E903 Going Deeper with Barbie Ferreira

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Speaker 3 Wait, you worked on Unpregnant

Speaker 3 with Shug.

Speaker 3 She's like a family friend, Sugarlyn Beard.

Speaker 1 She like watches our daughter. She's just amazing voice.

Speaker 3 No, she's she's Miss Rachel.

Speaker 1 Like all of our friends, like, oh, does like your daughter watch Miss Rachel?

Speaker 3 I'm like, we have the Miss Rachel in person.

Speaker 1 Real life Miss Rachel. Real life Miss Rachel.
Oh, I've known Shug for 10 years. I love her character in it, too.
She's like, it's chilling. She's like, she's like a crazy lady.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's so funny because she's so the opposite of it, but she's so cool.

Speaker 1 Oh, I'm pregnant. It was so cool.
It was my first movie. Really? Really? It was in New Mexico, baby.
Albuquerque. Albuquerque.

Speaker 2 I've been in New Mexico once.

Speaker 1 Ben, you got your Do Not Disturb on your phone. Henny.
What's crazy is that people, no matter how much you tell them to silence their phone, because I did a play and every night,

Speaker 1 every single show. Yep.
There would be a phone going off. Every single show.
Are you serious? Every single show.

Speaker 1 I also think that people, like some people are just like not really in tune with their i think it's a lot of like the older folks yeah yeah yeah like no it's been off for years nowadays with me i feel like my phone just decides to go and do not disturb yeah and then you just assume it's always on do not disturb and then and then you don't i love a do not disturb oh obsessed dnd baby

Speaker 3 i'm always like notify anyway notify notify anyway

Speaker 1 i used to and my friend did that the other day when i was like in rehearsal and i got so mad at her and i did it so many times i was like being such a hypocrite i was like why would you do that she's like that's all you do does it actually like notify like does it like ding it was like ding ding I was like I was like sorry everyone sorry

Speaker 1 did not know and I was under not disturbed how about that yeah a lot of people literally every single show was that and then some people had like really um like crazy ringtones which I didn't know was still in in 2025 and it would just be like a song playing or like the Star Wars theme I used to wake up to a sound tone of uh Tommy Boy with Chris Farley okay uh when David Spey was knocking on oh my god that's not like that was your alarm sound?

Speaker 2 That was my alarm sound. And it was like just a really weird thing.

Speaker 1 But everything that you have as an alarm sound becomes like a horrible

Speaker 2 memory where you're just like, ah, you know, but like back in the day when it came out, you're like, oh my God,

Speaker 1 this is so cool. I know.
I want to bring back ringtones, actually. Now that I think about it, I'm like, why not? Bring back tones.
Bring back tones. Bring back tones.

Speaker 2 I was a psychopath that had the default setting on my screensaver until my wife.

Speaker 1 Oh, man. What is it now?

Speaker 2 Now it's my family.

Speaker 1 Okay, cool. That's usually what it's for.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Or your bad. It was like it was like the raindrops for so long.

Speaker 3 I'm like, okay.

Speaker 1 I thought it was cool. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You don't like to have like a little aesthetic on anything? I, you know, I just didn't think about it. You didn't think about it.
You know, that's what wives are for. Sometimes I forget.

Speaker 1 Truly, it's what wives are. What wives are for? They're there to like, you know, spice up the aesthetic of everything.

Speaker 2 Yeah, all men kind of a little psychopathy without a lady by their side. I agree.
Just a little rough around the edges.

Speaker 1 Just a little, they just need a little bit of help. Yeah.
It's like, why would you do that?

Speaker 2 You know?

Speaker 2 why would you do that yeah i feel that barbie how are you welcome to the show good thank you for having me we're so excited to be with you absolutely love the movie bob trevino likes it it's awesome i mean it was i cried several times oh mostly like happy tears obviously it's an emotional film you know there's movies now and then that you watch that kind of really make you especially in the times that we live in today, just like sometimes through sadness, you know, but like, I think we're just living in this world where we're just constantly focused on ourselves and what we need and in our own world.

Speaker 2 And it's easy to think about how life gets us down.

Speaker 2 And I think, you know, Bob Trevino likes it about, you know, Lily and the character who, you know, really had no one, you know, and then this bond between these characters makes you appreciate, you know, makes you, it reminds you that you sometimes have to look up a little bit, you know, and see maybe people in need and things like that.

Speaker 2 You know, like one thing Natalie really helped me with when I, when we met, is like, you know, I could be on my phone in my own world.

Speaker 2 It just like Natalie would always say hi to a cashier greeter or a barrester and things like that, you know, yeah, which I've gotten better at.

Speaker 2 But like, I feel like this movie, in a weird way, kind of just reminds you to like connect with people. Yeah.
You know, but it was, it's just such a beautiful movie.

Speaker 1 Thank you so much. I totally agree with you.

Speaker 1 I think the lots of like the reactions I've been getting and reading about people's reactions has been like kind of like, it's so confronting about like kindness.

Speaker 1 It's like it's exposure therapy to to kindness was one of like the comments i read and i was like that's so true it's like i feel like this movie really is so hopeful and yet so dark but so uplifting i just feel like people don't really make stuff like that anymore it's usually like something fancy like with a camera trick and like yeah cool clothes and all that stuff so it's just like um this film really meant a lot to me i mean obviously for personal reasons but i think for people who are watching it it's really cool to see the reactions and i know tracy who's like the director and writer she's been doing like her little tour around the whole country and i mean outside of the country too for all these like kind of mini film festivals and really hearing from people.

Speaker 1 And it's just been so sweet. It's like, it's really cool to be part of something that makes people really emotional.

Speaker 1 I feel like I don't even know, you know, the things that my friend, when my friends watch it, I didn't even know that they would have that reaction.

Speaker 2 Yeah, no, it's an emotional film, but very uplifting. And obviously peaks and valleys of some sadness, but it always, it has a very inspirational movie.
I mean, it was really touching. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And like you said, don't, you don't see a lot of films nowadays like that.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I think it's really radical to do a movie that is like genuinely just about being nice.

Speaker 1 I'm like, truly, you know, I feel like we live in like a world where we're very critical about ourselves, about other people.

Speaker 1 And Tracy's voice in this movie is just, I remember she, we even had like a line that we were like, was like a small character and it wasn't even mean or anything, but it was like a slight joke because she was like, I don't want to make fun of anyone in this movie.

Speaker 1 Like she just has such a like, like a sweet heart. And like her voice just like radiates through the film.

Speaker 1 And it's just like, it's such a, like, it's a warm hug and also like really like stays with you. I mean, I, I, gosh, I had to actually do it.
So it was like two months after, I was like, oh my God,

Speaker 1 how am I going to recover from this? So it's so cool that people like it. I mean, we did it for like so little money.
in Kentucky, very tiny crew, very, very tiny.

Speaker 1 And everyone just tried to make it happen. And we did, which is honestly a miracle.

Speaker 3 What connected you and drew you to playing Lily Trevino?

Speaker 1 Well, when I read the script two years ago, I just felt so connected because I have like my own father issues. Like I don't have a father in my life.
Yeah. I mean, turns out

Speaker 1 a lot of people have problems with their fathers. You know, and I kind of, I spent a lot of my childhood just kind of ignoring it.

Speaker 1 Like it was like kind of this like elephant in the room that I had, like this father that like I just don't talk about. And he was in my life till I was like seven.

Speaker 1 And then he just like did, you know, kind of dipped and left the country. In fact, nice right

Speaker 1 yeah why not so you know for me it this was like a when i started doing therapy when i was like 18 19 i went in for other reasons and i kind of was like well my childhood like who cares you know it's all about like what like 18 19 whatever my problems were then which is probably like you know dating and and being in new york and being insane and you know and i remember she really like made me talk about my childhood and i just didn't really think it connected to any of it.

Speaker 1 And so when I did, I was like, oh my God, my father actually, like this like emptiness in my life actually really affects me every day without me knowing. It's like very subconscious.

Speaker 1 So for me, when I started talking to Tracy, we just had very similar situations happen. Obviously, like the father in the movie is a bit different than mine.
Mine wasn't even there.

Speaker 1 So at least he was there. Shout out for lunches.
I guess. Yeah.
I don't know if that's much, if it's

Speaker 1 what's better or worse, but you know, it's just felt really deep to me. Like I connected so much with it.
And then my manager read it. He connected with it.

Speaker 1 And I feel like everyone who's seen it, who has like this like family trauma of any kind really connects.

Speaker 1 And even people who who don't, you know, they're like, there's been some reactions like, who would ever do this to their kid? I'm like, you clearly are blessed.

Speaker 2 Sadly, sadly too many to you.

Speaker 1 Sadly, too many. I mean, anyone can be a parent.
I mean, that's, you know, if you want, you know, and so there, it's just, yeah, that, that, the script really.

Speaker 1 And I felt for Lily, because even though I have gone through things with her, I frings like hers, you know, she's so different than me in a lot of ways.

Speaker 1 And it was such a cool character to play that was outside of what I usually do, you know, playing like goth girl, which I I always love doing, but it was just like, it was just, I can't believe Tracy even saw that character from my previous work, you know, it was like, it was, because this movie has like very little, if any, like, um,

Speaker 1 sex or, you know, any of that kind of like shocking kind of like, you know, whatever it is, but it was just really cool.

Speaker 2 It was cool.

Speaker 2 I think to your point, a lot of times when you have like a complex character, and obviously Lily is, there's always like this, you know, like the good angel, dark angel, kind of like, there's always like, what's behind the curtain where Lily was like this unbelievably emotionally resilient, uplifted person.

Speaker 2 All these scenes were like, you would expect like this absolute crash, you know, from her, but she just kept finding new ways to like pick herself back up, which was like really inspiring.

Speaker 2 But also like how when you're performing and playing a character like that, there are just a lot of heavy scenes

Speaker 2 where you really had to. give, you know, emotionally.
Like, how do you do stuff like that? Was that taxing on you emotionally?

Speaker 2 You know, as an actor, are you able to dip in and dip out of these characters? Do you have to kind of sit in it?

Speaker 2 You know, if you're doing one of these scenes that maybe might require a few takes and things like that, like what is that like? And how do you perform?

Speaker 2 Because it truly, like, a beautiful performance. You really believe it.
I'm always like, you know, you want to hug your character.

Speaker 2 But how do you do that? You know, it's.

Speaker 1 I think every character is super different. I think with Lily, and also like I'm a new actor.
So every time I do a project, I really learn so much about myself.

Speaker 1 And with Bob Trevino specifically, I think I just, when I'm doing character, I, for the two months that I'm somewhere like Kentucky or Louisiana or New Mexico, it's just, I really do unintentionally start really dropping into the character, even outside of being there, just because you're living in the place, you're there isolated, you're really in like the workflow.

Speaker 1 For this one specifically, I had to like really

Speaker 1 find the boundaries of like, you know, because I like to like talk to everyone all the time. And that's totally great when it's just like a normal scene.

Speaker 1 And, but when you have to really like go deep and kind of get into the darker parts, you know, you have to really isolate.

Speaker 1 I remember I'd find like little like closets in all the locations to just like sit in. Sure.

Speaker 1 You know, I won't spoil it, but there was like one location that there was like a little phone booth and it was literally like tiny.

Speaker 1 And I was just sitting there for like 20 minutes, like listening to sad music because I had to do like a pretty intense scene. But, you know, after I'm done with the scene, it.

Speaker 1 It actually like leaves me. I think a lot of people sometimes can't get out of it, but it almost feels like an adrenaline like rush after because you're like, okay, this was like on my mind.

Speaker 1 Like I really wanted to do this justice. And then I can just like, you know, and then when I'm done, I'm like, okay, we did it.

Speaker 1 You know, and if I'm proud of it, I mean, most of the time, I don't even know what I did. You know what I mean? I'm like, at the point, I'm like, I hope it was fine.
And, you know,

Speaker 1 you literally black out. And I was like, I just trust the director to tell me if it was good or not.
But this one was, it did hit deep.

Speaker 1 And like, I feel like it was like a tough summer for me in general. And doing the movie was actually.

Speaker 1 pretty therapeutic i think and you know it was like untangling a lot of the stuff inside of me and the whole crew and cast, you like the things that you learn from people when you watch something like this or you like are working on something like this.

Speaker 1 It's like, you know, everyone was there with us. It was so sweet.
It was really like the sweetest like experience of my life. It was very healing.

Speaker 3 I was about to say, I'm sure it's like, you probably didn't realize it or know that that would happen going into it, but like healing your younger self from like what you experienced from your dad through like playing this whole character and like, building this bond with this guy.

Speaker 3 It's like, I feel like that was incredibly healing for you just as like your inner child.

Speaker 1 absolutely and i speaking of the inner child i feel like when i approached this role i felt like it was like lily is the inner child you know there was something about her that was just so young and like there's like this like sweet night like naive that naivete i don't know how to say it but you know it was just like a very it feels like every because she has so much unresolved trauma it's like the inner child is like the forefront of it.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So that's why I feel like, you know, in the scenes where things, when she like balled it up so much and then she exploded, it was like, you know, the kid inside like really was the motivating or the, the thing I kept thinking of is like, what is the little, the little Lily like thinking?

Speaker 1 And where does that like put her in it? And that's why like some of the scenes, like it's at the surface, it might not be very, you know, emotional.

Speaker 1 But then when Lily is in it, it's stuff that she can't even like process consciously, you know? And I think that that's, for, that was part of my whole thing in general growing up.

Speaker 1 So I didn't know what, what an inner child was.

Speaker 1 And then once I started doing therapy and like really like caring about myself, and I think that's what what Lily, you know, that's her journey in this movie, then I really realized what that meant and how that informs everything that you do in your life.

Speaker 1 So, I think this is like the first chapter of her vibes.

Speaker 2 The scene, not to give too much away, were Lily's therapist cries.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 2 I saw an interview, you mentioned that your first therapy session.

Speaker 1 Not my first, but I've had therapists cry. You've made a therapist cry.
I have. Okay.
And it was very awkward.

Speaker 2 You're like, was that in the script originally? Or

Speaker 1 it happened to Tracy as well. Okay.
So we have like a lot, like, you know, and I didn't think this was a common thing. I thought, like, maybe this therapist was just like a fluke or something.

Speaker 1 And just like, really, like, but it happened with Tracy. And when we talked, I was like, oh my gosh, this is crazy.
I guess this happens to not just me.

Speaker 1 But yeah, it definitely happened pretty recently, actually. Wow.
Yeah, a couple years ago. How did you deal with something like that?

Speaker 1 I was just like, ha ha.

Speaker 1 Because in the movie.

Speaker 3 And how does that make you feel?

Speaker 1 Does that make you feel bad? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, how's your inner child feeling? Yeah, how's your inner child? I think it was our first session ever, too. So I was like, okay, you know, therapist, you got to, you got to date.

Speaker 1 You know, I have this great therapist in New York who I love. And she was such a wonderful person in my life.
And, you know, when I moved to LA six years ago, I've still been, you know.

Speaker 1 dating therapists here and there. I haven't found, I mean, I have a good one that I like, but it's just like, I haven't found the one that I'm like, oh, this is the person.

Speaker 1 And maybe this is the one that I have right now is the person, but it's like, it feels like dating.

Speaker 2 No, it very much is. And I always remind people, too, it's just like, you know, not all doctors are created equal.
Not all mechanics are dating

Speaker 2 equal or a therapist. And, you know, like, because therapy has become in the best possible way so normalized.
Yeah. Now there's kind of this increase of, you know, new therapists.

Speaker 2 And you have to weed through.

Speaker 1 You got to find someone who speaks your language too, who understands your, like.

Speaker 1 your life.

Speaker 2 Or also you do have to kind of check in with yourself, just like in dating where, you know, we, we have a format, it's called ASNIC. People call in and ask like relationship questions.

Speaker 2 I'm always like, I'm not a therapist, but here's what I think. And lots of times the, you know, the people who call in are in therapy.
I'm like, well, what does your therapist think about this?

Speaker 2 And sometimes it's just like, well, we've been talking about this for like two years. And it's just like, well.

Speaker 2 I'm not here to tell you not to like. Yeah.
But like, have you made progress?

Speaker 1 Or like, have you changed?

Speaker 2 You know, like, have they asked you this or that? And, you know, and like, sometimes you have to ask, like, where have I gotten with this topic? Or why haven't I explored something else?

Speaker 2 Because like, you know, it is nice to talk about your feelings, but like sometimes you don't have the progress.

Speaker 2 Yeah, when you have friends, you know, like I used to be that person when I was going through heartbreaks where I would just like, I would find that one or two person in my life, that friend.

Speaker 2 It was usually like a woman friend. Sometimes it was like a coworker who like, there was a bit of a disconnect where I felt like I could just like unload my, you know, emotions on this.

Speaker 2 And they were just like, you know,

Speaker 2 they'd love to hear it. It'd be great.
And then I would like exhaust them and I would find someone else to like also, you know, but there was.

Speaker 1 This is so funny funny that humans just do this. And they were always like, Why are we so weird? I'm like, everyone does this.

Speaker 1 Like, there's no progress.

Speaker 2 There's no, like, you just kind of start, you re, you forget.

Speaker 2 And I think sometimes even with therapy, if you don't have a good therapist, you can become connected to talking about the pain that you're experiencing with, or like that becomes familiar, especially like heartbreak.

Speaker 2 You know, I always tell people just be careful because like sometimes missing them and

Speaker 2 wishing you're with them is that last part of the relationship you have to let go.

Speaker 2 Because like, you know, when you really think it's over, that's the scary part. So you hold on to the pain because that's the thing that you have left.

Speaker 2 And like sometimes a therapist who maybe isn't as good as they could be or you're not connecting with can, you know, keep you in that.

Speaker 1 Keep you in that. And because there's so many different kinds of therapy.
And I've tried a lot of different ones.

Speaker 1 And, you know, it's like some things are just, there's some kind of therapy where you just talk and they say nothing. You know, they're like just talk therapy.
There's like CBT.

Speaker 1 There's like so many different kinds. And, you know, it's interesting interesting because people always just like a vague statement.

Speaker 1 It's just like, go to therapy, you know, and it's like, well, we got to educate people on like what kind of help they might want or what works for them.

Speaker 1 And, you know, trust me, I've had some bad therapists. Okay.
And I'm like, how are you? Yeah. A professional.
I'm scared.

Speaker 1 I'm scared. You know, so it's like, it's interesting because it's, you know, it's people.
At the end of the day, you know, this human error and everything.

Speaker 1 And I think, you know, with this scene, it was, it was so funny because when I, when I read it, I was like, this is no, no way this is in the script because this just happened to me.

Speaker 1 Like literally at the time, it must have been like very recently, too.

Speaker 1 So I was just like, oh, this is the, the world, the universe telling me to do this movie because it's like yearly, like similar to

Speaker 2 therapy, like what is something that you've kind of learned about yourself for the better?

Speaker 2 You know, where, you know, we've talked about obviously that, maybe the challenges of therapy, but what's something maybe that when you've kind of discovered the whole idea of your inner child, I mean, I learned that the first time I, you know, I started in therapy when I was in COVID and it was more like, I advocate for therapy.

Speaker 2 I'm doing okay, but like, you know, sitting at home, might as well. Why not? You know, I felt like generally pretty good.
It wasn't like, you know, life is dark, you know.

Speaker 2 And then the first session, it was like, how many brothers and sisters do you have? Tell me about your parents, all this.

Speaker 2 And just kind of just, and I had a generally great childhood, but like just understanding the premise of that, you know, and why we do what we do, why we maybe sit in our emotions, why we act a certain way, you know, and then as you get older, you do like, as I get older, at least, it's like that, uh, what's that commercial?

Speaker 2 You grow up to be your parents and things like that, where it's just like

Speaker 2 every once in a while I have this like feeling where I'm like, When did I become my dad?

Speaker 2 And then you learn about that, and you, then, then you became more self-aware about like your triggers and like how your parents reacted to you.

Speaker 2 And you're like, holy shit, you know, and so what did you learn about yourself through kind of diving into therapy?

Speaker 1 Gosh, I learned so much. I think I used to do therapy when I was a kid, but but it was, I grew up in like a very like low income family.
So it wasn't the best.

Speaker 1 It was kind of, you know, what my insurance could cover. And it was, you know, it did the job, I guess.
But when I started doing therapy as an adult, I used to just think I was crazy.

Speaker 1 And I think that that's, or I'm the problem. And I think that a lot of people just assume that.
Like, oh, no, it's just me. Like I just attract this kind of like negativity in my life.

Speaker 1 And what I really started really deeply understanding is that everything, all my reactions, it is my responsibility to like fix it, but it's not my fault, you know, and I think that that's really, and I remember like the first time, like the first few sessions of this, you know, my therapist was like, there's like stages to this.

Speaker 1 You're going to get really angry at the people you grew up with and then you're going to like, you know, accept it and then you're going to forgive that, you know, there's like, or that's like kind of like what happens.

Speaker 1 Like you start getting angry. You're like, why did you do this to me?

Speaker 1 And then, you know, I think through all these years, what I've realized is like, we all are doing our best, but that doesn't mean that it was good.

Speaker 1 That does not mean it was good.

Speaker 1 And accepting both those truths at the same time, like I don't, you know, I was raised by my mom, my grandma, they're incredibly great people, love them, but I can also accept that like the childhood wasn't

Speaker 1 great.

Speaker 3 I think I've gotten to a place where it's like, I'm able to look at my dad and the relationship that he's able to have with his children and be like, you know, that's the best that you can do.

Speaker 3 Like, you, you don't have a dad bone in your body, but like, that you're doing the best you can, you know, and like, honestly, I just stopped expecting dad things from him. And like, it's fine now.

Speaker 2 You know, sometimes you imagine like a parent getting off the phone, you know, and thinking, I was, I was a good parent there. And the kid on the other end of the phone being like, that was horrible.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 You know, and like, you know, sometimes there is, there's a disconnect.

Speaker 2 And like, I've had to learn as I've gotten older, like the difference between, I think sometimes we're afraid to empathize with people we don't understand or we're in conflict with because we feel like empathizing with them is like justifying their actions.

Speaker 2 Yeah. But like sometimes you can learn how to empathize, not to justify, explain, or like let them off the hook, but at least like just understand where they're coming from.
You know, just to know.

Speaker 2 It's just feeling to know that.

Speaker 1 It's like, and of course, there's some people who it is an ill-intentioned malice in their heart, of course.

Speaker 1 And, you know, one can debate that, but it's good to understand that generationally, things are just, you know, everyone is just trying to do a little bit better than the last.

Speaker 1 And I always said that, I'm like, well, my mom grew up in Brazil and she was like in a tiny town. And like, you know, all these things.

Speaker 1 She was, you know, it was, it was bad, you know, and then my, I'm like, I'm, I grew up in New York. I lives in Jersey.
I like went to a high school in America.

Speaker 1 Like, you know, so for me, it was a kind of like, I almost like, um, didn't even think of any of the problems because I was like, well, it's much better than how my mom grew up.

Speaker 3 And it's also like, I bet your mom didn't get therapy at 18, 19, 20, 20, you know, like my mom didn't either. And so now I look at the issues that we're having.

Speaker 3 And it's like, you know, if you were able. to have like gone back and gotten therapy and like healed this, then maybe we wouldn't be having these types of issues.

Speaker 3 But it's like you have to get down to like their level and be like, okay, you haven't unlocked like this part of you yet. That's why like we have these issues.

Speaker 1 Absolutely. My mom started doing therapy, I think like, must have been like 20 years ago at this point, you know? And what's funny is also my mom had me at 21.
Okay. So we grew up together.

Speaker 1 I'm the only child. She's 21 and really like, you know, really trying to make it work with having a child and being like an immigrant.
So I have so much empathy for her for that.

Speaker 1 And also I think like in Brazilian Brazilian culture, it's always just like you, you know, I've always heard of like the stories of my grandma used to like beat my mom up, you know, and like, ha ha ha ha, that's funny.

Speaker 1 And like, that's totally normal. And like all these, like culturally, it was just completely different.
So like trying to connect with my family.

Speaker 1 And some people, like my mom, will go to therapy and it's great. And then some other people, you just kind of have to realize that they.
are gonna do what they want to do.

Speaker 1 There is just nothing you can do about it. And that's really the hard part is like letting go of like the control that you have with your family.

Speaker 1 and it's like i can't help you if you don't want to be helped and i just have to watch you kind of destroy everything you know it's it's it's sad but there's something you know i'm like 28 now and i i know if i were to call my mom about something and my mom is a funny amazing person she's so hilarious and if i call her if i you know need stitches or something she's gonna freak out Yeah, I'm not, she's not the one that I need to call first.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You know, and no matter what, like I'm 28.

Speaker 2 Like at this point, I know that like, if there's like a problem like that, like she's going to be screaming on the other side of the phone on the plane, you know, and i can just like relax yeah so i i know where to get calm like i know where to go like i have my friends i have my my family i know who's the strengths of everyone and i don't expect anyone to do something that's radically different than what they are because i'm only gonna get disappointed right i'm like it's just not gonna happen yeah so much about this movie is like kind of that almost like a second storyline almost or theme maybe is a better word for is like the found family you know yeah and you know sadly for people who don't have a healthy relationship with, you know, their parents or relatives, obviously a lot of people in the LGBTQ community like will have to, you know, feel like maybe their family isn't it for them.

Speaker 2 And what's that like for you? Do you have like a found family in NLA? And who are those people that you've really connected with and made like a new community with?

Speaker 1 Absolutely. So I have a really small family because

Speaker 1 my whole family is Brazilian except for me. And so my mom and my grandma and my aunt lived here in the U.S.

Speaker 1 So it was only three people out of like, you know, cousins and siblings of not my siblings, but, you know, everyone. So we always had like chosen family.

Speaker 1 Like every Christmas, every Thanksgiving, it would be like 60 Brazilians who they can't go back home.

Speaker 1 And so even like the last Thanksgiving, I went to my mom's house and there were literally like 100 people there. And it's people that I grew up with who are like family.

Speaker 1 But, you know, we're not in Brazil. So we can't see our extended family.
So we have like an extended family in the, within the family, within Brazilians in like the New York area. Right.

Speaker 1 And so my mom is really far away. And my grandma moved back to Brazil.
My aunt's in Florida. So I really, you know, it's a very sparse family in the States.

Speaker 1 So for me, I mean, I have like my best friends. I have people that I really lean on.
And every time I have like a family thing, it's like my friends also come because they mean that much to me.

Speaker 1 And my mom also has that too, where it's like, we just value friendship a lot. And that's really important to me.
And I think is not like instilled in everyone.

Speaker 1 Like people think that like they're, I think, can only be like really close with like their family or their partners and they can't have this like really close, like platonic bond, you know and so for me it's i i've always grew up with people who weren't blood like related but were like family and i would call them chia and she was always like aunt and uncle and like you know and these are people that have known me my whole life too so i think chosen family is especially if their family's not here if the family is not accepted i know tons of people who like you know we celebrate holidays together because you know they might or they might come to my my family's holidays and you know be part of that because they don't have that so i think chosen family is really important and I think it's not valued as much.

Speaker 1 And, you know, for me, friendship has always been like number one.

Speaker 3 What is like traits or qualities that you think keep a friendship like lasting? Like, how, how do you think you've made these friendships last so long?

Speaker 1 Oh, gosh, a lot of my friends are like people I've been friends with for a long, long time. I think making fun of each other.
I do have my best friend Ben, who happens to be in the room right there.

Speaker 1 Hey, girl.

Speaker 1 He comes everywhere with me.

Speaker 1 But, you know, I think having like laughing, being there, like loyalty, you know, we all support each other to the max. We make fun of each other like in a playful way.

Speaker 1 We like keep it just, you know, it's like family. It's like having siblings, you know, and I never had a sibling.

Speaker 1 So that's why what I assume having a sibling is like, you know, where it's like, you know, no matter what, we're there for each other. And they're, and, and.

Speaker 1 it's really, I think, important, especially since I'm far away from everyone and I have such a small, tiny little family, you know, it's

Speaker 1 all, you know, crazy, great women. It's great to have like people that I've met through my life who stick around.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Well, that stick around part is

Speaker 2 the important part because, you know, the thing about family, you know, I have 10 siblings. Okay.

Speaker 1 Opposite of me. The opposite.

Speaker 2 And I joke. I mean, getting a dog taught me something.
And that is the difference between unconditional love and unconditional like.

Speaker 1 Ooh, okay.

Speaker 2 You know, where I was like, oh, I don't, my parents, they don't unconditionally like me. You know, like.

Speaker 1 They unconditionally love me. Like, like and love very differently.

Speaker 2 Right. Like my dogs, everything I do is awesome to them.
And my parents, it's just like, sometimes you're an asshole kind of thing. Right.

Speaker 2 And that's the nice thing about family is that you can just know,

Speaker 2 even though there's a disconnect or maybe your guys are bumping personalities that for a lot of people, not always, because obviously sometimes like with Lily's character,

Speaker 2 it's very dark, but you just. You feel that sense of like, I have a community.
I have people.

Speaker 2 And with friendships, I think sometimes people struggle with because especially like LA is a perfect perfect example. A lot of transplants, a lot of people trying to make friends.

Speaker 2 People will start hanging out. They'll connect.
They'll have fun. But then as you guys get to know each other, you see some of the cracks in each other.

Speaker 2 People make bad decisions. People make mistakes.
And then sometimes instead of sticking around, there's more of a like, I don't want anything to do with this.

Speaker 1 The LA flakiness happens to all sorts of things.

Speaker 2 And then people really have to kind of go through those trial and error periods with friendships because like, you know, I always say like everyone calls himself loyal it's like one of those things where people will say you know look no one's like yeah i'm not loyal

Speaker 2 person but the truth is is like a lot of people just aren't you know what i'm saying a lot of people aren't like they're loyal to the degree that like as long as they their needs are served in a relationship they're good to go but when things get tough when someone's down bad and maybe they're down bad because of their own choices and mistakes you know but like the friends who may stick around have a tough conversation maybe maybe it's like hey hey, you know, you kind of.

Speaker 1 Friendship is all about tough conversations.

Speaker 2 Right, you know, so, but like that stick around part is always really important. And I, yeah, it's just like I've, people love to call themselves loyal.
And

Speaker 1 we got to put them to the loyalty test. Yeah.
We got to push them.

Speaker 1 We got to, we got to test them. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, I feel like I totally agree with you because I've been living in LA for six years and almost all my friends are from are people that I met in New York, which is also a very similar kind of vibe, you know, but maybe like, you know, instead of Hollywood, it's more like fashion and like art.

Speaker 1 but it's like you know people are there for their own interests and i grew up in new york and jersey and all my friends are people that i've known for so long and i rarely have people and i meet people that are great all the time but having that like friendship where you can have some conversations you can like read your friends and just be like you need to get it together or i need to get it together i'm in a horrible like place right now and they're understanding and it's not just like um putting a bandaid over it but like continue it's like having a relationship it's like almost i mean to me my friendships are way deeper than the relationships I've had just because they've been longer and they've been, I guess, like the trials that we've, it's been tested more, you know?

Speaker 1 And I just think it's incredibly important because especially now people feel so lonely. And I mean, Lily's a great example of just like loneliness and just like people aren't interacting as much.

Speaker 1 They're not going outside as much. They're not like connecting with people.
And it's.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's been happening slowly for, you know, a while now, but it's just, I think a lot of people just feel really lonely and it's causing a lot of problems, actually, like, uh, like major issues.

Speaker 2 Yeah, 100%.

Speaker 1 Major issue.

Speaker 2 You're gonna need to get outside, say hi, put them, you know, get out of their comfort zone, interact with people. You know, people are always like, how do I meet new people?

Speaker 2 It's like, well, you have to go out.

Speaker 1 You have to actually go outside. Yeah.
I feel myself that all the time. I'm like, I can't just be at home all day.

Speaker 1 Like, I have to, if I want to, you know, see the sunshine and talk to people, like, I have to actually go out the front door. And making an effort is hard.

Speaker 1 I mean, you know, and I'm trying to get better at it.

Speaker 1 I think one of my New Year's resolutions this year is to like make sure that I'm not missing like my friend's birthdays for no reason or, you know, making a concerted effort to be there for the people that I love, even if it's at like, if it, if it's harder to do, even if I have to make it work, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 So I just think that that's really important because I would, whatever I expect people to do for me, you know, I want to give back to the people I love.

Speaker 1 And it's, you know, it seems kind of silly to be like, I should be a good friend too, but it's just like, you know, I think that I just like in checking myself and being like, okay, like sometimes I'm an actor.

Speaker 1 Like that's, we all are like always like just thinking about ourselves. Like, that's like really what you do all day.
You're like, huh, you know, it's a very crazy industry.

Speaker 1 And I, and I, and I don't want to like take up all the space in conversations and stuff, especially when I'm frustrated. It's like feels like I can ruminate on something over and over again.

Speaker 1 So just being a good friend and also just being honest, like if something goes wrong, I just am like, listen, this is what is happening with me.

Speaker 1 It has nothing to do with you, or it does have something to do with you. And, you know, I hope you forgive me, but I just need a second because I'm going crazy.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And that's what, like, that subtlety in this movie kind of shows that kind of, like, that balance between, again, like the climate that we're in today, right? Like, the awareness of therapy.

Speaker 2 And again, there's that, that balance between understanding your childhood, understanding your trauma, understanding what happened and how that relates to you, but still being able to think outside of your needs, right?

Speaker 2 Because a lot of therapy is very reflective, right? A lot of, a lot of, you know, today is

Speaker 2 understanding, you know, the generational trauma and yada yada, which I think can be great and very beneficial, but like the risk sometimes is allowing that person almost to become a little selfish and self-centered and like only focusing on what has happened to them and why they've been wronged and why they've been victimized by the people around them.

Speaker 2 And that can be both true and valid, but we have to remind ourselves that there's a whole world going on around us.

Speaker 2 You know, there's other people, our friends and strangers, like that moment in the movie where Bob's talking to his wife and he's pointing out like Lily is this like, you know,

Speaker 2 she's in the void screaming.

Speaker 1 She's screaming out the wind. I love that line.
It's so sad. It is sad.

Speaker 2 And he talks about how like, you know, she's getting no engagement and likes. And I think a lot of people in today's age would look at that and go, ew, weird.
What's wrong with her?

Speaker 1 What's wrong with her? Why is she saying like hashtag best lunch ever? Like that's so weird.

Speaker 2 I mean, there's moments in that movie where Lily is just kind of like giving a little crazy.

Speaker 1 You know, exactly.

Speaker 3 Like, stop posting so much.

Speaker 1 Why are you posting that? Why are you? You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 It's like, what I think about this movie is that it's like a really great character study on someone who is just, you know, I think for me, I'm just like shrouded in like, I'm, I'm like, so Gen Z.

Speaker 1 Like, I have it's like third voice in my head about the internet, like, what looks cool, what doesn't. And I really actively try to like combat that.

Speaker 1 And I know a lot of people feel that way where it's like, you just feel like you're just watched and judged for everything.

Speaker 1 With Lily, she's such a pure heart that, like, when you see someone be so vulnerable, it's so like affecting, especially now, I think, because we're so used to not wanting to cringe, not wanting to feel like empathy for people that like maybe we don't understand where they're coming from.

Speaker 1 And so this character was really just so interesting to me because, you know, she, there's so many people like her who are just like hungry for any kind of friendship and really lonely.

Speaker 1 And, you know, and people might make fun of her. Like, I feel like, you know, that's.

Speaker 1 I think what really is uncomfortable about it is that people might see themselves kind of in her and also in the people that are

Speaker 1 affecting her. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 It's like, it feels like, you know, you kind of have to be in your head and be like, this person is clearly like traumatized and wanting to have people around her, but, you know, I'm not used to seeing someone so, you know, excited and earnest and all this stuff.

Speaker 1 And it's like, it's almost like a little bit of like,

Speaker 1 it's very, I always say confront, it's like confronts you with it. And I totally, yeah, I totally agree with you.

Speaker 1 And it's, I think Lily just like, for me, is a very good representation of like the people that we ignore, you know, the the people that don't matter, quote unquote, on the internet.

Speaker 1 You know, we're like following influencers and people who are like living this like really fabulous life and, you know, all this stuff.

Speaker 1 And then there's this girl who's like, she's not doing like a get ready with me. She's not like, she has no idea about the algorithm or it's on Facebook.
It's like not even supposed to be.

Speaker 1 It's supposed to be for like family and friends, you know, it's like, she genuinely just wants family and friends. And it's so sweet.

Speaker 1 And I think it's, it's also people just don't think that way, you know, I just think that they're ashamed of feeling like they want people and to admit that they don't have people around them. Yeah.

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Speaker 3 I mean, you started in this industry modeling, correct? I moved to New York at 15 to pursue a modeling career, and I have nothing but like

Speaker 3 trauma and bad memories about that time in my life. How do you look back at that time in your life?

Speaker 1 Well, I think for me, I was, I started modeling when I was 16 and I worked with a lot of people that I knew. So I would like always at first.

Speaker 1 So at first it was like, you know, I did editorials with my friend Patrick Collins, who's like a great artist.

Speaker 1 And we would do like pictures of me in like a bedroom, like, you know, like very, it was a very specific look. And it was always for like art magazines and stuff.

Speaker 1 So that was always really cool because it was friends and I always shot with friends.

Speaker 1 I met people, you know, and then when I started doing it professionally, I was like 18 or so, you know, I never had like a really horrible experience like I never you know even though yeah I modeled for American Apparel which had like that whole drama which never affected me or anything but the thing that I think was really hard for me was that I felt like I just wasn't healed from I was 18 freshly 18 just got out of my mom's house all alone being flown out to like you know Germany to go do e-comm and and all that and I would go every day to like go do and I just was like alone with my thoughts for like the first time in my life like there was no mom there was no grandma There was no, like, you know, I wasn't, I was alone and I had to be my own adult.

Speaker 1 So I think that was really hard for me. I think I always was like freaking out for no reason.

Speaker 1 I mean, I was also 18, so I was like, super irresponsible. Like, there'd be times where I like lose my wallet in like London.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 And then everyone has to like try to help me get back home. And, you know, it was fun.
It was like silly. Like, I was like partying.
And like, so it was really fun.

Speaker 1 And being a full-size model was really cool because it felt like I was

Speaker 1 around people that understood.

Speaker 1 And there wasn't like that typical like, kind of pressure of like, you know, obviously being really thin or, or being particularly tall or, or, you know, all these like kind of like nitpicks that people that straight size models do.

Speaker 1 Like for me, I was like, you know, modeling for like Target and like doing just like, it was pretty fun. And I met really good people.

Speaker 1 And, you know, I think for me at the end, towards the end of my modeling career, when I was like 21, I just was kind of frustrated.

Speaker 1 I was just like, I'm kind of sick of just doing photos because I was also doing a lot of like video stuff. I had like a little vice show on Broad, like with Broadly.

Speaker 1 And I had like, and I did like a Teen Vogue thing. And I was like, I really just want, like, I feel like I, I, I've done enough of this and I feel like kind of slowing down.

Speaker 1 I don't feel like fulfilled by this anymore. And I always want to be an actor.
So I was like, I think it's time for me to invest in myself and, you know, try it out.

Speaker 3 And I mean, it's, it worked.

Speaker 1 Thank God. Yeah.
And it is taking off. And it is, I had no other plan.
So I was really like, it's either this or uh, I don't know, cashier at New Jersey shop, right?

Speaker 2 When euphoria really like took off and things exploded, was that, what was that like?

Speaker 2 You know, just kind of to go from more of a normal life of, you know, working actor to ultra famous and lovable and everyone's just like fascinated with you.

Speaker 2 Did you, was there a moment where like one day you went to bed, the next day it felt like you stepped outside?

Speaker 1 And you know, what's funny is it started, it slowly started in the beginning. And I remember Hunter and I were at a, we were having like breakfast somewhere.
This is when this is the trailer came out.

Speaker 1 And the waitress was like, oh, I saw you guys' trailer for your new HBO show. And we like freaked out.
We're like,

Speaker 1 it's out. You know, like, you know, what's funny is that like, it went by so fast that I like, it was such a whirlwind.
I don't think I was even like processing what was happening.

Speaker 1 And after like week four of it being out, I was like, okay, like this is getting like, I'm like actually like going, like, I, people are really stopping me for like on the street.

Speaker 1 And it's like, really, like, you know, and at the time I had my short hair. I like looked like my character.
You know, sometimes if I, you know, don't look like cat, like, I can get away with a lot.

Speaker 1 And I also like wore my actual glasses in the show. So I had to like change those because I just literally like I was walking around in costume.

Speaker 2 Like, ooh, hindsight's 2020, not a good idea.

Speaker 1 Yeah, not a good idea. But it was, it was amazing.
I think like I just didn't, I expected it to do well because I was like, it's Zendaya. It's like kids.

Speaker 1 Like, you know, like, it's like, you know, we're, we're all like, you know, doing, like, it just felt like new and fresh. And like, no one has ever done that.

Speaker 1 And I loved like shows like Skins, like Degrassi and like all these like teen shows, like whatever level. There's like the, the dirtier ones and like the, the kind of more like polished ones.

Speaker 1 But I always loved them.

Speaker 1 So it's really, it was really fun to be part of like the generations like teen show that like really depicted this generation and um i always want i i was hoping for that i was like the whole time i was like i want this to be like skittons i want this to be like our dirty like salacious like teen drama that like every like kid wants to watch you know and it worked it really was exactly that right and it really like and that's the thing it's just like to your point what's cool about shows like that or films or movies that you know kind of encapsulate an era if you will is that they do stand the test of time.

Speaker 2 You know, we'll go back and watch old 80s movies or 90s movies, or like I grew up, you know, when Can't Hardly Wait came out when I was in high school.

Speaker 2 And like those, especially at least for the people who grew up with them, they always hold a special place in your heart. Right.

Speaker 2 And so, like, euphoria, for a lot of people, but especially people who connected with that era, it will live on in ways that I think other shows or films don't. And that's a, that's incredible.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's, it's a privilege to have in your career, especially like the first first big, I mean, I had like a couple of things that I did before.

Speaker 1 It was very like small to have that happen really early is like, I mean, that's like what you want.

Speaker 1 You know, you, you can make so much stuff, but like, you know, and people can like it, but like, who's watching it? And Euphoria really just popped off in a way.

Speaker 1 And I didn't expect it to be like that at all. I was like, okay, this is really cool.
And it also popped off in a way that was really fun.

Speaker 1 Like, it was just like, I felt like it was merging my life of like fashion and like acting.

Speaker 1 And it was really cool because I got to like put my little outfits on and like, you know, and I was really young.

Speaker 1 So like, of course, I was like, always like insecure and like, you know, but overall, it was just, it was really cool.

Speaker 1 And I think like it just went so fast that I didn't really process it until I really had time to be like, oh my God, it was, I don't even like, I was like, that was insane. You know, that was so cool.

Speaker 3 You did play a very interesting and like sexual, powerful character. What were your original thoughts of Kat?

Speaker 1 Oh, my gosh. When I read Kat, I, I remember just, I read it.
I had no context to it. And I was like, wait a second.
This is me. I go, wait a second.
Did they just write about my life?

Speaker 1 And I was like, and I remember they, they had this like open call that was like thousands and thousands and thousands of people.

Speaker 1 And so I had an acting age at the time and I got the audition through that. But like my friends were all auditioning for it too.
And I was like, you guys have never acted? Like, what do you mean?

Speaker 1 So I'd be like, you know what I mean? Like, what are you talking about? You know, and like, I really, it like made me sick how much I wanted it. And thankfully it worked out.

Speaker 1 But it literally, like, it was months of me auditioning and just being like, please, you guys have to hear me out. And I, I mean, with cats, like sexuality, it just felt like really real.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's like the internet and like exploring sexuality through the internet. It's like obviously how people are doing it these days at first, you know?

Speaker 1 And again, it's like that loneliness thing where it's like you're trying to feel connection and doing contemporary things like this where it involves the internet is.

Speaker 1 A lot of the things I do involve, a lot of the movies I've shot that aren't even out involves the internet a lot, but it's just like contemporary things that

Speaker 1 reflect how people feel without it feeling like corny is really, I think, important because people like hate seeing phones and movies and shows and stuff. But I'm like, that's just the reality.

Speaker 1 Like, we can't make a project about 2020 without an iPhone, you know? It's like, it has to be part of it. So it's cool to find ways to

Speaker 1 make it work and cinematically.

Speaker 3 The micro penis is something that will live in my head forever.

Speaker 1 It's like, I don't think I'll ever use that at all. I know.
And I told him not to show me until we were shooting. That is so.

Speaker 1 Unless you guys are literally rolling, don't show me because I wanted to be like genuinely surprised.

Speaker 1 So the actor was like upstairs in like a fake little set that they made in like a green room. And I had like a earpiece.
I could just hear him breathing. And he was really, he was amping up.

Speaker 1 He's great. It went on.
I was literally like, ah, I didn't know.

Speaker 1 I believe that is what is in the show.

Speaker 1 It was great. That is all of our reactions.
We had a lot of prosthetic penises. A lot.

Speaker 3 A lot. Did anyone come out and say that their penis was real? Or was

Speaker 1 I don't think anyone's penis. I think, I mean, if we want to get technical, I think if the if there's an erection, I think you have to have

Speaker 1 a prosthetic penis. I think if it's not that, I think you don't have to.
But I asked this question so many times. I'm like, is that real? And I have, I have had no answer.

Speaker 1 I'm like, maybe someone here can answer this for me. Is it like, is it like the union law that, like, if it's, you know, if it's erect, you have to have a prosthetic penis?

Speaker 1 Or if, you know what I mean? I want to know. I want to know the, because everyone did have a prosthetic penis, I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 2 I will say it's a very loaded question for men.

Speaker 1 It is.

Speaker 2 There's no way to answer that without either being somewhat douchey, weird.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 2 Or, or coming across like your project, you know, there is always like, are you hiding something or are you showing? There's just no way.

Speaker 1 It's an absolute trap.

Speaker 2 It's an absolute trap.

Speaker 1 So it's just like, you just can't. You don't even mention it.
You're just like, I do wonder like if you, like, I don't know if the actors got to like choose. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Like, that's interesting for me. Like, I want to know like what the process is.
Like, is it like the character or is it like an ego thing?

Speaker 3 I feel like I saw an interview of Jacob being like, I you chose.

Speaker 3 It was like, I went in and I was like, selection.

Speaker 1 Select. I saw there was a huge selection and I picked the right one.

Speaker 2 As your point, are they choosing it because it represents them or are they choosing it because it's like, well, I would like to play something different today.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 I know. That is so interesting.
You'll never know. We will never know.
You'll never know.

Speaker 2 You had decided to leave Euphoria and talked about how you just felt like Kat, the character, her story was told. Yeah.

Speaker 2 You don't see a lot of that from actors, obviously, regardless of the success of the show, you know, and then sometimes as fans, we will watch shows where, you know, the whole jumping the shark, you know, idea, or like, you know, sometimes like for me, it's just like Dexter ended after season four.

Speaker 2 You know, it's like, we just, we don't talk about the rest, you know, and

Speaker 2 but for you to decide, regardless of what is going to happen with Euphoria,

Speaker 2 for you to decide that must have been a difficult choice. And like, how did you, how did you make that decision? And how have you felt about it since then?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think it was very mutual. So it wasn't just like my choice.
I think after having a lot of conversation and after season two, I think it just, there was just nowhere to go, you know?

Speaker 1 And I think instead of me kind of like lingering around for nine months, I think it was best for, you know, both of us that we just. kind of ended it there, you know?

Speaker 1 And I think it for me, I mean, of course it's hard. I'm like, I love Euphoria.
I love Kat. Like Like Kat means the world to me.
I mean, I spent so many years like pouring everything into her.

Speaker 1 But it's like, you know, you don't want to ruin a good thing. I think that that, and I, and it's a mutual, it was a mutual decision.
It was absolutely not just me.

Speaker 1 So it was like, you know, everyone decided that this was,

Speaker 1 there was nowhere to go. And that's hard, obviously, because I'm like, you know, what, what am I going to do? But again, with acting and like.

Speaker 1 things just things happen all the time and you just have to have thick skin and just like make the right decisions for you and your career and it was hard i was really young.

Speaker 1 And it was just, you know, it was tough. Obviously, like there was a lot of like, you know, discourse about it that wasn't true.
And I'm a person who just kind of like lets everything kind of happen.

Speaker 2 Was there anything in particular that you read that felt the most kind of offensive or egregious?

Speaker 1 There was a couple. I think most of it, I mean, people just,

Speaker 1 it's a popular show. So people like took it out of, you know, they, they, they, they, they kind of, there wasn't, like, I never like walked off set.
There was never anything like that.

Speaker 1 Like, that was like a whole thing. I was like she, like, you know, oh, I did all this.
And I was like, I absolutely never did that. You could ask like the hundreds of people that were there every day.

Speaker 1 No, fan theories. Fan theories are crazy.
And most of the time they're not right. But sometimes they are.
Sometimes they are. Sometimes they are.
Well, you know,

Speaker 1 sometimes I'm like, oh, wow.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Well, you know, you give them a hundred guesses.

Speaker 1 And at one point, you got to guess right.

Speaker 2 And, you know, I think sometimes fans, I always remind myself that fan is short for fanatic.

Speaker 2 You know, not that I don't, you want to appreciate fans, but you also, and that's why it's important for at least, you know, Nellie and I are always kind of talking where it's like, listen, like we just, we don't, it's not our business.

Speaker 2 Yeah. You know, type of thing.
Because like, and that's tough.

Speaker 2 You want to have that relationship, but you want to give them the freedom to be fans because part of being a fan is just like talking with your friends and having these theories, right?

Speaker 1 It's just fun to talk. Exactly.
They don't even believe it half the time.

Speaker 2 And like, they're not, they're not, you know, it's like that classic case of.

Speaker 2 Someone like writes something meaning your comments and then like you decided for whatever reason to like like it or respond whatever reason. And they're like, oh my God, I'm just kidding.
I love you.

Speaker 2 You're the best.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it literally has happened to me before. That's why I stopped.
I'm like, at this point, respect to everyone who like comments back and like claps back at everything. I have never been that girl.

Speaker 1 In fact, I just let it like kind of go into its own world and then fizzle out because what am I going to do? All I'm going to do is just

Speaker 1 fuel. They're not going to listen to me.
They're not going to like believe me if I say something, you know? So it's just like, I don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 They're being fans. And also, I can't read it.
You know, that's like one thing too, is a big thing. I think that's what when Euphoria came out, I was so used to being on the internet.

Speaker 1 You know, I was like, always like telling everyone like everything I was doing, like always talking to camera, you know, like just always like filling people in.

Speaker 1 And I think like my biggest sacrifice as an actor is that I don't use the internet for fun anymore, really.

Speaker 1 I mean, obviously, like I scroll through TikTok and, you know, do that, but I don't like post for like a lot of fun most of the time.

Speaker 1 You know, I just feel like it's not the same being an actor who's like in a show that's popular. Also, like, it's so internet, you know.
But I'll take it. I'm, I'm getting older.
I'm fine.

Speaker 2 Who from the cast have you stayed closest with?

Speaker 1 Well, I saw Hunter the other day. I saw Maude the other day.
Sydney came to come see my play. So, I mean, they're all so busy.
I mean, I've been out of town for like eight months. So I'm like,

Speaker 1 whenever we're in town, we always try to see each other. And they came to support the play, which was really sweet.
It was very sweet. That is nice.

Speaker 3 Sensitive subject, Angus Cloud's death. How, obviously, we saw that affect the world.

Speaker 3 How did that affect cast and you personally? I mean, yeah.

Speaker 1 Gosh, it's so hard hard for me. It's hard for me.

Speaker 1 I'm sorry. No, it's okay.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's tragic. I don't think I've ever

Speaker 1 been through anything like that. And I think we all

Speaker 1 were just really

Speaker 1 affected by it. And I mean, it just, you know, I haven't lost a lot of people.
Thank God. And so this was like just, you know, I was actually in Kentucky at the time.

Speaker 1 So I was very isolated when I heard it. And it was just

Speaker 1 a great shame. And Angus was the coolest guy, the craziest dude.
Like literally the amount of stories. I just love that.
I can cherish those moments, you know.

Speaker 1 I think about him a lot, and I just, you know,

Speaker 2 such a unique person, like you said. Oh, my gosh.
Like, his story was fascinating.

Speaker 1 Just he's, he was incredible. Like, he was a complete, like,

Speaker 1 sweetheart, like, character. Like, it's just, yeah, it's really, really tragic.
It's just, he's so young. And, you know, yeah, it's hard.

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Speaker 2 You like to cook?

Speaker 1 I do like to cook. I love to cook.

Speaker 1 I'm the cooker in the family.

Speaker 1 She's my shoot.

Speaker 1 I like to cook, and I don't like to clean.

Speaker 3 That's my problem. You know, know, I don't like either.

Speaker 1 I love to cook. I'll cook if someone else cleans.
Okay. If everyone cleans up all I would, I would love that.

Speaker 2 So we do a good job of separating chores. Oh, I love that.

Speaker 1 It's always my problem when I'm booed up.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you gotta, I've learned.

Speaker 1 It's like 90% of the relationship. Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 Young me was like, love is enough, and I can just power through anything. Dishwasher.

Speaker 2 You know, it's just like, you can have a completely different menu and we can have different tastes and everything if we love each other enough.

Speaker 2 And like being in a relationship with Natalie more than anything has taught me just like relationships are hard enough.

Speaker 2 Every day can't be a battle, you know, picking what you want to eat, who does what, you know, and so like I can't, I'm allergic to laundry. Natalie loves it.

Speaker 1 Natalie's allergic to doing bad dishes. I can do dishes.

Speaker 2 You know, I love to cook. I won't even let her cook sometimes.

Speaker 1 I don't let anyone cook.

Speaker 2 I'm more like you're doing it wrong.

Speaker 1 Same

Speaker 1 move. I grew up in a culinary family.
My mom's a chef and my aunt's a chef. And I didn't really know how to cook until a few years ago.
So I, as soon as that.

Speaker 2 What's your favorite? Yeah. Do you have like a go-to?

Speaker 1 Recently, I make a really good chicken thigh. Recently, I've been really doing a really good chicken thigh.

Speaker 2 I love a thigh because most people go breast.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 2 And it's just like, you dark meat.

Speaker 1 You got to do bone in, skin on, thigh. You got to sear it.
And then you take it out. And then you make like a little sauce, put it in the oven.
You

Speaker 1 do a little lemon, some capers, some anchovies, maybe. Oh, my God.
Yeah. Why not? Oh, my God.
It's so yummy. I also made...

Speaker 1 a yummy like a mushroom gravy on something, but it was, it's good. I love to make like, I just like love to cook.
So if I see something that I like, I make a really good salmon too.

Speaker 3 Is it easy for you to cook for like one person? Or are you like, guys, I'm cooking, everyone come over.

Speaker 1 I need everyone to come. I will not cook for myself.
I literally can't do it real time. I just cannot do it.
I'd rather cook for other people and myself than I can't make myself a thing.

Speaker 2 It is true. I mean, like, when I was, you know, in my single days, and there was a lot of, a lot of years,

Speaker 2 I was like the single serving guy. You know, I'd go to the grocery store every day and I'd find like things that like would make sense.
Like, that's when I got into English.

Speaker 2 That's when I discovered the, the, joy of an English muffin.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 Because I could also make a burger

Speaker 2 and then use it as a bun. Yes.
But like, you know, before, as a single-serving guy, if you just buy like a bag of buns, like you use one bun and it goes bad.

Speaker 2 But an English muffin, you can put it in the fridge, it keeps a little longer. And I would have all these like single-serving tricks.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Like, and it was just like, but also kind of depressing that I figured out how to like

Speaker 1 make it look pretty at least sustainably.

Speaker 2 Like

Speaker 1 I always like, if I make something really ugly, I just put a little herb on, like some herbs, just a little chive on the top.

Speaker 3 So you're like an it has to like plate.

Speaker 1 I like a good plate. So do I.

Speaker 3 I always feel bad because I'm I like try to plate my 13-month-old daughter's like perfectly.

Speaker 1 And she's like screaming, crying.

Speaker 3 And I'm like, just honey, if I can just get this perfectly.

Speaker 1 And she's like bashing it with her hands. I love that.
That's so cute. It's a thought that counts.
It is.

Speaker 3 It is. She doesn't understand yet.

Speaker 1 She doesn't understand yet, but she will. She will.

Speaker 3 I've taken a photo of every one of her meals and she'll be like.

Speaker 1 They look a cute little plate.

Speaker 3 They're very, they're definitely her hands like in all of them, like going for something in all the pictures. It's really so cute.

Speaker 1 Speaking of girls, when I was in New York and I was, um, I was doing a play every night. So I would come home at like nine.

Speaker 1 I would literally just eat like pickles and like cheese and salami with crackers like for dinner every day.

Speaker 1 Cause I didn't, I literally was the girliest dinner and like some fruit and like just eating every like pickled thing that is in the room. It's just random.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because it's just like I would just come home so late and I'm just like, this is like I'm like, this is, I'm like. 90% sodium at the moment.

Speaker 1 I could feel myself just like full of salt. Like I'm just like, how much salami? Yeah, she's inflamed.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Maybe girl dinner, you know, maybe I should switch it up a little bit.

Speaker 1 Thankfully, now I'm back in my kitchen and I can make like, you know, rounded, balanced meals.

Speaker 3 But do you have like a go-to meal? You do.

Speaker 1 Yes. I either do like a sundubu, like a Korean soup.
I do that a lot. I'll order.
I love Chinese food. I love like a good kung pai chicken.
You've been a dentifi. I love dentaifeng.

Speaker 2 What's your order?

Speaker 1 I like the soup dumplings. I'll get the like broccoli and garlic sauce, those yum yum yums.
And then I'll have like rice.

Speaker 1 I usually just like really like the dumplings. The dumplings.
I'll just get like

Speaker 1 all the different, the pan-fried ones, the steamed ones. I'll take it all.
The rice cakes. You ever had the rice cake? I love a rice cake.

Speaker 1 I was just thinking about rice cakes the other day. I was like, I need to go to H Mart and just get some rice cake.

Speaker 2 Before we started recording, we were talking about our daughter and you mentioned, oh, I just want a baby. I want a baby.
Is that something that in the future you hope?

Speaker 1 Oh, yes.

Speaker 1 Every time someone has a baby, my first reaction is like, I want one too. Like, and I just like, I feel like I grew up as an only child.
I am the baby of the family and I'm nearly 30.

Speaker 1 So like, I had never really interacted with like a lot of kids growing up or in general. And so I never really thought about having kids until recently.

Speaker 1 And I think also everyone in my family has had a baby before 21. So I'm already like, I'm not that saying I'm late.
Like everyone wanted me to not continue that. It's like being from the South.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like no one's like, no one was like, you should have a baby. Like no one's going to pressure me to have a baby.
This is all me.

Speaker 1 People are like, okay, my mom was like, you should, yeah, but maybe you need a relationship with that.

Speaker 1 She's not like, I want a grand baby she does but she's just like you need to you know she she's like you gotta you gotta wait for the right one you know and like don't rush it but I want a baby in like four or five years

Speaker 2 what love and dating relationships are we in a season of like independence are we dating single era

Speaker 1 we are in a single era do we love that

Speaker 1 we like it we like it I think you know I saw psychic I didn't see a psychic a psychic was at a party saw me psychic saw me he asked for me specifically I thought I saw psychic last year and he told me that I wasn't gonna find love in 2024.

Speaker 1 so i'm like maybe in 2025 okay and then what did they what did he say well no that was that was it

Speaker 1 that's your help that's it that's all you get you got to put another quarter in yeah yeah it's just not this year i'm like okay i'll take it so i actually really live my life by that even though i i it's kind of great i'm like i i think i'm taking a break from dating are psychics like i they they give they make me nervous they make me nervous i do not want to know right when i'm gonna die they're not gonna tell you that but yes maybe they would but again there's something about psychics where it's just like I don't, you, you, I don't.

Speaker 1 I happen to have seen a psychic at a party. Okay.
I have been to a psychic here and there, but I'm also wary of like the LA of it all.

Speaker 1 Like, I'm very, like, I understand the spirit healers and the, you know, and the, and the crystals and Malibu and stuff. I get it.
I get it.

Speaker 1 I think it's fun, but, you know, I take it with a grain of salt. Yeah.
It's not like what I, you know.

Speaker 3 Nick's sister saw one and she said that

Speaker 3 the psychic said, the brother closest to you is going to have twins. And that's Nick.

Speaker 1 And I was like, oh, when are the twins happening, baby? Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 My sister has twins. Her sister has twins.
I still don't know how twins work.

Speaker 1 Is it genetic? I think it shifts generations. But I don't think it has anything to do with the guy, right?

Speaker 1 Maybe. What chromosomes make it?

Speaker 3 Well, I feel like y'all.

Speaker 1 Because they would have to. Well, either like an egg.
There could be two sperms.

Speaker 2 Well, yeah, but usually there's a lot of those.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but true.

Speaker 2 But they make it up all the way up to the egg yeah yeah but yet there either has to be one egg or one i don't know but there can be two eggs

Speaker 1 on the science podcast

Speaker 3 are two different eggs correct i might be wrong but that's what makes it's not identical so they i guess both eggs yeah they'd have what's crazy is my sister has twins and they are so identical that their like fingerprint dna is the same Those are fascinating.

Speaker 1 Crazy. Imagine just having like a part of you in the world.
And you're just like, just like the exact same. Yeah.
And like they're finishing each other's sentences. And like, that sounds so wonderful.

Speaker 1 Like, you'll never like, but it also is like really sad because it's like you have like this person that is like so part of you that like if you guys are not together, it's like, you know, I've heard of like twins knowing when the other one is like hurt if they're not in the same place.

Speaker 1 It's like, twins are, we need to study that. Science get on it.

Speaker 1 Science get on it.

Speaker 2 Get on. What's in your single era, having dated before, I'm assuming.

Speaker 2 What's What's something that you've, through previous experiences, have learned that maybe things have lacked that you really are looking for in your, whenever that happens for you next?

Speaker 2 And what's something that while things maybe didn't work out in the past with whoever, you still really enjoyed and appreciate that aspect of the relationship that you hope to carry into your next relationship?

Speaker 1 Great question. I think.
What I learned about myself is that I'm a particular kind of girl. And I'm not for everyone.
You know what I mean? And

Speaker 1 not in a bad way, but just like, you know, my life is just very, I think a lot of people don't really like that.

Speaker 1 They don't like like a woman who's like very like loud and like takes up a lot of space. And I just inherently do that because I grew up with a lot of women who do that.

Speaker 1 So like even as a kid, I was just like, you know, I, I never lived under like the scrutiny of like, you know, um, the patriarchal

Speaker 1 in that vase. Yeah.
Like where it's like, oh yeah, you have to be small. Like, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Like you have to like, you know, be like um choir and things so i think a lot of people don't like that i don't take it personally when they don't and so and also i need someone who's like very who's gonna take care of me because i take care of a lot of people in a lot of ways and i like really need like someone who's gonna really listen to me and be there for me i am by no means like um submissive wife vibes you know what i mean so it's like you know some people i i've also learned with dating is that is I just don't take it personally anymore.

Speaker 1 I'm just like, this, or, you know, I'm just like, this is not working out. It's not because of me.
I used to always blame me.

Speaker 2 When did you learn that? Because that's like a huge step in like just adult life.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Recently, honestly, like the past couple of years, it's just been so.
And of course I get into a trap. I'm like, whoa, you know, like, what happened there?

Speaker 1 But then I'm like, wait, like, did I even like that person? Like, I also learned, do I want someone to like me or do I like them? You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 That's such a huge step. I mean, I'll ask people all the time.
They'll call if I have a friend who's asking or someone calls in, they'll be like, you know, I want to talk to you about this.

Speaker 2 I'm like, well, how do you, what do you like about how they make you feel?

Speaker 2 It's always my favorite question. Yeah.
Because sometimes or often, there's always like this, oh, um, well, uh, how I, oh, I never thought about how they made me feel.

Speaker 2 I've just more thought about like, why don't, why haven't they texted me back? Or why aren't they calling? Or like, why are they being flaggy on me?

Speaker 2 Like, why are they treating, like, why are they acting this way? And then immediately there's a thought, like, I'm doing something wrong. Right.
What could I do differently? And things like that.

Speaker 2 But like, it was funny that you just said not to, you know, moments ago where you realize that you're not for everyone. No.

Speaker 2 And like, to me, like, that, again, another like huge pivotal, like, at least for me, was that, like,

Speaker 2 no one is, by the way.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was saying, like, I'm hoping I'm like the one person who can be in the bio for everybody. Like, I'm here for everyone.
Everyone will love me.

Speaker 2 I'm like, yeah, no. You know, but that's the person who is people pleasing, who hasn't really realized who they are as a person and not even comfortable to be that person.

Speaker 2 You have to allow, whether it's dating, whether it's friendship, whether it's just like being an adult in society, is having the guts to be who you are and have people not like you.

Speaker 1 And it's so freeing. You know, and I always admired that because when I was younger, I would just get so caught up and like, what did I do wrong?

Speaker 1 And I'm like, probably a lot of stuff, but it's just like, it doesn't really matter. It's like, or not wrong.

Speaker 2 You just did something and it just wasn't for them.

Speaker 1 It wasn't for them.

Speaker 2 You know, they don't vibe with you. Like you, we, there's so many people out there who are just like, not my cup of tea.

Speaker 1 And that's totally fine. And there are someone else's like, you know, like, wow, this is like my dream person.

Speaker 1 And I also think a lot of people think that they know who I am and then they find out that that's not who I am. You know what I mean? Like people can, and I do that too.

Speaker 1 Like I project personalities on people. And I think I also had to stop doing that where it's like, you just start like kind of making these like love stories in your head.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, I'm going to a point in my life where I'm just, I'm just tired. I don't want to do all that anymore.

Speaker 2 Do you find it to be easy or more difficult to date in the industry or outside of the industry?

Speaker 1 I have never really dated anyone in the industry. Just never have.
You know, I think outside, I've dated a lot of people who are creative, but they're not like actors.

Speaker 1 I definitely, you know, that's not usually what I go for, but I'm open to anything, really.

Speaker 1 I'm like, I'm, I really am open to anyone who is like kind and actually wants to like talk to me and like hang out with me and spend time with me and like communicate.

Speaker 1 You know, I dated women most of my life. So I'm like, the communication has always been really big.
And so it's just like, it's just, for me, it's, it's a lot.

Speaker 1 It's like, especially now I'm dating like a little bit more seriously.

Speaker 1 like i'm not just like oh this is just like to be together it's like now it's more like what do i want i'm like i want a baby in five years you know it's kind of getting i'm i'm like i'm getting older like this is just not as fun anymore when it's just like crazy like you feel like you have like a timeline over your head or no honestly no but i just i it's more of like a a way to know like sometimes i just don't know what i want and i'll like meet someone i'm like okay but this person's not really that but then it could be this I'm just like, actually, I do know what I want.

Speaker 1 And it just have to be like confident enough to just be like, this is like, I do want

Speaker 1 commitment.

Speaker 2 It's tough, right? Like, you know, like me, younger me was more like, what I wanted was somebody. And I wanted somebody who wanted me.
And that was kind of the baseline. My name is for most people.

Speaker 1 Anyone who wants to be with me, sure.

Speaker 2 And then, and then you get older and you have relationships and heartbreak, you break up.

Speaker 2 And then you, that, that transitional period of knowing what you want for yourself, knowing, and then what you want to give to someone else.

Speaker 2 And then having the patience to wait around for it can suck.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Like, it's.
The patience is hard. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But it's also like once you're in the relationship, it's so much work, you know, and it's not like you think it's like relationships are just going to like save you.

Speaker 1 And it's, then, you know, I was in a serious relationship for three years and it was great. And then after, you know, it was, you know, still great.
It was just either single or in a relationship.

Speaker 1 It's like you kind of fantasize about the opposite of it. You're like, oh, if I was single, like, I wouldn't have this.

Speaker 1 Or like, if I'm, or like, you know, if I was in a relationship, I'll have someone to go with me.

Speaker 2 But it's like, I just kind of like don't even think about it anymore in that way because I just know that I'm getting pickier as I get older and more intentional with stuff and i never even knew what i liked like i would just like if someone was like showing interest in me i'd be like hype you know i'm like yeah it's like for a long time in my life and now it's a little bit more you know a little more discernment in that yeah it's a i had to figure out there was a point before i met natalie where when i was in my 20s it was you know my parents were good role models but the problem sometimes the problem with the good role models is like my parents tell me love is important and you have to fight for it so it was like oh okay well then i'll just fight for this you know kind of thing you know and but sometimes it's i didn't really want to do it you know i didn't need to do that so then and then i got older and i was like okay you know i finally figured out who i was in my late 20s early 30s and then took some risks and and and had a you know did reality tv and that was all kind of weird but then you know so then i had this stint of reality tv and this controlled environment where they almost like make you feel like you're young again and it's all about these emotions and then so then i was dating it was more like i honestly like there was a point where in my 30s i was honestly worried and i thought to myself do i just need to pick somebody yeah do like you know like yeah anybody you know like we get along yeah i guess this could work you seem nice enough yeah you're you're obviously beautiful but like there's a part of me was like am i too cynical am i looking for flaws am i looking you know and finding that balance between the person who like knows who they are uh and is can be patient but or or or am i I looking for problems?

Speaker 2 Am I being avoidant or things like that? Super confusing.

Speaker 2 And I really struggle with that. And I mean, I remember having those, I remember I was saying to my therapist, like, do I just need to do this?

Speaker 2 Like, because I was afraid I wasn't going to fall in love. Because like when I was younger, you're just like, oh, I, this, I don't know what this feeling is.
I think we should date, you know? Right.

Speaker 2 And I couldn't replicate that feeling unless I was in this controlled environment, you know, on a TV show. And I was like, I don't, you're looking for that thing, you know?

Speaker 1 And does that, does anyone exist with that thing yeah you know what i mean it can be a very scary feeling it's super scary i totally feel i feel like it's very confusing it's also like you have to choose to just like you have to really choose to be there every day it's like a very active decision so if something is not working out it can be like so hard to just like choose to be there decide to like fix it and then you know you have to know when to walk away but it's also i don't think there is a clear cut there's no like oh you guys should break up or not it's more like what do you do you see for yourself yeah no one's like i broke up with them on the exact perfect day at the right time you're always going to wonder one way or the other.

Speaker 2 You just kind of have to trust.

Speaker 1 You have to trust yourself.

Speaker 1 For me, I always just think about like, do I want to live my life like this? You know what I mean? Do I want to feel this way every day? If it's yes, then I'll continue.

Speaker 1 But if no, like if I literally am like, this can't happen anymore. And it's been enough time where we've talked about it.
Then it's like, okay, then I just make a decision for myself.

Speaker 2 If I feel bad now, but like, is this, is this the norm? Yeah. Or is this something that is happening now?

Speaker 2 But like, we can go come if this gets, you know, the the normal feeling with this person or this relationship generally brings me joy and happiness. But right now,

Speaker 2 you know, I need a fix.

Speaker 1 Which happens. I mean, that's with any kind of relationship.

Speaker 2 Well, yes, a lot of people, it's more the opposite. It's just like I've, you know, you ask them and they're like, I've been miserable for three years.
Yeah. You know?

Speaker 3 And they're like, but we've been together for eight years. I can't just throw it away.

Speaker 1 It's been eight years. People think it's like a really

Speaker 1 big like like celebration. Like, oh, we've been together forever, which is great.

Speaker 1 But it's also like, are you hanging on to something that is truly not serving a purpose in your life that like is actually serving you? You know what I mean? It's, yeah. What's your love language?

Speaker 1 Um, I like, I like a lot of quality time. And actually, you know what? Words of affirmation, big, big words of affirmation kind of girl.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I love it. I like to hear good things.
I like to make sure that you tell me, like, I like to be told, you know, and comforted in that way.

Speaker 1 So, when you're not cooking, working, making movies, like, what, what are your guilty pleasures where you you just kind of check out and and really kind of so many things into i've started knitting recently and i've been knitting and i've been watching a lot of like either true crime podcasts which is like very my mom

Speaker 1 very my mom or um i'll watch like uh i watch the stupidest stuff it's actually crazy i was watching like um

Speaker 1 like the beast games and like you know stuff like that's like just so you know i mean it's like so fun to like when i want to like take a load off i will truly get into brain rot in a big way so a lot of that I like you know I was really into MILF Manor at one point

Speaker 1 wow love MILF Manor love MILF Manor is that the one Peter did I believe so that's with like the older older ladies and like the first season was like with the younger yeah then my my yeah but then they brought in the they brought in the the like was it the dads and sons yes Peter

Speaker 1 friend show ran that oh my god it's truly an incredible piece of I actually think it's like it's amazing and whenever I tell people about it they're like what does that mean i'm like milf manor the milfs and the sons okay and they're like but not a porn no but they clearly know what's trending you know what i mean and that and it's smart and it's really smart yeah so i i like to watch that i like to hang out my friends i um have you knitted anyone a sweater no i'm right now in the phase of knitting like bandanas for my dog and cat.

Speaker 1 We're starting small. We're starting very small.
It's very hard to knit, actually. And I've been like really getting into like the knit community around here.

Speaker 1 I go to like the small business it's so cute this yarn shop and like everyone there it's like so much yarn is beautiful and like people like they have like classes there they like talk to you about knitting i'm just like i feel like i'm inducted into some sort of society it's great sister it's fun it's so cute everyone has like their cute little knits you know i'm like do you have like uh what are you gonna knit when you really feel like you've got it down I think like a dress.

Speaker 1 I want to make like a little halter top dress. I used, when I was a kid, I used to have a crochet string bikini.
And by kid, I mean like two years old because my great grandma knitted it for me

Speaker 1 or crocheted it for me. And so I kind of want to recreate it.
I've been starting to like kind of recreate the bikini, but it's really hard. So I just keep just making squares and triangles really.

Speaker 2 And do you knit and watch TV?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Okay.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 My grandmother, Phyllis, still with us.

Speaker 2 I used to live like one time

Speaker 2 my then girlfriend at the time broke up and I was in my, we were engaged, actually. But like, so we were living together, had to move out.
Well, I had to move out.

Speaker 2 I wanted to get the fuck out out of there.

Speaker 1 Of course.

Speaker 2 And then my grandmother, who I only refer to as Phyllis, because when I was born, she was like 50, and she's like, I'm not ready to be a grandmother.

Speaker 1 I love that.

Speaker 2 And she lived downtown where, you know, in the city I lived in. And I was like, I need to get the fuck out of here.

Speaker 2 So I like, I like had to shame, shamefully, what felt at the time, like, live with my... grandma.
So cute. Which ended up being like a great time because she's a night owl.

Speaker 2 And she, I would go out to the bars, hang out with my friends, and come back. It'd be like two in the morning.
She's up knitting, watching TV.

Speaker 1 That's so mean.

Speaker 1 We would like download the night you know and i would talk about like i love my nights and things like that and it ended up being like just a very memorable i love it i'm a grandma girl like my grandma raised me basically my mom was in school and like worked at a restaurant so i barely saw her but my grandma raised me i'm like such a grandma's girl like my grandma and i are like very close was that hard for you when she went back to brazil yes i was 18 so i had as soon as i moved out of the house she was like i'm out i'm i'm gone it was really hard i just saw her um over the holidays when i was in new york and it was really sweet but yeah it was was really hard.

Speaker 2 Do you get back to Brazil much?

Speaker 1 I've been going more recently. I went last year.
I went to Rio for work. And then my mom, I like to go to Bahia, which is like my favorite place in Brazil.
It's so, it's like so wonderful.

Speaker 1 It's like there's like a beach and it's just gorgeous. And I'm just like, but it's so far.
It's like truly like a 25-hour journey

Speaker 1 of like many planes and drives and all sorts of things, but it's worth it. If I go, I stay for a while.
So it's like really nice. Yeah, it's a, it's like, it's like little monkeys everywhere.

Speaker 1 It is like, you know, it's like, it's truly so, it's like a little like storybook. It's like my mom will send me videos when she's there.
She's just like, the monkeys are stealing my fruit, you know?

Speaker 1 And they're like tiny, little, cute, like little monkeys or like just giant sloths everywhere. I'm like, this is in mud roads.
It's so cool.

Speaker 2 It's so cool. What is next for you? Like what in a perfect world?

Speaker 2 Do you have a dream job, a dream type of film, or even maybe a particular actor out there that you've always kind of

Speaker 2 maybe fascinated or dreamt about working with.

Speaker 1 Wow. Manifestation time.
Yeah. I think I've done a lot of contemporary stuff.

Speaker 1 Like a lot of the things I've done, even the films that haven't come out yet, which, you know, I think this year a couple of them will come out.

Speaker 1 I really want to make something that's kind of like a period piece. Like I really want to, you know, step outside of just like the 2010s, 2020s and just.

Speaker 2 Is there a particular period that fascinates you the most?

Speaker 1 I feel like I would do pretty good in like.

Speaker 1 the 20 like like like not like super period but like 20s and like maybe like 40s or something

Speaker 1 that's a great idea yeah i i feel like that's like you know like kind of like the kind of like boudoir like pin up kind of like just like a lot of i think that would be really cool i mean i'm open to whatever it is um but i think that'd be really nice and i think you know my favorite actress is like kate blanchette like that like obviously it would be my dream i think is there anyone in history that you would do like a biopic on oh my gosh yeah who oh god um let's see well the thing is is like People are very picky with that because they're like, you don't look like this person.

Speaker 1 I'm like, but what if I have prosthetics? You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 Yeah, you have no idea.

Speaker 1 I'm like, the world, if the penguin can happen with prosthetics, and if people, you know, there was like the Tammy Faye, Jessica Chassis, I'm like, prosthetics happen. I have.

Speaker 2 Colin Farrell can play the penguin.

Speaker 1 Literally, with so much prosthetics. Come on now.
Why can't I play Insert Name here? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't know exactly who I would play.

Speaker 3 I feel like there's no one that you're like specifically drawn to from history that you're like, that would just be an interesting, like,

Speaker 1 I am fascinated

Speaker 1 by like

Speaker 1 actresses of the past who kind of, you know, I really love the theatrics of like, you know, kind of old Hollywood. So yeah, I don't know.
I would say

Speaker 1 maybe I shouldn't say yet, but I am working on something

Speaker 1 that may or may not happen

Speaker 1 about someone of that nature.

Speaker 1 So that's why I'm like, hmm, I don't know. I think of someone else and I was like, maybe I should really.

Speaker 1 But yeah, we'll see. We'll see.

Speaker 2 Well, Barbie, this has been so much fun.

Speaker 1 Thank you for having me. This is so sweet.

Speaker 2 It's so fun to talk to.

Speaker 1 Thank you. I really appreciate it.

Speaker 2 I could keep going, but I know you have to get going. So listen.

Speaker 2 She's busy. Thank you for taking the time.
It's been so much fun. Congratulations on a very beautiful movie.

Speaker 2 Everyone, check it out. Bob Trevino likes it.
And where can you go?

Speaker 1 March 21st in Select Theaters in New York, L.A., and then March 28th in other theaters. Check it out.
Bob Trevino likes it.com.

Speaker 2 It's a great friend film.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you can bring your family. You can go with your family.

Speaker 2 You will be emotional, but it really.

Speaker 1 Most of my other work is not very family-friendly. So, this is the family-friendly one.
Very family-friendly.

Speaker 2 You will want to watch, you will see this film, and you will want to connect with people afterwards. And I think that's a very beautiful thing that we all need today.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 thank you, God. Thank you.

Speaker 2 Thanks so much. So much fun to have with you.
See you guys tomorrow. Bye.