E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy

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and Android mobile devices as well on PC. What's going on, welcome back to another exciting episode of the valve files reality recap edition i am your host nick and there are some people uh who are following us that are a little perturbed i think with me i'm not sure you're probably asking of course.
And then you're like, well, which thing did I do that they're mad about? There's probably so many. Who knows, right? You live to piss people off.
I live to piss people off. Some of you know.
Maybe some of you don't. We are remodeling the lake house.
It is under construction. The concrete has been poured.
I don't know if we can say remodel because we did fully tear it down. We did fully tear it down.
Like it is a tear down. Yeah.
And a rebuild. Renovate.
Yeah. I thought you guys were just adding some time.
So here's what happened. And then the people listening.
Now, if you're listening, you're like, did Nick tear down his grandfather's lake house?

To which I answer, yeah. I tore

down my house. It was my house.

I could do whatever I want with it.

Sierra, you have all this look down your...

You have this look of disgust on your face.

This is all news to me, and it's not a look of disgust.

I'm just like, wait, that's not what I

thought either. I thought you guys were just picking

out some tile. We definitely picked

out some tile. And some new mattresses.
I didn't really take that bitch to the ground. Yeah, we...
Where are your parents staying? Who? They're camping. Just camping.
Camping. In the lake.
They got them a rental. Okay.
They're in a rental. He kicked them out.
He kicked them out. I took it out to my house.
No, we had been... So we got the lake house a couple years ago.
And it was great to be back. After being there, it was very much like trying to figure out what exactly about this place means so much to me.
And when we were going back and forth between trying to get the house back, we were also looking at other lake property on the lake. Because it was like we didn't know if my grandfather's house was available at the time.
And then I was like, like i really want to be back on the lake but then we thankfully got it uh and then we were back on the lake and and quickly realized that like it was the land itself like where the where the property is located on the lake is quite exquisite and stunning and beautiful and perfect view of like the sunset and things like that and the house was like nicely preserved it was like very much there's a lot about that house that like, I remembered as like a, like a nine year old, but it's an old fucking house. And so we were just like, you know, it was like totally fine.
Totally fine. Totally fine.
And then, but we were like quickly wanted to like remodel it. I, you know, I, now that we're back on the lake, I want to invest in the future.
Like now that we have river and hopefully we grow our lucky enough to grow our family but like i really want to invest in this place and when we go back

to the lake it's really nice to be there but like you know there's like yellow water in the showers

and it's like kind of plumbing issues it's like an old house and it's like you know it's it's clean

water don't it's like high in iron or whatever like i don't know what it is like smells like

pennies smells like pennies um you know you're just it's like fine so we first like we're looking to remodel the house like that was the ultimate goal to remodel the house we brought a builder out we threw a bunch of different plans we were like having all these crazy ideas we're like gonna lift the ceiling up and it was like then the builder the whole time was like you know honestly it's like a really old house and i just think maybe just might make the most sense to just like start over and i was like i don't really want to do that like there's obviously some like sentiment here and so finally we went back and forth and i like had this vision of what exactly i wanted the house with and it was like we're going to keep this part of the house and we're going to add on to it so it it was really just kind of take the inspiration of like the original house, the layout. It really make it bigger and grander because I want space.
I want my parents to like feel my parents live there and they take care of the place. But like when we are there, I want it to feel like our house as well.
Right. And so, you know, I want my parents to have their own master bedroom and master bathroom and walk-in closet.
And then on the other side of the house, Natalie and I have our own master bedroom, walk-in closet, master bathroom. And I want it to be like a sanctuary and I want it to be like a spa.
I want it wonderful, nice, and good. And anyway, so yeah, first it was meant to be a remodel.
And so the design of the house is basically inspired by the original layout of the house okay that makes sense like the stairs where the stairs were located in the original house or is the exact same place where the stairs are located in the new house and then we actually have a kitchen downstairs which is going to be like a lakeside kitchen for when we entertain but it's going to be a really nice one upstairs and that downstairs kitchen is going to be in the same spot so very long story shorter every longer story may be shorter as once we started being made short my long story is still long story um so anyways we were going to save this and save that and like as we they were tearing things down and they were just like it it's just, just, you know, this doesn't make sense.

Just tear it down.

And like, again, to me, it's like the property is what has the meaning behind it.

I was very grateful that when we bought the house back, it was preserved.

Like it was, it was very cool to have lost the house when I was like nine years old and

got it back and have much of the house being like what I remembered.

They had remodeled it. They had done some additions.
They had done some little projects, but it very and have much of the house being like what i remembered they had remodeled it they had done some additions they had done some little projects but it very much like looked like the house and that was cool but now that i am the owner it was just like people upgrade their people remodel their house people change their house it's just like i'm not gonna live in an outdated old house if i can make it better just because like my grandfather like started it you know people upgrade their houses all the time so wait so just to clarify you did tear down i turned on the whole house it's okay one day nick will be the grandfather and he can give it to his grandchildren who can also decide if they want to tear it down if my great-grandchildren's daughter is gonna be like you Just date it. I'm done with this.
Someone say the history stopped and started with Nick. And period.
I mean, again, my goal for the house is it's going to be quite much, much bigger. And I want it to be our family house.
I want it to be a place that we can comfortably entertain my brothers and sisters, family and friends. When go up there my parents don't like feel like lived out you know like pushed out you know their space like i'm investing in the future like right like honestly now that i'm a innovator i'm a new dad i'm like the next 20 years of my life i'm really leaning in i'm really like it's it's all about making the next 20 years like as magical and as fun as possible i'll be 40.
46. yeah well then you could start the next chapter of your life all over because i'll yeah we'll pretty much be dead oh my god kidding um i know a lot of people have thoughts and feelings they're they're now posted some pictures of the um of the project And we got a couple how dare you's.

Really?

The art history in me is quaking right now.

The what?

The art history in me.

What do you mean the art history?

Because I studied art history.

And I'm like, you just tore down a whole artifact of your history.

But that being said, it's your history.

You didn't buy someone else's house.

Well, the concrete steps that have the engraving of my mom's names and my uncle's names is still being preserved.

We're saving that. There's so many places in the yard that are very much preserved but like yeah we didn't keep the old shitty pipes and like the the moldy whatever the fuck or whatever and we decided instead of like having you know to work around this like low eight foot ceiling or seven-foot ceiling that was what they did in 1965.

We just said, we're going to make our own goddamn house,

and it's going to be inspired by the original house,

and it's going to be a beautiful piece of property

on my family's piece of land.

Well, congrats.

Anyways, yeah.

Is there a room for us in this remodel? There's definitely room. Are you invited is the question.
That silence was not for us. We could do a class trip.
Yeah. Field trip.
Class trip. I hope.
I heard we're building rooms. There will be a studio there.
So it's like we could everyone come out for a field trip And we record some episodes

You check into the Motel 6

Down the street

I decided not to be burdened

By what has been

Do Justin and I get bunk beds?

Maybe

Yeah I don't know

And then there's me

Is there a Four Seasons nearby?

There is not

My mom every once in a while will give us a oh but she's she's happy with her giant new bedroom and closet bathroom and you have to keep the materials and build professional kitchen build something else like keep the brick and make something else you know fireplace we we kept some stuff honestly like. I'm not a hoarder.
You can't be attached to stuff like that. The land is truly what makes that place special and beautiful.
And the memories. You don't throw out the memories.
Nope. You'll know where you are, it's like the stairs are in the exact same spot.
It'll look like, am I crazy? You look like you're judging me. Well, the stairs are in the same spot.
You sound like Marie Kondo. She would say the same.
The organizer? Yeah. She's like, you have to thank you for what it's given you and send it away.
You'll never forget the memories. I just don't like try to build around and work around this old construction.
It just didn't make any sense. Just for sentimental purposes.
Well, forget about what I did wrong, listeners. Your real vitriol should be directed towards James Kennedy.
Because if you have not heard, he's best friends with the T But doesn't know I don't yeah he did Retract his his photo By saying he did not know who They were he thought they were podcasters Who were just fans of Vanderbilt one of the Brothers responded did they Yeah What did they say bullshit so if you got for Those of you guys don't know, the Tape brothers are... Awful.
Yeah, I didn't know there were brothers. I just thought there was the one.
Could you imagine? It's worse that there are two. That was scary to learn.
Anyways, without trying to waste too much energy talking about them, a lot of toxicity, they might be the poster children for toxic masculinity or anything toxic. I mean, they've been arrested for, I think, trafficking and some other horrific things.
I don't know. They seem like bad news.
I don't really want to search at your own description. I mean, I turned I turned down a selfie with Jax Taylor way back when because I was worried about the optics taking a picture with the Tate Brothers is a whole new level.
And given James' Kennedy, I like to call him Ike Kennedy's recent past with his alleged violence towards his ex-girlfriend, I think the selfie that he took with the Tate Brothers was, some might say the company he was keeping at least seemed to align with his past alleged behavior in the worst possible way but then james quickly denied what did he write he he said on an instagram story he said i regret posting a photo with the tate brothers on an event last night i was unfamiliar with their content and the allegations against them i only knew them as podcasters that had posted a viral clip about vanderpump i have since educated myself and condemned their beliefs. I am sorry to all that I have offended.
Then the less famous brother responded to James's denial of knowing the brothers. And he wrote, begged and kissed my ass for 30 minutes straight and called me a hero.
He knew exactly who I was and what content I made. He's just a, well, he just, then he offends him.
And then says, fuck this guy. Who knows who to believe, so to speak.
Not that neither of them or either party is in. I mean, I feel like the Tate brother has less of a reason to lie.
And James has more of a reason to lie. I will say, I will say, none of it really makes sense, right? Because if you're James, it's like, how do you not know who these guys are? Especially like, whether you went into this event, there seemed to be some event or like he was in a Vegas event.
I don't know. Maybe it was- I don't know how he still has his residency in Vegas.
Maybe it was a UFC thing. But like, even if you don't know who these guys are, when they walk into a room, like they're making enough of a scene that someone's being like, yeah, it's them.
And who's them? It's like, well, they've done... So that doesn't make sense.
Then he posts the selfie. What did he write on the selfie? Didn't he write...
Something about Bitcoin? Yeah, so you know that they... I guess you know.
That's a Bitcoin. It's like you know they're into Bitcoin, but you don't know that they were arrested for like trafficking, human trafficking there's absolutely no way he didn't know anyways then he posts a denial and it's just like it doesn't make I just know that he takes selfies with fans and things like that he's not reposting them and you made the effort to post this to your own story so it's like that would mean you were excited were excited about these people.
Do we remember the angle of the picture? Was it like James taking it? It was James taking the selfie. The two brothers are on the side of him.
I'm really, really looking forward to Lisa Vanderpump's excuse for James. That should be fun.
Yeah, that'll be really, really interesting. Well, Gypsy Rose is out and about.
I was a little offended that she was in Los Angeles and didn't reach out to us. Her and Ken will randomly send us a picture of their growing family.
Maybe they're done with us. It could be.
She got a new haircut and maybe she is like, fuck these bitches, I'm a new woman. She got a bob.
She's sassy now. She got a Karen bob.
She got a fuck-ass bob. I love it.
She was asked by a reporter recently, did you see that Casey Anthony is giving legal advice? And she was like, I don't think Casey should be giving legal advice. Yeah.
To Gypsy's credit, I remember when I first met her, I was kind of like, hey Gypsy, would you ever be interested in doing a true crime podcast? And she quickly was like, ew, no. She has no interest in true crime.
Which, I mean, at the time I didn't know anything about her other than we just interviewed her. I shamelessly was like, hey, you want to do a true crime podcast? And I didn't really know, but she had, I didn't really know what her response would be and I didn't really have an opinion on what her response should be, but after she gave that response of kind of being like, no, I want nothing to do with it it made me appreciate her more because i didn't put much blood into it but once she gave that response it was a normal response to be like i'm this is like i don't want anything to do with this true crime community i think the true crime community i mean has made her life quite honestly a living hell um i was talking with our friend of show emily baker our official unofficial legal correspondent ofile Files.
And I was talking to her about like true crime podcasts in general is that space. And she was, you know, again, like with podcasting in general, it's kind of like the Wild West.
There's no like rules. People kind of come up with their own standards and things get a little hairy and dicey, especially in the true crime podcast space when when true crimers are discussing unsolved cases.
And there's always this insane amount of speculation. Not to get into it, but the Justin and Blake of it all is this like, it's not a murder case or anything like that, but it's unsolved.
We don't know. And now there's this theory after theory after theory after theory.
And fine, say what you want about the Blake and and justice of it all but some of these true crime cases like involve like murder murder and and sexual violence and for true crimers out there to be like coming up with their fun theories and speculation about like family members and friends who assuming they aren't guilty of whatever crimes being discussed are dealing with this very terrible tragedy and then you have all these like wannabe detectives and true crime experts going out and coming up with theory after theory it's like it's kind of like disgusting and horrifying uh i think some of the true crime people out there do a great job and and have like some you know standards and they do try to police themselves to like have tact. But I think there's a lot who don't.
And I remember like having that quick discussion with Gypsy at the time. And it made a lot of sense because I think she's been so turned off by just people like that having all these theories and speculations and coming up with the stuff that's completely out of pocket.
And for the people involved, probably incredibly hurtful to hear about. so it is crazy that casey anthony was like i'm just gonna pop in on tiktok yeah see like what the fans are doing these days it's like girl when that woman talks it's something something dark and then she's now suing like for the comments who is she suing she's suing or she's threatening i think she's threatened to sue she was pretty much saying like your words have weight so heed what you're saying because anything that's uh defamation or liable in the state of florida it doesn't matter the jurisdiction's here so i can sue you for she she works for a law firm she seems to be who hired casey anthony that's not nancy grace who the fuck hired her who was like yes we want her on on our team? Yeah, Nancy Grace.
She got that Bob back and she said she's just saying what everyone's thinking, which is that it's a money grab. Her new legal advocacy.
She says, I am a legal advocate. I am a researcher.
I've been in the legal field since 2011. And in this capacity, I feel that it's necessary.
If I'm going to continue to operate appropriately as a legal advocate, that I start to advocate for myself and also advocate for my daughter. As a proponent for the LGBTQ community, for our legal community and women's rights, I feel that it's important that I use this platform that was thrust upon me.
Why did she break up the LGBTQ community? Because she's an ally, I guess, to everybody but her own family. I don't know.
It's really dark. Well, she says she's going to look at it now as a blessing as opposed to the curse that it has been since 2008.
Someone commented under her video and it was like the most light comment and it said, Casey Anthony saying she's a legal advocate is like Jeffrey Dahmer opening up a steakhouse. And that hit the internet.
Yeah. It resonated with people.
It people it did yeah it was a shockwave imagine if jeffrey dahmer is he still living no he's not he's dead i don't honey i mean come on there's too much in this brain like beauty and humor and um but imagine if he like got out of prison for some reason and then was like, I bought a franchise of Outback. People would be like, uh, the fuck? Well, I mean, OJ did right if I did it.
Yeah, he did. So this is not unprecedented.
OJ has always leaned in and dabbled on the line, the very thin line. It kind of worked for him.
I'm not saying it was a good thing, but it did work for him going forward. And maybe Casey Anthony is attempting to kind of get what OJ got afterwards, but I don't know if it's going to work.
Listen, people like a spectacle and the internet is full of spectacles. Well, speaking of spectacle, did you see that the cop who arrested justin timberlake for the dwi was named like officer of the year they really pro britney over in that town in that jurisdiction yeah yeah do you think it's only because he arrested justin timberlake it had to be yeah right yeah i mean it's sag harbor the hamptons so i'm like there's there's got to be a lot of...
You don't think there's a lot of crime going on in the Hamptons? It's like white-collar crime I can't talk about, but they're like, we did arrest Justin Timberlake and made the news. He was honored for making an immediate impact during his first year on the job.
Oh, that was his first year, and he arrested Justin Timberlake. And he brought out the, this is going to ruin the tour.
This is going to ruin the tour. Well well we have a big week lined up for you all

on the vile files before we talk about this coming week don't forget that dylan effron's going deeper episode dropped last friday and it is a must listen must watch episode you will all want to make sure you check out today's episode is going to continue to be wacky and fun we have Harvey Guillen with us, star of

What We Do in the Shadows. He's also

in the new movie Companion. He's also a big Housewives fan, and we are excited to talk with him all things Housewives coming up, as well as we have Brittany from Traitors joining us later this episode to talk about her scandalous exit and her voting for Danielle.
I'm honestly, a lot of people are thanking her for really the only drama that we were given in the finale, even though it was sweet and everyone got along and. I'm the faithful one together.
It was a little boring. Brittany is with us to talk about her shake up in the castle.
And then we have this week on going deeper on Wednesday, will an Emmy from Southernity. Will did not show up for the reunion.
Well, he did show up for the reunion, but did not go on stage. He does show up here.
We think. I don't know.
He's supposed to show up. Later today, we will sit down with Will and Emmy to talk about their whole season, their relationship, the rumors, the nastiness, all the things going on about them and their season of Southern hospitality.
That is this Wednesday. And then Thursday is jam-packed as well.
We have Heather McDonald is joining us. I was on Heather McDonald's show last week.
We debated Justin and Blake. Not sure if...
We'll talk a lot of housewives with Heather maybe a little Justin and Blake South by Southwest is going on a lot of movie premieres are Blake and the rest of her cast was there premiering their new movie another simple favor so Blake's out and about and then the fans were trolling as the fans do I just find it fascinating that for all the hardcore

Justin stans out there,

one of the rumors

they like to throw out

or the theories

is the attraction

that they allege

Blake having for Justin.

And it's just like,

wait a second,

if she was going to have

a thing for any of her-

It would be with Michael

motherfucking Marone.

That's what I'm saying.

Like that guy,

he is sex.

Have you ever seen 365?

I've heard you talk about it.

Oh my God. Yeah, a lot.
365 on Netflix? on Netflix Uh uh You've never seen it Oh my god You haven't seen it I've seen a lot of memes What You haven't seen the scenes Holy shit The yacht scene You haven't seen the scenes The yacht scene The yacht scene Is yacht scening And Yachty The yacht Well Same thing The yacht scene With him And Yachty at the scene. I don't remember the female actress that he is in this scene with.
But let me tell you, if you ever need a moment. Well, I don't know if it would be.
It would work. Will it? Okay.
If you ever need a moment, is she enjoying it? Oh, my God. Okay.
I mean, it is full on. Well, in the sex scene, she definitely seems to be.
She is, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The yacht scene. Very aggressive.
Very sexy. Listen, if they would have put that sex energy into Baby Girl, I feel like Baby Girl would have been a lot more popular.
Anyways, the rest of my case. It's good to see Blake out and about.
I'm excited for a new Paul Feig movie. I really love him.
And he loves Blake. Yeah.
And he loves shutting down a rumor. Yeah.
He's a very talented and funny guy. What was the rumor he was shutting down? Blake Lively and Anna Kendrick were like beefing and he said that was incorrect or wrong or something.
I mean, Anna Kendrick definitely does lean in to the narrative. She was asked like, what does it mean to be working with Blake again? And she responds with, oh, you know.
She didn't say, lovely, it's amazing. Which is what Blake's response was.
Yeah. Yeah.
When Anna is so dry too that you can never tell if it's just her sarcasm or if it's a shade. Also, maybe two co-workers not being best friends isn't like whatever.
I fucking hate Mary. Wow.
I'm just kidding. I'm kidding.
She gave nothing. Wow.
Oh, you know. I thought you were talking about Miriam Cosby.
The Love is Blind finale and reunion have come and gone, and we only have one married couple, but good for them. You know, what started off with Are You Stalking Me has turned into the......
Invisible string. Yeah, the...
What is the... Remind me what the invisible string is again? That you always have like a tie to your person.
Like it doesn't have to be romantic. It could just be like familiar too.
But it's like, it will always bring you back to the person. Or like you're meant to eventually meet up with them so that everything clicks.
Where do you think our invisible string is like attached to? I i don't understand the metaphor it's a taylor swift song well no i mean it was it's a theory before taylor swift oh yeah that's all but it's like you guys have an invisible string we have one the invisible string theory is a belief that people are destined to meet and are reconnected by and are connected by invisible string it's based on fate spirituality the theory suggests that people are often hidden from each other, but we'll meet when the universe deems it right. So it's almost like being at the

same place at the same time. For example, I ran into Connor at a bar when I was with my ex-boyfriend

a long time ago. He remembered me, didn't remember him.
And I was like, who was that?

Connor, somebody's ex-boyfriend. Okay, cool.
Never saw him again. But it's like, we've been

at the same parties. We've been through life together, but we weren't together.
Stayed at

the same Coachella house 10 years ago. I think it's our we've been at the same parties.
We've been through life together, but we weren't together. Stayed at the same Coachella house 10 years ago.
Wow. Yeah.
I think it's our fat asses. You think that's where the strings connected to are assholes? Y'all are hilarious.
That was a really funny. Like if we really are pulled together, it's just our butts touching? We weren't, thankfully, at the same parties 15 years ago.

Oh, my God for that.

To clarify, I think the invisible string is a string to your soul, not a physical part of your body.

Oh, for sure.

Maybe it's a desire for our fat asses in our souls.

Is Natalie doing something with your fat ass?

I want to be clear.

I also have a fat ass.

Yeah.

And what am I doing to your fat ass?

I also have.

Wow. I just don't want anyone to think I'm object a fat ass.
Yeah. Yeah.
And what am I doing to your fat ass? Whenever you want. I also have.
Wow.

I just don't want anyone to think I'm objectifying my life.

He's objectifying himself as well.

I'm objectifying myself too.

Anyways.

String, string.

Congratulations to Taylor and Daniel for giving Minneapolis the only reason to do that.

Honestly, they work together.

When they were showing their pictures of them out and about in the world they look really cute together They bought their first home The inflatables His uncle Sam and hers Can I say something? Mostly to you A little bit to you I'm sorry My point still stands about sex Oh Not necessarily the truth But my point still stands about sex. Oh, the Dave apology.
Because the truth came out. Not necessarily the truth, but my point still stands.
I do think Lauren was misguided. I didn't think Lauren put herself in the best possible position to be successful on the show.
That's all I'm saying. I think she should have considered the environment she was going into and then thought how things might have played out.
That being like dave's is so full of shit yes you know it's just like when he came out there at the reunion it was like lauren's the one who got away motherfucker like and it dawned on me it dawned on me like i don't fault dave for having been thrown off by the revelation of lauren's relationship coming into this relationship but the fact that like to your both's point like he ended that relationship with he couldn't even he didn't even get to the altar you know what i'm saying he didn't even go with emotions you know there's one thing to be rattled but they're just to like break up it was definitely he used he definitely uses an excuse. 100%.
Not giving the letter to his sister, not letting her meet his family, believing his friends over his fiance. Not even a phone call.
He wouldn't even let Lauren talk to her on the phone. Yeah.
And then for him to show up at the reunion and pretend that she's the one who got away and Lauren being like, you motherfucker had my number the whole fucking time. She we've been At bars together and you got away Here you could have bought me a God damn drink I literally can't Run away there's only six bars in our Area Also didn't show you didn't listen to my Advice at the reunion you decided to pull this whole Fucking stunt neither did Alex Because he did not grow a beard Yeah you know I think he actually shaved more off for the redeemed He did grow more hair on his head.
Madison has a whole new look. She went from pink back to blonde.
The blonde looks nice though. There's nothing wrong with going from pink back to blonde.
I've done that before. I just feel like it's a little dangerous to your hair now.
It is. And like, it's great for three months.

And then you're like, oh, no.

I think she overtoned it.

It was like a color conditioner.

She wanted to like be spicy in the moment.

Remember when you went?

The pink or the blonde?

All of it.

I thought her hair looked nice.

It is like just hard to keep up with because we saw three different versions of Madison

in a short period of time.

I know that like the power of cameras and timing, like she probably felt like this was like just normal. You know, it has been a year.
No, that's what I'm saying. It has been a year.
But for us it was like Jesus Christ. I can't keep up with this girl.
Fuck. She is so fucking messy.
Does anyone believe anything that comes out of that woman's mouth? It's hard when like three of the relationships have issues with her. Like it's really hard to watch Monica and Joey like have this issue of her being like texting with Joey and then meeting him at the bar.

And then like all of, you know, all of these issues.

And then.

Yeah.

And Madison kind of told on herself because she's like, well, it's how I feel when anyone like is like going back and forth in an argument.

And then they have nothing left, but just being like, but guys, it is how I felt.

And that's really the only argument they have left, which is like, yeah, we can't. We are all entitled to our feelings.
That is a fact. But like if if all you have are your feelings and then like no facts or really like you know statements of truth or

anything like that but just the fact that you felt a certain way and was hurt by someone else

for some reason and then that's your justification for doing whatever it is you said or did that

seems to be madison it's just like yeah but i was hurt it's like no i'm sure you were but like that

doesn't justify any of these things that you're like allegedly did and then like her her receipts

Thank you. yeah but i was hurt it's like no i'm sure you were but like that doesn't justify any of these things that you're like allegedly did and then like her her receipts i was just confused what so according to her alex basically like she was trying to i think she was trying to prove that alex was like talking shit but the only proof that she has or brought with her was that him be him saying emojis that meg and mason are back together melty face emoji she thought that was important to include which honestly i love that emoji i think it's very fun it's one of my favorites and then to say like and they wore their reveal outfits when they first met each other like i'm dead like ha ha my friends are so goofy like they're so silly and fun

dead but it's like she was trying to

how is that him

talking shit she tried to do like the blanket

statement because there's one specific text where it

was I told you a lot of the stuff and confidence

that wasn't meant for other people to hear and now

I feel like a bad guy I'm just going to go back

to only saying nice things about people no matter

what so she's trying to be like and that's because everything

you said yeah it's like well and that's

all referring to all the shit you said about Mason

it's like well where is the shit he said about Mason? Yeah. Where is all of that? Because she said he said that Mason was weird and had no friends.
And she said that he said, fuck Mason or fuck you, Mason, or something. Where is that proof? And why, also, it felt like this particular reunion.
It felt like all the ladies taking their turn on everyone but our happily engaged Taylor Taylor.

And then Lauren was also.

I don't think it was all the ladies.

Honestly, I think it was just Madison and Sarah that I had.

Madison and Sarah.

Virginia didn't have a problem.

Well, particularly Monica, Madison and Sarah all like took their respective turns on trying to tell their story and why they think they deserve the Ariana Maddox treatment. That seems to be the new thing on reality TV sometimes, where it's just like they want to give their pitch on why they feel the most scorned or why they were the most unfairly treated by their breaker-up counterpart and they want the sympathy of the audience to get the uh all the all the ad campaigns i will say i disagree with sarah trying to come after ben trying to like paint this whole like you were very scripted and i don't believe you like i think if you don't break up on bad terms like they seem to just like not have like the most aligned values maybe is really the reason they didn't end up together.
And it's like clearly they were in some sort of communication. So it's like for him to say, hey, I think we should like get on this on the same page, get on good terms before reunion is like the most respectful way to go about.
Like that was someone that he was engaged to. And if there's any any issues it's like let's work through these not on national television like we do we left this relationship with equal respect for each other so like why out all of this shit on national television if we could just work through it right now because it sure felt like their versions were just more like more like he had a version of a breakup where there were some maybe hurt feelings.
And she had a version. But it felt like both their versions included them being like normal people where no one really did anything.
My confusion, though, is that I'm like, how does one person think that somebody is moving to Nashville and the other person thinks they're broken up? Yeah. I'm with Sarah on this one.
I'm with Sarah as well. It sounds like they had a conversation that he was supposed to move down and then he ghosted her then doesn't talk to her for a while comes back with an apology well the ghosting seemed to be unclear well no he opposed to my he was she was like why did you take me off find my friends and he was like i'm sorry i took you off find my friends but like we're we're broken up like i can't be tracking you all the time i can't have you tracking So I'm so sorry, blah, blah, blah, whatever.
She felt like that was a very scripted apology and didn't feel like that was real. And then he texts her before reunion being like, hey, we should get on the same page.
What it seemed to me of like what the kind of issue with the reunion thing is, is that it was because he had talked to Jimmy, right? Yes. And it was because of Jimmy's advice that he thought- Jimmy from previous- Jimmy from previous season said that he should get on better terms with Sarah, which I think she probably took away.
Why is that bad? But I don't think that's bad either. I think all of these people who go on this show have a very personal experience.
It's very hard. I think they go from normal life to filming.
A year later, it airs. The fucking internet has an opinion about them.
So I think like them leaning on past cast members, especially Jimmy, who did kind of go through a very public breakup with Chelsea. They had some issues.
He went to the reunion. She kind of came after him.
I don't think he left the reunion feeling very well. So I feel like Ben reaching out to Jimmy or anyone from previous seasons isn't a negative thing.

I don't think it's a bad thing. I appreciate all these

people trying to give us good

traumatic TV, but it really feels

like that. They're just trying.

There's nothing really here. There's nothing

really happened. There's maybe some hurt feelings.

Maybe someone could have communicated

a little better or a little bit more effectively

or could have been a little bit more upfront, but there's

always when you're really upfront, then you get accused of being a dick. You know, all I'm saying is when it comes to breakups, does someone did really something wrong here? Like, is he allowed to decide not to move to Nashville after maybe agreeing to moving to Nashville? Or is that like a life contract of some kind? I think the issue is she felt disrespected.
I don't doubt it. But like feel disrespected all the time and that's kind of my point is like feeling disrespected that isn't a crime but no one's saying it's a crime at the reunion they're just arguing at the reunion for tv i was to say my point was that the only reason he reached out was to rewrite the history of what happened so i think that's where she was like you only reached out and if you look at what ben said everything he said was scripted like every answer was him saying the same thing but in a different way using the same buzzwords so it's where she was like, you only reached out.
And if you look at what Ben said, everything he said was scripted. Like every answer was him saying the same thing, but in a different way using the same buzzwords.
So it's like she was like, you only reached out to me to like be on the same page, but we're not even on the same page of what happened. I think Ben knew he was not going to get out of that reunion in a good light.
So he was like, let me just say the basic like, yep, I'm sorry. I'm sorry you feel that way.
I'm sorry I hurt you. This is my version of things.
This is how it played out for me. Yeah.
And I feel like he wasn't in a place where he could be like, let's argue with this woman on national television because that's kind of like what he texted her to do over text or over phone or in person or on FaceTime before the reunion. So neither of them had to do it on national television, which I honestly respect if there was no, if neither of them did anything wrong, right? Like, you know, they left on good terms.
There was some obviously confusion of like, who's going to Nashville, who's not, whatever, like a little ghosting on, it seems like both of their ends. But I don't see anything wrong with him being like, let's just like not air out all of our dirty laundry in front of the world.
Let's do it with each other and get on, like, this is all that matters is me and you at the end of the day. So like, let's get on good terms.
Let's crush whatever beef we have and like go to the reunion and be like, we're good. I also don't think it's like, I don't think she's obligated to be on good terms with him.
She's not obligated, but like it is a little. I think it was like offered as like, well, if I'm trying to be on good terms and like you automatically have to also be on good terms.
but i i look at it the other way i look at it as she found it to be potentially financially beneficial for her not to be on good terms with ben well we don't know that we don't you're right but we also don't know his motives either i'm just saying like this is the guy that was leaving his business card for his youtube videos correct yes yes okay just yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah clogged old a little douchey whatever i'm just saying like we can sit here and like poke fun i just think there's a big difference between some of these like accusations being thrown around this reunion versus like you know raven back in the day when she was like being two-timed but that's kind of my point it's just like there's no real meat on these bones right there's no no there's like the worst thing the worst accusation here is you were gonna move and then you know is that everything was scripted and nothing was genuine but i i agree i like i agree i agree with your interpretation i think he looked like a guy who was i'm not gonna argue with her because i'm not gonna win here like no one's gonna have my side i'm not gonna raise my voice and get into it with Sarah on the couch. I'll just say I was wrong and you can think what you want because I'm not going to win.
And honestly, that was probably the smart move. I do wish they would have given Joey's sister a mic because she seemed like she wanted to get real vocal when Monica was coming at was coming at him but virginia and devon was interesting how she was basically like i know he's not comfortable talking about his beliefs on camera and i'm not comfortable repeating his beliefs on camera but i will tell you what my beliefs are which i feel like was the shadiest way very classy very shady very good yes also she talked like, what was this whole check thing that like his mom wrote a check for them to get married? His mom's boss wrote a check for the wedding and she never knew of the check until after.
And so she never saw the check. And she was like, I'm not saying you pocketed the money, but like, I didn't even know that existed.
So it's a weird thing to not mention. I feel like time we got any sort of money for our wedding,

whether it's from my family, Nick's family, a mutual friend,

it was like, oh my God, look, they sent us a hundred bucks.

How nice.

It was a conversation we had with each other.

So I think Devin not telling her was definitely a little red flaggy.

And it was like days before too.

Like she ran into somebody's mom or something like that who told her.

So she was kind of like, is he going to tell me about it?

No.

He could have definitely forgotten.

Well, he said he was waiting until he was after they were married to tell her which i mean i it's not that hard to believe that he had a million things running through his mind and uh the check that his mom's boss wrote for you don't think he's like this prenup, that means everything's going to be both of ours the second we marry, so maybe I'll just keep this to myself. I think that's exactly it.
Well, when did he cash the check? I don't know when he cashed the check. No one ever said when he cashed the check.
But it was alleged that he hadn't cashed it yet. It seemed, to my understanding, he had not cashed it.
I think Virginia...

And I'm just saying, but if you have the prenup theory, that theory doesn't work.

Because if he cashes it after they're married, then they're sharing it.

No, he was going to tell her after they were married that he got the check.

But when did he cash the check?

I don't know.

I don't know.

I'm not his bank account.

I am not Wells Fargo.

AD and Ollie are engaged.

They were cute. Did that ruin Perfect Match did that ruin perfect match or i don't i don't i guess congratulations but thanks the way i was so confused i was like are they hosting the next season and then i had to like google and it's like no they're on the upcoming season and then vanessa's asking him i guess honestly they were probably like listen we're ready to get engaged, so either we need to like announce this with y'all or we're going to announce it on our own.
But like, our relationship's ready to move forward. It's not the timeline of Netflix.
Does Perfect Match, like, have they ever had an engaged couple? I don't know if like that's the show. Not that I know of.
Usually it ends with drama. Yeah, I feel like usually it ends with like people voting who the Perfect Match was, right? Yeah, they just vote.
And they go on a trip together. And they went on a trip, yeah.
Remember because the random couple came out of nowhere last season? Oh, yeah. Justin, Harry, Micah.
Who was it? Yeah, it was like the last, like people who weren't even on it. Yeah.
Ended up winning. It was winning.
All we know is any drama to do with Oli or AD, just disregard it when you're watching Perfect Match. They're good.
They're engaged. Nothing to worry about.
I will say they do everything in their power on these reunions to just like, they'll throw in anything. They'll throw in like a magician if they need to.
What is the concert? It's Alex Warren though. Do you remember our guest? Alex Warren.
Alex Warren. He was on our podcast.
Was that Alex Warren? We did Going Deeper with him. Yeah, we had him.
That was Alex Warren.

Even though he does look a lot like Alex, the contestant.

Wow.

Kinda, yeah.

Now that makes sense now.

Nice performance.

Good for him.

It was that.

It was the ad for the, if you want to be in the pods, where I'm like, am I playing this with real people?

Yeah.

And then like all the best moments, which some of it, I'm like, why are we bringing

this up again? Sarah Ann. Laura and Jeremy.
Sarah Ann, that was the top moment, number three moment. I mean, I do remember that.
Oh my God. I think Jessica and Jimmy did win.
Well, I, for whatever you think about season eight's Love is Blind in Minneapolis, I heard season nine in Denver is a smash hit. Really? Full of toxicity and drama.
They need it. That's what I heard.
They do need it. We'll see if they come through.
I think it might take a while after this season for people to jump on to next season. You know, I think they might be like, I think people watched.
We've done worse. That's true.
You know, Bachelor seasons have been way worse than this Love is Line season. Speaking of which, we'll talk about the tell all on Thursday.
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Harvey, welcome to the show. Thanks for having me.
How are you doing? I'm good. Love what we do in the shadows.
Thank you. Always been a fan.
We're also very excited that you're a big Housewives fan. Oh, yeah.
Huge Housewives fan. What's your favorite? I'm kind of torn between Salt Lake right now and then Potomac just because of what's happening.
I feel like everyone should just put everyone who's been in prison into like one cell and then like have housewives of, you know.

Housewives of cell block one.

Yeah.

And they all have to do like cell block tango.

What if they did like a prison housewife?

Yeah.

Someone said this under something and Andy was like, too soon.

Like, please.

Oh, yeah.

They tweeted that or something. Yeah.
It's too soon. But is it? It could be good.
I'm just thinking ahead. Do you have a favorite housewife? Oh, God.
I mean, I love Bronwyn from Salt Lake. Only because we've become friends.
We're friends with Bronwyn, too. She's really lovely.
And I think out of all of them, she was like, I don't know why they tried to attack her. She's new.
She's new. She came in.
she's really we're friends with Rowan too she's really lovely and I think out of all of them she's like I don't know why they tried to attack her like it was just like she's new she came in she's stylish she's fabulous and then all of a sudden they're like we don't like you and it's like what she didn't do anything and she's richer than them that part yeah I think that was that part and she's unbothered and she's not a follower and that's what I you know and I had dinner with her and like Todd and like it was just like they're just the nicest people but you had dinner with her and Todd. Yeah, we were at dinner for Christian Seriano in New York.
Of course. And I was sitting next to them and I was like, they're the nicest people.
I want to have dinner with Todd. Yeah.
How was Todd? Todd was lovely. He's very charming.
He's just a nice guy. And he's like, you got to come over.
You got to come over and come into the house. I was like, okay, I'm going to come over.
I was like, I have to show you my Starbucks cup. Yeah, literally.
I was like, I love that. And he's a Dodgers fan.
He's a baseball fan. So I think he's going to the game in Tokyo to open the Dodgers.
And I was like, I'm a huge fan. And yeah, so.
So you're going to go to the game with him. I don't know.
It's not official. I'm not putting myself in someone's jet.
Does he fly private? Like that's what I was going to say. I don't want to put myself in someone's jet.
But if he hears this. If he hears that a call.
If he hears that I want to go, if you tell me to go, I'll go. If Todd flew you private to Japan and then was like, you got to find your own way home, buddy.
I mean, that's fine. Or would you go the distance with Lisa? I don't wear coach and I don't buy coach.
Would what would you that's a long flight that's a long flight uh i just did it last week actually oh my god it's a nine and a half hour flight uh first class yeah of course not 19c no 19 19c that's okay nick puts me in row 50 so what yeah he does anytime he flies he's in first class but if i'm with him i was in first i'm freaking out it's really fucked up honestly that is that is that is what you call a farce okay well half truth well half truth half life yeah it has to be one of 50-50. I did buy her something really big recently.
Lace-ently.

Recently. life yeah it has to be one of them so 50 50 i did buy her something really big lately recently recently oh let me guess you have to wear it and you look amazing in it i bought you something that i enjoy exactly i think she does not have to wear anything wow wow wow it's hurting me to wear yeah but he's loving it No you did Surprise Surprise I want to watch this play out I'm freaking out That's crazy So yeah Row 50 is fun if you ever wanted to see What it was like back there maybe maybe I could take you.
I don't know her. You don't know her.
Yeah. Well, I'm quite comfortable back there.
So. I mean, I flew coach all the time.
One of the biggest perks of like being in a project is that they fly you business. And that's really nice.
And I think the first time I ever flew business was when I got like a big gig that took me out of town. Because I mean, yeah, I've always flew coach.
And so that was one of the biggest perks. That was one of the things I look forward to.
So when like SAG was doing their, you know, whole re-evaluating contracts, that was one of the things that were like taking out. I was like, no, no, no.
No, no, that's dope. Don't do it.
Residuals, who cares? Like it's like, we've got the business. Take AI, take my face.
Just give me first class. I don't even use this.
You cannot take my face. I'm going to reiterate.
You cannot take my face. No, it is just, I think it would be fine if it were the two of us.
But the fact that I did carry birth his child and he's putting me and his 13 month old daughter in row 50 is I think what is really. He's torturing both of us.
Yeah. Someone told me a story that they sit next to Teddy Mellencamp's nanny

and their kids.

So she was up in first class

and the kids were with the nanny.

She's like, I got to meet her.

You did?

She was sitting next to you?

No, sitting next to her nanny and the kids.

And she came back to check up on them

and she was like, how are you guys doing?

Good.

And then she went back to first class.

I feel like that's fair.

How are you guys doing?

Good.

Is that weird?

Is it?

I think it closes the curtain.

Don't disturb mom.

She's like, I'll take a hot towel immediately.

Would that be bad?

I don't know.

I think it's good.

I mean, the nannies that are with the kids are being taken care of.

That's totally, you know, it makes sense.

But I don't know about yours.

I think, yeah.

I mean, ours is still our lap child.

Yeah.

We just can't afford it.

We're on a budget.

You can afford it.

But he can afford it. Exactly.
No, I didn't pay for it. I didn't pay for it.
But he does. afford it.
We're on a bunch. You can afford it.
No, I didn't pay for it. I got it.
YouTube got me first class. But remember when you were flying yourself and you had that little emblem on the chair? Because when I checked in, they're like, do you want to upgrade for a couple bucks? And I was like, sure.
And if you fly enough, you get enough cloud

or something.

I'm waiting for that.

I started collecting points and that's how I got to go to Japan.

I just started cashing in my points.

And I was like, how many points do I have? My friend's like,

you can fly first class to Japan.

I was like, let's go.

Took my sister for her birthday.

So we loved it.

After traveling back and forth for work, you get a lot of points. Okay.
Yeah. Use those points on them.
Please. You just got done with Oscars week.
Yeah. How was it? The celebrations parties? It was great.
Went to Elton John's party for the Oscars and to raise money for the AIDS organization, which is a great organization.

You guys should look into that.

And Bronwyn was there.

You guys should look into that.

We went to that party a couple years ago.

We haven't been invited since.

We haven't been invited back since.

It's really fun.

It's a fun party.

Chaperone was singing.

And it's kind of cool because the event takes place in the park behind the Abbey.

And she's singing Pink Pony Club, which is based on the Abbeybey that's what the song is based on and then elton was singing and it was like what is going on and ron and i were like front row and so it was just like this we looked at each other like this will never happen again like this will never ever happen again this formula it's just it was great did you see any celebrities like having to take their shoes off because their feet hurt did you see any like couples arguing did you see any yeah i mean people take off their shoes all the time like i feel like i saw people on the carpet like i'm like we're not even done with the carpet yet and they're like take my shoes off yeah uh so that happened in the dance floor as well and then you feel weird because they're barefoot and you're dancing if someone stipped on anyone's toes yeah i don't want to say anyone's toes would a pair of i don't know like louboutins or jimmy shoes or something like someone had kicked off and like yeah i mean what you mean like what i take i mean it's like that sex in the city episode where she goes like but they were my shoes like that's too much money for she's like but you took him off at my door yeah but you made me then she sends an invite right or

like um That's too much money for her. She's like, but you took them off at my door.
Yeah. But you made me.
Then she sends an invite, right? Or like, no, I don't think I would. Especially because, no, that's, I don't know.
That'd be weird. And also, are they my size? What size are you? I'm 11.
I'm like, these ones. These are screaming.
I'm freaking out no but they are Louis Vuitton so anyways we'll be moving on did you see Tamara Judge is speaking her exit from Real Health Size of OC in the middle of filming in New Orleans and just posted a selfie in the airport yeah her best I mean, her best friend, co-star Teddy, like, is literally fighting for her life. I mean, I gotta assume, like, The petty drama just isn't worth it.
Just like, you know, you're just like, I don't, who gives a shit? Yeah. I guess at some point, I mean, they've also had a long run, right? Like, she's been on for a while.
OG, is she OG? Oh, yeah. OG OC? I believe she's, yeah, from first season, absolutely.
Wow, that's a song right there. I should think about her next adventure.
Yeah, I am OG OC. She was off the show for a couple of years and then came back maybe two years ago.
But she is OG, right? She is, yeah. No, she joined season three.
Oh, that's early on that we can forget the first two seasons. How many seasons are there? Who's still standing from like the Jersey housewives from OC? Like, I still remember like, you know, even the way they were shot.
Like, it was like the family was behind them and the kids and the dog. And now they're like, leave them out.
It's about them. Yeah.
It's just like, what would be your catchphrase if you were a housewife? You know, none of them. Come up with it.
Yeah. They just say them all and then they find out what the producers picked when the show airs yeah isn't that crazy the trick is to read the ones you don't like in a bad way so that they can't use it that's true that's what they do you could hear sometimes they did read it that way and they still went with it use it in like a crazy accent yeah they're like you might think I'm crazy but I don't know how to finish that sentence that didn't make any sense yeah um perfect so but she did post a selfie in the airport looking like she is leaving filming she is done which i guess when you are that close to someone who is fighting so hard for their life you realize that like the petty stupid drama just isn't worth it you know and that's probably what all her co-stars i mean that's what every reality tv show is about is just like stupid petty drama and so i feel like she was probably like this just i don't give a fuck yeah and people say that you know like even with the with potomac where like people say that she's not like that in real life i like her in real i like karen in real life i don't like her when she's on the show because you act differently in front of the camera so I feel like that changes you a little bit and so I feel like what is Karen like when she's not the grand dog you know because that's all I know she's this bigger than life you know character now she's you know in jail would you whisper that we can hear you oh sorry sorry that was my inner monologue wah wah wah are you watching Bev Hills? yes are you a Dorit or Kyle? man this Dorit I really like this oh I was so sad about setting her mom like her mom I know it's just like the relationship I feel like it's finally healing maybe I don't know but she was really sad because she was like I know you don't like flying I don't mind flying did you see Okay, I know it's just like the relationship.
I feel like it's finally healing. Maybe I don't know.
But it was really sad because she was like, I know you don't like flying. I don't mind flying.
Okay. I know you don't like cashews.
I love cashews. It's like everything was the opposite.
It's like, why? Why couldn't Sutton fly her mom out? She did. She did fly her out, but she missed her flight.
Yeah. Or her flight was canceled.
Why couldn't she put her on a private jet if her wallet is so big? Oh, right. Oh, I think my wallet is.
And I think my wallet is. Yeah.
Well, then if it is, why isn't your mother here? Yeah. Charter.
Oh, I didn't think about that. She's getting like 300K a month.
Yeah, no. She couldn't like, she couldn't allocate like 50 of that.
I feel like Dorit would have. From mama? Yeah, Dorit would have.
Dorit would have. Yeah, I will say, yeah, Erica Jane always flew everyone in her crew.
You would not be sitting in row 15. No, you would not be.
You would not. So something I appreciate about Erica is that she always said that, yes, she might have been, you know, using funds.
So I may not have been loved right, but like I got where I needed to go real fast. Yeah.
Sometimes. And Doree, like Doree, I feel like, I like this Doree.
Like she gives no fucks. Like she's just like, it's like it's I like that where's this one because before it was like PK so proper you know and like I was like we're like you're from Connecticut what is happening but now I'm seeing it she's just smoking and she's like I don't give a fuck yeah it's kind of great I honestly do think though if Nick did have a British accent I also would have a British accent.
It's just I would. It rubs off yeah.

Yeah that makes sense. That does make sense.

And if Alec Baldwin had

a Hispanic accent it would make sense

for also Hilaria to have

one as well. But he doesn't.

I think Hilaria is also from Connecticut.

What's in the water in Connecticut?

Also but

is Hilaria better than Hillary?

Like why would she opt for Hilaria? Because she's hilarious. Duh, as would I.
But she is hilarious, but I don't know if it's a with. And also, correction, she's from Boston.
And it was actually typed in Spanish. You wouldn't pronounce the H.
It'd be Hilaria. Hilaria.
Mm-hmm.

So.

But you told her.

Because you don't say the H.

And if you were going to say the H, like a J, it would be a J.

Exactly.

Hilaria would be with a J.

Like Javier.

Oh, my gosh.

Well, sorry.

You learned here.

You heard it here first.

How would you say Nick?

Nick.

Perfect.

Super sexy, super hot.

No, I love that I'm circling with that.

Did you keep up and watch any Vanderpump before it exited?

Yeah.

It was hard to watch that one because it was like, you know, I first was Ariana.

And so that was like a, damn, like the last couple of years have been tough, you know, to watch. And then I just finished Traitors.
So then you're watching. Yes, you don't root for a certain character because you go into a game and you're like, I already know I don't trust you.
Even though it was plain sight that they weren't a traitor. It was like, I still think somehow.
So you would have been Dolores. Just Tom.
She was so mad at Bob the Drag Queen, too. She was like, I made it nice, you know.
Did you see that Sheena had quite the weekend with Lady Gaga? Yeah. And they were at the SNL after party, yeah.
Kind of a big deal. Huge deal.
First, Lady Gaga is saying that Sheena's the one and only character that she will miss the most and then meeting her and then like weeks later she's I assume that invite's coming from Miss Lady yeah that's the party where I met Lady Gaga for the first time cause uh oh I'm so sorry how does one get invited to said party I think of your friends to the cast. So I know a lot of the cast members.
But that was the day that Bad Bunny was hosting. And Lady Gaga came to the after party.
And it was like, Pedro Pascal was there. And Lady Gaga.
And she was there with her. She was really nice.
The way I met her. Was that? No, it might have been different.
I've been a couple of times. Oh, my God.
And it wasn't the Pedro Pascal one. It was another one.
But she was there with her fiance fiance but then boyfriend she they had just started dating but the first thing she did was like hi nice to meet you this is my like she introduces the person that she's with that's really really nice because sometimes when you meet like celebrities or something they're like hi how's it going and there's someone next to them they just don't want to acknowledge them and you're like and hi how are you and this is my husband from 30 years you know yeah so it's like this is my son this is my son yeah last son I found him today do you think Sheena was invited by Lady Gaga or someone from the cast I think it could have been both but I feel like she knows people maybe from the cast I feel like it would have been an easy connection to make like a cast member we've interviewed a couple of people from the cast they haven't invited us really they're really lovely every time I've got I've never planned it it was over Zoom though oh maybe that's why there's a distance they didn't get the energy yeah the energy in person you get it you know and you have to say it with Nick you know it's me it's me I think every time I've done it it's been like in the day of like I'm there on a Saturday I'm like what's going on Saturday you know and then like I'm like what are you doing tonight until I come to the show and like did happens. Do you say you do like a what are you doing tonight like yeah like I don't know what's happening yeah like I'll text you know.
Are you working tonight? Yeah are you doing good drinks tonight what are you doing? Oh my god you're working. No but if you want to come to the show oh my god the show I would love to come to the show.
I forgot that was even a thing. It's just I thought okay fine.
It was giving a Tuesday Yeah I, I thought it was Tuesday. That's what Sheena did.
No, but everyone has been really lovely. Every time I go, I've done a commercial with Heidi.
Heidi and I did a commercial a couple years ago. I'm friends with Bowen because he's super talented.
And every time I see him at events, we always go up against each other for stuff too. Like in a work season, but we're always the ones who are talking in the corner.
So it's really nice. He's really lovely.
can you sing can i sing yeah did you ask me to sing right now i was up for alphabet um which was bought circus circus was bought casino was bought disney bought it yeah oh my god yeah wait is that official yet circus circus is it official I think they bought it,P. Max I.D.
R.I.P. Disney bought it.
Yeah. Oh my God.
Yeah. Wait, is that official yet? Circus Circus.
Is it official? I think they bought it. Yeah.
Okay. I mean, don't quote me.
I wrote it for Disney too. Harvey's? No.
I'm freaking out. No.
They're taking his face right now. His face is falling off.
That was up for Alpha, but that's real. That's real.
It was you and Cynthia neck and neck. How to go.
No, actually, the true story is I was up for Bach for Wicked. And the movie was a two-year commitment.
So I knew Winnie Holtzman, who wrote the script for the musical for Broadway and for the movie. And she called me up and she was like, are you going out for Bach? Because I think you should go out for Bach.
And I'll put you in contact with blah, blah. And I was like, that'd be great.
And I got really excited about it. I was like, oh my gosh, I'm going to audition for Bach.
And I love Wicked. And then they were like, you have to be available for two years to shoot the movie.
And I was like, that's, yeah. And I was in season three of Shadows.
And so at that point, Guillermo was an original, like, Guillermo was like a servant in the first season. Like, he didn't have a lot of lines.
He didn't, like, and then after season two, he kind of became like a bigger character. And by season three, he became like a bigger character.
And i went to the studio i was like cannot absolutely not and like i thought i thought i was gonna ask me like can i take like a i miss next season two-year hiatus like year more disappears and i literally went but yeah exactly because of me they said not they said i could not and it's absolutely not and so that didn't work out and And then it became a huge movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think they're okay. They said, I could not.
And it's absolutely not. And so that didn't work out.

And then it became like a huge movie.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I think they're okay.

They're doing all right.

Yeah.

I feel like it would have been bigger with.

Yeah.

If you had been part.

I think so.

And I mean, I think that Ariana and I would have become like besties.

Besties.

At best.

I was like, and to be fair, I'm like, she did meet her now boyfriend playing the role

you would have. So who knows where she would be now.
That's true. You know? So everything works out for the best? Question master? The best? Is that how they met? I thought they met on Broadway.
No, they met filming. Yeah, I thought they met when he was Spongebob.
I thought they met when he was Spongebob. Well, maybe he'd still remember.
And nuts are you a fan of Southern Hospitality? yeah you are? yeah I know the hot dog party that was kind of like oh smart but I was like wait Sir Wieners Sir Wieners yeah Southern Charm I just got into Summer House as well my friend April like literally just hooked me up to all of these and I'm just going down a rabbit hole are you up to date on hospital have you watched the reunion no I haven't watched the reunion yet no did you watch the finale I watched the finale so you saw prom night yeah prom night was a fun idea but it just escalated so quickly like it honestly feel like anytime there's like a let's do a prom when everyone's like no and also i feel like do they know some last trauma that's gonna definitely come out i know southern charm shot out of order some of the episodes were like yeah so that was weird for me because i was like wait now you're making certain people look like they were and i was like that's. But then I thought, is Southern Hospitality like doing that? Like was the prom episode shot out of order and they made it the finale? Do you know what I mean? Because it was such a big episode.
They're like, that's it. We got the finale.
Well, they did say at the end when like Will's little hot mic moment. Oh, right.
Where they're like, what do you want to do for the finale? Which seemed very. That state.
I feel really weird. What do you want to do for the finale? Six months later.
And oh no i saw the clip of it like i found out last night it was very dramatic yeah i will say and i've said this all season long i don't like tj i don't like him he's so toxic i think something about him at the prom yelling at will and emmy in like the in the front was the most, like, honestly, I would have laughed with Emmy and Will because it was laughable. It was like, why are you so worked up? This is not your relationship.
Well, then they went to go, Will and Emmy pulled up. Girl, why are you yelling? Why are you yelling? They pulled aside, what's his name? The buff mustache.
Austin. Austin.
And then, like, yeah, TJ just comes out and follows him along and being like, I'm part of this conversation. And then Brad.
She said, are we monkeys? Yeah. Oh, right.
That was crazy. And I honestly, I would have walked away too.
If you're like trying to have a private conversation and everyone comes, it's like, what is happening? Like, just watch it back. It'll air in a few months.
And then when, what's her name? Was like, I'm your best friend. No, you're not.
Grace Lily. No.
Yeah. I'm your, I'm not.
Imagine what's her name was like i'm your best friend no you're not grace lily and no yeah i'm your i'm not imagine you with your best friend i'm your best friend no you're not i'm not i would actually maddie like screaming in grace's face he's a whore yeah i want to i want to see your team uh will and emmy or team rest of the group rest of the group Because the rest of the group Has something that As a whole not as individual But as a whole bring something to the show That I'm like I could watch this Well I don't mean like In that moment Oh no them Sorry yeah no I mean like who do you want The other group is more committed to the show, for sure. I want the group because that's the show.
I want the group because they're going to cause drama everywhere. We don't need to spin off with Emmy and Will.
No, but Emmy and Will, in that moment, I'm in their side. Yeah.
That side for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It felt very much like they have, they're in their relationship and the rest of the cast is not. And so, like, anything that happens, like, oh my God.
Yeah. Like, yeah, babe, I was there.
I'm aware. Like you're really.
Yeah. Like you want me to tell you everything that goes on.
His sister also stayed at the house. Why didn't you tell me? You think that's ancestors? Uber eats dropped off something at 3 p.m.
Like, why didn't you tell me? Yeah. You're my best friend.
No, I'm not. No, I'm not.
Well, it's, you know, it's like 50-50 if you hear a rumor. If you're like, you know, are you supposed to tell the person? Are you not supposed to tell the person? But, like, this whole cast is like, no, we need to tell them.
Yeah. And we need to make it our mission to make sure that they, like, hear this rumor and know this rumor, regardless if the rumors are no when they all walk together when they're like can't talk to you one on one yeah and then it's a whole group and then everyone comes and like people who are not in the show are in the background it's like the mailman it's giving small town yeah it really is it was like everyone was in the background like they literally said can i talk to anything you say in front of them you can see in front of me and in front of all of us and it's like no there's cameras here it was yeah eventually also i was like austin having the same conversation with anybody who will hear it yeah just like just so you know yeah my girlfriend's not here because yeah it's okay you well which is to date you.
Which is a very like serial killer move, like stream stream alibis. Genuinely.
That's why I appreciate Mia being like, finally, let's just have the conversation between the people because I'm tired of hearing you ruin this party. Yeah.
Or if you were like on traitors, that would be a perfect tactic, like making sure everyone's on the same story because when voting comes, you're all on the same page. So my girlfriend wasn't here just because everyone knows and everyone knows because I said it.
told you and i told you and now you know so you have to say it yeah and see you have to repeat this wants to be on traders i think oh would you go on traders maybe yeah i love watching traders i feel like once you put me in a game like that and it's reality i don't know how well i would do like my friend again and my friend April, we joked that she would be the first one to rat someone out

and be the traitor.

You're like, okay, guys, he's a traitor.

I know.

And it was like, why?

Jesus Christ.

So the joke is that I don't know how long I would last.

Would you go off of vibes and energy?

I would.

But then I see some of the clips of Danielle,

where it's like, I told you I'd fight.

And it was like the Academy Award goes to. So I feel like you have to be a little bit of an actor to be in that world and make it work because you have to convince people and you can't be too over the top because then it's cheap acting and you're like something's up with you but if you're a good actor and you can just slide into the arena be like yeah they're they're they're faithful but they're not it's the perfect blend I feel like you have to do the polar opposite going on to the following season of Traders

than what the main trader did.

Yes, you can't follow the formula.

Yeah, so it's like Housewives, sorry, you got thrown in the bus because Phaedra was that good.

But like, if you're super dramatic, I think people now going into the next season would

be paying attention to that, being like, oh, crying.

So you're saying next season, the first person off can't be a bachelor contestant like wells was or housewife or housewife i feel like it it could be a gamer i'm not saying who's gonna get voted off first i'm just saying that like following the tactics if you're a traitor you can't be like overly emotional because i think people will start thinking from the last season being like well danielle was super emotional nobody suspected her so now i've got to be the one to suspect the most emotional person yeah you know and that's where it's the plan is to be like fuck that person i'm glad they're dead yeah that's that's no emotion at all yeah they deserved it confessional they deserve it actually even that kind of attitude though they'd be like why is he acting so much like a traitor he has to be because that's too's too obvious yeah that's true there's just too much tactic and strategy it's just that's what i'm saying it's exhausting so if i went on i'd be like can i just watch this is i already have to do drama and like comedy for a living i'm faithful can i just sit here and watch yeah honestly i'm honestly just sitting at the round table and they're like i think harvey is and you're just like why yeah like it's sort of getting offensive it's just like wait why why though i've done nothing i've done nothing but just tell me i'm here to listen vote me out fine yeah go ahead is it giving baddie yeah because i'm giving baddie i'm freaking out did you jump into summer house like this season or this season yeah for the first time i didn't go back and like so i was asking questions like who's she she's been on for five you know who's there like they'll flash yeah which is so funny to me that's like we took a weekend getaway every weekend during summer but you go back to your city life and i was like that's a long commute every weekend and just like it sounds like fun but i was like three hours in traffic like there and then i don't even like to sit in traffic for an hour here in la it's like you know what i mean just to go four blocks like i kind of miss like the older seasons just because it was such like a, they all have such serious jobs in the city. So it's like when they were letting loose, we're talking like blacking out, talking to a wall.
Yeah. So it was like really funny.
Balance. Yeah.
Now they're all influencers. So it's like, I don't have to rush back on Monday.
I might have to go back to the originals then because I like that. I was like, start at season three.
That's when Paige starts, and it's so good. Yeah, okay.
The work is sisters are alive. See, okay, then I want to go back to the original.
I want to go back to the origin story. Okay.
Okay, I'm doing it. Team Kyle, Team Paige.
In this particular fight, not necessarily over. Kyle is which one's called? The DJ.
Oh, the DJ. Mar no i don't like that that wasn't cool because what did she say he's being diplo um i don't know that wasn't cool like especially when you get business involved like it's like weird especially with friends and like money's involved you have to have really like you know clear understanding of what you're getting and you're investing and like.
I did love how it seemed like that table was very far away from that door and Paige got all the way inside. And she heard Two-Face.
I'm, yeah, I'm Two-Face. And she immediately turned around.
Spun on a dime. Yeah.
Like it was just like, you you said Yeah. Also in that like silhouette

I really appreciate her dress.

I was like

that's a really cool dress.

It's a cute cut.

Yeah.

I was like

I didn't see that

when she was sitting down.

She needed to stand

and walk away

and come back.

That's what I noticed.

I was like

oh that's a really cute dress.

Oh what did she say?

Oh shit.

Rewind it.

Yeah.

Carl participating

in Lindsay's

gender reveal

scavenger hunt.

Yeah.

It was like sweet.

I don't know the back

I just know

that they were dating

last summer.

I'm a, oh. I just thought it was so sweet that he like not only participated and was like a good sport.
Really good sport. Also, I'm like, everybody knows that if he didn't participate because it's weird that he did everyone be like carl you're making it by yourself like how dare you like just be a good sport and do you think that there was a lot of baby stuff happening to like really twist you know what i mean like it felt like a lot like it was like we're gender nobody wants to wake up and do like a gender reveal party organization you know just like after drinking all night this was 100 like producer yes you I'm saying? Like, I doubt that Lindsay was like, you know what I want to do? I'm going to do my gender reveal here with this group.
And the hunt. The hunt, the whole thing.
And Carl's going to be there. It's just this.
It was twisting the knife. She had no problem leaving that sonogram up on the mantle.
Yes. When he got there.
That felt a little bit like. Like anybody could have grabbed that and been like, you know what? Maybe a little too sensitive.
No. She said, welcome home.
They're professional TV makers and I think the producers have ideas and they go along with it. That's true.
I don't think at this day and age, I don't know how many seasons. Nine? Nine? I don't know.
We gotta catch up. I just think when a producer's producing and they throw an ultrasound picture on top of a mantle, I don't think any of the cast members nine seasons in are that prickly or that sensitive where they're going to be like, oh my god, don't do that.
They're squeezing all the juice they can out of these lemons, so to speak. Also, bless Carl because it took him a lot to work up just even saying hi to her.
And then this episode when she was like, hey, there's some champagne. That moment in the fridge? Then the camera wasn't even ready for them to go in the kitchen she's like there's some non-alcoholic and she's like oh there is it was a sweet moment like it was like okay it was like kind of almost like just great a little like graze like maybe it was like it was just enough that it was like last summer i was engaged to you and you're pregnant with another man and not to make his dick a little hard yeah absolutely not doing that again because i can't because i'm a child right now and it would hurt it and it would hurt how would you if if uh if i was not there for our gender reveal party and i guess your ex-lover was and then you text me like hey went good went good and if my response was oh that's nice how would you feel well see the thing is lindsey already knew the gender so i would imagine that they went together to the doctor before call had a moment together and then she was like i'm gonna do this he doesn't seem like he's quite of a texter you know which neither are you no no so honestly i would see you saying maybe not a lot of w's after all it would probably be like a misspelled all somehow i don't know if i was misspelled if i was in first class at the time when i text you back i would not be shocked no i would be like okay yeah i get a reception back here so please sorry i actually you might get free wifi up there but I have to pay for it's $8 and I'm not my wallet's somewhere deep inside my carry-on I can't find it I can't get my card out send a message from your screen to mine 50c yeah oh yeah these should have that they stop I don't know if they still do they stop people are getting harassed oh myed yeah could you imagine yeah did you ever i got one time thing it was like years this is years ago when they still had that like someone messaged and it was a kind of an awkward message and i think that's why they probably stopped because you can message anyone as long as you know their seat number yeah it's i think my friends said they messaged like macaulay culkin one time and i was like what you don't know them i was like i know but i was, big fan of your message.
You're like, and I'm in the plane with you. I'm like, I'm watching you.
It's the beginning of a horror film. And you go up to the, you know, like, I think someone's like in the plane trying to get me, sir, go back to your seat.
It's a horror film. I know.
Someone knows. Of course they do, sir.
Everyone knows who you are. You're Kevin.
Yeah. You're Kevin.
You're married to Brenda. And then, and then go back to your seat.
He's like, You shouldn't have done that. Of course they do, sir.
Everyone knows who you are. You're Kevin.
Yeah, you're Kevin. You're married to Brenda Thot.
And then go back to your seat, like, you shouldn't have done that. Done, done, done.
The horror film writes itself. I see you made this flight.
Yeah. There's no way out in this eight-hour flight.
Mommy's not coming to save you. No.
I'm scared. Now you're really home alone.
Now you're really Home Alone.

That's fucked up.

I would watch it, actually.

Me too. Honestly.

Actually, copyrights.

Tonight, I'm making this film.

Came up with this idea.

Came up with the idea.

How was Companion?

Good.

Yeah, that cast is so fun.

We're in a group chat, and we still talk.

In fact, Lucas Cage texted me this morning.

He's like, the barista at my coffee shop said how much our uh gay relationship meant to him and i was like oh and he's like yeah it was really sweet i still had to pay for coffee and that's fucked up that's that's that is actually fucked up um but you are familiar like with vampire-esque like who do you feel like in bravo nation world housewife-ish world would be the best vampire. Best vampire?

Yeah. And then who would be the best assistant? Familiar? Familiar, yeah.
Someone who's organized and can take a lot of, like, I don't know. I mean, a vampire, I feel like, it would be Teresa.
Teresa would be a great vampire, because, you know, we don't have a lot of ingredients to this, you know? Yeah. What about Lisa? Lisa? Which Lisa? Barlow.
Lisa Barlow would be a great vampire because you know we don't have a lot of ingredients you know I think Lisa Lisa Barlow would be a good vampire I think a good familiar someone who has like organized and Sutton's assistant Avi yeah Avi although Avi in the last season has become very like snarky he talks back he's really gotten outspoken the first season outspoken. The first season he was like right away blah blah.
And it's like ah. And it's like he's like running the fashion show.
And even like. He's getting mad at her mom.
He's getting mad at the mom. It was like.
No don't put the dumplings in there. They get soggy.
You know. And he's like okay.
And I was like who is running this household. Like he's the lady of the house.
Yeah. Okay.
who would be familiar? I was going to say him, but like now I'm like, hmm, oh, maybe from, I'm trying to think someone from Atlanta because, remember when she made the best friend contract? Oh, Cynthia. Cynthia.
I think Cynthia would be familiar because she's always level. She doesn't go too, like, even if she's having a bad day, she doesn't go, she's still leveled at it.
I feel like. She's really? Yeah, I think she's leveled at it.
Great to work with. Yes, she's great to work with.
Okay, great. So I would say her because she would have structure and get things done.
And we approve of that message. We like that.
Cynthia, it's a good thing. Yes.
I like Cynthia. She's always been good.
Thank you. Who's your least favorite housewife? Oh, now you're trying to get in trouble trouble.
When you say least, drag, canceled, period. It's gotta be someone from New York.
It has to be from where? I was just gonna say, it's gonna be. Just say Brandon Mubon.
I'm not saying absolutely not. She's my favorite.
My least favorite? I mean, I guess she's in prison now. No, she is is good I like her Jen Shaw could be Jen Shaw sometimes her the way she talks to people I do not like absolutely that she's very rude and like and then throwing things to people I don't like that she's not even like a good apologizer either not a good apologizer no doubles down so I don't want to say it's a double edged sword because I like her but I don't like the way she treats treated me.
Can I say something nice about Erica? Yes. I'm not really pivoting because I'm still a little don't know how to feel about those earrings they're still sparkling and dangling every year.
I think at some point you do have to get over it. I know.
And I have. Just like the rest of the world for the most part.
Let go. You never have to ask if you can do something I saw them on.
Just earrings. $70 million.
But she really honestly like it's not easy to have a fall from grace like she had and have your whole world change and to go from mansion and opulence, all this, to little bungalow in Beverly Hills. And while it's still nice, and I'm sure very expensive relative to your...
She's had a nice little comeback. She's self-made now she's like she's always been self-made but before you just had a little bit of assistance from you know a corrupt lawyer but like the like now she's really you know doing it on her own yeah and even the remodeling of her like space it gives her this like i like her she's smiling more her energy is positive she walks into the room and she's not hers she's yeah before she was so she bought a Porsche.
Like before she was so defensive in the past season, she'd go in and she was ready to fight because I get it. You know, when the world feels like it's attacking you, you feel like you have to always be on guard and she always felt on guard and in this season she feels very like, I'm happy.
I'm good. I'm good.
That's honestly good. She does look good and I'm happy for her.
Erika, we're happy for you. I feel like she's in a phase of like, you can't get to me.

You know, where like I went through fucking hell and like now I can take anything and

like it won't.

I'm good.

She's been through hell and back.

Yeah.

She's good.

And I'm the same way.

So.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Even when Drew was like, my God.

And I just got new earrings.

Yeah.

I did not get any earrings.

Actually.

Wait, what were you going to say?

Sorry, what? Sorry. Sorry.
It was just a little we had a got a bit yeah but i would say even for when they were getting the facials and she was like trying to get her to be like you don't think that kyle's doing something wrong that erica was like i'm friends with both of you yeah like she's very much like being like i'm not going to be used as a pawn in anybody's game anymore either i'm not picking sides if you want to say things say things, you guys work it out, but don't involve them. Yes, I love that.
Same. The year started off really weird with like Dori taking her shopping or she asked Dori to go shopping and then she goes, I want you to be the first one to know.
PK and I. Which was like last year was so like, you know, it was pretty weird.
Thank you. But baby, buh-buh.
Oh, buh-buh. Buh-buh.
Buh-buh. PK.
It's just it was nice to see that they were starting when, look, I need your support. You know, this is happening and you're the first one to know it.
And I thought I was like, wow, what an olive branch. Because last year was so tumultuous.
Well, if she had met Bo's first, it would have been Bo's before Erica. Yeah, because they hit it all.
And I do like that friendship a lot. I love that friendship.
Yeah. How many times is storming off at the reunion too many? It's been rumored that Kyle storms off twice at the reunion.
But she stormed off during the show. So that's added on.
So three. And over allegedly the same topic, which is her and Mo.
You mean her and PK? Her texting PK. Kyle texting PK? Or the Mo.
Can't keep up. I thought it had to do with those girls' divorce.
I think everyone's allowed one. And if you do more than one, if you do it twice, it's getting embarrassing.
You're stealing focus. Like, don't come back.
Yeah, don't come back. Well, you know, from Potomac, she did that and she didn't come back.
Period. Yeah, she walked off.
Remember? What's her name? Maya. Money.
No. She used to own the chiropractor chain.
Oh, that's criminal. Yeah.
You know what I'm talking about? They said she was a stripper. Mia.
Mia. So Mia walked off, said, and then this morning announced that she would not be coming back.
So I was like, well, I kind of read that because once you leave the building, I don't think Andy's too keen on that. It's like you can leave the room and go to your room and like have a moment.
The camera can follow you. But once you leave the building and we can't talk to you, you're out.
And if you decide you're out, then you're definitely, I think, you made your mind. There's no pause.
Can't pause yourself. You can't pause yourself.
They pause you. And then they push rewind.
And they push rewind and yes they do this has been so much fun Harvey can you tell us where we can follow you where we can plug away follow me on planes and message me find my C number it will always be one C absolutely

always

I don't wear a coat

and I don't like

follow me on Instagram

and on Twitter

Harvey Guillen

just my full name

amazing

you're here right now

gracias

you're welcome

well please come back

Natalia

Natalia is me

if you want

thanks for coming

it's just me as Natalia

I told you

I told you

I told you

Thank you. please come back Natalia is me please come back thanks for coming it's just me as Natalia I told you I told you I told you you can check Harvey out on the new movie Companion what we do in the shadow wait is it what say your name it's with an H yeah but that's my stage name my real name yeah gagged yeah I changed it because people couldn't pronounce my legal name what is is it? Javier.
Oh, sexy. Yeah.
So I had a first agent who was like, Javier Guillen is going to get you limited roles. And I was like, and he was Latin himself.
And I was like, oh, really? He's like, yeah. What do people call you? And I was like, well, my family calls me Javi.
Javi is like, you know, short for Javier. Javi, Javi, Javi, Harvey.
And that's a Harvey. He was like, Harvey Guillen, that sounds cool.
And I was like, cool, let's's go for it which I like now because if you know me as Harvey you know me for my work yeah but you know me as don't do this because people have been listening to the story recently and they come to me and place like hey Harvey and they try to be like I don't know exactly that's why I find out that I'm like wait we don't know each other but if you know me for my full name and I grew up with you your your family. So if I hear my name like that in the crowd, I'm like, oh my God, I know them, you know? But if I hear Harvey, I'm like, how's it going? Yay.
Shake and kiss baby. Yeah.
Signed forehead. Yeah.
That was mustard. I just used mustard to sign my name.
But that's how that can be. But Harvey would be in Spanish, Harvey.
Yes. Harvey.
Harvey. Gracias, Nick.
I love it. I love this.
This is a very nice Spanish lesson. And I do appreciate you doing that for free.
Oh, no, it's that invoice. Yeah, we will.
Those flights don't pay for themselves. I would know.
And that's why we're still in. Thanks.
Thanks for having me. Love you.
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Well, that Harvey was so much fun. Well, that Harvey.
What accent was that? He sounded like an old prospector. That Harvey was so much fun.
I sound like Parker Posey with her lorazepam. Tsunami.
Tsunami. Did you guys watch last night? No.
Don't spoil. Yes, I did.
Yeah, we did not.

Great.

That's a Tuesday night watch for us because weekends are heavy reality TV.

Yeah.

It was my one show outside of work

and now it is work.

I know.

That's why sometimes I don't want to talk about stuff

because I'm like, I have to-

Have peace somewhere else.

I can't.

I don't want to think about what I'm going to talk about.

No, you don't even have to-

Did I ruin it for you?

No. I do want to apologize.
I said Walter Goggins last week, and it is Walton. And I would never want to disrespect the man, the myth, the legend, Walton Goggins.
Did they come for you? I don't know, but I've been thinking about it because I knew I was wrong when I said it. I was like, no, Walton.
Did you notice on Southern Charm, they changed Sienna's lower third,

her descriptor,

like really quick from girlfriend to ex-girlfriend. But then a second of when they like put her on screen.

Like when he was just,

she was just like,

we were never dating ex-girlfriend.

That ex,

her leaving was hard to watch where she's like,

don't hate me.

He's like,

I could never hate you.

I love you.

You smell so good.

It's just so hard.

It's so. Definitely not an expert expert don't know anything about medicine or addiction or anything like that but doesn't it feel like uh chef's behavior uh regarding his now ex-girlfriend it's like giving like you know he got kind of clean or whatever it's giving just like impulsive it's giving like he's he's replacing like the excitement and rush of the adrenaline of partying versus with the excitement and rush of like heartbreak and pain almost i mean as far as i know he's never had his heart broken so he said on the show he's had his heart broken three times i don't know how believable that is whatever though whether he has or hasn't i'm just saying right now he is like almost leaning in to just like being embarrassed and being crushed because it's like he he's giving like gambler at a a casino with a with a gambling problem who just wants to feel like the fucking like the comeback right it's like he's down bad he's lost a ton of money and he's still gonna like double down and it's like you know and still like give this woman flowers and write her poetry like and she clearly doesn't want it everyone's telling him to stop all his friends are being like don't spend any more money at the the fucking blackjack table and chef's just like i mean what did he say he says like unreasonable or ridiculous for for Craig to to ask him to be like level-headed I don't know what his exact wording was but basically Shep was just like it was insane for his friend to expect him to do something sane in a way and I'm like wow this is really giving like you know he's having a midlife crisis is what I see.
And I think when you're in love like that, you really context and normal decision making just completely goes out to work. But he's a 40 year old man.
But it should be replacing, you know, like. I'm saying I feel like this.
I mean, I don't know to like I can't speak to like how he's dealt with heartbreak in the past. But what it feels like from watching him the last 10 years was that anybody that wanted to date him or get into a serious relationship had to understand that he is like, this is, I don't want to get married.
I don't want to have kids. That's not for me.
I don't know if the Taylor situation or what, because this is what it looks like. It's like, this is the first time somebody's telling him no when he wants it.
So he's like, this can't be reality. I always get what I want.
So maybe if I pretend that this is the reality, somehow it's going to fall into place. But it's just, it's giving denial and delusion in the worst way.
Well, listen, when you're in your 20s and 30s, you're not that far removed from college, even your immediate family, your mom, dad, brothers and sisters, I don't know, like Shep's situation. But I think it's easier if you don't have like a drive to like be a mom or a dad or have a family.
But when you get into your 30s and 40s and people grow, you know, your family gets older, you know, maybe brothers and sisters also get in relationships, have kids. I don't know.
Your parents get older. You know, you start taking care of them more than they're taking care of you.
All your friends, your bros, youos, your Craigs of the world and your Austins who you thought would be your ride and die forever. And they're the ones who had your back in your 20s and 30s.
And you talk to them every day. They're the ones you opened up to about whatever it is you wanted to open up to.
You'd go out Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sundayay tuesday together and things like that and then people start slowly growing up and getting older and craig is trying to do that as well and it's just like when all of a sudden you're 40 then you start realizing you know what i who's gonna be with me the rest of my life you know who's gonna be by my side you know through thick and thin who like who am i gonna do life with? Because I don't know if I could do it with Austin and Craig, you know, maybe, maybe that idea when I was 25 seemed good enough, but like now I'm not so sure, you know? And I feel like that you're seeing a little bit of that where it's just like, what does life look like for the next 10 or 15 years for some of these guys? Or it's just like, I don't know. They weren't concerned about it.
I think Leva said that on the FaceTime where she was just kind of like, he thought that he could get this girl. The fact that he doesn't now, he's just like i don't know like they weren't concerned about it i think leva said that on the facetime where she was just kind of like he thought that he could get this girl the fact that he doesn't now he's just left with the reality that you're in your 40s and like that's it like you don't have a plan you don't have a relationship you don't know how to like go about and start these things up so it's like he's steps behind but it's like you're trying to force this girl to fit into a mold that she's never agreed to fitting into.
You can change fast, though. I mean, like, you know, maybe this is the wake up call Shep needs, you know, like I am.
Everyone at the table being like, Sienna, are you planning on changing like your lifestyle and living in Charleston and getting married and having kids? And she's like, no, she's like, I'm not even in a relationship. Why would I be thinking about those things?

The wake up call is to stop buying

shark necklaces.

I'm sorry.

Sorry,

Megalodon necklaces.

It was pretty.

Taylor said on the after show

that she modeled

like for a photo shoot

the same Megalodon necklace.

For Shep?

Well,

just for the brand,

I think.

And then Shep bought it

unconnected probably

to give to Sienna.

You don't think Shep saw it

on Taylor and was like... Or maybe.
Kept it in mind. Yeah.
Hard to forget. Shep said it feels like them breaking up felt like death by a thousand paper cuts.
I was just like this figurative language that you're using to be like nobody understands the depths of it. If he's the one taking the paper and cutting himself, then yeah, I guess.
Shep is the definition. You can go as fast or slow as you want, my guy.
Look, no one's making you do this. Absolutely.
Shep is the definition of certain men will have to go and take ayahuasca and have a midlife crisis in order to figure out the same thing a teenage girl figures out by listening to Lana Del Rey. He did raise

a good question

of when you're about to break up with someone, do you still

give them the gift?

No.

If anything, I want my gift back.

A lot of people do, but it's always a mistake.

I've made that mistake before, but it's like

they don't want it.

You really want to see it through.

I don't know. It's just like, this will change everything megalodon to like your love is extinct just like that shark also like what's the return value on this like it's just 24 karat gold it's a cool necklace i'd keep that what's the necklace look like it's a megalodon tooth with like a gold like chain you've never watched shark week oh my Megalodon? There's that whole movie, The Meg.
The Meg. A big shark.
Yeah, huge ancestral shark. Are they real? That's my question.
Why is that a necklace you would always give to a girl? That's what he gave her? That big black one. It has like gold.
And this is Taylor with the same necklace on. It's very Southern man giving a gift.
Prehistoric Meg. Have you received a lot of those from Southern men? That is pretty common in the South, like on the coast, to give shark tooth necklaces.
I loved a shark tooth necklace as a kid. There's a lot of higher end places.
Not just gifts. Just kidding.
I've given a shark tooth necklace, and I've bought shark tooth necklaces for myself.

As a kid, I was...

The Southern Hospitality Boys,

there is a part of me that I'm like,

damn, this is...

This feels familiar?

This feels very familiar to me.

It does hit home.

Austin and Craig had a one-on-one, right?

Where they saw eye to eye.

And I couldn't stop laughing

when Austin was like,

you're an embellisher.

And Craig was like, I'm a lawyer and a storyteller.

Is he either?

So that's why you lie?

No.

He didn't go to law school, right?

It was a lie.

He did.

And he does have a law practice in Charleston.

Wait, Craig has a law practice?

I thought he never followed through with it.

Wait, so he is a lawyer.

I thought he never passed the bar.

Yeah, that's what I thought it was.

No, he did.

Why doesn't he lead with that? Because he is a through with it. Wait, so he is a lawyer.
I thought he never passed the bar. Yeah, that's what I thought it was.
No, he did. Why doesn't he lead with that?

Because he is a pillow empire king.

True.

And he also has one more business too.

Oh, and then he has got the restaurant.

So he's...

I mean, like everyone knows Rachel Lindsay's a lawyer

and when was the last time she practiced law?

I don't know, but Craig Conover is a personal injury lawyer

in Charleston, South Carolina,

who founded the Conover Law Firm in 2021.

The firm helps people with car accidents, truck accidents, and on-the-job injuries. He's an ambulance chaser.
A billboarder. Does he have a billboard? That'd be cool.
I bet he does. You know, they're all over.
Why don't we know this about Craig? I thought he never passed the bar exam. This is new news to me.
No, everybody gave him so much shit throughout the seasons that he did end up finishing taking the bar. then yeah, he opened up his own practice.
Good for him then. How's that going? Still open, still functioning.
It says he passed the bar in 2017 and swore in the following year. Is there any people out there with like a neck brace being like, that Craig Carnover gave, I made me a thousand dollars or something.
Ten thousand by just downloading this app. Does he have a commercial? That's his commercial.
Have you been rear-ended by a bad day? The phone number is 829-HURT. I love it.
That's really cute, actually. No, it's great.
Why don't we have any scenes of... Of lawyer Craig? Maybe he wants to keep it separate it separate Like why couldn't Craig help JT with his like cane situation Didn't he have an injury or something That was his own doing though Wasn't that in like overseas When he was driving the car himself And like it tipped I think I have a feeling he's overseeing and other people are practicing the cases He's like I'm in Charleston Nope I'm Nope, I'm in Nashville.
Someone down south. Like, this is hours of operation.
Is he like technically open right now? Yeah. Pull up the Yelp.
Like, I fender bendered right now. You want me to call him? The tagline is, don't get run over, call con over.
Cute. That's a good one.
That is so creative. Call the number and be like, someone just ran over my ego.
What do you... We shouldn't prank call.
We shouldn't prank the people that orchestrate and use the law against others. We should do it with...
I hate Sue Dillon. Do you know Sue Dillon? What? What just happened? Sue Dillon? That's how she talks.
She prank calls people. She's like, I hate Sue Dillon.
Sue Dillon sue dylan oh on tiktok yeah what is yes she wears the wig and she like smokes cigarettes and she sits in the corner of her house and she like prank calls people for him and she'll be like my bush needs to be chived that's how she talks to people that's how she talks to people call people and be like i'm in the bathroom right now. Please pull it off because I look stupid.
Hurry.

You need to be hired as a voice actress for horror movies.

Sue Dillon.

Because that was terrifying.

Listen to her.

Just click on one of them.

She said, Emmy will do.

Are those cigarette earrings?

Yeah.

May I speak with Katie?

Oh my gosh.

Hi, baby.

It's nice to meet you. I'm just calling because I'm dating your daddy, JT.
She's giving it. Your mutt shit in my yard.
She's serving like. It's not a mutt.
It's a pure breed beagle. She's like, that mutt.
All right. Well, up next, she recently left the castle of traitors because she backstabbed her friend Danielle again.
And now we get to find out why. Brittany.
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Is that your gig? That's what you do? We just want you to say whatever it is you want to say. We're here to invite people to be their truest selves.
Oh, really? That's the goal? You go deep? We go deep. It's like a deep thinking? Sure.
Okay. Yeah.
I wasn't prepared for that. I'm i'm all about keeping it light well do you think the earth is flat or yeah quick give us your biggest conspiracy i'm very uh very against the idea that the earth is flat very well thank god we got that out of the way impassioned impassioned.
Have you survived the wrath of Traitor Nation?

Does Traitor Nation have a nickname?

Is it like, or do we need?

I think once a fan base becomes toxic enough,

they get a name.

I think that's really the barometer.

Are you pulling from Bachelor Nation?

I am, yes, yes.

They are, in fact, toxic enough to have a name

like Bachelor Nation.

What is Bravo?

Yes, Bravosphere. Bravosphere.
They're definitely toxic toxic enough i love you guys but we let's be honest here a little toxic well and like a ton of the comments that i see because it's just my algorithm are big brother like big brother fans so the big brother fan segment of the traders fans was very they were very riled up. It was very intense, a very intensive situation.
I don't know if they have a name at you stabbing Daniela in the back again. Is that what they were referring to? Pretty much, pretty much, even though I have like a really good defense, but yeah, pretty much I'm on your side, but I would love to hear your defense.
Not that I need to hear it, but maybe some people do. Well, that's just the narrative that's out there is this crazy story of betrayal.
And it's really like the details matter. And so I feel very much on my own side that it was not a crazy story.
To me, if I was going to stab Danielle in the back, the method for that would have been that I would have gone to the confessional and said, tonight's the night. I'm pulling the trigger on Danielle.
I want to be the last traitor standing. I've got this idea.
I'm going to plant these seeds. I'm going to go to the banishment table and I'm going to lay out this evidence against Danielle.
That would have been a betrayal, right? A takedown of Danielle. The situation that I found myself in rather was that I actually attempted to save her life in the game.
I went around, I tried to get votes for her. I worked really aggressively and really hard.
We got to the banishment table. It didn't work.
Everybody was so rallied against her that that wasn't going to happen. And I was forced into a situation where I had to choose my own self-preservation over preserving us as a duo.
And in doing so, I had to vote with the majority, which happened to be against her. So I personally don't see it as like this crazy attack and betrayal.
I feel it's a very, very different scenario than say, you know, what I said would qualify to me as a betrayal. But listen, it's flashier and zestier if we call it a backstab and a betrayal.
So by all means, go off. Does Danielle see your POV at this point or no, do you think? I think that she does actually, yeah.
And I think that probably like the discrepancy between my POV on Reindeer Games and my POV on on traders in the way that she is able to receive it is that she herself had to do a lot of strategic game moves on traders that existed for the reason of self-preservation in her own mind. And so it gives her a little bit more of a sympathetic or an empathetic eye to what the position that I was in versus when we were on reindeer games the first time it had been so long that she played since she played that she was probably way more annoyed i think that this time on trader she's like yeah it was a bad position to be in it sucked i get it i think that she's more open to it this time she kind of sold you out after you voted for her because it,

she totally did.

She basically was like,

yeah,

well you're cool.

You're cool.

Brittany's a fucking traitor.

I'm out.

Bye.

Basically.

Yeah.

And I had to try to,

to flip that on its head and flip that back on Dylan.

And I had to try really hard.

Like I was specifically remembering everything that she said to him because I knew that he was the target I was going to have to go after. And so I tried to spin it, but yeah, it was a bad look.
And you know, she was acting off of emotion. She was pissed.
She was pissed. So, I mean, I'm not surprised.
It had happened prior. Bob the drag queen did the same thing to Boston Rob.
So it wasn't surprising something i was going to have to contend with i can't even really be that mad about it because otherwise she's basically saying like okay it's cool with me if you win so i i get it your logic was basically because like had you voted for danielle then it would have been a tie again right and then what they would have coin flipped it or like they would have we don't know for sure because the situation's never happened but we knew it would be left to chance so sure probably a coin flip in that scenario 50 that she goes anyway right like in that scenario she still has a 50 50 shot of going home, and I'm going to have not voted against her twice.

And if Dolores does end up switching her vote to Danielle, I'll be the only person who wouldn't vote for her.

And that's a very bad look.

Being the only person, because I know she's going to stand up there and say she's a traitor, whether I vote her out or whether she coin flips and goes up.

She's going to say she's a traitor. And being the only person who won't vote for a traitor, really bad look, really indefensible.
That's evidence that we've presented against multiple people in the game at this point. So I definitely didn't want to be in a situation where Dolores does switch her vote, and then I'm the only one who wouldn't vote against her.
Yeah. So basically you're just like, I'm not leaving my existence here down to a coin flip.
I either make this vote and try to take the wheel or I leave it to a coin flip and deal with the repercussions. Makes sense to me, yeah.
I get it too. I mean, have y'all talked? Like, are y'all friends? Yeah, we actually, we talked after the reunion because during the reunion, we had like this crazy argument about the reindeer game, not even about craters.
Like, of course, it goes back to the peppermint forest. And so after the reunion, we had a good conversation.
Actually, like our first, I feel productive conversation about the reindeer games. Wish we had had that maybe prior.
I think that I don't ever want to speak for her. Like she can feel however she wants to feel.
I think that she's more receptive to it. I think that things are good, but you know, I leave it to her to tell her side.
I don't have any problems on mine. What did you think of the remaining faithful, uh, all leaving together and having four winners? Because you definitely were like the only drama of the entire finale.
And then it was just like, oh. I couldn't believe that with the argument I presented against Dylan, that it didn't get him banished.
Like, even if I didn't get him banished over me, that's fine. Like.
Kick me out first. But is nothing that I said still lingering in your mind? I had so much good evidence against him.
What did you say? I don't feel like a lot of it- Yeah, a lot of it did get cut. But him and Danielle had worked together as a unit from early on in the game.
So any evidence that he had that was contingent on the fact that Danielle and I were allies, I had that same evidence against him. The night that all the people went into the coffins, he self-admittedly had been in the room where they did the writing of it down.
And so I presented this whole argument about who was in the bookcase. Dylan was in the bookcase.
I was never in the bookcase. I would never go to the bookcase like I had this whole thing about Dylan being in the bookcase and and how that he made better sense as a recruit for Danielle if Danielle was in the situation to recruit which is why like there was this clip of me saying like if someone was recruited it wasn't me that was in direct response to Dylan saying I think you would be recruited and I put that back on and said, listen, you make way better since as a recruit, because everyone thinks you're a faithful.
So if you're going to recruit someone, why would you recruit someone who's already suspect? Why would you not recruit someone who's a super diehard faithful? If you're going to try to stick together and make it to the end together, why recruit me when I could recruit you? You're a perfect recruit. You great point and i honestly think that was a huge mistake in danielle's game like i would have recruited gabby or dylan because she was so locked in definitely yeah it was she was so locked in on you you know it's just like everyone just assume and rightfully so and like had she picked the other two it would have changed everything everything.
But if she picked the other two, she was almost literally just handing them a win. With me, my name was already suspect.
So it was like, if we don't go together, neither of us go. If she gives it to someone like Dylan, she's just handing him a win because she's still going to get banished, but she's going to go to the end of the game and win the whole thing.
So in her mind, it's like, yeah, I kind of want to let Brittany win as long as I can win too. I don't really want to just let Iver win.
I mean, she literally would have just been handing him the money. You know what I mean? That's true.
I was the only one that was like also a little bit suspicious. But yeah, it annoys me that they didn't – not that I don't like Dylan.
I love Dylan. But come on.
That was a good argument. Like none of you are even suspicious after this great argument.
That's annoying to me. They were just looking into his eyes.
And then Ivor said at the banishment table that night that he wasn't there for the money. And I think that he thinks that the whole like kumbaya thing is like really gonna go over well and resonate with audiences no that's like the worst thing you could say if for no other reason i would have been like iver you literally said 10 minutes ago you weren't here for the money and so i'm so happy to have given you this experience but you're getting the boo because i am here for the money yeah so yeah they could

at least vote it off iver yeah bro you're a fucking royal you don't need this shit like yeah

and he literally said it he was like and i think we all know we didn't come here for the money and

i'm like is he insane yes we did that's the only reason we're here like what he said the words like

he basically said like you can vote me out if you want i i just why split it four ways when you can

I'm going to go ahead and get started. only reason we're here like what he said the words like he basically said like you can vote me out if you want i i just why split it four ways when you can kick him and split it three ways like it just doesn't make fiscal sense i'm sorry but they're fiscally irresponsible people that's an extra 15 000 they're irresponsible yeah they're irresponsible in making great um finale television and they're irresponsible fiscally if else.
Maybe they're great people, but they're fiscally irresponsible. You tell them, Brittany.
We had Chrishell on. She talked about the whole Danielle swearing on her grandchildren.
You are the closest to her, I would imagine. Where do you think that came from? Was she really just like, I'm in no oh it definitely came from like she's trying to sell the idea really really hard i was a part of the conversation that chrishell was in it was separate from the conversation that you heard about on the reunion it was a different time when she did it in front of chrishell and i and while so you to kind of understand, because I know Danielle, or I was very aware of Danielle's game, it didn't exonerate her for me.
It did for them because they have no context of like these games, how people play these games, big brother players in general, sadly. But like, so for me, when she did it, I was just like, all right, you know, it's just words coming from her because I knew that that would be like something that she would do and justify by saying like, listen, this is a game.
Like this is, you know, this is the whole big brother mantra is like, it's a game. It's a game.
It's a game. It's a game.
However, Chrishell saying it, like, absolutely, I knew that she was a faithful after that.

Because I knew that just Chrishell's personality and her history, it's just not something she would do.

So absolutely, Chrishell and Dolores in that moment, like, they earned my trust 100%. Danielle, I was like, yeah, cool.

But, like, yeah, you know, you just know it's a little different whenever you're working with someone who comes from like Survivor or Big Brother. So Danielle swore on her grandkids and then like Rochelle and other people were also swearing on things that were important to them, basically.
Yes, correct. Yeah, it becomes well, like in that scenario, it becomes like peer pressure, right? Like if somebody brings it up then everybody else has to like oh yeah i swear on mine too i swear on mine too what if you didn't because like i don't know like i for for a game my daughter i'm sorry i ain't swearing on fucking anything i don't care if i'm a faithful or a traitor i ain't doing that shit like if you if you're not lying though it's it's not really like an emotional it was i will say like dolores as soon as it happened she immediately said like i'm disgusted that i just did that like you could tell that no it's weird not happy with herself that she had even done it in the first place like it it bothered her to do it again that's how i was like well she's for faithful because it was like impactful to her.
Like she did not like it. And I get it.
I don't think that I could lie like that either. I really don't.
I'm in a different situation. I think it's left to the individual.
I've been through personal life experiences that would make me like I couldn't. Plus I have anxiety.
Welcome to having anxiety. If you're a person who has anxiety, you have this like tendency to believe that words and energy like actually can change biology and make like a meaningful impact on what happens in the real world.
If you if that doesn't if you don't have that affliction, congrats, it must be nice to sleep all night every night. You must just sleep so well.
I am plagued with anxiety. So like, no, I don't think that I could like lie like that.
But again, you just got to know the source. Coming off of that statement, obviously you are a mom.
You've talked about your kids. How bad were or are your intrusive thoughts? Oh my God, the worst.
And it's so heightened whatever reason. Like, I don't even understand why this happens, but anytime that I go into a really, really stressful situation, it like brings it back.
You know what I mean? Like it, for some reason it like bubbles it up and like, it makes it, I don't know if it's because it's sort of like reintroducing the mental environment that you were in when you were in like the your worst state i don't know if you can relate to this at all uh nick either with like having filmed other shows but it's like it brings up like all of your worst deepest and you have to actively fight against that while also trying to accomplish whatever you're trying to accomplish on the show. Interesting.
It's really weird.

I don't even know how to describe it. How we're working with other Bachelor people, obviously Gabby did very well.

Wells went home right away.

But I also feel like Bachelor people historically do very well on these shows, even though people

often don't expect them to.

Yeah, they do well because they're great faithfuls.

They're just really great faithfuls.

We haven't, well, wait, Ari became a traitor way, way, way late in the game.

Yeah, season one.

And then he quit because of it. Yeah.
Like he literally couldn't go through the like emotional torture of trying to cut someone's throat. So he just quit.
No, like Bachelor people are so afraid of being like the villain or looking like the bad guys. So like the idea of a traitor and having to kill someone is just like, it gives them the heebie jeebies.
It's just like, it's. Yeah.
Like he was, he literally was just like, Oh, now I will have to fight for my life and try to cut your throat. And I'm good.
It's been a good time. You guys I'm out.
And he walked away from the fire. Like it was crazy, but yeah, people from bachelor make great face bowls because they don't really have like the gamer mentality.

They're like,

but they're good.

They're good on camera.

They're good at like forming connections and,

and making it kind of fun and having fun with it.

But when it comes to like the actual game,

they're not seen as threatening because they're not just like super game literate if you will so you're not a threat i'm not a threat there you go i hope i get a chance actually you were rumored to be on that season like i had read spoilers that you were going to be there that's what i've heard i think uh i think i'm rumored to be on every season and i get on one season i guess i don't know maybe because we cover it or something i don't know. I hope someday I get the chance.
I hope someday my schedule allows it. It looks like a lot of fun.
Does it? You didn't have fun? You didn't have fun? You always have fun in retrospect. You get home and you're like, oh, look, I'm on a helicopter.
Whee, that's so fun. But when you're actually doing it, it's horrible.
You're away from home for a month. You don't have any contact with your family.
You're in this like paralytic anxiety state at all times. All the obtrusive thoughts, like it's, yeah, it's difficult.
Like you work for the money. I'll tell you that much.
Like it's work on your mind, body, and soul. But then there's always the retrospective where you're like,

aw, that was great.

I loved that person.

That was so fun.

I'd like to go back for a day.

You feel that way about anything that you film,

but it's always miserable when you're filming.

Okay.

Well, Brittany,

thank you very much for taking the time

and giving us that insight.

Do you think maybe any more big brother,

all-stars?

Are you looking for more?

Who knows?

Who knows?

I don't know.

I would take a call.

I don't know. I would take a call.
I would never do Big Brother again in its traditional three-month-long format because it's just not conducive to my family anymore. It's a little harmless Christmas-themed spinoff, What Could Go Wrong? Okay.
What Could Go Wrong? Maybe someday, you know, what, Traders is three seasons now? Do you think they'll have a traders all-stars i don't know i mean i've definitely heard people say that they suspect that they will who knows it's not in any of our hands so we can we can put it out there but it's up to the powers that be at peacock to agree well it's very very it's a very popular show right now so you know when they make money they look to make more so who knows britney thanks so much for taking the time we appreciate you uh where can people follow you plug away tell them all the follow me on uh britney underscore haynes is my instagram and i have traders recaps on my patreon account and you can find the link there in my bio and i'm going to start covering my og aired in 2010 big brother 12 season on my patreon account all about the nostalgia all right well check it out britney appreciate your time thank you so much thank you all right bye bye she made a good point about like it's almost as if danielle had way to win at that point unless I mean Brittany was her I guess only option it makes sense I could listen people to people talk about gameplay for hours it's so interesting it's so interesting strategy and I mean I don't agree with her if I was the four faithfuls I'd have been like we have to stay or else one of you guys is getting crucified because like she was saying that they should do what trish on ct do where she was like why wouldn't you just like take the money and vote someone out but mj got played in that and i'm like no i would do the opposite well that's that's maybe the thing is just like the the alliances weren't as strong as ct and trishow yeah like they obviously had been friends from their time on the challenge together and it seemed like gab Gabby and Dylan were maybe the closest line to that point. But that was after a whole season of Dylan going after Gabby, as he mentioned to us, and his Going Deeper episode.
You really have to have someone that you're going to be like, are we going to fuck these other people over? You kind of have to know. CT and Trishel kind of knew, hey, we're going to screw over mj i agree with britney though on the iver thing like seems like a nice guy but he's a royal he's not there for the money get him out like split split them split the money between the workers but in the moment without being able to talk to any of your peers are you really gonna like actually do that and assume that everyone else is aligned with you because no one really was was.
I mean, actually, we don't really need to work. I mean, it takes one red flame.
It only takes one red flame. And then you can be like, this guy doesn't need the fucking money.
He's rich. He's rich.
Yeah. That's why you have to be Dolores and go in there and just like, tell me right now and I'll fucking kill you.
Like, just tell me, are you gonna vote me out? I was like, to Dylan's point too. And he was like, it's not worth ending a friendship or screwing over a friend for 10,000 extra dollars like speak for yourself I'd sell all of you out for 10,000 dollars good to know Mary good to know well breaking news the second season of Secret Lives and Mormon Wives will launch on May 15th on Hulu just announced so it's not on ABC no so it did not take the Bachelorette airing time, so that rumor is debunked.
Yeah. Well, like we said, we have Emmy and Will with us tomorrow for a very juicy episode of Going Deeper to talk all about the Summer Hospitality reunion, why Will wasn't there, what's going on with their relationship, all that drama, and so much more will be tomorrow.
Do we comfortable we left off summer house i mean we didn't we didn't talk about how sierra laughed at west's joke and he was like i feel better now that's a very me thing to feel better about i really related to west in that moment because it was when kyle was like i mean anybody can invest 25 000 into the company and west's like i don't have that money right now. And Sierra was like Sierra was like that's kind of funny actually.

It was just self-deprecating enough of Wes for her to be comfortable enough to laugh about it.

Oh it takes. I could

see the cause in Wes. Like he's so poor.
Ha I feel

better about myself. And Wes was like

yes she likes me.

And then Kyle was more offended by

Paige calling him the dictator of the dinner

table instead of Two-Face.

He was like call me that one more time and she's like dictator of the dinner table i don't know i i don't agree with like how kyle handled it per se but clearly kyle feels on an island he feels alone and not saying who's right or wrong but like i don't know like if you're married and, you know, Kyle has had his transitions against Amanda well documented the things he said and shouldn't say towards his wife. But you shouldn't have to like fight with your partner, your spouse about like having each other's back and feeling like your partner has your back.
And I don't know how Kyle and Amanda got to the point in which they got into. But clearly, Kyle feels like he is on an island as it relates to his business.
And while I don't agree with how things might be handled, if there are rumors being spread about him and his business that are coming from Craig, and these rumors are negatively affecting his business, I would feel a certain way about it. There aren't rumors that are...
Craig just worked with a different company. No, but I don't know.
Wasn't Kyle saying about... Kyle's upset with Hannah for saying that he got her fired.
Sure, but everything that's going on between Hannah and Craig and all the things that Kyle's mad about. Yeah, but in Amanda's defense, I'm like, Amanda had Kyle's back when it came to Hannah and that ruined a friendship with her.
They're like, cannot even be in the same room. Did Kyle get Hannah fired? That, I don't know.
They said it was disproven in this episode. Yeah, I'm like, if you watch this season, I was like, Hannah didn't do herself any favors while being on the show.
I don't know why Hannah got fired. She just wasn't asked back for the following season.
What she's saying that Kyle did was that Kyle got mad because she did an ad for Truly and that he went to production to get her fired. Amanda says that that's not true.
I don't think Hannah was getting along with a lot of the cast members. That seems unlikely.
I think the history, when I look it up, it looks like the reason people think Kyle got her fired is because she implied that Kyle was was the reason she didn't get us back yeah so i mean we don't know the fact that there is not one different label of alcohol anywhere in that house on camera shows that kyle definitely has an upper hand than most of these people like us they have production laying out his company and will not allow any competition around i mean if you're kyle for that right What if you have a lover boy allergy Would you just not be able to go on Summer House Lindsay did have the champagne But they did not show That brand They didn't show what the fuck it was She just said I have an unalcoholic champagne in there And Carl's drinking non-alcoholic lover boys When they're cheersing I'm just. I'm just saying that I'm like, I do feel like, unfortunately, Kyle's in the wrong here because it's like your issue is with Craig.
Your issue is with Hannah. And instead of reaching out to those two people, you're now putting one of Amanda's best friends in a tough spot to where it's either have Kyle's back and fight with your friends or be on my side.
But like. Yeah, I don't get what Paige is supposed to do.
do exactly it's not not page responsibility that's why it's just more like and and the fight was between like kyle and page i get that but i'm just saying like kyle shouldn't feel like he's on an island he's that's just what happens when you have the dj table yeah and i'm like amanda's gonna have her girlfriends back where it's like she even thinks she even said this man is off his rocker. Like you're yelling at Paige about something two people did that it's none of Paige's responsibility.
So now you're just putting me in an awkward position with my friend. Like rage texting someone is crazy.
Wow. Or rage text the right person that you're mad at.
This poor girl's waking up being like, what the fuck? What did I do to you? Where's my name in any of this? Even if Craig's on Do Not Disturb, you can push through.

One other thing, though, I will say, though, it's just it's tough in adult relationships, especially when money or business or like adult topics sometimes get intertwined with friendships. Sometimes you have to pick sides.
And it's really tough to play both sides or maintain friendships with two opposing sides who are in conflict with each other. Eventually you just are forced to pick a side, you know? And while I don't agree with Kyle and how he went after Paige, I guess I can see a situation where Kyle's married to Amanda.
Amanda and Paige are best friends. There's, you know, Paige is with hannah who like very much kyle and hannah don't get along and every once in a while hannah's on their very popular show talking her shit and then page's ex-boyfriend or then boyfriend is like i just i could see why things get like a little like convoluted and every once in a while you know here is k is Kyle hanging around Paige, who recently was just hanging around Hannah, who recently said some shit about his business.
I'm just saying eventually, it's just really hard to constantly be Switzerland. And sometimes you need to take a stand.
And sometimes friends involved are just like, get pissed being like, why do you hang out with that piece of shit? Or why you fuck with that person and blah blah blah not not agreeing with anything but i just like it's really hard to be switzerland over and over and then like maintain this level of like you know page is acting like a martyr for like trying to play both sides but it's it's also like and i get it for her standpoint she wants to be friends with everyone but i'm just saying eventually that clock ticks and eventually someone comes and says hey you can't be swincerling anymore i need you to pick a side and all i'm saying is i kind of get that i'm just like at the end of the day i'm like page is gonna choose hannah over kyle any day sure though i'm like and at the end of the day those are both her co-workers kyle is a co-worker hannah is her co-worker she may pick hannah 10 times out of 10 i'm just saying if well i don't agree with how kyle's handle it i'm just i can get what's coming i can get why eventually he's just like i don't give like fine you're you're not on my fucking side you know there's a lot of times where nally and i will have conversations with people we hang out with or acquaintances of ours with people at times we've like referred to his friends and every once in a while i'll say to n Natalie or she'll say to me, these people aren't our friends.

You know, and you really,

as you get in adulthood,

like you need to know

who your friends are

and you need to know,

like who has your back

and you need to know

who's talking shit

when you're not around

and who is defending you

if shit gets talked

behind your back

when you're not there.

And that's good to know

who those people are.

And, you know,

I just eventually,

it gets to a point where you're just like, I don't want to fuck with people who I know don't have our back. And I kind of get it.
Period. Anyways, that will do it for us this episode tomorrow.
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