E985 - Sandy Returns To Spill Louis Tea, Below Deck w/ Fraser Olender and Bachelor In Paradise w/ Allyshia

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What's going on, everybody?

Welcome back to another episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition.

I am your host, Nick, joined by my wife.

How are you?

Welcome back.

Thanks.

I'm okay.

You know, hanging in there.

Just hanging in.

Day by day.

We're hanging in.

But we're doing all right.

We are doing all right.

And we just want to thank you all for sending all your well wishes and love and support but uh it's good to have you back thanks happy to be back we've got uh you know a packed week so i'm excited for everyone to hear what we've been doing we do have a packed week very excited about this week well you guys know that uh sandy joined us last week to uh share some tea on her experience on perfect match we got into the whole louie of it all louie and huda now uh

doing live streams And is it his living room?

In anybody's living room.

Oh, living room.

They're just live streaming like crazy.

Anyway,

the Perfect Match cast has their thoughts, feelings, and opinions about that relationship.

And Sandy stuck around to share those and everything about her relationship with Louis.

So she returns to the Vile Files for

part two of her interview, which is later this episode, which also means that Susie Evans returns as well because she was here during that whole experience.

We also have Alicia joins us from Bachelor in Paradise, fresh off of quitting because they knew they were going to to get fired.

Yeah.

I feel like, well, maybe this doesn't count in Bachelor in Paradise rules, but wouldn't you rather get fired because then you get severance than quit?

I've never thought about severance in my life because.

Not a quitter.

Not a quitter.

You never worried about getting fired.

Oh my God, I got fired from all of my jobs.

Yeah.

She's like, I love that severance bacteria.

My decision tree wasn't usually based off of like making pennies on the dollar from a job that I.

Yeah, yeah, that's fair.

I'm just thinking of it from Alicia's point of view.

Like, would you, if you quit on Bachelor, if you get fired off of Bachelor in Paradise, do they have to pay you out versus if you quit?

I just wonder what the contract looks like.

Yeah, it's buy.

Yeah, that's it.

It's just you get booted off that island.

And we also have Fraser Olander to pop our Below Deck cherry.

We do.

He's great.

It's really exciting.

I'm hyped.

Yeah.

You know that Below Deck is very popular in the Bravo world.

Oh, it's popping off.

It's popping off.

Season.

It's so good.

There is a Season.

Making waves.

We're making waves.

Well, we also have, very excited about this one.

Can't wait for y'all to listen to.

Tomorrow we have a very special going deeper.

James Gunt joins the show.

You might know him as the director-writer of Superman, also the director-writer of all the Guardians of the Galaxy movies.

He's the head of DC Studios, like one of the most powerful men in Hollywood.

And he's got a new show, Peacemaker.

I'm a massive fan of it.

It's an amazing show.

If you like

realism

and the comic book universe that has all the drama and laughs.

I also have to say, I'm like not the biggest comic book girly.

I'm not the biggest, like, oh, need to go see the new superhero movie, but it was such an interesting conversation.

And he just like getting into the brain of someone so successful, like writing and directing, like, the minds behind these massive franchises and movies is just so interesting.

He talks about his relationship with his wife.

He's He's like besties, obviously, with Bradley Cooper and Rocket Raccoon.

Like he just has so many fun stories that like.

Also, big Love Island fan.

Big Love Island fan.

Big reality TV fan.

Loves Traders.

Loves Love Island.

So we get into all that tomorrow with James.

I hope you check it out.

I'm sure you will.

I'm sure you will love it.

It's get into the mind of the movies all your kids and boyfriends and maybe even you want to watch.

But Peacemaker comes out Thursday.

It comes out on Thursday on HBO Max, and it is a great watch.

It's hilarious.

It's got everything you'd possibly want to watch in a TV show.

So James is with us tomorrow.

I hope you all check it out.

I'm sure you will.

It's a fantastic conversation.

We were honored to have him.

It was a lot of fun for Nellie and I to talk with James, and I hope you all enjoyed as much as we enjoyed talking with him.

It's an awesome interview.

And on Thursday, we have the, I guess, the winners of Perfect Match, Lucy and Daniel, join us for a he said she said conversation uh in reality recap they would not be interviewed together so that's the state of their relationship so they were not each other's perfect match well ultimately not not in the long run and not

they were deemed the perfect match and things have gotten to a point where they can't be in the same room well they also or virtually

oh i can't wait i was like the way they ended that with like and they're no longer together here's ad and ollie and i was like oh my god crazy how did ad and ollie win?

Honestly, I feel like so many people held that whole like Ollie, Justine, Justine was there.

I feel like it was fresh that I feel like they kind of held that against them because I don't understand either how Daniel and Lucy would have beat out Ollie and AD.

I know that like Daniel and Lucy were like together the whole time, but they didn't seem like they liked each other very much.

I was like, Adie and Ollie fought to get back together and to get closer.

I'm like, Lucy and...

Daniel fought because he just didn't like her very much.

Well, that is our week.

It's jam-packed.

I hope you all enjoy it as much as we.

I know know we're going to enjoy it because it's going to be wild.

What headlines do we have to get into before we get to Alicia?

Did you see that the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City season six trailer dropped?

I did not.

We were busy flying everywhere.

Oh my God.

Well, the huge news is that we do have an entire biophiles pop extra episode just getting into the Real Housewives of Salt Lake trailer.

The household really dominated that.

The household really,

we locked in.

We locked and loaded and any questions you may have about the trailer will be answered on violence

i'm excited to watch it we were too busy boarding and deboarding planes all weekend we love our southwest we do so no shame southwest has all the perks you know if you're in a if you're a regional travel traveler all the perks

do they still have those two free bags or did they they got rid of them they got rid of them so do they have all the perks and they have no tvs do they still have pistachios no they give you um like mustard mustard pretzels and oreo i like the pretzels

when it comes to regional travel they have options options.

It feels like first class if you're like their first four rows.

You know,

yeah.

You like that.

Your Wi-Fi is only $8.

Their Wi-Fi is only $8.

That's true.

Which, like, American or Delta sometimes is like $20.

And they often fly to airports, like the smaller airport in its respective city, which tends to be more convenient, which we love.

That is true.

I think my biggest issue with Southwest is you can get to those smaller airports, but you got to have a layover.

And I, when I'm flying to Florida, it's so hard to do that.

We have a lot of direct flight options for us.

Anyways, we had to, we did some boarding and de-boarding.

Like, you know, when you were about to get on a flight and then you sit down, you think you're about to take off.

They're like, sorry, something happened.

That happened twice.

No.

Yeah.

What are you going to do?

But we were also, this is also coming off the heels of it happened to us going to New York to like board and deboard.

So we were getting to New York like later than usual.

And yes, this is devastating news.

This was this is devastating news.

Something happened to Natalie on Thursday, which was not great.

Sorry, let me preference.

We had a very rough week last week.

Right.

And so at the end of the week, we flew to New York to interview James.

We had to drop off our daughter and our mother-in-law in our regional hub.

Our mother-in-law.

And we literally just dropped them off and then got back on a plane, flew to New York.

The exciting news was it was a Thursday.

And on Thursday, in case you're not...

Thursday in New York City, bourbon chicken.

that serves on its special every Thursday night bourbon chicken just for you not exactly and every time we go we're like well let's obviously schedule it so that we get there in time for bourbon chicken on Thursday night so our flight gets delayed we're like oh no like our reservation was at 10 p.m well no actually we were supposed to have a first our flight was like later and we weren't going to get into later and then I was like oh well that got delayed and we weren't going to get until very late.

And I said, well, what?

Maybe they have another flight southwest with a lot of options.

It does have a lot lot of options, famous.

I was like, oh, there's a 4.30.

Let's just jump on that.

So we had to really rush it, but we made it.

We were running, running, running, running, got to the gate, got on the plane, deboard, delayed.

I was like, oh, I don't know.

I don't know if we're going to make it.

But then we did make it, you know?

And then we got in at 10.30.

30 minutes past our reservations.

And we're like, hey, like, we're so sorry our plane was delayed.

Hostess is like, sorry, our kitchen's closed.

And we were like, what?

Like, is there anything you can do?

And she was like, let me go ask.

So she goes back and it was a very quick conversation.

So we were like, oh, no.

They told her and like, tell him to get the fuck out.

She comes back and she's like, we can seat you.

Okay, great.

So we sit down and we're like, yeah.

Yeah.

And the server comes over.

We're like, we can order right away.

Like, you know, we're so sorry.

And like, we know exactly what we want.

He's like, no, no, no, take your time.

Kitchen's open for a while.

We were like, okay.

Sure, we'll take our time then.

Meanwhile, the hostess is literally packing up.

She's packing her bags.

Yeah.

She's fine.

She said, I'm out of here.

She's been working since 1 p.m.

Yeah, she was done.

The kitchen was closed in her mind.

It was.

And so then he, where I'm like, okay, well, I'm going to get the Greek chopped.

But at this moment, we're just like, we've been through so much just to be here in this moment.

We made it.

We made it.

Yeah.

Got to savor it.

Yeah.

So I'm like, let me get that Greek chopped.

He's like, okay, amazing.

I'm like, should we just order everything?

And he's like, I guess so.

I'm like, okay, and I'm going to do that bourbon chicken.

And he was like, oh, it's off our menu.

And I was like, what do you mean?

Gone.

And he was like, yeah, you must must not have been here for a while.

We redid our specials.

And so I look at it.

Bolognese is its replacement.

Weren't you just there?

Literally, that's what I said.

I'm like, no, it hasn't been that long.

Like, I was just here.

Like, why would you, why would you replace it?

He's like, you just did like a menu refresh.

Who asked you to do that?

Why are you like, why do you need to take things off to do a menu refresh?

You can just add.

Replace it with meat sauce and pasta?

It's literally just add.

Like if a Cheesecake Factory can have a hundred page menu like so can american bar i guarantee you the chef still knows how to make that bourbon cheesecake and i'm sure y'all have some leftover you know like there's still some rice sitting around somewhere yeah and so now i mean i was gut wrenched i was like huh it's gone like not enough it's all i wanted he's like i'm so sorry so I had to settle for Bolognese for the

Bologna.

It was a delicious Bologna.

It was still delicious.

But I just, I was, yeah.

But American Bar, if you're listening, if anyone has ever.

Bring it back.

Bring it back.

And what's crazy is that I got a DM from someone and they were like, it was like a Wednesday night, and they had sent me a picture of the American Bar menu.

And they were like, oh, your bourbon chicken isn't here.

And I was like, oh, silly.

Like, because it's a Wednesday.

And no, she was literally telling me.

She's like.

Because they do have on their menu their weekly specials.

Right.

Yeah.

Oh.

R.I.P.

Bourbon chicken.

RIP bourbon chicken.

Bring it up.

American Bar, if you're listening.

There's a petition.

Be starting right now.

You're overthinking it.

Yeah.

Refresh it again.

Re-refresh.

Like, just add a man's menu

under the other entree.

Yeah.

If it's a chicken.

It's a chicken meal.

Yeah.

It's not that hard.

He's going to get ordered.

Like, bourbon chicken is like one of the things you go to a restaurant.

You're like, I don't even need to think.

I don't even need to think.

That was me.

I was like, I don't even need to read the menu.

Why would you make people think at a restaurant?

No, it was cruel.

And then, you know, who walked in?

Who?

Zoe from Bachelor in Paradise.

Oh, stop it.

Yeah, she's on a hot date.

She was on a hot date.

Did she say hi?

We did.

We did.

Yeah.

Wasn't sure if she was going to be like, I don't even know if she, she might not.

We're like, she might not be online.

We know we, she, I don't know.

She walked over.

She was like, why haven't you had me on your podcast?

Love, love that.

And she, yeah, she definitely had a lot to say.

She had a lot to say.

So we told her we'd have her on.

I was going to say, can we put a mic in front of her?

We told her we'd have to get it approved.

She made it seem like that might not happen.

Oh, I guess she's been.

Tea.

Yeah.

But we told her we'd ask.

She said a lot.

She said a lot.

Well, I need the tea from Zoe.

So, all right.

Well, Sierra, what are our headlines?

Alan Cummings has revealed that there will be a civilian version of the Traitors.

I feel like maybe this mom should be on.

She's

going to be a little bit more through so much.

Faithful.

Faithful for sure.

And maybe her three-year-old can join her.

I don't know.

I'm into it.

I'm into it too.

I actually, I got it.

That's how it started.

I want to go on.

Yeah.

The UK had a civilian version version first or actually wasn't season one a combo of of the normies uh-huh and the and the

superstars I think all of UK traders is civilians yeah not all I don't I think

they're starting the celebrity version now but yeah I mean he makes a good point with uh like the said the celebrity contestants who come on the show are very very wealthy and do the show for other reasons but the prize money will make more of a difference in people's lives for everyday people so that will raise stakes yeah like i'm like there are some things that i i wouldn't do but you put money in front of them in front of them and i'm like all right let's hop over cages and let's do all of these things and maybe get injured i wonder if peacock will like

given that they're assuming that the people they cast need whatever amount of money more than the reality tv stars they're casting which i don't know if it's a safe assumption i think there's a lot of reality tv stars out there who are bad with their money but that aside i wonder if they'll like do some fucked up shit knowing that it's like oh they need the money you know like really put them in some real i don't know know i don't know nothing really tops the like dumping of crickets and maggots and like whatnot where i'm like that for me i'd be like all right i'm out so i'm like what else are we gonna eat be laying in a bed of snakes like you know what i mean like i'm just like it's giving fear factor okay it is giving fear factor sierra would you want to be a traitor or faithful i actually think i would want to be a traitor I feel like my disposition gives faithful and then I would get like a little flustered.

I could probably be like, no.

Yeah, I feel like I would have to be a faithful or else I would go

home first.

Yeah.

Well, we do have Andy Cohen talking about the Love Island Reunion that was filmed, and

he did tell everyone that we will see the heart rate challenge in its entirety.

Which I'm excited to see.

I'm excited for, honestly, both of them to be held.

I mean, like, you know, Ace was enjoying that just as much as Huda was enjoying it.

I can't wait.

I hear the reunion was very good.

Yeah.

Do you think, is it one part or do you think we'll actually get like multiple parts this time?

Oh, I hope it's.

I couldn't imagine they turned around the last one like really quickly, didn't they?

And I find that

still.

I just think that's a good question.

They haven't announced those two parts.

I feel like there's too many people that I'm just like, we never really get to see some of them talk.

So I'm like, I don't know why you bring everybody back if we're not going to ask them questions that

last year, did we have everyone from CASA?

We had like everyone from CASA, but like I think Daya was the only one that really talked.

And even she came on being like, they didn't ask me any questions.

I don't know why I was sitting there.

the one that was like with cordell yeah yeah yeah so

i'm like curious where i'm like i would love a two-part reunion and actually get all of the tea but we'll find out we'll find out beva thorne is engaged again is she explain this to me so fans are criticizing her right now because she proposed to her fiancé two years after he proposed So she set up like flowers and candles, the whole thing.

Three years ago, we met.

One year later, he proposed.

Now one year later, so did I.

And so she did get on one knee filmed him from all different reactions wait is it is it a do you still want to marry me or is it will you marry me uh

could i propose to you and us have like a second wedding no

but it's that was true though but it's different it would be different that's what i'm asking is it different

i mean i i maybe she just really wanted him to wear a ring she was like it's not fair that you know there's some people out there who are like it's not fair that only i have to wear a ring Like, he should also have to wear a ring.

That is interesting that a man doesn't have to wear an engagement ring.

I kind of agree with that, too.

The double standard where I'm like, I'm here for it because I'm spoken for it.

But it's kind of like the same thing with the bachelor party, bachelorette party.

Like, what do you mean?

It's your last hurrah as a single person.

We've been together for five years.

Y'all are acting like somehow

we want this.

You want what?

Mary's like, I can't believe men got away with not wearing a ring.

You want to put jewelry on your fingers.

You came up with an idea for us to buy you some shit.

Yeah, I was going to say, I do like all of, I do like the ring.

I was going to say it's giving Jason from the valley, but I do like the stack.

But I do, and, and, I mean, Nick has a stack now, but it's,

but I do feel like that would have been weird if every man is like, just like, what has to, an engagement band and a wedding band.

But I mean, like, I guess.

Is she gonna, like, I wonder if Belle's gonna get him another ring for their actual ceremony?

Or like, is it more like, like all right take that one off

and put it back on how do we feel about the ladies proposing I mean listen we have to do so much doesn't bother me no we have to do so much other shit don't make me plan a fucking engagement too you know like I'm already working on the what you proposed to me two years ago and I'm still planning the wedding the last thing I need to also plan is how to propose to you yeah no no no I'm a I'm a passenger princess in all aspects in any way that I can be because I try to do everything for myself.

The last thing I need to do is plan your engagement, let alone imagine me trying to top Connor.

Like, let me fly to where to propose to you.

Also, you're going to get a

reaction.

We're instantly in a fight.

Why are you not so excited that I'm proposing to you?

Yeah.

This is like destined for failure from all sides.

I need you to drop to your knees.

I need you to be sobbing, wiping the tears.

His reaction.

And if you got the reaction that you thought you wanted, immediate ick.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like, why are you crying?

Stop crying.

Like,

yes, yes.

Can we clip that?

Please don't.

See?

Could you imagine?

If I was like, ah!

Clip that too.

And I was like, oh my God.

Oh, my God.

Your wife's contemplating a lot of stuff right now.

Yeah.

I don't, I feel like his reaction was just like, yeah, yeah.

Do we have male reactions to is this?

Oh, see, he's doing it.

He's on her Instagram.

He's being a little diva.

The video.

It looks like a Valentine's Day celebrations.

I don't know.

I like, I don't feel any certain type of way about the woman proposing, but I don't get doing it twice.

Like, you already know what the answer is.

Like, you already

did it.

Yeah.

You know, it just seems a bit.

I did see a video montage this weekend about men in 2025, and it's just a video montage of couples where women are like carrying the luggage and holding the umbrellas for the guys and opening the car doors.

Is that what it's really like out there these days?

It couldn't be me.

It's but I feel like it's honestly, yeah, I feel like every time I see, I mean, there was like a, I'm pretty sure it was Molly Mae and Tommy Fury, like leaving an airport and she has like her hands so full.

He's got one duffel bag.

She's like pushing a stroller, holding the baby, has two like suitcases back to back and he's just like, doesn't give a fuck.

Honestly, if you have a child,

if I carry that child for nine months, like you can carry the bags for the rest of our life yeah and the baby outside 100 and the baby i prefer to be carrying everything at an airport yeah that's just because nick moves faster than me he said get there by the time that you're talking to the desk he's already changed like if you walk that slow and you're carrying the bags like we'll never get there on time well is a slow man also like physically walking slow um and

probably yeah

if you're slower than me yeah then yeah um had always called me pokey though i've always been slow my family used to call me Sid the Sloth because I would walk so slow, but it was because I was a child carrying a bunch of beach chairs back from the beach.

And they were like, why are you going really slow?

And I was like, because I'm six.

Yeah.

Is Darit and Piquet back together?

Yes, that's the photo.

Wait, look at the photo.

Like, why doesn't he have his other, that, that sequence in his other hand?

I don't know.

Even the security is helping.

It's crazy.

And she's trying to like cover her child from the paparazzi.

He like literally doesn't give a fuck.

Have you seen that?

There's a video um of like this mime it at like a i know stay stick with me um at like a like a i've seen that some sort of attraction or whatever he's like gets the crowd hyped and people will walk by and it was a man and a woman and their baby and she has the backpack she has the child and he and and the stroller and he stops them and is like no no no no no oh at the zoo yeah takes off he goes no no no hands the look at points at the baby points at him and like hands the kid over then like takes off her backpack puts the backpack on him hands him the stroller and is like okay be on your way and the whole crowd starts like applauding because it was just like are you joking yeah I will say hate to break it but I did also see a video of that very mime there was like a girl with an off the shoulder like shirt and then he like pulled it up pulled it up and that I didn't like that very much so it seems like the mime has

some conflated feelings.

How do you know it was the same mime?

I mean, it looked like the same mime.

Unless there are a lot of mimes like trying to help the girls out, which I didn't know was a thing.

Well, we do have Alicia here.

Should we bring her in and get into the Bachelor in Paradise?

Let's do it.

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So it is Alicia.

Because

Sean, like, I felt like he was like, oh, Sean says it really well.

You put some like, you put some south emphasis in.

So you prefer the extra enunciation.

If I like you, then I prefer it.

If I just don't have, if I feel like

them taking the time.

Yeah.

yeah i don't like to make people feel bad about getting my name wrong oftentimes so i'll kind of just answer to have you been correcting people your whole life yes all the time at the college parties what's your name it's alicia it's alicia what i get a lot

what i get a lot of times is people look at me and they're like they see my name on paper alicia the way it's spelt and then the last name gupta and they see me and they're like wait you're not who was meant to show up today like you don't look like alicia gupta whatsoever so that's really what my life struggle has been, Nick.

Gupta?

What's that?

What's Indian?

Oh, it is.

Yeah.

My dad's Indian.

Oh, wow.

Mm-hmm.

Judge our book by its cover.

Period.

No, you cannot.

No, you cannot.

Oh, welcome to the show, Alicia.

Alicia.

We're so excited to have you.

This was,

you had quite the run.

It's been a good time.

It was a good season.

I had fun.

Well, I want to start by saying, I don't know what the fuck Andrew was talking about because he was like...

He really hyped up Sean of being like Sean's the worst villain in reality TV.

No, I think he said the best villain, best, worst either way.

Same difference, yeah.

Same difference.

Yeah, I will hardly.

I don't think Sean's the villain whatsoever, personally.

He was just politicking.

Sean was a very failed politician on Paradise.

Let's be honest.

He didn't have a bad bone in his body.

And for me, I would rather know where I stand with someone and you tell me to my face than stab me behind my back.

Yeah.

So, victim, in my opinion, are the people who were silent and didn't say anything to Bailey

when they knew for the record.

Knew about Susie.

Susie, I want to get it clear for everybody listening.

Me, Bailey, and Leia were the only people who didn't know.

You didn't know.

I had no idea.

Me and Bailey are good friends.

Like, had I known, that's the first thing I would have said to Bailey.

I find out everybody knows about this from Sean.

And I'm like, wait, all the guys know about this?

No, all the girls and the guys know about this.

All the girls know about this?

Yeah.

For weeks and nobody said anything.

So for me, I was like, they're girls' girls or not girls' girls.

That's not a girl's girl.

I can't keep up.

Well, I know, I know.

I'm just wondering what they were saying.

Well, we talked to Andrew and he, you know,

tried to defend Alex in the sense that I guess she was closer with Jeremy.

He also said she like, she just doesn't like conflict.

Yeah.

Which I guess.

Which I guess watching it

before

you came in, I guess I thought, yeah, Alex and her and Parisa were like the best of friends.

They, because we were.

Like, these were real friendships we had on the outside, and like, these are conversations and girls we like FaceTime on the regular.

So, going into it, I was like, when I saw my girls from my season, I was like, heck yeah, not only are they familiar faces, these are actually girls who like I ride for on the outside and I know have my backs.

Did you like have a conversation with Bailey once you knew and was like, what the fuck were you?

Yeah, my, my biggest concern was for Bailey, obviously.

And I said to her, like, if I was in your position right now, I would be feeling so jaded, not because of just what's transpiring with Jeremy, of course, that's its own

parcel to deal with, but just as a woman, feeling like none of my friends would tell me this.

And then to feel like the joke's on you and everybody's been walking around for weeks knowing something and just hiding it from you, I would be.

Like, who can you trust?

So the first thing, yeah, that I did when I knew this was all going down was went up to Bailey Bailey and said, like, hey, I want you to know if there's no one else you can trust in this house, you can trust me.

If I had known, this would not have gone on for as long as it did.

I understand that Alex doesn't like to get into drama and I can respect that.

She was friends with Jeremy, but I think the right thing to do would say, hey, Jeremy, tell Bailey.

And if you don't, I am.

You know, like really, I think you, you can stay out of the drama by encouraging.

It's a weird thing to be like, listen,

I have your back no matter what.

One thing though like i just

i don't like conflict like of any kind so

i won't tell you what so like i don't like if it's talking about you behind your back but like other than that i totally got your back like it like

just know that i'm your ride or die through thick and thin but like if there is a little bit of uncomfiness like i'll probably keep it to myself yeah that's yeah you're spot on with

do you do you know who voted you and sean off because ultimately before y'all decided to leave y'all were the second couple Yeah, you kind of did the I quit, you can't fire me.

Yep.

Yeah, hey.

Which actually, like, then you're not paid severance.

So like, jokes on you.

But

no, so that, okay, let me give some context to this.

I obviously am close friends with Bailey and Alex, right?

And Priest are from my season.

Priest and I are roommates.

Bailey and Alex are roommates.

We're getting ready for the rose ceremony.

I didn't think that Sean and I were going to make it because I was the last one in.

We are one of the newer relationships.

I was just there enjoying our time together and enjoying the fact that like we had these fun challenges.

So immediately you were like, when you guys found out how things were about to go down when Jesse, I don't know, through a walkie, through Nottawaki, he's like, two couples are going home.

You immediately were kind of like, okay, this is our time.

No, no, because at this point, there's two couples that were still totally platonic there, which were Leia and Jonathan

and also Kathy and Keith.

And so in my mind, All the conversations that had occurred up until this point, everyone was on the same page of until we have to vote off couples in real relationships, we're going to vote off the people who are in platonic relationships.

That's how we all felt.

And I thought that was a very shared feeling.

Now looking back at it, I walked into Alex and Bailey's room thinking I was going to go have girl chat and a champagne with them before, you know, the cocktail hour.

And I walked in on them talking about sending me and Sean home.

So what did you hear when you walked in?

So also I walked in with a freaking Bailey's skirt around me and a laboo boo like a jackass, okay, which is like even worse.

And then I walked in and I just heard them saying something like,

and Sean and Alicia's name, and like in the context of going home.

And I was like, all right, are we going to talk about this?

You guys, like, I was really upset.

And I was this after you went up to Bailey and said, if you can trust anyone, it's me.

This was, yes, this was after.

This was after,

which was surprising.

But I don't care if we were voted off.

And I said to them, listen, it's going to get to the point that we're going to have to vote for friends.

And I'm never going to hold it against you that we're going to have to do that.

However, say to my face say to my face that for for our names to be circulating the night of people going home and your two closest friends in there aren't even going to give you a heads up you have to walk in the room to them talking about it it's crazy i mean the fact that when was um

when

I guess it was when Jeremy and Bailey won that first challenge and like Dale went straight up to Brian and was like, hey, I'm going to let you know, like your name's floating around.

So I don't know what you need to do.

But like, you know, and they weren't even like, you know, the fact that Dale could do that for brian exactly all the boys were really good about having the guys backs and i think there was a disconnect with um the women that was a conversation we also had when the susie drama came out i sat the women down at the table and i was like guys we need to have each other's backs like the guys all have their backs they're you know relaying the information that the conversations that are being had in in secret or in private like why aren't we doing that as women instead all the girls are going to their guys and like whispering and they're on the guy's side it's like you've just met this guy you know me i'm your girlfriend like why why don't you have my back you're so quick to believe the guy that you've just coupled up with and i'm the one being thrown under the bus like i i felt

i was surprised i was really really surprised and i couldn't believe it especially after what had just transpired and occurred with the susie and the bailey drama like it was happening again we've interviewed bailey a couple weeks ago this was right after um jeremy posted that he was also in portugal yeah yeah

spiral art yeah uh she um you know it was like she answered like a woman who was clearly dating this guy and very much wanted to have his back.

So much so that it was like, even if you are dating him, can't you just at least hold him accountable for how he handled himself?

It's not a fireable offense.

Yeah, they could have like worked on it and moved on by now.

She just, she really covered for the guy in a way that kind of just felt like, really?

You're just not even going to acknowledge.

Totally.

And as a friend, I'm sitting here like, you're doing this for someone you've just met who's proven you really probably can't trust them.

And then, you know, your girlfriend who has only been there for you, I would never vote against Bailey.

I would never vote against my friends.

And I've only shown her that was like really, really surprising.

And it was hurting.

And I think that's where the emotional upset came from me.

And like, I was totally worn down because I felt like I couldn't trust my girlfriends there.

And then also Sean, I felt like super unheard by.

I thought he respected my opinion, which was earlier pulling him aside.

And I was like, like, stop campaigning.

This is not going.

I see what you're trying to do.

And he really was enjoying the strategy.

And I'm all for that.

Play the game.

But you're putting people.

And I would also, I told him, I'm like, I would be put off if somebody else was approaching me the way you were.

Like, you just need to chill out.

You're coming across wrong.

And he's like, I totally hear you.

I respect you.

I'm going to cool down.

And then I walked in on him.

literally campaigning, propping propaganda to Spencer that night.

And I was just like, I had had it.

Yeah.

What was his big argument?

I don't think he had any big argument.

I think the big argument was just, you wanted to start talking strategy with everyone in the house

at this point.

He wants Spencer and Jess out because he thought they were the strongest in to win.

That was not something that were they safe or something.

Yeah, they were.

I don't understand.

They won.

So they were never going to leave.

That was never on the table.

Sean.

was concerned that Spencer and Jess, we all know Spencer and Jess were the strongest couple at that point.

And Sean was trying to be three steps ahead and think Leia

and

Jess and Kat were all good friends from their season.

So with them being in the power position, we know those people are probably, those women were probably safe.

So I think Sean was just trying to gauge where everybody's allegiances were at this point in the game, because it was the first time that we had to start thinking about, okay, if this happens this week, if this person wins this week, like who's on the chopping block?

I mean, obviously it's Bachelor Paradise is just a game but i'm like at the same time it obviously made you second guess your friendships in the real world like where does that leave your friendships with bayley and alex today

oh i love the big sigh that's a good question i

left paradise saying i would like to watch everything back before i really decide um where those friendships stand.

I think the truth always comes out.

And luckily in this situation, we were mic'd up and had cameras on us the whole time.

So I'm like, listen, it's all going to come out in the wash.

Before I

step to anybody's defense and, you know, back the wrong horse again, I wanted to see how it played out and where everybody voted.

And I don't know really how it panned out that night, but I do know that I've seen enough that, you know, people I consider my real friends are people who have my back and stand up for me in a room that I'm not there.

And I don't think that was everybody on the show.

And I think when money comes into it, people's true colors come out.

And I think a lot of people also were not avoiding drama and staying out of it because they were not confrontational people, but because they knew they ran the risk of putting themselves under the bus.

And it was easy.

The second somebody else was on the hot seat, it was like everybody wanted to jump on that bus and get Brian's bad, Brian's bad, Brian's bad.

Wait, what?

Okay, Kat, you look so bad because you're best friends with Bailey and didn't say anything.

Alex, you too.

And now you want to pile up on somebody else

because

you're deflecting.

Yeah.

They know they're in the middle.

That's the have you really, have you not talked to them much?

I've spoken to, I have spoken to them.

I've checked in with Bailey just to make sure she's okay.

And I can control what other people do.

I can control what I do.

And I subscribe to that.

So I want to go to bed and live with myself, knowing I'm a good person and a good friend.

And regardless of how they treated me, I'm going to show up for them.

So yeah, I texted Bailey when everything was airing and there was things that were, you know, I didn't know the extent of this Susie drama.

So just followed up with her and made sure she was good.

And she did seem like she was in a good place.

And she or Alex, I mean, I guess ultimately or Parisa, because I guess we don't know how she voted, but have any of them apologized to you?

They all apologized to me that night.

That was a conversation that was cut a little short.

I sat them down and just said, like, essentially,

what we are talking about, if you're going to bring my name up and send me home, just do it to my face.

Let's just have these conversations like adults.

We're all friends.

You know, we can approach each other with this the same way.

We've made that mistake not approaching Bailey with it.

Let's not do it again.

But I guess watching it back,

you still were, you know.

Yeah.

So they apologized and cried, and they were like, you know, we wouldn't do that to you.

We love you, blah, blah, blah.

We'd never vote against you.

And so we left it.

I said, okay, don't prove me wrong.

We're going to watch this back and we'll see.

Don't prove me wrong.

I hope you're telling me the truth, but in time, we'll see.

You know, I think that was the luxury of this situation was in less than a month, I was going to find out who was telling the truth.

And what did you see?

I saw a lot of easy way outs, in my opinion, people who just, I think, either stayed out of it because they didn't want to get their hands dirty or didn't stand up for the right side.

And I think if you're not going to stand up for the right thing, you fall into the category of being on the wrong side.

Who do you think didn't stand up for the right thing?

I would say majority of the people in paradise at that point who knew about Susie and Jeremy didn't do the right thing.

I think the boys were crazy with the bro code that they were saying.

I get it.

So I would say more of the blame in my eyes does fall on to the women there because I think at the end of the day, men come and go.

We've seen boyfriends come and go.

Women, especially as adult women, those are the relationships that you carry with you for life.

And those are the people you call when the guys break your heart and you find out they've been calling their ex-girlfriends behind your back.

Right.

So my questions really do kind of all fall to them as to why nobody brought it up earlier.

My experience when it comes to this show, I always tell people who come off the show, give it a year.

And if you're still friends with that person, then maybe it's an actual friendship because most of these friendships off of reality TV are very,

it's really hard to know what's real or what's not real.

They're very self-serving.

A lot of people people are friends or not friends with people based off of their popularity or their edit, you know, things like that.

Given that, now that you are more removed from obviously Paradise and then your time on The Bachelor, do you see yourself actually being friends with Bailey, Alex, or any or Kat or these other women?

Or do you think what you got to experience on Paradise is more in line with probably their true colors rather than the friendships that you thought you had with him prior to going into paradise?

That's a good question.

Thank you.

I, without a doubt, have carried friendships from that experience.

Parisa will be a friend for life and has been a friend for life.

She had my back that whole experience.

And Brian also is one of those people who I have a lot of respect for.

And

you fuck with Brian.

I fuck with Brian hard.

Yeah.

Tell us why.

I think he has balls.

I think he did the right thing.

And I think, you know, people were kind of whispering, well, was he doing this just to save himself?

He did it right before a row ceremony.

Nobody would do that.

It's not in his best interest.

He really did want Bailey to know.

And I think Brian's just got a good head on his shoulders.

I don't think that he has bad intentions.

And he always had my back in there.

Why did you think watching back some of those conversations he had with Parisa where he was a little snappy?

Yeah.

Well, I knew about those before watching them back because I was Paris's roommate.

So she'd come in in tears or upset or, you know, cry.

Yeah, oftentimes being like, I don't know what I do.

I just had to ask his favorite color.

And like, he's, I know she's crying.

And like, we're kind of doing damage control.

And I think really it boils down to they're just different characters.

And I think that's all the process of getting to know each other when you're put in an incubator like paradise where all you have is you're constantly around people.

Like things boil over.

So I wasn't surprised to see Brian shutting down because I was privy to that before.

But I was surprised to, I think I was surprised to see Pries's like side of things, right?

Like the conversation they have late at night that are just between the two of them.

Those were like really progressive conversations.

And I think those made them seem like more of a couple than maybe the surface level ones where he shut down because it was a long day and you're dancing and you got feathers up your ass and all sorts.

Okay.

You.

mentioned that you thought if you had gotten to paradise earlier, you would have been coupled up with Dale.

yeah thanks for bringing that up and Sean had an interesting response to that on his Instagram he posted a little picture of you yeah with a money bag over her head it was a nice little AI edit for me yeah um

the thoughts are so let me just start off what he post a picture of him giving Alicia the rose and then a sack of money

over her head

I guess saying that like she was only there for the money I don't or I took it as

he was only coupled up with me for the money oh or he was only coupled with me.

But hey, there's that take.

I guess I don't know.

He should have been more specific.

Seriously,

Sean and I have like very good banter and a good friendship at the foundation of everything.

So I take, I think, let things roll off my back.

That didn't really bother me.

I thought it was funny.

It's Sean's personality.

Also, if you want to dig your own grave, be my guest.

I'm not going to stop you.

Here's the shovel.

But going back to the coupling up comment, let me just say, I am unhealthily obsessed with Love island i have been for a very long time okay i was born in london went to school in london and i was on the love island game decades ago so when i said couple up i was referring to like coupled up like in love island you know you go off just physicality at first dale is physically my type versus blonde blue eyes like i like dark hair dark eyes that fit the bill dale fit the bill and we did have an initial spark in chemistry.

So yes, had I gone in day one, I do think I would have explored getting to know him more and initially potentially would have coupled up to explore that.

I don't mean that we would have ended up together or he honestly seemed super into you.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So I, I, I'd concur.

It just seemed like Kat wasn't going to let that, you know.

And that's also fine.

I think, you know, to be honest, I think birds of a feather flock together.

And I was put off a little bit by Dale because of the person who he was with, who I really didn't see eye to eye with on a lot of things.

So you don't fuck with Kat.

I wouldn't pick Kat as somebody I hang around with in my free time.

No, I think we're very different.

And I don't mean that as a knock to her.

I just think we're very different.

Not your kind.

Not my cup of tea.

And I'm sure I'm not her cup of tea.

That's fine.

Yeah, we're we

for a friendship level.

Sure.

Somebody who's calm, somebody who doesn't make big deals out of everything.

Like we see the fast forward preview to the next episode, you know, they do some camping out and there's bugs and tents.

Like I'm the person who's catching the spiders and like naming them with Parisa.

I don't freak out and, you know, the screaming.

I think people think pageant girl and maybe because like I like doing my hair and makeup, like I'm not somebody who's willing to get dirty.

Like I really like high adrenaline things.

I'd love to do the four-wheeling date.

I like down-to-earth people and I have a lot of respect for people who are just honest and you see what you get.

And I think that's where the disconnect with Kat is.

She's not an honest person.

She doesn't tell the truth.

And she was caught in a lie many times.

And that's something that for me is like the bare minimum is I want an honest, truthful friend.

What do you think she wasn't telling the truth about?

She wasn't telling the truth about a lot of stuff.

Like

a boyfriend.

Yeah.

I mean, so for one, Kat used to live in Tampa.

Me and Sean both live in Tampa.

It's a small

community.

We know the people who you date, who you hang out with.

So she spent holidays with Sean.

Like her mom was texting Sean, hey, how are you guys?

So glad you have each other on paradise together.

Like, oh, wait, so the

first time we're friends.

No, Nick.

I didn't like watching it.

Like, it made Sean look a little thirsty.

This, I, I felt like I was in the Twilight Zone because, so I come in and I've seen how Kat, first and foremost, like, I go off how people talk to other people, right?

How would you treat the maids who have not who who are you and no ones when the cameras aren't on?

I didn't love the way she spoke to some people.

That was my own.

So I kind of, we just steered clear of each other.

Whatever.

Let bygones be bygones.

Every single night when Sean and I would have these private conversations, if her name ever got brought up, he would just, all he had to say about her were the nicest things to me.

Like, you really have to give her a chance.

She's a really, she's just misunderstood.

Like, she's got a good heart.

I really know her well, blah, blah, blah.

You always had her back.

And I'm like, I hope I'm wrong.

I hope I'm wrong.

And I kept saying to him, I don't think that, I think she would throw you under the bus the second she has a shot.

And so, of course, the night unfolds.

And I'm stood in a group of girls.

It was like me, Parisa, Kat, someone else.

And yeah, Kat tried to deny being his friend.

I'm like, you're going to sit here and say you aren't friends with Sean after everything I've had to like bite my tongue.

It's so annoying when the guy you like is like sticking up for the girl who you kind of like don't.

But I was like, okay, I do trust Sean.

I think he has a good judge of character.

So I really was trying to give her the benefit of the doubt.

And then when that happened, I just felt so vindicated.

And I was like, I told you, Sean.

I told you since day one.

I was right about it.

That's crazy.

And then she went back telling all the guys that he cursed her out, that no guy should still be there who talks to women that disrespectfully, blah, blah, blah.

And all the guys believed it because of, I think, the reputation Sean had kind of built himself up until that point.

And I was now in the crosshairs and I think a casualty of that war between Kat and Sean.

But to me, yeah, that goes back to like, you don't have your friends back.

in the moment because Sean started getting a bad rap.

All of a sudden, I don't know him.

I'm not his friend.

That's not, I'm not that type of a person.

And I really don't like it.

I can't imagine, like, if when I went on paradise, if Ashley, I just was like, I'm barely even friends with her.

Oh, no, after you spend holidays together, and her ex-boyfriend, ex-boyfriend, who was her current boyfriend.

So, Sean and I leave.

Spoiler.

We have a conversation with his friend, Sean's best friend, who was her boyfriend at the time, telling he's like, you won't believe who ended up screwing me over in all of this.

And, you know, he fills us in.

She's been sending him love letters since the day one in paradise.

She snuck her iPad in.

She was sending him things to get him through.

Like, this will last you till I get back out of paradise.

And like, that's crazy.

And Sean sat on that and defended her, knowing that, because he was his friend.

So when she tried to deny that, that's when I was like, listen, oh, shit's like, we're burning shit to the ground now.

We ran into someone.

We ran into Zoe.

We already talked about it earlier.

Oh, Zoe told me she ran into you.

I was just in New York too this past weekend.

She saw you.

Yeah.

She had some things to say about Kat.

Interesting.

She had some things to say.

Was she writing messages on her?

On her iPad.

So apparently she brought her, stuck an iPad because they take our electronics away, obviously, you know, right?

She somehow snuck an iPad.

I heard that she wrote some messages on her arm for I was like hoping the camera would like catch it.

For Dale?

No, for Dale.

For her boyfriend?

Yeah.

Oh, I don't know.

There's some of that stuff I really don't know.

I will say on the cat note, I just, after watching this episode, I think she's going to have enough heat to deal with.

I don't want to compound on that or pile on.

I don't want to be

a girl who's just ratting on another girl.

Like that, I really don't want to be that person.

I don't know.

I think Kat's going to do what Kat does best, which is deny, lie, cry.

It's what I, that's what I call.

I mean, hey, Dr.

Zeus.

You like that?

I'm going to, I'm going to coin that actually.

DLC.

But she does.

I think that's what she'll do.

I think people, when you're in the hot seat and your back's against the corner, you point fingers at other people.

And I would imagine she does that.

I don't, I don't know.

I think she's also upset at the comment I made about coupling up with Dale, which I'm not sure why.

I told everyone since the second I got in there, her included.

She was the first person I had that conversation with.

I was interested in getting to know Sean and Dale, period.

That's okay.

We're on a show where you're meant to date other people.

I will say there was a moment, I think it was that day that you're talking about, where you like went up to her and you told her that you were interested in Dale and Sean.

and she said that Dale said he wasn't gonna be exclusive or something he said she said something along the lines like what Dale had said to her right Dale wasn't interested and then you went back to the other women and you were like oh Kat told me like I was not allowed to like pursue Dale whatsoever like he was not gonna be open and so it kind of I don't know if there's missing context but it kind of gave a little bit of like telephone where it's like you're changing a little bit of what Kat said

interesting because what we saw was not what you repeated back to the women.

Sure.

So I guess to

clear all that up, I came in.

I had the date card.

I knew I had to give it to someone.

I really didn't know the guys because we're all just like having a drink and a fun time in the partying the night before.

So it was really hard to gauge like anybody's personality from that.

So I had like a couple hours the next morning.

to make a big decision who I was going to take on a date.

And I really was torn.

So my first thought was I'm going to go up to Kat and let her know because I knew she was coupled up with Dale and Sean was previously coupled up with Jill.

She left.

So I didn't have to do any,

you know, damage control on that end.

So I went up to Kat and I told her.

And she said to me

that her conversation with Dale, he told her he's not opening, he's not open to getting to know anyone.

That if he got asked out on another date, he wouldn't want to go.

He's all into Kat.

I said to Kat, that's interesting because that's not the conversation that he had with me last night.

Kat and I proceeded to have a conversation where I said to her, do you want me to tell you what he says to me or do you not?

Because from my perspective, I think the girls, we should be communicating because why are we going to let him make us look like an idiot?

If he's telling you one thing and telling me something, let's get together and get to the bottom of it, right?

And she was on the same page, like, yeah, no, please.

She's like,

please ask him on a date if you want to, because that's going to be telling for me to know if he's telling me the truth and what he's saying.

you know, adds up.

And let's see.

So that's where me and Kat's conversation ended.

I still wasn't sure who I was going to take on a date.

And then I proceeded to have a conversation with Dale and Sean that morning.

And Dale basically told me, like, if you don't take me on a date, it's not going to change me wanting to get to know you.

I want to still get to know you.

I think we have a connection.

Clearly, there's a connection.

Like, I don't want you to feel pressure on taking me.

Like, do what you want to do.

And just know that, like, it's not going to change a thing if you don't take me and you take Sean.

So in my eyes, I'm like, okay, no brainer.

And yeah, I didn't proceed to have any more conversations with Kat after that

in regards to what Dale had been telling me because really, Dale and I stopped getting to know each other because that evening it became a competition.

And we were told at the Rose ceremony that, you know, it was no longer a dating show, it was a competition show.

So, I think that's where things really kind of fizzled out for Dale and I.

Um, and everybody kind of locked in on their partners and on the game now.

But, no, Kat and I had a really progressive conversation.

I think we were on the same page, and um, she gave me her blessing to pursue him and see.

I think she was welcoming of the potential test that that would have caused for them.

Interesting.

Yeah.

I always say that

more people are helped by their reality TV edit than hurt for other people who do complain about their edit.

For the people that you got to know on Paradise or get to know better other than Kat, because I assume that would be your answer.

Who is someone that you think comes across better than you got to know?

And then we'll send you on your way.

Somebody who comes across better than

like watching

or like they don't deserve that

yeah that's not how they were in real life that is not that's not the person i got to know where like maybe batter nation is like oh my god they're the greatest and you're like no no

i have two names love it so we're just gonna throw them out there great the first one i'm gonna say controversial

but i'm gonna say alex okay okay because I have an E.

Alex with an E.

I had a lot of respect for her coming into it.

And I don't know if it was her avoiding confrontation or her playing the game, but regardless, I think she's come out to and publicly admit that, you know, had she

had hindsights 2020, she could retrospectively go back, she would have done things differently.

So I think that's probably

obvious.

Of course.

You realize you do something.

That they didn't look so good.

Was the version that you heard about Susie on the beach?

Like, no,

it was, it was watered down.

Oh, so watered down.

Yeah.

It was a a one-time passing call that he made in the heat of things when like Bailey was going on a date with Andrew.

No idea how much he had doubled down on it.

No idea that he'd said he didn't want to win with Bailey.

The fact he told her, like, I never said I'd propose her on the spot.

I think, I think that's what happens when secrets are kept, right?

It's like a cobweb.

It just gets more and more intricate and lies are hard to keep.

Do you think he's still lying to Bailey somehow?

Like, do you think...

No, I don't think he can lie to Bailey because I think everything's out now.

No, he could still lie.

His reasons could be a lie.

Yeah.

He could still be like holding on tight to the I never said that I'd propose to see you.

Yeah, he's still denying that.

He's still arguing with fans in the comments.

Yeah.

Listen, I think like the truth hurts, right?

Like, it's funny when you strike a nerve, that seems to be when people start chatting the most and feel like, hindsight is 2020.

I wouldn't go back and change anything that I did or how I acted personally.

Like, I feel pretty good about my experience.

So, yeah, is it easy to turn around and be like, I could have done things differently?

Sure.

But I think as full-grown adults, we can also all take accountability and learn from it.

And, you know, moving forward, I think Alex has learned from it.

I think the other name I would throw out there is probably Jonathan because Jonathan.

Yeah, Jonathan.

I love, I love Jonathan.

But what surprised me about him was I didn't realize how much he was going to cat initially in the beginning and kind of relaying things that the boys were saying,

which I don't think was a bad move on his end.

I just did not know that he had that kind of like allegiance to Kat.

Or, you know, there's a couple of times too.

I think maybe it was semantics, but some of the things he said to Leia and Jill, you know, rubbed them the wrong way or didn't feel like they totally aligned.

I don't know if that's just a communication issue on Jonathan's end.

I think he, I went into paradise and was really worried about Jonathan, honestly, and came after him a few different times one-on-one just to make sure he was okay.

Cause I think it was very obvious and evident his mental health was kind of he just wasn't himself sometimes.

And I think because of that, and maybe just the place he was in, he might not have explored some of the connections that he probably owed it to himself and the other people, you know,

to look into a little bit more.

But yeah, so I would say those two people.

And

I don't think it's a reflection of their character.

I think it's just a reflection of their journey and this one experience in paradise, which is isolated.

Okay.

Period.

Period.

Well, thank you for stopping by.

Thanks for having me.

Saying that right.

Where can people find you?

You can find me in LA now.

I'm on Instagram, on TikTok, and I'm loving it.

All right.

Yeah.

Well, appreciate you stopping by, giving us some insight.

Thank you guys.

This was fun.

So much fun.

Appreciate you.

Thanks for coming.

Well, Alicia had some things to say.

She did not hold back.

I definitely was not expecting that.

But, you know, those are her thoughts and her feelings.

So pop off, Clue.

We feel valid.

I just love it when somebody names them.

Names him.

Kudos, mama, for spelling.

I mean, the

cat denying that she's friends with Sean.

The cat's out of the back now.

But it's crazy, though.

The way Alicia painted that picture, that like they

he's met his mom, they're all

text, they're always together, and then to be filming Paradise and being like, we barely

give you the insider tea tea any day.

Yeah.

No, that's wild.

Wow.

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Fraser, welcome to the show, man.

Thank you so much.

You're our first below-deck guest ever.

You've got

great taste.

We were really good.

We had to start with you.

Yeah, we were like, we're not going to do this until we get Fraser.

So you grew up in the UK, even though your dad's American.

Correct.

Yeah.

All right.

Yeah.

How about it?

Really fun.

Really fun.

Yeah.

Well, we actually moved countries every two to three years on my dad's job.

What was your dad's job?

He worked for the Olympic Games.

Oh my god.

Oh, yeah.

Doing what?

He's not probably going to love me talking about this, but yeah, doing some really big stuff.

Oh my god, so he's like pretty cool.

Oh, he's the coolest guy I know.

Apart from me.

Apart from you, obviously.

And now you.

And do you think he gets of an accent?

Yeah.

Well, my mother said, you speak like me, and it's done.

Yeah.

Did your dad try to have an accent or was he like, listen, this isn't me?

No, I think there's like videos of us when we're really young, when we lived in the States for a brief brief time, and my sister's like, look, a birdie.

And my mum's like, a birdie, darling, a birdie.

So that's my mother wrapped.

So, um, and thank God, honestly.

Thank the Lord.

Yeah, I'm from the south, nowhere near England.

Right.

Unfortunately.

But Nick really wants me to speak to our daughter, who's a year and a half in a British accent.

Because she has a very good one.

Do you?

Can I be the judge of that?

Please.

Do you want some time to get into it?

I respect that.

Yeah, I'm trying to get a little bit of a bit.

And I'm also going to need

some specific things to say.

Yeah, like if you're just saying that.

And just give it a second.

Like the first couple words out of her mouth.

Don't go.

Trust me.

Let it

warm up.

I get how these accents work.

And you're on the spot and there's a bit of a...

And you've got someone like me sitting next to you.

Like, the whole thing's quite intense.

Because there's so many different accents in England.

No, I won't allow for that.

It's just one of them.

Yeah.

I guess.

Okay, I'm not sure I'll allow for that though, because then I feel like when Americans do it, they combine all of them and they go, that's one.

I'm like, no, that's six.

But I feel like that's more talent.

Yes.

Okay, let me give you something to say and then we can talk and then you can get back to me later.

We know full well you're not going to listen to any of our conversation for that time and you'll be focusing on the accent.

So true.

So true.

What a great studio we have here.

What a great studio we have here.

That was very, very good.

No prep time needed.

Confidence is through the roof.

Maybe, do you know what?

You even looked British.

Really?

Yeah.

You know what?

Growing up, my whole life.

Why are we...

Oh, sorry.

No, I don't have a daughter.

How is our daughter going to learn?

She needs me to talk to our daughter with a protective.

No, everyone.

I wanted to hear her go, daddy, daddy.

Daddy.

Yeah, yeah.

My growing up, everyone said I looked like uh emma watson i can see it from harry potter yeah because that was obviously like yeah when i was growing up and so my sister would make me do a british accent as like a child right so that abuse

is what has made me so perfect so funny so beautiful keep going

yeah yeah that's what's made me who i am today

anyways you've got a catch yeah um well done though that was very good yeah thank you i have i want to get into like what you do on the ship because you're a little like

What?

How did you get into yachting?

So I was working in London as something else and I was really unhappy.

And I was fortunate enough to be a guest on a beautiful vessel with my ex at the time.

And I was sat there in the south of France on the sundeck at 8 a.m.

in the morning, drinking my coffee with my side of grapefruit juice, waiting for my ex-Ben.

And I was like, why am I so fucking unhappy right now?

I have everything I could possibly need in life.

And why am I miserable?

And then I overheard some laughter, some joy,

and this sort of zest for life.

And I peered over to my left.

Also, I should be a storyteller because this is going really quickly.

No, I'm literally

thinking, is this a call map?

And I feel like I'm not going to be able to do it.

I was like, oh my gosh, tell me more.

Can you talk to me to go to bed?

I'll read your kid.

So I peer over to my left and I see four beautiful yachtis.

I mean, I'm talking exquisite, perfectly presented, beautifully tanned, highlighted hair,

and just like enjoyment of their job and their life.

And I was truly in awe.

Like I was, I was in a bad place, but I was in awe of how they could be enjoying themselves in their workplace.

And I went, surely that's not possible.

Like I was doing my dream job that I'd always worked hard to do.

And that's a secret?

No, I was a model agent.

And I was like, this is the coolest job ever.

Wasn't lo and behold.

Anyway, I was just, I was totally fascinated.

And I left that trip, went home, met my family for a family dinner and said, guys, I'm going to become a yachti.

And they were like, you're having a mental breakdown.

And I was like, watch me.

So then I sold myself

to the devil.

Now you're a huge still.

Yeah.

This was before you even thought Yachty would come with a TV career.

That's right.

Yeah, so I actually wanted to be a Yachty, of course.

Didn't know anything about the show.

Worked really, really hard in getting to where I wanted to be.

And then

the casting producer found me and kept pestering me.

And then here we are.

And have you gone back to mom and dad and said, told you so yet?

The thing with, I think

they let me do it.

They let me do everything that I want to do.

And they just, they just, I think they trust me to get stuff done.

I I think my sister decided to do that, we'd all be up in arms.

Um, but no, they're just like fine.

And I think it took a lot for me to pack a backpack and move into a hostel in the south of France and graft.

That's not a very Fraser thing to do.

Um, and they were like, if he's going to those lengths, he wants this.

So, like, what was the like the darkest

tell me dirtiest?

What was it?

Wait, as an experience I've had with a guest, Or just

in well.

Sorry, as an in yachting.

Like when I was a yoga.

Yeah, yeah.

This one night.

We're here for any dark story.

No, I dealt.

This is so like woamy, but it's true.

It's a very archaic industry.

I dealt with a lot of homophobia.

And also being a male in the interior is not a thing.

I mean, it is, but it's not well received.

And I was essentially, I'm 26 when I started as very old in yachting.

Oh my gosh, you are basically a pile of ash.

You are not interesting.

You're like, you may as well have a walking stick.

It's just, because people start when they're 18 and you're young and fresh and fab and hot.

And here's me waltzing in.

So it wasn't a very desirable look.

But

yeah, I just wasn't, I didn't fit any of the molds that they had in place.

uh so i just had to show that actually i could be quite i could be a personality hire one and two I could be good at it.

The guests will love me, but I didn't, I started on deck,

and they were like, Your shit, get into it.

Sure enough.

So, yeah, so but again, like homophobia.

Like, the first, my

first day, I was working, I got any job I could, and it was working as a crew member to the crew, not even guest facing.

So, we call it a crew mess stew, basically, cleaning up after the crew, the crew is awful, but I took anything I could get.

And the first day,

the chief engineer had found out that i was uh gay and i was making teas and coffees for the crew and um

before he grabbed it the tea i'd made him and i was washing up in the sink and he um

he poured the boiling hot tea over my hands and he said i won't have a

um make me a drink and i most certainly won't drink it and i was like This is day one?

Day one.

And I remember walking straight into my cabin and like looking at my hands and then looking in the the mirror and be like, you fucking have this, boy.

Like, don't let any douche get in your way.

Like, how we forget that throughout life, we have these hurdles and we have these moments where you, you feel like the world is telling you to turn around.

There's not much that's going to make me turn around unless I quite literally am.

Unless it was like a third-degree burn, you had to like go to home.

Oh, no, it was rough.

It was really rough.

But I'm just like, you know, people are gross.

Have you ever run into him since?

No.

Yeah.

No.

I mean, I would love to.

Yeah.

No.

How amazing.

And I would too.

I'd look him up and down and go,

how are you doing?

Is there a laugh list for yachting?

Yeah, I mean, these people do eventually get exposed.

And whether it's through karma or the fact that these things do spread, the industry is very small.

Yeah, I don't think he's working.

How do you think he feels watching this season of Below Deck?

So many people are gay.

He's probably really horny for me.

That's what usually happens.

I really misses you so much.

That sounds like maybe it's some pent up.

It always is.

But, you know, whatever.

I mean, hopefully he's unemployed and got nothing going for himself and miserable.

Miserable.

But no, I wish him the best.

I wish everyone the best.

What's the largest tip you've ever received?

I feel like that's a big deal.

Do you know, I'll keep it to Below Deck on this.

We got the highest tip in Below Deck history on my first season of Chief, season 10, I believe.

And I think it was 40k

for two days, like three days.

I was like, I'll take it.

I'll take it.

Yeah, I saw this season, you guys were, it was a lot having a five-day charter.

Yes.

Is that typic?

Is that not typically enough?

So, in the industry, that's the thing.

Usually, charters are five, sorry, seven to ten days minimum.

Obviously, when you're filming a show, you don't have that right, thankfully, with the people that they find us.

And

five days was a long old schlog.

Yeah.

And then to basically not get tips for it.

Do you ever get tired of being on a tiny vessel?

Again, people think this is a really glamorous life we live.

It's not.

You live like a dog, work like a dog, you're in a kennel.

And you've got to slave.

You've got to slave away at it.

So what do you love about it?

I don't know.

Okay, okay, but you're.

I'm my therapist and I can't work that in either.

Well, I do like hospitality.

I love being with people.

I love entertaining people.

And if I can do that, making a drink, which I love drinking too.

Yes.

I met you.

I've met some really fascinating people though.

Yeah.

Kept in touch or like

stores.

Yeah.

I have actually.

And it's amazing the people that I've met.

But, you know, it's such a wide variety of people.

And some of the best people I've met are crew.

Because we're all somewhat like-minded.

Can we talk about the gay porn star charter?

Yeah, that's the five-day.

That was.

But

what people do in their day-to-day truly reflects in no way on who they are as a person to a degree.

It wasn't in this case anyway.

And to think that these like really, you know, successful gay porn stars, which I'm sure they might be, but they didn't show it with their tip.

And we did a very good job.

So I don't know what's going wrong there.

I have a question.

Tell me.

As a below deck watcher, A, how do they pick who's going to be on the charters for the season?

And what are they responsible for?

do they pay for the entire charter plus the tip do they only pay for the tip because they're on tv like what is the actual arrangement here so this is like probably the most asked question

uh being on this show and i'm not going to use figures okay because i don't i quite like doing below deck

um

so there is a fee

a heavily discounted fee to charter the below deck vessel for obvious reasons.

Who wants to go on a vacation vacation where they're mic's the entire time?

They don't have full freedom and don't have the liberties of living how you would on an actual yacht.

So it's a pretty restricted experience, but you still get to do what you've asked to do.

You still have to just, you still get the experience.

You're just limited a bit, right?

So a heavily discounted cost for the amount of time.

The amount of time can be five days, it can be three, it can be two, whatever.

It's always going to be the same.

That's just luck of the draw.

There is a minimum tip you have to pay on top of said charter fee for this show.

Minimum.

20%.

No.

In real life, yes.

So like on normal boats, it is 20%.

But with this specific charter fee for the below deck vessel, there is a minimum tip attached, which is the same, both the fee and the minimum tip.

Okay, okay.

You know this.

Everyone knows this who comes onto the boat because that's what it costs to be there.

I also know this.

Maybe not the others, but I do.

So whatever they add to the minimum is what they're really actually putting towards.

So in the circumstances of the five,

sorry, seven or eight male porn stars five-day trip, there was a minimum spent.

It was covered by their company.

Okay.

And then we saw actually how much they put together themselves.

Got you.

And it was pathetic.

That's, you guys committed.

So you did a a whole snm night yeah it was the best night of my life yeah it was awesome i was able to be an a bitch to the guests and it was fantastic i really came alive yeah you really um maybe they sensed that oh they love no

you know what he got his

maybe

um but no and then they they sped up the chart the charter over the few days and we just we worked so hard and then we got paid nothing but again i love it for the job i really do can't explain it but i do and when you talked to those when you had the epiphany on i have with your grapefruit juice and your cup of coffee did you go and talk to them and be like hey what's what like what are y'all doing or did you go into this obviously you started at the bottom so like

there had to have been a point where you were like i know i'm gonna get to where they are which is like happy so i'm just gonna grind grind grind well i i just observed them from there on out and I was like, what's actually going on here?

And obviously, as a guest, you don't really see what's going on.

So I did go into it with rose-tinted glasses a little bit, but I also knew that I wanted to be in the south of France.

I wanted to be by the most beautiful coasts in the world on a super yacht in a tight outfit with my tits out.

So hot.

My dream date.

Hello.

This is my dream date.

Thank you.

Another question.

I feel like I only see you on Below Deck.

We've got Below Deck Med.

We've got Down Under.

Is there different yachting

companies that we're going through?

Or could you be on below deck met if you wanted to no bra so bravo owns them all they're all different franchises

i'm glued to below deck okay um different production companies i imagine same production companies yeah yeah yeah um there was one season that there wasn't and then it got cancelled so it didn't go too well for them but

um no um one of the older ones but no they're all i think they're all same production companies yeah and um yeah they're just different

worlds, if you will.

However, you do see crossovers, of course, people move to others, but I'm I've not been allowed to.

Um, can you talk about Kelly?

Yeah, what a wonderful woman!

Yeah, um, what happened there?

I think she is a really bad drunk, bless her, and I think she's a messy.

How long was that?

Like, how long was her breakdown?

Four hours, three hours.

Well, they joined at noon, yeah, and then she was drunk by like 12 30

um but she'd obviously been drinking on the way and isn't very a good drunk really

and then when she was at the table and when she had more food in her hair than she did in her mouth right i started to question sort of the longevity of her existence yeah on the shirt

uh and then And then there was no going back.

Listen,

you can feed someone as much water as you'd like.

It's not going to work out.

Anyway, so that took about four hours to finally get her arrested.

What was the funniest thing she said on her?

I think screaming Democrat in my face.

Yes.

That's interesting.

It's a bunch of Democrats.

And she was, yeah, just angry.

She was like, fuck you, Captain.

And like,

watching her try to duck underneath the captain and see if it's true, just like trying to get back in the ocean or whatever.

And then her diving in and being like, chase me, chase me.

I was like,

she's really going for a ride this one.

What makes a good steward and a good steward chief?

And why do you think you are so good at what you do?

I think that

you have to put your ego at the door 100%.

You're here to serve and you're here to create an experience, really not here to think about yourself.

And I think that that means that you're going to be giving up a lot of sleep.

You're going to give up.

time to eat.

And of course, you know, you need to keep yourself going.

But I truly put everything else else first and because I've been a guest and I'm very fortunate to say that I don't think many yachti have

I like made yachty a plural word there yachties yacht I have had that experience I think that I'm able to see what really is appreciated and expected at that level of service and I do that and now unfortunately if I'm ever at a really nice place or on a boat I can't help but think what more can be done for me in that place but this then I use that myself when I'm working.

So I think that if you just need to be creative and you've got to constantly want someone to be smiling more or happier

or better in themselves.

Have you ruined yachting for yourself as a customer?

Like, would you enjoy going back?

I've just come off of

my friends and I got a boat in Sardinia and Corsica.

We charted you a lovely yacht.

Yeah.

Well, we call them boats.

Because when you become so used to them, it's just a boat business.

So we were on a yacht, yeah.

And then, um, and it was tough because I was like, why does anyone want this?

You know all about my life, you know what I eat, what I drink, when I go to the bathroom, you know my laundry status, you know, everything.

It's quite in a, it's quite invasive.

And you've got a whole team of people doing it and talking amongst themselves.

And I know that because I do it.

And I'm the biggest bitch around.

So I'm like, ugh, not her again.

I can't deal with someone saying that about me.

it's just really uncomfortable and i go to a hotel and i'm like oh you should be doing this why is that not done it's hell the up here is not good oh no do you find it difficult as the chiefs do because you're responsible for managing the personalities of the crew underneath you but then it's also you're managing the expectations and the request of your guest so it's like how do you find balance to stay sane even during a three five day charter where you have so much coming at you

um i always put the guest guests first and I put the experience first.

If that means me running around for everyone else, I will do that.

And then I look at my crew because usually, well, in normal circumstances, I get to hire my crew and I get to weed out those who haven't got incredible mental issues, who have been casted usually to be on the show.

Right.

And those who, you know, who have the experience to do it.

So I deal with the guests and then I'll look at the crew and be like, right, what can we do here to keep things at bay?

So so we're not

so we're not causing too much drama and just get us through to the end of the charter and then we deal with it but there's a priority of things that really are important um

and it changes constantly but there's always a priority and the job always comes first over drama over beef over anything and are you saying that on a normal charter that's not being filmed the the crew isn't as um

this is where well this is where i like i go back on myself because what i always say from what i've seen in the real world is 10 times worse than what you guys see on the show.

But do you know why?

It's because people aren't subliminally aware that there is a camera.

I've seen personalities, people lose their fucking shit because there's not a camera that they have to then reflect on nine months down the line.

Or a storyline.

Like, I've seen people lose the plot.

And I'm like, if there was a camera on you right now, you would never

do this.

So what was your reaction, I guess, to watching Kyle like have sex with a woman in a public bathroom?

Do you think he lost the pot in that moment or leaving it going?

No, I wasn't surprised at all, to be honest.

What I was surprised about was the fact that that specific public restroom had cubicles.

Yet

him and his madame chose a Boston woman, wherever she was from, chose to position her head underneath the urinal.

The reaction was so good.

You like came on, you're like, absolutely foul.

Disgusting.

It's disgusting.

It's so gross.

I just work amongst the most peculiar group of people.

Well, speaking of Kai, so I would love to hear your opinion on the whole, like Kyle, Solen, Jess, Barbara, I guess, Damo as well.

Yeah.

Like,

what do you think is going on there?

Like, if you were gonna hot, if you were hiring your crew, would Solen be someone that you hired?

Have a wild guess.

yeah

yeah

no yeah uh her work ethic seems to need work what work ethic yeah exactly

uh again would it be worth watching if i could pick my team yeah no

no

um

but what's really cool it's not cool what i've been dealt with is dealing with this every single year and now as opposed to going please someone fire them and i've asked captain in the past i've been like seriously seriously can we let this person go?

And him saying, no,

I'm like, right, let's just make use of what we have in the best way possible.

Yeah.

And she was great for morale because she was nuts and she was funny and she was lovable.

She was referring.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

As opposed to just going,

and now everyone online's like, fire her, you idiot.

And I'm like, you can't win.

No, out of all of these little triangles, who do you think had it in to last?

None of them.

In no way, shape, or form.

But I think, no, actually, none of them.

No.

No, not even Barbara and Jess.

Yeah.

Well, I think Jess kind of...

Jess wants everything.

Are you in a relationship?

No, I'm single.

Do you find it hard to date while being kind of on

the road and all this stuff?

Yeah.

On the scene.

Well, your previous relationship was with another

Yachti.

What was the time period of like you saw each other once and how long?

Yeah.

We started seeing each other and then we both have very, very opposing schedules and ended up, if you wanted to put it into words, I ended up seeing him technically for one day a month.

It was nice.

So I was like, it's really great.

Yeah.

And usually that will kind of work for me, but it didn't.

But no, I've just moved to LA.

I'm talking this week.

Oh, you did?

Hey, welcome.

Thank you so much.

So just trying to make my little apartment a little home.

It's a great location.

Not saying I'm here for love, but I'm here for things like this.

So

there's a lot of like yachts coming through LA?

No, I just do the show.

I haven't worked on a boat outside of the show

for three years.

Now he's a TV star.

Yeah.

No, but you know, I can't get a job anymore in a boat.

They're like, you're an actor.

I'm like, you're.

I mean,

you are, you know, in entertainment these days.

You're very entertaining.

Do you

hope to maybe use this as a launching pad for maybe more entertaining things?

Yes.

I think that I never set out to do this.

And then I was in a position of not being able to get a job on boats anymore because of this.

So I became comfortable with the idea that maybe I'll run with this.

And if it goes somewhere, brilliant.

And if it doesn't,

I'll figure that out then.

Right.

So yeah, I'm just running with it and seeing what happens.

Is there something going on with you and Chef Anthony?

In what respects?

Well,

just

curious.

I mean, you know, like, are you alluding

is he just French?

Yeah.

But I also don't want to offend the entire French nation with that.

Right, right, right.

Um, because he's a bit of a screw-loose at the moment.

I'm not necessarily returning calls at the moment because

just like

are you do you press decline immediately or do you let it run through?

I let everything run.

I'm not that bitch.

Right, right, right.

Oh, they're, they they sent me a voicemail yeah i'm always pretend that you're not on your phone yeah listen he came i brought him back this year i had to beg production to allow that to even happen because you don't bring back someone who's fired ever it's not a thing that happens on below deck two had to kind of beg captain because he's the one who fired him last year had to put my neck on the line because i knew that we we really work well with each other and he came back And all he did was talk about how he can forgive and not forget.

And I thought, for fuck's sake, if you have one chance, just to be a little bit grateful and a little bit more, let's focus on Job and less on Fraser.

Right.

And being obsessed with this, I wouldn't have had a problem.

But no good deed goes unpunished.

I also feel like if you're going to forgive, like, you have to forget.

Just do it.

Or you're not forgiving.

You know.

So you brought him back.

I know it's forgiving and not forgetting.

It's a load of bullshit, really, isn't it?

So, and I just want to keep saying it.

Just know, I haven't forgotten.

Yeah.

I also

don't care.

Try that one.

I do not care.

You're rid of me.

You're still telling me and everyone else, I don't care.

That's probably the most powerful thing.

I do feel like chefs already have kind of a bad crap when it comes to tempers and you're in that hot little kitchen.

I get it.

But like, is there a success for having a chef on a yacht?

Because I feel like each one of them has their own meltdown in a very different way.

Yeah, for sure.

And I think across the board, all chefs have a a screw loose.

Genuinely, I've worked with enough to at least make that generalization.

I just know that with him, whether he pretends to or not, he listens to what I say.

And I do have to hold his hand throughout the season.

But he's a very good chef.

And with the right guidance on how things are running, we are a fantastic match.

Okay.

Truly.

But like, don't fuck with that.

Yeah.

And you're fucking with it.

Do you think the lingerie guests were in the mob?

I wouldn't put it past them.

Yeah.

Again, I would hope that the mob has more cash.

And they would have tipped this.

So I'm going to go with no.

So, I mean,

in the vein of if they were in the mob, do you think because of Kyle maybe, maybe not slipping it in with one of the people, he might need to go into like Whitney's protection?

Like, what?

Do you think that might have affected it?

I don't believe it happened.

I've reflected on it.

I was was there.

Yeah.

Her husband was three meters away.

There was a camera underwater.

Unless there was a camera in her, I'm pretty sure we can assume it didn't happen.

People ever tell you like Chris Martin?

Do you know what?

I don't like that one, but I have received that one.

I get blonde messy.

I get Jamie Bell.

Blonde Messi.

Yeah.

Yeah.

No, I see that.

Every time I do a TikTok live, it's non-stop.

I see Blonde Messi is really really good.

Yeah, Jamie Bell, who's Billy Elliott.

And then

that's it.

Okay.

Sorry about Chris Martin.

That's okay.

Got some good songs out there.

Don't say it again.

Going back to your breakup,

the hot tub kiss with Damo.

Yes.

A, like...

Did you see that coming?

Two, like, what were the thoughts going through your head?

Did you have, and did you feel like you needed to make that phone call the next day?

So, I was hoping that this never came up

this whole season, but we're so far gone now that it's fine.

Yeah, yeah, um,

yeah, I fucked up,

and

I had a chat with my boyfriend at the time, and I was like, so about to go filming again.

You know how, like, every year I like make out with a straight man

as a lol JK.

He's like, he's like, yeah, that's not going to happen.

And I was like,

that's not the relationship I want to be in.

Yeah, fair enough.

And we had a fight.

He was like, yeah, he was like, no, seriously, it's not happening.

And I was like, but he's straight.

It doesn't count.

Right.

So this is my point.

I was like, I get it.

If it was a gay guy,

no, no.

If it was a girl,

just a friend.

If it's a straight guy who just wants some attention from me as well,

no, no.

If you unlock something.

That's not my problem.

That hasn't happened yet.

It has nothing to do with me.

It's a whole different story.

He's like, just got in the hot tub.

What am I supposed to do?

Right, so I was like, that doesn't make sense to me.

I was using that as my argument anyway.

Anyway, he said no, and I said,

fine.

So I did go against it.

It's the truth.

And then when I, and then I was really drunk.

Now, I don't know if you've seen that episode.

They haven't shown a lot.

They did try to protect me a bit in that.

I was paraplegic drunk.

I was blackout, beautiful, classic, second night out drunk, don't remember a thing.

So I did call him and say, listen,

it isn't working as we know.

Let's start there.

I've got a feeling.

This is your fault.

This is all on you.

Yeah, yeah.

And two, I may have gone against.

And I don't want to out it too much, but he was like, do you even want to be in this?

And I was like, I couldn't answer.

And I think if you can't answer,

it's usually not a yes.

yes well I mean it's tough when you're not seeing them very often it was a pen pal and I hate pen pals yeah

yeah writing but like was like Damo a good kisser yeah sure yeah he doesn't remember

that we kissed him a few times after that

I remember those ones

um

so I do want was yes it kind of

And maybe this was me

reading between the lines,

but the whole like, once Solan and Damo started making out,

was there a little part of you that was like,

I don't want Solene to be getting Jess too, so let me hook Jess up with Barbara.

Oh, God, no.

That would be wonderfully manipulative.

And I wish I did think that.

I was, I thought you were going to ask another.

I thought you were going to say, were you a little bit jealous?

Oh, were you?

Oh, yeah.

Didn't want to out myself, but yeah, I was.

I was like, who the fuck is she?

She just got her.

Yeah.

And then rainbow starts to get with him.

No.

Not get, but like, flirt.

And I'm like, Rainbow, honey, remember

who's boss who's your boss yeah think that one again get back to work second panic attack of the season yeah i'll give you a third and fourth if you want to

yeah

you're silly you're so silly

say it in an english accent so silly

really good

thank you

really good thank you thank you

Thank you.

Anything you want to ask her?

In English.

It can't just be from your Emma Watson experience.

I feel like it is.

I don't know.

Do you know what it's weird?

It's how you go.

It's the way you use tonality to make it also.

Because an American can try English, but if it's like using the way they talk, it's not going to work in English.

It's like, it's not as long as the Americans are, you know, but you go up and down and you...

It's fun.

We could do this all day.

All day long.

I'm so glad you live in LA now.

Yeah, I'm terrified, but I'm ready to rumble.

But yeah, we should go drinks and I'll patent my American.

Oh my god.

We could like cosplay each other.

What's your, can you give us some American?

So like, um, I've got to change like the way I talk because I feel like if I go with the way, like if I go really like low, a lot better.

Um, because if I don't, I go really high.

I'm like this super gay, like, West Hollywood asshole where like I really just want to sound quite like cool and slow and mellow and a bit surfery.

Is that what your dad sounds like?

No, I don't know.

He's got this like weird English-American thing.

It's American, but it'll be the odd English word.

And I'm like, Dad, get you back in life.

Where is he from?

He's from, I know, this is dark, he's from Delaware.

Why does everyone laugh when I say this?

Nobody knows anybody from Delaware.

I know, except for Waynesworld, where it's like, hi.

Yes, I'm from Delaware.

But

we have called Colorado our home for the last 30 years.

We've got a place in Aspen, so I spend my winters there and then and then the rest of the time just bopping and fossiling around.

Bopping and starting.

Yeah.

Bopping and tharting.

Tharting.

Aspen Yadda.

Fraser, this has been so much fun.

I'm just so

sorry.

Literally.

I don't know.

His brain has stopped working.

He's nervous about being around me.

I get it.

I love it.

Another straight man.

I would pay to see that.

Anyways, this is just so much fun.

Thank you so much for coming.

I really appreciate it.

People find you, follow you, all that fun stuff.

Find me on Instagram.

I need more followers because everyone else on Blow Deck is doing really well and I'm not.

I actually don't.

You're like a fan fave.

Right.

You'd think, you'd have thunk.

Are you like.

No, I think I'm just the newest Chiefs juice.

It's taking time.

No, no, no.

But like, are you active on social media?

I mean, obviously you're doing TikTok lives, but.

Yeah, I am active.

I am.

Yeah.

I don't like giving people too much of me.

I feel like people can pay for that for a new TV show.

Exactly.

Or something, rather.

Yeah.

Spin off.

But yeah, if I'm going to be talking to my screen all day, I mean, I don't design it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I see some of the other people doing it.

I'm like, I'd rather not.

I'd rather than.

Especially when you see someone else doing it and then you're like,

it's such an ick.

It's humiliating.

Nick and I were in New York this past weekend and I was like, oh, I'm wearing this like cute dress.

Like, we need to take a picture of me.

And so I sat down on these like stairs, and he was full Instagram.

It was like getting down,

see, I know I love my girl.

But across the street was a cafe and a big window, and two girls were sitting there staring at me, laughing.

And I was like, I'm done.

Get up.

Now, this is the thing, though.

If you're doing it for the right reason, go for gold.

You better get it good.

That's what I said.

We're here.

And also, I'm just talking about like stories talking into your phone.

That kind of cringes me out.

But getting a good shot all day, every day.

No, I was like,

I've also brought my camera with me.

We can do, not today,

but to LA.

Yeah.

We can get Smash Out some good content.

Okay, okay.

Because I need it too.

We'll work together.

I just love your Instagram story.

I see you've already assimilated.

We have an avocado toast at Sunset Tower.

We've got hydrangeas on a hot morning walk.

I see it.

There's an Air One right down the street.

I'm fully aware.

No, you've got a Hailey Beaverglaze smoothie.

Yeah.

No, I've just, you know,

if I'm going to do it, better believe I'm going to do it well.

Hey, man.

You'll see him at Akbar.

Right.

Yeah.

Well,

we got Sandy giving us part two of her experience with

Louis and all the shit talking she has to do.

Fraser?

Yeah.

Thanks for coming.

Thanks for having me, guys.

You are great.

Come back soon.

Yeah.

I will.

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All right.

Anyways, now that you're still here,

it's Tuesday now.

Welcome back.

Yeah.

So you and Louis.

Louie?

Louis.

Louis.

Is it Louis for sure?

It's spelt Louis.

It's spelt Louis, but it's Louis.

I've never understood that with the Louis on.

I know.

I was like, Louis?

That's not Louis.

It's from Across the Pond.

Yeah.

Right?

The spelling and the pronunciation.

Across the pond?

Yeah, like, because he's from the UK.

Yeah.

All right.

Well, first question.

Louis, is he a good guy?

Yeah, I think he's a good guy.

We refer to him on Thursday's episode as an honest fuckboy.

That's actually pretty accurate.

Yeah.

In the sense compared to, like, say, some of the other men who, again.

They're like lying fuckboys.

Well, they're just like the fuckboys as I describe with like the...

You know,

the classic, you know, I definitely want to settle down and have kids.

Right.

Someday.

And like when they're with the girl they're talking to

and just like whether it's on perfect match or in real life, they try to pretend to be that someday person

in that kind of interaction.

But at the end of the day, they don't want to be held accountable, have expectations of them, you know, sacrifice fun,

sex, whatever, the opportunity to like, you know, just be a free spirit.

Louis owns his

fuckboy menace.

I mean, that's why he calls himself a menace because he does.

He owns it.

Yeah, and he's.

Which I can appreciate.

Like, if people are self-aware and they're honest, it's like, okay.

I think what's way worse is when people try and lie and deceit.

And that's where the real damage kind of comes in.

But no, he's a good guy.

And he's anyone that's like friends with him, they all, you know,

he's not a bad guy.

So going into the finale, I mean, I guess

do you want to preface anything?

I mean, obviously you guys matched and hooked up.

Hooked up.

I don't know.

Did you hook up?

Sorry.

I didn't mean like that, but just like got together.

We were matched up the whole time from day one.

Do you want to talk about what draw you to each other?

I mean, yeah, I think that just instantly we were like drawn to each other and we kind of agreed on that too, like right away.

We were definitely, we kind of knew we were going to match up and we stayed matched up the whole time.

We did kind of explore some other options and then we, you know, consciously came back and decided that we were the best match for each other in that environment.

And, you know, it's over the course of like three, four weeks.

So we spent basically four weeks together.

Like, essentially, you're living together.

You're sharing a room, bed, you know, bathroom, shower, whatever.

So you do spend a lot of time with that person.

And we, we got super close, you know, there obviously was an age gap.

And

I didn't realize that.

You didn't realize that?

Yeah, well, he was, he was 23.

How old are you?

Well, I was 28 at the time.

I'm 29.

Wow.

Could have fooled us.

Really?

Oh, that was like, felt like that was kind of a storyline.

But yeah, so the maturity thing was kind of age gap.

Well, you don't got to tell me about an age gap.

I don't do the reverse age gap.

Like, I don't necessarily date men younger than me.

But so that was kind of a thing for me.

And then just, you know, just naturally, I kind of who he is and his mentality.

Like, I don't think that that was going to work in the world.

For you dating a younger man?

At times, yeah.

Were there like things that stuck out?

Totally.

Yeah.

Can you, can you tell us a little bit?

It's like, we love this but at the same time i'm like oh my god it was like driving me crazy sometimes just because he is super like

he has so much energy and he's running around kind of like sometimes he'd be like running around like a little kid like in the pool and like jumping around and stuff

and like everyone else is having like deep conversations and i'm like i'm a very like i like to like converse i want to sit and talk i don't want to play games so there would be moments like that where i just was would get a little bit annoyed but then we would have actually really deep conversations and that's how him and i got close a lot of it though was you know, kind of off camera or more just like in the bedroom talking, getting to know each other.

And he would, he actually has, he's a mature guy deep down.

He really is.

I think he just is very like, he's rambunctious.

And, you know, he also, he's 24.

Like,

can't blame him.

I know you guys were open throughout, but obviously you were coupled up the entire time.

So like after the mixer, when he came clean about

whoever he was kissing or whatnot.

Was that kind of anything for you in the sense of like, if you were considering something in the future, how he handled it?

And like, did you have, do you respect the way that he handled it?

I did respect the way, at least that he handled telling me the truth.

Do I respect what he did know?

Like, I thought that was honestly, he just was kind of being the menace.

I think doing what people expected of him, to be completely honest.

It was a little hurtful just because we did.

kind of develop a strong like relationship and connection and he really would kind of get you know antsy if i was talking to somebody else and he just kind of went off and like, you know, had a make out orgy or whatever.

But I did respect him being honest with me.

That to me is super important, especially if we're not like in an exclusive relationship.

Like we're on perfect match, you know, it's like, was there

a point where you were like, okay, I'm actually interested in like dating him after this.

And then did that switch?

Or were you always just like, it's perfect match.

I'm here for fun.

No, honestly, I, we definitely developed a real relationship connection.

And I wasn't there to just like, I mean, of course, it's all fun.

It's not that serious of a show.

There's no engagement.

There's no proposal.

Thank God.

But I was looking for something that I could take kind of home with me.

Unfortunately, he lived in a different country.

So it was like, that was a little tricky.

He was planning on moving to L.A., which he did.

So that was kind of something that I was like, okay, we could potentially make this work if we want to, if we're going to be in the same city.

There were definitely moments where I was like, okay, I think we can maybe figure this out.

But it wasn't like, oh my God, we're going to leave here boyfriend and girlfriend.

And I want to ask you about physical intimacy.

If you don't want to answer, you don't have to answer.

But the only reason why I

think I know what you're saying.

Well, I just like, you know, you guys are living together and like Netflix, it's unclear whether there's hooking up going on.

Obviously, you all know your whole JR narrative and everyone, we all thought what we thought and who knows what, you know.

Yeah.

But I'm wondering if there are couples getting physical, whether second, third base, home base, and then the guys go on a mixer and then start making out with other women.

And so, like, you know, it's one thing to not be closed off

and not be exclusive, but it would be another thing to like have a night, whatever you guys decide to do, you hook up.

Now, I don't know, if shit's going down, that, that becomes more of a problem.

There's a connection there.

And then are the guys sucking on women's thighs and then being like, oh, it's all jokes and spaghetti.

Right.

And so I'm just curious if

whatever is going on behind closed doors is playing a role in why the women are as frustrated as they are by the behavior of the men.

That's a good point, honestly, because I think just in general, like it's like, even if you're not exclusive or whatever, when women become physical, like we're not okay with you being physical with other people because of many different reasons.

And I, you know, that way as well.

So, but with that, I think it was the guys mixer, I think it was like halfway through the show.

I think for the most part, most people were not super physical.

You'd be surprised.

I mean, you're on camera.

It's like you're,

your stress levels are high.

You're filming every day.

You're tired.

It's not like this, people are not really like having this free-for-all.

It's more of like, you're going to bed, you're tired.

I can't obviously speak for everybody, but I don't think that people were just getting down and dirty like like right away.

I think it was kind of something that maybe naturally progressed with the relationship.

For me personally, I don't think that was an issue with the guys mixer.

Okay.

That wasn't, yeah.

Were you okay with how things ended between you and Louie?

Yeah, like, so we ended the show together, like, you know, the finale.

We claimed each other as we're each other's perfect match.

We actually went to Cancun afterwards together.

We did a little like vacation.

So when you guys are leaving the show, what conversations are you and Louis having about like moving forward?

Yeah, like, is this not much, honestly?

Like, we kind of both just kept saying, you know, we have, we had such a good experience here.

Nothing can change that.

Like, we got really close.

We know that we have a real connection or whatever.

And we'll, we'll see what happens outside of here.

Like, we neither one of us were like, okay, so you're going to come visit this day and we're going to, you know, plan all these things and we're dating.

And no, it just was very much like, okay, we're really grateful for the time that we spent realistically, you know, this is going to be kind of challenging.

Is it even something that we want to do?

And we kind of left it at that.

You know, we did a little trip afterwards, spent some more time together, just like completely off camera.

And then we kind of went our separate ways.

No, Lucy, Daniel, and Scott were also there.

We all went, like the five of us went on a little trip to Cancun.

Me and Louie, you know, we were sharing a room or whatever, but that was, you know, we just all kind of had some time together off camera.

And yeah, we kind of just like went our separate ways.

We kept in touch.

What about Lucy and Daniel?

Were they like hot and heavy, very in couple?

Kind of the same type of vibe that they were on the show, to be honest.

Um,

same thing.

I just saw it so quickly with Daniel.

Like, I've, I've dated guys like that.

And I just, you know, my sensors kind of went up with him.

Um, and that's essentially, I think, what, well, actually, I'm not going to speak on that.

Lucy and Daniel can speak on how they're going to be able to do that.

They'll be with us on Thursday.

will they actually okay yeah and they'll they'll you know she can share that with you guys but um yeah we all just went together as you know little double date then with scott which was funny i was gonna say bless him fifth wheel yeah well yeah

mostly i was like a third wheel with him and louie him and louie were like

running around like crazy i was like oh my god what is going on but um yeah we just did a little trip and then kind of came back to reality when you went your separate ways like we're assuming he's at the in the uk were you guys like FaceTiming or kind of talking?

Just kind of like voice noting, texting back and forth.

We were just like voice noting, you know, a little bit.

But yeah, we never, we weren't really like hot and heavy, like, okay, calling each other every day.

It just was checking in periodically and then kind of just fizzled out, you know?

Okay.

You never visited in the process?

No.

Okay.

Never saw him.

Yeah.

So, I mean, that was this, like, that was it.

Yeah, pretty much.

Kind of.

I mean,

bye,

yeah.

You know, I think that's like the perfect match curse.

I've heard so many couples, AD and all are legit the only successful couple from the franchise because I think it's like you come out a perfect match and like reality sinks in.

Most people are like in different countries.

Let me ask you, right?

We, we know that Louis is younger than you.

You feel a certain way about that.

You seem like a self-aware girly.

Was there a part of you that

left that trip being like, I don't want to put myself out there.

He's already younger.

He's probably a fuckboy.

He's pretty honest.

Like, would you have been open to something with Louis had you left that trip and like he, you get back and he's just like, let's hang out.

I want to see you.

I miss you.

I like you.

And were you open to him pursuing you, but you didn't want to, like, you kind of knew what he was all about.

You accepted that.

And you were like, I'm just going to leave this trip and we'll see what happens.

And then he kind of acted pretty much how you assumed he would.

Right.

Would you have been?

You know, to be honest, not in a really serious long-term way.

I think totally if like, you know, coming out of the show, if he was in town and wanted to hang out and see, I would 100%.

We had a really good time together.

We spent a lot of time together.

And I didn't just like all of a sudden like stop caring, of course.

But

I think like long term, I'm looking for a husband and I didn't, you know, I'm like, he's got some years left.

He's got several years and he has a lot of other stuff going on in his life that personally, like, would not necessarily work for me and like with like a partner.

So I think I was pretty self-aware of what it was and what it wasn't.

And I was totally fine with that.

But yeah, I mean, I think I would have, you know, hung out, talked to him more, but it also was, I don't know, it was kind of mutual.

Yeah, it feels like it was casual.

Yeah.

Like you guys got along, but you know, here for a good time, not a long time, you know?

Pretty much, much, you know.

So then Love Island happens.

And then all of a sudden we see Louie

hanging out with Huda.

Did you feel a certain way about that?

What was your reaction to that?

Definitely.

I mean, I feel a couple different types of way about that just because of the timing of everything.

I think with him.

Essentially hard-launching his relationship with Huda or whatever.

Is it?

Is it a...

I mean, it's it's been a long time.

They've done red carpets and whatnot.

I mean,

it's crazy they're doing red carpets together.

Like, even like people

that are dating for seriously dating.

Yeah.

Or like, you know,

you know, yeah, that's why it feels a bit convenient for like publicity stake.

But who do you, if you're going to fault anyone, who do you fault more?

Obviously, Louis.

Yeah.

Because

what, like, it's comb girl is in a villa.

Come on.

Without a phone.

Huda girl is she's just got out of the villa.

I think Louis has the ability to convince Huda to be by his side and why he should be there?

Do you feel like he has the ability to manipulate her into stealing her spotlight?

I don't think it's like manipulation.

Well, he definitely is or it isn't.

Either they're like legit and either they're so in love and then she's just like, please come.

Because like

she's fresh off of Love Island.

Her star

most likely be brighter.

She doesn't like she doesn't.

She does not need him.

She doesn't need a man by her side right now.

People are very invested in her.

So it's like, why is he there?

Yep.

I think that he,

I don't know their relationship, obviously.

They actually could be a good fit, but he could definitely, he can turn it on if he wants to.

That man is very charming.

He can do all of it.

So do you think he's off all the things we said about Louis in the positive the past two episodes, where it's like, he might be a fuckboy, but he's an honest fuckboy.

Do you think he's being more Daniel-ish with Huda?

Not necessarily Daniel, because that's completely different.

That's the possessive thing, but like pretending he's playing the someday version of himself now.

I think with

the only thing that is making me question everything is the timing of it, the convenience of it, and just like the publicity of it.

I just think with real genuine, authentic relationships, it does take a little bit of time before you fully hit a red carpet, publicize it, especially if you have a dating show coming out the same day you are hitting a red carpet.

That timing felt so calculated.

And I

moved so fast that you would have thought that Louis was on Love Island.

Well, and also, Louis

on a show that we haven't even seen the finale of yet, so you're already ruining.

Haven't seen the finale.

Girl, he hits the red carpet before the show, even the day that the premiere came out.

So honestly, you know, whatever he's doing with us is their business personally.

But for me, speaking as you know, a cast member with him and for the rest of like the the show it's pretty disrespectful what he did just given like he kind of took away like you know a lot of like the hype and the spotlight around our show and just kind of put it on himself and he like literally spoiled the show yeah it was very disrespectful to the cast to myself to production and most importantly to like the audience the viewers because they're like okay they're less invested watching this because they already know how it ends and he was a main storyline.

So I just, that made me really kind of second guess a lot of things with him and, and question

his intentions behind it.

Just to play devil's advocate for fun.

I actually feel like I know.

I'm like, I'm curious where you're going.

I'm like, I feel like I know where you're going with this.

Well, we know Huda moves fast and she's very intense in her relationships.

And she has, at least on TV, demonstrated a little bit of possessiveness.

And don't you think there's there's a world in which Louis and Huda got together and Louis informed her that he's about to also be at a dating show?

Because again, Louis doesn't get to show up on Huda's red carpet unless Huda allows it to be so.

I think that's fair to say at this point, like she's the one getting these big invites and maybe he also, but like it's Huda's the star in that relationship.

And maybe wouldn't it make sense?

And wouldn't it be very Huda?

for Huda to almost like mark her territory and stake her claim in being like, this is my, before the the show even gets out and before it airs, I don't want anyone speculating on my man dating any other woman or like, you know, and he's, and then Huda's like, so who's the girl that you dated on Perfect Mats?

And he, he shows her a picture of you.

You really think Huda would have been down to have the internet wondering if Louis and Sandy were together for like how many weeks while this airs?

It's a theory.

It's a theory.

It's a good theory.

It's a good theory.

It's a good theory.

I actually, I don't know, honestly.

I feel like.

I'm just saying.

And I think for him, it's probably mutually beneficial, which I agree with you.

I think it is disrespectful to you.

And he's a song.

Yeah, exactly.

You know, I'm just saying the whole like the narrative that like Louis manipulated Huda and like she is like this innocent bystander of like, I don't know.

Well, I guess my question too is, I'm sure even though you didn't watch the last season of Love Island, there's been a lot of drama with Louie, his best friend that was on last season, unfollowed him.

His girlfriend unfollowed him, claiming that he's a clout chaser.

um do you agree or disagree with those statements or do you think that it was i uh they're not mutually exclusive my theory and no no i'm not saying that i'm just saying that i was really alarmed when miguel unfollowed him because i do know

like

how close they were or i don't know the extent of like their relationship now but like for an unfollow on instagram that's basically an unfriend especially so public and then he actually addressed it essentially Yeah, he did a full podcast.

You're like, yeah, he's basically, I don't fuck with him.

I was like, they're like airing it all out there.

That was so alarming to me.

That is actually what made me be like, holy shit, maybe his intentions aren't good because this is his literal best friend, you guys.

Not from TV.

This is his friend from like childhood.

They grew up together in London.

They were friends way before Miguel went on Love Island, like way before Louis was on TV.

He would FaceTime every day when I was with him.

Like they are actual good friends.

So I'm like, I don't know what happened.

I literally don't know, but

it doesn't really make sense for Miguel to get so like whatever Louis is doing with Huda.

I just like, why would it buy it?

Why is it, why would Miguel be so upset, even if it was like for a little bit of spotlight?

I mean,

we're all talking about reality TV stars here.

We all love.

a little attention.

But wait, we also have the Kenny and Janae kind of thing happening around the same time.

So it's like they're very like quick to be like, if you're trying to use us for more clout, we just don't fuck with you.

Yeah, I think they're like protective over that.

And I think, at least for what I saw, like what was said about Huda is like kind of like protecting that in a way, which I support.

But I don't know what happened.

I honestly don't.

So I can't really speak on it too much other than what is literal public knowledge, like what Miguel shared.

And I just couldn't believe my eyes because I know how close they are.

And that speaks for itself.

Oh,

see, that's the

beyond the villa version of that show I want to watch.

You don't have to go Beyond the Villa because Louis does lives on Twitch with Hudda all the time while they're just hanging out.

I can't possibly

have my time watching that.

But that's what I think is like wild, where I'm like the public aspect of it, where I'm like, it doesn't really seem like they're trying to protect anything because they'll literally set up a camera and just like I don't know, like to go on live, especially while you have like a show coming out, is just so tricky in general because you say one wrong thing.

It's out there like you are not supposed to be doing that type of stuff especially i mean oh my god with your you know relationship with huda is that is are they making money while doing that is that because i feel like ace is there's a like a thing where like i guess like the new thing is like influencing streaming streaming people send gifts if they're content creators and they're making money just being on these apps so yeah like i mean that's what i'm saying it's like i don't make money being on the apps because you don't go a lot you don't even spend time on the apps brush

yeah we go on the app you'll make some money if you and notalies sit in front of a camera and just talk or don't act like it's running but that's what i think is the weirdest part of it is that they act like it's not running they're just it's like they're in the corner but people are just like if they have to take a poop they just no they'll just be like sitting on a couch and have a camera set up and just be like yeah gallivit talking and like not talking to the camera not talking that's russian roulette that's crazy that's crazy i could never put it picking up headlines yeah it's kind of this weird version of like bringing back live tv Like that, that sort of, there are these two WNBA players that went live during All-Star and Weekend on Twitch called the studbuds.

And it was crazy because you were watching it and you were like, they very, they were going out and partying, like all live streaming on Twitch with like the commissioner of the league.

And you're like, they could ruin their career.

I don't know.

And I couldn't stop watching it.

And I was like,

you're waiting out.

You're feeling so real.

It's like this thing that like live TV used to have that feeling of like, what am I going to see?

Yeah.

And it it doesn't really anymore because everyone is so like knows how to handle themselves on TV now.

But with like live streaming and Twitch and stuff, it's about as raw as you get, and everybody's got their screen recording.

Do we live stream 30 minutes of our morning before we start recording?

Oh, that'd be crazy.

Wait, you guys should.

It got messy, though.

It would be messy.

It could get messy, but I've seen some.

I'm not even all in that, but I'm like, people are just like, there have been some taking

devastating mistakes on live.

Yeah, or like things like set in the background.

I

That's its way.

I'm scared of that stuff.

Remember, Kayla got in so much trouble because Aaron was like live streaming and they thought she said something about Aaliyah or something about them being fake.

And then it was just like mayhem.

Yeah.

From like an overheard.

I do try to disconnect from that.

You know, trust me, I have a lot of people.

But I get what you're saying.

Yeah, I have no idea when anything aired because you watch too much reality television.

Yeah.

I have a question.

So, how many people are going to be hard launching like in a week's time relationships that have nothing to do with perfect match?

Like, do you feel like everyone's because that's where i feel like it's frustrating that he's now hard launch and everyone's had to be quiet about their committed relationships and like that sucks for everybody i feel like honestly there will be a good amount of hard launches because it's been a year's time and

there's gonna be some pregnancy announcements i mean you know oh wow well there already is well yeah maybe but well and hannah yeah yeah on she wasn't allowed to hannah she was on the on the cast of perfect man yeah they cut out yeah they cut out her stuff which is cut out everything yeah yeah they cut out a whole challenge and then all the stuff around

and that's yeah but i don't remember

it's like yeah i mean it is frustrating she's she's engaged and pregnant and she's i mean she's come out and said that herself um and she's really excited to like announce it because she's been waiting months because she you know she hasn't been allowed to and and we all have like we've all like respected just the the way that the the show goes and the integrity.

So everyone's kind of had to keep their relationship on lockdown and private and then for you know louis to kind of pull his stunt the day that the show comes out was just like such a slap in the face to all of us because we've all been like okay

um but i think there will be a good amount of hard launches yeah excited yeah

i do have a question um so i saw on i believe rachel's page you were like at a pool situation or like a hangout and louis was there what has it been like being around around him after all of this?

Is this

like when we were in the pool or like, no?

Oh, is this, is this, was this old?

Um, I feel like she, so she did just post a video of her and I and like the guys were in the back room, but that was because we, we did that when we were filming, but we were all just together for the Netflix party and then we were filming promo the day before.

So we all were, you know, together at the hotel rooftop.

I heard from Rachel on this show that there was drama at the Netflix party.

Yeah, I, I saw that too.

I don't know.

I honestly don't know what drama she's talking about.

I was kind of in my own world, like dealing with my own stuff, but

I'm sure there was drama.

There was pretty much everybody there, you know, and it was super overwhelming.

But I don't know what drama she's talking about.

I actually wanted to text her about that because I was like, what are you talking about?

But did you and Louis speak?

Yeah, no, we talked.

I mean, that was the first time I've seen him.

First and only time I've seen him since we wrapped filming because we all did promo together.

So we had, you know, we caught up a little bit, very surface level, nothing crazy.

And then we all kind of just like hung out as friends, as a cast, and we were kind of filming some videos.

Nothing serious, nothing deep, you know, just kind of working.

Yeah, essentially.

But yeah, it was all good.

You know, him and I are good.

We're friends, but we don't, we're not like keep in touch.

How does Louis feel about fatherhood?

Oh, I have no idea.

That's a Louis question.

Okay, I was scared.

Hada has a child, so yeah.

We're just wondering if he's gonna

be a stepdaddy.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know, you know, only time will tell.

Yeah.

Hopefully,

yeah.

Sandy, it's been so fun.

Yes.

Thank you for having me again.

Anything you want to get off your chest before we send you on your way?

I don't know.

Is there anything else that we need to address or talk about?

Do you have anything?

Well, thanks for sticking around all weekend and hanging out here.

You're welcome.

Wearing the same outfit.

Yes.

Thank you.

Sorry, we locked you in here.

It's okay.

Anything coming up for you that you're excited about?

I guess now it's that all these shows are done.

Because think about it.

I've been the last two years, I've been waiting for kind of the next show to come out and like having to keep my life pretty private and whatever.

So this is the first time that I'm like, okay,

I'm ready.

Everybody follow Sandy.

I'm excited.

I'm like, okay, I can just be free and open.

Yes.

Are you dating anyone?

I am.

What's his name?

No, we're not going to go there.

Is he famous?

We're not going to go there.

How long has it been?

So he is famous.

No, we're, we're, I'm seeing somebody.

I've been seeing somebody for a little bit, and I'm excited to just navigate this like without this,

you know, these kind of restrictions being in place.

So, yeah.

I'll be watching.

Yeah.

He's going to be hard launching anytime soon?

Potentially.

Yeah, we'll see.

Why can't you tell us if he's like an accountant or if he's like?

You guys will have to find out.

You'll find out.

I don't know.

Well, we want you guys back on the show together.

Okay.

No, I'm asking.

I'm quite.

Is this more like, oh, good for Sandy.

She's, you know, best of luck.

Or is it like, oh, shit, we're curious.

Like, we want to know.

I don't know.

Have we gotten a photo of like a hand or anything?

Or like, is this going to be like a hard launch?

Are we going to start soft launching?

Though you're already sounding a soft launch.

It kind of soft launched it here.

Yeah, maybe we'll start with the soft launch and then we'll work our way to Sandy.

Is he older or younger than you?

Older.

He's older.

Yeah.

I've met him.

I have to say it.

I'm not going to say anything.

I'm not going to say anything.

Are you happy?

Yes.

How long has it been together?

I don't know.

A couple months.

Happy for you.

Thank you.

Could he be the one?

Maybe.

Let's hope.

Wow.

How fun.

We love love.

We're dating to find a husband.

Okay.

Yeah.

Right.

I respect Sandy.

I feel like she has a good head on her shoulders.

I feel like she, you know, picks good guys.

Questionable.

Very questionable.

But it's gotten better.

I am getting a lot better at it.

Yeah.

Well, I just want to say thank you to all our guests, Sandy, Alicia, and last but certainly not least, Fraser Olander.

Thank you to all of them for joining us.

Don't forget tomorrow, it's a very special, very awesome going deeper.

James Gunn joins us.

First of all, this is reality TV super fan, also director, writer.

of Superman, Peacemaker, head of DC Studios, one of the most powerful men in Hollywood.

sits down with us tomorrow.

We'll see you then.

And on Thursday, don't forget, we have Lucy and Daniel, kind of a he said, she said as back-to-back interviews because they don't want to be in the same room together.

That is Thursday.

Plus, we'll get into OC and some Real Housewives of Miami.

Also, did I read somewhere that Real Housewives of London premiered?

Yeah.

I feel like that's going to be good.

It's going to be a big.

It's on Haiyu.

It's going to be huge for Natalie's impression.

Huge for my impression.

Can we not get it on Peacock?

It's not on Peacock?

I'm pretty pretty sure it's just on Haiyu.

We're going to actually have to feel how the people who watch on top of the promo subsidiary of

in the UK area.

Europe.

It's making it too hard.

Peacock, go international.

I'm pretty sure that was like the whole drama, but it's to promote Haiyu, too.

Anyway, well, probably won't be watching it then, I guess.

We'll see you tomorrow.

Bye.

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