean, definitely not as busy as you have been at all. Well, we did also get married this year.
Last year. Well, we're in our first year.
Will this be your first anniversary or your second? Our first anniversary. Yeah, same with us.
Okay. And we're a week apart.
We are a week apart. Yeah.
And then we are renovating. Oh.
Yeah. Remodeling.
Yeah. Kind of tearing it down.
You might have been busier than me, actually. I do hear that you are into interior design, so I am excited to like your thoughts on like a few things.
One being the studio. How are you feeling about the studio? Does it feel warm? Yes it does and I immediately noticed the pillows and I really approve of the shade of green.
Very very nice. Okay very well done.
Nick was wanting to change behind him and keep this wall green and keep that wall curtain. And I was like, that feels like just, I was like the symmetry of the two curtains.
You know, those frame TVs that have with the art. You can also put like logos behind it.
Get some signage behind here. Get rid of the curtain, which is like nice, but like it's just a curtain.
And how do we do that while incorporating this? Because that would be a real bugaboo to repaint or redo. Right, because you want to have a bit of branding behind you.
Is that what you want to... I can see that.
Listen, I think more is more. So I don't mind a little adding texture and prints with different things.
I think you can go a little crazy. Maximalism's in.
Maximalism. We got the stamp of approval I got the stamp of approval I know I've been against you for so long forward home since we're just staying on interior design should we just get her input on you guys are gonna do your farmhouse right the lake house lake house I'm sorry lake house I saw the boots and I saw farm lake house which is my dream to have a lake house it's gonna be so beautiful once it once it's all done.
Right now it feels like it's like a pipe dream, you know? It's like, sure. Here's like what I've picked out.
Who knows if it's going to look good together. Like they just started reframing.
So that's the stage that we're in. Yeah.
Are you going to lean into the lake house feel? I think I want to lean into just the cozy texture pattern vibe and not so cabin-y. Not fish on the wall kind of thing i don't think i'll go that far but i do want it to feel very like warm and cozy because majority of the time it is winter there in wisconsin so i'm so jealous that you get to start this project brush i know it's gonna be so much fun call me if you want any ideas or just you know.
What is like your go-to style? I'm so jealous that you get to start this project brush. I know.
It's going to be so much fun. Call me if you want any ideas.
I have a lot of fun. Or just, you know.
What is like your go-to style? I'm a bit eclectic. I would say maximalism for sure.
There's a little deco mixed with traditional, very whimsical, lots of pattern mixing. Yeah.
Lots of things about, lots of things to look at. Are you like an antique or vintage hunting? Do you go to like flea markets and find the...
I do. You know, I go to less flea markets in Los Angeles because I think everyone really knows what they've got here.
Yeah. And at this point, I think most antique dealers are on Cherish or First Dibs or eBay.
I'll oftentimes be out and about looking and I go, hmm, did you list this last week? I've already I've already hearted it. So it sort of takes the groundwork out now because there's all these great sites and I've had pretty good luck with all of them, too.
Every once in a while, something will arrive broken or it's not exactly what you imagine. But I'd say 90 percent success rate as far as like the image matching the expectation when it shows up.
You know, I've just recently unlocked the buying the like vintage Turkish rugs or Persian rugs on Etsy. Oh, sure.
From Turkey. Absolutely.
From the source. Yep.
So much like inexpensive. Yep.
I just got some gorgeous ones from India. Yes.
One from Pakistan. I'm like, you go here and it is so marked up in in la because it's just like you know whatever but i found a major source for me yeah there's some really good stuff on there she got me into the rugs too and we walked because we were walking the streets in new york and we were like killing time and we popped into this really like cool rug place and there's this nice gentleman who's running the store had all these wonderful stories how much of they were true or know.
He was just trying to sell some rugs. I don't know.
But what he did teach us is how like when you buy like probably like a rug like this and you rub it like all these microfibers. But like when these old rugs, they're so old and kind of worn down, like you never, none of that comes up.
And it seems like it's better for you. And there's somehow like that patina that they have, that age that just a new rug just doesn't have.
You know, it's just, you know, part of it's kind of like faded. And it's like the character about it.
You just love it so much. If you had a new rug and you spilled something on it, you'd be devastated.
But then we go spend extra money to find a rug that looks like someone else already spilled something on it. I will say when it comes to these old Persian rugs, it's really easy to just take them outside and hose them down.
We've had like dogs have accidents on them. And Nick, yeah.
I'm just going to take it outside. I saw some hack about someone taking something.
Oh, I know what it was. I saw a hack where someone took it out in the snow, laid it out in the snow, rubbed it all down with snow, and thened it off with a broom afterwards and it's supposed to clean it really well.

I have not put this into action myself.

Is it like the ice or something?

I mean, maybe it's just...

Like it frees the stain or something?

Or maybe it's just

hosing it down like you

but not saturating with...

Maybe it just...

We'll certainly be able to try that out at the lake.

Dries faster because you're not...

Yeah.

No, there'll be plenty of snow.

Next thing you know,

you've got all your rugs out in the snow.

Hendricks, what did you...

Our neighbors are like, um, help. Your new project, Good American Family, we watched it.
It's, well, it's awesome, one. It's a fascinating story.
You're amazing in it. Like really the whole cast.
I mean, it's really- It's a great cast, yeah. It's a great cast, wonderful writing, great acting.
First of all, like how much of the story did you know before you were presented this opportunity of this project i mean because obviously it was like a national story people got into it i mean with as much information as there was out there i hadn't heard of it actually oh wow so my husband had as soon as i brought it to him he was like oh my gosh this story is so wild so my introduction was the script actually um so i read the script first and I thought, this cannot be from real news story. It just seems unfathomable that these things could have happened in someone's real life.
So I wanted to be a part of it because it was such an interesting, intriguing story. And then I immediately dove in and watched the ID series and did my know, did my research online.
And, you know, as an artist playing a role, like, do you feel like less able or willing to like form your own opinion as like a fan of the story or not necessarily a fan because it's a bit of a tragic story, but just someone who's been fascinated by the story and kind of like almost in a true crime way, just like have opinions, talk with family or friends about it or do you try to distance yourself from that you know when playing a character and doing during the time yeah during the time of filming well i also had it sort of interesting circumstances in that i got cast about 30 hours before i was supposed to be on set so not only did i not know the story i didn't have a lot of time with it so in that amount of time i read the all the scripts i watched everything there was of the id story out there at the time and i found any sort of interviews i could find with the characters and then just sort of stopped at that point locked into the script and had to work on a dialect you know with a different accent overnight so i just immediately stuck to then what was on the page and in that story. Now, since then, I'm still following the story and I'm incredibly curious.
But for our purposes and our storytelling, I just really stuck with what was on the page so that we still told our story. I'm even more impressed with your performance.
I mean, really like you, like watching you on Mad Men, right? Like I think the Christina I'm sitting here today, you see, you know, I can see a little bit of that character. It's a very different look and everything for me.
And then like you're playing Cynthia, Cynthia Mann, definitely different than that. Yeah.
Very, very different character. Very, very different dialect.
Yeah. We went in and created this look, you know, tried to take inspirations from the Real Life Cynthia and went and chose a wig and, you know, tried on different options, decided on that.
Took the different sort of ideas that we'd seen from some of the wardrobe that she wore and went into costumes and immediately started to put her together. And it just started to really come together to be this really different human.
And so I'm really proud of it because I feel like, you know, you might not recognize me when you first watch it. I remember showing people pictures of me when I, when I was first filming it and they're like, that's not you.
That's actually not you. You're kind of double take.
Yeah. But as an actor, that's what you want people to feel.
So it's great. Yeah.
That's amazing. So with your husband being aware of the story beforehand has he been gotten a chance to watch everything yet he's only seen the first episode i've seen all of them but he's watched he's gonna be watching as the audience watches yeah yeah he went to the premiere and he thought it was great and yeah he's excited to see the rest oh my god so what i mean what do you think about the story i mean it's just you know it, it's a very tragic story.
But I think what's so intriguing is that it went as far as it did. And it's a real he said, she said kind of situation.
And I think so much about the story is about who has the power and who had the power in this situation. And a young child, and say she was a young child that's been proven you know in in science and and it's out there but the fact that they were able to re-age her legally from age 8 to 22 and that this person didn't have a voice for herself and so i think one thing that's interesting about our show is we're going to show it all at once.
But the first half of the story, you're going to see it from the Barnett's point of view and understand how all these things were said and how they got to the place that now we're in a courthouse. And then halfway through, we shift to Natalia's point of view, and you're going to see just how different the allegations are and the experiences you realize god if we just always listen to this very reasonable looking family said so so we're going to believe it or we're going to listen to this and then you all these other sort of things start to come out and you realize wow you really need to look deeper in this story this is really a wild one and the character you play uh is painted in a pretty positive light in this project, but then stuff has come out about that family as well.
And there seems to be more and more layers. Yeah.
I mean, these people are still out there living their lives. This story is continuing on.
Our story is a very specific time of their story. So for all our purposes, I place Cynthia as someone who comes into Natalia's life in a time of need, takes her into the family, helps her legally, helps her with love and care and a place to stay.
And yes, there have been other things that continue to come out. And I think the public is still learning about, but for our purposes, I come in in a time of need.
Is this your first time doing a bio, like you're playing an actual person and you feel like you have to... There is research out there you can do about an actual person.
Have you done that? This is the first time I'm playing a real life living person. However, we do state at the beginning of each episode, this is a dramatization of this story.
Like Dulé Hill plays a cop in it, but he's an amalgamation of all the cops that were actually in this story. So our performances are inspired by these people.
The story has been altered here and there. But if you're familiar with the story, you're going to recognize a lot of what's going on.
And is that a weirder feeling, knowing that whoever you're playing is going to see it, watch it, critique it or have an opinion one way or the other? Well, how could you not? I mean, to have someone playing you on screen must be a very surreal experience. And of course, you've got your ideas of the story.
So I don't know how she'll respond to our depiction of it. When that question people always ask, who would play you in your life story? Yeah, I mean, that's a game.
That's like a game you play at parties, right? It's like, who would play you? Who would play you? Anne-Mar Anne Margaret. Ooh.
Who would play you guys? Oh, gosh. I don't know.
Emma Watson. Oh.
I was going to say like Jennifer Connelly. Ooh.
Right? Okay. Nick said yesterday I was sitting.
I don't know where he saw it. You were sitting and you said she was giving me a little Demi Moore.
Ooh, a little Demi Moore. Her hair was.
I'm not mad about it. I mean, I'm basing this off of physicality and just meeting you, but maybe there's a different sort of aura that someone else would.
That's true. Maybe the longer I knew you, I would say someone else.
I feel like Nick is definitely, I mean, like a Ryan Reynolds, Ryan Gosling, Theo James. Just any Ryan.
Yes. Any of the Ryans.
Ryan or Chris. Definitely Theo James James a lot.
Theo James. Just any Ryan.
Yes.

Any of the Ryans.

Ryan or Chris.

Definitely Theo James recently for sure.

Not that recently.

I don't see it, but I'll take it.

He's very handsome.

He's very handsome.

My husband worked with him.

Really?

Yeah.

On what?

On the Time Traveler's Wife.

Not the film, the series.

Oh.

Wow. I was out a few years ago.

Okay, yeah.

So we hear that you like reality TV.

I do. I'm a sucker.
You love that. I'm in.
How did you get introduced into reality TV? The very first show was Real Housewives of New York. I know that one of my best friends was watching it, and I was like, oh, no, what are you doing? You can't.
You can't. It's a betrayal to all actors.
You can't. It's against everything in our industry.
What have you done?

She was like, just watch one.

Hooked.

So hooked.

So fast.

Couldn't believe what I was watching.

And then, you know, that was the gateway drug.

That was like the OG cast or was that the new?

Girl, you think I just started watching this year?

I don't know.

OG cast.

Okay, okay, okay.

I was just making sure.

Yeah, no.

Because I've been doing this for a while.

I have heard that you like the current cast of New York. I do like them.
It was time. Yeah.
I feel like they, I don't feel like they hate each other enough. You know? I feel like they're all just like cool coworkers.
But okay, first of all, I feel like to a certain extent, Salt Lake, I'm calling you out because I feel like they feel like they can't exist on the show unless they start a fight in every single scene. Yeah.
Yeah. And it didn't used to be that way.
It used to be that it was a bunch of people and watching their lifestyle living in New York and following them around town and their families and their lifestyle and how they interacted. And then they would not get along here and there.
And then it was like, ooh, whoa, there's a little beef going on. That's interesting.
But the show wasn't about throwing hysterical fights. Right.
And I just feel like it's gotten, like the expectation is if you're going to get cut off the show, if you don't come in and blow shit up. I do feel like that because now I feel like when we watch something and there's not a fight, it's like, what a boring episode.

There was nothing that happened.

You know, it's like, where's the.

I loved the whole bit this year in New York where they were all making fun of Jenna's pubic hair.

Oh, yeah.

And they all like had the way they were all just laughing, getting along.

No one was fighting.

They were all in on it.

And it was an absolutely enjoyable, hilarious moment.

So you would almost like to see maybe

a little bit more sincere bonding. Some camaraderie.

Yeah, some camaraderie. That makes sense.

I don't need to see them all blowing up at each other.

How did you feel about Monica

Salt Lake City and that

whole exit? Were you like, it's time to leave?

Bungie? Yes.

I feel a little hoodwinked because I was

kind of team Monica at the beginning.

My husband was like, no, there's something going on here. He called it? He called it.
I was kind of like, you know, she's refreshing and like showing a different side of living in the city. I'm still mixed.
We were really hard on her because like as I was on reality TV way back when. And the idea when when one reality of aunties came out, like I was like of triggering for me the idea that like someone would betray you that way you sometimes interact with fan accounts or fans of the you know that interact with the show and you know the the gossip of the rumors and they like to do that and then they you know don't talk about you and that can you know be weird at first but to find out at when how I saw it first was, oh my God, if I found out that someone secretly became my friend and that found out that was a person who was like covering me behind my back.

Oh, I'd be furious.

I would just, it felt so icky and dirty.

Oh, it was icky and dirty.

But then we had an opportunity to interview Monica and she was here.

And honestly, I was kind of like.

I wish I'd heard that one.

Still out there.

Okay.

Check it out.

That's the thing about the internet.

Yeah.

Nothing goes away.

You know,

it's like,

definitely.

I was like,

you know,

she's messy and you know,

maybe she's told her.

What was her defense though?

Well,

her defense was like,

you know,

which I,

I believed is,

is like,

you know,

Lisa and Meredith,

like they all knew that she was a part of it. They even'd and interact with the reality of on Teese like they kind of do the same.
She was saying they were playing dumb a little bit. Yeah and kind of like guilty of very similar things but like maybe in a different way you know and I was you know the more I've gotten to watch or you know learn about Lisa just from the eyes of a fan, I kind of buy her reasoning a little bit.
But do you think that Bravo knew? No. Do you think that they were like, we know, but let's just see what happens? I really don't.
I think in my experience with producers, and I haven't met all of them, but when it comes to reality TV, they kind of believe in their shtick in a way. But aren't they doing background research? Yeah, but sometimes...
And she did hint at like... She claims.
She claims that someone knew then that person got fired and that person never told anyone else. Her story's a little fishy about that.
And I honestly don't... I mean, but also, would you blame a producer for letting that happen? I mean, drama will ensue.
I think my experience with the ITV producers is like that's a less organic way and like that's kind of a if they did stuff like that it's harder to get a cast next time because people are like you're burning too many bridges just for a moment right and it's kind of like a cheap and lazy way of getting good television and i actually i find that to be more truthful than not when it comes to producers. No, they're all, they're not, all producers aren't the same.
But knowing the production company that produces Salt Lake City and Shed Media and things like that, I just don't see it. And her story is a little, sounds a little bullshit about that one.
She's like, well, I kind of told somebody, I don't remember who and blah, blah and it's like okay have you ever pulled any

inspiration from any housewives or anyone for like a part or interesting question even like a party trick i mean listen there's lots of things in the home with quotes and you know yeah yeah yeah like merch from the franchise in the home.

So we do enjoy it.

And I'm trying to think, like, first of all, anytime you see one in the wild, it's the most exciting celebrity sighting of all. Yeah.
And they know it. I feel like they're all like, I know, I know.
Like, you're getting excited. I can feel your energy.
I'm like on an escalator being like, oh, my God, I'm behind the countess or something, you know. So I've met quite a few of them, which has been fun for me.
But I do refrain from asking too many like personal questions. I just go, I love your show.
I love you on it. I'm so excited.
This is amazing. Has there been one in particular that you got a little starstruck from? They're all exciting.
I mean, let's go through the list of the ones I've seen in the wild. Yeah.
Jill Zarin. Most of the Beverly Hills Housewives, because we live here.
So you're going to see them out. My husband's seen Sonia many times.
That's one I would really love to see. Bethany I've been on shows with.
So that was fun. And she was really nice.
She sent over a whole big package of skinny girl stuff afterwards. So that was a good perk.
And you have some housewife merch at home? Well, we have, my husband keeps his pins in a mug with the Countess's mug shot.

I mean, it's perfect.

I got to fan her on this count.

Yeah, she was.

When we were seating up, I also met the Countess years ago in Chicago.

I mean, she's fabulous.

She's fabulous.

There is a tray next to my husband's bed that I got him for a stocking one year that I think it just says, you smell like hospital. So there's that.
It's a good quote from Salt Lake. Yeah, but I honestly understood where she was coming from.
Yeah, you were like, we all know what that is. We all know what it is.
It was just like such a strange comment. It was so strange.
Yeah. But well-timed.
Is Housewives your favorite franchise? I would say so. Okay.
I do like Below Deck, but then when we start to get into like Summer House and stuff like, like in Winter House, like I'll watch it, but begrudgingly. Okay.
But it's just sort of like scratches that itch where I just, when I just want to not think about work and just have that soothing salve of reality. Is it like you're going to bed show or is it like Sunday during the day you've got just like nothing going on you're just hanging out? I have very specific things that I watch during the day and things that I watch in the evening.
Really? And day if I'm going to watch television during the day it is relegated to like home shows like redecorating rebuilding those are my daytime shows. Something that if someone walked in they wouldn't be like are you watching they'd be like oh they'd be like oh you're educating yourself yeah yeah exactly it's almost like classes in session it's like yeah it's a work hours yeah it's sort of that like that's like you know diy projects get inspiration and then when you know when the day ends the last work calls have been had, then we can go into our nighttime programming.
You can get into great scripted shows and then fill it in with your reality TV. Are you a big fan of any scripted shows that are currently out right now? I mean, White Lotus.
I mean, the creme de la creme is everybody's favorite. Do you think, and I have this kind of theory theory i feel like what's so popular about white lotus i feel like it's a it's a scripted show written as a reality tv show in in that you're sort of you're following these like humans and it's like it seems like almost like a character study on like family dynamics and interpersonal relationships and like mike white the creator and director like kind of famously was on survivor and right and then you hear about like his inspirations for some of these families and like the more i thought about that it's like wow i honestly feel like i'm watching a sometimes watching a reality tv show you're putting you're putting a bunch of characters in in one spot which is like putting them in a home kind of thing so you've got them you've got this one environment and you're watching sometimes people behaving badly and you're watching it kind of spiral out of control.
So yeah, I can see how you would. Yeah.
And the ensemble of it all. Yeah.
That makes sense. Do you feel like you're able to, I mean, I can't imagine because I'm not an actor, but watching a scripted show, do you find yourself like kind of working in a sense where you're thinking like, oh, how would I have done that? Or, oh, that was an interesting, you know, kind of just like watching every move that actors make.
I think so. I mean, I would say I can still watch something and be whisked away into, you know, just the performance and the drama and stuff.
But of course, I'm always aware of certain things. That's where the reality TV comes in.
I'm not wondering why I didn't get the audition. I'm not looking at someone's performance.
I'm not wondering, you know, why the Steadicam is doing what it's doing. I'm just like, oh, there's the boom.
No one cares. No one cares.
No one cares that there's a reflection of the entire crew there. It's more like, oh, we're breaking the fourth wall.
Here we go. I'm just like, this has nothing to do with what I do.
So I'm truly able to just relax and enjoy because it has nothing to do with work. I think so.
And even though I can enjoy a film or a series and completely immerse myself, I'm always like, I want to be on this show. How come I didn't get the audition for this show? Yeah, I feel that same way.
You can call me. I'm available.
And I am not even an actor. And I'm also like, I feel like I could be in this.
Yeah, well, you probably could. I know you're less tuned in to like the Southern Charms and Summer Houses.
No, I watch Houses, but have you been following the breakup of Craig and Paige?

Yeah.

Well, I don't.

Okay.

Here's where I draw the line.

I don't turn the show off and then go look it up online.

It's strictly a TV show.

It's just when it's on.

I have friends who will send me like, did you hear?

Okay.

And I'll sometimes find out.

So I do know that they've broken up, but I wouldn't know it from watching right now where i'm at in the series they're not i don't mean to spoil it for you no no i knew i knew that's why i'm watching all this build up as we're watching pages behavior and watching is that do you you set like that boundary out of like respect for the them or you're just like i don't got the time to follow the drama i i have to at some point cut these people cannot consume my entire life i have to like at some point cut it off you know did you get into the scandal at all okay so i didn't watch vanderpump at all until that was how i got in the last two seasons because my husband was like apparently it's explosive oh no my husband way more into reality tv than i am really yeah way more i mean some of the shows that he has watched one season wonders that came and went like the most so when you were like i think i'm hooked to real housewives of new york was he like yes finally like we get to watch this together every once in a while i'll be like you know i i'm i'm done with such and such he goes don't say that you that. You're scaring me.
Wait, you can't pull out now. What are you talking about? We have a deal.
Yeah, he gets very scared when I might be abandoning a certain show. He's like, no, no, no.
Like, I cannot do Southern Hospitality. I will not.
I cannot. He's addicted.
He watches it alone. It's pretty good.
He watches it alone. I know.
Trust me, I keep hearing about little tidbits. Because if he liked Vanderpump, it makes sense.
He loved Vanderpump. So I only watched it the last two seasons.
And then, of course, was obviously hooked like the rest of the world. But there were lots of people like me who came in on the end of that one.
Yeah. I didn't start watching until that.
And then now they're all gone right when I got hooked. Yeah.
Because they're not coming back, right? No. Does the show come back at all? Or is it like new cast? Or is it just us? Well, the Valley, have you watched? Of course, of course I watched the Valley.
Okay, so we're gonna... I found the Valley actually kind of deeper.
Like, I felt like they were talking about real stuff. Sure, because now it's like we're out of the bars.
We're kind of into real life. Some of them are having kids.
They got divorced. I found it like that they touched on subjects that were quite interesting.
Yeah, I think this season is going to be. I'm definitely looking forward to it.
When does it come out? Soon. It's been a minute.
It's been a minute. We could all get together for our anniversaries and watch it.
You should check out Temptation Island on Netflix if you have. No, no, no.
My husband, first of all, he sings the song all the time. He's like, you're not going to tempt me.
And he has a dance that he does with it. I'm telling you, it's a whole, it's tragic.
That's where you draw the line? Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of lines drawn that he keeps crossing, but I don't know.
Have you gotten, have you seen Temptation Island? Are you like, I'm not even going to be a part of this? I watched one. I was like, no, I don't, I, I prefer my reality TV when it's not a game.
Okay. When it's like, there's just their lives.
It's just their lives. Okay.
Did you get a chance to work with, you know, some of the cast that you didn't perform with on this project? Or, you know, sometimes like when you're kind of in and out, like when you got hired. Right.
I'm guessing they had already been working on this project.

Did you get to interact with like Ellen and the rest of the cast all that much?

So they were already on episode five when I entered.

And I'm such a fan of Ellen and Mark Duplass, Ellen Pompeo and Mark Duplass, just to clarify.

And I wanted to work with them so badly.

And I have some courtroom scenes with them. But really really the story kind of shifts from their perspective to mine.
So when I come in, there's sort of, I mean, there's still prevalent in the entire thing, but we start to focus on different sort of storylines. So I didn't really get to have like really good meaty scenes with them, but Ellen was also a producer on it.
So when I first came in, because I came in so fast and furious, she was like, what do we need to do to make sure that you can get your job done in the best way? Who's let's get the dialect coach on the phone. Like, how can we make this easy for you? Like, we're so grateful that you jumped in last minute.
We're sorry, but we're glad you're here. And she just really like came in, made me feel comfortable.
And I was like, okay, I'm like, someone's got my back. So she was a great producer.
and she just really like came in made me feel comfortable and i was like okay i'm like someone's got my back so she was a great producer and i was really grateful for her in that way so you know maybe one day i'll get to really do a great scene when you got the call of like you booked this job it was like you booked it and you have to leave in two days do you know why that like why did someone fall out or well that's what i assumed i just i just called my manager and i He said there had to have been another actress in this days. Do you know why that happened? Like why did someone fall out? Well, that's what I assumed.
I just called my manager and I said, there had to have been another actress in this role. They just couldn't find the right person? They said that there wasn't.
They might've just been saying that to make me feel better. I don't care.
I mean, we all get jobs because someone else dropped out. That's how most people get their job.
So I'm not exactly sure why they waited to the last minute. And I was like, you guys, this is not how it's supposed to be done.
You can do, I mean, because I wanted to, you know, I want to do my best work and really, you know, spend time with the material. So, I mean, there's something to be said for survival skills.
And so I just dove in and made it my absolute 100% attention. And that's all I focused on for that time.
But, you know, you'd have to ask them how that came about. I'm not sure.
Because other people were cast ahead of time. Yeah, which is kind of fascinating.
Yeah. Are you the type of actress that after a scene, do you want to watch it back or do you trust the director to be like, got it, we're good? I think you're talking about maybe watching dailies at the end of the day, everything that was filmed during that day.
I don't watch them. Even when I'm producing something, I don't necessarily watch it because I know that I can be overly critical.
I do trust that between the director and our producers and our editors, that they're going to, you know, come up with what's best for our storytelling. I'll go in there and I'll be like, wait a minute, my nose is crooked.
I'll start to look at things that can't be changed no matter what, so it doesn't matter. And so I sort of trust the process with that.
If I were in there directing or doing something, of course I would definitely be. But if it's just me acting, I try to sort of just put down what I put down and trust it.
Yeah. How much do you reminisce about your Mad Men days?

Obviously like iconic show.

Some people call it the best television show ever.

Some people meaning you guys.

And a lot of other people as well.

But yeah,

like when you're a part of something that special and that successful,

like what's your relationship with the show and, and you know, whether it's, show and whether it gets streamed on AMC

or you see it or how, yeah.

I haven't watched it in a really, really long time.

And I think it might be nice.

I might be ready to rewatch it.

I watched it when it was on at the time.

The thing is, I don't have to reminisce very often.

It's very present still in people's lives.

Oh, yeah.

The way that people can stream now, I mean, there's a whole new audience seeing it. A lot of people are re-watching it.
A lot of people re-watched it during COVID. And then that's already been five years and people are like, oh, I watched it during COVID.
Now I'm watching it for my third time around. And then there's some people who are just hearing about it and watching it for the first time.
And I think something about the fact that it was a period piece, it's timeless. You're not going to go back and go, oh, that feels very 10 years ago.
Oh, yeah. Because it's really… Oh, they flip phones.
Yeah, exactly. Even when you watch it originally, it was out of time.
So that's kind of a great thing for us. So I would say daily people come up and bring bring it up.
So it's not sort of, I have to go like, well, remember when I was like, it's very much sort of people are like, still like, John. There's such a vibe to the show or like, I don't know, especially if you like that period and like, it really puts you in a certain kind of mood.
You know, there's very, it's never very nostalgic. It's, it's, it's very, sometimes you find find various shows that like you just want to feel a certain type of feeling and i that men's very good about that how does it make you guys feel well i always really like the fashion and things like that and obviously there's a lot of like toxicity with some of the characters and how things were back then slightly dangerous yeah like i you know there's a there's a cool coolness vibe to it and there's like a style vibe.
Like it's from a guy standpoint I've always really enjoyed. So like, yeah, that's always the vibe.
I think that was one of the things is that, you know, for women, we enjoy fashion quite a bit. I'm not just saying all women enjoy fashion.
But there was something about Mad Men that all of a sudden men felt like they had something to aesthetically strive to. whether it was the fashion or even just all of a sudden men felt like they had something to aesthetically strive to,

whether it was the fashion or even just all of a sudden decorating your home with mid-century, that became very, very popular again because it was sort of back in public eye again. It's not like we invented the 60s.
It's just we brought it back and we did it in this very sort of sleek and stylish way. And so I think there was an element of, you know, acting a little bit bad that felt fun.
You know, all the smoking and drinking and philandering felt naughty. And then things looked great.
And you've got these, you know, these guys behaving sort of badly, but they look fabulous. And they're in these great ties.
And I mean, you would not believe how many people came up and said, oh, our office party was a madman party for years. And I was like, it's just like, you know, we can act a little bad at work.
So I think people enjoyed that for a very long time. Are there any projects out there or types of projects that you're looking to do or would be like a dream type of project? I mean, I've always been really bad about planning.
I never have sort of said, this is what I would like to be the next thing. Like this year, I have Small Town Big Story coming out, which is like a modern day Irish comedy.
Then we have Good American Family, which is a little bit psychological thriller, family drama, courtroom drama. And then I've got The Buccaneers, which is like a romantic Victorian period piece coming out in a month.
So I feel so lucky that I get to play in all these different fields and get to try things on and comedy here and drama here. So I feel really lucky.
But I mean, I've never done like a good old, like Meg Ryan rom-com.

I would love to do something like that.

You know,

like I think that would be really fun.

I need to make more rom-coms.

Yeah.

But like adult rom-coms.

Yeah.

Like a Meg Ryan,

like you got mail.

Yeah.

Great film.

Exactly.

What a great film,

right?

I would love that.

Underappreciated,

you know,

and White Lotus,

by the way, White Lotus. Oh yeah.
See, honestly, I feel like you would be a great character choice for that. See, this is what I'm saying.
Truly. Put it out there.
Hey, Mike, if you're listening. We're putting it out there, along with every other actor.
Me too. Did you meet your husband? How did I meet him? Well, I met him working together, although we didn't really know each other that well then.
Well, it wasn't hot then. We were just friends.
In fact, I don't even think we spoke until near the end of the series. And then we shot it in Atlanta.
So then the whole show moved to Los Angeles. And so I didn't actually see him for a couple of years after that.
So we were friendly because we were into music and we had some of the other writers. we would all text each other like, have you heard of this band or have you heard this new song? And so we kind of were aware of each other through that, but it wasn't until a couple of years later.
Who made the first move? Well, I texted him and I said, I'm coming to New York. I was going there to sell my apartment.
And so we decided to meet at Barney's for lunch. And so we went to Barney's and then there was, you know, a little flirtation going on there.
And then, and then during COVID, we were, you know, sort of having this long distance, you know, phone relationship and stuff. And he said, I think, I hear things are going to shut down.
And I was like, well, you should get on a plane and come out and visit. Like my show's not shutting down, but, and then two days later, it was like, the whole country shut down.
And then he sort of came out and we realized that, you know, being around each other all the time was really excellent and fun. It's interesting how timelines, because we kind of got to- Similar thing for you guys? You know, we were hanging out before COVID started.
We were in New York when things were getting crazy. And then like, she had spent a week with me.
Like, COVID was the first time we spent like any length of time because she was living in Georgia. It is crazy.
And then she had spent a week with me.

COVID was the first time we spent any length of time

because she was living in Georgia.

It is crazy how I feel like COVID

made some relationships.

And then we got married

right around the same time.

I know, you guys.

Hopefully things really work out for you.

I was like, what are you guys doing next?

We're both renovating our homes

at the same time.

Best friends forever. What is your plan next? You're like, I guess that's what are you guys doing next? We're both renovating our homes at the same time.
Oh, my gosh. Best friends forever.
Yeah, what is your plan next? Because we'll do the same. You're like, I guess that's what we're doing.
You're from the South? Born in the South. Well, I was born in Tennessee.
But yes, the South. But I don't have it.
I moved when I was a baby and then moved to Georgia and was still a baby. So I really feel like I grew up in Oregon and Idaho, which is very West Coast.
Yeah, yeah. So I do have a family in the South in Georgia and South Carolina.
So I definitely have a connection there and go back there. And sometimes when I get tired or tipsy, I get a little Southern sounding.
Yeah. My father was in forest service and he would um apply to jobs in different states and move us to another state and and uh so we jumped around a lot yeah was there a point in like your childhood where y'all stopped jumping around or was it kind of like i'm in middle school here i'm in middle school here i'm yeah it was it was sort of like every four or five years we were up and gone.
So it was fairly consistent. And then right out of high school, I moved to New York City.
And so I kept the moving around going. And now I've lived in Los Angeles since 97.
Oh my gosh, it's time to go. it's the longest I've obviously lived anywhere in my entire life more than half my life and my mother's here and my

brother's here and I've got

amazing friends here so this is home now

yeah It's the longest I've obviously lived anywhere in my entire life, more than half my life. And my mother's here and my brother's here.
And I've got amazing friends here. So this is home now.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Awesome.
Well, this has been so much fun chatting with you. Congratulations on an amazing project.
For those of you who haven't watched it, I'm sure you've heard of it. You're probably already watching it.
But in case you haven't, it's on Hulu. It's called Good American Family.
And it's awesome. So check it out.
And thank you thank you so much for joining us so much fun you'll have to come back and like talk yes and i want to see pictures next time i want like updated photos of the lake house i want to see the progress of everything and if for any reason whatsoever if you are promoting a project not promoting a project but if you're like want to just come in here and talk with us about housewives or a TV show, we will always love to have you back. Listen, I got to bring my husband in too.
You have to bring my husband in. We would like that.
You have to. He's the scholar.
He's the scholar. We just love people with good hot takes when it comes to those shows.
All right. I'll be back.
All right. Thanks, guys.
Love that. All right.
Well, thanks for listening. Thank you to our guests, Aaron and Abe, as well as Christina Hendricks.
Don't forget tomorrow, a very explosive episode with Ali Luber for Going Deeper. And then on Thursday, the ladies of Disrespectfully, Katie and Dana, join us for Reality Recap.
It's a big week. We'll see you next time.
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