E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm

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Speaker 2 What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition.

Speaker 2 I am your host, Nick, and boy, do we have a jam-packed week lined up for you guys and a great episode. Excited to be getting into it with you guys.

Speaker 2 Excited to.

Speaker 3 Are you struggling to say y'all? I feel like sometimes

Speaker 3 it's not like

Speaker 2 obviously it's not like it's not in my blood. You know, it's, it's not who I am.
It's, it's more who I want to be.

Speaker 3 Yeah. It does feel like you try to say it, but then you're like, you guys and everybody.

Speaker 2 Yeah. You know, it's, it's a work in progress, but I'm excited for y'all to listen to this week.
Y'all, y'all?

Speaker 2 You guys?

Speaker 6 Sounded real natural.

Speaker 8 I feel like y'all is Midwest.

Speaker 2 Y'all is going to be Midwest.

Speaker 2 Y'all is not Midwest. It's definitely not Midwest.

Speaker 8 I guess, yeah, you guys is very, I guess, like

Speaker 8 the southern part of Midwest, like Missouri.

Speaker 2 You guys, you guys, you guys, you guys.

Speaker 8 You guys

Speaker 8 get a little Pittsburgh in there.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Use.
Use. That's very Midwest.
You guys. Use.
Yeah. Yeah.
That's real.

Speaker 2 Upper Upper Wisconsin. Use.

Speaker 2 Use guys going to game. Use guys going? Oh, my God.
This is way too much.

Speaker 2 if you're saying you don't have to also say guys well people do though aaron leachy and her husband abe are joining us shortly to talk a little bravo that not not only are they bravo stars themselves but they are also bravo fans and they're here to talk a little summer house uh a little uh do they also watch southern charm too oh fun And a little white lotus.

Speaker 2 They are also into prestige television. The finale was last night.
We'll get into our thoughts when Aaron and Abe join us. Like, let's just satisfy, dissatisfied.

Speaker 3 Two thumbs down. Dissatisfied.

Speaker 2 Two thumbs down. Two thumbs up.

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah. I think I'm like...
That's marinating. I'm one thumb down, one thumb up.
You know what I'm saying? Same.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 My big takeaway, my big takeaway is like the big fans of prestige television, like

Speaker 2 whoever they are, you know, obviously we cover a lot of reality TV. We have our hardcore fans, but like sometimes the hardcore fans of prestige television are really fucking obnoxious.

Speaker 2 They take themselves very seriously, you know?

Speaker 2 Like every, every scene, like any good scene when like Carrie Kuhn delivered that like monologue at the end of the finale, and everyone's like, oh, give her the Emmy.

Speaker 2 Like every scene, there's a tweet that says, give someone an Emmy. It's just like, maybe, you know, honestly, it was fine.
It was totally fine. She had a tear.

Speaker 2 It was a really good scene by Carrie Kuhn. And maybe she will win an Emmy.

Speaker 3 But like every episode, some fan of like this show is like give him an Eddie or it's like some critic is just like talking about how that monologue didn't fit in this episode it was just like I don't know you guys it's just it's a fucking show man just chill the fuck out people are saying they're like comparing every scene with Rick and Chelsea to Meredith Gray's pick me choose me speech and they're like every time I see uh Rick and Chelsea have a scene together, it's giving me the same cringe as the pick me choose me speech.

Speaker 3 And I'm like, I think they're so lovely together. You think Chelsea and Rick are lovely together?

Speaker 2 Oh my god. Oh my god, love them.

Speaker 2 They are the, they are love. They are love.

Speaker 10 Bonnie and Clyde.

Speaker 6 Well, she was.

Speaker 8 He was childhood trauma. She was love.
He was childhood trauma.

Speaker 2 You can't do love. No, he loved her.
He couldn't get past her. I'm not saying it was healthy love.
I'm not saying it was, you know, but like.

Speaker 3 He was troubled, but he loved her.

Speaker 2 We want everyone to like feel about us the way those two people are.

Speaker 3 No, we don't give a fuck what people feel about us.

Speaker 2 Not us, just people. Oh, yeah.
Like, I mean, it's like we just want,

Speaker 2 we don't want someone to love us the way they loved each other. All I'm going to say is it was a therapist's fault.
It was a therapist's fault.

Speaker 3 Oh, this, yeah, the stress for not to take stress management.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he said, I need to talk to you right now. It was very clear.
You could see it in his eyes. She was like, and I'll be back in an hour.

Speaker 3 It was like, sit on this bench for one hour, not like five minutes, ten minutes, like one whole hour.

Speaker 2 Did you tell someone like on the edge of a bridge that they would be back in an hour? Because this, this man was on edge, literally.

Speaker 8 I don't know. Do you go back to the hotel that you threatened a man at after you threatened a man?

Speaker 2 Again, mental health problems. Like, he's not thinking about it.

Speaker 3 He had to get Chelsea.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he got to lose the love of Chelsea deserts. He had to eat breakfast.

Speaker 8 She does.

Speaker 2 Can we talk about a couple White Lotus beeline stories? One, the one that Woody

Speaker 2 was supposed to play Walton's role.

Speaker 2 Sam Rockwell. Sam Rockwell.
He was apparently up for potentially one of the two. Now, allegedly, or not allegedly, apparently, not even apparently.
Is it apparently? I think it's apparently.

Speaker 2 Apparently. Confirmed.
Confirmed that all the actors, all the lead actors on White Lotus make the same. That's like a Mike White rule or something.

Speaker 2 Like he just, everyone, it's all fair in love in filming. And the speculation was that Woody was like, I'm Woody Harrelson.
You're like, you know,

Speaker 2 I make 20 mil per movie. or so I don't know if he actually said that.
But he came out and said that's not true. He opted for a family vacation.

Speaker 8 Yeah, he wanted the real thing.

Speaker 3 How family-oriented for him to be like, you know what? I'm going to turn down the hottest show

Speaker 3 to just go to like, you know, a cabin with my family.

Speaker 2 I'm glad it worked out the way it did. First of all, Walton and Sam were incredible in both these roles.
I don't think anyone could do better.

Speaker 2 And I'm a huge fan of Woody, but I don't think, I think this show's beneath Woody. No offense to White Lotus.

Speaker 2 Like, I want to see, I want to see like good character actors that, you know, you've seen in a handful of shows like this, where, you know, like Jason Isaac or up-and-comers like Patrick Schwarzenegger.

Speaker 2 I think this show is about like showcasing talent that we've either not noticed or underappreciated. Like we don't need Woody Harrelson for this show.

Speaker 2 Like, I just feel like it, I mean, Sam, Sam Rockwell

Speaker 2 is in Woody's conversation. Caliber.
He certainly is a caliber. I think Sam still like flies under the radar sometimes, unlike Woody.
I don't know. I think Sam Rockwell is one of like my

Speaker 2 dream guests in terms of or dream dream hangs. Like honestly, just dream hangs.

Speaker 2 I heard that Sam Rockwell when he was back in the day when he was like an up-and-coming actor, he would come into an audition and act like he didn't have the sides. Like he didn't have the script?

Speaker 2 Yeah, the script. The sides.
The sides.

Speaker 2 He would get the script and he would act like he has to learn it on a fly, even though he's been like, he's already practiced them.

Speaker 2 And he would come in and audition as if like he just saw the script and giving them this impression that he just like figured it out on the fly, which I thought was pretty badass. And then

Speaker 2 my Woody Harrelson story. I don't know if I ever told this story, but it's one of my life, it's one of my Hollywood regrets.

Speaker 2 Right after I was The Bachelor, I was on Jones on 3rd having a turkey sandwich, a turkey club sandwich in the corner by myself. It was like right after The Bachelor season aired.

Speaker 2 And a man came up to me, tapped me on the shoulder, and it looked exactly like Woody Harrelson, but it wasn't. It was his brother, according to this man.
And he was very nice and very lovely.

Speaker 2 And he's like, Hi, I'm Woody Harrelson's brother. And he's like, I watched you on The Bachelor, big fan of the show.
And he's like, Hey, and he offered me like good weed.

Speaker 2 He offered me like Woody Harrelson weed. And I declined.
I was like, kind of caught off guard. This man looked exactly like Woody Harrelson.
Anyways, it's a, it's definitely a life regret.

Speaker 2 I, uh, I wish I would have not turned it down. I wish I would have just said yes to this opportunity, whether it's actually his brother or not, and just like went with it.

Speaker 3 Because maybe, maybe, no, I could be smoking buddies with Woody Harrelson right now there was a headline about Turkish tourism set to collapse after Walton Goggins makes receding hairlines look kind of sexy does it though and here's my take on this I think Walton Goggins wears his receding hairline and his bald spot with confidence and well right he wears it well he wears it well is it receding hairlines if they're sexy what about bald spots are we also are we also is he also making bald spots sexy because he has a bit of both he does have a bit of both.

Speaker 8 I think it's less about making a receding hairline or a bald spot sexy. And I think it's just Walton Goggins' absolute charisma and confidence and charm.

Speaker 6 Exactly.

Speaker 2 So turkey's okay. We don't have to worry about people who aren't going to be able to do that.

Speaker 8 I think turkey's fine.

Speaker 3 If the men just like

Speaker 3 wore their bald spots or receding hairlines with confidence.

Speaker 3 Or if they have such a big bald spot and they're just holding on to like barely anything, it's like, just go ahead and shave it off.

Speaker 3 Like, just be bald some women love a bald man have you guys ever heard of um r slash bald it's a it's a reddit thread of guys it's the most wholesome reddit thread i've ever seen is it just a bunch of guys like cheerleading yes it's being like you look so good dude like this is awesome and it's like guys it's like guys posting pictures a friend told me about it i will say i have found myself on toupee tick tock and it's the toupee queen who creates toupees for these men and it's all these men They come in and they have, they definitely need some work done.

Speaker 3 And she attaches that toupee and she glues it down.

Speaker 2 Yeah, they glue on. They glue it on.

Speaker 3 And then she's like, no working out. You can't get that head hot.
And then the way that they try to like stick their fingers through it, but it's just like stiff, non-moving hair.

Speaker 3 It's interesting.

Speaker 2 My sister's ex-fiancé did the glue toupee for a minute. Then he had a gambling problem and he couldn't afford it anymore.
So he had to let go of it.

Speaker 3 It does seem like an ex there she was like all right well if you do work out and you you're in the sun a lot and your head sweats you'll have to get it redone every two weeks i was like

Speaker 2 holy two weeks i think just find this red reddit thread and just get some moral support and if you guys are struggling r slash bald it's a beautiful community or go to turkey this story about the composer for white lotus quitting i i i'm triggered by it this it's quite stupid it's just utter stupidity by this composer.

Speaker 2 Set your ego aside, bro. Like, if I understanding this story, it's just like Mike Wike and this composer got together.
They changed the theme song for episode season three, right?

Speaker 2 And then he wanted the full version released. Mike White shot him down.
And now he got all mad about it and quit. So like, this is like, dude, you got hired by a show for a show to write for the show.

Speaker 2 Like, do your job and like set your ego aside.

Speaker 2 And because like he got triggered, it sounded like because when episode one came out and the song came out, everyone was like, oh, this isn't the like infamous infamous or famous, like, white lotus song that we all loved and we all got excited about.

Speaker 2 I'll tell you what, though, I fucking love the new song. It grew on me.
Like, I think it grew on a lot of people. But it's always jarring at first when you're expecting one thing and you get another.

Speaker 2 And this guy got all like, you know, salty about it. And then now he's like decided to announce publicly that he's quitting the show.
Like, why would you want to work with that guy?

Speaker 2 You know, if you're another showrunner or director, why would you want to bother like hiring someone who's just going to make your life more difficult i mean like it's a nice song but i bet there's other composers out there who can write music but i mean arguably you could say like his music made white lotus what it is popular for like the yeah he's he quotes it as the oolulu's where it's like everybody knows the oolulus but it's like if he feels i don't think that i don't think the composer made this show famous i i think like white it's definitely part well what mike white has done correctly as the creator of white lotus is understanding how to like bring the best people for the job there's more than one into the scene in this world i'm just saying, like, you know, there's, you know, every, every, every season, we get excited about various cast members.

Speaker 2 We're talking about actors. We've, you know, Walton.
Walton. And we're talking about him in ways that we haven't, you know, we've seen Walton in a lot of movies and a lot of shows.

Speaker 2 He's in like almost every HBO show. He's been in a lot of great stuff.
I've been a fan of him for a long time. I've been a fan of him longer than I really knew his full name.

Speaker 2 And it's shows like these that are like popular in the zeitgeist of pop culture that really make working actors actors stars. Like, and it's the whole show.

Speaker 2 It's not just like one person, but if there is any one person, it's Mike Wike. It's not some composer for like coming up with a catchy tune.

Speaker 2 I bet like, I bet like they can find other composers to coming up with catchy tunes. I don't know.

Speaker 2 It's just, it's just like a perfect example of like one person like allowing a moment to like, you know, get to their head and act like a diva. I don't know.

Speaker 2 This is to me, this is diva behavior by the, by the composer.

Speaker 8 It's also interesting because it's like very common for

Speaker 8 these kinds of things to happen. Like sometimes like creative partnerships, you just like don't click with people and then it doesn't work out and you do leave for creative differences.

Speaker 8 But to go on like a whole press tour about

Speaker 2 a choice. This composer's literally trying to make it about them.

Speaker 2 He's just out there like, you know, being kind of messy about it, talking about how he didn't even let Mike White know in person that like we're all kind of finding out at the same time just because like Mike didn't want to like drop the whole track on YouTube.

Speaker 2 It's like, come on, that's so silly.

Speaker 6 Parker Posey also forgot who died.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 9 Girl.

Speaker 2 I actually don't, I don't believe that. I think she just said that, and we just believe it because it's Parker Posey.

Speaker 3 Charlotte LeBon, who plays Chloe Gregg's girlfriend, did say that like everyone's gonna hate Mike White.

Speaker 2 And a lot of people had strong feelings about it.

Speaker 6 But yeah, I wasn't very happy with the finale, I will say.

Speaker 6 I was just expecting a lot more. I was expecting a lot more.
I was like, I just think you can't top the yacht scene with Jennifer Coolidge last season. It was epic.

Speaker 6 And I'm just sorry this one fell short for me.

Speaker 3 The backtracking is what got me.

Speaker 10 Did you guys see the headline of Eric Conover, the New York City real estate agent?

Speaker 2 I'm obsessed with this story.

Speaker 10 He's now being charged. He's being charged with attempted murder after allegedly striking a police officer with his car.

Speaker 2 Why are you obsessed with this story?

Speaker 2 I'm just like fascinated by like some, like, I think when it comes to like the celebrity public figure space, I think it's a mix of incredibly normal people who have either incredible talent or had some luck and made, you know, made something work, you know, or people who are just psychopaths who know how to lie and manipulate other celebrities to get access to them.

Speaker 2 Like this guy who is filmed, he's filmed with like Chris Hemsworth and other like public figures. He has his whole like YouTube platform.

Speaker 2 And the more we find out about this guy, this guy sounds like an absolute sociopath, like an absolute psycho. He tried to run over a cop.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 There's this video of him talking about how he's going to eviscerate everyone with his intelligence.

Speaker 2 It just reminds me just how in Hollywood, like if you make it or if you make it a celebrity, it's like you feel very alone, right? You don't really know who to trust.

Speaker 2 And whether you're like this, an A-list celebrity or a D-list celebrity, so much about like making friends and like who your circle of influence is is about like who you can trust or who can help you out.

Speaker 2 And then when if you become like a famous person overnight or, you know, like, or even if a reality TV star, you get a little celebrity, like even your friends or like, you know, family members, like cousins start treating you weirder differently, right?

Speaker 2 Because they don't really know how to be around

Speaker 2 celebrities, right? And so sometimes celebrities are looking for people who know how to act normal around them, right? They don't necessarily, they don't want to become friends with fans.

Speaker 2 They want to become friends with people who treat them as equals, right?

Speaker 2 So that allows a certain type of person to infiltrate these like celebrity circles sometimes because they're very good at like playing a role.

Speaker 2 Like the Anna Delvey story, like that whole story was based around this character who could act the part, who could like be in these rooms of super powerful, super rich people and act like she belonged there.

Speaker 2 And that kind of ability to do that allows certain types of people, like it seems like this guy, to, you know, to get someone like Chris Hemsworth to like trust him or like film with him because like Chris is like, oh, this must seem, this guy's a successful guy.

Speaker 2 He has other successful friends, but there's a certain type of person who just lies through their teeth and they're total like sociopaths and they get access to like various celebrities.

Speaker 2 Like I feel like every normal celebrity has had an interaction with a total sociopath because like they thought they could be trusted or they acted the part.

Speaker 2 And I think this is like a huge, like, I think this is like a, this is the type of person that every once in a while reveals themselves to be like, oh, we should not have been fucking with that guy because it turns out they're a total sociopath and they're not who they said they were.

Speaker 2 There's nothing authentic about them. They're just crazy as fuck and they've been lying the whole time.

Speaker 6 100%. I mean, I think that exists everywhere, but I'm just like, even then, his whole claim to fame was him trying to be a real estate, luxury real estate agent.

Speaker 6 And he got really well known in 2018 because he started doing collaborations with Ryan Surhart, who does a million-dollar listing for Bravo.

Speaker 6 So it's like, and obviously when you're a luxury real estate agent, your Rolodex is going to be filled, depending upon where you live, LA, New York, it's going to be filled with most likely celebrity clients because they can afford the real estate that you're trying to sell.

Speaker 6 So in the process of that, not only, but I do think the thing that you need to be wary about are people that want to just be public figures.

Speaker 6 Like actors become famous because it's part of it, but it's like they're honing in on their skill, their craft.

Speaker 6 And it just so happens to be in the public, you know, that the public needs to respond for them to be successful.

Speaker 6 But I'm like, when you're going out to be a public figure, like he documented his whole body change. He got on Raya.

Speaker 6 I I told you he matched with one of my roommates and he was willing to like fly her out and this whole thing. And I was like, maybe not after watching a couple of his videos because he's very like,

Speaker 6 welcome to. And I was just like, it's very like, what's his real personality? You don't know.

Speaker 6 So yeah, he's put on an entire front this entire time as this like well put together luxury real estate agent and then obviously you saw the video after he was detained and this man is unhinged and he's literally sitting there saying that he wants to eviscerate people that he's like, if you want to test my competence, like literally threatening whoever is interrogating him.

Speaker 6 So I'm just like, yes, exactly.

Speaker 6 That I'm like, you have no idea who people actually are based off of what they're putting out there, wanting to become a public figure or wanting to become famous without actually having a reason or like a passion or like a skill.

Speaker 3 You know, Chris Hemsworth is like sitting there being like, fuck. Like he's included in all of these videos.

Speaker 2 Everyone's like, oh, his buddies are sending him stuff. He's like, man, I just like, I don't know, the guy picked me up at the airport once or something.

Speaker 3 But it is crazy that it has to go to like this extreme. You know, usually it's like they maybe like steal your clothes or something.
And you're like, what the fuck? Like, okay, fuck this person.

Speaker 3 I'm not talking. But this guy is like running over a police officer.
Like, he's really, he's doing crazy stuff.

Speaker 6 And he got a DUI in March, like a couple weeks prior to all of this. So it's just like he's already been in trouble with the law.

Speaker 6 And then once he got pulled over again, he's claiming that he's been sober for like over a thousand days, but then he ran over a cop while fleeing.

Speaker 3 Was he drunk when he was running over the cop?

Speaker 6 I don't think he got charged with the DUI. He's just not mentally sane.

Speaker 2 Just not all

Speaker 2 there.

Speaker 6 He's ordered to appear in court within 55 days for a competency hearing, and he will remain behind bars until then.

Speaker 2 It's nuts. Yeah.
Yeah. Well, we, like I said, we have a great episode for you.
Aaron Leachy and her husband Abe are joining us shortly.

Speaker 2 And after that, we have the iconic Christina Hendrix is with us promoting her new show, Good American Family. It's out on Hulu.
It's a great, great show. Many of you are watching it.

Speaker 2 It's that crazy story.

Speaker 2 What's her name? Natalia

Speaker 2 Grace.

Speaker 2 Was she a kid? Was she not a kid? Like, what a crazy story. And it still seems like more things about the story are coming out.

Speaker 2 Like, do we even really know what the actually truth, truth of the story is? It doesn't seem like we do.

Speaker 8 I think she was definitely a kid. Okay.

Speaker 2 I think that's

Speaker 2 proven.

Speaker 3 No, I know. We know that for sure.
She was older and they've just been lying to her. I don't know.
There's someone, someone out there knows, but it's not going to be me.

Speaker 2 Anyway, Christina Hendrix is with us to talk about our project and a little reality TV. She happens to be a huge Bravo fan.
Excited to have Christina as well later in the show.

Speaker 2 Also, tomorrow, we have a Going Deeper that's something.

Speaker 2 Allie Luber is with us on Wednesday's Going Deeper to talk about her life, her experiences, her new show, and her relationship with James Kennedy that night that he was arrested.

Speaker 2 Her thoughts on James, her relationship, Lisa Vanderpump. There is a lot there to unpack.
You will not want to miss that episode.

Speaker 2 We really appreciate Allie taking her time to be as vulnerable as she was and finally open up about that experience in great detail. That is tomorrow for Going Deeper.
Be sure to mark your calendars.

Speaker 2 You will not want to miss that episode. I promise you,

Speaker 2 there was some jaw-dropping, like, oh my God, like, I didn't think you were going to say that. And then she did.
And here we are. I do, I have a, speak, is River asleep yet? No.
She's not asleep.

Speaker 2 She's got. My mom says she's trying.
Rivers, she's getting older. She's getting a little more personality, a little tougher to put down.

Speaker 2 But I got to say, I'm really, I'm really enjoying my moments as a dad lately because she's, River's starting to connect, you know, with people outside of her mom.

Speaker 2 Uh, and like one thing, you know, it's funny. I got a, I had an ASNIC caller call in the other day.
It was a, it was a young man. Uh, he was about to be a dad.
He's not that young. He's like 37.

Speaker 2 And usually when people call in for ASNIC, it's just like, you know, they're stuck over some fuckboy or they're arguing with their mom or their friend or whatever.

Speaker 2 And there's some toxicity that we're trying to unpack and figure out. And this, and this guy's question was, it's like, hey, I'm about to be a dad.

Speaker 2 I just like, you have any general like advice for me? I was a little caught off guard because I was like, I don't, man, I don't know, man. Like, what do you?

Speaker 2 And so we, you know, I offered him some advice, but I got done thinking about it after I got done with the call and it made me think of something I didn't share with him.

Speaker 2 And that is like, as a dad, you got to find, you got to find your thing early on to try to connect with, with your child. Like with River, she's, you know, she's so close with.
with Natalie.

Speaker 2 You know, Natalie grew her in her body. You know, she's like, she has been connected

Speaker 2 with Natalie from the beginning. It's beautiful.
I love it. And like, as a dad, I've had had to like wait for that moment.
Right.

Speaker 2 And so like one, like for me, like my thing, what I, what I wanted is, you know, just to find my thing with River, that she connected with me.

Speaker 2 So like, I, that's why, like, in the middle of the night, I'm, I tend to be the one to go up and get her. I put her to bed most nights because I just, I wanted to be that calming presence.

Speaker 2 And like, that's just something we started doing, like, especially like early on, like Nellie and I just kind of alternated.

Speaker 2 But as like Nellie got a little, as River got older and was in her crib, like I used, I tended to be the one to put her down. And my parents were visiting.

Speaker 2 And so it was like, oh, mom, do you want to like maybe put River down? Just just like spend some time with her before you leave. And my mom was like, sure.

Speaker 2 And then River started like crying and crying and crying. And she just was throwing a fit with my mom.
And I went, I finally was like, all right, I'll, you know, I'll go in there. I'll help her out.

Speaker 2 And like River just like.

Speaker 2 just like threw herself at me and just like immediately went to sleep and it was like this like and she kind of and she goes hi dada and it was like the best moment ever and it was just like it really finally now that i'm like connecting with my daughter and then it made me sad i'm lying there with her she's going to sleep and it kind of made me sad because when you have a child for the first time every parent will oh my god this is so great it goes by fast it goes by fast and you're like you know it goes by fast but everyone's like telling you that and when you hear like the same thing over and over you're like yeah no i get it it goes by fast but it really made my made me sad when like river like you know was like hi dad, dad, because it made me think that like that hi dad dad, that the way she said it in that moment, like she'll never say it like that again, you know, because she is changing so fast.

Speaker 2 And like the way she speaks is changing. The way she enunciates is changing.
The way she understands words are changing.

Speaker 2 And it was like, I'm never going to let anyone else put my daughter to bed other than me if I can help it. Like if I, if I'm here, I'm putting her to bed because it's my thing with my daughter.

Speaker 2 And I would say to all the dads out there and the man who called in for that advice is like, find your thing.

Speaker 2 Like find the thing that you can do on a regular basis that like your child connect with you. Like even like changing River's diaper.

Speaker 2 It's just like, I want to find like the thing that she counts on me to take care of her day in and day out because like. It's great for, you know, River has her connection with her mom.

Speaker 2 It's like undeniable. And now that River is getting older, I'm finally having a connection with her in ways that like somewhat compare to Natalie.
And it's a really cool thing.

Speaker 2 But, like, if it weren't for me putting her to bed, like, almost every night, like, I don't know if we would have that connection. So, anyways, just advice to all the dads out there.

Speaker 3 People talk about like their favorite toddler moments, and a lot of it's like, oh, you know, when they like do like the leg hug, you know, when they, when you're standing up and they walk up to you and hug your leg, or if they, you know, grab a book and back up and then sit into your lap, you know, there's like a lot of those, those things.

Speaker 3 I think I realized my favorite, and it's when

Speaker 3 she's crying, she's upset for some reason and someone else is like trying to calm her down. Maybe I'm in another room.
Maybe I'm like, she's throwing a tantrum or whatever it is.

Speaker 3 So I'm trying to ignore it. Well, then she'll like come up to me and I'll pick her up and she just goes, mama.
It's like that's all she needed was just like her mom.

Speaker 3 And like the way she says it is just like, so it's like. All she needed was me.
And it's so soothing. And it's the sweetest sound.

Speaker 2 I know. It's so sweet.
And it does make me sad.

Speaker 2 It really like, it makes me want to stop time because, like, she's just at an age that, like, all these moments will just, you know, when she's three, I'm sure it'll be great.

Speaker 2 I'm sure, like, she'll do things where I get really excited, but like, she's just never gonna like

Speaker 2 the way she acts today, she'll never act like that again. Like, the person she is today is, like, is different.
Like, she's an entirely different person than a month ago. I don't know.

Speaker 3 My mom just got her to sleep, and she's been in there for like an hour and a half trying. So I think there there was, I'm sure, a lot of playing.

Speaker 3 And you can ask Abe what his, they just had a new baby.

Speaker 2 All right. Up next, Aaron and Abe are going to get into White Lotus Summer House and all things bravo.

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Speaker 2 Hello.

Speaker 4 Man and the baby at home.

Speaker 2 Oh.

Speaker 2 So wait, are you different room in the same house or different house?

Speaker 9 No,

Speaker 2 ah, nice. He's calling us from work.
Love that. How are you guys doing? Yeah.

Speaker 4 Back at work the Monday after the baby was born. It was great.

Speaker 9 Yeah. You're like like really hands off these days, huh? Number four, you're hands off.

Speaker 2 You guys want to fight about that on the show? Really excited about it. Yeah, right.
Let's do a scene.

Speaker 3 How old is how old is he now?

Speaker 9 He's two weeks. That's cool.
He's a little Phoebe.

Speaker 2 Congratulations.

Speaker 9 Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 How are you feeling?

Speaker 9 I feel great. I really do.

Speaker 2 I feel really good.

Speaker 9 Thank you. Thank you.

Speaker 9 I actually am going to do a whole, like on our podcast, a whole talk about how different this pregnancy was for me because typically I'm like any other pregnant person I don't know if you were like this but I ate everything in sight and like Abe would deliver me a sleeve of Oreos and milk in my bed every single night and like that was my ritual I this time I was like I'm not going through that again yeah it took me a year to lose the weight And it's so interesting to me because my body is just reacting so differently.

Speaker 3 So it's so funny. I was told by my doctor very early on.
She's like, everyone always says you have to eat for two. And it's like, you don't have to eat for two.

Speaker 3 Like, you just eat your normal, yeah, like you'll be.

Speaker 2 Doctor, you had. I know.
It was just an excuse when you're stuffing your face with the sleeve of Oreoles. You're like, I'm eating for two.
Leave me alone.

Speaker 9 It is the excuse. It's terrible.
Yeah. And you're like, and it takes so long to bounce back.
And it makes you not want to have more kids.

Speaker 2 Abe, did you gain any weight during any of Aaron's pregnancies? Because

Speaker 2 I got real chubby at the

Speaker 2 maybe, it's maybe the fattest I ever was.

Speaker 2 I don't think I ever, I don't think I was ever over 200 pounds, except for the month that

Speaker 4 20 pounds.

Speaker 4 I lost it because I was like, I looked at myself in the mirror. I'm like, fat fuck, what are you disgusting piece of shit?

Speaker 2 Shame. But

Speaker 4 yeah, yeah, exactly. Like the scene from the Game of Thrones.
But I lost it. And I was, thank God, because.
you know, I don't know if you had the same thing, Nick.

Speaker 2 It's like the late night eating, you know, they go to sleep early because obviously they're tired and pregnant and so you're just bored and uh found myself just digging into the fridge sorry aaron well natalie told me that like husbands like sometimes gain sympathy weight as like a way of moral support so i just took that as like a green light to just be a glutton and stuff my face at night and i was like oh i have a high metabolism this won't affect me well wrong

Speaker 2 turns out

Speaker 9 wrong yeah i got yeah that's what happens i think when you get older it's just not as easy to get it off.

Speaker 2 Aaron, can we address the elephant in the room? You got some, you got some

Speaker 2 online, you know, the haters want to hate

Speaker 2 how you're parenting your child. You've been kind of popping off in the comments.
I'm not even that familiar with it. I saw the video.
You seem fine. But the mom shamers are out and about.

Speaker 3 I think anytime you're holding a newborn and you're not holding them with like both hands like wrapped around the head, they're always going to have a problem with it.

Speaker 9 It's like, he was on my elbow.

Speaker 3 No, no. And I, yeah, I see that and I have no judgment towards you and how you hold your baby.

Speaker 3 It's just like, I remember in the beginning when Nick and I were, we would like take videos or take pictures of us holding River and it would be like, oh, that actually maybe, like, we know we're holding that baby safe, but it's like the internet, the internet.

Speaker 2 There are a couple ones where I was like,

Speaker 2 you know what? I can see where this is going to go. Yeah.

Speaker 9 Yeah. I had a feeling after, well, once I saw it, I was like, okay, it does kind of look bad.
But also, I didn't care because, like, this is my fourth kid, and all my other kids are perfectly fine.

Speaker 2 I actually,

Speaker 9 heads are attached. And I actually thought it was really endearing seeing all the people like ride for me and be like, she knows how to hold her babies.
Leave her alone. Stop mom shaming.

Speaker 9 So that was kind of the cherry on top. I was like, you know what? You guys want to come at me for any little thing I do.

Speaker 9 I'm not going to like, you know, run and hide and remove it and be like, oh, I'm sorry, internet.

Speaker 9 like no my kids are okay good for you you you guys uh your baby's uh river you said yeah i forgot her name was one of my names

Speaker 9 was one of aaron's names for your boy i love that name yeah for my third

Speaker 2 yeah a lot of boy rivers out there not as many girls so i guess we have i don't know if that's good for river or not you know because

Speaker 2 She'll be going to school with a lot of boys named River.

Speaker 9 And she's going to have it as if her

Speaker 4 beautiful. I like the irony.

Speaker 3 What did you end up going with for your third if you didn't choose River?

Speaker 9 Oh, we named him after my dad, Elijah.

Speaker 2 Beautiful.

Speaker 3 And you're, and you're two-week old.

Speaker 9 How, what is his name? His name is Jack.

Speaker 9 Jack Hunter Lyche.

Speaker 3 Jack Hunter.

Speaker 13 That's so cute.

Speaker 3 Oh, was it harder? Like, was your first very easy to name and then your fourth very hard or the other way around? Yes. Yeah.

Speaker 9 Yes. They got progressively harder.
Actually, with Layla, we were in the hospital. Yeah.
They were. It was.
Well, Jack, I guess we knew. Jack, we knew.

Speaker 9 we didn't have a name i know we were like they were like giving us the papers saying you're gonna have to mail this in if you don't give us a name like this you need to decide well you could be kylie jenner just kind of switch it up three months in or

Speaker 9 i know

Speaker 9 it's funny actually her name was wolf and elijah's middle name is wolf so we thought that was funny but um or her baby's name was wolf but yeah layla was a tough one layla was a tough one and i think the first was the easiest.

Speaker 9 I actually had a camp camper at a city camp that I worked at when I was like 14. I fell in love with this little camper named Levi.
And he had long hair and blue eyes.

Speaker 9 And I remember I was like, Abe, if we have a boy, this is the name. Like I'm in love with him.

Speaker 9 And one of my girlfriends that worked at the camp with me like wrote to me immediately when she saw the name. And she's like, are you kidding me? Like, that's the camper.

Speaker 9 I knew you were going to do that. You were going to take that name before I even had a boy.
So it was funny.

Speaker 2 All right. What did you guys think of the White Lotus finale?

Speaker 2 I was a little underwhelmed, if I'm being honest. Oh, I loved it.
You loved it. There were parts of it.
Thank you. I loved it.
But

Speaker 4 I don't know, like the whole resolution with the family, it just felt there was stuff to be desired. So I did appreciate the irony with, what's her name? The woman who got the money from the guy.

Speaker 2 Belinda. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 4 It was like a good irony because it ended with her telling Pornchai, that's the guy's name, you know, oh, sorry, we can't start the business.

Speaker 4 And that was literally the same exact thing that had happened to her last season. So I thought that was kind of amazing.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I do like how they kind of, they made her, made her character seem a bit hypocritical, you know, like just

Speaker 2 like what money can do, you know, or as soon as you have it, how your perspective, your perspective immediately changes. You go from, you know, having all these like.

Speaker 2 wishing you had money or, you know, a lot of people who don't have money always talk about what they would do once they have money or how generous they would be with their money, you know, when they expect

Speaker 3 the famous question, like, what would you do if you won the lottery?

Speaker 2 It's like, I would give half of it to charity. Yeah, immediately.

Speaker 2 I would set up my family and blah, blah, blah. I would give this and you have it.
And you're like, well, you know, listen, the taxes are just really,

Speaker 2 you know, a lot. And, you know, it's just like immediately you start realizing how much money you don't have or where it's going and everyone's asking you for money.

Speaker 2 That was a, I did like that, that darkness there. I think I had to marinate on the finale.

Speaker 2 You know, at first, I was really pissed off when they he almost killed the kid i was like we don't me too we don't need to kill the me too really the kid the kid like the only kind of innocent soul i mean he did jerk off his brother so i guess he's not that innocent but like you know honestly like he's conflict he's a teenager he's like yeah you know but like thank god the kid survived and that was also such a beautiful scene the way that he came to and i thought the whole relationship between chelsea and what's his name in the on the show rick rick right I love him.

Speaker 2 Well, before the episode started, I said to Natalie, I go, I just don't want Rick and Chelsea to die. That's the only

Speaker 2 thing I care about.

Speaker 2 And I thought

Speaker 2 I was thinking about it, though. It was very poetic.

Speaker 3 Did you think they were in love?

Speaker 9 I think so, but he was so troubled by his past. He had such childhood trauma that he just couldn't let it go.
And seeing how she just continued to follow him and like, she was just so love struck.

Speaker 9 And when he saw her there, just like the whole, the way that it all ended was, and then the Darth Vader of it all. I am your father.
I got that. That was, that was the funny part.

Speaker 9 You know, no, that was random.

Speaker 2 No, he really, they really did. Mike White really did pull from Star Wars, the like, you go to go kill your father and then find out it's your father.

Speaker 2 But instead of like not killing your father, he found out after like, he did not have the power of the force. He couldn't bring himself back.
I don't, you know, you know, it's interesting.

Speaker 4 I will say, what my favorite part of the ending was the very end of Jason Isaacs, who is probably my favorite character.

Speaker 9 Just he was the way

Speaker 4 he conveyed like the stress of a man dealing with the fallout of that and trying to protect his family.

Speaker 4 Like, you really felt it, but there was something really beautiful about that last scene where the camera zooms to the water droplets. And I think a few episodes ago, the monk was talking about life.

Speaker 4 It's like, you know, the ocean, and then drop spray of water, and then it drops back in, and you join the ocean.

Speaker 4 And there's just kind of this resolution of peace that you could tell he had within himself, given that he was going back to all the chaos. I thought that was really cool.

Speaker 2 I liked it at the end where he finally said, like, things are going to be different. Cause his character or that family pissed me off throughout the whole season.

Speaker 2 This kind of entitled, like, no resiliency, like no backbone. It was like just the dad and whatever work he did to like, you know, accumulate whatever, you know, wealth that this family has.

Speaker 2 I don't know if, you know, I don't know the family's history.

Speaker 2 Obviously, they're fictional characters, but there was this no resiliency, like this idea that he was willing to like kill his family because he didn't think they could like endear no air conditioning or like having to get a job or anything like that to finally be like, you know what, things are going to be different.

Speaker 2 We're just going to have to figure it the fuck out. Like, I was like,

Speaker 2 I needed that line from his character because it just like, it just annoyed me to no end, the weakness of that like entire family Sam Rockwell like coming out of the hotel room doing the somersault

Speaker 4 so improv but it was so good so good I loved his cameo says that I mean I know everybody's been talking about it but that monologue Sam Rockwell's monologue from a few episodes ago I thought was so fucking awesome and so dark and it just kept going and going.

Speaker 2 He's one of my favorite actors. He's been great.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 He's fantastic. I mean, the more I thought, you know, it's just like someone has to die.

Speaker 2 And like, the more I was upset that it was like Rick and Chelsea dying, then the more it's just like, you know what, I guess, whatever. You know, I'm kind of fine with it.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 There was a certain piece, you know, he, I mean, he killed the father,

Speaker 4 found out it was a father. And like, there was a finality to it that they ended up together forever.

Speaker 3 So yeah, it was like he lost, he killed his dad, and then he like got his.

Speaker 4 girlfriend shot and then it's like he's gonna go to prison it's like could like he's like carrying her out and so like him also dying with her it was kind of like a a nice little bookend you know can we talk about guy talking for a second oh the guard yeah that was like very similar with the um with the woman who got the money where it's like a situation will just change your perspective he was like i'm not meant to be a guard and i'm not into violence and then when it came down to it he wanted to i think just impress mook and so he killed rick and how do you remember all these names he is such a like when he watches he's watching.

Speaker 2 Abe, like, yeah, he catches on to everything. Are you a phone down guy, Abe? Do you put the phone down when you're watching prestige? Yeah,

Speaker 4 I'm not a phone down.

Speaker 9 He yells at me if I'm on my phone.

Speaker 4 I hate it. I don't watch that much TV.
So when I do, I'm like, I'm dialed in.

Speaker 2 He did shoot him in the back, though. It's kind of dirty.
You're not supposed to shoot someone in the back. He was unarmed.
He was carrying a dying woman.

Speaker 9 Yeah, that's actually true.

Speaker 2 Exactly. And then shot him in the back.

Speaker 9 Yeah, he turned out to be like a real POS.

Speaker 3 He had Sri Lakta.

Speaker 2 Yelling at him. Yeah.
Yelling at him. There's a lot going on.
The pressure.

Speaker 9 The pressure.

Speaker 9 Yeah. He buckled under pressure.

Speaker 2 All right. How does this rank for you guys in terms of season one, two, or three? Where do you, where do you fit in season three in terms of best white lotus season of all time?

Speaker 9 The bottom. I think they're so different.
Really? The bottom?

Speaker 9 I don't think it's the bottom.

Speaker 4 I like the other two seasons better.

Speaker 9 I don't know. They were funnier.
They were lighter, I think.

Speaker 2 Don't you?

Speaker 9 I mean, this was dark.

Speaker 2 I really, I don't know. I think season three is up there for me.

Speaker 9 Me too. I loved it.

Speaker 3 I don't even remember what happened in one.

Speaker 9 One was just hilarious. I remember.
That was like when they first came.

Speaker 9 There was that younger family, right?

Speaker 2 And that was. Sidney Sweeney and Connie Britton.
Yeah.

Speaker 9 And then remember the crazy manager that was like in the room with one of the

Speaker 9 doing blow with one of the one who died.

Speaker 4 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 9 It was funnier and lighter.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 4 It was also new, like the whole format of the show and everything. So it was just one of those shock value things.

Speaker 9 And then I thought last season was awesome. I think one is up for me, then three, and then two, even though I really like two.
But I think three is before two for me.

Speaker 3 Well, how are you feeling about Summerhouse?

Speaker 9 I have lots of thoughts. Abe has not watched, so I'll have to give my own.

Speaker 4 This is all, Aaron.

Speaker 9 I just think it's very, I mean, I'm assuming we're talking about the breakup.

Speaker 2 Well, it's tied into that.

Speaker 9 So that's what everyone's talking about. Yeah.
I think it's kind of like the whole thing is kind of misogynistic. Like,

Speaker 9 why are we even talking about the fact that she works? Like, to me, that the idea that we're, and I'm not saying that Craig is like a misogynist or anything. I think he's lovely and very nice.

Speaker 9 I've met him. He's actually very, very sweet.
But like the concept of constantly talking about her working, I find strange.

Speaker 9 And I don't know if it's because like I'm a New Yorker and like that was never a conversation between me and my boyfriend at the time. And now, husband, I just worked, right?

Speaker 9 Like, it wasn't, you're going to have kids, and then you're going to, you know, like, are you going to slow down? And that just, I mean, I'm working now, right? Like, I'm always working.

Speaker 9 It's just, and I have four kids, and that never career and family life was never, you know, a decision that I had to make. It was always known that I was going to continue working.

Speaker 9 I was always a career person. So I just find the conversation strange.
Like, why is it always talked about?

Speaker 4 Was it, because I mean, I haven't seen it, but was it in the context of like just in general that she's working?

Speaker 2 Or

Speaker 2 is more with like just kind of figuring out their cadence of like, you know, where Craig felt prioritized. I think more of it was like, you know, are they going to settle down?

Speaker 2 Where are they going to settle down? He was settling down in South, you know, North South Carolina. She was in New York.
Her career was like really taking off and she was going on tour.

Speaker 2 And, you know on tour he was just like I guess a little nervous about just like you know where he kind of fit in priority wise it was less about like whether she was working period and just like I felt you know like how Craig felt prioritized in relationship relative to like her career because I think they had like they saw each other every two weeks or like they had a schedule of how they saw each other and so he was like well you going on tour like that's obviously gonna mess that up so where do I fit in and I think she took that as I just think when that starts to become a conversation, at least this is how I would feel, right?

Speaker 9 I would just be kind of like turned off because it's like, you fucking like figure it out.

Speaker 9 Like come visit me or like, don't keep asking me how I'm going to fit in because then it, it almost like, and I'm, I really don't want to be, I'm not hating on Craig. I think he's so cute.

Speaker 9 He's very handsome. Like he'll find somebody.
I'm sure he's adorable. But I just feel like it kind of makes you feel like icky almost.

Speaker 9 Like, why are you keep asking me? Why aren't you confident enough? Like, you just want a man to be like, all right, cool. Like, you go do your thing.

Speaker 9 And I, I would rather be the one that's kind of like, okay, so are you coming here? Like, when are you showing up?

Speaker 9 I'd love to see, you know, not constantly the other way around of feeling like you're doing something wrong by being busy. I mean, I, as somebody who works, like, that would bother me.

Speaker 4 Now, I'm going to respectfully disagree with you, Aaron.

Speaker 9 But you don't even know what's happening.

Speaker 2 No, but

Speaker 4 I understand like the theme. Like, it's a common dynamic, I think, between men and women from what it sounds like.

Speaker 4 It seems to me like more so that he probably is feeling neglected and is maybe insecure from that, which I can understand.

Speaker 4 But I don't think that's misogynistic. I think that's just the typical dynamic.

Speaker 9 Yeah. The idea of constantly asking about

Speaker 9 a woman's career as though like there should be a lot of people.

Speaker 2 How much of that is editing with the cadence of how much sure i don't know i also think but i'm kind of with i'm kind of with abe here i think obviously i also think a lot depends boys versus girls

Speaker 2 i mean listen in bravo world i i you know i think a probably you know feel you know the man's point of view isn't often like the focus or highlighted or even considered you know it's always just like shut up and just like be there but i also just like i i see what you're saying

Speaker 2 yeah i totally see what you're saying you know in terms of like you know, you're right.

Speaker 2 If a guy is very like needy and very just like kind of, you know, the one who is just like, why aren't, why aren't, like, aren't you going to worry about me?

Speaker 2 You know, like, that can be kind of an ick too. But I think a lot comes down to like, what is the relationship dynamic period?

Speaker 2 You know, like Paige presents is this very boss, like confident, like she always tells you exactly what she's thinking and feeling. She like takes no prisoners.
She's got a sharp tongue.

Speaker 2 Like if that's your partner in a relationship, it's really hard. Like, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 There's usually only one very dominant person in a relationship, you know, or there's two people or it's even playing field. Very rarely is it like two dominant personalities.

Speaker 2 So I think Craig just kind of took a back seat to Paige's more dominant personality. And I think even Craig saying like, hey, I've never, I didn't expect to be like.

Speaker 2 the submissive person in a relationship is him kind of almost realizing like, yeah, I didn't expect this either.

Speaker 2 Like, I don't even like this part about me, but it's just like she plays that role so well. She's confident in that role.
And he's kind of stuck playing this like, hey, are you going to call me?

Speaker 2 You know, because he knows that Paige is just never going to, Paige never does that. Like Paige doesn't give Craig an opportunity to be, you know, like the man in the relationship.

Speaker 2 And not that she should do anything differently. It's just like sometimes I think.
I think men sometimes feel like they play one or two roles.

Speaker 2 Either like, either they're the asshole or they're this kind of the bitch. You know, it's this like, you know, either like, I need you to like be and stand up and I need you to take charge.

Speaker 2 But when he does, you know, then if he does, it's like, why are you being such a fucking asshole sometimes?

Speaker 2 And then it went, you know, and then, and then when you want him to take a bad seat, it's just like, man, stand up and be a fucking man or something. It's just like, Jesus fucking Christ.

Speaker 2 Like, which one do you want me to, you know,

Speaker 2 Abe's not. He knows what I'm talking about.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 I think it happens a lot, though.

Speaker 2 So I, ultimately, with the, with Paige and Craig, I mean, they just, i think it's they just weren't compatible like i think i honestly thought craig at their southern charm reunion finally said something that you know really showed real growth which is him just acknowledging that like i think he loved the idea of their relationship especially towards the end he has the benefit of watching some of these like clips back and some of these things that we all get to see And he's forced to like acknowledge that like, you know what, maybe we weren't as in love as I thought we were.

Speaker 2 Maybe I wasn't even as in love as I thought I was. And maybe, yeah, like maybe we're just not supposed to be together.
And you see him kind of slowly accepting that.

Speaker 2 What was jarring for me watching the Southern Charm reunion is the flashback of like Craig when he like first got on this show.

Speaker 2 And like Craig, when he first got casted on Southern Charm, looks like any guy who like played the,

Speaker 2 like, if you ever watched Law and Order and it was always about like a rich family and then some rich like bad kid who was like in charge of like a fraternity.

Speaker 2 He killed someone and embezzled money, but he played like the goody two-shoe. Craig, that's what Craig looks like season one of Southern Charm.
He looks like you do not trust him.

Speaker 4 He could have been a white lotus, like

Speaker 2 yes.

Speaker 2 No, he looks like a white lotus character.

Speaker 9 He really changed. He looks great.

Speaker 2 No, he that he is aged very gracefully.

Speaker 3 Very well.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 9 Like a fine wine. Yeah.

Speaker 4 All right. Calm down.

Speaker 2 Chef loves so much.

Speaker 2 Young Chef looks like a very tall, handsome Michael Sarah.

Speaker 4 Interesting.

Speaker 9 Interesting.

Speaker 9 Chef is cute.

Speaker 2 He's fine.

Speaker 2 I think they're all great. He's cuter.

Speaker 9 I like those boys.

Speaker 2 I think Craig has aged better and Shep has aged worse.

Speaker 3 Probably. What did you think of Craig and Austin's kind of Austin being like, hey, this is what I needed from you.
This is how I felt you were treating me that you were like up on this higher.

Speaker 9 level than me and you look down on me and Craig's like well if you think that way of me then we shouldn't be friends instead of being I tend i tend to agree with austin okay like austin's rationale i tend to agree with i think just like i think if if i were like really good friends with someone on that show he'd probably be one of them you know he just seems like kind of a rational normal ish guy craig it seems like he was just like trying to defend himself a little bit you know i don't think he actually didn't want to be friends with him it was just his defense mechanism right but you know a little bit immature i do i kind of get craig's point of view a little bit i I mean, he's certainly rough around the edges and he might be like when all your friends are calling are nicely saying you're an exaggerator or an embellisher or an exaggerator, it's just like you're, you maybe, maybe you're a liar.

Speaker 9 Well, I've been around an exaggerator and embellisher, if you guys watched our show, and

Speaker 9 there's a fine line. It can get really tricky when you're around somebody who's saying things that, and I don't know that Craig is or isn't.

Speaker 9 I'm just saying that when you're not accurate, especially on TV, it's really tricky because it can be like, you could say something.

Speaker 9 That's what I'm saying. Like, well, that's that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 9 I mean, it's like, I mean, because sometimes you tell a story and you want to like make it a little, like ramp it up a little and make it a little funnier.

Speaker 9 I mean, I sometimes do that when I'm telling a story. It's like, and then it took hours instead of maybe, I don't know,

Speaker 2 an hour. Yeah.

Speaker 9 You know?

Speaker 2 Yeah, but like when you get called out for that, you're like, you know, like, really hours? You're like, well, no, I mean, it just felt like a couple hours.

Speaker 2 Where Craig seems the type of guy who's like, no, yeah, it was like five and a half i have it marked down it was like five hours and 27 minutes you know and it's just like that's not embellishing that's lying that's adding content well that's why yeah yeah it's tricky so brand and especially on tv

Speaker 9 oh my god bryn is like the master embellisher of all time and she's really good at it and by the way i am convinced by her time and time again. And it's tricky.

Speaker 9 It's very hard to like navigate, especially on a show.

Speaker 2 Right, I understand Craig's point of view, though.

Speaker 2 It's just like when you're in this stage of life you're kind of middle-aged right you know late 20s early 30s 40s for some people and how old you middle age was that aaron yeah depends

Speaker 2 i guess it depends on who you are what well 40s i mean not really

Speaker 4 and she's like you're not having a midlife crisis that's when you're 50.

Speaker 9 i'm like no midlife crisis it's like you could have on your 40s yeah that's not when you die you know maybe he knows you're 40 but you're 41 that's like not midlife is it Early midlife.

Speaker 2 Well, what's the average lifespan? I don't know. We're going to live

Speaker 4 immortal because we're going to be morphed into robots anyway. So, for us, here we go.

Speaker 9 Let's not start this. Let's not open this door.
Let's not open this door. Abe can of worms with the robot talk.

Speaker 9 When Abe and I first met, his like pickup line was how we're going to all turn into robots. I have no idea why I continue to see him after that.

Speaker 2 It worked on you?

Speaker 9 I guess

Speaker 9 I was like, oh, weirdo. This is good.
Big difference than what I've been around.

Speaker 2 Average lifespan.

Speaker 6 It says average lifespan is around 72 years worldwide with women living longer than men.

Speaker 2 What about Americans?

Speaker 9 Probably less. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Well, then we're past middle age if it's 72, Aaron.

Speaker 6 77.43 years.

Speaker 2 So technically 40 is past middle age.

Speaker 9 That's insane. What about New Yorkers?

Speaker 2 There should be.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 9 There should be a.

Speaker 2 Anyway, what I was saying is it's like, you know, when you're the person who like is getting their shit together, you know and you get your shit together faster than some of your other friends no one likes that you know what i'm saying they're very resistant to you making yourself better and then your friends will always say shit things things like you think you're better than us and honestly the truth is when you're the one who's like drinking less or just eating right or just kind of like getting your shit together you do feel a little bit better than the people who aren't you know what i'm saying because you're actually making meaningful changes you're you're putting in the work and maybe you're going to therapy maybe you're waking up early maybe you're saying no to whatever it is that you usually say yes to that makes you feel worse, not better, right?

Speaker 2 You know, and so like you're proud of yourself. Like it takes a lot of work to do this shit.
So like by nature, you kind of tend to feel a little bit more superior to your peers.

Speaker 2 And your friends actually feel that because they actually are. envious of the improvements you're making in their life that they're not ready to make.

Speaker 2 And so like, there's always like this weird thing where people are just like, well, you think you're better than us.

Speaker 2 And, you know, and you want to be like, like well yeah yes i am i'm actually right now being better than you are so like you know and i feel like craig's in this period right now where he sees austin and shep and craig you know despite his embellishing or whatever is cleaning his shit up and like he's you know yeah focusing on his career and his and shep is still has like his baseball caps from college decorating his living room and and austin is still like focused on going out and partying and it's just like I'm just not at this level anymore and when it comes to that I'm I'm very team Craig and I'm very like I don't think Craig needs to like apologize or bring himself to the his friends level to like because they're not ready to grow up yeah I agree with that I do what's interesting is you know when you get older and that that starts to happen with certain friends and then you know it's a shitty thing to think about but sometimes you need to change the people you actually spend time with that they're keeping you back Yeah.

Speaker 4 Because otherwise you are dulling yourself unnecessarily. And it's like, you know, surround yourself with people who are making those same healthy choices in life and all the other things.

Speaker 4 So it's a tough, it's a weird thing when it starts happening.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And sometimes you actually have to like, yeah, have little like friend breakups.

Speaker 2 I've done that with friends where you're just like, you grow apart and sometimes you grow back together when they like figure their shit out.

Speaker 2 But you're just like, until then, you're just like, I don't know, I'm not that person anymore.

Speaker 4 And it's not even, it doesn't even mean that you don't have to be friends with these, with those people.

Speaker 4 Just the time, like, you know, your time is more valuable when you're older because it's more limited. So just who you choose to actually spend time with, you can still be friends with whoever.

Speaker 4 But it's the time spending, I think, that becomes the terminate factor.

Speaker 3 It was wild to see half of the group say they're terrified of Craig.

Speaker 9 Yeah, that was weird. Wow.
I think he's terrifying. Right?

Speaker 2 I don't.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Austin says he's terrified of Craig sometimes, and the group agrees.

Speaker 9 That was weird. That was stupid.

Speaker 2 I've had people say they're scared of me. So that, like, I think that's just stupid.

Speaker 9 That was really silly.

Speaker 6 From past seasons, though,

Speaker 6 he does have some sort of anger management issues in the way that he like flips on people.

Speaker 6 I could see how he could be somebody that you don't want to upset because you don't know what's going to happen next.

Speaker 3 But have we seen him blow up like that recently? Like, is that what we have?

Speaker 4 What's his son?

Speaker 9 They need to go on a housewife. Let's see if

Speaker 9 they think that's blowing up.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 6 Granted, he did have a problem with Adderall as well. So like that was like a couple of the big blowouts that he's had in the past.

Speaker 2 I didn't get the impression that that's what they were referring to when they said they were scared of him.

Speaker 2 Like I didn't get the impression, and you've watched the show longer than I have, Sierra, but I didn't get the impression it was like some sort of like, they're afraid of his like physical outburst and that his like reaction.

Speaker 3 Andy didn't bring up his temper and was like, you do have a bet. And he was like, that's something I'm trying to work on.

Speaker 2 Oh, I took it more of like his ability to manipulate or deceit or lie or to like, you know, get revenge on people, his enemies or whatever, where it was more like he's more calculated.

Speaker 2 I took it that way.

Speaker 6 He doesn't really do revenge as much as he cuts people off.

Speaker 8 He's also an Aquarius.

Speaker 4 I'm going to say Taurus, but uh do you know a lot about

Speaker 2 cutting people off?

Speaker 6 I said he's he's not one really for revenge as he is like he'll cut people off and like make it very much like, you are not my friend. I do not speak with you.

Speaker 6 And maybe that's something to where people are like, well, you don't really give us an opportunity to work through a problem. It's just kind of either you're on my side or you're not.

Speaker 6 So I felt like that was kind of more what they were talking about. Like there's no way of confronting him when he's in the wrong.
He'll just cut them off.

Speaker 2 See, but if that's the case, I'm more team Craig because that's basically saying I don't like that you're really good at enforcing your boundaries.

Speaker 2 Like whether we agree or disagree with Craig's boundaries, he is very good at just being like, this is how I think and feel. And I'm going to stand by it.

Speaker 2 And I'm going to like, I'm going to own, own it. And like, you don't have to like it.
I'm not asking for your permission. This is just how I'm going to operate.

Speaker 2 A lot of people don't have that follow-through. They don't have that like resolve to like have people be upset with them, right?

Speaker 2 Because like the opposite of like enforcing a boundary is being the people pleaser, right? Like, and I think Austin and Shep are like notorious people pleasers.

Speaker 2 They're like the guys who like everyone wants to have fun around. Let's have a good time.

Speaker 2 And I think they're, they're very uncomfortable with people like Craig who are just like, you know, if I don't like it, if it's not going to be this way, I'm out.

Speaker 2 But that's not like something to be scared of. That's just my, that's just because you're uncomfortable, their ability to like say no to you.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I think they were saying that they're terrified of his temper.

Speaker 3 Yeah, because Andy did point that out. Switching to Summerhouse, do you feel like Lexi has a right to be mad at Jesse for the tow suck, the 37-minute tow suck that he joined in?

Speaker 2 He joined in on a threesome.

Speaker 4 Can you give quick backstory?

Speaker 2 Well, there is so, you know, House. There's a lot of partying going on, and Jesse Salomon, the house.
Well, there's two household fuckboys, Jesse and West.

Speaker 2 Last year, one of the fuckboys attempted at having a girlfriend and went as well as you thought it might. This season, the other fuckboy is attempting to be a boyfriend.

Speaker 2 And he walked into a room where their other housemate was having a threesome with two ladies. He seemed to be under the influence when he walked into said room.

Speaker 2 And what we've learned from this moment is that apparently someone, I believe it was a lady, sucked Jesse's toe and only sucked his toe for

Speaker 2 he was in there for 37 minutes. So maybe he was just watching.
I don't know, maybe there's, maybe they took a timeout from said threesome and just like started

Speaker 2 chatting about like the night. That's a long fucking very likely.

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 9 I'm going to defend Jesse, which I think is probably surprising. But I feel like what happened to him, and I think he's like such a sweet guy, just based on the show.

Speaker 9 But I think what happened to him was he got excited. He liked her.
He kind of like fell into it.

Speaker 9 But like the guy just cleared himself from having testicular cancer the summer before, you know, like he wants to be free and happy and have fun.

Speaker 9 Like, I almost feel like he just kind of got, he got kind of stuck.

Speaker 9 Not that she got him stuck, but it just kind of happened that he got in this relationship but he almost like didn't he was conflicted and maybe he didn't really want to be in a relationship because he wanted to have fun i mean that that that runs a toll on you being so worried about having cancer and it coming back and now he's at the five-year mark and like i don't know i kind of feel for him i know he was

Speaker 2 wrong

Speaker 2 i think i think if you beat cancer for the next year you you know short of you killing someone or doing something illegal you're allowed to do whatever you want you kind of get to do whatever you want man.

Speaker 2 And just be like, I don't know, man. I thought I was dying a year and a half ago.
Fuck it. It's like, yeah, I guess, you know, honestly.

Speaker 9 Live your life, get your toes up.

Speaker 9 You know, and he was almost trying to please her because she was like, I, you know, I'm very jealous and I want to be exclusive. And da-da-da.

Speaker 9 And it seemed like he liked her so much, he didn't want to say no, but you could see he didn't really want to do that, which I wouldn't want to do that either.

Speaker 3 I think even when he introduced her to his parents and in his like ITM, he was like, yeah, I didn't really want to do do that, but I knew she, it meant a lot to her or something.

Speaker 3 And it was like, okay, you're doing a lot that you don't want to do.

Speaker 9 Yeah. And so it was like, I mean, it's not right, but it's like you kind of get it.

Speaker 3 Lexi is on her TikTok bad bitch lip-syncing to like, fuck that man songs. Oh, is she?

Speaker 2 She's cool. So they're not together.

Speaker 3 It does not appear so. There's a lot of getting ready makeup transitions to like, you thought I was your girl?

Speaker 2 Well, fuck you. Well, one one of my favorite things online right now, especially in the reality TV space, is the attempt at the Arianomatics treatment.

Speaker 9 What is that?

Speaker 2 Well, I mean, you know, post-scandal.

Speaker 9 Like you're saying Jesse's going to get, like, get that.

Speaker 4 Oh, like to reap the benefits.

Speaker 2 There's a lot to be gained

Speaker 2 career-wise if you are seen as the

Speaker 9 scorned woman in the reality TV space.

Speaker 2 Rachel Kirkana is currently benefiting from the same movement, right? And it's

Speaker 2 she's from Bachelor Nation.

Speaker 2 She recently broke up with former bachelor Matt James. And I don't know, he broke up with her in a way that maybe lacked a little tact, certainly deserved some criticism.
Ultimately, they broke up.

Speaker 2 Whatever.

Speaker 3 I think eventually she will come out with a lot of stories of how he treated her in that relationship.

Speaker 3 But in her initial, like, we broke up interview, it was very much just like, yeah, you know, he was kind of like mean to me sometimes, but like he just broke up with me.

Speaker 3 And then I got on an airplane and then landed to like him posting it to social media.

Speaker 2 And like he announced it without her knowing while she was on a plane before like she, you know, so that was the big crime. And right.

Speaker 2 You know, and definitely he deserves an apology, but not the worst thing in the world. No, but

Speaker 2 you know, whenever the internet grabs a hold of something, you know, sometimes they just, they get triggered by something.

Speaker 2 And it's just always, I'm right now, you see, like, especially in reality TV, where there's like this upcoming breakup and someone, you know, you think someone's going to look a certain way.

Speaker 2 And Lexi is right now on the trying to.

Speaker 9 Oh, interesting.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Well, Sierra had it a little bit from West last season, right? You know, Bravo World rarely rallied behind Sierra when, you know,

Speaker 2 with her and Wes breaking up. So I think she's hoping for the same treatment.
I think, unfortunately for Lexi, she didn't like account for beating cancer.

Speaker 2 And it was just like, you know, you, you don't, you're not going to get the Ariana. You know, if Tom Sandoval had just beaten cancer, we.

Speaker 9 I also think it feels different, Sierra and Luxi, the situation. Why? Like, Sierra clearly really liked West, and he just, I don't, I mean, I don't think he did anything really wrong.

Speaker 2 I don't know. I don't want to.
I don't think so either. Honestly, I think she just has

Speaker 2 feelings.

Speaker 9 Yeah. I mean, maybe he could have been a little like more gentle in the press after,

Speaker 9 but it seems like she just really liked him and it just didn't work out. But in this case, this just feels like

Speaker 9 a really fast relationship that came kind of out of nowhere and doesn't really even make any sense to me. And like all of a sudden, week two, they were like getting married.

Speaker 9 Like none of it makes sense. Sierra and West felt like a real relationship.
Do you know what I mean? This one didn't.

Speaker 3 I do think it was interesting.

Speaker 3 You know, he went out of his way to like call her and let her know that everyone in the house thinks that he was flirting with Sierra, but he just wants wants to like let her know if she hears that it's not true that they're brother and sister.

Speaker 3 But he did leave out that he got his toe sucked. And to Lexi's point, she was like, if you didn't think it was a big deal or if you didn't think it was weird, you would have told me.

Speaker 2 Which is an excellent thing. He would have told me.
Yeah.

Speaker 9 That isn't true. That is a good point.

Speaker 4 But on the flip side, he could have just felt weird about it and not and not said because of that. But like the whole, I don't know.

Speaker 2 Well, let me ask you this, Aaron. As someone who is a Bravo celebrity herself, there was a line where Jay, like Jesse's talking to the producers, right? And the Bravo gives a little BTS.

Speaker 2 Like, sometimes they show that conversation. And Jesse is basically saying, like, this is, it's toe-sucking.
It's not, it's not sexual. It wasn't a big deal.
I was fucking around, whatever.

Speaker 2 Like, I think as a guy, you do know that, like, sometimes you realize you're like, I'm being a fuck. This is not.
sexual, right?

Speaker 2 Whether, whether the optics look good or not, like, I get what Jesse was saying in that moment, but he said, he said, I don't want this to be a thing.

Speaker 2 And I, as a, as a human being, I thought I laughed because I was just like, what a hilarious line for like any guy to say, you know, like, I cheated on my wife, but I don't want this to be a thing, you know, like the way he said it.

Speaker 2 But I want to know from your point of view, Aaron, to me, that actually sounded like

Speaker 2 a bravo,

Speaker 2 like a show line where you're like the Jesse, the talent, was talking to the producer saying, guys, I'm not into this storyline. You're forcing this storyline.
It's not a thing.

Speaker 2 I don't want this to be a thing. And I felt like they used that against him in that moment.
That's to me.

Speaker 9 They can't say those words. No, I know.
The minute you say those words, they they're like, it's a thing now, you know? But I agree with you. That sounds like something that he's saying about the show.

Speaker 9 Like, I feel like I've said that before. And the minute I said that, I was like, fuck, this is going to be a thing.

Speaker 2 No, I know. Because

Speaker 2 the way they air it, I was like, well, sorry, Jesse, you don't get to decide what is it isn't or isn't a thing when it relates to your actions but like i can totally understand like in that moment where you know he's just like guys i'm i'm down to like play along i'm telling i'm down to give you storylines but i'm not down for the you guys to make this a thing this is stupid and i was curious what you thought yeah i agree with you that sounds exactly like something we would all say you know season one do you watch any other real housewives franchises um i dabble.

Speaker 9 I watch, I love Miami. It's actually like my favorite, which is so random.
Beverly Hills, I kind of fell off this season. Yeah, it's a little boring.

Speaker 2 Uh, well, one of the well, Garcelle just left Beverly Hills.

Speaker 9 I saw that and I love her so much. There was a

Speaker 2 producer who was talking about Garcelle's exit and

Speaker 2 mentioned how proud he was of her. And you see comments like this online all the time for various

Speaker 2 actors or reality TV stars.

Speaker 2 But he, this particular producer talked about how he really judges, obviously, someone's character or who they are as a person by how the crew enjoyed working with various talent.

Speaker 2 And he talked about how when they were shooting with Garcel, the crew was always ecstatic and that she was always this really wonderful and gracious, and how that was different from some of the other castmates on Beverly Hills.

Speaker 2 From your point of view, are there some people from the Roney franchise who are more pleasant to production than others?

Speaker 9 Yeah, of course. You can't name it.

Speaker 2 I mean, give me the good ones.

Speaker 9 I'm one of the good ones. Okay.
Sai is one of the good ones. Uva's good, but she tends to be like on her own timeline,

Speaker 9 which is challenging.

Speaker 2 Okay. So slightly inconsiderate with her timing.

Speaker 9 Yeah. Jessil also, I think, is kind of like on her own timeline.
But I think they generally, I think they like all, I mean, I think Jenna's pretty easy to work with. Raquel, I know they loved.

Speaker 9 I know they loved Bryn, but I heard that it was challenging sometimes.

Speaker 2 I don't know.

Speaker 9 I think you can kind of watch the show and

Speaker 9 make decisions that way on who was easy and who was not.

Speaker 9 But I will say about Beverly Hills, I like hung out with Garcel many times and she's really, that's so true because she is such an awesome person and like just fun to be around and easy to talk to.

Speaker 9 And I can only imagine that that was a big loss for them because she's awesome. And I think she adds a lot to the show.
So it's a bummer.

Speaker 2 It did feel like, I don't know why I felt this because, you know, she's been my girl this season, but it felt like this producer wanted to say that Dorit was like mean.

Speaker 2 It just, I don't know, I'm basing this off nothing, but it,

Speaker 2 I don't know, I don't, when he was saying how Gurcell was so kind to, to the crew, it just felt like he wanted to like throw Dorit under the bus. But I could be wrong.
Really?

Speaker 2 I could be totally wrong. That's maybe me projecting.
I don't know.

Speaker 9 I'm not going to say anything about Dorit because we had like a weird thing at Bravocon and now we're like, we DM. And I would love to support like another Israeli on Bravo.
That's like very uncommon.

Speaker 9 Have you guys got in a fight at BravoCon? We didn't get into a fight. We didn't get into a fight.
We, she and I had been on like these Zooms. We were part of this like subgroup on Bravo.

Speaker 9 We had been on some of these Zooms and we were talking and we knew each other. And we were backstage about to go on for like photo ops at Bravocon with fans.
And she was there with Kyle.

Speaker 9 And I was like excited to see her because we had known each other on Zoom. I'm just like a friendly person.
Like I'm a hugger. I love chatting with people.
I'm social.

Speaker 9 So I was like, hi, like, how are you? Blah, blah, blah. And it was so, I was met with so much, such a cold, like,

Speaker 9 I don't know, demeanor that I was. taken aback.
That being said, she's said since then that she was worried about going on stage. It was like right after the robbery.
So water under the bridge.

Speaker 9 She's been very sweet since.

Speaker 9 I just haven't hung out. Like I've hung out with a lot of the Beverly Hills ladies, like tons of them.
We've gone to dinner. We were friends.
And they're all so awesome.

Speaker 9 I've just never hung out with Darit. So I don't really know.

Speaker 3 You're also very close with Lindsay Hubbard. Do you think she would join Roni?

Speaker 2 Oh, I don't know.

Speaker 9 I just don't know.

Speaker 9 I love Lindsay. I'm so happy for her.
She's, her life is like totally different.

Speaker 2 Have you had any conversations with Lindsay about it?

Speaker 2 Like when you say you don't know like is that is that like an i don't know because you do know you can have to say you have to shrug your shoulders like i'm sworn to secrecy i don't know have you spoken with no i don't um i think she's open i i don't know

Speaker 2 what will come of it because like have you talked to her about it

Speaker 9 i mean we talk all the time we talk you know we talk

Speaker 2 like it's your decision what do you think i i

Speaker 9 i i don't know i don't know if that they think that that would fit or not i haven't you think it would fit the network doesn't tell us anything. Do I think she would fit? I think she'd be fun.

Speaker 9 I actually do. I think it'd be really interesting to see her come from a Bravo show into our show.
I mean, what a different world.

Speaker 2 I think you'd be different. You guys kind of need it.
You guys need it. You guys need a little, you guys need a little.

Speaker 3 She's got the personality for a housewife, I think.

Speaker 9 Listen, I am in my, I don't know if this happened. to you guys, but I am in my era of like, I just want to party and have fun.
I mean, I've been pregnant four fucking times. I'm 37 years old.

Speaker 9 I'm not 100. I want to have so much fun.
I'm like, you know, I'm two weeks out. So I need to wait a little bit, but I am like ready to party.

Speaker 2 How old were you when you had your first?

Speaker 9 I got pregnant. I was 27 or 28, which is young.
But you see, for us, and this is something we talk about on our podcast.

Speaker 9 We didn't change our lives. Like that wasn't,

Speaker 9 we continued to party. We continued to be young people.
We continued to work. We continued to do all the things we were doing before.

Speaker 9 We just decided to have a kid and kind of spontaneously, you know, but at this point, like, I just want to have fun.

Speaker 9 So I'm very excited about the prospect of having someone that's my age that wants to like, that still has that in them, that wants to have fun with me, maybe have a couple drinks, which I think we were lacking.

Speaker 9 Um, and just kind of like be a little loose, you know?

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's why, that's why I feel like you guys could use a little Lindsey Hubbert because like in this past episode of Summer House, you know, it was like we're really happy for carl he's having his launch party for his non-alcoholic bar you know which everyone's really supportive and then you have lindsay being like honestly like where's the fucking bar this is just a party to announce a bar and like i want i want type of energy at roni when like one of you ladies are like having some sort of event and it's all about all flashy and it's for the show and lindsay to to just be like what what is even going on and like to start like just question, you know, give us some like hardcore like Lindsey Hubbard, like, this is bullshit.

Speaker 2 Because I was kind of with Lindsay on that one. I mean, listen, you know, when it comes to like Hollywood or tech startups or whatever, you know, it's a lot of like show and then tell type of thing.

Speaker 2 You have the launch party,

Speaker 2 you get the interest, whatever. You create the buzz and then you actually create or make the product.
But I, you know, I've done both.

Speaker 2 I prefer the actually just like show them you can actually do the thing rather than talking about the thing. Where it's like, with Carl, like, you know, I'm really happy for him.

Speaker 2 I'm glad he's picking himself back up. I'm glad he's dating.
I'm glad he's sober. He's making a lot of self-improvements.
But like, where's the bar?

Speaker 2 You know, and I, I wouldn't be, if I'm his ex, like Lindsay was, I would, I would have the same type of reaction. Like, what's, I'm happy for him, but like, he hasn't done anything yet.

Speaker 9 Yeah, I, I, I like her directness. I will not lie.
I do like it a lot. And she's fun, which I also think is great.

Speaker 3 She is fun and she is direct.

Speaker 2 I'm rooting for it. What about you, Abe? Are you pro or not pro Lindsay Hubbard coming to the season of Roney?

Speaker 4 Honestly, I don't know her. I don't know her that well.
I mean, Aaron, Aaron's playing with her.

Speaker 4 We agreed that we need somebody to, we need a little shake up as far as the energy and make it a little bit more

Speaker 4 fun and light and maybe chaotic, but not in a dark way. So I'm all for that.

Speaker 9 I think we're going on a double date, Abe, FYI.

Speaker 2 Oh, you.

Speaker 9 So, yeah.

Speaker 4 Tell me. Ernest says we calendar invites to show up.

Speaker 9 Yeah, he has no idea what's happening any day of the week.

Speaker 2 Love. That's so fun.

Speaker 2 All right, guys. Well, thanks for joining the show.
Congratulations. I'm your fourth child.
Very excited for you both and just wishing you guys nothing but the best. Thank you, guys.

Speaker 2 All right. Take care.
Thank you. Hi.
Bye, guys. Bye.

Speaker 2 I don't know.

Speaker 2 I'm hoping this Lindsay Deroni thing happens. It needs to happen.
She just can't be hiding in the summer house room for much longer.

Speaker 3 Since we're talking about housewives, let's quickly get into some Atlanta.

Speaker 2 That was wild.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that was rough.

Speaker 2 She had posters. They weren't sheets of paper.

Speaker 3 And she pulled them out one by one.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. Blown up.

Speaker 6 It's like the levels.

Speaker 10 I think Cynthia Bailey said it the best way where she was like, Kenya, this is like a lower version version of you that I don't know. And like, that was wrong.

Speaker 6 I'm like, I think it's both. Like, it's all wrong.

Speaker 6 But yeah, the internet is back and forth with like, it's crazy that like Bravo kicked Kenya off for this, but then you didn't have any repercussions for Britney or Brit threatening having a gun on her.

Speaker 2 Well, that's stop her from filming. Yeah, add the show element to it, right? Like just the whole story, like outside of like what we're watching, right? Like there are definitely some gaps for sure.

Speaker 2 Like gap one these were on poster boards and like neatly like tucked away for the right time for kenya to bring them out you know so like clearly she planned on this and they made it seem like they made it seem like kenya's response was a reaction to like britch showing up to her party uninvited and kind of crashing the party And that's why she almost seemed like triggered by it.

Speaker 2 Like, that's how it came across to me.

Speaker 2 But like, where were any of these producers when she brought in poster size like pictures of these sexual acts that were going to be so egregious that they were going to fire Kenya from it like did no one catch wind of it did no one see this like you know what I'm saying for everyone to act like this was like just kind of happened so fast that they didn't realize it and it was like kind of almost too late after the fact because that's kind of how it shot right like it was just like oh she did this We can't believe she did this shit.

Speaker 2 We can't stand by this. We have to fire her.
But it's like, she brought posters. Like, you're saying that to escape.
And they were talking about it. I'm saying it's not inconspicuous.
No one saw this.

Speaker 2 No one was like, oh, you brought posters. Can I, you know, like, can I grab these from you? What are these? You know, no one took a peek.

Speaker 10 Even Shamia said, like, all of us have seen these photos and videos, but it's like the second you decided to bring it up in the group or on screen is like another level.

Speaker 2 Yeah. So it's like, I can't believe these exist.
Yeah, the argument that these are

Speaker 2 photos that are like available for anyone who knows how to find them online is a, is a bullshit argument. Like what Kenya did was terrible, like horrible.

Speaker 2 Like, and she deserves to absolutely be fired for this. Like, fine, take the threat as a real threat.
She did threaten her. I get it.
But like, this isn't a threat. This is like Kenya did it.

Speaker 2 She didn't say it would, it would be like the equivalent is Kenya like just talking about the videos or photos that are available for people to find and be like, well, you've done this and you used to like, aren't we all kind of hoes, you know, at some point in our life?

Speaker 2 Most of us?

Speaker 2 I don't know.

Speaker 2 Aren't

Speaker 2 Kelly said the same thing? Who is this hoe?

Speaker 2 Like,

Speaker 2 you know, if the worst thing that you can find is someone being a hoe back in the day.

Speaker 10 If this situation didn't happen, I feel like the whole Bravo sphere would be... like strongly against Britt, which is the interesting situation.

Speaker 2 Of course, because

Speaker 2 you should not be carrying a gun and threaten said person with the gun, but like when you bring a poster size pictures.

Speaker 6 Yeah, like you can bring quote-unquote receipts, but like, yeah, you didn't need to put print out a poster-size image of

Speaker 6 what you're discussing or what you're talking about.

Speaker 3 They weren't equal, you know?

Speaker 2 No. No.

Speaker 6 Yeah. No.
Not a like. potential threat in your life while you're being like heated and whatnot and something that could be like talked out and discussed.

Speaker 6 It's like you shamed her in front of an entire audience of people.

Speaker 2 And let's be clear, like Kenya's response was based off of her feeling disrespected. It was about, you know what I'm saying? It wasn't about like her being scared for her life.

Speaker 2 It wasn't about her being, you know, worried. It was the disrespect

Speaker 2 of being threatened by a gun. And so her response to being disrespected was to disrespect Brit.
You know what I'm saying? And that's what makes it so horrific and so bad.

Speaker 2 is because like her argument is like well you threatened me with a gun and again terrible you shouldn't do that and if that's all if if that's all that happened, you're right.

Speaker 2 We would all be on Team Kenya. But it wasn't like she was worried or scared.

Speaker 2 She just felt disrespected.

Speaker 2 And her response to that disrespect was to go as low as possible and not just even talk about them, but bringing them up so that everyone could see at a party, in front of her peers, in front of her community, in front of her friend.

Speaker 2 It was just, it was, it was nasty. It was like, there is no, you know, basically, Kenya just showed there is, there's no,

Speaker 6 I i will go as low as i have to it will it won't go as low yeah yeah i have to agree with that too because i'm like the thing is that it's like if we're talking about questioning your safety then like that's when you talk to production you don't go and like print off something to like ignite put more

Speaker 10 more fuel on the fire essentially i think it's an element of both because i mean she even said like she only knew this person for like two weeks at this point and like the impression she's getting now is that she's caring to justin to potentially like backlush her and i'm not saying this as a way to justify justin if you were afraid of somebody and that person you thought had a weapon of any kind

Speaker 10 and you were legitimately afraid of them your response would be to embarrass them publicly well she said she went to production and told it and nobody said anything until she was being invited to events so like in her response was meant to trigger this person you know what i'm saying like i'm not saying it's right I'm not justifying it, but I'm saying that there could be an element of feeling unsafe because they all acknowledged it in the moment.

Speaker 2 Kenya's actions proved without a shadow of a doubt that she did not feel unsafe. That is not the actions of a person who feels afraid of someone.
Like you don't antagonize that person.

Speaker 2 You don't try to trigger them. You certainly don't try to embarrass them.
You don't try to ruin their life.

Speaker 2 If you are actually afraid of that person, that is how you put yourself in a dangerous situation. So like, unless Kenya's not stupid, we know that she wasn't scared.
Her actions told us this.

Speaker 2 It's like, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 We don't have to guess. We know.
Because if you're actually scared, and maybe she went to production, but that response is not the response of a person who is in any way afraid of

Speaker 2 this person.

Speaker 6 I wish that Britt would have actually tried to like reach out to Kenya in a different way than like showing up at the event with flowers.

Speaker 6 And like maybe this whole thing could have been diffused, but it just kind of seems like everybody's trying to show up in each other's faces, but being like, no, I'm so sorry.

Speaker 6 And then obviously Kenya ignored her, which therefore Kenya obviously went back, started putting on makeup so she knew what she was going to do next. Yeah.

Speaker 6 But it's just unfortunate because it sounds like Britt said a lot of things in the heat of the moment that she didn't mean and wanted to come to terms with Kenya.

Speaker 6 And it sounds like Kenya already had in her mind that this woman is not okay and she needs to go.

Speaker 6 So I think that that was Kenya's way of trying to force Britt's hand that being like, you want to stay in this group?

Speaker 10 Well, this is what's going to happen or like whatever kind of, but neither, neither, neither thing is justified by by either one's actions if anything it's just both sides was britt rem reprimanded at all like was that investigated it didn't it doesn't feel like it her side of it isn't very public we only know when kenya did her interview and was saying like i'm still on payroll with them like bravo still understands me andy has talked to me but we know we just know that brittany's gonna address it of like now i have to dress revenge porn when like i wasn't planning on doing that yeah as her storyline Yeah.

Speaker 6 I mean, I think it's just telling by all the other housewives by the end of it just were like

Speaker 6 walked out.

Speaker 2 Portia was like, turn the camera off on me.

Speaker 6 I don't even want it to be known that I was at this event.

Speaker 10 That's why Cynthia, I think, handled it the best, being like, this is a low, low that I've never seen.

Speaker 6 She said, I really hate that you let this end this way. I think you're bigger than this, and I think you're better than this.
Exactly.

Speaker 6 But then she also just did an interview saying that like she hasn't talked to Kenya since this whole event happened.

Speaker 2 And Kenya is online really trying to still paint herself as the victim. Yeah.

Speaker 6 I'm like, I'm being, by all means, I mean, she's been cut out of most of the season. I think she's not going to be featured after this.

Speaker 10 She doesn't have a tagline this season.

Speaker 6 So, so, I mean, I'm sure she's trying to get her side out of the story. It sounds like she's on pause, though, that she wasn't fully fired.

Speaker 10 That's what she's implied. And that's what the like the text said on this episode as well.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 her side of the story is, we know her side of the story, right?

Speaker 6 Like, yeah, but she's trying, like, she's coming for people trying to like justify either people not standing up for her anymore or that, like, she, she's trying to say that she was in the right for what she did.

Speaker 6 And a lot of the time, and there's, it's just kind of hard to argue that in the sense of that.

Speaker 2 No, that's crazy. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 That's crazy. Exactly.
I mean, she came for Cynthia, I think, even yesterday or something, and used an old clip of Nini saying, like, talking about her.

Speaker 6 So she's trying to use other people's quotes and whatnot to justify her feeling of being like isolated or not being heard or not like given an opportunity to stand up for herself.

Speaker 2 But again, has she

Speaker 2 come out at all and been like, well, I don't, you know, like my actions were wrong and uncalled for. Yes, I have a a problem with what Britt did.
And yes, that's a separate issue.

Speaker 2 I hope that that still needs to be dealt with. And it hasn't been dealt with to my liking and blah, blah, blah.
But I should not have done this. I should not have put out

Speaker 2 these photos. Has she said anything remotely like that?

Speaker 10 She did. I mean, the most recent thing she said was basically like, I went too far.
I shouldn't have done that. I mean, they all speak in like vague.
They all speak in vague terms.

Speaker 10 So nobody's fully owning up to anything, but she did acknowledge she went too far.

Speaker 2 That's wild. I I mean, it was

Speaker 2 the poster wars were absolutely wild. But I don't know.
It's hard for me to think that she's really seen the errors of her ways while simultaneously see her

Speaker 2 so loud painting herself as the victim in the situation online.

Speaker 6 She said, hindsight is always 50-50. If I could do it all over again, I believe the photos were very distasteful.
And I elevated the situation.

Speaker 6 I've elevated situations before, and I've taken full accountability for things that I've done. But it doesn't sound like she's saying sorry to Brit for her actions.

Speaker 6 She's saying that she understands that.

Speaker 10 Sorry for what I've done, not sorry to. Yes.

Speaker 2 And then she's like posting pictures of like justice for Kenya more. Kenya.

Speaker 2 It's crazy.

Speaker 6 That was a tweet that has just happened.

Speaker 10 She has been trending as the season's airing. So it's in her perspective.

Speaker 2 That is one benefit of

Speaker 2 doing what she did. You will trend.

Speaker 6 And I also agree with Cynthia too, where it's just kind of like, it's unfortunate because Kenya worked really hard to try to get this hair spa salon open and letting somebody's one comment get to you and making your entire event trying to shame this one woman where it's like, you should have been celebrating what you've accomplished.

Speaker 6 It's just, it's just really unfortunate. It was a wild child.

Speaker 2 Watching women tear other women down.

Speaker 6 Right? This should be about you and celebrating like what you've come to. Have this conversation at a dinner or have this at somebody's house.
And like, even then, does it make it okay?

Speaker 6 No, but I'm just like at your salon opening where I'm like, this should have been a really big moment for you and for success.

Speaker 2 And like, now you're not being hard at the opening.

Speaker 2 You're, you're at, you're, you're, say, at your wedding, you, you're up at the aisle. You're, you're doing your vows.

Speaker 2 And then like you, you got in a fight with like someone at the wedding the week before. Maybe it's even a friend of a friend.

Speaker 2 It's your, your brother's girlfriend or something you fucking hate or whatever. And you stop the wedding to like just publicly and call them out and embarrass them.

Speaker 2 Cause that is exactly what Kenya did. I mean, like, you know, this event probably had as much meaning as like a wedding does to some people.
You know, like it's her business.

Speaker 2 It's her, it's all about her. It's like she's the center of attention.
It's her day. And she chooses to like ruin that by like just being unbelievably messy and petty.

Speaker 6 100%. Nobody's talking about her like hair or hair treatments or whatever's going on.
Anybody that's talking about this day is most likely talking about this Brit and Kenya situation.

Speaker 6 So it's really unfortunate for her.

Speaker 2 All right. Well, up up next, we have Christina Hendrix talking about good American family and her love for all things housewives and Bravo.
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Speaker 2 Christina, welcome to the show. Thank you so much.

Speaker 3 Thanks for having me. I'm so excited.

Speaker 2 Thank you. We're a huge one.

Speaker 2 How have you been? What's new? Boy.

Speaker 12 Been out promoting the show. Sure.
Promoting a couple shows. So I've been going back and forth to London and Ireland and back here.
Wow.

Speaker 12 Got married this year. Been doing some renovating.
Have a little bit of a cold. How about you guys?

Speaker 2 What's up with you wow you've i don't i mean definitely not as busy as you have been at all well we did also get married this year last year well is we're in our first year is it will this be your first will this be your first anniversary or your second anniversary or first anniversary yes yes okay and we're a week apart we are a week apart yeah we've decided we are renovating oh yeah remodeling yeah kind of tearing it up you might have been busier than me actually well i do hear that you are into interior design so i am excited to hear like your thoughts on like a few things on getting this studio.

Speaker 3 How are you feeling about the studio?

Speaker 2 Does it feel warm? Yes, it does.

Speaker 12 And I immediately noticed the pillows and I really approve of the shade of green. Very, very nice.

Speaker 2 Okay, very well done.

Speaker 3 Nick was wanting to change behind him and keep this wall green and keep that wall curtain. And I was like, that feels like just, I was like, the symmetry of the two curtains.

Speaker 2 You know those frame TVs? that with art you can also put like logos behind it put some signage behind here get rid of the curtain which is like nice, but like it's just a curtain.

Speaker 2 And how do we do that while incorporating this? Because that would be a real bugaboo to repaint or redo.

Speaker 12 Right, because you've got, you want to have a bit of branding behind you. Is that what you want to? Yeah.
I can see that. Listen, I think more is more.

Speaker 12 So I don't mind a little

Speaker 12 adding texture and prints with different things. I think you can go.
I think you can go a little crazy. Maximalism's in.

Speaker 3 Maximalism. We got the stamp of approval.

Speaker 2 I got the stamp of approval.

Speaker 3 I know I've been with you for so long.

Speaker 2 Forward Forward home.

Speaker 2 Since we're just staying on interior design, should we just get her input?

Speaker 12 On you guys, are going to do your farmhouse, right?

Speaker 2 The lake house. So lake house.

Speaker 3 I'm sorry. Lake House.

Speaker 2 I saw the boots and I thought farm.

Speaker 12 Lake House, which is my dream to have a lake house.

Speaker 3 It's going to be so beautiful once it's all done. Right now, it feels like it's like a pipe dream, you know? It's like, sure, it's here's like what I've picked out.

Speaker 2 Who knows if it's going to look like they just started reframing. So

Speaker 2 that's the stage that we're in. Yeah.

Speaker 12 Yeah. Are you going to lean into the lake house feel?

Speaker 3 I I think I want to lean into just the cozy texture pattern vibe and not so cabin-y, but not like fish on the wall.

Speaker 3 I don't think I'll go that far, but I do want it to feel very like warm and cozy because majority of the time it is winter there in Wisconsin. So

Speaker 12 I'm so jealous that you get to start this project, brush.

Speaker 15 I know.

Speaker 12 It's going to be so much fun. Call me if you want any ideas.

Speaker 3 What is like your go-to style?

Speaker 12 I'm a bit eclectic. I would say maximalism for sure.
There's a little deco mixed with traditional, very whimsical, lots of pattern mixing.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 12 Lots of things about, lots of things to look at.

Speaker 3 Are you like an antique or vintage hunting? Do you go to like flea markets and find the I do.

Speaker 12 You know, I go to less flea markets in Los Angeles because I think everyone really knows what they've got here.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 12 And at this point, I think most antique dealers are on Cherish or First Dibs or eBay. I'll oftentimes be out and about looking, and I go, Hmm, did you list this last week?

Speaker 5 I've already, I've already parted it.

Speaker 12 So it sort of takes the groundwork out now because there's all these great sites. And I've had pretty good luck with all of them, too.

Speaker 12 Every once in a while, something will arrive broken, or it's not exactly what you imagined, but I'd say a 90% success rate as far as like the image matching the expectation when it shows up.

Speaker 3 You know, I've just recently unlocked the buying the like vintage turkish rugs or persian rugs on etsy oh shit from turkey absolutely from the source yep so much like inexpensive yep i just got some gorgeous ones from india yes one from pakistan i'm like you go here and it is all from

Speaker 2 marked up in la because it's just like you know i know whatever but i found it's a major source for me yeah there's some really good stuff on there she got me into the rugs too and we walked because we were walking the streets in new york and we were like killing time and we popped into this really like cool rug place and there's this nice gentleman who's running the store had all these wonderful stories how much of they were true or I don't know he was just trying to sell some rugs I don't know but what he did teach us is how like when you buy like I probably like a rug like this and you rub it like all these microfibers but like when these old rugs they're so old and kind of worn down like you never none of that comes up and it seems like it's like better

Speaker 12 for you and they're somehow like that patina that they have that age that just a new rug just doesn't have you You know, it's just

Speaker 3 part of it's kind of like

Speaker 3 faded and it's like

Speaker 3 the character about it. You just love it.

Speaker 12 If you had a new rug and you spilled something on it, you'd be devastated. But then we go spend extra money to find a rug that looks like someone else already spilled something on it.

Speaker 2 I will say, when it comes to these old Persian rugs, it's really easy to just take them outside and hose them down.

Speaker 3 We've had like dogs have accidents on them and yeah,

Speaker 12 I saw some hack about someone taking something. Oh, I know what it was.

Speaker 12 I saw a hack where someone took it out in the snow, laid it out in the snow, rubbed it all down with snow, and then whisked it off with a broom afterwards, and it's supposed to clean it really well.

Speaker 12 I have not put this into action.

Speaker 2 I don't know what you're doing, or something? I mean, maybe it's just freeze the stain or something.

Speaker 12 Or maybe it's just hosing it down like you, but not saturating it with maybe it just

Speaker 12 dries faster because you're not, yeah.

Speaker 2 No, there'll be plenty of

Speaker 2 next thing you know, you've got all your rugs out in the snow. They're like, Hendrix, what are you doing?

Speaker 3 Our neighbors are like, um,

Speaker 2 help me.

Speaker 2 Your new project, Good American Family. We watched it.
It's, well, it's awesome. One.
It's a fascinating story. You're amazing in it.
Like, really, the whole cast. I mean, it's a great cast.

Speaker 2 It's a great cast, wonderful writing, great acting. First of all, like, how much of the story did you know before you were presented this opportunity of this project?

Speaker 2 I mean, because obviously it was like a national story. People got into it.

Speaker 12 I mean, with as much information as there was out there, I hadn't heard of it, actually. Oh, so my husband had, as soon as I brought it up to him, he was like, oh my gosh, this story is so wild.

Speaker 12 So my introduction was the script, actually.

Speaker 12 So I read the script first and I thought, this cannot be from real news story. I mean, this, it just seems unfathomable that these things could have happened in someone's, in someone's real life.

Speaker 12 So I wanted to be a part of it because it was such an interesting, intriguing story. And then I immediately dove in and watched the ID series and, you know, did my research online.

Speaker 2 And you know, as an artist playing a role, like, do you feel like less able or willing to like form your own opinion as like a fan of the story?

Speaker 2 Or not necessarily a fan, because it's obviously a bit of a tragic story, but just someone who's been fascinated by the story and kind of like almost in a true crime way, just like have opinions, talk with family or friends about it.

Speaker 12 Or do you try to distance yourself from that, you know, when playing a character and doing during the time, yeah, during the time of filming, well, I also had it sort of interesting circumstances in that I got cast about 30 hours before I was supposed to be on set.

Speaker 12 So not only did I not know the story, I didn't have a lot of time with it.

Speaker 12 So in that amount of time, I read the, all the scripts, I watched everything there was of the ID story out there at the time, and I found any sort of interviews I could find with the characters and then just sort of

Speaker 12 stopped at that point, locked into the script and had to work on a dialect, you know, with a different accent overnight. So I just immediately stuck to then what was on the page and in that story.

Speaker 12 Now, since then, I'm still following the story and I'm incredibly curious. But for our purposes in our storytelling, I just really stuck with what was on the page so that we still told our story.

Speaker 2 You know,

Speaker 2 I'm even more impressed with your performance.

Speaker 2 I mean, you really, like, you, like, watching you went Madman, right? Like, I think the Christina I'm sitting here today, you see, you know, I could see a little bit of that character.

Speaker 15 It's a very different look and everything for me.

Speaker 2 And then, like, you're playing Cynthia, Cynthia Mann. Definitely different than that.

Speaker 12 Yeah, very, very different character.

Speaker 2 Very, very different. And we recollect.

Speaker 12 Yeah, we went in and created this look, you know, tried to take inspirations from the real-life Cynthia and went and chose a wig and tried on different options, decided on that, took the different sort of ideas that we'd seen from some of the wardrobe that she wore and went into costumes and immediately started to put her together.

Speaker 12 And it just started to really come together to be this really different human. So I'm really proud of it because I feel like, you know, you might not recognize me when you first watch it.

Speaker 12 I remember showing people pictures of me when I was first filming it and they're like,

Speaker 12 that's not you. That's actually not you.

Speaker 2 You're kind of double take.

Speaker 12 Yeah, but as an actor, that's what you want people to feel. So it's great.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Oh, that's amazing. So with your husband being aware of the story beforehand, has he been gotten a chance to watch everything yet?

Speaker 12 He's only seen the first episode. I've seen all of them, but

Speaker 12 he's going to be watching as the audience watches.

Speaker 12 Yeah, yeah. He went to the premiere and he thought it was great.
And yeah, he's excited to see the rest. Oh, my God.
So

Speaker 2 what do you think about the story?

Speaker 12 I mean, it's just, you know,

Speaker 12 it's a very tragic story. But I think what's so intriguing is that it went as far as it did.
And it's a real he said, she said

Speaker 12 kind of situation. And I think so much about this story is about who has the power and who had the power in this situation.
And a young child, and we can say she was a young child.

Speaker 12 That's been proven, you know, in science and it's out there. But the fact that they were able to re-age her legally from age eight to 22

Speaker 12 and that this person didn't have a voice for herself.

Speaker 12 And so I think one thing that's interesting about our show is we're going to show it all at once, but the first half of the story, you're going to see it from the Barnett's point of view and understand how all these things were said and how they got.

Speaker 12 to the place that now we're in a courthouse. And then halfway through we shift to Natalia's point of view.
And you're going to see just how different the allegations are and the experiences.

Speaker 12 You realize, God, if we just always listen to this very reasonable looking family said so, so we're going to believe it or we're going to listen to this.

Speaker 12 And then all these other sort of things start to come out and you realize, wow, you really need to look deeper in this story. This is really a wild one.

Speaker 12 The character you play is painted in a pretty positive light in this project, but then like stuff has come out about that family as well and that's a very kind of just there seems to be more and more layers to yeah i mean i mean these people are still out there living their lives this story is continuing on our story is a very specific time of their story so for all our purposes i play cynthia as someone who comes into natalia's life in a time of need takes her into the family helps her

Speaker 12 legally helps her with love and care and a place to stay. And yes, there have been other things that continue to come out and I think the public is still learning about.

Speaker 12 But for our purposes, you know,

Speaker 12 I come in in a time of need.

Speaker 2 Is this your first time like playing, like doing like a bio, like you're playing an actual person and you feel like you have to, like there is research out there you can do about an actual person.

Speaker 2 Have you done that?

Speaker 12 This is the first time I'm playing a real life living person.

Speaker 12 However, you know, we do, we do state at the beginning of each episode. This is a dramatization of this story.

Speaker 12 Like, Dule Hill plays a cop in it, but he's an amalgamation of all the cops that were actually in this story. So, our performances are inspired by these people.

Speaker 12 The story's been altered here and there. But if you're familiar with the story, you're going to recognize a lot of what's going on.

Speaker 2 And is that a weirder feeling knowing that whoever you're playing is going to see it, watch it,

Speaker 2 critique it or have it? Yeah, I'm sure they're going to.

Speaker 12 Well, how could you not? I mean, to have someone playing you on screen must be a very surreal experience. And of course, you've got your

Speaker 12 ideas of the story. So I'm sure, you know, I don't know how she'll

Speaker 12 respond to

Speaker 2 that question. People always ask: who would play you in your life story?

Speaker 13 Yeah, I mean, that's a game.

Speaker 5 That's like a game you play at parties, right?

Speaker 12 It's like, who would play you?

Speaker 2 Who would play you?

Speaker 12 And Margaret.

Speaker 12 Who would play you guys?

Speaker 3 Oh, gosh. I don't know.

Speaker 3 Emma Watson.

Speaker 2 Oh. Okay.

Speaker 12 I was going to say, like, Jennifer Connolly.

Speaker 2 Ooh. Right?

Speaker 2 Okay. Nick said yesterday I was sitting.

Speaker 2 I don't know where he saw.

Speaker 2 You were sitting and you were said she was giving me a little Demi Moore. Ooh, a little Demi.

Speaker 12 I'm mad about it. I mean, I'm basing this off of physicality and just meeting you, but maybe there's a different sort of aura that someone else would.
Maybe

Speaker 12 the longer I knew you, I would say someone else.

Speaker 2 I'm not sure.

Speaker 3 I feel like Nick is definitely, I mean, like a Ryan Reynolds or

Speaker 15 Theo James.

Speaker 12 Just any Ryan. Yes.

Speaker 2 Any of the Ryans.

Speaker 3 Definitely Theo James recently for me.

Speaker 2 He found that recently. I don't see it, but I'll take it.
He's very handsome.

Speaker 12 He's very handsome.

Speaker 12 My husband worked with him.

Speaker 2 Really? Yeah. On what?

Speaker 12 On the Time Traveler's Wife. Not the film, the series.
Oh!

Speaker 2 Was that a few years ago? Okay, yeah.

Speaker 2 We hear that you like reality TV.

Speaker 12 I do. I'm a sucker.
I love that. I'm in.

Speaker 3 How did you get like introduced into reality TV?

Speaker 12 The very first show was Real Housewives in New York. I know that one of my best friends was watching it and I was like, oh no, what are you doing? You can't.
You can't. It's a betrayal to all actors.

Speaker 12 You can't. It's against everything in our industry.
What have you done? She was like, just watch one.

Speaker 2 Hooked.

Speaker 12 So hooked, so fast. Couldn't believe what I was watching.
And then, you know, that was the gateway drug.

Speaker 3 That was like the OG cast or was that the new?

Speaker 12 Girl, you think I just started watching this?

Speaker 2 I don't know.

Speaker 2 oh g cast okay okay okay i was just making sure i know because i do i've been doing this for a bit you like the current cast yeah

Speaker 12 i do like them it was time yeah i feel like they

Speaker 3 i don't feel like they hate each other enough you know i feel like they're all just like cool co-workers but but okay first of all i feel like to a certain extent

Speaker 12 Salt Lake,

Speaker 12 I'm calling you out because I feel like they feel like they can't exist on the show show unless they start a fight in every single scene.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 12 And it didn't used to be that way.

Speaker 12 It used to be that it was a bunch of people and watching their lifestyle living in New York and following them around town and their families and their lifestyle and how they interacted.

Speaker 12 And then they would not get along here and there. And then it was like, ooh, whoa, there's a little beef going on.
That's interesting. But the show wasn't about throwing hysterical fights.

Speaker 13 Right.

Speaker 12 And I just feel like it's gotten like the expectation is if you, if you're going to get cut off the show, if you don't come in and blow shit up.

Speaker 3 I do feel like that because now I feel like when we watch something and there's not a fight, it's like, oh, what a boring episode. There was nothing that happened, you know? It's like, where's the,

Speaker 12 I loved the whole bit this year in New York where they were all making fun of Jenna's pubic hair.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 12 And they all like had the way, they were all just laughing, getting along. No one was fighting.
They were all in on it. And it was an absolutely enjoyable, hilarious moment.

Speaker 2 You would almost like to see maybe a little bit more sincere bonding. Some camaraderie.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 12 I don't need to see them all blowing up at each other.

Speaker 2 How did you feel about Monica,

Speaker 2 Salt Lake City, and that whole exit? Were you like

Speaker 2 time to leave?

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 12 I feel a little hoodwinked because I was kind of Team Monica at the beginning.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 12 My husband was like, no, there's something's going on here. There's something.
He called it. I was kind of like, you know, she's refreshing and like showing a different side of living in the city.

Speaker 2 She's still mixed. We were really hard on her because like as I've, I was on reality TV way back when, and the idea when when Reality Vantes came out, like it was like kind of triggering for me.

Speaker 2 The idea that like someone would betray you that way? You sometimes interact with fan accounts or fans of the show that interact with the show and

Speaker 2 the gossip of the rumors and they like to do that. And then they'll talk about you and that can be weird at first.
But to find out

Speaker 2 how I saw it first was, oh my God, if I found out that someone secretly became my friend and that found out that was a person who was like covering me behind my back,

Speaker 2 I would just, it felt so icky and dirty.

Speaker 5 Oh, it was icky and dirty.

Speaker 2 But then we had an opportunity to interview Monica and she was here. And honestly, I was kind of like, I wish I'd heard that one.
Still,

Speaker 2 okay. Okay.
Check her out. That's the thing about the internet.

Speaker 2 Nothing goes away. You know, it's like, definitely, I was like, you know, she's messy and, you know, maybe she's told her about it.
What was her defense, though?

Speaker 2 Well, her defense was like, you know, which I believed is like, you know, Lisa and Meredith, like they all knew that she was a part of it. They even DM'd and interact with the reality of on tees.

Speaker 2 Like they, they kind of do the...

Speaker 12 She was saying they were playing dumb a little bit.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and kind of like guilty.

Speaker 2 Guilty of very similar things, but like maybe in a different way, you know? And I was, you know, the more I've gotten to watch or, you know, learn about.

Speaker 2 Lisa just from the eyes of a fan, I kind of buy her reasoning.

Speaker 12 But do you think that Bravo knew? No. Do you think that they were like, we know, but let's just see what happens?

Speaker 2 I really don't. I think in my experience with producers, and I haven't met all of them, but when it comes to reality TV is they kind of believe in their shtick in a way.

Speaker 2 But aren't they doing background research?

Speaker 3 Yeah, but sometimes she did hint at like she claims she claims that someone knew, then that person got fired and that person never told anyone else.

Speaker 2 Her story's a little fishy about that. And I honestly.

Speaker 12 And also, would you blame a producer for letting that happen? I mean, drama will ensue.

Speaker 2 I think my experience with the ITV producers is like, that's a less organic way. And that's kind of a, if they did stuff like that, it's harder to have a lot of people.

Speaker 2 Like, no,

Speaker 2 you're burning too many bridges just for a moment. Sure.
Right. And it's kind of like a cheap and lazy way of getting good television.

Speaker 2 And I actually, I find that to be more truthful than not when it comes to producers. Now, they're all, they're not, all producers aren't the same.

Speaker 2 But knowing the production company that produces Salt Lake City and Shed Media and things like that, they're the big deal.

Speaker 6 They're the big deal.

Speaker 2 I just don't see it. And her, her story is a little, sounds a little bullshit about that one.
She's like, well, I kind of told somebody. I don't remember who, and blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 2 And it's like, okay.

Speaker 3 Have you ever pulled any inspiration from any housewives or anyone for like a part or interesting?

Speaker 12 I think it's a good question.

Speaker 3 Even like a party trick.

Speaker 12 I mean, listen, there's lots of things in the home

Speaker 5 with

Speaker 2 quotes and,

Speaker 12 you know,

Speaker 2 like merch

Speaker 12 from the franchise in the home. So we do enjoy it.
And I'm trying to think, like, first of all, anytime you see one in the wild, it's the most exciting celebrity sighting of all.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 12 And they know it. I feel like they're all like, I know, I know.
Like, you're getting excited. I can feel your energy.
I'm like on an escalator being like, oh my God, I'm behind the countess.

Speaker 12 So I've met quite a few of them,

Speaker 12 which has been fun for me. But

Speaker 12 I do refrain from asking too many personal questions. I just go, I love your show.
I love you on it. I'm so excited.

Speaker 2 This is amazing. Particular that you got a little starstruck from?

Speaker 12 They're all exciting.

Speaker 12 I mean, let's go through the list of the ones I've seen in the wild.

Speaker 12 Jill Zarin, most of the Beverly Hills housewives, because we live here. So you're going to see them out.
My husband's seen Sonia many times. That's one I would really love to see.

Speaker 12 Bethany, I've been on shows with. Okay.
So, that was fun. And she was really nice.
She sent over a whole big package of skinny girl stuff afterwards.

Speaker 2 So, that was a good perk.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And you have some

Speaker 2 housewife merch at home?

Speaker 12 Well, we have, my husband keeps his pens in a mug with the countess's mug shot.

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 2 it's very good. I got to fan her on this count.
Yeah, she was.

Speaker 2 When we were seating up, I also met the Countess years ago in Chicago.

Speaker 12 I mean, she's fabulous. She's fabulous.
There is a tray next to my husband's bed that I got him for a stocking one year that I think it just says, you smell like hospital. So there's that.

Speaker 2 It's a good quote.

Speaker 3 Honestly, yeah, but I honestly understood where she was going.

Speaker 12 Yeah, you were like, we all know what that is.

Speaker 3 We all know what it is.

Speaker 12 It was just like such a strange comment.

Speaker 5 It was so strange.

Speaker 12 yeah but well timed is housewives your favorite franchise i would say so okay i do like below deck but then like when we start to get into like summer house and stuff like that in winter house like i'll watch it but begrudgingly okay but it's just sort of like scratches that itch where i just when i just want to not think about work

Speaker 12 and just

Speaker 3 have that soothing salve of is it like your going to bed show or is it like sunday during the day you've got just like nothing going on you're just hanging out?

Speaker 12 I have very specific things that I watch during the day and things that I watch in the evening. Really?

Speaker 12 And day, if I'm going to watch television during the day, it is relegated to like home shows, like redecorating, rebuilding. Those are my daytime shows.

Speaker 3 Something that if someone walked in, they wouldn't be like, are you watching?

Speaker 2 They'd be like, oh, what am I doing?

Speaker 12 They'd be like, oh, you're educating yourself.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's almost like classes in session.
It's like lots of work hours.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 12 It's sort of that, like, that's like, you know, DIY projects, get inspiration.

Speaker 12 And then when, you know, when the day ends, the last work phone calls have been had, then we can go into our nighttime programming.

Speaker 12 You can get into like great scripted shows and then fill it in with your reality TV.

Speaker 3 Are you a big fan of any scripted shows that are currently out right now?

Speaker 2 I mean, White Lotus.

Speaker 12 I mean, you know, the creme de la creme. But what were you?

Speaker 2 I do think, and this, I have this kind of theory. I feel like what's so popular about White Lotus, I feel like it's a scripted show show written as a reality TV show.

Speaker 2 In that you're sort of you're following these like humans, and it's like, it seems like almost like a character study on like family dynamics and interpersonal relationships.

Speaker 2 And like Mike White, the creator and director, like kind of famously was on Survivor. Right.
And then you hear about like his inspirations for some of these families.

Speaker 2 And like the more I thought about that, it's like, wow, I honestly feel like I'm watching a sometimes watching a reality TV show.

Speaker 12 Well, you're putting, you're putting a bunch of characters in one spot, which is like putting them in a home kind of thing.

Speaker 12 So you've got this one environment and you're watching sometimes people behaving badly and you're watching it kind of spiral out of control. So yeah, I can see how you would

Speaker 12 and the ensemble of it all. Yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 3 Do you feel like you're able to,

Speaker 3 I mean, I can't imagine because I'm not an actor, but watching a scripted show, do you find yourself like kind of working in a sense where you're you're thinking like, oh, how would I have done that?

Speaker 3 Or, oh, that was an interesting one, you know, kind of just like watching every every move that actors make.

Speaker 12 I think so. I mean,

Speaker 12 I would say I can still

Speaker 12 watch something and be whisked away

Speaker 12 into,

Speaker 12 you know, the, the, just the performance and the drama and stuff. But of course, I'm always aware of certain things.
That's where the reality TV comes in.

Speaker 12 I'm not wondering why I didn't get the audition. I'm not looking at someone's performance.

Speaker 12 I'm not wondering, you know, why the steady cam is doing what it's doing. I'm just like, oh, there's the boom.

Speaker 2 No one cares.

Speaker 12 No one cares that there's a reflection of the entire crew that's more like, oh, we're booking.

Speaker 2 And there's

Speaker 2 no,

Speaker 12 this has nothing to do with what I do. So I'm truly able to just relax and enjoy because it's, it has nothing to do with work.
That makes sense.

Speaker 12 And, and even though I can enjoy a film or a series and completely immerse myself, I'm always like, I want to be on this show.

Speaker 12 How come I didn't get the audition for this show?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I am. Mike, you can call me when I'm available.
And I am not even an actor.

Speaker 3 And I'm also like, I feel like I could be in this. Yeah, well, you probably could.

Speaker 2 I know you're less tuned into like the Southern Charms and Summer Houses, but hey, no, I watch Southern Charm. Don't do it.
Have you been following the breakup of Craig and Paige?

Speaker 12 Yeah. Well, I don't.
Okay, here's where I draw the line. I don't turn the show off and then go look it up online.

Speaker 2 It's strictly a TV show.

Speaker 12 Just when it's on, I have friends who will send me like did you hear okay and i'll sometimes find out so i do know that they've broken up but i wouldn't know it from watching right now where i'm at in the series they're not wanting me to spoil it for you no no i knew i knew that's why i'm watching all this buildup as we're watching page's behavior and watching is that do you set like that boundary out of like respect for the the them or you're just like i don't got the time to follow the drama i i have to at some point cut these people cannot consume my entire life sure i have to like at some point cut it off you you know?

Speaker 2 Did you get into Scandinav at all?

Speaker 12 Okay, so I didn't watch Vanderpump at all until

Speaker 6 I got into it.

Speaker 12 The last two seasons, because my husband was like, apparently it's explosive. Oh, no, my husband.

Speaker 15 I was going to say,

Speaker 12 way more into reality TV than I am. Really?

Speaker 14 Yeah. Way more.

Speaker 12 I mean, some of the shows that he has watched, one season wonders that came and went, like the most social media.

Speaker 3 So when you were like, I think I'm hooked to Rahal Sides of New York, was he like, yes, finally. Like, we get to watch this together.

Speaker 12 oh every once in a while I'll be like you know I'm I'm done with such and such he goes don't say that you're scaring me

Speaker 12 this is wait you can't you can't pull out now what are you talking about we have a deal yeah he gets very scared when I might be abandoning a certain

Speaker 12 show he's like no no no like I cannot do southern hospitality I will not I cannot he's addicted he will he watch he watches it alone it's pretty good he watches it alone he's well trust me I keep hearing about little because if you liked if he liked vanderpump it makes sense he loved vanderpump so i only watched the last two seasons and then of course was obviously hooked like the rest of of the of the world yeah but there were lots of people like me who came in on the end on that one

Speaker 12 yeah i didn't i didn't start watching until until that and then and then now they're all gone and right when i got hooked yeah because they're not coming back right no does the show come back at all or is it like newcast or is it just the valley have you have you watched of course of course i watched the valley we're gonna i found that the valley actually kind of deeper like i felt like they were talking about real stuff and reality because they're like Now it's like we're out of the barge.

Speaker 2 We're kind of into real life. Some of them are having kids.
They're families.

Speaker 12 I found it like that they touched on subjects that were quite interesting.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think this season is going to be.

Speaker 12 I'm definitely looking forward to it. When does it come out?

Speaker 2 Soon. It's been a minute.
It's been a minute, something.

Speaker 12 Check out. We could all get together for our anniversaries and watch our anniversary somewhere.

Speaker 2 You should check out Temptation Island on Netflix if you have.

Speaker 12 No, no, no. My husband, first of all, he sings the song all the time.

Speaker 2 He's like, Yonaka champ.

Speaker 12 And he has a dance that he does with it.

Speaker 2 I'm telling you, it's a whole, it's tragic. That's where you draw the line.
Yeah. I mean,

Speaker 12 there's a lot of lines drawn that he keeps crossing, but I don't know.

Speaker 3 Have you gotten like, have you seen Temptation Island?

Speaker 2 Or are you like, I'm not even talking about it? I watched one.

Speaker 12 I was like, no. I don't, I, I prefer my reality TV when it's not a game.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 12 When it's like

Speaker 3 it's just their lives.

Speaker 2 Did you get a chance to work with, you know, some of the cast that you didn't perform with on this project?

Speaker 2 uh or you know sometimes like when you're kind of in and out like when you got hired right i'm guessing they had already been working on this project did you get to interact with like ellen and the rest of the cast all that much so they were already um on episode five when i entered and um and i'm such a fan of ellen and mark deplos Ellen Pompeo and Mark Deplos, just to clarify.

Speaker 12 And I wanted to work with them so badly. And I have some courtroom scenes with them, but really the story kind of shifts from their perspective to mine.

Speaker 12 So when I come in, they're sort of, I mean, they're still prevalent in the entire thing, but we start to focus on different sort of storylines.

Speaker 12 So I didn't really get to have like really good meaty scenes with them, but Ellen was also a producer on it.

Speaker 12 So when I first came in, because I came in so fast and furious, she was like, what do we need to do to make sure that you can get your job done in the best way?

Speaker 12 Who's let's get the dialect coach on the phone. Like, how can we make this easy for you? Like, we're so grateful that you jumped in last minute.
We're sorry, but we're glad you're here.

Speaker 12 And she just really like came in, made me feel comfortable. And I was like, okay, I'm like, someone's got my back.
So she was a great producer. And I was really grateful for her in that way.

Speaker 12 So, you know, maybe one day I'll get to really do a great thing.

Speaker 3 So when you got the call of like, you booked this job, it was like, you booked it and you have to leave. in two days.
Do you know why?

Speaker 2 Like, why did someone fall out?

Speaker 12 Well, that's what I assumed. I just, I just called my manager and I said, there must, there had to have been another actress in the, in this role because

Speaker 12 They said that there wasn't. They might have just been saying that to make me feel better.

Speaker 5 I wouldn't, I don't care.

Speaker 12 I mean, we all get jobs because someone else dropped out. That's how most people get their jobs.
So I'm not exactly sure why they waited till the last minute.

Speaker 12 And I was like, you guys, this is not how it's supposed to be done. You can't do it.

Speaker 12 I mean, because I wanted to, you know, I want to do my best work and really, you know, spend time with the material. So, I mean, there's something to be said for survival skills.

Speaker 12 And so I just dove in and made it my absolute 100% attention. And that's all I focused on for that time.
But, you know, you'd have to ask them how that came about. I'm not sure.
Okay.

Speaker 12 Because other people were cast ahead of time. So I don't know.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it was just kind of a fascinating. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Are you the type of actress that, like, after a scene, do you want to watch it back or do you trust the director to be like, got it?

Speaker 5 We're good.

Speaker 12 I think you're talking about maybe watching dailies at the end of the day, like everything that was filmed during that day. I don't watch them.

Speaker 12 Even when I'm producing something, I don't necessarily watch it because I know that I can be overly critical.

Speaker 12 I do trust that between the director and our producers and our editors, that they're going to, you know, come up with what's best for our storytelling.

Speaker 12 I'll go in there and I'll be like, wait a minute, my nose is crooked.

Speaker 5 You know, like, I'll start to look at things that like can't be changed no matter what, so it doesn't matter.

Speaker 12 And so I sort of trust the process with that. If I were in there directing or doing something, I would definitely, you know, of course I would definitely be.

Speaker 12 But if it's just me acting, I try to sort of just put down what I put down and trust it. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 How much do you reminisce about your madmen days? Obviously, like iconic show. Some people call it the best television show ever.

Speaker 12 Some people meaning you guys.

Speaker 2 And a lot of other people.

Speaker 2 But yeah, like when you're a part of something that special and that successful, like.

Speaker 2 What's your relationship with the show?

Speaker 12 And, you know, whether it's, you know, it gets streamed on AMC or you see it or how do you yeah like I haven't watched it in a really really long time and I think it might be nice I might be ready to re-watch it I watched it when it was on at the time the thing is I don't have to reminisce very often it's very present still in people's lives oh yeah the way that people can stream now I mean there's a whole new audience seeing it a lot of people are re-watching it a lot of people re-watched it during covid yeah and then that's already been five years and people are like oh i watched it during covid now i'm watching it for my third time around And then there's some people who are just hearing about it and watching it for the first time.

Speaker 12 And I think something about the fact that it was a period piece,

Speaker 12 it's timeless. You don't, you're not going to go back and go, oh, that feels very 10 years ago, you know, because it's really flip phones.

Speaker 5 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 Like

Speaker 12 even when you watched it originally, it was, it was, it was out of time. So that's kind of a great thing for us.
So I would say like daily people come up and bring it up.

Speaker 12 So it's not sort of, I have to go like, oh, remember when I I was like, it's very much sort of people are like, still like,

Speaker 2 there's such a vibe to the show where like, I don't know, especially if you like that period and like it really puts you in a certain kind of mood. You know, there's very, it's very nostalgic.

Speaker 2 It's, it's, it's very sometimes you find various shows that like you just want to feel a certain type of feeling. And I, Mad Men's very good about that.

Speaker 12 How does it make you guys feel?

Speaker 2 Well, I always really like the fashion and things like that. And obviously there's a lot of like toxicity with some of the characters and how things were back then.
Slightly dangerous. Yeah.

Speaker 2 There's a cool coolness vibe to it, and there's like a style vibe. Like from a guy's standpoint, I've always really enjoyed it.
So like, yeah,

Speaker 2 that's always the vibe.

Speaker 12 I think that was one of the things is that, you know, for women, we enjoy fashion quite a bit.

Speaker 12 I'm not just saying all women enjoy fashion, but there was something about Mad Men that all of a sudden men felt like they had something to aesthetically strive to, whether it was the fashion or even just all of a sudden sudden decorating your home with mid-century, that became very, very popular again because it was sort of back in public eye again.

Speaker 12 It's not like we invented the 60s. It's just we brought it back and we did it in this very sort of sleek and stylish way.

Speaker 12 And so I think there was an element of, you know, acting a little bit bad that felt fun, you know, all the smoking and drinking and philandering felt naughty.

Speaker 12 And

Speaker 12 then things looked great. And you've got these, you know, these guys behaving sort of badly, but they look fabulous and they're in these great ties.

Speaker 12 And I mean, you would not believe how many people came up and said, oh, our office party was a madman party for years. And I was like, it's just like,

Speaker 2 you know, we can act a little bad at work. You know what I mean?

Speaker 12 So I think people enjoyed that for a very long time.

Speaker 2 Are there any projects out there or types of projects that

Speaker 2 you're looking to do or what would be like a dream type of project?

Speaker 12 I mean, I've always been really bad about planning. I never have sort of said, this is what I would like to be the next thing.

Speaker 12 Like this year, I have Small Town Big Story coming out, which is like a modern day Irish comedy.

Speaker 12 And we have Good American Family, which is a little bit psychological thriller, family drama, courtroom drama.

Speaker 12 And then I've got The Buccaneers, which is like a romantic Victorian period piece coming out in a month. So I feel so lucky that.

Speaker 12 I get to play in all these different fields and get to try things on and comedy here and drama here so i feel really lucky but i mean i've never done like a good old like meg ryan rom-com i would love to do something like that you know like i think that would be really fun you need to make more rom-coms yeah

Speaker 2 but like adult rom-coms yeah like a meg ryan like like a good you got male yeah great film exactly what a great film right

Speaker 2 i would love that underappreciated you know sleepy and white lotus by the way white lotus oh yeah

Speaker 2 honestly i feel like you would be a great character choice.

Speaker 11 See, this is what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 Truly.

Speaker 2 Put it out there. Hey, Mike, if you're listening to it.

Speaker 12 No, yeah, we're putting it out there along with every other actor.

Speaker 2 Me too.

Speaker 3 Did you meet your husband?

Speaker 12 How did I meet him? Well, I met him working together, although we didn't really know each other that well then.

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 12 it wasn't hot then. We were just friends.
In fact, I don't even think we spoke until near the end of the series. And then we shot it in Atlanta.
So then the whole show moved to Los Angeles.

Speaker 12 And so I didn't actually see him for for a couple of years after that.

Speaker 12 So we were friendly because we were into music and we had some of the other writers, we would all text each other like, have you heard of this band? Or have you heard this new song?

Speaker 12 And so we kind of were aware of each other through that. But it wasn't until a couple of years later.

Speaker 2 Who made the first move?

Speaker 12 Well, I texted him and I said, I'm coming to New York.

Speaker 12 I was going there to sell my apartment. And so we decided to meet at Barney's for lunch.
And so we went to Barney's and then there was, you know, a little flirtation going on there.

Speaker 12 And then and then during COVID, we were, you know, sort of having this long distance, you know, phone relationship and stuff. And he said, I think, I hear things are going to shut down.

Speaker 12 And I was like, well, you should get on a plane to come out and visit. Like, my show's not shutting down.

Speaker 2 But, and then two days later, it was like, wah, wah, wah, wah, the whole country shut down.

Speaker 12 And then he sort of came out and we realized that, you know, being around each other all the time was really excellent and fun.

Speaker 2 It's interesting how timelines because we kind of,

Speaker 2 you know, we were hanging out before COVID started. We were in New York when things were getting crazy, and then like she had spent a week with me.

Speaker 2 Like, COVID was the first time we spent like any length of time because she was living in Georgia.

Speaker 3 It is crazy, though, how I feel like COVID made some relationships.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 I got married right around the same time.

Speaker 12 Yeah, I know.

Speaker 2 You guys, oh my god, you're really on the hopefully things really work out for you.

Speaker 15 Yeah, I was like, I was like, What are you guys doing next?

Speaker 12 We're both renovating our homes at the same time.

Speaker 2 Oh, my gosh, best friends forever.

Speaker 3 Yeah, what is your plan next?

Speaker 2 Because we'll do this.

Speaker 15 You're like, I guess that's what we're doing.

Speaker 2 you're from the south born in born in the south well

Speaker 12 i was born in tennessee but yes the south but i don't have it i moved when i was a baby and then moved to georgia and was still a baby so i really feel like i grew up in oregon and idaho which is very west coast yeah yeah um so i do have uh family in the south in Georgia and South Carolina.

Speaker 12 So I definitely have a connection there and go back there. And sometimes when I get tired or tipsy, I get a little southern sounding.

Speaker 12 My father was in the Forest Service and he would apply to jobs in different states and move us to another state. And

Speaker 12 so we jumped around a lot. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Was there a point in like your childhood where y'all stopped jumping around or was it kind of like I'm in middle school here? I'm in middle school here.

Speaker 12 I'm yeah, it was it was sort of like every four or five years we were up and gone. So it was fairly consistent.

Speaker 12 And then right out of high school, I moved to New York City, and so I kept the moving around going. And now I've lived in Los Angeles since 97.

Speaker 2 Oh my gosh, it's time to go.

Speaker 12 Uh, it's the longest I've obviously lived anywhere in my entire life, more than half my life. And my mother's here, and my brother's here, and I've got amazing friends here.
So, this is home now.

Speaker 12 Yeah, yeah, yeah, awesome.

Speaker 2 Uh, well, this has been so much fun chatting with you. Congratulations on an amazing project.
Uh, for those of you who haven't watched it, I'm sure you've heard of it.

Speaker 2 You're probably already watching it, it but in case you haven't it's on hulu it's called good american family and it's awesome so check it out and thank you so much for joining us so much fun

Speaker 2 you'll have to come back and like talk yes and i want to see pictures next time i want like updated photos of the lake house i want to see the progress of everything and if for any reason whatsoever if you are promoting a project not promoting a project but if you like want to just come in here and talk with us about housewives or a tv show we will always love listen i got to bring my husband in too you have to bring him in.

Speaker 2 You have to do it. We would like to.

Speaker 2 He's the scholar. He's the scholar.

Speaker 2 We just love people with good, good hot takes when it comes to those shows. All right.

Speaker 5 I'll be back. All right.

Speaker 2 Thanks, guys.

Speaker 2 All right. Well, thanks for listening.
Thank you to our guests, Aaron and Abe, as well as Christina Hendrix. Don't forget tomorrow, a very explosive episode with Allie Luber for going deeper.

Speaker 2 And then on Thursday, the ladies of Disrespectfully, Katie and Dana, join us for Reality Recap. It's a big week.
We'll see you tomorrow. Bye-bye.