E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo

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Not available in all states. you're crazy what's going on everybody welcome back to another episode of the vile files reality recap edition i am your host nick with my, and we have a very special guest today.

Victoria Fuller is with us.

Look who came to visit.

I am here.

Oh my gosh.

We love connecting with you.

You're always on the go.

We're always on the go.

We're happy to find ourselves in the same place.

We have a little pop-up here. A pop-up studio.
Some would say a coffee shop on wheels. A food truck.
We're kind of all over the place. I like it.
It looks really good. You guys did an amazing job.
What have you been up to? Right in there. She's been up to Pilates.
She was in Jamaica. I was not in Jamaica.
Oh. I was in the Bahamas.
Yes, of course. Why were you in the Bahamas? Oh, for vacation.
Okay. Maybe.
To get some sun. Yeah.
Do I look like I got bronzed? You do. You have great color.
Thank you. I was like, oh, my wife's real pale.
No, I'm just kidding. I was waiting.
Shots fired. I was waiting.
No, it's fine.

She's like, and we will be going to Jamaica.

I feel like that giving shit is only allowed in one direction.

Yeah.

Yeah.

No, I appreciate you giving me shit.

You do.

Yeah, but not today.

Yeah, but not now.

No.

Yeah.

I'll let you know when I'm ready.

I will let you know and I'll tell you.

Yes.

Yes. You were with the pigs.

I was.

Exuma.

Yeah.

Do you feel like PETA should be called? No, they're thriving I think they're thriving But they're nice to people Well, I guess they're not They also made an appearance on Ben H Bahamas. Oh.
And they played. I was like, who? One of the group dates was playing with these famous.
The famous pigs. On coinks.
Yeah. So there's 200 wild pigs and they live on an island.
Well, multiple islands. But yeah, it was really cool.
And no, we should not be calling PETA. They're wild pigs.
I didn't know. But they leave water for them.
No, no. Like they're, they like live there.
Do you pay to go see them? Well, you pay a charter. Of course.
So you do have to pay a fee. To get on a boat.
To get on a boat. To go there.
And go to Exuma. Okay.
Yeah. And that's a separate island? From Nassau.
Yeah. Okay.
So we flew into Nassau, which is where like Bahamar, noamar no shout outs no freebies but that's like a really cool resort there and yeah we just hung out it was my friend's birthday and we gambled oh did you win anything what's your game i didn't well my game was more like spend other people's money yes of course yeah so i was just So I was just sitting there. Is it like blow on the dice and wish people luck?

Yes.

That's your game?

Yes.

And then they'd be like, oh, what color?

And I'm like, what are we choosing from?

My favorite color is pink.

Yeah.

They're like, that's not.

They're like, that's actually not.

Yeah.

It's like a black or red situation.

Yes.

Yes.

So I did figure that out pretty quickly.

Considering. Did anyone like split their winnings with you?

No, they did not. Unfortunately.
But I did get a couple free drinks Oh I felt like you could do that without the gambling Yeah probably So here we are Yes of course Well we have a great week lined up for you Obviously I don't We've you know our world's so we've had to mix things up. It's a very special week.
We are actually, though, going to have a reality recap tomorrow, which is usually our going deepers, but Thursday is actually going to be a going deeper, and I'm not going to say with whom it's going to be with. Yeah, I think we just wait.
Because every time we put it out there, some crazy shit happens, but it's going to be epic. And I feel like it's going to serve a need that a lot of people are asking for.
A lot of people are hoping it would happen. And we were told it wasn't going to happen.
So now and I stepped up and we made it happen. And we made it happen.
So that's what we will say. That's going to be Thursday.
And it's going to be epic. It's going to be fun.
And I can't wait. It's going to be messy.
It's going to be a lot. It's going to be a lot.
This is very vague, but I'm so excited. I can't wait to find out.
We told you. Yes, I know.
I'm just pretending. No, I know.
But what do you think? She was acting. I was acting.
How'd I do? No, I think it's really exciting. I think people are really going to love it.
It's going to be a lot of fun. Speaking of acting, I heard a rumor.
Acting. She's been cast in a film well that's just that's that's that's me throwing a little shade at myself oh yeah because you are an actor i have been paid yes to act a christmas cruise it's a christmas group starring vivic a fox wait what oh my god can.
Mary, can you show Victoria? Can you show Victoria? Well, I mean, like it was like Hallmark-esque, but it wasn't like- It was like the knockoff version. It was like the minor leagues of Hallmark.
That's okay. O-On? I-On? I-On? What channel? I don't know.
It's very cool. What channel? I-On.
I know what you're talking about. I-O-N.
Yeah. Yeah.
It was their Christmas channel. Mary, can you bring up the movie poster for Christmas Cruise starring Vivica Fox and and Nick Files I'm on the poster board no you're not yeah it was like right after The Bachelor so like they I played Bob the whole time thank you very much wow I had two scenes I'm married to an actor you You had two scenes when you were on the post.
You are married to an actor. I've never seen it.
Oh, you're scared. Yeah.
Let's watch it together. I didn't watch my work.
We should. Put it on the big screen right now.
Yeah. He only has two scenes.
I'm sure we could get through it pretty quick. So anyways, back to this rumor I heard.
Yeah. I heard a rumor that before The Bachelorette was put on pause, that you were on an extraordinarily short list of people who were being considered as the next Bachelorette for the ABC franchise.
Excuse you what? Excuse you what? Do you feel like that's how you delivered it? No, I was like, that's what it was it was more aggressive give us can i get the the iconic excuse you what

that was it real pure just yeah what did he say first he said excuse me and i said excuse you

what i got chills period that was so anyways is that is there any truth to this rumor i heard

and if i can be clear i heard it from a few people but you know sometimes rumors aren't true

Thank you. period that was so good is that is there any truth to this rumor i i heard i've and if i can be clear i heard it from a few people but you know sometimes rumors aren't true yeah um i cannot confirm or deny no i can confirm yes i'll confirm and thank god i'm uh when i heard that rumor and i heard this rumor after it was put on pause i also heard that they're you know that short list were some of your usual suspects of people you might suspect.
I was furious. I was furious because I thought that would be an epic decision.
They made me have some good options. There were some other people that people have been calling for.
But Peter's season was one of the more iconic seasons. We haven't had, I don't remember the last time we called a bachelor or a bachelorette season iconic.
Yeah. You're an iconic character.
Oh, I'm not a character. I'm a person.
Well, add your character. Have you ever watched it back and been like, I don't know who that bitch is? Yeah, all the time.
Like when I see clips and stuff, I'm like, oh, who is she? Yeah. That's so interesting.
Yeah. But yeah.
But I don't know if you're on the top of your list or you never know because they will talk to another people or where you fell in. So there were at least some conversations.
There was rumblings around. There was rumblings.
Yeah. I'm so upset.
I know. I think you would have been fantastic.
Thank you, Nick. You would have been, they need to bring back some people from that era.
Yeah, I agree. Because we had like a cult following, if you will.
Like people definitely knew like specific lines that we said or specific like dates that we went on. And I think that that would have, we'll see what happens in the future.
I think it would have pulled older fans back into it. I just want you to know that ever since I've heard this rumor, I have been trying to do my part.
He won't let it go. For anyone that I think could be involved in this decision, I've been saying, y'all fucked up, and you should have just picked Victoria.
Don't overthink this. Thank you.
She would be excellent. It would be dramatic, and it would be an entire season of promos being like, excuse me, what? No, literally.
And I think the thing with that is like, I think when I first was considering this, it was very much like I didn't think it was for me. I was like, I don't think I can go back to that.
So it took me like a minute to adjust to the idea of like possibly even doing it. And then after like a week, I was like, okay, maybe I'll consider and I'll have more conversation around it.
And then that's when they put everything on pause is what I like finally can do it. Yeah, I'm going to do it.
We have to cancel the whole season's canceled. Everything's done.
So we don't have Victoria. We have nothing.
Yes. And so, and just to be clear, because obviously obviously people run with rumors and you weren't actually you were never actually asked or anything like that you were no there were just rumblings conversations conversations are you interested if we go this direction type of stuff but like i'm sure other people were being talked to as well oh absolutely we don't want to put you in a position where you're claiming that it was like a done because like you know we've heard all these different things like oh so and so was asked and blah blah blah or you know yada yada no and i think that they from my experience they ask multiple people and then you kind of go through another interview process um and so again like you said it was probably narrowed down to a shorter list and maybe or maybe not i was on that list i think you're on a very very short list of three that's what i have to wait really one three i think three yeah yeah i could see that and i mean people obviously will probably deduct to whoever else they think it was yeah it's pretty easy to guess yeah it is um but yeah no no, it was very endearing that they still thought five years later to call me and say, hey, how do you feel about this? And I'm like, well, first I get, I'm like, what the fuck do they want? I'm like, oh, no.
I'm like, hello. I'm like kind of scared to answer the phone.
I'm like, what do you want? First, I like, I didn't answer. I just texted him like, hey, what's up? I'm busy right now,

but can you want to do this over time?

do you want to just like text about it or what's going on?

But no,

they all are great over there.

And by all,

you mean like,

who do you know who's left working there?

Cause like everyone's been either fired or quit or let go.

It's crazy.

It's like when I was first on the show,

one of the like producers is now an executive producer there. Yeah, it's...
It is weird. There's a lot going on there.
Can you imagine when they got to Hometowns and then they're like, Hometowns, it will be Victoria's first. Stop.
Congratulations. You didn't show up.
Yeah. No, your family showed up.
No no my family was definitely there they showed up i excused peter from hometown it's like actually this isn't gonna happen so you just walked back inside being like hey guys did you actually talk to your family that night like after because like when we watched it it looked like you were just like i'm not fucking doing this and like this is stupid and you like walked off and it made it seem like your family was like, where's our kid? Where's our daughter? Is she okay out there? And they're just like talking and waiting. No, I mean, they actually all came outside because they finally allowed them to come outside and see what was happening.
And I was just like sobbing because, I mean, we all know what happened and anybody would feel really weird in that situation. Remind us.
Do I have to? It was a long time ago. Yes, of course.
Let me go back into my memory bank. I love relieving trauma.
Can we tap into your trauma? Yeah, thank you. We love a good timeline.
We love a good timeline. Oh, my God.
We have that saved on our soundboard um but no they ended up coming outside

and you know consoling me because that was a really weird thing that happened why didn't why didn't you go and peter was questioning your integrity yes he was he was questioning my integrity and anyways you weren't having he was not going to meet my family that night that's for sure so So, or ever.

Well, since we're on the topic, we now know that Grant is engaged to Juliana. So congratulations to the happy couple.
Thoughts and prayers for Latia? Also thoughts and prayers for Juliana and Grant as they do watch back everything that Grant said to Latia. because I thought she was very, like, her way of being like,

you're going to have to have some tough conversations with the things that you said to me. Yeah.
It'll be interesting. We are recording this before AFR.
We've seen the finale, but we haven't seen the live AFR. So we don't know what Latia said last night.
For those of you who watched, we're not familiar with what happened, you know, whatever confrontation. We'll obviously talk about that tomorrow i i will say i thought grant did an excellent job you know as someone who knows the position he was in and like grant is someone who is very green you can tell like he didn't even make it like yourself didn't make it to hometowns uh for different reasons yes i'm sorry i don't want to like to hometown.
You opted out. Yes, I opted out.
Grant wasn't even given the choice to not go. Poor guy.
To his hometowns. So he was obviously under the direction, clearly, of the show and the producers.
And to me, it's obvious that he is following a lot of other people's leads and trusting a lot of people. Right.
Listen, like The Bachelor, The Bachelorettes, they yada yada yada but like he i know it's the saying i love you and then the breaking up it's the if my only note to grant is like maybe don't kiss her twice uh or constantly say but i love you like in general people just like psa for the world if you're gonna break up with someone, do not say things like,

but I still love you and I still care about you.

And like, but not just-

Cut and dry.

Be the bad guy.

Be the bad guy.

Let them be mad.

Other than that though,

I thought Grant was like,

when he was like, you know what?

You're right.

I'm gonna own,

like he just,

he knew he was gonna take it on the chin.

I thought he did the best he could. He's clearly a guy who's very respectful and like did his best and also i think he was forced to wait as long as he did and i think he was told to say things that let on latia and he's in a bad spot totally get where latia is coming from i don't know what she said last night and you know she basically made it seem like she was going to come in with a lot of like- Receipts.
Receipts where like, well, you have a lot of like explaining to do. My guess is, is that like, it's really not that big of a deal.
Yeah. At being in, I literally, as someone who's been in her position twice, knows exactly what she's going through.
I'm sure she spent every day from the time Grant broke up with her to last night, thinking about all the Grant said to her that felt fucked up. Yeah.
That felt like she was let on, misled. And I have no doubt that she's justified to feel that way.
But, like, I don't think he did anything, like, really egregious. Like, we already know nothing happened in the fantasy suite because Latias is like, no, I'm good.
Like, well, we assume. but i don't think latias i'm guessing latia is not going to come out and be like yeah yeah yeah i don't think she's gonna be stupid as me yes you're an idiot yeah um so there's that throwback tbg how do you feel about that natalie um so i don't don't think you need to do that um so also must suck to be in her position because like if you have a broken heart you at least want the world to see and I just don't know if a lot of people watch you know this season so I don't think it's a highly performing season well I don't think the past couple have been very great well and also well have been.
Well, and also. Olsen's Peters, you know.
Well, of course. But they had a nice bump with Joey.
And then. Yeah.
I would say Joey's did well. But I just.
Yeah. I don't know if I.
Even watching it like as a viewer. And I know the position she's like sort of in.
It. I don't know.
All of. I think that breakup was just really strange to me.
From both parties. I think you could just really tell that she was blindsided as fuck.
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
But also, I don't know. I just.
Like she was. I mean, they were pumping her full of confidence the night before.
Yeah, of course. They're like, it's you.
It's you, babe. It's totally you.
You have nothing to worry about. It's you.
You can not do that. And then they they make her, oh yeah.
Oh yeah. And then they make you like, she's doing B-roll.
She's like walking through the rain and she can barely move her little feet. I was like, oh, she's like walking to her death.
No, when they, I guarantee you, when she woke up that day, the first producer to greet her said, you're getting engaged today. Oh, for sure.
Guaranteed. Yeah, definitely.
Guaranteed. Yeah.
They deserve prison. Oh no, they do.
No parole. They're making a TV show.
Well, and that's show well and that's not making a tv show they don't need to say that to make a tv show i know but it makes for good tv when you have like a lead who's going to follow whatever you say and so they probably did they probably encouraged him to tell her like i love you and i love you like and i think that's where you kind of have to when you're in like your position where you have to be like no i'm not gonna say that it's also another thing they do say which is true right like if the lead's having a lot of reluctance especially if it's the bachelor and it's a when it's the bachelor they basically will ask the lead to fall on the sword right because if the lead the lead's feeling bad, they're like, I'm feeling bad. They're like, listen, I know this feels shitty.
They kind of said the same thing to Caitlin when I was in Latia's shoes. But it's like, the best moment anyone has is when they get broken up with.
Right. And when America feels sorry for them.
Right. So they will convince the lead to follow through by saying, listen, and they're not wrong.
I mean, there's a lot of truth to the statement by saying, you know, it's going to feel shitty. And yeah, it's going to, I know you're doing a shitty thing, but you're going to, you're going to give her this moment.
Right. You know, and.
You're going to give us this moment to give it to her. There is a lot of truth to that because like, this is, you know, again, we don't know what America's saying.
We don't know how many people watched last night. We don't what she said at afr but you know the only thing we are anticipating in the afr is what was latia gonna say right you know and she now was given this moment to be a star when she got in the limo she was like you know gave that your she gave us a little typical audition you know it's not you know i'm still looking for it maybe i'll find it someday i know

i heard that i was like oh there we go do you think they give them that to say if if they don't sit on their own yeah they do and like little bts but they'll like drive around with you until you like get it right yeah yeah like you'll be driving around and they're like better cry more or like And if you do need more tears, they do have Visine in the car.

No.

That's true. Oh, yeah.
Ruthless. That sounds like the Severance, what they do in Severance, and they make you write the thing over and over again.
Yeah, until you're really sorry. Are you watching Severance? Yeah, I am.
Did you finish? No, I'm not finished yet. I know I'm like not caught up on anything.
What have you been doing?

Living my life.

I don't just watch TV all day.

Thank you very much.

Can you earmuffs for a second?

Oh my gosh.

I can't earmuffs because I have to.

Should I take them off?

Yeah.

Okay.

I just want to like just.

For the people who did watch.

I found the ending of Severance very.

You have to talk quieter.

Okay.

Sorry.

He's screaming.

Did you find the ending satisfying? or or it left me excited for the next season i would agree at first i was a bit i was a bit frustrated that um are you can you hear me i have to hover okay i was a bit frustrated about at first because because like any was like oh i'm not gonna go anywhere um but at least she got out yeah that's why i was very satisfying it makes me excited for the night had she not gone because we need a season three anyone complaining about the end then like did you want this to be a season and what do you really think about like yeah you like i don't know she's a lot Oh, yeah, we're done. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're done.
Fuck. Is that about light lotus? No.

Severance.

Okay. Do you just want to watch them tonight and come back tomorrow? Yeah.
I would love to do that, actually. Okay.
All right. Victoria's going to be our guest tomorrow for Reality Recap.
Hey, time back, baby. I'm never leaving.
Great. All right.
Well, wait. Wait, wait, wait.
I guess we can talk about this tomorrow, but since we are on the topic of of severance and white lotus did you see that Jennifer Coolidge gives spicy update on how white lotus changed her sex life she said these men like you better because they feel like you went through something that show really upped my game do they think that she like actually died and they're like oh my god these gays trying to murder me trying to murder me wow that's not crazy period sis pop off I would love to know just like what her DMs look like how low how young do you think she goes 20s for sure barely legal as she should I love that her. I would love to know her roster.

We love an older man. Like, who's her Everest?

We also do love an older man.

Maybe she's going older.

And I love that for her even more.

Speaking of age gaps, when we announced our relationship, I was a bit nervous.

Like, I was like, oh, God.

Just say the least.

Like, I just was imagining all the names that made me thrown my direction. Like what? What about my direction? You weren't thinking of that? He was not thinking about you during that time.
You weren't thinking of Child Bride? Because that one really stuck with me. Yeah, well, try to comment that on our Instagram now.
You won't be able to. Because he has blocked those words.
Yeah.

Period. For my mental health.

Thank you very much.

Recently, or yesterday, Tiger Woods announced his new girlfriend.

Wonderful.

Yeah.

I actually saw that on my timeline.

Not Facebook timeline.

What is it?

You're going to feed?

Feed.

You're on Facebook?

Feed.

No, I'm not.

But the only thing I could see really was like the receding hairline on her or him on him oh i was shocked i don't care who he's dating i was like i don't care i was like we need to plug so much money what are we doing you need to go to turkey get a wig something he doesn't even need to go to turkey don't those guys go to turkey because it's like less expensive no apparently it's like really good for them Like I don't know Like I think in Turkey They've really mastered Mastered the procedure Here they don't really It's not just like a Groupon thing No It's They do a really good job Okay I had a friend that went over It does seem odd That with all the money he has And he still has a receding hairline Anyways Back to who he's dating Anyway Who is he He a- Vanessa Trump. I don't even know if we're allowed to say that word because it's triggering for some people.
It's a very bad word. But she's not an actual.
She was married to his son. Which one? It doesn't matter.
I like my suitcase. So she kept the name though? I mean, I guess she was like, that's better than Smith.
She's like, Trump, baby. She said it's better than Smith.
Yep. Is she like in the fam? She is the ex-daughter-in-law.
I doubt she is still in the fam. I don't think she's still invited to.
She is not invited to family dinners. She's not going to Thanksgiving.
Because Tiger Woods is kind of like, you know, don't you want Tiger Woods going to your dinner party? if he's like a fan oh he was woods woods was at the inauguration oh he got like it's an off it's a family affair family affair yeah maybe he will be there for thanksgiving does new girlfriend have kids with honey you're asking questions about people that i know absolutely nothing about moving on um no right. Moving on.
Nope. Okay.
Not a clue. I could not tell you honestly what her hair color even is.
It was blonde. Oh, okay.
But I barely noticed with the receding line. You're still stuck on that.
I'm stuck on it. We won't get past it.
Jennifer Aniston and Pedro Pascal spark romance rumors with three-hour dinner. Can't two people eat dinner? Wait, what? Repeat.
Jennifer Aniston and Pedro Pascal spark romance rumors with three hour dinner. I mean, the people out here are just.
Maybe they're going to be in a new film. He's got a new film called The Mentalist coming out.
Speaking of being an actor, I auditioned for that role. I auditioned to play his brother.
Oh my gosh. And I was reading lines with him.
He didn't get it. He didn't get it.
No, you didn't. I auditioned to play his brother who gets married.
Oh my gosh. And I was reading lines with him.
Yeah. He didn't get it.
He didn't get it. He did not get it.
I was honestly a little like, I was like. What was the audition process? Most audition process nowadays, you just like, you film, you don't even go in.
It's like post COVID. They're just like, you know what? Just send something in.
Yeah. Like a video.
I was shocked that I got an audition. It was like, I forget the apologies to the director and writer but she is a legit person like award like and i was in and obviously pedro pascal and like uh took out johnson's in it like it's star-studded wait the new it's kind of like a dating like she's she's like isn't channing in it or something chris evans or oh chris yeah chris evans chris evans chris evans yeah anyways i auditioned to play Pedro Pascal's brother.
Wow. They do look a lot alike.
I literally, and I was like, because sometimes when I get auditions, I'm always like, and if the show, we're busy here, I got a lot of things going on. I'm just like, dude, should I audition? I got shit to do.
You're like, I have so much to do. And anyways, we did, you know, they were like, I was like, I literally called my manager like, they know who I am, right? Like, not in a, like, they know who I am.
No, but in like, are they sure? Are they sure? Yeah. This is like a real movie.
This wasn't, you know, it's not Christmas Cruise. I was about to say, but he did book the Christmas Cruise.
I did. And he did.
And he was a star. And you also had to kiss a man in something else, didn't you? Oh.
I did. Way to call him out.
Well, it was acting. No, I'm not saying I was acting.
He was acting. And you were acting.
I'm not a champion. No, you shouldn't be.
It was called The Coop. The Coop.
What is that? I played like a hot, like. A hot? Self-proclaimed.
I know. I'm like.
Why is that the first thing we're using? I played hot, sexy, amazing, smart. No, no, no.
I was the claim. I know.
I'm like, why is that the first thing we're using? I played hot, sexy, amazing, smart. I was the house hottie that was a little dumb and stupid.
My sexuality was yes. Okay.
As in. You're fluid.
I'm, do you want to have sex? Yes. That was, you know, and so in this character.
And how did you get ready for this role? Oh, and you want to know? So,

I have,

I can show you

when we get done.

Please don't.

It was the guy who,

you ever seen the movie

Project X?

Yeah.

The troublemaker friend?

Okay.

That's the guy I kissed.

Oh.

That's a good one to kiss.

And then,

on the couch next to us

doing the scene

was the sister

in Severance.

Oh,

Devin.

Oh.

Yeah.

Interesting.

So,

you are Hollywood.

I'm,

no,

like,

yeah.

You're literally hollywood you married an actor no i'm aware the coop why are you in that poster buster's in it too is that nick is that no it's not that's me no what did they photoshop you in what that looks we definitely did not take that photo together yeah that's it was low. What if they took that photo together and then they're like, and then we will put him down there.
That actually probably might have happened. Honestly, you are.
You're an actor. I'm really, we need to watch your films.
I think we should have a weekend where we just watch all of Nick's films. I don't even know if you can find that.
A movie like made for like some kind of like app streaming TV show. How old were you? I don't know.
Like 2018, maybe 2019. He's like, he was like last year.
My podcast existed when I did that. So it was after 2019, 2020 maybe.
Okay. Got it.
Pre-COVID. Very cool.
Yeah. Interesting.
I didn't know I was in the room with a star. Literally.
No. There are a few things in this world that I swear by.
One of them is Ritual. I've taken Ritual for years now.
I think we're going on year four. Honestly, I've taken every product that they offer just about.
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Should we get into some Southern charm?

You watched that.

Did you know, first of all, did you know that this episode was called Arrested Development?

I do now because I saw it, which is kind of great.

Can they take that?

It is a term. I understand it's the title of a very famous good show, but it's like saying,

can you take the word friends? Okay. That was a good analogy.
Fine. I understand it's the title of a very famous good show, but it's like saying, can you take

the word friends?

Okay.

Okay.

That was a good analogy.

Fine.

I'm sold.

Good to know.

Moving on.

Yeah.

So we can still use the word friends and Arrested Development.

It's a bit of a dig to their cast.

How?

Yeah.

How?

Do you know what Arrested Development means?

Let's not do this.

Let's get the-

Mary definition.

I've got it.

I've got it.

A stoppage or failure in the normal progression of physical or mental development. Suggesting that Shep, possibly Craig, possibly Austin.
It's like Peter Pan syndrome. It just named the cast.
It didn't say Shep or Craig. It says everyone.
Shep, Austin, and Craig are the stars, obviously. Let's not pretend they're not the main focus of the show.
They really were. It was like five episodes of The Bahamas.
And they are all 40-year-old men who, for various reasons, are like... Shep has hats in his living room.
I never understood that. It looks like a college dorm.
Yeah. The main thing I took from this episode is that when they're forced to throw a party for an episode, I don't want to go.
No, I do not want to go. It looks so boring.
Manufacturing reality TV parties are brutal. I hate that because like the final episode, you can tell that they were forced to do this.
Like, you know, everyone get together. It's the final episode.
And it's boring. I was like, is there even music? Everyone's just like small talking.
No, you know there's no music because they can't have music because they're filming. So they're just talking.
I just really appreciated Miss Pat when she just got there and walked straight inside and was like, it's too hot for this. Yes.
She walked straight inside. She didn't even.
Isn't she a producer on the show? Her and Whitney. Then why would she interrupt an argument to say goodbye to her? Because she don't give a fuck.
She needs a can of time. There's like producers and then there's like, you know.
Yeah, she's like, I'm out. Don't care.
She's like, knock, knock. She clearly isn't there to like keep the drama ensuing.
No. She was like, I have to say my goodbyes to my friends.
My young friends. Yeah, she's like, bye.
They're like arguing. But that place did look empty and not fun and a place I don't want to go how do you guys feel about this is my podcast now how do you feel about the whole JT drama you're allowed to ask questions this is a conversation I think he said something fucked up and he is like really trying to.

He's finding, he's trying to figure out what word best goes with the word black.

Okay.

He's like, I said a cute black girl, woman, a woman.

I called you.

That's what I said.

And then it's like all of you just, why'd you just describe her at all?

Like, why couldn't you just say like, there's this.

Great person. Yeah.
Her name's Vanita. Right.
He was getting like too descriptive with it. Yeah.
I don't know. I don't, I don't know how I feel about that whole situation.
Do you like him? No, it's not that I like him. I just don't know if they're like making reality TV or if he actually did something because she continues to stand up for him.
So that's why I'm like, wait, are the producers just making this whole thing a thing? Or is it that he's a shitty person? Well, we had her on a couple of weeks ago post filming and she was less team. Team JT.
At that point. Okay.
She wasn't like, oh, he's a horrible person. And, you know.
Yeah yeah like it wasn't like a complete like 180 but she was yeah seemed less team jt also like at the end of this episode they kind of gave us like because it was a season finale like first they they according to the show they started dating and i'm like well wait didn't he say he had a girlfriend so like was he dating this girl when he allegedly had a girlfriend who side are you on taylor or sally's this is i love sally because i know her personally and so sally and i we have mutuals but also she came on for like five minutes on bachelor in paradise and in uh in three minutes on clay The Bachelor. And in those five minutes that she was on, we talked for about two and a half.
So her and I- You got to know her real well. Yes, very well.
No, but I really like her and we kind of just keep in contact through social. So I really like her.
I also, I just feel like girl drama is just, I don't take a side. I just like Sally.

And I know her personally.

You think they're just trying, they're just like.

I just, I can, yeah.

I just think it's like stupid.

It's like, ugh.

I mean, it definitely is stupid.

I think.

I will say the stuff in the beginning where it was like Sally was really coming after Taylor and Gaston.

Yeah.

And it was like, you're in a relationship.

Yeah.

And Taylor came on here and she kind of explained like, I was back into the season to mend my relationships with these women because of last season with the whole Olivia and Austin thing. Right.
And it was like Sally took that opportunity to get closer to the women by also piling on to Taylor. I imagine it was more like the producer was like, that's a great plan, Taylor.
Exactly. But we're in Sally and she's going to start some shit with you.
I'm glad that you want to like mend fences, but we're... But that's not going to happen here, babe.
Like we just like not good for the girl. Yeah.
And I can see that now. It's like once you see it, you're like, well, we know why Sally was brought in.
Did you think that Shep was going to pull away from that kiss that they kept teasing all episode towards the end? Okay, can we talk about that? Because I'm a huge Southern charm fan. I've watched since day one.
Yeah, period by the way. So I feel like I know them in a sense even though I don't know them and I feel like he like wasn't into it

well they kept teasing it

it was like not it was showing

that he might be like oh

like taken by surprise he like wasn't

he was looking away she kind of

grabbed him and put him in

it all everyone was watching

over like seasons

and you can tell when he's like really into somebody

and so when she went in for like yes as a guy like if you're not you know doing your not the 90 like the hitch right you know like he was kind of back i agree if well if anyone but if grabbed my face yeah my my reaction would be like you're saying the man has to be like 90% leaned in?

It's like the hitch thing where it's like...

Yeah, if I'm going 10 and someone grabs my face to bring me in, I don't like that.

Because you say that we have to go 50-50.

Well, you are married.

With our chores.

No, no.

In bed, when I say, can I have a kiss?

And you're like...

That's why I'm being lazy.

That's why I'm being so fucking lazy.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's why he's being lazy.

That's not what he does when he's on dates with other girls. But I don't know if a kiss is coming.
When he's in bed with his wife across this fucking mattress. When my wife's like, kiss goodnight, I'm like, well, do your part.
Meet me halfway. I'm like, you said men go 90.
It does not apply to you. You are his wife.
That's a 20 minute argument before bed. Yikes.
If you want to know what's, what are, what do they call it? What? Our pillow talk. Oh yeah.
It's me being really angry. It's like, no, fine.
I'll go 85. She's like, oh, did you think that Austin being like, Sally, show us your boobs, show us your tits, having a girlfriend at home.
I, you know, if I was the girlfriend, I wouldn't be super excited about that. Oh, 100%.
Yeah. I wouldn't be super pumped on it, but I think it was more playful than it was like, I want to see your boobs.
Yeah. Show me right now.
It definitely was in a playful way. Of course.
But I do feel like him knowing he's mic'd, him knowing he's being filmed, him with a bunch of other people. No, it's crazy.
Listen, me, when I flirt, it's playful as fuck. Yeah.
But like, I'm married now. Yeah.
Was it boobs or tits? It was tits, I think. He said tits.
It was like, show us your tits, which is like. That's more grass.
Well, but it's also like a saying people say.

You know.

I like tits.

I like tits.

Show us your tits.

I think it's like funny, but I have very crude humor.

So maybe other people don't think it's so funny.

And I don't know if Sally did.

And I did not think she.

Well, I think towards the end she was kind of like, oh, it was a joke.

It's not that big of a deal.

But I mean, I didn't think that that was that bad.

I actually did think it was bad. Oh, you did? Because he has his girlfriend at home and like no it's not nice to her he's pookylicious yeah pookylicious pooky platimusum or whatever the fuck they call each other yeah that's crazy how do we feel finding out that Paige asked Craig to buy an engagement okay I love Paige we love Paige love Paige obsessed we're not here to really take no i'm taking sides and it is pages okay okay yeah so period like period i think that people can change their mind and that's free will and if she thought she can change her yeah and if she thought that oh i think i was gonna marry this person and in eight months time there was things that had happened and it made her feel otherwise i think she's totally able to say i'm thinking i want to get engaged this is what i want for an engagement ring i don't think that's crazy and then eight months later you're like actually i changed my mind hey let's slow it down a little bit yeah yeah i don't see anything wrong but we have empathy for craig no or is it just like you i mean no it's not that.
I definitely have empathy for him because I'm sure that's really hard. But I don't think that it's just overnight.
There was obviously signs and things that the public doesn't know about with them that there was indicators that this probably wasn't going to work out. I do see his side, and I think two things can be true at once.
I think he can mean well in both aspects of like wanting to support her to the fullest extent on this tour and also being like, hey, I do want our relationship to still be like priority in your life because like we have been together for three years. Like we were going on seeing each other every single week and now this is like going to put a strain on our relationship.
So we really have to like make sure we make our relationship a priority so it doesn't break under all this like added stress and pressure of like you being so busy and it's not seeing each other anymore. And her taking that as like you don't support me at all.
I was like, well, I feel like maybe he just really wants to make sure his relationship's solid. I think they're just going in two different directions.
Totally two different directions. She's thinking like, I have this amazing career ahead of me.
And I could see how she would feel like almost pulled down by him being like, well, when are you going to come back to Charleston? And when are you going to be like, it's almost like, well, I have these things that I have going for me. It's like, I do feel like this is a season or when this was filming, in their relationship where like it's not normal they have to adapt and like maybe Craig has to fly to all these different cities to be with her on tour if he wants to like make because she can't.
One part I was very team Craig and not that it's not team Paige it's more like when they were talking about her tour and how she seemed to be kind of annoyed with the idea of even having a boyfriend and having to consider his emotional needs. And he was just kind of like, I mean, listen, I just kind of, you know, like if let's say Nally went on tour, you know, and like she had to travel or if I had to go on tour, like i would think that we would go out of our way to be like you know going out with some friends or whatever and like page didn't want to even have to like let her then boyfriend know kind of like what she was doing period and i think that's why they shouldn't be together for sure like she just made the right decision yeah but like i that's what i'm i just yeah i wonder if it was based off of that like because when she was saying it they were still together and when she's saying it she on some are you talking about on summer house when she was talking to amanda and she was like i feel like i'm gonna hate maybe summer house yeah like there's you know i also can i ask does anyone know this answer sierra leia like what timeline are we in when we watch some Southern Charm and Summer House, are we- Summer House is after.
They're filming after, because like we're watching at the same time. So it feels like the timeline's the same.
Because it's July when they start Summer House because they go to the Hamptons in July. Okay.
And then before that is when they film, because that's like what May, like March through May for Southern Charm. And I know like Charm obviously started before Summer House, but now we're watching these episodes and like Craig and Paige are in these opposite episodes and it feels like the same timeline, but it's actually a very different timeline.
Yeah, it's after. So yeah, it just kind of feels like when Paige was saying this, being in a relationship with Craig, I was very much understanding where Craig's coming from.
Like he's not allowed to check in. There's the...
The Summer House after show, Paige shared that, and Amanda shared that, Craig would send her documentaries, like the ABBA documentary, and the whole theme of it was how Tor ruins families and ruins lives. So it's pretty manipulative being like, before you go on Tor, sorry, you're feeling anxious about it, but here, watch this.
Maybe you shouldn't go, essentially. Yeah.
I hate that. Yeah.
That's not great, you know. She also says, I think I loved him so much that I tolerated too much.
And now that I'm out of it, I look back at things and I'm like, oh, wait, anytime she had a personal or professional milestone, Craig would find a way to make it about him. It was just embarrassing.
So that's something that I look back on now and I'm like, oh, wow, I was really very blinded. I had to do a lot of damage control.
I don't, I wouldn't commute. I don't think that's the best communication, but I don't like, I don't think we can assume that it was malicious or manipulative.
Maybe he's just like, hey, you know, like I'm really worried about us. Like in that moment, Craig is thinking, I just bought her an engagement ring.
I'm going to marry this person. Like before we got engaged, I was under the impression that we were each other's top priority.
You know, and if you're by an engagement ring. I'm going to marry this person.
Before we got engaged, I was under the impression

that we were each other's top priority.

And if you're buying an engagement ring,

work aside,

you're still operating as if

we are the most important thing.

And that was what Craig was doing.

Clearly Paige just wasn't feeling that.

She had the right to feel that way too.

Exactly.

To like, oh, he sent these videos

and then speak on it

as if it's some evil manipulative shit. I don't know if we can assume that.
But she did also say that she and Craig probably didn't have great communication because she was too straightforward and stern for his liking. It was like, you're harsh.
So I would kind of have to stay more quiet when he would voice his opinions because he would always take it as like a personal attack. Which that's hard to.
she's entitled to her opinion, but every time she speaks on Craig, she is speaking as if he's the problem. And I get from her point of view...
From her perspective, it could be. Yeah.
And also, I think over a period of time, there's going to be hurt. Yeah.
I just like... It just always seems like when two people speak on these relationships, I think there's a difference between like page feelings towards craig and craig's team feelings towards page in terms of like conflict in the relationship and like us fans audience members like as if someone actually did something wrong or like there's something they shouldn't do is it's like well you know yeah i can see why that was frustrating i can see why they fought i can see why they maybe weren't on the same page but like we all want all want to make, he sent a video.
But that is definitely, if she's not feeling like supported by him about going on this tour and then he sends her like, hey, watch this. It ruins relationships and families.
Like that to Sierra's point, like is a little manipulative. I agree it's manipulative.
I mean, I guess, but maybe he felt like he's like, he's like so sticky up for Greg. He.
He's like, oh, maybe he. I mean, yeah, I guess as the guy, I do like, I can understand where like he felt like maybe his needs weren't getting met, you know? Probably not.
And he was trying to communicate things. And like, yeah, their relationship was very much like Paige having no problem being like, this is how I feel, fucking deal with it.
And Craig clearly was like, um, like, I...

It doesn't seem like that was,

like, maybe that's how it is on camera,

but it seems like behind closed doors,

her saying like...

She was having to silence herself.

Yeah, she's saying like, I was too harsh,

and if I was too harsh, he would like...

It's like, were you silenced or were you silenced?

Yeah, but maybe she was like building resentment

over a period of time with him, you know?

It kind of sounds like she hates him now.

Yeah, well, I mean... you silence yeah but maybe maybe she was like building resentment over a period of time with him you know and kind of sounds like she hates him now yeah well i mean he he didn't really stick up for her or anything when there was like cheating accusations and stuff there really it's it's a good point nick has really you broke my heart you're my ex you're not my responsibility anymore good.
Do your best. But like your emotional needs are not my problem anymore.
She's made that clear. So like.
Well, now she has. Yeah.
But like, it's not his job. Like he.
Listen, she went about her life. Good for her.
You're right. She has every right to break up with them.
People break up all the time. They're hurt feelings.
It is what it is. And that's what.
And that's kind of my point. We're just talking about hurt feelings.
And when there's hurt feelings, it doesn't mean someone's the actual bad guy. Like if I have hurt feelings, I might think you're the bad guy, but that doesn't mean you're the bad guy.
Right. And so, and great.
She wanted to operate how she wanted to operate. I don't know what's been going on, who she's dating, but like whether there was a crossover or not, like we all know how public perception works, right? We have Pedro Pascal going out to dinner with jennifer aniston and now all of a sudden there's dating rumors you know what i'm saying she knows how this shit works and she was like hey you're gonna be seeing a lot of me and she was going out in public to games with another guy shortly after she's responsible for her rumors being talked about her and she wants then craig to step up and say don't worry guys she would she would never do something.
How does he fucking know? He was blindsided by the breakup. He doesn't know what's going on.
Anytime we get blindsided by a breakup, what's the first thought? Is there someone else? What's going on? You know, and he's he so he doesn't fucking know. And he's supposed to what? Have her back.
Meanwhile, she's going on all these like post shows being like he's sending me manipulative texts and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And throwing him under the bus.
And he's supposed to what? Still be like, she's my queen. Don't worry.
Fine. Did you think that Craig should have like immediately talked to Kyle on switching to Summer House? That whole like awkward conversation at the table where he's like, I'm not going to get into this right now.

You haven't watched Summer House?

No, I didn't watch the newest one for the past like three.

Oh my God.

Oh, I love Summer House.

No, I do too.

Ah, ah, whatever.

Oh, what?

Hey, Leia.

Yes.

Hannah talked,

I don't know,

she did a live or something,

Hannah Burner?

Yes.

She talked about like getting fired from Bravo.

Like, I don't remember.

Like, why did she get fired?

Like, that was before my time. didn't like hannah on her seasons first of all she didn't just like in general she didn't get along with a lot of the cast there was a lot of drama her last season was uh a covid season so they never got to really leave the house um and she thinks that she was unfairly portrayed but then it was supposedly that kyle had an issue with her and she's claiming that Kyle got her fired.
So her truth is Kyle did get her fired. He's claiming that that's not true.
But from what I've heard, she thinks it's because she did a deal with Truly that he got her fired, but he was also fighting with her the last season she was on. So it's very possible.

I mean, that would be fucking crazy for Kyle to expect

that no one in the cast is supposed to like make money

off of any other liquor period.

That would be-

Especially if he's not paying anyone else

to like support his brand.

It's so wild.

Well, that's why I kind of like want him to discuss

what he thinks is the lie that's being spread about him

because that's what we don't understand either. Like if she didn't get fired because of that, then why did she get fired? Because that's what she's going around saying.
Exactly. But he has not given us any other- Also, yeah, her firing seems different than other Bravo firings.
It's like they kind of ask someone else because they're A, not that good of TV. They're not that dramatic.
Or they get put on pause because they get a DUI or something. But like Hannah was messy and dramatic.
That's good TV. How do you get fired for being good TV? It's like how much pull does Kyle really have with production to like- But Kyle and Amanda are like huge storyline.
It feels like with some of these shows, like Southern Charm,

it's what's his name?

Who's the producer?

Whitney.

Whitney.

And then like,

they're always like in Jack,

like,

you know,

we'll throw it up.

Jack's in the Valley.

Despite whatever's going on with Jack's in the Valley,

like Jack's kind of organized the Valley.

Kyle was like the brainchild,

I think.

Yes.

Behind Summer House.

Yeah.

And it feels like.

I agree.

Every one of these shows has one person

who's kind of like.

Orchestrating. Orchestrating it and has a lot more pull with production.
And it was like the producer pet than some of the other cast. Yeah.
He's probably like kicking his feet being like, I don't want her on here anymore. There's always like one little teacher's pet.
So that makes sense. West and Sierra.
I'm kind of loving their dynamic

like this season

I haven't gotten too deep into it

I need them to hook up one more time

I do too

Sierra admitted she was like

she called them out about something

and then she was like

I need a drunk night and I need a hook up

and a regretful morning

and then I need them to just like

be cool and like just

I know but like for her heart

Thank you. I need a drunk night and I need a hookup and a regretful morning.
And then I need to just like be cool and like just. I know.
But like for her heart, I don't want her to. I know.
Her heart is fine. I know.
I think she really liked him. I think she did.
I think it's more bruised ego. Really? Oh, yeah.
I think at this point it is because of all like the press he did after. And like, that's kind of what she kept bringing up.
This is is like why do you keep talking about me if you don't want to she obviously is has a lot going for her yeah she has she's so pretty some might find her to be the most one of the more eligible people out there absolutely i think she's told this a lot as you know often people are and then you have west who a lot of people like have you know he's funny and he. And he's, I mean, in person, we met, he's a very good looking guy.
He's six foot, he's tall. Like he's also, but like, you know, he presents as more like the, a bra, like a, just another guy.
And everyone tells Sierra that West is beneath her. And everyone tells West that Sierra is above her.
You can't get better. You can't get better.
And then West is the one who turned her down. And I just think, you know, you got bruised, you know, and that's a recipe for bruised ego.
Okay. I can see it.
I mean, I. But I do think she's better than him.
Maybe so. And as do I.
And I think we do. I need the episode of Lexi and Sierra.
Oh, my gosh. Whatever this is with Jesse, I need to see it.
Yeah. I want to know what happened because I feel like why would Sierra be like encroaching on their thing? She should know better.
What? What do you mean? Oh, she should know better. What? Why did I say that was so wrong? Yeah, I mean, shouldn't she? No, I don't.
But like also flirting is so subjective. Like they've known each other for a long time So I feel like maybe their dynamic comes off flirty But Lexi's like new to the group I don't think people who are very good flirts And I don't know Sierra that well But I'm guessing she's pretty good if she wants to be Yeah but if she wanted Jessie couldn't she just have them She said several times There's a difference between wanting Jessie and wanting Jessie to want her or like flirt.
But we all flirt. Of course, but Jessie is pursuing a relationship in the house.
So why is it Sierra's fault? Yeah, why is it Sierra's fault? It's Jessie's fault. Of course it's Jessie's fault.
Jessie is responsible. But like, does that mean like she can do whatever she wants? She's responding to Jessie.
And I agree. She's responding to the energy that Jessie's bringing her.
Sure. If Jessie approached her and was like, hey, Sierra.
They can't both be slightly wrong. Look at me.
Hey, Sierra. Good to see you.
Then she wouldn't be like, oh my God, hug me. She plays into it.
He feeds it to her. Sierra's loyalty isn't to Lexi.
Clearly. Clearly.
I feel'm just, clearly. I feel like she knew Jessie before, so it's not like her and Lexi are super close.
I'm just, I'm just, couldn't, I could be wrong, but I am just guessing if the roles were reversed and some new baddie came in to the house and like last season. But I do like Lexi, I know.
When West and Sierra were going out, doing it and she started, you know she started If Sierra was new to the house And there was someone already there

You're like role reversal

I just think she might feel like

Upset

I get it

I could see Lexi saying

You're not being a girl's girl

Totally

But also maybe

I don't know

What do you have to say Leah?

I don't know for sure

But does anyone think

That Sierra might be doing this

To make Wes jealous?

Oh

Wes jealous

Now that

Is a plot twist

If so

I hate that

Because it's like

It's his friend

And it's just like

But Jesse's going hard

Like first

Yeah and Jesse's doing it

So like if Wes was really

In getting jealous

He would get

He would probably say something

To Jesse And clearly they Wes and Jesse Are just like so like if Wes was really jealous he would probably say something to Jesse and clearly Wes and Jesse are just like cuddle buddies like they're I don't know I don't think so at all I would do it that's what I would do if I were Sierra period but it wouldn't be effective is what I'm saying Nick knows everything you need to know this by now he is a man and he has all male perspective For every male Ever Did I not say I don't think The amount of women laughing right now I will have to just go fuck myself for sure Justin is one of the girls He is I'm wrong obviously wrong, obviously, for sure. No, you're not.
It's a good perspective. Clearly, Jessie and Wes are like, they're good to go.
Clearly, we're team girls and you're team guys. If I learn anything from this episode, wow! God forbid, I just point out possibly a perspective.
Devil's know. The devil doesn't need one.
No, he does not. At this point, honestly, he has too many.
He has Nick. I'll be going 90 tonight.
Yeah. Yeah.
For sure. You will be going 100.
You will be going 100. And 10.
100%. Did you ever get into any Housewives or are you strictly just Summer Housewives? No, Beverly Hills for sure.
Yeah. I love those girls.
Are you watching the season? I started, stopped, but I just like- It's boring. It is a little boring and it's kind of the same thing over and over again, but I love Kyle Richards.
I do too. Just love her.
I do too. They could never make me hate her.
I know. Do you, how are you feeling about her and Mo? Do you want them to get back together or are you like kind of just like

I mean of course I always want like

a love story to work out but like

at this point with everything that's come out

and he's like an Aspen with

the girls and they're in the bikinis I'm like

I kind of just

don't want that. But for

their kids I think it would be great for them

to just have like a mom and dad that are together.

If we're going to keep talking about them like kind of like with Sierra and West I kind of want to like a I want them to at least hook up yeah she needs to like go over to Mo's place and like sexy time and show up we need like a security camera footage of Kyle like entering yes like his apartment and she's wearing like a trench coat and. And she has like really sexy lingerie.
And she just like whips it off. And then she's like a dominatrix.
And she's like, get on your knees. Oh my God.
What do you guys think? Yes, I agree. Yeah.
Did you watch Mom Talk? Or Mormon Wives? No. She's like, I haven't heard.
What is that on? I have not heard it. Secret Lives of Mormon Wives? I didn't watch't watch it oh you need to okay it's that I've heard mixed reviews I'm not really into Mormon moms you know no offense it is I think it's a little produced I think these girls know what they're doing I think they know how to get a second season they want to to be famous.
I don't care. They want to be famous.
It's awesome. It is Millie Bobby Brown's favorite reality TV show.
Well, I will do anything she does, so I'll be watching. Okay.
Because I love her. Okay.
I think it's really good. Okay.
So you're excited for the second season? Oh, I'm so excited. Why do you think it's so good? Because I think they're professional TV makers.
Because he loves drama. Well, yeah.
I mean, listen, like Bravo, it's different than The Bachelor. It's just the right reasons.
And it's just like on The Bachelor, there is this weird kind of balance between making a TV show and real humans taking a shot at this crazy experience. It's true.
And kind of like falling in love, but not knowing if it's real love or it's you have no idea you have no real idea like and you're off the grid and it's a social experiment you know and like whether it's bravo housewives summer house southern charm these are people just like making a tv show while also living their lives yeah i do love that and you have to be like you be, like, you just, you have to be a professional. Like, this is their, you know, I know, like, like Summer House, like, we all pretend that, like.
It's their job. Yeah, like, we like to pretend that, you know, like, whether it's Kyle or Carl, you know, last season, I was always like, you don't have a job.
It's like, he's a TV star. He makes a lot of money to go film in the Hamptons for one month.
But to pretend that's not the case but like it's going on and the mormon wives like they're fucking professionals they show up to fucking work they give their all they are on set they are they are doing crazy shit that whether you think it's forced produced or not that they it is like cops sometimes need to be called you know like really like these women's like no that was before the show either way but i was just there i also heard that next season i heard that they're it's so intense that like think about it it's very costly for production crews to come set up be there without it being you know filmed and i i heard that it's so intense and so messy that they had to stop down production for periods of time to let some of these women reset, protect their mental health, because it was so fucking crazy and intense at times. And for it being a second season and production to be willing to like cater to those needs means they're clearly getting excellent content.

I agree.

I mean, fuck, I'll watch it.

Jesus.

Just saying.

Did you see that MomTalk's going on Vanderpump Villa and Stassi Schroeder teased that shit goes down when they come to the villa?

Yeah.

Is that going to convince you to watch Vanderpump Villa? Probably not. No.
You're not going to watch the MomTalk episode with Stassi? Why? Maybe. You know.
I will be. I'm not Team Lisa Vanderpump right now.
I don't want to get into it. I feel like that's a whole other fucking ball of wax.
Ball of wax. It is very waxy.
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Do you like ASMR at all? No.

It's not for me. I hate it.

But I can understand why people like it.

There's this creator online.

Over the weekend, I saw it and I was like, oh, this is kind of like

I watched it like 10 times

and I'm like, why am I watching it?

I'm kind of weirdly like, you're obsessed.

You don't know why you're obsessed.

This right here. Listen to this.

Oh, no.

This man's life is absurd. Those are really bad push-ups.
Why did he squeak for push-ups? What's on his nose? It's 4.40 a.m. He's journaling.
This is like your morning. Oh, no.
It is my morning. Is that sparkling water?

I love him.

Now he puts on his jewelry.

Is he wearing a Van Cleef?

He needs his Rolex to tell the time.

And his Van Cleef, of course. Oh, my God.

This is more than I do in a year.

He's done more in two hours than I've done in a week.

Is that a Zambo pony? Wow. We're only at 8.20 a.m.
He got up at three. What? Did he just rub a banana peel on his face? How many more? So looking at it, bro, we gotta go ahead and get in at least 10,000.
Period. What was he even talking about? I love it.
It's like a little insight into his work life. He's got a chef?

Apparently.

He must be sponsored by that water.

Who is this guy?

Mary, play the track video.

That's how I discovered him.

Who is this guy?

Well, I don't know.

He's been all over the internet.

It felt like he had Butler.

Yeah.

I feel like that was his girlfriend that he does not share on social media. Yes's like I need your I need your nails to hand me This place But we do not need your face His name is Ashton Well at least give him crud I would say Ashton Is probably 5'11 The internet says he's 5'7 What? Really? Like people that know him or they're just like guessing? Well, he was walking next to his G-Wagon.
And a G-Wagon's 5'7". If you're tall.
And he with shoes on. No.
There's no way. No, a G-Wagon's taller than 5'7".
I don't. Let's see here.
5'7"? A G-Wagon's got to be. There's no way.
A G-Wagon's taller than 5'7 I don't 5'7 then you're taller than a G-Wagon there's no way a G-Wagon's gotta be sitting at 6'6 6' flat but now all these videos of various guys like him who have all these and there was this other one I found and the guy looks like Christian McCaffrey so much that Christian McCaffrey responded to the DM what did he say he's like something I would I would never. He's like, I don't wear board shorts because the guy was wearing board shorts.
But he lives in this tiny house and he also drives a Ferrari. All these guys live in a...
If you live in an apartment... Why are you driving a Ferrari? Why are you driving a $200,000 car? Let's invest in a home.
Can't see it, man. Maybe it's a rental.
This is how I discovered this man. Oh.
Lemon water. Now it's a rental.
This one. This is how I discovered this man.
Lemon water. Now it's lemons.
Like, what is that? Guys, like, what is that? I think it's a thing for running. Oh, I thought that was like a heart monitor.
No socks. No socks? No socks is nuts.
I do want that bag. I do want that bag.
We love the goyard. This next championship needs to be for athletes.
He has security? He has a friend posting. What kind of car is this? Yeah, it's not showing any logos.
Wow. No.
Rolls Royce? There it is. A Rolls Royce.
That's his camera crew. Now he's getting ready to work out.
What does he do? He's just running sprints. Apparently faster than the car.
He's definitely sponsored by that water oh he's meeting his fans i mean the man is a man that body yeah well anyways i'm obsessed but also him being five seven is definitely there's no you never know what to believe on the air he does lifestyle coaching oh he does lifestyle coaching that's kind of on point for him i guess yeah that's he that's that tracks yeah that was the that is a lifestyle and that is a lifestyle it's like he was telling the little the the younger kids who came up to him like man just like believe in your dreams like that was his like yeah we got to get 10 000 more whatever did you hear on bachelor when grant like, my dad gave me some really good advice. He told me to follow my heart.
You're like, oh, that's what he gave you? Period. Okay.
He said, and that's what I'm going to do. Oh, thank God your dad told you that.
Well, thank God you're going with your heart. Like my dad gave me really good advice.
Go with my heart. Well, his friend might have said, trust your gut said trust your gut and it's like which one yeah we could get into that but i don't think you should trust your gut you don't really do you think your gut lies to you i do i think your gut is a survival thing so when you've grown up in trauma sometimes your gut isn't accurate i would disagree your gut reacts i mean it's actually a good thing i talked to my therapist about it.
It's actually like yeah, it's actually a good thing. I talked to my therapist about it.

It's actually like, yeah, it's actually studied.

But I think you can have intuition where you're like, I don't think this situation's right

for me, but sometimes our gut isn't always telling us.

I think your body knows.

And I think we are so good at lying to ourselves and not listening to our body or our gut.

And that's the thing that you're calling your gut is the thing.

It's the voice that says, there's that part of you that says something's going on and then you're like no that's crazy i don't want to be neurotic i'm nervous you know like i don't want to maybe you know but that one that there's always something that says i don't know i don't know i think like when you find out to be when you find out when you're blind whatever it is you're you get some news and you're you know like you never you're are you totally fucking always just being like totally 100% blindsided or is there a part of you that says you know that then that one part that that that felt a little off and i just kind of ignored it because i didn't want to seem crazy and i don't want to like i don't want to be the neurotic person i don't want to like oh you know maybe I think other people are blindsided. Maybe.

Also, maybe not. Agree or disagree? Period.
What else do we have, guys? It looks like Meredith Marks is going to be performing a DJ set at Out Loud Music Festival. She's DJing now? I guess so.
Who's Meredith Marks? You don't watch Salt Lake? My God, if you're going to watch any. Let's kill her.
If you're going to watch Housewives, you have to do Salt Lake City. Really? It's the best.
Okay. Yeah.
Way better than Beverly Hills. Well, this season.
Okay. Beverly Hills.
But she's, wow, she's DJing now. Oh, she's a DJ.
She turned in the bath bombs for DJ equipment? She's like, you know what? Fuck this. You think she's talked to Kyle at all about it? Kyle.
Kyle. I thought you meant Richards.
Because he is also a DJ. And thank God he is.
If I was just like, hey. I don't think I could support it.
You don't think so? No, I couldn't support you. I wouldn't support you.
Yeah, I think I would. What did Lindsay Hubbard say last season when Carl was like, I think I want to do a soft bar, a non-alcoholic bar.
Yeah, I'm going to have to shut that one down. It's like, you mean like, that's just crazy.
What are your top three least favorite jobs for me? Like this all goes to shit. Least favorite? Yeah I want to pivot.
I'm like you know what podcasting I've done it I'm over it. It's like I don't know anymore.
I want to blank. I think DJ's definitely up there.
I think DJ's number one What? Not from the word Oh yeah Shit Oh sorry Justin Justin's like no job DJ's definitely up there I think if you were like Lifestyle coach I would struggle I honestly could see you doing that You would be a great like mentor though Yeah I give advice I don't even think it's bad I think the difference between I think no I think it's more so Like if you were like I want to pursue singing I would he's like I want to be I want to be a country music star I'd be like okay if I'm gonna give advice for living outside of an ethnic episode on a podcast I'm gonna go to school and become a therapist I think that would be great I'm not gonna call myself a to call myself a lifestyle coach. And start selling like CDs.

Products.

Products and like.

Yeah.

And videos of my day with ASMR.

Could you imagine?

I could see it, honestly.

I would giggle.

Do you deep down hate me?

No.

No, I love you.

But I could kind of see it.

Couldn't you see him doing that?

No, God, no.

God, no.

Because I wouldn't be motivational.

I'd be like.

No, his ego wouldn't allow him.

But again, if all of this went away and he had to find something i think you would i think you would go back to school and you'd become a therapist yeah but that's the actual thing you would do and i think i would struggle if you're like i want to be a dj i think i'm going to be a singer and a background dancer i can't i can't sing but i can't dance what if Oh no i don't like a hip-hop dancer and he like goes to him like 9 p.m he's like hey i gotta call up clay neckard i'm like hey can i join oh no yeah i could not if you start posting videos like that he's getting really good he is getting know, you know, he went through a lot of trauma. At this point, I thought we were done.
Hang up the ballet shoes. Dude, everyone's got to, you gotta find your thing.
They're not ballet shoes, they're Jordans. Yeah.
He's hip hopping. Yes, of course.
Listen, I was, I made, this is love because early in our dating time period, I'm scared. I made, I made Natalie roller skating oh and i look back and i was like the for what instagram for content and i was like hey i need to post this video immediate post me but i had to record him spinning no it's the biggest no it's like i look back and i was like well this is before i didn't even know what icks were at this point like i didn't it wasn't like a internet thing and i looked and that was like I didn't even know what icks were at this point It wasn't like an internet thing And that was The sex was that good That I was like I can look past it It wasn't that, that was a different friend A different friend That's what I made Natalie do There are things that men should not do Roller skating is one of them That's not for you, that's girls.
Yeah, but I'm going to do it with my daughter. Look at it.
I recorded that, Victoria. We went roller skating for our kids.
What? I'm crying behind the camera. I just want to know why you're so good at it.
Because I've been roller skating since I was like three. So they just put you a roller skate lesson? And he would be like, I need you to walk around me He was directing me.
It's a big fat ick. And thank God, nowadays, if he's like, well, yeah, I'm like, I can't.
When I put on roller skates, I feel fucking free. I just, I love it.
It's John Travolta. I love rolling around and dancing on wheels.
I know, it's disgusting. No, no, no.
Honestly, you're kind of, you're, yeah, you're touching my heart a little bit over there. And you know what I did? I went to the YouTube Creator Summit.
Okay. And as a, I'm sorry, baby.
And I am so sorry, baby. I didn't see your hand there.
As like a group activity for like bonding, they went roller skating. So I went roller skating.
And you're like, and I did show off off my skills I was the first one there and I was the last to leave

No I don't

Like I don't give a fuck

Like when one time

Before I met Natalie I have a friend

Dear friends of mine are

Friends with Emma Stone name drop

And she hosted a fundraiser

That also include roller skating

So I was through friends invited

To such a fundraiser

And I was literally

Just by myself dancing

Thank you. fundraiser that also include roller skating so i was through friends invited to said they're like who would want to do this so like and i was i was literally just by myself dancing on the skating rink and everyone's like what is that nick spashan like what the fuck is going on wait it's one of those things it's one of those moments where like nick thinks he's so cool and he's like killing it everyone's like wait but why i was stoned out of my mind and then i had a friend i had a my friend who's also their friends with my friends got invited um she was there with her boyfriend and the i believe the hame sisters were there it was the stars you know and wow and we were in this like vip hollywood we were in this vip group um because of just through friends i was just i was just a tag along and and and my our friend mutual friend her boyfriend was there and she was breaking up with her boyfriend at this event they got in a fight and and i went to my friend and i sat down next to her and like pat her on the back also who um brie larson was there captain marvel uh oscar oscar award winning actor actor.
Terrible names. I came over to console my friend and Brie Larson and the Hame sisters thought that was my girlfriend.
And then I wanted to go back roller skating. And so I patted my friend on the back and went and just started skating again.
And Brie Larson thought I had broken up with my girlfriend and just said, and patted her like on the shoulder. He's like, I gotta get back out there.
Get to the rink. And she thought she was witnessing like me being an absolute monster.
Wow. So she hated you.
Well, she was like- Have y'all ever talked? I know she asked our friends. They're like, is that, I'd like dating.
And then my friends were like, no, that's not what's going on. Yeah, okay, good.
And he's like, hey, I gotta get out back out there,. Good luck out there.
The old skates are getting dry.

Anyways, back to the...

When I went roller skating a couple months ago,

I thought to myself, you know what?

I get to do this with my daughter in a couple years.

And I got really excited.

And that is a full circle moment.

And now I like you again.

Thank you.

And I don't think you're a creep.

What a whirlwind rollercoaster you went on. Thank you for fighting for

us after that. I did.

And she did. And I did.

I think it was one of those things where it's like

you just kind of block it out.

It was trauma. It was trauma

and I lived through it and then I blocked it out

and I said I will never think about that again.

Ever. Ever.

And I didn't. And she didn't until

right now. And then you made me shave your head to do that um bit on instagram the talking with you during covet and i like loved your hair so much and you were like i think i want to shave it i was like yeah great idea you told me it was hot you told me it was hot in fact i remember specifically if i want to get real tmi you looking up at me and going, that's, your hair looks so good.
Your lack of hair looks so hot.

Wrap it up.

I buzzed it.

She, if I want to get real TMI, you looking up at me and going, that's, your hair looks so good. Your lack of hair looks so hot.
I buzzed it. She's like, your bald head is so good.
Is that a bald spot? I hate that. Sierra's rocking back and forth in the shower.
She's like, I think you need to go to Turkey. Yeah.
And we will be going to Turkey after this.

Did people think in that episode what you thought, Sierra, whenever we were talking about that?

I don't know.

I didn't check the comments.

I haven't been back to that video.

I've scrubbed that from my mind.

Thank you.

I didn't realize, but when we were talking to Ari Shaffer about...

Sex?

Oh, anal.

Anal sex.

And I said, I thought you lost your anal virginity to me. Sierra thought I was pegging you.
Oh my god. It came out.
And I was like oh my god no. People think you're real kinky.
Wow. Wow.
Didn't you lose your anal virginity to me? I wonder if Ari thought that as well and he was just like so uncomfortable. He's like cool man.
That's why he said we were his favorite married couple. That makes sense.
Wowie wow wow. Woo! And here we are.
Yeah. Well that is that.
Well I don't know. Still not as crazy as White Lotus which you haven't.
Please don't. I'm i'm going on a date tonight um no can we talk about your love life since you brought it up sure great love thank you he was just waiting i wasn't i was just i wanted to respect your all right here we go i got a lot of questions for you well how is your heart the typical nick question how's your heart? The typical Nick question.
How's your heart? I hate this. He's got an evil grin.
A special going deeper episode starts now. I literally have left the building.
He has locked me out of this conversation. He has turned his body.
This is about going deeper as Nick. So we're going to get 10,000.
Yeah, you turned your fucking body towards me. I know what's going on here.
My heart is is good I'm going on a date this weekend

Are we

Dating apps these days or are we

Staying off it's mutual friends only

Who are coordinating this

How do you meet people

You know what's so funny is everyone's like oh the dating scene

Sucks and I just

I will say I get pretty lucky

Yeah so I'm going on a date

On next weekend Is he older or younger or same age I hope he I get pretty lucky. Yeah, so I'm going on a date on next weekend.
Is he older, younger, same age? I hope he... Please tell me he's in his 40s.
He is not. But I have to.
No. Is he your age? No.
Is he younger? Younger. She's the cooger these days.
I'm kind of into... Kind of into it.
Lately. That's okay.
Call me Jennifer Coolidge. Oh, yeah.
Yeah, so he's younger and- Is he like super athletic? He may dabble in the athletics department. He may or may not be in the athletics department.
Wait, so how are you meeting people these days? It's mutual friends being like, I know somebody. Yeah, it's so weird.
It's like, I've gotten so lucky with that. I've never had to get on a dating app.
This is the first date. It is.
Have we, how much have we talked with the date? Are we, how blind are we going in? Are we texting? We're semi-acquainted. He called me the other day and we talked for an hour and 17 minutes.
And I wasn't annoyed did he did he did he's like hey i'd love to call you or did he just randomly call you and just thought maybe she'll pick up because like that's considered psycho behavior in 2025 it's true um no he texted me and he had a two and a half hour drive from somewhere to somewhere and he was like I would love if you could keep me some company. Hot.

Yeah.

And I was like.

You're like, I.

I've cancer all of my plants.

I was like, I'll allow it.

I'll allow it.

And then I'm like, oh, God.

What do I do?

It's so awkward.

I gotta take a shower.

Did the conversation flow or was it a little awkward?

Did you like play I Spy as he drove?

He was like, I see Alabama license plate.

No, we did not play I Spy. Thank you.
But we, no, it wasn't awkward at first. I think he felt like a little awkward, but he was really sweet.
He like, I was staying in over the weekend and I didn't go out and he was like, am I on speakerphone? And I was like, because he knows Buxton and Cash, my two dogs. And he was like dogs and he was like all right buxton and cash like thank you for letting me steal your mom for a little bit it was really sweet he knows the way in my heart yeah um okay cute yeah what are you gonna wear i haven't figured it out yet we're going to dinner a fall dinner so it's dinner one night and then the next day we're doing a whole activity together all day.
We're going to the Miami Open. Oh, that makes sense.
I feel like you've been going to a lot of tennis events recently. Have I? I don't know.
Weren't you in the New York one? Oh, yeah. The US Open.
Yes, of course. The New York Open.
The Miami Open. Yeah.
Do you know how to score in tennis? What do you mean? Do you know how they keep score in tennis? When you hit it out of the bounds. Yeah.
What's 0-0? Wait, what? Love serving love? Yeah. Yeah.
Are you trying to trick me? I'm just asking if you know. Yeah, I do.
It seems like you might need to know. Yeah.
I mean, I think I know nothing about tennis. That is the most confusing sport to me.
What's one score? 10. It's 10 points and it goes up to 40.
Oh, my God. Oh, 15.
15, 30, 40. Yeah, and then it goes up to 40 by 10.
And then if you're tied, then it's deuce. Why couldn't we just do one point? It's deuce, yeah.
What's a birdie? It makes no sense. What? A birdie? A birdie? Oh, that's actually golf.
Oh, got it. Okay.
Different sport. She's like, yes, of course.
Yes. A hawk.
And how optimistic are we about said date? Here's the thing. I think people are very interested in people's love lives when they get off the show and they get very wrapped up and they're like, oh my God, she's dating somebody else now.
We're very appreciative of you because we're so invested in you. It's the gift that keeps giving.
Yeah. But I think it's just funny because I can go on a date and it just be a date.
It doesn't have to be like, oh, we're getting married or I can date people and it not work out and it doesn't mean that there's anything wrong with me or anything wrong with him. Absolutely.
I just wanted to put that out there because I know people get very invested in this and they're like, wow. And I get it.
Like, trust me, I want it to work out too, guys. But we go in with a level of like, our real promising stuff.
Yeah. He thanked my dogs.

Yes,

he thanked my dogs and now we are engaged.

Yes.

So we will be getting married.

Yes,

of course.

But no,

he's a really good guy

and I'm excited to

learn more about him.

And when he's on tour,

are you sending him videos

of like ways

to make your

potential relationship work?

No, because she's going on tour as well.

Yes, and I will be on the world tour

with him on the tour bus.

There is no tour bus.

When do we get to meet him?

There is a plane.

There is a plane, a tour plane.

A jet.

When do we get to meet him?

Yeah, so if it all goes well,

Do you think...

Initiation process?

Let me ask you this.

Through Nick. Let me ask you this.
Yeah, I know, right this based on how you feel where things stand now not to put what are our chances that we actually meet this guy I would say 50-50 okay at the moment that's not bad they're pretty good odds pretty good 50-50 is pretty good that's pretty good like would he want to like double date with us, maybe? Yeah, for sure he would. Definitely.
He's, yeah, I met him through a mutual friend, and her husband is in the same field. Field.
Profession, if you will. Career.
And career path. Yes, of course.
And so she, it's so funny. They, like, were hanging out, and he was was playing with her baby and she was like immediately for some reason she like thought about me and she was like she messaged him after he left her house and she's like you're a really great guy I love the way that you like hung out with my daughter and you were so good with her and I have like a friend that I really really want you to meet I think you'd really like her and this was was before she even told me.
And he was like, yeah, I would love to. They talked about me.
And then she ended up telling me afterwards and she was like, I had a really great conversation with Lank and I think you guys would be really great for each other. And I think you guys should hang out.
And it was really sweet that she like immediately thought about me, you know, all because he was like really good with her daughter. Well, we should send him videos of you playing with River.
River. She's also really good.
She's curious. She's going to be a great mom one day.
If you're wondering. Just in case you're wondering.
No, it's like no context. No context.
It's like me and River. And I'm like's like hey so whose kid is this like do you have a kid well are you i'm very excited for you there's nobody i'm rooting for more in love life than you i feel like you deserve more than you could actually want for yourself you deserve more than that and i'm excited to meet this person and vet yes and give them the whole like if you yeah yeah yeah yeah I won't do that.
Aw you guys are sweet. And then we'll see you tomorrow.
Yeah. And then.
Don't for sure. Yeah no.
Because the people are going to be like I'm tuning back in Victoria. Yes no I'll be here.
I'm like tied behind my back like my hands are like Alright well I think that'll wrap wrap it up today for this episode thank you for listening don't forget tomorrow's episode with victoria will also be a reality recap we'll talk a little sevenths a little right white lotus we'll try to see if we can get screeners for uh housewives beverly hills either way it's gonna be a fun wacky episode and then also natalie from temptation island will be zooming in and then on thursday which may or may not be related to that guest uh it i'm very excited very happy for what you guys are going to witness in in here or watch probably you're going to want to watch and listen all of the above all of the of the above. That is Thursday, a special episode of Going Deeper.

Tell all your friends,

really can't wait for you

to be the next Bachelorette.

I'm putting it out there in the universe.

Thank you.

I think it would be-

Well, if this relationship-

Oh, yeah, there's that.

Well, I mean, listen,

you got to live your life.

I do, and I will.

I mean, it's on pause.

We didn't even, like,

I mean, right now it's just a fantasy,

but if he stops loving kids and he starts hating your dogs and like he just, let's be honest, like starts sucking at his job. Yeah.
Well, then we might have to renegotiate. Yeah.
Right. If it comes back in the fold, I know that they're going to want to revamp.
They're going to have to, they're going to want to put a polish on that pig because god knows it needs some polishing work um i think they would do themselves a great service by hiring you as the next betra i think it'd be awesome i just think it would be so fucking good thank you nick you can't you can't help but be excellent television i said that with love he's like the biggest advocate for this he is he hasn't shut up about it i will say i, I talked to some people who I think are important in this decision-making process and I was just like pitching you hard and they were, they were listening. They were listening.
And they were listening. And I just think it will be awesome.
Like they need to do something and I don't think they, I don't think they just bring in some rando like celebrity. I just, no one, you know, it's like, there's something about this fan base.
We need to, it's been successful before. It can be successful again.
It's all about the strength of the lead. I agree.
And, as the unofficial bachelor fan of this podcast, I agree that that would be incredible TV. Thank you.
Excuse you, what? I am, but also I'm a different human now.

So it would be an even more iconic.

She's still inside.

She's there.

She's there.

Deep, deep down.

All right, see you tomorrow.

Bye, thanks for listening.