E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations

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Speaker 2 What's going on, everybody?

Speaker 1 Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap. And boy, are we glad to be back in our studio in LA from, you know, all the pop-ups that we do.

Speaker 1 We're busy, busy people.

Speaker 2 Welcome home.

Speaker 1 We're always working, always doing things. You know, we're too busy to do fun celebrity things, you know?

Speaker 2 Only the miserable celebrity things.

Speaker 1 Well, I just feel like a lot, you know, like a lot of our peers were like at the AMAs, you know. Oh, yeah.
We don't have time for that.

Speaker 2 We don't have time.

Speaker 1 Fair. We don't have time for the red carpets, the parties.

Speaker 2 We're so busy. I'm just saying, if you want to send a placeholder, I can do that for you.
Of course.

Speaker 2 See you,

Speaker 2 everybody.

Speaker 1 Maybe, maybe, maybe our PR knows. Well, I mean, I know our PR knew we weren't available, but

Speaker 1 to be honest,

Speaker 1 I was not given the opportunity both.

Speaker 2 We didn't call. We did not get the call.

Speaker 2 Okay. We did not get the call.
But y'all were busy. They knew we were busy.
The AMAs knew. Yeah.

Speaker 2 They're like, this couple? They're constantly on the go.

Speaker 1 It was very fun to see the

Speaker 1 feedback that we got from our airplane story. It's really, it really speaks to like, if you know, if you have kids, you know.
And if you don't, you don't.

Speaker 1 But the way people like, some of the comments like were hilarious. Just like business class is for doing business.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, okay, people are actually trying to work in business class. Have you ever raised a child? It's work.
Literally.

Speaker 3 Full-time fucking job, baby. The hardest job I've ever had.

Speaker 2 I'm working more than you are writing that PDF.

Speaker 1 I will say, you know, having a kid, it makes you so much more like empathetic

Speaker 1 in every aspect of life, you know, the way you see other parents on a flight and you just want to help them.

Speaker 1 When I see a mom with a child coming on the plane, I'm just waiting for an opportunity to help her with her bags.

Speaker 1 You know, I don't want to be like intrusive, like, you know, but if there's, you know what I'm saying? Cause it's like, let me take them for you.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm like, oh my God. And then she like hits me with her suitcase.
Like, why are you stealing my shit? But yeah, it's just, it's, um, it's difficult.

Speaker 2 And like. the people who were more mad at me for reading the text than for the woman

Speaker 2 talking shit on my kid is like, they're like, well, it was a private text. So she was actually being nice by not saying it to your face.
It's like,

Speaker 2 are you okay?

Speaker 2 Like, no, for sure, because talking behind someone's back is way better than saying it to their face. That's like,

Speaker 1 that's like being in high school. I mean, maybe I'm aging myself.

Speaker 1 I'm assuming everything's digital in high school these days, but it's like having your desk partner and then on the piece of paper or a test, writing a big, like, my seat partner is a big piece of shit.

Speaker 1 And then them reading it and then me saying, well, that's a private message.

Speaker 2 Yeah, why are you, why are you copying my, why are you cheating on my homework?

Speaker 4 Like, yeah, it's like you're passing notes and it's like, you read the note and it's like, Maya sucks. And it's like, why, why'd you read the note? It's like, what do you mean?

Speaker 4 Why did you, okay, Jackson?

Speaker 2 Okay, Jacks.

Speaker 1 Anyways, we have a real, real great episode for you today. I'm really really excited about it.
I don't even know. It doesn't even matter what we said was going to be.
What it is, is even better.

Speaker 1 First, we have the hilarious comedian Chris Clemens is with us to talk a little bit more secret lives of Mormon wives. He's a huge fan of all reality TV.

Speaker 2 I'm sure I'm going to open up about the size of my something. Or, you know, I always feel like I open up too much when I get the best comedian.
You love a comedian.

Speaker 2 I'm always like, and this is why this happened to me at 10 years old.

Speaker 2 You always want to go with a riff. I do.
Yeah. I do.
Yeah. So he's with us.

Speaker 1 And then following Chris, Janet. Let's fucking go.
From the valley joins the Vilefeld.

Speaker 3 I'm kind of a Janet Stan.

Speaker 2 I respect the hell for her coming.

Speaker 1 I mean, I think, how many times have we said Janet's the worst?

Speaker 2 We could actually roll a montage on literally today's episode.

Speaker 1 I'm sure there's people out there who like think that like sometimes we are critical on purpose to try to like almost bait and dare people to come on our show. That is not our intention.

Speaker 1 I think it is the opposite.

Speaker 2 It's the opposite.

Speaker 1 Like we say this often. We love reality TV.
And in a lot of ways, we cover it like sports. You know, we're fans, we're fanatics, we like to break it down.

Speaker 1 This show started being a show based using reality TV and pop culture as a through line to discuss like, to discuss relationships, you know, discuss people, human interactions, you know?

Speaker 1 So sometimes that causes us to be critical of people we've never met in person, causes us to be critical of people who, you know, aren't in control of their edit.

Speaker 1 And we understand that it can piss people off and we understand that it might cause them to hate us or never want to come on our show. Like, I doubt Sierra is ever going to come on the show.

Speaker 1 I hope, I wish, I wish Sierra would want to come on the show and explain to me why all my opinions are wrong. And I'd be certainly open to listening.
I doubt she's going to come.

Speaker 1 But the fact that Janet

Speaker 1 wants to and is willing, I'm excited to meet the person Janet. I've never met her.
I don't know anything about her other than what I've seen on TV. And I very much look forward to getting to know her.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I'm excited she's coming. So I really appreciate her being willing to do that.
And this is what this is all about. I love it.
I'm so excited.

Speaker 1 I am so excited to meet Janet, get to know her and talk about the Valley with Janet. What was your favorite part of last night's Valley episode?

Speaker 2 We're going to.

Speaker 1 No, I just, now we're not recapping. I just, I can't help but talk about my favorite part.

Speaker 2 No, you tell me your favorite part.

Speaker 2 This is one of those questions. This is one of those questions.
Do you care what my answer is? You don't. You just want to give me yours.

Speaker 2 Just give us yours. Welcome back, Nick.

Speaker 1 Well, first of all, it was honestly good to see Lala.

Speaker 2 Okay. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 To watch her body

Speaker 3 like that.

Speaker 2 Lala. And, you know,

Speaker 1 Lala, another person at times we've been critical of. Certainly, you have.
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Speaker 1 But like, Lala really knows how to

Speaker 1 lay it on. She ate.

Speaker 1 She didn't waste any time. She didn't show up to take a casual walk to show an outfit.
You know, she came on to deliver great television.

Speaker 3 Yeah. She didn't do what Sheena did, which was just stay silent.

Speaker 2 No, that's that was my favorite part. The scene, the scene begins, and it's Lala and Jesse.

Speaker 1 And first, Lala says, hi, almost nice, and then lays in to Jesse.

Speaker 1 And in the background, you see Sheena getting a drink, and you see her kind of peek over and be like, uh-oh, Lala's having a scene with Jesse and then like there's a it's Lala and Jesse and it's Lala by herself you get like a one shot of Lala and then and then you see Jesse and then as if like a magician said no no no you see her walk on screen Well, you see her in the background walk on screen.

Speaker 2 It's showing Lala and you see Jess Lala and then Sheena just come and creeps and stands next to Lala and does not say one word.

Speaker 1 Just had to be in the scene.

Speaker 2 I love that for her. The TikTok trend.
That's like the Jaws music.

Speaker 2 That's like, dunna and it's them like passing across the and they get closer yeah yeah that's giving she uh it was my favorite part it was just

Speaker 1 it was just so she know it was great anyways we'll get into the valley when janet joins us for the show uh apparently the new uh location for bachelor in paradise uh has been released and it is a bit different and by a bit i mean night and day different from the original uh location that was essentially glamping so like bachelor in paradise was filmed in cellulita it was like that this uh very in the middle of the jungle, and it was like an outdoor place that had no air conditioning or anything like that.

Speaker 2 Didn't y'all not have doors? No, it was glamp. Yeah, it was glamping.
Yeah, it's like just free-for-all for all the mosquitoes.

Speaker 1 But it was like shelters.

Speaker 2 It was, I enjoyed it.

Speaker 1 I mean, certainly it was muggy and buggy and whatever, but once you got used to it, I thought it was great. And I thought it was great because the food was awesome.

Speaker 2 Really? Oh, yeah,

Speaker 1 the chefs, they had like our own chefs.

Speaker 1 They would make you whatever you wanted. It was really enjoyable.
And for me, that's what trailing is all about. Like, if I don't enjoy the food, like I'd feel very like out of place.

Speaker 1 I can kind of sleep any, not anywhere, but like not having food I enjoy or food that's just like tastes like you're just eating out constantly, it just wears on you.

Speaker 2 No, I'm with you.

Speaker 1 So, you know, this will be interesting to see what it's like. I mean, it looks like a very like bougie place.

Speaker 1 So have you heard from Wells? since he's been down there, Sierra?

Speaker 2 No, I've seen his stories and videos though, and I'm just like, his off days, he's just like chilling in a chair on the beach, just like, hey, I guess I'll do an ad from here. And I'm like, okay.

Speaker 2 Looks lovely.

Speaker 1 He hasn't said how it's going.

Speaker 2 I haven't talked to him, but I'm like, from what it looks like, he's tanned, enjoying himself, watching sunsets with the crew.

Speaker 1 I hope I've heard from production, but like, it's hard to know what kind of TV it'll translate into because obviously, as we know, there's been a lot of drama when it comes to the production of The Bachelor.

Speaker 1 There's new showrunners. There's a lot of moving pieces.
I think there's a lot of hurt feelings in production. So I'm hearing a lot of complaints from that side.

Speaker 1 That might just be internal complaints, or will that actually turn into like bad television? I don't know.

Speaker 2 I'm curious, too, like how they're going to do everything. Is it going to be cameras in the corners of the rooms kind of thing? Like, are we filming 24-7?

Speaker 2 Like, because they have doors now.

Speaker 2 It can keep people out. So is it going to be like a Love is Blind apartment situation? Like

Speaker 4 Love Island, probably.

Speaker 3 Right? Like, how are they going to capture everything?

Speaker 2 And if it's like a hotel, like, where are the, where's the, like, ceremonies going to happen?

Speaker 1 Like, is it a full-on, like, hotel, like a big hotel, or is it like a boutiquey place that has, like, 20 rooms?

Speaker 2 I'm like, from what that looks like. It looks like it's a full blanket.

Speaker 1 Like a massive resort where other people will be.

Speaker 4 They're each going to have a roommate. So they're not sleeping in bunk beds anymore.
It's going to be like they're each going to have a roommate.

Speaker 4 And then there's like a special VIP suite that's available for people on

Speaker 2 occasion. A boom, boom, they want some of their own time.
Do you think they did this because they brought brought in the golden people and they were like, we can't put them on those

Speaker 2 nice,

Speaker 2 like, we got to get them just some double beds. You're so good at remembering that whole portion of it because every time you say it, I'm like,

Speaker 1 yeah. Yeah, like if Chuck gets stung by the wrong bug, you know,

Speaker 2 he can't be in a hammock. Is there a Chuck? No, there's a Chalk.
Chalk he wants

Speaker 2 to

Speaker 2 be

Speaker 4 happily engaged to Jack.

Speaker 2 My guy Jock will be back. Oh, he'll be there for sure.
Jack will be there. He'll be girlish.

Speaker 2 Gary will be there

Speaker 2 the usual suspects I can't wait my mom did tell me this morning that she's officially not gonna go on this season of Golden Bachelor if she's asked

Speaker 2 she said I just oh I've just realized that maybe this isn't the year to do it I'm like okay period she's like I don't need a boyfriend I'm like okay period but she's keeping her options open oh well yes of course

Speaker 2 she's like next year

Speaker 1 she's also been given advice from people who know that maybe this isn't the time.

Speaker 2 Okay. Yeah.
Like, maybe let them figure out who's on board. You know, like, let them have a run with this production team.
You know, let's just see how it goes.

Speaker 2 Maybe next season people are, you know, in their more permanent spots and it feels a little bit more secure.

Speaker 2 And there's a flow. Let's take a run at it.

Speaker 1 Maybe there'll be a bigger budget. Right.
Yeah. You know, because I don't think there is one right now.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Well, we'll see if The Bachelor doesn't get renewed.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It's fascinating.
They haven't renewed The Bachelor yet. I think this is more, listen, Hulu is doing a lot of great things.
You have the Mormon Wives being a mainstay.

Speaker 1 They're producing a lot of great content. And like again,

Speaker 1 the Bachelor franchise is owned by Warner Brothers.

Speaker 1 And for since this show has existed, there's always been this conflict between the production company, Warner Brothers, and the distributor, ABC, which is now tied to Hulu.

Speaker 1 And Warner Brothers seems to be notoriously mismanaged right now. They don't know what's going on.
And up until now, Warner Brothers has been able to say, whatever, we're the biggest show in town.

Speaker 1 So we kind of get to call the shots. And now that they,

Speaker 1 now that there is a sea of competition and now that streamers have the bandwidth to make more interesting content, they don't have to follow the kind of FCC guidelines of, you know, the network television and kind of behold to sponsors and things like that, that this gives them way more leash to make great television.

Speaker 1 And it seems like Warner Brothers hasn't like figured that out yet.

Speaker 1 And I feel like this Hulu or ABC or whatever, Rob Mills essentially, not picking it up is basically a, we don't, you know, we don't need you.

Speaker 2 Wait, it's Hulu not picking it up? Like ABC is still going to put it on cable television?

Speaker 1 Well, no, it's so it's it's always going to be it's ABC hasn't picked it up.

Speaker 1 But hey, at this point, you know, when you watch, I mean, I've been watching network television a while, but I'm pretty sure when you turn on network television, it actually says ABC Hulu on it.

Speaker 1 Like, they're branding Hulu.

Speaker 1 At this point, like, people who are still watching network television, it's just like a commercial for streamers in a way.

Speaker 1 So, they're kind of one in the same. I mean, Disney Plus and Hulu are owned by the same, they're owned by Disney.
So, I don't even know how that all is.

Speaker 3 Hulu's kind of turned into like the dumping ground for Disney Plus. What do you mean? Not like reality TV-wise, not like in the unscripted, but for scripted.

Speaker 3 I feel like there's a lot of things that ABC

Speaker 3 used to do and isn't necessarily matching the brand for Hulu for Disney Plus.

Speaker 3 So then they like shove it to Hulu and then it kind of dies on Hulu because Hulu doesn't outside of like the reality TV, Hulu's like scripted stuff doesn't get like promotion.

Speaker 3 Like people don't like my mom is the biggest Handmaid's Tale fan and had no idea it was back on.

Speaker 4 Honestly, I also had no idea it was back.

Speaker 3 Yeah. So it's like they don't promote anything, which is like a big problem like across multiple different streamers, but Hulu just like like their money is not going into like promoting Hulu.

Speaker 2 They're promoting

Speaker 2 crazy because I feel like our Mormon wives have been promoting they're scripted, yeah, but the Mormon wives are promoting. Yeah.

Speaker 3 And also I think they're unscripted.

Speaker 2 Elizabeth Moss out there being like, hey, everyone. Yeah.
She had watched What Happens Live.

Speaker 3 Yeah. She was on like

Speaker 3 going like Seth Meyers, but it's

Speaker 1 that it's a good, that's a good observation. You know, Netflix is, for example, notorious for, you know, they're known in the marketplace for not promoting things.

Speaker 2 Yeah, they're terrible.

Speaker 1 But it's a deliberate act. You know what I'm saying? So usually what happens is like they'll, they'll drop.
I don't know why. I'd be curious as to the why.

Speaker 1 I'm sure there's a reason, but for the most part, they'll drop a show. A sneaky link.

Speaker 2 Sneaky links. You watched a couple, right? I did.

Speaker 2 I'm actually really enjoying it. I realized that I didn't fully grasp the concept.

Speaker 2 And now that I'm like watching it play out, I'm like, it's a little bit sad, but like a lot of it very interesting kind of seeing these dynamics, seeing how like the switch up even instantly from the personalities of like, hey i'm on this dating show and then they're like sneaky link walks in and they're like defeated like yeah i guess i can't be who i want to be here like

Speaker 2 very much watching these it's i understand why she wants to get into psychology after watching this because the dynamic human dynamics here wild in dating

Speaker 1 yeah so i think it's interesting but um i'm on episode three well if you guys have not listened to the going deeper episode of jen and zach that is out it's been out uh it's got everyone talking very fascinated like i'm not why am i fascinating why am i even acting surprised It's the amount of like projection, you know, people put on these reality TV stars.

Speaker 1 Like, for some people, Zach will always be a piece of shit. Right.
He could spend the rest of his life saving children. And it will be like, nope, it's fake.
He can't change.

Speaker 1 You know, all this is, is just like now he's seen his mistakes and all the, all the growth is simply, it's fake. And, you know, he just knows what to say.
And maybe that's true. I don't know.

Speaker 1 But like, I, I appreciated getting to see a guy who like, I don't know, this whole season and the conversation we had with him chose to like take ownership, acknowledge his mistakes, and like step up for his family.

Speaker 2 I think one of the biggest shake-ups you can have of like realization is like hitting rock bottom, like the chance of losing everything.

Speaker 2 Like, he almost, I mean, Jen was like, I don't want to be in this marriage anymore. Like, I want to take my children.

Speaker 2 And I think those two things can really make a person want to like change everything about themselves. So, like,

Speaker 2 why wouldn't, how could this all be enacted if he like literally, I mean, this show isn't anything to him.

Speaker 1 Like, he's, you know, he's what is he getting other than shit on?

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's not like I was gonna say, even as a comparison, and everyone knows how I feel about Jesse from the Valley, but I feel like Jesse from the Valley trying to correct his behavior, it very much feels like he's blanketing over everything.

Speaker 2 He's like, I'm just gonna say the right thing, I'm gonna act right. I'm gonna be like, it's not me, it's her, but like, I still have compassion.

Speaker 2 Where I'm like, seeing Zach's like 180 from season one to season two, I'm like, no, that's a man who's like taking steps to implement into his actions.

Speaker 2 It's not about what he says, it's about how he goes about taking care.

Speaker 2 That scene where Jen's like going through it and he's got both of their babies and he's just like, all right, let's go hide a mommy and like da-da-da, and like keeping everything like upbeat him.

Speaker 2 Like, that's like tough times. And that's when you see like real substance in a person showing up for somebody in their weakest times.

Speaker 1 And I saw a clip from Jesse on Not Skinny Not Fat.

Speaker 2 And that's exactly what I was writing. And Amanda, Amanda asks him, like, what's different?

Speaker 1 Like, why wouldn't you call Michelle a whore? today yeah today and his answer was consideration yeah

Speaker 2 what the fuck does that even mean i said i was like that's not growth that's

Speaker 3 buzzword jesse's kind of like if like a uh alien came to earth and was just trying to figure out human behavior and just watched entourage and then is now learning that that's not what everyone does like he googled words to say that sound good you can tell how proud he was for his answer yeah he's like i memorized it last night.

Speaker 2 I want anything, Jesse will come back. I can even spell it for you, and I can give you

Speaker 2 the sound version and the adjective after.

Speaker 2 And we would be fine. Well, Phaedra's back.
Thank God. Thank God.
Honestly, the second Phaedra came on my screen, I was like, and this is what it's all about, people.

Speaker 2 Like, this is what Atlanta Housewives is. Thank you very much, Phaedra.
I also love the Portia and Phaedra

Speaker 2 bond of it all. It's so good.
Freaking fracker back. It's so good.
It's so nostalgic, you know?

Speaker 2 it feels good in your bones.

Speaker 1 I worry for Angela.

Speaker 3 She's got Charles Oakley. She'll be fine.

Speaker 3 Phaedra being like, he's married?

Speaker 2 You know, like, huh? He's like, she's like, girl, she's been married for the last like 10 years, over 10 years. What yellow about her?

Speaker 2 What just goes to Britt Eady's point a couple episodes ago being like, your man doesn't claim you. Your man has a reputation outside of you.
That's got to be hard to deal with.

Speaker 2 No, him sitting at that table at Britt's event and being like, This is my hell. Yeah.
Saying nothing.

Speaker 1 The look on his face was,

Speaker 1 I would rather die.

Speaker 2 Because what did Britt say to him? It was like, Angela said that I was a whore. I'm your whore.
I would put it in.

Speaker 1 And he was like, I don't fuck with whores.

Speaker 2 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 1 Like, it's been 20 years since I went to one of those places.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 It was really funny because right before I was watching Atlanta, I was watching The Last Dance and it was Charles Oakley. Like, he was featured in The Last Dance.

Speaker 3 and then to see him again in Atlanta House Wise, I was like, this is incredible

Speaker 2 to just get two sides of that corner of that man is so awesome. Honestly, that's real love.

Speaker 1 Yeah. For to be an NBA superstar

Speaker 1 and to be a

Speaker 1 like a B

Speaker 1 cast member on the Real Housewives franchise

Speaker 1 is

Speaker 1 not, it's really not the direction you hope for yourself, I imagine.

Speaker 3 Did Scotty Pippen ever make an appearance in Miami?

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 The way the 90s NBA has found itself on that

Speaker 2 have an impact in every single aspect of the way that all of these women were clowning Britt's bare naked event, being like, and what's in this box? Not even a piece of tissue paper, no confetti.

Speaker 2 Even then her definition of shapewear was just like. Her giving Angela an extra large was crazy.
That was so rude. That was fucked.
So nasty. That was so rude.
So nasty. What is a pre-launch?

Speaker 2 Is that like a soft launch? Yeah. I don't know.
I feel like, because it's kind of like even the Summerhouse Samanda Batula Swim. I don't know if you noticed,

Speaker 2 there's no swimmer.

Speaker 2 I feel like it's kind of like, get excited because it's going to come.

Speaker 2 It's happening. The idea has come to fruition.
We just don't have the product. Or like Carl's Soft Bar Launch.
It's not going to be in a van, but you're going to taste it. Softbar Soft Launch.

Speaker 1 Well, maybe it's just like, hey, listen, can I?

Speaker 1 Filming ends in a week?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 If you want the free publicity, you need to come up with something.

Speaker 2 She's calling for samples. They're like, girl, you ordered them yesterday.
No, she's like, okay, okay, pre-launch party. Nailed it.
No, that was nuts. I'm excited for their trip to Grenada, though.

Speaker 2 I am excited. Faker's going.
I think this is going to be

Speaker 2 messy, messy. We're about to get so many good one-liners.
Yeah. Faker is the queen.
It's like, I see something, I said something, and now I just shut you completely down. Literally.

Speaker 2 Well, I guess we'll see. We do have Chris here.
All right.

Speaker 1 Well, let's bring him up.

Speaker 2 Get ready to laugh.

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Speaker 2 what is going on here? Oh, mine did that too. Is it the like touch ID thing? Yeah.
Yeah, mine did that too. I had to go through the little things.

Speaker 2 That's me.

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Speaker 2 Yeah, that's what I did.

Speaker 1 Don't use. Now it's asking for a password.

Speaker 2 Put 00000. That's what I did.
Don't tell anyone. I already forgot, honestly.

Speaker 2 My brain is so damaged that I'm like, this password is still one.

Speaker 2 Apple, you might be on to something. Do you still want to use this? And I was like, yes.
Yeah, absolutely. I will forget.
You're like, can I also add a hint to it?

Speaker 2 Literally.

Speaker 2 Sorry, we're buffering. Same, so that's perfect.

Speaker 2 How much time do you feel you need personally?

Speaker 3 Oh,

Speaker 2 days.

Speaker 1 I also have a dog tattoo.

Speaker 2 Wait, where?

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, right in there.

Speaker 2 Oh, it was like, all I see is a really beautiful stream.

Speaker 2 It's a really stream. Honestly,

Speaker 1 I regret the placement of the stream.

Speaker 2 It's a river.

Speaker 2 The river.

Speaker 2 Because

Speaker 2 excuse me, you little artists. Our daughter's name isn't Stream.
It's a river.

Speaker 2 Oh, is it? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God. So that's why the dog is near the river.
Literally. Well, no.

Speaker 1 The dog's near the river because the idea with my tattoos is like, these are all my siblings.

Speaker 1 I have 10 of them. And these are like,

Speaker 1 these are, this is like moments in my adult life and this is moments in my child life. But I do wish, I do think the river would have been, would have fit better here.

Speaker 1 And I think we also kind of hidden.

Speaker 2 As soon as Wes was done tattooing, Nick was like, I think I should have put it on the other arm. And Wes was like, well,

Speaker 2 and you're done. We actually can't.
He's just like commandsy.

Speaker 2 No, this is real.

Speaker 2 No, there's always that panic in the middle of getting a tattoo of like, do I like it right here?

Speaker 2 Literally. And then it ends there, like, do you like it? And you're like,

Speaker 2 who's that dog? You're like, it'll fade off and it'll look better. Yeah, I know.
And I'm like, it never does. This is my dog, Booger.

Speaker 2 I need to get another one of my other dogs. They're alive.

Speaker 1 Well, that's why I wasn't sure because I wasn't sure if I was going to ask you about a tough memory.

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 1 Jeff is still with us as well. Yeah.

Speaker 2 No, she's just a tough bitch.

Speaker 2 Do you feel like she knows? I think it's mine. Do you feel like she knows? Okay.
Like everybody's getting past my do not disturb. I'm like, how is this?

Speaker 2 How does Steve feel about the fact that he doesn't have his own tattoo?

Speaker 1 Well, to be honest, can you really tell the difference?

Speaker 2 Yeah, they do kind of tell that to Steve's face.

Speaker 1 Does I wanted to get something of Steve, but I just feel like two dog tattoos that

Speaker 2 black and white that essentially is going to look like that. What if we get another dog eventually? Then he has to get another dog.
It's like, whoo, family album later.

Speaker 2 Yeah, no, that's what it's going to look like one of those like vintage rapper t-shirts where it's just like all my dogs.

Speaker 2 Wait, does she know that her name is booger

Speaker 2 i mean as much as she knows that she's like a dog

Speaker 2 like i think so when you call yeah when i booger comes no she does her own thing she doesn't give a

Speaker 2 she's like northwest in my household it's bleak i'm like got it so you run this and pay no bills does she only come when you like walk towards the fridge or where her food is like it's time you're like not even anymore like i'll be like dinner and she's like shut the fuck up i'm sleeping we let you in yeah and i'm like that's so crazy of me to have.

Speaker 2 I spent $150 on your fucking dog. On your fresh food.
I see the carrots. I see the seed.
I'm like, you eat better than I do.

Speaker 1 I feel like we already started, but Chris, welcome.

Speaker 2 Oh, thank you. Yeah, I'm just.

Speaker 1 This is too much good. We're going to use all this.

Speaker 2 Oh, thank God. I was hoping.

Speaker 2 Because it goes downhill from here.

Speaker 2 I mean, I didn't even know we were uphill, so I'll take it. How are you? I'm great.
I thought I missed this, so I am ecstatic to be here.

Speaker 2 We're happy to have you. Yeah, I really thought I slept right through it.
Do you usually like sleep until a late afternoon?

Speaker 2 No, like I wake up early, but I always sleep with my curtains open. So like, I know, I know, I know, but I'd rather wake up to like sunlight

Speaker 2 than an alarm. Oh.
Like an alarm. Booger is not waking you up? No, well, she is, but she's not with us.
Well, like in LA. Oh,

Speaker 2 she's very much with us, just for the record. With Lash.
No, no, no. She's usually my alarm clock, but I will say,

Speaker 1 we have a 15, 16 month old baby or dog?

Speaker 2 Baby. Oh, my God.
Congratulations.

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 2 river. I was like, river.
River. Yeah, no, that's her.

Speaker 1 We've been out of town, and so she's been sleeping with us.

Speaker 1 And we had to get up at 5.30 in the morning yesterday to catch a flight. And it was the first time for me experiencing my daughter wake up to an alarm, and it it was the cutest fucking thing.

Speaker 1 And she just popped up and she had this like holy shit look in her face and kind of smile, but groggy.

Speaker 2 It was pretty kind of cute.

Speaker 1 It was pretty cute. But also it kind of felt like, to your point, it's not normal.
It's no.

Speaker 2 It's not okay.

Speaker 1 Just to be in this beautiful slumber to all of a sudden hear,

Speaker 2 yeah, we've totally normalized that and I'm not okay with it. Yeah, I've gotten to a point now, or I don't know if it's toxic or healthy, that I'm like, I wake up before my alarm goes off.

Speaker 2 So I don't know if that's my anxiety or like if it's totally

Speaker 2 oh my god No, I rose naturally asleep all of you need to get on the hatch

Speaker 2 Oh my god, if I hear one more thing about the goddamn hatch I wake up to birds tweeting So

Speaker 2 that's saying is it the thing that the light like also gets brighter see like

Speaker 2 you're waking up to sunshine also I'm just using the real but I'm not letting keeping Tom look through my window as I'm asleep Well, I'm I have two stories and I sleep on the second floor for a reason because I too don't want people to let Keeping Tom has a ladder if he if he's putting in all that effort to look at me sleep, then I'm fucking flattered.

Speaker 2 Aren't there any like

Speaker 1 street lights of some kind?

Speaker 1 Are you in a part of LA that doesn't have no?

Speaker 2 I live, so I have a house in Delaware and

Speaker 2 an apartment in Williamsburg. Oh my god, he's so rich.
I'm a gentleman. I'm sorry.
That's fucking loaded.

Speaker 1 We met in Williamsburg.

Speaker 2 Oh,

Speaker 2 we did.

Speaker 2 Apparently, very unremmable for you. That was a really injury.
I was like, wow, I'm really

Speaker 2 not great at remembering things. Oh, that's so fun.
Where? At the Williamsworth Hotel.

Speaker 2 They changed the name. Okay, Rich.
Okay, Rich.

Speaker 2 We got hooked up. Yeah.
Yeah, and we had a postcope, or Nick, I wasn't.

Speaker 3 Nick had a post-cult stories.

Speaker 2 A classic Razzle Dazzle.

Speaker 2 Love a good list.

Speaker 2 I always stay here. Yeah, like, thanks for hooking it up always.

Speaker 2 Anywhere else. Thanks for making it feel like home away from home.
You can have that one.

Speaker 2 That's nuts.

Speaker 2 So, what are you watching these days on your television screen? Nothing that, like, I think would make me seem smart.

Speaker 1 So, like us, yes, why do you gotta talk shit about our audience?

Speaker 2 Oh, I'm not talking shit, I'm just saying that it's not like National Geographic. Who watches TV to get smart? I don't know.

Speaker 2 There's like people who like someone's got to be watching those 10 videos on YouTube. Yeah, no, I'm watching Mormon wives, obviously,

Speaker 2 Real Housewives, although we're on the hiatus. Which, how's I love Salt Lake City.
It can do no wrong. I'm like a late comer to the housewives.
So I started with Beverly Hills like season 10.

Speaker 2 And then we're the same. Yeah, and then Salt Lake happened.
And I was like, it was like the Gen Shaw season two. And I was like, whoa, so this is like Real Housewives mixed with a crime doc.

Speaker 2 This is amazing.

Speaker 2 And so then I was watching season two and I went back to one.

Speaker 2 Bad Sisters on Apple TV. Oh, what's that? Oh, is that good? Oh my God.
It's like this Irish or Scottish family.

Speaker 2 I don't, they're UK as fuck, but I never know how to describe shows without just absolutely giving the whole plot away.

Speaker 2 It's like five sisters who don't love the spouse of one of them, and it's like white lotus, but

Speaker 2 reality TV. No, no, no, no, that's screwed.
Yeah, that's like maybe Apple Plus is doing reality TV.

Speaker 2 No, I was going to say, you watch a show on Apple TV Plus, that it automatically makes you smarter.

Speaker 2 Thank you, or just really terrible with money. Either one.
Or

Speaker 2 No, see, that's why I never say bad sisters because I'm like, it's the one, I feel like higher brow show that I watch that I'm like, bad sisters. I like throw that in there so people don't think I'm.

Speaker 1 Have you watched all of Mormon Wife Season 2 yet?

Speaker 2 Oh, I finished it last night just for this. Oh, don't you? Because I figured we'd be talking about it.

Speaker 1 Before we get into that, did you hear about Brittany Bateman being sued by her former mother-in-law?

Speaker 2 Okay, Brittany Bateman is my favorite little housewife's petri dish. She is a study and a half.

Speaker 1 She deserves her snowflake, and the fact that she hasn't gotten it yet is honestly, what are you doing, Bravo?

Speaker 2 No, she is amazing television, like Lisa Barlow level, amazing television. She like borrowed, what was it?

Speaker 2 Real Housewives of Salt Lake City star, accused of stealing $100,000 from an ailing relative after

Speaker 2 alleging her bank account was drained. So, Brittany.
That is like so Brittany.

Speaker 2 Like, it's Britney, bitch.

Speaker 2 She's like running around Vegas singing, like, with her $100,000.

Speaker 2 Oh my god.

Speaker 2 Can you imagine stealing?

Speaker 1 Well, I'm sure she doesn't think it's stealing.

Speaker 2 She says in the complaint

Speaker 2 Sandra 87 accuses Brittany of using the $100,000 for her own personal benefit. The money was deposited into a trust fund of which Brittany was named as a trustee back in 2021.

Speaker 2 She was supposed to be paying that money back and it kind of feels like she used it.

Speaker 1 This is giving 18-year-old gets a credit card and thinks it's like free, not money.

Speaker 2 this is giving very much like what i fear every day of my life that i'm like accidentally stealing a hundred thousand dollars you say a limit of ten thousand that means i spend up to ten thousand correct yeah it's like i can get away with fifteen thousand right

Speaker 2 wow that is not she's kind of like a woman in stem right now i didn't know that oh she's an entrepreneur yeah she's a ceo

Speaker 1 speaking of questionable finances um shout out to the christley family for at least being back together um savannah who i was on special forces with. I mean, listen, politics aside and all that stuff.

Speaker 1 And, you know, I honestly don't even know the details of why her parents were incarcerated. It certainly was giving white color crime.

Speaker 2 I think they, I don't, I don't, I don't really know.

Speaker 1 I don't think she stole from the elderly.

Speaker 2 So there is that.

Speaker 1 That's better than Jen Shaw.

Speaker 2 But her parents.

Speaker 2 Her parents were pardoned. Repardoned.

Speaker 1 And I, you know, I got to hear Savannah's story while on special forces, and Savannah really stepped up and took care of her young siblings. And she has been through hell.

Speaker 1 And again, I don't know what her parents did or didn't do, but for Savannah, I am incredibly happy for her that she gets to be with her family.

Speaker 1 And so good news for that family. I'm sure people have a lot of opinions, but you know, I'm happy for her.
Well, you know.

Speaker 2 Thank God they're out, you know.

Speaker 2 And do you think they will go back to filming Chris Lino's best?

Speaker 1 Oh, my, oh, my shirt. You think I feel like immediately?

Speaker 2 I think immediately. You're getting the cameras running.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 The deal's already signed.

Speaker 1 I think she's going to be in the parking lot of prison just rolling

Speaker 1 with that iPhone.

Speaker 1 Right? You have to.

Speaker 2 If she's not having a Naomi Campbell sort of exit from prison senderback. Send her back a redo.

Speaker 2 Redo immediately.

Speaker 2 Be wearing the vintage Dolce Gabbana, like whatever the fuck. And strut.
I'm honestly shocked that they took that and no one, none of those.

Speaker 2 officers in that prison were like hmm like whoa kind of eat whoa what's this in this box yeah here? You know, maybe we just

Speaker 2 didn't catch the dull Jacobana dress. I shoved up my ass.

Speaker 3 They made me cough, but that bitch didn't come out.

Speaker 2 A full vintage gown.

Speaker 2 Wait, so who's your favorite on

Speaker 2 Mormon Wives? Ooh, so I started the season out with a ranking. Oh, no.

Speaker 2 I mean, okay.

Speaker 2 Bring out the notes. This was like after the first episode.
Like, I found a cast picture picture and I like did the whole ranking thing. Hold one, hold one, hold one.

Speaker 2 So is this, this is pre-first episode? This is after the first episode. I have Taylor at first.
Obviously. Michaela at second.
Macy at third.

Speaker 1 Taylor is obvious, but why Michaela and Macy? Give us your reasoning.

Speaker 2 I just, like, they seem the most understanding that they're on television. while also like people in the world.
Like still having a soul.

Speaker 2 Yeah, there's like something that's like yeah it's like will mom talk survive but like also like is my friend okay yeah like there's something like nice there's a heart in there yeah so like i i kind of with them for that four is demi which

Speaker 2 that slipped quite heavily five is jesse six is layla seven is jen eight is the new girl and nine five more people than nine is whitney yeah whitney moved up this season for me though she

Speaker 2 well I don't know if she moved up or if just a lot of people moved way past her.

Speaker 1 So, and is your ranking more based off of your enjoyment of watching them or like your judgment of them as a human being?

Speaker 2 That is so interesting because I was thinking about that also when I was like looking through this. I was like, how was I ranking this?

Speaker 1 Because like as a enjoyment of watching pure entertainment, like Whitney is kind of one and be for me.

Speaker 2 I understand.

Speaker 1 But it's also like,

Speaker 2 she's like stirring the pot while I'm smoking it. And I'm like, I love this.

Speaker 1 But what I love about Whitney is like she sees her actions so differently than everyone else.

Speaker 2 It's fascinating. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like she puts on that tiara and is just like, this looks good.

Speaker 1 This looks great.

Speaker 2 I'm I'm

Speaker 2 slaying today. No, I really wish there was like a behind the scenes show that like she gave explanations for all of her actions.

Speaker 1 I need a pick-me-up. Can we play her hospital video?

Speaker 2 No!

Speaker 2 I need a pick-me-up is crazy.

Speaker 2 It's crazy.

Speaker 2 No, I'm feeling down in the dumps. Give me Whitney's hospital video.
Oh my god, wait, this is. It just.

Speaker 2 Nick, you're not.

Speaker 2 No. Boom.

Speaker 2 Wait, is that Hilary Duff's husband? If you're doing a heart like this,

Speaker 2 can't tell you. I can't even do it.
Like, who? I've been doing this so much. You have? I know.

Speaker 2 What is she doing? Because it's like you take

Speaker 2 this, and then like,

Speaker 2 there you go. And then you scissor them.

Speaker 2 And then

Speaker 2 I do scissor kicks.

Speaker 1 Anyways, it's so good. So, Whitney's last.
Now, and that's after season. That's afterwards.

Speaker 2 That's episode one. I would say I didn't do like an official ranking after last night, mostly because I fell asleep immediately after it was over.

Speaker 2 But Jen Jen is definitely, or Demi is definitely like towards the bottom. I don't understand.

Speaker 2 I don't understand

Speaker 2 what her plan of attack is. Like, I don't think she has a plan, but she seems like she does.

Speaker 2 When they were sitting doing the like

Speaker 2 meeting, yeah, you know, like, who's going to be back in mom talk? Oh, and Taylor's like, I think Demi's out. She's like, we're not voting on me.
You're so stupid. My God, you're an idiot.

Speaker 2 She's like, that's not what I said at all.

Speaker 2 It was the most.

Speaker 2 It was tough to watch and we've gotten to know demi in person oh really enjoyed her company quite lovely in person so the character is no that's what's hard about reality tv now is that like before it was like oh that's the person yeah now it's like is this the shtick or the person we i mean we've i mean we've i've probably we've probably spent three hours with demi total so i i can't say that we're an expert but we've been we've enjoyed her company Okay.

Speaker 2 I think two things can be true. I think you can be a good friend and also like somebody I'd never want to work with in a business sense.
So true. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 Like, I'm just like, she's over here trying to get her friend kicked off the show.

Speaker 2 Which one? Which one? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Her best friend, Jesse, first, first half of the season, second half of the season was Taylor's out. That was cool.
Hearing.

Speaker 1 Oh, we interviewed Zach and Jen.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God. I'm so sorry.

Speaker 2 No, it was quite lovely.

Speaker 2 Oh, good. You should listen.
I mean, I'm so happy

Speaker 2 for you, everyone.

Speaker 1 Zach didn't. Well, I was curious because we had Zach in because I thought, honestly, like, I thought, okay, you know, I haven't, there's not, when, in reality TV, there's not a lot of men who

Speaker 1 see their mistakes and say, maybe I can be a little bit better. And I felt like this season I saw a lot of that.
You didn't know? No.

Speaker 2 Did that feel genuine to you?

Speaker 3 Yes.

Speaker 2 Oh, yes.

Speaker 2 Me too. Yes.
Me three.

Speaker 2 No, I just, it just felt like kind of desperate. Like, oh.
What does he have to gain?

Speaker 1 What is he getting out of this?

Speaker 2 Like, his family. Well, sure, but I like it.
Like

Speaker 2 kids and

Speaker 2 wife.

Speaker 1 But that's what I'm, yeah, like changing for your family I find to be like a more of a

Speaker 2 cynical bitch.

Speaker 2 Guilty, Your Honor.

Speaker 1 Guilty is charge. You're not alone in your opinion.

Speaker 2 I just, like, it all felt very convenient that he's like, oh, I've seen God.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, okay.

Speaker 2 Well, I think with Jin being like, I'm taking the kids. I'm done.

Speaker 2 He was like, whoa, like the fact that he left medical school and like had already paid a shit ton of money to like be in it and was like i'm just gonna quit like and just be like a stay-at-home dad yeah to be a stay-at-home dad okay no you guys and aren't good any of the credit you're raising points for sure i mean it's just possible like who knows maybe he'll be a shitbag in season three i don't i don't know who'll circle yeah um but no to me just kidding i guess to me calling Taylor disgusting, a disgusting human being.

Speaker 2 Yep. My jaw was on the floor.
When she was like,

Speaker 2 look your narcissist eyes in my face or something, I was like,

Speaker 2 I was like, shit, if someone said that to me, I would be swinging and not in the way that they are. Like, I would be like, yaba-dabad-doo.

Speaker 1 I mean, in that way, I think

Speaker 1 what's been similar from Whitney on season one and to me on season two is their insane confidence that they're right.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 When no one understands the problem.

Speaker 2 When no one's backing them up. No one's backing up.
They're like, I don't get what's wrong. And I'm like, well, let's look inward and then also read the room.

Speaker 2 Not one person is not encouraged. Not one person is comfortable.

Speaker 1 They're like double, triple, quadruple down. And they're just steadfast.

Speaker 2 They're like, right, everyone? This is how we feel. And then when nobody agrees,

Speaker 2 she's like, oh, okay, now no one wants to talk. I'm like, oh my God.
She's like, I'm so disappointed in all of you. And it's just like, girl, you're the only one alone with this opinion.

Speaker 2 It's like unreal. I kind of live for it.
It's inspiring. Also, that scene of Demi yelling at Taylor's mom.
Like, I was just like, oh, if you could sleep at night after that performance.

Speaker 2 Her saying afterwards. After that performance was a crazy way.
Her saying afterwards, and I haven't even put on my boxing gloves yet.

Speaker 3 Yeah. I was like, so you're going to hit her?

Speaker 2 Honestly, though, Christmas. If you're going to fuck with one of their parents, Taylor's mom is not the mom.

Speaker 2 The one.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 I mean, or the dad.

Speaker 2 She wasn't the one before the fate, the the the new plexoplasty and the nose shot and she's definitely not that bitch after no I'm not afraid of a lot of people like certainly to confront them or be in some type of you know disconnect with them Taylor Frankie Paul the whole Paul family she is so unafraid she doesn't give a fuck the way she in Arizona the way Layla tried to like stand up for Demi and she goes no no no wait until I'm finished and she continues going and then she goes you can go and she's like all right I'm done go exactly and I was like

Speaker 2 gag hero i was like literally shitting the follow-up was so good no i taylor like really she definitely needs therapy but like wow what a inspiration yeah the like just unabashed honesty where it's just like so how are you doing at the like uh meeting at on the couch and she's just like well i could say something about you but it's not going to be nice so

Speaker 1 But she's so self-aware, you know, and she'll be and she is the first to apologize and take responsibility.

Speaker 1 She she is.

Speaker 2 I mean, she might do it again tomorrow, you know, but she still at least owns up to it. And I think at least owns it.

Speaker 2 And like the level of delusion of like Demi kind of being like, you know, we, we, we have to talk about Taylor being in this group because of the opportunities that she's getting and like she's, you know, getting opportunities before us.

Speaker 2 And then go back two episodes and it's like, Taylor's being flown on a private jet, being shown like your group chat messages. Like, she's not worried about you.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Like, Taylor's the only one flying private. Let's talk about that.

Speaker 1 Taylor's the only one if they like took off the show, people actually might be like, you know what?

Speaker 2 We're I don't need to watch this. I don't think I'd have the same.

Speaker 2 It's like, who's going to take Taylor on for season three? Nice try. Oh my God.
Right?

Speaker 2 I don't know. I didn't hear season three is like so crazy.
Oh, it's already filmed. Oh,

Speaker 1 they're almost done. And yeah, I've spoken with several people in the know.

Speaker 2 Oh.

Speaker 1 And they think season two is really just an appetizer, which is crazy.

Speaker 2 Setter me hungry.

Speaker 2 hungry hungry hippo

Speaker 2 do you what do you make of uh how it all ended with the the accusation that jesse stepped out i don't feel that i have all the information like you're smart they it's just like i'm not gonna judge yet i guess i'll have to watch season three period um

Speaker 2 but isn't that like how the show started was they were all kind of stepping out so like well jesse was by her own admission a swinger in her first marriage that's what i thought yeah so she's like what do you mean babe we're not swinging in this

Speaker 2 like it's been five years.

Speaker 2 She's like, oh, I thought we were kind of still doing that.

Speaker 2 My bad. You're not.
That's great. But also, are we going to talk about like the subtle hot mic moment with Damien outside the bakery store?

Speaker 2 Which, by the way, can we talk about how Salt Lake City has a literal baking goods store? Like to buy

Speaker 2 like a wall of sprinkles. I was like, wow, that's kind of cool, I guess.
It's like the Michaels of cooking.

Speaker 3 With Brett being like, what the?

Speaker 2 She's like, why are you getting sick of it?

Speaker 2 And when the cameras are down, and that's when you know when they're taught, she's like, I just think it's weird, you're defensive.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, no, the way that she brought up all of those rumors on camera and all those rumors about you cheating on your first marriage, and then all those rumors about you going to rehab because you were hooked on drugs, and all those rumors that you were like hooking up with all those trippers, and all those rumors that you were like in the you could absolutely tell that

Speaker 1 no idea where she was going to bring that up.

Speaker 2 No, he was shook. Also, do we think his jaw is real or filler? I actually have real focus on this.
You really?

Speaker 2 Oh my God, he has like a Thanos level face.

Speaker 1 I think he just comes from a very attractive family.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. Must be nice.

Speaker 2 It's like sexy squid bird. Yes.
That is a great way of putting it.

Speaker 2 The jawline is wild. Some of it is hot.
You know?

Speaker 1 No, totally. Gaston had to be like inspired by somebody.

Speaker 2 I was talking about Beauty and the Beast. Oh, I thought you were talking about Taylor Green's boyfriend for a time.

Speaker 2 I literally didn't know why we were talking about it.

Speaker 1 We don't love Beauty and the Beast.

Speaker 2 No? Sorry? Just me? I guess I don't have an opinion.

Speaker 1 We're re-watching a lot of Disney movies with my daughter, so maybe that's

Speaker 2 on the break. You're like, I guess I'm just a really good dad i guess yeah i guess i'm just present

Speaker 2 so well actually turning on tv is maybe not that present because she's like in the other room and nick's still watching walked out and nick's like oh it's the best part honey wait

Speaker 2 no that's so real though so many of my friends have had babies and i was just over at my friend's apartment and her baby was there and i was the one playing i was like oh we should make ring toss out of like i was fully enthralled with like infant toys i'm like this is telling Yeah.

Speaker 2 Oopsies.

Speaker 2 Sorry.

Speaker 1 So you've been a photographer at Fashion Week.

Speaker 2 Oh my God. Yeah, but that's like...

Speaker 1 I feel like you have some good stories.

Speaker 2 I have like a past, like, I've lived a hundred lives. We love that.
Yeah, I went to school for photography at NYU. And so I thought I was going to be.

Speaker 2 No, it just means that like I had a ton of student debt.

Speaker 2 But yeah, I thought I was going to be a photographer and then I've not done anything with it. I actually do have one complaint for Mormon wives.

Speaker 2 My one complaint for Mormon wives is the 10 episode seasons.

Speaker 1 I think that can just be like dropping all at once or just that there's 10?

Speaker 2 The dropping all at once and also just the fact that there's only 10. Like I feel like I want like a full season.
Remember when TV shows used to have 20 episodes?

Speaker 2 22 episodes and then a three-part reunion. Yeah.
Thank you. I can be able to tell you.
I do have the content for it.

Speaker 2 Well, you already teased at the end of the season, like the fight between Jesse and her husband. And then it was like this like micro clip.
And then it was like, all right, tune in for season three.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, I would tune into 100 episodes of this season watch me during love island okay yeah yeah i i mean if i'm running hulu i get why they limit it to 10 because like there's so much in these 10 episodes that like you can call it a whole season i agree with you on the why are we dropping it all at once there's too much there's so many like little meaty things in each of these episodes that i like we're kind of just forgetting to talk about or bringing up that we could dissect if like we could watch an episode or two at a time and really enjoy it but like we're watching four and then we're like, wait, wait, was that in this season or last season?

Speaker 2 No, I got it. I also feel like we miss so much because like Macy and Michaela posted a video of them being like, why do all these girls fight all the time?

Speaker 2 And then they're like, us when we're filming and it's them doing like a cute little TikTok, but they were clearly like dressed in some sort of hunting garb that like made them both look like the thing and it's all like shaking and whatnot.

Speaker 2 And it's like, we'll never see that. Didn't see when that happened, what day that was.
And I want to see it all. I want the cutting room floor.
Yeah. There's

Speaker 1 a lot of deleted scenes, which like, like why are we deleting yeah like just add the episode we want it we want it i'm following all of them i honestly think with it's funny because it's mormon wives you know for all the conversations that since reality tv has existed about like well like the unreal that was like loosely based off the batcher franchise and all the horrible evil things like producers allegedly did and things like that i think honestly that show has always been widely exaggerated i think it was far more true about reality tv in the past i can say with like mormon wives, these women are so given.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 1 That there are a lot of things that just don't make the edit because it's just like there's a level of consideration about these people's real lives.

Speaker 1 And I think there's a lot of things that just don't make it because it's too heavy and too much and too dark. And I think they are playing the long game.

Speaker 1 I think it's, you know, when you're the bachelor franchise and you cast 25 new people every season, And it's just like you just squeeze whatever juice you can out of these people because fuck it, we're done with them.

Speaker 1 There was no Bachelor in Paradise. There was no Bachelor pad.
There was no like trying to build these characters. You could, you could kind of screw them over and just be done.

Speaker 1 With these women, you got to be careful about like

Speaker 1 you want to nurture these relationships. You don't want to screw really any of them over.

Speaker 1 I think there's a lot more consideration than people want to give credit to the producers and production of these shows.

Speaker 1 They're not the evil reality TV producers that I think so many of us grew up thinking they existed. I think there's a lot of consideration for these people's lives.

Speaker 1 And that's just how crazy it all is.

Speaker 2 Yeah. It's like, to be fair, as soon as I'm done watching, I'm just going through all of their TikToks and like, okay, who remote it? Let me try to figure out what this is about.

Speaker 2 They've recently all like followed each other back. They're back commenting on each other's stuff.
Whoa,

Speaker 2 nature's healing. See, that's it.
Nature's healing.

Speaker 1 That's playing the longest.

Speaker 2 World hunger is now cured. I know.

Speaker 2 They're really pushing the needle forward.

Speaker 1 I don't know how genuine that all is, though, because they're still talking shit in the comments.

Speaker 2 Oh, 100%.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I don't know.
I did see Demi comment on Jesse and Whitney's. Jesse and Whitney are in like Amsterdam right now.
I don't know what they're doing.

Speaker 3 Jesse and Whitney?

Speaker 2 Yes. That's doing some sort of press for Disney.

Speaker 2 And Demi commented and said, I'm so jealous. You guys look so cute.

Speaker 2 Did I miss a chapter?

Speaker 2 That's where I'm always like, can we at least get like a time stamp of where the last scene was filmed? Yeah, can I get it? So I know how far this is.

Speaker 2 Like screenshot of the text message where you said, okay, I guess we're friends again. Yeah, literally.

Speaker 1 Being producers of these women, waking up every day with being like, fuck, geez, could you guys just stop, take a vacation, please?

Speaker 2 Like, just do a little dance. Yeah, please.
Can you guys stop talking to each other for one month?

Speaker 2 One month.

Speaker 2 They can't.

Speaker 2 They can't.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 Demi just texted me.

Speaker 2 Wait. Suddenly I'm a little fly on this green wall.

Speaker 2 Suddenly he's perched on that little leaf over there. Who is that? And you're guys, that's a statue.
Look away.

Speaker 2 I'm like painted gray.

Speaker 2 You have to be naked, though, if you're going to be a statue. I'll do it.
I'll commit to the role.

Speaker 1 Chris, where can people enjoy your hilarious comedy?

Speaker 2 I am doing live shows.

Speaker 2 I have a show in Seattle tomorrow, Portland.

Speaker 2 But I'm on YouTube. I just launched a new podcast, Chris vs.
the People. Love.

Speaker 2 TikTok, Instagram, the whole thing.

Speaker 1 You do a lot of crowd work in your stand-up doctor. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 I love that.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I've been interviewing people on the street in New York for like over a decade.

Speaker 3 What's a question you would ask me if you were to stop me on the street?

Speaker 2 Pull one out of the files. See, I always have to.
Let me look at my notes. Oh, yes, of course.
Oh, I love like the, oh, if the purge was real, who's the first influencer you're hunting down?

Speaker 2 Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 So who? Come on, little Miss Iwana question.

Speaker 2 Have you heard of Natalie Joy? I fucking hate her.

Speaker 2 I'm a real hater. You're like, I hate her.
I want to rob her.

Speaker 2 Just bleep that, period. Oh, my God.
James Charles. Ew.

Speaker 2 I don't know. Oh, I thought it was like who we're robbing.
Oh, robbing? Because it's the purge.

Speaker 2 Oh, kill. Yeah, James Charles.

Speaker 2 The whole point was murder. Oh, yeah.
Did you see him on the red carpet?

Speaker 2 I saw the KMAs, and I was like, are you fucking kidding me?

Speaker 1 James?

Speaker 2 And no one took a picture of him. Wait, James? Yeah, there was like no flashes.
That brings me so much joy. I'm a hater at heart.
No, he's kind of, he's truly a horrible.

Speaker 2 He's repulsive, and I will die on this fucking hill. I'll die with you.
You have to watch a video of him on the red carpet. Not one flash.

Speaker 2 Oh my God, this is what it's like me on a carpet. Oh, my God, Dag.
When paparazzi

Speaker 2 morals and don't give a fuck, you've done something bad. Yeah, like I know if there's one that was like old.

Speaker 2 Sorry, guys.

Speaker 2 This is this, we can't. Everyone's like, oh, it's a pedophile.
No.

Speaker 2 We don't want to be complicit. Yeah, paparazzi having morals is great.

Speaker 2 Not on the big go card, but like

Speaker 2 we're getting somewhere here. Something is healing.

Speaker 2 I don't know what. Not sure at all.
Something.

Speaker 1 Chris, please come back, man.

Speaker 2 You're welcome anytime. I would love to.
You need a floor rug. I'll I'll be it.

Speaker 2 It's great to have you. Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 And where can people find you on social?

Speaker 2 Just Chris Clemens. You can search Chris versus the people on YouTube or wherever you get podcasts.
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Speaker 2 Welcome. Hi.
Thanks for having me. How are you? I'm scared.

Speaker 2 Fair.

Speaker 1 We've been critical, as I like to say, of your character on television. Never met you in person.

Speaker 1 And I just want to say thank you for coming because lots of times the people we tend to be critical of don't show up or don't want to come.

Speaker 1 Props to you for being willing to come because, you know, we've obviously have been critical of you on the show.

Speaker 1 so I do want to thank you for coming I really I really appreciate it

Speaker 1 I always look forward to these conversations because I know what it's like to be on the wrong side of reality TV and have people like say things that I don't agree with but

Speaker 3 do you even list do you know what we said about you do we know I've gotten sent I've had a couple fans recently I think in like the last week be like they said there's a chair welcome for you if you disagree you know on whatever they're saying so you need to go and set the record straight and I was like all all right,

Speaker 3 so I do the thing, you know, I'll go to the podcast, transcripts, search my name. I'm like, all right, I got to see what's going on here.
So I've seen a little bit, but nothing wildly offensive.

Speaker 3 I think it's fair that, you know, anything you guys have said that has been critical of me, I think is fair as a viewer watching.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 3 And I do think that there are a lot of misconceptions and things.

Speaker 3 And I feel like this was the right environment to talk about those because I really feel like you guys, like I listened to your podcast with Michelle.

Speaker 3 I felt like you guys did a really beautiful job of kind of getting to the bottom of a lot of misconceptions she had.

Speaker 3 And yeah, I'm excited to have the platform sharing your platform with me to talk about this.

Speaker 1 Well, thank you for coming. Since you brought it up, what did you like most about that episode?

Speaker 1 For us, I mean,

Speaker 1 yeah, I mean, it was tough. You know, just seeing their dynamic with a child involved is always kind of a little uncomfortable.
And Jesse is welcome. He has an invite to come.

Speaker 1 I love the opportunity to hear his side as he likes to point out there are two sides to every story. story.

Speaker 1 After hearing Michelle's side, I have a harder time believing that his side has any weight to it, just because her side I thought was so compelling. Yeah.
Do you see it that way? Yeah,

Speaker 3 I think the hard thing with Jesse and Michelle was we didn't see kind of everything that was happening in their marriage while they were still married. We saw the very end and like the downfall of it.

Speaker 3 But, you know, for years before that, we kind of saw Jesse being MIA and not being the best husband.

Speaker 3 So then all of a sudden when it was like, well, it's all Michelle's fault, you know, the people who know them best were like, oh, it's not.

Speaker 3 Like this, you know, this guy has not been great for a very long time.

Speaker 3 And we're just seeing, you know, the end where maybe she's made some mistakes, but we're not seeing the whole picture.

Speaker 2 I feel like I heard enough when she

Speaker 2 was like, he knew that my mom was sick and dying and he still. treated me this way.

Speaker 2 And that was where I was like, all right, I, you know, there may be two sides to every story, but that tells me everything I need to to know about you.

Speaker 3 I completely agree. And I will say, like, Michelle found out that her mom, her mom was going through health issues, but she didn't have a diagnosis.

Speaker 3 She found out her mom had cancer right before we filmed season one. So she was also, you know, coming to terms with that news while having a camera on her face for the first time.

Speaker 3 And then right before we started filming season two, she really found out that it was like a months left situation. And I adore Michelle.
I, she's one of my closest friends.

Speaker 3 And watching her do everything that she's done, like she is one of the strongest people I've ever met in my entire life.

Speaker 3 I don't know if I would have been able to show up and share my life and go through the stuff she did with Jesse while also dealing with my mom sick at home and also being like the best mom in the entire world she could be.

Speaker 3 So watching her navigate the last two years through all of that, like

Speaker 3 I just, I love her so much and I really felt for her.

Speaker 1 Jesse brings up Michelle cheating every single episode. and Michelle has acknowledged that she kissed some guy.
And I'm not saying

Speaker 1 that's nothing, and I'm not saying it's okay, but the level of disrespect or even emotional torture that it seemed like Jesse caused Michelle, like it just and I and I guess from Jesse's point of view, and by point of view, I mean like the way he sees himself as such a victim in this relationship.

Speaker 1 I guess I get why he has this attitude, but the yeah, it's just like, what do you believe? Because what I would love to know, and I'm curious about your opinion, is that

Speaker 1 to me, the Michelle kissed a guy at the tail end of their shitty relationship to me is like an eye roll.

Speaker 2 I agree.

Speaker 1 Does Jesse believe that she did more or does he acknowledge that's all she's done?

Speaker 3 I think he knows that it was just a kiss, but I think he has enjoyed other people putting it out that it's something more.

Speaker 3 And, you know, Michelle and I had lunch right before we filmed the reunion. And I sort of said, all right, tell me the whole story.
Cause I've always heard bits and pieces of things.

Speaker 3 And Michelle's opened up to me, but she really laid it out like the entire story of everything she did wrong, you know, in full detail. And I was listening to it and I was like, that's not that bad.

Speaker 3 And not that I condone cheating at all.

Speaker 3 Like, I, I think it's horrible, but I think that the narrative that has been put out there that she like had a boyfriend for a year or a year ago or had a boyfriend at all and all of these things that were being said.

Speaker 3 I'm like, that's not the truth. The truth is 1% of like the wrath that she's getting.

Speaker 3 You know, if she really was having a full-on relationship or affair, then maybe she would deserve some of the, you know, backlash she was getting from it.

Speaker 3 But I'm like, you kissed somebody after you told your husband you wanted to separate and like you were kind of checked out of your marriage and things still weren't changing.

Speaker 3 That to me is like a one-time mistake and a forgivable offense. It's not like this, she's been having these boyfriends for so long and this whole thing that everybody's been saying about her.

Speaker 3 I'm like, the truth is very mild compared to what everybody's saying.

Speaker 2 Jesse enjoys like feeding into that. There's probably more that happen narratives to make her look worse.

Speaker 3 Definitely. And still like sticking by also like, oh, I heard this rumor.
Like, come on, Michelle's not doing that. It's just not.

Speaker 1 Like, here's a moral question. I'm sure there'll be a lot of opinions on both sides.

Speaker 3 Because like in a marriage, obviously it takes lawyers to end that relationship but if you ask for a separation i guess your partner can say i don't i don't you know is it cheating after that i think when she asked for a separation then he begged her to stay and was like please give me another chance i will start showing up for our family showing up for you as a husband give me like one more chance and she you know as a woman who has a child with this man wants to keep her family together was like okay like

Speaker 3 that's the least i can do let's like meet with this life coach i'll give it some more time i don't want to just she didn't want to get divorced she didn't want this to be where she ended up like she wanted a happy family happy husband happy child all that so i think you know she gave him another chance because it felt like the right thing to do even though maybe her heart wasn't in it anymore maybe for jesse like if you want to save your marriage maybe don't go to a life coach who you're friends with yeah yeah yeah I always, whenever anybody tells me they're going to a life coach, I'm like, licensed therapist, you're licensed for a reason.

Speaker 2 Or just like someone who's like

Speaker 2 you're a bro.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Scream into a pillow, bro.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 The scream into the pillows.

Speaker 2 Just a thought.

Speaker 1 I think. Focusing on you for a second.
You obviously, you know, we've talked, we've been critical. I think I called you the worst the other day.
You did?

Speaker 2 She's like, oh, and I'm out.

Speaker 2 You don't see that in the transcript.

Speaker 2 It's a figure of speech.

Speaker 1 But, you know, you've gotten a lot of criticism online. What, from your point of view, before I kind of ask you specific questions, like, how do you feel the most misrepresented?

Speaker 1 And I guess, because you mentioned, oh, I

Speaker 1 understand why some people feel the way they do. So is this like blaming the edit or is it like things are out of context? Like, can you explain what you mean by all that?

Speaker 3 I think I would say like the biggest misconception I feel like I have that you guys have been critical of is the fan thing.

Speaker 3 And I feel like this has been something that's kind of like run wild that, you know, I've always admitted that I was a Bravo fan before I met Sheena.

Speaker 3 And it was more like I liked Andy and Watch It Happens Live and a lot of the housewives. I absolutely had seen Vanderpump rules.
You know, I'm a millennial from Ohio.

Speaker 3 I'm like their target demographic. Of course, I've seen Vanderpump rules.
But I think I've always, you know, admitted that for years. Like we talked about how we met.

Speaker 3 I went up to her and I was like, you're Sheena from Vanderpump. Let's take a picture.
But we ended up spending the entire day talking.

Speaker 3 We talked about what it's like getting divorced in your 20s, which both of us had done, starting over, like all of that.

Speaker 3 And I think fans and other people have like encouraged fans to be like, Janet stalked Sheena. She sought out a place in reality TV.

Speaker 3 She was like evil, conniving, trying to, you know, maliciously work her way into fame. And that's something I can't own that I, you know, that is annoying to see about myself because it's not true.

Speaker 3 I think that there's a lot of people, you know, I've always like, yeah, I've been a fan for years. That's how Sheena and I met.

Speaker 3 Sure, it's like odd, I guess, to start a friendship as a fan and somebody who's on reality TV, but I never felt embarrassed to be a Bravo fan. And that's the truth of how we met.

Speaker 3 So there are a lot of people like in our friend group who will be like, oh, Vanderpump Rules, I had no idea what that was.

Speaker 3 I just made friends with these people completely organically and I had no idea that they're famous. And it's like, that weirds me out.
I'm like, what do you, I know that you saw it.

Speaker 3 You're lying, but like, why? Like, just admit that you saw the wildly popular show that these people were on. You thought it was cool.
And yeah, that you ended up having a real friendship with them.

Speaker 3 So I hate that people make it like a malicious thing, but that's, you know, and I hate that, you know, I feel like some of my friends have leaned into that and encouraged that narrative.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, I think it's a fun narrative. We've joked about it.
I honestly don't even, I see your point. And I, yeah, actually, everything you said makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 1 And I also think it's, to your point, it's a popular show. At this stage of Bravo in its existence.
There's not a single person who gets cast on the show who isn't a fan of the show.

Speaker 3 Right. Honestly, Michelle's the only one.
She was the only one before season one. I was like, have you seen reality TV? And she's like, I saw one episode of the recent Kardashians.

Speaker 3 I'm like the self-produced recent Kardashians.

Speaker 3 And she's like, yeah. And I remember right before we started filming season one, Michelle goes, what's the drama even going to be?

Speaker 2 And I was like, oh boy.

Speaker 3 I was like, oh, no. You know, so Michelle might be the only one who truly never really saw reality TV or anything before

Speaker 2 Mia and Danny kind of the people who were like, who's this?

Speaker 3 I actually don't know truthfully if they saw the show before. I think Danny met Jax and Brittany through Teddy Mellon Camp.
So it was like they were aware when they met them that they were on a show.

Speaker 3 They made friends with them

Speaker 3 knowing that. I don't think that they had like weird ulterior motives to like.
get on TV using people. I don't think anybody did that.

Speaker 3 And, you know, it's interesting, like people are like, Janet used Sheena. She Sheena and I have been friends for almost nine years now.

Speaker 3 Like, it's also like, if I was slowly working my way, like nine years is kind of a long play.

Speaker 2 Like, it's kind of a long time to be.

Speaker 3 And like in that time, like, and no shame to anybody else who was seeking a spot on reality TV, but like, I've never applied or auditioned or went out of my way to like try to get on any show.

Speaker 3 You know, Brittany came to us a few years ago and was like, we're pitching this. Can we give producers your name?

Speaker 3 At first, Jason and and I were like, Jason's like, I can't be a lawyer and on reality TV.

Speaker 3 And after we talked to, you know, his partners at his law firm and producers, we were like, this actually could be a good opportunity for us.

Speaker 3 I was a personal assistant before this working like 60 hours a week, constantly managing somebody else's schedule. And right when it kind of all came together, like I had just quit a job.

Speaker 3 I was like, oh, like with a celebrity, I was like, I'm never, this is not the right fit for me. I had quit, found out I was pregnant like two weeks later.

Speaker 3 And I was like, oh shit, I'm going to have to like immediately start interviewing before I'm showing. And then Britney, you know, producers and Brittany were like, hey, we're green lit.

Speaker 3 Like they want us to do this. And that was kind of the moment where Jace and I had to decide like, which path do we want to take?

Speaker 3 Do I want to immediately start interviewing and try to get another assistant job before I'm showing?

Speaker 3 Or do we want to like take this weird leap of faith, see what this happened, like what happens with this? And if it's, you know, we were like, we'll do do it for a year and see what happens.

Speaker 2 And here we are now.

Speaker 1 Being a fan of reality TV and certainly understanding how it works, how did you approach going in? Like, did you have,

Speaker 1 I guess, you know, and the way I reason I ask this is because I guess more my actual criticism of your character that I watch is if I was being generous, I would say, this is somebody who knows reality TV.

Speaker 1 Maybe you were a fan, whatever all that aside, but like that you, you want to play the villain, that you want to stick your nose in in where sometimes it doesn't belong that you want to call out people for things

Speaker 1 because as a character whether i'm critical or not like you you are giving and you

Speaker 1 i pay attention to scenes that you're in and villains are stars of shows and so yeah like sometimes you you you say shit that i'm like why would you fucking say shit like that like you as a human being if if you were in my friend group i would take exception to how you you you call out some of your friends.

Speaker 1 That would be my actual criticism, but

Speaker 1 how would you respond to that?

Speaker 3 I think even knowing, you know, being a reality TV fan, watching Sheena, Ariana, my friends, Katie, everybody do this for years and years, I maybe went in season one a little cocky thinking like, I know how this all works in that like, you have to share, you have to give your opinion, you have to do this stuff.

Speaker 3 I think as much as you can like, almost watch everybody else do it.

Speaker 3 There's nothing that can really prepare you for having it be your life, your group of friends, you know, real stuff happening that you have to address in the moment.

Speaker 3 And I definitely did not go in hoping I would be the villain. Like that was something that surprised me.
I've always maybe said things I shouldn't say, gossiped a little bit more than I should.

Speaker 3 That is like, you know, something I would consider maybe a flaw of mine or something that has gotten me in trouble with friends in the past. But it definitely wasn't.

Speaker 3 I wasn't like, oh, I want to be the villain because that whatever.

Speaker 3 I went in and was like, I'm going to be myself and try to be as authentic as possible because I feel like the people I've watched do this that are authentic to themselves and don't hold back are the ones that come off the best.

Speaker 3 Like, if you try to write your own story, it's very clear to me. So, no, my, my goal is not to be the villain.
I would have loved to be like liked. Like, that would have been nice.

Speaker 3 But I think, yeah, definitely some of the things that I do and say rub people the wrong way. And I, I get that.

Speaker 1 The good news is, in my experience,

Speaker 1 often

Speaker 1 the stronger, bigger personalities at first are criticized because it's sometimes a lot for the audience to take in.

Speaker 1 But if you have the opportunity to come back, which you guys do in an ensemble cast, the more consistent characters are, the more consistent characters are, you find your fan base.

Speaker 1 You know, you may not be liked by everyone, but you will find your people who say,

Speaker 1 I'm a Janet. Yeah.
You know, kind of like on Sex of the City. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So there is that. Do you have,

Speaker 3 what is your most regrettable moment so far while filming the valley that's tough you can list more than one i feel like in season one i wish i would have spoken up more and explained more about the like racist republican thing because i still feel like that's really misunderstood remind me again of that um it's like such a wild long story but michelle and i right before season one started filming it was actually the day she found out her mom was sick we had dinner and we ended up talking about a bunch of political stuff that was coming up.

Speaker 3 Michelle had one comment that like rubbed me the wrong way and I mentioned it to Jasmine.

Speaker 3 Again, this is like, I probably shouldn't have done that, like mentioned it to Jasmine and Jasmine ran with it to Zach, who ran with it to Kristen.

Speaker 3 And by the time it ended that telephone, it had changed from like, I'm worried she might support this bill that's not great for the gay community to like a racist Republican.

Speaker 3 I'm like, I didn't use any of those words. That came like through Zach and Kristen.

Speaker 3 And that, like, I wish I would have explained that more in season one. I also wish I wouldn't have been on such a high horse about my pregnancy maybe season one.

Speaker 3 Like, you know, when you're pregnant for the first time, I was like, I am putting a force field around myself. Like, I'm not, I don't want to be stressed at all.

Speaker 3 Anybody was giving me stress, I'm like, I'm pregnant. Like, leave me alone.
And I watch it back and I'm like, oh, God.

Speaker 3 Like, but at the end of the day, I also had a healthy child, you know, so I'm like, maybe it worked doesn't, you know, I don't care at the end of the day i'd rather stand up for myself and put this bubble around me and end up with a healthy child so i don't know i have i'm sure there's other regrets that i have but those are the ones that stand out the most to me i have more questions but

Speaker 2 no no you're you're on quite a lot

Speaker 2 yeah go ahead i was wondering like do you feel the because you were talking about being authentic to yourself and like those people um shining i'm like do you feel like the depiction of you is accurate from like what we've seen thus far on the valley because i'm like obviously we only get to see like a little bit.

Speaker 2 So we're all just kind of coming up with who your character is based off of that. So do you feel like that that's an accurate read on who you are?

Speaker 3 Yes and no. I think that it's sort of like bullet points, but there's always more to the story.

Speaker 3 There's always stuff, you know, I'm married to a lawyer and we have very like logical, debate-y conversations often where we're like, you know, we see things that are shown.

Speaker 3 We're like, but they didn't show this or this or this. Or like, there's more to that story in that with this context, it makes more sense why I said this or why I did this.

Speaker 3 But, you know, I think it's one of those things with reality TV, it's a 45-minute episode. And with as many people as we have, you can't include every bit of every backstory.

Speaker 3 So there are definitely pieces, there's stuff that I see myself where I'm like, that is me, good, bad, ugly.

Speaker 3 And then there's stuff where I'm like, oh, if people knew kind of the whole long version of the story, they might see it differently.

Speaker 2 Right. What do you feel like made you so uncomfortable about the Danny in the closet thing.
Was it because you know that they kind of protect or hide certain parts of their relationship?

Speaker 2 And so it felt to you like, oh, he's hiding this. Yeah.

Speaker 3 It was a couple things. One, you know, I had a very long conversation with, I wasn't there Halloween night when Danny put his hands on Jasmine, Melissa, and the other people that night.

Speaker 3 I know of like a few others, a few other friends that don't have anything to do with the show that also had that experience. And after Halloween, I had, I wasn't there.

Speaker 3 I was like eight months pregnant at home. Jace and I were at home.
But like the day after Brittany called me, Jasmine called me. We had pretty long, extensive conversations about what had happened.

Speaker 3 And Jasmine was really shook and was really reasonably, I think, bothered by what had happened, along with. the other people that were involved.

Speaker 3 And for me, when he came in the pantry, I was just immediately, I think, I don't know if it's just like being a woman, but like when a man comes into the room and like a small area and closes the door, I was like, oh,

Speaker 3 like

Speaker 3 it just was this weird, like, oh, I'm not super comfortable, but paired also with like, I know that you put your hands on our friends when you were drinking and like, here you are drinking and I'm in like a closed, confined space with you.

Speaker 3 It just made me feel not great. And I was like, if you're hiding something, wait five minutes for me to get my Easy Mac and get out of here or like 30 seconds even.

Speaker 3 Like, I just was like, if you're hiding, whatever you're hiding from, if it's hiding from cameras, if it's hiding from Nia, I don't want to know about this.

Speaker 3 And I felt like there had been a couple of times where things had happened with Danny.

Speaker 3 I had told Nia privately, but like, I'm having to break news to her, like, hey, your husband kept this thing a secret. I just, I don't want to have secrets with somebody's husband.

Speaker 3 And it just, you know, I, I also didn't want to blow this pantry thing up, like to be maybe even as big as it was. It just was a moment where I was like, oh, this is a little uncomfortable.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So for the, for the fans who,

Speaker 1 who see it as Danny and Nia

Speaker 1 are the healthiest couple in this

Speaker 1 group of people who seem fairly toxic

Speaker 1 and that,

Speaker 1 well, no couple's perfect and every couple, you know, every couple has shit they deal with. I think it's just more, when I say healthy couple, it's more how you deal with it.
Right.

Speaker 1 So I really, as a viewer, well, maybe it's a little boring, respect how Nia and Danny go about their relationship and seem to,

Speaker 1 well, you know, I don't, whatever happened with Danny and,

Speaker 1 you know, the touching, obviously inappropriate. Yeah.
I appreciate his willingness to hold himself accountable and apologize as many times. as as people seem to want to demand apologies.

Speaker 1 Like, I would love an apology from Jasmine.

Speaker 2 You know,

Speaker 3 I haven't watched it, but I'm like, I'm still triggered.

Speaker 3 I get that.

Speaker 3 I mean, I think it was the accountability thing, I think, is also something that all of us that kind of like struck a chord in Santa Barbara, because once you get to a point where if you're drinking so much that you're putting your hands on people and making them uncomfortable, you can say, I'm sorry, all you want.

Speaker 3 And that's great. And I think at first, like, Danny was saying all of the right things and apologizing very sincerely, it seemed, you know, I, Jasmine sent me the text that he sent her.

Speaker 3 I think it was a couple things.

Speaker 3 I think all of us assumed, you know, if you black out from drinking and you wake up and you're told you grabbed your friend's butts and made these inappropriate sexual comments to them,

Speaker 3 you also want to see not just a written apology, but change in actions and behavior afterwards.

Speaker 3 And I think in Santa Barbara, we're like, here he is under a roof with all the same people still getting blacked out drunk.

Speaker 3 And I think he should have been a little bit more aware that that was going to make people uncomfortable.

Speaker 1 So in Santa Barbara, he was black out drunk.

Speaker 3 I think so.

Speaker 2 But can I ask, because I think this is like where it's getting a little confusing for the viewers, is that it seems that he did do something different by putting himself to sleep, but then everyone had a problem with the fact that he was asleep.

Speaker 3 I think it wasn't necessarily just that he was asleep. I think it was when we're like, hey, where's Danny? What's going on? It was the, he's napping, he's this.

Speaker 3 And we kind of seen that before where it's like, you know, we're all at dinner and Danny seems to start getting drunk and Nia's like, our babysitter called. We have to get out.

Speaker 3 And it was, she had never really just been able to say like, Danny's had a little bit too much of drink and is annoying me. So we're going to go home.
It was kind of constantly always other excuses.

Speaker 3 So in Santa Barbara, we're like, it's kind of clear what's happened here. And instead of just being able to say, hey, he drank too much and he's passed out and like, let's all leave him there.

Speaker 3 It was like, he's worked so hard.

Speaker 3 He's, and it's all these, and I understand like wanting to keep positive, but it's also like at some point, we're just never going to acknowledge that something's happening here.

Speaker 1 How do you guys distinguish between Danny's drinking and the rest of the group that also seems to be extraordinarily heavy drinkers? And in some cases, drinking or alcohol seems to just be the.

Speaker 1 tip of the icebergs of the substances they seem to partake in.

Speaker 3 I think it's a couple of things. One, everybody else seems to be pretty honest about it.
Like if we all get drunk, I'm not seeing people say like, I wasn't drunk. I didn't drink that much last night.

Speaker 3 And also Danny put his hands on people.

Speaker 3 I think it changes, you know, when you grab someone's butt and make sexual comments, like your drinking now is worrisome and giving people a little bit of anxiety.

Speaker 3 So I think, you know, if I think if Jax, Jason, Jesse, anybody else did something like that, we would have the same concern.

Speaker 2 Do you have issues with the way that Jesse spoke to Jason in Santa Barbara? It was clear that Jesse was pretty drunk when Jason came to check on him in his room and he kind of got aggressive with him.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I think it was more like when Jason came in, I think cameras came in too. When I watched that, I'm like, he's not so much yelling at like Jason to get out.
He was like, I'm done, everybody out.

Speaker 3 That's kind of what I got.

Speaker 3 But also, like, you know, right before we went wine tasting, you know, Jesse had been up all day, all day, I guess, since like six in the morning drinking and admitted, like, oh, I've polished off like three bottles of Prosecco before we got into the wine tasting.

Speaker 3 So it's like, what am I supposed to be? Like, you're drunk. He's like, tell, he's like, I'm drunk, everybody.
I drank.

Speaker 3 So it's kind of hard when somebody's, some people are seemingly hiding things and trying to paint a pretty picture. And the rest of the crew is just like, yep, we're drunk.

Speaker 3 It's, there is a difference.

Speaker 3 And I think, well, I think it's, it's also just once you put your hands on people. For me, that would have been a rock bottom moment.

Speaker 1 Is this a hands-on situation? Has this been a recurring problem?

Speaker 2 Or is this

Speaker 1 again,

Speaker 1 doesn't make that incident okay at all? But has that happened multiple times?

Speaker 1 Or was this one night where it got really out of control and he really needed to check himself in a way that he never had to check himself before?

Speaker 3 I think that was the worst of it. That one night was definitely like I haven't heard of him grabbing somebody's butt and making sexual comments like that.

Speaker 3 I think that was definitely the worst night of it.

Speaker 3 But there have been other nights where he has been drunk and acting inappropriately in a way that I wouldn't want my husband acting, you know, or anybody who's married acting.

Speaker 1 The way Danny drank a glass of water when Jasmine

Speaker 2 when they met up again for another apology. At a bottle.

Speaker 2 He ordered that water real drink.

Speaker 2 Piggybacking off of that, I guess, with Jax's behavior, obviously the beginning of the season and entering a facility, I know he's out and I don't know what happens for the rest of the season, but how are we handling Jax's integration back into this group of friends?

Speaker 2 Or are we drawing boundaries? Because if Danny's offense where I'm like, I feel like what Jax has done is so much worse. Definitely worse.
Definitely. Not even, not even comparable.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think that's what, especially this show. I think that's what a lot of fans struggle with is that there's this one incident and everything you're saying is valid.

Speaker 1 And I think everyone agrees, but it's, it seems like it's getting a whole lot of attention. versus some of this, the atrocities of some of these other castmates.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And the way you guys are hyper-focused on this and just like, it's been like three or four episodes.

Speaker 1 And like all the jokes aside of the Jasmine strangling me and things like that, there just seems to be like, I mean, yeah, that didn't make me uncomfortable. There, there was a blackout moment.

Speaker 1 And that's, I think, where the audience is struggling, which is like, it's not okay,

Speaker 1 but given just the characters. of this group and the in the and how they act and how they treat each other.

Speaker 2 You've got Jesse calling his wife

Speaker 2 a horror.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you know, and it's just like the way you guys gloss over that is

Speaker 2 I don't want to gloss over any of that.

Speaker 3 And I think that, you know, in real time, as everything was happening, I mean, I've been extremely critical of Jax and made it very clear, like, Brittany's my girl.

Speaker 3 What she has been through is not okay. It's absolute hell.
And I will say, like, you know, I talk to Britney every single day. I don't really have a friendship with Jax right now.

Speaker 3 The thing with Jax is they, and I guess Jesse and Michelle too is like, my goal for all of them is to be able to be healthy co-parents eventually.

Speaker 3 Like the things Jesse and Jax have both done are disgusting, horrible. Like, I have no problem saying that.
Like,

Speaker 3 there's, that's the truth. But I hope at the end of the day, I want to see all of them improve.
Like, I don't want to just be like, you know what, Jax is a shitty person.

Speaker 3 Let's all write him off and treat him as if he's dead and hope he just goes away. Like, that's not what is best for Brittany.
That's not what's best for their child Cruz.

Speaker 3 What's best is him staying sober. Every like the two times I've seen Jax in the last, I don't know, couple months, like one time he came over and had a heart-to-heart with Jason.

Speaker 3 And I, you know, I was like, all right, I'm going to Britney's if you're in my home. Like I'm not going to stick around.

Speaker 3 But I told him, you need to be an AA, you need to be in therapy with a licensed therapist. You need to work on your anger or you're going to lose.

Speaker 3 You've already lost it all, but you're not going to get anything back unless you start working on this stuff.

Speaker 1 Are we certain that Jax being a part of Britney's life and her son's life in any way is the best solution. And I know that's an extreme thing to say, but this is an extreme man

Speaker 1 who since episode two of season one of Vanderpump has been a horrible person to his friends and his partners.

Speaker 1 And so much so that I honestly, and I'd love your opinion on this, at this stage of watching this relationship, Brittany and Jax, I have a hard time empathizing for Britney.

Speaker 1 Just the amount of excuses she she has made for him.

Speaker 1 And the, you know, he's so obvious in his treatment that it almost kind of comes across as her finding a way to monetize his shitty behavior for her, for the sympathy of the audience because it's, it's so, you know, that's just how it comes across because he's so terrible.

Speaker 1 And at some point, while I would agree that in most cases, you know, hey, listen, divorce is a real thing and sometimes it's the best situation for everyone involved, especially the children.

Speaker 1 But there are some people who don't deserve to be parents and don't deserve to be involved. And being a parent is a blessing.
And it's something that, you know, should be protected.

Speaker 1 And some people are dangerous and some people are horrible role models. And some people are Jax Taylor.
And are we sure that the best thing for everyone is him to be a part of this family?

Speaker 3 To be honest, I don't know. I think that's up more for Brittany to decide.
I think that I really think she was in love with this man for a long time and did like he would get better.

Speaker 3 He would change for her.

Speaker 3 Like, I think that's like something that happens in a lot of relationships where you're like, ignore the red flags and just hope that you're the one that can change this, you know, mess of a man.

Speaker 3 I think, yeah, when it comes to Cruz, Brittany's put a ton of distance there. There has been weeks, maybe months even or a month where Jax didn't get to see Cruz because of his behavior.

Speaker 3 And I think it's, you know, just a process of her. And maybe she will get to a point where she's like, I've had enough.

Speaker 3 if you're not going to change you're not going to see our child but i think that's her decision and i've always been supportive if she needs breaks you know from him i'm like yeah if he's treating you like this you keep cruise where he's safe with you and i think you know it just depends it's up it's up to her i have a hard time saying like you know what yeah jax should never be allowed to see his kid again like that's not for me to say and i check in with brittany and wherever she's at like with him at that moment i try to be supportive of that are we gonna

Speaker 3 going forward? Obviously, I guess Jax gets out of rehab soon.

Speaker 2 Are we going to see the men hold him accountable?

Speaker 2 Because we've had the scenes of Danny and Jason kind of coming into the house, Jason even driving him to rehab, kind of put their foot down and be like, this is not okay behavior.

Speaker 3 You're going to see a lot of conversations. I don't know if it'll satisfy the like, I feel like a lot of people, and I get it, want to see like Jax really held to the flame.

Speaker 3 I think it's it's a tough situation. Like, you know, right when he came out of rehab, all of us are like, all right, well, let's see if this changed this man at all, if it helped.

Speaker 3 So, you know, the second he gets out, I don't think it's the best time to be like coming down on him really hard. It was kind of like a test for us to see,

Speaker 3 did this therapy and rehab help him at all?

Speaker 2 Do we feel like we already knew the answer just because of the rage texting he was sending Brittany after the entire time?

Speaker 1 What kind of rehab allows someone to rage text and stalk their partner

Speaker 2 via security cameras? Security cameras.

Speaker 3 I mean, that's, we had the same questions, you know, all summer while he was in there. It was like, how does he even, I was like, block him, you know, like,

Speaker 3 I don't understand.

Speaker 2 How do we know he wasn't just at like

Speaker 2 a beach in Mexico?

Speaker 3 You know, it's like, well, when Jason walked in, when he dropped them off, when he dropped him off, he made sure to go in and like kind of give a brief info, like just like hey in case he's trying to charm you guys in here i want to let you know like he's struggling with this this and this and these are the reasons he's here so he wanted to make sure that you know the therapists and everybody there were aware of what he had done and

Speaker 3 i i think he really did stay at the facility brittany did like a a check-in you know there with him and brought cruise to see him once so i think he was there but it it definitely seemed really lenient from what i understand rehab and treatment facilities should be so i had the same you know all of us had had the same worry.

Speaker 3 We're like, why does he have his phone?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 One thing that back to the accountability part, and I think Jason has even said this much, and I find it infuriating with this group.

Speaker 1 They'll say something like some version of this to Jack about Jacks or to Jacks. We know you're a good guy, but it's like,

Speaker 1 why do we, how, in what world do we know he's a good guy? What about anything he's done over the past decade suggests that he's any kind of a good guy?

Speaker 1 And why does Jason, and I would say this to Thomas Schwartz, and I have said this to Thomas Schwartz or any of the Danny, like, why do they give him the benefit of the doubt?

Speaker 3 I don't think it's necessarily a benefit of the doubt. I think that they have seen, Jason's particularly has seen a different side of Jax.

Speaker 3 Like when we all got really close, it was like over the pandemic, we were neighbors. And we saw Jax and Brittany, it was sort of like the last time they were happy.

Speaker 3 And we saw them like at home with their son, like, in a very different light, I think, than you saw Jax on Vanderpump Rules. So I think that that's where Jason's comment about that is coming from.

Speaker 3 He's like, I've seen you be a good guy. I've seen you be a good dad.
I've seen you at home doing the right things. I know you can get there.

Speaker 3 But what we're seeing now is you not doing any of those things. And you need to work on yourself.

Speaker 3 Jason's also, I think, one of the only people that Jax really listens to, you know, and it's this weird thing that somehow has worked where like, I talk to Brittany and I'm there for her every single day, whatever is going on.

Speaker 3 Jax sometimes will tell Jason, like, I've been so good for like the last three weeks, Everything's been perfect. And all of a sudden, Brittany's like icing me out again.

Speaker 3 And Jason will be like, you know, then Jason and I come together in bed. And he's like, what's going on with them? And I'm like, well, he did this and this two days ago.
So that's why she's upset.

Speaker 3 And then Jason can be like, Jax, you haven't been good for three weeks. You know, you just did this two days ago to Brittany and talks it out with him.
What, like, why would you do that?

Speaker 3 What led you there? You need to work on your anger. And Jax does listen to Jason.

Speaker 3 I know Brittany really appreciates their relationship because it kind of is the only time that he stays on good behavior is when he has these like real talks with Jason.

Speaker 1 It was an accusation that seemed to go nowhere, and I actually quite appreciated Jason's response to it. But the ring

Speaker 1 commentary. I will say, as a newly married man, I love wearing a wedding ring.
I never take it off. So it is a bit like confusing when like

Speaker 1 Jesse or anyone else was like, well, when I forget to put it on, I mean,

Speaker 1 you know, I mean, I know Natalie, like, when she does her makeup and, you know, she does does nails and stuff that, you know, women take it off.

Speaker 1 But as a guy, I just like, what you like it so much, you have two.

Speaker 2 I love it so much.

Speaker 2 Literally. Literally.

Speaker 2 Very taken. Yeah.
Double take it.

Speaker 2 You know, ladies.

Speaker 2 In case one falls off, there's another.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I don't know if there's really anything to say, but like, we're, we're, there.

Speaker 1 Did you say to Jason, like, why are you ever taking that?

Speaker 2 Why are you taking it on?

Speaker 3 Jason and I both, when we're at home, don't have our rings on. Like, it's just, yeah, we have like ring holders like next to our bed at his office.

Speaker 3 Like I have one next to the couch and we just truly like don't wear our rings at home. When we go out, it's like we put our rings on.
But like when he goes to the gym, he's out and about.

Speaker 3 He doesn't wear his ring. That's never bothered me.
Jason's like the most trustworthy, good guy.

Speaker 3 I really believe that he is extremely trustworthy and has great character. So I'm like, a ring is not some sort of force field that like protects you from ever doing anything wrong.

Speaker 3 What protects my husband from not cheating on me is the fact fact that he just is not a cheater.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 1 We are a big Kristen Doty.

Speaker 2 Well, we're friends. We know we're.

Speaker 1 And we're fans as well. And while she's certainly not perfect and not always right, what I do love about Kristen is she is consistent with her loyalty.

Speaker 1 And I love the way she stands up for her friends. Where do you stand with Kristen today?

Speaker 3 Kristen and I are not in the best place still. But that being said, like she's nine months pregnant, I think right now, due like very soon.

Speaker 3 I don't like, I remember when I was that pregnant, like like the littlest thing is just like can ruin your day or, you know, set something off.

Speaker 3 I right now, like truly, when I think of her, I'm trying to send like all of the positive thoughts and energy her way because at the end of the day, Chris and I had a very real friendship for a very long time.

Speaker 3 And while we might not be great right now, I am so happy for her. She is going to be the best mom.
I'm so happy that she has Luke and that she's like in this place in her life.

Speaker 3 So while we might not be in the best place, I really do like, I'm happy for her. And I want her to have like the most healthy end of her pregnancy, birth.

Speaker 3 Like, I don't want to throw any stress her way, right?

Speaker 2 Do you hope that your friendship will get back to where it was?

Speaker 3 I don't know if it'll ever get back to where it was. Like, we were friends that talked like hours on the phone every day.

Speaker 3 We saw each other all the time, like knew everything that we were, you know, I knew where she was at 24-7. She knew where I was 24-7.
Like, we were very, very close.

Speaker 3 I don't know if it'll ever get back to that, but my goal this past summer and, you know, in recent times has been, I really want to get to a place where we can have fun together and like, at least be able to be in the same room and not have like animosity and just be able to like, hey, we might not be best friends ever again, but can we just like have a good time at Dave and Buster's?

Speaker 3 And like, I was like, the more like happy moments that I can make with her, I was like, that was my goal this summer. Like,

Speaker 3 I was like, nobody's going to like fight in Dave and Buster's until like Jesse and Michelle suddenly are like having a whole meltdown there.

Speaker 3 But I'm like, Chris and I can have like a fun time at Dave and Buster's and then we can go to Santa Barbara and and have a couple good times. Like we make a couple happy memories.

Speaker 3 We'll at least get on that track. You know, blurting out this ring rumor kind of threw that all off for me.
I was like, okay, I was really hoping we would be able to have like a peaceful, fun summer.

Speaker 3 And when she blurted that out, like my initial response was like, I looked at Jason, I was like, this, like, I could just tell on his face. I'm like, all right, I have nothing to worry about.

Speaker 3 He's not reacting with any sort of like guilt or nervousness. I'm like, all right, this is fine.

Speaker 3 But later I kind of like sat with it and I'm like, wow, but even though I'm not worried about what my husband's doing, this sucks that like this person that I'm trying to create happy memories with and move forward with is coming for my husband in marriage.

Speaker 1 Which I totally get. But my question is just to follow up on that is since you guys were so close, why do you feel like it's impossible to ever get to that place?

Speaker 1 Because it hearing your version of it from an outsider's point of view, it makes sense why you were so close, but it also makes sense why, because it seems like the thing you're most critical of Kristen Kristen is something that you're also guilty of, which is sometimes saying things out of pocket and to hurt people when you're hurt.

Speaker 1 Definitely. Knowing that you guys both do that to each other, why can't you, just from your point of view, I mean, I could ask Kristen the same thing

Speaker 1 if I get a chance to do that.

Speaker 1 But why can't you...

Speaker 1 Well, I understand why it's all upsetting and understand why you feel the way you do, offer the grace of like, well, you know, I've done that.

Speaker 1 And if we just stop doing that, maybe we can have that friendship once again.

Speaker 3 That was kind of my goal. I mean, the beginning of this summer, we sat down and have a conversation where I apologized to her.
I'm like, hey, I roped you in with the Zach stuff.

Speaker 3 I should have said the stuff about him, but I shouldn't have included you in that. I wanted to, I was like, that was wrong of me.
I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 I apologized for calling her crazy. That was not something I should have done.
And I think that's, you know, I sat across from her and said, I'm sorry for these things.

Speaker 3 And I said, Are you sorry for anything that's happened? And she said, no.

Speaker 3 Still after that, I was like, I still

Speaker 3 let's let it go. I, who cares at this point? Let's try to have like a fun summer a little bit.

Speaker 3 So I still, even though I didn't get an apology, apologized to her. And I'm still like, all right, come to my birthday party.
Let's have fun. Let's try to move forward.
Then this ring thing came up.

Speaker 3 So it just felt like, like, I kind of felt like an idiot. I'm like, why am I trying so much with this person?

Speaker 3 I'm apologizing, not getting any apology, and inviting and including her, trying to make happy memories.

Speaker 3 And she's taking all that and then being like, but your husband, it's like, all right, well, I'm kind of an idiot if I keep trying at this friendship when you're making it clear you want nothing to do with me.

Speaker 2 What about Zach?

Speaker 3 Zach and I have finally gotten to a place, I think, of a little bit of peace. I would like to move forward with him too.

Speaker 3 The things that happened between us were really difficult to work through, but I think the reunion was good for us.

Speaker 3 And since then, you know, I reached out and I've texted him a little bit and we've had small talk, but you know, the beginning of a not screaming at each other, like just having some text exchange that's not like, you said this, you did this.

Speaker 3 And I was really appreciative. Like when he went on Watch It Happens Live, he took the high road and I was like watching the whole time, being like, he's going to say something horrible about me.

Speaker 2 And I watched and I was like, oh, all right. Like, okay, thank you, Zach.

Speaker 3 I was like, I will share that same sentiment when I go on Watch What Happens Live after you.

Speaker 3 Like, so it took me a long time to move on from the stuff that Zach had said, but I really did get to a point where I was just like, I'm just, I'm done with this.

Speaker 3 I don't want to think about it anymore. People make mistakes.
We've beaten this dead horse to a pulp. Like, I want to move on.

Speaker 2 Before we let you go, do you

Speaker 2 regret or stand on comparing your ex who struggled with addiction to Danny?

Speaker 3 Yes and no.

Speaker 3 So, you know, for me, what I was seeing was often at like our group dinners and things, Danny starting to get a little drunk, Nia visibly looking uncomfortable and being like, we got to go, we got to go.

Speaker 3 And there was just a couple times or often, I guess, when they were around where I was like, oh, his drinking, it appears, is making her uncomfortable and giving her anxiety and she's needing to get out of these situations.

Speaker 3 I've been there and maybe I projected too much of my own experience and feelings onto her,

Speaker 3 but everything I was kind of clocking was like, oh, she's being made to feel uncomfortable and have anxiety about like not letting people see him drunk or, you know, kind of hiding these things.

Speaker 3 He's drinking in the pantry and hiding it. Like the things that I had experienced were things I was seeing with them.

Speaker 3 And I felt like in Santa Barbara, it all came to a head where, yeah, all of us were talking about it when she left the table.

Speaker 3 So when we had this opportunity to sit down all together, just the girls, and she's saying like, hey, the thing that hurt me the most was that you guys waited until I got up from the table to say these things.

Speaker 3 You know, I'd rather you guys say things directly to my face.

Speaker 3 I was like, This is an opportunity for me to not do the shitty thing and go behind her back and talk about it, you know, the second she leaves.

Speaker 3 I wanted to say to her face, one, like, I want you to know about this pantry thing because I had talked about it with others in Santa Barbara.

Speaker 3 So I want to say it directly to your face and tell you what I saw.

Speaker 3 And also, I was like, This, I am feeling this way of like, the stuff stuff I'm seeing is how I felt when I was, you know, with an ex who had issues.

Speaker 3 And I felt like we all kind of bit her head off in Santa Barbara about his behavior.

Speaker 3 And I didn't, if there really was something that going on there, if there really was an issue, if she was really feeling uncomfortable about his drinking and all of that, I wanted her to know, like, it's not always going to be all of us biting your head off and blaming you for it.

Speaker 3 If you're really struggling with stuff, you do have friends. I've been there.
I felt like it was a, my goal was like, it's not a horrible situation that only you're going through.

Speaker 3 I've been in this situation or what I perceived as a situation that she was in.

Speaker 3 And if that's what's going on, I want you to know that you have people to talk to about it, that we're not always going to do what we did in Santa Barbara and bite your head off.

Speaker 2 It did not go well.

Speaker 1 Do you think it's possible that it has more to do with the fact that she is just trying to protect her husband from the cameras and the microphones that are there filming you guys as opposed to be more similar to your abusive ex?

Speaker 3 I think it's,

Speaker 3 just to be clear, my ex-boyfriend just had, you know, he had some drug and alcohol substance issues. Like there was, it was never a abusive, I think he abused drugs and alcohol, but I apologize.

Speaker 3 So I was just, yeah, it was like one of those things where, I don't know, I just was recognizing a lot and I was like, this seems like the same thing. And I'd rather say it directly to her.

Speaker 3 If I'm feeling this way, she's, this is my friend sitting here saying, say it to my face, anything that you guys have an issue with.

Speaker 3 And I felt like it was the right time to say, if this is what's going on, I've been there. Obviously, she did not take it that way.

Speaker 3 And, you know, maybe I was off base in thinking that, but that was just how I felt in the moment. I was observing, you know, a lot of instances of this.

Speaker 3 And I was like, I, I think I should say something here to her face. I wish I didn't now.
You know, I wish I would have just let it be.

Speaker 3 I think, you know, it's at the point where if she's comfortable, if she and Danny are comfortable with his relationship with alcohol, we've all said our piece. We need to like let it go now.

Speaker 3 Like, and I think it's up to them to decide what they're comfortable with moving forward.

Speaker 2 If that was the state of that meeting of like, hey, say everything to my face, as soon as she left, why do you think Jasmine? kept it going?

Speaker 3 To be honest, it was a really, I think we were all planning on sitting down and kind of dissecting Santa Barbara and really getting, instead of concentrating more on how Danny and and Nia felt and what they were going through, I think we really did need to, that was the time that we should have acknowledged Jasmine's feelings and how she was feeling triggered and not well with the whole thing.

Speaker 3 And because Nia then opened up about her childhood and she's crying in front of us, and I mean, it was, it hit us all, you know, in the gut.

Speaker 3 We were like, oh, this person has been through a lot that we had no idea about.

Speaker 3 And while we really appreciated that, it's like also hard, I think, for Jasmine then to look at her friend who has tears in her eyes and say, like, hey, I still need to talk about like my feelings, though, and like how I'm not okay still.

Speaker 3 And I think it kind of took that opportunity away from Jasmine or she didn't feel comfortable like saying directly to her face, like, hey, I'm still triggered by this, and this is why, and I want to work through it.

Speaker 3 So, I think it unfortunately, then when she left, I think Jasmine's like, I'm still not okay. And she was crying.
And I think all of those feelings are valid.

Speaker 3 And I wish she would have expressed that when Nia was right there.

Speaker 3 But I also understand because when somebody's crying and talking about their childhood, it's not exactly easy to be like, well, I still have like a bone to pick about this situation.

Speaker 3 It's not like the easiest environment to say something like that.

Speaker 3 And to your point earlier also of like, you know, protecting people from the cameras and everything, none of us are here with like a gun held to our head to participate in, you know, reality TV.

Speaker 1 I think it's fair to suggest that maybe Danny and Nia are not built for this environment. I just more,

Speaker 1 I just kind of could see it as just that rather than there's a deeper, darker reason.

Speaker 3 Totally. And I, but the thing is, I respect them the way they handle things privately.
I think it's just in this arena, we all kind of agreed to show up, to tell our truths, to talk about our lives.

Speaker 3 And I think if all of us did it sort of the way they are, then we're not really talking about anything.

Speaker 3 Or if all of us are, you know, skipping dinner, going back home and missing things, then, you know, you never have all of us at the same table together.

Speaker 3 So it's, it's a fine line of like, I very much respect them for how much they love each other, how much they, you know, how much she protects him and their

Speaker 3 way they handle things privately. I admire that.
But I also think like at some point then maybe look at like, is this the right place for us then?

Speaker 3 A place where you're being asked like to share your life openly and honestly and dealing with things out in public instead of behind closed doors.

Speaker 2 Do you and Jason ever fight?

Speaker 3 Of course we fight. Of course we fight.

Speaker 2 We're going to get a Janet Jason fight on camera.

Speaker 3 Season one, you saw me snap at him. He left me alone with to cook for everybody when I was like seven months pregnant.
And then Jesse snapped at me and Jason's like,

Speaker 3 I was like, oh, hell no. And I stormed off.
And I remember having a moment where I like went into our bedroom and like, of course, Jason and cameras are running after me.

Speaker 3 And I was like, okay, I have like 10 seconds to decide. Do I lock the door and hide from this and like deal with it privately and just pretend I, oh, everything's okay.

Speaker 3 And then scream at Jason when we don't have mics on. And I took like a breath and I was like, we signed up for this.
Like, and so, you know, tears and all, Jason comes running in after me.

Speaker 3 Camera's in our bedroom. I'm pregnant sobbing about having to cook dinner.

Speaker 3 Like Jason and I don't get into huge like blow-up fights, but anytime, you know, that we're filming and that something comes up, like we take it as it is because that's our truth.

Speaker 3 Like, I don't have anything to hide where I'm like, oh, we we get into these like blow-up arguments behind closed doors, but to cameras, we hide that stuff. Like,

Speaker 3 you know, we have our normal disagreements and arguments that as they come, we're like, we got to share this because we agreed to share our personal life with an audience.

Speaker 3 And that's, this is part of it. The good, the bad, the ugly.

Speaker 1 Well, Jan, I want to thank you for coming and facing all these questions. I really sincerely appreciate it.
I do have one last question back to the

Speaker 1 why I have a hard time empathizing with Brittany. It's just like, in what world can Brittany act surprised? Like this past episode is like, I can't believe he wasn't paying the mortgage.

Speaker 1 And it's just like, I can't believe that you were thinking that he, that you were trusting Jax

Speaker 1 to be responsible in any way. And I think it's that kind of just constant behavior from Brittany that it's just like, I mean,

Speaker 1 like, what are you doing here? Why aren't we learning from your mistakes? And even if you're her one mistake is to constantly think that that Jack is going to show up in any sort of way.

Speaker 1 Like, why, why do you think she does that?

Speaker 2 That's tough.

Speaker 3 I think Brittany truly was in love with this man. I think she had rose-colored glasses on for a very long time.

Speaker 3 I remember the first time she called me right around the time they separated and was like, finally, like let it all out and was like, fuck him, like, and fuck him for doing this and this and this.

Speaker 3 And it was like, and I was like, oh, finally, because there had definitely been stuff when they were married that I'm like, that's not okay. That's not cool.

Speaker 3 Like, and she's, oh, I know, but he didn't, you know, and I I watched her make excuses for him. I think she did it for so long that it's hard to break the habit.

Speaker 3 And I truly think she was in love with this man, unfortunately. And she actually had seen him do some good things.

Speaker 3 So I think she gave him like, he would give her a breadcrumb and he, she would be like, that's all I need for, you know, see, he did this one thing right.

Speaker 3 So I think she gave him the benefit of the doubt a lot because she was in love with him and wanted him to change and thought he could. And I'm seeing somebody now that's not putting up with any shit.

Speaker 3 Like, I think if and when there's a season three, you'll see a much stronger and different side of Brittany that's putting her foot down, putting boundaries in her life that are important.

Speaker 3 And of course, it's going to be a daily struggle, like holding this person accountable.

Speaker 3 And some of the stuff he did this summer, it's like so big and horrible that it's like, honestly, even from Jax, it was like shocking. I'm like, what do you mean you didn't pay your mortgage?

Speaker 3 Like, what do you mean, like, this and this? And it's just, I can't be too mad at her for trying.

Speaker 3 She's trying to break a habit of being the one who always was an apologist for him and defending him blindly. And I think old habits died hard, but she's definitely a lot stronger now.

Speaker 3 And I think, you know, if you saw and talked to her now about Jax, you would see a different side than even just a year ago.

Speaker 1 Okay. Well, Janet, thank you again.
Thanks.

Speaker 1 Where can people follow you on social?

Speaker 3 I'm at Janet on Instagram. You got Janet? I did get Janet.

Speaker 1 Just Janet? Yeah.

Speaker 3 I don't, Janet Jackson's team really fucked it up.

Speaker 2 I don't know what

Speaker 3 really dropped the ball there, but yeah, somehow I got it.

Speaker 2 All right.

Speaker 1 Well, thank you, Janet, and thank you guys for listening. Thank you to our guest, also, Chris Clemens, as well.
We will see you back on Monday.

Speaker 1 Don't forget to listen to the Going Deeper episode of Zach and Jen if you haven't already. Next week's another banger.
We'll see you then. Bye-bye.

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