E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit

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You're crazy what's going on everybody welcome back to another episode of reality recap a special edition of reality recap because it's wednesday wait i thought you have you i thought you have to say welcome back to another episode of the Vile Files reality recap edition oh yeah I'm sorry welcome back to another episode of the Vile Files reality recap edition it did seem a little off it did it wasn't right welcome back Victoria first of all Victoria wants us to make a public service announcement obviously we are back in our little pop up studio food truck Yeah. Listen A food truck.
Yeah. Listen, we have a lot of equipment here, but not everything came.
So our lighting is not where it's going to end up being. Right.
Less than favorable. And so Victoria came in, really pissed off at me.
Just a little you know a little annoyed given the fact that um just my face so if you saw yesterday's episode i am wearing a lot of powder today and i am so sorry about that nick said glow up next time next time you come back to this particular place if if there is a next time um he's like ed i's like, Ed, I will be the judge of that.

Well, no, no, no.

I'm just saying like,

we'll just see if we're still here.

Right, right.

Because we are in Miami.

I promise you better lighting.

Then you will like glow up,

so to speak.

Thank you so much.

Yes.

Please don't judge Victoria's face.

Or mine while you're at it.

Yeah, it would be nice.

Anyway, congratulations again to Grant and Juliana. Yes.
Great. Excellent.
Letia, we finally watched Letia's, well, we watched. Victoria was watching two brothers jerk each other off.
Oh my God. White Lotus.
So sick. Yeah, that was gross.
But yeah, so what do we think of Latia's, what do we call it? Her case that she pleaded. Listen, I think she has a strong case.
I think she definitely brought the receipts, you know, her being like, well, he didn't dispute any of them. He wasn't like, I actually never gave you a journal to write your feelings.
Here's a question. Here's a question.
When someone says, I'm going to bring the receipts, does that require you bringing anything physically tangible? Or is your truth a receipt? I think it's just like a term nowadays. Like gaslighting? Yeah.
I think it used to be like physical evidence. And now it's just like, I'm bringing the receipts.
And it's like, in my mind like what you get when you buy something i'm gonna bring the receipts you gaslighting narcissist and then she'll be like yeah you told me you liked me the most yeah she's like and these are the receipts from my memory as long as you hold out your hand and read your truth from the palm of your hand you're like and then and then you said i was the one yeah but he didn't dispute any of it he wasn't like well i actually didn't say that which i really think pissed off latia yeah because like i i felt like grant said handed him as grant has all season long very kind very thoughtful very empathetic man came out knew he's gonna take some punches at any moment he looked like he could cry i wasn't sure if that was a performance if that was real he came out very just very yeah he was nervous very well also his his fiance was listening to let's be like and you told me that like on the second date uh you i was the one and then the third date and then group date. And then like every day you said I was it.

You said you liked me the most.

Wait, no way.

But that wasn't on camera.

He's like, all right, that's enough.

He's like, you're going to want to stop talking.

Have you ever like brought the receipts

or spoke your truth to someone

and that their response was honestly like as thoughtful

and as kind, as empathetic as possible. And it kind of pissed you off because you kind of wanted to get into it with them.
Yeah, for sure. Yeah.
I felt like that's what would happen last night. It's like whenever I remember when I was like a teenager growing up and my mom would get mad at me for something and I would just say, okay.
Yeah. Yeah.
Okay. Right.
And she'd be like, damn it. Yeah.
Damn it. Fight with me.
That was Grant. He was like, no, I'm really sorry.
I definitely hurt you. Okay.
And I'm so sorry. And you're the best.
And I'm the worst. And you are so wonderful.
And I'm absolutely terrible. And I'm an idiot.
And I'm an idiot. And I'm, you are, and I, and I have to own that.
And she was like, well, let me just repeat exactly what I repeated before. Cause I'm so really because i'm so really pissed and honestly like and like you know you always can kind of tell where the crowd's going because like you know do they cheer like they brought out latia uh she spoke her truth then they brought out grant and he got quite a warm welcome really so yeah and applause if you will applause it was like you know what they're like, actually, we don't really care about anything she said.
Bring them out. I feel for Latia in a sense because, you know, I've been there twice in her position.
And it's just like you, listen, like your truth or whatever happens to you feels so intense. It happened to her.
You know, she did get let on, clearly. Like, her emotions were fucked with by a lot of people, not just Grant.
Mm-hmm. But the entire Bachelor Nation, the audience, everyone, like, this is the show.
You know? It's kind of like, we lack a little, like, it's like in the real world, it's like, you know, don't do that. The empathy's not there.
But in Bachelor world, it's like, babe, you know, hey. You're like, and that's life.
This is the big leagues. And you're going to want to move on.
Quickly. Yeah.
Like right now. I was a little disappointed that nobody asked Juliana how she felt about Latia's exit.
Oh, that's a good, yeah. I was thinking that too.
I was like, I wonder if Juliana is going to say something on her own accord and be like, by the way, love to also give my support to Latia. I know, obviously, she feels this way.
Did she not? She stuck by her man. Well, she wasn't asked.
And it wasn't like, and what is she going to say? She's going to say, here's what she's going to, I promise you, there's going to be some version of, it's obviously a very difficult situation for everyone. I love Latia.
She's amazing and blah, blah, blah.

And obviously, Grant was, you know, I don't condone what he did, but obviously, like, he is a great man and he obviously didn't mean it.

And, like, it's just a very difficult situation.

Yeah.

That's true.

All right.

Asked and answered.

Here we go.

Thank you, John.

And that's that.

They did announce Bachelor in Paradise once again. Why'd you write Justice for Zoe, Leah? Like, what do you mean? Well, I wrote that before I watched the last three seconds of the show and she was brought out.
I just felt like she wasn't there at Women Tell All. She was the end of the season.
She got, well, I mean. She got the last 45 seconds.
They're like, I will bring out Zoe for the next 30 seconds. Yeah, but Zoe the season.
She got, well, I mean... She got the last 45 seconds.

They're like,

I will bring out Zoe for the next 30 seconds. Yeah, but Zoe the human,

she was wonderful. It was 11 p.m.

Basically,

she was still there because they forgot,

because Grant forgot to send her home, basically.

It was like, oh,

Zoe, you're still here. They did her dirty.

Yeah, she got no

hot seat. She didn't get to talk to Grant

at Women Tell All. She didn't get to talk to Grant at AFR.

What was she going to talk about? Maybe she had

Thank you. Zoe, you're still here.
They did her dirty. Yeah, she got no hot seat.
She didn't get to talk to Grant at Women Tell All.

She didn't get to talk to Grant at AFR.

What was she going to talk about?

Maybe she had something to say, but no one asked.

They're like, no, you don't.

How did it feel not to get a one-on-one, Zoe?

No, but even then they sit her down,

and then it's like as if they're going to announce her

as the next Bachelorette, and then they're like,

so how do you feel about Bachelor in Paradise?

Oh, my God, the longest question ever.

The golden Bachelor in Paradise. It was like so.
They are combining right? Is that what they're doing? Yes. So they're allowing like baby Jess to possibly date like what was his age gaps? What was his name? Kevin or something? No, Jack.
It's her grandfather. Like is that really? They're doing that? It sounds like the rules are there are no rules.
I'm gonna throw up. Yeah.
The fact that, listen. I will watch.
It's a looks thing. I always say when it comes to age gaps, looks matter.
It's disgusting is what it is. Us? Yeah.
Okay, tell us how you really feel. No, not you guys.
You're not her grandfather. And thank God I now have the space to finally tell you I wasn't comfortable to say it at your wedding, but I think your age gets disgusting.

You fucked me on the lighting.

You guys are gross.

And I hate you guys.

No, I think that someone that old, and this isn't age discrimination.

I just think it's dirty and it makes me feel weird when I think about a girl who's in her 20s. It's almost like...
Bill Belichick. Yes, it's like it's almost like she's being taken advantage of in my opinion and it could go the opposite way too with like an older woman and a younger guy.
I just think it feels icky where it's like you have all this life experience and then you're gonna like prey on a 20 year old well it's weird that they are 60s and 70s that's what i'm saying that's

that is just too much for me it's too much i can't watch it i can't look at it i don't think

it's i think it's a look thing maybe don't you how much more is a 70 year old gonna take advantage

than a 40 year old i think there's a lot of life to live between 40 and 70. Sure.
Yeah. I think it's weird.
There is something different about a 70-year-old man who looks 70, looks like a grandfather, is a grandfather. Yes.
And is like, oh, so what did you have for breakfast? And we have to watch them try to make a connection with these younger... Yeah, I don't know.
They missed the mark on that one. Do you think it's gonna happen? No, I really hope they're just coming in to give advice.
I just hope one of the hot young gentlemen are like, so Leslie. Oh my gosh.
He just goes into a confessional and he's just like, there's just something about her. I can i can't i don't know i can't watch it so victoria won't be tuning in i will not be tuning in so so sorry about you lost a viewer you just you don't want to hear like she's aged so gracefully i think that older women are beautiful in their own right and they should bury her in their and they should date people at what are you just going to give up? I'm never giving up.
Never. Never.
How old do you want to live too? Hopefully a hundred. You do.
No matter how you look? It's not about being vain. It's not about being vain.
What if you're like deaf and blind and you can't walk and your teeth are all. So I'm Ellen Keller.
Perfect. Yeah.
And your teeth are fall out and you're like. Then I probably wouldn't want to live.
Okay. I probably would want to die.
But at that point I can't even see myself or hear myself. That's true.
Or eat anything but like a smoothie. Well, speaking of giving up, Garcelle has announced her exit from Beverly Hills Housewives.
Really? Yeah. Who's out of here? I mean, it makes sense.
And she's coming on Baxter in Paradise. No, she's not.
She found out that she can get her hands on some fresh meat. Honestly, it was time for Garcelle to exit.
Yeah. It was just like the same drama over and over again with her and i love her i met her at an event and i think she's lovely but it was like the same storyline over and over yeah you know and she never really i feel like maybe if she would have been willing to like like her and sutton kind of be able to go at it but i feel like they have such a real friendship i love it that they're just like this isn't yeah worth you know they're like listen like that's what i think and i'm sorry and i love you she also does have like a lot of other work going on that's what i was gonna say she also has so much going on now she's like a director and stuff and she's an actress so i think she doesn't need the show as much as the other ladies did it have to do with her sons is that what she said in the thing or no yeah she wants to spend more time with her family and her one son is in school the other one's starting some careers she just wants to be present I like that I love that well did you see that a United Airlines flight please stop a United Airlines flight had to turn around two hours into its journey from LA to Shanghai after it was discovered that the pilot had forgotten their passport.
What? I'm sorry, sir. Like, their one job is to remember things.
Like, they're not allowed to forget things as a pilot. You know what? They're like in the middle of the air and they're like actually we got to turn around he's like this you know he's like this yeah you know what happened his wife sent him a photo of the uh passport he forgot on the kitchen counter and kind of like do you need this right i mean how else midair that's exactly what happened exactly what happened do you think it was the pilot or co-pilot if it was the-pilot, then we're definitely not turning around.
It says the aircraft diverted to San Francisco where passengers were provided with meal vouchers. Meal? Meal.
Wow, thank you. They're like, so we actually have to wait for his passport to be shipped here.
So if you want to get some Shake Shack. Do you think it was from, so it was left in LA or Shanghai? It left in LA going to Shanghai.
Okay. Got two hours out and they were like, oh, got to turn around.
So they went to San Francisco. So not all the way back to LA.
At least it wasn't like nine hours in, you know. It could always be worse.
It could always be worse. Nine hours in would be crazy.
And they're like, actually. They could have forgot the pilot himself.
Yeah. Why can't he just not get into the country where they have flown back for anyone else who forgot their passport yeah good question i mean i get he's the pilot but who gives a fuck like am i just a passenger in seat 52 it's just wild pilot they obviously care about pilots more than they care about us yeah they do not give a shit a shit about their customers.
Yeah. No, they don't.
Well, Snow White is currently rated as one of the worst movies of all time. Sierra's on.
Rating at a 2.1 out of 10. Sierra, you're a movie buff.
You saw it. And I'm a Disney girl.
I'm curious of your opinion because obviously as everything else in this world, everything's been politicized, everything takes a side. But politics aside, when it comes to this movie, what did you think of this movie? I think that the rating is accurate.
Why did it suck? I went in fully wanting to love it. With all of the fodder around it, wanting to love it, it's Disney.
One, I wish I didn't hear Rachel Zegler's comments about how it's not the 1937 version, because it follows the formula to a T, even more so than most of the live-action movies. It's the exact same story.
I don't think Disney's figured out musicals at the moment. Every two minutes, it's a new song and none that we know.
So it's not wicked. None that we know? None that we know.
Maybe one. What's wrong with- They didn't want to pick the old songs? Yeah.
There's Whistle While You Work. There's a couple old songs, but it's like every five minutes, it's a new song.
And it just- I hate that. Yeah.
There's more songs than there is dialogue. The costuming is kind of cheesy.
Gal Gadot has a song in there that really just shouldn't be in there. It's just, it's...
Does Gal sing? I didn't... No.
No? Okay. But she does in this movie.
Okay. That I know of.
But yeah, no. Harsh.
Shade. Yeah, I'm sorry.
I really wanted to love it. I really did.
And I was even looking at Connor.

I dragged him to it

and I was just like,

I'm sorry.

Oh, no.

I'm so sorry.

Would you have left

like halfway through?

I'm not really,

I don't like to like

walk out of movies

and I always like

have in my mind,

I'm like,

maybe it's going to get better

and then it's like,

ah, this must be ending soon

and to be,

it's an hour and 36 minutes

but it feels like

it's two hours and 30 minutes. Yeah.
So you cl clapped it was over because it was done oh yeah it's done by the time it's like oh maybe this will be get better it's like no why is this happening okay no the costumes i will say the sets i'm assuming it's ai of some sort because it literally looks like they're in thomas kinkade paintings it's beautiful but um yeah no it you could wait for streaming for that Have you ever wanted to clap after sex because it literally looks like they're in Thomas Kinkade paintings. It's beautiful.
But yeah, no, you could wait for streaming for that. Have you ever wanted to clap after sex because it was so bad, Victoria? Oh, what? How did we get here? Because it's bad? Well, I'm just like, you know, the idea of like something being done and you clap and everyone's like, oh, and then you're like, well, because it's done.
Yeah, I guess maybe once or twice. Now that I think about it, I didn't really think about it.
Yeah, I'm like, yeah. Time to go home.
That was horrible. Thank God you're done.
Yeah, I guess so. There's nothing worse than a guy, you know, for a guy when it's like, you get that look? Yeah.
You're just like, whenever you're, are you ready? Are you done? You done there? Okay i guess whenever you're done i'm done yeah it's like you just do the head turn you're like okay and the guy's like are you okay and he's you're like yeah i always wonder if so much i mean you know we're all human you know i wonder if um guys and i always wondered if guys like could pick up on that because they just seem like they're in their own world you know i'm like i'm not actually here when you say like are you close though it's like they think it's because it's a good thing and you're like no no yes i'm exactly uh yeah i i picked up a long time ago i was like all right she wants us to end.

Yeah, you start like talking really dirty so they finish.

Yeah.

You say some crazy, wild shit.

You're like, God, anything.

Yeah.

I've been there.

Once or twice.

Like the way that you could like put it between my toe

and wrap it around.

Put it in my ear. Yeah, Yeah.
You start saying the craziest shit. That's life.
And then because he's like down for anything in that moment. And then you have that post nut clarity.
And he's like. Yeah.
Yeah. I didn't mean any of that.
Seriously though. You can see it in his face too.
It got so weird. The next 20 minutes, he's always checking in.
It's like, how are you? Are you okay? Are we good? You're so beautiful. What's wrong? I love you.
What's wrong? What's wrong? What's wrong? It's true. It's so true.
Oh, my God. Speaking of crazy sex stories, should we talk about White Lotus? So you finally watched?

I did.

I didn't love it.

I didn't love it.

I don't know.

Like Mike White.

He's watching,

Mike's watching too much porn,

clearly.

Yeah.

Did you see that the next morning

they were in each other's shorts?

And people are like,

does that mean they had sex?

Or does that mean,

is there like a deeper?

They were naked on drugs

when they got dressed. I think that was just like yeah he just like yeah he's just like exactly that's what i thought too but i did go there already kind of fucked up enough i don't yeah you just made me feel uncomfortable me too patrick schwarzenegger crushed the reaction though him just being like he's so good yeah yeah he's really good he's really Like crazy good.
Whose situation would you want to be in the least from everybody on this show? Definitely not interested in jerking off my brother. Yeah, definitely.
Like you wake up on a Monday morning and you're one of these people. What's the biggest nightmare here? Tax, going to prison and you get back to the station.
Wanting to kill yourself. Definitely one of the three girlfriends, because that's all first world problems.
So far. You don't want to be one of them? No, that's the best situation.
Oh, the best situation. Because their problems are all like first world problems so far.
That we know of. Also, I know this is like not, this is a hot take, controversial take.
I'm Team Jacqueline. I like her.
Like if like if she was there for her friend she's like you know hey you should you should hook up with the hottie hook up with the honey hook up the honey she couldn't close it jacqueline's married she's also yeah jacqueline's married yeah that's like a boyfriend situation with her husband the next day well i forgot yeah i forgot about that okay you know what fuck that though vacation relationship aside totally i forgot about that i forgot about that yeah so that's fucked up i'm wrong let's pretend that jacqueline's character is not in a relationship okay because that happens all like with friends happens with guys too happens with girls you go on vacation like and you meet a group of people and then all the single people it's a little bit of like let's's all be friendly, but it's also a little competitive. It's a little dancing, you know? And she was saying, Lori was saying, like, you've done this since high school.
Like, you haven't changed. So it was like, yeah.
But maybe Lori could never close. And Jack was like.
She's not a closer. Not a closer.
But maybe Lori thought she had some time because she was the only single one. Yeah, that's true.
She's like, I'll take a flow. I'm here for a week.
Yeah, exactly. It's like, you know, if it's like a sports matter before, you know, you're always passing the ball to your teammate because it's like, all right, they need some points.
So you keep trying to give them the assist. Well, how many times before they brick it? Are you going to be like, you know what, I'm just going to go in and take this period I did think Leslie Bibb what's her character's name oh yeah what is her name does she have a name she's the independent yeah Kate really that's her name I would not have guessed.
No, I'm like, what is her name? Okay. Well, Leslie Bibb, whenever she was like, it was the most relatable.
These three women are so good. They are so good.
At delivering actual facial expressions and scenarios that happen. Her telling her, being like, oh my God, and guess who was leaving her room? And then she sees her getting mad.

She's like, I thought I didn't know you were going to be mad.

So do you think her character was being honest about not realizing how true it was going to be?

Or do you think she likes the drama and she was pretending?

No, I think she was like, let's talk shit how we always talk shit.

And then like, oh, no.

Like, did you see?

Wait, you're mad.

Yeah.

And then it wasn't going to be a thing after but then laurie took it to the next level yeah when laurie wraps her out yeah she was waiting right there i'm like you guys are crazy and i'm gonna say in your single days not sure how wiped up you are uh well we'll see after this After this weekend. But I'm sure you've been out with the girlfriends before.
Mm-hmm. Have you ever felt like you've had friends try to compete with you that it was like, why are we- Listen, no, no, listen.
I've been out with Victoria before and the way that men will just be like, oh my God, like crawling all over Victoria and it makes you be like I also thought I was hot but clearly I am not like you're you walking with Victoria being like we're two bad bitches and then everyone's obsessed with Victoria and you're like it's perfect shut the fuck up it's because you're married I'll be going all because you're married and they know it's all over the internet for sure that is why but it really is humbling to go in public with victoria fuller because it is shut up yeah no so i can only imagine what her friends who get to go out with her constantly it's like wishing y'all the best good luck out there no it's um i actually feel like i always am giving my friends like the guy because sure yeah and the guy's like no no what's hoping for you yeah and then what if you know i actually had this situation happen to me recently with a friend and she got so upset with me and it's just so stupid i can't even talk about it but um in guys world and like i was i would always have like friends there's always a couple friends who you know maybe struggled to close at times yeah and and if we'd go out and there'd be a group of girls whatever they would go like dips oh we you know what i'm saying they would like we'd meet a group of people and like before we even knew like names yeah like green shirt is mine yeah well then i've been like okay we'll see yeah we'll see if green shirt's yours sweetheart by the end of tonight and then they would get mad when green shirt like you were like vibing and i'm like in what world did i was i supposed to just right sit around and watch you strike out exactly well and what did the girl in the green shirt look like? And what is her name? First and last, please. I will be finding her today.
She's imaginary. I actually had this happen to me recently.
Who are the guys you're upset like to Victoria more than you? Strangers. Okay.
Strangers. Honestly, they could have been all the grandpas from Golden Bachelor.
And I'm like, what the fuck? What about me? They're like, yeah, excuse me, ma'am. You could just move over.
The girl in the green. Shut up.
Whatever. Very true.
Not to mention you've been like pregnant and married. So it's like.
Yeah. They're hitting on you while you're pregnant.
That's insane. No.
God, no. God, no.
No. The one time I had an interaction with a man while I was pregnant, it was me walking across the street when I wasn't supposed to be.
And the man said, move it, badass. So it's been fun.
It was fun. Yeah.
No, I don't believe you. Yeah, he did.
And I said, I'm pregnant. What's your excuse? And you probably had like your cute little crop top on with your belly.
Yeah, that I thought was really cute. And then I look back at photos of me like that.
There's like a couple chambliss will constantly send me these like random paparazzi photos of me while I'm pregnant. And it is jarring.
I was doing the crop top in the shorts and it was not working for me sure it was not when i see those photos yes it was because it was a slow gradual process and you're getting more and more pregnant it was like you look great i loved it i thought you had because you used your bump as an accessory it was i thought it was so cute when cute. I agree.
When we went to Toronto and we did Alex's live show and we posted that video and it got like 10 million views, you looked stunning. Oh.
Yeah, I thought you were the cutest. You came out like this batty with a baby.
Yeah. It was like people were quite taken with it.
And I feel like you felt so confident too with with it i definitely did until i look back at some photos that i didn't personally take of myself and those paparazzi photos they're never they're never flattering no one can accuse you of staging those photos that is true yeah i definitely would have posed well they can but they can actually probably will still accuse yeah i have had plenty of like really ugly paparazzi photos and people like on stage. And I'm like, why would I want that out there? You don't think I would have maybe applied some lotion and maybe like stood up a little straighter or sucked in? Look so grumpy or pissed.
Like you want to kill someone? Did you hear that? Speaking of Leslie Bibb, she revealed that Heather Dubrow, friend of show, played a role in developing her White Lotus character. Really? As in she like met with Heather or she just watched some Heather? I was going to say, because she kind of does give Heather Dubrow vibes.
I was at a party last week. I was at an Armani.
I'll say it. Armani.
I went to an Armani. Nope.
It's okay. I went to an Armani.
Armani? There we go. Armani.
Got it. Anyways, I saw Leslie Bibb there.
She was very lovely. Did you rock? No.
I was like, love the show. She was very lovely.
Did you talk? No. He's like, I have no idea.
She didn't say words. She was very lovely from afar.
She looked very kind to the people she was talking to. She was smiling a lot.

Justin came as my plus one.

I was the Natalie.

I don't like bothering people.

Oh, good, good.

Justin was forcing you to talk to people?

No, but he was willing.

Well, I feel like Nick refuses

to go up to someone.

It's Drew Barrymore. Go over there.

Give her your number.

I remember that.

She gave me her number and it must have been a fake number because she never responded. Can you imagine? Did it go to iMessage or to Green? Drew Barrymore was like, yeah, I'm sure it's 9-1-1.
Call me. It's like what we do when guys ask for our numbers and we give them fake numbers.
Literally. She just gave them some random number.
And then they're like, all right, I'm just going to. Like, I'm going to go ahead and call you really quick.
Your phone is on silent or? Aw, did it go green or was there iMessage? It was an iMessage. Oh, so then she just didn't reply.
She was just like, no. It was her number.
She's like, yeah, I regret it. She's like, yucko.
Yeah, and I guess, yeah, Leslie was saying something about how, something about like apologizing, but not really saying you're sorry. I don't know.
What was the exact quote? Just the way that they're able to like insult each other. And it's kind of tied up in a nice little bow.
So that's kind of where you see the subtle shade with a smile. Heather's very good at that.
Exactly. I'm sorry.
Yeah, she is. It's like she's apologizing for the person she's apologizing to.
Yeah. That's true.
I'm sorry you feel that way. I'm sorry for you.
I'm sorry you're poor. Not my problem, but I am sorry for you.
Boy, those decisions seven years ago, you probably would have done something differently if you knew it would led you to this moment, right? Sorry. of how she is yeah i love it though heather's out of touchness love i know i like it too i want more of that in my housewives i don't need relatable exactly yeah i don't want you to be relatable well before we get to uh boseman talking shit about justin's girl sutton uh just a quick reminder we do have natalie from Love Island later this episode to dish on some of the tea following the finale of said show, which will be very helpful for us if we ever get a chance to talk to the rest of the cast.
But it's a nice little setup, I think, from Natalie. So that is later this episode.
So exciting stuff. Boz of Insane accuses Sutton of being mean and says she's not the person she anticipated.
She said in an interview, I'm very surprised at the Sutton who showed up in our conversations and in this season. I am shocked by it because she's not the person I anticipated.
I just didn't anticipate that Sutton would be so mean. So I don't know who this version of a person is and whether or not she is trustworthy from now on out.
I have no idea. I feel like she's one of those people that I will watch my back with.
So is she kind of saying like on camera, she's different than off camera. Is that basically what that means? Or at least she heard, you know, she just assumed she would be nicer or heard she was nice.
Or maybe she was listening to this podcast and her Justin being like, oh my oh my god I met her in person she was just like loving and amazing and then she got to meet her and she was like your wallet doesn't match yeah oh remember that no well if I'm if I'm if I'm Bozeman like who for everything we know about her is very self-made very independently successful Netflix executive entrepreneur like independently wealthy like that you know has dealt with her own trauma her own tragedy certainly sutton has as well we've heard her talk about her father and things like that but if you're if you're bozeman and you're looking at sutton it might be a little harder to respect sutton you know like sutton's like money comes from her husband her husband and like it's just like when boz and chooses not to throw her money in other people's faces and i would be a little more critical of of something you know because it's like you don't need to act this way i don't act this way why are you acting this way right you know in a way that like maybe can come across as a bit mean and entitled and and privileged i could see that but i think that that's kind of like the charm about her is that she doesn't really care. She definitely doesn't give a fuck.
No. I get a little bit.
I think she cares. Really? Yeah.
I feel like she says these things for like the shock factor. Sure, but as soon as you go Sutton, you know that one, and she freaks out and then like she loses her fucking mind as soon as like someone's like, hey, but that one time you were kind of mean.
Yeah. And she does the damage control.
She does not act unbothered. No.
I just meant she says all this shit and it's really crazy and she doesn't care what she's saying. In the moment, I guess.
Yeah. She does care if people correct her.
Come for her afterwards. Yeah.
If people say they don't like it, then she gets upset. Yeah.
Yes. She's like, well, wait, I'm sorry.
I'm just being honest. Right.
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Well, speaking of Housewives, should we get into Atlanta? Yes, of course. I'm loving this season of Atlanta.
It's only episode three, but the drama, Portia, Drew, and Dennis, and it's like, do we agree that Portia has a right to be upset that Drew is hanging out or like making music with her baby daddy?

Yes.

I think definitely.

And to the extent of like wanting to.

What was it?

Bro Drew?

How is it?

She was like, he's strictly a friend or it's very professional.

And then it's zoomed in on his name and her phone.

Dennis, bro.

I was like, oh, stop trying so hard.

Sure.

Buddy, Dennis, guy, I'm not fucking yeah exactly yeah it's like my angel on earth the editors did her dirty this episode too with the um we never talk we only text and then it's like her on the phone like on speaker from being like hey what's going on yeah yeah what did you think of uh was it Shamia calling? Yeah, Angela. Yes.
Shamia calling Angela like. LaToya.
LaToya Jackson. And then Portia goes, hee hee.
It was so dirty and so wrong. And I loved every second of it.
I loved one of them being like, well, how did we get here? How did we go? And she's just like, I don't know. I don't know.
Just like her nose. Like, it was just like, whoa.
she's like wait why are we get here how did we go and she's just like i don't know i don't know just like her nose like it was just like whoa she's like why are we calling for people's personal looks they listen atlanta doesn't hold back but it also feels like they don't take it so seriously like i feel like if that joke was said with beverly hills or with you know glasses would be tamra or something like they would yeah they would be so upset it would last three episodes long this fight you called me latoya jackson you made fun of my nose i mean i've had girlfriends who i would have been like you can't talk to me that way i'm like i can't deal with that level of intensity and they'd be like well this is just how me and my family talk and i'm like okay no that that checks out that makes sense but not for me you know so maybe like that's just yeah it seems maybe atlanta it's just like yeah that's like what they do they're just used to like you know if you're not if you're friends and you're just kind of you're at each other's throats it's less maybe triggering you know some people can't i was like i can't i hate this it like, am I not supposed to take you seriously when you call me a fucking idiot with nothing going for me? Or is that we're joking? Okay. It was a joke.
Also, Drew saying that she tried to talk to Portia about the dentist. And she's like, I asked her twice what she was doing.
When they were showing the text messages, it's like, hey, girl, you back in town? Yeah, like, want to get drinks? And she's like, oh, got to cancel. Something came up.
And she's like, I tried and she didn't want to listen. So not once was there a text that was like, hey, I have something really important to talk to you about.
Hey, I just want to run something by you. Maybe jump on the call.
Just give me a call. Maybe just like really.
FaceTime. Run it by you really quickly.
No, that was that was crazy. Also, Kenya, the whole difference between whore and hoe, is there? Listen, I do think- Whore is definitely worse, right? Yeah.
Whore is worse. No, hoe is like a term of endearment.
I feel like hoe is like bitch if it's in the right way. Like you're a hoe.
My bitch. Yeah.
Whore? What's up, whore? Yeah, that one is- That's hard. That's bad.
It's really bad. So I agree that there is definitely a difference.
I also do feel like whore isn't used as much as it once was. I agree.
I haven't heard that word in a long time. Yeah.
Bring it back? No. No.
Please don't. Never bring it back, ever.
It sounded like a gripe. No, no.
It was just like, oh, wow. Everyone's leveled up.
Yeah. He's kind of stopped calling women whores.

He's like, no, bring it back, whore.

It's so dirty.

It's so dirty.

It's like, what are we even talking about?

It's not even the same word as ho.

It's not. Not even, no.

Ho has like a bubbly feeling.

Yeah, ho's like, ho!

Ho, ho, ho.

It's like cute, you know.

Get a little ho.

It's literally part of Christmas.

Okay.

You can't.

And then we had Kelly and Portia making up over lunch.

I've never heard of a strawberry Hennessy margarita.

Would you try that? That was crazy.

What?

Sounds good.

And she was sipping.

She said it was great.

I was like, wow.

But Hennessy's whiskey, right? I think it's scoffy. These Atlanta bitches are different.
Yeah. Hennessy's crazy.
So there was Hennessy and tequila in it? I think it's instead of the tequila, it would be Hennessy. But yeah, that was an interesting drink order, but happy to see them make up.
Yeah, it was like, what was even their fight about? Just Kelly kind of talking shit about Portia, but not really knowing Portia and Portia's whole thing, being like, you don't know me. Oh yeah, being like, she didn't let her husband leave that, or something.
It was about his previous, yeah. It's just nonsensical bullshit, but I'm glad that they made up.
And then we had Kelly's Bomb On Mommy and Me event. Also, these housewives, these Elena housewives really do do things different.
Kelly's daughter, that was like her 17th birthday, got like 17 bags and they were all like designer bags. And I was just like, no, yeah.
Born into the wrong family. What the fuck? Buying designer clothes for your like young children, to me, is the most insane thing you could spend your money on really yeah they grow out of it so fast jojo siwa very graciously and kindly gifted river when she was born like gucci that's outfits along with a gucci diaper bag the gucci diaper bag is stunning that's a really cute but i'm like they're like archival pieces like I'm like I will never she can't get

like spaghetti stains on this Gucci like robber you could take pictures for it like after your wedding when you just trash the dress yeah like you can just you can get like cute photos I did not do that it is it is preserved yeah I got it going in a museum cleaned and it's preserved in a box are you gonna

wear it again tomorrow tomorrow you know like a renewal or like about about renewal or something

like 10 year would you would you ever wear it again i guess is the question probably because

it's it's yeah i probably would i think it's so classic that i i definitely would if we did

something it would be like a fun yeah like circle circle moment circle moment, I think. But I don't know.
I love your dress. I know.
Stunning. It was so good.
What did you do with the Friday dress? The river. Oh, they just let me borrow that.
Really? The sink girls, yeah. Wow.
I didn't buy it. Oh, bless them.
Lucky you, Nick. Yeah.
No, I actually bought all my wedding dresses. No, you didn't.
With your own money? That's criminal. Who was supposed to buy it? You.
You get to marry her. I got her a wedding.
How lucky are you? How lucky are you? Do you remember when we were at that first bridal shop and I was like, oh, saying yes to the dress. I am saying yes to the dress.
We like pop champagne. He's like, all right, if you want to put the $5,000 deposit down right now.
I was like, oh. And Nick was like, maybe we should look at other places first too before we decide on the first place.
Literally the first stop we went to. We had two more stores to go to that weekend.
And it was like, maybe let's not put $5,000 down right now. And thank God I did.
I had to convince you not to. I know.
She was like, but I want it. I know.
I was like, but you don't understand. This is the one.
It was not the one. And we already popped the champagne.
It was not the one. So literally it was about like, but what am I supposed to tell them? I'm like, you'll be back? Because we had done the whole thing.
We did the whole thing. He was like, are you saying yes to the dress? You had a take back seat on the dress? Oh, yeah.
She had to. I was like, so...
Well, that's his fault. He pressured you into a purchase that you weren't ready for.
He did. He did.
I wasn't prepared. It's like when you test drive a car and you sit in it and it's like, wait, it's your new car.
And you're like, is it? I, you know, cars, sales, many people do. When I first bought a car, my very first like real car, like a brand new car, everything before that was just like some beater.
I basically drove in to the dealership. And like, honestly, I don't think my car was going to work.
I don't know. Honestly, it wasn't going to get home.
And like, I was kind of, you know, I got a job or like a real job but i hadn't started the real job yet and i i knew i was getting fucked i knew i was getting a bad deal and they put my old license plate on the new car it's kind of like uh well it's yours now and i kind of like i guess but like i definitely could have gotten out of it but they just like wait that's so awkward i hate that story i basically didn't want to be like well I don't know if I want it yet and they're like they do pressure you oh yeah yeah it is crazy how like I you'll be afraid to say something because you don't want to hurt like we had some people helping us like move some pieces of ours and I was looking at all the pieces that had arrived and I was like wait I think like maybe this um artwork that was passed down from my great grandfather isn't here I'm not seeing it next like why don't you ask the guy I'm like I don't want to make him feel like he lost it right right right it's like a nice I you need to be like excuse me where is my where's my shit well I think that's a woman thing too I think we've been conditioned to do that over a long period of time where we're like scared to speak up because we don't want to make the man uncomfortable I'm the opposite I'm more like what the fuck and then he's just like oh sorry it's like when you're getting your nails done you're like like, do you like this color? I'm like, yeah, it's starting. I love it.
Love this neon yellow. Yeah.
You're like scared to like change anything. Or they'll be like, do you like this shape? I'm like, yeah.
I do. There is no- Now I live like this for three weeks.
There is no, there's very few greater like powers than be able to like sit in an uncomfortable situation and not give a fuck and you just stare at the other person and wait for them to respond oh god nightmare oh my god i thrive it's like my favorite i'll just be like yeah no i'm nick is one that could not be more zen in this like this room full of anxiety and i love that for you i'm just more like this is my resting state guys this like welcome to my world he's always like listen if you don't want to be the back tell him it's me tell him it's my fault tell him like i'm the one who doesn't want everything yeah and she does and i'm like what am i supposed to do blame me i'll call yeah i like that i don't like this dress on me yeah like i hate it it's really um mad my husband doesn't like this dress on me. So I have to return it.

I'm so sorry.

You did do that, though.

You're like, my husband says I have to wait.

I did.

Yeah.

Because he probably was like, blame it on me.

And I was like, OK.

That's a good dynamic, though.

Do you remember being at that wedding dress shop and I was pregnant and I like passed out in the fitting room?

Oh, yeah.

I do remember that.

And I had to tell the guy who helped me in dresses. He's like, are you OK? I'm like.
She's like on the floor. She's like, can't move.
She's hypoglycemic. She hasn't had any sugar all day.
He was like, so what's wrong? And I was like, you can't tell anyone. I'm pregnant.
Yeah. He was like, okay.
Sure. He's like, I can't tell like your family that's out there.
They might be worried. No tell anybody she's like passed out this is why you're getting married so it's not love so what are we going to do about this fitting I hear ya he's like I actually was once married to a woman and I was like oh and I'm married to a man.
And I was like, okay. You're like, this is so fun.

So what are you going to name your bastard child?

Oh my God.

It was quite the experience.

And then the lady who walked in.

So sin.

Oh yeah.

The houseless lady who walked in.

There was a houseless lady who walked in and we were all like, oh.

What do you mean houseless?

Like homeless?

You can't say that.

You can't use that word.

Houseless.

Is that a new thing?

Unhoused.

There's a lot of people who are not going to be able to do that. like oh what do you mean houseless like homeless oh god you can't use that word houseless is that a new thing unhoused they're unhoused an unhoused woman wandered in and we were the only i just want to understand why is that different and more specifically better is this because it's new stigma stigma it's just so what happens when five years from now we've all been saying unhoused unhoused all these unhoused they don't have to change it and we'll have to change it because like we've just they'll have houses by then and they will have houses hopefully we'll have solved the problem yeah by all means i'd love yeah yeah let's get everyone in a house because i think home is like home is.
Are they going to go? So what about the charity? It's going to be unhoused.

What about the homeless, not toothless?

Toothless, toothless.

What are you going to do?

Houseless, not toothless.

Unhoused, no teeth?

Nobody knows the title.

No one knows the name of the charity.

Yeah.

Still to this day.

Almost not toothless.

And then the next day we went to a difference job and my mom was like

sobbing, crying

at one of the dresses

and she was like,

I think this is it.

And I was like,

maybe it is.

And then I accidentally

showed Nick a picture

in the car

and he's like,

I don't like it.

I saw wings

and I don't like it.

Wings?

I remember that.

It had like long sleeves

that went down

and I was like,

he was like,

you have to pose

every picture

with your arms up like this.

I don't like it. I remember that and we all thought it was the one.
And Nick was like, you have to pose every picture with your arms up like this. I don't like it.

I remember that.

And we all thought it was the one.

And Nick was like, I hate that one.

Is that the one your mom was crying over?

Yeah.

She was like sobbing.

She loved it.

Yeah.

She was like, this is it, Natalie.

And Nick's like, what the fuck is that?

I was like, look at this picture.

If it was 1980.

But when you got married.

I think it was pretty.

I said that it was a picture I took of Jeff earlier.

Oh, my God. He was like, I don't know what that was.
I don't know what I just saw, but I'll be honest with you. I don't like it.
I was like, well, that takes that off my plate. Oh my God.
And then I was said, blame me. Yeah.
Then we did. Send it back.
Blame me. Truly.
Well. All right.
Well, coming up next, Natalie fromalie from temptation island joins us and she serves up some tea and some burning questions that i think will serve us well in the future and then after natalie we'll come back and i do need to talk about my favorite online obsession the uh what's his name ashton austin ashton i don't know he's the asmr daily routine guy now there's all these like viral videos of all these daily routines i am curious about like what your morning routine is because it is nice oh mine well we talked about this before even though the entire internet is kind of like it's like everyone's laughing at this guy and he's just more like embracing it and you know like it is kind of fascinating because his whole like shtick is just like a lifestyle like this. And now people are picking it apart and questioning how real this lifestyle is.
But then when you think about it, he's just all he is, is he's an online creator. And it's just like clear.
It's like he's doing the thing he wants, which is getting people to like notice and talk about it and watch it over and over, whether they like it, make fun of it, not make fun of it. Nobody's content is original.
Everyone does. But I was thinking more about it.
watch it over and over whether they like it make fun of it not make fun of it nobody's content is original everyone does but i was thinking more about it like he's mad that people are like copying his morning routine but he's unbothered because people also copied jesus and jesus didn't let it bother him yeah jesus did it that's what he said also champagne poppy did it i feel like he did drake did this like years ago the morning routine routine? Yeah. Did he? ASMR style? Kind of.
Everybody does. Did he also wake up at 3 a.m.? And then my question is, I was thinking about it.
If you're waking up at 3 a.m., like are you really an early riser at that point? Or did you just decide to work third shift? Well, when we come back, we'll discuss it. Here's Natalie.
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Hello, hello. I'm excited.
We are excited as well. Thank you for taking the time.
How have you been? I've been really good. I've been really excited since the show aired, and now I can finally talk about my experience.
Yeah, and a wild experience you had, for sure. Absolutely.
Yeah.

Well, where do you want to start? Or I feel like there's a lot of burning questions. There's been a lot of TikTok lives going on with the cast.
You did not leave Temptation Island with Grant. No.
But it seems like the relationship didn't end, though, when Temptation Island ended's can you fill us in post show about like what went down and then you know maybe we'll go back to when you're on an island of like maybe like shower scenes and things like that we'll come maybe figure out what happened well you know i think the people we're just here natalie do they give the people what they need and want and fill in gaps for things that maybe we don't get to see. So that's all.
We are at your comfort level, of course. But can you let us know where we're at in terms of what happened between you and Grant post-show and all that drama that ensued? Yeah.
So I'll start right at the end of the show. I was fully aware that he probably wasn't going to ask me to leave in the bonfire with him.
We had had some conversations that they cut out where we talked about him being a little bit too messy and he needed to like figure out his own relationship with himself and Ashley and everything off of the island. And he had stuff moved in, in her place.
And I was like, I think it's better if we're going to pursue this after, you know, that we pursue it after and that you kind of leave alone to work on yourself. I was more thinking there was like a 10% chance, even though we had those conversations, he would still ask to leave with me.
But so I was ready. And we did have like a full conversation after that final bonfire that they completely cut out as well which I was sad about because I felt like I looked really good that day but and then after that we left the island well we finished filming and then me Kay Tyler and Grant we all stayed on the island for like four more days immediately after filming.
So even though we didn't leave the island together, we immediately went to the hotel together and spent four days. And had a double date.
Yeah. And it was actually so much fun.
We had the best time because we were all like, we have our phones back now. We're back in real life.
This is super weird. And so it was nice to kind of like all be together and do that.
How much of Ashley's decision to leave with Danny do you think played a role in Grant's decision to stay with you along with Tyler and Kay? Oh good question. I think that like watching it back it was definitely interesting to see like the way he was crying at the bonfire and probably knowing and feeling the energy from Ashley that she wasn't going to choose to leave with him.
And that even though he went first, she was probably going to leave with Danny. So I'm sure it played a big role.
You know, I think that Grant really wanted both Ashley and I. And obviously, clearly he was playing both sides like the entire time and even like off the island.
That sounds like Grant. Yeah, definitely.
When I said like know like hindsight's 2020 i look back and i'm like damn messier than i kind of originally thought but i knew going into it that it was kind of problematic but i think that it definitely played a big part because he knew that she was with danny and so he also probably wanted you know something for himself, we did get really close on the island. So regardless of like how things would have been off the island, I guess, in real life, we spent four weeks literally just getting to know each other.
So we did build like a strong connection. You could say it's very like TV terms.
So y'all spent four nights together in the hotel and then you left the island you went back to your west coast he went back to the south florida or something what kind of happened in that period okay so when i first came home i went came home to arizona for like a day which is where i live but then all my family lives in oregon so after like two days of being home, I went home to Oregon to go stay with my family and see them. And so Grant and I had been in contact since we got our phones back or like separated.
And then he called me when I was home in Oregon and was like, so I have this trip in Maryland. It's a work trip.
Everything will be paid for, you know, just come out and I want to see you outside the island. And at first I was kind of like, I don't know, you know, like it's very soon.
He had moved out of Ashley's that week, which they didn't live together full time, at least from my perspective. Who knows? That's what you were told.
That's what you were told. This is what I was told.
So he and he told me that he went to go like move out of her apartment and they hardly talked to each other. And it was really just like tense.
And then he got all this stuff out. And I was like, OK, you know, now that that's done with, I guess maybe I will consider seeing you in Maryland, which I don't think that's how it actually happened when he went to go move out of our apartment.
But again, I wasn't there, so I don't totally know. But I was with my family and I was like, should I just do it? You know, I'm a full sender, like especially with a free trip, like twist my arm, that's totally up my alley.
And so I was like, okay, I'll just do it. So I went to Maryland and we honestly had like the best trip, we had the best time.
He was kind of filming for some of it. It was beautiful weather, sat by the pool, drank margaritas.
What was he filming? He was filming at this like Wealth Summit place because he's a videographer, photographer. Okay.
All right. So that's why he was there filming that.
And then Temptation Island 2 already? In Maryland? Okay. Yes.
No. This is like a completely different job that he did.
And then we had the best time, which I was kind of not like surprised, but I wasn't expecting us to like really hit it off outside the Island. Um, but we did on this trip in particular, but I kind of think that like, when you get really close with someone and then they know all the things that you're looking for in a partner and they want to like pursue you and make it work.
I think that that was more so what was happening than us like just actually hitting it off in real life. You don't think he was being genuine? I think he was trying to be genuine to the best of his ability.
And I think that like he did want to be those things for me. But I think that he was so wrapped up with Ashley and so wrapped up in his own like issues and stuff that he was having that it was just impossible for him to be those things long term.
When you say trying to be genuine, that sounds like a really nice way of saying, I don't think Grant can be genuine or is that an unfair statement? I think that maybe there's some truth in that. I just like, I think that he does have like a lot of his own stuff that he needed to work through.
And jumping from Ashley to me with literally negative time in between, there was no way he was going to be able to work on those things. Even though I think he knows what he needs to work on.
How long has it been since all of that? This was last June. Do you think he's done the work yet? That's a great question.
I don't know. I haven't spoken to him in like eight months.
So then after this Maryland trip, was that pretty much it? Or did you guys try to, did you try to make it like try to date or try to make it work or try whatever, try anything? So Nick, the Maryland trip was the start. That was like the start of our off-island thing.

So we said our goodbyes in the airport and then he ended up chasing me down to my gate.

It was this whole dramatic Grant style thing where I was the last one to board and I was sitting there waiting for him to come.

And then he was like, I want to jump into this with you.

You know, like we had the best trip.

Let's be exclusive.

And again, like I said, I'm a full sender. And I was like, okay, we just have the best trip, you know, let's do it.
I'm down. And that lasted like a month.
It was very short-lived. And why? Everything you're saying is basically you liked the idea of how Grant presented himself and there was a lot you liked and clearly you guys had good chemistry, but everything you're saying implies that at the end of the day, he wasn't who he said he was or you sounded very excited to date a version of Grant that he wanted you to believe that he was.
That's what I'm hearing from you. Is that accurate? Yeah, I'd say that's accurate.
I think that, yeah, you nailed it. What specifically happened that made you, were you the one who said, fuck this, Amal, this isn't the way I expected it? Or how did things end so quickly? No.
So some people might be surprised to hear. I in fact wasn't, but he ended up cheating on me with Ashley about a month A month in.
And he called me right after and told me about it. Okay.

Yeah. So props to him for that, but I'll give him that.

But did he say I cheated on you with Ashley or he's like, Hey,

I'm hooked up with my ex or sorry.

Like what, what, what did that conversation like?

Cause I'm honestly a bit shocked that he, you know,

some props accountability, people say he can't take accountability, but he did with me. He did.
So immediately, he's the type of person too, which I was not so much. So like, this was one thing that we kind of like, didn't align with in real life is he wants to like constantly talk to me.
And so he went like a couple hours without texting me. And I was like, something's weird.
Like Grant's always texting me. And I called my best friend and I was like, I swear he's gotta be with Ashley.
And she was like, no, like you're crazy. You're crazy.
I was like, no, I'm telling you like woman's intuition, call whatever you want. But like, I swear he's with Ashley right now.
And she was like, okay. And then an hour later, Grant called me and I was like, were you with Ashley? And he was like, yeah.
And I was like, okay, well, did you kiss her? And he was like okay and then an hour later grant called me and i was like were you with ashley and he was like yeah and i was like okay well did you kiss her and he was like yeah and then i was like okay well i guess that's all i need to know like i'm never going to talk to you again i'll see you at the premiere and our conversation was like five minutes long and then i hung up is it just a kiss or that you don't that you don't know yeah it was just a kiss at least from when I've talked about it with Ashley. Yes.
But that was like just enough for me in the call where I was like, okay, you disrespected me, crossed the line. And him and I had had that conversation before because obviously like this isn't like shocking news that Grant would cheat on me.
It's kind of his character. So I had drawn that line like very clear before that if he was to disrespect me in any way with Ashley or with any girl for that matter, I would give him like a minute or two to explain himself and I would never speak to him again.
So that's exactly what I did. Was watching anything back surprising to you? well so i had like heard about the bonfire clips but again like everything that we heard from what

happened back surprising to you? Well, so I had like heard about the bonfire clips, but again, like everything that we heard from what happened in the bonfire clips was from the boys themselves. We didn't actually have like contact with the women in the other house until after or anyone for that matter.
And so like seeing the bonfire clips for myself and seeing how much less bad they were than the boys bonfire clips. But when the boys came home, they needed like maximum support and comforting and consoling from us.
And it's like the nerve she like the first bonfire when she came home, he was like absolutely so upset by whatever she said. And she crossed every boundary in line of the things that they had talked about before.
And it was wow was this before or after the shower this is before this is the first bonfire clip when he came home it was like wow they must be done because like he seemed so upset by whatever she said she do i don't even i think it was just she was like talking shit about him to one of the guys like it wasn't she was talking a lot of shit early on she was definitely like but their boundary wasn't hey don't talk shit about me their boundary was don't touch anyone yeah so do you feel like the first bonfire and grant's frustration with ashley led to him you and him kind of like making the next step because like prior to the first bonfire great and i weren't even really like connecting too heavily in the beginning because it was more so me and lino and then that kind of took a turn i think it was right before the first bonfire great and i had a deep conversation and then kind of just like started blossoming from there but when he came home from the first bonfire he was like so distraught about what happened that i was like there's no way like that a they're getting back together he was walking around the house like a single man like man. Like he wouldn't be able to forgive Ashley for what he saw.
And then again, watching it back. I don't even remember what happened either.
I'm like, what? So what did happen in the shower? So we, we knew that the camera was put up there that day. There wasn't even a camera in there for like until the second week.
so we were fully aware that like the shower scene was probably gonna be something that was i mean it was a bigger deal i thought when they aired it but yeah we were fully aware that so like you guys looked up like um not in that shower scene no well we're what was your what was your tagline in the beginning you're guilty my like it from the front, you're going to love it from the other side. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay. Did you come up with that on your own, or? So I actually said that in my final interview, and they reminded me that I said that.
And they were like, oh, you should. Like, I was like, oh, yeah.
It's a good line. So I did.
That's a Natalie original. Hope Natalie original hope you guys liked it okay okay so post show everything I saw a clip of you and Ashley on a live where Grant was like on the phone yelling at her yeah what was that about um that really caught me by surprise he was fully aware that we were on live too and still chose to call her and do that.
He joined my live and then was in the comments. And mind you, this is the most interaction that I've had with him in eight months was me reading his comments out loud.
But I was like, I'm just telling Ashley, because when you're on live with someone, they can't see the comments that are in yours. so I was reading them and then he kept telling us add me add me and I was like I'm not adding

you to my life and I didn't even know how, honestly, at that point. It was like my second time ever going live.
And then she was like, I'm not adding you. And then he ended the live and ended up just calling her and was like, let's go, let's go.
Let's talk about it. Be real, be raw.
And I was just like, so like so uncomfortable the entire time like i was not expecting him to do that i felt like it was completely uncalled for and knowing that there's an audience too is just like crazy yeah if we had the opportunity to talk to grant and ashley um at the same time what would you want us to ask them or what would you like, uh,

any clarification on not necessarily you, you know, cause it sounds like you got all the answers you need, but in terms of making sure that America fully understands the truth, what would you want us to ask Grant and or Ashley? Um, I feel like I, I wouldn't have any questions for Ashley. I feel like more so with with Grant like how much of him maybe knew that he was going to get back to with together with Ashley maybe in the future you know like he made it seem very much so like they were never going to really speak again and that he was like like way done with their relationship and he was dealing with like the end of their relationship.
I thought it was like so toxic, but it's like how much of you probably knew the entire time that he was going to go back together with her. Okay.
Yeah. Good question.
Something like that. Okay.
All right. Well, you can put your own twist on it.
There you go. There was a moment when Grant tried to make you jealous, right? Early on the season, it was like right after the shower scene.
And I was really proud of you because it was like you you were like i'm not that girl fuck that blah blah blah and i was like oh okay like look she knows what's up and then but like you know like 30 minutes later you're like ah grant um what like do you is that a moment you like i know you're full sad no and you know hashtag no regrets and everything but like is that a moment where you look back and think you know especially when grant was talking about his relationship with ashley talking about how toxic it was didn't that make sense to think oh well maybe he's at least a big part of why this relationship is toxic because here you two are hitting off and the first thing he wants to do is make you jealous by having another girl, take a shot off of him. And I guess your instincts were great, right? Your reaction seemed on point, but why do you feel like in that moment you didn't trust your instincts? I think that I did trust my instincts right away.
And I was fully aware of the fact that he is toxic and is used to toxic behavior like this. But again, in real life, I think that situation would have played out differently.
But because I was on a show, the attempt dress, and we were only halfway through, is that I was kind of faced, I guess, with two options where it's like, okay, you know, I told him how I feel. I drew the line, but it's not like in real life where it's like, I'm going to on out of here it's like we're living in the same house you know we're still gonna be going on dates and building a connection and i felt like he reacted well to how i responded with how i felt about the situation and that i didn't like that and i wasn't going to do that again and i felt like because he reacted well well, it was fine, I guess.
Okay. That makes sense.
I mean, I think the fact that you were on a TV show and you were still there to make TV kind of makes sense. Did the guitar singing that he made a mistake and he heard his girl Ashley, like right after y'all hook up, was that not? I mean.
When you found out he even brought a guitar to Temptation Island, was that not a red flag? I was not really a fan of the guitar. I can't lie.
I honestly don't think any woman is. I don't care if you're John Mayer.
I don't want to sit and listen you like acapella sing in front of me with no other band members. And like that scares me.
Props to you. You sat, I mean, and he kept, he did not stop when you walked up.
He kept on going. No, it was a performance, performance of the century, for real.
Yeah. I, yeah, there was nothing to do, to be fair.
There was no TV, no phones or anything. but I personally would have rather done anything else.

Or just- Yeah, there was nothing to do, to be fair. There was no TV, no phones or anything.
But I personally would have rather done anything else or just had a conversation. But there was a lot more of the guitar that didn't air.
We wrote a song as a cast. They didn't air that.
And then where are you now in your love life? Are you out there still maybe going back on Temptation Island next season? Are you in love? Where are you at? I think I'm somewhere in between. I'm not in love and I'm not seriously dating anyone.
I am dating around here and there, but I'm probably not going back on Temptation Island. I mean, if they call me back, they need a temptress.
I guess I couldn't say no, but you never know. Oh, be careful what you said.
They might call you. I feel like a different a different show maybe i feel like this is unfair to say but like i i can't help but will not be surprised that a girl from arizona and a man from florida was a little messy and a little toxic does that make sense to you or is that are you offended by that statement no i'd say that feels right all right well i'm gonna run the same page uh natalie thank you so much for taking the time uh it was fun watching you thanks for the great television and appreciate your honesty yeah thanks so much for having me on it was great to virtually meet you guys likewise a pleasure have a great rest of your day thank you bye bye i used to wish my name was pronounced with a d natalie natalie natalie natalie nat Natalie.
Natalie. Natalie.
I don't know why. Why? I also used to tell everyone my real name was Bridget and I went by Natalie.
That's insane. You never wanted your name to be something different when you were a kid? No.
Oh. I liked my name.
You had a good childhood. Good for you.
And I'm Bridget. But I would just.
You know what's crazy? I'm wondering. That's not even your middle name no it's not I don't know literally I think I heard it

in a movie

or like a cool girl

had her name Bridget

and I was like

I wish my name was Bridget

I wanted my name to be Elijah

Elijah

yeah

wow

you never were like

what if my name was Nicole

or like playing pretend

and like

choosing a different name

yeah what was your go to

what was your go to

when you'd play pretend

like I'm 17

and my name's Vanessa

yeah

no

but I'm 12

you didn't know

oh my gosh is Vanessa. Yeah.
No. But I'm 12.
Oh my gosh. I think I always liked my name because it was like nobody had my name.
She was. She was one of those.
I hated mine. I'm perfect the way God made me.
Literally. Before we get into your session.
Well, that's not true. This is just reminding me that I was talking to my dad yesterday on the phone, and

he was like, randomly,

he goes, and how

do I find this

podcast? And I was like, what

podcast? And he was like, the one that Nick

has. And I was like, oh, you can find it on, like, YouTube.

And he was like, and you're on it sometimes? And I was like,

yeah, I am. And he was like, alright,

should I just, like, listen to the most recent one?

And I was thinking about it. I'm like, I think the most recent.
Listen to a lot of them. any of them actually yeah listen to the ones i'm not on that would be fun oh i well back to my favorite online obsession yeah asmr asmr daily routine despite i'm not believing he needs to like work out with his Beamer or I don't even know if it's a Beamer or Mercedes or whatever.
Or, and I don't think I'll ever be wiping banana peels on my face post-banana. You don't know what that's all about.
I don't even like bananas. Although, every morning I give River a banana, so I could use hers.
But what's it for? I don't know. Good question, Justinin can we find out what a banana peels wipe on your face would do is it like enzyme does he does tape his mouth shut at night and put like a nose strip and i want to get back to doing that i did that once and gave my wife the ick and then because he did it with like duct tape and i was like this is kind of like i'm holding you that's duct tape and i was like hey do you want to talk? I use masking tape.
I don't think we should do that. It's better for your health and heart.
I know, but I think the mouth tape is still breathable in and out. The duct tape you can duct tape.
I use scotch tape. I use scotch tape.
It was a little strip up and down. I didn't know how to do it.
But he was definitely like, we can't talk at night because I have my mouth tape on. You know, and I was like, I have so much to say right now.
Suddenly, I want to talk to you. Suddenly, I have a lot to say.
I want to try the mouth tape. It's supposed to be really good.
Like mouth breathers. And sadly, I'm one of them.
Are you? Yeah. Interesting.
Well, I've been worse. I've gotten better.
Have you seen the chin transformations of that? It's like's like, oh yeah. I got one of those jaw things too.
Also gave my wife the ick. What's the jaw thing? It's like exercise the jaw.
It's like this gummy thing. Why? Why are you doing that? Why? You could just say that you chew it.
He's showing me. So you put it in your mouth and you physically have to chew it? Yeah.
You kind of, it's like, it's like a. Oh, is it in the front of your front of your mouth? It's like exercise.
Is it like bone gum? What does it do? Just give you a sculpting? It strengthens your jaw. For what? It gives you a better jawline.
Okay, that's what we're getting to. Also, it's supposed to help with your breathing.
It's supposed to help with your just like, your whole... Okay, I get that.
So no plastic surgery. We just need to chew on.
You just, yeah, he's got... Well, if the option's surgery or like chewing something for a couple of weeks, wouldn't you go non-surge? No, that's what I mean.
So that's why you're doing it. I haven't done it yet.
Oh. But watching his video, I was like, I need to get back.
I was influenced. I'm just saying, despite all the things he showed me that I was like, this is stupid and ridiculous and I don't need a go yard bag while I go work out.
No, I mean, I totally want that bag. But like not, I don't, I wouldn't take that go yard back to the track or the gym.
I take my go yard everywhere. I also wouldn't hand it to my friend and then have them take it to the car for me.
I'm going to hire Natalie to do that one day. It's just going to be her hand.
Perfect. People are going to be like, that's definitely Natalie.
She hasn't had a manicure in 42 years. But I don't want to mouth breathe anymore.
Okay. Do you have any morning routines that might be unique to you that you think could better the world? I mean, she wakes up.
She lets the dogs out. Yeah, let's go through that morning routine.
Yeah, because we've talked about this. Yeah, I was really inspired by it.
Were you? I think it's, well. You were like, wait, so.
So what, your day starts at one? You were so good. And then I finally get to work.
And that's 1.30 p.m. And I'm finally ready.
My morning routine takes quite a while. About five hours.
Can we walk through it? It's really quiet. It's aspirational.
Okay. So I wake up at six with the dogs.
I go downstairs.

I feed them first.

Yeah.

And then I take them out.

And then I go back to bed.

And six a.m. is early.

Six a.m. is a little too early.

A little too early.

So I go back to bed for a little bit.

Then I wake up.

What time are we at?

I think we're at like maybe eight.

I'll push it to eight.

So then I wake up at eight and I meditate. Just like Ashton does.
Yeah. For how long? For about 30 minutes.
Okay. Is that, are you lying down again? What do you mean? Oh yeah, I'm lying down for sure.
Back in bed? Yeah, back in bed. I am back in bed at this point.
Never out So before 9am you've had two naps

Stop

I want to schedule

This is serious stuff

Where did I go wrong?

Life's going great for you

And you look great

And apparently when you go to the bars

You make my wife look ugly

So it's honestly working

It's true

I'm not done yet

Oh I'm sorry

And then I

You wake up from your second nap

I meditate for 30 minutes

Thank you. working so it's true it's true i'm not done yet oh i'm sorry and then i wake up from your second nap i meditate for 30 minutes and then i pray no i don't laugh that's fair no seriously and then i pray and then i and then i get ready i take a shower and oh yeah and then i journal and then have you been watching his videos I swear because he also wakes up early meditates praise journals well I mean I think common morning it's a common morning routine and then I do my face routine I shower I do I shower twice a day so I shower once in the morning and then at night but the morning one and then I do my face routine and then I go to Pilates at 11.

And then it is 1 o'clock.

You go to Pilates after you shower?

I know.

You shower and then go.

Work out.

I take two showers a day.

She's very clean.

Yeah, this like weird thing.

I have to shower twice a day.

You won't find Victoria smelling.

No, you will not.

I'll smell like Le Labo, Noir 29.

Yes, you will.

That is your scent.

At all times. Anytime I smell that scent, I'm like, Victoria i'm like victoria phillow's here yeah she's somewhere so that's my morning routine and then um i come home around 12 30 and then that's when i start my work day you get on and she gets on emails and i do get on emails and i have to answer a lot of them of course that's my favorite thing i sound like i don't do anything but i really do

you are busy i'm very fucking you don't answer your phone i do not your life let's just keep

it real i'm on do not disturb a lot because i have a lot going on but i prioritize my mental

health you do you have you're in you have a lot of therapy sessions i do yes i do so is your

therapist guilt you into therapy sometimes no actually she like does this thing where she'll be, so when do you want to come back in like a month? And I'm like, tomorrow. Are you saying I'm all healed up or what's going on here? Perfect.
She literally will be like, how do we feel like two weeks out, three weeks? And I'm like, no, we're on a tight schedule. Yeah.
I will see you tomorrow. We're on a tight schedule here, Hannah.
I will be back Wednesday. Our couple of therapists is is the opposite he'll text and he'll be like so haven't seen you guys in a couple weeks is everything okay yeah there's no way it is he's like because I know it's not I really think Thursday is really good for all of us I'm like I guess we have to go to therapy you're like I'm not sure is anything wrong and then we'll show up and I'm like things have been yeah we're like you know busy but good you know and he's like And he's like, I guess we have to go to therapy this week.
You're like, I'm not sure. Is anything wrong? And then we'll show up.
And I'm like, things have been, yeah, we're like, you know, busy, but good, you know? And he's like, you know, but. He's like, well, last time you were here, it says, I wrote down a couple notes.
It said, Natalie wasn't feeling seen and Nick wasn't getting enough sex. So do you want to open that up again? I thought we got past that.
Yeah, I thought we were healed. But sure, you know, now that you bring it up, I am pissed again.

Isn't that funny?

Yeah, he does like it.

He's like, I'm seeing something here between the two of you.

Yeah, what's going on here?

What's his dynamic?

And then he'll be like, maybe some physical touch would be nice.

You're like, I didn't even think about it.

And you're like, wait for a second.

And I'm like, now that you're telling me to do it, I don't want to do it.

So this feels forced.

Nick will reach out and put his hand on my hand.

And we're like, do you like that? Is this good enough? Do you like this? And then you out like put his hand on my hand and we're like yeah do you like this good enough do you like this and then you're like almost finding problems at that point because you're like well actually silence in there so yeah you start thinking of like well i guess like he did forget the bananas at the grocery store and like i was really annoyed by that which we've learned that like we are going into couples therapy, feeling pretty good about us, now we just- Yeah, what do you talk about when you feel good? Well, no, because we know our couples therapy is just going to start something that we aren't aware of. Prepared for.
So now, right before, we'll sit in our car 10 minutes later and just start throwing jabs at each other. Really? So that way, we're really pissed off walking walking in and instead of feeling like we were feeling better coming in than going out, now we definitely feel better going out than coming in.
But it's also like, maybe we just don't go for like until there's... Like whenever Nick said cheers to lifting things up.
Context. Wait, on a Valentine's Day, he said cheers to lifting things up He was referring to my titties We need context Now that you had this fun game No Of deciding No you did not Tell the story No he didn't That's such bullshit No he didn't Wait I want to hear the whole story Why would you remember the story Why would you say that To your wife Because now I decided to do a roast Cheers on valentine's day and she went first to the roast

of nick my house and she was like um oh i wish i was present for that for an entire day she made me think that i had a bald spot on my head no you didn't i'd love that i said cheers to wearing hats he was like what he's like what's that supposed to mean you're like you figure it out So then it was my turn and I said, cheers to the thing.

I can't do this.

I can't. Oh, my gosh.
That's brutal. That's crazy.
See, we love each other. Yeah, you do.
You definitely do. We like to, you know, shake it up.
I like when couples shit on each other. I do, too.
But a lot of our listeners think that I'm like really mean to'm really mean to Nick. Really? Nick did call us bullies yesterday.
Well, that's because he couldn't spell anything, and you were like, I don't know what you're trying to say. Please give me a call.
Yeah, we're in a group text, and Nick's trying to communicate something. And I was like, I actually – This is after I text a man named Victor instead of you.
He did. He sent that sizzle to – And I was, Nick, you sent that to Victor.
I got a lot going on. And then, yeah, he said everyone, you know, you all know some Ask Nick on Instagram, his typing.
Oh, you're typing. Yeah.
You are a good communicator in person via text. Not so much.
So I was like, I don't know what you're trying to tell me right now.

I was like, but maybe just call me later.

And then he did it again.

He tried to tell me what he was saying.

He was trying to say, just ignore me.

And he was like, I, you, ignore me.

I, wrist.

It sounds like a robot speaking.

And so we were just giggling at him.

Yeah, and he didn't like it.

He did not like it.

Called us bullies.

We're not bullies. We love youiggling at him.
Yeah, and he didn't like it. He did not like it.
Called us bullies. We're not bullies.

We love you.

We do.

Yeah.

We do.

Well, so that's that.

Anything you want to say before you go?

Wow.

Who do you think is the murderer on White Lotus?

Gosh.

And who do you think dies?

I think that the mom dies.

Parker?

Posey? Yeah. I hope not.
Or maybe the daughter. No.
I don't. Because it's not going to be somebody that we're like happy about dying.
That is true. I think it's going to be somebody that we're like, fuck.
I like Terrence. Because season one, it was like the maitre d' guy that we all loved.
And then it was Jennifer Coolidge. Jennifer Coolidge.
I think it's going to be somebody that we like. And we're going to be like, fuck, that sucks.
And I think the murderer is probably going to be like one of the sons, maybe. I feel like that's too on the nose.
Really? Yeah. What if it's like the girlfriend of Greg that's dead? That kills someone.
Because she's like trying to stay with him and trying to prove that. I mean, they are setting up Patrick Schwarzenegger's character for just having an absolute mental breakdown.
They are. I know.
His brother jerked him off. His idol, his dad, is about to like go to jail.
That's true. I was thinking maybe the younger brother was going to be the killer.
No. Because he went to a Buddhist temple right

after he jerked off his brother. I know, but he's having

a crisis.

Yeah, I think he's

freaking out a little bit where he's like,

fuck, this is not good. What did I do?

And I think he's going to have a mental breakdown.

And they're going to, yeah,

I think it's going to be the brother.

The younger brother. We'll see.

And when are you going to finally watch Severance? Oh my god. I'm going to watch it tonight.
And I'll be back tomorrow. And you'll never get rid of me.
And I will be back every day. Well, we will be back tomorrow for maybe the most special episode of all time.
It will certainly be fun, wild. It's a going deeper episode that so many of you have been anticipating, wanting, asking for.

And we are glad we were able to deliver.

That is tomorrow.

We will see you then.

Look for our, we'll be teasing it tonight.

Tomorrow's episode.

Justin's like, huh?

See, keep up.

We're a day ahead.

We're a day ahead.

The highly anticipated going deeper episode tomorrow. It's going to be great.
We'll see you then. Bye.
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