E998 - Taylor Frankie Paul Is The Next Bachelorette, Danny Pellegrino Talks Icons/Bravo, RHOM w/ Adriana

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What's going on, everybody?

Welcome back to another electric episode of the Val Fowls Reality Recap Edition.

I'm your host, Nick, joined by my wife, Natalie.

She's here.

Maybe I should leave.

I don't know.

Doesn't seem like I'm wanting

to.

Joined by my lovely, smart, lovely brain, funny, witty.

Wife.

Wife.

You said it was a little nicer.

Oh, it feels genuine.

It does.

Joined by my funny, gorgeous, wonderful, smart sexy.

Trying so hard to find a different word than gorgeous, hot, sexy, and we cannot find it.

Mother of my child.

Mother of my child.

Oh, my God.

Oh, my God.

It just rolls off the tongue.

At least he does love those things about you.

You know, at least I'm hot.

I guess.

And when I'm not hot anymore, I'm guessing he will leave me for someone who is hot.

It's a podcast.

You're telling the people who can't see me that I'm hot.

Okay.

Everyone knows you're funny for sure.

That's what it was.

In case you're listening, Natalie is very beautiful, sexy, and hot.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And she's inspiring.

She's smart.

She's funny, witty.

Magnetic.

Oh, my God.

That was a good one.

Also, Susie Evans returns to the household today.

Hello, hello.

Glad to be back.

Well,

it's happened.

Taylor Frankie Paul is your next bachelor.

You are welcome, Bachelor Nation.

You're welcome, ABC.

People, your haters are trying to say that you have an inside source, and that's the only reason that you got it right.

What do you mean?

It was literally my idea three months ago.

I gave him the idea.

He is

the source.

I am the source.

What do you mean?

I am.

The call is coming from inside the house.

ABC has an inside source it's called nick biopsy yeah do you not see his comment they asked nick they literally are watching they had the idea on their own and then someone called me up just to be like just so you know three months ago by the way you should say this like i'm pretty sure taylor frankie paul was like in the midst of filming season three three months ago and the bachelorette was not on her radar yeah bachelorette was literally canceled they were like we're not doing this again

nick was like this will save the franchise if you guys want to do it you should you You should.

And he's 100% right.

Because I'm like, even seeing the comments going around about it, everyone's like, I haven't watched in, I don't know how long, and this will get me to watch.

It's lit.

Maybe I know a little bit about this world.

I don't know.

Producing.

Creating.

It's going to be great.

It's going to be fantastic.

I'm glad the people who make these decisions finally made a good one.

Made a good one.

Yeah.

Hopefully they don't fuck it up.

There is a new showrunner in town.

I mean, you know, Taylor.

Is this the same as Bachelor in Paradise show?

Same as Bachelor in Paradise.

So we're going to get a a lot of B-roll.

Okay.

You're getting a lot of B-roll.

Hopefully, they don't cut out some of the drama, you know.

Oh, but there's going to be so much.

Taylor, she was Taylor-made.

Yes.

To be the Bachelorette.

I mean, she really is everything that makes a great bachelorette, obviously, you know, smart, articulate, beautiful, vulnerable.

Honest.

All these adjectives he's coming up for Taylor, but he couldn't come up with them for me.

That's crazy.

I've never heard you say

That's crazy.

Gorgeous, stunning, beautiful.

He's like, Kayla Frankie Paul is gorgeous, hot, and stunning.

So she's going to be great.

Articulate?

Okay.

I don't want to, I'm not going to call her gorgeous, sexy.

She is.

That's not my place to say.

That was nuts.

No, but like, you know, she's going to, you know, we love a bachelorette who can like stand up for herself and call out, you know, bad behavior without it acting or coming across as performative.

You know, like when Hannah Brown did it, it was amazing.

And then so many other bacherettes following Hannah Brown have tried so hard to have their Hannah Brown moment.

And Taylor Frankie Paul is going to Taylor Frankie Paul.

She's like, no disrespect to Hannah Brown, one of the best bacherettes of all time, but I don't think Taylor is going to be thinking about how do I replicate that.

Taylor is just going to Taylor.

And we're going to get the most authentic her, which is what we want.

And she's, all Taylor knows is how to be herself and just show you what she cares about, what bothers her, what scares her, what worries her.

You know,

she's made for this.

Oh, yeah.

And the best part too is that she's been on a show before, so it's not like she's new to the cameras or she needs to like warm up.

I feel like she'll just be like ready to go.

And I feel like we're gonna get like our like windmill moment, kind of, where it's like, if somebody tries to like cross her or say something or do something, she'll be like, let me check you right at the door and you can see your way out.

I think it's also like shedding light on the women who don't have like a perfect story.

And it's like, I feel like time and time again, like the people who are the leads are these like picture perfect and these like, you know, people who've never been in love before or people who've never like made any mistake before in their life.

And here we have this person who's like been vocal about her mistakes and has three kids and like is a mom and to and to go on this show.

And I didn't think the decision makers had the guts to do something like this because they always try so hard to sell you.

the image

of someone who doesn't exist.

I mean, so many of their like bachelors have been like jobless, you know, or stalkers.

Or stalkers.

Never had a boyfriend or a girlfriend.

Like never had a serious relationship.

And they've always tried to like sell you this idea of someone that they're like that they're not.

Yeah.

You know, for this idea of selling like this bullshit image.

And yeah, like we're, we know who Taylor is.

She's an imperfect person who is continuing to work on herself and pick up the pieces and move forward and work through adversity.

And like, that's what's exciting to watch.

That's what's inspiring.

We want to see the mom, the single mom who's made mistakes, find love.

Yes.

Totally happy.

Like, I'm tired tired of watching the people who like I wanted Daisy to be the bachelor.

I don't even know why because there wasn't much storyline in her season, but I was like, her family owns a Hallmark-like farm.

Yeah, like that would be so great to watch.

Why?

I don't even watch Hallmark.

Daisy was sweet and wonderful and nice.

She was.

Daisy.

She's

gonna be.

Usually, the people who have Taylor's star power and Yeah, just star power and the ability to just shine bright behind the scenes are not very humble.

and they're not easy to work with.

Yeah, I'll just say that.

And Taylor is all of those things.

She is incredibly humble.

She is incredibly easy to work with.

Yes, generous.

Yeah, I also think that she will give people opportunities to do the right thing, which I think is cool as well, because I think, like you said, so many people have come after Hannah Brown and tried to have this moment of like, let me put my foot down.

And I even think production wants that.

But I could see Taylor putting her foot down and then being like, now get your shit together.

We're moving forward.

Yeah.

And like,

I think we'll see people grow.

Yeah.

And I like that.

That's a great call.

Absolutely.

Do you think they're going to do like a gun season when they brought the X?

They're going to bring Dakota in and be like, he's one of the men.

I think for sure.

I think they will try.

I don't know, if you will.

I've ever heard some rumblings.

I've heard that he's been trying to get on the show.

I think regardless of if it was Taylor or not, but I think that there were like rumblings in the community that he was iconic.

Could you imagine, though, that he did

that he submitted for casting long before Taylor was announced?

He fights for her.

That would he was like supposed to be on gin season.

He's just like still in the night.

So they're like, all right, so Dakota, sure, we'll cast him.

What would be epic is if he got out of the limo and that she just like was like, absolutely not sent him home.

Yeah, I don't think they will.

I think they want to obviously like protect her.

And I think that relationship was so toxic that to bring him back, it's like, you know, they have a kid together.

It wouldn't be fair to Taylor.

They need to protect that relationship of co-parent and not try to like make it messy.

And it would be too confusing as to like, what show am I watching?

I hope they don't.

Yeah.

I mean, this is really just very exciting news.

Susie, how do you, I saw a lot of people in the comments being like, we wanted Susie.

Oh, I know.

I saw that too.

I was like, little do you guys know, haven't heard a peep.

So I was never in the running.

Never going to be me.

It was never me.

So all of you cheering me on.

Thank you.

It literally feeds my ego.

And I'm like, should have been me.

Loki, I'm like, no, I'm actually so excited.

That's so he would have been great, but I think we all agree that this is

1,000%.

I don't think that I would be cut out for it.

I don't think that I would have, I would be, I think I'm like too frightened by some of my experiences.

And let's just be real here.

This is a franchise that has been sinking faster than the Titanic.

Yes.

They need to also do this for Bachelor if they're ever going to bring that back.

Well, think about like, this is like, think about the significance of this move.

Like, what was next on the lineup was the next Bachelor season, which would have been the 30th Bachelor season, a big big milestone for the franchise.

I mean, you know, that's

as shitty as the franchise has been lately.

Most shows don't even get a whiff of 10 seasons, let alone 30.

So like credit, obviously, to the franchise.

But I just feel like they've been making decisions that, you know, aren't in the best interest of the show.

I think they've been playing very reactive rather than proactive, listening too much to like various pockets of the internet of what they think they should do without thinking about what's best for the show.

What does our core audience want?

What is going to be the most compelling, most exciting cast?

And now they're finally being proactive.

And this has a chance to like reset the franchise because there were no, like, who could they have casted for the men?

Like, literally no one from the season.

So they would have to go completely outside.

And there was really no person, like kind of a celebrity who would be willing to do that.

Like, Dylan Efron is in a relationship.

He's not available.

He's not available.

And he has been for quite some time.

Danny Amendola, like, probably wouldn't do it.

He's already rich.

He's a football player.

He doesn't need, you know, like, he just, I just don't know if he would have done something like that.

I think someone like a Danny Amendola could have been a very interesting cast, but I just don't know.

Tom Sandipal.

Think about it.

Oh, you're like,

David.

What about Carl Radcott?

Oh, my God.

What are you?

Carl's not.

Okay.

I'm sorry.

Yeah.

Anyway, but now that they can pivot, they will have Taylor.

Hopefully they cast.

I mean, casting better not fuck this up.

You better get some great men

for, of all, for Taylor.

I mean, you some mature,

ready to settle down, ready to be a stepfather, because that is what they would be.

They need to like be 100% ready to take on that role as a stepfather.

And

I want some good single dads.

Great single dads.

Oh, with our recent kids.

Remember,

they've had some shitty single dads.

Remember the single dad who was, who did he call out?

What was his fucking name?

He was one of the most disgusting men from the franchise.

Do you remember?

Oh, the one who, my son is at home.

That guy?

Yeah.

Oh, yes, yes.

Oh, my God.

Yusuf,

Yosef, yes.

Who is this man?

Whoa.

He was before you were.

Yusuf.

Yusuf or something.

Yusuf's son's at home.

That's what I'm saying.

Just because you are a dad doesn't mean you're a good guy.

A lot of shitty dads out there.

So I want them to find some great single dads.

Doesn't not that Taylor has to end up with a single dad, but like someone who can obviously relate and empathize with, like, it's going to be a challenge to be away from her kids and things like that.

You know, and then

they need to find some great men.

They, you know, and and it should be easier to cast because obviously, like, Taylor is going to, is someone people are going to be very excited about.

Um, she knows how to be famous.

That's important.

And I think sometimes the bachelor franchise has been so afraid to acknowledge that this is a TV show and that there is a level of celebrity that comes with it.

You already see Taylor is so media savvy in the best possible way.

She's going to navigate this very difficult world very gracefully.

I also think she's like not willing to change or alter herself for whatever like society thinks she she should be.

I mean, like, I feel like the stylist is going to be like, okay, so here's your gown.

And she's going to be like, I don't know.

I feel like wearing sweats and crocs.

Like, can I just do that?

They'll be like, literally, well, it's not really what.

And she's going to be like, I'm going to do that.

And then we'll see her at a row ceremony, like, in comfy cozies.

Yeah, it's 4 a.m., you guys.

Yeah.

Literally, like, can all of y'all just go change?

Because you're making me like uncomfortable in these tuxes.

Like, can you just get the fuck out of here?

Can we just keep it real?

Yeah.

That's my question, though, because it's like, you're taking such a wholesome franchise and then you're casting someone that's known in the the entertainment sphere of like toxicity drama so i'm like you're breaking the format yeah anything can happen they needed to they needed to reset and hopefully like you know i mean and they'll have another like when hannah brown was such a great bacherette she gave us peter weber and whatever you thought about peter as a bachelor it was an amazing season and then because peter weber was such a popular contestant on the bachelorette it got some great women contestants and we got another amazing season like you have to have great leads in popular seasons to have people people want to sign up for your show.

Like every time they fuck it up, it just like makes casting for the next future seasons that much harder.

Yeah.

So they have a, they have a chance to reset.

I hope they don't fuck it up.

Let's hope not.

Oh, we have a great show lined up for y'all today.

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Did she say wretched or ratchet?

I think wretched.

Also, did she know the difference?

Did she know that there was two words?

Right.

And probably like me, she just

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Danny, welcome to the show.

Hello.

Thanks for having me.

Great to have you.

I feel like this has been a long time coming.

Yeah, I mean,

we've been begging you and begging you and begging you.

I have not received that call.

Right.

And internal meetings for like, when are we going to have Danny Pilot Greeno?

I know when you guys reach out, I was like, all I could think about was like those dramatic entrances.

I always see on social media, on TikTok or whatever, it's like whenever the guest sits down, it's always a bravo lebrit, has the really dramatic sit down.

It's like, you guys are going to talk about all the dirt.

I think you just did the one with Katie

from Orange County Housewives, which of course was.

Fantastic.

Yeah, yeah.

What did you think about that interview?

I mean, I thought it was great.

What's fascinating to me about the Katie situation is no matter what, I've been analyzing the housewives on my show for years now.

And what I've realized is that whenever the cast goes against one person the audience always tends to side with that one person no matter what like i i don't actually i think the cast might have good reasons to not like katie um but it never works out that way in terms of the audience reaction do you think it is how they go about it where they kind of lack maybe the tact or maybe it's the editing because i think part of it is this almost feels kind of like a bully situation like a bully situation like a pylon you know and i also think that the cast

never produces as well as a producer is going to produce on the show.

And so sometimes the audience, I think, can feel that the product or that the cast members are trying to sort of produce or cast the show themselves.

And it's like, let the other people behind the scenes do that.

And I think ultimately it might have the cast, Katie might not have been back next season or the audience might have turned on Katie more if the cast would have just let it play out how it plays out.

Instead, you can kind of feel the cast trying to control the casting.

Does that make sense?

It's like now we all have sympathy for Katie and now we like don't want her to go anywhere.

And now we like are mad at all the other women for like ganging up on her.

I feel like it's kind of similar to last season with Shannon, you know, Tamra being like, I've never seen someone who gets a DUI and then is like,

has this treatment.

And it's like, well, it's because everyone was mean to her and we all felt bad.

I think the person has to be so incredibly unlikable for the cast if they team up against that person to kick them out.

But otherwise, it's like the audience is always going to decide.

It's almost like the fans are like, we'll decide who we like.

Let us like.

You don't get to tell us who to like and not like.

Yeah, that's interesting.

Before we started recording, we were talking more OC.

We were talking a little bit about Slade, and you had some kind of thoughts about his involvement this season.

Well, I would have thought they would have leaned in a little more to the Slade.

Like, he's not, I think it was maybe in one confessional.

There was also those text messages between him and Matt, which also like looking at the text messages between him and Matt, obviously, I mean, Matt was sort of presenting that as a smoking gun against Slade, but it's like, obviously, Matt was in on it too.

And like talking to him so much on all of those call logs and everything, which is like, that's kind of of sketchy.

But Slade, in those text messages, it was blurred.

And I'm like, what's going on exactly?

Like, why are they blurring?

I feel like there must have been something.

I thought that was weird too.

Right.

Like, he's been on the show from the beginning.

And if anything, I would think they have the release on him.

So did he contact production and say, I don't want these text messages shown or something.

I saw an old clip.

I'm sure Sierra, you remember this, that of when he was with Joe and he was at a reunion and he was like, yeah, I'm not coming back next season.

And he was like, well, that's because Joe isn't coming back next season.

Andy caught his ass.

yeah so like obviously you aren't coming back but they are still talking about the shape of his dick which is i know we're over it we don't i don't need to know what it's curved or not i don't care anymore

i never needed to know first is it like is is it curved or is it broken because like curved is one thing curved is like oh that's that's interesting i've like hit in a new spot and like broken is like

I don't know.

Are you okay?

Is it functioning?

But isn't that weird that that's like all we've learned about Slade and all of this time off of the show?

And then, yeah, I mean, there's this whole thing about like Tamra preventing Slade from working, but then it's like, well, what?

So, was he just not working in all of those years off the show?

Like, I don't really understand what was happening because there was a

career of his own before.

What exactly is that?

Do you remember when he was talking about wanting to propose to Gretchen and his mom is literally looking at him like, well, what do you do?

It's like his own mother couldn't decide what he does.

And she's like, I work for Gretchen.

And he's worked for Gretchen this entire time, but we're like, as what?

As what?

Her assistant?

The four part is wild.

Like, imagine if I said, Natalie works for me.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Rather than like, we work together.

Yeah.

The other kind of strange part about it all, and this is maybe a little devil's advocate, but it's like, I remember that you're talking about their proposal.

And it's like, I remember that.

And I'm so shocked that they're still together all this time.

Like, there wasn't

married, right?

Like, everyone's being so weird about.

their like label it's like boyfriend yeah it sounds like long-term life partner or Like, what?

Why do I feel like it has to do with taxes?

I hate how they write, this is a

offshoot, but I hate how they still label the people.

It's like, we've been watching the show.

It's like, I don't need you to say Shannon underneath Shannon.

Like, I get that it's Shannon.

It's Shannon.

We see that it's Shannon.

She's a main cast member.

She was just in the opening credits.

Like, I don't need you to write Shannon underneath.

Imagine if you're watching Friends and just says, like, Joey.

It's like, we get it.

I know.

So true.

156 plus years.

It is wild.

Like, she isn't.

I guess for anyone who, I don't know, would randomly start this one season, you know, like hasn't watched.

Yeah, like, who's, I don't think, I don't think new people are really tuning in at this point.

Like, I think it's, you have the people who've been watching for years.

Yeah.

And I think if you get anyone new, it's like someone who has a friend who was like, okay, you're on maternity leave.

You need to sit down and watch this.

Totally.

Also, the flashbacks let you catch up really easily, really fast.

Like,

Housewives is one of the easier franchise to like pick up kind of wherever they're at.

And you know, you'll figure it out.

Yeah, you'll figure it out.

You'll flash back.

It'll be great.

And the other thing about it, though, is like they don't label everyone.

So it's like, why are they just labeling?

Shannon will be entering a scene with Tamara and I'll just say Shannon.

It's like, what the fuck are we doing?

What do you think of Emily's storyline this season?

I don't like the stuff with a kid.

And I like, I understand it's like Angel Devil.

Like, I understand maybe presenting something like this can be helpful to parents going through something similar.

But I just think of myself, like, I had eating disorder issues as a kid.

And I just think like if my mom was on TV talking about that before I had sort of my handle on it as a child like that makes me uncomfortable.

It's a little yeah.

And I think they what they should have done and I they're sort of are doing this a little bit but like I think they should have leaned into more of like her and Shane's relationship to what's going on with the kids while keeping the kid thing thing.

She touched on it a little bit with the girls of like we've almost divorced because of this.

And then I've heard stuff like, you know, about the tea shots or whatever.

She's like, I finally want to fuck my husband.

And it's like, give us that and like leave.

You could still kind of do all of that stuff without giving the details of yeah, it's uh I

completely agree.

It's always it's it's and it's tough to critique, you know, as new parents, right?

Like everyone has an opinion about how people should parent and things like that.

And obviously, people certainly have opinions about us and what we do as parents and what we share or don't share.

But yeah, it is a little uncomfortable to your point

when we're talking about like this kid's pitboat.

Yeah.

You know,

I think are we

we're all sitting in the doctor's office.

And also, by the way, he's not, it's, no one seems to know exactly what's happening yet.

So it's like also we're doing like a guessing game.

It's not even past the point of a diagnosis yet.

But what is interesting too is that dynamic of, because I think every couple will struggle sometimes is like the tough love versus kind of the nurturing.

You know, it's just like, hey, sometimes, you know, when River cries, like Natie feels it in her bones.

And sometimes I'm just like, you know what?

It's, it's going to be okay.

Like, sometimes we don't need to do that.

And that is a challenge for every relationship.

And her and Shane clearly are going through that.

And Emily is vulnerably admitting that she maybe kind of coddles her child.

And Shane's just like, hey, you know, when you're gone, he magically seems to be okay.

So maybe.

you're playing a role into this and things like that.

And that is fascinating.

Right.

You know, I also wonder if there was something behind the scenes of

you, this is your, what's going on in your life?

You have to talk about it.

I'm sure there were conversations and then you know if i put myself in someone like emily's shoes you might think well this is how i make a living for my family is it important to kind of go into this i just don't feel comfortable walking it's one of those things to me that feels a little icky it is hard i mean it is it kind of reminds me of like salt lake city with mary and her son and i feel like the difference there obviously is he's a good age yeah yeah so it's you know he and her coming out and being like we had this conversation of like should we bring this and he was like, I want to help other people, you know, like the fact that they had this open conversation about doing this around cameras versus like this minor who like you, like, no one even knows what's going on.

And we're just like speculating.

And then you're allowing millions of people to also speculate on your son.

Because I tell you, I post one thing of River and it's like, oh, this is what she has.

Oh my God, she's not eating because she has this.

Oh, she, you know, like everyone has an opinion.

And so it's like to open up that door and allow people to try to help diagnose.

Everyone plays doctor.

I know.

I don't like the social media thing with, I have a three-month-old and it's like so stressful to post any photo or anything because you just immediately, I mean, if you're taking a picture when the baby's just unswaddled, people are like, well, the blankets.

Yeah, baby's too close to the blankets.

And it's like, well, I'm in my face.

Which I'm right above the baby.

Yeah.

Or I think, like, I remember I took a photo of River.

I was getting her out of the car seat.

So she was the top one was unbuckled.

And I took a photo of her and then posted it for maybe five seconds and got like, you're seriously driving around with her unbuckled.

I'm like, are you fucking stupid?

Like, you really think I'm just like, oh, this one's not meant to be buckled.

This one's for decor.

It's time to take a photo.

And it's like carrying a backpack with one strap instead of two.

And in general, no one wants like the parent, even in person, it's like most of the time you'll ask if you want advice about like, oh, hey, is there a diaper you like or is there a formula you're into or something?

But, you know, no one really wants unsolicited parenting advice.

And so when it's coming from strangers or I've had people, you know, reach out with like medical advice.

It's like, I'll talk to my pediatrician about that.

It's like, I don't even know this person who's reaching out to me with medical advice.

Like, why would I take it from you?

Like, let me figure it out with my circle.

That was the same thing while I was pregnant.

It was always like, you know, if I said, oh, my God, I've got headaches.

It'd be like, oh, my God, you have.

And now that we're going through this, like trying to get pregnant again, there's a lot of, you need to get checked for this.

You need to get checked for that.

And I'm like, guys, I am working with doctors, people who like do know what they're talking about.

I'm trusting them.

And kind of going back to like the Emily situation sometimes with the situation you want to share your life to maybe connect with other people who are going through something similar but then the flip side is you have to deal with that opinions and you're like oh fuck well salt lake city is coming

soon what is it next week is that two weeks

september 15th it premieres on my dad's birthday how about that they did it for him what are you most excited about and looking forward to this season?

All of it.

I love Salt Lake City.

I think they're the best at,

they have an argument, conflict resolution.

So it's like one episode, you might have conflict between Lisa and Meredith.

The next episode they're together and they're feuding with Heather and then Heather, you know, so they go really quick.

What I like most about Salt Lake City versus something like Beverly Hills is that they have 100 storylines going on at once.

It's not just Beverly Hills.

We'll focus on one thing.

And the whole season.

You know, like, okay,

Heather.

But see, the weird, the fascinating thing about it is I, in talking about all these shows, I hear from a lot of people who watch.

And so many more people, I think, tend to watch Beverly Hills because it's like laundry television.

you can fold your laundry while you're watching it

because they focus on one storyline yeah you're not like wait what did she just say wait go back yeah you're you can miss the two seasons whereas salt lake to me is for the fans like that is like you have to sit and pay attention that's so true that's why i like salt lake city so much better and i just realized now why because sometimes i'll like be watching beverly hills i'm like didn't we didn't we have this episode already is there another new episode or am i watching the same episode as last week it feels very repetitive that way how was monica monica honestly fabulous yeah And

when we had Monica on, you know, like she came in right after it all went down.

And we talked.

I remember one of those dramatic entrances.

And we talked, I was team Heather team.

I mean, because as someone who's been on reality TV, who has, you know, gotten a ton of criticism by the internet, I feel a certain way about anonymous blogs and anonymous accounts who, whether they think they are or not, are very much bullies to people on on TV.

They don't treat us like human beings.

They spread rumors and gossip as if it's like just with no consideration.

When that all came out,

I was triggered.

I was just like, this is so fucked.

So we had Monica on and she knew all the shit we talked.

But listen, I didn't agree with what she did.

She didn't change my mind that she was wrong, the role she played in being a part of that account.

But I also just like...

Still could see, I don't think it came from a place of evilness.

And, you know, for all the people who are fans who have like these anonymous accounts, again, I think a lot of them, a lot of them just don't realize how it is affecting people.

Because I think sometimes as a fan, you just kind of like almost objectify.

Right.

It's like they're not seeing this or they're not.

They're not, yeah, they're not internalizing it the way I am.

So, yeah.

And then, yeah, as we got to know Monica at first, I was like, can I trust this person?

I trust this person.

But she's, she's honestly been pretty consistent with just being a really nice, pleasant person who was very gracious to come on.

And she was like, not, you know, I don't know.

She, she seemed fine.

That's what makes a great housewife, though, is when you're, when the audience is speculating, do I like this person?

Do I not like this person?

Where it's every week you're kind of going on that roller coaster.

And Bravo sort of edits the shows that way.

But I think they work best when you're week to week the audience is saying, do I like that person?

Do I believe her or her?

Do I side with them or that person?

But I am such a fan of Heather.

I've told her as much.

And I'm waiting for Heather

to not try so hard to be friends with the Lisa's and the Genshaws of it all.

And it always just feels like Heather, I don't know, was it, was it

Angie and talking about going to high school with Heather and how she talked about like Heather always wanting to be part of like the it group and like and that like made so much sense the way she moves with the rest of the women because she always seems you can feel it yeah she she you could she just seems to be like Lisa is plays a very good Regina George in a way right where she's like kind of popular.

She knows all the people.

She's in all the scenes.

And it seems like Heather always wants to be surrounded by those people before it was Jen Shaw.

I feel like Heather has all this potential to be like the leader, but she doesn't like have the confidence in herself to be the leader.

And I hope someday she just decides this is my season.

She might, you know, that cast just goes on such a roller coaster.

It's like, I mean, Angie last season.

Yeah, Angie.

She's a big girl.

Yeah.

And even when Angie first joined, I think all of us were like, oh, who's Angie?

She seems a little thirsty or or whatever.

And then her next season back, everybody was like, I love this woman.

I want to watch her every second.

Yeah.

I mean, they do such a good job.

And Lisa, you're right.

I think like Lisa, what I love about Lisa is that she seems to be totally herself on camera for good and bad.

And that always works best for a housewife, too.

But I love, I mean, even Meredith.

She's all great.

Sometimes Meredith, I feel like, isn't necessary.

I don't know how much she is like that, but I love her.

persona that she's presenting to us.

Like, I don't know.

Yeah.

Does that make sense?

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, because every every season you get a couple of like, you

know,

she just goes,

you can leave.

So hardcore.

As a new parent, you watched Unknown Number on Netflix.

Oh my God, yes.

It was crazy.

That woman, the mom.

Yeah, we've talked about it a little bit, but like, you know, it must have been very triggering for you as a new parent, like thinking about like, what, how could someone.

It was shocking because I didn't know anything.

Did you guys know the story before watching that?

When they showed her mugshot, I was like, oh, I remember seeing this bitch's,

yeah, I didn't even like recognize, I didn't know any of the story and like halfway through spoiler alert for people who haven't seen it but halfway through the documentary we're interviewing this mother who's been abusing

who's crying and i like i'm on her side and i'm thinking oh my gosh like i can't believe this mother having to deal with her her kid getting bullied and these text messages and then halfway through it's like oh yeah it was the mom doing it and the mom it's like so delusional delusional and then it's so upsetting but by the end of it the daughter is still defending the mom which i kind of i get it too i understand but it's sad.

It's sad, but I was very frustrated with whoever the director was because it really seemed that they empathized way too much with the mom.

I think a lot of people are frustrated with that.

And I wanted a diagnosis.

Like I wanted to like explain to me how a mother could do something like this.

Don't let the mother explain it to us, her point of view.

I don't care about her point of view.

And I don't want to hear her downplaying it and comparing it to like,

you know, me being 17 and stealing a bag of chips.

Right.

And it did feel, to your point like they didn't grill her enough with any of the questions because by the end of it it just felt like we all had more questions why didn't they should have went deeper maybe the mom was just giving surface level answers of like well i just kind of got caught up into this or whatever but i just felt like i needed more information she there was also some confusion on whether or not She was saying she didn't initially start texting.

Somebody else did.

That was a lie.

Which is obviously a lie, but it felt like they didn't grill her enough on that.

They almost accepted that.

I don't even think they said like, well, then who did?

Do you know who did?

Or

what's your opinion on who did then?

Like, there was no follow-up there.

And it's like, that was a pretty big gap of time that you're saying.

She answered it if she got caught up into a certain like kinky porn.

You know, it's like she watched some kind of like swinger porn and then like kind of just went down to it and got

obsessed with it and just got obsessed with watching a bunch of orgy porn or whatever.

She's like, I don't know.

It just like started.

It just happened.

You know, it wasn't a first.

It just happened.

But then also like I had questions for the dad too.

Like it just, he found out and then he was mad about it but then it ended and i don't know i just wanted more information about like how their relationship was after he found out and it just i mean they're probably working on some sort of follow-up to it or maybe there's going to be a part two or something i would imagine but yeah it just felt like there was too much left on the table there but it was really fascinating and also just so dark-sided that a mother could do this anyone could do this it was weird disturbing halfway through i felt like i knew i was like it's got to be one of the parents right yeah they knew too much and it was too like it was too sophisticated for it to be.

I wanted to know more about the relationship between the two moms, like, because they were really close friends.

It's like, I understand that once the boy mom found out that the young woman's mom was doing it, like, she, they distanced themselves.

But it's like, was there ever more confrontation?

I don't know.

I just wanted more.

Yeah.

Before we get into some games we have for you, before we send you on your way,

you helped co-write Tom and Ariana's cocktail book.

I did pre-scandal.

I was on Special Forces with Tom.

He's been on this show.

He's gave us one of the more iconic interviews that we've ever had.

And I've been on record of saying this.

I have a bit of a soft spot for Tom.

I obviously don't condone what he did.

I think it was horrible.

He had a bad time taking accountability, but I don't think he's an evil narcissist that so many people tried to make him out to be.

But you are also someone who worked with both of them and obviously got to know them while working with them.

I'm just kind of curious what your thoughts are, knowing them human to human.

Well, you know, Sviley, I'm thinking of the valley, and I found it so fascinating.

This never really came up.

I don't think I talked about this on my show much, but it was so interesting to me that the audience seemed to hate Tom more than Jax.

Yeah.

And like Jax was so awful, like just continuously.

Like abusive physically, we heard things, you know, like there was so much.

And I don't know, I found that interesting.

And obviously, Scandival was like a bigger cultural moment and stuff.

So, um, and of course, I'm, I love Ariana and I,

I think she was the best.

And working with her was so incredible.

And they, you know, I don't want to, yeah, I don't want to say anything too much, but it was, but it was.

I don't know.

I think like working with Ariana was so great.

And you worked with Tom.

You could imagine.

He's a very interesting, eccentric person.

Yeah.

I mean, they did come up with all of the, I did, I was their co-author, whatever, but they did all the cocktails and stuff.

And, you know, he came up with some great recipes and stuff.

And Ariana was just like the best to work with.

I loved her.

I loved working with Ariana.

Okay.

Love that.

You love working with Ariana.

She's gorgeous.

She's beautiful.

She's gorgeous.

No, and she's also like, I never thought, I said this even before working with them and stuff and getting to know them, I learned, I never felt like they gave Ariana the right, the right edit.

I never felt like her personality came across on the show.

And then it was fascinating to me, like once Scandival happened, it seemed then they tried to all of a sudden lean into like, oh, Ariana's great.

And I was like, she's always been great, but like, you guys have always just presented her as sort of this like downer person.

And I never felt that was right.

And I would always say that on my show.

I'm like, that's the Ariana in real life is so much more vibrant and funny and and and now the world is sort of seeing that bravo loves their toxic but it's like yeah that's what i hate the most is like

tom always got this kind of well well-rounded at it before scandalball yeah and even a little bit after scandal do you have as much empathy for brittany as say ariana or do you feel like brittany is kind of culpable in her life that she's chosen for herself i have a lot of empathy for brittany because i think with the the sun and that's what i find hard about the valley valley.

And I like the darkness underbelly of Bravo, and I like watching.

I mean, from the beginning, it's not like a new thing.

The beginning of Beverly Hills Housewise, we were dealing with alcoholism, suicide, these kind of things.

So I find that all very fascinating.

But there comes a line or a point, right, where you're watching.

I was like, this is uncomfortable.

And some of those situations in the past have been uncomfortable.

And with Brittany and Jax, I don't like the kid.

It goes back to Emily and Shane.

I don't like when there's a kid involved.

And I think being a new parent, I'm a little sensitive to that.

But it's like knowing cruise is involved.

I don't, all of it makes me a little uncomfortable and very empathetic to Brittany because she's saying these things.

And there was, I mean, she, at the reunion, she was saying Jax, push her in a bush or something, right?

And everybody on the cast said we knew about that, but they didn't even follow up on that.

And then it starts to feel like we're protecting Jax, you know, and, and throughout the season, I felt like that too, going back to your point about protecting a lot of these toxic men.

It's like, they had Jax doing Watch What Happens Live, playing games,

playing games.

Like that was wild to me that he's on Watch What Happens Live, playing a silly game and the audio doing audience polls and stuff when they knew how the season played out they knew how the reunion was playing out i think at one of the points he was on watch what happens live he was doing the i i had hosted some of the one of the van segments they did where it was like the cast was in the valley van and they paired us up with different people and so he was in that preseason where they're so he was doing press and promo and everything and they knew how so like to me it's like well that's a little dark side and that makes me uncomfortable yeah it's so gross and so i i always kind of thought with the Jax thing, they should have,

they could still tell the full story, but why are they doing promo with him?

And like,

leave the story for the show.

Yeah.

We don't need all these bells and whistles because then at least I can, as an audience member, believe, well, this is a documentary.

This is we're seeing these people's lives.

But then when it becomes this like showboat thing, I'm like, oh,

yeah, well said.

All right.

Well, we do have a game or games.

We have a game.

We have a game.

But it's a game of all games.

It's a game of all games.

Mary, take it away.

Explain the game to our audience and Danny.

This game is called Iconic or Iroll.

Okay.

And we are going to show you some moments from pop culture recently.

And we want you to tell us whether you think it's iconic or an eye roll.

An eye roll.

Iconic or I roll.

And then, of course, Beyonce holding Grammys for auditory listeners is iconic.

And Liz Lemon rolling her eyes is an eye roll.

Okay.

So up first, we have Doja Cat eating her lipstick on the VMA's red carpet.

Iconic.

And I sort of, it brought me back to the days.

I know that's not what this was, but it brought me back to the 90s when they would have like a lipstick would be candy.

Do you know what I'm saying?

Yeah, like cigarette gum.

Right.

Like, they don't do that anymore.

Lip smack.

As a little closeted gay boy, it's like, I wanted a candy lipstick.

Yes.

Yes.

And that's 100% what it was.

And I, I mean, I think even.

Gabby said, like, you didn't even get any on your teeth.

Right.

Yeah.

Proof that it was.

Well planned.

Do you think it was real?

Yeah.

Then it wasn't real lipstick.

Yeah, it was probably, you're probably right.

It was candy.

Seem, I'm done.

I was like, yeah, it was great.

She just ate the lipstick.

It's iconic.

It's iconic.

All right.

Up next, we have the end, just like that finale.

Okay, I thought I was going to say all of these were iconic, but then we talking about this finale, I thought it was terrible.

And I hate that they're trying to convince us that it was pre-planned, that they knew this was coming.

Because if they knew this was coming and they ended it with shots of shit in the toilet and Victor Garber looking at shits in the toilet and cast members or guest stars that we never even knew, like these Gen Z kids that were just, it was terrible.

I hope that sort of the public backlash against this finale encourages them to come back and do some sort of wrap-up movie or something, because for the whole legacy of those characters to be ended like that to me is just egregious.

Yeah, they took a big dump.

It was a big dump.

Literally,

a literal dump.

And it was like, we didn't have to see the poop.

If you wanted to include the poop, like we didn't need to see all the shots of the poop.

But it was weird.

I don't understand the mechanics behind the scenes of like, did HBO approve all of this?

Like, did they just say, did they see the finale and go, okay, that's it?

Honestly, they could have just had Big Die and then her get back together with Aiden and then end it.

But then we all hate.

And then they ruined Aiden.

Like, I was always Team Aiden back in the day.

And I was like, oh, we ruined Aiden.

I kind of feel like they, and I hate to be dramatic, but I feel like they ruined all of the characters.

Like, almost every one of the characters they ruined.

And Charlotte, Harry, like everything about, what was her vertigo situation?

I could go on.

It's Miranda Hobbes.

You're going to tell me one of the most successful lawyers, the one that had their head on straight, is the one that's like an alcoholic mess.

It's like, I don't know who I am anymore.

Come on.

And then we didn't even get a scene between the three gals in the finale.

It was like, we're spending time with these Gen Z people who were written just like,

I don't know.

But what about Rosie O'Donnell?

I did love Rosie.

To me, that was the high point.

I mean, I'm a huge Rosie O'Donnell fan.

And that was the high point.

To me, that was the perfect level of cringe where it was like, that was purposely funny cringe and it worked.

Her singing wicked in the alleyway to Miranda, like that was,

that could have crossed the line, but to me, it went right up to it where it was like perfect.

But it was the only, I think, one of the few moments of the whole season that I was like, this is good.

And tonally, it was all over the place.

I don't know.

We tried the first season.

I was like, I can't.

No, you're smart.

Once Che Diaz, it's uninteresting.

I know.

And to me, I like the first couple of seasons because of the Che Deas of it all.

I think it was worse in the first two seasons, but in that way, it made it more fun.

Yes.

This most recent season, they course corrected a little bit, but so it was still bad, but it wasn't fun.

It wasn't as fun bad.

It was like, oh, this is just like boring.

Well, the good news is you can still go back and watch old episodes of Sex in the City.

And like Anonymous cleanses your palate.

I know,

those original episodes you've watched a million times.

And I would tell anyone, there have been some contrarian takes that have come out after Injust Like That of people saying, actually, it was good.

You know, New York Times did something.

And it was like, I would encourage any of those contrarian takes to watch an episode of Injust Like That more than once because I was recapping on my show and there was a couple that I had to watch twice because I was taking notes or whatever and I dare anyone to watch an episode.

It gets worse.

It is painful to watch

50-minute episodes.

When it comes out, you have the nostalgia of you know, the original franchise and you're just like, all right, we're coming back.

Maybe you see the characters and you're like, oh, maybe this isn't that bad.

So I dare anyone who says that and just like that wasn't that bad to watch an episode more than once.

Okay, so we got an eye roll on that one.

Eye roll.

I roll on that one.

All right.

Up next, we have Sabrina Carpenter writing the lyrics.

Tears Run Down My Thighs.

Iconic.

I like that Sabrina is like doing the old pop star playbook and like giving us some things to talk about because no one else is.

She's being a little controversial.

It's not like super controversial, but it's like, I'm enjoying it.

She's had to

come over.

You can first, second, third floor.

You can come in the back door.

She's like,

you know, you need a pop star if you have parents like mine were when I was a kid who are just, you know, very like odd and things like that to like kind of suggest that your favorite pop star like

might you know just be like the worst influence for you but they're really honestly totally fine like you need a little bit of that you need everyone needs a little bit of that you need a church mom to like not like their music yeah it's their pop star playbook and it's like i and if pop stars shouldn't play it safe and they should cross the line a little bit and not that that does but i just think she's playful and fun and and now at this point now we're expecting playful lyrics like that out of sabrina carpenter that's what she's been delivering and so if you're surprised by that i am excited for the tour for this because juno she gave us so many so many iconic so many moments i mean i learned so much i know you do oh great i'll take a note try that one out yeah she really is like a shakespearean wordsmith if you think about it oh yeah yeah 100 yeah okay so iconic iconic all right up next we have Karen Huger's post-prison fit.

I'm excited for Karen Huger's post-prison iconic.

I'm excited.

I think I read a headline that maybe Andy's doing like a one-on-one with her.

And there were posts that maybe she was filming when she was leaving the prison.

And that excites me because I just know that mid-season trailer, it's going to be like one of the Nick Vial trailers where it's like somebody's sitting down dramatically.

The mid-season one, at the end of the mid-season trailer, it's going to be Karen Huger getting in that car.

It's going to be so good.

And I can't wait.

And, you know, she did her time.

And yeah.

Iconic.

Icon.

Hillary Duff signing to Atlantic Records to release new music.

Iconic.

I mean, I Iconic.

I love it.

I know.

She's amazing.

And

I hope that people embraced her new music.

I mean, her last, she had a couple of good songs more recently in her last music venture.

And I just feel like they kind of came and went.

But hopefully.

Put some respect on her name.

I know.

Put some respect.

And also.

Let's go back to the business.

She's made it through.

And also, like, go back to the drawing board with the Lizzie Maguire reboot because they tried to do that.

And they were trying to do like an older version of it.

And Disney, I guess, pulled the plug because it was a little too old.

She was going to have sex and they got really scared.

Yeah, and it's like, let Lizzie fuck.

Like,

let Lizzie fuck.

Louis got Hulu for that.

If you don't want to put it on Disney Plus, put on Hulu

and let us watch.

I mean, we don't need to see everything, but like, let Lizzie fuck.

Let Lizzie allude to it if you must.

Maybe a Sabrina Carpenter song.

Yeah, could you imagine that premiere Sabrina Carpenter playing while

tears run down in her thighs?

Right when Lizzie's about to fuck, it's like the animated Lizzie comes on the screen, so we don't have to see anything.

animated lizzie comes on it's like lizzy fucks

there we go

okay i got it taylor so engagement ring oh iconic you know there's like these rumors that she's i'm from northeast ohio and there's rumors that she like got a place there with travis and i'm very excited about it i just heard this like chagrin falls area so i'm excited about that but i'm i'm i like i like to take your son to like trick-or-treat around the neighborhood

my husband really loves taylor swift and he was saying uh for the first time ever it's like sort of opened the doors like maybe we can live in Ohio.

My family's all in Ohio.

It's like, maybe we can move there.

All right, let's do, let's get into some rap and fire on these White Lotus France location reveal.

I'm excited.

Iconic, I think.

I had heard rumors that maybe it's going to be like a wintery season.

Like, if they film, I think, before May, it's winter there or something.

Yeah, but he, hasn't he said he like despises the cold?

Yeah, but so that's what I'm curious about.

Like, will he, will they do, did HBO kind of convince him to do a wintry thing?

Because I would like a wintry thing.

A ski lodge.

A ski lodge trip.

At least try it.

We'll see how it goes.

Totally.

So someone dies freezing in the snow.

That's probably what it is.

Yeah.

I would like a little switch-up just because visually I think we need a little.

I know they do different countries and stuff, but I would like a seasonal switch-up.

Maybe fall, autumn.

Autumn.

Everyone has movies like latte.

Yeah, and also Dennoy.

Please give it to us.

Christian Girl Autumn White Lotus.

I'm excited for like the rumors of an all-star white lotus.

Like, have you heard that?

Like, eventually Mike White might want to do an all-star where it's like to have a

cool amazing.

All right.

Britney Spears' Instagram account.

Okay.

Well,

first of all, we hope everything is well with Brittany.

I want to know, was that, does anyone know what bathroom?

So this was an Instagram clip you're showing where she was on a date on a date at a sushi restaurant.

She posted that she was in the bathroom.

The date wasn't going well.

And does anyone recognize?

I was trying to think, what sushi restaurant is that bathroom?

Is it Nobu?

That's what it is.

It's giving, well, I've only been to Nobu like twice.

I I feel like that's the

aesthetic that Nobu would.

Right.

Could you imagine just Brittany Fears is not going to like

walking in to take a number one and it's like Britney's just doing the dance in there on a date?

Like, could you imagine that?

I'd offer to film.

I'd be like, no, let me help you.

I know.

I'll take care of it.

We'll get a good

job.

I'll pray regularly.

That's crazy.

I mean, I hope everything's well.

I don't know.

I hope everything's well.

I'm always hoping, praying that this is all just a bit.

And she's, she's just a job.

She has to really know.

Like, it's like she comes out and she's like, ha ha got you all yeah

yeah and it's like and also if you are having a bad date make the most of it yeah and honestly yeah who's who hasn't who amongst us hasn't been on bad date where you go in the bathroom and searching dancing

yeah it's better than calling out the window at least she went back yeah at least she was filming this though do you think she just i think it's on she put it on

the bottom she has an octobuddy i do cut a little on the window on the wall the amount of videos this girl is putting out i do appreciate that it's like we're it at least doesn't feel like it's running through a social media manager yeah right yeah she's unfiltered she's being authentic with yourself all right we have two more gretchen claiming she never went to the hospital but also yes she did go i i i roll it's like what be honest with us like just tell us what's i don't know we there's footage of you saying that you went to the hospital and then there's footage of you saying you didn't go to the hospital and i definitely and all that like lie detector bullshit i hate all the lie detectors they need to retire lie detectors on have you guys some lie detectors on here no

They need to retire that.

We're like, yeah, we do it.

It was like the full school agreement.

There he is.

But who, like, I mean, it's, and Emily hosting it, she's an attorney.

It's like, come on, what are we doing here?

It's so stupid.

And it also is like, what group of friends are getting together for a lie detector test?

I understand we're breaking the fourth wall a little bit, but maybe we need to put that fourth wall back up because

now at this point, what group of friends is getting together to have one of them surprise you with the lie detector test that you're going to talk about at every event event that you go to with each other.

It's like fucking nuts.

You do need a special skill in housewives to be able to break the fourth wall.

Otherwise, it does need to stay up.

Yeah, they're going to be able to do that.

Bravo, bravo, bravo.

Bravo, bravo.

You're going to kind of figure something out.

And I think they keep trying to dip into the breaking of the fourth wall, and then they don't fully go all the way.

But when it comes to something like this, it's like now we're just watching your group of people that were cast, and there's no artifice of them even being friends, much less

if you're getting together and

lie detectors has what are we watching here?

But in Gretchen, it's like, just be honest, i don't know she acts like she doesn't think there's cameras and like mics on like you should know whatever you say will be run back yeah yeah all right

last one taco bell bringing back the cool ranch to read i kind of loved taco i kind of i don't know it was canceled i know i didn't realize they took them away but they need to never take them away yeah it's part of a y2k like thing they're doing which is insane to me but i appreciate that all of these fast food restaurants they're doing like these drops now like fashion places always have done and so it's like we're getting all these new, they'll come out with a drink one week.

They'll come out with the Y2K menu or something.

And that's fun.

Or even like collabing with reality stars.

You know, we have Taylor Frankie Paul's like drink with the Taco Bell, you know, which is good.

It was good too.

It was a frozen Baja Blast with like heavy creamer.

Where would you most want to do a collab?

Like where would you want to do like a and what would it be?

If you had to do a Taco Bell or like a McDonald's.

It's like a chickplay and it's making them like not homophobic.

No, yeah, not homophobic.

Yeah, that's that's the partnership.

I'm like, listen, let's work together.

It's crazy.

I don't even just ended homophobic.

And Rosemale Sunday.

Yay!

The way Danny goes, oh,

roller coaster ride.

Anyway.

Yeah, no, I agree with you.

Yeah, because I used to love their chicken.

Right?

I know.

If you make them an ally.

I know.

But what about you, Nick?

Would there be?

Nick hates fast food.

Or if you had, you don't like any fast food?

Like, if you had to put together McDonald's, you know how they do those collabs where it's like, that's their.

It would be Culver's.

I'm a Wisconsin kid.

Oh,

what does the order be?

Their butterburger.

Okay.

But I don't collab.

I don't know.

Like, I don't know.

Like, I think in the McDonald's ones, you have to put together a meal.

So it's like a chicken.

Yeah, you take one thing, like a McChen and a McFlurry.

Well, my McDonald's order was always a Big Mac with six-piece chicken nuggets and fries.

That'd be the Nick Mile.

Okay, so you put the chicken nuggets on the Big Mac.

It's called the Going Deeper.

There you go.

Wait, that's actually good.

So good.

What would yours be?

Probably double cheeseburger, no mustard or onion.

I hate how they cut up their onions so small people don't like them and you can't get them off.

So true.

And then a four-piece chicken nugget, a toy.

The pickle always looks really sad, too.

I like the pickle, but it is sad.

Yeah.

I just don't like how you can't remove them easily.

Like the pickles, you can, but I like the pickles.

And it's like on its mouth and the flavor, so it's like in the meat, like veins.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I would do a nostalgic toy, too.

I would like my meal would have a happy meal toy from the 90s.

Cute.

That would would be like that.

I know that'd be cute.

I would make them use real meat this time.

Yeah.

Nick worked at McDonald's.

Did you really?

For like a month.

How was it?

I worked at a Panera once, not the same thing.

I used to steal chicken nuggets on my way back to the bathroom.

Nice.

Love that.

Is there anything so you would still be able to eat there after working there?

Well, when I was 15, I didn't really care.

And I also feel like that was long enough ago.

Maybe things have gotten better.

Well, I think things have gotten worse.

Like now they, you know, there's one of my, I saw a recent video where a a guy like bought like a McDonald's cheeseburger

and just left it outside to see if like nature would eat it.

You know, like would animals be like, this is food?

And like, no one touched it.

Two weeks later, mint condition.

Like no squirrels, no birds, all the things.

They were all like, oh, no.

No plastic.

Can I complain about something with them really quickly?

I hate how you go in there now.

The one right here where we're at.

um nearby is doesn't have anyone working the counter anymore you have to like order oh yeah at the machine computer thing thing.

And I'm like so sick of going to these places and like not being able to talk to somebody.

And I don't want to tap a screen or the grocery stores.

It's like, I don't know.

I wait in line at the grocery store.

I don't know the POS system.

Like I'm not trained employee.

I will, if most grocery stores will have like the self-checkout and like two cashiers, I'll, I'll wait in the line for the cashiers.

Yeah, the target only has sometimes one, if not sometimes zero

workers.

And it's so frustrating.

And then here in LA, you have to pay 10 cents for the bag.

And I was talking about this on my show.

I said, like, that's my employee discount is the bag because if you're making me do the bagging and the checkout and everything like I deserve an employee discount

in California when they ask how many bags you have and you say they're like are you sure they're like double checking like

people like me who are lying yeah

I always say zero bags yeah no I'm the first person no I'm not I'm not paying for a bag if you're making me do all the work like why do I have to pay for the fucking bag

I'm the first person to complain and ask someone to open up another register.

I'm like, you see, this line is all the way way into your makeup section, and this is causing traffic.

You need to open up another checkout.

Please, you two ladies are talking about like your boy problems, you know, like get, let's get to work.

And at McDonald's, it's like, I sometimes might just want to ask a question about something.

Totally.

Yeah.

Like, have you changed how you chop up your onions?

Yeah.

And the POS system isn't answering.

Or is the ice cream machine down?

Or like, I don't know.

There's no comments.

How's your day?

Yeah.

How's your day?

Like, just in general, it's so bleak to me now.

And I only notice this because normally if i go it's not like i go much or whatever but it's like the drive-through if you go but i had to go in the one day and i was like what is going on here at all these places and i feel like such a boomer complaining like at the sky or no i totally agree with you it's like a lot like in the airport

and i yeah also hate that yeah let me talk to somebody you're not that old oh well birthday's in a month

when's your birthday october 9th okay depressed about it are you guys good about getting older are you guys good about it i'm working on it nick doesn't like to talk I just ignore it.

Yeah.

I look young.

I feel young.

I'm a young dad.

Right.

That's all that really matters.

We don't celebrate the number anymore.

Yeah.

Danny, this has been so much fun, man.

Please come back.

So much fun.

Where can people find you?

My podcast is called Everything Iconic.

I recap a lot of Housewives.

So

I'm Recapping the Valley or Real House of Orange County.

And my social media is at Danny Pellegrino.

I have two books out too, Essay Collection.

So go check those out where people get your books.

Anywhere where you can get your book.

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adriana welcome to the vile Vaufiles.

Thank you.

Thanks for having me.

So great to have you.

We're all big fans of you.

How are you doing?

How are you enjoying this season?

Let's start there.

I think I'm enjoying myself.

I feel like I started like stealth mode.

You know, I came in quickly, but now I'm giving it.

So I feel great about it.

Are you having more fun watching it back than you were actually filming it?

Or the other way?

Yes.

Okay.

It's usually better to watch than to be in the middle of it, chaos.

So yes.

Okay.

You've gotten to the other side i think the fans want to know if you don't mind us asking what is your relationship status these days i think we all uh we're big fans of that uh hot young man by your side uh and we love an age gap here on the vile files um and so yeah um

Is he still in the picture or are you out there doing your thing?

Well, no, he's no longer.

You know, he's a CEO of a French company and he had to go to Paris and he had to stay in paris for a good six months so that kind of the relationship didn't last didn't survive the the long distance i was

single ready to mingle why are you available

ask my wife you can have him for a night he's pretty fun you can have him married you didn't know

no no no you can take him for a night I take him, Jack.

I'm flattered.

You're gorgeous if you don't mind me saying, ooh, I'm blushing.

He is blushing.

He doesn't get hit on very often because, you know,

married with a kid.

So sorry.

I feel so bad.

No, not at all.

This is so much fun.

Who do you feel like you're closest with to the cast right now post-filming?

Lisa, Lisa and Gertie.

Okay.

Not Julia.

No.

Well, speaking of Julia,

I think I speak for many fans.

We were just kind of confused by her, I guess call it reveal or announcement when it came to her adoption.

Obviously, beautiful thing that she was able to do that.

We're all very happy for her and her family, but it just, it really just,

it just seemed like very odd how she went about kind of like telling everyone and then revealing it to the audience.

Obviously, you guys were, it seemed like close friends.

Did it seem as odd or as awkward to you how she decided to go about telling everyone about this big decision in her life?

Yes, it did, especially because I was with her through the process, right?

I twice signed her home studies vouching for her and Martina.

So when you're that involved, and all of a sudden, you know, you're just, you know, I don't know anything about it.

I don't know the development of it.

And then she just, we have this communication through some of the producers saying, you know, we're going to have, you know, an announcement.

It's going to be on camera.

Everybody needs to log in to do Zoom call at this time.

I'm like, okay.

And something Julia has to say.

So then I am in Montana because I was at a wedding in Montana.

So I texted her.

I was like, Are you okay?

Is everything okay?

Because then I'm concerned.

And she just said, Oh, yeah, yeah, don't worry.

You're going to hear this with everybody else.

It's just better you hear about this on camera.

So I'm thinking, well,

I don't know what to think of it.

And just felt so manipulative and just so,

you know, calculated the way that news, I mean, like, supposed to be given, she could have said, you know, you helped me throughout this process.

Guess what?

I did it.

Now we're going to tell everybody else.

It was a letdown, you know?

It was a letdown for me.

And I felt it was quite awkward.

And did you guys ever have a conversation about you being the godmother at any point?

We haven't.

you know, I assumed that if I'm good enough to vouch for her in order for her to get the children, that shouldn't be too far from, you know,

of an ask.

And if she asked me, I'll be, I mean, I raised a boy and that happens to be an outstanding citizen, you know, a very responsible young man.

So I feel like the biggest testament to your person,

it's how

well your children do and how, you know, responsible they are.

So I felt like that wouldn't be a question when it came to that, but I guess not in her mind.

What would it take for you guys to mend this relationship?

I don't know.

I feel like

probably some time and then also,

you know, some

real deep conversations in which you don't have outer influence of her new found friends that are now, you know,

I feel like taking her to a

space

that she shouldn't be in.

People that are just telling her what she wants to hear instead of telling her, you know, how things really are.

Do you feel like the other women have pushed a wedge between you and Julia?

Like, where is your friendship at today?

Right now,

we really don't have a friendship.

Do you feel like her feud with Gertie was orchestrated?

I have my suspicions.

I feel like, sorry, my dog wants to come into the kitchen.

The baby.

He's like in my lap, like asking me for you.

I feel like, yes, there were some influence.

I feel like that was a conversation that was had.

That was something that was, you know, literally orchestrated.

There's also someone that is the master manipulated, that works in the shadows and never shows hands.

And she's very cunning in that sense that she used people a little less

bright

that can't see through to then deliver, you know, know, her.

Who would you say that would be?

Yeah.

If you had a guess.

Who's a little dimmer?

I would guess Marisol.

Is that why you hate her so much?

I don't hate Marisol.

You know, I just

mostly disappointed and hurt by her.

I don't hate her.

I feel like in the last episode, Stephanie, maybe it was the teaser, but Stephanie was kind of saying that she's starting to suspect that Marisol is behind a lot of like the tension between her and Alexia.

How are you and Stephanie?

And have you guys talked about Marisol at all or like got it on the same page?

Yeah.

So obviously I think things are starting to be revealed now where Marisol and Alexia kind of says what the intention or what the reason why, the real reason why they didn't want to get in the plane

was because Stephanie had gone out to lunch with me.

So to me, that whole series of the reason why we don't want to go to your plane is because you're bossy or the sitting or the this or the that, that's not the truth.

The truth is Marisol wanted to punish Stephanie for going to lunch with me because Marisol has, since the get-go,

trying to oust me from the group and ice me out, beginning with her, you know, party for her wedding.

I wasn't invited.

Right.

And then, you know, everything happened.

But so she was trying to teach Stephanie a lesson by saying you're not gonna play by my rules I am gonna teach you a lesson and that was the lesson do you feel like Stephanie is trying to impress people with her jet you know it's so funny Stephanie is not like that like the countless times that I've been together with her in real life She's actually very humble and very focused on her work.

She's not always flaunting and mentioning her things.

Her things are there because they are there, but she's not really talking about it.

Do you think it's more of a projection from the people who don't have what Stephanie has, almost like, you know, throw, you know, putting that idea out there that she is kind of leading with the jet rather than, you know, it actually coming from Stephanie?

Yes, I feel like Stephanie's secure enough in herself and her, you know, professional accomplishments that she doesn't need to rely on her material things.

But yes, she's sarcastic and something I actually appreciate on somebody.

If you're smart and sarcastic, I'm right down there with you, you know?

So I feel like some people just don't get, don't get her, don't get her sense of humor.

Um, because she truly does not plaunt her things in real life, in real life conversations.

When cameras aren't rolling, that's not her.

Love that behind the scenes.

How are how are you in Kiki?

And have you guys been able to clear up the whole ratchet or ratchet mess up?

Debacle, whatever.

We have, you have.

We had had on-camera and off-camera conversations where I did apologize.

I said, if it's wretched with a WRE, the man, the way I intended, the whole intention,

okay, let's go back.

The backstory,

if you guys are interested, I think just a little bit of the backstage of the whole thing, right?

So we're in Spain.

We're going to the Alcazar.

And we're having a great time.

I am giving the girls some history lesson on art history and architecture.

Everybody seems entertained and happy except Kiki.

So she's not being herself.

She's being unhappy.

But she wouldn't say why.

Later on, when we get out of the vans to go to the dinner, the first person that comes out of, we're separate, two separate vans.

Kiki is in one van with some of the girls and I was in the other van with some other girls.

And then the first person that comes out of Kiki's van is Julia.

And she runs to me and says oh Kiki was trying to pick a fight with me inside the van saying that why didn't I check on her all day because she wasn't happy that the girls the other girls went on through their daily activities without inviting Kiki or checking on her so she was in her feelings about that

um and I said okay fine we go on to sit with this long rectangular table and Julia and I sit across from each other in one end and And then people, you know, proceeded to sit themselves just as they arrive.

And then, so Kiki's on the other end, and then there's Alexia next to her.

So after everybody's seated, Kiki started, Alexia, why you have your back turned to me?

Julia, you know, why are you sitting on the other end so far away from me?

Then Marisa goes, Kiki, stop your theatrics.

Because Kiki was just going around the table trying to pick a fight with somebody because she was unhappy.

And then finally, when she got to me and I was in the Bill of Conversation, that's when I said, you know, why are you so wretched?

Meaning, why are you so miserable?

We're in this beautiful place, in this beautiful restaurant.

It's the last supper

in Spain.

Can we just enjoy this moment and leave a tender moment alone?

That was the sentiment.

Of course, that escalated.

And but the truth is, I regret saying that word because it has a double connotation, which I definitely not intended.

And if it's recharge with an R or this laying derived version of R, you know,

the colloquial term, they are both pejorative.

So

I should not use the word.

And I regret saying the word and I apologize to Kiki.

And, you know, I'll, again, formally say, I regret using the word.

You know, no taking lesson learned.

I'll not use the word again.

Well, thanks for coming out.

I feel like it makes a lot of sense to us.

And I'm glad that it also, it seems like you and Kiki are in a good place.

So, and I think that's what matters most.

Yes, Kiki and I are in a good place.

You know, she has apologized and I have apologized and we're all okay.

Now, interestingly, going back to people manipulating and cunning and fabricating things and continue to push stories that don't belong to them is at the finale, you're going to see a big development of this story on someone that would not let the bone go and continues to push this when the things have been squashed already, you know.

So, that's what's interesting.

Then, you're going to have a big moment where you're going to see how people, some people, actually work and how their best work comes out of the shadows into the light.

Does that involve the kiki blocking gurdy of it all?

No, no,

there's more.

There's way more.

Yeah,

There's more.

There's more.

What does it rhyme with?

Yeah.

Julia, Misa.

We'll get there eventually.

Yeah, you know,

we appreciate you giving us that much.

Do you think Lisa was overreacting by not unfollowing?

Well, that was more of a sense of Lisa doesn't like to be told what to do.

And she didn't realize that maybe it wasn't not the, you know, the best move not to unfollow, but until we had a conversation again at the Alcazar and when she asked me for my opinion and because Lisa and I have a long history you know like since season two and when I explained to her my side how I felt it and how I see it that she was was more of a detriment to her to not unfollow than to unfollow then she understood and she said you know what that's it she just didn't want it to be told you know to be bossed around by Larsa that was the point that she was trying to make what is your opinion on Jodi I like Jody you do

and the him texting Larsa did that bug you as much as it seemed to kind of bug the other woman?

Well, I never like guys kind of meddling into the girls' conversations because that is just like

a couple, you know, when a couple has an argument, if a friend tries to meddle into that, you know, the couple is going to make up and then the friend's going to be the bad guy, right?

So I feel like guys in that context should not try to interfere one way or another.

However, they were friends in the sense that they did socialize a lot.

So, two couples, right?

And they did exchange numbers and they had that kind of intimate relationship where they did text each other.

So, you know, it probably wasn't the best thing to do, but they did it anyway.

And

yeah, wow.

I don't want to put words in your mouth, but for me, like watching Larsa and Lisa go at it at the dinner table while Lisa's trying to deal with like legal papers and all that stuff.

Is there more to the story or was like all of that that vitriol solely based off of unfollowing her ex-boyfriend?

Because it just kind of seemed like that was a pretty brutal way to talk to someone.

I feel like there's more to the story than that, right?

I feel like it's not just that, but I feel like she's hanging on to that one because that's the one thing that people can see know about.

I'm sorry, my thing keeps falling off.

You just have little ears.

I do.

Little ears.

You're just so little.

Literally.

But I have big boobs to make up for that.

Hey!

Can't relate.

You got to compensate somehow.

And I hear guys prefer playing with boobs and ears, so that's why I totally

heard that too.

Yeah.

But just playing with that.

Yeah, I don't know.

They had a big, you know, friendship and there's a lot involved.

And I think they're both upset.

And to me, it was just, it was just deeper than that.

you know it's just deeper than that you know how's it your master's going uh over at harvard great i'm already in my last semester i graduate next spring so

working hard

we love that thank you our uh one of our executive producers here justin he's also an art history major yeah studied art history wow no so i mean my take my take on miami is you're one of the wisest people because you've been there since season one but also like watching your little history lessons i think we need it.

Thank you.

Little culture doesn't hurt anyone, right?

That's right.

How did you feel about, was it Marisol saying that she also had a Harvard sweatshirt?

Yeah, from the airport.

From the airport.

Well,

you know, that's a, that's a dis,

the perennial, you know, dislike of her.

It makes me just wonder why does she dislike me so much?

Is it because she can't do what I do?

You know?

Hey.

Gotta be.

You know, haters, haters hate, you know?

Yes.

I guess, you know, like if somebody's, if somebody's not hating you and not doing something, you know, positive or, you know, big enough, right?

If you don't have haters, that means you're not succeeding.

People don't hate people who are less successful than them, you know.

How do you exactly?

How do you like being a friend of?

Do you miss being an original housewife, or do you think the friend of is kind of a better gig?

There's pros and cons, you know, to either.

There's less pressure, but I still feel like I produce just as a full-time.

So I don't feel like my impact on the show is lesser.

So, you know, yeah, it's fine.

Outside of your, you speak one, two, three, four, five different languages.

Is that correct?

Yes.

Outside of the language that you learned growing up with, what's your, what's the most fun language to speak?

Italian.

Yeah, I love Italian because I was

born and raised in Brazil.

So Portuguese is is my native language.

Then I learned English because in my school we had English.

Then later I learned Spanish and then French and then Italian when I studied and lived abroad in Italy studying art, you know.

But I had already my that's out of the family came from came from Venice.

So I already had Italian in my family.

So to me, like the language that

I feel closer to after Portuguese is Italian because it's close to home.

Beautiful.

How do you feel like the vibe of the Royal Housewives of Miami has changed over the years?

I feel like we have somewhat evolved with times where we

I feel like the younger generation like you guys are impacting the way shows are now being done.

I think we were a lot more cutthroat before

and now we have to be kinder and nicer.

That's interesting.

That is interesting.

Yeah.

Do you like in what way do you feel like the younger generation is like, can you give us an example of what you feel like?

I feel there's less prejudice that is accepted.

You know, there has been since

the technological revolution that created more of a diversity acceptance where the whole world could chime in.

Like, when you say something nowadays, for example, I was just in Brazil visiting my mother.

So I'm having breakfast with my mom in Sao Paulo in a hotel.

And somebody comes up to me and says, oh my God, are you Adriana?

And I'm like, yes.

And my mom, you know, she's always 80.

She doesn't even know what I do and doesn't understand anything.

And she's like, why is this lady coming to you?

I was like, she's a fan and she's from Canada in Brazil.

So, and she's of a younger generation as well.

So I feel like the globalization, the diversification of the fan base, several movements that occurred in the past decade, for example, like you know, the me movements and other things

does,

you know, did affect and still affects the way we should relate to each other and respect each other and are less, you know, acceptable of things that in the past people just think it's okay, you know.

So smart.

Love it.

Any more questions for our girl?

I want to know what's coming up.

Like what's left of the rest of the season?

Well, there's some big, big, big, big, big, big, big bombs that are going to explode.

The finale is going to be big.

Are you setting them off or are you helping defuse them?

My God, both.

It was very little with me on the first half of the season, but this end of the season, I come in and I'm like, you know, bigger than, I don't know what.

Like, it's a hurricane, Adriana, I suppose, even though I don't like to refer to me on the third person, but

I think it is so, you know, tacky to do that.

I have new songs, you know, the finale I'm going to sing again.

I'm going to drop some new songs.

And I actually have one that was written by this little, for this little guy here.

Multi-time.

He was my

inspiration.

Yeah.

So there's new songs and there's new revelations continuously being

attacked by some people that can't let go of things like I said, that beefs that have been squashed up, but they continue to bring it up and just have to, you as a fan, just have to ask yourselves why.

What is the point of that?

And then the reunion comes and their reona is just bombastic.

That's going to be something.

Well, Adriana DeMora, thank you so much for gracing us with your presence.

It was an absolute pleasure.

Please come back.

Good luck the rest of the way and at the reunion.

We're absolutely rooting for you.

Excited to hear this new music you got coming out as well.

And all the best.

And hopefully we'll get to see you again.

Thank you.

I'd love to.

Thank you, guys.

Thank you so much.

All right.

Bye-bye.

Bye.

He's so cute.

All right.

Well, that will do it for us today.

Congratulations again to Taylor Frankie Paul on being our next bachelorette.

Super excited about that.

Thank you to all our guests, Danny Pellegrino and Adriana DeMora.

We have a big week lined up for you next week, including a special going deeper with Jesse James Decker and her husband, Eric Decker, who are on this season of Special Forces.

They've also been around.

They have, you know, some great music.

Eric's a former professional football player, a very fascinating couple.

Excited to talk with them and so much more coming at you.

Always good to see you, Susie.

Glad to be here.

Thanks for having me.

And the rest of the household also says goodbye.

We'll see you next week.

Bye-bye.

Bye.

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