E1028 – Going Deeper with Sparkle Megan and Jordan: Love Is Blind Unpacked

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Speaker 1 So is it still Sparkle Megan or is that, are we still going by Spark Omegan?

Speaker 4 I don't think that name will ever lift me down, unfortunately.

Speaker 5 It's kind of crazy that like behind the scenes is that like there was just another Megan and like you needed to figure out a way to differentiate yourself.

Speaker 5 And then now it's like the media is like, oh, sparkle Megan, this, that, this.

Speaker 1 Well, sparkle Megan, Jordan, welcome to the show.

Speaker 3 Thank you. Thanks for having me.
Very excited to have you.

Speaker 1 Very excited to have you both. Thanks for both coming.

Speaker 1 Sometimes when we, you know, love to do the he said, she said versions, they're

Speaker 1 not on speaking terms. But you guys, did you guys take the same flight?

Speaker 3 I sure did. Okay.

Speaker 1 So you guys are clearly.

Speaker 5 Did you trade someone to sit beside each other? Yeah, did you sit

Speaker 3 down? Okay, you did not. Different rows.
All right.

Speaker 4 But we're like, man, the speculation is going to be crying.

Speaker 1 Any

Speaker 1 pre-game huddles prior to coming here?

Speaker 2 I mean, a little bit. We talked about just we, I think we're like one of the only couples not mudslinging, you know, and we really wanted to keep it that way.

Speaker 2 I think we still really just respect each other so much.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 2 And yeah, that's what, I mean, that's just who we are naturally.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, the next 90 minutes is

Speaker 3 mudslinging.

Speaker 3 If you want to get my name off your chest,

Speaker 3 it is a safe zone. Game on.
And we will...

Speaker 1 Let's just forget it happens.

Speaker 3 It's like what stays

Speaker 3 happens on the biofiles. We'll just leave it on the bottom.
It's like Vegas, kind of, you know?

Speaker 1 How did both people like you end up on Love is Blind? And what was your familiarity with the show prior to coming on?

Speaker 4 Yeah, so I applied.

Speaker 4 I had just gotten out of a relationship and, you know, that it was like, something is not working. You know, I've given everything else a a try.
So I figured it was a long shot, but here we are.

Speaker 3 Okay. And were you a fan?

Speaker 5 Like, had you watched, I'm sure you knew like what you were getting yourself.

Speaker 4 I had seen some. Yeah, I wouldn't say I was a fan.
I'm not like a huge reality TV person.

Speaker 4 But I'd seen it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I found out about it on this tinder date. And it was like the first 20 minutes of the date.
And she brought it up. And I was like, oh, the date's going so well.

Speaker 2 And then I'd never heard of the show or anything. And I told my friends about it.
And they're like, you really got to apply.

Speaker 2 And then that just kind of sat sat in the back of my mind for a couple of weeks because it was just like a long process. I'm just so selfish with my time.

Speaker 2 And then I applied and next thing you know, I'm there.

Speaker 1 So at your dinner date, who was

Speaker 1 the first Tinder date?

Speaker 2 And she said something. She's like, yeah, me and my friends are going to apply or blah, blah, blah.
And I was like, oh, that's weird.

Speaker 3 All right.

Speaker 5 So I'm not the one.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then she told you about it. You were like, my, my Tinder date.

Speaker 5 Did she? I'm guessing she wasn't casted.

Speaker 1 No, no. What a win for you.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 I don't know.

Speaker 2 I mean, she was a, she seemed super nice, but just not my person.

Speaker 1 Imagine the devastation her turning on this season.

Speaker 3 Be like, that is hilarious. Have you talked to her? No.

Speaker 3 I would be so curious.

Speaker 3 No, I have not.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, what was your guys' experience in the pods? It's always kind of fascinating to hear people's perspectives. We've talked to a few other people.

Speaker 1 I think it's what people, you know, it's a TV show. They have a limited time, but it's always fascinating to sometimes learn that there were other relationships or other conversations.

Speaker 1 Sometimes you get to see that, like Allie and Anton. Anton was like, yeah, like I had a whole relationship up until proposal day.

Speaker 1 And it seems like him and Allie fell in love on the first day.

Speaker 1 Well, I know you guys kind of, there were some love triangles, but like remind us about your pot experiences and what that was like.

Speaker 4 It was funny. We ranked each other 12 on the first day.
12. Yeah.

Speaker 4 So the first day you date.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 4 The first day you date, there was 16 guys and 16 girls this season. So first day you date everybody for 10 minutes and then at the end of the day, rank everybody.

Speaker 4 So I think, you know, Jordan came in hot saying like, hey, I'm a dad. I had a vasectomy, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 3 And I was like, whoa, that was interesting.

Speaker 4 And then I think my sparkle meg thing turned him off.

Speaker 3 It did, which I appreciated.

Speaker 3 I said, not me. Totally fair.
Totally fair.

Speaker 4 But yeah, I think just the way the algorithm shakes out, we just kept getting mashed. And then like, as each day went on, we were like, hey, I think there's there's something here.

Speaker 1 What about that? I'm curious

Speaker 1 for both of you, taught you about how you guys look for love. I guess, you know, following your guys's breakup, and you guys went out into the real world.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's kind of fascinating because to be like 12th on your list and keep meeting and keep meeting.

Speaker 1 And then I know you guys didn't end up together, but there seemed to be a real mutual, like something good there. There was a relationship that, you know, I think as viewers, we all believed in.

Speaker 3 Yeah. So I guess, I think,

Speaker 2 you know, we're both kind of into like the universe push us in that direction.

Speaker 2 I'm not super into the woo-woo stuff, but yeah, it was just, again, the odds that we get cast on this TV show. Like, who knows how many people apply, right?

Speaker 2 And then the fact that there's 16 people, 16 guys, 16 girls, and then the fact that you just. like we fell so hard in love with each other.

Speaker 2 It just kept just getting like more and more, you know, like statistically impossible.

Speaker 4 It taught me certainly.

Speaker 4 And so we would get pep talks every day from Chris, the creator, and he, you know, encouraging us to like not choose what we've always gone for and to get outside of our comfort zone.

Speaker 4 And like, I think for me, especially that hit hard because I was like, you know, the mics of the world, that was who I had always dated.

Speaker 4 And so every pep talk that we got from Chris.

Speaker 4 It like really resonated.

Speaker 4 And I think especially as Jordan and I continued to see each other and date, you know, I was like, man, man, I, this is the kind of guy that I probably never have gone for in the real world, but like, this is the guy you marry.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I guess that's kind of what I meant. Cause outside of the pods, did either of you,

Speaker 1 when you started dating again, did you, either of you lean into being open to trying something that didn't instantly, you know?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think since we both ranked each other number 12, you know, I think we, the fact that we had a second date just so blows my mind.

Speaker 2 Cause they use some form of algorithm i guess that they match organ donors with i forget what it's called but it's like very it's very

Speaker 2 yeah yeah very like scientific and intentional hopefully that's not a production secret but yeah so it's just it was crazy that again we're number 12 and i think we're so different but so similar in the same facet that we just kept on going i felt like Megan, you talked a lot about your dad and kind of like Luca and your dad and kind of how you felt like maybe he put Jordan in your life for a reason.

Speaker 5 Do you feel like that is kind of like what pushed you to choose Jordan in the end?

Speaker 4 I would say it was a piece of it. I think there's a lot of commentary online that people are like, oh my God, all they talk about is diabetes.
And like that was played up a little bit.

Speaker 4 Like I, I, for sure, like it was a consideration for me. And like, I'm probably bigger into the woo-woo things than Jordan is.

Speaker 4 But just similarly, like another sign from the universe that I, I was paying attention to for sure.

Speaker 5 Well, I mean, it's also also clearly a huge part of your life, Jordan.

Speaker 5 And then you, you went through something so traumatic with your father that like, why, yeah, why wouldn't you talk about it, you know? Yeah.

Speaker 3 Um, and it's not your fault they edited the way they did, you know?

Speaker 1 But yeah, was there anything in the pods that like we didn't get to see?

Speaker 1 I think a lot of people speaking of edits and how they choose to like lean into a storyline and it can be, you know, reality TV is really great at just like, hammering in a narrative.

Speaker 1 And there's this like, yeah, well, like, there was this really cool moment.

Speaker 1 Maybe, you know, listen what what you got what meant something to you maybe the producer's just like i don't know that's kind of boring or whatever but like are there moments whether it's on your individual journeys or as as a couple we didn't get to see that you wish the audience would have been able to i don't know i think they did a good job putting like the main focus points on our story but i mean also it was so long ago you know it's a whole nother life they filmed i don't know if netflix will ever wait that long from production to releasing it again because how long was it?

Speaker 1 A year and a half.

Speaker 2 It was like a year and a half. So there's just a lot of I don't remember going on.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I feel like that's like what's so hard about the reunion is that everyone is like trying to put themselves back in that.

Speaker 5 And I think we saw it a lot with KB and Edmund of like him just being like, I don't remember that that way. And it's like, that's valid.
It was a year and a half ago.

Speaker 5 And like, I'm sure so much has gone on.

Speaker 1 Did you feel like anyone was performing at the reunion?

Speaker 3 No comment.

Speaker 2 I'm not, I love all my castmates. I don't, I don't want to, everyone's uniquely themselves, and I appreciate that.

Speaker 5 I mean, I feel like there was a little bit of a pile on on Casey, was my personal opinion. I know.

Speaker 5 Do you feel like you're probably the closest with her out of all the other girls?

Speaker 4 I'm not if I'm the closest, but yeah, I mean, I think it was a little unfair that she was getting so much hate. And like,

Speaker 4 truthfully, I think that some girls ganged up on her a little bit. You know, she's human.

Speaker 3 We're all human.

Speaker 4 And, like, yeah, did she screw up on some things? Absolutely.

Speaker 3 But I, yeah, I think people are being a little harsh.

Speaker 2 I feel like they were there was also a lot of talk about the like pool party or something that also i feel like was that pool party wasn't even that fun i don't know it wasn't that dramatic from there yeah i don't it was just uh a bunch of the cast people hanging out i've i don't know where all these allegations or whatever are coming from but two paws on brendan's chest and there was crying in the corner i don't remember any of that yeah i mean i was like doing my own thing but i don't remember it being that dramatic so i don't know why that keeps coming back up because it was just a pool party yeah

Speaker 1 so what is it like I mean when first of all I mean the reveal we had a chance not too long ago to go see the pods and got the tour and we we we stood in the reveal the reveal area what a trippy crazy place but I mean just I'm curious your guys's expectations

Speaker 1 did you have an idea in your head what the other person looked like did how do you how do you how do you do that like how do you yeah so Jordan I mean I felt like we were pretty good the whole time about keeping like talk about physical appearance out of it.

Speaker 4 I think tattoos was like the only question that I specifically asked that was like a physical marker. And he even said, I've, oh, I've got a couple small.

Speaker 5 And was that because what, did Mike say something about his tattoos? Or did you just have like a random

Speaker 4 after the fact he did like throw something in there, but like I wouldn't have known it was connected to, to Jordan.

Speaker 4 But he would throw, just in like normal conversation, he would throw some like funny things in there, like, oh, you know, I'm, I'm five, seven, I'm a skinny skater kid.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, I would just fit.

Speaker 3 I was really thrilled. I was really trying to lean into the whole experiment.
Yeah. And so I was like,

Speaker 4 I think going into the reveal, I literally prepared myself. I was like, he's going to be a total gremlin.
Like,

Speaker 3 for the worst. Yeah.

Speaker 4 For the worse. Well, because like, I can't hide my feelings.

Speaker 4 And so I was just like, all right. Like, I don't know.
And so I think I was like very pleasantly surprised.

Speaker 4 And like, when you're standing in front of that reveal door, there's like a tiny little sliver because you're backlit by all these lights.

Speaker 4 And there's this tiny little sliver that I could like see his shadow through.

Speaker 3 And I was like, okay, he's tall. He's got a silhouette.

Speaker 4 He's got hair, like a big head of hair.

Speaker 2 Yeah. They're going to change that next season.

Speaker 3 Completely blackout.

Speaker 2 And they make you stand there for like five minutes or something. Yeah.

Speaker 3 And they're like,

Speaker 3 the lights are on.

Speaker 4 The lights are off. And you're like, Jesus, show me

Speaker 2 how much time are you actually spending talking before they pull you guys away again 20 minutes i think it was no it was a super weird time was like 17 or something seven it was like a very i don't know how they calculated this amount of time but it was like 17 or 18 or 19.

Speaker 2 yeah but it was like an odd number to go through that with but i think like ours was cool you know the other couples i feel like you can sense like the awkwardness and the tension but with us like he had pictures of luca and like i don't know like i was was expecting it to be a lot weirder than it was but it just felt yeah no it's so natural because you just spend so much time in the pods having like the most intimate conversations like i don't think people realize how much time you spend together yeah which was also why i was so comfortable introducing my son to the whole thing just because like i feel like megan knows me more than you know me better than most people on this planet right and i it's probably vice versa but again it's so intentional with like the guided questions and you're just you're dating in the morning sometimes i don't know like i think there was one date we spent eight hours or something in the pods.

Speaker 2 And you're just like having these deep conversations. You're laughing.
You're crying.

Speaker 5 Was there a certain question that like,

Speaker 5 I know you're in a relationship.

Speaker 3 Are you in a relationship, Jordan?

Speaker 5 No, you're not. Is there a question that you would take from the Love is Wine process into like a dating environment?

Speaker 2 Maybe not like a particular question, but like the strategy of just being hyper intentional, you know, like I really like how they had the guided questions and, you know, no one told you what to do.

Speaker 2 Sometimes you could just freestyle and then sometimes there might be like a like a dip in conversation and you could just um open your little notebook and you know have eight hours to talk about something so it was very cool how they do it like they truly wanted to work out and you so we know Megan you were between Mike Jordan and Blake was like your three that we saw who else were you talking to Jordan

Speaker 2 so I think I was it was just Casey up until the last few days Oh, okay.

Speaker 4 Yeah. So there was a moment where, because all us girls, I think same with you guys, like we kept pretty quiet in the lounge and so like

Speaker 4 i don't know i think i've seen other seasons to know like don't show your cards right but there was a moment where casey and i i kind of put two and two together and i thought we were in a love square with like me her mike and jordan Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 And I was like, oh, man.

Speaker 4 Cause she said something about Luca like pretty far into the process. And I was like, oh,

Speaker 3 this sucks.

Speaker 1 So what stopped you from? Because you were like planning on friend zoning Jordan for a minute. What stopped you? Like, what was the thing that made you reconsider that?

Speaker 4 There was one date specifically that, you know, and I think I even walked out of that and it was shown like it totally changed for me.

Speaker 4 And I think, just like, I don't know, we like, we just started to really click and it was easy and it was fun. And yeah, I think we were just,

Speaker 4 it was easy.

Speaker 1 It was fun.

Speaker 4 And then I think like concurrently, you know, the opposite was happening with Mike. He was starting to show some sides of him that I was like, red flag, red flag, red flag.

Speaker 4 And so, yeah, there was a date where a day pretty far in where you give each other gifts and they intentionally have you bring two.

Speaker 4 So if you're like down to two connections, each one of them gets one.

Speaker 3 What were your gifts? Oh, man.

Speaker 4 It was like my favorite things.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it was a, it was like a travel travel guide type thing with like a polaroid camera which got stolen out of my car fuck you ever did that it was stolen out of your car

Speaker 2 they also stole canned chicken out of there so i was like you know what you probably need

Speaker 4 and you're gonna take some photos yeah so i remember specifically that day

Speaker 4 that day i was like do not give mike any of my gifts jordan gets all the gifts like do you remember what he gave you yeah uh he gave me a locket with Yeah, it was like a cute little heart locket.

Speaker 4 But then it was funny. I was like, well, what do you want me to put in here? And he was like, I don't know, you can put a picture of my parents.

Speaker 3 You can take any if you want.

Speaker 1 You guys have mentioned a few times, even here, that you're like the opposite of each other's type in the pods. You know, we'll get into the whole like money dynamic.

Speaker 1 That was a big part of your guys's storyline, but that aside, I mean, what, what do you guys mean? Because honestly, when I was like, you see, when we're watching you guys,

Speaker 3 I don't see that. You know, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 I think it was the lifestyle, but you put us into the same room, or you put us in the pods. I mean, we're talking all day long, and I think we're laughing the same jokes.

Speaker 2 It's just, yeah, the lifestyle. So

Speaker 2 it does drive me nuts when you say that.

Speaker 4 No, and I don't mean that.

Speaker 4 I think we, I talked about this during when we were together. It's like, I don't think we would ever be in the same

Speaker 3 way.

Speaker 4 I feel like we would have, yeah, we would have, we would never even cross paths in real life.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but that doesn't make us different.

Speaker 3 I know. That doesn't make us different.

Speaker 3 True.

Speaker 5 I don't know if you saw or not, but they were some things that came out about Mike.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I'm just curious if, if you had seen any of those and if, like, that, because I know you went on a date with him after filming, right?

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 4 I would say, again, like, dates are very generous.

Speaker 3 Coffee.

Speaker 4 Not even. Like, there was, I was out with two of my friends that are couples and he came and joined us.
So, like,

Speaker 4 not sure what that is.

Speaker 3 A group hang.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 4 And then one I would classify as a date, but erroneous.

Speaker 5 What was the point? Did you see those? And what was your reaction? Were you shocked? Were you like, I can see it?

Speaker 4 Yes, I did see the comments. I don't know.
I mean, again, like, I feel like people, when you're kind of put in the public space, are quick to say anything. So I don't know.

Speaker 5 And then you, were you in the room when Nick came in and Brendan was like, kind of crying over Annie and Nick came in?

Speaker 5 No, so

Speaker 2 we, I think that's when we just got engaged and I was like, wow, this is sick. I'm going to get super drunk.
So I got super drunk. The next thing you know, I was out of there.

Speaker 2 I don't know what happened.

Speaker 1 Is that when Joe got hammered?

Speaker 2 I mean, which day of the week?

Speaker 3 He was Joe got hammered.

Speaker 2 That's my dog.

Speaker 3 But yeah,

Speaker 2 I don't remember. Yeah, they took me to some like tent to sit there by myself.
And I was just like, ah, this is, I wish I wasn't drunk right now. But I was just celebrating.

Speaker 2 And I think me being drunk and silly was not

Speaker 2 what they wanted to see in regards to the drama happening in the lounge.

Speaker 4 So they did say our cast was like the most boozy cast. Like they had to take booze away from us multiple times, apparently.

Speaker 1 Wow. Some more than others.

Speaker 2 It's very, I thought it was very important to introduce alcohol to the experiment because like that was one of the things that kind of me and Casey got into it a little bit is I felt like she would drink and then talk to me slightly different.

Speaker 2 And I was like, I want to, I want to drink a bottle of wine and eat, you know, lasagna with my wife and not have any sort of disputes.

Speaker 1 I think someone who is a woman who can't hold her liquor is the biggest ick for me.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I mean, I can't, I do okay, but

Speaker 3 I just think it's a real thing. I mean, we've all been real sauce.
Hey, in Mexico, we all got real sauce.

Speaker 4 But that's the thing.

Speaker 2 I don't drink. I don't drink a lot, but when I do drink, I'm trying to get like,

Speaker 5 I mean, that totally makes sense of like, if you're going to marry this person, you need to see them.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you want to experience how they are when they're because, yeah, the conversations just turn, you know, sour for no reason sometimes.

Speaker 5 which was

Speaker 5 the night in Baja with him and Joe doing their back and forth. Was that the first time you, I'm guessing, had seen him drunk?

Speaker 6 Super drunk, probably. Yeah,

Speaker 4 I mean, we, yeah, that was the second day we were together in person, I think.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but that was also the first time she's seen me joke around with my boys like that. And yeah, and yeah, I apologize.
I was super out left field. I'm sure that was culture shock to the max.

Speaker 2 And they edited a lot. I was saying some wildly inappropriate stuff.

Speaker 3 So they shout out to the editors. Yeah, the editors.

Speaker 2 I'm just, I want to be all open, honest, and transparent. Like, my, I've been working blue collar my entire life.

Speaker 2 So it's just making the worst jokes, the most inappropriate jokes to make, you know, your boys in the field laugh. So she was just getting the taste of that.

Speaker 5 Okay, so when you watched it back, you weren't like, damn, Joe's kind of being mean to me.

Speaker 2 No, not really. Again, I have thick skin.
The guys in the blue collar field, like, yeah, they are mean to you. So Joe is just being, yeah, he was teasing me a little bit.

Speaker 1 Remind me what you do again for work.

Speaker 2 So I was working, I like oversee maintenance contracts essentially. So for like a logistical, logistical equipment, like semi-trucks, trailers, box trucks, and things of that nature.

Speaker 2 So yeah, I just had this huge maintenance department and I would just get things fixed when they broke and get yelled at. You're not doing that anymore?

Speaker 2 So, I mean, I currently do just for a different company.

Speaker 3 And Luca, how old is he?

Speaker 5 Six and a half. Six and a half.
And what was, what is your relationship like with his mom?

Speaker 2 Super good. Yeah.
We have like a blended family. Luca has, I don't want to call her like a half sister, but he has a sister with, you know, Luca's stepdad.

Speaker 2 And we're, we're very, I wouldn't say we're like overly close, but I think we're closer to them than most people in our situation.

Speaker 1 What was that process like telling his mom that you were going on Love is Blind?

Speaker 2 Yeah, so I was just super honest that I was going to apply. And she was like, all right, cool.
And then the next day, I literally applied and had a casting person hit me up the next day.

Speaker 2 And I think we were both like, you're going to go on. But she was just very concerned that I was going to get villainized due to my like tattoos and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 So she was.

Speaker 3 Jokes on her. Yeah, jokes on her.

Speaker 3 She's the angel chat. Yeah, no.

Speaker 1 Visectomy.

Speaker 3 I think a lot of people were

Speaker 3 visectomy.

Speaker 1 I think a lot of people just caught off guard that you had one at was like 25

Speaker 1 after one kid.

Speaker 1 I mean, the joke was basically like, wow, like, he must have really hated that. Like, how did you come to make that decision after having one and being a young man?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, so, like, truthfully, I never wanted kids growing up, which there's nothing wrong with that. And I had my accidental son, which is the best thing that's ever happened.

Speaker 2 And I just decided it's just not a mistake that I think I want to make again.

Speaker 2 Not to call him a mistake, but he was a happy accident, right? And I just wanted to make, I just wanted to make sure I was the one being responsible, right?

Speaker 2 Because again, the hormones and birth control and stuff, I just like. The guys are always just like, oh, I can do whatever I want, you know, and it's, I was just trying to be more responsible.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 5 Yeah. And Megan, did you feel like that, like hearing that he had a vasectomy? I guess, what was your reaction to that?

Speaker 4 Yeah. So, I mean, that's why, like, the first day when he came in and said that, I was like, ooh, like, because I have always wanted kids.

Speaker 4 And I, you know, I'm not very well versed on the, you know, how easily that's reversed and the success rate and everything like that. So I was like, yeah,

Speaker 4 like, I want my own kids.

Speaker 3 I don't know, but I love that.

Speaker 5 And then you, I feel like it. made a little bit more sense.

Speaker 5 And I feel like, and correct me if I'm wrong, maybe attracted you a little bit more to him when he was like, listen, women have to take birth control. I'm doing my part.
So like women don't have to.

Speaker 5 Did that change?

Speaker 4 And so we had this same conversation in the pods. Like, why did you do it? Would you get it reversed? Would you have more kids?

Speaker 4 And once I got comfortable with that, and you know, he would get it reversed. He would have more kids.

Speaker 4 It was fine. But yeah, that first day I was like, whoa, shit.

Speaker 3 Yeah. I'm scared.

Speaker 2 I told everyone like the first date. I just tried to lay it.
Cause if my person's not there, I was trying to get the fuck out of there, you know? Totally.

Speaker 5 So you were always no matter what. And is that how you treat dates off camera in general?

Speaker 2 So I do now, but like, yeah, before I just was not being intentional. I was projecting a lot and

Speaker 3 no pun intended.

Speaker 3 Ejecting a lot. My bad.
That's crazy. Oh, the joke.

Speaker 2 There's no, there's no off button, unfortunately. But yeah, it just, I wasn't being intentional, truthfully.
But now it's,

Speaker 2 I, I'm, I mean, obviously everyone knows my business now, so there's no hiding anything, but yeah, it's just I try to be very open and honest about what I'm looking for.

Speaker 1 Does this show in any way or the conversations you had with Megan about having kids?

Speaker 1 Like if you and I don't know if you're looking, but if you like were to meet someone and decide that you want to spend a lifetime with them, do you feel like you're more open to having more children or or not based off of this experience or Luca in general?

Speaker 2 Yeah, so I don't know if I'd want more of my own, but I feel very strongly about like adopting or fostering because there's just tons of kids in need.

Speaker 2 So I like already have a little piece of me.

Speaker 1 But what if you, you know, like with the Megan situation. So if I meet someone that's like and she's just like, listen, like, I really want to have at least two.

Speaker 2 I'm not hard to convince. So

Speaker 3 I'll be honest. Twist my arms.

Speaker 3 Chris.

Speaker 1 So it's not your thing, but you're not like a.

Speaker 2 So I would love to have another kid. It's just, again, like, I don't want to have a kid out of like selfishness.

Speaker 2 I want it it to be obviously like a collective agreement, something that's like planned this go around.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's interesting because obviously you've spoken so glowingly about your son and the joy he brings to your life, but it sounds like

Speaker 1 you said, he wasn't planned.

Speaker 1 How old were you at the time when you had him?

Speaker 2 I was like 25.

Speaker 1 For a young man, it's a pretty scary time. Like, how well did you, did you even know his mom that well?

Speaker 2 Not very well. I mean, we probably were dating like three or four months when you were doing that.
So

Speaker 1 what was that like? I mean, that must have been a fairly nerve-wracking experience.

Speaker 2 You know, I guess you'd think that, but I just, I was so fortunate in my career. Like, I skipped college.
I just went straight into, I was a mechanic for a long time.

Speaker 2 I was just making really good money. I've just always been like kind of a penny pincher.
And I just felt so when she told me, it was like, all right, well, like, let's do this, you know?

Speaker 2 So I just, again, was so fortunate that maybe that was just my mindset, but I was never scared or whatever. I was just like, all right, we're doing this.

Speaker 5 And how old was he when you found out he had diabetes?

Speaker 2 He was two when he was diagnosed. Two.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Okay, wow.
And how is he today?

Speaker 2 He's amazing. Yeah, he's doing so good.
Thank you.

Speaker 5 Are you going to show him the show?

Speaker 2 Not yet. Too many potty words in there for him, but I would love for him to see it when he's older.

Speaker 1 How did you find out? Did you just random phone call? Were you dating?

Speaker 2 Yeah, that was kind of, I mean, it was like a really rocky relationship. And she just called me and said, hey, like, I took a pregnancy test and it's positive.

Speaker 2 And I was like, okay, like, I don't know what we do from here, but let's figure it out.

Speaker 1 So you're right away, you're just like offering her whatever support she needs.

Speaker 2 Yeah, no, 100%.

Speaker 2 I said, let's at least try, you know, let's try to make this work.

Speaker 5 And what was your parents' reaction? Were they like,

Speaker 2 my parents are very conservative people, and they were like, you need to get married to her?

Speaker 3 And I said, I'm okay.

Speaker 3 I said, I'm good.

Speaker 2 Get on that. We'll give this

Speaker 2 a go.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 2 No, his mom.

Speaker 1 I appreciate that just because, like, you know, there's always like a lot of conversations that can be polarizing around this topic.

Speaker 1 But, like, as a man, like, it's great that you did your part to make her feel like she had your support because I think a lot of times women in those positions can feel very alone and very isolated, especially if they don't have a relationship or rapport with the guy they got pregnant with.

Speaker 1 And they really feel like they're being told like they're on an island.

Speaker 2 I don't want you to put me on a pedestal because I definitely, if I could have got a do like a redo, I did not treat her the way I should have.

Speaker 2 I was very like, oh, like you got pregnant, like this is your responsibility. It's a very immature mindset, you know, like one time she asked me to rub her feet and I told her no.

Speaker 2 Going back, like terrible, right?

Speaker 3 But I try to be big on accountability.

Speaker 2 And again, I was, I was a young man. I've made a million mistakes.
I'm going to make a million more, but I really wish I could have treated her just a lot better.

Speaker 1 I appreciate the self-awareness and thanks for being so honest about that.

Speaker 1 But I, you know, and again, not, I'm not trying to put you on a pedestal, but I just think there's a lot of times in those situations, you know, there's one thing to not get a foot rub and there's another thing to just be like, I'm literally alone and I don't know how to, you know, there are a lot of women out there who may want to move forward and have this child, but truly feel like they can't, you know, and they don't have the means to do that.

Speaker 3 And yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 Maybe I'm just too self-critical sometimes, but yeah, I just. Yeah, sure.

Speaker 1 Rubber feet next time.

Speaker 3 I'm going to step it up.

Speaker 2 But I like that, man.

Speaker 3 Lucas did that, I should say.

Speaker 2 No, we're just, we're strictly friends now.

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Speaker 1 What is it like when you guys go from the pods?

Speaker 1 I think the weirdest part, and I think a lot of people's favorite part of Love is Blind is that vacation or whatever, whatever you want to call it, where you're immediately thrusted in

Speaker 1 to living together. And there's like, you know, there's nerves.
There's probably a lot of sexual tension. It's like, should we fuck?

Speaker 3 I don't know.

Speaker 1 Is it weird if we do?

Speaker 1 Like, I don't, like, what, what, how did you guys transition from having this incredible amount of rapport through the pods and these conversations where you open up in ways you've never opened up before, but simultaneously feeling like

Speaker 1 I just met you yesterday.

Speaker 1 How did you guys navigate that kind of weirdness?

Speaker 4 I thought it was pretty seamless. I mean, I think that first day or night in Baja, like, of course, it's a little awkward, but you're also getting used to

Speaker 4 a camera crew around you. And like, I think that was the biggest adjustment because like we're trying to have these like, you know, intimate moments, not even intimate moments, but just like moments.

Speaker 4 snuggling or whatever yeah and there's a camera yeah and like so i think that was the probably the biggest adjustment we were trying to outsmart them one time we're like oh let's just say we're getting in the pool so they take the mics off of us and then the fucking whole boom comes out

Speaker 3 you know we were just like uh if we take our mics off there what are they gonna do well they're gonna get the audio guy with the boom yeah

Speaker 4 no but i didn't think it like

Speaker 2 I thought it was pretty no, yeah, I think it was very like natural and organic. Yeah, just like she said, seamless for sure.

Speaker 5 And I know that y'all are prompted to have the like sex conversation in the pods. So I guess going into your, what are they, what are we calling it?

Speaker 3 Baja? Baja. Vacation.
Yeah. Honeymoon.
Okay.

Speaker 5 Going into Baja, like, were y'all on the same page of like, hey, we're going to sleep in the same bed?

Speaker 2 Yeah, she asked me in the pods. She's like, are we going to consummate?

Speaker 3 Consummate? Isn't that what you said? Consummate.

Speaker 2 Consummate, whatever. But I said, I don't even know what that word means.

Speaker 3 She said, are we going to have sex? I was like, yeah.

Speaker 3 I said, If you're down,

Speaker 3 please.

Speaker 2 I've been like, Yeah, around whatever, how many dudes, just the whole time.

Speaker 5 No phone, no radio, no, just did y'all become like friends with the cameraman or

Speaker 5 mic guys because you're just like, Hey, Todd.

Speaker 2 Yeah, because we got a crew. So, especially when we were in Denver, we had like an assigned crew.
We got, we got pretty close to them.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I suppose it's not too much different than meeting someone long distance and having a lot of conversations on the phone. I mean, you will, you would know what they look like.
Right.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.
No, it wasn't, it wasn't weird for me.

Speaker 4 I think just the time frame.

Speaker 2 Yeah, the time frame's pretty accelerated.

Speaker 5 How long is it in total again?

Speaker 3 It's like

Speaker 2 pods for 10 days.

Speaker 4 10 days. And then, you know, Baja's a week.
And then real life is

Speaker 3 four weeks.

Speaker 3 Four and a half weeks. It's crazy.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So obviously back to your guys' main storyline, the, you know, lifestyles, let's just call it.
I guess I'm just, well, first of all, what current car do you drive?

Speaker 4 drive why is this such a big deal

Speaker 3 because you guys made it a big deal

Speaker 2 they definitely clipped it to be a big deal

Speaker 2 i think i asked that's that was like an our inside joke you know and they turned it into something where we would just like say to make it laugh right i knew it would be like you would tickle her a little bit um yeah

Speaker 4 that was definitely like they spun that they spun that hard married someone on our team was like it's a cyber truck for sure oh god they didn't even have cyber trucks that's all it's not like it's not even that cool i don't even know why it's i think it was just one of those things like in my mind i was like i just don't even want to say because i despite what's being shown and what people are talking about like oh she just talks about money all the time i'm like i thought i was going into it being very conscious about like if anything i want to like hold that close to my chest and yeah the way they spun it obviously was not the case if you would have just said the kind of car it would have been it just would have blown over true yeah it was like the mystery it's only it's a range rover okay it's like the mystery behind

Speaker 3 Lake's Range Rover.

Speaker 4 Yeah, not a big deal.

Speaker 5 But it was a fun game for everyone to try to figure out.

Speaker 2 Yeah, no, 100%.

Speaker 2 That's what it was to us. It was literally just a game, nothing more.
I wasn't trying to, you know, figure out how much money she had.

Speaker 2 It was never truly about the money. I don't think we really, I didn't find out about like the money money until we were in Mexico.
I think.

Speaker 3 And when you say money money, like, wait, are we rich?

Speaker 3 Are we rich? We is great.

Speaker 4 I've done well. I mean,

Speaker 4 I'm not like, you know, billionaire rich, but

Speaker 3 at least one. I'm just one level under.

Speaker 4 No, I mean, I've married.

Speaker 4 I'm proud of what I've done.

Speaker 4 It's certainly not like can't work the rest of my life rich, but and you're self-made.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Pretty incredible.

Speaker 4 Which is, there's a lot of funny commentary too.

Speaker 3 Like, oh,

Speaker 4 her dad died and she took over his business. I'm like, my, my dad was not like, he had his own marketing thing, but like, one, I don't never did marketing.
Two, never took over that business.

Speaker 4 Like, what did you do?

Speaker 3 How'd you make your millions? Oil and gas. Yeah.

Speaker 3 There's money in oil and gas. Comedy.

Speaker 5 Everyone needs it.

Speaker 1 How does one get into oil and gas?

Speaker 4 So I had just straight out of college, my, I was like phishing my resume out to all my friends' parents. And one of my friends in Denver, her dad was an exec at a.
company there.

Speaker 4 So he got me in as an admin. And then I just worked my way up.
And like two years into being at the first company, I got recruited over to a startup. So I had equity in the company, which

Speaker 4 that was the game changer. Cause like, truthfully, I mean, my salary was never anything,

Speaker 1 anything sizable. So the startup got bought out.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Twice.

Speaker 4 So we basically we would flip oil and gas assets like you would a house. So we'd go in, you know, buy or lease up some land, drill a couple holes, prove that there's oil there.

Speaker 4 And then, you know, your shells or Exxons or, you know, in our case, Devin, they came in and bought the whole company. So.

Speaker 5 And then what is it that you do now?

Speaker 4 Yeah. So during the show, I was working on starting like a health and wellness business here in LA.
Oh, yeah, because you have a place.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 I had a place.

Speaker 4 We sold it. Yeah.
So, but then I moved back to Denver and I just, it was like way too much. So my partners are still running with it, but I've stepped away.

Speaker 5 And do you think you'll find yourself back in it at some point, or are you like fully fully removed?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I thought it was a really interesting, I was fascinated with your guys's relationship.

Speaker 1 Obviously, as individuals, it was easy to root for you both, and as a couple, it was nice to root for, but like, you know, I am curious just because, like, I think there's a lot of conversations around how your relationship was portrayed.

Speaker 1 Um, you know, as a woman, you were independently successful millionaire,

Speaker 1 and but like, again, I don't know what's true or what was narratives were pushed, but

Speaker 1 as a viewer and as a fan,

Speaker 1 like, I appreciate you guys opening up, but it, you know, it almost seemed like you talked a lot about your money in a way that might make Jordan feel a certain way. And it was almost as if you

Speaker 1 talked about her money in a way. that would make her feel a certain type of way.

Speaker 1 Like, you almost, you know, like, you know, I'm, I'm, as a viewer and as a fan, I'm thinking, like, why can't they work past this?

Speaker 1 Like, why, why are are both of them making it such a big deal or a point of insecurity? Does that, does that make sense?

Speaker 4 For me, I don't think it was like the money thing. Like,

Speaker 4 and that's where even like you're saying as a viewer, that's how it came off. And I think that's where I'm getting a little frustrated.

Speaker 4 I think it was just more the lifestyle things in general, but I know it's kind of like convoluted then because like having money, it's allowed me to have the lifestyle that I live.

Speaker 2 So I never thought it was about the money, right? I think we talked about money a couple of times and then we were like, we were talking to prenup attorneys and stuff.

Speaker 2 So everyone knew exactly how much money everyone had. But I think for me and for Megan, it came out to like time.
Like I just didn't have the time that she needed. Nothing wrong with that.

Speaker 2 Totally fine. But I just, I was just grinding the entire time.

Speaker 2 And then so I would love to play golf or I would love to play tennis. It's just like with my, with how my life is structured, being a single parent, it was not,

Speaker 2 there was no time for me to do that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So it's almost as if like you were, you know, after selling or being a part of some kind of bio like you were, yeah, you can almost be like on like semi-retirement mode.

Speaker 1 Is that kind of where you were at when you went on the show?

Speaker 4 A little bit. I mean, I was, I, it's given me the flexibility to do what I want.
So I was working on starting that business and that, you know, again, my partner's arounding with that.

Speaker 4 I'm not in it any longer. But yeah, it's given me the flexibility.

Speaker 1 Well, I was just, I mean, again, like, I, I'm trying to be like, obviously, like time has passed. You guys aren't in a relationship.
You are, well, you're not in a relationship together.

Speaker 1 You're in a relationship with someone else. So I want to be respectful to all that because it's not like I'm guessing, like, no regrets.

Speaker 3 Unless. Yeah.

Speaker 3 No. And,

Speaker 4 yeah, but I think, like, and this is where, you know, I think had I been 110%

Speaker 4 and gone through with it, like. I would have easily been like, fuck yeah, quit your job.
Like, let's do this. I'll cover us until we can both get there.

Speaker 2 That was never a conversation, by the way. I think I never, I never wanted to be a sugar baby.

Speaker 4 I never wanted any, I've like, I, I like, no, and I, I knew that about you, but I, I'm saying, like, if it came down to it, like, I would have no issue doing that.

Speaker 1 I mean, how much did you want to travel?

Speaker 4 Not even that much. But I think that was like, you know, there was an Italy trip on the forefront when we were speaking about it.
Yeah. And like a few other things.
And it was like

Speaker 4 he couldn't come. And respectfully so, because he couldn't, you know, he took three weeks off for.

Speaker 4 the pods and whatever and like he just didn't have any time but i think that was like you know i get it but it was also a little bit of a bummer because i'm like man like here i'm doing this i'm i want my husband to be able to come travel with me and and do all the things and like i've been doing all these things alone for all these years and like that's what i want in a husband and in a partner and you know i think that was one of at least on my end like one of our

Speaker 4 incompatibilities like Because yeah, I did want somebody to do a lot of those things with and not just a roommate, like a warm body to be come home to at the end of the night.

Speaker 5 And

Speaker 5 how did you meet your current boyfriend?

Speaker 4 How did you meet him?

Speaker 4 Yeah, so his friend, we both attended this wellness retreat called the Hoffman Institute

Speaker 3 or Hoffman process.

Speaker 4 So I was on a week with his best friend.

Speaker 4 And,

Speaker 4 you know, I was living in LA at the time. And then after the show, I moved back to Denver.

Speaker 4 So I moved back to Denver June of 24. So it was like two months after we wrapped.
And I think just through, you know, you end up following everybody from your week on Instagram.

Speaker 4 And so he reached out and was like, hey, it looks like you're back in Denver. Can't remember if you're single or married or whatever.
But if you're single, I'd love to introduce you to my best friend.

Speaker 4 I was like, sure.

Speaker 5 And then three months later, got pregnant, right? Is that what you said?

Speaker 4 Yes, we met at the end of July,

Speaker 4 which this is kind of crazy. Talk about universe.
We met at the end of July and the same day we met met a year later is when our son was born that is true

Speaker 1 how did it feel when you found out she had a child i was just i mean i truly i mean we

Speaker 2 we really didn't speak for like a year so i was just i wasn't even trying to pry at her business i just was hearing all these rumors circulating and i was like i just want her to be aware of this stuff and then then we just had a conversation it was i felt no I was like, yeah, this is like, I'm happy for you.

Speaker 2 I knew she wanted to be a mom, but there was no disdain.

Speaker 2 I wasn't, there was no my feelings aren't i'm totally happy healthy and thriving you know and were the rumors like around town or was yeah so i was hearing the rumors around town i didn't felt feel the need to reach out until i got this instagram message with these this person with very like intimate details and i was like that's kind of weird so that's when i had to sent her a text and then i guess

Speaker 5 Had you felt the need to like let Jordan know before he reached out?

Speaker 4 Yeah, so it was always on my radar, but I think the timing thing was tricky because I was like, like you know i don't i don't want to tell him too far in advance because i like i was keeping it very close to my chest and like i didn't want i didn't want that getting out you know further with the other additional pod squad people yeah it's definitely tricky and do i tell them when i'm pregnant do i

Speaker 4 i don't know like it was a weird were you gonna wait till the reunion though huh were you gonna wait till the reunion to tell me okay thank god that would no but even like production they were like because i told i was adamant like i want to tell him before of course they're like you know no way oh yeah that would would have been bad for everybody.

Speaker 4 Yeah, no way. And he and I have always been very, like, we did have one time on filming where I like, I kind of blindsided him with a conversation.

Speaker 4 And ever since then, we both have been very like, hey, let's not, let's not do that again. But yeah, so I was always going to tell him, but the timing thing was, was hard because like,

Speaker 4 I mean, even like, I was a little superstitious. Like, I had a good pregnancy, but even the birth, I'm like, God forbid anything happens and like this baby doesn't come safely or, you know, whatever.

Speaker 4 I think there was just a lot of weird stuff. So, first and foremost, was getting baby here healthy.

Speaker 4 And then, you know, that was two months or

Speaker 4 yeah, probably two months before this was airing.

Speaker 5 Did when you found out you were having a boy, did

Speaker 5 Jordan Luca ever cross your mind?

Speaker 4 I don't know if I would,

Speaker 3 I don't know. No.

Speaker 3 Genuine question.

Speaker 3 And how did your your current boyfriend, does he have a name?

Speaker 4 Paul. Okay.

Speaker 5 How does Paul, how did Paul feel about you being like, hey, there's this person I have to call to like let him know about this? Yeah.

Speaker 4 No, I mean, he's, I've been very transparent with him from the start. And,

Speaker 4 you know, he's been super supportive of everything. And, you know, he was actually the one encouraging me, like, hey, have you told Jordan? Have you told Jordan? When are you telling Jordan?

Speaker 4 And I'm like, I don't, like, I'm again, trying to figure out when is the right time. Yeah.

Speaker 4 So yeah, if anything, anything, Paul was the one kind of pushing me to like do it sooner.

Speaker 1 What did you think Megan's reasons were for ending the relationship?

Speaker 2 I just think it was the time. Like, I think she just needed me to be more available.
And that wasn't possible at that current stage of life.

Speaker 2 And again, nothing wrong with that.

Speaker 2 Me and Megan talk a lot. And it's like she had to make the hard decision to end things.

Speaker 2 But in turn, that was the right decision for my family in the long run. And same for her.

Speaker 2 So there are no right right or wrong answers in this um what i definitely didn't want her to do is to say yes and then not actually want to get married and then we drag my son through a divorce a year later that was i would have much rather you know what what actually happened happen than for her to go through with a marriage she she wasn't were you planning on saying yes yeah i'm a chronic underthinker she checks my boxes so i think that's like the hero's ton of man and i'm the opposite i overthink everything

Speaker 4 yeah i was like she checks my boxes like let's i'm there yeah but i think like jordan and this is even the term like when we we throw around lifestyle, I think that's getting a little convoluted to me.

Speaker 2 Like, I think it wasn't lifestyle. Like, I think it's literally was just time.
Cause at the, at that time, I was just so buried in work and then fatherhood.

Speaker 2 And then, you know, these crazy, like the filming schedule is just insane. So I just like wasn't myself.
I was just kind of just doing my own thing out of like survival mode, essentially.

Speaker 1 Do you think in a way, maybe both of your maybe stubbornness is the word?

Speaker 1 I don't know, of not finding compromise on that topic was almost like a, not a projection, but like your kind of inner voice, maybe saying,

Speaker 1 this is great, but maybe this isn't my person.

Speaker 1 Because I say that because I feel like, it's like, maybe he doesn't go to Italy or maybe like you're busy right now, but if this is your person, you, you figure it out.

Speaker 4 And that's, I think that's where that got hard for me because, you know, like Jordan said, during filming, it like on camera, you know, it's, I feel like sometimes producers have even had to like push us like hey you guys need to talk a little bit more and and then when we had a day off camera that like he was very quiet then i was like oh man like she's not my normal self right yes but and this is where and this is where i think it's again like circumstance because jordan's telling me like that's not who i am that's not because i was worried like oh shit i'm about to marry this guy in 10 days and like we can't even have a day alone where we're having fun and laughing and you know it doesn't always need to to be conversation, but at least, like, you know, shoot the shit a little, especially with Jordan, who is so funny.

Speaker 4 And, like, I just saw this different side of him.

Speaker 3 I mean, I was down bad, though. Yeah.

Speaker 4 And he was saying, like, you know, I'm, I'm, I think I was a little harsh on him for not giving him the benefit of the doubt, but it's like, you're, you're about to get married in 10 days.

Speaker 4 And like, do I trust his word that, like, this is not who he is? Or like, because his actions are showing a little bit differently.

Speaker 1 And like, that's the trippiest part about this show is kind of nuanced moments in a relationship like that scene where you were down bad and you were kind of like hey you know like why don't we talk about our days we we were talking about on the show like we had a moment like that when natalie moved across the country and with me where i don't know sometimes a lot of times as guys i'm a bit introverted at to

Speaker 1 where i'm just like

Speaker 2 just well i don't know if you've ever worked a job you hate but like the last thing i want to do after a long day of getting my teeth kicked in is talk about it i think guys kind of decompressed on the car ride home and then I don't want to like be, I don't want to open that can of worms into it.

Speaker 1 Or even a job you love. It's like, I just want to just sit in silence.
Yeah. You know, all right.

Speaker 4 No, and I get that.

Speaker 2 And, but I think it was like, she had probably had no idea what I did, period. I just never talked about it at zero.
I just was like, yeah, I fixed shit.

Speaker 3 She's like, what does that even mean?

Speaker 3 Like, I can't talk about it. It fucking much.

Speaker 3 Drug dealer?

Speaker 2 Yeah, it was, I don't, yeah.

Speaker 4 My last job was no, and I, like, I've been in that at the oil and gas company. I was in that nine-to-five grind, and I was the same.

Speaker 4 Like, I would want to come home and like during the week is, oh, please, nine to five grind.

Speaker 3 I was.

Speaker 3 That's not a grind, but I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 Okay, well,

Speaker 4 I was in that life where I would come home and like, to your point, I wouldn't want to, but like when we have a whole day together, you know, and we, we did all the things.

Speaker 4 We went to get our nails done. We went out to lunch.
We went to top golf. And it was like, Parts of it for me were awkward.

Speaker 4 And I'm like, this isn't how I should be feeling 10 days before before I'm about to marry this person.

Speaker 4 And sure, like, you know, we are still fresh in the relationship, but like, that was the first like, yikes.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Is it, does it feel like this whole, like the, you know, the 10 days in the pod, week in whatever hotel, and then three weeks in your city, does it almost feel like a simulated

Speaker 1 year of a relationship where like the pods are the honeymoon phase because you're the meeting in the pods and not seeing them, like you're, you're just always on. You have a singular focus.

Speaker 1 You have no distraction. It's just easy to be chatty for eight hours because like you can't see this person.

Speaker 1 And like, and then all of a sudden, like you, you know, go on the vacation and now you're living with each other in your hometown for three weeks to your point where it's just like, I don't know, what the fuck do we have left to talk about?

Speaker 3 We talked in the pods for

Speaker 3 like, I don't, fuck.

Speaker 1 And does it almost, was there, is there a come down in that? regard where you're just like, there's a lot of like, you're not the person I met in the pods.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Well, and I think it's hard too, because like

Speaker 4 part of me too like it i felt like you know jordan was able to give me all of himself in the pods and then when we got into real life that's not the case but then it's like even production you know they're the ones

Speaker 4 well maybe a combination but like i think they're the ones that like planning all these things and so it's like how do i even really know like it does jordan does he plan dates are we gonna go on nice dinners like are we gonna do the things and so i think i felt a little bit like i'm a big believer that i always want to feel like my partner we're dating, whether we're two weeks in or 20 years in.

Speaker 4 And I still want to be courted and, you know, romanticized a little bit. And I just, I was having a hard time knowing if that was the case.

Speaker 3 It's valid. It's valid.

Speaker 1 What

Speaker 1 made you decide to end it before going to the altar?

Speaker 4 I mean, I think obvious reasons.

Speaker 4 I mean, what you don't see, I think our breakup like on camera kind of came out a little out of the blue. I mean, I know we had the closet conversation.

Speaker 2 Well, it was like the week before you're supposed to get married. It's supposed to be like a black week.
You're not really supposed to see each other.

Speaker 2 But I think they knew like everyone was like, because I think one day she was in and then I would kind of be like, well, you weren't in yesterday. So now I'm not in.

Speaker 2 And then we were kind of flippy-floppy. So we waited till like the last second.
to call it off, but we had committed not to leave each other at the altar because my son was going to be there.

Speaker 2 And we were just like.

Speaker 4 And we had many conversations that week leading up to it.

Speaker 2 And yeah, we don't mean to disappoint the viewers, but like this is, this was real. This is our real lives, like our real feelings.
And

Speaker 2 again, like stability is very important for Luca and Megan and our whole family.

Speaker 2 So we just didn't want to, like, not, not to let everyone down, but we, like, we didn't want to be on stage.

Speaker 4 Yeah. And we had, we had conversations too, like, man, do we, do we do that? Like, keep Luca at home, but go up there and we both mutually say no or whatever, but ultimately, like, I, yeah.

Speaker 1 Did you have to

Speaker 1 fight for your ability to honor that agreement that you had?

Speaker 4 Yes and no. I mean, I think

Speaker 5 because at the end of the day, there's still a TV show.

Speaker 4 Yeah,

Speaker 3 I think everyone understands.

Speaker 1 There's a lot of times people are like, I'm not going to do that. And then, you know, there are people who are like very good at convincing you to both producers.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 2 We love our production team.

Speaker 4 No, they were amazing. And I think like it was a very unique situation with Luca.
And I think they were very respectful of that.

Speaker 1 It's good to hear. I mean, a lot of times you don't hear that.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 No,

Speaker 4 because it's unprecedented, especially in Love is Mine.

Speaker 2 So I think Love is Mine history.

Speaker 4 Yeah. They were very supportive and like totally understood.

Speaker 1 How has being a mom changed your perspective on, I guess, life?

Speaker 4 Yeah, I mean, I think it's taught me how to be a lot more selfless and just like, it's, yeah, it's no longer about me.

Speaker 1 You're taking less vacations?

Speaker 4 I mean, he's still so fresh.

Speaker 3 Like, he's still so little. He can go.
But he did.

Speaker 4 He came out.

Speaker 4 Like, he came out to LA with us for the reunion, which was fun and then we have a few trips coming up here so yeah we're excited you guys were only dating for like three months before you yeah and what was that experience like how did you guys navigate that yeah so we i mean paul and i like it was kind of one of those things when you know you know and so i'm like pretty immediately and and especially so fresh off the love is blind thing like having all those questions in your arsenal and like you know i wasn't fucking around anymore like i if somebody wasn't my person i was like all right, you know, if you can't answer these or be emotionally available or we're not aligned in X, Y, and Z, you know, move on.

Speaker 4 Cause I, I, you know, I, I do want to be married. And yeah, so Paul and I met and we had talked about kids.
And

Speaker 4 I had had multiple doctors in the past tell me that I would have a hard time getting pregnant naturally. And so I think we were just a little more careful.

Speaker 3 Reckless. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Reckless. Wait, did he give you the what the fuck?

Speaker 3 Yeah, you said that.

Speaker 3 You got me.

Speaker 3 No, but we both.

Speaker 4 Yeah, we both were, you know, kids were on the radar for sure. So

Speaker 2 you're saying it italicized.

Speaker 5 Yeah, you're putting the little eye.

Speaker 1 Well, it's an important operation, so

Speaker 4 yeah, no. So I think it happened a little more quickly than we were planning, but we were planning.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 5 fans

Speaker 5 are suspecting that maybe you called the paparazzi on yourself. Oh my God.

Speaker 3 I did not.

Speaker 4 One, I didn't know there was paparazzi in Denver.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Two, I think I would have looked a lot cuter. That's what we always do.
Because some of those shots were a little trolly. That's what we always say.

Speaker 5 We're like, if we're going to call the paparazzi on ourself, we're going to be looking good. We're not going to be able to do that.

Speaker 3 No, and like at the end of the day,

Speaker 3 there's a number to call at the end of the day.

Speaker 1 I mean, a publisher in LA would know how to facilitate something like that. And like in LA or New York,

Speaker 4 there are places where they'll no, but I mean, I wanted to share that news myself on the reunion. And, like, that honestly, like, pissed me off a little bit that they took that away from me.

Speaker 4 And there was, you know, a couple reality bloggers, or I don't know what you call them.

Speaker 5 What do we call them?

Speaker 3 You know who I'm talking about. Irrelevant.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 They, they broke it originally. And then, like,

Speaker 4 after the fact it got out, or somebody obviously said it was me. But yeah, I mean, that annoyed me.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that'd be like that's i mean it's it's scary and that's my news to share like totally were you nervous about knowing how the season unfolded between the two of you and the like just the narrative and the conversations about like having kids or not having kids and like your one line when when you broke up which is like i'm not sure if i'll ever want to be or be able to be a mother Were you worried about how fans would react at all to finding out you were a mom?

Speaker 1 Or was it just not even a concern?

Speaker 4 I mean, people are going to say what they're going to say. And like,

Speaker 4 yeah, I think that was like heartbreaking for me to watch back. It wasn't that I was questioning if I ever wanted to be.
I think it just in that moment, you know,

Speaker 4 you had so many ups and downs and it was so emotional. And I'm like, man, like,

Speaker 4 I don't know, like, this is tough. But I think deep down, I knew I was always wanting to be a mom.
So.

Speaker 5 Did you and Paul have a conversation about, you know, what like sharing your son would look like now that you have kind of eyes on you.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I mean, we're still trying to navigate that. I mean, the pictures we shared at the reunion, he was, you know, he was a pretty fresh newborn.
Um, and he even looks like a different kid now. And

Speaker 4 I'd be curious to hear your guys' take.

Speaker 1 First year, we, we, we stopped. We were pretty liberal because it was just like fun being parents.
And after a year, we we've tried to avoid showing her face.

Speaker 5 And they do. I mean, the baby stage, they changed so much.
And now that who she is now, I think is who she is going to look like for a minute. So that's kind of just

Speaker 3 stopped.

Speaker 1 They mean well, but people come up and

Speaker 1 yeah, I mean, it's tough because you want to, you're excited, you want to, you know, you want to show people.

Speaker 1 So like, there's no right or wrong. It's just a personal preference.
But yeah,

Speaker 1 we've gotten a little bit more conservative with it.

Speaker 5 But we, I mean, we obviously still share our lives. We, I want to still show her.
So we do

Speaker 3 have the back of her head and types of things,

Speaker 5 which works out totally fine and

Speaker 2 what's dating look like for you these days it's casual man it's just been uh i don't know like i've i think it's like a personal flaw right now but i'm very i'm like oh all these people all of a sudden want to date me and i'm like i've been the same guy as i was my entire life so it's kind of like left a bad taste in my mouth but i think that's just something i need to work on personally bad taste how just like i just think i'm being just too paranoid for no reason that

Speaker 2 i don't know if you could be too paranoid yeah no, maybe, I don't know. I just, I'm like, oh, this is a good idea.

Speaker 1 I think you well, paranoid maybe is the wrong word. I think it's good to be careful

Speaker 1 being in the public eye. And I definitely think you can't be too safe with online dating as a public figure.
And I think, yeah, there's just a lot of people who Well, that's the thing.

Speaker 2 I'm not do I'm not doing any online dating. I've been off the dating apps for a long time.

Speaker 1 Not even online dating or slimming in your DMs or just like meeting people out. It's just, you know, like I think people mo I think 99% of people mean well.
They just get weird.

Speaker 5 For example, Joe's current girlfriend we saw did her own press,

Speaker 4 which,

Speaker 5 you know,

Speaker 5 is interesting.

Speaker 2 I love everybody.

Speaker 3 You know, it's all good.

Speaker 3 Have you met her? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 I mean, I love everybody. So sure.

Speaker 5 And we love everybody too.

Speaker 3 And we love everybody too, totally.

Speaker 5 But like.

Speaker 5 That might be something that like me personally would maybe want to stay away from is like my significant other who does not have a bone in the fight to like start doing their own press talking about other people that I was on a show with.

Speaker 5 It might just like,

Speaker 5 you know, make me feel unsafe in a sort of way. Sure.
My personal feelings. We did have someone call in to our show yesterday and they said they thought you should be the bachelor.

Speaker 3 Oh, there you go. Yeah.
So I don't know.

Speaker 2 I've heard, I've seen, I've seen the articles, so I don't know about. I mean, you were on the bachelor, right?

Speaker 3 Yes.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 5 But I told her to slide into your DM, so so maybe, I don't know.

Speaker 2 Oh, I don't read the DMs.

Speaker 3 I'm not a good person.

Speaker 1 I mean, interestingly enough, like, listen, I, you know, like, you are in a unique position as someone who is a father, who has no immediate plans to have more children. How old are you?

Speaker 2 Just turned 31.

Speaker 1 You're an incredibly young man.

Speaker 1 You've had a vasectomy.

Speaker 2 That's what they say.

Speaker 3 Word around town.

Speaker 1 But you are, as long as you're up front, like in a really unique position to like really settle into like a fun fuckboy era.

Speaker 2 Oh, shucks. Yeah, I feel like I'm too old for that.
My back hurts already just from sleeping with you.

Speaker 3 Too old.

Speaker 1 I'm 31.

Speaker 2 Yeah, no, I just want to be like intentional with what I do and my actions. You're just a good person.
No, definitely.

Speaker 3 No.

Speaker 3 But I'm okay.

Speaker 2 I'm a law-abiding citizen.

Speaker 1 So you want to, but yeah, so like, are you, so it sounds like

Speaker 1 you would ideally like to find a committed relationship right now?

Speaker 2 It's so hard to say. I just think I don't want to introduce him to my son at the moment.
I think like what I put him through because again, I know Megan's been catching heat for that.

Speaker 2 I was the one that introduced him to this. Luca's mom didn't have anything to do with that.
It was just it was 100% me.

Speaker 1 Can't you date someone? And just be like, hey, listen, just up front, I have a kid, but like...

Speaker 2 You're not meeting him for sure.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you know, like, you might be, but I am very protective over that. It's not personal, and I don't want you to make it a thing.

Speaker 2 And like, you know, if someone can respect that and if not that'll tell you yeah but i just think that's like that's the bridge between like casual dating and being in a serious relationship is introducing my son you know it's like i wouldn't introduce my son to someone i wouldn't consider a serious relationship so it's just

Speaker 4 that's where it's i think it's funny to see the commentary online too about people like oh she begged to meet his son and whatever and like sure i think what you don't see so

Speaker 4 i was very adamant that i wanted to meet luca's mom before I met Luca just so she could get comfortable. Like, you know, Jordan said, she didn't sign up for this.

Speaker 1 This is crazy.

Speaker 4 It's fast.

Speaker 4 So I wanted her to be comfortable with me. And I think my frustration was that those, that timeframe kept getting pushed.

Speaker 4 And before we knew it, we were like, you know, two weeks into Denver or real life.

Speaker 2 Yeah, because we were like teetering, like, do we include him in the show and stuff? And then his mom, like, one day would be like,

Speaker 2 I don't see the harm. And then, you know, obviously we're just trying to protect him.

Speaker 2 so at the end of the day We told production like hey, it's gonna really end up with with Luca's mom and she said I don't want to do this I don't want him in there and we all said okay cool We like that.

Speaker 2 Let's do that.

Speaker 2 So it was just like a lot of prolonging introducing him and obviously it's like that's a huge commitment for Megan to just step into that you know that yeah, no, I don't want to call it like a role or whatever, but

Speaker 2 we needed I needed Megan to experience that because that's fair to her, right?

Speaker 3 And same with Luca. Like I would want Luca.

Speaker 1 I mean, I didn't think this would be the case but god forbid he was like i don't like her like no it makes it like again from from a love is blind standpoint it makes total sense that you guys had to make i mean and luca included but also all aspects of your life you had to make a lot of like exceptions to the rule because like this whole experiment was an exception to the rule i am curious like for you do you think not not in any way putting anything in megan because again it's a more the experiment you guys signed up for like it's not you like to your point it was your choice made a lot of sense sense for the both of you.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Do you think, to that regard, that experience affected you?

Speaker 1 Because I guess, you know, because there's a lot of single parents out here listening to this show, and I'm, and, and it's, I imagine, a very sensitive topic when it comes to dating.

Speaker 1 How do I handle this? What's the best way? What's the wrong way?

Speaker 1 And you referenced on the show, just like, I think that what worried you the most or bothered you is just how impressionable, you know, Luca is.

Speaker 1 Like, if you're dating, though, let's say like you're just dating, you meet someone, you're casual, You're like hey, I'm just very cautious about my son, but you feel like it's going somewhere you like this person Couldn't they just meet this person as like a friend without you putting any like

Speaker 2 See, I just like to be super transparent with my son That's just how I lead I don't I feel like that'd be like a white lie wouldn't want to Okay, because I mean and then you're just that's just like the you're just breaking down that wall then then you're just opening the door to hey, here's my other friend.

Speaker 2 She's not my friend anymore. Here's my new friend.
And I just don't want to do that.

Speaker 2 And it's just, i'm just overly protective and i want to stay that way now the that's interesting okay comments that mike made about luca yeah i know you've said you've forgiven him or whatever um how did you forgive him i guess i remind me what those were he basically said like so it's a common misconception in the diabetic like community like if you're not exposed to it a lot that people aren't aware that there's two types of diabetes.

Speaker 2 So a lot of the time people are like, oh, your kid has diabetes. You should feed them healthier.

Speaker 1 You fed him too much sugar and you made him rubber.

Speaker 2 Exactly. It's like, obviously, his pancreas just took a shit.
He was due to genetics, not anything anyone did. He just got the cart or the hand he didn't do.

Speaker 1 So you imply that you were just like going to Dairy Queen every day for pretty much.

Speaker 5 And I guess me being a mom, I feel like I am anyone who says anything about my kid. I'm like,

Speaker 2 will children? Yeah, really. Again,

Speaker 2 I wish she could have told me that earlier just so we could have processed it a little, like had a little more time to process it. But I just got completely blindsided.

Speaker 2 We're doing press in LA and I had three back-to-back reporters be like, what do you think about Mike's comments? I was like, what comments? I've been hanging out with him for a while.

Speaker 4 And he even, he texted me and he was like, did Mike say anything? And I, I, like.

Speaker 2 Because yeah, everyone thought we pre-screened the show. So I was just, I was like, what comments are you guys talking about? And no one would tell me.
And it was driving me fucking crazy.

Speaker 4 And I thought like, cause Mike would make like the subtle, you know, you're making the wrong decision. And especially like that breakup conversation.
And I was like, what aren't you telling me?

Speaker 4 Like, but yeah, I mean, now watching it after the fact, he did throw some little.

Speaker 5 His do you want to dance at the

Speaker 3 crazy.

Speaker 5 Do you regret your decision?

Speaker 4 Crazy.

Speaker 3 Too crazy.

Speaker 1 He's got to believe in himself, you know? Yeah,

Speaker 3 you're believing in yourself.

Speaker 2 But I guess what was that conversation like with you and Mike to finally get to a point where you were like, yeah, so he literally, I think we all stayed up till one in the morning or woke up super early when, as soon as the pod episodes dropped and i think we all were just watching it at the exact same time and as soon as that comment came he texted me and said hey man i totally misspoke i was literally like brother i forgive you i i get it that was a long time ago um everyone was kind of in this like emotionally weird place maybe not acting like themselves 100

Speaker 2 trying to be funny or something yeah trying to yeah exactly it was just like hey i i i totally understand then again he He made it made it known that he was going to learn the differences.

Speaker 2 He held himself accountable, right? He made this donation to Life for a Child, which is my favorite charity I've ever worked with. So again, he held himself accountable.

Speaker 2 And there's just like, what's the point of holding that over his head? There is no point. He knows the difference now.
So that's a win in my book.

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Speaker 5 Are you friends with Nick?

Speaker 2 No, not really.

Speaker 5 It kind of seemed like there was an overall vibe. I think Joe even kind of said something.

Speaker 2 So yeah, I don't hate any of it.

Speaker 3 He loves everybody. Yeah, no, I mean, me and Nick talk on the side.

Speaker 2 I just, I mean, Nick does his own thing, he's in his own lane. Um, and then I just, I guess maybe our lifestyles don't align.

Speaker 3 Oh, he's a fan.

Speaker 3 So no time.

Speaker 3 I love all my classmates I love.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 1 Not to drill you about your dating life, but

Speaker 1 what, you know, because I, and it's interesting, like, you're in this very unique point in your life, honestly. I mean, I don't know why you guys signed up for this show.

Speaker 1 I think a lot of fans having been in your guys' position before will almost shame you into not and into feeling guilty about taking advantage of the very incredible benefits that come with going on the show and becoming a public fairy girl for a period of time.

Speaker 1 And it often for most people fades pretty quickly, but like.

Speaker 1 It's a cool fucking thing. And you can do a lot of, you can have cool experiences and you can have cool opportunities.

Speaker 1 And, And, you know, it started on the bastard with like, are you here for the right reasons?

Speaker 1 But it's carried over to all reality TV love competition shows where you're like, you're not, you're not allowed to like have fun and benefit from this.

Speaker 1 And quite honestly, if you come out of this as a single person, it can, you know, minus the fuck, you know, being a fuckboy, whatever. But like, you, you can.

Speaker 1 have a chance to meet people and and which can be challenging and and and kind of confusing and a little you get paranoid but like what does that look like what does this person in your mind look like?

Speaker 1 Like, how could you meet someone where you would feel safe

Speaker 1 and excited about, you know, who she is and what that, you know, and what that would give you, like, this could be worth it, you know, thinking about how I might introduce person

Speaker 1 into Luca's life and things like that.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I guess I'm not like set on like an appearance.
It's more just like, I want someone to treat me.

Speaker 2 Like, I just need someone that's overly patient, someone who's almost like motherly in tone. Yeah, and someone who holds me accountable.

Speaker 1 I'm assuming you don't want someone to like mother you, right?

Speaker 2 Yeah, be my mommy.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think there's a lot of women out there who feel like they have to sometimes.

Speaker 2 Yeah, no, I mean,

Speaker 2 I'm a grown-up. I can make my own decisions and I do my own stuff.

Speaker 2 So I guess I spent the whole year and a half processing, you know, what we went through, being like, what do I want coming up? And now that we're, you know, we kind of closed that chapter of our life.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, I really don't know what I'm looking for. I'm just not looking to be a fuckboy and

Speaker 2 not really looking to be the bachelor.

Speaker 3 When it shows up, you'll know.

Speaker 2 I hope so. That's the scary thing.
You know, I really hope I do know. But I don't know if I

Speaker 2 just feel like I'm my head,

Speaker 2 my priorities are just elsewhere right now, besides like dating, dating.

Speaker 5 Did you get a brand deal with Ninja?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 5 And Crystal Light?

Speaker 3 Not Crystal Light. That's fucked up then.

Speaker 5 Did you see their, they did a like chicken and crystal light?

Speaker 3 You know, I didn't, I didn't create, I didn't create the chicken smoothies.

Speaker 2 Put it on the map.

Speaker 3 Put it on the map.

Speaker 2 Yeah, more power to them.

Speaker 2 As long as everyone gets their bag, I'm happy.

Speaker 1 Question for both of you, I guess, depending on how you guys want to answer it, but a lot of women listen to this show. A lot of successful professional women listen to this show.

Speaker 1 Obviously, your guys' dynamic was loosely based off of this concept that I think a lot of successful professional women feel like that it emasculates men, or they have a hard time dating because, as soon as, like, a guy they're dating finds out they make a lot of money, or the man looks, you know, it complicates that dynamic.

Speaker 1 I'm just curious, like, how did you feel about that? Did you feel like you represented that narrative?

Speaker 1 And I guess a question for you since you're single, because you're obviously a very confident guy. You seem self-assured.

Speaker 3 I'm glad. I'm glad I

Speaker 3 look that way.

Speaker 1 I don't know, confident enough. I think being honest and vulnerable takes a level of confidence that a lot of people don't have.

Speaker 1 And I think you, and the reason I say that about you is because you went on a very intimidating, very popular show. And it seems like you're pretty open to showing us who you were.

Speaker 1 And that takes a lot of guts. And I think a lot of people go on those shows and are very performative.
So that's, that's why my opinion is that.

Speaker 1 But yeah, do you feel like for the most part, like, Yeah, as someone who was portrayed in this relationship with Megan, who made a lot of money, how would that, has that made you think about that dynamic at all and how you would feel about that situation?

Speaker 2 No, I'm just such a simple guy.

Speaker 4 I don't, I mean, I Jordan has done very well for himself, too.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 3 They do.

Speaker 3 They do kind of make you seem like you're like penny pinching and you just like

Speaker 1 kind of lean into that a little bit. I'm just a simple guy.

Speaker 3 He's like, drive a key.

Speaker 3 It's funny.

Speaker 4 And this is like, I thought we were always pretty good with it because we would joke about it. Like,

Speaker 4 but we're not.

Speaker 4 I mean, yeah, he has done very well for himself, but I think even like that behind the scenes thing where my friends came and you know, they were joking, like Jordan driving up in his Kia when we went to look at that house, we both pulled up.

Speaker 4 Um, and it was just like it's funny, and we, I don't know, I think,

Speaker 2 yeah, I do think they spun it like I was fucking poor before.

Speaker 3 I've been

Speaker 2 feeling beyond fortunate with me, you know. I just want to make sure I got food on the table, and I don't really, I've never been a car guy.

Speaker 3 Such a simple guy.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I'm just a simple dude. So that's

Speaker 1 what would you splurge on?

Speaker 2 Like if I won the lottery or something?

Speaker 1 I don't know. Like, what's the craziest thing you've ever purchased for yourself?

Speaker 2 Craziest thing I've ever purchased for myself.

Speaker 1 We're like, I don't know if I should have done that. That was crazy.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 I mean, I do have a pair of Gucci shoes.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 2 So I, and then I, I'm like scared to wear them outside the house.

Speaker 3 I was like, those things were really expensive.

Speaker 2 So now I just look at them.

Speaker 3 So, um,

Speaker 2 yeah, that's probably the craziest thing I ever said. And I did feel slightly guilty about it.
But no, I just don't. I'm just not like a flashy, flashy guy.
And I don't know if I ever will be.

Speaker 2 But if I did win the lottery, I would buy a new car. Mikeia is in shambles right now.

Speaker 3 Would you get a Range Rover?

Speaker 2 I don't think so. I don't know.

Speaker 4 He said he would never even buy it.

Speaker 2 I don't even know what kind of car I would buy. Maybe like a Toyota or something.

Speaker 3 Toyota moving up. There we go.

Speaker 3 Mauling out. All right.
Period.

Speaker 1 Are you guys getting recognized a lot when you go out right now?

Speaker 4 Starting to see. I haven't really gone out a bunch.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Have you met Paul?

Speaker 2 I haven't. No, I'd love to.

Speaker 4 No, so he was, Paul was at the reunion.

Speaker 4 We tried to cross paths, but he had to run home to baby.

Speaker 4 So I'm sure one day we'll.

Speaker 5 And from the girls, who are you closest with?

Speaker 4 Casey and Allie, I would say. Yeah.

Speaker 4 But I honestly, like, I've kind of distanced myself from everybody.

Speaker 1 Like, I don't, not that they're all great, but I just, I mean, i feel like i'm in such a different place but totally you know uh i know you guys don't want to talk shit and i don't want you to talk shit but who like we talked to allie to yesterday yeah and i think you know you if if if you were made to look poor she was made to look kind of vapid and we we had a nice conversation with her and she seems like pretty chill um she is but like who is who are the people who you felt like you know you you should spend more time with them because you know i think they their their character on the show show was a little more narrow than who they are yeah i mean i think allie and casey truthfully i don't know i mean i feel like for the most part a lot of people got pretty accurate representations but do you have anyone off the top of your head no not really what is your opinion on edmund i love it oh i love yeah i love edmund i think he's he's not a wordsmith right i say that about a lot of my castmates not a wordsmith but he's so uniquely himself and i love him for that but yeah we go running in the same park sometimes where he rollerblades and just so funny.

Speaker 3 Sometimes I'll see him, what up, Ed?

Speaker 2 And he'll like, one time he's just like, what up, Jordan? Boom, fucking right on his ass.

Speaker 3 I loved Ed, man.

Speaker 2 He's so funny. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. He's just himself.
And that's what I love.

Speaker 3 He's hilarious. What about Anton?

Speaker 2 So, I mean, me and Anton are working in the same line of work. So, I mean, semi-relatable, we don't really hang out that much.
I mean, I see him here and there, but I don't, I'm, I'm the same.

Speaker 2 Just with my position as a dad, a lot of the group events I'm sure we're both invited to, I just don't make it.

Speaker 5 Do they do like, who plans like all the group events?

Speaker 3 Is it it just like someone in your that's a great question group that's like hey let's get everyone together

Speaker 3 I don't I never really didn't invite yeah

Speaker 3 when I get the biggest difference between you say that between you and Edmund Anton Anton sorry is that you kind of seem like the guy who's like yeah whatever fuck it I drink I drink to the tequila yeah no I would and then Anton always is like just why you kind of sound like you're lying yeah it's like there's always a little bit of like a little kid or something who gives a shit man just who colored on the wall always yeah not me.

Speaker 3 He's like, and I think you kind of colored on the wall. Was it there? Was it not there? It could have been you.

Speaker 1 I don't know. Do you not remember? It's like,

Speaker 3 man, are you, why?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I don't know the thought process behind looking for a bottle of tequila you know is gone.

Speaker 3 He's like, but you just said, I drank it. You drank a lot.
I drank it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So let's get, let's get another bottle.

Speaker 3 Shit.

Speaker 5 What was like the

Speaker 5 funniest or out-of-pocket thing that y'all watched back, maybe from like your peers, something you obviously like didn't see obviously the the joe going in on nick at the oh my gosh i said god damn joe it might be someone's guys not mine

Speaker 2 oh someone asked me about what do you say about the chicken smoothies i said best fucking smoothie in the whole world ain't my fucking smoothie

Speaker 2 it's so funny it's like he just keeps going though it's like i think again you know you've we're all this is filmed in another lifetime right so everyone's looking back being like i wish i would have said that different i would have did that different and we've all matured quite a a bit, I think.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 this should definitely play out like a reality TV show, though.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So do you,

Speaker 1 I mean, you're a mom, so obviously life's busy for you.

Speaker 1 And you seem kind of just content with everything. But like, you know, back to like, there are a lot of opportunities that come with going on the show.

Speaker 1 Are there anything that either of you would be interested in trying out or hope that a door is open, you know, from this experience?

Speaker 4 I mean, I think eventually I'd like to start a business of my own, another business of my own, to the Sparkle Megan point. I don't know.

Speaker 4 I'm sure there's something I can make brands.

Speaker 3 Yeah, truly. Stickers, at least.

Speaker 3 No,

Speaker 5 the tattoos, the sparkle tattoos. You know, talking about the little henna ones? The

Speaker 3 hens? Yeah.

Speaker 4 Man, those are like a 90s survey.

Speaker 5 Yeah, you know, bring them back. Sparkle Meg.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 4 I mean, I'm sure something. Right now, I'm just happy to be a mom and focusing on my little guy.

Speaker 3 What about you?

Speaker 2 Yeah, you know, I got to write a a kid's book.

Speaker 2 Dear Lucas. Yeah, inspired by my son and, you know, his like strong emotional intelligence.

Speaker 2 And we wrote the first one about being brave just due to his, um, what he has to go through with his diabetic treatments and stuff.

Speaker 2 The, I got these little brand deals or whatever, which has just been like incredibly humbling.

Speaker 2 And also I'm like, wow, this is really fun to do and just to be creative and to have like that outlet that I've always been looking for.

Speaker 2 uh just to be my regular goofy self um and then if i could manifest anything it's dancing with the stars but um

Speaker 3 yeah,

Speaker 2 I would choose that over the bachelor for sure.

Speaker 1 I might have to go like I'm perfect match for that.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah,

Speaker 2 I don't think I'm down.

Speaker 5 Is there like a partner that you would want to be paired up with?

Speaker 2 You know, I don't know anything. I don't know anything about dancing.

Speaker 2 I'm not a star either. We'd call it dancing with the guys.

Speaker 3 Dancing with the simple guys.

Speaker 3 I just think

Speaker 2 doing things that make me uncomfortable, and thinking about dancing in front of a bunch of people makes me very uncomfortable.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 2 But yeah, yeah, that's what I'm manifesting right now.

Speaker 1 Where can people find the book?

Speaker 2 DearLuka.com, yeah, exclusively right now. But we are working with like a book guy and very exciting.
We could do a lot of good things with the book. So just an amazing passion project.

Speaker 2 And again, I just want to say, who's Miss R? Oh, that's Miss R, my fantastic business partner.

Speaker 2 So she's been a teacher for like 10 years and she's just a subject matter expert in social-emotional learning, which is kind of...

Speaker 2 Just introducing emotions or talks about emotions as early as possible. So we don't have guys punching holes in drywall anymore.

Speaker 2 So yeah, we just wanted to do something wholesome.

Speaker 3 Is that you?

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's based loosely on Luca and I. Yeah.
So

Speaker 2 and it is a board book, guys. I know people, I've gotten some feedback saying it's really short.
I'm like, well, it's a board book. I don't know

Speaker 3 what you want.

Speaker 1 I'm just out of curiosity because you guys obviously have remained friendly, not that you guys are really in each other's lives, but to your point, none of your peers are operating that way who have been in relationships.

Speaker 1 And quite honestly, it's more uncommon to be doing what you guys are doing.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we like be uncommon, though, I think.

Speaker 1 But like, how did, like, what do you think as individuals,

Speaker 1 why were you able to maintain that?

Speaker 1 Because I think a lot of times there's a hope, let's be cool, let's be cool, but then it only takes like one shot fired or not even, you know, like a rumor online and it just gets messy real fast.

Speaker 4 I mean, I just think a mutual respect.

Speaker 4 You know, there was a, like Jordan said, there was a while where we didn't speak and I was a little hurt by that at first. I, like, I reached out to Jordan.

Speaker 4 It was probably like 10 days after our supposed to be wedding date, just, you know, hey, because I was having a really hard time. Like, this sucks.

Speaker 4 Like, even though, you know, I ultimately made the decision to walk away,

Speaker 4 you know, I was really struggling.

Speaker 4 And, and I think just even the process as a whole, like, you're so in it and it's so intense.

Speaker 4 And then when you walk away from it, you know, single again, and just like from zero to or 60 to zero, you're almost like, What the fuck just happened?

Speaker 4 And so, yeah, I had reached out to Jordan and um realized I was blocked.

Speaker 2 Which I did, I was, I was also told I could process it however I wanted, so that's what I did.

Speaker 2 I said, I got things I gotta do, um, which was fair, and I knew like that wouldn't have been good for me, or and then that would have just been a whole I was gonna ask, let's go get dinner.

Speaker 2 There was no like hookups after no, it was literally, we, we know, and we were jerky.

Speaker 4 they're why we broke up and they're walking me down and said i'm gonna process this however i went blocked yeah yeah yeah and we we had talked about too that week leading up to it you know because it's always the question like

Speaker 4 well would we just not get married and then maybe continue to date seems like but i mean that's what we talked about

Speaker 2 but what it wasn't logical because i was in the same boat as during when we were filming so it's like i think that was my response is you know

Speaker 2 the reasons you're breaking up with me are still there dating or not so yeah let's just like call it and be and then move on with our lives.

Speaker 2 And I think we I'm sure that was hard for both of us at the time, but I mean, look where we are now, right? I think we were able to move past it in like this healthy, natural fashion.

Speaker 3 Yeah, we weren't going to all those podcasts.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I don't think we saw each other, I think, one time between the time we broke up and filming. And then that was at like a little get-together.

Speaker 2 And it was, I mean, we just hugged each other and I think just

Speaker 2 walked away pretty much. So

Speaker 1 well, thanks for coming, guys.

Speaker 3 Yeah, thanks for having us.

Speaker 3 Is there anything else y'all y'all want to anything you want to go up for chest?

Speaker 5 Anyone else you want to talk shit about?

Speaker 3 No.

Speaker 3 No. Just very grateful for Jordan still.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I'm grateful for you.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Well, yeah, thanks for thanks for being so open and coming together.
And it's good to see you guys on such a healthy page.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 2 We are here being healthy and shit.

Speaker 5 Are you going to introduce him to Brooke?

Speaker 3 Jordan? Yeah. Sure.
Yeah,

Speaker 2 we've kind of spoken about that. We're doing an offline little family dinner outing.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 4 I know. I told him I wanted, I need to buy some books for Brooks.

Speaker 2 Well, you don't need to buy one. I brought you one, but

Speaker 1 I look forward to finding out when you're in a relationship.

Speaker 4 And on dancing

Speaker 3 dancing,

Speaker 3 maybe it'll be every dancing partner. I'm single.
Maybe it could be your dancing partner. Pull a glib.

Speaker 1 Well, thanks for coming, guys. I appreciate you.
Thank you.

Speaker 3 Thanks for listening, guys. We'll see you tomorrow.

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