E1027 - Love Is Blind Reunion He-Said She-Said w Ali & Anton and Shannon Beador Breaks Down The RHOC Finale

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Speaker 5 What's going on, everybody?

Speaker 1 Welcome back to another jam-packed episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I am your host, Nick.
Joined by my articulate.

Speaker 1 Ooh, ooh. Oh, actually, no, this is crazy.
This is crazy.

Speaker 6 Actually, no, she's not.

Speaker 1 A flawless apparently flawless. So we were on the plane uh we were flying this weekend

Speaker 1 and i i downloaded chat gpt for the first time okay i was just kind of playing around with it asking random questions cool and i was listening to a podcast talking about how like you could roast yourself using ai so i asked ai to i asked chat to roast me awesome had some pretty funny jokes pretty good really honest for sure yeah brutally honest for sure Didn't hold back.

Speaker 1 I was like, oh, did not hold back. That's fair.
Nick was crying.

Speaker 7 So Chat GPT could say the things I would get fired for.

Speaker 1 Then I asked it to roast my wife. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. Took it upon himself.
Wait, I would like to hear these roasts.

Speaker 4 It was an interesting turn of events for sure.

Speaker 1 You're like, wait, did I ask?

Speaker 4 Literally. I was like, no, actually, I'm mentally healthy right now.

Speaker 1 Great. Didn't want to know.
Let's see here. Nick Val could be standing in a Costco TV aisle with a teacher that says, I have a podcast and still somehow feel undercredited.

Speaker 1 Probably not true. It's funny, though.
So then I asked it to roast my wife.

Speaker 1 Number one, Natalie Joy has the confidence of someone who knows she could post one bikini carousel and reset the internet with an Etcha sketch.

Speaker 1 That's not mean. No.
Number two, Natalie's Instagram stories are proof that if you are hot enough, people will watch you unbox supplements like they are a succession plot point.

Speaker 1 It's just

Speaker 1 Natalie Joy has perfected the exact tone of voice that says, I'm humble, but the sentence she's saying is, so many brands want to work with me.

Speaker 4 Nick literally was like pissed that AI was like

Speaker 1 building you up. Number four, Nellie is so good on camera.
It's honestly suspicious. Like she does couples content like someone who has never once had a bad angle in her whole life.

Speaker 8 The couples content doesn't know my God.

Speaker 1 I know. This is ridiculous.

Speaker 4 Anyways, this was his first question, was roast my wife.

Speaker 1 No, my first question was roast to me.

Speaker 8 And then make me feel better by roasting my wife.

Speaker 4 Let me know I'm not alone.

Speaker 1 He gave me some honest feedback. Some of which I felt, you know, not just the roast.
i was uh you're like do i talk about having a podcast too much

Speaker 4 yeah in costco

Speaker 1 anyways we have a great episode lined up for y'all today shannon storms bedour returns to the battlefiles to talk oc finale and she doesn't hold back she does not hold back also we have the love is blind reunion to cover we have a little he said she said with allie and anton who will both be joining us this episode as well so a lot to get into also we have a great going deeper.

Speaker 1 It's certainly he said, she said, but at the same time, Jordan and Sparkle Megan will be on the couch on Wednesday. Together.
Catching up. Together.

Speaker 1 Both with child. Yes.
Yeah. Both with child.
So, yeah, that'll be interesting to have them together. I'm not sure what to expect, but it will be a banger of an episode.
I can promise you that.

Speaker 1 Also, we have Timothy Simons from the hit show. Nobody wants this.
Now, season two is on Netflix. Everyone's watching.
Everyone's loving it. He returns to the Wild Fouls.
He was a guest back in

Speaker 1 a long time ago. Really? What was he talking about back then? We were just talking.
Just talking.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was before, long before any of you probably showed up.

Speaker 1 Question for the ladies in relationships. Marriage.
Seriously. Like, you're married.
You're engaged. We're married.

Speaker 1 If you die,

Speaker 1 if you die, how long is it acceptable before I get remarried?

Speaker 1 Whoa.

Speaker 1 Never. Whoa.
What if I got remarried in a year?

Speaker 8 Oh, my God. Who is she?

Speaker 1 No, that's crazy. I would come back and haunt you.

Speaker 4 First of all, like, that's too soon.

Speaker 1 In a year? I'm not going to get into who just got remarried. His wife passed away in June of 24.
Also, he's had a glow up. Oh.
He's got a beard now. He's like hot now.
He's smiling in pictures.

Speaker 1 His new wife.

Speaker 1 I do not know what his old wife looks like they had they had four kids together i don't know how his wife passed wow did he smile before yeah i don't i don't i don't i only saw one photo and the the before photo was like um like a portrait okay photo okay of him him smiling yeah no a year you're in six but it was less than six six like a little over a year yeah hmm Too soon for me.

Speaker 4 I mean, I'm married. I don't think you ever need to get married again.

Speaker 4 You could have like a girlfriend, I guess. But also, like, you are older than me.

Speaker 1 Doesn't it take like a a year to mourn someone's death or something, as they say?

Speaker 7 Isn't the rule, it's like it's however you like half however long you were together to like get over it or something?

Speaker 1 Something like that.

Speaker 7 Yeah. So like

Speaker 1 20 years. Yeah.

Speaker 3 It better take 10 years at least to get over me.

Speaker 8 At the very least.

Speaker 1 Anyways, I was.

Speaker 7 This is dark, but isn't there a thing where like widowers are hot to people or no?

Speaker 4 Are they? I mean, I'm sure there's a fetish for everything.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I did hear that when you're on your period, you're hotter.

Speaker 1 Excuse me? Oh, that's what I heard. I've never heard that.

Speaker 6 I'm more attractive to men when you're on your period, apparently. Pheromones.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yes, of course.

Speaker 3 Some people are werewolves.

Speaker 1 I mean, I don't know. I've never been like, she must be on her period.

Speaker 8 I'm ready for, no, I'm beating you away with a stick.

Speaker 1 Get the fuck away.

Speaker 8 We've kind of giving it away.

Speaker 1 That's why.

Speaker 7 So do you think this guy, this new woman that he was with, was just on her period and that's why they got married?

Speaker 1 Maybe.

Speaker 1 Could be. Anyway, there was a glow up for me that I found a bit jarring.
I'm like, damn, he looks good.

Speaker 8 I'd be rolling over in my grave.

Speaker 4 Oh, yeah, I definitely feel like I would haunt you for sure.

Speaker 4 Like, your new girlfriend, your new wife would be like, so, like, things keep falling off the wall.

Speaker 1 What if you just, like, possessed the new wife, and then you took over her body?

Speaker 1 Because then you're back.

Speaker 4 That's like a moment. I want to show Nick it was me, though.

Speaker 9 You just, like, know that one secret.

Speaker 7 It's like that one scene in Ghost.

Speaker 8 Or is it what lies beneath?

Speaker 1 Is that the whole story?

Speaker 1 Yeah, with you guys.

Speaker 6 Come up with a secret. Only you guys will know so that when Natalie comes back to haunt you, she can.

Speaker 7 That's a really good idea.

Speaker 4 Well, we did have halloween weekend this past weekend and it was i do have to say more fun now that river is like able to walk and kind of understands the concept a little bit last year she was her little strawberry and we just like walked around and no one ever really wanted to give her candy because they knew like we were just gonna eat it you know so they were like

Speaker 4 next house but she had so much fun we were with so many kids and i taught her to say trick or treat and she said chi chi

Speaker 1 and it was really cute and she was a little cat it was a lot of fun And then one of the dad, I, you know, I think River is really fast. Okay.
She's not even two. She's got some wheels.

Speaker 1 But again, I have nothing to compare it to. Okay.
And then we were trick-or-treating. And then with one of the families, they have a son, River's age.
River was racing, beating him.

Speaker 1 And now I want, I want, is it, would it be weird to like under three-year-olds get a bunch of races going? Nothing. Yeah, it feels a little bit kind of like

Speaker 4 they have crawl races.

Speaker 1 That's what hacky sock races are. I want to get.

Speaker 9 Princess Diana participated in her kids and won.

Speaker 1 I would like to get a group of dads with age rages and have our kids race. For race.
For money. For money.
That's really.

Speaker 7 That's like that one Seinfeld episode where he races that guy.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You should do it.
I think you should. I think she's really fast.
He was like, damn, she's fast.

Speaker 1 What was he dressed up as?

Speaker 8 The other little kitchen was racing.

Speaker 1 Yeah. A football player.

Speaker 9 Oh, so the cat's faster than the football player.

Speaker 6 Probably a defensive player. Yeah.

Speaker 4 What was Louis dressed as?

Speaker 6 He was baby shark. Oh, cute.

Speaker 4 Do y'all listen to that song a lot?

Speaker 6 Baby shark, dooted.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we listen to it a lot. We listen to it a lot.
Also, there were some girls dressed as six and seven.

Speaker 8 What is that? What is it?

Speaker 1 Apparently, dictionary.com has named six, seven as the 2025 word of the year. It's not even a word.
It's not since two words.

Speaker 6 Can someone explain it to me? Because I also saw someone dressed as six and seven. I don't know what this is.

Speaker 1 Total and kids are saying.

Speaker 9 I did just call it 67 a couple minutes ago, and Sierra corrected me. So So apparently I'm unkn and she's not.

Speaker 7 It's just like a nonsensical saying.

Speaker 9 It's the way you say it, Natalie, please do.

Speaker 1 6'7.

Speaker 4 What does it mean? I'm one of the kids.

Speaker 7 What does it mean? It's just supposed to be absurdist, I think.

Speaker 1 It's supposed to be absurd.

Speaker 7 Yeah, it intentionally has no meaning to piss people.

Speaker 1 It's the way you say it.

Speaker 9 Like, that's why people just 6'7.

Speaker 1 So, like, you know, you could be like, why'd you do this that way? You'd be like, 6'7.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God.

Speaker 7 I get it. I don't know.
I think that was it.

Speaker 8 It's like, if you get frustrated, then it's like mission accomplished.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I think it's just, yeah.

Speaker 4 Remember the game?

Speaker 1 The movie? No, I know what you're talking about.

Speaker 6 Well, when you're like, I just lost the game. It was a thing where it was just like, you just say, I lost the game.
Cause it's like, whenever you remember the game, you lose the game.

Speaker 6 And then you say it. And then everybody gets pissed because then they all lose the game.
Lose the game.

Speaker 7 It's kind of like cheese touch for Diary of a Wimpy Kid fans out there.

Speaker 6 That's what this reminds me.

Speaker 4 I feel like you bring up Diary of a Wimpy Kid more often than not it's just like it was a really really impactful book series and film series on me as a child well so dictionary.com says the origin of this most modern use of six seven is thought to be a song called doot do by scrilla a nonsensical expression connected to a song and a basketball player is what merriam webster is telling me okay

Speaker 1 6'7

Speaker 1 i feel like you know i think it is did i do it right i feel like we had things that like our parents didn't know what they meant right i mean well, we were, we were watching the there's a new show on Peacock about John Wayne Gacy, the serial killer.

Speaker 1 They're pretty decent.

Speaker 7 And

Speaker 7 they say 6'7 in it?

Speaker 1 No, they say far out. Your hair's, they're like, hey, your hair's far out.
Far out. Which is like, yeah, it was something like back in the day.
Yeah, like you have a big forehead.

Speaker 1 No, it was

Speaker 1 like, oh, far out. It's out of this world.
That's so cool. Like, 6'7.
Got it. Got it.
Far out.

Speaker 7 When I was in high school, one of my friends' dads was like, you know what we used to say all the time, Grody to the max. And I was like, that's an amazing expression.
Grodie to the the max.

Speaker 7 Grody to the max.

Speaker 4 Early 2000s slang included bling, fashion jewelry, dope. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Dope. Dope.
Dope. Fly.
I still use dope. Fly is a little bit older than 2000.

Speaker 6 I'm so down.

Speaker 1 Oh, fat.

Speaker 4 P-H-A-T-U. Oh, fat.

Speaker 6 Pretty hot and tempting.

Speaker 1 That was tricky. That was really tricky.

Speaker 4 Greetings and farewells, we had faux shizzle.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we did have the

Speaker 4 mistakes and understandings.

Speaker 1 No, duh.

Speaker 4 Which means obviously. Yeah.
No, duh. No, duh.

Speaker 1 Do you remember Kronk? Kronk is on here, too.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Kronk is on here.
Wiggin' Out.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Wig. A burn is an insult.

Speaker 1 Ooh, burn.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Psych.

Speaker 1 I think I said that a couple days ago.

Speaker 4 Vana Pump Rules has released their trailer for the new season. All new cast.

Speaker 1 Is the pump guy.

Speaker 1 Was he on Love Island?

Speaker 9 No, he was definitely on Perfect Match. No?

Speaker 1 Perfect Match.

Speaker 6 Is he this one?

Speaker 10 We all recognize this one.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 he was on Perfect Match. Yeah.
Yeah. It was Perfect Match.
It was Perfect Match.

Speaker 4 Chris, isn't that his name?

Speaker 6 Yeah, Chris Han.

Speaker 4 It feels weird. I hate that they used the likeness of all the past casts to open it up.
Like, that's weird. If you're going to start fresh and reboot, then start fresh and reboot.

Speaker 9 Like, I got chills from that intro.

Speaker 4 No, the intro was great, but it's because it's our like iconic characters and they're no longer there. So don't put them in your trailer.
And like the new cast, it feels performative.

Speaker 4 It feels like they know what they need to do. And like they've seen it before.

Speaker 4 They know the script.

Speaker 1 Well, maybe the V. I don't know, reality TV.

Speaker 7 Yeah, that's the thing. I don't, like, you truly can never recreate early VPR because they had no concept of what they were doing.

Speaker 7 And that's what made it so good. And you just don't get reality TV like that anymore in general.
because it's such an industry now.

Speaker 9 I want to watch it.

Speaker 1 I'm going to, oh, I'm seated for the record.

Speaker 4 But you do. You do get that in first season shows.
Like the lack of self-awareness. Like our show, Age of Attraction.

Speaker 1 So good. So good.

Speaker 4 This, they've all seen it before. They know what they need to do.
So that's why, I don't know.

Speaker 3 We'll see. We'll definitely take a peek.

Speaker 1 Before we get to Shannon Storm Bedor and talk about the OC finale, it is time for the Mint Mobile Hot Take Hot Live.

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Speaker 1 All right, let's play the first scorching hot take.

Speaker 11 I guess my hot take is I do not like that they have Taylor from The Mormon Wives on as The Bachelorette.

Speaker 11 I just personally think they could have done so much better than her and especially now with everything coming out, all this drama online and posts and I'm just not a fan.

Speaker 11 I think someone like Victoria Fuller would have been so much better. And I just kind of want to hear with you guys how everything else coming out about Taylor now.

Speaker 11 Do you guys still think it's going to be a good season? Because I just, I think they can do better. I know they're drowning, but like, come on.

Speaker 4 I don't think that's much of a hot take. I think a lot of people actually agree with you.

Speaker 1 I do think Victoria Fuller would crush as Bachelorette. Yeah.
100%.

Speaker 1 That we did not submit this.

Speaker 4 Yeah, that was not me on the phone, I promise you. I do think she would crush.
Although, I think, I think, regardless, it's going to be a a good season because I don't think Taylor can be produced.

Speaker 4 I think who she is is who you get. And we love that person on Mormon Wives.
And I think she'll be a great bachelorette. I think it'll be a different season than what everyone's used to.

Speaker 4 And maybe that's what a lot of people are just scared or nervous about.

Speaker 1 But I'm excited for Taylor. I mean,

Speaker 1 I think Victoria would have been great. The stuff that's quote unquote coming out has been up before.

Speaker 1 I just think a lot of new people who are like OG Bachelor fans and maybe didn't jump on the Mormon wives, you know, bandwagon early are just, it's thinking a lot of stuff's kind of being regurgitated.

Speaker 1 You know, to Nalia's point, like the Bachelor franchise leadership is a hot pile. of dog shit right now.
I mean, it is.

Speaker 1 Like just the, they had the scandal like a year ago when it came to the executive producers and a lot of internal drama. They have been like trying and new showrunners.

Speaker 1 There's still more drama coming out on the streets, so to speak.

Speaker 1 The Golden Bachelor, I think, was just a hot, stinking pile of trash. Don't forget Bachelor in Paradise.
Golden Bachelor was good. Yeah, Joan was good.

Speaker 1 But then, you know, like, they should have fired Mel after he put out those statements. The showrunner, I, you know, I've, again, I know a lot of people.
Maybe they're biased.

Speaker 1 Maybe they have an axe to grind. I don't know.
But I've heard some reasonable criticisms that seem to have come to fruition. So we'll see.
Like,

Speaker 1 I'm rooting for Taylor Frankie Paul, and I'm rooting for the Bachelor franchise. But, I mean, while Natalia says like she can't be produced, they still need to produce the show.

Speaker 1 And I think a good producer would know how to work with someone like Taylor Frankie Paul. The question is, are they going to lean too much on like the Bachelor like playbook and like not be creative?

Speaker 1 How are they going to use the star that is Taylor Frankie Paul and marry it with a legacy show?

Speaker 1 And their ability or inability to do that will define its success.

Speaker 8 I say let her be messy and then we can always rein it back. But I'm like, try something different, let her go the distance, and then let's see how people react to it.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 8 Versus like already being afraid because she's different from any like cookie-cutter idea of a bachelorette.

Speaker 4 Because, like, we can always dip back into the arsenal, right?

Speaker 4 We can always pull Victoria Fuller unless she is married or in a relationship, but we can always find Susie Evans or whoever else from Bachelor Nation.

Speaker 4 But yeah, let's just see what happens here and maybe it re-releases.

Speaker 1 Also,

Speaker 7 you know our our caller didn't offer any new ideas i mean a victoria fuller i guess was her one idea which is a great idea i stand by it i feel like as someone who's not like locked in in bachelor niche i'm so much i'm actually like really excited to watch taylor freaky paul's the bachelor where i'm intrigued yeah i'm like i normally I watch it because, you know, we talk about it here.

Speaker 7 But even if this, if I didn't work here, I would be watching this season. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 So I'm excited. Well, this is the second call.

Speaker 14 Hey, household, this is Shannon calling from Northeast Michigan. I love listening to the show.

Speaker 14 I also love watching you guys redo The Lake House for Nick's family, and I think that's just really awesome. So enjoy up north.
But my hot take is about Love is Blind.

Speaker 14 I thought it was strange that Anton got kind of the alcoholic take when Annie was blackout drunk every episode. Yeah, I felt bad for, was it Nick she was partnered with?

Speaker 14 I feel like he wanted to say something about it, but was afraid to embarrass her. So, yeah, I think Annie should be taking some heat for that.
I think she also had a DUI conviction.

Speaker 14 So, that's my hot take. Thanks.

Speaker 1 There are rumors and speculation floating on the

Speaker 1 bottom.

Speaker 7 I agree with this caller.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, she's not wrong.

Speaker 4 I don't think they ever showed Annie like, I feel like we saw more examples of Anton drinking or, you know, like her, him getting home from work at six in the morning and like going to the fridge to open up a beer and like Allie voicing like, hey, that doesn't feel normal or like, hey, where, like, we had the conversations.

Speaker 4 And yeah, maybe Nick was like a little bit too nervous to have those conversations with Annie.

Speaker 4 I think the only time we had her talk about like being super drunk was after the like rodeo night where they're eating. He's like, I just want to eat my chilupa or whatever the eating chocolate.

Speaker 4 But Allie made it a thing.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Well, that's the thing I was going to say.

Speaker 8 Anton, Allie asked him, I guess, beforehand what his lifestyle was like, and Anton led her to believe that he didn't really drink like that.

Speaker 4 It was like a clean lifestyle.

Speaker 8 Yeah, so that's where I'm like, that's why I think it became highlighted. Whereas like Annie, obviously they didn't have a conversation about her drinking or like beforehand.

Speaker 8 Because it was just her normal behavior, I guess. Right.
You know? Thank you, Shannon.

Speaker 4 And thank you so much for following the Lake House. It's been actually so fun.

Speaker 1 All right. We got one more hot take before we get to Shannon Storm Bedor.

Speaker 14 Hi, team Biophiles. This is Kat.
So I I have two really quick hot takes.

Speaker 14 First hot take is that Jordan from Love is Blind needs to be the new bachelor because if they're doing this with Frankie Paul, then why can't they pull someone from Love is Blind?

Speaker 14 And he's like so sweet, so innocent.

Speaker 12 I think the story about his kids is just, yeah, the whole thing.

Speaker 14 And he's so attractive. Number two, Joe is my favorite person from the season of Love is Blind.
I love him. I thought he carried the whole show.
I thought he was the funniest person.

Speaker 14 He is like a mess, don't get me wrong, but he did carry the show. The rest of the cast sucked.

Speaker 12 Everyone else was in sucked.

Speaker 7 Sweet, lovely Jordan.

Speaker 14 Stop giving me the new name. Yeah, those are my hot takes.
Thanks for sharing. Bye.

Speaker 1 Interesting take. Here's the thing.
I can tell you why Taylor Frankie Paul was picked as the best shred and while Jordan will not be, but there is hope for Jordan.

Speaker 1 Taylor is part of the Hulu/slash Disney franchise universe. Synergy.

Speaker 1 And these platforms are becoming more and more like isolated uh we natalie and i are part of the netflix universe now um we've been people don't want the competition yeah they don't want so jordan will not be considered if for no other reason other than that even if he even if he was perfect but that netflix is coming out with the you know i think if harry jousey has his show let's marry harry let's marry harry but what we've come to learn i think is that like you know whether he does or doesn't get married or engaged like is there you know all you don't make a show unless there's a possibility for a season two or three.

Speaker 1 But, like, while the this is very much like the Netflix is their bachelor, so they could find a Jordan, a Let's Marry Jordan, Let's Marry Jordan, right?

Speaker 1 So, any man in their or woman in their universe that like really pops on these shows, um, or someone they found, Let's Marry Jess Vestal, you know, they could have their very bachelor type of shows.

Speaker 1 Good idea, yeah, yeah. I think that, I think that is the Netflix point, or you, Kat, could slide into Jordan's DMs.
Or Joe, Joe. Let's marry Joe.
Let's marry Joe. Let's marry Joe.

Speaker 7 I did. You know, I agree with, I did love Jordan and Joe a lot.
I mean, Joe, Loki seems evil in a relationship.

Speaker 7 Not going to deny that.

Speaker 1 Kind of just seems like a putts. Yeah.
Evil is a little strong. I was going to say, Joe doesn't have a problem dating, though.

Speaker 7 If there was anyone that, like, I think at a party, I would end up just, like, hanging out with and having a really fun conversation with.

Speaker 1 Joe.

Speaker 7 It would be Joe. Like, Joe and I would vibe.

Speaker 1 He's pretty funny.

Speaker 9 I don't think he carried the season, though.

Speaker 1 Carried's a little strong.

Speaker 7 I think Sparkle Meghan Loki carried the season.

Speaker 1 I don't think anyone carried it. I think it was evenly distributed.
100%.

Speaker 1 Yeah, sure.

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Speaker 1 All right. Well, it's time to get into OC.
I think we have a rapid recap before we get to Shannon.

Speaker 4 Of course, we have a rapid recap because Mary works hard.

Speaker 1 Oh my God. Thank you, you guys.

Speaker 4 Well, if you missed the most recent episode of the Rural Housewives of Orange County, here is your rapid recap. Gretchen thinks lethargic and cathartic are the same word.

Speaker 4 Shannon only does mushrooms in Amsterdam. Tamara is willing to be a swinger, but again, only in Amsterdam.
Then the women enter a house of horrors, aka a room with photos of themselves.

Speaker 4 Tamara asks Chat GPT, just like Nick, to make a friendship contract for her and Gretchen, you will never be Cynthia Bailey and Nini Lynx. Heather spreads her dad's ashes into the Amsterdam River.

Speaker 4 Shannon has her price tag sticking out of her ass, 10 out of 10 iconic no-notes. The girls channel their inner Lance Armstrong doing drugs and then riding bikes.

Speaker 4 Then we finally get to Chekhov's alleged problematic Instagram post. Gina brings it up.
Tamara makes it clear that Jesus loves gay people too. Heather deBrow is seeing red.
Shannon cries.

Speaker 4 Gretchen denies it and says she loves the community, but is also super chill about the whole thing. The girls are like, okay, prove it, bitch, and make her take another car.

Speaker 4 But they're also like, Gretchen has only been nice to gay people. So this is all really confusing.
The girls finally realize Tamra planted this and Gina was the Patsy.

Speaker 4 Tamara just thinks Karma's a bitch. Then it's revealed that Tamara has been leaking info about the season to bloggers and the press.
Overall, what is going on in Orange County?

Speaker 4 Honestly, that was a crazy ending.

Speaker 1 It worked for love.

Speaker 1 We We have a new intern, everybody. I feel like everybody's

Speaker 1 a nickname.

Speaker 1 Oh my God. We'll find it.

Speaker 1 We have an intern at the Wild Fowls. We made him get us coffee.

Speaker 5 Wild episode.

Speaker 7 Crazy.

Speaker 9 We got my sound bites that have been waiting all season for.

Speaker 8 Do we want to start light or do we want to start heading?

Speaker 9 I think we go all the way to the end. I think there's only

Speaker 3 only one discussion.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's only dark.

Speaker 7 Like, it's like, it's fun, silly fluff, and then you get homophobia alleged.

Speaker 8 I'm going to say, I couldn't hang a day with these housewives in anti-communists.

Speaker 1 Well, it's either homophobia or using homophobia as a way to try to ruin someone's life and weaponizing that against someone, which they're both terrible, and I don't like either of them.

Speaker 4 And like, I felt like Tamra was really the only like vocal one to the point where it was like, you're really doing a lot. You know, it felt very like Lisa-esque

Speaker 4 on the yacht being like, you know, it was like, you're really, like, pushing hard against Gretchen here, like, really trying to push a narrative.

Speaker 1 I don't get the whole, like, you're too calm, you're too, like, you know, with Lisa, we criticized Lisa because she was too, in Salt Lake City, because she was too aggressive, too big, too loud.

Speaker 7 Gretchen obviously seemed very caught off guard, is what I'll say.

Speaker 1 It wouldn't strike me if Gretchen isn't that tech savvy. So like when you're like, hey, you liked a bunch of things, you're like, oh.
You know what I'm saying? I wasn't even a bunch.

Speaker 4 It was one person. Whatever.

Speaker 1 There were multiple that were, that were showing. I'm just saying, if someone, like, you're just, you're like, Gretchen's first thought wasn't like, well, that's not possible.

Speaker 9 I'm she probably doesn't know it can be faked you know she was like I don't know I scroll fast and like things and I have to say I don't scroll fast or like things but if River gets a hold of my phone there is absolutely no telling yeah what I have gotten into I do understand that she's reacting to combo like I think the conversation should have ended with what Heather was saying like not what Tamara was saying when Heather was like, you do need to defend yourself in this moment.

Speaker 9 And that's why I'm just like,

Speaker 1 but she could have offered anything but silence, but she was just. She got there.
I mean, she was obviously crying at the end.

Speaker 9 She did after, but like, at the table.

Speaker 1 I think her mother's not. I think it's just a real dangerous thing to assume, played judge, jury, and executioner based off of someone's emotional reaction to being called, to an accusation.

Speaker 4 I think her raw reaction was when she called Slade, and that's exactly what I would have done in that situation. Like, I'm calling Nick.

Speaker 4 I'm like, these women, at the end of the day, they're not my best friends. You know, like, I haven't seen or hung out with them that often over the past few years.
And she knows Tamra's history.

Speaker 4 So I feel like, yeah, I'm stepping away. I'm calling my husband, and she like is crying on the phone with her husband being like, I don't understand what's going on.
Like, they're saying this.

Speaker 4 I, it's, I don't know what to do. He's obviously reacting and like, whoa, what the fuck? Like, that's not you.

Speaker 4 And then we have preview for reunion, which was what Gretchen told me when I saw her at that movie premiere of like, she has spent thousands of dollars with the cyber analysis team to like uncover where the posts came from.

Speaker 1 So, in theory, you could argue that she spent thousands of dollars to scrub it, to scrub it, or to, or just to say she spent thousands of dollars. That doesn't necessarily prove.

Speaker 8 I will say, I've seen articles talking about this from two years ago before she was on the show.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I think my biggest issue with this is that, like, I don't know if I think Gretchen liked these posts or not.

Speaker 7 I think there's a very, the most likely chance is that, like, it could have been Gretchen was following these accounts. You know what I mean?

Speaker 7 And that also is a bit troubling, but then also, like, neither here nor there. Exactly.

Speaker 8 I followed a Larry David account that like turned into like an OnlyFans account out of nowhere so like I get it I think the biggest thing is just like Tamara you sat on this for a year like I don't know why that wasn't immediately like all of these wit if we knew about it all of these women knew about it well that was my problem with Tamara throughout the years is that it's like again she constantly is the one that is always bringing up other people's stuff and we never know anything going on with her so that's why I wouldn't I can't talk about the Shannon interview can I but Shannon has a lot to say Shannon does have a lot to say But it's like even in the beginning of this season with Katie, it's like, who brought all of this stuff about Katie recording Shannon?

Speaker 8 Tamara. Who's bringing up the who got roofied and talking to Kiki Monique? Tamra.
It's like none of the other women are bringing this stuff to the forefront.

Speaker 8 So it's like, why does Tamara constantly feel the need to bring other people's shit to the forefront?

Speaker 7 It's just like, I want to see these women fighting over. caviar

Speaker 1 or like i'm just like i'm so haven't we learned at the roni and other shows that like you don't need to go to a level that you don't have to go this far and then also to see at the end of the episode that like I mean they're speaking to Darth Vader on the phone but like

Speaker 4 being like she and giving them every single beat of this season like and it was portrayed in a way where it like definitely came from Tamra's voice of like Tamra and Katie get together and and find common ground you know it's like where's that coming from she took the high road walking out of the forest she took the high road walking out and Tamra's defense like the Bravo sleuths, will know like every plot of a season before it's even aired.

Speaker 9 Like you'll find a picture, you'll find someone who's the way you're doing.

Speaker 1 Was it Tamra the whole time? Who knows?

Speaker 9 But like every franchise that happens, so she gets like 2% of the benefit of the doubt that like this. And then once the blog gets a chance, of course, they're going to be like, it was Sierra.

Speaker 8 My thing is the spinning of the narrative of like, I'm the victim. Gretchen always does this to me for the big reveal to be you're the one that's calling bloggers.

Speaker 8 You've got Katie kicked off the show essentially because everybody hates her because she's talking to bloggers.

Speaker 1 And you're the season that. that

Speaker 7 for the record, I did not enjoy Gretchen this season.

Speaker 1 I do want to make that clear.

Speaker 9 I did. And that's why to me, I'm like, I think I stand by.

Speaker 1 It sounds like you don't believe Gretchen.

Speaker 9 No, I stand by the fact that I think Heather should have had the last say in it. And she kind of said it in the Sprinter Van, which she's like, she has a personal stake in this conversation.

Speaker 9 And the whole time at the dinner, Heather was just like.

Speaker 9 you do have to prove something so prove it and then tamara was the one that was like screaming and making a drama so i feel like it should have stopped at heather and i think we have to wait wait to see like what actually happened.

Speaker 1 Final question before we get to Shannon, like how much do you guys feel like Bravo has a responsibility here? I mean like they chose to go along with this. They chose to like let this play out.

Speaker 1 Like the fact that like some of these housewives feel the need to do stuff like this, that it's gotten this dark and that they

Speaker 1 go along with it.

Speaker 1 You could have producers being like, guys, what are we, this is not the show. What are we, what are we doing here?

Speaker 4 That's a good question because even when like Anne Marie was on Beverly Hills, we all hear about scenes that were cut with anne marie so it's like there's yeah i think it's an interesting question like when do you just remove it well because i mean ann marie it was the whole thing it was like the case the allegations against her husband which like we're serious it's yeah it seems like if that incredibly serious how is that not fair game but like this is it feel you know well you can argue that like husband versus actual housewife are you kidding these women go after each other's families non-stop i mean meredith marks you, the, the, you want to talk about husbands?

Speaker 4 You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 1 that's an interesting question for sure.

Speaker 9 I don't think there's like a yes or no or like a do this or do that.

Speaker 7 Yeah. I think what's interesting to me about this is like, if these posts are in fact real, right? Which I don't, I don't know if they are.
Like, I really have no idea.

Speaker 1 Is it okay to say that like, I don't know like how old they are or what I don't, I have never, I haven't seen these posts, so I don't know what they are.

Speaker 7 They're like, if you look at what allegedly she liked, it's pretty disgusting.

Speaker 1 Do we care more about like the person and how they actually speak and interact with

Speaker 1 the queer community? And

Speaker 1 what if, what if five years ago Gretchen did say something or do something incredibly bigoted or insensitive, but since then has educated herself and immersed herself in a community with queer.

Speaker 1 I mean, what do we care?

Speaker 7 I mean, yeah, I mean, I like, I don't, I don't disagree with you at all.

Speaker 7 I think what I'm trying to like figure out is just like, if these posts are real, Bravo would have, again, people knew about it.

Speaker 7 Like, as soon as Gretchen got announced, like, Sia and I were talking about it. Like, we saw that these posts were like whatever.
And I didn't know if they were real or not.

Speaker 7 And that's why I've kind of been like a dick to Gretchen this whole season a bit. But my question is, is like, if they are real, Bravo absolutely knew about it.

Speaker 7 So if they are real, why are you putting this woman on the show knowing that like Heather has like gay and trans children? Like, that's just my question.

Speaker 7 It just doesn't make sense.

Speaker 1 Also, you do have Bravo out there letting Gretchen speak about her innocence, and they're promoting going into the reunion. Gretchen, like, that might be innocent.

Speaker 1 And I don't think that's a coincidence. I think, yeah.

Speaker 9 I think we should wait and see what she actually has to say. That's why I think that Heather was like, speak, like, give us a chance to, like, believe that this is fake.

Speaker 7 Well, in general, I think it's a weird storyline, and I don't like it very good.

Speaker 1 The big question is, is, does Gretchen and Tamra both survive this? Yes. Yeah.
Do you think they both can survive?

Speaker 9 I want to bring back Gretchen. I want to bring back Tamra.

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Speaker 1 And then we'll have the reunion coming up, three-part reunion to unpack it all.

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Speaker 1 Shannon, welcome back. Hola.
So good to be with you.

Speaker 1 You brighten my day when I see you. Okay.
All right. Thank you.
You do.

Speaker 1 You're very kind.

Speaker 1 You have a spirit about you that I enjoy.

Speaker 1 You're funny.

Speaker 13 And you know, I think I was here right before Halloween last year.

Speaker 1 You were, because we didn't

Speaker 1 have Halloween's booth. It is our

Speaker 1 happy anniversary. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Congratulations to another banger season.

Speaker 13 Well, thank you. It wasn't a lot about me, which I was quite grateful for.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I guess in the best possible way. Yes.

Speaker 1 We obviously have a three-part three-part reunion,

Speaker 1 which I'm very excited about, but we have a lot to unpack about the season itself. Okay.
But like, how are you feeling? Like, what's let's just catch up with Shannon first.

Speaker 1 Like, outside of OC, how are you? How's your heart?

Speaker 13 How are you? It's good. It's good.
And, you know, I say this often, but I've always kind of defined my life in the relationship that I'm in.

Speaker 13 And I did try a little bit of a relationship on the Love Hotel, which was a disaster.

Speaker 13 So, and, you know, have you for, are we okay i just want to check because oh yeah yes of course okay of course but i'm just direct but i i did text you right away but it was not it wasn't mean it was just honest it seems like you guys have agreed to just be it's coexist it's so it's okay it's done it's done and so specifically love hotel there was a something was there was a there there for a moment well i didn't it was a dating show but i wasn't really a part of a dating show because i was with one person okay the whole time and you know i know that when i watch certain dating shows, I want people to work out.

Speaker 13 So I really tried after, you know, after the show was done to maintain my relationship and it just didn't, it didn't work.

Speaker 13 So I basically been single since then because I'll be honest with you watching it back, I was, I made myself vulnerable and I was mad at myself that I did.

Speaker 1 So I don't know. You were mad that you made yourself vulnerable?

Speaker 13 Well, it's just because I got hurt, you know, because as I was watching the show six months later, I remember that I really did care about this person at the beginning.

Speaker 13 And so it just, I don't want to get hurt, but I'm good being single. I did just come back from New York where I did go on four dates with somebody.
Oh my God.

Speaker 8 With one person.

Speaker 1 She's like flex.

Speaker 1 Did you get some?

Speaker 13 No, that's, I need a connection in order to take that next step. I'm very old school.

Speaker 4 You didn't get find a connection after four dates?

Speaker 13 No, there's definitely a connection. There's definitely a connection.
But, you know, he lives in New York York and he's a,

Speaker 13 you know, I don't know.

Speaker 8 You're in the process of connecting.

Speaker 13 He's a, yeah, I'm not going to say anything. He's very private.

Speaker 1 Did we make out at least?

Speaker 13 Well, there might have been some little concerns.

Speaker 1 Just a little.

Speaker 4 Let's go. Did you get another dog, by the way?

Speaker 13 And I did get another dog.

Speaker 7 How's Archie handling that?

Speaker 13 He loves it.

Speaker 13 And, but it's a lot of, it's a lot of work. And the rescue said he was between two and three.
He's really one.

Speaker 13 so there's a lot of training still necessary but they're both happy so it's all good four dates is kind of excellent well i was there for nine days so that was like half the time

Speaker 1 every other day

Speaker 1 that sounds

Speaker 13 i don't know that's consistent yeah it was just he was he's a very kind man and like with a big heart and that's For me, that's probably the most important thing that I'm looking for.

Speaker 13 So, um, and we're still talking.

Speaker 1 I texted yesterday that i'm home yeah okay did i got home did you did he get a i got home safe text well he said let me know that you're home and i said i'm home okay and he said glad to know you're home safe that's nice sounds like a gentleman there's a there there yeah

Speaker 4 you should send him a nude today okay

Speaker 1 oh you're fun just

Speaker 13 you know We'll see, I'm having fun right now.

Speaker 13 And whether I find someone in my life or not, I'll be good either way but i but i want the partner we don't really talk about what i do or you know my work it's he doesn't know any we walked out onto the sidewalk one day and someone said is that shannon bedor and he was just he was just overwhelmed by it he's like wow they were really nice to you and who are you kind of thing so that's how what happened with us i told her i podcasted

Speaker 1 I was believing in my show before anyone else was, you know.

Speaker 4 What a complete opposite from John Jansen, housewife fucker, to a now someone who's like, I don't even know what that is.

Speaker 13 Yeah, well, you know, this person is a private person, but he really is a private person, unlike others that put that

Speaker 1 label him. May I ask? I mean, you can tell me to shut the fuck up at any point when it comes to this part of your life.
But what does he do? You can say shut the fuck up. You can say shut the fuck up.

Speaker 13 He doesn't do anything.

Speaker 13 I don't think my.

Speaker 1 Independently successful. Yes.

Speaker 1 He doesn't do much because he doesn't have to. Right, I think that's what I think.

Speaker 13 But yeah, we didn't even really get into that too because I just want to get to know the person.

Speaker 1 How'd you guys meet?

Speaker 13 Through a mutual friend.

Speaker 4 Best way.

Speaker 13 So, I mean, it's just four dates. Okay.

Speaker 4 No, no, no, but it's fun. Yeah, it's fun.

Speaker 1 Four dates and nine days and like in Gen Z terms is basically.

Speaker 1 Okay, we're getting married. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 That is a pretty heavy commitment.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So how is this? I mean, you weren't obviously a focal point. Obviously, last season was very.

Speaker 1 Well, I don't know. Last season is looking back, I mean, you did have a lot of support.

Speaker 13 Oh, I did. And I'm beyond grateful for it.
I mean, I think I said to you last year,

Speaker 13 I didn't even want to come back on the show. I was so nervous because I thought that I wasn't going to be able to crawl out of the hole I dug for myself.

Speaker 13 And I take full responsibility for putting myself in all of the situation that I was in last year, but it was tough. Okay.

Speaker 13 And it was, it was especially tough to watch back because I remembered how I was emotionally. I just, I just kept focusing on getting through it, getting through it.

Speaker 1 So who, now that the season has wrapped, you guys are obviously done filming the reunion.

Speaker 1 Obviously, we'll have to shoot it, but who, where do you feel like your closest relationships lie with your cast at this moment?

Speaker 13 Well, I'm going to say that I'm close to pretty much most of the cast, minus one.

Speaker 1 Tamera. Tamera.

Speaker 13 Yes. Okay.
So, and that's a really nice place for me to be. I mean, I can remember so many seasons.
I start out with zero friends. So it's quite nice.
And

Speaker 13 I pretty much kept in touch with everyone.

Speaker 1 We were Katie fans.

Speaker 1 And we couldn't help but notice that Katie hasn't really been on the show. And obviously,

Speaker 1 I would be upset if someone filmed me, to be clear.

Speaker 1 But you were done with Katie. Where do you stand with Katie today?

Speaker 13 You know, I'm going to, as a housewife, I'm going to.

Speaker 13 say never, say never.

Speaker 13 We did have some looks with each other at the reunion because it's a doozy but you know i haven't i haven't spoken through and i think that what i didn't make clear number one i immediately apologized for me

Speaker 13 overacting what happened was very i felt very very violated and because of the explanation of what happened is not accurate it's not true at all nobody knew that i was upset that day i did my job nothing was delayed like but the the false story out there is frustrating for me but i was very close to Katie when it happened.

Speaker 13 We had just come back from London four days earlier, and I had left that trip early. I was spent and very down at that time.

Speaker 13 And so, to know that that happened four days after, you know, she was giving me basically an enema in London.

Speaker 13 So, pretty close to David.

Speaker 1 That's personal. Yeah, personal.

Speaker 13 She's standing outside the door.

Speaker 1 So, that's trust.

Speaker 13 It is. So, that's why I felt so hurt.

Speaker 13 So we'll see what happens. You know, there was just a lot of inconsistencies.
And by the way, not one of us, to my knowledge, said, I'm not filming with her.

Speaker 13 It was like the next time we filmed, where's Katie? She's not here.

Speaker 13 It was not.

Speaker 13 This was no, you know, concerted group, you know, let's ban her at all.

Speaker 7 There was no turret discussion of banning Katie.

Speaker 1 So as far as you can tell, you didn't talk to any producers or collaborate with your cast members.

Speaker 13 Absolutely. And you can can see at the beach party, I say, is Katie coming? And someone says, no, she's not coming.
And I say, oh.

Speaker 1 So why do you think

Speaker 1 she

Speaker 1 was put on pause, quite literally?

Speaker 13 Well, I think that's because if

Speaker 13 you really look at the stories that were told, none of them add up and it just kept growing and growing and growing.

Speaker 1 What's your opinion of what you think Katie needs to do, if anything, to get back into three-part question, your good graces, the rest of the the women, and be welcomed back next season.

Speaker 13 Well, I think number one, and I know it might sound corny, but is to tell the truth.

Speaker 13 You know, she did take accountability, which is part two, take accountability.

Speaker 13 For me, she took accountability saying, yes, I did record you, but her whole explanation of what happened, none of it is truth-based.

Speaker 1 Remind me in the audience, like, what is the truth that you think is the truth and what you need to hear from Katie?

Speaker 13 I just think that she needs to say I was I dug a hole for myself and I didn't know how to get out of it. So then I just created more untruths.

Speaker 1 Do you have, can you remind us of the specific, I mean, truly, I kind of forgot what it was because like I know she's talking to bloggers and inviting them to her wedding and there's those relationships, but what What specifically is the thing that bothers you the most of what you want her to come clean about?

Speaker 13 Well, I just think that for all of my castmates to, you know, and I myself had dinners with her where she would say, I know this information about this person.

Speaker 13 And I always say, I don't want to get into that. I don't want to.
And she did it for each person. And that's hurtful.

Speaker 13 And I just, I don't like to, I'm the kind of friend, and you and I texted about this, that when someone says, well, she hasn't done anything to me, so I don't have a problem with her.

Speaker 13 When I see someone do something unkind to someone I care about,

Speaker 13 I'm diving in. Yeah,

Speaker 1 I couldn't agree more.

Speaker 1 Nothing I find more irritating than when people say when they get offended by you questioning their loyalty to you or how close you are as friends and then simultaneously get mad at you for having an expectation of them because they don't want to distance themselves from someone who they say didn't do anything to them is the most horseshit thing

Speaker 1 someone can say.

Speaker 13 Welcome to reality TV.

Speaker 1 And I and to my reply is like,

Speaker 1 hey, now I I know where we stand. We're friendly.
We're civil, but like, you're not my like friend, you know, like my, I can't count on you. Like, we're not ride or dies.

Speaker 1 You're not my, you know, like, I'm not going to be, if, if I called you my best friend, I'm not calling you that anymore. Right.

Speaker 13 Yeah, I just, I spent some time with Katie, you know, off camera. We started out the season with her reaching out to Jen and I saying, let's do something for the fires in, in Los Angeles.

Speaker 13 And so I really helped. I got the restaurant, they donated the food.
We did this very small neighborhood type fundraiser, but I was very instrumental in helping throw it together.

Speaker 13 And we did spend time together. And I really enjoyed her company.
Like we always had a good time. That's why I just was so shocked about certain things.
And then the stories change.

Speaker 13 Just as an example, Gretchen told me that she was drugged and went to the hospital.

Speaker 13 Then it turned into Gretchen got a toxicology report at the hospital, which, by the way, had that happened, Gretchen would have run to anyone in the press to show them that years ago.

Speaker 13 But and then it turned into Sheena Shea was the one that brought all this up. And it just, it turns into ridiculousness.

Speaker 4 So do you know the truth at all?

Speaker 13 Do I? I mean, I do believe. that all of us, when we have a microphone strapped to our back, we misspeak all the time.

Speaker 13 I was there when Gretchen heard that Katie had said this story that she claimed she'd been roofied. And I was in shock and Gretchen was blindsided by it.
And she was just very confused.

Speaker 13 And I get processing that.

Speaker 13 Look, I said to Bron Wynne Burke once when I was mad at her, don't accuse me of things that I do. Well, I meant to say don't do.

Speaker 1 I forgot the word.

Speaker 13 So I could see that Gretchen said, I should have gone. She meant to say, I should have gone to the hospital.
She felt so sick.

Speaker 13 I believe Gretchen in that because I also, I was just in New York last week and I had a long chat with Kiki Monique and she was sitting right there.

Speaker 13 So she's, I don't think Andy Cohen is going to employ someone who doesn't tell the truth on his radio station.

Speaker 13 Kiki Monique is a, it does a reality chat with Dorinda Medley.

Speaker 1 So there you go. That's true.

Speaker 4 And do you believe that Katie never showed Alexis the recording?

Speaker 13 I

Speaker 13 well, well the reason why I don't is because Heather deBro said that she called Alexis and Alexis said yes I heard it so

Speaker 13 I don't know I so I so I would believe Alexis over Katie I mean that's I don't know yeah

Speaker 13 that's just what I was told it doesn't matter either way I mean the fact is that she did it and I felt violated because I was really down at that point yeah that's fair I'm assuming that she does apologize to you at some point.

Speaker 13 Do you well, she tried to, but, you know, I sat down with her after we went to the golden door and i tried to help and i said if you're going to truly apologize no apology but don't say but so she did apologize to me for recording me but there were buts yeah there were buts it was my first season okay none of us recorded each other in our first season and Well, it also kind of seems like you're similarly having not an issue, but like with Jen, for example, because she's been pretty close friends with you from the start of the season, from last season.

Speaker 8 And then we have you throwing her this beautiful bridal shower. And then the conversation between her and Emily, where she was acting as if it was ridiculous.
Like, how did you feel about that?

Speaker 13 It did, it did hurt my feelings because just be honest with me.

Speaker 13 But at the same time, I think it was a little bit taken over the top by some of our cast members saying, why are we even going to this thing?

Speaker 13 We're on a reality show. Why did we go to a cake decorating party when Tamra had just done this to our table? You know, like, but we did.
We showed up. So,

Speaker 13 you know, I wanted to do a garden lunch in a beautiful spot in Corona del Mar. And I thought, well, let's do a little party for my friend.

Speaker 7 Did you think that Gina was like a little bit out of line asking that? Or she was just like stunned?

Speaker 1 Well, she's on Travis. She said, whatever.

Speaker 13 Travis and I moved back in together. That's something that we should celebrate.

Speaker 1 I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 Season 20.

Speaker 8 Are you planning a party for her next season?

Speaker 1 Yeah. It was a little out of pocket for Gina to say that, but I definitely feel like Jen was way more in the wrong.

Speaker 13 Right.

Speaker 13 But Gina said,

Speaker 13 Jen, you said this was ridiculous.

Speaker 13 Jen did not use the word ridiculous. She just said that she feels uncomfortable with that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 Watching that back, because like, you know, it's what's so fascinating about your, you know, the show is like most of the time, you know, we all, like, when we leave a room, there's always like, listen, the mental healthy thing to do is to not give a fuck what anyone's saying about you when you're not there.

Speaker 1 The self-indulgent, psychotic thing that many of us do is being like, I wonder, you you know, what are they saying about me when I leave a room?

Speaker 1 And you, ladies, unfortunately, and fortunately for us, have the benefit of finding out sometimes what people are saying about you guys or, you know, when you leave the room. And

Speaker 1 why did Jen feel the need to say anything other than thank you?

Speaker 13 I don't know. Well, she said that before the shower.
So that's number one. But no, I...

Speaker 13 That's the worst part of the show for me. I know what I film.
I do not know what everyone else is filming. And that's why it's hard to watch the show because my feelings still get hurt.

Speaker 13 You know, I don't let like Gina's really good with, like, oh, we're on a show, just let it roll off. Not so much with me.

Speaker 13 But it did hurt my feelings, and we talked through it, you know, and I think that's the sign of a good friendship as well.

Speaker 8 So, what's your opinion on the amount of time Tamara and Katie are spending together right now?

Speaker 13 I just feel that with Tamra, there's just a lot of pre-calculated type of feelings.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's a good move.

Speaker 13 This is me getting a little bit nasty, but let's look at three of the kind of dark dramatic moments of the season. Shannon was videotaped without her knowledge.

Speaker 13 Gretchen is telling that people that she was roofied.

Speaker 13 And three,

Speaker 13 Gretchen is, you know, liking this sort of text string.

Speaker 13 Who is the one that brought each one of those topics to the show? And let's not forget that she knew about all of them for quite some time.

Speaker 13 She held them in her back pocket and she was the one that got to decide the timing. Like, let's make, let's make peace with Gretchen.

Speaker 13 Let's make up on a swing high up in the air because in two nights we're going to, we're going to expose a

Speaker 13 text string that may or may not be authentic.

Speaker 1 Interesting. Well, let's dive into that because obviously season 19 ended with a lot of, well, it was a very cliffhanger ending.

Speaker 1 I imagine we're going to get to the bottom of it during the reunion, yes? Yes, yes.

Speaker 13 Now,

Speaker 13 it's a very unique reunion.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we talked about it last week's episode of Reality Recap. And that, yeah,

Speaker 1 we live in a time on the internet, especially with AI,

Speaker 1 that you have to be very discerning about what you see. And certainly liking someone or comments or things like that, it can be very damaging depending on what those comments and likes look like.

Speaker 1 But again, we have to, I think you have to be careful jumping to conclusions.

Speaker 1 I think most people nowadays, like, you know, on the finale, was it the finale? Where Tamara's like, well, there's comments too. You know, I think it was, if it was

Speaker 1 Gina who was like, well, maybe, you know, likes can be manufactured. And it's just like, oh, comments was Tamara's response.
And I think the average person is kind of like, yeah, how do you fake that?

Speaker 13 I, uh, that is when she had a private conversation with Gina. That never came up with us that there were comments.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. No.

Speaker 13 So, you know, a lot of times maybe it when you tell the truth it's just really easy to keep track of it all it's consistent because it's the truth yeah you don't have to think of whoa could i have said that before but the bottom line is when we all saw just the first

Speaker 13 post of

Speaker 13 this uh horrible post that and you're you're aware of what these posts are yeah yes i mean i we were just all shown one in a string it was it was shocking and we all did react because you you know, I'm not thinking, oh, AI.

Speaker 13 I'm flipping 61. I don't think about tech stuff.
I'm just thinking, this is absolutely horrible.

Speaker 1 Trust your eyes.

Speaker 13 Yes.

Speaker 13 And you can see as a cast, we were all really upset about it. And to the point where, you know, ride home alone.
But what doesn't make sense is that Gretchen is a kind person.

Speaker 13 And while she does have her issues with Tamara, she was nothing but kind and didn't have any issues with any of the other casts. So we all did go back to our room, try and find the text.

Speaker 1 On a scale of one to like really problematic and just aggressive, like, because like, I think Aaron said something I haven't seen or I try not to go on the blogs or, you know, I mean be careful about rumors, but I think it was Gina who said something about like she just can't see Gretchen like hate campaign.

Speaker 1 Like how hateful were these

Speaker 1 alleged.

Speaker 13 They were horrible and they didn't show it. But I remember just being blindsided and in shock myself.
And I kept leaning leaning over to jen who was sitting next to me saying her life is over i mean

Speaker 13 there's arguing in a reality show and then there's going for life damaging topics and if this comes out and is is actually true i mean this is this is the she's canceled or you know what however you want to term it like she's done And I think we all were, it just didn't make sense.

Speaker 13 And in the finale, Heather,

Speaker 13 Jen, say this doesn't add up. Something doesn't add up

Speaker 13 this isn't gretchen so you're telling us that we should be cautious before we're jumping to conclusions to believe what what what is being alleged well you know a lot of this will come out at the reunion and gretchen does not deny following some of these accounts she followed quite a few accounts and you know i think that it's opened up all of our eyes we all went back into our Instagram to say okay who are we following and who really are these people because you'll see like a topic she's She's very faith-based.

Speaker 13 And this is what she's told us: that, like, you know, I could see like a nice religious post, and so I'll follow, but maybe not knowing who they are.

Speaker 1 There's some validity to that. I mean, hell, I mean, I used to post shirtless Bob Ross paintings and roller skating videos, and now it's all podcasting and dad content.
Like, people change their

Speaker 1 evolved, yeah. The pages can evolve, you can follow something, not pay attention to it.
People and pages do get radicalized.

Speaker 7 So, I mean, it's I followed a Larry David Kirbyour Enthusiasm page that that ended up posting like OnlyFans content out of nowhere.

Speaker 1 So like things happen.

Speaker 1 So that is,

Speaker 13 I mean,

Speaker 13 that's what she told all of us. Okay.

Speaker 1 But as far as

Speaker 13 you know, but then, you know, she's very calm too. A lot of people were saying, you know, she should have been more upset about all of this.

Speaker 13 I think everyone processes being blindsided a different way. You know, I don't know how, I don't know how I would have reacted.

Speaker 13 I probably would have been a little bit more angry, but, you know she was just you could you can kind of tell by her facial expression she's just trying to figure it all out wow so i i'm

Speaker 1 i didn't know what these messages or these these things were but i i wasn't i honestly didn't know i wasn't expecting you to uh tell us to be careful what to believe no it was it's it's it's it's horrible disturbing hate rhetoric against the lgbtq community so if we're not supposed to believe them i guess the

Speaker 13 is this being manufactured is it like i you know we all said to to gretchen

Speaker 13 like at the very end

Speaker 13 this is your responsibility proof you know she says to heather heather says proof prove it to me that you didn't do this i i think i say it to her as well emily says it to her you figure it out i said to her figure it out do you think does so you'll will you might see some things at the reunion okay come out all right do you think someone else will be held accountable within your group you know you always walk away from a reunion and you it's just a blur so i don't i can't answer that question i i really can't

Speaker 1 just thinking out loud if they're not real if gretchen is to able to successfully prove that these were manufactured by

Speaker 13 someone yeah someone it doesn't necessarily have to be a cast member it's just by someone

Speaker 13 you know if it is a cast member I mean, that's, that's a big, that's a big thing.

Speaker 1 That would, yeah, that would be pretty

Speaker 1 not good.

Speaker 1 It would be as bad as bad as if Reality Vantes. That'd be worse than that.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, if you're falsely accusing someone, that could ruin

Speaker 1 their lives. Ruin their lives.

Speaker 13 Yeah, ruin their life. And by the way, this season has been tough.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 13 on a few cast members, like it's got, there are a lot of very, very opinionated viewers. So they will reach out and send very nasty, threatening, very threatening DMs to a lot of our castmates,

Speaker 13 putting very horrible labels on them and threatening. So it's been a very different season.
So look, we all went back to our rooms and said, this is not the Gretchen that we know.

Speaker 13 This doesn't make sense. And topics will be discussed at the reunion related to this string of

Speaker 13 posts, I guess you would say.

Speaker 1 Did Alexis and John get married? Yeah, they did. Did Jen go?

Speaker 13 No, she did not.

Speaker 13 But she did did text. Jen did text Alexis saying, good luck today.

Speaker 13 And then Alexis called her and invited her to come on the day of. But Jen was busy.

Speaker 13 Yeah, Jen was busy.

Speaker 1 Going back to the Gretchen of it all.

Speaker 1 Sorry. If, if, if it does, for whatever reason, we come to find that they are authentic and that Gretchen.

Speaker 1 These likes are real and these potential comments are real.

Speaker 1 Where do you go from here with Gretchen?

Speaker 13 I mean, that's, it, I think that you can see how all of us would feel because you see it happen in real time. Okay.
You know, it's just there's no, none of us have any space.

Speaker 1 It would be hard going forward. Absolutely.

Speaker 13 I think I say in the finale, most of my friends are from the LGBT plus community. So I can't, I, I can't, you know, be close to someone that would do that.

Speaker 13 But again, you know, you'll have to watch at the reunion and see, is Gretchen capable of doing this?

Speaker 1 Do you want Katie back next year?

Speaker 13 Well, I just like,

Speaker 1 it's,

Speaker 13 I don't know. It's not my decision.

Speaker 1 Well, I'm glad you said that because

Speaker 1 first I wanted to ask that question, but then I have a follow-up question and this, let's just play a game. Do you like games? I like games.
Let's say it was.

Speaker 1 And let's say you have, as, and I, not just Shannon the person, but you're, you're, you're the producer. And so I want you to, and, and, and a fan, because I watch this as a fan too.

Speaker 1 Like, I'm not just, I understand as a human being, you have to preserve like your mental health. And you're like, I don't want to fuck with this person.

Speaker 1 But like if you had to wear all the hats of from the fan's point of view, from a producer's standpoint, obviously as a cast member, you should consider yourself. It's only fair.
Do you cast Greta?

Speaker 1 Is she good overall for the show,

Speaker 1 regardless of how you might feel about her personally?

Speaker 13 So I remember in my very first season, I wasn't getting along with Tamra and Heather. And the showrunner called me and said, we're going on an all-cast trip.

Speaker 13 So you're going to film with Tamara and Heather. And

Speaker 13 you got to get yourself on that trip because it wouldn't be believable that I would go. And so we did come to a men's, and they were actually genuine.

Speaker 13 But I would have a very similar conversation with Katie saying, How do you see yourself being able to integrate back into the group? And what are your intentions to try and get there?

Speaker 1 But would you cast her?

Speaker 13 Well,

Speaker 13 it would depend on the answer. If she were to say,

Speaker 13 I'm steadfast and I'm sticking to every single thing that i've said i would say well that that that's not gonna work that's good yeah i feel like there needs to be

Speaker 1 if if katie just is

Speaker 1 i have nothing else to say than anything i've ever said and and this is all i got to say then i guess there's maybe no point there needs to be some arc

Speaker 13 i mean what's what is your plan if if you come back what is your plan katie um same question but about tamara

Speaker 13 Wait, I was going to

Speaker 1 produce it, would you cast Tamara?

Speaker 13 You know what?

Speaker 13 I've said this many, many times. I can be angry at someone, but I would never want to interfere with anyone's livelihood.
So I never say, oh, this person should be fired or I want them fired.

Speaker 13 It's just not good energy.

Speaker 8 Would you want to bring Vicki Gunbleson back?

Speaker 13 Always. Always.

Speaker 1 Yes. Always.

Speaker 1 Why, why? And why hasn't that happened?

Speaker 13 I don't know. But Nick, I mean, come on.
She was on your show and she's like in Court of Arta. And she's like complaining about it.
Like she's doing you a favor. And like, that's just Vicki.

Speaker 13 It's classic. That's amazing.

Speaker 1 I love

Speaker 1 it. I know a lot of people think I do, but I don't take myself that seriously.
It was one of my favorite interviews.

Speaker 1 I can imagine she's off her rocker,

Speaker 1 you know. Like, um,

Speaker 1 yes, yeah, love her.

Speaker 13 So, she's just silly and fun, and you know, I have some silly moments that you see, but there were a lot more that you didn't, and that's what I enjoy.

Speaker 13 Like, being goofy and silly, and I mean, not purposefully, by the way, but just keeping it light and fun.

Speaker 1 Would you ever do

Speaker 1 a wife swap housewife edition with a single person?

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's not single other parents. We only have to give love to the

Speaker 1 daughters in town.

Speaker 1 It could be with the kids.

Speaker 13 Yeah, no, of course I would.

Speaker 4 What is your opinion on Slade?

Speaker 13 Okay, you know what? I have to tell you, for all the people that have mocked him and criticized him over the years. Which we have.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 13 He and Gretchen have been together for 16 years.

Speaker 13 They have a beautiful daughter and they are are really really happy and there have been a few things like i've been getting some prank calls recently and i texted jen and gretchen because

Speaker 13 jen got them too so i'm concerned by where i live and i'll keep it at that and like slate said i'll let me come over there i'm 10 minutes away we can go to the police station and and file a report i'll i'll take you that's very kind you know he's been nothing but kind that's a that's a good point i mean listen like uh we only know i i only know him through this show so i'm at the mercy of what I'm being shown.

Speaker 13 But through the show years ago, okay, you see him a little bit.

Speaker 1 The flashbacks. Yeah, but

Speaker 1 my lasting memory of Slade is him doing stand-up comedy and body shaming the cast. So I'm not like, okay.

Speaker 1 You know, so it's mostly predicated on that. But you make an interesting point.
And maybe I'm biased. But listen, I do think when

Speaker 1 you look at... a couple like Gretchen and Slade and you see what they've built together,

Speaker 1 that says something about people.

Speaker 1 You know, your ability to I would say the same thing about Tamara too, you know, again, like I respect people who can seemingly have a long relationship, make it work and have a family, and like, you know, whether it's with kids, but like how people are with their community does say something about who they are, you know, right, right.

Speaker 13 And I mean, 16 years, that's, I mean, I was married for 17. Like, they're right up there.

Speaker 1 And yeah, that's not to say if you get divorced, really, you should be questioned, but it's just more to.

Speaker 13 But they are happy. And like Gretchen says that they're even in a better space than they were at the beginning.

Speaker 1 So I'm happy for them. That takes a certain level of, yeah, of character and understanding and

Speaker 1 humility.

Speaker 4 Did you feel like that was his place to share the voice memo or talking about the Tamra in the studio with the recording?

Speaker 1 I mean, yeah,

Speaker 13 I wasn't there. So that was a lot.
But again, I remember Tamara telling me that story when I started the show. I mean, it was in the press.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 The quote allegations.

Speaker 13 Yeah, there were, there were some stories in the press about it.

Speaker 13 So it's not like Slade was bringing it up for the first time. And let's just like, look, if the tables were turned, would Tamara have brought it up?

Speaker 13 She said that Jen had an affair with another person before Ryan, which is very damaging. And when she was confronted with that, Tamara said, oh, I was mad at you.

Speaker 8 She did say that. That is true.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
So, yeah.

Speaker 1 Man, you guys do a lot.

Speaker 7 I'm I'm just like, oh, yeah, that all happened.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I get mad when I hear some of these mean things that Tamara does because I want

Speaker 1 I really enjoy this aspect of the job and get to meet you. And I always get, I always get mad or sad when I have people on that I know I'm going to piss off Shannon.
Oh, no.

Speaker 1 I know it's different. I know.

Speaker 4 No, I'm good.

Speaker 1 I'm good with it.

Speaker 13 It's part of the deal. But I think when you go for that jugular,

Speaker 13 you know, you can criticize people, make light fun, but when it gets to character damaging issues, that's when it's tough. Maybe too much.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Do we have any more questions for Shannon before we send her on her way?

Speaker 8 Earlier, you were kind of saying that Tamara holds on to pieces of information to then like release it when it's an opportune moment.

Speaker 1 Correct.

Speaker 8 It kind of felt like in the beginning of this season that she told about Katie recording and Katie's drama that she kind of started the drama between all of you and Katie.

Speaker 8 So then with it coming back towards the end with her now being friends with Katie, is this because do we think we were trying to put the heat on Katie to take it off of Tamara?

Speaker 8 Or like once the women started coming against Tamara, she kind of flip-flopped?

Speaker 13 I mean, I think that a lot of the times with Tamara, there is deflection.

Speaker 13 For instance, at the lie detector test, let's just not forget that none of us had seen Tamara since she quit the first time out of the three.

Speaker 13 And she walked right back in, walked into the lie detector thing. And when Katie failed all her questions, you didn't see this scene.
Tamara was right there going, you're a liar.

Speaker 13 And I remember looking over at her thinking, wow, this is a gift for you.

Speaker 13 You don't really have to address the fact that you quit because everyone's talking about that Katie just failed the lie detector test. And in fact, Tamara said to Katie, you are dead to me.

Speaker 13 And it's interesting that they're close today.

Speaker 8 And Katie was also the one that put out the information about Gretchen or the possible Ruffie.

Speaker 8 So I'm just kind of wondering if Katie might be taking a lot of hits here where I'm like, we're trusting what Tamara says, but not what Katie says.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's, that's a very good theory, Elizabeth.

Speaker 4 Katie kind of came out and said that the

Speaker 4 man who was running the lie detector test is kind of known for doing

Speaker 4 things a little bit, and he kind of is like, oh, yeah, you pay me extra and I'll give you the results that you want. Do you believe that Emily and Gretchen would do that kind of thing to Katie?

Speaker 4 Oh, no. No,

Speaker 13 I don't think that Gretchen had had any idea that there was going to be a lie detector test at all, but Emily did. But,

Speaker 13 you know, again, there aren't that many lie detector people that are going to go on camera. So I think that was just, although I have no idea, I'm not in production, but they set it up.

Speaker 13 I have to tell you, I was scared.

Speaker 13 Oh, that's what Tamara said when she was there. Oh, Shannon.

Speaker 13 No, it's just, you know, I'm wacky a little. I have dreams sometimes, nightmares, like, you're a liar.
I'm not a liar. And they say, lock her up.
You know, it's just,

Speaker 13 it's been a nightmare in my life.

Speaker 1 so i was very worried that i didn't know what they were gonna ask but then he was funny with me okay before we let you go uh going into the reunion uh which is this coming thursday part one

Speaker 1 uh what do you want fans to just you know sometimes when we watch things on reality tv you know you don't control the edit some things we we're not fully paying attention is there anything that you would say, hey, when you watch this, I want you to consider X, Y, or Z.

Speaker 1 Don't forget blank or blank, you know, me or with the whole show.

Speaker 1 Just anything you think that we should be discerning about and just make sure we don't forget something so that if something is shown in a certain way, well, there's a couple. Okay.

Speaker 13 First of all, when it comes to me, Shannon Storms of Bador,

Speaker 13 I would say if you're watching an interview confessional and you're hearing Katie or Tamara describe what happened or what's going on in my head, Tamara hasn't known what's going on here for a few years.

Speaker 13 So not a reliable source.

Speaker 13 As far as the show goes, we've talked about the finale. You know, it is.
It's just a really dark, dark topic.

Speaker 13 So, you know, just everyone, before you react like we should have done, take a breath and just step back and say, does this all make sense? Okay. And, you know, the other thing is

Speaker 13 somebody quit three times. Are we going to talk about it?

Speaker 1 Do you want to talk about it? Do you want to talk about it?

Speaker 13 Well, no, I mean, I'm just, you know, each time it was like,

Speaker 13 you'll never see me again. Well, I'm sure I'll see you tomorrow.
And, you know, and there you'd see her at the next event. But we never got like the

Speaker 1 explanation. I told you.

Speaker 4 Did you know that Tamara was

Speaker 4 had taken a Xanax at that dinner in Louisiana?

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 13 I didn't.

Speaker 13 We didn't get more than two drinks because most, those were with me.

Speaker 1 The two.

Speaker 13 two drinks, half a Xanax thing. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Did you recognize that when she came into your room?

Speaker 13 Yes. And I said, because I said, wait, what is in your glass? And she said, water, but it was yellow.
It wasn't.

Speaker 13 I mean,

Speaker 13 I didn't think that she had taken a pill, but the girls thought she had. I just thought she was very, very drunk.

Speaker 13 So, I mean, now am I going to get in trouble? Why?

Speaker 13 It's my opinion.

Speaker 7 Oh, how are you? How are you feeling post? I mean, obviously, this was a really long time ago, shooting-wise, but post-year space cake.

Speaker 13 Well, in the finale, I don't know if you remember, but I might have dabbled in something called a medicinal mushroom.

Speaker 1 I still have.

Speaker 13 So, yeah,

Speaker 13 maybe when in Amsterdam, I'll take another space muffin fight.

Speaker 1 Shannon, it's always a pleasure. Thank you.
Thank you for coming. Thank you for having me.
Maybe we'll

Speaker 1 just make this a regular angle.

Speaker 13 Yes, the Halloween-ish time.

Speaker 1 Okay.

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Speaker 1 All right. Well, that's Shannon's fedora for you.
I love her. Iconic.
She's so funny. She's so iconic.

Speaker 4 She is so iconic.

Speaker 7 You guys should go to Shannon's Instagram and look at that promo we did with her.

Speaker 1 That's really fun.

Speaker 4 The promo is so good.

Speaker 4 Nobody was hurt in the making of that promo. Nobody was hurt.

Speaker 1 By my chin. Yeah,

Speaker 1 she did Bob Justin.

Speaker 4 She does have some concussion, but I think she's okay.

Speaker 1 I think it's safe to say clearly Team Gretchen. Yeah.
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Oh, Shannon. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Was very vocal about like reunion gives a lot of clarity.

Speaker 1 Uh-huh. Which interesting.
And I think it's a very touchy subject for all these women because of obviously the context. And

Speaker 1 this is not anything I'm hearing from Shannon. This was just my interpretation.
But I think obviously very, Shannon wants to be very sensitive to the conversation in the queer community.

Speaker 1 And I think she was nervous about how does she, before the reunion, say anything that sounds like she is defending Gretchen

Speaker 1 out of fear that people would find those that to be insensitive.

Speaker 1 But I think the big thing is let's just wait and see because a lot is supposed to be revealed

Speaker 1 at the reunion. All right, it's time to get to some Love is Blind.
We have Allie and Anton up next. But before we do, I think we have a Love is Blind rapid recap.

Speaker 4 If you missed

Speaker 4 the reunion of

Speaker 4 the Real Housewives of Love is Blind, here's your rapid recap. I don't know.
Miles Smith sings as the cast from season nine walks down the steps.

Speaker 4 Jordan is in a tux, and Anton looks like he accidentally wandered in on his way to the dentist. It's official, we were wrong, and the U.S.
son was right.

Speaker 4 Megan is a mom to a two-and-a-half-month-old baby boy named Brooks. The other girls say that's why she was looking thick, which is one way to congratulate someone on new motherhood, I guess.

Speaker 4 Apparently, Megan and Mike went on a few dates after the pods, but it didn't work out. And Jordan finally clarifies the difference between type one and type two diabetes.
Thank God.

Speaker 4 Casey swears that all she wanted to do was protect Patrick, but she also won't give him the ring back.

Speaker 4 Patrick gives Casey the floor to apologize, and after some buffering, she finally does and gives Patrick the ring back, but not for long because they play a game of basketball where she wins it back.

Speaker 4 Casey may not have found love in the pods, but she is now qualified as a walk-on for the WNBA. There it is, Mayor.

Speaker 4 And maybe Casey is keeping the ring for Joe, because turns out they dated after the show. Or if you ask Madison during the show, question mark: Eskimo sisters.

Speaker 4 Kate very briefly dated Brendan after the pods, but then Casey and Brendan were all over each other at a party.

Speaker 4 Casey, girl, we finally get to the bottom of why Allie and Anton flopped, pun intended, and KB and Edmund clear the air. It's Jordan's birthday, and he and his present is Blake and protein ice cream.

Speaker 4 And that's a wrap on season nine.

Speaker 1 Good job, Leo. I found myself,

Speaker 1 I feel like Joe was kind of a villain throughout the season, as was Casey.

Speaker 1 And I found myself, I felt like Madison and Patrick really didn't land their plane, so to speak. I felt like they both came out ready to dominate and really wanted to get the sympathy of the audience.

Speaker 1 And it really felt flat for me on both fronts. That's really weird.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I think it's like with Joe.

Speaker 7 Like, I don't even know like Joe definitely came off as the villain just because it was like, you shouldn't have been engaged to her.

Speaker 7 you obviously weren't that into her and I feel he panicked and I feel really bad for Madison and that like Madison got fucked over but I don't think Joe is like an evil despicable human being and then with like Casey and Patrick I'm just like there's too much going on again you guys should have just never got it

Speaker 1 really clearly wanted to the truth is Joe got asked a question about their physical appearance and he gave an answer whether he should have or not he did and I don't think it's a crime to have a preference it's insensitive it was but like I just think it's a little heavy for Madison to really just like blame him for all her like mental health problems because of that comment.

Speaker 4 I think it was absolutely insane that we spent so much time on Casey and Patrick, and they weren't even a couple on the show.

Speaker 4 Like, that was way too much time over two people I, at the end of the day, don't really care about and about a ring that I also don't care about that truly does belong to production at this point.

Speaker 4 The fact that like Vanessa made them stand up and give that ring back to each other was the the craziest waste of five minutes of my time. Chris Paul, does he not have anything else to do?

Speaker 4 Why is he there? He didn't have a game or practice or anything he did.

Speaker 1 He listened to going to illegal poker games. That's true.
He's getting out of trouble.

Speaker 7 Yeah. I don't understand why the Love is Blind reunion is going to have a musical guest and a basketball performer.
It just basketball performer.

Speaker 4 Why was it outside?

Speaker 3 Everyone's hair was glowing.

Speaker 1 People like that, though.

Speaker 9 I saw when they released the trailer, everybody was like, oh, finally we have have like a actual reunion.

Speaker 1 But then it was like a. What did it make it actual? Yeah, a studio.

Speaker 9 That's what I thought. Because then I was like, so they're in like the Enchanted Forest.
I was like, that's cute.

Speaker 1 I mean, it mixed it up. I didn't really have a problem with it.

Speaker 9 They are getting blasted by wind, though.

Speaker 4 I did notice that. I mean, like, Megan's trying to talk about having her baby and she can't get the hair out of her face.

Speaker 7 It's like, we could have. She looks like Meredith Marks on that beach.

Speaker 4 And all of those lanterns were swaying. It kept me.

Speaker 8 I was, I was going to say, the creative directors of the Love is Blind reunion. We're also on the Amsterdam trip taking the shrooms.
shrooms and we're like you know what let's teach the musical guests

Speaker 4 also speaking of musical guests if we're gonna have a musical guest and you're gonna pan to the audience during musical guests teach everyone the words I mean, it's like give them a script, give them the lyrics, let people learn the song before he comes out, but you're panning to people who are like saying the wrong words and it just doesn't, it's not or fake it like America's Got Talent where you like patch in someone else that's like swaying or like fake it so it looks like a reaction.

Speaker 7 Yeah, they would not, they would not sush, they would sashet away if they were lip-syncing for their life is what would happen. Also, Miles Smith, weirdly, was at the,

Speaker 7 he, if you guys watched the Steelers game in Ireland, he was the musical performer there.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 8 I mean, he's phenomenal, but it was just kind of like, what a waste of his talent.

Speaker 1 I know. Dr.
Patrick in the ring. When he's like, it's not about the money.

Speaker 1 What money? You didn't. But like, what's it about then? It's a year and a half later.

Speaker 8 He kept saying principal. Principal, though.

Speaker 1 He lost me on that. Principal.
He should have just been like, no, honestly, I don't need it. Yeah.
I just like.

Speaker 4 And he should have been like, him being like, I'm doing this for you. I'm giving you a moment to apologize for your, so that people can stop hating on you.

Speaker 3 I'm giving you this moment.

Speaker 1 That was a crazy. He really lost me.
He was putting the words in her mouth.

Speaker 8 I just need you to say, I'm sorry, Patrick, that I, and she was like, don't tell me how to apologize. And it's true.
Like, it was just like, this is really, you go giving her your moment, huh?

Speaker 9 There was a TikTok. It was Anton and Joe joking about drinking.
Did you guys see this? And then it was Patrick also in the TikTok. And I was like, why? Okay.

Speaker 9 I was like, you're kind of losing the narrative for me here.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Also, I mean, it felt like all of the women were going after Casey.
You know, I think Madison and Kate. Also, Kate, why was she a mainstay the whole time?

Speaker 9 Kate's with all the friends, every photo op, every event. I think she was part of the group.

Speaker 3 She's part of the group.

Speaker 7 I'm not a huge Casey fan, but I do. Like, she was messy as fuck in those pods, which is fine.
And afterwards, obviously. But yeah, I'm just like, Madison.

Speaker 7 And I really like Madison, but I'm just like, girl, you and Joe obviously were not going to work out. Like, he, you chose a guy that was obviously a little bit of a slut and like it didn't work out.

Speaker 8 And it's,

Speaker 4 it seemed that Madison was still hurt

Speaker 4 breakup. And that came across like very obvious to me.
It wasn't like, oh, I've grown. I'm a bigger person.
I don't give a fuck. You weren't for me.
Like, that was not the energy she was giving.

Speaker 4 The energy was very much like, I'm still grieving this marriage.

Speaker 1 Which is crazy.

Speaker 3 Which is crazy.

Speaker 1 I didn't think she still was. I felt like she was performing her grief.

Speaker 9 Well, don't you have to lean in anyways? Like, this is

Speaker 1 trying to make a reunion.

Speaker 1 They're trying to make a reunion.

Speaker 1 Oscar.

Speaker 8 Perfect match.

Speaker 4 Yeah. I felt like Anton

Speaker 4 was giving a little bit.

Speaker 1 You're underdressed. Definitely underdressed.

Speaker 7 The way he was all. He was also just like.

Speaker 4 Yeah, he felt so chill. It felt like he, and I mean, I guess, yeah, his girlfriend was there.
So maybe he, like, wasn't, you know, trying to like.

Speaker 1 Totally, a year and a half later. It's like, why do I even care?

Speaker 4 Like, he moved on with his life you know which i think is the right take to have after a year yeah like yeah but if everyone is chilling moved on with their lives i'm like what are they gonna talk about i'll just never be on i will never be like oh makes sense for someone to be like yeah i work a night shift i come home i eat breakfast i watch a little tv and i maybe open a beer i those that strain of events i will never be on board with It's like I worked, I worked the night shift before.

Speaker 1 You go to bed.

Speaker 4 You just go straight to bed and then you wake up at 3 p.m. And then you go about your day.
You don't watch TV after and drink a beer after your night shift.

Speaker 1 That's not the TV part. It's the beer part.

Speaker 3 It was all the chain of events.

Speaker 4 I get home, I make breakfast, I watch TV and I open a beer.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's a whole event.

Speaker 3 It's a whole, that's your whole day. Go to sleep.

Speaker 1 You've been working all night.

Speaker 7 Isn't he Russian though?

Speaker 1 Yes, yes.

Speaker 13 So they drink.

Speaker 1 They drink.

Speaker 8 They be drinking.

Speaker 4 It was weird that she never brought up the conversation with the girlfriend in the bathroom, Allie.

Speaker 8 I think she knew she was done. And even for him to, for her to say that the biggest ick for her

Speaker 8 was hip up.

Speaker 1 That's true. We can definitely ask her.
Oh, she's here.

Speaker 4 Well, great.

Speaker 3 Let's actually, you know what?

Speaker 4 Let's just ask Allie why she never had that conversation. Conversation.
And also, like, I understand the flip-flop thing.

Speaker 8 The biggest ick being flip-flops.

Speaker 1 I feel it too.

Speaker 4 I don't understand what was wrong with his wall.

Speaker 1 Do you have a weird wall? Anton? When he came out?

Speaker 1 She said flip-flops and Baja, but.

Speaker 4 No, she was, she was, Nick was like, maybe someone else will appreciate his walk.

Speaker 4 It was weird.

Speaker 3 I was like, how is he, does he walk?

Speaker 4 Does he walk with a leg?

Speaker 1 Or something else happening?

Speaker 1 How does he just throw a jab? He doesn't glide.

Speaker 4 I like was not, I don't remember being like phased by his walk at all.

Speaker 1 Well, we do. It sounds like we have a lot of questions for Allie, and I think she is ready.
She's here. She's ready to join.
And let's bring her on. Hello.
Hello.

Speaker 1 Hi.

Speaker 10 How are you guys?

Speaker 1 So good. So good.
How are you?

Speaker 10 Good. I was in the wrong link, apparently.
So sorry about that.

Speaker 1 It's not your fault. You're here now.
That's what's important. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, let's get right into it.

Speaker 10 we just watched the reunion how did you feel about the reunion what did you feel going into it and leaving yeah yeah oh my gosh going into it i was honestly so excited because i didn't really feel like the cut throughout the show was very reflective of like me as a person.

Speaker 10 And so going into the reunion, I was like, yes, this is my chance. I get to really put everything out there.

Speaker 10 And then unfortunately, we were the last ones to actually talk during the the filming. And so timing was very limited.
A lot of it was like cut short.

Speaker 10 And then for the final cut, even things that I said didn't even make it. And so I was like, what the heck? Like, when do I get to share my side of things?

Speaker 1 Well, Ali, right now.

Speaker 4 We don't edit here. So you got as long as you want.

Speaker 1 Well, with that said, like, what are the things that you said at the reunion or wanted to say that didn't make air that you're hoping that people get a chance to hear from you.

Speaker 10 Oh my gosh, there's so much. Let me pull out my list.

Speaker 10 Oh, hell yeah. Yeah, no, it's tough to know where to start because, honestly, like,

Speaker 10 there was just so much, right? Like, starting with the pods, none of our story was really aired.

Speaker 10 You didn't get to hear any of like our serious conversations, our talk about like what we wanted our family unit to look like, what our roles would be, children, finances, like everything.

Speaker 10 Everything was discussed in the pods. And you got like, oh, Ali fell in love in two minutes.

Speaker 10 And so that just wasn't really like a good representation. And then obviously going into Baja, there were so many scenes in there where like, I thought they were so cute.

Speaker 10 We had such a romantic dinner like beachside.

Speaker 10 None of that got aired. We like were feeding each other strawberries.

Speaker 10 So just like lots of cute little moments between us that like didn't make it and didn't really show like our story as a couple.

Speaker 10 And then obviously a lot more going into like reality too.

Speaker 4 Do you feel like had they had shown maybe more of your conversations about lifestyle and family values and like what you want your future to look like, it would have made a little bit more sense as to like why we saw some of the disagreements and conversations that we did see later on?

Speaker 10 Yeah, I mean, absolutely. Anton and I very much agreed on him being the provider.

Speaker 10 I think something that adds a lot of context, honestly, is just the fact that,

Speaker 10 you know, we did have those conversations. And then also my work week was a three-day, 12-hour days kind of situation as a nurse at that point.

Speaker 10 And so, you know, the whole not cooking, not cleaning, that whole situation was like, yeah, during my three days where I'm exhausted and trying to just like make it through my shifts

Speaker 10 doesn't mean I don't pick up after myself in general or like don't clean ever like I or cook. I cook very healthy healthy meals and like I like to keep things simple but you know I do cook at home

Speaker 4 and so that would have added a whole lot of context but yeah I guess getting into because I think one of the like only conversations we saw between you and Anton at reunion was the like why didn't you discuss the conversation you had with his friend's girlfriend in the bathroom like why did you never have that conversation with Anton I think your answer at reunion was that you just like had kind of a lot going on you don't really remember exactly why you didn't bring it up.

Speaker 4 And to Anton's response, he was like, We sat at the bar and like had a drink and you kind of like refused to talk about it. Do you remember that specifically at all?

Speaker 10 I do remember us sitting at the bar. I think it was a situation where it was, I don't want to talk about it at all.
It was definitely like, we're out with your friends. Let's just enjoy their company.

Speaker 10 Let's get to know each other better and get to know your friends and, you know, just have fun is what the theme of that day after filming ended was.

Speaker 10 And then I do think because of you know so many things going on, it just

Speaker 10 I just didn't bring it up. And like now looking back, I'm like, how did I not talk about it?

Speaker 10 But I do know that like myself, I am avoidant.

Speaker 10 And so being avoidant doesn't really help the situation where a lot of times it takes me more time to process things to be able to be ready to talk about it.

Speaker 10 And so that was really the situation at dinner. And then I'm sure something like that after as well.

Speaker 1 Can we talk about it now?

Speaker 10 Yeah, we can talk about it.

Speaker 1 What did you guys talk about in the bathroom?

Speaker 10 I think you pretty much heard the whole bathroom conversation. You know, in the pods, Anton and I talked about how both of us grew up pretty religious.

Speaker 10 We kind of stepped away from religion for a little while. And then, in you know, the last like the recent year had come back to it.

Speaker 10 So, that was actually something that we really connected on: growing our religion together and wanting to do that. Um, and so, obviously, somebody's past, like, we all have a past, right?

Speaker 10 My concern was with it being like a recent thing and us having shared our religion, how that wasn't really something that like, you know, he talked about. And I had to hear that from somebody else.

Speaker 10 And then, you know, the drinking conversation came up later too. And that was the general theme of our conversations was like not really talking about it fully, but more so like.

Speaker 10 defensiveness when anything did get brought up. So it was hard.

Speaker 1 Was that friend conversation that the first moment where you thought, hmm, Anton might not be as upfront about how much he drinks or there's a disconnect with what my perception of his drinking is versus the reality of it?

Speaker 1 Or was there, was there a different time where you kind of had a, oh no, moment?

Speaker 10 I think the first time that I started realizing that maybe I don't know the extent of Anton was actually in Baja.

Speaker 10 And I did talk about this at the reunion, not the specific thing on its own, but he had a vape the whole time in the pods. And I was like, how did you get a vape?

Speaker 10 Like, we weren't meant to have anything on us. And I don't remember if we discussed like vaping or smoking specifically because we had, you know, so many hours of conversation.

Speaker 10 But at this romantic dinner that I mentioned,

Speaker 10 we were, you know, in front of like these beautiful rocks and like the sun was setting. It was such a great dinner.
And here he is just like ripping his vape the whole time.

Speaker 10 And production was like, Anton, put your vape away, like, or we're going to take it.

Speaker 10 And so I kind of started to get a little bit of like

Speaker 10 distaste in that sense, where I was like, what else is there that I may not know that is like a daily habit for you?

Speaker 1 Was it a tiny little vape or is it one of those big smoky things?

Speaker 10 No, it was like the full machine.

Speaker 1 That's crazy. Oh, Nani's going to be 25.
2024? The full machine. Is he going like to a hookah bar?

Speaker 10 That's great.

Speaker 4 I like going to hookah bars.

Speaker 10 I think he did share that with me, which like I enjoy a hookah bar every once in a a while. I don't think there's anything wrong with them.

Speaker 10 But I did not realize the extent of the vape use until like that dinner. I was like, oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 A lot of people watching the show picked up on when, I mean, when you guys had the reveal and you meet each other for the first time in person, I'm sure that's just a whirlwind.

Speaker 1 You kind of probably black out, but maybe you did notice, but we all noticed that instead of looking back at you,

Speaker 1 he poured himself another glass of champagne. Is

Speaker 1 when did you first realize that? Was that washing it back or in real time?

Speaker 10 I didn't really think of it much in real time, but I you do see a hint of like, I'm like, hello? Like, I was literally standing there waiting for him to turn around, uh, and he didn't.

Speaker 10 And I knew he liked his champagne. I'm like, that's fine to me in that moment.
It wasn't an issue, like, because, like you said, it is a whirlwind. Like, there's so much going on.

Speaker 10 As much as we have been around cameras prior, that reveal is really like an intense camera situation.

Speaker 10 There's cameras freaking flying, there's a whole lot more stuff or like production in the background than we ever had before. So it is like, oh my gosh.

Speaker 10 But one of the other things, too, is like he did propose. People think he didn't propose, but he did get down and like give me the ring.

Speaker 4 Okay. And that was the ring that he bought or Netflix gave to him because I know y'all had a little conversation about that once you got to Vaja as well.

Speaker 1 And he made it seem like he bought it.

Speaker 10 Yeah, that Vaja conversation,

Speaker 10 or I guess to address address the ring first, that was a Netflix ring. He did not add any of his own money.
I don't believe any of the men added their own money to the ring.

Speaker 1 Because they have the option, right?

Speaker 10 They do have the option. I don't know that anybody goes in like expecting, you know, to add more.
I definitely wouldn't have expected him to add more to the ring at that point.

Speaker 10 And context, like on that ring conversation room, like five, like it should have been at least 10.

Speaker 10 Obviously, this was a free ring, right? So like we did have a conversation prior to that little Baja convo where it was like, let's update your ring in the future. Let's get you something nicer.

Speaker 10 I want you to love your ring. And I'm like, absolutely.
I want to love my ring too.

Speaker 10 And so, as far as like the ring conversation goes, the private chef conversation goes, the Botox conversation, like all of those were so lighthearted.

Speaker 10 And I think that's really something that people are missing.

Speaker 10 Is that like none of these were really serious things.

Speaker 10 It was just honestly on my end, trying to make him comfortable and trying to keep things fun and light because he had a hard time just being himself around me um and that's where a lot of these silly goofy little combos including like the makeup when we were sitting in those chairs asking to put makeup on him um that was just me like hey like we're here like we're together just talk to me like we're just having fun it's not that serious um because a lot of times i felt like it was almost impossible to really like get a conversation out of him in person.

Speaker 4 I was just going to ask, like, when did you realize, was it in real time as we were watching you, realize he was drinking a lot of the alcohol that you had at home?

Speaker 4 Or did you come across that like earlier?

Speaker 10 There was just like little blips of conversations about it prior. But in that moment where we are filming and I'm like, where did it actually go is where I was like, this needs to be discussed.
A lot.

Speaker 10 of our conversations that were more, I guess, emotional were off camera and we chose to keep it a little bit more private.

Speaker 10 And that is a regret that I have because it would have added so much more context to our story if those would have been on camera.

Speaker 4 What were some of those conversations?

Speaker 10 Just normal things, like finances, and moving to Florida together, and kids, and everything, as far as like expectations, or how we act together as a couple, like in a group setting, everything

Speaker 10 along those lines as well.

Speaker 1 Some of his family members had some very harsh things to say about you following the wedding that didn't happen.

Speaker 1 Has he addressed that at all, apologized, or offered any context as to why that was said? No.

Speaker 10 So this is, I guess, this is another thing that is really highly upsetting. The comment from whoever that female was, I have no idea.

Speaker 10 I never met her as somebody that was like part of his life, so I don't know.

Speaker 10 her to that extent. So that itself doesn't really have a lot of weight to me.

Speaker 10 what i was hurt by as far as like the altar is we didn't have a conversation after and so after i said no

Speaker 10 um and like explain myself anton said that's fair and that didn't make the cut and i feel like that would have added a lot of like understanding because he did agree with me when I expressed like expressed my side of things to him.

Speaker 10 So saying like, that's fair would have been made like the world of a difference to the context of like our relationship and his understanding and his role i know that obviously as they're filming this show

Speaker 1 um there's definitely like a mantra of like just kind of stay open be open you know get to the end so to speak that being said you know as from the human side or the reality side you start getting a feeling of which direction you're going to go one way or the other do you remember the specific moment And I'm sure you stayed open to maybe things changing, but when was that moment where you were like, I don't think I can, I'm don't think I'm gonna be able to marry this guy yeah

Speaker 10 not not the actual flip-flop moment in Baja not that that was something that was cut out of the reunion where I was like lightheartedly the flip-flops and like we're on such good terms it was such a lighthearted joke

Speaker 10 And then I went into like the real reasons that I ended up deciding to say no.

Speaker 10 We did have a conversation.

Speaker 10 I would say probably like three, four days prior to the wedding where I was like, hey, just so you're aware, like I don't know if I see myself being able to get there with you.

Speaker 10 And that's when I really just laid things out so openly to him. And I was like, You haven't been yourself.
I feel like I can't talk to you. You don't greet me when you come home.

Speaker 10 Um, you know, like, just so many things.

Speaker 10 And I discussed like how he eats junk food all the time, or at least the time, did,

Speaker 10 um, wasn't super like healthy and active.

Speaker 1 And drinking beers after coming home from work and like ruining your sleep, like every night, essentially, um it was very much minimized the amount of drinking it wasn't one or two beers and it wasn't one or two nights a week um it was more than that and that's why it was a concern yeah and it's interesting because like obviously people have different perspective of how much a lot or a little is but to your point he was clearly defensive like if it's if it's not an issue if it's normal to him then be like yeah i drank half the tequila you know

Speaker 1 like yeah well i was sad yeah no, I drank all 12 beers and the tequila. And I had my friend.
What's the big deal? Right. Yeah.

Speaker 10 Like, we got that tequila at the airport on the way back from Baja.

Speaker 10 And that gathering wasn't that far into like our reality. So that tequila bottle was meant for us.
And I'm like, I didn't get any tequila. Like, I want some tequila.

Speaker 10 And like, like I said to my mom, even like on the day of the wedding, I was like, I drink.

Speaker 10 I think drinking is fine. I think drinking is great in social situations.
It makes me more comfortable. Like, I love to have a drink or like a glass of wine and go to sleep.

Speaker 10 Um, like, every once in a while, it's not like a daily thing, and I think it should be mostly limited to like social settings. Um, but that's that's really where the concern came from.

Speaker 4 At the reunion, when the strip club conversation was brought up, Anton's response was, Have I been to a strip club before? Yes, I think most men have, and there's nothing wrong with that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I guess. Yeah,

Speaker 4 so a little, I was like, Speak for yourself.

Speaker 1 Like, I definitely got dragged there for a bachelor party ones and felt weird.

Speaker 10 Yeah. I also, I got dragged there on the illusion that Jack Harlow was there one night.

Speaker 10 Jack Harlow was not there.

Speaker 1 Sadly.

Speaker 10 But I just had such like a weird, like heavy feeling around me when I was there. I hated the experience.
We'll literally never step foot in one ever again.

Speaker 10 And yeah, like speak for yourself. I don't think most men have.
I know, especially like most religious men did, like, don't go or have never been.

Speaker 10 And that's something that like I very, I made very clear. Like, that's an expectation from a partner.
Like, and if that's not you, great. It's not you.

Speaker 10 But that's my thoughts on it.

Speaker 1 I think there's a huge difference from I've been to a strip club as a guy or I go to a strip club every once in a while.

Speaker 4 And like, I think there's nothing wrong with that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, to defend the semi-regular appearances is like,

Speaker 4 I mean, I guess, again to each their own i do not want to um you know yuck someone's yum switching gears off of you for a little bit did it feel as much of a pile on on casey as it was watching it yes

Speaker 10 the booing was intense for casey and that's why i mean i'm not close to casey by any means we've hung out a few times here and there um but i felt that i needed to step in and defend her a little bit because of how uncomfortable it was um i truly did feel for her i think there were some inaccuracies that were shared by some of the the other cast members.

Speaker 10 But that's not mine to talk about.

Speaker 1 So, what did you learn about yourself through this process?

Speaker 10 What have I learned? Oh my gosh.

Speaker 10 I think, honestly, just learning that, like, what I want as for a partner isn't what everybody else is going to agree with, and that's okay.

Speaker 10 But just being comfortable in what my standards are and like sticking by them, honestly.

Speaker 1 Love is definitely not blind for me.

Speaker 1 Have you realized that it's not blind for you?

Speaker 10 No, I do think love is blind. Like, I not even BSing at all.
Like, my reveal, that was the moment that I was truly like, holy shit, like, this actually could be my husband. Um, and I was so excited.

Speaker 10 We get like a day in between the reveal and then going to Baja. And I was like, let me go buy all this stuff to like look good for him.
Let me like go

Speaker 10 restock, I guess, like all my beauty products. Um, and so I was so excited.

Speaker 10 And then it was just very quickly, like, one thing after another kind of added to me, like becoming less and less in love with him.

Speaker 1 It is totally okay, I think, to immediately break up with any guy wearing flip-flops. Just

Speaker 1 so yeah, I think

Speaker 10 there's so much heat for that, especially because they're like Brazilian men wear flip-flops all the time.

Speaker 1 I don't care.

Speaker 10 That's great. I'm not looking in a Brazilian men, I guess.

Speaker 1 Visors, vests, and flip-flops. In short.

Speaker 1 Shorts, I wouldn't.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I think shorts are okay. Flip-flops and visors, I would agree on for sure.

Speaker 1 Staying in the kind of nitpicky, being a little silly petty department,

Speaker 1 were you a little alarmed or frustrated that he was wearing his glasses on top of his head during the reveal and squinting?

Speaker 1 Because I felt like the glasses really made him, like, really framed out his face and was like a really great look at him. And I don't know why he was

Speaker 1 like glasses on top of a man's head is just such a weird.

Speaker 4 They don't belong there. It's like an egg.
They don't.

Speaker 1 It's an egg.

Speaker 10 Yeah, honestly, I didn't even notice him. I can't say that I thought about it.

Speaker 10 I saw his hair was huge. His hair was like two meters above his head, but I was like, hey, he has a great head of hair.
I love that figure.

Speaker 1 He does have a great head of hair. He does have a great head of hair.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Have you started filming Perfect Match yet?

Speaker 4 Or Too Hot to Handle? Or Too Hot to Handle. Or Let's Marry Harry.
I feel like you are his type to a T.

Speaker 1 Oh, my gosh.

Speaker 10 No comment on any of that.

Speaker 10 I'm sure there are some exciting things coming.

Speaker 1 Love. Oh, love.
Love. For sure.
There's exciting things. We are sure that there are excited things.

Speaker 4 We do have a fan edit that Justin, part of our team, Sweet Boy Justin, he made for you because I felt like I felt moved by you at the altar at 1 a.m.

Speaker 1 in the morning.

Speaker 4 So we want to show it to you.

Speaker 10 Okay, I love that. Thank you.

Speaker 1 That's it.

Speaker 10 That's such a cute song.

Speaker 10 Like, such a sad edit.

Speaker 1 You have a fan in Justin.

Speaker 9 I am your fan.

Speaker 1 I love you. Justin, I'm your fan, too.

Speaker 1 Any more questions for Allie before we let her go? Oh, I do. I'm sorry.
I have one.

Speaker 1 Speaking of like exciting things happening for you, you were, I don't know if this is part of why, but you were kind of like oddly cryptic about your relationship status on the reunion and was wondering if there's a reason why.

Speaker 1 Is it because you may or may not be ending up on TV again or are you protect, you know, because it makes it sound like you are in a relationship.

Speaker 4 And like he doesn't want to be public. Yeah.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 10 Um,

Speaker 10 let me be careful how I talk around this, but people gave me a lot of backlash because they were like, you went on a freaking dating show and now you want your dating life to be private.

Speaker 10 And yes, like I do. I chose to share that part of my life openly on TV.
And that was a year and a half ago. So obviously a lot of time for things to develop since then.
But

Speaker 10 yeah, I think it's really just kind of trying to guard my privacy as much as I can for the time being.

Speaker 10 And then, you know, if there is something to announce in the future, I'll announce it when me and a potential partner are ready.

Speaker 1 Okay. Okay.

Speaker 1 Mary has one more question for you. I do.

Speaker 7 I'm just like really enamored by the way you pretty cry. And I was just wondering if you had any advice to the girlies on how to pretty cry like that.

Speaker 10 Botox.

Speaker 1 Thank you very much, Diva.

Speaker 1 Allie, I appreciate your time. If you're ever in LA, stop in the studio so you can take one of our Polaroids that we have all our guests do and make some content.
But other than that, good luck.

Speaker 1 Maybe we'll see you back on the Netflix screen sooner than later. Otherwise, enjoy the rest of your time.
Stay offline. Don't read the comments.

Speaker 1 Thank you guys so much. Thanks for joining.

Speaker 4 Thank you, Ali.

Speaker 1 Bye. Bye-bye.

Speaker 4 I'm a fan. I think she's sweet.

Speaker 1 I think she's just cute. I want to see her on my TV again.
She definitely, you know, listen, she got the vapid, superficial edit.

Speaker 1 Yeah, she got the shortened stick.

Speaker 4 She got the like, we don't have enough time to portray this entire story. So like here's snippets.

Speaker 1 And when you're willing to tell like snarky jokes about Botox and kind of being superficial,

Speaker 1 they're always going to use that against you. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Justice for my girl, truly. Yeah.
All right. Well, we have Anton up next.
I am curious about

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Speaker 4 Did he not want to see her?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Until he was there.
Because those glasses look great on him.

Speaker 4 Is he nearsighted or far-sighted?

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Speaker 1 anton welcome to the show hey thanks for having me uh first question did you get contacts i did you did

Speaker 1 was that what prompted you to to do that after all these years?

Speaker 5 Well, I had contacts before, right? And I would kind of go back and forth between the glasses and the contacts. But I think after the show,

Speaker 5 I really just lean into the contacts full-time.

Speaker 1 For what it counts,

Speaker 1 if it matters, I thought that you looked great on the glasses. Oh, thanks.

Speaker 5 Whenever I did have them on, I mean, it's like I had them on my head most of the time, I feel.

Speaker 1 Well, yeah, we did notice that, and we thought it was a little weird. Were you like insecure about the the glasses or like why why do that?

Speaker 5 Yeah, it was it's so just watching the show back. Um,

Speaker 5 I kind of realized that, yeah, I mean, I was insecure about it a lot of the time and

Speaker 5 it's been an insecurity of mine and

Speaker 5 I just kind of had him up on my head a lot of the times because I I wouldn't I don't need him to see up close, but I need him to see kind of like further away.

Speaker 1 Gotcha. Well, I thought you look I thought the glasses look great.

Speaker 4 Well, that's so interesting that you need them to see further away and at your reveal, you didn't have them on, but you were like squinting to see Allie. Why didn't you just wear the glasses?

Speaker 1 I know.

Speaker 5 I know. I looked at that and I'm like, fuck, I look like an idiot.

Speaker 1 You know, Lucy can laugh at me.

Speaker 5 Didn't do myself any favors with that, yeah, but you know what? Whatever.

Speaker 1 Well, we appreciate you joining us. We know, obviously, this show was filmed a long time ago, so it's, I want to acknowledge that.
Because, you know,

Speaker 1 are you still in a relationship with your lovely girlfriend that we got to see at the the reunion yeah okay um she's yeah she's great uh we've been together for a year now

Speaker 1 um congrats yeah she's everything i was looking for well uh i appreciate you still joining us because i know sometimes it could be a little weird being in a relationship and still being asked questions about an old relationship but either way here we are no she's she's been great about it she's she's been really supportive and understanding and like um just kind of kind of helping me kind of deal with all those too so out of curiosity how do you how did you broach that subject with her when you first met her?

Speaker 1 Ending filming, knowing that the show is still going to come out a long time from now, like, you know, a year plus. How did you broach that?

Speaker 4 Also, being like, we can't post photos together.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I know.

Speaker 5 I know. Yeah.
It's, um, so I mean, I kind of led with it. I wasn't, uh, I wasn't trying to be secretive or anything about it.
I told her, hey, like, this is a thing.

Speaker 5 It's going to come out in like a little over a year. And, um, you know, I just wanted her to know that that's going to come out at some point.
And I didn't want her to be blindsided by it. So

Speaker 5 I was like, hey, you know, I understand if you would like your privacy and wouldn't want to have anything to do with me because of that.

Speaker 5 Totally understandable, but this is something that's going to come out at some point. So,

Speaker 5 and she was like, okay, well, I mean, I, you know, she, she was open to it.

Speaker 5 And she was like, okay, like, I don't, I don't know how I'm going to go about it, but I'll, I like you and I want to be there with you. And, you know, she was, she was supportive of it.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 First question. How many times do you go to the strip club and what is normal?

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 so

Speaker 5 how, so how many times do I go to the strip club now or how many times did I go to the strip club when I was single?

Speaker 1 Oh, I guess.

Speaker 5 So when I was single, I would just go with,

Speaker 5 like for my friends' birthdays or for like bachelor parties or whatever, you know, things like that. I would go maybe two or three times a year.

Speaker 5 Whereas now, I mean, I think when you're in a relationship, I think you have to, you have to be

Speaker 5 just kind of like cognizant of your partner. And

Speaker 5 if that bothers them, then you know, you should probably not go.

Speaker 1 So thanks for clarifying.

Speaker 5 I think I've only been once in the last, since the show came out, I think I've only been once. Okay.
And that was for a friend's bachelor party.

Speaker 1 Okay. Yeah.
Thanks for clarifying. It almost came across as if it was like every other Friday.
You know, for the month. buffet.

Speaker 4 You're getting the T-Bones day.

Speaker 5 I would be broke if that was the case.

Speaker 1 That is true.

Speaker 1 A big part of the storyline or your storyline centered around your drinking and what, you know, the disconnect of you and Allie and what you thought was normal and what she felt was normal.

Speaker 1 We did have a chance to talk with Allie.

Speaker 1 And we kind of agreed that like, regardless of what's normal or not normal, what felt a little funny on your part, and maybe you could add context context that we didn't get to see, is that you came across as kind of defensive when the topics came out, like specifically the tehila bottle and things like that.

Speaker 1 So now that we have you and we know things are edited or things can be taken out of context, I just want to hear like your point of view about that entire like storyline and how did you feel about watching it back?

Speaker 5 Yeah,

Speaker 5 I mean watching it back, I definitely felt like

Speaker 5 from the edits, it seemed like it seems it seemed as though I was drinking almost in every scene, which,

Speaker 5 I mean, I wasn't because there was a couple of scenes that got cut out that I wasn't drinking in and nobody was really drinking in. And so

Speaker 5 looking back at it, yeah, I mean, I put out a video on my Instagram about this. I kind of addressed it a little bit.
And I was drinking more than I normally do.

Speaker 5 And I think it was due to just me being like really nervous and being anxious and, you know, using that as a coping mechanism, which I think I think a lot of people do on reality TV.

Speaker 5 Not to say that it's good or it's normal or healthy, it's not.

Speaker 5 But looking back at it, I think that's that's what it was. And to put some context on the tequila bottle going missing, looking back at that, I mean, this was almost two years ago, right?

Speaker 5 So I think in that moment right there, we had just gotten back from filming at the rodeo. And so we were both drinking at the rodeo.
We both had some drinks and I genuinely, I,

Speaker 5 I, I kind of had an idea.

Speaker 5 I was like, I don't think the bottle is going to be in that fridge, but I was like, let me check, you know, but it just, it seemed as though like she wouldn't really be concerned.

Speaker 5 She wasn't really ever concerned about me drinking unless we were filming. And it was like one of those moments where it's like, ha, I gotcha, you know, that kind of thing.

Speaker 5 And so In that moment right there, I didn't really think the bottle was going to be in there, but I was like, let me check. I don't really remember if I finished it or not or if we finished it.

Speaker 5 Cause, I mean, you got to think, right? Like, she was drinking as well. And it's like, in every scene that I'm drinking, she's also drinking too.
So

Speaker 5 it wasn't like she doesn't drink. She, she does drink too.
And so, like I said, I wasn't, I never really got, I was never trashed. I was never drunk.

Speaker 5 I was, I was kind of drinking more than I normally do, but it's, it's, uh, it, it's probably not good, you know, probably not a good thing that, um, you know, that bottle wasn't in there in that fridge.

Speaker 4 Allie mentioned at reunion and also when we spoke with her that you would kind of come home and like not greet her. You wouldn't say hello.
Do you remember that? And like, do you know why?

Speaker 4 Or is that not how you remember it?

Speaker 5 It's not how I remember it at all, right? So when we were back in Denver filming, it was we would film

Speaker 5 about three,

Speaker 5 maybe four days out of the week. And then the other days we weren't filming.

Speaker 5 So on the days that we were filming, I I would come home. So I was working, I was still working full-time and I worked nights, 12-hour shifts.

Speaker 5 So I would come home after a 12-hour shift and it was, it was like, I would greet her, but I wouldn't have like usually any kind of like intense conversations or deep, meaningful conversations.

Speaker 5 It's just kind of like, hey, I'm getting home. I want to relax a little bit, eat and go to bed, that kind of thing.

Speaker 5 And she worked nights too, but it was, I mean, she would have different days off than I would. So it kind of overlapped that way.

Speaker 5 But a lot of the time when we were filming, it just happened to be on days that I worked a 12-13-hour shift. And

Speaker 5 it was a lot, you know, it was a lot to deal with.

Speaker 4 She kind of had a few what she claimed to be like light-hearted jokes, maybe about the Botox or about the private chef, and then they were kind of edited in a way that made her look a certain way.

Speaker 4 Do you remember them being light-hearted jokes in the morning and you were surprised by how it was edited and watching it back, or the other way around?

Speaker 5 I wasn't really surprised by that. I think it was,

Speaker 5 I think,

Speaker 5 I think the financial differences definitely played

Speaker 5 a large part in,

Speaker 5 you know, in her decision because

Speaker 5 we had conversations off camera, you know, that were about, okay, well, where are we going to live? How are we going to move in together? How is that going to look? How's, you know, and so for her,

Speaker 5 I think

Speaker 5 the financial aspect of it was was definitely, I mean, I don't know that it was like the deciding factor, but I think it was like part of it was lighthearted, but I think there's some truth to every, you know, to any jokes that she did make about that.

Speaker 5 I think there was some truth to it.

Speaker 1 Going into the wedding,

Speaker 1 did you feel like

Speaker 1 Allie was on the fence? Like, what prompted you to say yes? And, you know, were you surprised by her ultimate decision to say no?

Speaker 5 There was actually a conversation that took place about a week before the weddings.

Speaker 5 This was in Denver. This was after a day that we were, like after we wrapped up filming, the cameras went away and we were filming, like I said, about every other day.

Speaker 5 And

Speaker 5 there was, there were signs that she was going to say no. So she actually, on the days that we were not filming, she did not want to stay with me at the apartment.

Speaker 5 She wanted to go back to her place and kind of stay there and not really spend much time with me, which I thought was strange.

Speaker 5 Like, if you're really on the fence trying to decide whether you're going to get married to this person, you should kind of try to spend as much time as you can with them.

Speaker 5 And she didn't seem to want to do that.

Speaker 5 And about a week before the weddings, we had a conversation, which was kind of just like a off-camera, real conversation: like, hey, are we going to get married?

Speaker 5 Is this going to be a yes or no or what or what? You know, and it was

Speaker 5 a really genuine, kind of upfront conversation. And so she basically said that at that time, she didn't see how she could get to a yes.
She didn't see any way of her getting to a yes.

Speaker 5 And I said, well, the fuck are we doing here then? Let's let's just end this right here, right now. I don't want to waste my time, your time, the producer's time.

Speaker 5 You know, what's the point, right? What's the point of dragging this out and getting our families involved and all that?

Speaker 5 And she said that

Speaker 5 she basically just wanted to get to the altar. She wanted to kind of see that through.
And, you know, for in her words, she was to honor the experiment all the way.

Speaker 5 And she said, maybe there's some way she could get to it. Yes.
She just doesn't know how.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 5 that was kind of how that ended. And it kind of left me feeling confused, right? Like it left me feeling like, are her intentions real?

Speaker 5 Is she, does she really want to get married to me, or does she just want to drag it out to the altar and get as much screen time as possible? That's kind of something I was thinking about.

Speaker 5 And I don't know if that's the case or not. I'm not saying it is, but it definitely made me think that a little bit.

Speaker 4 After she walked away, there was a clip of someone in your life calling her a cold-hearted bitch. Who was that person to you?

Speaker 5 That's my really good friend's fiancé, who they're actually getting married in January.

Speaker 5 Happy for them. Shout out, Colin and Brittany.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 5 she's a great gal. She flew in from Florida.
She had no idea what was going on. She was completely clueless to everything.
And

Speaker 5 I think she just, I mean, did I feel that way? No. Do I feel the way that she felt? No.
But I think she is, knowing her, she's just a very blunt, like to the point kind of person.

Speaker 5 And I guess that's how she was feeling. So I thought that was, that was kind of a crazy thing to to include in there in the in the end on the producer's part.
But

Speaker 1 pulling away from you for a second, do you think Joe is getting a bad rap on this show, or do you think he is getting a fair at it?

Speaker 5 I mean, I wasn't in that relationship. I don't know what, like, as you guys know, there's so much more that happens off camera.
So

Speaker 5 I don't know.

Speaker 5 I will say that I'm friends with Madison. I'm really close with Madison.
I'm friends with Joe as well. They just both had very different expectations and very different goals.

Speaker 5 And I think that a lot of that caught up to them in in Mexico and caught up to them back in Denver. But I think Madison's a really great person.

Speaker 5 I think Joe's a really good guy. I think that they just weren't for each other.

Speaker 1 Who do you hang out with the most?

Speaker 5 I hang out with Madison. I hang out with Patrick.
Mike.

Speaker 5 Those are kind of my guys. Joe's really cool as well.
Hang out with him every once in a while. It's kind of my pod squad right there.
Shelby as well, but she wasn't really shown.

Speaker 4 Allie mentioned a date that y'all had where it was like a very romantic dinner. and she mentioned how she was kind of caught off guard with how much you were vaping.

Speaker 4 Do you have like any response to that?

Speaker 5 Yeah,

Speaker 5 I was vaping a lot. She vaped too, but I was definitely vaping a lot more than her.
And hey, you know what? I put down the vape. I don't vape anymore at all.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 4 And it was like a, it was, it wasn't like a jewel. It was like a big guy or.

Speaker 5 No, it was a jewel.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. Got it.
Yeah. Yeah.
Did you ever run into Allie or meet up with Allie or hang out with Allie at all following the wedding?

Speaker 5 I think we've ran into each other once, coincidentally,

Speaker 5 but we don't have any kind of relationship. We're not, we don't really talk or anything.
I know when the show came out, I kind of shot her a text saying, hey, like, hope you're doing good.

Speaker 5 Hope everything's, you know, going to work out for you. Just checking in to make sure you're all right.
And she just. kind of texted me back saying, hey, yeah, I'm good.
Thanks for checking in.

Speaker 1 That was it.

Speaker 5 But we ran into each other at a pool party i think two or three months after

Speaker 5 after we wrapped up filming and that was that's that's really that's really been it was this the mic pool party where casey was crying and okay got it yeah yeah yeah yeah there was there was a lot going on there for sure and like i said this was that that pool party was also i mean this is also over a year ago so craziness any context you want to add that we that was left out no i think it was genuinely like everybody was there it was literally the entire um the entire cast was there at the pool party and this was pretty fresh so like pretty fresh after filming so there was a lot of um

Speaker 5 people trying to connect with each other a lot of like exploring uh potential relationships and exploring connections and flirting and all that going on there for sure so before you met your girlfriend did you explore with anybody else from the pods I'm trying to think.

Speaker 5 So I had a really,

Speaker 5 I had a really good connection with another gal in the pods. Her name was Kaylin.
We actually went all the way up to

Speaker 5 Engagement Day, and I was either going to propose to Kaylin or Allie, right? And

Speaker 1 I never actually, yeah, I know.

Speaker 5 That was completely not shown.

Speaker 5 It was made to look

Speaker 5 as if I only had Allie and I proposed to her on day one, which couldn't be further from the truth. But

Speaker 5 I actually never did explore a relationship with Kaylin in any way.

Speaker 5 I think she was kind of not interested in that, and understandably so, right? Like, I mean, I picked another gal over in the pods, so that didn't pan out to be anything.

Speaker 1 In addition to cutting back on the vaping, have you elimin flip-flops from your wardrobe?

Speaker 1 Fuck no. Fuck no.
I still have, I have even more flip-flops.

Speaker 1 Those weren't flip-flops.

Speaker 5 Those were not flip-flops and Baja.

Speaker 1 Those were slides.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 There is a difference. There is a difference.

Speaker 5 They're for sale, by the way, they're for sale. If anybody wants to pay 500 bucks for them, I'll sell them.

Speaker 1 Okay. All right.

Speaker 1 Anton, appreciate you joining us, man.

Speaker 1 Thanks for taking the time. If you're ever in L.A., come check out our studios.
Take some Polaroids that we have all our guests who come on the show, do that.

Speaker 5 No doubt. No doubt.
For sure.

Speaker 1 All right, buddy. Thanks for watching.

Speaker 5 Thanks for having me, guys. Appreciate it.
Bye-bye. All right, bye.
Thanks.

Speaker 1 I'm a fan of him, too. You know,

Speaker 4 this is what this show does. You know, it really just, you realize that they're all just human beings.

Speaker 1 They are.

Speaker 1 And they all you just you see past the character in the edited version and you just like love the human beings in that part that stuff but it is fascinating that Anton and Allie fell in love in the pods and they definitely are not compatible no

Speaker 8 they're not they both seem like normal good people but it is all each other I love the uh he said she said I like knowing the um what hit the cutting room floor you know yeah where it's just like there's other context to the conversation because sometimes some things get brought up where they're like arguing and you're like, when did this happen?

Speaker 8 Or what are we arguing about? And he's like, no, we had a 10-hour conversation about it. That is why

Speaker 1 he had a whole

Speaker 1 connection.

Speaker 7 But that's, you know, listen, they it's TV, baby.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's TV.

Speaker 8 You know, it backs up Patrick, too, because Patrick was like, dude, everybody had multiple couples. Like, no, no, they didn't.

Speaker 1 They did. It's also okay.
Like, it's a TV show.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You know, like, we say we want to see it.
We don't. Yeah.
Yeah. No.
We don't want to see it so true.

Speaker 7 The edit, I got to be honest, the edit is already really slow

Speaker 1 when I watch Love is One.

Speaker 7 Exactly. Yeah, I'm just like, let's speed.
I do tend to double that speed.

Speaker 1 That will wrap it up for us today. Thank you to all our guests, Allie, Anton, and of course, Shannon Bador.
We appreciate them all taking the time.

Speaker 1 Do not forget to tune in tomorrow for an explosive Going Deeper with Sparkle Megan.

Speaker 1 and Jordan on the couch together in studio, hashing it out.

Speaker 1 Leaving it all on the table for a going deeper you will not want to miss and then Thursday we got a lot of good stuff for you we will see you all then bye-bye

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