E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island

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Speaker 1 What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vafiles Reality Recap Edition. I am your host, Nick, and everyone is fired at The Bachelor.

Speaker 1 I don't even know who's running that. Nobody anymore, huh? Nobody.
Nobody.

Speaker 1 We got after the final final rows next week, and I don't know who's in charge. We don't even know if it's going to air.
Yeah, dude. Yeah, Grant's in charge.

Speaker 1 Amongst the, what, like, the most recent, what, like, Jed Deadline did an article like a couple weeks ago talking about the toxic workplace environment over by over at the, I don't even know what you call it because, like, Warner Brothers produces the show, but, like, Warner Brothers, it's, like, produced by Next Media,

Speaker 1 which was the company, I think, originally owned or started by Mike Fleis, I think. And that's where all the production team works out of, but it's also like kind of run by Warner Brothers.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I don't totally totally get it.
Anyways,

Speaker 1 yeah, so the showrunners Claire and Bennett are no longer with the show.

Speaker 1 Do we think they left on their own accord? I think they got fired. You think they got fired? Yeah.
I don't think they were like, oh, there's some rumors going on about us. You know what?

Speaker 1 Let's, for the good of the show, let's step away. Let's step away.
I think, you know, it's been fascinating as someone.

Speaker 1 Bennett was kind of like the the last I know I think to my knowledge I know two people who still are working well no longer Bennett. Yeah, I know I'm including Bennett in that that I don't know.

Speaker 1 You said I know I still know two people. Oh, who's the other person? I don't think you've never met him.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Mystery.

Speaker 1 It seems like, so when Mike Fleis left the show, there was a big, I think we talked about this, this big kind of shakeup.

Speaker 1 And Mike, Mike Fleis is, you know, for those who don't know, the creator of the show, he's been like living on an island in literally Hawaii.

Speaker 1 when he felt like kind of sticking his nose in it he would like tell people what to do and then sometimes he would take a hiatus it was kind of very never no one really knew what was going on anyways and so when he stepped out or got pushed out or whatever they're still like people think he's still very much involved but um there was a big shakeup and they brought in this claire person from bachelor canada brought her down

Speaker 1 and then a lot of people who were kind of running things were left let go bennett was like the lone survivor of like the og group and a lot of people had hurt feelings about, you know, how that all went down.

Speaker 1 And I think a lot of people felt like Bennett left them kind of hanging, so to speak. Mixed feelings, you know, I mean, it can go both ways.

Speaker 1 Business is business, but like a lot, I think a lot of people

Speaker 1 were upset with, I got, I think Bennett, you know, because he was kind of the last man standing. And this Claire person came in from Bachelor Canada, and those two kind of seemingly took over.

Speaker 1 They kind of got in locks up with each other.

Speaker 1 And again, these are all just rumors or just, you know, opinions from people who have worked on the show and things that I've heard, but it seems like a lot of people, they all kind of blame Claire.

Speaker 1 Well, what seasons has Claire run? I don't forget when she started. She worked on Joey's season for sure.

Speaker 1 There was another person, his name was Jason, and it was Jason, Bennett, and Claire kind of running things. And then Jason got pushed out by Claire and Bennett.
No, no. Allegedly.

Speaker 1 And somehow, some way, Jason got let go. Allegedly.
I heard that, you know, they kind of pushed him out. But again, this is all speculation.
This is all rumors. They're not rumors.

Speaker 1 They're whisperings. Well,

Speaker 1 no, what I'm sharing are opinions from people, but like, yeah, this is what I've heard from people like

Speaker 1 in it. So, yeah, it's kind of, it's kind of fascinating.

Speaker 2 Someone from Canada is being mean?

Speaker 1 I don't know if she's being mean, but I think a lot of people don't appreciate, I guess, I don't know, you know.

Speaker 3 I mean, the Hollywood Reporter article says their exits come in the wake of allegations that Freeland and Graebner oversaw.

Speaker 1 a in quotes toxic and hostile workplace on the bachelor claims the pair have denied through their attorney so i mean through the attorney they denied it according to hollywood reporter but and the attorney's statement is my clients are well respected professionals with a long history in in this business they are frankly stunned and saddened by some of the things they are hearing now for the first time it doesn't seem like they're very respected if all these people are like hey toxic work environment it's giving pr training

Speaker 1 yeah a dozen current and former staff members on the bachelor accused them of creating a culture of fear and secrecy but no they're respected but i trust the lawyer yeah well i mean there's a difference between like raising you know, I don't know.

Speaker 1 I think I honestly don't know what to think. I think there are a lot of hurt feelings by what happened a couple of years ago.
You know, I think a lot, you know, the

Speaker 1 gen finale, I think they caught a lot of heat for that. That was Claire and Bennett.
You know, whose idea was it Claire? Was it Bennett? I don't know. They caught a lot of heat for that.

Speaker 1 They made a lot of decisions. And what I've heard is they kind of just left a lot of people out and they kind of siloed themselves.

Speaker 1 Anyways, it just seems like there was a lot of toxicity, a lot of bad feelings, a lot of people, you know, feeling like they were getting pushed out. Just

Speaker 1 what was described to me as very game of thrones over there.

Speaker 4 I'm like, how do they choose the next

Speaker 1 king of the throne? Well, that will be interesting because, again, it's very much like the Batch of franchise is run by Warner Brothers, right?

Speaker 1 And there's been a lot of mix up there, but it's also like ABC is the distributor, ABC slash Hulu slash Disney, ultimately Disney.

Speaker 1 And I don't really know how they decide all those things, but like there's a lot of say that ABC has, even though they're not the ones that produce it, right?

Speaker 1 So I think that's always kind of been their challenge about like, there's always been a lot of fighting for like who has the right to do what between ABC and Warner Brothers.

Speaker 1 So it'll be interesting to see it. Will ABC maybe get more pull with the shake-up or not? I don't know.

Speaker 4 We shall see.

Speaker 2 I hope with the shake-up, they also shake up the show a little bit. Same.

Speaker 1 That's what I'm hoping. I hope so, too.
I hope this is an opportunity, but I don't know if they will.

Speaker 2 Well, because I hope what happens is that like new people come in and then the work environment on their end becomes less toxic if it was in fact that way.

Speaker 2 And then people like kind of get their like creativity back and are excited to like shake things up on the show and it ripples.

Speaker 1 I always thought it was interesting that Claire, this Claire person, got hired because like she got hired right after she basically destroyed Bachelor in Paradise Canada. Like it no longer exists.

Speaker 1 What happened there? Well, does it exist anymore? I don't think so. I don't know.
Well, I don't know. I've never really seen it or watched it or followed it, but I don't know if there's a story.

Speaker 1 I just know that it no longer exists.

Speaker 1 And they're like, she's the right person for us. So it's like she has a trail of coming in and like being like, oh, let's just get rid of Bacherette.
Let's just get rid of Bachelor.

Speaker 2 You know what they need to bring back? They need to bring back the,

Speaker 2 was it called game, the Bachelor Games?

Speaker 1 It's called Bachelor Pad, you mean?

Speaker 2 Bachelor Pad, yeah. The one where they like all from, they cross all the seasons and then they would like play and be partners.

Speaker 1 You're thinking winter games. No.
She's talking about Bachelor Pad, which came out before Bachelor in Paradise. It was their original spin-off.

Speaker 1 Some say before their time, before like competition, reality shows from like bringing back old cast members and doing silly games and things like that. Like a lot of people thought it was great.

Speaker 1 For whatever reason, this was years ago. I loved it.

Speaker 1 This was years ago. I never watched it either, but I was familiar with it.
And then they canceled it. And then that's when they took like a couple year break.

Speaker 1 And that's how Bachelor in Paradise started because they were like looking for a different spin-off. And again, like maybe it was this before time.

Speaker 1 This was before like, you know, obviously Traders came out and the success of that and all these like competition shows where they brought like, you know, like they have Love Island all-stars, you know, and things like that.

Speaker 1 You know, and never, it didn't work back then and seems to work now. So I don't know.
So it's 2001. It's so good.

Speaker 3 Three seasons, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it had three seasons and went away. And then like, what, 2014 was the first year of Paradise, something like that.

Speaker 2 Was that also the same show where like at the end, they like, it was similar to how it is on Love Island where they get the chance to either split the money

Speaker 1 or like if they both

Speaker 1 he, it was like if you both agree to keep it, you split it.

Speaker 1 And if one person agrees to keep it and the other person, if some person says like, keep it and the other person says share it, the person who keeps it gets it.

Speaker 1 And this guy named Nicks took it and was very much hated, but he took like $250,000 and left the girl hanging.

Speaker 1 Left the girl hanging. So rude.

Speaker 4 It was wild.

Speaker 1 The exact opposite of it was a fancy thing.

Speaker 1 It was a big deal.

Speaker 1 It was the opposite of of the four traders coming it's what britney would have done in the traders finale it is what britney would have done yeah well speaking of bachelor we had fantasy sweets episode this week well he's clearly picking juliana juliana my girl boy cried

Speaker 1 she like she gave a very vocal fry version of trauma oh love her i mean yeah sure she seems lovely she seems nice i do i've been reading from them from day one i was like yeah cry together you did it's just a very long-winded way of being like yeah i mean my ex cheated on me my ex cheated on me.

Speaker 1 You know, it affects people differently. She's still healing.
I mean,

Speaker 1 like, it's a

Speaker 1 tough situation for sure. Like, but then Grant just crying.
I was like, is it hot there? Is it sweating? How moist? But then, like, fast forward to the dates with Latia, he was dry as fuck.

Speaker 1 I do always wonder about the temperature on these shows. Like, Temptation Island.
I'm like, how hot is it?

Speaker 3 Did you see the clip of Grant at the Woman Tell All where he, like, Jesse's announcing, like, let's look at the clip? And Grant looks like he's like physically uncomfortable.

Speaker 1 And people are like, what IBS does this man have right now like he wants to get off the stage he did look very uncomfortable yeah I saw that Nick what happens in that situation if you're like if you have IBS and you're the bachelor like what do you do

Speaker 1 like I'm not saying that this happened to you but you know you just gave like a whole thesis on

Speaker 1 he doesn't do potty talk okay if you if you're feeling a little have to have experienced absolutely what if you have a nervous poop what if you feel sick what if you have a tummy ache in what situation and you're the bachelor and you have to go on camera and be the bachelor and do fantasy suites, but you're like

Speaker 1 you

Speaker 1 potentially have like death of the red. I'm in the fantasy suite and

Speaker 1 I got bubble butt. Yeah.
What do you do in that situation?

Speaker 1 I think. Not bubble butt.
What? Bubble butt is from

Speaker 1 Spongebob.

Speaker 1 Or the song. Bubble gut.
Bubble gut. Like, I mean, yeah.
Do you tell producers or do you just hold it?

Speaker 1 You can't hold it in those situations. Or is this like bonding?

Speaker 3 You have to give him the specific instance. If you were Grant and...

Speaker 1 When was the last time you had the middle of the night urge to poop? Like 2 a.m. Two days ago.
Jesus Christ. Yeah, I mean, I, well, in my defense, I went out on Friday.

Speaker 1 I went out on Friday night and I ate mac and cheese before I went out and then I got kind of drunk and then I was like, oh no.

Speaker 1 Put it this way. This is the first time you're going to be alone with anyone in this environment.
So like, you know, whatever your body is feeling, you're probably fairly in tuned, you know?

Speaker 1 There might be like, just like, you know, like, now's the time.

Speaker 1 Imagine you're Juliana. You finally get your fantasy suite with cran and he's just like oh no

Speaker 1 excuse me

Speaker 1 no imagine you're juliana it's like white chicks

Speaker 1 no the white chicks scene literally yeah this is what i want to know from the like the toxic workplace environment but hope that gets better i want to know what's happening internally why do you assume i want to know what's happening in the fantasy suite if you've got bubble guns these are important questions acknowledge the intimacy of fantasy suites in this episode and for me like a fresh bachelor watcher like they don't do that right they do like did they try to like rebrand the word of fantasy suites too did they overnights or something like I feel like I've heard like a different term for a little bit that they were using they have used overnights I don't know if there's a rebrand there yeah okay maybe not because I'm still saying fantasy suites I have a question um so in this episode Katie and Latia talk and Katie says that she wishes that Zach had waited to tell her about what happened in the fantasy suites with the other women when did he tell her would you guys want to know after the fact or when did he tell her Zach had told Katie like in the middle of like when the season was still going on.

Speaker 2 And she's saying that she would have waited.

Speaker 1 He's like, I rather had sex with so-and-so.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Did we know that he did? Or was she being vague? It was it like, yeah, Zach told me, I wish he would have waited because he told me they cuddled.
So did Katie admit to having that to Zach?

Speaker 1 Did she call out Zach or something?

Speaker 2 She said that that was something that bothered her, that Zach told her about like what was going on or that he had been intimate with someone else.

Speaker 2 And then she suggested to Latia that like, you don't want to know.

Speaker 1 And Latia was like, Yeah, you're right. I don't want to know.

Speaker 2 And then she said to Grant, like, I don't want to know what you've done with other women. And I'm like, I would want to know.

Speaker 1 I don't think I would. No? No.
That would just be. You would rather wait until after.
Yeah. If I'm going to be.
Is it going to change your decision tree? Is it going to change your mind? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like how you make a decision. Does anyone

Speaker 1 decision tree? You know, it's like, if they do this, I'm going to do that. You know,

Speaker 1 cause and effect. Sure.
You know, you're on the bachelor. You know, this person has a fantasy suite with multiple people.
You know, they're given a green light if they want to potentially do that.

Speaker 1 Are you going to get engaged and then say, and break up with them?

Speaker 1 Are you going to be the first person in the history of the show to find out that the lead had sex with someone and then before AFR break up with them because they had sex with one other person and then come out of the AFR and be like, yeah, they fuck someone.

Speaker 1 So fuck them. You're going to do that?

Speaker 1 I mean, like, certainly sex has been talked about and it's been, you know, and for various reasons, people had problems with it or not have problems with it, but no one's actually been like, yeah, we broke up.

Speaker 1 And then it's like, why? Because they had sex with someone else. Like, that's never happened.
That's crazy then. All the years of the bachelor's.

Speaker 2 Right. And then you have situations like Susie where she found out.
that Clayton had been nicked.

Speaker 1 He said that before he, he said that. Clayton's was different because Clayton was this like, I love everybody.
And I had sex with everyone. Yeah.
And he came out at the Rose ceremony.

Speaker 1 He's like, yeah, I had sex with you. I had sex with you.
And I had sex with you. and he was like, I love you all, and like, isn't that great? Everyone's in love

Speaker 1 you're gonna be the bachelor, be the best. I swear to God, like, they must, they must have given uh Clayton advice while he was eating two burritos at the same time, and like, he just like,

Speaker 1 I think, I think you should tell all these women you had sex with them.

Speaker 1 He's like, sure, you know, like, not thinking, anyways, I think that that's nuts that Katie came out and was like, Yeah, Zach told me he had sex with someone else before my fantasy suite.

Speaker 1 I'm choosing you, but like, I slept with her. I thought it was like during a musical act where he like whispered in her ear and be like, Yeah, I had sex with her.

Speaker 1 Anyway, what did Grant make it seem like he didn't have sex? Well, when he was on the show, he definitely was like, I like literally was like, that changes everything.

Speaker 1 Like, I'm not having sex in fantasy suites. He kind of made it seem like he wasn't having sex.
He made it seem like he wasn't having sex. Yeah.
You know,

Speaker 1 we all assume they have sex, but that doesn't mean they do. Right.
We got to take Grant's word. You had sex.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 Before me? Huh?

Speaker 2 Uh, sweetly, are you listening?

Speaker 1 Breaking news.

Speaker 1 Well, anyways, but so. But wait, did you have sex with?

Speaker 1 No, wait, out of curiosity, because I'm curious if, like, because you knew you were going to pick Vanessa the whole time.

Speaker 1 So, like, if he knew he was going to pick Juliana the whole time, he's like, listen, like, I'm not having sex with anyone else but Juliana. Like, so, did you have sex with Vanessa?

Speaker 3 the whole time Nick was like has this happened before I was like I've never seen the bachelor but I'm pretty sure didn't that happen your season

Speaker 3 I'm not gonna

Speaker 1 I definitely when I was the bachelor was not gonna I'm not gonna ouch you I'm not I was not gonna like hook up with multiple people I knew that going in

Speaker 1 if I was gonna hook up with anyone it wasn't it was only gonna be one that was my my promise to myself

Speaker 1 that was your right reason yeah that was my right reason that was your boy scout you were like I will fuck one person you're okay

Speaker 1 also maybe, I wonder if Grant did too. Be intimate.
But he does love Latia,

Speaker 1 which is so confusing. It was, by the way, by the way, and I love you.

Speaker 1 It was a throwaway. But he did say he said it multiple times.

Speaker 1 It was like in the morning, and I was like, oh, my gosh, no, my girl. And it didn't feel like he ever really meant it.
Oh, well. Do you think he did? I think he did.
I think he did.

Speaker 1 He said it with eye contact. He probably thought he did.
He said it with conviction. Well, I knew it wasn't Zoe.

Speaker 3 Yeah. After that silent yoga.

Speaker 1 Which I think next week someone's going to be real pissed. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It'll be me if it's not Juliana. It's definitely Juliana.
It's definitely Juliana. Come on.

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, we don't know if it's definitely Juliana. I definitely think it's Juliana, and I definitely think Latia is going to be pissed.
The question is, will Latia be messy?

Speaker 1 Will she come out at AFR and be like, what's all that love talk? I mean, she's not going to be messy.

Speaker 3 You don't think so? She's a woman of God.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, because they can't be. The women of God are the meanest fucking bitches in my DM.
So I agree.

Speaker 3 I will say I respect Juliana when he was going to give out the roses and he was walking up and she's like, all right, ladies, as if she's like supporting everybody, but she's secretly like, I'm going to win.

Speaker 1 Yeah, she knows she's going to win.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Zoe.
Wow. What a run.
Justice for Zoe. What do you mean, justice for Zoe? She made it farther than she should.
She played the game.

Speaker 1 And by should, I mean, like, for someone who had no connection with the lead. No one-on-one.
No one on one.

Speaker 2 Gave her no opportunity. She had no one-on-one.
And then her final date is in a silent yoga session.

Speaker 1 Like, tell me you don't like me. Literally, like, you don't want to know anything about me.

Speaker 2 She was like, I'm so excited to like actually have time with him. And then she's like, a silent.

Speaker 1 I'm really excited to open up, really talk about just like stuff I've been through. He's like, so our date today, you won't be speaking.
And the instructor's thinking, shh.

Speaker 1 It's like, it's not me. It's not me, babe.

Speaker 2 And she hates yoga, too.

Speaker 1 Wow. She was set up.
You're right. She was.

Speaker 1 Well, coming up shortly, we have Crystal Minkoff and Cynthia Bailey of the hit show Humble Bragg joining us momentarily to talk a little Housewives of Atlanta, just a little bravo gossip, what's going on in their lives.

Speaker 1 And then after that, we also have Dasha joining us. Did your boots stop working? Did your truck break down? From that hit song and many more, she's also a big fan of White Lotus, we've heard.
And

Speaker 1 does a little pop culture. So we'll see what Dasha has to say coming up shortly as well.

Speaker 1 Any final thoughts on Basha before we move on to Crystal and Cynthia?

Speaker 3 Should we do our final bets on who's winning?

Speaker 1 Team Jules? Come the fuck on. I'll be messing up.
I'm Team Latia, but I'm... Team TT.
TT.

Speaker 1 No disrespect for Jules, but I think he's going to pick Jules. No disrespect to the winner.

Speaker 1 Well, we're just saying, like, we are Team Latia, but we do know that he will be picking Cynthia. No, not Team Jules.
I just... No, happy that they're happy.
I'm a fan of Latia's.

Speaker 1 Nick's a fan of runner-ups. Yeah, and I think she's a runner-up.
And he loves an underdog. And

Speaker 1 I think she got played. Oh, I think the producers played her.
I think Grant was very much a listen, like, it's not Grant's fault.

Speaker 1 He's coming, he doesn't know about this world, and he's going into this world with a level of, like, hey, you know, I'm going to trust you guys.

Speaker 1 Wait, does anyone else remember when he was here and he was talking about where Nick was like, if listen, like, that'll be an amazing finale? Like, you're really torn between two women.

Speaker 1 And he was like, I wasn't really that torn. Like, I just, I knew I was going to pick.
I just didn't want to, like, you know, it's like hurting someone's feelings. I'm curious.

Speaker 1 Well, that was performing because that preview of the finale, this man is like, how much more time do I have? I have to go right now. I'm not ready.
I'm not ready.

Speaker 1 That's not, but if he's faking that, if that's all bullshit, that's not his fault. That's the producer's fault.
That's Claren Bennett's fault. That's Claire.

Speaker 1 I mean, listen, I just don't expect, yeah, like, again, there's, there's no gun to anyone's head and no one's making you say anything. But in that world, he just doesn't know better.

Speaker 1 Of all the leads before him, people who like Grant wasn't in the top four, you know, either it was Hannah Brown.

Speaker 1 So it's not like, it's not like it hasn't happened before, but people who don't make it the top four have a very limited experience and very different experience about like the final stages of the season.

Speaker 1 And so if you make it the top four and then you become the lead, you are far more prepared than people who don't.

Speaker 1 You know, you just like, there's just, it's like a whole different version of filming with the stakes being elevated and that much higher.

Speaker 1 And for Grant having not had experience that, he's really going in this whole phase of the show incredibly blind and very much trusting these people.

Speaker 1 So like, and I've heard from previous producers that they always thought Bear, that Claire and Bennett, Bear,

Speaker 1 were very scripted, very staged, very much they kind of decided like the beats of the show and kind of just kind of told leads exactly what to do and say and didn't really give them much wiggle room.

Speaker 1 I heard that. Don't know if there'd be pushback from Claire and Bennett on that opinion, but that is what I heard.
But if that's true, I give Grant a lot of grace.

Speaker 1 I think Grant's been a great bachelor, to be honest. Like, I've really enjoyed watching him.

Speaker 1 I think he's very personable with all the ladies, and I haven't had one moment where I'm like, fuck this guy. And usually there's one moment in a bachelor season where I'm like, fuck this guy.

Speaker 1 But if he's saying, I love you, to Latia.

Speaker 1 And what if, what if Latia,

Speaker 1 the runner-up, what if the runner-up, they've positioned this whole season as like, he doesn't know, morning of, he doesn't know. They make it seem like, not even make it seem.

Speaker 1 They have Jesse Palmer come out in this preview and act as if like they are about to bring the two wins. It's proposal.
It's ready to go.

Speaker 1 It's proposal time whatever time of the day they have the proposal set it is time and he still doesn't know yeah and he's a he needs to let jesse know of all people like there's and there's no way that's true there is no way that's true just knowing how the show is done there is no way they woke up that morning and they were like who are you gonna pick and grant was like i have no idea But Jesse Palmer was like, I need to go to the bathroom.

Speaker 1 Bring Jesse Palmer. And if they really didn't know, if Grant really didn't know, the last person they would bring in is Jesse Palmer.
Because like what is, and again, love Jesse.

Speaker 1 Great at his job for what they asked the bachelor host to do but it's very different what they asked the Temptation Island host to do in terms of like actually giving advice I've never seen Jesse do anything other than pat them on the back and go all right well good luck

Speaker 1 so for Grant to say that he knew on this show that means that Claren Bennett basically forced Grant into pretending that morning he didn't know, which means that they might have forced Grant into saying a lot of shit to their runner-up that he didn't didn't believe or was true.

Speaker 1 And it will be very curious how Grant handles that. And I'll be curious to see if the,

Speaker 1 you know, if I'm the runner-up, I don't give a fuck. I wouldn't offer a Grant any grace.

Speaker 1 I mean, despite me offering him grace, because I'm not personally involved, if I'm the runner-up, I'd be like, fuck that guy. Fuck yourself.
Okay. Sounds toxic.
Guess we'll see. Can't wait.

Speaker 1 Well, up next, Crystal and Cynthia.

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Speaker 4 Atlanta's.

Speaker 1 Are you enjoying it? Love it. Oh, God.
Dude, Portia is. Oh, it's just getting started.
Porsche is no idea. Joke.
Listen. Porsche is no joke.
All right, ready? Just getting started. Crystal, Cynthia.

Speaker 1 Hi. Welcome back.
Hi.

Speaker 1 Thank you.

Speaker 4 We'd love to be back.

Speaker 1 Well, you should. You've been on a cruise for

Speaker 1 three weeks. She's been on like a private personal yacht.
Must be nice.

Speaker 4 It was nice, guys, and I'm happy to be back.

Speaker 1 How do you get involved?

Speaker 1 You look very rested.

Speaker 1 How does one get invited to a personal yacht? Yeah.

Speaker 4 We're going to talk about our pod, like the whole thing, but I am a good guest.

Speaker 1 You're a good guest. I'm a good guest.

Speaker 4 Like, I like to think of myself. I work very hard at being a good host.

Speaker 1 You're easy to be around.

Speaker 4 But I'm a good guest. I roll with it.

Speaker 4 You know, you want to do this? Yes, that's great. You want like extra energy?

Speaker 2 How easy there.

Speaker 1 This is your, you know, it's your boat.

Speaker 4 Yeah. It's like, I'm just, but I'm going to like, I roll with it.
And you just got to, like, I'm constantly aware of my host, how she's feeling.

Speaker 4 Like, is she happy with it? It's like, does she want us to be more located? Right. Like the energy.
I constantly, you're an energy person. Yeah.
So I read energy and I'm a good guest.

Speaker 4 And I got invited to my friend's birthday party on her $40 million yacht. It was really nice.

Speaker 4 And I had never been on a private yacht. I've never done that before.
I grew up on cruising.

Speaker 1 Neither have I. Well, it's near next.

Speaker 1 Was it, were you by yourself or it was Romania? No, it was nine girls total,

Speaker 4 including my host. And she had sailed for two years straight during COVID around the world.
And then she took a break.

Speaker 1 And then this was her first girls' trip.

Speaker 4 It was always been with her family. And a couple like friends pop and, you know, everyone gets like a week.

Speaker 1 When rich girls get together, do they bring man candy? No, no, no, no. It's not like that.
It's not like

Speaker 1 that.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 4 I haven't seen white lotus yet, but everyone kept referencing we were all white lotus somehow. And like, we'd walk it.
Like, I'm like, oh, is someone like, doesn't someone get murdered or something?

Speaker 4 I'm sure. But

Speaker 4 no, it's not like that. And by the way, not all the guests are like super wealthy.
It's a wide range. So, but all of us.

Speaker 1 Who's the poorest person?

Speaker 4 Yeah, like I'm closer to being the poorest, but like, no, that's not true.

Speaker 4 But it's like the discrepancy from her to us is so extreme so no matter how much you have you're still every second is exciting because you walk on and the girls are insane they're so gorgeous and beautiful and they always have a different water like a different flavored you know seltzer water that they made for you and a cold towel and you're like oh this is like fancy and then if you go to the dock you're like oh i want to jump in the water there's always someone there ready to put on like a you know like a sleeve for you i think i'm getting angry

Speaker 1 And they like, it's crazy.

Speaker 4 Every day, there's baskets of like sunscreen. Like for me, like, just like a brand new sunscreen is like, well, I don't know.
And it's a basket of 30.

Speaker 1 I officially hate my life right now, but continue.

Speaker 4 Continue. And the chef cooks breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
Of course. And they, it's just like, I just kept saying, like, I would be such a great billionaire.
I'd be such a generous billionaire.

Speaker 1 You would. I'd be giving out cars.
I would be.

Speaker 4 I would crush. And like, all my friends would be on this boat full time.

Speaker 4 And I got home at one last night. And I'm it's a rough transition, but I'm set.
This is the best one, the best transition to be.

Speaker 1 Speaking of good guests, uh, what happened with uh Chanel? Oh, okay, so you're not gonna give me a little wellness check and see how my week went. I just get all the smoke.

Speaker 1 This is how I'm doing.

Speaker 1 You're rough on the boat, Crystal, uh, on the yacht. And then, Cynthia, yeah, so what was the smoke with you and Chanel? Uh, Chanel.

Speaker 1 She came in hot, did she not? She came in hot. You know what? She did.
She She did.

Speaker 1 We had a little thing to squash. I don't want to call it the beef because.
Because this episode came out yesterday. Yes.
Yes. So if you guys haven't watched it, please watch it.
I heard it.

Speaker 1 It sounds like an episode of Housewives. Well, we went back and forth.
We went back and forth. And I feel like, you know, Chanel is, well, I know that she's a big personality.

Speaker 1 I, you know, am a personality, but I usually stay out of the smoke.

Speaker 1 I usually find a way all this, all these years, I've found a way to kind of dodge the landmines and just be good and we had some things we just needed to discuss and I'm not gonna go into detail because I literally just don't even have the strength did you squash hardest uh yeah we did I feel like we did did you

Speaker 1 left in a hole

Speaker 1 with some what didn't surprise me some stuff it didn't surprise me because I felt like you know we had a conversation all camera obviously and I apologize I apologize publicly I apologize apologize like I like set her up in a hotel like I was like we were good

Speaker 1 what did she say you did wrong no no she oh you're just gonna make me talk about this. Give me the

Speaker 1 short version. Oh, my God, Crystal, can you just say it? I just cannot even talk about it anymore because it's out and now it's gonna be everywhere.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, it wasn't even that serious or that deep. It was just a situation where.
Something was said at Bravo Fest. It hurt her feelings, but she has been in that exact situation before.

Speaker 1 I actually have a whole new situation that just happened this morning that I'm kind of in a hot seat with again.

Speaker 1 So I dick literally come in hot this morning, but you just explain because I just don't have the interview.

Speaker 4 Yes. So at Bravo Fest, Cindy was on with some of the girls from the show, and they had, you know, like Andy always asks you these

Speaker 4 shitty housewife.

Speaker 1 Who's the worst-dressed housewife? Who's the ugliest housewife? Who's the whatever? Terrible. So terrible.
Horrible.

Speaker 1 The ugliest housewife.

Speaker 1 I'm just exaggerating, but

Speaker 1 yeah, not minor. Not Mayard.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 They're like, yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, who looks the most shady?

Speaker 4 Like, yeah, like that's essential.

Speaker 1 Who looks awful without makeup? Who is the stylist? Yeah, like all that stuff.

Speaker 4 All those things. But they asked her the panel who was the most annoying housewife, and it was actually Phaedra that came up with Chanel.

Speaker 4 But it's like, you know, it's like collective answers, and you want to move forward.

Speaker 1 But we were a group, yeah.

Speaker 4 So, like, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,

Speaker 4 yes, and I, and Chanel called me.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, the word was annoying, annoying.

Speaker 1 So, she called me a but but but backstory, okay, she's in Phaedra's defense at BravoCon, not Bravo Fest, okay, BravoCon, Chanel was asked the shady question of who is the worst-dressed housewife, and she said, Phaedra.

Speaker 1 So, of course, Phaedra is going to get her leg back at some point. And the opportunity presented itself.
So, what is Chanel upset about?

Speaker 4 Because

Speaker 1 she

Speaker 1 co-whatever. I co-signed.
Cosigned.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 Cynthia's ex-husbands. And, you know, Portia had to answer.
It's like, who's like, whatever. Yeah.
So that's what happened.

Speaker 4 So she called me. It's very sad.
It's like, you know, I know she's your girl, but what's going on? I thought we were cool. I was like, like, dude, it's not that serious.

Speaker 4 I said, I'm sure she didn't come up with your name. And then I try to, I'm always like, you know, trying to be like everyone's friend.
I'm like, you know what?

Speaker 1 Now they're talking like

Speaker 1 I did come up with the name. The point is, we're all in a position to be asked shady questions and we have to pick somebody.

Speaker 4 No, just like if she annoying. I was like, oh, it's great.
You know,

Speaker 1 we're talking about you, whatever. I was called annoying before.
Thank you. She has a big personality.
People have big personalities.

Speaker 1 Sometimes it can be annoying.

Speaker 4 I said, you're a big personality. And I said, she doesn't bat a thousand.

Speaker 1 You know, she says some shit. Lots of times it lands.
It's pretty funny. That's right.
You know, it's not that bad. It might not be for everybody.

Speaker 4 She doesn't bat a thousand.

Speaker 1 So then it became a little bit of a shame, but they got a thousand. No, no one does.

Speaker 1 Well, with all

Speaker 4 my darling.

Speaker 1 After all the years I've been on housewise, with all the shit I've been called, I would graciously take annoying. Like, that is such low-hanging fruit for me.
I'm like, okay, good. We can move on.

Speaker 1 Like, I literally wouldn't even. That's what she's all upset about.
Why are you catching heat in the comments?

Speaker 4 Oh, well during the squashing and honestly like i knew she was going to be like high energy when she came on but and i and i brought it up i mean i'm like hey let's talk about it because i knew it was going to be talked about and i kind of thought it was going to be like well this is what happened but we love each other now that's sort of how i deal with things but it got slightly more heated because it was a little bit more like well that's not what happened and da da so i was a little surprised but Cynthia was very clear about actually what happened.

Speaker 4 And I don't know why you're going to heat. I'm actually shocked.

Speaker 1 But I was there. Well, you were there.
So do you feel like I came in too hot?

Speaker 4 Or do you feel like she came in too hot? Oh, I was very clear with her. When she called me, she goes, Cynthia came in hot.
I was like, whoa, you need to bring context.

Speaker 1 This is humble brag. All we do is sit and talk shit about ourselves all day.
That's right. I mean, we literally are the safest place for anyone to come on our show.

Speaker 4 She knows. And she admitted it.
I go, no, no, no. You were a 10.
She was a two.

Speaker 1 And she

Speaker 1 did race up to meet her where she was at. Someone's yelling at me.
I did go right back. Hell yeah.
But it was like all love. I had, look, I think she's a great TV.
I think she's great. I

Speaker 1 have a lot of love for Chanel.

Speaker 1 I really am glad that we are hopefully on the other side of Shut Up Nick.

Speaker 1 I'm glad we're on the other side and I'm glad we squashed it. But it was, it was all love.
But for me, it's like, the thing that I like about Humble Brag is.

Speaker 1 We really don't really ever have a beef with anyone on here. We actually bring on people that we're usually good with.
And I thought, you know what? This will be a fun.

Speaker 1 And I think to your, in your defense, you thought, oh, yeah, squash that beat. This is going to be super cute.
Yeah, those are cute.

Speaker 1 We're just kind of just like really lovingly and kindly, you know, kind and

Speaker 1 just be super sweet and squashing. I haven't filmed in a year.
I forget how intense housewives can be.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Can I tell you? You been a little rusty.

Speaker 1 That thing, it started off like literally like nothing and it escalated into a complete inferno. And Crystal sitting there was like, yeah, Crystal,

Speaker 1 yeah, we got to squash this beef. Oh my God, this is what it's like filming.

Speaker 1 Go check it out now.

Speaker 1 Have you seen the drama that your ex-co-star's been in with her hairstylist?

Speaker 4 Oh, yes, I have. In fact, I kind of got into it a little bit.

Speaker 1 Where do you stand?

Speaker 4 Well, I don't, I feel like people need to pay their bills. And so, like, that's my, what is that? Like edgy?

Speaker 1 I think you should pay your bills. I mean,

Speaker 1 aggressive. Okay.

Speaker 4 I don't know. I'm like, pay your bills.
And also, like, you guys know, I'm not, I can be quite cheap. So it's like, I don't, I don't want to buy something.
I, you know, whatever.

Speaker 4 I be people's services.

Speaker 1 Like, you pay them. Sometimes the good people in the service industry, your stylists, your makeup artists, your hairdressers, every once in a while, they are a little dramatic.

Speaker 4 Sometimes. So I will say, I watched his whole thing.

Speaker 1 It's a little gossipy.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I watched his whole nine-minute thing. And he did admit, though, that it was actually paid.
There was a misunderstanding. Yeah.
So I do feel like he actually told the whole story.

Speaker 1 He did take.

Speaker 1 He did. He definitely did take time.
Give us time. Give the people a good context.
Sure. So Dorit Tracy Tudor went on Jeff Lewis and kind of was like, she doesn't pay her bills.

Speaker 1 Based on my knowledge, there's several people that haven't been paid by her, including my stylist, who I think just tallied up with finally and her makeup artist.

Speaker 1 So she's like throwing shade saying she doesn't pay her bills, whatever. So then Dorit goes and watch what happens live.
Andy asks her about it. Darit squashes it.
She's like, there's nothing to it.

Speaker 1 It's hysterical. That's the funniest thing I've ever heard.
Like wholeheartedly, there's a whole lot of shit that's said. I don't know.
It came out of left field.

Speaker 1 So then her hairstylist goes and makes this nine minute long video. Takes very long to get to the point of like, yeah, by the way, like it was paid for and it really wasn't that big of a deal.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 So he did say that. So I feel like it was, I think the part of the hotel bill was paid, but then she hadn't paid for his services yet.
I mean, four months is a long time not to pay.

Speaker 4 She did end up what it sounded like squaring up.

Speaker 4 But I think it's also like. Tracy probably just doesn't like, and I love Tracy, by the way.
So like we're really good friends.

Speaker 4 But I just think that there's just like history of you know rumors that three doesn't pay certain bills I remember last my last reunion she didn't pay her nurse who she did some kind of cosmetic surgery a private nurse so that came up at the reunion I'm just saying that because that came up already but then she like settled up after that so maybe she just pay her bills maybe she's like a net maybe she just does she not pay the bills or does she pay it late like there's two different things

Speaker 1 because it sounds like these people are getting paid but maybe not in a timely moving No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 My biggest shocker was when her stylist showed the receipts and he kind of went through all the various jobs or thing. But like she gets glam for everything.
It's like Lakers game doing good.

Speaker 1 I saw that. I looked at it.

Speaker 1 It's like we can't put it up in a bun and wear a chunky sweater. Two blocks down.
Yeah, but that's why it's going to be taken if your photo is going to be taken.

Speaker 1 My photo's taken all the time.

Speaker 1 I know, I know, but like if you if you're going to be out and about, like honestly, and you think that your photo is gonna be taken and you don't know how everyone every housewife doesn't know how to do their own glam i'm very i feel like you spent so much time with me already i thought i've taught you stuff oh to be cheap

Speaker 1 what do you mean by your own

Speaker 1 i'm good at my own she's going to a laker game she's i know but i wouldn't go to a laker glam i wouldn't go to a lakers game without makeup on straight i wouldn't do it straight straight i would put a little bit of straight dumb male here is there a difference between doing your makeup and doing your glam no it's the same thing but glam does it no it is glam comes to you to do it for you doing your own makeup you just do it yourself and i do it myself a lot but i will say a lot of the housewives that i work with

Speaker 1 like i did myself this morning oh my god you look thank you and yeah she's really i'm good but everyone is not good at doing their makeup so they have to depend on glam and if you can afford it and if you want your glam to come and do you every time you walk out the door

Speaker 1 then let your glam do you every time you walk out the door i'm not mad at it i'm not gonna do it like i'll do my own if when i can't kill it what's that yeah but even that no one's getting glam on the boat Like, I don't know.

Speaker 4 I'm spending that kind of money. It's absurd.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but you don't have paparazzi on the boat.

Speaker 4 Like, you guys were like, girl, I go to a Dodger, a Laker game, a Rams game every week. I'm not getting glam for it.

Speaker 1 That's insane. Well, you're not like a girl.
Which ton of money? Like, you're not like that. Like, you'll put a little bit on, but you're not, makeup is not your thing.

Speaker 1 And actually, I don't think Dore does, I don't think she wears a lot of makeup.

Speaker 4 I just find that kind of a ridiculous expense. That's unnecessary.
That's personal.

Speaker 1 So if you are taking days, if here's the thing.

Speaker 4 Do I think his video was kind of long-winded to get there? Yes.

Speaker 4 However, I understand as like an individual like service provider, if you are being accused of essentially stealing someone's credit card, you're going to defend yourself as well.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 4 She said he used it without, he wasn't allowed to use it, right?

Speaker 1 Authorization? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 When he used your credit card?

Speaker 4 That's what she said. He used my credit card without authorization.
That is accusing someone. of stealing money.
I mean,

Speaker 4 that's a big accusation too on national television.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 So I actually appreciated it because he was honest. He's like, I, well, from what I, I mean, I'm taking it as honesty, is that he said it was actually paid.

Speaker 4 I didn't know, but she never paid me until about for the glam stuff, not the hotel stuff. So it was clearly misunderstanding on that part, but accusing someone of using your credit card also.

Speaker 4 And maybe that's her experience. I don't know.
But

Speaker 1 it was the last time you spoke with Doreen at the reunion. Yeah.
So you hate her. I don't hate her.
I just hate her.

Speaker 4 She's a co-worker. Like these girls.

Speaker 1 She's so messy. I don't care.

Speaker 1 Why are you such a gaslighter? You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 That was a question. She could be like, no.
Do you hate her?

Speaker 1 He's a hater. He's a hater.
No, I don't hate her.

Speaker 4 I don't hate any of these people. Like, I, I actually really respect all the girls who do housewives.
Like, it's such a tough job.

Speaker 1 It really is.

Speaker 4 You know, it's so hard. I have so much respect.
They put a lot of effort. Her to put her, like, blast.
her kid's father on television for years. Like, that's intense.

Speaker 4 Like, you got to really, you're working for your paycheck for that one because you know your kids are going to watch that one day you know i would not do that personally but like yeah i i also respect that you have to like pay your bills i mean i just think her bills are high they're high bills like i just would not for those kinds of things it's not my thing

Speaker 1 just going back to the glam stuff really quickly uh for me i think that

Speaker 1 when like because we have like people that get us together all the time so when we have people in our circle i feel like it really sucks if they're gonna like blast you on social media if you're late paying a bill like i've definitely had glam where it's like i get glammed up and i forget i'm like oh i gotta pay them they'll like you know text me and then you just pay it but like i would hate to like be two days late and be like oh you know that would be weird if someone was two days late yeah yeah it sounded like this went on for it sounded like

Speaker 1 he said four

Speaker 1 months okay well that's a whole yeah that's a whole another situation i just wanted like because some sometimes people just want to blast celebrities like celebrities are like i keep dming during come on the show and she keeps reading it and she keeps not responding shut shut up is that true no

Speaker 1 i thought aren't you blocked oh no it's jeff's jeff is blocked jeff's blocked i'm not blocked

Speaker 1 i'm not blocked and nick has even been openly about like how much he's been attracted to her oh wow

Speaker 1 that would bring me in right someone said they were attracting me

Speaker 1 i promise you i promise you a good time

Speaker 1 i mean the podcast don't have a good time here it's a good time like a safe good time safe space

Speaker 1 i promise her a safe space um

Speaker 1 she keeps reading it but i don't respond

Speaker 1 you don't think she's checking your dms no

Speaker 4 because i don't know and i see that not as like that that's not like hidden news i think she's one of those girls who are like don't read it it's it's it's like you know some people just don't read that stuff so i don't know if that's her to be honest where do you uh you talk who are you talking to these days of the cast talked to garcel yesterday sutton Yeah, I saw Sutton a couple weeks ago.

Speaker 1 How's she doing?

Speaker 4 I don't know. I think she's, you know.
I talked to Cynthia.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 I'm on a boat. I have like all my friends.
I make yachts. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Like, I, like I said, like, they're all like, I would be totally fine in a room with any of them.

Speaker 4 I just, it's like co-workers and, you know, and some lean slightly more towards friends, but I also have my.

Speaker 1 Oh, I talked to you. You're talking about you.
Wait a minute. I talked about you with your Alex Baskin.
Oh, Alex. Alex.
Oh, yeah. I did.
Oh, he texted me. Yeah.
He's great. We talked about you.

Speaker 1 I was like, well, Crystal is fired up.

Speaker 1 I haven't dinner with him this week. Oh, good.

Speaker 4 Has Alex been on the show?

Speaker 1 He's not. No.
He was great. He has a lot of shows that he's working on right now.

Speaker 4 Alex is the king of Bravo. Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, I realized that. He's cool.
That was my first time meeting him. Rajas of Atlanta is back.
It is. Better than ever.
It is. Whoa.
It's cool.

Speaker 1 I'm fairly new to it. I've seen episodes here and there,

Speaker 1 but I'm just starting to get into it. Okay, so are you caught up with season three? I'm caught up, but I'm not like, I'm caught up, but I'm not like quite following following yet.

Speaker 1 When you don't know a lot of people,

Speaker 1 yeah, you need the history. You know, learning about the history.
He needs the ex-husbands.

Speaker 1 He needs like the family tree. Absolutely obsessed that Charles Oakley.

Speaker 1 Did not know that.

Speaker 1 Huge basketball fan of the 90s. Oh, yeah.
He dominated. So I thought that was pretty cool.
I was like, who is the silver fox coming into the scene? Charles Oakley. It is Charles Oakley.

Speaker 1 Basketball green. Thought that was pretty cool.
I was very excited about that. What can we expect this season?

Speaker 1 You know, I think you guys can expect for it to be a very unpredictable season. There's a lot of ups and downs.
Things just kind of go crazy. But I think it's a new season.
I think it's very fresh.

Speaker 1 I think the energy is very different. I think the newest, I think, is the right balance of new blood and old blood.
And I think you guys are definitely in for a treatment. Who are you closest with?

Speaker 1 Well, I am pretty much in a good place with all of the ladies.

Speaker 1 I did have a little closest

Speaker 1 Drew, I spoke to Drew this morning. She was a little tipped about something I said in one of my confessionals.
So, oh, Lord, why do I have to like keep it?

Speaker 1 Well, I was going to ask, I already have it on the other side. I was going to ask,

Speaker 1 where are you on the dentist of it all? Do you, are you on

Speaker 1 Portia

Speaker 1 or Drew's side? I am on Portia's side with that situation because I 100%,

Speaker 1 1000% would never work with any of these ladies. Exes.

Speaker 1 Fathers of their children, exes booze like if i if they have any affiliation with these ladies for the most part and in a serious way if i've had a child with you if i've been married to you there's no way that i would want any of these ladies to be on my show shooting scenes with them for whatever reason like i just think that's kind of crossing the line and if they want to work outside of the show which i wouldn't even do that personally is one thing But coming on the platform as well, it's kind of like, okay, now you're just like, like, now it's just weird.

Speaker 1 yeah i fully not cool that's you can't i agree too

Speaker 1 yeah and especially drew calling him her angel from heaven her lord it was a little a little triggering yeah was drew mad about the fib or two yes three or four hive i know she was like really so i woke up to that and then like the whole humble break interview is out so it's i usually try to i choose peace i don't really want smoke and miss bailey has been getting a lot of smoke this morning.

Speaker 1 I was like, you know, at least it's all together. Just like, get through.
So I know

Speaker 1 you clearly have to check my phone because Drew's going to definitely,

Speaker 1 you know, give me some smoke today on Instagram. And I don't really play on Instagram.
I usually just do my stuff by confessionals, get in and get out.

Speaker 1 So I'm expecting a little smoke bomb from Drew today because you think, even though she like texted you personally, she still talked about it.

Speaker 1 She texted and I just called her. And that's how we'll still be doing that.
So I didn't finish watching all the show yet. But what I said was, I was like, Drew has never never lied to me.

Speaker 1 However, and I kept, I don't know if they took that part out, whatever, which is a big part to keep in for the rest of

Speaker 1 the conversation.

Speaker 1 So I'm going to watch it again. But at this point, I'm like, girl, just light me up.
You know what? It's like, come for Cynthia Day. Let's go.
Hopefully, she's not going to light me up too bad.

Speaker 1 Cause if she does, then I got it. Then

Speaker 1 I got to come back later.

Speaker 1 You're going to have to come back.

Speaker 1 I don't want to. Maybe we shouldn't have any Drew smoke.
You really think after squashing it privately, she's going to take it publicly to Instagram and like, oh, absolutely. This is Atlanta, babe.

Speaker 1 This is Atlanta housewives, for sure. She's not going to let it go.
So why even bother reaching out? Well, I actually appreciate it. Like, if there's a bomb coming my way, I actually like to be told.

Speaker 1 I don't want to just be minding my business.

Speaker 1 Can I tell a sudden, like, wait a minute? We don't have my business going up. I agree.
I would rather have that direct because I would just see it online.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 then no one says anything. So it's constantly like passive aggressive and fear-based, everything.

Speaker 4 Where this is like direct, like, yo, I didn't like that.

Speaker 1 And it's like, but I was like, I got to give you a little smoke, Miss Black.

Speaker 1 I was like, All right, just bring it on. But the smoke is not too much, hopefully.

Speaker 4 It's all part of the game, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I gave her a sparkler. I threw a little sparkler on the fire.
Hopefully, I'm not going to get a bomb back.

Speaker 1 I don't know what she's going to say, but I think the best response would be, I honestly don't care.

Speaker 1 That is not the best response. Oh, my God.
It absolutely is the best response. I mean, you can feel that way, but I mean, I don't know.
I think my response is just just going to be,

Speaker 1 you know, the go-to. Look, sorry, fun shade.
Sorry. You know, I didn't put any extra hot sauce on it.
I just basically. Oopsie.
Yeah. Oops.
My bad. Sorry.
My bad. I mean, I love Drew.

Speaker 3 It looks like they cut out the first part of that. So it's you saying it wouldn't be the first time she's been caught up.

Speaker 1 Well, of course they cut off the first part, which would have made it all better for her. She's never lied to me.
And I said it a hundred times. I'm telling you, I said that confession.

Speaker 1 I said, but she's never lied to me. Drew has has never lied to me.
And I was like, and then what's the part that made the cut? Well, it's like, well, but she has been caught with the other ladies

Speaker 1 and a fib. And I didn't want to say that.
Is that true? I didn't even want to say the word lie.

Speaker 1 I didn't even say lie. I said fib.

Speaker 1 I thought it was softer. The part that made the cut still true, correct? Oh, according to the other ladies.
Absolutely. Okay, so then what's the problem?

Speaker 1 Well, the problem is I chimed in on it, and I guess I should have just like said in my confessional and just not said anything. But I was like, you know, I thought I was helping her.

Speaker 1 I was like, she's never lied to me, but

Speaker 1 she is apparently being caught in lieu with some other life. It is what it is.
That's what the show is. It's silly.
And what's the big,

Speaker 1 because I know this was happening the offseason, but like the revenge porn.

Speaker 1 Oh, God. Okay, I can't even go there with you.
Are you not even there? We're not even. That's so far down the line.
We'll have to come back for that. I can only take the season.

Speaker 1 Will that be part of the season? Yes, it will. Okay.
Yes. Okay.
I mean, wait, wait, wait. Will it be a part? Like, it's going to be a dress.
That's

Speaker 1 the whole thing. I don't know what they're going to show.
I don't know how much you guys will see. Do you have a side?

Speaker 1 I do have a side on that as well. I would never do that to anyone.

Speaker 1 I did not feel like it was a good look for anyone involved, especially Kenya, who, you know, is my friend, who I've known forever and had a great relationship with.

Speaker 1 I just didn't think that it looked good for her

Speaker 1 to do that, basically. And I just couldn't support it.
So I'll leave it right there. That was a gentle wave.

Speaker 1 Is there anything else?

Speaker 1 is there any more smoke that I can get off here today? What?

Speaker 1 You are a gentle wave. I'm sorry.
Is this not a Bravo podcast where we talk about tea and rumors? Oh, my God. You're just like, he stirs the body.
By me. We got to bring you on humble break.

Speaker 1 Like, we try to sugarcoat stuff and be kind of like nice about stuff. You just come in.

Speaker 1 We throw out revenge porn all over a party. Yeah, I don't know.
Are we supposed to be gentle with that? I mean, it's your friend.

Speaker 1 I'm just saying it.

Speaker 1 No, she said it was not that it's not i don't even want to call it revenge porn that was said but i don't think that's what it was like i don't feel like that's what it was it was something that was just over the top and hugely inappropriate

Speaker 1 and something that i don't think should have happened and something that i don't support and something i certainly would not have done but i don't want to say it was revenge porn so

Speaker 1 I don't need any extra smoke, please.

Speaker 1 I don't need no Kenya smoke right now. No Kenya smoke.
No, I got enough people on my ass today. Do you ever bring the smoke or are you smoke free?

Speaker 1 I try to be smoke free, but it does not obviously work out for me that well. I get pulled into the smoke.
And for some reason, when like these girls, especially Atlanta, like they come in with Uzis.

Speaker 1 You know what I'm saying? They will like light you up. And then I throw a tiny little bomb in and it's like all eyes on me are like, well, what has Cynthia said? I'm like, wait a minute.

Speaker 1 Everybody's like dead already. I literally threw a bomb on a dead body already.
You guys killed everybody. But for some reason, when I chime in, it just ends up being like, well, wait a minute.

Speaker 1 Because unexpected. Forget what everybody else is saying.
Well, you're the most probably thoughtful and delicate.

Speaker 1 And so when you do say something, it like it feels like less reactive and more like thought through.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I don't know if that's right, but I will just say that the ladies and just in general, I'm just not like, hey, I'm going to just come for everybody.

Speaker 1 And I'm like lighting lighting everybody up that's not my personality on the show that is not what i enjoy i do not thrive in that space

Speaker 1 and i really don't even like to ever say anything negative about my castmates to be honest i mean now if they're coming for me if they're just coming for me guns blazing then i have to defend myself always but i'm not i don't have fun like you know talking about my castmates to be honest you're you're worried about drew today

Speaker 1 What if I come to your campaign? I will be checking my Instagram. What if I go to Warwick? When I get off the phone.

Speaker 1 When I get it it done with this interview i will be checking instagram but i think it was fair it's gonna be nice hopefully drew text you was like it was fair right you felt it was fair and she basically was like oh okay

Speaker 1 but when you said i was hoping she didn't see it but of course she saw it what i know maybe maybe she got up to use the bathroom doing my part like i don't know like i was hoping like lord please she was on her phone scrolling she's mindless she didn't see it and then i almost thought about calling her saying hey i said you know i gave you a little smoke in the commit in the confessional but I was like, you know what?

Speaker 1 I haven't heard anything. Everything's really quiet.
Maybe somehow, like, she didn't even see the episode. It's not that big of a deal.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Of course, you saw the episode. She was like, Good morning.
I was like,

Speaker 1 Good morning. I was not expecting that show.
I was just like, I saw the episode. I saw your confessional.

Speaker 1 So, if there's a little smoke pump that comes your way, but isn't it funny?

Speaker 4 Because you do it so long ago, so you kind of forget.

Speaker 1 I think honestly, I forgot. And I really felt like they would have just done me that solid and kept my little like disclaimer in that I think she was there for Solid.
What do you think? I know.

Speaker 1 What show do I think I'm on?

Speaker 4 I know it's crazy, but it made it funny. Yeah, but I watched it this morning.

Speaker 1 I was like, I think it's gonna. No, I think people love to see me squirm.
It's just such an uncomfortable place for me.

Speaker 1 What do you guys think? Uh, last topic before we uh we let you ladies go, but what do you guys think about housewives fake quitting or walking off or suggesting they're quitting?

Speaker 1 Are you are there of you familiar with the introduction?

Speaker 1 No, well, no, that's a little different because obviously Teddy, with what Teddy's going through, our hearts go out to her. Oh, okay.
Talking about Salt Lake City. Oh, Lisa Barlow.
Lisa Barlow is.

Speaker 1 Took it out of her Instagram bio. It was like before.

Speaker 4 Oh, and then she was filming again or something.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So, like, first it was like they were all filming without Lisa and Meredith.
And it was like, oh, are they not on this season? Then she removes Salt Lake City from her Instagram bio.

Speaker 1 And then we see her and Meredith filming.

Speaker 4 So was it about money? Was it a contract negotiation?

Speaker 1 We don't know. Who wouldn't know? But

Speaker 1 I guess my question to you is: like, how performative do you feel like these walkouts or these cryptic posts of like, oh, I'm finally done here? Like, do you think it's real?

Speaker 1 I mean, or do you think it's performative? I feel like I think it's a mix. I feel like with Tamra, I mean, obviously, given what's going on with Teddy, Teddy's fighting for her life.

Speaker 1 Our hearts go out to her. I couldn't imagine being in Tamra's shoes.
I know Tamra's obviously been very, you know,

Speaker 1 Tara's season's been messy, but like when your co-host is literally fighting for her life and you're filming. housewives and 100%.
Like it just kind of, it feels also unnecessary and unserious.

Speaker 4 No, I mean, the reason why I brought her up was was because I thought I couldn't believe people were giving her shit about it because I didn't want people to do that because she's struggling so much.

Speaker 4 You know, so I texted her. I said, look, like, you got to just do whatever's right for you each day.
It's like, it's all too much. It's so intense right now.

Speaker 4 And, you know, Teddy and I have so many mutual friends. It's really, really an intense situation.
But in terms of

Speaker 4 Salt Lake. I don't know.
I mean, I guess a good housewife is erratic and emotional and, you know, spontaneous.

Speaker 4 Maybe that's how they feel it's like the opposite of my personality i would wait until every single you know contract is signed until i make any moves like that but um it certainly created buzz right and maybe it helped her get her contract signed if that was it i have no idea have you ever had to search for a quote to post it

Speaker 3 a quote like a what was the what was the quote that meredith put up justin Well, so basically Whitney posted on her Instagram story saying, when you know, you know, don't second guess it.

Speaker 3 You were right in the first place and you knew all along. So act off your instinct.

Speaker 1 The Meredith reposed. That's that's in response to Lisa fake quitting.
Maybe who posted that?

Speaker 1 Whitney. So Whitney was basically like, don't second guess yourself.
Like, keep on walking. Yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 Keep on leaving.

Speaker 3 And then Meredith posted in red font on her story saying,

Speaker 3 don't walk in front of me. I may not follow.
Don't walk behind me. I may not lead.
Walk beside me. Just be my friend, Albert.

Speaker 1 Now, I feel like that's actually shade towards Lisa. We don't know.

Speaker 1 If I'm reading between the lines and with Meredith, I love that we have to figure this all out and they just don't say what they're trying to say. It's so dramatic.

Speaker 1 Is that like would Atlanta just say what they need to say and not like be so I don't think they would ever do that. Do they have to quote me? No.
Atlanta don't do quotes. We don't.
They just

Speaker 1 come in. They don't do pinches.
They just come in. They created.

Speaker 1 They just say what they have to say. But going back to the quitting thing, for me, if I walked away from the show or quit the show,

Speaker 1 I don't know if I had any doubt about like if I wanted to go back. I don't think I would post about it.
I just think I would just do it. And if they hear about it, it is what it is.
So I don't know.

Speaker 1 I think there's something about doing and then posting that seems a little performative.

Speaker 4 Yeah, so maybe it's performative and now it's the topic of what the future is.

Speaker 1 That quote almost from Meredith is, I feel like it seems to be directed at Lisa because it's kind of like, don't walk in front of me. Like, I'm not, I'm not a follower.

Speaker 1 I'm not, I'm not going to, I'm not going to go behind you or front of you.

Speaker 1 Let's do this together. And Lisa's been her friend.
And now it's like, is Lisa like not negotiating?

Speaker 4 By the way, that's what they're setting up for the drama. It's like, it's, it's like easy drama that they can now film.
So maybe that's what it was for, you know?

Speaker 4 It doesn't seem like a big deal.

Speaker 1 But that's giving jump the shark, you know? I don't, I don't need you to fake quit to give me.

Speaker 4 Well, I wouldn't fake quit just because I wouldn't want my bosses to see me fake quit.

Speaker 1 I think that's a problem.

Speaker 4 Like, I don't know. That's to me.

Speaker 1 Then you got to like fake go back. Yeah, that's very quick.
I don't know. You got to fake quit and then you got to go back.
And then like. Is storming off ever staged?

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Really?

Speaker 1 storming off like like a reunion yeah of course it is and by and by stage is that coming from the women

Speaker 4 you don't have to come back but there's no producers being like you should if you if you feel so compelled to walk off oh no no no no no no that's never it's never not it's like a personal like plan of i think that's a personal plan no i don't think producers want you to walk off i mean i think if they do they're happy because it creates a little more you know like it's like a commercial break yeah you know but no i don't i mean but no producer to ever say that to me because they know I wouldn't walk off.

Speaker 4 That's not my personality. But, you know, I think it's performative.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I would never want to walk off, but if I was

Speaker 1 in a situation where I needed a minute, then I would like the option to walk off if I wanted to, but it's just never happened. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then it's like, is it even worth it?

Speaker 3 I was going to say, have you seen that allegedly Kyle walks off at the reunion twice?

Speaker 1 Have you heard that? Oh, she has? That's what I hear. Yeah.
I'm not. Yeah.

Speaker 4 I think she's walked off before.

Speaker 1 Probably. Yeah.
But she goes back. She's bad circulation.

Speaker 4 So it's like you walk off.

Speaker 1 I swear to God, if next season we're still talking about her and Mo's separation, I'm going to lose it.

Speaker 1 I think maybe.

Speaker 4 For the rest of our lives, maybe.

Speaker 1 Because they'll never,

Speaker 1 are they not getting divorced because of money? Oh, God, I don't know. That I don't know.
But what do you suspect?

Speaker 4 Divorce, money. I mean, a lot of people don't get divorced.
It's constant conversation in my world. People don't get divorced because it's so expensive, too.

Speaker 4 So even if they don't, I don't know if it's like, I mean, that's just a marriage is a business, guys.

Speaker 4 You know, it's not, I mean, you can love someone and not be married, you can love someone be married, but marriage is a business at the end of the day, and they've built a massive business together.

Speaker 4 So, if they don't get divorced, I don't think it's you know, but just say that then be like, hey, we're together for the money. Well, I don't think anyone wants it.

Speaker 4 You just, it's well, yeah, yeah, I guess you could say that. Like, we don't want to get divorced because it's too expensive and we're happy in our situation.

Speaker 4 I guess you could do that, but then how would you, how would you have a whole season of drama?

Speaker 1 Yeah, they got, she has to like say that about the girls and the air. Now it's not dramatic now.
Now it's just like, oh, we're pretending to do this again.

Speaker 4 Um, Well, I guess maybe we have to wait till if they do that next season. I don't know.
I mean, I can't say them really watching it, so I don't know.

Speaker 1 But I feel bad when I watch the scenes. I don't know if you can see it in someone's divorce.
I find that like it is sad to watch those scenes.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I don't want to watch it.

Speaker 1 I feel really bad when I watch the scenes. I don't know why.
Like, I just like root for them somehow. But I get it if

Speaker 1 it's done. You know what I mean? I mean, I've been divorced twice, so I get it if it's over, but I don't know.

Speaker 4 Yeah. I just think I put myself and her.

Speaker 1 They're not together anymore if they're not going to be together. together, I don't want to watch it.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 If they're not going to be together, I just don't want to see them together on TV because it's just, it makes me want, it gives me hope. It's like, okay, look at them having something.

Speaker 1 No, because they all have chemistry on screen over there. And it's like, oh, you know.

Speaker 4 But, you know, the fact that they're filming together, maybe there is something. Who knows? Or they're just used to their lives being so played out.
I don't know. On TV.
I don't know. But.

Speaker 4 Okay. Yeah, I think it'll be forever.

Speaker 1 Well, it's always great catching up with you too.

Speaker 1 Excited to hear what's going on and uh i'm gonna check out that humble brag episode and

Speaker 1 you should you're so you're so messy nick you love the mess like he loves the mess this is shocked you're getting heat for it i've never really am like this is what i'll defend like our fourth guess like it was like a fourth or fifth guess this this was this was uh i love it i know yeah it's exciting

Speaker 1 we're very excited for the season of atlanta thank you and rooting for you and all this please do Just me in prayer. Oh, well, we absolutely will.

Speaker 1 And we hope Crystal gets back on real. You are queen.
You look great.

Speaker 1 Everything about you is great.

Speaker 4 No one ever worries about you.

Speaker 4 You are. We're going to cuddle you later.
And you know, I don't like to touch anybody.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. Crystal's going to touch me.

Speaker 1 You know, I'm having a fucked-up day if Crystal's going to actually touch me.

Speaker 1 Well, check out Humble Brag, everyone, if you haven't already. It's a the doozy of an episode.
They're all incredible episodes, and it's available wherever you get your podcast. So check it out.

Speaker 1 Thanks, guys. Thank you.
Love you guys.

Speaker 1 Well, excited to watch more Atlanta Housewives, according to Cynthia.

Speaker 1 They're less passive-aggressive. I'm here for it.

Speaker 3 This is also the perfect time for you to be watching Nick because it's kind of like their revamp season where they brought back a lot of the old cast and then also brought in new people.

Speaker 1 I feel like Phaedra's like not really been like.

Speaker 3 She comes in later.

Speaker 1 She's still on Married to Medicine.

Speaker 3 From like an audience standpoint, what happened when they were filming was like the whole Kenya situation.

Speaker 2 she leaves they bring phaedra in but phaja was filming married to medicine so it's like there's a transition period that's gonna happen okay yeah and then i don't know if we want to talk about it but carolyn commented on her uh cutdown that we posted oh yeah um

Speaker 1 saying that she now doesn't like tom sandoval anymore huh okay wait so on the cutdown that we made of Carolyn talking about Tom Sandoval and how he she feels like she's the female version of him she commented yesterday saying, I take everything I said about Tom back.

Speaker 1 He sucks and he's not forgiven, despite what the online version U.S. weekly cover says with a dancing emoji.
But what did he do?

Speaker 1 That's all she said. Does she want to come on here and we might need to reach out and see what could have possibly happened over the weekend that she felt so inclined to comment that? Oh my God.

Speaker 1 I know. Tea.
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Speaker 1 Tasha, welcome to the show. Hey, thank you.
Thanks for having me. I'm pretty good.
How are you doing? I'm we pretty good. I'm no, I'm so good.

Speaker 1 So good. So

Speaker 1 St. Patrick's Day, so I'm feeling like it's good.
It is St. Patrick's Day.
She's wearing green. I'm wearing green.
You're not wearing green. Well, this is super awkward.

Speaker 1 Nick, because I asked Nick, should I wear green? And he said, well, this comes out tomorrow, so it won't be St. Patrick's Day.
Well, it doesn't matter. So he was praying on my downfall.
Yeah. I did.

Speaker 1 I got this shirt yesterday. I wasn't planning on wearing it.
Then I put on a darker shirt. It was like a forest.
It was like mossy green. Okay.
So it wasn't like. But that's not as fun.

Speaker 1 No. And then we got some butter on it this morning.
Oh,

Speaker 1 you're a butter guy.

Speaker 1 I always get toothpaste on my shirts i was having eggs and then i was giving my daughter some of my eggs then there was a piece of butter on the plate that kind of looked like eggs picked that up gave it to my daughter i was like oop can't do that my bad and then

Speaker 1 she's

Speaker 1 spit it out and then spit it on my shirt no got some butter on the shirt and then i'm like well it is st. Patrick's Day.
Okay. So you changed.
Do I change?

Speaker 1 So God's on the side. That's great.
Love that. Love that.
Where are you originally from? I'm from San Los Obispo, California. So up the coast about three hours.
It says here where Dylan Efron lived.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 3 It's the place that you guys did not know what he was saying.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because

Speaker 1 did you know Dylan Efron growing up?

Speaker 1 I know

Speaker 1 Zach Efron.

Speaker 3 Dylan went to school in Slow.

Speaker 1 I don't know. Yeah, he does.

Speaker 1 Dylan does have a brother named Zach. Hi, Dylan.
Hi, Dylan. No, he went to my,

Speaker 1 what's it called? Rising High School. Rival.
There we go. Rival High School.
He went to AG and I went to Slow.

Speaker 1 So, there you go. Yes, I see.
Like a real high school musical. No, literally, like, we hate AG and they hate slow.
Wow. So

Speaker 1 I do feel like the name of your town is a bunch of just letters jumbled together. Yeah, everyone's like Sempusco Disco.
Yeah, that's how you're

Speaker 1 perfect.

Speaker 1 Are you currently, do you live in Nashville now? I do live in Nashville. Yes.
I just bought a place there in August. My first big girl purchase.
Thank you. Oh my gosh.
It's very exciting.

Speaker 1 Live alone for the first time. That's fun.
How is it? Love. Oh, my God.
I don't see myself ever living with someone except when I find someone, but

Speaker 1 of course. Yes, of course.
I remember the transition from roommate to no roommate, and it was very much like, oh, wow.

Speaker 1 I got scared a little bit because I'm like, it's such like a big, mature move, you know, as like a young woman, like living on your own for the first time, but it was necessary.

Speaker 1 Like, I feel good about it. It's so nice.
It's like, your mess is your mess. Exactly.
Exactly. If you can't get mad at anyone, that butter on the floor is my butter.
Like,

Speaker 1 yeah, on your way home, you're like, I hope Chad's not watching some show. Our best friends over on the couch.

Speaker 1 the best thing is like i like do like my self-tanning you know and you can walk around butt naked just like letting it dry like that's something i found that i really like about living alone

Speaker 1 so it's the little thing

Speaker 1 yeah

Speaker 1 when you had a roommate did you label your food or did you no i'm like a share i don't really care plus like i'm the type of girl that'd be like they won't mind if i have a scoop of this or like I can use their sauce.

Speaker 1 If you're going to have a roommate, you have to, yeah, I think you need some flexibility.

Speaker 1 You're not meant to ever have a roommate if you label your your food no and it like makes me so anxious when people when i open like a friend's fridge and it's all labeled i'm like no no no can i have this no yeah no no

Speaker 1 you weren't sure that these were eggs i don't know you needed to tell yourself do you guys label your food in your household no no i definitely want to be that person yeah i do i want to be that organized but i don't know if i have it in me i know that he absolutely will not keep it up so it's like do i want to every single day also like why now you want to label your food Well,

Speaker 1 I'm just saying like I would love to be that person, but I feel like you won't you won't allow me. Why would you want to label your food?

Speaker 1 Not necessarily label it, but it's like everything's in like a plastic container. Certified.
It's like, and yeah, honestly,

Speaker 1 my bad. Certified fresh.
My bad. Do you eat leftovers? Hell yeah.

Speaker 1 What do you mean? You don't like leftovers?

Speaker 1 No, unless it's pasta. Even if you cooked it? That's such a first world problem.
That's crazy. Oh my God, absolutely.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm an absolute food snob. I think I'll eat leftovers like when there shouldn't be eight.
Same. Like, some of you how I was raised.

Speaker 1 My dad is, I don't know, he's kind of like a hippie and nothing goes bad. He's like, no, it's fine.
Like a sniff check. Even like things that are expired.

Speaker 1 He's like, speaking of roommates, I once had a roommate eat six-week-old spaghetti. Jeez.
That's just wrong. No, no, no.

Speaker 1 Wait, what type of sauce was it, though? A meat sauce.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That's some stanky meat.

Speaker 1 That is.

Speaker 1 He was a heavy drinker and didn't. And he did a snack, you know? So what's new with you?

Speaker 1 what's going on with your life well i'm on tour with kane brown right now which is pretty cool yeah i'm getting like a lot of reps in like arenas which is sick i love it it's so fun it's so fun having like a big cat walk because i'm very much like yeah over the top performer and i love stretting my stuff out there and that's been great and then i'm working on my album getting ready for stage coach which i'm so excited about are you performing yeah main stage on saturday great i'm stoked yeah i'm very excited

Speaker 1 we are planning on are we still planning on going we're planning it is the weekend of our anniversary of our wedding. So we're like, is that our anniversary on our Sunday? It is on the Sunday, yeah.

Speaker 1 Of stagecoach of stagecoach. So we're trying to come on Saturday.
That's perfect. I know.
We usually only do Friday and Saturday because Sunday is like, oh, we got to get back to the room.

Speaker 1 Everyone's so hungover. It's not even like a day.
Yeah. But that is so exciting.
How are you feeling about it? I'm feeling pretty good.

Speaker 1 It's the first time I've had the means and the production and like the budget to like do something like over the top for a performance. I've done like TV performances and stuff.

Speaker 1 That's kind of like in kind of a box like in on their terms, but genuinely, it's like whatever I want to do, I can do.

Speaker 1 And I grew up doing musical theater, so I kind of want, I'm like total theater kid. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So I kind of want to do like a, I don't want to give too much away, but like kind of like a Western like shootout at the beginning to like open the stage up.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And I'm going to have like dancers up there.
I'm going to have maybe some like lasso people up there. I don't know.

Speaker 1 I'm still kind of shooting things into the dark, but I mean, we watched, I mean, it was Coachella, but Lana Del Rey, she's playing stage coach this year and she came in on like the backs of motorcycles and like had a whole iconic iconic because like when you think about it on like a business perspective like the more crazy you get the more press you're gonna get yeah so

Speaker 1 how crazy can i get i was even thinking about like can i come on come in on horseback how crazy are you willing to be i'm down for whatever you know but also like i have to understand it's like 3 30 p.m on a saturday like i'm not headlining it so like let's calm down a little bit right right but it's Saturday.

Speaker 1 Daydream. It is Saturday.

Speaker 1 Everyone, it's, yeah, it's going to be good. Do you ever get nervous performing live? Oh, God, yeah.
I think it's good that I get nervous, though, because it means I care.

Speaker 1 And I think it's going to stress me out more the day that I'm like so zen before going on stage because it means like I've lost like the spark. Sure, sure.

Speaker 1 Do you feel more at home like in studio just like hitting those

Speaker 1 notes? Or do you like hitting those notes, saying those things? In that studio. Or do you like being live? Just sound

Speaker 1 just kind of like dancing around. Just dancing, performing, connecting with the audience.

Speaker 1 I think because I fell in love with music through like performing through musical theater, it's definitely performing, but also I started songwriting when I was eight years old.

Speaker 1 And so like me with a guitar just tapped in is so cool too. It's just different.
I don't know, but I feel more like myself when I'm on stage.

Speaker 1 It's like the most badass version of myself, which is so fun.

Speaker 1 Did you know when Austin came out that it was going to blow up? I had a gut feeling. It's funny.
I had a a gut feeling. My brother and I work on a lot of music together, Bardo.

Speaker 1 And I wrote the song when I had no management, like no nothing. I just fired my entire team.
Wow. I had a mini label deal before management.
And I was just like, y'all don't get what I'm doing.

Speaker 1 Were you living in Tennessee at this time or were you still? I was, I had, I went to college in Tennessee in Nashville. Okay.
Came back to LA. So I was living in LA at the time.
Okay.

Speaker 1 So I was writing this whole album by myself, just like doing it all myself, DIY.

Speaker 1 And I wrote Austin with a couple of friends. And I remember sending my brother the demo right as I was leaving.
And he like always shoots me so straight. He does like not blow any smoke at my ass.

Speaker 1 Like he's so straightforward with me. He calls me immediately and he's like, what is this song? When did you write it? And I was like, I literally wrote it today.
Like, I don't know.

Speaker 1 I'm just fucking heartbroken. Like, I'm so sad right now.
And he's like, no, this is like the best song you've ever written. And I was like, really?

Speaker 1 And so I listened to it more and more. And I was like, this is really catchy now that I think about it.
And I was just like, so in my own head and so in my feels.

Speaker 1 And it's like, it's such like a personal song. And so I wasn't really thinking of it that that way.

Speaker 1 But the people's reactions, like my friends and like managers that I knew showing them the song for the first time, was always like, girl, what is this?

Speaker 1 And so then I kind of started believing it a little bit more. And then when it blew up, I was like, oh my God, they were right.
It was like so surreal.

Speaker 1 So this is based off of like an actual event that happened in your life. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Except, I will say. At the time, I'd never been to Austin, Texas.
Okay. It's about Nashville.
The entire story is so true, except it's in Nashville. And Nashville has no rhymes, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 So, as a songwriter, I was like, What can we do here? So, we did have a little bit in Austin, but I just lost it. That's true.
There you go,

Speaker 1 your girl was losing it.

Speaker 1 It made sense, yeah. Did you, when this song came out, it blew up, it's everywhere.
Did the person that you wrote it about reach out to you? Oh, he is fully aware. I actually sent him the demo.

Speaker 1 Oh, we had, yeah, um,

Speaker 1 so I love y'all right together. No, god, no, okay.
Well, we got well,

Speaker 1 yeah, we have. Um, no, he was like my first like real big girl heartbreak.
Oh my god,

Speaker 1 yes, and I we never even dated though. That's like the worst part of it all.
Situationship, yeah, it was like a two-year-long, stretched out, and I was ready.

Speaker 1 I wanted to give him my babies, like, I was ready for this meeting. He was a hopeful person, isn't it?

Speaker 1 So ready, but he was so like, he had so much trauma to heal from from his childhood, like a shitty, shitty, shitty childhood. My song, Even Cowboys Cry, like, goes into it.

Speaker 1 His dad was in and out of prison,

Speaker 1 super poor, like grew up in like literally a one-room house in Memphis. And, but he is such a sweetheart.
Like, he's such a good guy. And I knew that underneath.

Speaker 1 So he just wasn't ready for me when I was ready for him.

Speaker 1 And then circling back, he had a girlfriend for like a year while I was doing my thing. And then like, we kind of reconnected a few months ago.

Speaker 1 And now he was like, yo, I'm like, low-key ready for this now. And I'm like, sorry, man.
Your time's passed. Like,

Speaker 1 yeah, it felt good, but we definitely reconnected a little bit. So, he's a fan of the song.
Yeah, he's a fan of my music a lot. He's so supportive.
The entire album's about him, and he's very aware.

Speaker 1 I said him the entire album. I don't care about your feelings anymore, but

Speaker 1 I will use that jig.

Speaker 1 You said it, not me. I was like, I was like, Your face said it, okay?

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's exactly what happened. I mean, yeah.
Good for you. I'm just a girl.
What am I supposed to do?

Speaker 1 Also, I love doing things for the plot. Like, I only write about my own life.
And so sometimes when I'm like, okay, I got to write an album. Like I got to, I got to do some things.

Speaker 1 I purposely stir the pot a bit. So you'll make toxic decisions because it might inspire you to write great songs.
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Okay.
What was the day like when you realized, holy fuck, Austin has taken over and it's everywhere? So there was a couple days spread out.

Speaker 1 So the first day that I posted that line dance video with me and my friend Zoe, overnight, it had like 2 million views. And that had never happened to me before.
And I was like, whoa, that was insane.

Speaker 1 You know, everyone, my whole team was like buzzing. It was like a team of six people.
You made up the line dance on your own? Okay. Yeah.
I've been line dancing since I was a kid.

Speaker 1 We'd go to the mid-state fair. And that's how you'd flirt with boys is you'd have to go line dancing.
So you bet you ask. I learned all the line dances I was out there.

Speaker 1 And so, yeah, that first day was kind of crazy. And then two weeks later, it started getting added to like all these playlists on Spotify and like just like kind of buzz.

Speaker 1 Like, I think it got its like first organic radio ad. And we're just like, wait, what is going on?

Speaker 1 And then, God, what was the day? I think like late February, it was like my birthday week when labels started calling. And we got flown out first class to New York.

Speaker 1 And by, I had like $900 in my bank account at this point. Like, I was calling my mom, being like, girl, I don't know how I'm going to do my rent next month.

Speaker 1 And then I call her back when I was flying out to New York and I was like, Jessica, get me good. I'm going to be good.
Actually,

Speaker 1 pulled the Venmo.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, that was the week where I was like, it's all going to, it's all going to work out. Cause like, I had literally every single label in the entire world knocking at my door.

Speaker 1 And then i and i kind of took this position of like realizing the power i had and realizing like i had all the negotiation power whatever i wanted and so i was like super coy in these conversations and like barely understated and like well what can you do instead of being like thank you so much for seeing

Speaker 1 i was like well you came to me i was like with the ceos of republic records being they show me this whole spiel about the weekend and ariana grande and taylor swift is that we interviewed no that was deaf jam

Speaker 1 we interviewed alessia cara and she at Austin. Didn't Def Jam this morning.
Yeah. But yeah, it was just so cool to be like, what's that? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Did you, so you got like your pick of the litter. You chose who you wanted to choose? Horner Records.
I love them. It just felt like family.

Speaker 1 I just like really saw that they valued my art and like me making art. And they were just like, we so see your vision and just run with it.
Wow. Yeah.
Damn. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So it went Austin to Boots or wait, it's the same song. Austin to to Boots.
Wait, what? Sing it. Did your boots stop working? Did your truck break down?

Speaker 1 But it's.

Speaker 1 Are you sure? I even knew that. Wait, no, wait, because later on it got added, like, it was Austin, and then they wanted to add Boots Stop Working to the title.

Speaker 1 Maybe that's what you're thinking about. Okay.
That's probably what you're thinking of. No, they're different.

Speaker 1 I both, I see them both. Actually, that is exactly what you're thinking of.
Why am I?

Speaker 1 They did that because everyone was like, what's the boots song? And then everyone was typing. You could see the research of like people typing in boots.
And that's what we added.

Speaker 1 Did your boots stop working to the top

Speaker 1 okay that was a warner move that was a smart warner

Speaker 1 and thank god they did because

Speaker 1 okay

Speaker 1 so anyways so we'll be moving on currently from that how did the kane brown of it all start um kane and i met back at the people's choice country awards i think we were sitting next to each other and um he's just like the homie he's kind of goaded in the country scene yeah and um i like that he's like pop leaning as well because that's kind of where my music sits and And I got pitched the tour and he was like, hell yeah.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, hell yeah. It's not opening.
I mean, for someone who is like, you're into like going all out and being so creative, his like sets, the way he performs is so creative.

Speaker 1 I saw him at Stagecoach, wait, last year or two years ago. I can't remember what it was, but I was just like blown away.
It was so good. It's wild.
We went to his show.

Speaker 1 Was that here? Yeah, that was here.

Speaker 1 And interviewed him beforehand. But like, he's up on lifts.
He's like all over the place. It's a really good.

Speaker 1 His stage design is so cool because it's like a loop. It's a cat loop.
Hello. A cat walk, but it's a loop.
And I've never seen a stage like this. And the pit, like the GI pit is inside the lift.
Yes.

Speaker 1 And like I'm saying, I love a cat walk so much. Oh my God.
And so I'm just like doing circles the entire time I'm performing.

Speaker 1 And it's great because the people in the back kind of get a front row seat and then it's just like adds more dynamic to it.

Speaker 1 After you're done with your performance as stage coach, are you going to enjoy the festival at all?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm going to shotgun a beer and then I'm going to, yeah, for sure. Yeah, I don't know.
Like, yeah, I think, well, there's a lot. I mean, who knows? I might be doing some pop-ups.

Speaker 1 There's gonna be a lot of parties to go to. Yeah, I'm gonna be a little bit more.
You will immerse yourself with the festival. Absolutely.
I also like love a party.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 can you tell? I love a party. Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade.
Yes. How? I mean, first of all, just a huge moment, like in general to be able to perform the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade.

Speaker 1 And the lipstick on top of that. Well, yeah.
So how did that happen? What happened with that? Yeah. let's write that down real quick.
So I had a glam call at 4 a.m. that morning.
It was early.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was very early. Got up, very Dolulu, had the full face on.
The parade started at 7.30 or 8. We were on the float.
It was pouring rain. Yeah.
Pouring rain.

Speaker 1 I was out there for two hours, just in the pouring rain. I think God had an umbrella, but like I was waving, freezing cold, two hours.

Speaker 1 And then the way it works is like right as you pull up, your float pulls up in front of the Macy's like front, your song starts and they hand you a mic and you go.

Speaker 1 Like there's no like, okay, five minutes. It's like going.

Speaker 1 The float barely stops. Like my manager literally fell off the float because it didn't stop.
It was like a whole, she almost got ran over. It was crazy.
But we're there. Song starts, killing it.

Speaker 1 My extensions were looking beat. And I was like, God damn it, because I really care

Speaker 1 in the rain, the humidity was like, God bless. It's all good.
Praying for me. And she had just, my makeup odds had just reapplied my red lipstick to look good for camera.

Speaker 1 And everyone was like, don't touch the mic to your lips. Don't do it.

Speaker 1 But like when I sing, I'm like all up on that thing. And I'm not thinking about that.
I'm trying to like sound good. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 So like the last thing I'm thinking about is like the distance of my mic to my lips. And

Speaker 1 yeah, I was. Is there a picture out there? Oh, there's a picture.
Can we?

Speaker 1 Can I see it? Oh, absolutely.

Speaker 1 It got me like a million impressions. So period.
But yeah, it was pouring rain and the mic was all up.

Speaker 1 And I just like remember pulling the mic away from the last Austin and giving the audience a big old smile. Oh my god.

Speaker 1 Giving the audience a big ol' smile and I just looked like I was like facing the back with Elmo like straight up.

Speaker 1 Wait.

Speaker 1 It's kind of giving Taylor Swift. Wait, wait, go down.
It's so

Speaker 1 it is giving Taylor but

Speaker 1 so like trailer swift, you know?

Speaker 1 It's giving trailer

Speaker 1 all over.

Speaker 1 And I remember seeing the monitors after pulling the mic away and I was like, oh.

Speaker 1 oh.

Speaker 1 And I was like, it's probably not that bad. It's probably just like me binging my head.
And then my manager called me. He's like, girl, you should probably say something about this.
She was fucked.

Speaker 1 Have you worn red lipstick since?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I know. I don't know if I could.

Speaker 1 I got the Superstain, the Maybelline Superstay for my birthday as like a joke from like a lot of people,

Speaker 1 which was funny, to be fair. But no, fuck that.
But did you see anyone dressed up as you? For Halloween? Yeah. That's actually a good Halloween costume.
Wait. That would be a good idea.

Speaker 1 Would you be flattered or offended? So flattered. I don't give a fuck.
It's lipstick. I don't give a shit.
You know,

Speaker 1 people are so mad about it. Like, you're a whore.
And I'm like, okay. What? I get called the craziest shit because country is such like a kind of more conservative leaning fan base.

Speaker 1 And that's, that's cool, whatever. But they were mad about like the shorts I was wearing.
I can't believe people called you that. Oh, yeah.
They're like, it's a family show.

Speaker 1 Why is she wearing that and getting lipstick all over her face? I'm like, you think I tried to do this?

Speaker 1 It's crazy. That's crazy.
That's his mom's projecting back in their like kind of little

Speaker 1 when they were.

Speaker 1 But like the thing about the lipstick fiasco is I'm really weirdly grateful that it happened because I feel like the message of my music and like how I write songs is showing like, especially to like my super young fans, like, hey, it is okay to not have it all together.

Speaker 1 It's okay to be messy. and not know what the fuck you're doing and make bad decisions with men.
Like, it just is the way it goes.

Speaker 1 And it's okay if you get lipstick all over your face on national television. Like, it's okay.
I'm just a girl. Literally.
You know. Literally.
Literally.

Speaker 1 So I'm kind of glad it happened because it just showed like how I'm very human and I'm like, whatever. Yeah.
Did you feel any like

Speaker 1 correct

Speaker 1 trailers comment that? I'm like, period. I kind of like that.

Speaker 1 Honestly, kind of cool. Because I am.
Like, I'm way more white trash than her. She's so classy.
And that's okay. That is okay.

Speaker 1 We all have a little bit. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 How is your love life these days?

Speaker 1 Well, I have like options, but I'm just so

Speaker 1 player.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's player.

Speaker 1 Fucking player. You slut.
No,

Speaker 1 I how's your roster? The roster's deep for sure. Okay.
But I don't care. Like, I don't want a man.
And so I, yeah, I like will text them and entertain. And like,

Speaker 1 are you in your fuckboy era? Absolutely. Okay.
If I was a man, they would hate me so much because my girl can do whatever the hell I want.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, I just don't want a boyfriend at all. Like, even if I met the most perfect man right now, I'd be like, period, give me, like, a few years.
Well, you're a rock star.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You know, also just be on tour.
You're so busy. And the last thing I want to do.
Also, it's anything I do right now is going to be long distance because I'm always on the road.

Speaker 1 I'm never in one place. And at the end of the day, like, all I want to do is like maybe call my mom.

Speaker 1 And then I want to read a book in bed. I want to read my dragon smut and then go to bed, you know? Yeah.
Like, I don't want to busy. I don't want to have a man around.
What's dragon smut?

Speaker 1 I could do that. Fourth Fourth Wing.
Have you read it? I can't do like fantasy sci-fi. You can do this book.
I can't do fairies fucking. Like, I need real people.
You can do these fairies fucking.

Speaker 1 It's this is A Court of Thorn and Roses. It's better, in my opinion.
Okay. I think the story's more, it's more like war.
It's less like

Speaker 1 shishi fufu, you know? It's more war. It's more war.
It's more like real. Who was breaking up last night? Oh, that's in a book that's awful that I'm really just trying to get through.
What book is it?

Speaker 1 Truly, The Boyfriend by Frida McCamp. Whatever.
Terrible. Terrible book.
But I like, I know. It's like a psychological thriller.
I think everyone knows it's

Speaker 1 Frida even knows that it's not her best. Okay.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 So I'm really just trying to get through because I did pay $12.99 for it on my camera.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So I'm really just trying to get through it currently in this book.

Speaker 1 No, you should read forth with it. I was very much into like erotic thrillers for a moment.
And then I did very much. My clit did need a break.
Oh, like what? Can you give me some like...

Speaker 1 I've got a boyfriend, so like, give me some. Yeah, I'll send you the links.
I'll send you the links. links they um they got me through some tough times okay

Speaker 1 Nick was snoring beside

Speaker 1 I was reading this crazy sex scene in fourth wing as I was on vacation with my grandma and it was just me and her in Belize and we're like sitting on these beach chairs she's like yapping about New York Times and I'm like reading he slides it in my slick entrance and I'm like fuck

Speaker 1 excuse me grandma I need to use the restroom and I'm wondering for a minute

Speaker 1 oh my god I can't get out of my head she says slick entrance in the book I love that isn't that disgusting I love That's so descriptive, and I love it. It kind of turns me on like a weird way.

Speaker 1 Why do I hear it? Descriptive, it is very descriptive. My slick entrance.
My slick entrance. Because that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 Like, any slit-in like Tom Cruise and Risky Business, you know, like with no, with just socks on, like that? Raw. Just, oh, I guess a sock is not raw.
That would, yeah.

Speaker 1 That would, no one's. Yeah.
Have y'all seen that? Risky Business? Yeah. Sorry, before your girl's time.
Yeah, for sure. She's an artist, so she might have been.
Sorry, yeah.

Speaker 1 She's not a fan of the artist. She's in the arts.
She watches films. she watches films she watches films i didn't watch anything past 2000 actually

Speaker 1 neither does he uh speaking of watching uh what are you watching these days i actually just watched uh white lotus last night you're caught up i'm caught up and have you watched the first two seasons yes and i cannot believe the brothers made out last night no yeah that was that was like that made me so uncomfortable yeah and i'm me more uncomfortable than sam rockwell's long monologue about how he's fucking himself that was insane too

Speaker 1 and how he was like i want to be a little asian girl and I pay her to sit there and watch me get fucked because I'm her. And I'm like, holy hell.
And then what's his name who, who plays?

Speaker 1 Sam Ralph Paul. No, the other guy.

Speaker 1 Rick. Anyways, Rick's just sitting there and he's like, uh-huh.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Can you imagine like being the writer of that monologue? No. Like, that was, that's where my brain went.
You want to go create, like, go further than what you think we want.

Speaker 1 We want you to, like, take it to another level. Exactly.
And, like, I was watching with my roommate who's an actress. And so we talk about like acting and like writing and all the time.

Speaker 1 But we were just like giggling to ourselves. Like imagine having to like be in that like reading the script for the first time and being like, okay, here I go.
I want to get fucked by a dad.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And then the suicide scene almost near suicide scene freaked me out.
With who?

Speaker 1 Oh, dad.

Speaker 1 He was like writing that in. And then she came out.
I thought he pulled the trigger when she opened the door. That was so gnarly.
Yeah, that was gracious. I don't think he's going to do that.

Speaker 1 Do you know who Sam Rockwell's wife is in real life? No. It is the woman who's the actress in White Lotus who's playing

Speaker 1 the short blonde who is from Austin, Texas. No way.
Leslie Bibb. Yeah, Leslie Bibb.
Wait, that's so funny.

Speaker 1 They met filming, I believe, Iron Man 2. Wow.
Her character's so annoying.

Speaker 1 She's like my least favorite character.

Speaker 1 But also, I think that's what she's supposed to be.

Speaker 1 Did you see the twist coming of the friend fucking the guy who

Speaker 1 no, I didn't actually, but I'm kind of glad it happened. It's like, you know, the three girl, they hate each other so much.

Speaker 1 Yes, and so, like, the fact that the entire time she's been like pushing Lori to have sex with this guy and then she does it is like so fucked. Dumb.
So fucked.

Speaker 1 It's something I would have done in my own earlier days. Really? Oh, my God.
I feel like we've all probably almost done that before. I feel like we probably actually have.

Speaker 1 But that's just like being a girl. Well, yeah, but when you're single, or guy, when you're single and you're all kind of, well, her character's not single, though.
That makes it a little shady. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But if you are all single, then yeah, it's kind of all fair love and wire. You're all kind of like part of it is like.
And she's clearly the hottest one. And she's also like a movie star.

Speaker 1 So like, put it in those terms, being that guy who works at the White Lotus, I'd be like, her.

Speaker 1 Nick was asking me if, like, it's actually, if with the scene of them, like, dancing and then the three women who were like staring at them and she was like dancing harder, he's like, does that really happen?

Speaker 1 Like, women who like want your man and you

Speaker 1 kind of like show them that you can't have him. 100%.
Like, you're making eye contact with random women at a bar who you think want your guy or the guy that you're getting with.

Speaker 1 You, you'll, you'll, uh, you'll lock eyes and give them the old, like, you wish you had this, yeah, 100%.

Speaker 1 Sarah, have you ever done that?

Speaker 1 I'm sure.

Speaker 1 It's just like a part of being a girl. I don't know.
There's like this weird competitiveness that sucks, but it's just like the way it goes sometimes.

Speaker 1 Also, just like, watch me go, you know, it's kind of fun.

Speaker 1 Watch me cook right now. Watch me cook.

Speaker 1 Watch me cook. Who do you think did it? Who do you think dies? And who who do you think the killer is? Oh, because there's always going to be someone that dies.

Speaker 1 Well, I think it's going to be the gun that

Speaker 1 the dad takes.

Speaker 1 But I don't think it's going to be him. I think it's going to be like Rick or some shit, you know, because Rick's going to wild.
Many people steal it. Maybe the monkey steal it.

Speaker 1 I feel like it's giving Patrick.

Speaker 1 You think? Oh, yeah. Patrick might do it.
He's going to find out his dad has no money. Saxon.
Yeah. Yeah.
Oh, oh, yeah. And he's going to be like, oh, my God.

Speaker 1 And I just kissed my brother and I kind of liked it. And he's on drugs and I do mine.
He's not going to kill himself, honestly. No.

Speaker 1 No, I don't think he'd, I think he'd just be like, I'm going, like, I think he goes crazy. Who's going to die? What if he kills Chelsea? There was a lot of gunshots in the first episode preview.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 3 Greg is also looking for the Masseus's contact information.

Speaker 1 Oh, Greg is also sketchy. Or what if Greg dies? Maybe Saxon figures it out, tries to be a hero for the Masseuse.
Well, maybe.

Speaker 1 There might be more than one dead person, but like. True.
Greg is weird. He's misunderstood.
You think

Speaker 1 you're going to come to a murderous defense? Yeah. Uh-huh.
He killed. Are you serious? Jennifer Coolidge.
What do you mean? Maybe he just, she just got on his nerves. I don't know.

Speaker 1 She would be really annoying as that character, as a wife.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 she would be. The guys are coming.
I'm so bad at that. I'm not going to try.
I'm not going to try.

Speaker 1 I can't do it. I can't do it.
Do you watch reality TV at all? Like, low-key, not really. I don't even have time to watch anything.

Speaker 1 Let's see what I did watch. The last time I watched reality TV, it was Love Island the last season.
The last season. Because

Speaker 1 I know Rob from before he was Rob. Really?

Speaker 1 How'd you meet Rob before he was Rob? His sister, Lily, is my best friend. Really? So we met the summer before.
You were still best friends. Yes.
She's my best friend in the entire world.

Speaker 1 And what was that experience like watching her little brother become

Speaker 1 America Heartthrop? Little brother. Oh, yeah.
America's Heartthrop. It was really, I didn't watch it at first because I didn't want to get cringed out.

Speaker 1 And I love Rob He and I are friends So I didn't watch it and I watched three or four episodes and I stopped because I just like I know him and I know like

Speaker 1 how I could just feel how overwhelmed he was getting and he's like a very sensitive guy and I just felt bad like they put him in such like a hard situation and like make him break these girls hearts and like he didn't want to do any of that.

Speaker 1 I don't know. So I had so much empathy for him.
I just like couldn't even watch it. How was your best friend through it all? Was she like because I feel like I was watching it.
She had to. She had to.

Speaker 1 um no i was definitely checking out on her i was like what's up how you doing well she was excited because she thought he was gonna make it to the hometown tours or the hometown part whatever she was like i'm ready for my moment like here we go do they do that sometimes they call they have like the families call in and meet oh they call yeah yeah yeah right but she didn't get her moment unfortunately

Speaker 1 sorry lily sorry lily yeah maybe next time Maybe next time your brother's next time.

Speaker 1 Because at that point, his hand kind of having casual sex with people on TV. Yeah.
You know, he was like, I'm not going to find love. Like, I can't imagine my brother being on there.

Speaker 1 I would like to watch it. You know, and watching it.
I just like, that's such a crazy experience. You're just like, you know what I mean? Like, watching people like my brother.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, the fact that he's married is already shocking enough. So I'm like, no, I don't.
What? Your brother. My brother.
Okay.

Speaker 1 We're like, when did that happen? What did I miss? No, no, no. I can't imagine watching my brother on a dating show thinking that people would actually like him.
And then I am shocked.

Speaker 1 I'm also shocked that he's married. So, and he's been married for quite some time dang

Speaker 1 none of my siblings are married yet

Speaker 1 what's crazy is that the person who chose him was his first ever girlfriend oh really did he like circle back or was it like a consistent thing no it was like he like never really had a girlfriend like growing up he was just like never really that type of guy and then went into the military and like met a girl and then they started dating and then he got out of the military and then they got married wow i know what's up with you guys what have you guys been watching what should i watch

Speaker 1 everything how should we watch everything i know because you guys like report on everything yeah i feel bad that i don't know more reality you need need to watch Temptation Island. Really?

Speaker 1 Temptation Island is bonker. I like tea.
I like really juicy tea. It's really crazy.

Speaker 1 There's three Sims.

Speaker 1 Love. And the girl, well, his girlfriend has to watch this recent happen on a on a screen.
Wait, there's a girlfriend? They come as couples and then

Speaker 1 no, it's crazy. And they have to see, like, are you going to be tempted by all these other girls that you're going to be living with who are like the temptresses?

Speaker 1 And it's like their job to get you to like break and fall in love with them and touch and break your physical boundaries, whatever the hell you may have.

Speaker 1 And then every like couple days, they go and they like sit at this bonfire and watch a screen of like what their boyfriend is doing with these. Oh my God.
It's crazy. Literally nothing.

Speaker 1 And then one gentleman had a threesome with two randos and was like, I don't regret this shit. He's just like, I need to feel something.
Kind of it's

Speaker 1 almost verbatim. He said, you know, he basically wanted to check that box off off his list.
It was Brian. Brian.

Speaker 1 Yes. Brian.
The man on the left.

Speaker 1 And it was two women because they go on dates. They get to pick someone to go on a date with.

Speaker 1 And he did not choose either of those women to go on the date because he was like, then you form like an emotional connection. And I was just trying to have a threesome.
Whoa.

Speaker 1 So like everyone that's at the bottom are all the temptresses. So the women get the men, the men get the women, and they're all trying to see who's going to break.
Whoa, it's really wild.

Speaker 1 So, if you have any free time, I would definitely suggest. Love.
Yeah. I really like Too Hot to Handle, too.
This is kind of a little like Too Hot to Handle-esque. Yeah.
They're all very attractive.

Speaker 1 But I've only seen Harry Jowsey's season, which was forever ago, but I was watching that shit. I never watched a Too Hot to Handle, but it was good.
You should watch Temptation Island.

Speaker 1 Is it Netflix? I mean, here is Island. It is on Netflix now.
Awesome. Yeah.
That one part was when Ashley went into the hut with was it dancing? Oh, yeah. They put a

Speaker 1 I would I would actually I wouldn't be able to

Speaker 1 further on anymore, but they put like a um like a tent a nice tent with a bed in it on each of the villas and it was like if you go into this it was like no cameras are allowed in there.

Speaker 1 So if you go in like you can do whatever you want to do not on camera, but it lights up at the other house. So like the women will know that someone, one of their men, took a girl in with no cameras.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. And Ashley took Danny into it.
She was like, I really just want to like set off the show, Danny. Danny.
Oh, he's cute. He's very cute.
My first scan is I like Danny the best.

Speaker 1 Well, like my type. I love a mustache.
He's 25. That's her guy.
I'm 25. So well.

Speaker 1 It's not bad. It's not bad.
It's not bad. Kind of cradle-robbing.

Speaker 1 I just said he's 22. Anyways, so she goes in and on their way and she's like, I really wish you would have carried me.
And his response is, maybe next time.

Speaker 1 Huh? Yeah, not your husband. Huh? Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 I mean, Taylor and Tyler. That's fun.
Taylor and Tyler. Yeah, they're talking to me.
They're already broken up.

Speaker 1 We're not even done with the... I just feel like anyone that goes on the show with their boyfriend is going to break up.
It's just so sad.

Speaker 1 Like, Alexa and Leno, they've been together for like almost four years. It's like, what are you doing? on this show.

Speaker 1 Or like maybe they're just like feeling like it's the end, but they just like want to last hurrah. Go out with a bang.
You know, like that's some shit I would do.

Speaker 1 I was going to say, Ashley saw her boyfriend full on cheating on her, and she was like, this is just all the proof I needed. Like, not even like a freak out, not a teardoup.

Speaker 1 She was just like, nope, I knew it. Piece of shit.

Speaker 1 No, and then, and then, but, but Taylor goes, I want this to not feel like cheating. Like, after he took a shower and had sex with some chick.
Oh, Grant? Grant, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. When you hooked up with, uh, what her name was Natalie? Natalie, yeah.

Speaker 1 When he's sitting playing the guitar. Oh, that motherfucker.
You're singing about cheating. I know, I made a mistake.
I know what I'm doing. No, first of all,

Speaker 1 literally out of the Barbie movie.

Speaker 1 Thank you for reminding me of that, though. This motherfucker brought a guitar

Speaker 1 to Temptation Island. That's like bringing a puppy.
That's like being like, you know what I'm saying? Like, even if you're

Speaker 1 an actual musician, if you went on Temptation Island, Dasha, and you brought a guitar, I've been like, she wants to fuck. Like, she is there.

Speaker 1 I would do because I'd sauce that shit up. But if someone who was bad did it, I'd be like, get that.

Speaker 1 Better away from it. Better good.
But if you bring a guitar as like a prop to like some sort of dating situation, you're, you're,

Speaker 1 you're like, you're not. I mean, yeah.
He was waiting to Ken bust it off. For sure.
He's just like, this was like, he brought the guitar. He knows what he's doing.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like he brought, he brought him basically a sex toy. Yeah.
Yeah. He brought a vibrator.
He can play it.

Speaker 1 Seriously, that's like bringing a vibrator to a date. 100%.
I just thought it was wild that he's singing like a, I made a mistake with you to the song to the girl walking out.

Speaker 1 He's going as she's like sitting next to him. It's like,

Speaker 1 is it a song that he wrote? Yes. Apparently that morning.
It would be so bad.

Speaker 1 No, I cannot do that. It would be awful.
You have no idea how many men that I'm like lightly talking to will be like, well, let me just like show you this song real quick that are not artists.

Speaker 1 It's like the most painful thing. Have you ever had someone who is an artist try to sing to you and be like, and not like, let me demo this shit for you, but like, you're hanging out.
It's a date.

Speaker 1 We're not working. We're like offline.
I can't tell you how many many times this has happened. Min, that scene at a Barbie

Speaker 1 is so unbelievably accurate. Like they play guitar at you.

Speaker 1 Looking you straight in the eye. And you just have to act like, oh, wow.
Never heard this before. What the fuck is going on? No one ever.
Do you actually listen? You don't just say stop.

Speaker 1 No, I'll get up and like get myself a glass of water and like try to give them cues of like, I'm so, like, I'm driving off the desert right now. You have to leave.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 This is actually hurting your chances of getting with me right now. Is that my car right here started in the driveway? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Let me go check on that. Sorry, the remote start accidentally pressed in my pocket.
My apartment's flooded. Gotta go.
God, I gotta wash my cat. Sorry.
So sorry.

Speaker 1 Oh my god, brutal. Yeah, it's not crazy.
It's crazy. What is your birth name? Anna Dasha Navotny.

Speaker 1 Anna is my first name. Okay.
But I've always gone by Dasha. You have? Yeah.
Well, kindergarten through sixth grade, I was Anna because I thought Dasha was too weird. I wouldn't have friends.

Speaker 1 I don't know why I went there, but I released my first song in seventh grade when I switched schools. So I went by Dasha from then on.
And now she's like, perfect. Wow.

Speaker 1 Where did your parents get Dasha? I wasn't named till three weeks after I was born. What? My parents are hippies.
California hippies. I know litter, I'm one of those.

Speaker 1 And they wanted to feel, like, I cannot make this up. They wanted to feel my vibe, like, straight up.
And they were calling me baby for a while. Say what you want.
I mean, now you're a

Speaker 1 fan of my name. They kind of killed it.
Got it right. And like, I love my nickname Dash.
Like, my friends call me Dash, which is cute. That's fine.

Speaker 1 But my, my aunt called my parents three weeks in and was like, what about Dash? And they're like, love?

Speaker 1 She's a girl. What about Dasha? And it just, like, stuck.
Cause like traditionally, like, it's like Dasha or Dasha, which is like a Russian name. It's like, it's like Emily over there.

Speaker 1 Like, everyone is named Dasha. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But Dasha is my American name.

Speaker 1 Dasha. So, yeah.
Okay. All right.
Dasha. Yeah.
Well, this has been so much fun. Thanks for having me.
Can you please plug away?

Speaker 1 Obviously, so many people know where to get your music and all that fun stuff, but anything you want, where can people find you on tour? Tour.

Speaker 1 Well, guys, I'm on tour right now with Kane Brown going out with Thomas Rhett next.

Speaker 1 It's kind of a big deal. Great.
I love Thomas Rett next.

Speaker 1 You're really there. I'm doing it.
It's so weird because last year I was not doing it.

Speaker 1 That's crazy. What can happen in a year? So exciting.
But okay, find me on tour. You can just search my name on Google.
You'll find the tickets, I'm sure. And find me at Stagecoach.

Speaker 1 And I'm working on a new album. So keep your eyes peeled.
Woo! Yeah. Let's go.
So much fun. Hell yeah.
Thanks, guys. Bye.

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Speaker 1 That's r-u-b-r-i-k.com. Well, she's fun.

Speaker 3 I love that she's from Slow because a lot of people commented on the Dylan Efron one being like, How do they not know where Slow is? Because you're like, Santa Luis Obispo? What are you saying?

Speaker 1 Oh, is that what

Speaker 1 you're saying?

Speaker 1 Because everyone's like,

Speaker 1 and and then people are like you know what let's just say slow yeah yeah

Speaker 1 there's a lot of towns that people can't pronounce okay there was a town next to me where i grew up called opa leika and no one could fucking say opaka so like and am i offended no no i just think it's hilarious because i have family from slow too and they're like girl nobody cares

Speaker 1 Really? Like, if you're offended that I cannot pronounce the name of your town and it has 92 letters in it, like, I am sorry. At least, um, at least you know the lyrics to her song.

Speaker 1 Leia thought that the lyrics to her song were did your boot stop working did your lungs give out

Speaker 1 and now that's the only way I can think of sounds like it though what's the actual lyric did your truck give out did your boot stop working did you come

Speaker 1 did your truck break down I'm sorry sorry she said did your lungs

Speaker 1 give out were you listening whenever it was playing or were you just like guessing well those I thought those were the lyrics sometimes Sierra corrected me sometimes you hear stuff wrong it's okay but it those are the lyrics in my heart now.

Speaker 2 I heard what I wanted to hear.

Speaker 1 Well, did you see a little southern charm, Madison LaCroix, is like people are all up in arms because apparently her house was listed for sale and everyone's freaking the fuck out, which I think is the weirdest.

Speaker 1 First of all, if someone, if she listed her house for sale, people should stop putting that online. Right? It is interesting.

Speaker 1 Like, why would you like platform someone's personal address? I have no idea and I've never understood it.

Speaker 3 It's the Bravosphere.

Speaker 1 They look into everything.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Remember, they knew that Britney moved out of her house based off of a selfie of the mirror in the background, knowing that it wasn't the same house that she like, it's that's scary.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's really scary. But she like boundaries, people.

Speaker 1 Yeah, she, someone, wait, she offered a cryptic comment or someone, someone commented on a post saying, girl, where are you moving to, LOL?

Speaker 3 And she said, Callie.

Speaker 1 We're assuming she's trolling. I'm assuming she's trolling.
There's no way she's pregnant, moving, like taking her son, who's, he's like, what, 10, 11, like out of school and moving to California.

Speaker 1 I mean, maybe, I don't know, but like

Speaker 1 definitely seems like she's like,

Speaker 1 my response to that would be

Speaker 1 like,

Speaker 1 don't come. No, no, no.
My response would be like the most random.

Speaker 1 I would say somewhere in Europe, like just a random place of like, mind your own business. Like, I'm not, I don't know.
Bulgaria. Her husband.
I'm moving to Bulgaria.

Speaker 1 Her husband does work, fly out here throughout the week because he's a firefighter. So he is.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's the whole thing where when Paige and Craig and Madison would always talk, he was saying that they were bi-coastal relationship because he has to fly out here for work.

Speaker 1 Why does he firefight out here?

Speaker 1 He's like a higher up.

Speaker 1 I don't know that he's actually like suiting up, but I know that he has to like come here for like whatever to manage his department. Oh, interesting.

Speaker 1 Maybe she is moving to go. So she could be.
Okay, well, what the fuck do I know?

Speaker 1 Southern Callie. The new charm.
It is interesting that that would be the way that she like reveals that she's moving. It's just like responding to a comment.
That I agree with you, too.

Speaker 1 So it's a little strange. She could be trolling.
Well, Shep's not moving. He's still.

Speaker 1 You see how he decorates his house?

Speaker 1 Did you see the five million hats under his coffee table? It's

Speaker 1 the same age.

Speaker 1 I will. In defense of Shep, though, you know, you really need a lady in your life.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Those apartments get scarier as they get older alone. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, is that your bed in the corner? That, is that your mattress in the corner of the room? But before I met Natalie, I can't say that I was much better. It actually wasn't that bad.

Speaker 1 I remember like the first time I, yeah. Did he have nightstands? Multiple pillows? He did.
He had nightstands. He had two pillows.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 A duvet

Speaker 1 or a blanket. He did have a duvet.
Anything on his walls? Pictures of himself. Stop it.
It was like mixed tiles. It was probably like a brand deal.
It was like you and friends.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It was you and friends. It was definitely the feeling stick.
It wasn't like, yeah, well, it wasn't a bunch of selfie. It was a seller poster.

Speaker 1 It wasn't a bunch of selfies, but there was definitely like, yeah, a bunch of pictures like you and your

Speaker 1 family. Yeah.
And some like art from

Speaker 1 that bath and beyond. No art.
No art. Yeah.
He had a blue velvet

Speaker 1 couch. Oh, that's fancy.
Sassy. Yeah.
What else did you have? I never redoubled my broken relationship with Vanessa. Wait, what? I got in the divorce.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And then Natalie got rid of it as soon as she got it.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 This is the first thing to go. It's like that one couch in Vanderpump Rules.
Oh, Tom, and the Tom Kristen Jackson Ariana couch.

Speaker 1 I don't think I ever stepped foot in your guest bedroom, but I do remember it being just like full of crap. It was my art room.
His art room, yes. I respect art.
I respect that.

Speaker 1 Every time this man is like, I need an art studio like at the lake, or I need, like, I'm thinking of like putting an art studio. I'm like, you have not.

Speaker 1 He set up an art studio in our current house five years ago when we moved in. And he has not once stepped foot foot into his art studio.

Speaker 1 I'm like, and now he's like, Well, we need to have one at like any possible house that we could ever live in in our future must have an art studio in case I decide to dabble. Thank you, Justin.

Speaker 1 Are you picking up the artist? You can't rush the art.

Speaker 1 You can't rush the art. What do you, what do you, what's inside this art studio? Like, what crafts are you getting into? I mean, oil paints.

Speaker 1 Oh, of course.

Speaker 1 Not watercolor. I just know.
Acrylics. I haven't done a lot of.
Well, I mean, maybe acrylics. Ceramics.
Yeah, maybe acrylics. Watercolors, I might dabble.
You guys have a ghost moment?

Speaker 1 You're also downplaying oil paints.

Speaker 1 You're actually like, you're down. You're not playing like I don't.
Well, first of all, I have painted. I believe you.
That's why I'm asking what's in an arts studio. What kind of stuff do you paint?

Speaker 1 You haven't painted

Speaker 1 since you were living in Bob Ross photos.

Speaker 1 But you haven't done anything since. Yeah, no, I haven't done anything.
Okay, sure.

Speaker 3 He's going to paint with River in the studio.

Speaker 1 But JT was definitely under.

Speaker 1 This episode, honestly, every episode of JT gets worse and worse and worse and worse. This one I can't defend.
Quit. No, you can't defend.
Just quit.

Speaker 1 He did. And thank God he did.

Speaker 1 But then he still comes back for the reunion.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So it's like.
Do you think he said it? See real defensive. A hundred percent.
I was like, even the barber call wasn't that

Speaker 1 honestly. Like, I like

Speaker 1 some black girl, cute. Some cute black girl.
I like, I don't throwing in the word cute doesn't make it any better. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, and he's really like trying to make sure that like that is going to make it better. Yeah.
And it doesn't.

Speaker 3 It's insensitive regardless.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And then him calling Vanita and like making himself the victim was weird.

Speaker 1 The whole idea, like forget about whatever comment he did or didn't make that may or may not have been ignorant and inappropriate and insensitive.

Speaker 1 But just the fact that he has this girlfriend and we watched him lean into this storyline with Vanita all season long and then play her the way he's played her and then have his actual girlfriend, whoever this person is, like talk shit about Vanita when clearly she's hearing from JT about what that relationship status is.

Speaker 1 And obviously, he's downplaying it to her

Speaker 1 while up playing it to us, which is interesting that we haven't heard from her at all because, like, you would think he's clearly

Speaker 1 obviously he must be blaming producers in the show and you know, when it comes to her, and I don't, I'm assuming they're still together. Are they are, you know, she must be believing it?

Speaker 1 That I don't know, but I know that Vanita did share on the after show that that scene in maybe the second or third episode where they're shopping together. And she's like, oh, you look yummy.

Speaker 1 That like she actually spent $5,000 on him that day. And it's just kind of one of those things where it's like, that's not something your best friend does.
Like that's something that like $5,000.

Speaker 3 Well, he's claiming that never happened. And like, there's Vanita's claiming it did.

Speaker 1 Vanita, yeah, Venita got on Southern Turnout after show and said that she spent $5,000. She's like, that's not something that a best friend does.
And that's also not something someone would lie about.

Speaker 1 Like, no, she's not. Yeah, I spent $5,000 on him.
But I'm like, that says to me that she thought she was investing in her future partner, not like, oh, you know what? I think you would really like.

Speaker 1 He looks so good in this.

Speaker 1 Throw it away. Why not?

Speaker 3 I feel like Benita's been so mature this whole season of like, she's clearly getting played to this day. Yeah.
And like the whole time, like, she's trying to be positive of JT. And I don't understand.

Speaker 1 You know what? She's very much like southern values and trying to be like a put together southern woman. And I love that for her.
But I'm like, yeah, it couldn't be me.

Speaker 1 I would be like exposing this man left and right. And she's still trying to see the good in him it's tough to watch uh paige and craig now

Speaker 1 and she's rolling her eyes at him i think they say like the the i mean they're broken up now so you know we have the answer but like there's no no better sign of a broken relationship when people are rolling their eyes at each other i mean yeah but it's also like for me like in defense of paige i'm just like can we just sit down and have dinner like it's just like every they go to the farm they go look at bees and somehow it ends up in this like very serious or like conversation of like your career, you're moving forward.

Speaker 1 I want to settle down. And she's like, Can we just have dinner? Yeah, I don't want to watch that.

Speaker 1 I'm sure they don't.

Speaker 1 I don't, no, I do not want to watch Paige come to town and sit them, watch, and not talk.

Speaker 1 I know, I'm fully aware, but what I'm saying is that Craig can't sit here and be like, oh man, that was mean or whatever, where I'm just like, you started this conversation.

Speaker 1 But also, she does really like to like, really throw it in as like the whole conversation with Austin of like her, her being like, you're preaching to the choir.

Speaker 1 Like, yep, I, you know, I don't think you need to let they very much were like bonding over their relationships being similar on their end and like kind of in front of

Speaker 1 in front of Craig where it was like,

Speaker 1 okay, I mean, she's definitely checked out, checking out of this relationship in the process. He's trying to move this relationship forward.
He's trying to like, hey, I got this house.

Speaker 1 I got this backyard. He's got a great backyard, by the way.
Yeah, he does. Well done, Craig.
It's very nicely done.

Speaker 1 But yeah, like he wants to, I mean, literally settle down and she doesn't, you know, and it's it's unfortunate because I'm like, but I, I just understand her when she's just like, I never want to live a slow life that I'm like,

Speaker 1 you guys need to break up.

Speaker 1 I mean, listen, everyone's different, you know, like Nellie and I really didn't talk about it, you know, when we, when Nellie got pregnant with River, you know, but boy, we haven't slowed down, you know, like, and we're very lucky and very privileged to be able to get help.

Speaker 1 We have a lot of family members who can help with child care and things like that, but like we have definitely not slowed down, you know, like, and so when you, it's just interesting hearing this conversation and hearing Paige's perspective as if like she definitely has it in her mind.

Speaker 1 And it is obviously for a lot of people that if like a life with Craig and if they decided to have kids together, you know, like there's a lot of sacrifices to be made, no question when it comes to being a parent.

Speaker 1 But like, it doesn't necessarily mean that your life has to end or your life has to slow down or you can't have a career. I mean, Natalie and I have never been more busy.

Speaker 1 with our careers and we're very much like i also do think though people are

Speaker 1 scared. If you live a fast-paced life, to bring children into it, because they're scared of like, oh my gosh, I'm going to have to like sacrifice so much.

Speaker 1 And it's like, well, on one end, you do, but also like a baby joins your life. And it's, it's, if you want to, it is very easy to like include babies.
They're adaptable.

Speaker 1 They go with the flow, you know, like.

Speaker 1 it's it's honestly not as hard as i think a lot of people make it out to be and it's like if i think if if they wanted to make it work, like they, it, it wouldn't be that hard.

Speaker 1 And listen, every situation is different. You know, we're not here to tell people like, you know, having kids are super easy.
And our situation obviously is different than anyone else listening.

Speaker 1 But yeah, to Nellie's point, like, we love being parents and we bring liver along as much as we can. We, she comes into our

Speaker 1 liver.

Speaker 1 We bring liver.

Speaker 1 I can't. We include river into our life as much as we can.
We bring her around. And yeah, she like assimilates into our life.

Speaker 1 And the difference between our life before and our life now is when we're not working and we're not having a crazy life or doing some cool thing or we're not like, you know, like all the other shit is just like replaced by more meaningful shit.

Speaker 1 Like the shit we were just like, I don't know, what do you want to do? You know, when we were just like chilling. Like we replace it with just like meaningful moment after meaningful moment.

Speaker 1 And like, I don't know, that's really the only. Like, you just got to bring a lot more snacks and toys, you know? Yeah.

Speaker 3 It is interesting because then on the summer house side of like this past week, it's Craig telling Paige, if you were so busy the rest of your life, then I'd know we wouldn't work out.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 So it's like you're seeing the two ends of like how it's being portrayed on each show.

Speaker 1 And it's kind of, yeah, just to that point, it's just weird because like you just, especially for them, I mean, I don't know their situation, but like there's a lot of busy, successful parents out there.

Speaker 1 I think it would be interesting to wonder if their relationship would have been different if like Craig was willing to like raise kids in New York, where it seems like Paige was not willing to raise kids in Charleston to hurt Britain.

Speaker 1 Well, that's an interesting question.

Speaker 1 Again, they're broken up now, so it almost seems weird talking about it. But would Craig be a stay-at-home dad?

Speaker 1 Would he marry a woman who was maybe more advanced in her career than his and more the breadwinner? And if like, let's say, Paige and Craig worked out and, you know, her career keeps being elevated.

Speaker 1 She keeps getting busier and busier. She's booked and busy.
Craig is like, fine. But like compared to

Speaker 1 Paige, she seems to be, you know, on a higher trajectory. Like, would he be, you know, daddy daycare? Would he stay home? Would he, would he assent? You know, would he do that? I don't, I don't know.

Speaker 1 But like, it would require maybe something like that, you know, as you know, you got to figure it out as a family, as parents, and you adapt to whatever situation comes up.

Speaker 1 So maybe if you have two people who are like, no, I need to be, you know,

Speaker 1 also, it very much did seem like Paige did not or was not willing to like make Craig a priority in her life.

Speaker 1 It seemed very much like her career was really the only thing, you know, because she even said like, well, once like we get married and like my mom, like, you know, like my mom.

Speaker 1 Also, like, yeah, listen, I know maybe it's part of Paige's like bit or whatever, but like dating someone who like constantly like talks down to men would probably bother me after a while.

Speaker 1 Like, because Paige talks down about men to men and even a little bit to Craig, where it's just like, I don't know, like, maybe maybe that's like her bit. I don't know, maybe that's her vibe.

Speaker 1 That's kind of her persona, but like, I don't know, it would kind of Craig did say, I don't remember because they all run together if it was in Summer House or Southern Charm, but he was like, I've never been in this submissive, like, in a relationship.

Speaker 1 He did say it was a sub,

Speaker 1 which is really funny.

Speaker 1 It's just, it's an, it was an interesting relationship dynamic. Clearly, they didn't work out.
It's interesting to like watch the relationship kind of fall apart.

Speaker 1 It's very much giving like in a completely different way, but the like when we knew what happened with Sandoval and Raquel and like you knew what happened and then you watched the season and you just paid more attention to them and the background and you just saw it's just like all of it meant more because you knew like how everything ended up.

Speaker 1 It's like you watch their relationship a little bit closer because you know they're not together and it's like, do you see it falling apart? Would this be a dating red flag for you?

Speaker 1 Because I thought it was a huge red flag from Paige. Like, honestly, maybe Paige is right.
Like maybe Paige's mom, as far as Paige is concerned, has never been wrong.

Speaker 1 But if I'm dating someone and Paige delivered that line to me the way Paige delivered it to Craig, implying that like if and when we get married and have kids, that like her mom will be a more trusted like source than her own partner, I would be like, absolutely not.

Speaker 1 Like for Paige to imply that her mom would never be wrong going forward and that she would go to her mom first before she went to her partner. I don't want to marry that person.

Speaker 1 Oh, well, I want nothing to do with her. That's you.

Speaker 1 I trust my grandma's opinion. My mom passed away, so therefore that's why I'm using my grandma.
But I would trust my grandma's opinion before I trust Connor's opinion. He's never had a baby.

Speaker 1 She's watching. Listen, obviously, context matters.

Speaker 1 I mean, if we're talking about like, it's not as if they had a specific topic, right? Right.

Speaker 1 Where all of a sudden they were talking about like bottle feeding and then Craig tried to mansplain, you know, to Paige about it. Like that's not what happened.

Speaker 1 This was like a general conversation just talking about like on a high level and Paige is talking about her mom's never been wrong. So she, this will always be the person she kind of goes to first.

Speaker 1 And there is a lot of people who have that type of relationship with their parent where it's very much mom and dad are very still playing the role of mom and dad, even though, you know, that person isn't an adult, you know?

Speaker 1 And to your point, I think if we're speaking in hypotheticals, I think you would have broken up with her if you were, if you were in Craig's position, I I think you would have broken up with her last season of Summer House when she, when they were talking about taking the next step and she started crying, saying, I can't move and live away from my mom.

Speaker 1 So I'm just like, I think it's like different strokes for different folks. Like, where to me, I'm like, I understand it.

Speaker 1 I, I, if that's all you've known and that's your security, by all means, but I'm like, depending upon what you're looking for in a partner, Craig's very aware that she's very codependent on her mom and he chose to be a little bit more.

Speaker 1 I don't think he's looking for that. I think he accepted that because he realized after they were dating, like, that's who she was.
And I think next relationship Craig enters in, he'll make sure

Speaker 1 that that's not, I think that's something he put up with rather than enjoyed. And I do, I definitely, in general, think it's a huge red flag.

Speaker 1 I think they think their relationship expanded a lot of the options that he has and that he's gotten out of Charleston.

Speaker 1 How involved is your grandma in your relationship? in your relationship with Connor?

Speaker 1 I mean, I wouldn't say like involved, but yeah, if I have an issue, I would talk to my grandma before I would talk to like a friend. Of course, sure.

Speaker 1 And like Natalie has her support system, obviously people she goes to, but the way Paige delivered it, and maybe I'm paraphrasing, obviously there's editing, so who knows?

Speaker 1 But she painted a picture that her mom is very involved in decisions that Paige makes, like

Speaker 1 very involved, you know, and there's a lot of people out there are in relationships that feel like they have a husband and or wife, and they're also kind of dating that person's parents.

Speaker 1 And they almost have to like make sure before they make major decisions that that person has to clear it with mom or dad. And that is like...
Your number one dating IC?

Speaker 1 Yeah, i do feel like if i absolutely

Speaker 1 know and like it's also just not healthy like it might work for you and you might think it's okay but that's not healthy that's that's not a healthy relationship that is codependent and that is like a weird you're way too close to your your mom and dad like could you imagine if like you and connor are like should we i don't know like maybe

Speaker 1 some like big life decision i don't know should we buy a beach house I don't know, whatever. And is she helping?

Speaker 1 And you're no, but you're like, I can't, I need to like talk to, like, I just, like, can't do this without like my grandma. It's like, she has to like approve.

Speaker 1 Like, if every major decision you and Connor made and he started feeling like you had to make sure you check with grandma and that if grand and every decision you made seemed to always align with grandma no matter what and that like is that how it is i take my grandma's opinion at very high value I'm just a woman.

Speaker 1 I'm sorry. The reason why I'm still alive is because she's advised me.

Speaker 1 But if she was like, I don't think you should buy this beach house, but like you and Connor have already like gone through everything. You're financially stable.
You're can't do it.

Speaker 1 We can't do it. My grandma said no.
That's too far. But I'm like, yeah, if my grandma had concerns about it, I'd be like, what do you, what do you see? Oh, for sure.
Here we go.

Speaker 1 I would love getting a chart.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah. What do you see? But yeah, I wouldn't be like, oh, final decision.

Speaker 1 This is all coming from was Paige was like, would you like, she even like gave the example of like, if, if there were two things you were choosing from and like you wanted to do one, but your mom wanted you to do the other, like, would you do the other?

Speaker 1 Because your mom said so. And Craig's like, no, I'm 37 years old.
Like, yeah, absolutely not. I'm doing what I want to do.

Speaker 1 And Paige saying her mom's never been wrong, maybe, but like, that might be through like rose-colored glasses.

Speaker 1 Like, it may be her mom, like, you know, if she's that connected with her mom, it just might be her mom, like, I don't know. It might revisionist history, all I'm saying.

Speaker 1 If Paige's success at this point is due to taking advice from her mom, I'd take advice from her mom, too. Yeah, Paige's mom, can you come help me out? Give me some advice.
She seems fine.

Speaker 1 Maybe it's something

Speaker 1 in a relationship? Yuck.

Speaker 1 I hear you. What did y'all think of the Danielle like interrogating Lindsay about living with Turner? I'm like, girl, didn't you leave the show? It was like.

Speaker 3 Isn't Lindsay going to like, she's your best friend and you're the reason you're on this episode?

Speaker 1 There's that. And it's just like,

Speaker 1 why is this your business? I'm like, I actually respect Lindsay being like, I want to keep things separate because listen, this happened.

Speaker 1 I'm happy about it, but I don't feel the need to do everything by the book because what if in eight months from now we move in with each other and the shit that happened with Carl last season I don't need a repeat exactly she was involved she was blinded by a uh ended engagement you think she's gonna like throw all of her eggs in one basket at six months it's like no I kind of see her side though you see Danielle's side kind of I see Lindsay's side too no come on come on I just kind of get the I get I get Danielle's line being like now we're making like pragmatic decisions, you know, it's like why not now?

Speaker 1 You already made one that was like a little bit jump the gun. So like, why not now take things a little slow? And she also has a kid to worry about.
Again, I get.

Speaker 1 I'm just saying sometimes we make decisions because of the optics rather than what it actually

Speaker 1 does. And I'm just, I don't know.
Would you feel the same if Lindsay got pregnant, had the baby, and she was like, well, now we have to get married six months in?

Speaker 1 I think there's a difference between marriage and living together, especially when you have a kid. Like, a marriage is a legal contract.
She just had to kick Carl out who blindsided her.

Speaker 1 And with an engagement, she just got all the time. She just died, but I just talked about it.
away. She did say he's over like every night of the week.

Speaker 1 So it's just like the whole like, let's not get rid of our apartments. Let's not make anything too permanent because like, what if you change your mind?

Speaker 1 It's what we did in the beginning of our relationship. I'm just saying.
Well, co-parenting, though, is a little bit different nowadays.

Speaker 1 So it's like, if he's signing up for that, he knows what, what he's getting himself into. You guys are having a baby together.
That's not going to change.

Speaker 1 But like, there may be a sense where like you shouldn't be together just because you're trying to make it work for the kid. Like, they're still getting to know each other.

Speaker 1 I kept my apartment in Georgia to not add extra pressure onto our relationship because we were already living. No, but I moved across the country for you.

Speaker 1 I mean, that's pretty, that's a pretty big commitment.

Speaker 1 For me, a kid completely changes the equation, you know, and there's something very permanent and very real about having a child together. And like that just, that changes the equation, you know?

Speaker 1 And now you both like have a kid to raise. And like regardless of.

Speaker 1 What I do know about Lindsay and this man who I know nothing about is that for the next 18 years, those those two are in each other's lives. They're connected no matter what.

Speaker 1 Doesn't matter whether they get married or don't get married or move in or don't get married. Those two are in each other's lives.

Speaker 1 Carl, Lindsay, as soon as this show ends, they may never speak to each other again, you know?

Speaker 1 But like, and when you have a kid, like, there's, you know, you take kind of practical decisions a little bit out the window. I totally get where Lindsay's coming from.

Speaker 1 I'm not saying, I don't think she's making a bad decision, a wrong decision, but I kind of get the criticism. I do, a little bit.

Speaker 1 Just a little bit.

Speaker 3 As a CEO, I can see what Nick and Danielle are saying.

Speaker 1 Well, no, well, she is a CEO, so I feel like she does know how to make smart decisions.

Speaker 1 It was feeling just very not like girl's girl. It was like interrogating in front of everybody or like was weird energy.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 But did you guys see that Lindsay and Aaron from Roney were hanging out together? I did.

Speaker 1 They're both fans.

Speaker 1 I think they're just leaning in. I'm just happy that Sierra finally admitted that her and what part of her and West was a little bit her fault.

Speaker 1 I don't know if she thinks she admitted that, but when she finally acknowledged that maybe her picker's is a little off and that she goes after a certain kind of guy,

Speaker 1 I was like, oh, finally, she's taking a little bit of ownership and her feelings. I just thought it was hysterical when Paige said, I found him funny, and I laughed.

Speaker 1 And then I told him, if you tell Sierra, I'll kill you. And then Sierra's like, I will kill you.

Speaker 1 I mean, I will give Wes that. He is funny.
Wes, Wes is funny.

Speaker 1 His whole thing, the browsers thing, was really funny. And when he was talking about Carl and his life,

Speaker 1 not having Sarah.

Speaker 1 hair yeah yeah yeah I mean you can't look at Wes Wilson and say husband material right now but boyfriend material he at least used to recycle he did and he would wash out his that's like do you guys do that

Speaker 1 I do too free top or my lunch container for the next day Jesse and Lexi

Speaker 1 who which one should be running for the hills or do we think that this is gonna work out for this not gotta it's gonna crash and burn the crash out of this is gonna be incredible yeah it is it is interesting interesting to think, though, you know, the whole like comment, you know, the jealousy comment.

Speaker 1 When you're a single person, I mean, I guess I know I can speak for guys.

Speaker 1 I don't know who it is for the ladies, but when you're a single guy and you have women friends, you know, attractive women friends, but you're just,

Speaker 1 you're just friends. Like, you're cool.
Like, there's no like weird. Strictly platonic.
Just friends.

Speaker 1 Like, commenting on your girlfriends who are just friends Instagram is just something that you think nothing of.

Speaker 1 And like, especially you've been single for a while, you just don't think it's a big deal. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then when you're in a relationship, completely opposite, you're just like, why would you comment on my girlfriend or boyfriends or husband or wife's like, you know, like, like, stop being fucking weird.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And it's just kind of funny because I remember being this single for years and having friends who were women and just like, yeah, just kind of fucking around and just like doing it for the plot or like having people online like react to do it.

Speaker 1 And we're as two friends, we didn't give a fuck and we just, whatever. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And so hearing Lexi like have a like she's so entitled to have a problem with this like you wouldn't want to be dating a guy and having him like commenting on someone else's cans and you know other and his other friends other body parts and calling saying they're so beautiful and how sexy they are like you don't want to see that and like the fact that it's not clicking for him and he's just like what's the big deal i'm just like being my like just be math in his mind he's just like nothing's you know like you're asking me to change i'm just being a friend to my friends yeah i mean and to be fair they are not official he has a month to to decide.

Speaker 3 That's the part that's confusing because even the bottle service they had was like, Congrats, Jesse and Lexi, right? So, I'm like, I feel like both of you guys aren't having a conversation.

Speaker 3 I just did that as a joke, yeah, yeah, that was a bit, but still, but I'm like, they're both like having conversations, but not having conversations at the same time.

Speaker 1 That's the best kind of communication,

Speaker 1 especially for reality TV. It's gonna crash and burn, yeah.

Speaker 2 Also, it looks like Sierra is gonna get involved.

Speaker 1 Well, it looks like that's not gonna go well, yeah. It looks like Jesse's gonna lay it on thick for fun, and it's gonna make Lexi very uncomfortable.
Why would Sierra do that though?

Speaker 3 She admitted in this episode, she kind of like finds him goofy, and like

Speaker 1 she also said she's not attracted to him. Well, yeah, but that's the thing.
Why would she deliver it? She's not doing anything. Jesse's the one coming in here being like, Oh, you're so hot.

Speaker 1 Do you have a friend crushing on me? Like, oh, I might have a friend crushing on you to it.

Speaker 1 She's playing into it, but so did Paige and everybody. They've been doing this for Amanda

Speaker 1 since they met each other. They've had this little bit, and so it's like Jesse's the one.

Speaker 1 If he does end up wanting to commit to Lexi, then he should come to Sierra and be like, hey, love you, like still a homie, but like we got to draw the line.

Speaker 1 It's like it's more her fault than his fault. A lot of the times there are friends that you just like that it's you flirt with them.
And that's like flirting.

Speaker 1 Sure. But when you start dating someone.
Oh, yeah. When you start dating someone, it's different.
But then like Lexi and Jesse still aren't like.

Speaker 1 Fine. But like, yeah, they're in this weird period where like she can't get mad, but she's a human being.
Oh, she's liking this person and she has the right to feel a certain way. She totally does.

Speaker 1 And while Jesse is far more responsible for that relation, well, Sierra's not responsible for it at all.

Speaker 1 No, but the fact that a year ago, Sierra was in a very similar relationship, she was kind of dating someone in the house.

Speaker 1 You would think she would be able to empathize with Lexi more than anyone else. And the fact that she's the very person being the subject of Jesse's flirting, flirtiness, it's just like she

Speaker 1 doesn't give a fuck. It's interesting.
All right. Well, don't forget to tune in tomorrow.
We have a very great episode of Going Deeper with Barbie Ferreira from Euphoria.

Speaker 1 She's got a great new movie coming out as well. That is a fantastic episode with Barbie.
That is all tomorrow as well.

Speaker 1 And on Thursday, very excited, we have Jason Ritter returning with his wife for the first time. Melanie Linsky, they're coming together.
Very excited about them talking about their new projects.

Speaker 1 They're big fans of reality TV. I think they watch some.
Housewives as well. Maybe some other stuff.
I mean, Jason's always come on talking about the Bachelor.

Speaker 1 So either way, they will definitely be a good time. That That is on Thursday as well.
Great week lined up for y'all. We love you.
Thanks for listening. We'll see you tomorrow.