E1029 - Love Is Blind's Joe, Timothy Simons, Myles Smith, RHOSLC, RHOP and Are Boyfriends Embarrassing?

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Speaker 1 Well, I don't have the stomach of a lady. You know, all you ladies are always like, dairy.
I will say

Speaker 3 dairy's coming back, though.

Speaker 1 I love it. It's a dared.
Yes. Name.
My dairy. Dairy's coming back.

Speaker 3 It's coming back. It's making it come back.
Not for me.

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Did you know? That's crazy.

Speaker 3 You could milk any kind of nut.

Speaker 1 I honestly didn't

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Speaker 1 Wow. We got a full house.
Oh, we also have a packed episode, Joe. From Love is Blind.

Speaker 1 Boxer Joe. Boxer Joe.
Mustache Joe. Mustache Joe.

Speaker 3 The one all the ladies want, Joe.

Speaker 1 The one who has a girlfriend is also doing podcasts.

Speaker 3 Can't wait to ask him.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Joe. He is with us to round out our Love is Blind coverage following the finale.
In case you missed it, we did have Sparkle Megan

Speaker 1 and Jordan in studio together to talk about their experience on Love is Blind, their breakup, their fallout, you know, Megan being a mother, all that fun stuff.

Speaker 1 Though he also created some internet waves because they flew in to do the interview and obviously they were some sightings

Speaker 1 of them together. I love the drama.
Starting a little internet drama. Thank you.

Speaker 3 Did I send the pops? Like, did I send them out and say, hey, go get them?

Speaker 1 Yes, in the Denver airport. Also, in case you missed it, Shannon Bador joined us on Tuesday's episode of Reality Recap along with Allie and Anton from Love is Blind.
So lots of Love is Blind coverage.

Speaker 1 Also, we had Shannon to talk about the finale, that messy, messy finale. You know, spoil alert, in case, you know, go back and listen to the full Jordan and Megan episode.

Speaker 1 But what I thought was really interesting, maybe that was out before, but they said that they were

Speaker 1 number 12th on their list. Like when they were in

Speaker 3 first day.

Speaker 1 Whatever the the fuck doesn't matter. Which was, it brought, we had a friend come over yesterday.

Speaker 1 And this friend was like, I'm supposed to go on a date tonight. And it was, I guess it was the second date.
And she was like, I don't know.

Speaker 1 Should I go? Should I not go? He was fine. You know, fine.
I guess he had a good time. Apparently, his profession was like not glamorous.

Speaker 3 It just wasn't like long-term career goals, you know, there was a job.

Speaker 1 She was titled here and there, fine, as we all do,

Speaker 3 but she was being intentional because she's like, I'm dating to marry. I'm not dating to date.

Speaker 1 Well, I don't know what that meant. Okay.

Speaker 3 You don't know what that means?

Speaker 1 Well, no, I know what that means, but my point of bringing it up is like our friend used the I'm dating intentional to get married.

Speaker 1 And it was like, but like, what, because you didn't like fall in love on the first date? Like, you're like a little like, I can't go on a second date. Well, here we had Sparkle Megan and Jordan.

Speaker 1 And I know they didn't end up together. And I'm curious what you guys think think if you haven't listened to the episode.
But for those who did, like, listen, they could have gotten together.

Speaker 1 I think they could have been happy together. I don't think maybe they were each other's person, but like, there clearly was some compatibility there.
You know, they met in a weird situation, whatever.

Speaker 1 I think they're both going to be happy without each other. But, like, they're for them to come on the couch and have that episode, and there's clearly a mutual respect.

Speaker 1 I think they like they found like a real connection there.

Speaker 1 And I just think it, like, they're, they're proof that, like, we dating now is just like we go on one date.

Speaker 1 we're just like i don't know you're gonna knock me off my feet like i don't know like do i want to go on a second do i want to take the time to get to know this person it's just like that you're not gonna you know it's crazy you know you're not gonna find your person i was like 20th on your list when we started talking there you go

Speaker 1 you know she had to climb the charts

Speaker 3 do you think that like the whole like buzzword conversation with non-negotiables has kind of gone like overboard because now we're like there's certain things that we won't negotiate on in relationships where i'm like

Speaker 1 we've all used all like the internet has made us stupider, and like we're all using a bunch of words that don't really have it to me, you know.

Speaker 1 Like, to your point, like, everyone's dated a narcissistic, gaslighting ex these days.

Speaker 1 Yes, you know, just imagine, you know, for all the people who are out there being like, imagine what people are saying about you. Yeah,

Speaker 1 you know, don't lie to me about that. That brat root.
Don't like to know.

Speaker 1 Someone has been like, that Mary?

Speaker 1 Gaslighter.

Speaker 4 Probably.

Speaker 1 Definitely. I didn't know that.
100%.

Speaker 1 And you know what?

Speaker 4 That's not true.

Speaker 1 They're also liars.

Speaker 4 I think they're a liar.

Speaker 1 But I thought Jordan and Megan

Speaker 1 reminded us that

Speaker 1 we got to get to know people. You have to go on a few fucking dates.

Speaker 1 Unless

Speaker 3 having a boyfriend's uncool.

Speaker 1 Right. Let's talk about that.

Speaker 3 Exactly. I've been seeing a lot about this article, the Vogue article.
Having a boyfriend's kind of uncool. And it's honestly

Speaker 1 lonely. I was about to say, was it written by a woman single? Or

Speaker 3 for some, for someone who hasn't seen this article, what do you mean?

Speaker 3 So I guess the essence of this article is basically that dating a man or marrying a man used to be like a symbol of like status.

Speaker 3 And like you're an I don't want to say elite, but like a woman that's desirable. And now like men are downgrading women's lives.

Speaker 3 And it's actually like people who are posting content with their boyfriend, they're like, oh, I get less engagement. And like people are like, don't get a boyfriend.
Like, you're too good for him.

Speaker 3 And like, it's, I think that's kind of the essence of the article is that now women have like status on their own. And it's like, you don't need someone to, you know,

Speaker 1 battle. Well, this is so

Speaker 1 sad.

Speaker 3 No, it's so interesting because I just clicked on the article and the first like couple sentences is actually something that like Nick and I have talked about before.

Speaker 3 It says, if someone so much as says, my boyfriend on social media, they're muted.

Speaker 3 There's nothing I hate more than following someone for fun, only for their content to become my boyfriendified suddenly.

Speaker 1 This went this makes you so sad because this whole post is about status. I guess I don't know if it's your aesthetic and engagement.
Yeah. And it's like, okay, sure.

Speaker 1 Like, I don't think the boyfriends care. I think it's more like you're helping them get more likes.

Speaker 4 Well, outside of that, I think what the core of this is, is just

Speaker 1 what are,

Speaker 4 and this is obviously, I think this article was very like general. Like, to get engagement, I think it was very general.

Speaker 4 And I think this is a thing, but in a way more like smaller vacuum of just, Nick, you love to call men losers, right?

Speaker 1 I like to what?

Speaker 4 You like to call men losers.

Speaker 1 There are losers out there. I think it's tough.

Speaker 1 I think a lot of people are losers. Yeah, I think this is.
It's not exclusive to gender. It's not, it's not.

Speaker 4 I think in this article's case, though, I think what the concept is, is like these really, really great women dating these guys and being okay with date, like these women being okay with dating losers.

Speaker 1 These women sound so aggressive.

Speaker 4 I mean, you know what I mean? It's like, you know, when like your girlie.

Speaker 1 i listen it just i to me it makes me sad for people because like i don't care who you it's you know like what again this the the premise of this article is about your status and fine like i'm glad that like people are finding meaning in life outside of exclusively who their their partners are whoever you want to be with like our friend who came over you know she's like i just want to like i just want to be alone tonight and like watch a movie it's like great but like you have the rest of your life to be alone oh simultaneously she's like

Speaker 1 simultaneously simultaneously she's like all i want is to be a mom and to like get married and like that's her journey like that's not for everyone but whether you want to get get married or be a mom or or date a tree but like life is just better when you have someone to share it with whether it's a friend or a relative or a partner like this fact that like people are selling a a lie which is like all you need is like your status on instagram or like you like that's that's a lonely feeling it's kind of interesting that this article came out the same time that like the most recent episode of Real Housewives of Potomac came out because it was kind of that I felt like that episode was kind of centered around Angel and how she like always talks about Bobby her husband yeah in kind of ways that like yeah whether like we want to get to know you angel and not like always hear you talk about Bobby which that's fine but for the people who do like find joy and who like their life that they share it with I don't think we have to like I can listen we all have had that friend right where they date someone new and the next thing you know it's just like we fucking get it you're in love like where they're projecting yeah and like like that is annoying you know making a boyfriend your personality

Speaker 3 i think that's what it is i think also what i think from this article is like my honest opinion is like anyone that this article influences to not date or to be like, oh, it's actually uncool.

Speaker 3 Like if that's actually influencing you, then like you probably are a loser to begin with. Like that's my perspective where I'm like, if you're so influenced by this vogue article, like

Speaker 3 you probably are weird anyways.

Speaker 1 It's not just the article, though.

Speaker 3 Right.

Speaker 3 The discourse, the culture around it.

Speaker 3 But I also think that anybody that is like truly trying to find somebody, truly wants companionship, they're not going to read this article and be like, oh, well, now I can't have a boyfriend because it's going to like plunge engagement or whatever.

Speaker 3 Like, I don't think it's going to like actually affect.

Speaker 3 Also, I think maybe I'm saying that because like I am obsessed when I'm in a relationship. So like, I don't, I don't want to like succumb to this, I think.

Speaker 1 Well, I just kind of like that conversation I had with our friend yesterday. I don't think it's like one article where you're like, you know what? I need to change my life.

Speaker 1 But I do think the overall discourse online is for men and women, like basically saying, I get it. Like, you know, we talk about this all the time.

Speaker 1 Like, when it's important to feel comfortable when you're single. It's important to like find yourself when you don't have someone.

Speaker 1 It's important to like take pride in all the things that you do in your life. But it's okay to say, I want to

Speaker 1 build my community. I want to have my family, whether it's more of a traditional family or whether it's untraditional, whatever it is, you know, because we want to have our people to grow old with.

Speaker 1 I know. And like when our friend was just like, like, we need to get outside.
People are not getting outside. They're like, you know, doom scrolling.
And we're, there's just too many excuses to like.

Speaker 1 flake on the date, to not go out, to not get yourself out there. And we're just like staying inside waiting for miracles to happen online or on first dates.

Speaker 1 And like, that is why there's just a lot of lonely people out there. Like, you have to take some risk.

Speaker 4 My honest take on this is having a boyfriend is embarrassing.

Speaker 1 You should be like Kyle Richards and date a woman. Okay, okay, that's fair.

Speaker 3 I will say this is just like a funny, you guys mentioning like. somebody being ranked somewhere like Sparkle Megan and Jordan.

Speaker 3 I think I was like closer to 10 than I was to one for Clayton on night one of The Bachelor. So I do think there is something to like giving people more time to get to know you.
Cause I think that.

Speaker 3 Was that a conversation y'all had of like, where did you? Yeah. Oh, I wanted to know everything.
I was just like, I was so curious. I was like, who was his number

Speaker 1 on night one? It was Teddy.

Speaker 3 I think that's who he gave his first impression was to, yeah.

Speaker 1 But yeah, I think it was

Speaker 3 closer to 10 than one. So, and he

Speaker 3 took me. So that is crazy.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 You can't.

Speaker 3 I think you got to give more than one date unless there's like a giant red flag of like, you know, I want kids, they don't.

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Speaker 1 Well, in a story that maybe only I care about these days, Justin Bildoni took an L in the court system recently.

Speaker 1 Well, he

Speaker 3 L basically, because did he like technically lose or was he just like not

Speaker 1 an expert here, haven't really paying like super close attention. So like, I don't know, like, I'm not a lawyer.
I'm not, I'm not Emily D.

Speaker 3 Baker. I'm not Emily D.

Speaker 1 Baker, but I believe that the like the judge originally said, like, you don't have enough here.

Speaker 4 He procrastinated on his homework and didn't get his work.

Speaker 1 Like, you just, we're going to dismiss that.

Speaker 1 It got dismissed.

Speaker 3 He had like a deadline, right?

Speaker 1 But then they had a deadline to resubmit the claim if they actually had

Speaker 1 evidence or like actual things that made it like less, you know, you know, they didn't have enough, so they dismissed it.

Speaker 3 This was the second deadline, like to resubmit, or there is still a second deadline.

Speaker 1 Is there no, it's all over there. Oh, yeah, it's done.
Okay. So, and they were like, no, we're totally going to do it.
Like, oh my God, we got all this stuff.

Speaker 1 We just didn't like, we haven't gotten around to it yet. And then the deadline has passed.
And so, which to me would, again, further

Speaker 1 show what I've always suspected, that, you know, this was just his team trying to win in the court of public opinion and very much like fight the fight online and continue to harass Blake and her team.

Speaker 1 But like,

Speaker 1 it seems like behind the scenes, things are getting brighter and better for Team Blake when it comes to

Speaker 3 the case is like Lisa Barlow dismissed, or are we still having that like May 2026 remarks?

Speaker 1 As far as this particular case, where it's justin sued Blake Lively for $400 million, that is

Speaker 1 done.

Speaker 1 Done. Dismissed.

Speaker 1 I mean, I guess he could file a different claim, I guess.

Speaker 3 He could have a $400 million defamation, extortion, and defamation lawsuit against Blake and Ryan. And it's officially been shut down after he missed.

Speaker 3 They failed to respond to an October 17th order asking why final judgment shouldn't be entered, prompting the court to formally close the case.

Speaker 1 See, I would say that like when they filed it, it was just like in a retaliatory claim to like distract from the actual claim, which is Blake accusing Justin of inappropriate behavior at the workplace and the online harassment and the PR campaign that his team, which I think there's, it seems to be a lot of evidence on, and this was more of a tactic to

Speaker 1 paint himself as the victim.

Speaker 3 Everyone that he sued, right, that all of that has been he sued.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the New York Times, it got dropped, they're counter-suing. He's taking a lot of L's right now that you're not really hearing about, which is fascinating.

Speaker 1 It's almost as if it's almost as if he has

Speaker 4 power on the internet.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the PR campaign really doing

Speaker 1 his work. Anyway, well shit.
I told you so.

Speaker 1 Speaking of

Speaker 1 Millie Bobby Brown's story, crazy.

Speaker 4 Crazy. David Harbor, evil, slimy, creep.

Speaker 1 I don't know the lore of him, but from the tone of it, yeah, I was was going to say it sounds weird.

Speaker 1 Well, the fact that, like, she felt compelled to file a bully harassment claim before they even filmed season five, which credit to her, like, pop off.

Speaker 1 Like, very scary, as we now know, again, back to the Blake and Justin, like, especially for any victim, and especially for women in a workplace, it can be very scary to come forward to say, I feel uncomfortable, this person's making me feel uncomfortable because so often there's a lot of retaliatory

Speaker 1 response to this, or like, you know, making making them sound crazy or like they're the problem. So credit to Millie Bobby Brown for coming forward.

Speaker 1 But then you like, yeah, if you find out the lore about this David guy. Yeah.

Speaker 3 He's currently getting divorced from Lily Allen, right?

Speaker 4 Yes. And Lily Allen scathing album.
Yeah. About this man.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 1 There's just like a lot of darkness around this guy.

Speaker 5 The Lily Allen album, too, is crazy because she talks about how he forced her into an open relationship. Yes.
And how he like pushed all these insecurities on her.

Speaker 5 And then eventually he just ended the relationship, the marriage, ended the marriage.

Speaker 5 and she talks about how there's like other women and like mistresses named like Madeline like oh my goodness I need to listen to that segue to the Jennifer Lawrence interview she did an interview with

Speaker 1 listen like again we're not a political show I really appreciated Jennifer Lawrence talking about this she was basically like we now know regardless of what side you like but like the celebrity endorsement is useless and yet so many celebrities are like pressured into giving their political commentary on topics that like maybe they're not even that well versed, only to like, honestly bring a lot of like heat and criticism and

Speaker 1 trolling in their direction that only causes them like, it just kind of hurts, well, it's bad for their mental health and it hurts them and, you know, it alienates half of their audience.

Speaker 1 And she just talked about like, I want to do things that, you know, bring people together. We live in a divisive time.

Speaker 1 I thought it was just a really like nice interview to just talk about inclusivity rather than exclusivity. And then she wants to focus on topics and themes that are like, are welcoming to all people?

Speaker 1 And because like, I think we're now finally recognizing that like being,

Speaker 1 you know, saying we live in divisive times and then continuing to be divisive isn't the answer.

Speaker 4 Yeah. What she also said in that interview that I thought was really interesting was like, she basically was saying that she didn't want her.

Speaker 4 personal opinions to keep people from engaging her with her work that she's choosing because they reflect a lot of her opinions right like the art the pieces that she's choosing to do is what she believes in and she's like i think it's worth a lot more to like have this like

Speaker 4 like let's say like whatever movie she's in that reflects like ideas that she's really passionate about she wants that to be her statement on it versus like her words which i like that part of it i think is really cool and i also think there's a difference between like artists and actors who like are activists because i think there is overlap a lot of the time and i think those people are in a different sort of like space than your actor who's like like what you were saying kind of just like endorsing for endorsement sake versus the people that like that is very much what they're passionate about and what their art like is about so i think there's a difference and i yeah i think it's like a really interesting conversation that she opened up i do too i also think that so often like the bridge for people is just like compassion and understanding and really that's just like getting to know somebody and especially for an actor if you're playing a part of somebody that, you know, you feel passionate about the topic of whatever the movie is about, it's like somebody's going to fall in love with your character and have compassion for people that that character is representing.

Speaker 3 So it really makes so much sense. And I actually love, I appreciate what she said to an extent.
I think it's like a really great way to look at it.

Speaker 3 And I think also like there is this pressure to like advocate and speak and talk.

Speaker 3 And like there are things that I'm super passionate about, but if I do talk about it, I do feel like it just alienates so many people. And I'm like, it just becomes an echo chamber.

Speaker 3 Speaking of celebrities, did y'all see that Tom Brady revealed that his current dog, Junior is a clone of his late dog, Lua, who died in December of 2023.

Speaker 3 He like is an, he's an investor in this company, Colossal Biosciences, and he basically worked with this company for a second chance with a clone of their beloved dog.

Speaker 1 That's crazy.

Speaker 3 Crazy.

Speaker 1 Like Jeff sometimes sleeps on my head.

Speaker 3 Does it work in humans, you think?

Speaker 1 Like if I die, I'm sure

Speaker 1 not.

Speaker 3 I'm sure they're working towards it.

Speaker 1 I would think that clone Jeff might like rip my neck out in the middle of the night.

Speaker 1 It's just a getting a horror story. Right.

Speaker 3 Because the memories aren't there, just the biology, right? Yeah. And then like, what if they're like

Speaker 1 something hits a little different and then they're like, would you clone me or would you like go for like something new? You know what? I think like our time would be done.

Speaker 4 I think that's, I think clones take away. That is the thing of like with people and with pets.

Speaker 4 It's like the time you get to spend together because it's limited is what makes it so special and so it's like do you think he also have a couple clones of giselle just like in his house that he doesn't let leave

Speaker 3 that's terrifying but i do think that's it without a voice like she's just no 100 she can't speak yeah but it's like it's hard yeah but also it makes me feel kind of sad i'm like i think i i get that like loving a dog so much that you're like oh i want to have this dog forever but it's just i don't know but i'm like it's just never gonna be the same it's unnatural but i try it yeah if i could clone my disgusting like dog

Speaker 1 Give me 14 of them. Love it.

Speaker 3 Well, apparently they also previously cloned Paris Hilton's dog and Barbara Streisand's dog. So like this is a celebrity.

Speaker 1 Be a celebrity dog.

Speaker 4 Tom Brady is in the diva.

Speaker 3 15 successful cloned species.

Speaker 1 Make it 17.

Speaker 3 Including the black-footed ferret and

Speaker 3 Presoclies, someone's horse.

Speaker 1 You know what they should do?

Speaker 1 When they make clones of people.

Speaker 1 if for no other reason, you should have to hang out with your clone.

Speaker 1 Like locked in a room.

Speaker 1 And just to be like,

Speaker 1 just so most, so just so everyone can realize how insufferable they are.

Speaker 3 I'm going to say, haven't you seen the movie Us?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Thank you.
You know?

Speaker 3 I think I'm a narcissist because I'm like, I would love that. I think it'd just be so interesting.
You're like, can you turn around so I can see what the back of your hair is?

Speaker 4 No, literally. I'd be like, bend over, jump up and down.

Speaker 3 I'm going to see how everything works.

Speaker 4 Yeah, me, clone, clone Mary.

Speaker 1 Let me see see the next shot.

Speaker 1 Could you imagine clone Nick arguing with Nick?

Speaker 1 It would be never ending.

Speaker 3 We'd come back two days later. I'm like, you guys have it.

Speaker 1 There's a logo doing a going deeper. Always right, never wrong meet.

Speaker 3 You're both interrupting each other.

Speaker 1 I'm so likable.

Speaker 4 We would just get bored of talking and be like, do you want to just like smoke weed and watch Mad Men? And then we would do that for like six hours and then we would be cool.

Speaker 4 But I think the conversation, we would both get really annoyed with each other.

Speaker 1 And celebrity drama only maybe I care about. Daniel Day-Lewis says Brian Cox has dragged him into a debate that he didn't want to be a part of.

Speaker 1 Am I the only one who knows who these people are on the show?

Speaker 4 I know who both of them are.

Speaker 1 Okay. Daniel Day-Lewis, many people think he's the greatest actor of our time.
Famously, you know, when it comes to method acting, he was probably the person he really put method acting on the map.

Speaker 1 Put a face to it. Put a face to it.
Brian Cox, also,

Speaker 1 he plays the dad in succession. Succession.
Oh, okay, okay. I guess he's doing a lot of good stuff.
Oh, I thought you were.

Speaker 3 He was the dad in the ring of Samara. Samara.

Speaker 1 He wasn't the dad in the ring.

Speaker 3 The guy's name in Breaking Bad.

Speaker 1 Brian Crownston. Oh, gotcha.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Different, but kind of the same.
Both named Brian.

Speaker 3 Both C-last names.

Speaker 1 Brian Cox has apparently had said some things about his opinion of method acting. Jeremy Strong, who is his co-star in Succession, also famously known as a method actor.

Speaker 1 And method acting, I guess, in some spaces gets criticisms because I imagine it can be obnoxious. Like Like Jared Leto.

Speaker 3 Yes, I know. Right?

Speaker 1 Like, I think some method actors use it as an excuse to just kind of be

Speaker 1 an asshole on set and kind of troll their cold stars. They're just like, whoa, Joker.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Wasn't he like leaving dead animals in their cradle or something?

Speaker 1 Okay, that's too far.

Speaker 4 He's a Joker. Did you guys ever watch that documentary when Jim Carrey was Andy Kaufman in the movie in a movie? And then they made a documentary about Jim Carrey going full method as Andy Kaufman.

Speaker 4 It's like freaky. It's really cool.

Speaker 1 Is it a horror?

Speaker 4 No. It's documentary.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but, you know, again, listen, various opinions about it, but like Daniel Day-Lewis, it's really part of his process, his craft. He takes it seriously, yada, yada.

Speaker 1 And he goes, Brian Cox is a very fine actor who's done extraordinary work. As a result, he's been giving a soapbox, which he shows no sign of climbing down from.

Speaker 1 What a dig.

Speaker 1 Anytime he wants to talk about it, I'm easy to find. This is like, this is like Jennifer Lawrence and Emma Stone fighting online about their acting process.

Speaker 1 It's awesome.

Speaker 1 It's awesome. And how eloquently he threw shade.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like a couple old men being drama queens I'm living for. Apparently, he has a soapbox.

Speaker 4 There should be like a housewise version of just like very serious, very intelligent, talented old men.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 4 Just being like,

Speaker 4 I disagree. And if you would like to climb down off of your soapbox, sir.

Speaker 1 If he wants to talk about it, I'm easy to find. He wants to meet in the alley.

Speaker 4 The thing is, like, that is basically what Conclave was as an entire movie. Was just a bunch of old diva men being like, hmm, I do not know if you are as talented as you think you are.

Speaker 3 Well, really quickly, continuing on with some celebrity drama, we had Whitney Levitt last night on Dancing with the Stars.

Speaker 3 Obviously, Jen got eliminated last week, and this week, Whitney was kind of asked about the feud that's been kind of speculated between the two of them because there was like a so maybe an alleged smirk that Whitney gave after Jen was eliminated.

Speaker 3 Some online feud started, and then Whitney was asked about it. Ooh, what'd she say?

Speaker 1 She

Speaker 3 said this.

Speaker 3 This was her response to being like, hey, your mom talks sister. Looks like there's a feud.
Is everything good?

Speaker 6 I'm trying not to focus on that. Just trying to focus on all the people that are supporting us because I'm so grateful for them.
Like, it motivates us. It keeps us going.
So thank you.

Speaker 1 Perfect.

Speaker 1 Perfect.

Speaker 1 I have a Twitter buddy who we only talk Packers. Shout out Jake from, I think he lives in Lake North Dakota.
I don't know. We've never met in person.

Speaker 4 I love pen pal. Oh my God, you have a mutual?

Speaker 1 It's his pen palette. It's like his pen palette.
Yeah, so nice, actually.

Speaker 1 That's really wholesome. We text about the Packers.
Anyways, he texted me yesterday. He's like, watching Dancing with the Stars.

Speaker 1 He's like, that Whitney, really good dancer. Seems like a terrible person.

Speaker 1 Whoa.

Speaker 1 I didn't respond.

Speaker 3 Nick did not feed into it. You're like,

Speaker 4 buddy, we want her on the show.

Speaker 1 We love her.

Speaker 3 That is interesting that that's her response.

Speaker 3 I will say it it is kind of crazy because I was like, her going on dancing with the stars has been like rewriting her reputation from Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.

Speaker 3 And then that one moment of Jen getting eliminated and her looking happy about it was just like, and then she was at the bottom three this week.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, I think Whitney was?

Speaker 3 Yeah, Whitney was at the bottom three.

Speaker 1 It'll get just. She's an excellent dancer.
Listen, I know people thought I was hard on her at the reunion.

Speaker 1 I love Whitney as a she, she mesmerized her. I love her.
She's a crazy

Speaker 1 brother.

Speaker 1 Her facial reactions, I'm obsessed with her tick tocks her commitment to the bit yeah and she can never get out of her own way she just can't i mean that's like what an amazing response to that question

Speaker 3 you know i'm trying not to focus on it i love everyone who's supporting me

Speaker 1 all she had to say was

Speaker 3 Jen, like, Jen was a great dancer and did such a great job. It was so sad to see her leave so soon.

Speaker 1 Even if you, yeah, you're like, oh, that's so silly. We love each other.
Yeah. Yeah.
But why would she? We're mom talk.

Speaker 3 We're mom talk sisters. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, and I'm not really focusing on that right now.

Speaker 1 Who else was in the bottom three? I watched all all the dances. I didn't see the results.
I know that Danielle Fisher went home.

Speaker 3 It was Danielle, Andy Richter, and Whitney.

Speaker 1 Love that Andy was Danielle Fisher. I love that he's still going through.

Speaker 3 I think it was humbling because I feel like it's one of those things where, you know, she's thinking she's on the up.

Speaker 3 She keeps winning and everybody doesn't really understand why she gets the best scores every week.

Speaker 1 Best scores every week. Yeah.
And

Speaker 1 it's not a good thing.

Speaker 3 And the fact that she's doing better than like some people that we like Jordan, a lot of people feel the last couple of weeks has been short, shorted shorted by her scores.

Speaker 3 Whitney's last two dances, it just didn't really hit the way that some of the best ones that she's done already.

Speaker 3 And I'm like, Alex, consistently great.

Speaker 3 Dylan, growing.

Speaker 1 Robert Irwin and Whitney, crying. Listen, I have, I probably have a little bit of Whitney inside me, you know, where I think Whitney is a perfectionist.
She's a hard worker. She is a grinder.

Speaker 1 She will always bet on herself. She, she will never, if there's some, if, if she can control the outcome, you can count on her to do it.

Speaker 1 But like, like she has a hard time showing vulnerability she she's she's it's just she's you don't want to root for yeah you know because she's so because she's so good at rooting for herself yeah maybe that's it yeah like you don't need fans because you are your number one quick who's our who's your top three i'm still gonna say uh dylan top three or there's like six left i know Alex, Alex, Dylan, and Rob.

Speaker 1 And Dylan, yeah.

Speaker 3 Oh my gosh, it's so hard to do three. Because I feel like Whitney could be in it, but I'm the same and Whitney's my swing.
I'm between Alex and Rob for first.

Speaker 1 Sorry, Dylan. Well, we'll find out in a few weeks.
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Speaker 1 Joe, welcome to the show.

Speaker 7 How's it going? Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 Good to be with you. Thanks for thanks for joining us.
First of all, mustache looks great.

Speaker 7 Hey, I appreciate it. I'm getting mixed reviews, but I'm keeping it.

Speaker 1 Fuck them. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Also, it seems like you got a little apartment upgrade because on the show, you were like living out of a truly just a real box.

Speaker 7 No, that was an Airbnb, according to the internet. internet.
So

Speaker 7 yeah, no, it was, that was my place, and it was a shoebox. Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know. It was, it didn't look great.

Speaker 1 Yeah, why would you Airbnb that?

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's got to be. No offense.

Speaker 7 No offense taken. Yeah, I had bars on the windows.
I barely fit into the bathroom. I was actually sleeping on my friend's couch like nine months or, well, probably six months before that.

Speaker 7 And he's like, hey, are you going to go get a place? I was like, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 7 I get what you're trying to tell me right now and leave my apartment. And uh, so I went and got that place because it was very cheap and I didn't know where I wanted to be.

Speaker 7 And it was just a nine-month lease, and thank God I'm out of there. But yeah, this is uh my apartment now.

Speaker 1 Okay, cool, it looks good. High rise, yeah, it looks good.
Well, Joe,

Speaker 1 before we get into everything, I just want to say I enjoyed you this season. I found you to be humorous and fun, and we certainly had some fun at your expense.

Speaker 1 Uh, I hope that's okay, but we all things considered, you really were entertaining, and uh, thanks for being a part of a fun season.

Speaker 7 Hey, you know,

Speaker 7 find some enjoyment out of the,

Speaker 7 you know, some of the shit I did on there. You know, the shit show that was season nine.

Speaker 1 It's all good. It's all good.
First question, why? Is your girlfriend still doing podcasts?

Speaker 7 My girlfriend? No. She did one.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 7 And that was a no-go.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 did she run that by you?

Speaker 7 Yeah, they reached out to her independently. And I was like, you know, do what you want.
I'm not going to say yes or no, but I really should have said no. Yeah.

Speaker 7 And yeah, I was, yeah, I probably should have done it differently, but you know, you can't, can't go back.

Speaker 1 You live and you learn. But what was,

Speaker 1 was there a fallout from that interview? Like, why, I mean, I would love to hear your perspective on why you think you should have said no.

Speaker 7 Just to stay probably in the good graces of certain media companies, I would say. But

Speaker 1 yeah, of course. Yes.

Speaker 7 And no fallout, I would say,

Speaker 7 with anybody that she talked about on there. But yeah it probably just wasn't a smart idea and I would have done it differently

Speaker 7 looking back now was she at the reunion she was not no I I took both of my sisters and and so I think I only got two tickets and my sisters were were gonna be there and I also didn't want to subject her to that because I knew what was going to go down and I also wanted to be in high spirits after so um and not have to I don't want to say feel the rap because she wouldn't have made me feel any certain way after but I just know that that probably would have got under her skin so throughout the season you seemed um incoherent

Speaker 1 well honestly it just like

Speaker 1 the running joke on all these shows whether it's love is blind or the bachelor or whatever these kind of crazy experiments that people sign up for which is Like, you know, what you signed up for, which, you know, we can get in the weeds of whether that's true or not, but you truly looked like you found out after the pods that like you're supposed to marry this person

Speaker 1 and you were like, you know, like as if they kidnapped you, which, you know, for all the internet people, that's not what they do. But you, you were like, marriage?

Speaker 1 Like, you were like, did it, at what point did it, like, did it really dawn on you that like the expectation is to potentially get married to Madison?

Speaker 7 Yeah, I mean, it dawned on me throughout the whole, throughout the whole show. I mean, I knew what I was signing up for.
Maybe it didn't look like that, but

Speaker 7 it just, it was wild to me when they said three weeks. And I was like, oh, three weeks.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 Let's see if we can get there in that amount of time. And at that point, it was swirling in my head.

Speaker 1 Six weeks was more palpable at the time.

Speaker 1 Yeah, six and a half. It would have been fine.

Speaker 3 And how do you feel now that you're, I would assume, not drunk right now, sober?

Speaker 7 What time is it? You assumed wrong.

Speaker 4 He's like, excuse me, I have to throw up.

Speaker 7 This is when I start.

Speaker 3 What is your opinion right now of Nick?

Speaker 7 Of Nick? I like Nick. Honestly.

Speaker 7 Yeah, you know, my bad on that one. That was, I let the drunk thoughts win, and they won big time.
But I have no ill will towards Nick.

Speaker 7 He is, I think he has a good heart, sometimes a little misunderstood. And

Speaker 7 was kind of a crummy thing of me to say at the time because I wouldn't want to watch it back and see somebody else talking about me on there.

Speaker 7 But he's, you know, he's a unique guy, and i think he is um a decent person oh well that's kind of oh that wasn't

Speaker 3 he's somebody's guy not my guy

Speaker 7 he's yeah he's a guy

Speaker 1 i like nick i yeah a big part of anton's storyline was his drinking uh who drinks more you or him or any

Speaker 7 i actually won't Damn it, you guys got me.

Speaker 7 Probably, unfortunately, me. I don't, I don't know.
I've never seen Anton get a little crazy. My thing is, I just don't want to stop, right?

Speaker 7 And that's, I probably shouldn't say that, but I always want the good time to keep on going, but I've, I've laid off a little bit and it doesn't help.

Speaker 7 I, I work two nights a week at a bar as well for, for, uh, and that doesn't help at all.

Speaker 3 So going back to Baja, where we saw you get absolutely hammered for the first time, I think Nick and I were very much like, this dude is hammered.

Speaker 3 Like, this is not the time to have this conversation with him, Madison. Maybe

Speaker 1 just say you're drunk. I'm drunk.

Speaker 7 She knew I was drunk too. And I was like, Yeah, I'm hammered.
I'm going back. I don't think that got in there.
But

Speaker 7 obviously, I think everybody knew I was drunk. And yeah, I had about four hours to sleep it off, but I was in a different dimension when I woke up.
And I don't know if I've ever been.

Speaker 7 Actually, I have been to Mexico before, and that happens every time. So I don't know why I would try to lie to you guys.

Speaker 1 That's not true.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I mean, but now it's just on camera, right?

Speaker 7 And it's a new experience where there's cameras around you and you're you're engaged to somebody that you just uh met a week and a half ago so uh there was a lot uh playing into it the dynamic was different and yeah i should have i i wish i could have just been sleeping to be honest was that part of your reaction when you when she woke you up and you kind of woke up and then saw all the cameras and the boom operator and like is that a little bit why you acted the way you did or were you just like there yeah i'm sure I'm sure.

Speaker 7 They actually came in once before that that wasn't on camera and woke me up. And I think I was just like saying nonsense.
I mean, I barely remember that.

Speaker 7 That might have not even happened, but I'm pretty sure it did. And then the second time they came in, which was, you know, I needed some food.
That was my deal.

Speaker 7 Like I woke up and I think tensions were a little high. She wanted for me to come over and comfort her.
And I was just not even in my right mind to comfort myself.

Speaker 7 So it was not a great look, I would say. But yeah, I just wish I was sleeping during that.

Speaker 3 Has your girlfriend watched the season back or she stayed away from it? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 7 Oh, she did. She watched it all.

Speaker 1 Was she a fan before you guys met? Of me? Oh, no.

Speaker 7 Of the show. Was she a fan of the show? I think she might have watched a couple seasons.
I don't know if she was a huge fan, but yeah.

Speaker 1 Wow. Okay.

Speaker 1 When you and Madison broke up and she was on the floor crying,

Speaker 1 I really appreciated that scene because I just thought it was really honest in the sense that like when when you know, you know, and you knew that you wanted out of that relationship.

Speaker 1 And I really wanted a camera on you after you got into the hallway because she's on the floor crying. And I imagined you like jumping up and being like,

Speaker 1 I'm free.

Speaker 7 You thought I was skipping out of there?

Speaker 1 Yeah, and again, this is not. No, this is not against Madison.
It's just more like you clearly like wanted out of that situation.

Speaker 1 And you, I couldn't help but think that you probably had a big sigh of relief. Take us into that hallway.
What was What was that really like?

Speaker 7 Oh, well, we had to go do interviews after that. And I think they asked me a thousand different ways of, you know, what was it? Why was it? And I don't understand

Speaker 7 nowadays. It's like, do you need, you don't need a reason.
Like if somebody told me, hey, this isn't it, you know, you're not my person. We don't match on this, this, this, and this.

Speaker 7 I would leave it at that. Right.
And so I think, you know, a little bit, even at the reunion, it's like, well, well, what was it? Help me out here.

Speaker 7 You know, I just can't, I, I, I don't, it's, it just wasn't it, right? And so there are certain things like, I don't think our personality is really meshed.

Speaker 7 I think our communication was, was terrible. And I, I take responsibility for a lot of that as well.
And,

Speaker 7 you know, I've said sorry 500 different ways, but it's, that's it. And the long and the short of it is I don't really think that I can say anything more that would be much of much use or help anybody.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, you're totally right. I mean, I did happen to write about this in my book.
Don't text your ex, happy birthday, shameless plug.

Speaker 1 But no, when people want closure, it's just basically like them asking you for like more reasons why you don't fuck with them or like why you don't like them.

Speaker 1 It's like you're asking the person to like shit on you.

Speaker 3 Right. It's really painful for them.

Speaker 1 What is it? Tell me why there's a lot of hard time.

Speaker 1 I hate the way you dress. I don't like, ah, you know, and you don't want to say that.
You don't, you just want to be like, listen, it's just.

Speaker 3 Not working. Let me go in peace.

Speaker 1 It's me. Yeah.

Speaker 7 That's the thing, too. I mean,

Speaker 7 you know, we kind of had a talk after.

Speaker 7 And that's where, you know, ended up making out. Definitely should not have done that.
I think it was in the moment. It was familiar.
There was still some feelings there.

Speaker 7 And I left, but I knew it wasn't that. And then, you know, I ran into her two weeks later at another party.
And she said,

Speaker 7 hey, I think it was just the cameras. I think it's this.
I think it's that. I think it was just the awkwardness and you were nervous.
And that's her go-to line. Like, I think it's just the cameras.

Speaker 7 that happened, that happened a lot on the show. And then after the fact as well.
And I just was trying to relay that it's not. I just, this isn't going to work between us no matter how hard we try.

Speaker 3 Well, all y'all did was fight and fuck. So

Speaker 1 who instigated that kiss?

Speaker 7 That was, oh, that was probably

Speaker 1 me. Who went 90? I mean, yeah, I mean, like, we did, we went and talked.

Speaker 7 We went and talked it out. And it was, it was not a great talk by any means, I would say.
And then, you know, walked her to her car and

Speaker 7 damn it i shouldn't have done laid it on

Speaker 3 it was probably me yeah yeah i can see how that's a little confusing

Speaker 1 you love bombed her you you love bomb

Speaker 7 i mean getting close i i'm kidding i'm kidding it was like a moment of weakness in that in that point of time and then i think it's allowed it's did you go into reunion uh knowing that you and casey's fling would be chit-chatted about oh yeah yeah everybody knew about that that you know from the two two months after the fact that we kind of got together every everybody knew about that and i think madison had that talk with casey uh at mike's pool party and it was uh god that was a rough one too so why was casey crying at the party at the party i think she was hammered um yeah she was she was drunk everybody was drunk there and so um Denver.

Speaker 3 Altitude.

Speaker 7 You know, it's a little bit of reprieve, right everybody's getting together and so everybody wants to have fun and and she was crying and you know i know she had some feelings for me too and and that was something that i also knew wasn't going to work and um

Speaker 7 yeah i i don't know everybody was kind of getting with everybody after the fact so i and and madison was mad about that right madison was was a little pissed at casey i know she was you know pissed at me i i think she thought um it was inappropriate but i don't feel like i owed her anything after the fact like inappropriate for you guys to date or talk?

Speaker 7 Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was about like a month and a half, I would say, that we were kind of together.
And

Speaker 7 I just didn't feel like I owed her anything.

Speaker 3 So did you date Casey longer than you dated Madison?

Speaker 7 Yeah, I did.

Speaker 3 Madison seems to think that there was a little bit of overlap, was there?

Speaker 7 Overlap in what relationship. Ah, that sounds bad.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 well, you know, if you want to talk about all the overlap, we're here. I'm here.

Speaker 7 Ask me anything. You guys are asking me good questions.

Speaker 1 I love Joe. I love Joe.

Speaker 7 I've been on interviews, which, yeah, which they just asked me the same five questions, and I want to jump off the ninth floor over here.

Speaker 3 Well, specifically, again, ninth floor, that's pretty good.

Speaker 1 That's pretty good.

Speaker 3 Specifically, I guess Madison said at reunion, like the reason that you and her ended is because you and Casey kind of started up something and it kind of distracted your head, I guess, something along those lines.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I don't, I honestly, that was a shock to me because I heard it in interviews before even the reunion. So I knew that was coming, but it was a, it was a huge shock.
I was, um, and you know what?

Speaker 7 No, you know, no, that, that had nothing to do. I was the one that said googly eyes, right? She was like, Joe, you, in your own words, you said googly eyes.
Yeah, I went back and told her that.

Speaker 7 She was across the bar, and I'm sure Casey was being a little too extra-friendly. All the, all the women were that we haven't seen ever.

Speaker 7 They were saying, hey, if this doesn't work out, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 1 And they were saying that to everybody.

Speaker 7 So

Speaker 7 and so I went and told her that because we had a long conversation,

Speaker 7 probably six hours into the night, no sleep. What you see the next day is kind of rehashing it a little bit more.
And so,

Speaker 7 but yeah, I was so surprised at hearing that because I don't know if that's something that made her feel a little bit better or that was the closure she kind of wanted. But,

Speaker 7 you know, whatever helps you sleep at night.

Speaker 3 Which women, which other women kind of confess their love to you?

Speaker 7 No.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 3 Who was the overlap with?

Speaker 7 There's that. No, I mean, I'm just, just, you know, certain people that are like, oh, this is, hey, it's nice meeting you.

Speaker 1 And wink, wink. Wink, wink.

Speaker 1 Are you still wearing boxers?

Speaker 7 Am I wearing boxes right now?

Speaker 1 Yeah, like, why not boxer briefs?

Speaker 7 Those were swim trunks.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. So do you wear boxer briefs?

Speaker 7 No,

Speaker 7 I wear boxer briefs. Yeah, for sure.
But those were, those were definitely swim trunks because I

Speaker 7 like, I'm going to go back and change, right?

Speaker 1 Get in bed. You never know, you know.

Speaker 3 Joe, were you at that party where Brendan and Casey were allegedly

Speaker 7 kind of like? So I wasn't there, right? But Brennan's my good friend, right? I still see him all the time when we work out together.

Speaker 7 I see all the boys all the time.

Speaker 7 Great relationships, but I wasn't there. And then I asked Brennan the fact I wanted to kind of speak up because I never heard about that.
Brendan would have told me about that.

Speaker 7 I would have heard through the grapevine, through other people. And then I asked him about it.
And he was like, no, that never happened.

Speaker 7 That's something that I wouldn't have done or I wouldn't have even been close to. I think Brendan and Casey never had that.

Speaker 7 I just couldn't see it happening, right? But I, but I didn't know. So I didn't want to speak on it at the time.
But Brandon reassured me and he was like, no, that never happened.

Speaker 7 Not that I would care, but

Speaker 7 yeah, it was just a weird thing to pop off. I think they were going after Casey pretty hard on that because

Speaker 7 it's a group of women that don't like her.

Speaker 3 So where do you think Kate got that from? Do you think she pulled it out of her ass?

Speaker 7 I don't know. I don't know, actually.
I can't really, I can't really tell on that. But I mean, I'm going.
I think Kate and

Speaker 7 Brendan even talked about it. And I think Brendan even talked about it with Casey at, because we all went to Mile High

Speaker 7 to watch the reunion back. And I even had a

Speaker 7 conversation with Madison there, too. And she was trying to rehash with me a little bit.
And I just wanted to be anywhere but that conversation.

Speaker 1 When we had Madison on,

Speaker 3 she... Did you watch that interview?

Speaker 7 I watched, yeah, I did watch that interview.

Speaker 1 So you saw her accuse you of

Speaker 1 course. Yeah.
Of being, I guess, the reason that she developed an eating disorder. Yeah.
Do you, what do you think of that? Because obviously that's a very.

Speaker 7 It's heavy.

Speaker 1 It's heavy. It's a heavy accusation.

Speaker 1 Yeah. What do you, what do you think about all that?

Speaker 7 I think

Speaker 7 there again, didn't know about that until I saw it on the biophiles and saw it on other interviews, right? This is nothing that has ever come up and nor did I think she had any insecurities about it.

Speaker 7 That was a conversation we had, right? I did that interview.

Speaker 7 She didn't see that till it came out, but then I came back and, you know, we were talking and I said, more petite women, you know, that's usually what I go for. Should I have said that?

Speaker 7 Probably not, but

Speaker 7 I'm honest to a fault, you know, maybe.

Speaker 1 Were you responding to a question?

Speaker 7 Yeah, I mean, I think we were talking about each other's types and what our

Speaker 7 past relationships looked like and hers looked wildly different than me as well. And so it's not, but but I said that and she goes, oh, okay, but I feel like I reassured her in that moment as well.

Speaker 7 I was like, no, you're beautiful. This is this, this is the person I'm going to try to make this work with.

Speaker 3 Did she say her previous relationships were like super tall, buff, big dick?

Speaker 1 Like

Speaker 7 big dick, yeah, why is she going for me?

Speaker 7 No, that's, no, I mean, she, she, you know, like variety, what she, she said, but that's, that's the fact, too. If she did say, you know, I need a 6'5 guy, I usually date 6'5 guys.

Speaker 7 That's something that's not ever going to bother me.

Speaker 7 And, and just for her to be honest, because that's the whole point of this experiment, right?

Speaker 7 To make that emotional connection and then you try to make it work after the fact with this person that you haven't seen, right?

Speaker 7 I think I reassured her many, many times after the fact that she was beautiful and,

Speaker 7 you know, was going to make it try. But so that never came up ever after that.

Speaker 7 there was no insecurity surrounding about that um are you not into me after that fact nothing so that one sentence gave her an eating disorder which if that's her lived experience if that's hers right she um and and i apologize if that if that is the case but it was incredibly wild for me to hear have you ever had that conversation just the two of you yeah that's that's what it was it was that night in mexico and then we laid it and that was it so i mean like her talking about creating an eating disorder had you ever talked about that have you ever apologized to her if that's the case how could i apologize to her if i didn't know about it until so it was no she and then she came up to me you know at mile high and and um you know we kind of chatted and and she was still still kind of angry about everything and and i was you know we were talking about comments and you know sorry you're getting the ones you're getting and she apologized the ones i'm getting and i said yeah they don't really bother me and she goes well i hope you listen to some of them because of your words and what you said and i go okay.

Speaker 7 Yes, I will. But that was not the case I was making in any shame there.
It's just something I probably just could have kept to myself.

Speaker 7 But if somebody asked me what I went for in the past and what they look like, I'm just going to be flat out honest and honest to a fault. So I did not mean to shame her in that.

Speaker 7 And if that's what she took from it, I am deeply sorry.

Speaker 1 Well, thanks for answering that.

Speaker 7 Yeah, it was a little wild, a little wild.

Speaker 7 So yeah, just interesting to hear a year and a half later and i think you know she said well my phone was always open why didn't you text me about this and apologize i i didn't know about it i didn't know that that was it throughout our whole relationship i didn't know it was just that one conversation yeah i mean you could have been like well now i'm wearing three inch heels

Speaker 7 hey i'm not sure by any means but

Speaker 3 how tall are you like now i have to use a penis

Speaker 7 oh a true six foot a true six foot

Speaker 7 and then when you wear boots you're like six two. So there you go.

Speaker 3 And they live in Colorado, so I feel like probably wear boots a lot.

Speaker 7 Yeah. And I'm also from Montana.
So it's a little part. Like I'm not Billy's Montana.

Speaker 3 Are you a little bit of a cowboy?

Speaker 7 A fake cowboy, probably.

Speaker 7 But I'll wear the get up, you know?

Speaker 7 So, yeah.

Speaker 3 Do you think your current girlfriend is the one?

Speaker 7 I think so.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 I think so. But hey, I'm not, you know, you've seen me in the past.
So

Speaker 7 I say that now and then you see me.

Speaker 1 What is it about you?

Speaker 3 I was going to say, what is it about your current girlfriend that makes you feel like there is longevity? Because the other two women, you were like, yeah, I kind of knew there wasn't anything.

Speaker 3 So what is different?

Speaker 7 No, I mean, like, I was like 22, 23, yeah, 22 when I met my first,

Speaker 7 you know, long-term relationship, you know, great person. She's married now, has a kid, much happier.
Fantastic. I think she, you know, is a beautiful soul as well.
And so,

Speaker 7 but that, that's kind of what you learn, right? You, you go through, um, and you, you start dating, you get engaged, you marry, you have kids.

Speaker 7 And I knew at a certain point that, like, I'm probably not bringing the best out of her. She's not bringing the best out of me.
I think we're both not happy.

Speaker 7 And so she wanted to go through that with that. And I've seen a lot of divorce, right, around the world in my family.

Speaker 7 And that's not something that I wanted to go through with, right? It took me a lot longer, but yes.

Speaker 7 And then so the second, second one it just was gonna be the same thing gonna be the same thing i could try i could try i could um sacrifice on on who i really am and and um mold myself into fit her better but i don't think that's the way it should be i think i would have been unhappy and i think she would have been unhappy i think she's gonna find a guy that's gonna treat her right and

Speaker 7 you know, let her be her in all the right ways. And so I'm, you know, I hope that happens.

Speaker 7 And with Avery now, I think I am able to, you know, kind of be myself and,

Speaker 7 you know, happy, joyous,

Speaker 7 and, and just, you know, I think I make her better as well. So I think back and forth, that we're just a good, a lot better fit than the last two.

Speaker 1 Well, thanks for thanks for saying, Joe, this has been a lot of fun, man. I appreciate you answering our questions and having some fun with us.

Speaker 1 Best of luck in the future in your relationship and just life in general, and wishing you nothing but the best.

Speaker 7 Thank you so much, guys. I appreciate you having me on.

Speaker 1 All right. Take care, Joe.

Speaker 7 Yep. Bye.

Speaker 3 He kind of looks like Jason Priestley from 9020. Just saying you have, you didn't like him the whole season.
Do you like him now?

Speaker 3 He's definitely a lot more charming not watching him from an outside perspective, dating.

Speaker 1 Sarah, I'm with you.

Speaker 5 Pornstashes are back. I know that they had a bad rap, but like people are bringing it back and it is hot.

Speaker 1 I'm trying to get a feeling about Morton.

Speaker 3 He looks like Jason Priestley and Jacob Alorty had a baby.

Speaker 1 He looks like he'd wreck your life. Yeah.
You know what I mean? You know what I mean? Is he the one I called Walmart Jacob Alorty?

Speaker 4 Maybe.

Speaker 1 By the way,

Speaker 3 I see why Madison kept going back to him, though. He's like, he's funny.
He's got that funny frizz, where it's like he just keeps you wanting to go back even though you know you shouldn't.

Speaker 3 I know he lives in Denver, but he's from the East Coast, right? He's in Montana. Montana?

Speaker 1 That's an accent from Montana?

Speaker 3 I need to get out, but yeah, no, I was like, I was like, oh my God, I love it because he seems like somebody you want to go out and drink at the ball with after

Speaker 1 Boston?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 He does give Boston. He gives like, I don't give up.

Speaker 1 I think it's, yeah, I think it's the Italian energy. Charming dirtbag energy.
Yeah,

Speaker 4 I mean that as a compliment.

Speaker 3 Charming dirtbag energy. That's a great way to put it.

Speaker 3 Well, I'm not saying he's a dirtbag. I mean that as energy.

Speaker 1 Like

Speaker 4 in Newman's. Bro, what's his name? Nick.

Speaker 1 Nick from Newman's. Yes.

Speaker 3 1,000%. It's giving Nick.

Speaker 1 Charming sweet, but like, have you changed these sheets in the last month? Right. I don't know.

Speaker 4 That's my dream.

Speaker 8 You know, that's one question I didn't ask him.

Speaker 1 Nick, how often do you change his sheets?

Speaker 1 And Joe, if you're listening, no disrespect, but he's kind of giving his mom did his laundry into his 20s. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Navy blue sheets.

Speaker 1 Navy blue sheets.

Speaker 1 He's just a guy. He's just a boy.

Speaker 3 He's just a boy.

Speaker 1 Is the bed in the corner of the room. One pillow.

Speaker 3 Is the bed in the corner of the room?

Speaker 1 Or do you want to?

Speaker 3 Navy blue sheets, and they're that jersey material.

Speaker 1 He's just a boy in the middle.

Speaker 3 And they're really pilled.

Speaker 1 Oh, my gosh.

Speaker 4 No headboard insight.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Oh, anyways.

Speaker 3 Staying on the Love is Blind train. We do have Miles Smith, who just performed at the reunion reunion and who is just popping off on the charts.

Speaker 1 Let's bring him in.

Speaker 1 There he is. Miles, thanks for joining us.
We loved your appearance on the reunion of Love is Blind. Also, meet one of my members of the household.
Hello. She's a big Steelers fan.

Speaker 1 I'm just a big football fan. We enjoyed your halftime performance

Speaker 1 over in Ireland, man. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Which of those two kind of big moments for you was more enjoyable, or did you feel like a bigger response from?

Speaker 9 You know what? I think like the distance of Dublin to home is so much shorter than London to LA. So it was really nice having it on my doorstep.

Speaker 1 It just pop in and out.

Speaker 9 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Are you an American football fan at all? Or is it mostly just soccer for you or neither?

Speaker 9 I sort of like sit and like. watch American football with no idea what's happening.
And like when people cheer, I cheer.

Speaker 1 So it's a good vibe.

Speaker 9 But like soccer all days to me.

Speaker 1 When you found out about the Love is Blind opportunity, did you know about the show at all? Did you like, were you, was your team just like, hey, we got this cool opportunity for you?

Speaker 1 And you're like, sure. Or did you realize just how big of a show it is, especially here in the States?

Speaker 9 You know what? It's one of those things that periodically make their way through the group chat and there will be like a clip from like Twitter or TikTok. And like, I'd seen some wild stuff.

Speaker 9 So when it, when it came to fruition that like I was going to be invited on the show, I was like, don't know if I could swear, but I was like, you can swear.

Speaker 1 The whole premise of love is blind. Like, do you think you could do something like that? Or, you know, because I always say that love is not blind for me.
There's no way.

Speaker 1 Like, it's part of it, you know, like, I want to see what that person looks like.

Speaker 9 I mean,

Speaker 9 for me, I think love's like partially blind, you know? It's like you could figure your way around the room, but

Speaker 9 I think for me, it's like that show is like, it takes some real courage, you know, and some real confidence to be able to do it.

Speaker 9 And I respect every single person that that goes on there and puts her heart on the line, but it's super scary, you know, like you don't know who you're marrying.

Speaker 1 And that's wild.

Speaker 3 Stargazing has been absolutely blowing up. It's everywhere.
How has that been for you?

Speaker 9 It's been a wild sort of like two years, you know. I went sort of from like.

Speaker 9 you know, being at home and like trying to figure out how I was going to make this music thing work to sort of playing around the world multiple times, which has been super awesome.

Speaker 9 Just yeah, being able to sort of travel the world with my best friends like four or five times in the last like year has been just absolutely unbelievable.

Speaker 3 You make some amazing love songs. I personally have used them for my carousels for my engagement.
So thank you.

Speaker 3 But what, like, what puts you in a headspace to be able to write such beautiful like love songs? Is it from your personal life?

Speaker 3 Is it just, like, what is your inspiration for these beautiful love songs?

Speaker 9 For me, it's like a mix and match.

Speaker 9 Yeah, from like personal life and experiences, but also like the people around me, you know, like some of my best friends is, you know, the last couple of years they've got married or they've had kids, or you know, seeing all of their journeys and seeing how they've like come to life has just been so inspiring and beautiful to watch and see.

Speaker 9 And so, for me, it's like I take inspiration from all around me. And yeah, it's just, it's thanks for calling them beautiful.
That means a lot.

Speaker 3 Do your friends kind of come to you and be like, hey, listen, we're getting married. We need a first dance song.
Could you come up with something for us?

Speaker 1 We need you to play dance.

Speaker 9 It's usually like, hey, we're getting married. like, please don't pull out your guitar at the wedding.

Speaker 1 Do you ever do that?

Speaker 3 You can pull out your guitar at mine, just saying.

Speaker 1 Oh, I'm there. I'm there.

Speaker 1 You recently just finished touring with Ed Sheeran. That must have been a really cool experience.
What was that like?

Speaker 9 Yeah, man. I mean, to be on tour with the best ginger in the world is something that you don't get to do every day.
And, you know, I'm lucky enough to call him a friend.

Speaker 9 But no, what an experience, you know, like I was never great at sport. so the fact that all my mates who are in sports like i said i've played in stadiums before you just a really

Speaker 9 but yeah no to to play to you know 50 to 100 000 people every night for like four months of my life was something that i'll never forget and you know luckily i get to do it all again next year in in in the us with him so it should be a blast and hopefully see some of you guys down there do you have any fun stories from tour like any fun anecdotal things that you and ed did or you did before show or meeting someone Yeah, I mean Ed has a lot of famous friends, which is like super awesome.

Speaker 9 So like loads of like actors and football players and stuff would just appear backstage and I don't know like I'd honestly be there like how the fuck have I got myself in this situation and just absolutely like loved every second of it but also you know just the fun and the laughs along the way like you sort of become roommates when you're together that long, you know, and you just have such great times.

Speaker 9 And, you know, it's

Speaker 9 really awesome just to be able to go on the road with him and to be able to learn so much, but also just have so much fun behind the scenes. And yeah, he's a super fun guy.

Speaker 1 Who is the most surreal celebrity you got to meet that you got pretty almost like surprisingly giddy about?

Speaker 9 I was lucky enough to be in the Time 100 last year as like 100 most influential people. I still think it's a mistake, but I somehow got in there.

Speaker 9 But that room was wild. There was like Snoop Dogg, like Serena Williams, Simone Biles.

Speaker 9 And and like i was so out of face i was like i'm definitely number 100 out of the 100 influential but i will take it um and that was that i think snoop dog for me was pretty sick and like yeah i remember me being like you're right and he was just like yeah and i was like that's that's my life made

Speaker 3 you released a song called river and our daughter's name is river what was kind of like your thought process behind man that's beautiful well what an amazing name um behind the song river you know i

Speaker 9 not to get too deep, but I went through sort of a lot of my own sort of like battles and struggles with sort of like mental health in like my early 20s and really was trying to figure out who I, who I was and really trying to figure out life and, you know, without getting too dark, like if I even wanted to experience it, you know, and

Speaker 9 it was really a big moment in my life where a lot of people sort of like helped me through that patch.

Speaker 9 And that song is almost me sort of like using their words and all the things that they'd say to me in that time to help me get through and put it in a song.

Speaker 9 And I felt like for me, it's like if I needed to hear those words, maybe someone else did. And so I put it into the song river.

Speaker 1 One of our producers' husbands in the music business and they gave us a little tea on you. It turns out, and maybe if this is wrong, I don't know,

Speaker 1 but you love Fireball.

Speaker 1 The drink.

Speaker 3 What's crosswired in your brain?

Speaker 1 Yeah, it makes you like Fireball.

Speaker 1 It was like so 10 years ago.

Speaker 7 Oh, man. Oh, that's embarrassing.

Speaker 1 You know what?

Speaker 9 I'd only gone to America for the first time, like four years ago now. And I remember

Speaker 9 I think I was in Barney's beanery in like LA or something. Yeah.
Sticky floors karaoke.

Speaker 1 Oh, my gosh.

Speaker 9 And someone had handed me a shot of fireball. And

Speaker 9 it was like my world had just opened up. And yeah.
I was like, I've never had this. I've got a bang and headache the next day and my sh and my sugar's spiking.

Speaker 9 However, I still stand by it it's one of the best days and things ever

Speaker 1 put like some kind of like car oil in fireball or like some crazy chemical i don't know it just reminds me of being like a freshman in college yeah good times

Speaker 1 also it says here you really like salmon

Speaker 1 was that like were you in la and like an all-you-can-eat you know salmon buffet like you really made an impression on someone though that's i need to speak to slim dad and jesse i know that's come from there

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, I

Speaker 9 love I love salmon. It's like I don't eat meat, and so it's the next best thing for me.

Speaker 1 There you go. Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, it's a good fish. It's the least fishiest of fishes.

Speaker 3 So you taught yourself to play guitar and piano at the age of 12.

Speaker 1 What? Why?

Speaker 3 Were you like, I am bored?

Speaker 1 I'm going to go to the bathroom. Yeah, no.

Speaker 9 For me, it's like,

Speaker 9 I, like I said before, I was really terrible at like sports and like I really didn't fit in when I was younger. I was like not cool.

Speaker 9 I was either way too chubby and had loads of spots on my face or way too skinny and my head was too big for my shoulders.

Speaker 9 And so, you know, I found like myself in this situation where I was like, I couldn't really fit in. And so finding an instrument was almost like finding a friend.

Speaker 9 And I, you know, I didn't grow up with much money, so lessons weren't an option. So I sort of like used books and stuff to figure out myself.

Speaker 1 Well, you're very cool now. Like I was about to say, look at you now.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 If you were on a desert island and you can only take like one song with you to listen the entire time you're on that desert island, what song?

Speaker 1 One of his songs or any song period?

Speaker 4 Any song, period. If you can only listen to one song.

Speaker 9 Oh, definitely Destiny Charles. I'm a survivor.
Woo!

Speaker 1 That's a good one. Let's go.

Speaker 1 Miles, this has been so much fun. Thanks for taking the time, man.

Speaker 1 Congratulations on all your success. Don't forget about us when you are

Speaker 3 headlining yourself.

Speaker 1 Yeah, headlining all across the world, man.

Speaker 1 I expect big things for you in the future.

Speaker 1 I mean, you're already doing doing great things but uh it seems like the sky is the limit man soup appreciate you guys hopefully see you guys at some shows next year all right appreciate you buddy talk to you later

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Speaker 3 Miles Smith, what a lovely human being. So sweet, so kind, so sweet.

Speaker 1 I love him.

Speaker 5 I feel like Love is Blind reunions get the people that are going to like majorly blow up. You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 Like Alex Warren, they had Alex Warren, which he was already someone, and then massively blew up like right after it.

Speaker 4 Same with Miles Smith, already someone performing with Ed Sheeran and the Steelers Vikings game.

Speaker 1 And they find people who just write songs so beautifully about love. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Well, we have to get into some recaps. We have Royal Housewives of Potomac.

Speaker 1 Potomac was wild this episode.

Speaker 3 And so was Salt Lake City.

Speaker 4 Oh, my God. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Let's start with Potomac.

Speaker 3 Well, if you missed the most recent episode of the Real House Wives of Potomac, here is your rapid recap. Stacy denies hooking up Chris Samuels.
Talk about length. Talk about drama.
Talk about stones.

Speaker 3 Talk about Chris Samuels. Wendy was one time sexually attracted to a stripper with braces.
Tia is more into Rachel Meadow type.

Speaker 4 The Rachel Maddow type.

Speaker 1 That was crazy.

Speaker 3 Tia is more into the Rachel Maddow type. If Angel had to kill someone in the group, she would kill Giselle.
Giselle is happy about this because it means she has a pulse.

Speaker 3 Giselle tried to backtrack the catfish comment and apologizes, but Angel isn't really buying it. Wendy doesn't want to coddle Angel and Kate because they're always bad vibes.

Speaker 3 Wendy also doesn't think Ashley Darby has the vocal range to sing Roberta Flack. In other words, she's killing her softly with the song, but not in the way it was intended.

Speaker 3 Angel reveals that she was being cool and fun with the girls. That wasn't really her.
That was her annoyed. Giselle has decided to be serious about finding a man, and it might be this new man.

Speaker 3 Stacey sends the best selfie ever taken by anyone asking for sex with me with her husband Timu.

Speaker 4 It's Timo, but I wrote Timu.

Speaker 3 Oh, on purpose. Yeah.
All right, Timu. He responds with, I think you have the wrong number.
All-time legendary Divalina housewife alerts. Stacy is the moment.

Speaker 3 Meanwhile, Wendy is getting sicky and doesn't want to work, but she can still bang on the drum all day. At dinner, Angel wants to make sure she's not on the menu.
She's not. She's just the appetizer.

Speaker 3 The main course is K. Apparently, her and Jazzy have beef, so the meal is not vegan.
This is is either a callback or foreshadowing to

Speaker 3 Melissa Gorga's wife's episode, depending on where it lands and our recap. So just go with it, please, dear household.

Speaker 4 We're not recapping it, but veganism is present.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 I feel like it's another pile on on Stacey, which I'm getting tired of.

Speaker 4 Let the girl live.

Speaker 1 Also,

Speaker 3 Angel is kind of giving Brittany Bateman, what about me?

Speaker 3 Like, not her, she constantly is like bringing up herself as like, are we going to do this again with me? Am I going to be on the menu again? It's like, no, bitch, we forgot.

Speaker 4 But now you are.

Speaker 1 Now we are. I do think she kind of ate.
No, pun intended.

Speaker 3 Ate with what?

Speaker 1 When she was going confronting, when Giselle was apologizing to her, because I do think this is a situation where you have Giselle, a single woman, and Angel who is happily married.

Speaker 1 And she was like, well, kind of like, at least I got a man because I feel like. Giselle has a man.
Giselle has a man. Football player guy.
But I mean, like, yeah,

Speaker 1 she's dating. She's figuring it out.
Maybe she's with him now. Maybe she's with him.

Speaker 4 She's not a real wag yet.

Speaker 5 It's also Love Hotel is a dud.

Speaker 3 Just putting that up. It was also a fake ass apology.

Speaker 1 So that's what I was also proud of, too.

Speaker 3 She was like, when she's got her little lackeys behind her, she's like, yeah, that doesn't look like you. You're fake.

Speaker 1 I only say it just because, like, in the, if, if, from a dating context, like on the dating apps or like if you're out there, like, trying to meet people online, like, you deserve to be called out if you're presenting yourself as someone who like isn't what you're posting on the internet.

Speaker 1 On the flip side, if you're using your social media is a way to like, I don't know, however you want it, like

Speaker 1 make yourself feel good about a time or set a goal for yourself, whatever it is, like if you're not trying to meet someone, if you're not representing yourself a certain way, then like you can post whatever the fuck you want.

Speaker 4 One housewife getting onto another housewife about use of FaceTune. I'm like, come on, absurd.

Speaker 3 And then Jazzy having the audacity to be like, yeah, Tia, you do too much. You do too much.
And her being like, thank you. Like, no, no, Jazzy.
You can't. That's, that's, you can't.

Speaker 1 I love Tia. She's my absolute favorite on the show.

Speaker 4 Tia's awesome. Tia, Tia being into Rachel Maddow is awesome.

Speaker 3 But I think it is just fucked up that like Angel did just have a baby. And like Kay said, she's pumping on this trip.
And it's like.

Speaker 3 Bravo A did her dirty by showing flashbacks of her on the red carpet and like pre-baby and then like trying to prove that, you know, we all look different after having a baby.

Speaker 3 You don't that, and that's the most beautiful part about it is that you're not who you once were. You are a new person.
You're a mom. You're in this new phase of life.
You look different.

Speaker 3 Embrace that you look different. But for Giselle, who has children to come after her for like being this catfish who to Nick's point, she's not trying to find a man.

Speaker 3 Like, and to Angel's point, she's like, my husband likes this, loves me. Sorry.
You know what her husband's probably not doing?

Speaker 3 Following her on Instagram and looking at every post that she's posting posting because he sees her every day.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but I feel like Giselle's coming to this argument as someone who is out there still

Speaker 1 trying to make sure she looks good for the right person.

Speaker 3 Yeah, like an angel's not your competition. So you don't need to call it out.
It's crazy. I do find Angel annoying that she talks about Bobby all the time.

Speaker 1 Bobby just sent me a baby.

Speaker 3 Bobby just sent me a little $5,000 to buy some artwork at the little farmer's market.

Speaker 3 And to Giselle's point, it's like, yeah, no, these women women take a lot of pride in being self-made and having their businesses and being strong, independent women.

Speaker 3 So it's like, yeah, you don't need to flex that your husband sent you a little allowance to go shopping. Yeah, it's like, is that for all of us?

Speaker 3 Or, you know, because if you're going to talk about it, you better be sharing it. He's a football player.
Sean Springs?

Speaker 1 Is that Bobby? Oh, Bobby.

Speaker 4 Bobby Massey is an American former professional football offensive tackle. He played college football at Mississippi.
He played for the Cardinals. He also played for the Bears and the Broncos.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Where was he a 10-year first starter or 10-year starter?

Speaker 1 Curtis Samuels, I know. Curtis Samuels was very, very good.

Speaker 3 Not Curtis, it's Chris.

Speaker 1 Chris, him saying, he's also really, really good.

Speaker 4 I do have a question. Have you guys seen Stacey's QVC videos?

Speaker 3 Oh my God, when it's the Merry Christmas and the I love you. And she's like, imagine you with your girlfriends wearing this sweater that says, I love you, doing a photo shoot.
She was made for this.

Speaker 3 And you love each other.

Speaker 1 Talk about Lang. Talk about Lang.

Speaker 4 Talk about drama.

Speaker 1 Talk about stones. Talk about

Speaker 1 QVC.

Speaker 1 I love it. QVC.

Speaker 4 Deborah Vance, dead.

Speaker 1 Stacy.

Speaker 4 Stacy Rausch. You, is it Rouse?

Speaker 1 But the other women just don't fuck with her.

Speaker 3 It is hard to watch. It's hard to just see them every single episode.

Speaker 3 And she handles it very well of just like, I was going to say, I think she's in on the bit as well because I'm like, the sharing of the selfie with the husband husband and the response being like I think you have the wrong number like that's one thing I would have kept to myself he loved it but I think that's just he has a different sense of humor I actually have to leave right now because I need to go video chat like no I think that goes to show just like how comfortable she is that she's like no this is like his humor this is how he talks you know like to the point where she's like why would I like not this is him like this is what and Ashley of course immediately runs to Giselle to like talk some shit stacy watching me like stop talking about me

Speaker 4 I just think it's like in Timu. I know his name is not Timu, but I will be calling him Timu.

Speaker 4 I know Timu is like,

Speaker 4 but like that's some shit I would do. Like I think you have the wrong number.
Like that's funny. Come on.
They can't do a bit. It was funny.
They can't do a bit, Ashley Darby.

Speaker 1 It's giving. It's giving.
They're jealous of her.

Speaker 3 I was going to say she's giving main character energy because everybody's talking about her.

Speaker 1 And she, you know, Stacey is a very beautiful woman. And it's giving, they're they're a little jealous that

Speaker 1 they're hating on the pretty girl. Right.
That's so true. Whether that's true or not, I don't know, but it's just like, you guys are so.
I mean, they're all gorgeous.

Speaker 1 So it's like, sure, but they're focusing on Stacy and picking on Stacy. And it's giving they're a little insecure about Stacy.

Speaker 3 Why do you think Brittany gets picked on so much?

Speaker 1 Bateman?

Speaker 1 Maybe.

Speaker 3 You think they're all jealous of her?

Speaker 1 That she's a pretty girl? No.

Speaker 4 Well, I mean. Oh, she is beautiful.

Speaker 1 She is beautiful. But i think uh you know that brittany's dating escap like britney's dating drama with

Speaker 4 well last season we had stacy with tj which i think was an easy yeah maybe some type of i think i'm new to potomac so she's got a clean slate for me i think what it is is both stacy and brittany have massive theater kid energy and it's just really easy to pick on them I think that's what it is.

Speaker 1 She's a little silly. She's a little unserious.

Speaker 3 Well, speaking of Brittany, it was a jaw-dropping eyes glued to the screen episode of Salt Lake City. Oh, yeah, so good.

Speaker 3 So good. You know what? I never thought I would say one place I would want to be stranded is on a mega yacht with these women.

Speaker 1 Heather's really, this is Heather's season. She's doing

Speaker 1 the damn thing. She doesn't give a fuck about, she's like picking the right people.
She's Team Brawen now. She, you know, like, we love that.
She is fine.

Speaker 1 You know, you're really, she is no longer caring about what Lisa thinks. No, I don't know.
And she is free to make her own choices and decisions.

Speaker 4 And what I really like is she's being super genuine about it. She's like, I'm not going to turn on Lisa.
I'm just like, I want to actually be friends with you.

Speaker 4 And that involves being like, what the fuck are you saying right now?

Speaker 3 Right. Well, that was the thing, too, where she was like, she's kind of like, oh, I like Bronwyn and I don't know why.
I'm like, yes, because you're out of Lisa's ass. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Exactly. That Bronwyn's actually a fun time.

Speaker 3 Well, if you have no idea what we're talking about and you missed the most recent episode of The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, here is your rapid recap.

Speaker 3 Bronwyn slept on the deck, presumably because she's anti-unicorn and not because she hates Britney's beautifully silly guts. Lisa hopes everyone will apologize to her.

Speaker 3 Angie just hopes she can stop throwing up.

Speaker 3 Lisa, Lisa also thinks Britney's crush on Captain Jason is disrespectful because he's not interested. God forbid a woman has hobbies.

Speaker 3 Lisa and Bronwyn then get into it because Lisa was talking shit on the lower level of the yacht. Mary wishes Angie would throw up again so that they could go back to their bed, a la page de Sorbo.

Speaker 3 But thank thank God, Angie is not, in fact, throwing up. She's confronting Lisa about spreading a rumor that Todd was making out with another woman while farting the entire time.

Speaker 1 Bron.

Speaker 1 Grow up.

Speaker 3 It's giving stinky old man.

Speaker 1 I can't believe you're not. Are you picturing Todd Farting right now? It's a little flashy.

Speaker 1 I can't see. I'm crying.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 3 Bronwyn says Lisa is dead to her unless they're contractually obligated to film together. Mary is clocking that Meredith isn't standing on business when it comes to defending Lisa.

Speaker 3 So is Lisa for that matter. Mary also thinks Meredith is being snooze fast.
Meredith would like to be excluded from this narrative, but don't worry, she's just warming up.

Speaker 3 Heather has decided to like Bronwyn and is really enjoying it. Brittany faceplants in the sand while necking off her drink.

Speaker 3 Also, Angie really can't catch a break because after Bronwyn gets her to put on an inflatable seahorse costume, she slams her hand in the door and starts gushing blood.

Speaker 3 Truly, what did our girl do to deserve this? And then it's zombie night for dinner. Incredible outfits all around 10 out of 10.

Speaker 3 Lisa promises once again that she will never bring up Todd, and she's really serious about it this time, you guys. She promises.

Speaker 1 Brittany is now the one throwing up.

Speaker 3 So naturally, she drinks more tequila. Meredith thinks that's gross.
So Brittany tells her she saw TikTok about Seth's possible indiscretions.

Speaker 3 Uh-oh, hopefully Meredith wasn't already pre-eating and her scary British accent doesn't come out. Spoiler alert, it does.
Seth does not have a mistress.

Speaker 1 She didn't British.

Speaker 3 Please, Natalie, X, X, X. Then she says Brittany is a liar and a malicious, despicable person.

Speaker 3 The display of casual cruelty by the girls once again drives Captain Jason away from the dessert table, but the zombie ice cream cake was delish, according to Heather, and that's the episode.

Speaker 1 This episode was

Speaker 3 a lot

Speaker 1 episode for Meredith and Lisa.

Speaker 4 Yeah, we don't need to talk about it. We can talk bad about Lisa.

Speaker 3 No, the fact that Bronwyn is literally like, we need to stop going after the husbands. And not 30 seconds later, Brittany's like, well, I saw Take talk about Lisa.

Speaker 1 But let me defend Brittany. And like, was that too far? Of course.
She should not have.

Speaker 4 All Meredith said was, why are you drinking tequila immediately after you?

Speaker 3 Which honestly was a valid question. I had to say that.

Speaker 1 The way she asked the question, when it comes to Britney, Meredith's a bully. She just is.
She tries to bully Brittany.

Speaker 3 Brittany says she has seizures.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Britney's retaliating to these women just being mean to her.

Speaker 4 Okay, well, Meredith, like Brittany saying Meredith has seizures is crazy.

Speaker 5 You know what it's giving is it's giving a little girl. It's Mary's relationship with Whitney

Speaker 5 around season one and two, where it was like Meredith sees Britney as like a little girl So anytime she says anything She's like shut up like don't talk

Speaker 1 But then finally like I think Britney's just kind of tired of it and fighting back and like she definitely goes for the jugular But like you know, you're treating her like a little girl and Britney's acting in kind like all right.

Speaker 1 Well, I'm just gonna be the 10 year old that you think I am and I'm just gonna say the meanest most hurtful thing But like if they let if they just if all they did was treat Britney just like a normal person, Brittany would be the nicest person to everyone which is why i blame meredith for it.

Speaker 1 Because, like, Brittany doesn't want Brittany just wants to be kind. She wants to be kind to people.

Speaker 4 But that's the beauty of Brittany Bateman on this show: they're not going to be nice to her. So she's not going to be able to do that.

Speaker 1 That's what I'm just saying.

Speaker 1 Meredith,

Speaker 1 it's Meredith's fault that accusation came out.

Speaker 3 I don't know.

Speaker 3 I disagree wholeheartedly.

Speaker 3 You can, like, this, the group of women, they've agreed, let's not, Brittany doesn't like it when she is talking when she's talking, when they're talking about Jared and her sucking a lot of dick or whatever the fuck with Jared.

Speaker 1 They don't like it. They do it.

Speaker 3 But she doesn't like it. I know.
So then how come when they literally all agree like kids and spouses are off limits, guys? We have to stop coming after them.

Speaker 3 And to literally have Meredith be like, why are you drinking tequila after you just threw up?

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 4 Why are people making TikToks about Seth?

Speaker 1 Literally.

Speaker 3 Oh, well, I guess if you want to talk about me drinking tequila, we can talk about Seth's indiscretions that I saw on TikTok. You didn't see it.
It's everywhere.

Speaker 1 Why? But they treat Mary like a 10-year-old and they want her to be the bigger person. Brittany, you're right.
Brittany. No, you're Brittany.

Speaker 5 Definitely both are true because it's like, why is Meredith nagging about the tequila? I thought you said you weren't talking to Brittany. You don't talk to Brittany.

Speaker 3 But then you tell Meredith to be like, I would say that to anyone.

Speaker 1 No, you wouldn't.

Speaker 5 But Meredith has a point too where she's like, should we talk about all the trolls on everybody? It's like there's troll comments and there's like legitimate things.

Speaker 1 And that's where I respect Mitty. It was definitely a, it was a low blow, Brittany.
I just like.

Speaker 3 It wasn't Meredith's fault that Brittany gave her a low blow. I think regardless, I think regardless, Brittany was going to pull that card out at some point in the season.

Speaker 3 She showed it to Whitney before Meredith ever came at her.

Speaker 4 And Whitney was like, that's bullshit.

Speaker 1 We're not going to talk about that.

Speaker 1 She's just arming herself up because she knows they're going to be like knocking her down.

Speaker 5 I just want to know how do they have Wi-Fi in the middle of the ocean? Because I thought about this.

Speaker 1 I was like, scrolling on TikTok.

Speaker 3 It's a mega yacht. It's like having a hotel on the ocean.

Speaker 1 They have a big settlement. Yeah, maybe.

Speaker 4 If they're shooting. an episode of TV, I would imagine they have Wi-Fi.

Speaker 1 Yes, they do.

Speaker 3 Plus the FaceTime calls. Yeah, they're like, we need the Wi-Fi.

Speaker 1 Yeah, FaceTime calls, I was like, where are y'all at? Mary's commentary about like not knowing what's more offensive, the farting or the kissing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was amazing.

Speaker 3 Also, like, I really just give like old, I feel like that's like, that's half of it. It's like, they're really just like pointing at his age that he was like farting while making out.

Speaker 3 That's why I think it's bullshit too, because I'm like, Lisa, you went for Bronwyn with gout

Speaker 3 dick sucker. If you had this in your arsenal, you would have used it.
So that was a spreading a rumor to hurt Bronwyn down the line.

Speaker 3 And then not her being like talking to meredith being like don't ever trust angie with anything because she's gonna and angie being like no don't talk about your friend thank you

Speaker 1 that's the point of this whole thing

Speaker 1 lisa's face when angie called her out was yeah she kind of that's her version of admitting she did it yeah and she was like her tail is her mouth twitched she's like you're right

Speaker 4 it's also like speaking of like lisa and meredith it's just the one thing i'm a meredith defender through and through but the one thing i don't get is like why are you friends with lisa yeah like i don't and i know she's always like i don't know why people like to question our friendship.

Speaker 4 And it's like, it's because it doesn't make any sense. The way she was treating you, like, when you guys woke up in the morning, she was like, I don't like that you didn't defend me.

Speaker 4 And Meredith was like, I did in my own, in my way.

Speaker 4 You know me well enough by now to know that I'm going to lawyer my way out of this shit and also kind of defend you while doing it and staying out of the drama until I go nuclear.

Speaker 3 Well, how did you feel about Mary kind of jumping on Lisa's bandwagon with Meredith saying, you don't say anything. I think

Speaker 1 Meredith hates Meredith. Mary hates Meredith.

Speaker 4 That hurt my feelings.

Speaker 3 Anything that comes out of Mary's mouth is chef's kiss, gold, putting it in a treasure chest.

Speaker 1 It was all save it for.

Speaker 3 Oh, and I love that Mary has no problem ending a conversation. Like, she's just like, I will say the most hurtful thing if you will get up and get out of my face.
And I don't feel bad.

Speaker 3 She was like, you need to come up with a story because you're a snooze.

Speaker 1 Because you're boring.

Speaker 1 And I was like, let her cook.

Speaker 3 Let her come up with a story.

Speaker 1 She will.

Speaker 5 I appreciate Meredith's presence this season. I think you need the one that reacts dramatically out of nowhere.

Speaker 1 I appreciate all their presence. All of them.

Speaker 3 I was like, Angie, right now, like gold star, throwing up the first one, slamming her hand in an inflatable.

Speaker 1 Like, Connor and I were watching like this poor woman.

Speaker 1 No, her hand when it started bleeding, I was like, No, Connor was like, It's serious. It's like, I think it's bad.
I think she broke it.

Speaker 3 And then he's like, is that blood?

Speaker 1 Also, it's like, God, it is.

Speaker 4 Why was my slasher movie low-key realistic?

Speaker 3 They did the same thing. They was like, oh my God, they stole Mary's idea.
I was like,

Speaker 4 okay, Shed Media, are you watching?

Speaker 1 For other Lisa stands out there, are you a Lisa stan because like you're a Lisa or do you dislike growing your TV screen?

Speaker 1 I would love to know.

Speaker 5 I said something last week that Nick said that's concerning when I said, I think Lisa's just my spirit animal.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. And he goes, that's concerning.

Speaker 5 And I was like, no, I'm not Lisa, but like, I would love to reciprocate her energy sometimes.

Speaker 3 That's what I want someone to call in with a hot take about is like, if you're a Lisa Stan, why?

Speaker 1 And like, why should that change our minds? No, I honestly was like, before I watched it, I was like, you know, I want to mix it up. I want to just like find the good in people.

Speaker 1 And so I was like, like, I'm going to do nothing but but compliment Lisa Barlow this episode. I'm just going to look for things.
Yeah. How'd that go? Impossible.

Speaker 5 She owned up to it at least once this episode.

Speaker 1 She did marry Sanchez. She did apologize.

Speaker 1 Hardly.

Speaker 3 Do you think she'll stand by it?

Speaker 1 She did it, though. Listen, I don't know who she is in real life.

Speaker 5 I am kind of a Lisa stan. I've always said that.
I stand the whole cast, but I do love Lisa.

Speaker 1 She's great TV.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I think the show is boring without her.

Speaker 3 Yeah. 100%.
She's great television. I do respect her.

Speaker 1 Not a good friend.

Speaker 5 I do respect someone that's like, well, if you're going to come for me, I'm going to to come back.

Speaker 1 Like, regardless of what I'm going to do,

Speaker 3 I'm going to get out of it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's the whole

Speaker 3 point of Angie being like, we're at this dinner where you're literally like, I love you guys no matter what. Like, we'll get through it.
Even when we fight, I love you guys.

Speaker 3 And then to be like, oh my God, by the way, I saw, like, I heard that Todd was.

Speaker 5 And that's where I say I love her, but also, I'm like, you use your power for wrong reasons.

Speaker 3 And also, what she should have done was after that dinner, when she met up with Bronwyn and they agreed to stop talking, she should have been like, hey, by the way, like, I did tell Angie this rumor last time we were at this dinner.

Speaker 3 It might come out. So, but that's just not who she is.

Speaker 1 She's incapable of doing that.

Speaker 3 And I do appreciate Todd's commentary back about it, too, where he was just kind of like, I don't understand why I'm becoming a punchline.

Speaker 3 Because that also made me sad that, like, that he was proved right. Like, I wanted Bronwyn to be able to, like, call Todd and like vent to him about what's going on.

Speaker 3 But I knew Todd would be like, well, I told you so. And but I make at the same time, to his point, like, it's like, why is it about me now? Now I'm out making out and farting with people.
Like,

Speaker 3 what did I do to deserve this? Yeah. When I just want to be left the fuck out of it and have to sit and have ice cream with you while you cry at me being mad at me for stealing your cherries.

Speaker 4 One foot in the grave and another on the banana peel. You know, yeah.

Speaker 1 We'll see if they make it to short next week.

Speaker 3 Well, continuing with great television, we have Timothy Simons from Nobody Wants This: a gym of a human being in a great conversation. He's up next.

Speaker 1 Tim, welcome back to the show. Thanks for having me back.
This is exciting. There are more people here.

Speaker 1 More people. Yeah, Tim was on five years ago.

Speaker 3 Was it like a charity case you were doing? Like, did you have like

Speaker 1 my appearing on the show was a charity done by

Speaker 1 letting us appear. No, I was really excited.
It was, you know, it was definitely before I knew what, like, the vile files was, you know, figuring itself out. It was young.
It was early in its day.

Speaker 1 You know, it was going through puberty. Yes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 And I was just a big fan of Tim from Veep. Yes.
And so I was like, yeah, bring him on. I don't even know what the fuck we talked about.

Speaker 1 I think it was broadly because Matt Walsh and I do a podcast together. And at that point, it was a Veep rewatch.
And now it's something different.

Speaker 1 We were talking like off-mic, and it was like, you know, that was something we started doing during the pandemic, like back when nobody could do anything. And so everybody said, let's start a podcast.

Speaker 1 And Walsh and I did that. And still going, but in a different format.
But that's, that was broadly why we were there. It was a good time for me.
Yeah. But now.

Speaker 1 Now you're on a hit new show. Nobody wants this.
Yeah. And we are big fans.

Speaker 1 We're deep into season two.

Speaker 3 Nice. We had Jackie Tone season one.

Speaker 1 Oh, great. Yes.
Lovely. Jackie is incredible.

Speaker 3 She is a gem of a human being. She is.

Speaker 1 And also has

Speaker 1 an amount of energy at all times that is wild.

Speaker 3 Have you seen the photo of her dog's tooth that looks like a mitten, a snow mitten?

Speaker 1 Yes. Yes.

Speaker 3 So she shows that to everybody?

Speaker 1 I've seen so many pictures of her dog. Also, her dog's name is Glenn.
And I like...

Speaker 1 Look, I love dogs. I'm a dog person.
I have a dog, but also I would say like once

Speaker 1 every

Speaker 1 three weeks, I just send like a bunch of text messages to the cast thread making fun of Glenn because his ears are really big.

Speaker 1 And so I'm just like, all right, like, you know, I'm just going to like go on a bunch of ear jokes about a dog. Nobody's ever laughed at them, but I like doing it.
Are you just doing it back to back?

Speaker 1 Yeah, just back to back. Yeah.
And the show is so much fun.

Speaker 1 I really particularly like your and Jackie's character and is how you guys, you know, portray a married couple who's been married for a long time and going into the ups and downs and the grind of a marriage and the way you guys are able to portray that in a

Speaker 1 charming way, you know, because it's also very realistic and very normal for couples to feel what your characters are feeling.

Speaker 1 And it's, I, I, I really enjoy when, when you guys are on the screen, it's like a really great, you know, obviously you have Kristen and Adam

Speaker 1 and their character being the stars of the show, but I'm really enjoying, you know, your guys' storyline throughout the, you know, season.

Speaker 1 Obviously, in like in season two you guys are figuring out whether you want to have kids or not again and and that all like what what you know i don't know what's your relationship status are you in i've i'm married you're married

Speaker 1 for 17 years 17 years so yeah i mean how much like when you and jackie are you just going off the script but like how do you guys have such chemistry like that that you have on screen It's a good question.

Speaker 1 I mean, Jackie is somebody who, like, you know, you guys met her. She's someone that's sort of easy to have chemistry with.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like that sort of, I don't know, man, that seems like a like a a question i don't even know if i'm capable of answering because like it just kind of feels like chemistry is in a way kind of accidental i don't think you can really plan for it like i don't think you could have really planned for like adam and kristen to have as much chemistry as they do i think we all just got really lucky that we all you know justine same deal it kind of just all got lucky that we have that much chemistry but

Speaker 1 That thing,

Speaker 1 I think it's something that kind of revealed itself

Speaker 1 when you're talking about like the relationships part of it, because so much of the first season is

Speaker 1 the beginning of a new relationship and like that sort of like all-encompassing, like adrenaline-fueled, oh my God, like first kiss kind of stuff. And in the second season,

Speaker 1 planned, but also in some way by accident, like you're kind of looking at a relationship at its very beginning and not necessarily at its very end, but like much further into it when it's like, I don't know, I mean, like, I don't know what your status is are, but like, you know, like the

Speaker 1 1700 kiss is like not as magical as the first one. You know what I mean? Like, that's just by the time that's

Speaker 1 kissing you this morning was like the first time. Oh, thank you so much.

Speaker 3 How much improv do y'all get to do? Like, are you able to play around much?

Speaker 1 We are.

Speaker 1 There's not like a lot of improvisation.

Speaker 1 Like, we shoot really, like, we shoot really fast. We shoot really fast and we we have to get a lot of stuff done.
So there aren't a lot of,

Speaker 1 there aren't like a lot of, you know, you hear story like Veep specifically, like we had a sort of, you know, a very heavily scripted show, but we had a rehearsal process that had a lot of improvisation.

Speaker 1 And there was always the idea that we were going to take a scene. We were going to like go back to the beginning of a scene.
And in those first four years, Armando would say, just

Speaker 1 hit all the major beats of this scene, but don't use the same words. And we would just kind of figure out how to make our way through that scene.

Speaker 1 You're just kind of like, whatever, I won't go on about that. But this is

Speaker 1 much more tightly scripted. And I would say that the improvisation is less about trying to find like a, an incredible joke as it is.

Speaker 1 a little bit more like interstitial, a little bit more juji, a little bit more like, well, okay, how do we make this sound a little bit more conversational? Yeah. Stuff like that.

Speaker 1 And definitely like the writers are collaborative in that way. So it's not like somebody's coming at Scripty isn't coming up and like pointing to the thing being like, you missed it.

Speaker 1 And if we have stuff that's like, this feels weird coming out of your mouth, they'll, they'll move it around. But we don't do, you know, you hear about like, you know, Mike Scherr,

Speaker 1 who did the Good Place and who did,

Speaker 1 who was a writer on the office for a long time. There was always that idea of like, okay, now we're doing one for fun.

Speaker 1 Like we don't really do one for fun on this show because it doesn't really serve what we're trying to get to, if that makes sense.

Speaker 3 It does seem very like meeting Jackie, that is her character. You know, like it feels like it's very written for honestly everyone.

Speaker 3 And I mean, like, do you, how much of you do you feel like is in Matt?

Speaker 1 You know, weirdly, not

Speaker 1 a lot outside of.

Speaker 1 I think they're like, when it comes to like character specifics, we don't overlap a lot, but I feel like worldviews. Yeah, yeah.
He and I overlap a lot, you know, especially in the second season.

Speaker 1 I don't know how far you guys are in, but like, you know, maybe this is too revealing of me, but a little bit like sort of go along, get along and, and not really talk about anything until it all kind of blows up.

Speaker 1 Like maybe that's like a worldview thing of like trying to like, or like learn in confidence. That's a world I fit into pretty well about like, how can I stay on the fringes and not get in trouble?

Speaker 1 But also like, you know, I want to have Tuesdays off. You know what I mean? How can I like live a life where I have most Tuesdays off? Yeah.
I can't help but notice you have your hair highlighted.

Speaker 1 I do. It's, yeah, it's blonde right now.
Is this like for a character or is this for fun? It was for fun. Okay.
We were going, we, the show got nominated for an Emmy, which was very cool.

Speaker 1 And we got to go. And

Speaker 1 I've done a lot. I've done like a lot of like black tuxedos before.
And so like, generally, I would say like, I've been trying to have more fun when it comes to that type of thing.

Speaker 1 And it truly was like, I don't know, I think it'd be fun to dye my hair blonde. And then I did it.
And it turned out it was fun.

Speaker 1 And then like, we just went on like a big like press tour

Speaker 1 around like the premiere of the show. And I got it redone for that.
And now I think I'm just going to let it grow out. But no, it was literally just like.
And then the mullet as well.

Speaker 1 Is that also part of the?

Speaker 1 That was just a haircut I really liked. And I mean, like, you guys, like when I, with the first season of the show, I remember thinking that like

Speaker 1 this guy was probably going to be a lot i kind of assumed he would be a little bit more conservative than he ended up being and like a little bit more of a straight arrow and then on like the first costume fitting uh our costume designer whose name is nagar ali klein she had this idea of doing that like like the the reference pictures that she brought in were like Shia LaBeouf and

Speaker 1 Jonah Hill, like that sort of like

Speaker 1 LA expensive streetwear scumbag scumbag thing.

Speaker 1 And it like just immediately I was like, that's incredible. That's so fun.
And so the mullet was kind of like a, oh, shit, I should have had a haircut like that for the first season and I didn't.

Speaker 1 And so like, let's just do it for the second season. People get haircuts.
Yeah. I thought it was great because it almost like my wife had me do the mullet for a while.
It's so fun. It's fun.

Speaker 1 And it's like, you know, I think at our age in life, there's always the risk people will tell us that we're going through a bit bit of a midlife crisis.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, I've gotten that comment a couple times.

Speaker 1 And even, you know, Matt's character kind of gives like he's at that stage of life where he's just like kind of trying things out, where it's just like, yeah, we, when I get older, I'm kind of like,

Speaker 1 who says I can't do this? You know, you kind of like, you try, you want to, you know, people call it a midlife crisis. I just say, I'm staying young.
You know,

Speaker 3 I mean, speaking of haircut, what

Speaker 3 happened with your audition for VEEP with a questionable haircut?

Speaker 1 Did that did I have a questionable haircut?

Speaker 3 It says that we need to ask you about it.

Speaker 1 Oh, is what I've heard.

Speaker 1 Did I have a questionable haircut?

Speaker 3 Do you remember your audition for Veep?

Speaker 1 I do. I mean, I think I probably just had.
You're like, I thought I look good.

Speaker 3 It was my normal haircut.

Speaker 1 I thought I looked pretty great. What I've had for the last four years.

Speaker 1 I mean, like, I would, I am in no way going to stand by my haircut at that time. Like, you know, I was a, like, I was a broke motherfucker.
I had whatever cheap ass haircut I could find.

Speaker 1 I have, i did have to shave my head for the show i'm trying to remember was that like jarring for you have you ever seen your head bald before that moment no not like down to the skin and my kids are pretty young and they didn't like it they were like this isn't no this

Speaker 1 we don't like this um no my haircut for the audition i actually can't remember i just i do remember being nervous about everything Oh, I did like sort of intentionally, awkwardly style my hair in a way of like trying to do like character separation from me and

Speaker 1 Jonah and of just being like I parted it the wrong like opposite how I would normally do it like I parted it the other way so that it would just all seem a little bit wrong.

Speaker 3 Did they appreciate that about you or did they?

Speaker 1 I don't think they noticed.

Speaker 1 I don't think they ever noticed that I was overthinking everything.

Speaker 4 What was your favorite Jonah haircut you had?

Speaker 1 Weirdly, somebody, you know how it was like daylight saving time over the weekend? Oh my god. This is like now every year, well, twice a year, I guess, like

Speaker 1 I will get a lot of things on the internet that are like, that will correct daylight savings to daylight saving because of that Kent line of it not being plural or possessive.

Speaker 1 But like somebody just texted me a picture that apparently there's like a video billboard that has me on it saying it's daylight saving time. It's like up there right now.

Speaker 1 And I didn't know this was happening, but I guess this is the only reason I'm bringing this up is somebody sent me that picture this morning and I was like, you know, I kind of like that hair.

Speaker 1 When it was like growing out from being shaved, you know, and it was just like a little bit like a buzz cut. I was like, maybe I should do that.

Speaker 1 Cut it all up. Info at every corner.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 How old are your kids now?

Speaker 1 They're 13, about to be 14. We have twins.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Boys, girls?

Speaker 1 One of each. Yeah.
One of each. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Wow. How is twins in the early stage?

Speaker 1 Oh, it's a nightmare. Nightmare.
It's like a full-on nightmare. Do you guys have kids the same people? We have one.
We have one. We're working on a 21-month-old girl.
Growing the family.

Speaker 1 Not too long ago, Natalie's doctor informed her that if we were to try this particular month,

Speaker 1 there would be a high chance of twins.

Speaker 3 She had just coincidentally gave me an ultrasound and saw, oh, you have two follicles that would drop and you would have twins this month if you were to try.

Speaker 3 And Nick and I were like, well, well, it's not.

Speaker 1 But it was like a weird, it was a weird thing just knowing that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Just be like, do we

Speaker 3 like having the choice was, it was like a weird.

Speaker 1 What a beautiful thing it would be.

Speaker 1 I can't imagine having a child then also having twins. Like twins itself is hard.
It's, it's hard. It's, it's like you're just kind of trying to survive to the end of the day.

Speaker 1 There's like, you know, if you have one, there's like, oh, they're, it's like, oh, it's so beautiful. And you read books to them.

Speaker 1 You know, you carry, you're going to like really get in there. And with twins, it's just like, how do we survive this? and what did y'all do we barely survived

Speaker 1 i mean i don't remember a blacked out yeah like a truly like a true blackout situation i love them and they're incredible uh but no like having two babies at the same time is very hard are they can you see like they have the twin telepathy like have you been able to see that at all that's more identicals oh is it okay it's more for identicals every once in a while we'll catch little glimpses of it um but that might be uh nurture not nature

Speaker 1 And I don't know.

Speaker 1 There is one thing that I remember, like one of the funny things from when they were kids was that like our son, everything sort of verbal, he did first and everything physical, our daughter did first.

Speaker 1 And Marty, our son is

Speaker 1 like, had like a lot of words. He was a very, very big talker.
And we were like trying to encourage our daughter, Hopper, to talk.

Speaker 1 And, you know, so we would ask her questions, you know, trying to get her to talk. And then Marty would answer it.
And we'd be like, oh, no, no, Marty, we're asking Hopper.

Speaker 1 And Hopper would just kind of gesture to Marty, like,

Speaker 1 you know, he just answered it. I'm like, right,

Speaker 1 I'm not going to say it now. Like, you have the information.

Speaker 1 They're working together. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, do you collect Blu-rays? I do. Thank God you asked.

Speaker 1 Thank God. It's still a thing.
Tell us about it.

Speaker 3 How are you finding them? Yeah.

Speaker 5 I used to collect also to give you

Speaker 1 physical media, baby. Physical media, baby.

Speaker 1 This is, this has become a thing that I did. It was during the pandemic, and I think I missed, I think I like missed.
There are a lot of reasons of all of which I'm going to tell you.

Speaker 1 God, your audience is going to hate everything I'm about to say. This is going to be amazing.
I think there's that idea of like you buy something on iTunes, you don't actually own it.

Speaker 1 You own it as long as Apple has the license to be able to stream it to you after having purchased it. True.
I missed the idea of,

Speaker 1 and this is also, it goes back to when I was a kid, like the, the movies that were like on the shelf in the TV room, like they had like this level of importance. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 When you go to someone's house and they have a whole like DVD display, you're like, oh my God, you have so-and-so? Like, yeah. And it means

Speaker 1 what is it about that that made that important to you? And so I, so that was, that was in there.

Speaker 1 I think there are a lot of things of like picture quality and sound quality, especially as somebody who considers themselves like a little bit of like a connoisseur of those of movies and TV.

Speaker 1 Like all of those things are just a lot better. I also generally have like a little bit of a collector vibe.
And I, I don't know, like I also like like niche nerd stuff.

Speaker 1 When I first started, I went to a, I was on a job in Atlanta and I found like this pawn shop on the north side of Atlanta that had like an insane collection and everything was $2.

Speaker 1 And so I was in there like every week.

Speaker 3 You paid the extra hundred bucks for your suitcase to get.

Speaker 1 I did. I like, I was like, oh my God, like I am now at the point I'm going to have to like send boxes home.
Oh, wow.

Speaker 1 And then it just sort of like led me into a whole like little underworld of doing it.

Speaker 3 Has your wife been supportive of this?

Speaker 1 Incredibly supportive. However,

Speaker 1 however, last week,

Speaker 1 one showed up. Uh-oh.
One showed up. Like, and there have been times where like, you know, Criterion has like

Speaker 1 twice yearly sales where I'll, like, where maybe like 10 will show up.

Speaker 1 And there was this thing like I opened one and she just went we have a lot of those huh

Speaker 1 oh no and then like I said

Speaker 1 like the actual straw that broke the cable back what movie was it it was a oh my god it's a movie I haven't even seen but

Speaker 1 but was recommended.

Speaker 1 Every year I do like a podcast with Fennesy and Chris Ryan and Tracy Letz over at the Big Picture. And it was one that was recommended by Tracy Letts.

Speaker 1 It was, I think, a Harrison Ford movie called The Rampage that they had just remastered in 4K or whatever. And so I was like, oh, I'm going to pick that up.
So I haven't even seen it.

Speaker 1 Like the one that might be-I do love Harrison Ford. Oh my God, he's incredible.
I could even be wrong about Harrison Ford. I don't know if you want to help me out on that.
I haven't seen the movie.

Speaker 1 And that one might be like, she was just, we got a lot of these.

Speaker 1 You're on a desert island. You can only pick three

Speaker 1 of your DVDs or Blu-rays. Blu-rays.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 Which ones ones do you take?

Speaker 1 This is.

Speaker 1 What a great question. And I'm so glad you asked it.

Speaker 1 I think Inside Lewin Davis is going to be one of them.

Speaker 1 Cohen Brothers movie with Oscar Isaac. Sorcerer, which is, I think, my favorite movie.
It's a William Friedkin movie about trying to move unstable dynamite across

Speaker 1 Colombia. I actually don't know the country.
El Salvador, it's sort of like these. It's like your favorite movie, huh? It's your favorite movie.
It is my favorite movie.

Speaker 1 I just can't remember the country.

Speaker 1 Ooh, and what's the third one uh third one

Speaker 1 i've got like a some weird

Speaker 1 probably uh probably like a like a michael man like a like a thief like a michael man thief kind of vibe i think would be the those would be the three i love that question thank you is there a certain role that you'd love to play that might shock people

Speaker 1 oh

Speaker 1 i feel pretty lucky that i've been able

Speaker 1 do a bunch of different stuff. Obviously, like the stuff that I'm most well known for is very much on the comedy side.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I started in

Speaker 1 like doing like indie theater in Chicago. And I feel like in that world, everything sort of mixes together.

Speaker 1 You have like, I don't know, when I came to LA, there was like this, very much this thing of like, it's either like comedy or drama. And like, that's very hard for those two things to mix.

Speaker 1 And I feel like, I feel like I've been pretty lucky and able to like being able to jump back and forth in between things.

Speaker 1 But I'm like a really big fan of like scumbag LA noirs. So like that kind of thing.
Okay. Yeah.
Like I like LA noir detective stories. Yeah.
Like centered on people who are

Speaker 1 not really good people, but you kind of cheer for them. Yeah.
That's that that would maybe be simple.

Speaker 3 That's interesting. I mean, speaking of your theater days, is there any like

Speaker 3 underrated skill that you felt like you learned from your theater days?

Speaker 1 Oh, from my theater days? Yeah. Ah,

Speaker 1 from the theater days, I don't

Speaker 1 everyone, good question, good question. I'm gonna stop.
The one that's coming to mind was actually just from last year.

Speaker 1 I had to do like an indie movie in Vegas where I had to play like a, like a, like a whipped addicted

Speaker 1 like past his prime magician.

Speaker 1 And I got to like go down like three days early and like work with a guy. His name was Magic Nick.
And

Speaker 1 magic nick was fucking great and we spent like three days you know practicing whippets the same whippets

Speaker 1 is that the like the yeah like era thing i think in the old days you would just have the cracker and it would like blow up the balloon but now i feel like people are doing

Speaker 1 kids these days are now doing out of like that starbucks whipped cream yeah you get like a canned stir i haven't done whippets i just used to work at starbucks yeah okay

Speaker 1 me thinks the lady doth protest too much about doing whippets I don't do these.

Speaker 3 If I were to, this is how I would do it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I just know all of the delivery systems.

Speaker 1 So I got to spend like three days working with Magic Nick because like script-wise, it literally just said

Speaker 1 he like pulls flowers out of his sleeve. And I was like, basic.
Is that all he does?

Speaker 1 But I was like, I feel like there's the thing of like you.

Speaker 1 I've been in positions before where you show up to set and you're prepared for the thing that they ask you to do and you are not prepared for like the thing that should lead up to that and then you're like scrambling and this was an indie movie and the last thing you want is to like show up on set and then be like oh we got to figure then you're wasting their time and they don't have a big budget or whatever and so I just spent like three days working with magic nick on like a bunch of we basically like worked out a magic show like he shared His magic

Speaker 1 he didn't give me the big stuff but he like he taught me a lot about misdirection He taught me sort of like, you know, never crossing the line, all of those things.

Speaker 1 But when I got back, I could like, I could make a flower appear out of a handkerchief. I could

Speaker 1 make a coin appear out of nowhere.

Speaker 1 Do we have a coin? Can we, are you still good at this? Here's the thing.

Speaker 1 You've lost the sky.

Speaker 1 Can I, I have lost my touch a little bit. We ultimately ended up.

Speaker 1 like with magnets like putting magnets in a in a tuxedo coat and that's sort of what they ended up using out of like all the the versions that i gave but i am really proud of myself for this were kids obsessed they really liked the coin trick we went to my son uh has like gotten into like this local children's theater group and he really likes that and one of my adult friends i was like three weeks later was telling her about how i could do this trick and i just had a coin and like found like a just like a table napkin and I did it for her

Speaker 1 and she was actually like, oh my God. And like, it was, I was like, really, that was like a moment where I was like, oh, holy shit.
I was like,

Speaker 1 I did it.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That's something that I've never been able to imagine.
It's crazy. I don't want to be able to do that.

Speaker 1 When you see it happen, like when Magic Nick would throw out some of his, like, oh, I'm just going to do this. And it comes out of here.
I mean, it is like, I'm like, we're this close to one another.

Speaker 1 And you're looking for how he's doing it. And you still can't see it.
It's pretty amazing. I just want to get into Magic so I can be called Magic Nick.
It has a ring to it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's an alter ego I want to talk to.

Speaker 3 It kind of sounds like you're also could be strip dancing.

Speaker 1 Also magic mic. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, magic knick, jack of all trucks. A lot of people on your cast have had fun with the idea that everyone's married, you know, and obviously there's just a lot of on-camera chemistry.

Speaker 1 Is it ever like, I know you're all professionals, but like, how, does like, have you ever had to have a conversation with your wife?

Speaker 1 Be like, all right, so there's like, how much kissing, you know, is in the script? And do you, do, do married couples and actors have those types of conversations with their partners?

Speaker 1 Or is it just like, hey, we're professionals and it is what it is? I think it's a combination of both. It is like, it kind of has to be.
I think it's like weird.

Speaker 1 I think it's probably easier if both people in the relationship are actors. Because yeah, it's like a weird part of the job.
It's like, my job today is to go to work

Speaker 1 and like pretend to have sex with another

Speaker 1 that is not you.

Speaker 4 I call it legal cheating.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the only form that exists.

Speaker 3 That it's like, I'm sorry, babe, I got to keep a roof over our heads, so I will be simulating sex with someone else.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but it is, as someone who has had one time an on-camera kiss for acting, it

Speaker 1 does not feel the same. It is awkward.
And you're like as a man, I'm

Speaker 1 it's just like you've just took it.

Speaker 3 Was it yours also with a man, though?

Speaker 1 Well, that was the same show. I had one of each.

Speaker 1 But to that point, equally as benign. Yeah.
In a way that was like, yeah, just

Speaker 1 in kind of a way romantic.

Speaker 1 In a way, it's sort of like, it's like the least sexy thing possible. Like, it doesn't feel like you kissed the person.
No. Not at all.

Speaker 1 But there is also that very human thing of like, you have to have that kind of, you just, you, we have to have the, and like, definitely I've always viewed it as just part of the job, but there, there have been moments where you just end up having to have the conversation and being like, of course, no, like this is just a part of the job.

Speaker 1 Like, this is not anything else. I think I can imagine for spouses, and like, luckily, like Justine and her husband, Tyson, and Annie, my wife and I, like, we are all close, the four of us.

Speaker 1 So, like, when somebody talks about like how Jack or how Justine and I have a really good chemistry, I don't think Annie's like, what the fuck's going on?

Speaker 1 But I do remember, I can't remember who said this, but they had like an amazing quote about

Speaker 1 performing sex scenes, which is like, I would so much rather perform a sex scene than a death scene or no, perform a death scene than a sex scene because nobody knows what it's like to die, but everybody kind of knows like what it's like to have sex.

Speaker 1 So it's like, if you like, are not doing it the right way, people are going to be like, what the fuck?

Speaker 1 That's gross and weird. Is that what you think this is like?

Speaker 1 Those are those things? You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's like be sexy, you know? Yeah, be sexy. It's like, and some people are going to be like, well, I know how to do that and you're not doing it right.

Speaker 1 But if you're dying, it's everybody in the audience, unless they're dead, it's going to be like, well, shit, I've never done that before. Maybe that's what that's like.
I guess he's dead. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Does your wife watch the show?

Speaker 3 Nobody wants this.

Speaker 1 She does. And my kids, too.
It's like one of the first things that I've done that my kids have like been able to see.

Speaker 1 Like most everything else that I've done has been like really sweary or just like not straight up not for kids. Yeah.
Yeah. We like watch it as a family.
My kids really like it.

Speaker 1 They were like we shoot in LA and all on the east side. And I live on the east side.
There were like days like they got to come to set a couple times because it was like on the way home from school.

Speaker 3 Is there ever a world in which I know there's like scenes? I mean, I know it was season one, but

Speaker 3 the bot mitzvah. Like when there's a lot of kids extras, like, would your kids ever kind of do that?

Speaker 1 Or would they be like, this is weird i don't want to i think that they would i actually kind of think that they would want

Speaker 1 to yeah

Speaker 1 there is a little part of me that like doesn't want them on a set as a kid totally you know what i mean yeah yeah because like eventually there it's going to be like the last thing like a 13 or 14 year old needs is for someone to go get water for them

Speaker 1 yeah like i'm trying to

Speaker 1 have them be a paid honestly

Speaker 1 that might be the thing. Like, oh, you want to kill them?

Speaker 4 Have them stand by a trash can and lock up.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
You want to kill the romance of this real quick? I'm going to have you be a PA.

Speaker 1 And I'll gladly help them do that.

Speaker 3 Do they think it's cool that you're on a show or do they really like understand?

Speaker 1 I think they are starting to. And I, and I think they do think it's cool, although they might be like, you know, they're 13.
I think they'd be a little loath to admit that

Speaker 1 right now. Totally.
Like, your dad's verifiably fucking cool.

Speaker 1 Maybe don't fucking yell at me.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 yeah, they, they do think it, they, I think they do think it's cool. I also like, I think it's like fun for them that like,

Speaker 1 that like their friends have seen it. Like, I think there is, like, I think, I, I think they, I think they dig that.

Speaker 1 But no, I, I'm not like, like, and my son has been doing all of this like children's theater

Speaker 1 and I and I say it's like a children's theater group, but like the play that they did was about CBG, or the musical that they did was about CBGBs in like 1978. My son played Andy Warhol.

Speaker 1 It's for kids like fifth grade to seniors.

Speaker 1 And there were like fifth graders

Speaker 1 walking around with like fake whiskey glasses and fake stage cigarettes. Like,

Speaker 1 you know, like the Ramones were in it. Nobody doesn't like L.A.
Nobody doesn't like fucking L.A.

Speaker 1 My wife worked backstage for the show. And we have this picture of one of the kids, like, who's nervous about going on and was holding one of those fake cigarettes.

Speaker 1 And this is like a fucking sixth grader who was like pacing back and forth, like trying, like, running their lines.

Speaker 1 This is funny, I don't want them on a set, they're going to be exposed to shit that they shouldn't be exposed to.

Speaker 1 It's crazy.

Speaker 3 It's like, your dad probably smokes for sure.

Speaker 1 Like, you've seen this before. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Okay. A fun question.

Speaker 1 A fuck Mary Kill. I can't be a judge of that.
I think you'll love it. Okay.

Speaker 3 Fuck Mary Kill, a Maine lobster.

Speaker 1 Okay. Lobster roll.
Okay.

Speaker 3 Maine foliage.

Speaker 1 Oh, this is a good question already.

Speaker 3 Or making being from Maine your entire personality.

Speaker 1 For those of you who don't. He is from Maine.
He is from Maine. I am from Maine.
It'd be funny if you were to just.

Speaker 1 He's from Virginia, but we just want to ask him questions. About me.
So fuck Mary Kill, foliage, lobster roll.

Speaker 3 Or just making it

Speaker 1 personality. Maine.

Speaker 1 I'm going to kill making Maine your whole personality. It's a good one to go.
Although I feel like that does not mean that I'm not proud of the fact that I'm from there.

Speaker 1 I think we just need to, you know, it can't be your whole deal. For sure.

Speaker 1 I'm going to, that's kill. Yep.
Who are you fucking and who are you marrying? I'm going to fuck a lobster roll and I'm going to marry the fucking.

Speaker 1 That makes sense.

Speaker 1 So romantic, honestly.

Speaker 1 Also practical. And it's trying to think it makes sense.
Like lobster rolls are delicious. Like I love them.
Yeah, yeah. They're very natural also.
And you could fuck it if you really wanted to.

Speaker 1 And if you really wanted to.

Speaker 1 But there is like,

Speaker 1 they're not something that you really want to have all the time. It's like a twice a year special occasion.
Totally. It's rich.
Totally.

Speaker 1 It's rich. It's a lot of butter.
There's a really good place in Portland called the High Roller that we go because we go back every year to visit my family.

Speaker 1 So anyway, shout out the High Roller if you have

Speaker 1 Portland, Maine. Oh, I was definitely like, this doesn't correlate to Maine.
But okay, Portland, Oregon. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Portland, Maine. Okay.

Speaker 3 So you, and you go back there all the time and get a lot to roll?

Speaker 1 Yeah, we go back once a year to see my family because my whole family's still out there.

Speaker 1 So like, you know, we go and kind of like, we'll like try to get a like a little cabin on a lake or whatever and the whole family kind of comes in and runs around. The kids go out in the woods.

Speaker 1 Is that a direct flight from L.A.?

Speaker 1 God, no.

Speaker 1 No, we fly into Boston and drive up. My wife is a terrible flyer, too, so we could connect, but that is like, she's not good at it.

Speaker 4 So we're not going to.

Speaker 3 I don't like it. Yeah, I'm with her on that.
It being in the beginning of November, have y'all decorated for Christmas yet?

Speaker 1 We do decorate for Christmas, but we haven't done it yet. We just do all the fun fun stuff about Christmas and not the like going to church and believing in God part of it.
Of course.

Speaker 1 Pagan stuff. Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, we haven't. We just like we have taken the Halloween decorations down.

Speaker 3 Nice. Do you decorate for Thanksgiving?

Speaker 1 Are you those people? There are some fall

Speaker 1 stuff. There's a corn husk.
For sure. The corn.

Speaker 1 Cornucopia,

Speaker 1 the horn of plants. There's some fall leaves somewhere.
You know, you put up that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 Natalie hired hired my mom. I swear to God.
No. My mom, every once in a while, sends me fall leaves in the Maine.
No,

Speaker 1 I don't believe that, isn't that? That's why you're in the Mariam. Yeah, that's why I'm in the Mariam.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Natalie hired, I don't know.
What did I do? That's about you or me, or both. Natalie hired a company to

Speaker 1 decorate our house with Christmas lights before Halloween.

Speaker 3 On the outside of the house.

Speaker 1 Wait, you've already put them up?

Speaker 1 Oh my God.

Speaker 3 Before Halloween came, I was like, I am a Halloween hater.

Speaker 3 And so I am just, we're getting a start on Christmas. And I was like, text it, we have a group message for our neighborhood.
Texted the group message.

Speaker 3 They like to send when there's a solicitor going around.

Speaker 1 They're a little grumpy old ladies.

Speaker 3 And I responded with like,

Speaker 3 so sorry, I've already ruined the Halloween vibe, but like, my Christmas lights are up.

Speaker 1 Hope you all enjoy.

Speaker 1 They're turned on. They do go on.
4 p.m. to midnight.
They're out of timer.

Speaker 3 Wreaths, wreaths with red bows. We're in it.

Speaker 1 It looks nice. Trying to have a little embarrassment.
Oh, I'm not. I would never argue for a moment that it would look nice.
Can we just have one moment? We can have a moment. Just one moment.
We can.

Speaker 1 How are you feeling about that?

Speaker 1 It's a little much.

Speaker 1 It's a little bit. I don't know if I should feel emasculated that you.
No, no, no. I'm not saying that.
I'm just saying like. We thought I would ask you to climb on top of them.

Speaker 3 That wouldn't have gotten done until six years from now.

Speaker 1 I have definitely been asked to go up and hang them, and I like finally did on like December 23rd. And then they stayed up till April.
Exactly. So last year we actually did, we did hire the person.

Speaker 1 It's, you know, what?

Speaker 1 I mean, I hired.

Speaker 1 I mean, being a relatively first-time homeowner over the past few years, it was like, I didn't even, I forgot that it would, it was even a thing to get decorate my house for Christmas.

Speaker 1 Like, you know, we watched all the Christmas Cluck Griswolds growing up.

Speaker 1 And then I was like, wait, that, no, I'm not going to do that.

Speaker 3 It adds a special like magicalness.

Speaker 1 Then I realized I was kind of the humbug. You know, well, I don't think it's necessarily humbug.
Again, we're going to have a little quick moment. Yeah.
And this is not.

Speaker 1 Like, look, I'm very happy that you're happy. Thank you.
Just seems a touch, early.

Speaker 1 It seems a touch, early. You know, Natalie got us going and putting our Christmas tree up on November 1st.
And what?

Speaker 1 Wait, the Christmas tree is up? Oh, yeah. You did it before November.
I was going to say my stuff too last weekend. And honestly,

Speaker 1 I kind of like it. I mean,

Speaker 1 I love a Christmas tree. It's an island.
It's like survive. It's fake.
They're fake. Oh, it's a fake one.
Yeah. We have more.
I can't do real. Okay.

Speaker 3 Because I can't do real because I can't get them.

Speaker 1 It's not going to survive three months.

Speaker 1 Exactly.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, look, this is incredible. I fucking, what am I judging? I collect blu-rays.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 There is no, I am not judging. I think it's incredible.
We also do have like, we have like the Christmas tree upstairs, and then like in the TV room, we have a littler one.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, it brings a nice view.

Speaker 3 Did y'all do Elf on the Shelf for your kids? Did y'all have that?

Speaker 1 No, I think only because we were like just, we were trying to survive.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you guys don't have time to pull the toilet paper out and make it look like this elf on the shelf.

Speaker 1 Like, we're doing elaborate pranks. No, we're trying to keep like two actual fucking babies

Speaker 1 breathing till the end of the day.

Speaker 1 Nobody had a free hand to do that elf on the paper.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's valid. Well, thanks for coming back, Tim.
Guys, this has been so fun.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Other than Nobody Wants This, which is streaming now on Netflix season two. Check it out if you haven't.
If you've been living under a rock, I feel like everyone is watching it.

Speaker 1 Anything else you want to plug, promote, to other people? I would say, like, while she and I are still doing the podcast, it's called Second in Command.

Speaker 1 We

Speaker 1 watch, we invite people on, and they choose a movie that has a president or a vice president in it.

Speaker 1 And then we sort of examine the internal and external politics of the movie, like trying to figure out, like, was it representative of its time? Would this person have

Speaker 3 does it have to be a movie, or would you also also do scandal?

Speaker 1 The problem

Speaker 1 usually it's better with movies only because it's like a

Speaker 1 tall order. It's a tall order just to watch all these movies.
Have you done clear and present danger yet? Have you done clear and present danger yet? We have done clear and present danger.

Speaker 1 We're actually doing one later today for my date with the president's daughter. Yes, have you gotten decog original? I know about that one.

Speaker 1 This is, I mean, I am definitely feeling like a generation gap when I mention this movie.

Speaker 1 This is like, it has gotten a lot of that reaction from people younger than me and people my age are like, I truly don't know what the fuck that is. Have you done Dave?

Speaker 1 We have done Dave. There was a big discussion about how Sigourney Weaver seeing him naked,

Speaker 1 like, is Kevin Klein's penis noticeably different

Speaker 1 when he's in the shower scene? Do you know about Dave? Dave is a movie about a guy who looks like the president.

Speaker 1 The president dies while having sex with someone, having an affair, and then they insert him.

Speaker 1 Like, you know, for all the conspiracy theorists out there that is, you know, popping up these days, it is a, it's a, it's a lighthearted, fun conspiracy theory movie. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And so Kevin Klein is both playing the president who dies and then plays the guy, Dave, who then comes in to pretend he's the president. And Sigourney Weaver walks in on him taking a shower.

Speaker 1 She's the first lady. She's the first lady.
And there's this whole scene and everybody's like, does his dick look exactly the same? Like, wouldn't she know?

Speaker 1 And then you have to have the conversation like, they're estranged. Maybe they haven't had sex in a long time.

Speaker 1 Honestly, like.

Speaker 3 Maybe her eyes are always closed.

Speaker 1 Maybe. But just like, are there like, like, what are the differences in the pubes and body hair situations?

Speaker 1 And if you look identical in the face,

Speaker 1 is the penis also? Is the penis itself?

Speaker 1 What if he's not circumcised and the president was? Like, there are a lot of. Anyway, this is the kind of stuff that we have.

Speaker 4 These are really important political discussions to have.

Speaker 1 pretty much like dick based discussions second in command second in command wherever you get podcasts are there a lot of vice president movies there are some we've seen like a a a lot of times it's like

Speaker 1 all right if we put a president in here nobody would buy it but somebody would buy that a vice president would be there you know it's like a way of like raising states stakes without raising them too high we've watched a lot of president movies A lot of Gerard Butler.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we did all of the

Speaker 1 limbus has fallen. Jason Manzukas came on and was like, I'm doing all three of them.
So we had to like power watch all three of them in like two days. I'm like, I'm a Jerry Butler.

Speaker 1 I'm a Jerry Butler guy. Me too.
Den of Thieves. Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 We went to the horse racks with him. Not with him, but we were in the same group.
We were in the same group. Oh, up at Santa Anita? Yeah.
Oh, dope. How was that?

Speaker 3 It was actually very fun. And he looks very similar to he looks like a Jake Gyllenhaus.
No.

Speaker 1 He no Zach Galifinakis. It was like, is that a did Zachalifenakis have a glow up? And is he really oddly sexy in real life? Or is that Gerard Butler?

Speaker 1 He was wearing glasses, and I'm like, I don't know.

Speaker 1 That was the conversation we had. We're like, wait, is that is Gerard Butler on one or does Zach Galifenakis look amazing?

Speaker 1 Truly. It was like,

Speaker 1 always good to see you, buddy. Guys, this is awesome.
Thank you so much. All right, that'll do it for today's episode.

Speaker 1 Thank you to all our guests, Joe from Love is Blind, Miles Smith, and also Timothy Simons. We appreciate them all.
We appreciate you joining and listening to the show.

Speaker 1 Be sure to subscribe, tell all your friends, all that fun stuff.

Speaker 1 Don't forget to check out the Going Deeper episode of Sparkle, Megan, and Jordan that came out yesterday, as well as our interviews with Allie and Anton from Love is Blind and Shannon Bador on Tuesday's episode of Reality Recap.

Speaker 1 We'll see you next week. Bye-bye.

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