E983 - Perfect Match w/ Sandy, Susie Evans Returns, The Valley, Hot Takes, & Love Island Reunion Theories

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What's going on, everybody?

Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files.

I am your host, Nick.

I got the household with me.

We got Mary, Sierra.

Are you here?

Technically, yeah.

Yeah, he is.

Never really knows,

Leia is also here.

We do have Susie

here.

Hello, hello.

We had so much fun with Susie the other day that we're like, you want to come back sometimes?

She's like, sure.

Yeah.

We'd love it.

We're going to be doing some fun things with Susie going forward.

Also, like, like, well, we'll get into it briefly, but your ex,

Jeremy.

I was like, which one?

Oh, gosh.

I would say that by the way, I was like, anyway,

I definitely say that with a lot of sarcasm because nothing cringes me more than when people on this show, The Bachelor, refer to other people as their ex because they did whatever the fuck on a TV show.

A conversation.

Or even more.

A date, a date, or a fantasy suite.

Even, honestly, I know.

Yes, 100%.

Let me tell you, I have strong feelings about that.

Anyway,

as you can see, Natalie is not with us.

There's no really easy way to talk about this.

So I'll share a little bit.

Sadly,

Natalie and I are experiencing, well, I don't know.

See, it's even me.

See you, dear.

Yeah, you are.

Sadly, Natalie experienced another miscarriage.

It is her third this year, our third this year.

It's a, I know, there's no really good way to say it fucking sucks.

And so she's obviously at home resting, healing, both physically and emotionally.

You know, we experienced it the first time, but, you know, you don't really know how to talk about it.

But we want to be vulnerable with you guys.

And obviously Natalie's such a big part of the show, my partner in life and on the show and my co-host.

And obviously when she's not here, people notice.

And so we certainly wanted to at least be open with you guys.

But yeah, it's definitely a little bit of a scary time just because, you know, for those people who have experienced something like this, you know, when it happens the first time, the doctors and everyone kind of acknowledge that while terrible, this is something that can happen.

And everyone's just like, not freaked, you know, don't freak out.

There's nothing wrong.

This sadly can be a part of this process.

And then it happened the second time.

And, you know, obviously we have a lot of amazing blessings in our life.

You know, the first and foremost being river and, you know, minus like some morning sickness and things like that.

We were, you know, we were very lucky to have a very, yeah, fairly easy pregnancy, you know, both with just obviously just river, you know, just like

really no complications, which was such an amazing blessing.

And despite what's going on right now with us, our, our doctor keeps reminding us that that is the best sign of our, you know, a future ability to grow our family.

But right now, obviously, there's a little bit of uneasiness with it's not, it's, it's far less normal

to have two and three back to back.

And so now, now we're kind of in that very scary process of running tests and finding out more about ourselves.

And it's like this weird thing of like you want them to find something, but you don't want them to find something because if they find something, you know, and you don't know what that means.

It's all we're in this kind of very uncharted territory of fact-finding, which

sucks.

And obviously, what Natalie is going through is, you know, very, you know, I think all women out there who have experienced this, I've had a front row seat.

You know, certainly I'm experiencing it.

It's just very different

for Natalie, who at the moment when we find out we're pregnant or when we find out she's pregnant, there's an immediate bond and a connection that I think is very unique for mothers.

And then, obviously, like, you know, I think for the dads out there, you really just, you're, you're trying to strike this balance between being,

you know, grieving yourself, but also just keeping life together and keeping the family going.

And like, you know, it's, it's tough because, again, like back when we shared

the first time, it really, it's just like you, and I get it, like, for the the people who've never experienced it, it's it's not, it's

not that everyone cares, but no, it's not the same, you know.

And I think for people who do experience it, there's a tragedy there that makes you feel very alone.

And I think obviously that's something Natalie is going through right now.

Um, anyway, I don't want to spend too much time on it.

I really just wanted to be transparent with you guys because I know I don't want you, I know she wasn't there yesterday, people started to notice.

We're already getting messages with like a lot of concern.

So, overall Natalie is doing okay physically and healing and she's okay in that respect and emotionally we're just we're currently dealing with with that this whole like experience obviously has been very difficult and this one in particular

for those of you who listened you guys know that as a family we had the stomach flu and that even before that Natalie you know talked about having pukes before and at the time obviously we weren't ready to talk about it we didn't want to announce it because of obviously

but when you're pregnant,

as is often, you know, women who know this and Natalie experienced morning sickness her first pregnancy, like the one thing that's is always the like,

but it's a really good sign because, like, when you have these symptoms, it's usually they tell you it's a sign of the, you know, the, it's a healthy pregnancy, your hormones are changing, so whatever's going on, you know, and this time around,

she was experiencing some of those similar symptoms.

And because obviously this time we kind of, it's,

we came in with a lot of like uneasiness about getting excited.

It felt like a lot of things were going in the right direction.

We had our first doctor visit, still thinking everything was going great and expecting this time to be different.

And sadly, it wasn't.

So that was particularly hard.

I was very much trying not to, you know, again, it's very much, it's different, obviously, from the moms out there.

And as a dad, it's easier for me to like not tell myself not to get excited until, you know, you feel like you have a right or a reason to get excited um or it's safe to get excited um but i think obviously for natalie and i assume for a lot of other moms out there it's impossible not to feel that connection with your child as soon as you find out um you're pregnant so it's tough it's been a whirlwind and um you know we're trying to get through it as a family and and um we will and i think part of this challenge

you know, is still appreciating what we have and having river and life goes on and show, you know, we have a lot of of privileges in our life and we know that and um

and feeling like it's okay to to move on and laugh and you know even like guilt around like me being here and like now you know it's like it's all very confusing about how you're supposed to mourn something like this

and things like that so anyway uh we appreciate your support i am genuinely i always want to say truly yeah so sorry Yeah, it's like not a fun.

I don't know.

Yeah, devastating.

But, I mean, it's beautiful that you guys share with your audience and stuff.

Yeah.

Because people relate.

I think people don't even realize.

That has been the one, I'm not, it's not a but, but when we share that episode early in the year, when we really, we, you know, and if anyone who is also going through this, our heart goes out to you.

Natalie and I, the first time we experienced this, we did, again, do it, we did a going deeper episode a while back.

And we, you know, I was very nervous releasing that.

It was obviously very

great to hear.

Even now we still hear people um

who share their appreciation for that that episode and that

is the smallest of silver linings but

anyway i think it affects a lot of people so you know so she's like what did i walk into we're here for you no yeah

i mean i genuinely like i'm feeling like i'm holding back tears right now because i'm just like like that's just so much to process but i'm like for you guys you know yeah river really helps yeah me for sure.

And Natalie, but there's, there's just a lot of emotional questions, not knowing what to say and how to say it.

And there's no right way, but you guys are going through it together.

And I think just knowing that you're there for her with support, it's all you can do, you know?

Absolutely.

But Natalie says hi to you guys.

She will be back soon.

And I'm sure when she's back, you know, she'll share a little bit.

But

yeah.

Well, our hearts are going out to her and I hope she's resting and

everything will work out.

So no really easy way to transition from that.

But we're going to still try to have some fun today.

Obviously, like,

you know, I know, I guess you get better at dealing with grief through some comedy.

I don't know.

Sometimes you have to laugh to not cry.

All right.

We're going to do a hard shift here.

All right.

We're going to

all right.

Ready, ready?

Like, now we can start laughing.

Thanks, Leia.

Andy had shared a live update from the reunion clarifying for everybody that was concerned that Huda was not at the reunion.

She was there.

I wasn't concerned.

I'll be honest.

I feel like there's a lot of 17-year-old anonymous accounts out there who are, you know, very anti-Huda or whatever.

Like, I'm telling you, like, Love Island, its fan base has replaced Tumblr from 2004.

Oh, that's so real.

I missed it.

You know, like all the 17, 18, 19-year-old girlies out there, like deep in their emotions, like smart, young

women who like, you know, know how to articulate themselves, 10 years more emotionally mature than their peers.

Yes.

Yeah.

Their male peers at 17, and they just, but they need to get it out.

And so they write online.

And that used to be Tumblr.

Yeah, it was Tumblr.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And now it's just like the internet and it's TikTok and Twitter and, you know.

Who's dating who, who's growing up with who and why, even though none of us were there.

You know, and they're just in their feels.

And I feel like I think we next next season, I think we need to remind ourselves of that right right and stop responding to the like

you know the madness the trolls who are like trying to get you to think that huda might not show up and they don't you know yeah anyways glad she's there i do think if anyone is going to hold anyone accountable because i think for the hood of critics out there um there seems to be a lot of lack of accountability uh she obviously has a huge fan base um and that fan base is up there supporting her telling her to like ignore the hater so to speak and i think yeah we'll see.

You know, do we know, is she still, is she still with Louis?

Is that the vibe?

Are they still together as far as

I know?

Yeah.

Can I just say?

And I will get into Perfect Match later.

We do have a great episode for you.

Obviously, Susie is here to have some fun with us.

Sandy from Perfect Match will be with us.

Louie's X, in teasing terms.

Louie's X.

Oh, oh, my God.

I was like, wait, what?

Oh, yeah.

In teasing terms, yes.

Yeah.

Fair.

Other than

other than Freddy, who was on our Reality Recap episode yesterday, if anyone cares to listen, go back and listen.

We also had Brian on yesterday.

I missed it.

And we had Lisa Hochstein.

Lisa Hoxtein.

Also known as Lisa Hochstein.

We thought it was Steen.

Turns out it was Stein.

I swear, Bravo told me it was Steen.

Yeah.

Well, I still don't know if it's Ariana or Ariana.

There, fair enough.

Between Tom and Tom, they both called him her differently.

Is it Vile?

Is it Vile?

Who knows?

Like, you know, English language.

So real.

I didn't know Lisa was Jewish.

Lenny.

Yeah.

Lenny.

Lenny.

My husband.

Husband.

She's Jewish.

Jewish.

Yes.

I love Louie.

You love Louie?

I do too.

Yeah.

I don't, you know, my introduction to Louie was him being Huda's side piece and then the drama of the Love Island season six versus Huda, whatever that was.

I don't know if it's a versus Vassus.

We

just That was like a minute.

That was good.

That was really good.

But who knows?

But I fuck with Louie.

Louis is like, I don't know how old Louie is.

24.

24.

Okay.

So

he's a good-looking guy who's 24 who just wants to fuck.

And you know what?

Honestly, good for him.

And he's honest and he's upfront.

He doesn't fuck around.

All these other guys, like this classic thing that a lot of these men do,

whatever, it's like they don't, they want to pretend to be the good guys.

They want to, like, it's the internal monologue of these young men who are like, I want to settle down

someday.

Yeah.

And someday means 35 in their head.

They don't really know, right?

But like, and so while they're dating, they want all the women they date to be like, oh my God, like you are like husband material in 10 years, whatever.

And so they kind of operate in this whole like.

bizarro world of like thinking of themselves as like unproblematic men.

And so when they get like, you know, when they're dealing with adversity, that's when they do all the bullshit, right?

They'll kind of like they, they, the maybe's, the will sees.

And Louis is kind of like, he's pretty direct and he's pretty straightforward.

And he understands people might be upset with him or whatever.

But he's like, I'm 24 and I'm hot and I have a British accent and I'm fuck.

And I don't, I got no problem with that.

I hate that that makes perfect sense.

No, I'm, I'm obsessed.

I mean, not like not interested, but I'm obsessed in the sense that I'm like, 10 years from now, he is going to be so ready.

He's going to be a good guy.

He's on.

I feel like honesty is like the biggest part of it.

Straightforward.

Straightforward.

Yeah, he's not ready to settle down, but like he's not trying to fool anybody is how I see it.

And I'm like watching him on the show and I'm like, I'm here for it.

I mean, he's the youngest one.

He's probably the least ready for marriage.

I'm going to pat myself on the back.

But I've always operated that way from the youngest, ever since I was like a young man, just a little bit of game.

An honest fuckboy.

I was.

I was always an honest fuckboy.

And like the young, you know, when I was a young man, and then we'd be, I'd be in a dating situation and there'd always be like,

I feel like back, you know, I'm only the tongue click there was like always there was always like a there was always like a hey before we do this I feel like the the ladies back in the day when stuff was going down they felt like compelled to say well what are we yeah what's are we

I'm you know because they don't internally they want to make sure like I think women today even now deal with this whole like you know double standard society like labeling them slut shaming things like that so that internal like they don't necessarily feel empowered to like say you know let's just around have some fun and well i would be prompted with the question of like so what is this and i'll be like what do you what are we and i always be like i always just kind of like thought maybe it's some fun

just here for a good time just here for a good time yeah like i yeah it means nothing else yeah and i would it was always be there was

i'll always like in college i was always like

No, yeah, cool.

You know, like,

like you're supposed to be offended.

Right.

I think people just, they just want fucking honesty.

But they respect honesty.

I feel like if you can be honest, we can respect you.

That's how I see it.

Yeah.

And I think that's Louie.

That's my read on Louie.

Do you think Louie had a honest conversation with Huda about like not ready to be a stepdad?

Oh.

Yeah, I don't think.

I don't know.

Everything I just said aside, I have no idea.

That's so fair.

How to operate in Hudda's

world.

I don't.

It's just a point.

It's like he could even maybe say that and she

might still assume that he is, even if he's not ready, he is going to be a stud.

Yeah, she might not be able to hear it.

Yeah.

Like, yeah, that could be, that's very possible.

It said to her, but right.

Yeah.

But we don't know.

We don't know.

But anyways, it's, I'm sure it'll be a very entertaining August 25th, I believe it drops.

They had a dinner break.

Is that something that is

all reunions take a long fucking time?

Yeah, they have to have meal breaks.

They have 57 people.

I mean, I've heard of like

they're covering 30 episodes.

That's true.

There's a lot to get.

There's a lot of topics.

And

almost certainly we're going to feel like they didn't cover anything.

Yeah.

Right.

Because, you know, what's the longest?

They didn't do like a two-part special last time.

It was a one-off.

Maybe they'll change that.

Who knows?

I kind of feel like with like Andy and everyone being involved, I think it'll be like a little clearer because I feel like the reunion last year was kind of a waste.

I feel like we spent 20 minutes watching a clip that we talked about all season, but didn't need to watch for the reunion.

So I'm like, I feel like it's going to be a little bit more like fast-paced and straight to the point.

I agree, though.

I think that that'll be good.

I think that'll be better for the audience.

Cause yeah, I just you saying that I'm like, oh, yeah, we did sit there and watch a 20-minute clip.

Everyone was like, what was that?

I will just never forget Ariana being like to Rob, where it was like all of the Leah stuff and like everything that had gone on.

He had like five different partners and she was like, the question we all want to know.

Right.

Are you still wearing the overalls?

And I was like, nope, no Andy in the building.

Do you think we're going to get some like never seen before footage that Cass doesn't even know?

And then, like, them bring up.

I hope so.

Yeah, we didn't get movie night.

Yeah.

So that would be great.

Could you imagine?

I hope the producers are messy as fuck.

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Anywho, Taylor Swift dropping a new album

on her booze podcast.

I'm just like, the only, the biggest takeaway for me selfishly is that taylor swift decided to go on a podcast to announce her album and i think that's just a big moment for everyone in podcasting yeah let's just be real huge that's a huge but it's true yeah

this is a really big day for the podcast community guys we are we are it we are it yeah no we

we are the media you know what i'm saying literally that's terrifying if taylor swift is announcing her album on a podcast no i'm serious yeah and i'm just going to put it out there well i think she loves tea rabbits T.

Ravis.

She is a businesswoman, first and foremost.

Yeah.

And if she didn't think this was good for biz, I don't think she'd do it.

Because I don't think, like, Travis needs it.

Nope.

Like,

she's been dating for a really long time, and she hasn't gone on the show yet.

So.

Yeah, but she's dated other people and sound like she made cameos on their TV shows or movies.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, she doesn't know.

She would have done it.

She's Taylor Swift.

She could drop an album at midnight and it'll still go like 500 triple platinum just because she's Taylor Swift.

Everyone is deeply in love with their partner to the point they want to work, sleep, and do everything with him, like me and Natalie.

You know what I'm saying?

Like not everyone is that in love.

Yeah.

And that's no disrespect to anyone else who's not us.

Fair.

I feel like this means like they are in it for the long haul because one, it is good for business, but it's good for his business too.

I thought about this.

Like they definitely are going to get engaged now.

Either that or they already are.

Or they already are.

Like there is no, or they're already married for all we know.

Like, I don't know.

No, I don't think.

Does you think?

she would, yeah, she doesn't seem secret wedding to me.

I kind of feel like I wouldn't be shocked by that.

Like, you know what I mean?

Like, and even then she could be married now and be like, you know what?

In a couple of years, if I want to have a huge blowout, whatever.

They've been pretty, they've been a very generous couple for the most part when it comes to their relationship and sharing it.

And like, you know, post-Super Bowl win, Travis Kelsey on-field PDA and things like that.

Let's just give us the fucking royal wedding.

I agree.

I agree.

This is, this is.

I'm serious.

Like, how would this be any, how would this be any less watched than when Princess Diana and Charles R.I.P.

Diana got married?

Like, how, if they wanted to do like the royal wedding,

like, this would be all the networks

for the people still watching.

This might bring back network TV.

When the president makes a speech and like...

Everything might go out the window.

Remember when you were a kid and you turned on the TV and your favorite TV show and like every channel was the press?

And you're like, I don't give a fuck.

I don't, you know.

That's this.

We could do that.

yeah

why not the thing about Taylor Swift is I do think if she's gonna get married like she is such a like marketing girly that like if she does get married I do see there being like an entire rollout an album to go alongside with it like the wedding album right the wedding area

I don't know if Danny used our wedding to drop an album I'd be kind of like really

I mean we need to like I want it to be about but this is Taylor it's about love but like, I don't know.

It's being broadcast.

They're getting paid.

And I'd be like, then you've cracked the code to the wedding industry.

The first, like, to get paid to get married on national television.

I would do that.

Well, it would be honestly like a.

She's not going to give charity.

Like, oh, everybody gets a free business.

She would be a true trailblazer to the, you know, the influencers of the world.

Like, you know, when Lindsay Hubber got roasted for like announcing her pregnancy via like a pregnancy test?

Yeah.

When I was like, get your bag.

Yeah.

Good for you.

Well, Nick, don't they give you money, Like the bachelor franchise, they'll give people money sometimes to get married on camera.

I mean, like, that hasn't happened.

And yeah, I think they have like the first, if you, if you find the relationship on the show, I think they get like the first offer at being like, hey, we'll pay you this much to come on whatever thing.

There's something in our contracts that we sign where it's just like, if we give a fuck about your relationship

and you want to get married on TV, it's already kind of prearranging your shitty contract.

It's more free wedding rather than you get paid.

Right.

But I actually don't know that Taylor Swift, like, I don't know.

It would be a really fine line of like broadcasting your wedding, but also in a lot of ways, yes, they're generous, but they're also like kind of private.

That's how I feel.

I feel like I just, I could see it going either way where it's like she wants people to feel included, but at the same time, she is, I don't know.

I feel like it's very different.

Just do the thing a lot of our friends do, where it's like, we're going to have a private ceremony.

Yeah.

And then we're going to have a party.

Yeah.

So do the, what would you rather see?

The ceremony of the party?

The party.

The party.

Well, I need clips of both.

I'm gonna be honest Yeah ceremony I'm like I don't know well because you know there's gonna be like a couple outfit changes So do you want to do you want to see the the gown or do you want to see the party?

I don't need to see the whole thing because I I won't be sitting there for that either I never woke up for a royal wedding in my life, but like I would like to see the like them getting ready the like her mom putting her dress together her like walking down the like I don't need to hear everything but I would like to see the like packaged I want to know who's fighting behind the scenes.

I want to know the family.

I don't think there would be.

I don't know if there would be.

There's always drama at a wedding.

there's always drama at a wedding but it's like not for like the people that are in the wedding it's like you guys have to find out like oh wait so-and-so did what at my wedding yeah wait that's what i want to see at taylor yeah i mean like

there would be like a million guests there like somebody doesn't get along with somebody but i feel like the kelseys and the swifts are like the nicest people is what i've seen so i'm like would there be a fight like i feel like both families are so nice there's always drama nothing i was gonna say not like a fight but there's always like whether it's something between the bridesmaids whether it's like a guest kristen dotie punching james at sheena's at sheen's wedding.

I mean, we had our drama at our wedding that was had nothing to do with things like that.

That's where I'm like, there's little things that like none of us would know about from a package wedding video.

But yeah, like that's where I'm like, I would want to know like the little things that went on that aren't really that big of a deal.

I don't think anyone's getting punched at a Taylor Swift wedding, but like, if so, I would love to hear about it.

Exactly.

Although, yeah, you're right.

There's also like tons of football players.

So, like, lots of testosterone.

What if, like, Andy Reed gets into some like major, major drama?

I will have a friend at the wedding when if

we really cite her tea oh wow have them on the pod see that's the thing I'm like I feel like Taylor Swift would have people sign an NDA for her wedding but then I'm also 100% but then I'm like would we see it that's so that gives private you still make them sign an NDA even if it's televised right that doesn't make any sense if that's true there's a we're gonna show what we want to show and you don't get to you know what I'm saying so then that would be like yeah it would be like no phones no yeah

people living in the moment people will take photos and post anything and get

send that to a magazine, whatever it is.

I don't know, I think it would be tough to be Taylor Swift getting married and figuring out the right, right way to go.

Yeah, that's so true.

At that point, I might just have like a secret wedding.

Yeah, 12 people in the backyard, a whitman.

It kind of sounds easier after all this, you know, right?

Now that we've talked about it, like, I'd elope.

Yeah.

Like, announce it on a podcast and a new album.

In other news, we have a little bachelor in paradise.

Jeremy is is attempting to clear his name.

So why can't I say Jeremy?

Jeremy.

It's just not how you say Jeremy.

So, okay, okay, let's try it in the spirit of phonetics that we've been talking about in this episode.

I do have a problem with English.

Jare.

Jer.

Me.

Is there an A?

How do you say it?

Jeremy.

It's an E, but Jeremy.

There's an extra Jeremy.

J-E-R-E-M-Y.

Jeremy.

Jeremy.

Jeremy.

I think you might have to say it with like the extra syllable, Jeremy.

I really put the little extra emphasis on that.

Yeah.

Jeremy.

Not a great name.

You could call it.

That's my daughter's name.

Doesn't make it good.

I mean, listen, my last name's Sex.

I mean, I like my mom Niall Vial.

Yeah.

Listen, like, I'm still not completely sure.

No, I get confused every time.

Maybe I'm marry.

What's going on there?

And I'm scared.

My last mom's name.

Mother of Christ.

So religious, you know?

Mother of Christ, whatever.

Down my throat.

I know.

When I was little, I was convinced I was going to like literally.

No, I was convinced that like I would just get pregnant out of like nothing.

Oh, wow, like

immaculate.

I thought I was gonna be the next, and my dad's a pastor.

So, like, when you introduce yourself, you're like, hi, I'm Mary, or people are like, oh, my God.

I mean, no, I think when they find out my dad's a pastor, and but it was my grand, my mom's mom's name was Mary, so I was named after her.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, anyway, and it just worked because my

dad's kids have like religious names or whatever, anyway.

And then I turned out like this, so I mean, names only just for age.

Anyways, Jeremy.

jeremy uh took to instagram yesterday and posted slides from his time with bachelor and bachelor in paradise with bailey and said watch why is they why aren't they this is the this is the picture he led with yeah this is the first picture uh-huh are they on their way to heaven

he said vibes all right anyways what did susie's ex say uh susie's ex said watching the past few weeks back has been tough a lot of what's aired doesn't show the full story the small meaningful moments are important conversations that brought bailey and i closer our relationship grew so much beyond the 0.1% of what's shown on TV.

But unfortunately, so much of the focus has been on a small part of what we actually experienced in Paradise.

My time on the beach wasn't perfect, there were many ups and downs, and I'll own the mistakes I made.

At the end of the day, only Bailey and I know the reality of what we went through, and I hope people can respect that.

I don't really know what he's asking for, though.

Like, just like no more criticism.

My take is that he posted this so that he could sneak this photo in.

Yeah, I'm not sure what this photo has anything to do with.

Yeah.

I've definitely been guilty of that for sure.

Like there's a hot pic of you and you're like, how can I not make this about me, but like slide this in?

How can I like casually slide this in so that everyone will see it, but it's not the first picture.

Wait, that's it.

Instead, we're going to go with that.

Can you scroll to the last photo, Leia, just because I'm like, I just don't understand why this wasn't the first?

I agree.

That's a fabulous photo.

It's the same outfits.

It's the same today.

Do you think he's trying to go like aesthetic?

Well, we know that Bailey had nothing to do with this post.

No.

Yeah.

Instagram.

Bailey is like the.

She works in social media.

She literally came on the show and says, I'm an influencer.

No, no, but she's good at the selfies.

And I will say, I'm a little stalker.

So I went to hers because I wanted to see if she reposted it.

I'm just doing that right now.

She didn't.

She didn't.

She posted something else.

She reposted.

She's a shared cast.

Multiple cast members post that day and not jeremy's but i don't know maybe they don't want to give away that they could possibly be still together kathy man i i will say i messaged bailey i mean we're cool we we follow each other and i did say because i was seeing like so much of the jeremy susie and i was like hey i just have to say when i was on the date with jeremy i knew he wasn't picking me like obviously I guess I want to be careful of saying stuff that like didn't air, but I'm like, but we had a conversation.

I don't want to hear you.

I think for my sake, I'm like, okay, I don't don't want to say too much, but I'm like, I remember a conversation with him where he didn't, he never said like, oh, I'm not going to pick you, but I was like, it was very clear that he was like, I have been growing something with Bailey.

We've been, you know, we've been here for longer.

I'm actually shocked at like finding somebody so quickly.

Like, I remember being like, okay, so I'm going home.

Like, and that's like, that's cool.

I respect it, you know?

But I told her that because I was like, obviously that stuff doesn't make the cut.

And it's just like this whole thing about me and Jeremy.

But, but I mean, I felt it when I was there.

I I was like yeah, like I don't have a chance I think that also adds like a lot of context to Jeremy's crash out because like not knowing that that like he was really fully in on Bailey It literally does look like from the edit that he was almost all in on you and like compensated with Bailey regardless of why he did what he did when he confessed his love to Susie Maybe he's just reacting to the hurt that because Bailey went on the date because Bailey went on a date, but just the problem that I think everyone has with how Jeremy has handled this is he just has never really just owned it.

You know, it's always like, I didn't think it was a big deal.

Obviously, this show is edited.

I'm sure from Jeremy's point of view,

what the fuck is that?

Jare Rennie.

Jare Renbunny.

I think you just lean into Jeremy.

I think you do.

Can you guys honestly stop correcting me and we just know who I'm talking about?

And if you know, you know.

You just say Jeremy and I just repeat it because I think it's funny and charming.

To be clear, I'm not talking shit when I say it.

I just, I just thought, I mean, did you guys intentionally spell his name wrong on that on that post the other day?

Oh, no.

Well,

no, did we spell it wrong?

Yes.

Wait, you guys aren't familiar with this?

I think he corrected you guys on your post.

Did he?

Yeah.

Which I thought was so funny.

I thought it was so funny of everybody.

I was like, oh, this is this is a T.

I think, you know, like when we interviewed Brian, listen, I get it's new for all these people.

Well, he

Jeremy

has done T V before.

But like, yeah, I think they all want their cake and eat it too, right?

They, you know, it's the whole main character thing.

Clayton, he's going on perfect match, thinking he's a good guy.

And I think Clayton is a good guy, but like sometimes, like, you chose to go on the show.

You chose to, you know, how this shit works.

And he is trying to, like, I think the biggest criticism we have as fans is sometimes when they try to edit themselves or dictate the narrative.

Listen, whether you were in love with Susie or mad at Bailey, you did this shit and then you tried to like handle it the way you wanted to handle it best for yourself, which, and he chose to like not tell Bailey

and told other people.

And regardless of how deep it was or wasn't, like, that's what everyone is responding to.

Yeah.

Right.

The guy who, and, and Jeremy, come, you know, presents himself as someone who's like, you know, we hear from his friends.

He, he's like, he's a straight shooter.

He's sarcastic.

You know, he's, you know, he's taking naps, whatever.

But like, you know, he, he, he portrays himself as like a no bullshit guy, but he's just been full of bullshit, you know, and it's just more like he's up in people's, like, we get it, man.

We get it.

I understand like everything we're seeing.

I'm sure there's some context missing or whatever.

Maybe when you said you wanted to get engaged in Susie, it was like one of his sarcastic jokes that Brian is just like deciding to like run with.

Run with and just not back down because he doesn't want to be called a liar.

Whatever the fuck, we like everyone is going to accept him and Bailey if they're really together.

Minus, again, like if he's if he's in the comments and trying to change everyone's mind online, that's just like a recipe for disaster.

But like, Jeremy, we get it.

Like, you're like, if you assume you guys are together, we think you're visiting here in Portugal.

We're rooting for you guys.

But in the meantime, while this show is airing and you did your shit, we're going to respond to that.

And in this post, this post isn't like, hey, listen, I fucked up.

I could have handled it a lot better.

I wasn't straightforward with anyone.

I handled it inappropriately.

If I could go back, I would have just been up front.

None of this whole like, you're not seeing things, but like we're not seeing the important stuff.

We get it.

You weren't in the editing room and the editors aren't picking your favorite moments.

Right.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, that's all his post is saying is like, you know, you need to see my favorite moments, our favorite moments.

If we were editing this show, so post.

That's why you have the power of a platform.

And that's why you guys, going forward, as I tell like every person who goes on these shows, like the good news is, whatever happened, now you're in charge of your edit.

So like handle yourself accordingly, you know.

And right now, Jeremy's edit that he's in charge of right now, kind of is the same as his bachelor edit, if you're asking me, which is kind of like kind of making excuses, towing the line, you know, like kind of like arguing like stupid little things.

It just be like, yeah, I, I'm not

that upfront.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, it was like a big thing for me was, and I don't think it's really been talked about, but it was just the fact that he woke up from the nap after Bailey was freaking out.

And then he came out, talked to people, and then went back to bed where I was like, I thought he was going to go talk to Bailey.

Yeah.

And whatever happened or didn't happen, Jeremy definitely said, I didn't think it was that big of a deal.

And Bailey showed us that it was.

In the moment, maybe she's over it.

She's now defending him.

She's gotten over it because, you know, cooler heads prevailed.

And she, you know, a mature woman that Bailey clearly is, was, you know, got out of her ego and got out of the whole like, well, I can't believe you.

And it's the principle of it.

She didn't like break up with a good guy that she likes because of like some TV mistake in a moment of like confusion or passion.

She, they work through it.

Good.

Yeah.

But that doesn't change the fact that he handled it shitty.

Yep.

And that we're processing it now.

I think that's a big part that people forget who are on the show, even myself.

It's like, okay, I relived or I lived this months ago and now I have to relive it and deal with the consequences all over again, which sucks, but you kind of have to lean in and be like, okay, everyone's just now learning about this and processing it for the first time now.

So you kind of got to like ride the ride with them, you know?

Because it's hard.

Oh, yeah, sure.

Because there are some you leaning in.

Yeah, I was going to say that.

You controlling your narrative has been very fun to watch.

Here's a video that Susie posted poking fun at the phone call.

Hello?

It's over.

I tell my wife, who believe this.

What did your caption say?

Actual footage of me getting the phone call in the Costa Rican airport.

That's awesome.

Yeah,

listen, I, and maybe it just comes with practice.

I don't know.

This is only your second time on the TV show.

Yeah, I think I'm just like sick in the head.

I think that's what it is.

Also, I got lucky.

I got lucky.

I got out of there quick.

You know, there wasn't a lot to work with for me.

No, but you've always, I mean, shit, I remember the first time meeting you, and that was like you coming from AFR, from that like fuck show of an AFR, where you were like arguably one of the more hated people online in that moment.

And you were just like a star and you came in under like

you got it, right?

And I just mean like there's just a level of again, main character syndrome that all these people have where there's a little bit of a disconnect between like going on a TV show

and just like, and I'm not saying all the things are fair and right, and that the internet isn't a prick.

I just think if you're gonna

do an unserious show,

you can't be so serious.

You can't take yourself seriously.

And I say this as someone who, like, listen, like, there's the other side of it is like, these people are like, it's real life for them.

And a lot of the emotions I experienced on the show were my real feelings.

They're all real feelings and they were personal.

But you do have to learn

the side of like kind of making fun of yourself a little bit or a fun fun of a silly situation.

And if you can just own that, like it's just, it lands so much better with people because you will never win with the internet.

The people that Jeremy is trying to argue with in the comments don't want to be convinced that they're wrong.

Right.

And he's wasting his energy trying to convince, like, he's arguing with probably 17-year-olds.

And all he has to do is just make a funny joke, make a little ha-ha about, like, well, that was a bad look, wasn't it?

And it would be like, we'd be like, yeah, yeah, it was, Jeremy.

You know what I mean?

That's accountability and a little humor.

Right.

But I'm like, when you go into it, like, I've taken this road very seriously.

It's like you're on Bachelor and Paradise competing for $500,000.

Like, let's not, let's not make this seem like it was a life or death decision and that we're all coming at you so hard.

Like.

All right.

Well, it is time for the Mint Mobile Hot Take Hotline.

We're bringing it back because it was so much fun the first time.

And we have been doing this for a long time, sharing our hot takes, but it's nice to finally hear from you guys, the fans, the extension of our household to get your opinions about all the shows that we are covering all right so we got two hot takes and then we'll jump into a little valley reunion and then we'll get to uh our guest our star of today's episode sandy is with us so without further ado the mint mobile hot take hotline and if you want to share your hot take don't forget to call 1-855-mint tlk that's 855-646-8855.

Anyways, our first hot take is right now.

So my hot take, I'm not sure if it will get shared because I feel like you guys are kind of close with these people, but probably two years ago you guys had Justin Glaze on the show and this was back when he and Susie and Andrew were all hanging out

and you guys asked him this way at this point Andrew and Susie were putting out a lot of content together and people were kind of like you know shipping really shipping them together thought that they were the couple

And you guys asked Justin, like, what's the tea?

What's going on?

And he responded and was just like, well, I'm just basically just trying to be a supportive friend, just trying to be there for Susie, whatever, you know, whatever she decides she wants.

So my hot take is that she and Andrew actually made the more sense of a couple and had the better connection instead of she and Justin.

Y'all are sick for this.

Y'all are sick and Justin.

Total coincidence.

Yeah, surely.

That's sweet.

This is a real hot take from one of our callers.

It happened to be one of our favorites.

I love that.

That's a really funny hot take.

I mean, I mean, I don't.

I'm picturing when you guys became friends, like playing Spin the Bottle one day, and then like,

what's that?

What's that movie with

Zendaya?

The tennis movie that she's in.

Challengers.

Yes.

And I'm picturing Susie on the edge of the bed with Angela and Justin.

Did you make them kiss?

The boys?

Yeah.

Of course.

I will be making that in Canvas.

Oh, my gosh.

Y'all, my heart is racing.

I did not know what that was about to say.

And I was like, where is this going?

But that's really funny.

I love Andrew.

I think he's like one of the funniest people.

You guys obviously love him here, too.

He's hysterical.

But yeah, that's just the way the cookie grumbled, you know?

I think it sounds like Andrew's with Alex still.

I think so.

I was kind of getting that vibe.

I was getting that vibe.

They're so cute on the show.

Right?

Yeah.

I really like that.

I want to see more.

No.

Hot take number two?

Yeah.

I mean, I guess you put that to bed.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Was there anything between you and Andrew?

No.

There was nothing.

Never

anything.

Never.

I know.

I didn't think there was anything between me and Justin either, though.

I was like, these guys do not care.

So if Andrew does come out single, is there any universe where it could still happen?

That's giving the Summer I Turn Pretty vibes.

It's like going to interact with stuff running.

That's giving high school.

And I am watching the Summer I Turn Pretty high school.

I mean, I just need real life Summer I Turn Pretty vibes.

That would be real life the Summer I Turn Pretty.

Like, that would be crazy.

Start calling me Sally.

Belly?

Yes.

That's funny.

Okay.

All right.

I think we have another hot take.

Okay.

Hi, Nick and friends and Natalie.

I love Natalie.

I think she says gorgeous.

Anyways.

My hot take is that reality TV isn't going to be reality TV if we stop, in quotes, platforming bad reality TV men.

Because if you really think about it, the Valley, or not The Valley, Vanderpump would not be Vanderpump without Jax and the scandal of season two or Scandival with Tom.

Southern Charm would be nothing without Thomas Ravenal.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, yeah, we don't want to platform them.

Obviously, we don't want to be like, they're great people, but I don't think reality TV would be what it was without them.

I mean, obviously we have housewives and women can definitely step up and handle that.

But I enjoy watching terrible men do terrible things because I think it puts a highlight on real life situations.

I think it's so entertaining.

And I honestly don't know what the shows would be without them.

I mean, there's The Valley with Danny, and like, he's such a great guy.

We love him, but would it really be that entertaining if everybody wasn't coming against him and he was having, like, not having to, you know, fight for his character?

I mean, obviously, it's really hard to watch, but it gave him a storyline.

So I don't know.

I think it goes both ways.

I struggle with this, but at the same time, I just don't think the shows would be what they are.

I mean, Tom Sandwell went on traders and the man was born for television so I don't know I go back and forth with Jacks but let me know your thoughts love you guys I think that's a great take but I have like I think there's a middle ground my middle ground it's not it's not that yes I this whole cult like the whatever it's kind of an extension of cancel culture where it's just like if you have a problem with someone you deem them as like Morally reprehensible you can't platform them like you have to shun them like you can't interview someone who like people disagree with like I don't I don't subscribe to that and yes on reality TV, I'm not look we're not looking, we want drama.

Yeah.

We want toxicity.

We do.

The problem I have specifically, which is often with Bravo, is that it's only that.

And there's just a constant, you know, like the Jax Taylor of it all.

There's no, there's no arc.

There's no, it's just the same bullshit every time and the Jesse Lolly of it all.

And it's like, I want at least one redeeming guy.

I want, I don't want it to be like all men are fucking pigs and toxic.

And I, or I want, I want characters that have some layers,

you know, that range where it's just like, yeah, they can fuck up and make a selfish decision and then take some accountability.

And then we have a glimpse into like other problems in their life.

Like, all we see with the Valley is interpersonal relationships and drama within the group.

And I think Bravo has gotten a little too deep into that.

Where I think, you know, I wasn't a big housewives fan back in the day, but it used to be back in the day.

The drama wasn't just in the group, it was drama in their lives, their businesses, you know, like this real life drama that like people go through that isn't just about like, well, you said this about me and I said this about you, and we're all fucked up and drunk and whatever.

Or I'm repeating what you said that you didn't actually say.

And now that's the whole story.

And the one

good guy that we think is a good guy, Danny, is like, is just defending, you know, as we'll get into the valley, like whether he's, you know, groping people or things like that.

And it's just a bunch of the assholes who, or the people who seemingly have no redeeming qualities,

trying to bring the people with some redeeming qualities down.

And I think that's the part that people are just fucking sick of.

Yeah.

I don't want to watch people that also have no moral compass try to bring other people down.

And then like, that's just the level that we're staying at.

I need range.

I need somebody starting a company.

I need somebody like talking about the struggles of raising a family or like how, how tough it can be, all the, all the great things about it.

But yeah, I'm constantly just seeing.

Jax is in rehab.

Jax is abusive.

Jesse Lawley is calling his ex-wife a street.

I don't even know.

I know the right word for it.

Prostitute.

Thank you.

but it's like these types of things where i'm like there's not one moment where you leave the valley being like okay well i'm happy for so-and-so yeah you know you're just like okay thank god zach has a one-liner or you know luke comes in as a voice of reason but i'm like so far and few between well it's also it's also like what do we know about zach nothing exactly

for brittany yeah and it's like i think bravo has the tendency sometimes with like the gay people they put on their cast to like have them for drama or have them like in relation with someone else and not give them their own like independent storyline So they seem really toxic and they seem like bad people.

And it's like, well, you're not getting to see who they are as people in their actual relationships outside of the drama on this show.

And then we're stuck trying to decide to like, do we talk about the people whose drama is centered around the people who just are obsessed with people talking about them for the sake of talking about them?

Like all like the Jacks and other people.

Yeah, and I don't like,

that part's annoying.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And so I agree.

I'm like, I, especially when she brought up Thomas Ravenel for a Southern Charm, I'm like, yeah, that's a disgraced congressman having to drop out of the race for a cocaine charge.

Like, you can't write that shit.

No.

It's fucking great.

It's perfect.

And then get someone pregnant, you know, like as he's trying to have his redemption arc.

But again, there was so much more going on that it was like Thomas was like just one part of what made that season so great.

So I'm like, I agree with her, but I definitely agree with Nick that I'm like, there needs to be balance.

You need to show me some highs

if you're going to bring me down to the lows and then just keep me here.

Yeah.

You know, bring bring me back up.

Well, that will do it for today's Mint Mobile Hot Take a Hotline.

And don't forget, we want to hear your scorching hot takes as well.

All you have to do is call 1-855-MINT T-L-K, or if you prefer the numbers, that's 855-646-8855 and leave us a voicemail.

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Well, speaking of toxic men, since we're on the subject, let's get into a little valley reunion part three, putting this dark season to bad.

It's hopefully the last time we'll ever have to talk about fucking Jax Taylor.

Can I ask you, leaving the third part of the reunion, I honestly thought it was more lighthearted and like fun than the entire season.

I kind of enjoyed this episode.

My absolute favorite part was Andy Cohen at the end, where you put Jesse in his place.

And he kind of was like, hey, you want to fucking work here?

This is how this fucking shit works.

You don't get to fucking dictate terms.

I like that he acknowledged that like when they have parties, this is a, it's a, it's a set.

Yeah.

We're making a fucking, we're making a TV show.

You don't get to bring your friends to like, honestly, protect you.

And then have, like, I mean, it is horseshit that Jesse is bringing someone who then sues legal action.

This person, whoever this person is, she fucking sucks.

You want to, you want to come in and be dramatic and then you don't like how it went down and then you get legal representation and then sue the mother of your boyfriend's child.

Like, you're a piece of shit.

Yep.

I don't know who you are, but you're a piece of shit.

And I'm glad that Andy like put Jesse in his place.

And I don't know if Jesse, you know, but like the fact that Jesse looked so small and so like demure in that moment was just like my favorite part of this season.

My little feet were like kicking under the blankets.

I was like, oh my God, I have to watch that again.

That was so great.

Also, also Zach's face being like,

Jesse might as well have responded, yes, sir.

Yeah.

Tail between his legs was like, oh, okay.

He's like, yeah, I would grab your girl and I'd put a microphone on her and sit her right on the couch.

And he goes, because that's how this works.

Yeah.

Wow.

Is that what he said?

He's something, too, where he had productions back to because I think Jesse Jesse was trying to like blame production for it.

And he goes, That's their job.

That's their job.

Yeah.

He's like, they put a boom mic in her face.

It's like, yeah, because she showed up.

She walked into our house.

She showed up to work.

This is your job.

While we're filming, while cameras are up, this is your job.

I'm going to go ahead and guess.

Signed a release.

All right.

Of course.

Yeah.

It's like, and then you're going to like emotionally terrorize.

Jesse's such a piece of shit.

Do we, do we want a little rapid?

Oh, yeah.

Give us that right,

man.

All right.

if you missed the Valley reunion part three this week, do I have a rapid recap for you?

Okay, here's what happened.

Janet says that Danny Darko has made other women uncomfortable in the past, including Brittany, who defends Danny.

But like,

is Brittany the best person to clock a man's inappropriate behavior?

Maybe not.

Jason finally admits that everyone on the stage has issues with alcohol, work found in kitchen, et cetera, et cetera.

Jasmine claims she didn't make up the whack rumors that Jason takes his ring off.

And Leia, can you please play the video for what I have to say to Jason?

Andy asks a diva question to Janet, which is, do you owe Kristen an apology for making you relevant?

To which Kristen responded, you're not that important to fans to be relevant, which is Kristen Don Draper Doty.

Kristen was awesome.

Kristen was awesome.

And he also asked everyone to raise their hands if they thought Janet was a Karen, and nobody did.

That was fucked.

My favorite tweet of the night was someone saying when they asked, I raised my hand in my living room.

They're a dirty motherfucking ones.

Because it was the definition of a Karen where Janet kept saying, like, well, that's the definition of sexual assault.

And it's like,

there's no nuance in that statement.

And like, that's, that's the problem with someone like you who is going to go like and weaponize like the definition of things when maybe that's not what it was.

You're arguing over semantics and over something that is incredibly serious and then painting herself as a victim because like all she's doing is reading a definition.

And I don't know why everyone's coming at me because I know how to read a book.

Yeah.

However, the most important part of the episode was when Jax revealed that his burner account character, Frank Draymond, is actually pronounced Frank Drevin, who is Leslie Nielsen's character from The Naked Gun.

And yes, Jax did spell his burner and count's name wrong.

And this is maybe the most poetic way for him to leave Bravo.

R.I.P.

Frank Draymond and Jax Taylor, your cameos will live on forever, as well as the harm you have caused for every single woman you've ever encountered.

Janet denied being a fan, saying she thinks Kristen has this idea that she had a good-as-gold poster in her childhood bedroom when we all know she actually had a poster of the Menendez brothers.

Janet defended her comments saying Daniel sexually assaulted Jasmine and Alyssa and Zach had the only normal reaction to that conversation, which was, I don't want to be on this couch right now.

Michelle's lawyer told her not to talk about her screaming match, which has his girlfriend off camera at the Zen party, to which Andy was like, you think I care about lawyers?

Why the hell was this not on camera?

Jesse, get that bitch a mic pack or you're off the show.

And Jesse looked like he was going to poop his pants.

Overall, Andy Cohen finally chose violence with his cast of charismatic freaks, and I'd like to thank him.

And thank God Jax Taylor will not return.

What will Frank Draymond?

Drebbin.

Drebin.

Drebin.

Find out next season on the Valley.

There was also a question.

I don't know if you guys noticed this.

Connor and I rewound it twice.

When Andy asked if everybody thought that Janet was being reckless with the term that she used and a lot of people raised their hands, Brittany did this really weird thing that at the same time she starts adjusting her strap.

So it like looks like her hand's kind of going up, but if Janet's looking at her, she's not raising her hand.

It was really weird.

And I just had to to call that out because it was like one of those, like she's like, Oh, it was a little reckless, but like, I'm just a just muster up, Janet.

I won't say a bad thing against you.

Interesting.

Brittany is trying to play both sides

like Janet Danny thing, and it's a really weird time in her life for her to be doing that.

We don't need to talk about it, but I do want to just acknowledge it because it did

make the edit.

But the callback photos of um of uh Brittany and Zach, oh, uh, uh the way brittany looks in the second photo versus now is

that's not the same person no she's still pretty she's just enhanced i didn't say anything i wasn't about i'm just like i i think jax just really

oh for sure

mentally about how herself and her and how her image exactly perception because he's sick but the best part was also finding out that jax did not watch the reunion so like when they brought up the was it fred dreman drumman that I'm like, he had no idea.

He was like, didn't watch the show, yeah.

Yeah, who did that?

Oh, you mean my burner account?

And it's like, yes, they have your burner account.

And he was like, everyone has a burner account, it's not a big deal.

I don't.

I don't.

I do.

Oh, hell yeah.

I know.

Tell us more.

Yeah, what's the name at, you know, where can people find you?

I do have a burner account.

You do?

No.

Oh, you don't.

No.

Oh, gosh.

It was a question.

You do have a burner account.

It's like, yeah, you know, when you find out your stripper name, it's that.

But I won't share it because, like, I don't want anyone to find me.

Does it include a middle name in the street you lived on?

No, it's your

street you live on and your first pet, right?

My first pet's name, yeah.

Her name was Crystal.

Let me just say that.

She's a freak.

Are you trolling people on your burner account or is it just a stalk?

It's a stalk.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh my God, I would never.

Because you can trace it back to my, like, some of my emails, you know.

You're not like, oh, my God, Susie's the best.

There you go, girl.

She's a legend.

Iconic behavior.

And then I log into my next one.

Wow, beautiful.

Thank you so much, girl.

Love a fam.

Did anybody else think it was kind of weird when Jason was going after Danny and he was like saying that everybody was an alcoholic?

And the way he was so proud of himself for like...

Admitting he had a problem?

It's like, yeah, we get it.

You guys are all, you guys all abuse alcohol in different ways.

And yes, we get it.

Danny, I've...

I've met a million Dannies.

I've been friends with a million Dannies, the type of guy who like can't hold his liquor and just kind of gets a little weird,

drunk.

And like, yeah, maybe he, you know, me, maybe he needs to change his liquor or drink less, whatever.

The point is, is like these, as everyone has pointed out week after week after week, it's like, it's just the double standard.

It's the come, it's just using this one thing to come at the guy who in the like the whole scope of things seems like the highest quality guy in this group with a lot going on with just being a dad and all these things and yada, yada, yada.

And it's the way, yeah, the way Janet and Jason lie about Danny and Nia and just like, are just dying on this hill to like try to prove to us that like Danny and Nia aren't who they claim to be, like, whatever that is.

I don't even know who they claim to be.

Yeah.

They just claim not to be like toxic with monsters.

No, because like the way this group, like the group is trying to paint, like, again,

everyone's talked about this.

We've talked about it a million times.

It's just the energy they're bringing to Nia and Danny is the energy that should be brought to Jesse and Jax.

And the fact that it's not being brought is just the most nauseating and frustrating and kind of disgusting like behavior from this group.

And we're judging these people based off that double standard.

Because Danny, or Danny, Jason out of nowhere, when Kristen was like, you can't say that.

Like, what, do you have a drinking problem?

He was like, every day, it's a struggle for me.

And I was just like, well, let's unpack that instead of projecting on other people.

Yeah.

Deal with your own shit.

I will say, I feel like Nia and Danny held their own really well.

And I feel like they, like, she, she kind of holds him accountable.

And even her bringing up the comment and being like, I didn't just forgive him.

Like, we both did individual therapy.

We did therapy together.

Like, I feel like they kind of held their own, which I was really proud of them.

I feel like they're like giving accountability in the best way that you can.

And I also think it's really fucking rich for Janet after spending an entire first season being like, I'm pregnant.

Don't, da, da, da.

And then it's like, you're coming at Nia and her husband.

Right.

And it's like, you, the audacity, because I felt really bad when Nia was like talking about that and just feeling very stressed.

And I'm just like, why are you, why, and why are we spending two episodes talking about danny's drinking and not jacks throwing a woman in a bush why are we not talking about jax wearing lips why are we not talking about jax coming after a happy marriage no but we're gonna sit here and go every single cast member what is your issue with danny and nia right on this side of the couch like oh that pissed me off and kristen kristen mvp MVP of this reunion.

She was shutting things down left and right.

Was like, you have no right to say anything about it.

And she goes, yeah, I was coming after you because you're coming after my friends.

And I told you, I was being an asshole.

My favorite was when she was like, You're not important enough.

Sorry.

Sorry, the fans don't, no one cares about you.

Like, that's what I'm saying.

You can just tell, like, it's like, it's like she's such a seasoned vet.

Oh, yeah.

Like a professional, you know, where you clearly, these are like the rookies and they don't really know what they're doing.

And like, you know, it's like, Kristen's just so like, this is such an amateur hour.

And then, like, when she opens her mouth, you're just like, oh,

yeah.

Finally, some good fucking food.

All right.

Well, that will do it for the valley for a long time.

Thank fucking God.

Up next, Sandy from Perfect Match joins us.

Return to the show.

We're going to have her address Mary since Mary called her Solis the first time they met.

Can you just sit there in that corner when that happens?

Yeah.

Will you tell Sandy that Mary's in timeout for the last time she called you Solis?

Yeah, Mary's been in that corner for the last year.

Since the last time you were here, we feed her twice a day, but she's been there.

Wait, does Sandy know?

Yeah, Sandy called her.

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Sandy, welcome to the show.

Hi.

Welcome back to the show.

Do you remember your first time?

Oh, do do I remember?

Is it traumatic?

A little bit.

Yeah.

Not as traumatic as I thought it would be the first time, actually.

Because we're really nice people.

Yeah, you guys are actually really nice.

You're a little scary online when you're the brunt of the hate, but you're actually really nice.

Do you remember Mary?

Yes.

I remember you, actually.

I'm like, damn.

These people are cold.

Do you remember Mary, though?

Yeah.

Do you remember

Mary remembers?

What were you saying, Mary?

Well, a little backstory to Mary is that

you came on,

you know, understanding now that you're the seasoned vet that you are, you're a professional reality TV star.

Now you're getting paid.

Yeah.

You know what I'm saying?

Like before it was just like, I got trauma in my relationship.

Before it was just trauma.

Now it's a little fun.

Now you're a working professional.

So we understand that you were coming in with a little vulnerability that time.

Oh, so you guys took advantage?

No, no, no, no.

But like Mary, it was like her second day at work.

Oh, no way.

I'd been working here.

I was an editor and I had started coming on the show.

Okay.

And I running my mouth.

Yeah.

Kind of giving some takes, you know?

Yeah.

I think you ran your mouth a little.

You did your job.

That's like, we need you on the floor, Mary.

Yeah.

And I...

No, no, no.

Justin does she need to do it.

Come on.

Mary has so much trauma about this that he forgets.

Oh, great.

You have trauma?

Well, how do you think I feel?

So.

After you had filmed The Going Deeper, we were out in the editing bay and you're talking to Natalie and she was like encouraging you to like not listen to what people have said about you not to look at comments yeah don't listen to the episode and you were like yeah i know some people say some really awful things and natalie was like well what was the worst thing that's been said about you that you saw and you were like well actually

i was called soulless no no she goes you turn to marriage you point at her well you called me souless oh see you call me out i'm gonna call you out yeah i know and it was it was actually no slow turn it was yeah that's so funny oh you know i think about it all the time and i really do i feel bad.

Oh, it's okay.

And I, no, but it was good.

Yeah.

Because I was like, oh, yeah.

I didn't realize that

people

would actually listen and like take it.

Oh, yeah.

You know, just the good old trauma.

No, no, no.

That's funny.

Well, you know, I don't think you're soul.

Okay.

Well, I know I'm not soulist.

I have a very big heart and a big soul.

So it's okay.

Where do you want to start?

Where do you want to start?

You're the host.

Well, okay, fine.

I am.

All right.

Doing big things.

I want to start with J.R.

Of course.

How did I know that that was going to happen?

I say this, I mean this in the nicest way coming off of the solos conversation where we recognize they're all people.

And my wife is not here at the moment.

So I am speaking.

We find him to be.

one of the most disgusting and revolting people on TV.

Oh my gosh.

And it's really just based centered around his like just constant like comments around like sex and just objectifying women, quite honestly, in a way that just like, he's always like, yeah, I'm like, I'm your fucking candy and I'm like dick my time.

And I, so like, I guess my first question is like, why in the fuck would you entertain JR on your second run?

Is this like

we don't, is this like a timing thing?

Because like now we know you filmed the perfect match before we even before the ultimatum even ends.

Before we even saw it.

Yeah.

So then my question is like, is is this JR just like this really unlucky with his edit and he's like being frank, but it, but he's saying this shit to you guys, or he does, or is it just like in ITMs, and you guys don't realize just how disgusting of a mind he seems to have when it comes to talking about women?

I mean, I think it's a combination.

Like, he does say these weird comments,

which are just like, you know, and it's hard because with editing, they, of course, they're going to air every single weird comment he says and they're not going to air some of the other things that are said.

But I think he opened the door for you anyways.

that ass no um i know he bet you're thinking about my dick you know like well i will say his um itms like the interviews like his intro i literally lost my voice from screaming so loud at the tv when i saw his intro for perfect match because i was just no that's not okay um and there were a lot of moments like that with ultimatum too when i actually watched it back and kind of saw what he was saying you know, behind the camera and whatnot, and just to some of the other women.

And yeah, I think with Perfect Match, obviously we filmed that before

we ever saw Ultimatum, before that aired.

And so before I got to kind of see full picture of how everything was, but I do think that with Perfect Match, like this was kind of the season that they brought back some of the exes, made it messy on purpose.

And I quite frankly knew that they brought JR in there for me.

So I kind of, you know, I led into that a little bit just because

you were being easy to work with.

Yeah, which was also a lesson that I learned through Ultimatum and Perfect Match a little bit.

I think sometimes I was a little bit too like cooperative with some of the things that like, you know, production wanted because I, I was just, I'm a, you know, I'm a good castmate.

I don't know if you ever plan on going back to reality TV.

Yeah.

Is it a possibility?

Depending.

Okay.

Yeah.

You're great on it.

Thank you.

You're welcome.

Thank you.

I don't want to mansplain or anything.

Can I offer you some unsolicited reality TV advice?

Yeah, please.

You got to.

Well, it's back to like, I think going in.

I think a lot of reality TV stars, you know, you want to have a good relationship with production.

They obviously sometimes take advantage of that relationship, knowing that people want to be easy to work with.

But I think, you know, to try to not even humanize producers, they're just people who have a job and they're trying to get the best out of people.

And I think sometimes, especially in today's day and age, they are so used to reality TV stars coming in, trying to protect their edit, trying to like, you know, go against what they think production is asking.

And just not

not really say how they really feel.

And I think in that moment where you were asked, let's say you had a strong opinion of JR, you get asked to like go on this date.

You're thinking like, fuck it, I'll just be like a team player type of thing.

I'll give them what they want, whatever.

And I think if you have something better to offer, they'll listen.

I think they're just used to a lot of people coming in and just like.

playing it safe and not knowing what to do.

So they're, they're trying to make the best possible scenes.

But if you were to be like, I don't fuck with this guy.

Yeah.

Here's why.

And let me just tell them what I think.

Right.

They would have rather had that moment

rather than like the stupid date of you pretending there's something there and blah, blah, blah.

And you know what I'm saying?

But like, they're just assuming you're not going to give that.

So they want, they'll, they'll like, you know what I'm saying?

Totally.

It's like, there's like the main storyline and then there's actually like what's happening.

And if you can actually get what's happening and bring it to the top, that's actually more interesting than the storyline of, oh, we're on a date.

We're kind of into each other.

And that is something that I had a hard lesson learning with reality TV because again, like I filmed ultimatum and then I filmed Perfect Match before that even came out.

But I'm really happy with like how that went.

But my biggest lesson with all of that is like, you have to be so true to yourself and speak up on things, even if it goes way against production.

Because and essentially that will actually make for better TV anyways, because that's the truth.

And that's kind of where some of the real drama is.

But like what you just said with the JR situation and actually five minutes into the date, we got in a big fight and I was like, I went off on him because he

I don't know why they didn't air it because it was like they wanted to kind of I think really play into the JR and Sandy story and kind of tease that a little bit.

But actually what happened was I, he was kind of talking smack on Louie and I popped off on him because I was like, you don't even know the situation.

You don't know Louie.

And I was defending Louie.

So I did pop off on him.

But what did you say?

I don't even remember.

I, I just, I was so mad, and I was like, I couldn't even like contain it.

I just went in, and what did he say that triggered you?

He was just saying, um,

I think he kind of says it in the episode two, a little bit, like, you know, don't you want a real man?

Like, aren't you sick of babysitting and all this stuff kind of about Louie?

Like, oh, you know, his intentions, or

you know, it he, he does, he's not actually here for you, whatever.

And, you know, granted sure looking back but like i didn't appreciate that coming from jr and i felt that it wasn't him looking out for my best interest at heart because he did it the second the camera started rolling versus like we have so much time off camera if he was really like genuine about it i feel like he would have just said something to me off camera okay that makes sense but they didn't hear it so i was surprised like

i popped off on i can pop off okay I believe it.

Yeah.

See, that's the thing.

Like you, you gave them the option.

Right.

You know, but they want to, yeah.

But if next thing you're like, I know, I want to go on a fucking date with that guy.

Here's why.

I love these.

You don't give them an option.

Yeah.

It's tough.

I don't know.

Listen, it's, it's really.

Yeah.

It's, I've, I have surrendered to the edits and stuff.

It's like, okay, just let it go a little bit.

Are you glad you went?

Did you have fun?

Yeah, I had so much fun.

It was honestly one of the funnest things I've done.

And it was quite literally night and day experience from ultimatum, just all around.

Yeah, I'm glad I did it.

When I'm watching Perfect Match, and I was thinking about this last night, knowing that you're coming on the show, it must really suck to like

you guys went like again, speaking of your first time, I couldn't imagine like being in a relationship being like, hey, babe, should we go do this thing and see if we have a thing?

And then, like, then you become a TV star.

Oh,

my TV star.

Okay.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, ultimate revenge.

Yeah.

Like, when you come on as a couple, don't fuck with me.

You know, or like the people from like Temptation Island who, like, and it separates.

And you get the people who, like, one of us,

like, my, if I would have known that you would have kept going back on TV, right?

He's like, we never would have done this.

It's just kind of a, yeah.

Wait, it's kind of like JR's ex, though, because she,

what was her name on

Zayna?

She's a baddie.

She should have been there.

Right.

Like, that could have sucked.

They should have subbed out JR for Zayna.

Yeah.

Like, they should have brought her in because she was stunning and amazing.

Yeah.

But I don't think anyone really sees the appeal of JR, like, not to throw shade, but I'm like, like, I don't know.

I feel like she would have been a huge get.

Totally.

I think, again, what they were, they were trying to make it messy and they did.

Yeah.

You know, that's Clayton and Rachel, too.

Like, this was a season of surprises and kind of some of the messy exes.

So it just was a little more tea, I think, for the plot.

Yeah.

With JR being like a bombshell.

But yeah, it is interesting with

like Nick and stuff.

I guess what were your just kind of like impressions of everyone, like when you got in the house?

Like what like set the stage for us?

Like what's it like to walk in that perfect match house?

And you know some people, you don't know other people.

Right.

People are all kind of like, oh, I know you, or maybe some people you've met.

I actually, I didn't know anybody.

My show hadn't even come out yet.

Nobody knew me.

Okay.

But I walked in first with AD, which that was super cool.

And I was like, girl, I know who you are.

And she was like, well, who the hell are you?

And I'm like, you're going to find out soon.

But it was, it was really cool, very very surreal.

But to be honest, like, and I, I knew, I had some familiar faces in there for sure.

I knew who Juliet was.

I knew who Clayton was.

But I think the cool thing about that, it's like, regardless of like who people are, whatever, once you step foot in that villa, it's like, we're all just here.

Like, it doesn't matter who you are, what you do, whatever.

We're going based off of, at least for me, I was going based off of my connection and vibe with the people there.

So.

It was just like genuine friendships and connections that were formed and it was really fun.

What attracted you to Louie?

Um, I mean, Louie is, he was, he just kind of had that energy.

Like he's fun, playful, flirty.

Instantly, we kind of had a little banter, which I definitely need and, you know, a match.

And obviously, I was attracted to him.

But again, I just go based off of like energy and vibes.

And him and I just kind of instantly, I knew we were going to have like a good time together.

So I kind of knew quickly that we were going to match up.

Was there anybody else in the house, like initially going in that you were interested in or like going in between?

Honestly, not really.

Like I thought Daniel was attractive.

I'm like, oh, that's a good looking man.

I have no idea who that is.

But

in terms of vibe, again, it's like you could be gorgeous.

If I can't have a conversation with you next.

So that was the thing with Louie was like, we sat down and we were just laughing and bantering.

I'm like, okay, I could do this with this guy.

So he really was my only interest from the start.

The mixer for the men.

Is that like an afternoon?

Yeah, it was like early.

It was like an early afternoon.

Why was it so easy for them to forget y'all existing?

I don't know.

They were like counting down the seconds to get there.

I'm like, okay.

They were acting like they were like a deserted island.

It was crazy.

They finally brought in women where they just couldn't help themselves, or it was like, I have a wife at home.

Like, they were like so excited to get there and basically cheat on all of us.

It was just, it actually is comical.

We're sitting playing literally patty cake in the pool, and they are

literally boys gone wild.

Yeah.

Did you set any expectations with Louie or did any of the other couples like have a sit-down being like, all right, hey, like, how are you going to move?

So

this is probably no surprise, but they, you know, they surprise you with the guys and the girls mixer super quick and then you're kind of out the door.

So you don't have time to like pow wow, set boundaries with each other.

It's kind of kick off if you need to.

It's like, okay, guys, girls over here, guys over there, like, bye, see you later.

So that was kind of, you know, that's how it is.

and to be honest like at least with louis and i we were not like closed off exclusive like we're on perfect match like we were not in an exclusive relationship however we were definitely matched up and given the especially the way our relationship kind of progressed literally the night before you know um the guys mixer, it just was a little bit alarming how quickly they all just kind of ran out and did what they wanted to do.

But are we that surprised?

Like, not really.

What's your read on Daniel and Lucy?

And

did you witness his sensitivity?

Sensitivity, or you mean like insecurity?

Insecurity.

Yeah.

Let's

cropped it.

Yeah, I did 100%.

How did you, how did you interpret in real time?

And was there any difference between what we got to see and what you experienced there?

So you guys, you actually kind of see how it is.

And they, I don't even know if they really could edit those things out because there was this weird energy

with honestly a lot of the men towards the women.

And it was like this like double standard that all the women were like, what the fuck, especially me, I was just like, not,

I was so sick of them.

But with Daniel specifically, it was,

he's very

protective or maybe possessive.

And, you know, Lucy's just so nice and so like easygoing.

And he was very, he had lucy very close the whole time so then when the guy's mixer happened and he went crazy i was shocked like i i was not that shocked that louie did that but i was shocked that like daniel did because of how uptight he was about lucy and it just was like to me the biggest double star i actually felt like daniel did way more at the mixer than louis that's what i mean and it was it felt more because it was like it felt more intense it was more intense it 100 was because their relationship was so closed off by daniel yep like me and louis were super like open and like okay like we were open and honest with each other and even when he went crazy gross and then came back he told me everything it was like all right it was like felt like very just wrong from daniel because it was that was not the vibe the entire season it was super closed off from him And then he went crazy like for what?

Yeah, we were talking about this when you started the episode before you showed up where a lot of the men on this show, and I think just honestly today in dating,

um, kind of like, yeah, when they're with their girl or the person they're dating or hanging out with or whatever they want to call it situationship, they act how they think they should act in a relationship and then have those expectations of the person they're dating.

But if they're not, you know, exclusive, then these men also give themselves the permission and kind of do whatever the fuck they want and then, but emotionally hold the women that they're dating to a completely different standard.

Exactly.

That's they and they actually admit it.

Louis admitted it on in one of the interviews.

He was like, if I could like make sure Sandy stays basically at home and doesn't entertain anything else and she's committed to me and I can go out and do whatever I would, I would.

But I, that's not right.

It's like, okay, yeah, no shit.

Like that's, this is what, you know, the men kind of, I think, wanted to do.

They wanted to explore the field, but they wanted to make sure that their women didn't.

What's a read on Freddie?

Is he

Freddie's so sweet?

He is.

He's as sweet as he can be.

Yep.

And everything he portrays himself.

He's, yeah, he's amazing.

No interest there.

We had him on yesterday.

Yeah, no, I love Freddy.

It's so interesting.

A lot of people were like, all my girlfriends are obsessed with Freddy.

They're like, oh my God, hook it up with Freddy.

And I'm like, yeah, he's so cute.

He's so sweet.

I don't know.

I just, we didn't have not really my vibe.

Not toxic.

Maybe alone.

Not toxic.

I'm like shocked watching it.

I'm like, why aren't more people investing in that?

No, you know what?

I feel like that's, yeah.

I mean, that may be a criticism for the ladies, you, where it's just like, you guys are all complaining about these

all the Daniels of the world.

No.

But we're not giving the Freddies of the world

a chance.

I know.

That's like just.

He could he is like

totally.

I personally, I don't.

That's not my favorite thing just because I love to, no, not nice people, just like,

no, like counting calories and stuff.

Like,

sorry.

That's what I'm talking about.

Like, I like to, you know, eat and have fun and whatever.

So I'm just, he's a really nice guy.

And him and Madison just were like on lock the whole time, but I wasn't interested in him in that way.

You know, we're, we're friends.

What do you think of Madison?

Um, she's nice.

I think she's toxic.

I've never met her in person.

Okay.

Yeah.

But she comes across on a TV show as

yeah.

I would keep my distance or introduce like for me.

I did keep my distance a little bit.

Interesting.

Yeah, I kind of got the vibe early on.

Just something felt a little bit off.

She's actually, she's a nice girl.

And like, I think that, you know, we all get along as friends.

Yeah.

So that'd be hard to cross if anyone was interested in Freddy.

Yeah.

So you don't have to say anything because it sounds like you're afraid of Madison, but am I, I seem to have it nailed.

No, well, in what way?

I mean, I no, no, I think it's a little bit more.

Well, she is like, she just, she seems to, like, if you're on her good side, great.

And if like she even if she doesn't like you, she'll like call you disgusting or just like, I don't know if her and Freddie are together, if they're not, but like she comes across as someone that if even if she breaks up with Freddy or Freddie breaks up with her, she'll go from thinking, oh, what an honorable job to like, ew, he deals with dead people

and just like talk shit and just like, just talk shit and she'll make up things and talk more shit.

And as long as I feel like she's the definition of hurt people, hurt people.

I think

from what I've seen on TV, I think

it's mostly directed at men.

For whatever reason, I'll leave it at that.

It's personally, yeah, I don't, not how I would handle situations necessarily, but to each their own.

I have a question going back to the boys mixer.

Do you think that the boys, including Louie, like would have been forthcoming if AD wasn't there?

Honestly,

I think Louis would have, just because it's like, there wasn't so much to hide.

Like, again, it wasn't like we had this like agreement okay we're not to entertain anything else so i do think that he would have told me do i think the other men would have no i feel like you also clocked louis the second he walked yeah i literally could smell it on him i'm like why are you breathing heavy like you're like your heart's beating fast i could i could hear it yeah i could smell it i could feel it and i'm like no yeah this is just a random observation not really a question for you juliet seems fun we met Love.

Met her at the Netflix

party.

I just thought it was funny that on the last episode, episode nine, she was like, I'm just so picky, but I'll also kind of like date anyone here.

And I was like, well, which one is it?

I think it's Ed and Children.

She's like, I'm psych on it.

I love her.

Which is why I want to date.

Like, I'll just kind of.

She just is, come on.

She just is.

She's cool.

She's cool.

She's made for TV.

I love her.

She's made for TV.

That's what I took away.

I was like, she doesn't care.

She'll do it for the plot.

She will do it for the plot.

And she, you have to keep in mind, she literally grew up on MTV.

And that was so like old school reality.

People getting in fights, throwing drinks.

So she kind of had that mentality coming in, which was a little interesting for Netflix, like with these super intense shows, they're not really like that.

But I kind of love that she brought that energy.

It really lightened up like the whole vibe and it was just hilarious.

Rachel kind of mentioned that coming from Bachelor Nation, you know, like it is fascinating with Perfect Match, them doing the whole like, we're going to pick some Love Island, we're going to pick somebody.

Right.

It's like a match.

It's like a TV.

And so you have these different universes with different approaches to how people carry themselves on a TV show.

You have all these bachelor alums that are just like coming in with PTSD and this fear of like this very intense, very Puritan fan base.

And then you have like MTV.

Love Island.

Anything good.

Love Island where it's just like, wait, you can say that.

Oh, my God.

Yeah.

The things that Juliet would say, I'm like, I love her.

Hilarious.

What do you think of JR?

How do we want to start with JR?

Because it sounds like there's some things with today's episode because we have a new batch of episodes coming out.

So we're just going to, if you could, just talk your shit.

And then

it will be our first continued on the Vile Files.

He wants me to talk more shit.

I don't know.

I want you to speak your truth.

Yes.

Okay.

Okay.

So we're going to do like after.

Well, if there's things.

We don't know what happened and whatever you have to say.

I'm getting the sense that some of those things we might not be able to air in today's episode.

Technically, yeah.

I mean, especially with Jay

to be continued.

Yeah.

And Vile Files Reality Recap History, where people, if you're listening, you might have to tune in on Tuesday.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Tune back in, bitches.

Well, is there anything else we want to like, is there anything else we want to review with Sandy?

I did want to bring one thing up that I just thought was really funny.

At the final boardroom, it was just funny because this was already post-boys and girls mixer.

And then it was like, all right, we're going to put people on dates.

Here's the list of all the people who have been here three or four times and have been sent home three or four times.

Let's put them on a date again.

Why not Sandy and JR?

Why not Juliet and Carrington?

It's like, really?

We need to see JR now back for a third time, Carrington back for a fourth time.

Like, I don't.

I feel like that is a problem or like an, yeah, that, like, I think all these dating competition formats have.

When you get to the end of the show, those last couple episodes before like the big finale, it always feels like no one's invested in whatever storylines they're still trying to create and we're not going to bring in new people to like spice

even if it's love island if it's new people we're always like why do i give a about you i don't have time

that is you at this point you know like very love island bachelor in paradise would do that where they bring in the last people you're like okay come on so you're here for a free vacation for two days yeah how do crickets taste i don't i wouldn't know she had churros you were so fucking in my sweet time with those churros baby did you ever finish them i unfortunately i did and i was like trying to go really slow because i'm like i don't want to i don't want want to finish these churros number one.

There was like seven churros on the plate.

I'm like, I have to be in a bikini the rest of the time here.

I don't want to do this.

And then I certainly did not want to get in that ice bath.

I'm like, well, if we're going to lose, we're going to lose dry.

So I was going to be like, did you contemplate cheating?

Like,

I tried.

I mean, there's cameras everywhere.

Stuff it.

I don't know.

Yeah, quit.

Well, I didn't want to be a quitter.

Also, Louis was so pissed because he like literally had a mouthful of crickets.

That's crazy.

And I'm like, taking my sweet time with the churros.

He didn't eat the churros, but he ate the crickets.

That's well, no, he didn't have an option to eat the churros because I started eating it before we even could talk about it.

I just saw the churros and I was like, oh, that looks good.

And I was like, oh, fuck, now I have to eat all these.

So, and I, okay, I'm just, I don't know how the hell Rachel just shoved her face with the crickets and the churros.

Like, that was, it was actually really hard to eat those churros because there's like seven of them.

They're like chugging it with like milk and water.

I was like, I will be damned if I am shoving my face like that on national television.

Think again.

So I loved Rachel on Perfect Match.

I I love her.

She was, she is my queen.

I just, and I said this to her when she was here, but like, she really has found, like, you know, what we were talking about before with how I feel like we are notes for Jeremy on Bachelor in Paradise.

Yeah, whatever the fuck's name.

It takes it too serious.

We're like, yeah, and I get it, right?

But like, Rachel really came in and was like, oh, you know what?

Fuck this shit.

Yeah.

And she like, we're seeing such a fun, light-hearted side of Rachel who came into her season with the Bachelorette, like knowing that she had to share the spotlight with Gabby, you know, coming off the hate from, you know,

the previous season.

And now she's just like, I feel like you see this Rachel who's accepted that she, she can't control what people say.

So she says, you're not going to give a fuck anymore.

Yeah.

And I, it, you see, I just love that energy for her.

I also just love Rachel.

She has, she was such a gem just being in there.

She's one of my closest girlfriends, like from the show.

And like, she just has helped me so much because obviously like I was doing that before my show ever came out or anything.

And she just was so real and helpful with all of it and truly how she is on the show.

It's like how she is just in person.

She's very just true to herself, which we love.

Do we have any anything left on back before?

I mean, Adie and Ollie, I'm like, obviously we know how that ends.

Yeah.

But

the whole triangle with Justine and like, and obviously that kind of heartbreaking fight that they had.

I'm like, did you feel like they were the strongest couple throughout and that they were able to work through things?

Or was it kind of a lot of turmoil in the house while they were trying to work through the justine of it all?

No, 1000%.

They were the strongest couple in the house from day one.

Like it was so obvious to everybody in the house.

And they are like one of my favorite love stories.

I don't care what fights happened, whatever.

This is the name of the game.

We're on perfect match.

Like, and it literally wasn't, AD was quite literally removed from the house and then somebody else was brought in.

So that whole situation was just the premise of the show, essentially.

How he went about it, I don't know all the details.

I don't necessarily like support that, but it's also, you know, you have to keep in mind this is like two weeks into their relationship.

They had such a strong, true love, and we all knew that it was something bigger than this, which is why they're literally having a kid together.

She's literally having a baby.

Yeah, I

already watched their gender reveal.

Literally, i'm we're in it yeah i they are legit and i fully love and support them and their relationship was really solid through the show too even with the justine stuff they just worked through it and like move forward

yeah we love that all right well i think we're gonna end this episode okay

is there anything else we're gonna keep talking yeah um but since we can't air which is annoying i'm like just wait a day uh well this you know the finale is gonna come out and we'll see what how it all goes down with you and Louie and why he is on red carpets with Huda and not you.

So I guess we'll

find that out and see how you feel about it.

I don't know.

Maybe you feel a certain way.

Anyways, we want to thank our guest, Sandy, for joining this episode.

She's going to return apparently on Tuesday now.

I want to come back in the same exact outfit in her makeup.

You bitches better be there.

Don't worry.

We're literally all going to be wearing the same thing.

Sandy, it was fun having you this episode.

Come back.

Thanks.

I'll be back.

She'll also be back on Tuesday.

I'll be back on Tuesday, actually.

Yeah.

And I'll wear the same outfit too.

Yeah.

Starting to think that Tuesday might just be an extension of today.

A little bit.

Why?

I don't know.

It's just an intrusive thought I'm having.

Well, tune in on Tuesday to hear how Sandy really feels about Louie.

And don't forget, if you haven't listened to our reality recaps that we dropped all week long, we have Lisa Hoxteen or Hochstein, whatever your preferences are.

Freddie, Brian from Bachelor in Paradise.

Also, wait, Tuesday, who do we, we had a bunch of people.

Go back and check out all those amazing episodes.

Laugh out loud and all that fun stuff.

Thanks for all your support, guys.

We appreciate you.

Nellie will be back soon.

You know, send some love to her.

And we'll see you back on Monday.

Oh, don't forget our, you know, Mary wants me to remind you guys,

we all know you love relationship chitter chatter.

and our ask Nick episodes are uh are

the hot spot for all people's relationship problems and some sage advice from yours, truly.

And if you want to get things off your chest, talk about whatever trauma is going on in your life, don't forget to email us at asknick at the vilefiles.com

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We'll see you tomorrow.

Nope, never mind, Monday.

Bye.

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