E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island

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Don't miss the all-new season of Farmer Wants a Wife Thursday on Fox. What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the vile files reality recap edition i am your host nick and everyone is fired at the bachelor i don't even know who's running that nobody more huh nobody nobody like it's uh we got we got after the final rose next week and i don't know who's in charge we don't even even know if it's going to air.
Yeah, Grant's in charge.

Amongst the, what, like the most recent, what, like Dead Deadline did an article like a couple

weeks ago talking about the toxic workplace environment over at the, I don't even know

what you call it because like Warner Brothers produces the show, but like Warner Brothers,

it's like produced by Next Media, which was the company I, originally owned or started by Mike Fleiss, I think. And that's where all the production team works out of, but it's also kind of run by Warner Brothers.
I don't know. I don't totally get it.
Anyways, yeah, so the showrunners, Claire and Bennett, are no longer with the show. Do we think they left on their own accord? They got fired.
You think they got fired? Yeah. I don't think they were like, oh, there's some rumors going on about us.
You know what? Let's, for the good of this show, let's- Step away. Let's step away.
I think, you know, it's been fascinating as someone, like, Bennett was kind of like the, I know, I think, to my knowledge, I know two people who still are working. Well, no longer Bennett.
Yeah, I know. I'm including Bennett in that, but I don't know.
You said, I know. I still know two people.
Oh. Who's the other person? I don't think you've never met him.
Mystery. It seems like, so when Mike Fleiss left the show, there was a big, I think we talked about this, this big kind of shake up.
And Mike Fleiss know the for those who don't know the creative the show he's been like living on an island in literally hawaii when he felt like kind of sticking his nose in it he would like tell people what to do and then sometimes he would take a hiatus it was kind of very never no one really knew what was going on anyways and so when he stepped out or got pushed out or whatever they's still like people think he's still very much involved,

but there was a big shakeup and they brought in this Claire person from

Bachelor Canada,

brought her down.

And then a lot of people who were kind of running things were left,

let go.

Bennett was like the lone survivor of like the OG group.

And a lot of people had hurt feelings about,

you know,

how that all went down.

And I think a lot of people felt like Bennett leftennett left them kind of hanging so to speak mixed feelings you know i mean it can go both ways uh business is business but like a lot i think a lot of people uh were upset with i got i think bennett you know because he was kind of the last man standing and this claire person came in from bachelor canada and those two kind of seemingly took over they kind of got locks up with each other. And again, these are all just rumors or just opinions from people who have worked on the show and things that I've heard.
But it seems like a lot of people, they all kind of blame Claire. Well, what seasons has Claire run? I don't forget when she started.
She worked on Joey's season for sure. There was another person.
His name was Jason. And it was Jason, Bennett, and Claire kind of running things.
And then Jason got pushed out by Claire and Bennett. Oh, no.
Allegedly. And somehow, someway, Jason got let go.
Allegedly. I heard that, you know, they kind of pushed him out, but again, this is all speculation, this is all rumors.
They're not rumors, they're whisperings. Well, no, what I'm sharing are opinions from people, but like, yeah, this is what I've heard from people like in it.
So, yeah, it's kind of it's kind of fascinating. Someone from Canada is being mean.
I don't know if she's being mean, but I think a lot of people don't appreciate, I guess. I don't know.
You know, I mean, the Hollywood Reporter article says their exits come in the wake of allegations that Freeland and Gravener oversaw a, in quotes, toxic and hostile workplace on The Bachelor claims the pair have denied through their attorney. So, I mean, through the attorney, they denied it, according to Hollywood Reporter.
And the attorney's statement is, my clients are well-respected professionals with a long history in this business. They are frankly stunned and saddened by some of the things they are hearing now for the first time.
It doesn't seem like they're very respected if all these people are like hey toxic work environment it's giving pr training yeah a dozen current and former staff members on the bachelor accused them of creating a culture of fear and secrecy but no they're respected but i trust the lawyer yeah well i mean there's a difference between like raising you know i don't know i think um i honestly don't know what to think i think there are a lot of hurt feelings by what happened a couple years ago. The Jen finale, I think they caught a lot of heat for that.
That was Claire and Bennett. Whose idea was it Claire? Was it Bennett? I don't know.
They caught a lot of heat for that. They made a lot of decisions.
And what I've heard is they kind of just left a lot of people out and they kind of siloed themselves. Anyways, it just seems like there was a lot of toxicity, a lot of bad feelings, a lot of people, you know, feeling like they were getting pushed out.
Just what was described to me as very game of Thrones over there. I'm like, how do they choose the next king of the king of the throne? Well, that will be interesting because again, it's very much like, you know, the bachelor franchise is run by Warner brothers.
Right. And there's been a lot of mix up there, but it's also like ABC is the distributor, ABC slash Hulu slash Disney, ultimately Disney.
And I don't really know how they decide all those things, but like there's a lot of say that ABC has, even though they're not the ones that produce it, right? So I think that's always kind of been their challenge about like, there's always been a lot of fighting for like who has the right to do what between abc and and warner brothers so it'll be interesting to see it will abc maybe get more pull with the shake-up or not i don't know but we shall see i mean i hope with the shake-up they also shake up the show a little bit same that's what i'm hoping i hope so too i hope this is an opportunity, but I don't know if they will. Well, because I hope what happens is that new people come in and then the work environment on their end becomes less toxic if it was, in fact, that way.
And then people kind of get their creativity back and are excited to shake things up on the show and it ripples. I always thought it that that claire this claire person got hired because like she got hired right after she basically destroyed bachelor in paradise canada like it no longer what happened there well does it exist anymore i don't think so i don't know well i don't know i've never really seen it or watched it or followed it but i don't know if there's a story i just know that it no longer exists and they're like she's the right person for us so it's like she has a trail of coming in and like being like oh let's just get rid of bachelorette let's just get rid of you know what they need to bring back they need to bring back the um was it called game the bachelor games it's called bachelor pad you mean bachelor pad yeah the one where they like all from they cross all the seasons and then they would play and be partners.
You're thinking Winter Games. No, she's talking about Bachelor Pad, which came out before Bachelor in Paradise.
It was their original spinoff. Some say before their time.
Before competition reality shows from bringing back old cast members and doing silly games and things like that. A lot of people thought it was great for whatever reason.
I never watched it ago. I loved it.
A lot of, this was years ago. I never watched it either, but I was familiar with it.
And then they canceled it. And then that's when they took like a couple year break.
And that's how Bachelor in Paradise started because they were like looking for a different spinoff. And again, like maybe it was just before time.
This was before like, you know, obviously Traders came out and the success of that and all these like competition shows where they brought like, you know, like love island all-stars you know and things like that you know and never it didn't work back then and seems to work now so i don't know it says 2010 three seasons yeah yeah three seasons and went away and then like what 2014 was the first year of paradise something like that was that also the same show where like at the end they like similar to

how it is on love island where they get the chance to either split the money or like if they both there was a big scene where this guy didn't do it his name was nick and like he it was like if you both agree to keep it uh you split it and if one person agrees to keep it and the other person if some person says like keep it and the other person says share it the person who keeps it gets it and this guy named nix took it uh and and was very much hated but he took like 250 000 and left the girl hanging left the girl hanging so rude it was wild the exact opposite it was uh it was a big deal yeah it was the opposite of of the four traders coming together it's what britney would have done in the traders finale it is what what Brittany would have done. Speaking of Bachelor, we had Fantasy Suites episode this week.
Well, he's clearly picking... Juliana.
Juliana. My girl.
Boy cried. She gave a very vocal fry version of trauma.
Love her. Yeah, sure.
She seems lovely. She seems nice.
I do. I've been reading from them from day one.
I was like, yeah, cry together. It's just a very long-winded way of being like, yeah, I mean, my ex seems lovely she seems nice I do I've been reading from them from day one I was like yeah cry together it's just a very long winded way of being like yeah I mean my ex cheated on me my ex cheated on me you know it affects people differently she's still healing and again like it's a tough situation for sure like but then Grant just crying I was like is it hot there is it sweating how moist like but then like fast forward to the dates with tia he was dry as fuck i do always wonder about the temperature on these shows like temptation island i'm like how hot is it did you see the clip of grant at the woman tell all where he like jesse's announcing like let's look at the clip and grant looks like he's like physically uncomfortable people are like what ibs does this man have right now like he wants to get off the stage he did look very uncomfortable i saw I saw that.
Nick, what happens in that situation if you're have IBS and you're The Bachelor? What do you do? I'm not saying that this happened to you, but you just gave a whole thesis on production schedule. He doesn't do potty talk.
Okay. If you're feeling a little...
I have to have experienced IBS. What if you have a nervous poop? What if you feel sick? What if you have a tummy ache? In what situation? And you're the bachelor and you have to go on camera and be the bachelor and do fantasy suites, but you're feeling like you could potentially have death of the root.
I'm in the fantasy suite and I got bubble butt. What do you do in that situation? Bubble butt is from Spongebob.
Or the song. Bubble gut.
Do you tell producers or do you just hold it? You can't hold it in those situations. Or is this like bonding? You have to give him the specific instance.
When was the last time you had the middle of the night urge to poop? Like 2am? Two days ago? In defense, I went out on Friday night and I ate mac and cheese before I went out and then I got kind of drunk and then I was like, oh no. Put it this way.
This is the first time you're going to be alone with anyone in this environment. So like, you know, whatever your body is feeling, you're probably fairly in tuned, you know? But it might be like, just like, you now's the time imagine you're juliana you finally get your fantasy suite with grant and he's just like oh no excuse me no imagine you're juliana it's like white chick scene no the white chick scene literally this is what i want to know from the like fuck the toxic workplace environment but i hope that gets better i want to know what's happening internally why do you assume i want to know What's, like, fuck the toxic workplace environment, but I hope that gets better.
I want to know what's happening internally. Why do you assume gut-wise? I want to know what's happening in a fantasy suite if you've got bubbleguts.
These are important questions. They acknowledge the intimacy of fantasy suites in this episode.
And for me, like a fresh Bachelor watcher, like, they don't do that, right? They do. Like, did they try to, like, rebrand the word of fantasy suites, too? Did they? Overnights or something? Like, I feel like I've heard, like, a different term for a little bit that they were using.
They have used overnights. I don't know if there's a rebrand there.
Yeah. Okay, maybe not.
Because I'm still saying fantasy suites. I have a question.
So in this episode, Katie and Latia talk. And Katie says that she wishes that Zach had waited to tell her about what happened in the fantasy suites with the other women.
What guys want to know after the fact Or like Zach had told Katie like in the middle of like when the Season was still going on And she's saying that she would have He's like I had sex with so and so Yeah Did we know that he did or was she being vague It was like yeah Zach told me I wish he would have waited because he told me they cuddled. So did Katie admit to having, that Zach, did she call out Zach or something? She said that that was something that bothered her, that Zach told her about like what was going on or that he had been intimate with someone else.
And then she suggested to Letia that like, you don't want to know. And Letia was like, yeah, you're right.
I don't want to know. And then she said to Grant, I don't want to know

what you've done with other women.

And I'm like,

I would want to know.

I don't think I would.

No?

No.

That would just put me in my head.

You would rather wait until after?

Yeah.

Is it going to change your decision tree?

Is it going to change your mind?

Yeah.

Like how you make a decision?

Is that anyone?

Okay, Mr. Melvin.

Decision tree.

You know,

it's like if they do this,

I'm going to do that,

you know. Cause an effect.
Sure. You know, you're on The Bachelor.
You know, this person has a fantasy suite with multiple people. You know, they're given a green light if they want to potentially do that.
Are you going to get engaged and then say and break up with them? Are you going to be the first person in the history of the show to find out that the the lead had sex with someone and then before afr break up with them because they had sex with one other person and then come out of the afr and be like yeah they fuck someone so fuck them you're gonna do that i mean like certainly sex has been talked about and it's been you know and for various reasons people had problems that are not have it. But no one's actually been like, yeah, we broke up.

And then it's like, why?

Because they had sex with someone else.

That's never happened.

That's crazy then.

All the years of The Bachelor.

Right.

And then you have situations like Susie where she found out that Clayton had been it.

He said that before he said that too.

Clayton was different because Clayton was just like, I love everybody.

And I had sex with everyone.

Yeah.

And he came out at the rose ceremony. He's like, yeah, I had sex with you.
I had sex with you. And I had sex with everyone.
Yeah, and he came out at the roast ceremony. He's like, yeah, I had sex with you.
I had sex with you. I had sex with you.
And he was like, I love you all. And like, isn't that great? Everyone's in love.
If you're going to be the bachelor, be the bachelor. I swear to God, they must have given Clayton advice while he was eating two burritos at the same time.

I do understand. I think you should tell all these women you had sex with them.
He's like, sure.

I'm not thinking. Anyways,

I think that's nuts that Katie

came out and was like, yeah, Zach told

me he had sex with someone else before

my fantasy suite. I'm choosing you,

but I slept with her.

I thought it was during a musical act where he whispered

in the air, like, yeah, I had sex with her.

Yes.

Anyway, did Grant make

Thank you. but like I slept with her.
I thought it was like during a musical act where he like whispered in the air like yeah I had sex with her. Yes.
Anyway. Did Grant make it seem like he didn't have sex? Well when he was on the show he said that he was like I like literally was like that changes everything like I'm not having sex in fantasy suites.
He kind of made it seem like he wasn't having sex. He made it seem like he wasn't having sex.
Yeah. You know.
We all assume they have sex, but that doesn't mean they do. Right.
We got to take Grant's word. You had sex.
No. Before me? Huh? Us Weekly, are you listening? Breaking news.
Well, anyways, but... But wait, did you have you have sex with? No, wait, out of curiosity, because I'm curious if like, because you knew you were going to pick Vanessa the whole time.
So like if he knew he was going to pick Juliana the whole time, he's like, listen, like I'm not having sex with anyone else, but Juliana. Like, so did you have sex with Vanessa? The whole time Nick was like, has this happened before? I was like, I've never seen The Bachelor, but I'm pretty sure that didn't happen your season.
I'm not going to out you. I definitely, when I was The Bachelor, was not going to...
I'm not going to out you. I was not going to hook up with multiple people.
I knew that going in. If I was going to hook up with anyone, it was only going to be one.
That was my promise to myself. That was your right reason.
Yeah, that was my right reason.

That was your Boy Scout.

You were like, I will fuck one person.

Okay.

Also, maybe, I wonder if Grant did too.

Be intimate.

But he does love Latia.

Which is so confusing. It was, by the way, and I love you.

It was a throwaway.

But he did say it multiple times.

Multiple times.

It was like in the morning, and I was like, oh my gosh, no, my girl.

It didn't feel like he ever really meant it.

Do you think he did? I think he did. I think he did.
He said it with eye contact. He probably thought he did.
He said it with conviction. Well, I knew it wasn't Zoe.
Yeah. After that silent yoga.
I think next week someone's going to be real pissed. Yeah.
It'll be me if it's not Juliana. It's definitely Juliana.
It's definitely Juliana. Come on.
Well, I mean, we don't know if it's definitely definitely Juliana I definitely think it's Juliana And I definitely think Latia is going to be pissed The question is will Latia be messy Will she come out of AFR and be like What's all that love talk She's not going to be messy You don't think so She's a woman of God The women of God are the meanest fucking bitches in my DM, so. I agree.
I will say, I respect Juliano when he was going to give out the roses and he was walking up and she's like, all right, ladies. As if she's like supporting everybody, but she's secretly like, I'm going to win.
Yeah, she knows she's going to win. Zoe, wow, what a run.
Justice for Zoe. What do you mean justice for Zoe? She made it farther than she should.
She played the game. And by should, I mean for someone who had no connection with the lead.
No one-on-one. They gave her no opportunity.
She had no one-on-one, and then her final date is in a silent yoga session. Like, tell me you don't like me.
Literally, like, you don't want to know anything about me. She was like, I'm so excited to actually have time with him, and then she's like, a silent yoga session.
She's like, I'm really excited to, yeah, open up, really talk about just, like, stuff I've been through. He's like, so our date today, you won't be speaking.
And the instructor's like, shh. It's like, it's not me.
It's not me, babe. And she hates yoga, too.
Wow. She was set up, you're right.
She was. Well, coming up shortly, we have Crystal Minkoff and Cynthia Bailey of the hit show Humble Brag joining us momentarily to talk a little Housewives of Atlanta, just a little Bravo gossip, what's going on in their lives.
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So we'll see what Dasha has to say coming up shortly as well. Any final thoughts on Bachelor before we move on to Crystal and Cynthia? Should we do our final bets on who's winning? Team Jules? Come the fuck on.
I'll be messing and say Latia. I'm team Latia, but I'm...
Team TT. TT.
No disrespect for Jules, but I think he's going to pick Jules? Come the fuck on I'll be messing I'm team Latia But I'm Team TT TT

But no disrespect

For Jules

But I think he's gonna pick Jules

No disrespect

For the winner?

Well we're just saying

Like we are team Latia

But we do know

That he will be picking

Someone else

I'm not team Jules

I just

No happy that they're happy

I'm a fan of Latias

Nick's a fan of runner ups

Yeah

And I think she's a runner up He loves He loves an underdog. And I think she got played.
Oh. I think the producers played her.
I think Grant was very much a, listen, it's not Grant's fault. He doesn't know about this world and he's going into this world with a level of like, hey, I'm going to trust you guys.
Wait, does anyone else remember when he was here and he was talking about where nick was like if listen like that'll be an amazing finale like you're really torn between two women and he was like i wasn't really that torn like i just i knew i was gonna pick i just didn't want to like you know it's like hurting someone's feelings i'm curious well that was performing because that preview of the finale this man is like how much more time do i have i have to go right now i'm not ready I'm not ready That's not But if he's faking that If that's all bullshit That's not his fault That's the producer's fault That's Claire Bennett's fault That's Claire I mean Listen I just don't expect Yeah like again There's no gun to anyone's head And no one's making you say anything But in that world He just doesn't know better Of all the leads before him People who't in the top four, you know, either it was Hannah Brown. So it's not like it's not like it hasn't happened before.
But people who don't make it the top four have a very limited experience and very different experience about like the final stages of the season. And so if you make it the top four and then you become the lead, you are far more prepared than people who don't.
You you know you just like there's just it's like a whole different version of filming with the stakes being elevated and that much higher and for grant having not had experience that he's really going in this whole phase of the show incredibly blind and very much trusting these people so like and i've heard from previous producers that they always thought bear that that Claire and Bennett Bear were very scripted, very staged, very much. They kind of decided like the beats of the show and kind of just kind of told leads exactly what to do and say, and then really give them much wiggle room.
I heard that. Don't know if there'd be pushback from Claire and Bennett on that opinion, but that is what I heard.
But if that's true, I give Grant a lot of grace.

I think Grant's been a great Bachelor,

to be honest.

I've really enjoyed watching him.

I think he's very personable

with all the ladies,

and I haven't had one moment

where I'm like,

fuck this guy.

And usually there's one moment

in a Bachelor season

where I'm like,

fuck this guy.

But if he's saying,

I love you to Latia,

and what if Latia,

the runner-up,

what if the runner-up, they've positioned this whole season as like he doesn't know morning of he doesn't know they make it seem like not even make it seem they have jesse palmer come out in this preview and act as if like they are about to bring the two it's proposal it's ready to go it's proposal time whatever time in the day they have the proposal set it is time and he still doesn't know't know. And he needs to let Jesse know of all people.
And there's no way that's true. There is no way that's true.
Just knowing how the show is done, there is no way they woke up that morning and they were like, who are you going to pick? And Grant was like, I have no idea. But Jesse Palmer was like, I need to know.
Bring Jesse Palmer. And if they really didn't know, if Grant really didn't know, the last person they would bring in is Jesse Palmer.
because like what is and again love jesse palmer was like i need to bring jesse palmer and if they really didn't know if grant really didn't know the last person they would bring in is jesse palmer because like what is and again love jesse great at his job for what they asked the bachelor host to do but it's very different what they asked the temptation island host to do in terms of like actually giving advice i've never seen jesse do anything other than pat them on the back and go all right well good luck um so for for grant to say he knew on this show that means that claire and bennett basically forced grant into pretending that morning he didn't know which means that he they might have forced grant into saying a lot of shit uh to their runner-up that he didn't believe or was true and it will be very curious how grant handles that and it'll be i'll be if the, you know, if I'm, if I'm the runner up, I don't give a fuck. I wouldn't offer a grant any grace.
I mean, despite me offering him grace, because I'm not personally involved on the runner up, I'd be like, fuck that guy. Fuck yourself.
Okay. Sounds toxic.
Guess we'll see. Can't wait.
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Atlantis.

Are you enjoying it?

Love it.

Oh, God.

Dude, Porsche's.

Oh, it's just getting started.

Porsche's, no.

You have no idea.

Joke.

Listen.

Porsche's, no joke. All right, ready? Just getting started.
Crystal, Cynthia, hi. Welcome back.
Hi. Thank you.
We'd love being back. Well, you should.
You've been on a cruise for three weeks. No, not a cruise.
Three weeks. You've been on like a private, personal yacht.
It must be nice. It was nice, guys.
And I'm happy to be back. back you look very rested how does one get invited to a personal yacht we're going to talk about our pod the whole thing but I am a good guest I'm a good guest I like to think of myself I work very hard at being a good host you're easy to be around your own.
But I'm a good guest. I roll with it.

You know, you want to do this?

Yes, that's great.

You want like extra energy?

You're easy.

I'm there.

This is your, you know, it's your boat.

Yeah.

It's like, I'm just, but I'm gonna like, I roll with it.

And you just gotta like, I'm constantly aware of my host, how she's feeling.

Like, is she happy with, it's like, does she want us to be more low key today?

Right, right, right.

Like the energy. I constantly, you're an energy person.
person yeah so i read energy and i'm a good guest i got invited to my friend's birthday party on her 40 million dollar yacht it was really nice and i had never been on a private yacht i've never done that before i've i grew up on cruises. Neither have I.
Well, it's your next. Were you by yourself or was wrong? No, it was nine girls total, including my host.
And she had sailed for two years straight during COVID around the world. And then she took a break.
And then this was her first girls trip. It was always been with her family and a couple like friends pop and you know everyone gets like a week.
When rich girls get together

do they bring man candy?

No. No no no.
It's not like that.

It's not like that. I don't know.
Like White Lotus?

So the whole trip

I haven't seen White Lotus yet but

everyone kept referencing

we were all White Lotus somehow

and like we'd walk it like I'm like oh is someone

like doesn't someone get murdered or something I'm sure.

But no it's

not like that. And by the way not all the

guests are like super wealthy it's a wide range so but all of us who's the poorest person yeah like i'm closer to being the poorest but like no that's not true it's like the discrepancy from her to us is so extreme so no matter how much you have, you're still every second is exciting because you walk on and the girls are insane. They're so gorgeous and beautiful.
And they always have a different water, like a different flavored, you know, seltzer water that they made for you and a cold towel. And you're like, oh, this is like fancy.
And then if you go to the dock, you're like, oh, I want to jump in the water. There's always someone there ready to put on like a you know like a sleeve for you okay i think i'm getting angry and they like it's crazy every day there's baskets of like sunscreen for me like just like a brand new sunscreen is like well i don't know and it's a basket of 30 i officially hate my life right now but continue crazy continue and the chef cooks chef cooks breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
Well, of course. And it's just like, I just kept saying like, I would be such a great billionaire.
I'd be such a generous billionaire. You would.
You'd be giving out cars. I would be.
For sure. I would crush.
And like all my friends would be on this boat full time. And I got home at one last night.
And it's a rough transition rough transition, but I'm set. This is the best one.

The best transition to be with you guys.

Speaking of good guests, what happened with Chanel?

Oh, okay.

So you're not going to give me a little wellness check and see how my week went.

I just get all the smoke.

This is your wellness check, Cynthia.

Yeah, let's trip on the boat, Crystal, on the yacht.

And then Cynthia, yeah.

So what was the smoke with you and Chanel?

She came in hot.

She came in hot.

You know what?

She did.

She did. You threw up on the boat, Crystal, on the yacht.
And then Cynthia, yeah. So what was the smoke with you on Chanel? Chanel was.

She came in hot.

Did she not?

She came in hot.

You know what?

She did.

She did.

We had a little thing to squash.

I don't want to call it beef.

This episode came out yesterday.

Yes.

Yes.

If you guys haven't watched it, please watch it.

I heard it sounds like an episode of Housewives.

Well, we went back and forth. We went back and forth.
And I you know chanel is well i know that she's a big personality i you know am a personality but i usually stay out of the smoke i usually find a way all this all these years i found a way to kind of dodge the landmines and just be good and we had some things we just needed to discuss and i'm not going to go into detail because I literally just don't even have the strength. Did you squash her? Hardest.
Yeah. We did.
I feel like we did. Did you know that she was coming in here with some stuff to unpack? It didn't surprise me because I felt like you know we had a conversation off camera obviously and I apologized.
I apologized publicly. I apologized.
I apologized. I set her up in a hotel like i was like we were good we're having what did she say you did wrong no no she oh you're just gonna make me talk about this give me the give me the give me the short version oh my god crystal can you just say i just cannot even talk about it anymore because it's out and now it's gonna be everywhere and i'm like it wasn't even that serious or that deep it was just a situation where something was said at Bravo Fest.
I heard her feelings, but she has been in that exact situation before. I actually have a whole new situation that just happened this morning that I'm kind of in the hot seat with again.
So I did literally come in hot this morning, but you just explain because I just don't have the energy. Yes.
So at Bravo Fest, Cyndia was on with some of the girls from the show and they had, you know, like Andy always asks you these shady questions. Who's the worst dressed housewife? Who's the ugliest housewife? Who's the whatever? Terrible, terrible.
The ugliest housewife? I'm just exaggerating, but yeah. Far, not far.
They're like, yeah. Who looks the most different without makeup? Like, yeah, like that's essential if you're ugly or not.? Who looks whatever.
Who needs a new stylist? Yeah. Like, all that stuff.
All those things. But they asked the panel who was the most annoying housewife.
And it was actually Phaedra that came up with Chanel. But it's like, you know, it's like collective answers.
And you want to move fast, right? Yeah, but we were a group. Yeah.
So like, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what offended Chanel? Yes.
And Chanel called me. Her being the most obnoxious? No, the word was annoying.
Annoying. So she called me upset.
But backstory. In Phaedra's defense, at BravoCon, not BravoFest, okay? BravoCon, Chanel was asked the shady question of who is the worst dressed housewife.
And she said Phaedra. So of course Phaedra is going to get her leg back at some point.
And the opportunity presented itself. So what is Chanel upset about? Because she co- whatever.
A co-sign. I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay, answer. They're like, oh, who would sleep with Cynthia's ex-husbands? And, you know, Portia had the answers.
Like, who's, like, whatever. Yeah.
So that's what happened. So she called me, it's very sad it's like I you know you know I know she's your girl but what's going on I thought we were cool I was like dude it's not that serious I said I'm sure she didn't come up with your name and then I tried to I'm always like you know trying to be like everyone's friend I'm like you know what now they're talking about this is good even if I did come up with the name the point is we're all in a position to be asked shady questions and have to pick somebody.
No, just like if she's annoying. I was like, oh, it's great.
You know, it means they're talking about you. I've been called annoying before.
Thank you. She has a big personality.
People have big personalities sometimes can be annoying. I said you're a big personality and I said whatever.
She doesn't bat a thousand. You know, she says some shit.
Lots of times it lands. It's pretty funny.
That's right. You know? It's not that big.
Might not be for everybody. No, she doesn't bat a thousand.
So then it became a little bit of a thing. No one bats a thousand.
No one does. Well.
With all the years I've been on Housewives, with all the shit I've been called, I would graciously take annoying. Like, that is such low-hanging fruit for me.
I'm like, okay, good. We can move on.

Like, I literally wouldn't even care.

That's what she's all upset about?

Why are you catching heat in the comments?

Oh, well.

During the squashing.

And honestly, like, I knew she was going to be, like, high energy when she came on.

But, and I brought it up.

I mean, I'm like, hey, let's talk about it.

Because I knew it was going to be talked about.

And I kind of thought it was going to be like, well, this would happen.

But we love each other now.

That's sort of how I deal with things.

But it got slightly more I knew it was going to be talked about. And I kind of thought it was going to be like, well, this would happen, but we love each other now.
That's sort of how I deal with things. But it got slightly more heated because it was a little bit more like, well, that's not what happened.
And so I was a little surprised, but Cynthia was very clear. Well, actually what happened? And I don't know why you're going to heat.
I'm actually shocked because like, but I was there. Well, you were there.
So do you feel like I came in too hot or do you feel like she came in oh i was very clear with her when she called me she goes cynthia came in hot i was like well you need to bring context this is humble brag all we do is sit and talk shit about ourselves on that's right i mean we literally are the safest place for anyone to come on our show she knows and she admitted it i go no no you were a 10 she was a two and i did raise up to meet her where she was at. Someone's yelling at me.
You know, hell yeah. But it was like all up.
I had look, I think she's great TV. I think she's great.
I have a lot of love for Chanel. I really am glad that we are hopefully on the other side.
Shut up, Nick. I'm glad we're on the other side and I'm glad we squashed it.
But it was all love. But for me, it's like the thing that I like about Humble Rag is we really don't really ever have a beef with anyone on here.
We actually bring on people that we're usually good with. And I thought, you know what? This will be fun.
And I think in your defense, you thought, oh, yeah, squash that beef. This is going to be so cute.
Yeah, that was cute. We're just going to just like really like really lovingly and kindly you know kind and just be super sweet and squashing i haven't filmed in a year i forget how intense housewives can be yeah can i tell you a little rusty like that thing as it started off like literally like nothing and it escalated into a complete inferno and crystal sitting there was like yeah crystal meme.
Oh, my God. This is what it's like filming this show.
Go check it out now. Have you seen the drama that your ex-co-star has been in with her hairstylist? Oh, yes, I have.
In fact, I kind of got into it a little bit. How? Where do you stand? Well, I feel like people need to pay their bills.
And so, like, that's my... What, is that, like, edgy? I think you should pay you stand well I don't I feel like people need to pay their bills and so like that's my what is that like edgy I think you should pay your bills I mean inhale I don't know I'm like pay your bills and also like you guys know I'm not I can be quite cheap so it's like I don't I don't want to buy something like you know whatever I pay people's services like you pay them but sometimes the good people in the service industry your stylist your makeup artist your hairdressers every once in a while they are a little dramatic sometimes so i will say i watched a little gossipy yeah i watched his whole nine minute thing and he did admit though that it was actually paid there was a misunderstanding yeah so I do feel like he actually told the whole story.

He did.

In truth.

He did.

He definitely did take his time.

He gave the people a good context.

Sure.

So Dorit, Tracy Tudor went on Jeff Lewis and kind of was like, she doesn't pay her bills.

Based on my knowledge, there are several people that haven't been paid by her, including my

stylist, who I think just tallied up with finally and her makeup artist.

So she's like throwing shade things.

She doesn't pay her bills, whatever. So then Dorit goes and watch what happens live.
Andy asks her about it. Dorit squashes it.
She's like, there's nothing to it. It's hysterical.
That's the funniest thing I've ever heard. Like wholeheartedly, there's a whole lot of shit that's said.
I don't know. It came out of left field.
So then her hairstylist goes and makes this nine minute long video. Takes very long to get to the point of like, yeah, by the way, like it was paid for and it really wasn't that big of a deal.
Oh my God. Yeah, so he did say that.
So I feel like it was, I think the part of the hotel bill was paid, but then she hadn't paid for his services yet. I mean, four months is a long time not to pay.
She did end up what it sounded like squaring up. But I think it's also like, Tracy probably just doesn't like, I love Tracy, by the way.
So like we're really good friends. But I just think that there's just like history of, you know, rumors that Doree doesn't pay certain bills.
I remember last, my last reunion, she didn't pay her nurse who, she did some kind of cosmetic surgery, a private nurse. So that came up at the reunion.
I'm just saying that because that came up already.

But then she settled up after that.

So maybe she just...

Maybe she's like a net 90 girl.

Maybe she just...

Does she not pay the bill or does she pay it late?

Like, there's two different things.

Because it sounds like these people are getting paid,

but maybe not in a timely...

Not on their timeline.

She's moving things around.

My biggest shocker was when her stylist

showed the receipts and he kind of went through all the various jobs. She gets glam for everything.
It's like Lakers game, do and go. I saw that.
Lakers game. We can't put it up in a bun and wear a chunky sweater? Two blocks down.
Yeah, but that's why her bill's so high. Your photo's going to be taken.
Stop it. My photo photo's taken all the time I know I know but like if you're gonna be out and about like honestly and you think that your photo's gonna be taken and you don't know how everyone every housewife doesn't know how to do their own glam I'm very upset I feel like you've spent so much time with me already I thought I've taught you stuff oh to be cheap what do you mean by your own glam no no no I'm good at my own glam she'saker game.
She's going to glam. I know, but I wouldn't go to a Laker glam.
I wouldn't go to a Lakers game without makeup on. I wouldn't do it.
Straight, straight, straight dumb mail here. Is there a difference between doing your makeup and doing your glam? No, it's the same thing.
But glam doesn't. No, it is.
Glam comes to you to do it for you. Doing your own makeup, you just do it yourself.
And I do it myself a lot, but I will say a lot of the housewives that I work with,

like I did myself this morning.

Oh my God. And you look, damn.
Thank you.

Yeah, she's really good at it. So I'm good, but

everyone is not good at doing their makeup, so

they have to depend on glam. And if you can

afford it and if you want your glam to come and do

you every time you walk out the door, then

let your glam do you every time you

walk out the door. I'm not mad at it.
I'm not

going to do it. Like, I'll do my own when I can.
What billionaires? Yeah. What's that? Yeah.
But even that, no one's getting glam on the boat. Like, I don't know.
Why are you spending that kind of money? It's absurd. Yeah, but you don't have paparazzi on the boat like you guys were like.
Girl, I go to a Dodger, a Laker game, a Rams game every week. I'm not getting glam for it.
That's insane. Who spends that kind of money? Like, you're not like that.
Like, you'll put a little bit on, but you're not. Makeup is not your thing.
And actually, I don't think Dorita does. I don't think she wears a lot of makeup.
I just find that kind of a ridiculous expense. That's unnecessary.
That's personal. If you are taking days.
Here's the thing. Do I think his video was kind of long-winded to get there? Yes.
However, I understand as an individual service provider, if you are being accused of essentially stealing someone's credit card, you're going to defend yourself as well. Right.
She said he used it without he wasn't allowed to use it. Right.
Authorization. Yeah.
If I was a credit card, that's what she said. He used my credit card without authorization.
That is accusing someone of stealing money. I mean, that's a big accusation too.
On national television. Yeah.
So I actually appreciated it because he was honest. He's like, I, well, from what I, I mean, I'm taking it as honesty, is that he said it was actually paid.
I didn't know, but she never paid me until about for the glam stuff, not the hotel stuff. So it was clearly misunderstanding on that part, but accusing someone of using your credit card also.
And maybe that's her experience. I don't know, but...
The last time you spoke, I went to read it through a reunion. Yeah.
So you hate her. I don't hate her.
You hate her. She's a co-worker.
Like these girls like... Nick is so messy.
I don't give a... He's gaslighter.
Why are you such a gaslighter? I mean... Gaslighter.
That was a question. She could be like, no.
Do you hate her guts? He's a gaslighter. He's a hater.
He's a hater. No, I don't hate her.
I don't hate any of these people. I actually really respect all the girls who do Housewives.
It's such a tough job. It's so hard.
I have so much respect. They put a lot of effort.
Her to blast her kid's father on television for a year it's like that's intense like you gotta

really you're working for your paycheck for that one because you know your kids are gonna watch that one day you know I would not do that personally but like yeah I also respect that you have to like pay your bills I mean I just think her bills are high they're high bills like I just would not for those kinds of things it's not my thing just going back to the glam stuff really quickly. For me i think that when like because we have like people that get us together all the time so when we have people in our circle i feel like it really sucks if they're gonna like blast you on social media if you're late paying a bill like i've definitely had glam where it's like i get glammed up and i forget i'm like oh shit i gotta pay them they'll like text me.
And then you just pay it. But like I would hate to like be two days late and be like, oh, you know.
That would be weird if someone was two days late. Yeah.
It sounded like this went on for a while. It sounded like four months.
He said four months. That's a long time.
Okay. Well, that's a whole.
Yeah. That's a whole other situation.
I just want to like sometimes people just want to blast celebrities like celebrities are like. I keep DMing Doris to come on the show, and she keeps reading it, and she keeps not responding.
Shut up. Is that true? No.
Wait, what? I thought, aren't you blocked? Oh, no, it's Jeff. Jeff is blocked.
Jeff's blocked? I'm not blocked. Yeah, Jeff's blocked.
I'm not blocked. And Nick has even been openly about, like, how much he's attracted to her.
Oh, wow. She still wasn't responding.
That would bring me in. Someone said they were attracted to me.
I'm like, okay, thanks so much. I promise you a good time.
It is a good time here. I mean, the podcast.
It's a good time here. It's a good time.
It's a good time. I love that.
It's a safe space. I promise her a safe space.
That's funny. She keeps reading it.
But I don't think it's her. You don't think she's checking her DM? No.
I don't think she's on social media like that. That's not like hidden news.
She's one of those girls who are like, don't read it. Some people just don't read that stuff.
So I don't know if that's her, to be honest. Who are you talking to these days of the cast? I talked to Garcelle yesterday.
Sutton? Yeah, I saw Sutton a couple weeks ago. How's she doing? I don't know.
I think she's, you know. I talked to Cynthia.
Oh, okay. I'm on a boat.
I have like all my friends. She's on a yacht.
Yeah. Like I said, like they're all, like I would be totally fine in a room with any of them.
I just, it's like coworkers and, you know, and some lean slightly more towards friends. But I also have my.
Oh, I talked about you. Wait a minute.
I just, it's like co-workers and, you know, and some lean slightly more towards friends.

But I also have my...

Wait a minute. I talked about

you with your Alex

Baskin. Oh, Alex.
Alex.

Oh, yeah. I did a show with him.
Oh, he texted me.

Yeah, he's great. We talked about you.
I was like,

well, Crystal is

fired up and... I'm having dinner with him

this week. Oh, good.
Has Alex been on the show?

He's not. No.
He was great.

He has a lot of shows that he's working

on right now, too. Alex is the king of Broadway.
Yeah. No, I realized that.
He's the king of Broadway. It's cool.
That was my first time meeting him. Raw Housewives of Atlanta is back.
It is. Better than ever.
It is. Whoa, it's good.
I mean... I'm fairly new to it.
I've seen episodes here and there, but I'm just starting to get into it. Okay, so are you caught up with season 16 season i'm caught up but i'm not like i'm caught up but i'm not like quite following yet but you don't know a lot of history you know learning the history husbands he needs he needs like the the family tree absolutely obsessed that that charles oakley i know that's part of the cast did not know that uh huge uh huge basketball fan of the 90s oh yes he dominated so thought that was pretty cool I was like who is this Silver Fox coming into the scene Charles Oakley it's Charles Oakley yeah basketball that was pretty cool I was very excited about that what can we expect this season you know I think you guys can expect for it to be a very unpredictable season there's a lot of ups and downs things just kind of go crazy but I think you guys can expect for it to be a very unpredictable season.
There's a lot of ups and downs.

Things just kind of go crazy.

But I think it's a new season.

I think it's very fresh.

I think the energy is very different.

I think the newest, I think it's the right balance of new blood and old blood.

And I think you guys are definitely in for a treat.

Who are you closest with?

Well, I am pretty much in a good place with all of the ladies. I did have a little conflict with.
Drew, I spoke to Drew this morning. She was a little tipped about something I said in one of my confessionals.
What did you say? Oh, Lord. Why do I have to keep going? Well, I was going to ask.
I'm already having a hard day. I was going to ask, where are you on the dentist of it all? Do you, are you on Portia's or Drew's side? I am on Portia's side with that situation because I 100%, 1,000% would never work with any of these ladies.
Exes. Fathers of their children, exes, booze.
Like if I have any affiliation with these ladies, for the most part in a serious way, if I've had a child with you or if I've been married to you, there's no way that I would want any of these ladies to be on my show shooting scenes with them for whatever reason.

Like, I just think that's kind of crossing the line.

They want to work outside of the show, which I wouldn't even do that personally, is one thing.

But coming on platform as well is kind of like, OK, now you're just like, like now it's just weird. Yeah.
I fully agree. And not cool.
That's you can't, I agree too. That's rough.
Yeah. And especially drew calling him her angel from heaven.
Her Lord. It was a little, a little triggering.
Yeah. Was drew mad about the fib or two? Yes.
Three or four or five. I know.
She was like, really? So I woke up to that. And then like the whole Humble Break interview is out.
So I usually try to, I choose peace. I don't really want smoke.
And Miss Bailey has been getting a lot of smoke this morning. You know, at least it's all together.
Just like get through today. So I'm not going to get some smoke.
So I have to check my phone because Drew's going to definitely like, you know, give me some smoke today on Instagram. And I don't really play on Instagram.
I usually just do my stuff like professionals, get in and get out. So I'm expecting a little smoke bomb from Drew today because I said that.
You think even though she like texted you personally. She texted and I just called her.
But that's a good question. Then she'll still go online? I didn't finish watching all the show yet but what I said was I was like Drew has never lied to me however and I don't know if they took that part out whatever which is a big part to keep in for the rest of the conversation so I'm going to watch it again but at this point I'm like girl just light me up you know what come for Cynthia Day.
Let's go. Hopefully, she's not going to light me up too bad.
Because if she does, then I got to come back later up again. And I choose bees.
I don't want any Drew smoke. You really think after squashing it privately, she's going to take it publicly to Instagram? Oh, absolutely.
This is Atlanta, baby. This is Atlanta Housewives for sure.

She's not going to let it go.

So why even bother reaching out?

Well, I actually appreciate,

like if there's a bomb coming my way,

I actually like to be told.

I don't want to just be minding my business.

Can I tell you?

And all of a sudden I'm like, wait a minute.

Why am I being called up?

I agree.

I would rather have that direct

because I would just see it online.

And then no one says anything. So it's constantly like passive aggressive and fear based everything.
That's true. Where this is like direct.
Like, yo, I didn't like that. And it's like, but.
She's like, I got to give you a little smoke, Miss Bailey. I was like, all right, just bring it on.
But the smoke is to like promote the show. And it's all part of the game, right? I gave her a sparkler.
I threw a little sparkler on the fire. Hopefully I'm not going to get a bomb back.
I don't know what she's going to say, but I think the best response would be, I honestly don't care. That is not the best response.
Oh my God. It absolutely is the best response.
I mean, you can feel that way, but I mean, I don't, I think my response is just going to be, you know, the go-to, look, sorry, fun shade. Sorry.
You know, I didn't put any extra hot sauce on it. I just basically.
What if you just say, oopsie. Yeah, oops.
My bad. Sorry, my bad.
I mean, I love Drew. It looks like they cut out the first part of that.
So it's you saying it wouldn't be the first time she's been part of it. Of course they cut off the first part.
Which would have made it all better for part that she never lied to me? And I said it a hundred times.

I'm telling you.

Of course you did.

I said in that confession,

I said,

but she's never lied to me.

Drew has never lied to me.

And I was like,

okay.

And then what's the part

that made the cut?

Well, it's like,

well, but she has been caught

with the other ladies

and a fib.

And I didn't want to say

Is that true?

I didn't even want to say

the word lie.

I didn't even say lie.

I said fib.

But the part that made it

because I thought it was softer.

The part that made the cut

still true, correct?

Oh, according to the other ladies.

Absolutely.

Okay.

So then what's the problem?

Well, the problem? The problem is I chimed in on it. I guess I should have just sat in my confessional and not said anything.
I thought I was helping her. She's never liked me.
She's apparently being caught in line with some other ladies. It is what it is.
That's what the show is. Yeah.
It's silly. And what's the big, because I know this was happening in the off season, but the revenge porn situation.

Oh, God.

Okay.

I can't even go there with you right now.

Are you not even allowed?

Child, we're not even.

That's so far down the line.

We have to come back for that.

It's still part of the season.

Will that be part of the season?

Yes, it will.

Okay.

Yes.

Okay.

I mean, wait, wait, wait.

Will it be a part?

It's going to be a dress.

That's the whole thing. I don't know what they're going to show.
I don't know how much you guys, wait. Will it be a part? It's going to be a dress.
That's the whole thing.

I don't know what they're going to show. I don't know how much you guys

will see. Do you have a side?

I do have a side on that

as well. I would

never do that to anyone. I

did not feel like

it was a good look for anyone involved.

Especially Kenya,

who is my friend,

who I've known forever and had a great relationship with. I just didn't think that it looked good for her to do that, basically.
And I just couldn't support it. So, I'll leave it right there.
That was a gentle way of saying it. Is there anything else? Is there any more smoke that I can get on here today? What? You are.
That was a gentle way. I'm sorry.
Is this not a Bravo podcast where we talk about tea and rumors? Oh, my God. You're just like, he stirs the pie.
I mean. We got to bring you on Humble Break.
We try to sugarcoat stuff and be nice about stuff. You just come in.
This room is tough. We threw out revenge porn all over a party.
Yeah, I don't know. Are we supposed to be gentle with that? I mean, it's your friend.
I'm just saying it. No, she said it was not good.
I don't even want to call it revenge porn. That was said, but I don't think that's what it was.
Like, I don't feel like that's what it was. It was something that was just over the top and hugely inappropriate.
Oh, gotcha. And something that I don't think should have happened and something that I don't support and something I certainly would not have done.
But I don't want to say it was revenge. Come on.
So I don't need any extra smoke. I'm not have.
I don't need no Kenya smoke right now. No Kenya smoke.
No, I got no people on my today. Do you ever bring the smoke or are you smoke free?

I try to be smoke free, but it does not obviously work out for me that well.

I get pulled into the smoke.

And for some reason, when like these girls, especially Atlanta, like they come in with

Uzis, you know what I'm saying?

They will like light you up.

And then I throw a tiny little bomb in and it's like all eyes on me like well what is cynthia said i'm like wait a minute everybody's like dead already i literally threw a bomb on a dead body already you guys killed everybody but for some reason when i chime in it just ends up being like well wait a minute because it's unexpected forget what everybody else is saying well you're the most probably thoughtful and delicate and so when you do say something it like it feels like less reactive and more like thought through i don't know i don't know if that's right but i will just say that the ladies and just in general i'm just not like hey i'm gonna just come for everybody i'm like lighting everybody up that's not my personality on the show that is not space at all. Who do you think has that personality? And I really don't even like to ever say anything negative about my castmates, to be honest.
I mean, if they're coming for me, if they're just coming for me guns blazing, then I have to defend myself always, but I'm not, I don't have fun, like, you know, talking shit about my castmates, to be honest. You're worried about Drew today? Mm-hmm.
What if I come to your defense in the comments? I will be checking my Instagram. What if I go to war with Drew? When I get off the phone.
When I get it done with this interview, I will be checking Instagram. But I think it was fair, right? She's going to be nice, hopefully.
Drew texted you and was like, it was fair, right? You felt it was fair? She basically was like, oh, okay. Saw your confessional.
I was like, oh shit. But when you said...
I was hoping she didn't see it, but of course she's like, what? I know. Maybe she got up to use the bathroom during my part.
Like, I don't know. Like, I was hoping like, Lord, please let her miss it.
She was on her phone scrolling. She's mindless.
She didn't see it. And then I almost thought about calling her and saying, hey.
I said, you know, I gave you a little smoke in the confessional. But I was like, you know what? I haven't heard anything.
Everything's really quiet. Maybe somehow.
Like, she didn't even see the episode. Not that big of a deal, yeah.
Of course you saw the episode. She was like, good morning.
I was like, oh, God. Good morning.
I was kind of excited. I saw the episode.
I saw your professional. I saw this weirdest thing.
So if there's a little smoke bomb that comes your way. But isn't it funny? Because you do it so long ago, so you kind of forget the things that you say.
I honestly forgot. And I really felt like they would have just done me that solid and kept my little, like, disclaimer I know what show do I think I'm on I know it's crazy but it made it funny yeah but I watched it this morning I was like I think it's gonna no I think people love to see me squirm it's just such an uncomfortable place for me what do you guys think uh last time before we uh we let you ladies go but what do you guys think about Housewives Fake quitting or walking off Or suggesting they're quitting Are there of you familiar with the internal drama Are you talking about Tamara? No that's a little different because obviously Teddy With what Teddy's going through our hearts go out Talking about Salt Lake City Lisa Barlow Lisa Barlow is Took it out of her Instagram, and then she was filming again or something? Yeah, so like first it was like they were all filming without Lisa and Meredith.
And it was like, ooh, are they not on this season? Then she removes Salt Lake City from her Instagram bio. And then we see her and Meredith filming.
So... Wasn't it about money? It was a contract negotiation? We don't know.
Couldn't know, but I guess my question to you is like, how performative do you feel like these walkouts or these cryptic posts of like, oh, I'm finally done here. Like, do you think it's real? I mean, or do you think it's performative? I feel like I think it's a mix.
I feel like with Tamara, I mean, obviously, given what's going on with Teddy, Teddy's fighting for her life. Her hearts go out to her.
I couldn't imagine being in Tamara's shoes. I know Tamara's obviously been very, you know, various seasons have been messy, but like when your co-host is literally fighting for her life and you're filming Housewives, it feels also unnecessary and unserious.
No, I mean, the reason I brought her up was because I thought I couldn't believe people were giving her shit about it because I didn't want people to do that because she's struggling so much. You know, so I texted her.
I said, look, like you got to just do whatever's right for you each day. It's like it's all too much.
It's so intense right now. And, you know, Teddy and I have so many mutual friends.
It's really, really an intense situation. But in terms of Salt Lake, I don't know.
I mean, I guess a good housewife is erratic and emotional and spontaneous. Maybe that's how they feel.
It's like the opposite of my personality. I would wait until every single contract is signed until I make any moves like that.
But it certainly created buzz, right? And maybe it helped her get her contract signed. If that was it, I have no idea.
have you ever had to search for a quote to post it a quote like a what was the what was the quote that meredith put up justin well so basically whitney posted on her instagram story saying when you know you know don't second guess it you were right in the first place and you knew all along so act off your instinct that meredith were posted that's that's in response to lisa fake quitting. Who posted that? Whitney.
Whitney was basically like, don't second guess yourself. Keep on walking.
Keep on leaving. Meredith posted in red font on her story saying, don't walk in front of me.
I may not follow. Don't walk behind me.
I may not lead. Walk beside me.
Just be my friend, Albert. Albert now I feel like that's actually shade towards Lisa

we don't know

if I'm reading

between the lines

and with Meredith

I love that we have

to figure this all out

and they just don't

say what they're

trying to say

it's so dramatic

is that

like would Atlanta

just say what they

need to say

and not like be so

I don't think

it would ever do that

do they have to quote

Robert Frost

Atlanta don't do quotes

we don't

they just

they just come in

they don't do Pinterest

they just come in

they create quotes they just say what they have to say. But going back to the quitting thing, for me, if I walked away from the show or quit the show, I don't know if I had any doubt about, like, if I wanted to go back.
I don't think I would post about it. I just think I would just do it.
And if they hear about it, it is what it is. So I don't.
I think there's something about doing it and then posting that seems a little performative. Yeah, so maybe it's performative and now it's the topic of what filming.
That quote almost from Meredith is, I feel like it seems to be directed at Lisa because it's kind of like, don't walk in front of me. I'm not a follower.
I'm not going to go behind you or in front of you. Let's do this together.
And Lisa's been her friend and now it's like is Lisa like not negotiating a good face? By the way, that's what they're setting up for the drama. It's like easy drama that they can now film.
So maybe that's what it was for. It doesn't seem like a big deal.
But that's giving jump the shark. I don't need you to fake quit to give me drama.
I wouldn't fake quit just because I wouldn't want my bosses to see me fake quit. I think that's a problem.
I don't know. That's to me.
Then you gotta fake go back. Yeah, that's embarrassing.
I don't know. You gotta fake quit and then you gotta go back.
Is Storming Off ever staged? Yeah. Really? Storming Off? Like a reunion? Yeah.
Of course it is. And by stage, is that coming from that coming from you don't have to come back but there's no producers being like you should if you if you feel so compelled to walk off oh no no no no no that's never it's never not like a personal plan i think that's a personal plan no i don't think producers want you to walk off i mean i think if they do they're happy because it creates a little more you know like it's like a commercial break yeah you know but no i don't i mean but no producer to ever say that to me because they know i wouldn't walk off that's not my personality but you know i think it's performative yeah i would never want to walk off but if i was in a situation where i needed a minute then i i would like the option to walk off if i wanted to but it's just never happened yeah and then it's then it's like, is it even worth it? I was going to say, have you seen that? Allegedly, Kyle walks off at the reunion twice.
Have you heard that? Oh, she has? Just right here. Yeah.
I'm not. Yeah.
I think she's walked off before. Probably.
Yeah. But she comes back.
She's bad circulation. That's the thing.
So it's like you walk off. I swear to God, if next season we're still talking about her and Mo's separation, I'm going to lose it.
I think maybe for the rest of our lives. Are they not getting divorced because of money? Oh, God, I don't know.
That I don't know. What do you suspect? Divorce money.
I mean, a lot of people don't get divorced. It's a constant conversation in my world.
People don't get divorced because it's so expensive. So even if they don't, I don't know if it like i mean that's just a marriage is a business guys you know it's not i mean you can love someone and not be married you can love someone be married but marriage is a business at the end of the day and they've built a massive business together so if they don't get divorced i don't think it's you know but just say that then be like hey we're together for the money well i don't think anyone wants it you just it's well yeah i guess you could say that like we don't want to get divorced because it's too think anyone wants it.
Well, yeah, I guess you could say that. Like, we don't want to get divorced

because it's too expensive and we're happy in our

situation. I guess you could do that.
But then

how would you have a whole season

of drama? Yeah, she has to be like

a bed about the girls in the airport.

Now it's not dramatic. Now it's just like, oh,

we're pretending to do this again.

Well, I guess maybe we have to wait

until they do that next season.

I don't know. I mean, I can't say that I'm really watching it.
So I don't know. But I feel bad when I watch the scenes together.
I'm not interested in someone's divorce. I find that like.
It is sad to watch their scenes together. Yeah, I don't want to watch anyone divorce.
I feel really bad when I watch the scenes. I don't know why.
Like I just like root for them like somehow. But I get it if it's done.
You know what I mean? I mean, I've been divorced twice. So I get it if it's over.
But I don't know. Yeah.
I just think I put myself and hurt their kids. I don't like to see them together anymore if they're not going to be together.
Yeah. If they're not going to be together, I just don't want to see them together on TV because it's just, it makes me want, it gives me hope.
It does. Like, oh, okay, look at them having coffee together.
No, because they don't have chemistry on screen together. And it's like, oh, you know.
Yeah. It's like, so.
But but you know the fact that they're filming together maybe

there is something

who knows

or they're just

used to their

lives being so

played out

I don't know

on TV

I don't know

but

yeah I think

it'll be forever

well it's always

great catching

up with you too

excited to hear

what's going on

and I'm gonna

check out that

humble brag episode

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Nick

you love the mess

like

he loves the mess

I'm shocked you're getting

heat for it

I really really am

like this is what

I'll defend you

in the comments

this is like our fourth guess

like

it was like our fourth

or fifth guess

this was

this was

we love it

I know

he was excited

I guess

we're very excited

for the season

of Atlanta

thank you

and rooting for you

and all this stuff

please do

Thank you. I love it.
I know. Yes.
He was excited about it. I guess.
It was a good show. We're very excited for the season of Atlanta.

Thank you.

And rooting for you and all this stuff.

Please do.

Keep me in prayer.

Oh, well, we absolutely will. So, you're going to be fine.

You are a queen.

You look great.

Everything about you is great.

No one ever worries about you, girl.

I'm just having a day today.

You are.

We're going to cuddle you later.

And you know I don't like to touch anybody.

So, that's a big deal. Oh, my God.
Crystal's going to touch me. You know I'm having a fucked up day if Crystal's going to actually touch me.
Well check out Humble Brag everyone if you haven't already. It's the doozy of an episode.
They're all incredible episodes and it's available wherever you get your podcasts. So check it out.
Thanks guys. Thank you.
Love you guys. Well excited to watch more Atlanta Housewives according to Cynthia.
They're less passive aggressive. I'm here for it.
This is also the perfect time for you to be watching Nick because it's kind of like their revamp season where they brought back a lot of the old cast and then also brought in new people. I feel like Phaedra's not really been like.
She comes in later. She's still unmarried to medicine.
From an audience standpoint, what happened when they were filming was the whole Kenya situation. She leaves, they bring Phaedra in, but Phaedra was filming Married to Medicine.
So it's like there's a transition period that's going to happen. Okay.
Yeah. And then I don't know if we want to talk about it, but Carolyn commented on her cut down that we posted.
Oh, yeah. Saying that she now doesn't like Tom Sandoval anymore.
Huh? Okay, wait. So on the cut down that we made of Carolyn talking about Tom Sandoval and how she feels like she's the female version of him, she commented yesterday saying, I take everything I said about Tom back.
He sucks and he's not forgiven despite what the online version US Weekly cover says with a dancing emoji. Well, what did he do? That's all she said.
Does she want to come on here in a moment? We might need to reach out and see what could have possibly happened over the weekend that she felt so inclined to comment that. Oh my God.
I know. Tea.
Tea. All right.
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Tasha, welcome to the show. Hey, thank you.
How are you? Thanks for having me. I'm pretty good.
How are you doing? Are we pretty good? No, I'm so good. So good.
St. Patrick's Day, so I'm feeling pretty thrilled.
It is St. Patrick's Day.
She's wearing green. I'm wearing green, Natalie.
You're not wearing green. This is super awkward super awkward.
Nick, because I asked Nick, should I wear green? And he said, well, this comes out tomorrow, so it won't be St. Patrick's Day.
Well, it doesn't matter. So he was praying on my downfall.
I got this shirt yesterday. I wasn't planning on wearing it.
Then I put on a darker shirt. It was like a forest.
It was like mossy green. Okay.
But that's not as fun. No.
And then we got some butter on it this morning.

Oh.

You're a butter guy.

I always get toothpaste on my shirts.

I was having eggs and then I was giving my daughter some of my eggs.

Then there was a piece of butter on the plate that kind of looked like eggs.

Picked that up, gave it to my daughter.

I was like, oop, can't do that.

My bad.

Spit it out.

Spit it out, girl.

Then she spit it out and then spit it on my shirt. No.
Got some butter on the shirt and then I'm like, well, it is St. Patrick's Day.
Okay. You changed.
I changed and here we are. So God's on the side.
That's great. Love that.
Love that. Where are you originally from? I'm from San Luis Obispo, California.
So up the coast about three hours. It says here where Dylan Efron lived.
Yes. It's the place that you guys did not know what he was saying.
Yeah, because it does. Did you know Dylan Efron growing up? I know Zach Efron.
Dylan went to school. I don't know.
Yeah, Dylan does have a brother named Zach. Hi, Dylan.
Hi, Dylan. No, he went to my, what's it called? Rival.
Rival, there we go. Rival High School.
He went to AG and I went to Slow. So, Okay.
There you go. Yes.
I do feel like. Like a real high school musical.
No. Literally.
Like we hate AG and they hate Slow. Oh, wow.
So. Okay.
Yeah. I do feel like the name of your town is a bunch of just letters jumbled together.
Yeah. Everyone's like Sembo Scudisco.
Yeah. That's how I feel too.
Perfect. How I feel too.
I'm Bidusa Bidusa. Sembo Scudisco.
Are you currently. Do you live in Nashville now? I do live in Nashville.
You doashville yes i just bought a place there in august my first big girl purchase thank you oh my god it's very exciting um live alone for the first time that's fun how is it love oh my god i don't see myself ever living with someone except when i find someone but well yes of course yes of course i remember the transition from roommate to no roommate and it is very much like oh wow I got scared a little bit because I'm like it's such like a big mature move you know as like a young woman like living on your own for the first time but it was necessary like I feel good about it it's so nice it's like your mess is your mess exactly it's like if you're mad at anyone that butter on the floor is my butter you don't have to On your way home, you're like, I hope Chad's not watching some show. Or has friends over on the couch.
The best thing is I do my self-tanning, you know? And you can walk around butt naked, just letting it dry. That's something I found that I really like about living alone.
It's the little things. When you had a roommate, did you label your food did you no i'm like a share i don't really care plus like i'm the type of girl that'd be like they won't mind if i have a scoop of this or like i can use their sauce if you're gonna have a roommate you have yeah i think you need some like if you're you're not meant to ever have a roommate if you label your food no and it like makes me so anxious when people when i open like a friend's fridge and it's all labeled i'm like no no can i have this no yeah can i no no you weren't sure that these were eggs i don't know you needed to tell yourself do you guys label your food in your household no no i definitely want to be that person yeah i do i want to be that organized but i don't know if i have it in me i know that he absolutely will not keep keep it up.
So it's like, do I want to every single day? Also, why? Now you want to label your food? Well, I'm just saying, like, I would love to be that person, but I feel like you won't allow me. Why would you want to label your food? Not necessarily label it, but it's like everything's in like a plastic container.
Certified. It's like, yeah, honestly.
Good job, doctor. My bad.
Certified fresh? My bad. Do you eat leftovers? Hell yeah.
What do you mean? You don't like leftovers? Not unless it's pasta. Even if you cooked it? That's such a first world problem.
It's crazy. Oh my god, absolutely.
I'm an absolute food snob. I think I'll eat leftovers when there shouldn't be ate.
Same. Some of the time I was raised, my dad is kind of like a know, he's kind of like a hippie and nothing goes bad.
He's like, no, it's fine. Like a sniff check.
Even like things that are expired. He's like, you're probably fine.
I once had a roommate eat six week old spaghetti. Jesus.
That's just wrong. No, no, no.
Wait, what type of sauce was it though? Meat sauce. Ooh.
Yeah. That's some stanky meat.
That is stanky meat. He was a heavy drinker and didn't notice so what's new with you what's going on with your life well I'm on tour with Kane Brown right now which is pretty cool I'm getting a lot of reps in arenas which is sick I love it it's so fun it's so fun having a big catwalk because I'm very much over the top performer and I love strutting my stuff out there and it's been great and then I'm working on my album getting ready for Stagecoach which I'm so excited about.
Are you performing? Yeah, main stage on Saturday. I'm stoked.
Yeah, I'm very excited. Are we so planning on going? We're planning.
It is the weekend of our anniversary of our wedding. So we're like Is our anniversary on Sunday? It is on the Sunday, yeah.
Of Stagecoach. Of Stagecoach.
So we're trying to Come on Saturday. That's perfect.
I know. We usually only do Friday and Saturday because Sunday is like we got to get back to the real world.
Sunday is everyone's so hungover. It's not even like a day.
Yeah. But that is so exciting.
How are you feeling about it? I'm feeling pretty good. It's the first time I've had the means and the production and like the budget to like do something like over the top for a performance.
I've done like TV performances and stuff that's kind of like in kind of a box like on their terms. But genuinely, it's like whatever I want to do, I can do.
And I grew up doing musical theater. So I kind of want I'm like total theater kid.
So I kind of want to do like a I don't want to give too much away, but like kind of like a western like shootout at the beginning to like open the stage up. And I'm going to have like dancers up there.
I'm going to have maybe some like lasso people up there. I don't know.
I'm still kind of shooting things into the dark but. I mean we watched I mean it was Coachella but Lana Del Rey she's playing stagecoach this year and she came in on like the backs of motorcycles and like had a whole iconic iconic because like when you think about it like a business perspective like the more crazy you get the more press you're gonna get yeah so how crazy can i get i was even thinking like can i come on come in on horseback how crazy are you willing to be i'm down for whatever you know but also like i have to understand it's like 3 30 p.m on.
Like, I'm not headlining it. So, like, let's calm down a little bit.
Right, right, right. But.
It's Saturday. Day drink.
It is Saturday. Everyone, yeah, it's going to be good.
Do you ever get nervous performing live? Oh, God, yeah. I think it's good that I get nervous, though, because it means, like, I care.
And I think it's going to stress me out more the day that I'm, like, so zen before going on stage because it means the spark. Sure, sure.
Do you feel more at home, in studio, just hitting those notes? Or do you like hitting... Hitting those notes.
Hitting those things. In that studio.
Or do you like being live? Respond a bit. Or live, just kind of like...
Dancing around, yeah. Dancing, performing, connecting with the audience.
I think because I fell in love with music through performing, through musical theater, it's definitely performing. But also, I started songwriting when I was eight years old.
And so me with a guitar just tapped in is so cool too. It's just different.
I don't know. But I feel more like myself when I'm on stage.
It's like the most badass version of myself. Totally.
Which is so fun. Did you know when Austin came out that it was going to blow up? I had a gut.
It's funny. I had a gut feeling.
My brother and I work on a lot of music together, Bardo. And I wrote the song when I had no management, like no nothing.
I just fired my entire team. Wow.
I had a mini label deal before management. And I was just like, y'all don't get what I'm doing.
Were you living in Tennessee at this or were you still I was I had I went to college in Tennessee in Nashville I came back to LA so I was living in LA at the time okay so I was writing this whole album by myself just like doing it all myself DIY and um I wrote awesome with a couple friends and I remember sending my brother the demo right as I was leaving and he like always shoots me so straight he does like not blow any smoke on my ass he's so straightforward with me. He calls me immediately and he's like, what is this song? When did you write it? And I was like, I literally wrote it today.
Like, I don't know. I'm just fucking heartbroken.
Like I'm so sad right now. And he's like, no, this is like the best song you've ever written.
And I was like, really? And so I listened to it more and more. And I was like, this is really catchy now I think about it.
And I was just like own head and so in my feels and it's a it's such like a personal song and so I wasn't really thinking of it that way um but the people's reactions like my friends and like managers that I knew showing them the song for the first time was always like girl what is this and so then I kind of started believing a little bit more and then when it blew up I was, I was like, oh, my God, they were right. It was like so surreal.

So this is based off of like an actual event that happened in your life?

Yeah.

Except I will say at the time I'd never been to Austin, Texas.

It's about Nashville.

The entire story is so true, except it's in Nashville.

But Nashville has no rhymes.

Yeah, yeah.

So as a songwriter, I was like, what can we do here?

Switch it up a little bit. Austin, I just it and uh there you go your girl was losing it so it made sense yeah did you when this song came out it blew up it's everywhere did the person that you wrote it about reach out to you oh he's fully aware i actually sent him the demo oh we had yeah um so I love right together no god no okay well we got well yeah we have um no he was like my first like real big girl heartbreak oh my god that'll fuck you up yes and I we never even dated though that's like the worst part of it all situation yeah it was like a two-year-long stretched out and I was ready.
I wanted to give him my babies. Like I was ready for this man.
You were the hopeful person. So ready, but he was so like, he had so much trauma to heal from, from his childhood, like a shitty, shitty, shitty childhood.
My song, even cowboys cry, like goes into it. His dad was in and out of prison, super poor, like grew up in like literally a one room house in Memphis.
And, but he is such a sweetheart. Like he's such a good guy.
And I knew that underneath. So he just wasn't ready for me when I was ready for him.
And then circling back, he had a girlfriend for like a year while I was doing my thing. And then like, we kind of reconnected a few months ago.
And now he was like, yo, I'm like low key ready for this now. And I'm like, sorry, man, your time's fast.
I sorry man your time's fast yeah it felt felt good but we definitely um reconnected a little bit so he's a fan of the song yeah he's a fan of my music a lot he's so supportive um the entire album's about him and he's very aware i don't care about your feelings anymore but but i will use that you said it not me i was like your face said it okay

that's exactly what happened i mean yeah for you and i'm just a girl what am i supposed to do also i love doing things for the plot like i only write about my own life and so sometimes i'm like okay i gotta write an album like i gotta i gotta do some things i purposely stir the pot a bit so you'll make toxic decisions because it might inspire you to write great songs absolutely yeah okay what was the day like when you realized holy fuck austin has taken over and it's everywhere so there was a couple days spread out so the first day that i posted that line dance video with me and my friend zoe overnight it had like two million views and that had never to me before and I was like whoa that was insane you know everyone my whole team was like buzzing it was like a team of six people you made up the line dance on your own okay yeah um I've been line dancing since I was a kid we'd go to the mid-state fair and that's how you'd flirt with boys is you'd have to go line dancing so you bet you ass I learned all the line dances I was out there and so yeah, that first day was kind of crazy. And then two weeks later, it started getting added to like all these playlists on Spotify and like just like kind of buzzed.
Like I think it got its like first organic radio ad. And we're just like, wait, what is going on? And then, God, what was the day? I think like late February was like my birthday week when labels started calling.
And we got out first class in new york and by i had like 900 my bank account at this point like i was calling my mom being like girl i don't know how i'm gonna pay my rent next month and then i called her back when i was flying out to new york and i was like just gonna be good hold the venmo um so yeah that was the week where i was like it's all gonna it's all gonna work out because like i had literally every single label in the entire world knocking at my door and then i and i kind of took this position of like realizing the power i had and realizing like i had all the negotiation power whatever i wanted and so i was like super coy in these conversations and like barely understated and like well what can you do instead of being like thank you so much for seeing me I was like well you came to me I was like with the CEOs of Republic Records being they showed me this whole spiel about The Weeknd and Ariana Grande and Taylor Swift is that where we interviewed no that was Def Jam we interviewed Alessia Cara and she's at Def Jam this morning yeah but yeah it was just so cool to be like what's that yeah did you so you got like your pick of the litter you chose who you wanted Oh, I listened to that this morning. Yeah.
But yeah, it was just so cool to be like, what's that? Yeah. Did you, so you got like your pick of the litter.
You chose who you wanted to choose. Warner Records.
I love them. It just felt like family.
I just like really saw that they valued my art and like me making art. And they were just like, we so see your vision and just run with it.
Wow. Yeah.
Damn. Yeah.
So it or wait it's the same song austin to boots wait what sing it did your boots stop working did your truck break down it's but it's are you sure i even knew that wait no wait because later on it got added like it was austin and then they wanted to add boots stop Stop Working to the title. Maybe that's what you're thinking of.
That's what we were thinking of. No, they're different.
I see them both. Actually, that is exactly what you're thinking of.
Why am I confused? They did that because everyone was like, what's the boots song? And then everyone was typing. You could see the research of people typing in boots.
And that's what we added, did your boots stop working to the title? Smart. Okay, that was a Warner move.
That was a smart Warner move. And thank God they did.
Woo. Okay.
So. Anyways.
Anyways. So we'll be moving on currently from that.
How did the Kane Brown of it all start? Kane and I met back at the People's Choice Country Awards, I think. We were sitting next to each other.
And he's just like the homie. He's kind of good in the country scene.
um i like that he's like pop leaning as well because that's kind of where my music sits and i got pitched the tour and he was like hell yeah and i'm like hell yeah it's now opening i mean for someone who is like you're into like going all out and being so creative his like sets the way he performs is so creative i saw him at stagecoach wait last year or two years ago two years ago? I can't remember what it was, but I was just blown away. It was so good.
It's wild. We went to his show, was that here? Yeah, that was here.
And interviewed him beforehand, but he's up on lifts, he's all over the place. It's really cool.
The pyro. His stage design is so cool, because it's like a loop.
It's a cat loop. Hello? A catwalk, but it's a loop.

And I've never seen a stage like this.

And the pit, like the G.I. pit is inside the loop.

Yes, yes.

And like I'm saying, I love a catwalk so much.

Oh, my God.

And so I'm just like doing circles the entire time I'm performing.

And it's great because the people in the back kind of get a front row seat.

And then it just like adds more dynamic to it.

After you're done with your performance as a stage coach, are you going to enjoy the festival at all?

Yeah, I'm going to shotgun a beer.

And then I'm going to, yeah, for sure.

Yeah, I don't know.

I think, well, there's a lot.

I mean, who knows? I might be doing some pop-ups.

There's going to be a lot of parties to go

to. Yeah, I'm going to be popping around.

You'll immerse yourself with the festival. Absolutely.

I also love a party.

So, can you tell? I love a party so can you can you tell i love a party macy's thanksgiving day parade yes how i mean first of all just a huge moment like in general to like be able to perform the macy's thanksgiving day parade and the lipstick on top well yeah so how did that happen what happened with that yeah let's break that down real quick so um i had a glam call at 4 a.m. that morning.
It was early.

Yeah, it was very early.

Got up, very DeLulu, had the full face on.

The parade started at 7.30 or 8.

We were on the float.

It was pouring rain.

Yeah.

Pouring rain.

I was out there for two hours just in the pouring rain. I thank God I had an umbrella, but I was waving freezing cold two hours.
And the way it works is like right as you pull up, your float pulls up in front of the Macy's like front. Your song starts and they hand you a mic and you go.
Like there's no like, okay, five minutes. It's like going.
The float barely stops. Like my manager literally fell off the float because it didn't stop.
It was like a whole, she almost got ran over. It was crazy.
But we're there.

Song starts. Killing it.

My extensions were looking B and I was like, god damn it

because I really clearly

raining, humidity.

God bless. It's all good.
Praying for me.

And she had just, my makeup

artist had just reapplied my red lipstick

to look good for camera.

And everyone was like, don't touch the mic to your lips.

Don't do it.

But like when I sing, I'm like

all up on that thing. And I'm not thinking about that.

I'm not thinking about that. I'm trying to like sound good.
You know what I mean? For sure. So like the last thing I'm thinking about is like the distance of my mic to my lips.
So what happened? Yeah. Is there a picture out there? Oh, there's a picture.
Can I see it? Oh, absolutely. It got me like a billion impressions.
So period. But yeah, it was pouring rain and the mic was all up.
And I just like remember pulling the mic away from the last Austin and giving the audience a big old smile. Giving the audience a big old smile.
And I just look like I was in the back with Elmo, like straight up. It's kind of giving Taylor Swift Wait wait go down It's so bad It is giving Taylor But so like trailer Swift You know It's giving trailer It's like all over And I remember seeing the monitors After pulling the mic away And I was like Oh And I was like It's probably not that bad It's probably just like me Being in my head.
It's definitely not that bad. And then my manager called me and he's like, girl, you should probably say something about this.
It was fucked. Have you worn red lipstick since? No.
Are we? Yeah, I don't know if I could either. I got the super stain, the Maybelline super stain for my birthday as like a joke from like a lot of people, which was funny to be fair.
But no, fuck that. But did you see anyone dressed up as you? For Halloween? Yeah.
That's actually a good Halloween costume. That would be a good idea.
Love. Would you be flattered or offended? So flattered.
I don't give a fuck. It's lipstick.
I don't think it's that bad. And people are so mad about it.
Like, you're a whore. And I'm like, okay.
What? Dude, I get called the craziest shit. Because country is such like a kind of more conservative leaning fan base.
And that's cool, whatever. But they were mad about like the shorts I was wearing.
I can't believe people called you that. Oh, yeah.
They're like, it's a family show. Why is she wearing that and getting lipstick all over her face? I'm like, you think I tried to do this? This is intentional.
It's crazy. That's crazy.
That's just moms projecting back in their, like,

kind of little when they were...

But, like,

the thing about

the lipstick fiasco

is I'm really

weirdly grateful

that it happened

because I feel like

the message of my music

and, like,

how I write songs

is showing, like,

especially to, like,

my super young fans,

like, hey,

it is okay

to not have it all together.

It's okay to be messy

and not know what the fuck you're doing and make bad decisions with men like it just is the way it goes and it's okay if you get lipstick all over your face on national television like it's okay i'm just a girl literally you know literally i'm kind of glad it happened because it just showed like how i'm very human and i'm like whatever. Yeah.
Did you feel any like crazy?

I'm like period. I kind of like that.

Honestly kind of cool.

Because I am like I'm way more white trash than her.

She's so classy and that's okay.

That is okay.

We all have a little bit. Absolutely.

How is your love life

these days?

Well I have like options but I'm just so... Player? Yeah, player.
Fucking player, you slut. How's your roster? The roster's deep, for sure.
But I don't care. I don't want a man.
And so, yeah, I will text them and entertain. Are you in your fuckboy era? Absolutely.
If I was a man, they would hate me so much because my girl could do whatever the hell I want. Yeah, no, I just don't want a boyfriend at all.
Even if I met the most perfect man right now, I'd be like, period, give me a few years. I mean, you're a rock star.
Yeah. Also, just be on tour.
You're so busy. And the last thing I want to do...
Also, anything I do right now is going to be long distance because I'm always on the road i'm never in one place and at the end of the day like all i want to do is like maybe call my mom and then i want to read a book in bed i want to read my dragon smut and then go to bed you know yeah like i don't want to busy i don't want to have a man around what's dragon smut i could fourth wing have you read it i can't do like fantasy sci-fi. You can do this book.
I can't do fairies fucking.

No.

I need real people.

You can do these fairies fucking.

It's so good.

This is A Court of Thorn and Roses.

It's better, in my opinion.

Okay.

I think the story's more, it's more like war.

It's less like shee-shee-foo-foo, you know?

It's more war.

It's more blood.

It's more like real.

Who was breaking up last night?

Oh, that's in a book that's awful that I'm really just trying to get through.

What book is it?

Truly.

The Boyfriend by Frida McFarland.

It's a terrible book.

Thank you. It's more like real.
Who was breaking up last night? Oh, that's in a book that's awful that I'm really just trying to get through. What book is it? Truly.
The Boyfriend by Frida McFarland. Whatever.
Terrible. Terrible book.
But I like, I know. It's like a psychological thriller.
I think everyone knows it's Frida. Frida even knows that it's not her best.
Okay. Okay.
So I'm really just trying to get through it because I did pay $12.99 for it on my Kindle. Oh.
Yeah. So I'm really just trying to get through it currently in this moment.

No, you should read fourth. I was very much into like erotic thrillers for a moment.

And then I did very much.

My clit didn't need a break.

Oh, like what?

Can you give me some like.

I don't got a boyfriend.

So like give me some.

I'll send you.

I'll send you the links.

I'll send you the links.

They they got me through some tough times.

Okay.

Nick was snoring beside me.

What was I doing?

I was reading this crazy sex scene in fourth wing As I was on vacation with my grandma And it was just me and her in Belize And we're like sitting on these beach chairs She's like yapping about New York Times And I'm like reading He slides it in my slick entrance And I'm like fuck! Excuse me grandma I need to use the restroom And I will be gone for a minute. Oh my God, I can't get out of my head.

She says slick entrance in the book.

I love that.

Isn't that disgusting?

I love it.

But it's so descriptive

and I love it.

It kind of turns me on

like a weird way.

I'm like,

why do I hate it?

It's very descriptive.

It is very descriptive.

My slick entrance.

My slick entrance.

Because that's what it is.

And he slid in like

Tom Cruise in Risky Business,

you know,

like with just socks on

like that. Raw.
Oh, I guess a sock is not raw. That would, yeah.
That would, no one's, have y'all seen that? Risky Business? Yeah. Sorry, before y'all's time.
Yeah, for sure. She's an artist, so she might have seen it.
Sorry, yeah. I'm educated in art.
She's in the arts. She watches films.
She watches films. She watches films.
I didn't watch anything past 2000, actually. No, Neither did she.
Speaking of watching, what are you watching these days? I actually just watched White Lotus last night. Oh, you did? You're caught up? I'm caught up.
And? Have you watched the first two seasons? Yes. I cannot believe the brothers made out last night.
No, yeah. That was really...
That made me so uncomfortable. Yeah, and I'm...
More uncomfortable than Sam Rockwell's long monologue about how he's fucking himself. That too and how he was like i want to be a little asian girl and i pair to sit there and watch me get fucked because i'm her and i'm like holy hell and then what's his name who who plays um sam rockwell no the other guy rick anyways rick's just sitting there and he's like uh uh-huh.
Yeah. Can you imagine being the writer of that

monologue? No.

That's where my brain went. Honestly, you want to

go further than

what you think we want. We want you to take

it to another level. Exactly.

I was watching with my roommate who's an actress, and so

we talk about acting and writing

all the time, but we were just

giggling to ourselves. Imagine having to

be in that like reading the script

for the first time

and being like,

okay, here I go.

I want to get fucked by a daddy

and be an Asian girl.

Oh my gosh.

Yeah.

And then the suicide scene,

almost near suicide scene,

freaked me out.

With who?

Oh my gosh, yes.

He was like writing the note.

And then she came out.

I thought he pulled the trigger

when she opened the door.

I know.

That was so gnarly.

Yeah, that was crazy.

I don't think he's going to do that.

Do you know who Sam Rockwell's wife

is in real life?

No.

Thank you. came out.
I thought he pulled the trigger when she opened the door. That was so gnarly.
I don't think he's going to do that.

Do you know who Sam Rockwell's wife is in real life? No.

It is the woman who's

the actress in White Lotus who's

playing the short blonde

who is from Austin, Texas.

No way. Leslie Bibb.

Wait, that's so fun.

They met filming, I believe,

Iron Man 2. Wow.
Her character's so so annoying she's like my least favorite character but also i think that's what she's supposed to be you know um did you see the twist coming of the friend fucking the guy no no i didn't actually but i'm kind of glad it's like, you know, the three girls, they hate each other so much.

And so like the fact that the entire time she's been like pushing Lori to have sex with this guy and then she does it is like so fucked.

That was so fucked.

Something I would have done in my earlier days.

Really?

Oh my God.

I feel like we've all probably almost done that before.

I feel like we probably actually have.

But that's just like being a girl.

But yeah, when you're single, girl or guy, when you're single and you're all, well, her character's not single, though.

That makes it a little shady.

Yeah.

I don't know. probably actually have but that's just like being a girl but yeah when you're single girl or guy when you're single and you're all kind well like her character's not single though that makes it a little shady yeah but if you are all single then yeah it's like kind of all fair love and war you're all kind of like part of it is like and she's clearly the hottest one and she's also like a movie star so like put it in those terms being that guy who works at the white lotus i'd be like her nick was asking me if like it's actually it's with the scene of them like dancing and then the three women who were like staring at him and she was like dancing harder he's like does that really happen like women who like want your man and you you kind of like show them that you can't have them you're making eye contact of random women at a bar who you think want your guy or the guy that you're getting with you you'll you'll uh you'll lock eyes and give them the old like you wish you had this yeah 100 sarah have you ever done that i'm sure it's just like a part of being a girl i don't know there's like this weird competitiveness that sucks but it's just like the way it goes sometimes also just like watch me go you know it's kind of fun watch me cook right now Watch me cook watch me cook who do you think did it who do you think dies and who do you think the killer is oh cause there's always gonna be someone that dies well I think it's gonna be the gun that the dad takes the missing gun but I don't think it's gonna be him I think it's gonna be like Rick or some shit you know cause Rick's kind of a wild card.
Maybe the monkeys steal it. Maybe the monkeys steal it.
I feel like it's giving Patrick. You think? Oh, yeah.
Patrick might do it. He's going to find out his dad has no money.
Saxon. Saxon, yeah.
Oh, oh, yeah. And he's going to be like, oh, my God.
And I just kissed my brother. And I kind of liked it.
And he's on drugs. And I do my own.
He's probably going to kill himself, honestly. No.
No. I think he'd just be like, I think he goes crazy.

Who's going to die?

What if he kills Chelsea? There was a lot of gunshots in the first episode preview.

Yeah.

I don't know.

Greg is also looking for the masseuse's contact information.

That is true.

Oh, Greg is also sketchy.

Or what if Greg dies?

Maybe Saxon figures it out, tries to be a hero for the masseuse.

He needs to die at this point.

There might be more

than one dead person,

but like.

True.

Greg is weird.

He's misunderstood.

You think?

I don't know.

You're going to come

to a murderous defense?

Yeah.

He killed,

are you serious?

Jennifer Coolidge,

what do you mean?

Maybe he just,

she just got on his nerves.

I don't know.

She would be really annoying

as that character,

as a wife,

to be fair.

Yeah. She would be.
The guys are coming. I'm so bad at that i'm not gonna try i'm not gonna try i can't do it i can't do it do you watch reality tv at all like low-key not really i don't even have time to watch anything um let's see what i did watch the last time i watched reality tv it was love island the last season because i i know rob um from before he was rob really how'd you meet rob before he was rob his sister lily is my best friend really so we met the summer before you're still best friends yes okay best friend the entire world how and what was that experience like watching her little brother become big brother america little brother oh yeah um it was really i didn't watch it at first because i didn't want to get cringed out and i love rob he and i are friends so i didn't watch it and i watched three or four of the episodes and i stopped because i just like i know him and i know like how i could just feel how overwhelmed he was getting and he's like a very sensitive And I just felt bad.
Like they put him in such like a hard situation

and like make him break these girls' hearts.

And like he didn't want to do any of that.

I don't know.

So I had so much empathy for him.

I just like couldn't even watch it.

How was your best friend through it all?

Was she like, because I feel like I-

She was watching it.

She had to.

She had to.

No, I was definitely checking on her.

I was like, what's up?

How you doing?

Well, she was excited because she thought he was going to make it to the hometown tours or the hometown part, whatever. She was like, I'm ready for my moment.
Like, here we go. Do they do that? Sometimes they call, they have like the families call in and meet.
They call, yeah, yeah. But she didn't get her moment, unfortunately.
Sorry, Lily. Sorry, Lily.
Yeah. Maybe next time.
Maybe next time your brother's on a... Maybe next time.
Yeah, I'm sure he'll be on the house soon. He was at that point kind of having casual sex with...
People on TV. Yeah.
You know? He was like, I'm not going to find love. Like, I can't imagine my brother being on there.
I would just be watching it. You know, and watching it, I just like, that's such a crazy experience.
You're just like, you don't do that. Watching people like my brother.
Yeah. I mean, the fact that he's married is already shocking enough.
So I'm like. No.
I don't. Your brother.
My brother. Okay.
Yeah. I was like, wait, when did that happen? What did I miss? No, no, no.
I can't imagine watching my brother on a dating show thinking like people would actually like him. And then I am shocked.
Actually like him. I'm also shocked that he's married.
So. And he's been married for quite some time.
Dang. Someone chose him.
None of my siblings are married yet. What's crazy is that the person who chose him was his first ever girlfriend.
Oh. Really? Did he like circle back or was it like a consistent thing? No, it was like he like never really had a girlfriend like growing up.
He was just like never really that type of guy and then went into the military and like met a girl and then they started dating and then he got out of the military and then they got married. Wow.
I know. What's up with you guys? What have you guys been watching? What should I watch? You watch everything? Gotcha, we watch everything.
I know because you guys like report on everything watch everything. I feel bad that I don't know more reality TV.
You need to watch Temptation Island. Temptation Island is bonkers.
I like tea. I like really juicy tea.
It's really crazy. There's threesomes.
Love. Well, his girlfriend has to watch the threesome happen on a screen.

Wait, there's a girlfriend? They come as couples. Oh.
No, it's crazy. And they have to see, like, are you going to be tempted by all these other girls that you're going to be living with who are, like, the temptresses? And it's, like, their job to get you to, like, break and fall in love with them and touch and break your physical boundaries, whatever the hell you may have.
And then every couple days, they go and they sit at this bonfire and watch a screen of what their boyfriend is doing with these other... It's crazy.
Literally no. And then one gentleman had a threesome with two randos and was like, I don't regret this shit.
He's just like, I need to feel something. Kind of, almost verbatim, he said, you know.
He basically wanted to check that box off his list. It was Breon.
Breon, yes. Breon.
The man on the left. And it was two women because they go on dates.
They get to pick someone to go on a date with. Okay.
And he did not choose either of those women to go on the date because he was like, then you form like an emotional connection. And I was just trying to have a threesome.
Whoa. So like everyone that's at the bottom are all the temptresses.
So the women get the men, the men get the women, and they're all trying to see who's gonna break. It's really wild.
So if you have any free time, I would definitely suggest. Love.
Yeah. I really like Too Hot to Handle, too.
This is kind of a little like Too Hot to Handle-esque. Yeah.
They're all very attractive. But I've only seen Harry Jowsey's season, which was forever ago.
But I was watching that shit. I never watched Too Hot to Handle, but it was good.
You should watch Temptation Island. Streaming on Netflix now.
Is it Netflix? Yeah, it's on Netflix now. Awesome.
Yeah. That one part was when Ashley went into the hut with, was it Dan? Oh, yeah.
I wouldn't be able to further on anymore, but they put a tent, a nice tent with a bed in it and each of the villas. And it was like, if you go it was like no cameras are allowed in there oh my god go in like you can do whatever you want to do not on camera but it lights up at the other house so like the women will know that someone one of their man took a girl in with no cameras oh yeah and ashley took danny into it she was like i really just want to like set off.
Wait, show me cameras. Oh.
Yeah. And Ashley took Danny into it.

She was like, I really just want to like set off.

Wait, show me Danny.

Danny.

Oh, he's cute.

He's cute.

He's very cute.

My first scan is I like Danny the best.

Well. That's like my type.

I love a mustache.

He's 22.

That's her guy.

I'm 25.

So.

Well.

It's not bad.

It's not bad.

It's not bad.

Kind of cradle robbing.

I'm just asking.

It's not bad.

I just said he's 22.

Anyways. So she goes in and on their way.
And she's like, I really wish you would have carried me. And his response is, maybe next time.
Huh? Yeah, not your husband. Huh? Oh my God.
Maybe next time. Taylor and Tyler.
That's fun. Taylor and Tyler.
Yeah, they're talking. They're already broken up.
We're not even done with the show. I just feel like anyone that goes on the show with their boyfriend is gonna break up.
It's just so sad. Like Alexa

and Lena, they've been together for like almost

four years. It's like, what

are you doing on this

show? Or like maybe they're just like feeling

like it's the end, but they're just like one

last hurrah. Go out with a bang.

Like that's some shit I would do.

I was gonna say, Ashley saw her boyfriend full on

cheating on her and she was like, this is just all the proof I needed. Like not even like a freak out Not a teared out She was just like Nope I knew it Piece of shit No And then But Taylor goes I want this to not feel like cheating Like after he took a shower And had sex with some chick Oh Grant Grant yeah Yeah Yeah when you hooked up with Her name was Natalie Natalie yeah

When he's sitting playing the guitar

Oh that motherfucker

Singing about cheating I know I made

A mistake I know what I've done

First of all

Thank you for reminding me

That though this motherfucker brought a guitar

To temptation

Island that's like bringing a puppy

That's like being like you know

What I'm saying like even if you're

An actual musician if you if you went on temptation island Dasha and you brought a guitar I mean like she wants to fuck like she is there okay I would do because I'd sauce that shit up but if somebody was bad did it I'd be like get that better better better good but if you bring a guitar as like a prop to like some sort of dating situation you're You're Yeah Like you're not I mean yeah He was waiting to Ken bust it out For sure He brought the guitar to look He brought basically a sex toy He brought a vibrator he can play Seriously That's like bringing a vibrator to a date 100% I just thought it was wild That he's singing like a I made a mistake with you to the song to the girl walking out. And he keeps going as she's like sitting next to him.
It's like okay. Was it a song that he wrote? Yes.
Apparently that morning. It would be so bad.
No I cannot do that. It was awful.
You have no idea how many men that I'm like lightly talking to would be like well let me just like show you this song real quick that are not artists it's like the most painful thing have you ever had someone who is an artist try to sing to you and be like not like let me demo this shit for you but like you're hanging out it's a date we're not working we're like offline I can't tell you how many times this has happened men that scene at a barbie does it trip up your lady so unbelievably accurate like they play guitar at you looking you straight in the eye and you just have to act like oh wow never heard this before the fuck is going on no one ever you actually listen you don't just say stop no i'll like get up and like get myself a glass of water and like try to give them cues of like i'm so like i'm dry i have to go right now i have to leave yeah this is actually hurting your chances of getting with me right now is that my car i hear started in the driveway yeah i'm like let me go check on that sorry the remote start accidentally pressed in my pocket my apartment flooded gotta go oh god i gotta wash my cat sorry sorry so oh my Yeah. It's not crazy.
What is your birth name? Anna Dasha Novotny. Anna is my first name.
Okay. But I've always gone by Dasha.
You have? Yeah. Well, kindergarten through sixth grade, I was Anna because I thought Dasha was too weird.
I wouldn't have friends. I don't know why I went there, but I released my first song in seventh grade when I switched schools.
So I went by Dasha from then on I was like perfect wow where did your parents get Dasha I wasn't named till three weeks after I

was born what my parents are hippies California hippies I know literally one of those and they

wanted to feel like I cannot make this up they wanted to feel my vibe like straight up and um

they're calling me baby for a while say what you want I mean now you're a they felt right

using that name they kind of killed it

got it right

and like I love my nickname

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I love my nickname Dash. My friends call me Dash, which is cute.
That's fine. But my aunt called my parents three weeks in and was like, what about Dash? And they're like, love? She's a girl.
What about Dasha? And it just stuck. Because traditionally, it's like Dasha or Dasha, which is like aussian name it's like it's like emily over there like everyone is named dasha yeah um but dasha is my americanized dayasha so yeah all right dasha yeah well this has been so much fun thanks for having me uh can you please plug away obviously so many people know and where to get your music and all that fun stuff but anything you want you where can people like find you on tour tour well guys i'm on tour right now with kane brown going out with thomas rett next that's kind of a big deal great i love thomas you're really you're really there i'm doing it it's so weird because last year i was not doing it like it's crazy what could happen in a year so exciting but uh okay find me on tour you can to search my name on google you'll find the tickets i'm sure and uh find me at stagecoach and i'm working on a new album so keep your eyes peeled yeah let's go so much fun hell yeah thanks guys if you work in quality control at a candy factory you know strict safety regulations come with the job it It's why you partner with Grainger.
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Well, she's fun. I love that she's from Slow because a lot of people commented on the Dylan Efron one being like, how do they not know where Slow is? Because you're like Santa Luis Obispo? What are you saying? Is that the slang name for that place? Slow is San Luis Obispo.
Because everyone's like... And then people are like, you know what? Let's's just say slow yeah yeah there's a lot of towns that people can't pronounce okay there was a town next to me where i grew up called opelika and no one could fucking say opelika so like and am i offended no no i just think it's hilarious because i have family from slow too and they're like girl nobody cares really like if you're offended that i cannot pronounce the name of your town and it has 92 letters in it like i am sorry at least um at least you know the lyrics to her song leah thought that the lyrics to her song were did your boots stop working did your lungs give out and now that's the only way i can think that sounds like it though what it, though.
What's the actual lyric? Did your truck give out?

Did your boot stop working?

Did your car break down?

No, did your truck break down?

I'm sorry, sorry.

She said, did your lungs give out?

Were you listening whenever it was playing?

Or were you just guessing?

Well, I thought those were the lyrics.

Sometimes Sierra corrected me.

Sometimes you hear stuff wrong.

It's okay.

But those are the lyrics in my heart now.

I heard what I wanted to hear. Well, did you see a little Southern charm? Madison LaCroix is like people are all up in arms because apparently her house was listed for sale and everyone's freaking the fuck out, which I think is the weirdest.
First of all, if she listed her house for sale, people should stop putting that online. Right? It is interesting.
It's weird. Why would you like platform someone's personal address i have no idea and i've never understood it it's the bravo sphere they look into everything yeah remember they knew that britney moved out of her house based off of a selfie of the mirror in the background knowing that it wasn't the same house that she like it's that's scary yeah it's really scary but she like boundaries people She, someone, wait, she offered a cryptic comment or someone? Someone commented on a post saying, girl, where are you moving to, LOL? And she said, Callie.
We're assuming she's trolling. I'm assuming she's trolling.
There's no way she is pregnant, moving, like taking her son who's, he's like, what, 10, 11, like out of school and moving to California. I meania i mean maybe i don't know but like definitely seems like she's like my response to that would be um like don't come no no no my response would be like the most random yeah i would say somewhere in europe like just a random place of like mind your own business I'm not I don't know.
Bulgaria. I'm moving to Bulgaria.
Her husband does fly out here throughout the week because he's a firefighter. So he is.
Yeah, that's the whole thing where that when Paige and Craig and Madison would not always talk that she was saying that they were bi-coastal relationship because he has to fly out here for work. Why does he firefight out here? Probably.
He's like he's like a a higher up. I don't know that he's actually suiting up, but I know that he has to come here for whatever to manage his department.
Oh, interesting. Maybe she is moving to Cali.
So she could be. Okay, well, what the fuck do I know? Certainly nothing.
Southern Cali, the new charm. It is interesting that that would be the way that she reveals that she's moving.
it's just like responding to like a comment that I agree with too so it's a little it's a little strange she could be trolling or Shep's not moving he's still you see how he decorates his house did you see the five million hats under his coffee table we're the same age I will in defense of Shep though you know you really need a lady in your life. Yeah.
Molly. Those apartments get scarier as they get older alone.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. He needs Molly.
Like, is that your bed in the corner? Is that your mattress in the corner of the room? But before I met Natalie, I can't say that I was much better. It actually wasn't that bad.
I remember the first time. Yeah.
Did he have nightstands? Multiple pillows? He did. He had nightstands.
He had two pillows. Okay.
Yeah. A duvet? Or a blanket? He did have a duvet.
Anything on his walls? Pictures of himself. Stop it.
It was like mixed tiles. It was probably like a brand deal.
It was like you and friends. It was a brand deal.
Yeah. It was you and friends.
It was definitely the peel and stick. It wasn't just me.
It wasn't like, yeah, it wasn't a bunch of selfies. Your bachelor poster.
Yeah. It wasn't a bunch of selfies, but there was definitely like, yeah, a bunch of pictures of like you and your friends and family.
And some like art from Bed Bath & Beyond. No art.
No art. Yeah, he had a blue velvet couch.
Oh. That's fancy.
Sassy. Yeah, what else did you have? That was a hand-me-down for my broken relationship with Vanessa.
Wait, what? I got in the divorce. Yeah.

And then Natalie got rid of it as soon as she moved.

Thank God.

Yeah.

Thank God.

This is the first thing to go.

It's like that one couch

in Vanderpump Rules.

Oh, it's Tom

in the Tom, Kristen, Jack's, Ariana couch.

I don't think I ever stepped foot

in your guest bedroom,

but I do remember it being

just like full of crap.

It was my art room.

His art room, yes. I respect that.
I made art. I respect that.
Every time, this man is like, I need an art studio like at the lake or I need, like I'm thinking of like putting an art studio. I'm like, you have not, he set up an art studio in our current house five years ago when we moved in and he has not once stepped foot into his art studio.
I'm like, and, well, we need to have one at any possible house that we could ever live in in our future must have an art studio in case I decide to dabble. Thank you, Justin.
Are you painting? You can't rush the art. You can't rush the art.
What's inside this art studio? What crafts are you getting into? I mean, oil paints. Oh, of course.
Stuff. Not watercolor.
I didn't know. Acrylics.
I haven't done a lot of well I mean maybe acrylics. Ceramics.
Yeah maybe acrylics. Watercolors I might dabble.
You guys have a ghost moment. You're also downplaying oil paints.
What? You're acting like I don't. Well first of all I have painted.
I believe you that's why I'm asking what's in an art student. What kind of stuff do you paint? You haven't painted since you were living in Venice.
Bob Ross photos.

But you haven't done anything since you were here.

No, I haven't done it in a while. He's going to paint with River

in the studio. But JT

was definitely under...

This episode...

Honestly, every episode of JT gets worse and worse and worse

and worse. This one I can't defend.
Quit.

No, you can't defend. Just quit.

And thank God he did.

But then he still comes back for the reunion.

Ugh.

Yeah.

So it's like.

Do you think he said it?

A hundred percent.

Seemed real defensive.

A hundred percent.

I was like even the

barber call wasn't that

convincing.

It wasn't much different

than what he was accused

of saying.

Honestly like I

like

some black girl

cute.

Some cute black girl

like I don't

throwing in the word cute

doesn't make it any better. Yeah.
You know? and he's really like trying to make sure that like that is gonna make it better yeah and it doesn't it's insensitive regardless yeah and then him calling venita and like making himself the victim was weird the whole idea like forget about whatever comment he did or didn't make that may or may not have been ignorant and inappropriate

and insensitive but just the fact that he has this girlfriend and we watched him lean into this storyline with vanita all season long and then play her the way he's played her and then have his actual girlfriend whoever this person is like talk shit about vanita when clearly she's hearing from JT about what that relationship status is.

And obviously he's downplaying it to her while upplaying it to us, which is interesting that we haven't heard from her at all because like you would think he's clearly obvious, obviously he must be blaming producers in the show. And, you know, when it comes to her and I don't, I'm assuming they're still together they or you know she must be believing it that i don't know but i know that vanita did share on the after show that that scene in maybe the second or third episode where they're shopping together and she's like oh you look yummy that like she actually spent five thousand dollars on him that day and it's just kind of one of those things where it's like that's not not something your best friend does.
Like, that's something that like... $5,000? When he's claiming that never happened.
Vanita's claiming it did. Yeah, Vanita got on Southern Turnout After Show and said that she spent $5,000.
She's like, that's not something that a best friend does. And that's also not something someone would lie about.
Like, yeah, I spent $5,000 on him. But I'm like, that says to me that she thought she was investing in her future partner not like oh you know what i think you would really like you look so good in this throw it away why not i feel like vanita's been so mature this whole season of like she's clearly getting played to this day yeah and like the whole time like she's trying to be positive of jt and i don't understand you know what she's very much like southern values and trying to be like a put together Southern woman and I love that for her but I'm like yeah it couldn't be me.
I would be like exposing this man left and right and she's still trying to see the good in him. It's tough to watch Paige and Craig now.
And she's rolling her eyes at him. I think they say like the I mean they're broken up now so you know we have the answer but But there's no better sign of a broken relationship when people are rolling their eyes at each other.
I mean, yeah, but it's also, for me, in defensive page, I'm just like, can we just sit down and have dinner? It's just like, they go to the farm, they go look at bees, and somehow it ends up in this very serious conversation of, your career, you're moving forward, I want to settle down. and she's like can we just have dinner yeah well i don't want to watch that i'm sure they did have i don't i don't know i do not want to watch page come to town and sit them watch and not talk i know i'm fully aware but what i'm saying is that craig can't sit here and be like oh man that was mean or whatever where i'm just like you started this conversation but also she does really like to like really throw it in.
Like the whole conversation with Austin of like her being like, you're preaching to the choir. Like, yep.
I, you know, I don't think you need to. They very much were like bonding over their relationships being similar on their end.
And like kind of in front of Craig where it was like, okay. I mean, she's definitely checking out of this relationship in the process.
He's trying to move this relationship forward. He's trying to like, hey I got this house.
I got this backyard. He's got a great backyard by the way.
Well done Craig. Very nicely done.
But yeah, he wants to literally settle down and she doesn't. It's unfortunate because I'm like but I just understand her when she's just like, I never want to live a slow life that I'm like, yeah, then you guys need to break off.
I mean, listen, everyone's different, you know, like Nellie and I really didn't talk about it, you know, when we, when Nellie got pregnant with River, you know, but boy, we haven't slowed down, you know, like, and we're very lucky and very privileged to be able to get help. We have a lot of members who can help with child care and things like that but like we have definitely not slowed down yeah like and so when it's just interesting hearing this conversation and hearing page's perspective as if like she definitely has it in her mind and it is obviously for a lot of people that if like a life with craig and if they decided to have kids together you know like, like there's a lot of sacrifices to be made.
No question when it comes to being a parent, but like, it doesn't necessarily mean that your life has to end or your life has to slow down or you can't have a career. I mean, Natalie and I have never been more busy with our careers and we're very much like growing a family.
I also do think though people are scared if you live a fast paced life to bring children into it because they're scared of like, oh, my gosh, I'm going to have to like sacrifice so much. And it's like, well, on one end you do, but also like a baby joins your life.
And it's it's if you want to, it is very easy to like include babies. They're adaptable.
They go with the flow, you know, like it's honestly not as hard

as I think a lot of people make it out to be.

And it's like, I think if they wanted to make it work,

like it wouldn't be that hard.

And listen, every situation is different.

You know, we're not here to tell people like,

you know, having kids are super easy

and our situation obviously is different

than anyone else listening.

But yeah, to Natalie's point, like we love being parents and we bring liver along as much as we can. We she comes into our liver.
We bring we bring River. I can't.
We include River into our life as much as we can. We bring her around.
And yeah, she like assimilates into our life. and the difference between our life before and our life now is when we're not working and we're not having a crazy life or doing some cool thing or we're not like you know like all the other shit is just like replaced by more meaningful shit like the shit we were just like i don't know what do you want to do you know when we were just like chilling like we replace it with just like meaningful moment after meaningful moment and like i don't know that's really the only like you just got to bring a lot more snacks and toys you know yeah it is interesting because then on the summer house side of like this past week it's craig telling page if you were so busy the rest of your life then i'd know we wouldn't work out yeah so it's like you're seeing the two ends of like how it's being portrayed on each show.

And it's kind of, yeah, just to that point,

it's just weird because like you just,

especially for them.

I mean, I don't know their situation,

but like there's a lot of busy,

successful parents out there.

I think it'd be interesting to wonder

if their relationship would have been different

if like Craig was willing to like raise kids in New York,

where it seems like Paige was not willing

to raise kids in Charleston to her. Well, that's an interesting question.
Like, they're broken up now, so it almost seems weird talking about it. But would Craig be a stay-at-home dad? Would he marry a woman who was maybe more advanced in her career than his and more the breadwinner? And if, let's say, Paige and Craig worked out and her, keeps being elevated.
She keeps getting busier and busier. She's booked and busy.
Craig is like, fine. But like compared to, to care to Paige, she seems to be, you know, on a higher trajectory.
Like, would he be, you know, daddy daycare and would he stay home? Would he, would he, you know, would he do that? I don't, I don't know, but like it would require maybe something like require maybe something like that. You got to figure it out as a family, as parents, and you adapt to whatever situation comes up.
So maybe if you have two people who are like, no, I need to be... But also, it very much did seem like Paige did not or was not willing to make Craig a priority in her life.
It seemed very much like her career was really the only thing, you know, because she even said like, well, once like we get married and like my mom, like, you know, my mom. I also like, yeah, listen, I know maybe it's part of Paige's like bit or whatever, but like dating someone who like constantly like talks down to men would probably bother me after a while like because page talks down about men to men and even a little bit to craig where it's just like i don't know like maybe that's like her bit i don't maybe that's her vibe that's kind of her persona but like i don't it would kind of craig did say i don't remember because they all run together if it was in Summer House or Southern Charm

but he was like

I've never been in this

submissive

like in a relationship

before

oh yeah

he did say he was a sub

which is really funny

it's just

it's an

it was an interesting

relationship dynamic

clearly

they didn't work out

it's interesting to like

watch the relationship

kind of fall apart

it's very much giving like in a completely different way but the like when we knew what happened with sandoval and raquel and like you knew what happened and then you watched the season and you just paid more attention to them and the background and you just solved it it's just like all of it meant more because you knew like how everything ended up it's like you watch their relationship a little bit closer because you know they're not together and it's like do you see it falling apart would this be a dating red flag for you because i thought it was a huge red flag from page like honestly maybe page is right like maybe page's mom as far as page is concerned has never been wrong but if i'm dating someone and page delivered that line to me the way page delivered to craig implying that like if and when we get married and have kids that like her mom will be a more trusted like source than her own partner i would be like absolutely not like for for page to imply that her mom would never be wrong going forward and then she would go to her mom first before she went to her partner i don't want to marry that person oh well i want nothing to do with her that's you um i trust my grandma's opinion my mom passed away so therefore that's why i'm using my grandma but i would trust my grandma's opinion before i trust connor's opinion he's never had a baby she's watched obviously context matters like right i mean if we're talking about like it's not as if they had a specific topic right right where all of a sudden they were talking about like bottle feeding and then craig tried to mansplain you know to page about it like that's not what happened this was like a general conversation just talking about like on a high level and page is talking about her mom's never been wrong so she this will always be the person she kind goes to first. And there is a lot of people who have that type of relationship with their parent where it's very much mom and dad are very still playing the role of mom and dad, even though that person is an adult.
And to your point, I think if we're speaking in hypotheticals, I think you would have broken up with her if you were if you were in Craig's position. I think you would have broken up with her last season of summer house when she when they were talking about taking the next step and she started crying saying i can't move and live away from my mom so i'm just like i think it's like different strokes for different folks like where to me i'm like i understand it i if that's all you know and that's your security by all means but i'm like depending upon what you're looking for in a partner craig's very aware that she's very codependent on her mom and he chose to stay.
I don't think he's looking for that. I think he accepted that because he realized after they were dating that's who she was.
And I think next relationship Craig enters in he'll make sure that that's not... I think that's something he put up with rather than enjoyed.
And I definitely in general think it's a huge red flag.

I think their relationship expanded a lot of the options that he has and that he's gotten out of Charleston.

How involved is your grandma in your relationship with Connor?

I mean, I wouldn't say like involved, but yeah, if I have an issue, I would talk to my grandma before I would talk to like a friend.

Of course, sure.

And like Natalie has her support system, obviously people she goes to, but the way Paige delivered delivered it and maybe i'm paraphrasing obviously there's editing so who knows but she painted a picture that her mom's very involved in decisions that page makes like very involved you know there and there's a lot of people out there are in relationships that feel like they have a husband and or wife and they're also kind of dating that person's parents and And they almost have to make sure before they make major decisions that that person has to clear it with mom or dad. And that is like- Your number one dating ik? Yeah, I do feel like if Nick and I- Absolute fucking no.
And it's also just not healthy. It might work for you and you might think it's okay, but that's not healthy.
That's not a healthy relationship. That is codependent.
And that is like a weird, you're way too close to your mom and dad. Like, could you imagine if like you and Connor are like, should we, I don't know, like maybe some like big life decision.
I don't know. Should we buy a beach house? I don't know.
Whatever. And- Is she helping? And you're, no.
But you're like, I can't, I need to like talk to, like, I just like can't do this without like my grandma's like, she has to like approve. Like if every major decision you and Connor made and he started feeling like you had to make sure you check with grandma and then if grandma and every decision you made seemed to always align with grandma no matter what.
And that, like, is that how it is? I take my grandma's opinion at very high value. I'm just a woman.
I'm sorry. The reason why I'm still alive is because she's advised me.
But if she was like, I don't think you should buy this beach house, but like you and Connor have already like gone through everything. You're financially stable.
You can do it. Would you be like, we can't do it.
My grandma said no. That's too far.
But I'm like, yeah, if my grandma had concerns about it, I'd be like, what do you see? Oh, for sure. Here we are.
We love getting it. Here we are.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. What do you see? But yeah, I wouldn't be't be like oh final decision but i think this is all coming from was page was like would you like she even like gave the example of like if if there were two things you were choosing from and like you wanted to do one but your mom wanted you to do the other like would you do the other because your mom said so and craig was like no i'm 37 years old like yeah absolutely no i'm doing what i want to do and and then page saying her mom's never been wrong maybe but like that might be through like rose colored glasses like it may be her mom like you know if she's that connected with her mom it just might be her mom like i don't know it might revisionist history all i'm saying if page's success at this point is due to taking advice from her mom i'd take advice from her mom too yeah page's mom can you mom, can you come help me out? Give me some advice.
In a relationship? Yuck. I hear ya.
What did y'all think of the Danielle interrogating Lindsay about living with Turner? I'm like, girl, didn't you leave the show? Isn't Lindsay gonna, like like she's your best friend and you're the reason

you're on this episode like there's that and it's just like when why is this your business i'm like i actually respect lindsey being like i want to keep things separate because listen this happened i'm happy about it but i don't feel the need to do everything by the book because what if in eight months from now we move in with each other and the shit that happened with carl last season I don't need a repeat

exactly

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a the book because what if in eight months from now we move in with each other and the shit that happened with Carl last season, I don't

need a repeat. Exactly.
She was

blinded by

engagement. You think she's going to

throw all of her eggs in one basket at

six months? I kind of

see her side though. You see Danielle's

side? Kind of. I see Lindsay's side too.

No, come on. Come with it.
I just kind of get

I get Danielle's line being like

now we're making

pragmatic decisions.

Why not now? You already made one that was like a little bit jump the gun. So like, why not now take things a little slow? And she also has a kid to worry about now.
Again, I get. I'm just saying sometimes we make decisions because of the optics rather than what it actually does.
And I'm just, I don't know. Would you feel the same if Lindsay got pregnant, had the baby and she was like, well, now we have to get married six months in.
I think there's a difference between marriage and living together, especially when you have a kid. Like marriage is a legal contract.
She just had to kick Carl out who blindsided her and with an engagement, she just got all, she just moved the last box out of. And she did say he's over like every night of the week.
So it's just like the whole like, let's not get rid of our apartments. Let's not make anything too permanent.
Because like, what if you change your mind? It's what we did in the beginning of our relationship. I'm just saying.
Well, co-parenting, though, is a little bit different nowadays. So it's like if he's signing up for that, he knows what he's getting himself into.
You guys are having a baby together. That's not going to change.
But like there may be a sense where like you shouldn't be together just because you're trying to make it work for the kid. Like they're still getting to know each other.
I kept my apartment in Georgia to not add extra pressure onto our relationship because we were already living. No, but I moved across the country for you.
I mean, that's pretty big commitment. For me, a kid completely changes the equation the equation you know and there's something very permanent and very real about having a child together and like that just that changes the equation you know and and now you both like have a kid to raise and like regardless of what i do know about lindsey and this man who i know nothing about is that for the next 18 years, those two are in each other's lives.

They're connected no matter what.

Doesn't matter whether they get married or don't get married or move in or don't get married.

Those two are in each other's lives.

Carl, Lindsay, as soon as this show ends, they may never speak to each other again.

You know?

But like, and when you have a kid, like there's, you don't, you take kind of practical decisions

a little bit out the window.

I totally get where Lindsay's coming from.

I'm not saying, I don't think she's making a bad decision or wrong decision, but I kind of get the criticism. I do a little bit.
Just a little bit out the window. I totally get where Lindsay's coming from.
I'm not saying, I don't think she's making a bad decision or wrong decision.

I kind of get the criticism.

I do a little bit.

Just a little bit.

As a CEO,

I can see what Nick

and Danielle are saying.

Well, no,

she is a CEO.

So I feel like she does know

how to make smart decisions.

It was feeling just very

not like girl's girl.

It was like interrogating

in front of people.

Everybody.

It was weird energy.

But did you guys see that Lindsay and Aaron from Rony were hanging out

together?

I did.

I think,

I think,

I think they're just leaning in.

I'm just happy that Sierra finally admitted that her and part of her and

West was a little bit her fault.

I don't know if she thinks she admitted that,

but when she finally acknowledged that maybe her pickers a little off and

that she goes after a certain kind of guy.

I was like, oh, finally, she's taking a little bit of ownership in her feelings.

I just thought it was hysterical when Paige said, I found him funny and I laughed.

And then I told him, if you tell Sierra, I'll kill you.

And then Sierra's like, I will kill you.

I mean, I will give Wes that.

He is funny.

Wes is funny

His whole thing

The browsers thing

Was really funny

And when he was talking about Carl

And his like

Oh he hasn't had sex for you

Yeah yeah yeah

I mean you can't look at

Wes Wilson and say

Husband material right now

Or boyfriend material

He at least used to recycle

He did

And he would wash out his

That's like

Do you guys do that?

I do

I keep the container

I do too Thank you. he at least used to recycle he did and he would wash out his do you guys do that? I keep the container free Tupperware Jesse and Lexi which one should be running for the hills or do we think that this is going to work out it's just not it's going to crash and burn the crash out of this is going to be incredible it is interesting to is interesting to think though you know the whole like comp you know the jealousy comment when you're a single per i mean i guess i know i can speak for guys i don't know how it is for the ladies but when you're a single guy and you have women friends you know attractive women friends but you're just you're just friends like you're you're cool like there's no like weird strictly platonic just friends like commenting on on your girlfriends who are just friends.
Instagram is just something that you think nothing of. And like, especially if you've been single for a while, you just don't think it's a big deal.
Yeah. And then when you're in a relationship, completely opposite.
You're just like, why would you comment on my girlfriend or boyfriend or husband or wife's like, you know, like stop being fucking weird weird yeah um and it's just kind of funny because i remember being this single for years uh and having friends who were women and just like yeah just kind of fucking around and just like doing it for the plot or like having people online like react to do it and we're as two friends we didn't give a fuck and we just whatever yeah and so hearing Lexi like have like she's so entitled to have a problem with this.

Like you don't want to be dating a guy and having him like commenting on someone else's cans and, you know, other and his other friends, other body parts and calling saying they're so beautiful and how sexy they are.

Like, you don't want to see that.

And like the fact that it's not clicking for him and he's just like, what's the big deal?

I'm just like being my like just being my in his mind. He's just like nothing.
You like you're asking me to change i'm just being a friend of my friends yeah i mean and to be fair they are not official he has a month to decide that's part that's confusing because even the bottle service they had was like congrats jesse and lexi right so i'm like i feel like both of you guys aren't having a conversation that is a joke yeah that was a bit but still but I'm like they're both like having conversations but not having conversations at the same time. That's the best kind of communication in a relationship.
Especially for reality TV. It's gonna crash and burn.
Yeah. Also, it looks like Sierra's gonna get involved.
That's not gonna go well. It looks like Jesse's gonna lay it on thick for fun and it's gonna make Lexi very uncomfortable.
Why would Sierra do that, though? She admitted in this episode, she kind of finds him goofy. But she also said she's not attracted to him.
Well, yeah, but that's the thing. Why would she deliver? She's not doing anything.
Jesse's the one coming here and being like, oh, you're so hot. Do you have a friend crush on me? Like, oh, I might have a friend crush on you.
She's into it. That's what I'm saying.
She's playing into it, but so did Paige and everybody else. But they've been doing this for- Amanda is married.
Since they met each other, they've had this little bit. And so it's like, Jesse's the one, if he does end up wanting to commit to Lexi, then he should come to Sierra and be like, hey, love you, like still a homie, but like we got to draw the line on flirting.
I'm not saying it's more her fault than his fault. A lot of the times there are friends that you just like, that it's, you flirt with them.
like flirting. Sure.
But when you start dating someone. Oh yeah when you start dating someone it's different but then like Lexi and Jesse still aren't like fine but like yeah they're in this weird period where like she can't get mad but she's a human being and she's liking this person and she has the right to feel a certain way.
She totally deserves to be that. And while Jessie is far more responsible for that relationship, well, Sierra's not responsible for it at all.
No. But the fact that a year ago Sierra was in a very similar relationship where she was kind of dating someone in the house, you would think she would be able to empathize with Lexi more than anyone else and the fact that she's the very person being the subject of Jessie's flirtiness, it's just like she, Jessie doesn't give a fuck.
It's interesting. All right.
Well, don't forget to tune in tomorrow. We have a very great episode of Going Deeper with Barbie Ferreira from Euphoria.
She's got a great new movie coming out as well. That is a fantastic episode with Barbie.
That is all tomorrow as well. And on Thursday, very excited, we have Jason Ritter

returning with his wife for the first

time, Melanie Linsky. They're

coming together, very excited about

them talking about their new

projects. They're big fans of reality TV.

I think they watch some Housewives as well.

Maybe some other stuff. I mean, Jason's always come on

talking about The Bachelor. So either way,

they will definitely be a good time.

That is on Thursday as well. Great week lined up for y'all.
We love you. Thanks for listening.
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