E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names

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Speaker 1 What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I am your host, Nick.

Speaker 1 And is it next Monday or is it this Monday when talking about next week?

Speaker 2 It's next Monday. Yeah, you're talking about next week.
So next Monday.

Speaker 1 March 10th. So you're saying March 10th.

Speaker 3 This coming Monday.

Speaker 1 This coming. This upcoming.

Speaker 4 This next Monday.

Speaker 2 It's the next Monday that's coming up.

Speaker 1 So you need the next Monday. That Monday and March 10th.
But at what point in the week, like on Saturday, are you saying next Monday? No, you're saying Monday.

Speaker 1 Monday. So at what point do you need a next or a...

Speaker 2 Because we're in this week.

Speaker 1 Saturday is this week.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but we're in like the like the middle.

Speaker 1 No, the middle of the week.

Speaker 4 What's the it's the next week. It's not this current week, so it would be next Monday.
But it also could be this Monday because it's this coming Monday.

Speaker 1 So really anyway, but at what point are you?

Speaker 4 I like to pick and choose.

Speaker 1 Like if I just said today, today is Wednesday?

Speaker 2 If I told you a story about something that happened on Monday, on Monday, on Wednesday, I would say this past Monday, this Monday, I went to Dead.

Speaker 1 No, no, no, no, no, no. You said which one? This past or this? Which one?

Speaker 2 This Monday.

Speaker 1 Wrong. This Monday implies the next Monday.

Speaker 2 I have to read y'all a DM that I got.

Speaker 5 Was it on your Instagram story?

Speaker 6 When was it? Was it this Monday or last Monday?

Speaker 1 Yeah, when did you, yeah, was it, was it Tuesday? Was it last Tuesday? Was it yesterday? It was yesterday.

Speaker 2 Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And on Thursday, will it be

Speaker 1 past Tuesday? Okay, should I?

Speaker 4 This is why people struggle to learn English, and I understand.

Speaker 1 Clearly, this is a great debate.

Speaker 2 So I posted a mirror picture of my outfit. Very boring, very basic, very typical, like throw it on the story type of post.
And I received a DM from this woman, and she says,

Speaker 1 This might be one of my faves. Natalie, from time to time, gets an occasional DM from a fan.
This one might be one of my faves.

Speaker 2 Sorry, I have to unfollow you. The fact that you post only things about yourself is not for me.
Oh, I know a lot of your followers want to know what's going on in your life.

Speaker 1 I don't care.

Speaker 1 However,

Speaker 2 I do care what you end doors.

Speaker 2 Endoors. E-N-D

Speaker 2 D-O-O-R-S.

Speaker 4 Indoors.

Speaker 2 Are the doors in the room with us? I'm not sure. And

Speaker 2 your beliefs. Just a little too much self-centered post for me.

Speaker 3 Happy life to you.

Speaker 2 Oh, at least she wished you a happy life.

Speaker 1 And then she did in fact unfollow. It was.

Speaker 1 You know, she wished her well.

Speaker 6 What are you supposed to post on your Instagram?

Speaker 4 What do you typically indoors?

Speaker 2 I don't feel like I, she cares about what, like, the shirt I end doors and like pants I end doors. But if it's me, she's not interested.

Speaker 4 Oh, she doesn't doesn't care about who's in the pants.

Speaker 1 No, can't.

Speaker 2 Did you not tag your outfit?

Speaker 1 Is that why?

Speaker 2 I didn't.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 2 it's so clear. Now you're not doing this for the greater go.

Speaker 1 How dare you? As someone who's a notoriously bad speller, I know the state of mind that she was in when she sent that. And it was a rush.
It was a panic. It was a bit of a rage.

Speaker 2 It was like, I got to get, I got to tell her I'm unfollowing her

Speaker 1 immediately. She did not have time to think it through or proofread.
It was like in a, like, she's, she really needed to get it out.

Speaker 4 No, she sent end doors with confidence yeah yeah we've all I mean we have not all been there of like randomly DMing someone we don't know to tell them we're unfollowing them but we have all been on the other side of a like I did have to unsend like three different things from our group chat yesterday because I kept like mislinking and misspelling things you know I mean, I guess.

Speaker 2 I just feel like if you're going to send someone kind of like not a nice message being like, hey, what you post isn't for me. I'm out of here.
Maybe like spell things right. Yeah.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 But you're like pointing across.

Speaker 4 If you're going to hate in technicolor, yeah, get the, get the specs correct.

Speaker 2 Exactly. I just love the need to tell you as to why versus just doing.
I know. One of my favorite quotes is like, this is an airport.
You don't need to announce your departure.

Speaker 1 Do you endorse nipple cream?

Speaker 2 I do, actually. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I do.

Speaker 2 Kylie Jenner and Carrie Kuhn. are agreeing that you should be using nipple cream on your lips.

Speaker 1 What does nipple cream do? Yes.

Speaker 2 Nipple cream is like when

Speaker 2 Nipple cream is what you use when you're breastfeeding because they're like cracked and hurting and burning.

Speaker 1 Like my lips. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Some would say like your lips. So

Speaker 2 there's

Speaker 2 a nipple cream on. You don't have to put as much

Speaker 1 chapstick on.

Speaker 2 If your lips are chapped, they're not burning.

Speaker 1 Sure. Yeah.
Okay.

Speaker 1 I don't want to give people any ideas. Anyways, we have a great episode for you today.
Your current ideas.

Speaker 2 What ideas would they get from that?

Speaker 1 Like, you have herpes or something?

Speaker 1 Like, I don't know what else would cause a deep burn in your lips.

Speaker 2 Well, when they're chopped, they do burn.

Speaker 1 Sunburn. Hot sauce.
They're red and burning.

Speaker 1 Yes, hot sauce.

Speaker 4 Hot sauce. You just went on an episode of hot ones.
Pineapples. You're going through it.
You need a little nipple cream.

Speaker 1 Wait, pineapples make your lip burn? I mean, I guess if you have a crack in your lip.

Speaker 4 For sure. Citric acid.

Speaker 1 You bit your lip accidentally.

Speaker 1 Well, we have a very fantastic episode for you. Your current bachelor, Grant Ellis, returns to the show to give us an update on his life, his journey in love, and everything that's going on with

Speaker 1 The Bachelor. So that should be exciting to hear from Grant.
Also, we have a very special interview before Grant shows up. Ingrid Andres is with us.

Speaker 1 You probably know her from her amazing music and songwriting, but also you may have heard of her

Speaker 1 national anthem experience during the MLB All-Star game that did not go her way.

Speaker 1 She famously now was inebriated and under the influence, and it was, you know, by her own admission, a terrible performance.

Speaker 1 And she checked into rehab after that to try to fix whatever problem she had. But she is with us talking about that experience for the very first time.
Very excited to talk to Ingrid.

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Finale. It's going to be a good one.

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Speaker 1 Are you fing kidding me?

Speaker 1 I'm losing my mind.

Speaker 2 Would you be pissed if you told your best friend the name for our next baby and then they used it?

Speaker 1 Livid.

Speaker 2 You would be livid.

Speaker 1 Especially our boy name

Speaker 1 no i would definitely be a little upset but i think also it's like we'll just have two of the same names like who cares like i confided in your best friend a friend a co-worker anyone and they were like oh that's cool and then you found out that they stole it you have to assume that the that baby comes first right so you wouldn't this would be a pregnant friend

Speaker 1 or a friend that has a spouse that's pregnant or something so you're clearly telling them in confidence are you not like and you're telling them with the assumption that they're not going to use it because they're pregnant.

Speaker 1 You're like, do you have a baby name? And you're like, oh my God, yes.

Speaker 1 And you're like, oh, my God.

Speaker 1 And they're like,

Speaker 1 and then you find out they take it.

Speaker 2 That's a vibe. Would you cut them off?

Speaker 1 Yeah. You would no longer be friends with them.

Speaker 1 It would change the relationship.

Speaker 2 This is stemming from a mom says her best friend stole her baby name and she wants to know if she should cut her off.

Speaker 2 She said the woman was getting her hair done by her best friend, who's her stylist, and they were discussing her baby name picks as the friend was struggling to find a name.

Speaker 2 The woman brought up that her pick was Evelyn May. Fast forward to the friend giving birth.
And the friend took Evelyn and also May.

Speaker 1 See, even middle.

Speaker 3 Also, May.

Speaker 4 The hyphen is what really gets me.

Speaker 2 I don't know if it's hyphen. I think it is first, middle.
First, middle. Yeah.
Either way.

Speaker 4 That's not just one. That is, that is.

Speaker 2 That's two.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That's still.
Yeah. Because our boy name, we got the first and the second.
Oh, first and middle.

Speaker 1 Whatever.

Speaker 2 But it's like, I

Speaker 2 have always loved the name scarlet and the name charlotte i'd loved the name scarlet when i was like 10 years old like shouldn't have been naming kids and then my sister had a baby named scarlet and then my cousin had a baby named charlotte and i was like oh my god people seriously and my sister was like listen name your kid scarlet name your kid scarlet completely different do you think the men should get I'm not asking you.

Speaker 2 Do you think the men should get as much say in the baby's name? Because they get last name.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And you carry and birth and do everything for the baby. You breastfeed, you go through postpartum.
Do you think your names trump dad's names?

Speaker 1 I think so.

Speaker 2 It just depends.

Speaker 2 I feel like you obviously have to be on the same page, but like if you happen to walk out and the nurse comes in with the birth certificate and I gave them the name that I like the best, what are we going to do about it?

Speaker 1 You weren't there. You weren't there.

Speaker 1 Period. You weren't too toxic.
Whatever.

Speaker 2 I'm also like, is it, is it kind of your fault for talking to a pregnant person about your number one baby name?

Speaker 1 Like, that's kind of like kissing death.

Speaker 4 It's your best friend. That's a circle of trust.

Speaker 2 I hope she said you can't tell anyone or like promise you can't use it.

Speaker 1 Or are we workshopping?

Speaker 2 Or like, did she ask her to sign an NDA?

Speaker 1 If you went to a friend's house or something, I don't know. And you, I don't know, had a envelope full of cash and you left it there.

Speaker 1 And for some reason, I don't know, and they, and you said, can you watch this or whatever? And then instead, they went to the casino and spent it. I mean, I guess you can blame that.

Speaker 1 You can be like, Oh, well, I guess I shouldn't have left an envelope of cash. They spent it, but like, that would probably change the relationship, would it not?

Speaker 1 Would you like maybe think of them differently?

Speaker 2 They would definitely be like a thief for sure.

Speaker 1 And this person, Evelyn May,

Speaker 1 her mom, is a thief. She stole a name.
Thief of joy.

Speaker 4 It'd be one thing if you just took the middle name, but the first or maybe just the first name, like Evelyn, common name, whatever. You could like, you could scoot your way around it.

Speaker 4 But first and middle is pretty red handy.

Speaker 1 Middle names are fair game. You don't get dibs on any type of middle names.
If she only took May, if she was like Mary May or Eve May, no fucking problem. But Evelyn May, she took the whole thing.

Speaker 1 Canceled.

Speaker 5 This is why you keep the names in the notes out.

Speaker 1 That's what I'm saying. Don't let them leave there.

Speaker 1 Exactly.

Speaker 1 No, I see.

Speaker 1 I think you should be able to share it with the understanding that, like, so especially if you ask, if you ask, oh, what are you thinking about for names like oh do you have even any names picked out you're being fucking nosy by all means be nosy but that is you basically saying you can trust me there's an implication there that like hey listen just want to i'm just asking i'm being friendly but if you didn't take that name and give it away tell other friends same thing go if if i tell you the baby name and then i find out your other pregnant friend that i'm not even friends with stole that name

Speaker 5 absolutely fucking canceled well that's the thing if it's not your best friend it's the person eavesdropping your conversation right next to you.

Speaker 1 But you don't know them. You don't know them.

Speaker 4 Your babies aren't going to interact and have to like fight because they have the same name.

Speaker 5 But they might be in kindergarten together and now they're going to fight over having the same name.

Speaker 1 It's really, it's not even about the same name because I do think like when we, when River was born, like when we came up with the name, we thought, like, oh, we really like this name.

Speaker 1 And it felt a little unique and yada, yada, yada. And then like she was born and then we realized that like it's the most popular name of the year.

Speaker 2 It's like when you start like hooking up with a guy who drives like a white truck and then you start seeing a white truck everywhere, you know, and you're like, oh my God, there he is. There he is.

Speaker 2 Oh my God, he's at Walmart. Oh my god, he's at McDonald's.
And then it's just a white truck. And this is like, yeah, we saw, we saw River everywhere.

Speaker 1 I am kind of glad, though, because like when she goes to school, it gives you character to like have to share a name. It's just like, it's the principle of your friend taking the.
both names.

Speaker 4 Yeah, that actually happened in an episode of Sex in the City. Samantha absolutely read someone to filth because someone took Charlotte's baby's name.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I remember that.

Speaker 2 Well, Gabby Wendy married Robbie Hoffman.

Speaker 2 Exciting. They did it in a $799 Las Vegas wedding.

Speaker 2 It looked like it was just the two of them. And I guess a priest and I guess a photographer.

Speaker 4 That's how you do it. A priest?

Speaker 2 Maybe Elvis. I don't know.
I didn't see.

Speaker 1 Guessing a priest didn't marry them, but I guess. In Vegas?

Speaker 2 You don't think it'd be someone like dressed up like a priest?

Speaker 1 When you say priest, I think Catholic priest. Like if you say like presider.

Speaker 2 Why would I say presider?

Speaker 1 Because that's what it is. I don't know.
Like preside over the wedding, isn't it? Like, officiant. Oh, officiant.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah. I just love it when a hot couple gets married.
I'm really happy for them.

Speaker 2 Yeah. That's very $799.

Speaker 2 I feel like with Gabby looking the way she did, aka stunning in an amazing dress. I feel like I looked for that dress for my welcome party.
So glad she found it.

Speaker 2 I've very own brand for Gabby Wendy. Yeah.
Did you know? To like look so stunning and be like, it was $799.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 Natalie, similar to the baby name stealing, stealing, what would you do if somebody stole your dress?

Speaker 6 Like if you showed your friend and you were like, this is my dress, and then all of a sudden they have the dress.

Speaker 1 Well, first of all, Natalie would only get her dress from the great ladies at sync. Very true.
And they are very original, very clear. But I will say,

Speaker 1 that's not true.

Speaker 2 They have dresses that they're not all custom. You can make a custom if you want to like pay for it, but they have a lot of dresses that like everyone else wears.

Speaker 2 And I remember I definitely would get like mad at them, like play mad, but also like, if you bitches don't lock it the fuck up, because they would be like posting my dress on their Instagram being like, oh, the gale is like so beautiful and this and that.

Speaker 2 And I would be like, stop it. You're showing people my dress.
And it was like, I was the only one who knew that it was my dress, but I definitely would get mad at them for sharing it.

Speaker 2 So, but I would be just as pissed, I think.

Speaker 1 I did not realize that Adrian Brody's girlfriend, wife, is it girlfriend wife still don't know? Girlfriend, girlfriend. It's gotta be girlfriend.
Is it a girlfriend though? It's confirmed girlfriend.

Speaker 1 They're not married. Not married because her ex-husband was Harvey Weinstein.

Speaker 2 Are they even still officially exes? Well, has he signed divorce papers in prison?

Speaker 1 I don't know, but

Speaker 4 I think so.

Speaker 1 The kids he referenced on his speech are Harvey Weinstein. Harvey's kids.

Speaker 4 The kids didn't do nothing.

Speaker 4 I just feel like we should make that clear.

Speaker 1 Or her. Or her.
From jail?

Speaker 4 They were. Apparently,

Speaker 4 Adrian Brody and his girlfriend did allegedly get together when she she was still married to Harvey Weinstein, but I don't imagine she was happy.

Speaker 2 And I don't feel bad for Harvey Weinstein's.

Speaker 1 No, me, I don't either.

Speaker 4 No. Yeah, I don't think of Harvey Winston.

Speaker 1 No, the way that this headline starts

Speaker 6 is disgraced film logo and convicted rapist Harvey Weinstein Adrian Brody mentioning his children with ex-wife.

Speaker 4 I hope

Speaker 4 it brings him great distress.

Speaker 2 But he did have a response to Adrian Brody's Oscar speech in mentioning his children.

Speaker 1 What do you say?

Speaker 6 So Weinstein's rep told the Post on Monday, Harvey's happy for Georgina and grateful that his kids are being loved and cared for as they deserve to be.

Speaker 3 He didn't say that.

Speaker 1 He definitely didn't say that. He did not say that.

Speaker 2 His publicist said that. He said, fuck that and fuck them.

Speaker 2 Imagine what's a worse job than okay.

Speaker 4 Okay,

Speaker 1 Harvey Weinstein's publicist.

Speaker 4 What is a worse job than that?

Speaker 1 No one's making him do it.

Speaker 1 That's true. There's plenty of worse jobs.

Speaker 2 They could quit.

Speaker 1 They could quit. They could quit.
They don't have to do it. No one's making them do it.
And like, I don't know, it keeps them busy. Maybe they find it fun.
You're getting paid. How do I spin this?

Speaker 2 Yeah. Did you see Millie Bobby Brown shut the fuck up? They're really proud of her.

Speaker 2 Did you see Millie Bobby Brown shut all of these journalists up?

Speaker 1 She named names.

Speaker 1 She named names.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 Matt Lucas, we think he's in a position to talk about anyone's appearance. Have you seen this man?

Speaker 4 Well, what he was saying in his apology is that he didn't mean for he posted a quote of like a character from a sketch that he did that she kind of looked like and then he didn't mean it he said he didn't mean it as a joke oh

Speaker 2 he didn't mean it as like an insult to her appearance what's going on here this is the man who she one of the one of the men who she called out millie bobby brown oh for commenting about her appearance this is oh my god people are saying that millie bobby brown since she's dyed her hair blonde and whatnot that she's got that she's aged herself and is like having this mommy makeover even though she's what 23 25 it's 21 it's honestly the

Speaker 2 comments she's been getting are so bad. They're like really, really mean comments.
And it's crazy because I saw these two, it was like back to back.

Speaker 2 So it was Millie Bobby Brown, and then it was Pamela Anderson, who's like gone very natural. She doesn't wear makeup on the red carpet anymore.

Speaker 2 Into Pamela Anderson, they're all saying, Oh my god, like you've got to put on makeup. Like this is, you like are aging yourself.
You look so old. This is this.
Like it's ugly.

Speaker 2 Millie Bobby Brown, it's like, she's doing too much. She looks too old.
You know, just like the hypocrisy of that.

Speaker 2 But Millie Bobby Brown posted a Instagram video saying she wanted to take a moment to address something that I think is bigger than just me, something that affects every young woman who grows up under public scrutiny.

Speaker 2 I started in this industry when I was 10 years old. I grew up in front of the world, and for some reason, people can't seem to grow with me.

Speaker 2 The fact that adult writers are spending their time dissecting my face, my body, my choices, it's disturbing. Disillusioned people can't handle seeing a girl become a woman on her terms, not theirs.

Speaker 2 I refuse to apologize for growing up. I refuse to make myself smaller to fit the unrealistic expectations of people who can't handle seeing a girl become a woman.

Speaker 2 And then she basically calls out every, not everybody, a few.

Speaker 1 Read the headlines that they wrote. And then the person who wrote it was

Speaker 2 and she was disgusted because it was a majority of them were women. Writing these articles with disgusting titles.
It's gross.

Speaker 2 It also reminds me kind of of Britney Spears growing up, where it was just like the second that it was like a midriff or whatever. She's 16, she's 18, she's 22.

Speaker 2 It's like, it does not matter how old she got. Everyone was criticizing, you're too sexy, sexy, you're too this.

Speaker 2 And it's like, why can't anybody, like, why can't a woman that you've seen since she was a child, why is everyone else allowed to grow up, but they're not? Yeah.

Speaker 2 And like, why are we allowed to comment on like how we think that they should be presenting themselves to the world? You're following it.

Speaker 1 So like, I mean, just be a consumer. Just remember, fan is short for fanatic.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And at the end of the day, fans, like the most hardcore fans feel sometimes a sense of entitlement of like, I've supported you and therefore you owe me.

Speaker 2 Like, I'm allowed to stunt your growth as a person. Like, that's wild.

Speaker 1 I don't think there's a lot of thought.

Speaker 1 you know there's not an objective thought miss is indoors you know like i don't think she's sitting there and thinking does this make sense should i be doing this he just decided that like she has something to say she wanted to say it and and natalie was her subject and it's like but it is crazy that matt lucas's response is i would not have posted it if i had thought it would have upset you but i realize it has and for that i apologize it's like really

Speaker 2 you wouldn't have posted that if you thought it would upset her you didn't think like a mean comment about her body and about her would upset her?

Speaker 1 Yeah, you kind of just have to own it, right? I mean,

Speaker 3 like,

Speaker 2 I fucked up. I thought it was funny.
Definitely not funny. My bad.
I apologize.

Speaker 5 He also said for that, I apologize, which means he's not apologizing for like what he did. He's apologizing for her being upset with what he did.

Speaker 1 So that's where it's like. To some degree, it's like, you know, like we would give commentary on the, on the show.
I'm assuming at times we say things that.

Speaker 1 offend people or rub people the wrong way but like to that end we do have to like own it it's like it's one thing to say it and be like, oh my god, I didn't realize that would hurt your feelings or upset you.

Speaker 1 It's like sometimes you have to say, I'm sorry that upset you. That necessarily wasn't my intention, but you kind of have to own it in a way.

Speaker 1 Like this guy, it's just like, just fucking own that you said it and apologize for hurting her. But like, yeah, it's, I mean, say it with your chest.
It is wild

Speaker 1 that he thinks he's in a position. I mean, that's the thing.
It's just the

Speaker 1 like just comment on someone's look. No, it's crazy.
And like not look in the mirror.

Speaker 2 To think that you're in a position to come after a 21 year old woman's looks and it's him is

Speaker 1 someone who has like been in the limelight since they were 10 you know i mean

Speaker 1 crazy can only imagine what the like internal mental struggle might be for millie bobby brown to like decide what she wants her look to be you know in the intern you know like because she's having has all these voices of god i mean this is this is probably a one like one percent of all the trash that has been written about her are comments like these are these are these are headlines like for like i mean imagine what her dms look like or comments on on instagram it's uh atrocious i'm sure people love to troll millie bobby brown too yeah ever since she was little like when she was a kid like even like just from my perspective as a queer person like people love to throw around like oh millie bobby brown is homophobic she hit me with her car and it's like she did none of that she did none of that i just love to like it just more specifically yeah it just like became a joke who knows out of just the internet loves to troll her and that's what's unfortunate for her it was just like someone was like joking and lying one time and then like on the internet and then it caught on and became like a thing.

Speaker 4 And it's just, yeah, you would think that like with how many child stars have come and gone and like experienced so much trauma and had their lives ruined that people would be a bit more careful nowadays.

Speaker 4 But it's just the way the world is.

Speaker 1 Are these British headlines? Because that's a mix. They are notoriously cruel to their celebrities.
Yeah. It's the humor or lack thereof.

Speaker 4 Two more with a you.

Speaker 1 Monica Garcia is pregnant. Congratulations, Monica.
She posted a very beautiful little spread with People magazine celebrating her pregnancy.

Speaker 1 Is this the same guy that she was talking about when she was with us and talked about her then pregnancy, which sadly she lost that pregnancy? And so congratulations to her and her rainbow baby.

Speaker 1 I learned what that was, sadly, when Natalie and I experienced miscarriage, but very beautiful that Monica and her partner are now expecting a child. So congratulations to her.

Speaker 1 I DM'd her. I haven't heard back from her.
I gotta find her number.

Speaker 5 She's busy responding to all the comments.

Speaker 5 She's really supportive to her fan base.

Speaker 1 I love it. Oh,

Speaker 1 that's sweet. Did you respond to my comment? Did you comment? I did.
I say, congratulations.

Speaker 6 Oh, yeah. Maybe you need a comment.

Speaker 1 Should comment. Like, congratulations.
Check your DM.

Speaker 1 One of those. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Jax Taylor.

Speaker 1 Jax Taylor is in the news again.

Speaker 1 And what is not shocking news? Telling Page 6 that he has had a cocaine addiction. Cocaine? Cocaine.
Cocaine. For what, 10 years, he said?

Speaker 5 He said on and off since I was 23 and I'm 45.

Speaker 2 I mean, I was great of him that he's able to come out and admit that. I'm sure that was very hard for him to do.
I feel for Brittany.

Speaker 2 I feel like she is finally able to kind of like speak more honestly about their relationship. I'm sure she was like protecting this for him.

Speaker 2 So she actually did come out and say, I'm glad that he finally admitted to what was really going on.

Speaker 2 For the first time, I can speak openly about the extent of trauma he's instilled on our family over the years. I've tried desperately to help him without success.

Speaker 2 I pray that one day he completely knocks this addiction, but I'm skeptical. His behaviors are still alarming and his treatment plan seems to be the bare minimum.

Speaker 2 I'm trying to navigate this as best as I can for my son and I, but every day is still a challenge and very difficult.

Speaker 2 Jax has caused an enormous amount of damage and I have very little trust in him at this point. My only hope is that one day he will be a better person for his son.

Speaker 1 I mean, it sounds like a monster. And also, like, it just did the time.
When do we know when the valley comes out?

Speaker 1 Not announced yet.

Speaker 2 It's not announced, but in spring.

Speaker 1 Yes, quote, soon, end quote. It just always feels like self-promotion, you know?

Speaker 5 Who jacks?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 I mean, happy for him that he is at a point in his life where he can get sober. I hope it continues, you know.

Speaker 2 I mean, he's admitting in this kind of conversation with Paige Six, he's saying that, like, he

Speaker 2 lost it and went crazy crazy in the car with his son Cruz in the backseat, which is why he went back to rehab. That's when he said, shit, I have a problem.
It's still there.

Speaker 2 And that's after seeing a man's name on Britney's phone that like he had his son in his car and lost it and went crazy in the car. I will say that in Vaynerpump Rules, you can see like

Speaker 2 I think it was Jax's wedding, but there's like a dish on like a counter that like while they're getting ready for the wedding, then it's just kind of like, if you see, you saw it.

Speaker 2 Must have been missed in the editing, but like, yeah, it's just like, it's, it's

Speaker 1 number one guy in the group.

Speaker 4 Infamous pasta situation.

Speaker 1 The amount of people who put Jax Taylor on some sort of pedestal during Scandival just because they hated Tom Sandoval so much.

Speaker 1 And like for a brief moment, everyone was like praising Jax because he decided to ride the hate Tom Sandoval train. That always really just irritated me.
Because it was all bullshit.

Speaker 1 And it was just people just like looking the other way because it was like in vogue to hate on Tom.

Speaker 1 But like why they forgot about all of Jax past transgressions clearly he had never changed there was no evidence that he made any attempt at any type of changes in his life

Speaker 2 and now we are reminded of that well I was like I don't know if you remember but during that period of time Jax obviously wasn't on television so Jax was crusading starting his podcast talking about like fatherhood and like how he's such a changed man and marriage.

Speaker 2 So it was like he was very much promoting himself as a family man while Tom Sandoval. So he felt like he was the authority to speak on it because he knows firsthand who Tom Sandoval was.

Speaker 2 He was the one that was also furthering that narrative. But then clearly, behind closed doors, he was treating his family like shit and doing drugs.
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 He has only shown us that he's a terrible person. There's never been a redeeming moment since he's been on, since he's been in public.
I mean, what is what are his name one redeeming moment?

Speaker 5 He checked himself into rehab.

Speaker 1 I mean, bare minimum.

Speaker 2 I mean, even Britney is like, this isn't enough.

Speaker 1 You're doing the bare minimum.

Speaker 1 Are you guys watching White Lotus?

Speaker 1 Yes. I am, yeah.
Who did it? Who do you think?

Speaker 4 Monkeys.

Speaker 1 I think it's the one. Spoiler alert.

Speaker 4 No, I think it's the monkeys. I think a monkey got a gun, and I think they're trying to kill the monkeys, and I think it's representative of like how they're all animals in there.

Speaker 2 Well, off of yours, then I'm thinking that maybe a monkey went crazy in the gunshots that we heard is them trying to kill the monkey.

Speaker 5 Well, and they're leading us to think that the mom is the one that might have been killed, right? Is one of the people that might have been.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Yeah, the mom, the therapist, the misus, though, who's there for training.

Speaker 5 But it's definitely one of the white guys that had the gun. Yeah.
Like, it has to be one of the guys.

Speaker 2 It's Tanya's ex.

Speaker 1 No, it's definitely not. I know.
It's definitely not Gary. Greg? Greg, Greg.
How's it? They all have the same name. She did think his name was Gary, though, wasn't it?

Speaker 4 He, like, changed his name, right? Or was it always Greg? I think it was always Greg.

Speaker 1 Oh. Maybe.

Speaker 2 I had to sleep during this episode, so y'all are just removing it for me.

Speaker 4 I'm an episode behind, actually.

Speaker 5 I do think we need to do spoiler ratings.

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 2 Oh, we're just just

Speaker 2 speculating.

Speaker 1 We didn't talk about anything last episode. We thought we could do it.
We're literally just speculating who might have done it. Okay.

Speaker 2 I was like, maybe

Speaker 2 one of the housewives. It's like, finally, it's time.

Speaker 1 I actually hate you. I don't think it's any of the old white men.

Speaker 5 Oh, no, it's definitely one of them.

Speaker 5 The creepy one going to Bangkok or the one that has a scam that made him $10 million?

Speaker 1 I definitely don't think it's either of them.

Speaker 4 Walter Goggins is not doing anything wrong.

Speaker 1 He just wants to do it. It's too predictable.

Speaker 5 It is, but they're both hiding too much.

Speaker 2 They're all involved in something, something, something much, much more insane.

Speaker 1 I think they could be the reason maybe something escalates, but I don't think they're the one doing the shooting. Okay, so then it's either the bodyguard or the manager of the home.

Speaker 1 The bodyguards are definitely somehow involved. They definitely whip out their guns for sure.

Speaker 2 Wait, no, I think that Greg did change his name because she calls him by the name that she met.

Speaker 1 Was it Gary? Him.

Speaker 2 And the whole thing is that Tanya,

Speaker 2 Jennifer Coolidge's character, was with that man

Speaker 1 in the last season. That was season one, though.

Speaker 4 That season. Season one.
And then he hired people to kill her in season two.

Speaker 1 I never watched it. Greg's been in every season.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Greg sucks.
He's the number one white lotus op.

Speaker 2 Anyways, moving on. Well, what I did watch is Beverly Hills Housewives.

Speaker 5 We finally got to see the scene of Kathy walking on the runway.

Speaker 2 And it was just as iconic. It was really needed to be.

Speaker 1 She's awesome.

Speaker 2 She's limping, coming out.

Speaker 1 I think I broke my thing. Sutton.
Sutton. Do you want to have Dariet in you?

Speaker 2 You know, as nervous as Sutton was, you know, she was like, get the fuck away from me. Like, no.

Speaker 2 But also, Kathy, you're making amazing television. Like, oh, you're going to, do you want Doreet the person you hate the most to narrate and star in your fashion show?

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. No, go find your seat, Kathy.

Speaker 4 Also, when they're like, her and Kyle are getting mammograms and they're talking about Mo, and she's like, you know, there's a way we could find this house.

Speaker 2 So much. Kyle's like, no, no.
She's like, who has bigger boobs?

Speaker 1 Can you remind me, Sierra, because you've been watching this longer than I have, like, where did the

Speaker 1 like kind of vitriol and hate from Garcell and Sutton start towards Darit? Like, when they had this lunch, right?

Speaker 1 And it seemed like, or dinner or whatever, and it seemed like a very fairly civil lunch between Garcel and Darit. And then at the end, Garcel is like, well, I'm still going to keep one eye open.

Speaker 1 And it was like, one eye open?

Speaker 1 Like, what has Darit done that makes like Sutton and garcel act like dorit is like untrustworthy or like she's up to no good or like she's i mean yeah like she's been a little petty these past couple episodes and and maybe kind of instigated fights with sutton but like you know this all stems from how again

Speaker 2 how sutton and garcel have constantly treated darit i mean there's a part there's a point in time where sutton and garcel both were the new person and to justin's point a couple weeks ago that it was like dorit was a part of the the meme girls the fox four the fox four and like lisarena ruining lives.

Speaker 2 Like she aided in that. So it's like she would always be making comments and things to where it's like people, Dorit's smarter than people give her credit for.
And that's kind of what Sutton says.

Speaker 2 It's very like, you know what you're saying when you say it. And Dorit's like, I didn't realize that that made you feel this way or whatever it is.

Speaker 2 And it's like so many times you can take hit after hit and be like, you didn't realize, like, you didn't realize. So they're just defensive against her because she was a bully.
She was.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 She was a part of the group of the girls that were bullies.

Speaker 1 And now that, like, why doesn't Kyle get that same treatment?

Speaker 2 Because kyle's the star of the show this is the first season i've ever seen where kyle even kind of had a bad edit in the beginning of the season where i'm like i was like oh my god i think bravo turned on her because uh she did that interview with mauricio's show because like you've never seen a bad edit or like somebody bringing up mauricio's cheating allegations that would have been cut from a season and then we had it just like an abrupt well your husband has some infidelity rumors and she was clearly caught off guard being like what are you talking about and they would usually edit that out but they kept it in so that's where I'm like, Kyle, Kyle's getting hers too, but it's just, I understand Garcelle and Sutton not being able to fully trust Dorit.

Speaker 1 Does that make sense? Definitely. I would say season nine or 10.

Speaker 5 I mean, I think Doreet's like made her bed and now she's sleeping in it.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And I mean, I think with what's going on in Darit's life, it's like now she's, you know, forming her own personality and her independence outside of PK and the Mean Girls.

Speaker 2 And she's standing on her own, which is really great to see. We've just never really seen an authentic Dorit.
I haven't liked Dorit until this season.

Speaker 5 She's also very long-winded.

Speaker 5 And I think that's what Garcelle and Sutton always return to: is like every time they try to have a conversation, she dances around the point of it and never actually has the conversation. Okay.

Speaker 5 So that's where she says, like, let them not be able to do that.

Speaker 1 That makes sense. Is this more like, well, yeah, like, I get that she was part of this like

Speaker 1 Fox group or whatever, but so is Kyle.

Speaker 2 I will say, nothing brings anyone closer than shit talking. And her and Garcelle being able to talk about Mauricio and Swamin.
They were like, we have problems?

Speaker 2 I don't even remember because let's talk about it. She's at a Morgan Wade concert.

Speaker 1 Also, Garcel is the one that is going to bring up the morgan wade rumors everyone else kind of like tries not to but garcel's like well let's not forget yeah and i really appreciate that i say this every week but like we just get divorced or not get divorced but like the fact that they keep pretending that there might be some reconciliation uh i love the way kathy calls him maurice

Speaker 1 uh

Speaker 1 yeah thousand percent that's what it is thousand percent i just like i don't

Speaker 4 and then it's like kyle taking wife out of her bio. It's like, you guys have been separated.

Speaker 2 He lives in his own condo.

Speaker 1 I actually

Speaker 1 appreciated that scene because I do think as

Speaker 1 trite as it might be, and you know, I know, I think like the shows made it like seem like, why does this have to be such a big decision? But the reality is that like, people do pay attention to that.

Speaker 1 It became a headline. Kyle knows it's a headline.
Kyle knows the super fans pay attention to shit like that. And, you know, that those are decisions that like, you know, I mean, shit.

Speaker 1 I don't mean not like Nellie and I have had to have like conversations like that that seem like, who gives a fuck kind of thing. Like, why do we even care? Should I, should I do this?

Speaker 1 Should I comment this? Should I write this? Should I caption this? Should I do that? Blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 1 And, you know, it was definitely a little bit of a, like, an insider look to, like, you know, actual conversations that like.

Speaker 1 Kyle and all these women kind of have to consider and things that like affect their lives that might seem trivial, but like, yeah, people do talk about them. People do pay attention.

Speaker 1 People do like, you know, going back to the Millie Bobby Brown, like they analyze and break down and speculate and create rumors and yada, yada, yada.

Speaker 1 Like sometimes it's the question is like, you know, like Kyle even said, you know, when talking about this photograph, like she, she even is speculating the authenticity of this photograph.

Speaker 1 Like she doesn't think it's Mo who staged it, but like the paparazzi and, you know, this, I don't, I don't remember the photo, but apparently there's like a heel kick.

Speaker 1 And like, you can usually know like if someone called the paparazzi on themselves. And the biggest takeaway is like, is it a nice picture?

Speaker 1 Or does it look like someone took a picture of you without you realizing? Yeah. You know, and if it's like, if you are in any type of pose or romantic kind of, if you look pretty good,

Speaker 1 you might have called the paparazzi on yourself. Right.
You know, and if you look like you are stuffing your face with a sandwich,

Speaker 1 like you did not. You probably didn't.
Or if you have this kind of like confused look on your face, you know,

Speaker 2 young model. So I'm like, like, I'm not shocked that she could call the paparazzi on that situation.

Speaker 2 It's a plausible situation that could have happened, especially since Sutton was like, I've been to the airport a million times and Jennifer Anderson was there and there was no paparazzi.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I love how they all kept comparing him to Brad Pitt.

Speaker 4 They're like, he's no Brad Pitt.

Speaker 2 It's very everyone can compare him.

Speaker 4 It's very Shania Twain. That don't impress me much.
It was that generation.

Speaker 2 It's like, no matter what, Brad Pitt will always be, him and George Clooney will always be the number one guy.

Speaker 1 Can we go back to? I got a question about White Lotus. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Please.

Speaker 1 Spoiler alert. The three ladies, friends.
They hate each other. How common is that in friend groups?

Speaker 2 Oh my God. It was so funny.
The first time that I was watching the first episode with Connor, and he's, they're, they're talking, being like, oh, my God, you look so good. You look so good.

Speaker 2 And Connor's like, what the fuck is going on here? And I was like, she's asking about what work she's got done. He's like, how the fuck did you get that?

Speaker 2 And the next thing that comes out of her mouth is, so who's your doctor?

Speaker 2 But I was like, yes. It's like, that is unfortunately toxic female friendships.
There's a lot of underlying notes covered in niceness.

Speaker 4 The chills that go up my spine every single time I watch it with my friends and we're just constantly like

Speaker 5 during everyone. When they all talk about each other and then catch each other talking about each other and they're just like, well, we all do it.

Speaker 4 Yeah. They all hate themselves and each other.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 So yes, common.

Speaker 1 Not for me, but common. Have you ever experienced that?

Speaker 2 Oh my God. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You have to choose not to.

Speaker 1 Guys don't do that.

Speaker 2 Well, we know.

Speaker 1 But why do you guys do that? Why do y'all do do that guys love to gossip too

Speaker 2 not like that no nick is bad at i'll be like oh my god you're you like he was just with a friend and it'll be like did you like did you hear like what happened and he'll be like i don't know i didn't ask like we're

Speaker 1 guys talking i mean my so annoying my guy friends we talk shit to each other's faces you know we give each other shit we tease we make fun we give each other a hard time to each other's faces we don't do it behind each other's backs.

Speaker 1 And we definitely don't do it like the way it's portrayed in the show where you have like this group of friends.

Speaker 1 And then, like, as when the group's together and everyone's hanging out, it's all like these pleasantries and these exchanges.

Speaker 1 And when the group divides into individual little groups, like they start talking shit about the person not there. Like, I, I am not familiar with that type of behavior in a group of guy friends.

Speaker 1 You are?

Speaker 5 I mean, I think everybody gossips.

Speaker 1 Like, we all talk about it.

Speaker 1 I think I haven't gossiped, of course, but I'm just saying in a male group dynamic that behavior i don't is not common i'm like is it maybe with the gays is that different i don't know what do you mean i don't know i don't know what the gays do yeah i don't know them i don't know them i wasn't making a sexuality thing i was just like i guys like to gossip too as much as women do i've had some of the biggest gossip sessions with my guy friends it's not it's not just about gossip this is about

Speaker 1 friends treating each other.

Speaker 1 Like, I mean, yeah, sure, I like to gossip as much as the next person, but like about my closest friends, about like my boys, like, you know, well, the thing is that they're not the closest friends, even though they're like best friends, they all live in different places.

Speaker 2 So this is the first time that they're coming together, which means like FaceTimes and like kind of catching up. But like, this is the first time that they're like all together.

Speaker 2 And I've had bigger groups of friends where it's like, not everybody is as close.

Speaker 2 Like you have people that you're closest to and then people that you're like kind of forced to be friends with because this person's friends with them. So they're always coming around.

Speaker 2 But it's like, I don't like them, but I can't, I'm not going to cause an issue with this person because we're all friends.

Speaker 2 So I'm like, and that's why the whole like girlies posting, keeping your circle close and like finding three good friends, like, that's why we get to that point because you go through so much toxic shit with women that I'm like, at their age, it's sad that that's still an occurrence.

Speaker 2 But like, yes, as you grow up and have groups of friends, your circle gets smaller and smaller because of shit like that. And it's all, you can tell, it's like all underlying jealousy.
100%.

Speaker 2 Which is all

Speaker 1 what it is.

Speaker 4 Yeah, they all are jealous of each other for different

Speaker 1 reasons.

Speaker 2 Real good girlfriends are people that are happy for you that support you that like literally lift you up girlfriends like this are the people that are like praying for your downfall being like no you got this girl

Speaker 4 yeah yeah you tell them something that's exciting and they're like oh but what if this happened someone hit her car on her way to that meeting literally you're just like mike white is maybe one of the most like genius writers absolutely it's the guy

Speaker 1 do you think that's why white lotus is so popular because i feel like it's it's a scripted television show written like a reality TV show.

Speaker 1 Like, we obviously know that the family in the show has been inspired by basically Southern Charm and that, you know, entire cast.

Speaker 1 But like, I think that's why a lot of people, like, there's like, that's like the crossover between reality TV and scripted television. And obviously, Mike himself is a reality TV star from Survivor.

Speaker 1 And he seems to also, I bet he's, I wonder what other shows he watches.

Speaker 4 I think the thing about Mike White is like, it's so obvious he is just deeply, deeply interested in like human behavior and how people act and interact with each other, which is what reality TV is.

Speaker 1 When did he, I wonder, like, when did they film this? This season? This past,

Speaker 1 but like the Trump conversation. Obviously, I'm not trying to get into politics here, but like...
It was brilliant.

Speaker 1 There are

Speaker 1 people.

Speaker 1 How did he, like, but that's why I think people...

Speaker 2 That's why people do love White Lotus, though, is that he always does incorporate what's really happening in the times and the conversations that we're having.

Speaker 2 So we are seeing a reflection of ourselves in the TV show. It was very, I had fallen asleep, so I didn't see this, but I did see a clip of it.

Speaker 2 And it was someone saying, like, this is the most perfectly acted, like, the facial expressions where she's like talking about the people in Texas like being Republicans.

Speaker 2 She's like, well, they're nice people. And she's like, wait, are you a Republican?

Speaker 1 She's like, no, I'm an David.

Speaker 1 I'm an independent.

Speaker 4 It's like the most like pitch perfect.

Speaker 1 Like that, that scene is what's going to win an Emmy if you're right 100 yeah it was awesome also premiering last night was denise in the wild things uh her wild things her wild things fun little uh television show we watched both episodes i mean it's early so you know i think it's they're they're getting their their feet wet and their bearings uh i love it it's all the scenes of beverly as housewives that i would watch so i was like i get a full episode it's like beverly hills housewives and like i used to like i grew up on reality television but like teenage so it's like the hills laguna beach pretty wild and i'm like so seeing this like aspect of the two teenage daughters, it's just like giving me life.

Speaker 1 Like, if, if, if I was saying to Natalie, look, I mean, imagine if we're lucky enough to have a child

Speaker 1 and River and let's say we have another daughter, you know, and they're relatively close in age.

Speaker 1 Like, if they grow up and one is an OnlyFans mile and the other one is like a hardcore like Christian, you know, who is just like, oh, my God, you know, the way she was like, I woke up and God told me to go to the beach today.

Speaker 1 And like, then you find out she's been religious for six months.

Speaker 1 Yeah, awesome.

Speaker 2 She's been like since I was 18 and a half.

Speaker 4 They're so, it's like the perfect, it's the perfect sister dynamic for TV.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so funny.

Speaker 4 It feels like watching an old MTV show. Yes.

Speaker 2 It's great. So funny, though, because I remember going through that stage myself of being like super, super Christian.

Speaker 2 I remember my older sister, Caroline, I like told her I was like sitting on the couch reading the Bible. And she comes in like, bitch, are you serious?

Speaker 2 And I was like, well, that's why you're going to hell.

Speaker 2 I definitely had that stage of my life and it seems like Lola is giving that kind of energy to Sammy right now the cuts between like her getting ready Sammy getting ready for the rape being like we have Narcan this is and then

Speaker 1 it's crazy and then the sister in her prayer group I'm like this

Speaker 1 eating the tacos

Speaker 1 like that you die from shit like Narcan like is Narcan

Speaker 4 it saves you so if you're doing drugs if you have pro tip I don't do drugs but if you do always have Narcan around or you think somebody might be doing drugs at a party.

Speaker 1 Is it like how you like, is it like the fentanyl saver?

Speaker 5 It'll bounce them back if they're going to overdose.

Speaker 4 Yeah, so you can like have time to take someone to get help at a hospital.

Speaker 1 If your friends are making sure they have to bring that, you're hanging around with the wrong people.

Speaker 2 But at least they're thoughtful.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Enough to like save their lives.

Speaker 5 In college, they give it to everybody just in case. So I think it's a matter of just.

Speaker 2 Who gives it to everybody?

Speaker 5 Well, I don't think it's a bad thing, but the universities are like, if you need it or like if you like want to have it, like they provide it.

Speaker 1 Really?

Speaker 5 Because you're going to parties.

Speaker 1 like even if you or your friends are not doing it if you see someone else like i definitely won't be the parent giving my kid condoms at 13. well yeah yeah that's kind of

Speaker 1 like a different approach i mean like yes i mean you know it won't be like the scare them out of doing things but like i don't know i feel like maybe a different parenting method can like maybe avoid having to like make sure your kids condom up you know that early or like bringing narcan I don't know.

Speaker 2 I feel like there's like a way to like be like, oh, I'm a progressive parent, but also scare them being like, so this is Narcan.

Speaker 2 This is when somebody overdoses is about to come to death, which you might be responsible for. So you need to be able to administer this.

Speaker 1 Fear is a very, like,

Speaker 1 powerful parenting tool. Like, yeah.

Speaker 2 Like, that's what I'm saying, where it's like, because I would be thinking if somebody's showing me what this is, I'd be like, well, I never want that to be used on me, let alone do I want to be responsible to use that on someone else.

Speaker 1 And your parents were always like, this, this, it'll kill you. Don't do it.
Okay. Same less.

Speaker 5 I think it's just like teaching someone CPR in case you're ever in the situation. A lot of people have Narcan in case you're ever in the situation.

Speaker 4 Because it's like, like you could be at a party with a bunch.

Speaker 4 You're not doing drugs, but there are people around you that are, even if you don't know them, if you're at a big party, especially in LA and especially like at a rave and the type of places that I'm assuming that

Speaker 4 Timmy's going to and stuff. And it's just good to know that it's there so.
somebody can be safe.

Speaker 1 I guess I hate that for the kids these days that they have to worry about stuff like that.

Speaker 1 That is sad. But anyways, congratulations to Denise and her show.
We'll be following along.

Speaker 5 I will say a lot of people are talking about the purse conversation where her chain got caught in the table. So a lot of people have been reposting it.
Like, that's the most relatable thing of like.

Speaker 1 It's awesome.

Speaker 2 There's nothing that eats my purse faster than a picnic table.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I just love that she's trying to like diffuse a situation between her daughters while like all of a sudden being like, like slamming a plastic knife into this like.

Speaker 1 She is, I love Denise. She's everyone's mom and I'm like, she's so honest.
And so, I mean, like, you know, no disrespect to.

Speaker 1 most of the housewives that, you know, just kind of came from money and their biggest moment of their career is being a housewife. But Denise is like, Denise fucking richer.

Speaker 1 She's literally like a bomb girl. She's a movie star.
And like now, and she's incredibly down to earth. Like, she's, she's one of the more down to earth, I think, housewives out there.

Speaker 1 Like, she's just so like, whatever. I'm, you know, like that scene where she was just like, you know, plastic.

Speaker 1 No, like, where she broke the fourth wall and she's like, and that's why we have a TV show. Like, that was amazing.
It was awesome.

Speaker 4 And then when she was on Tori Spelling's podcast, and she's like, people want to see my boobies. And thank you.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. He'll cut the disif you didn't want that out.
That was great. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I was like, I love how real she was too. And she was like, what the? It's a picnic.
What do you mean, bamboo and sugar products? Do you, I'm bringing plastic.

Speaker 4 She's like, we're going to make it. It's, it's, it's so family.

Speaker 2 Which is funny. It reminds me of Megan Markle's like little documentary she's come out with or show that she's come out with.

Speaker 1 And it's, she's the opposite of Ebis Richards.

Speaker 2 Well, no, well, she talks the amount of just like plastic Megan Markle uses in her home. And it's supposed to be very like earth-friendly and all this stuff.

Speaker 1 And everyone's like, the amount of plastic bags that you're using right now and like the amount of balloons are you serious petroleum like that's what we're doing uh poor megan she can't can't catch a break she is still rich though all right up next we have a very great interview now it's time for ingrid andras

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Speaker 1 My parents homeschooled some of my siblings.

Speaker 3 For real?

Speaker 3 Why not you?

Speaker 1 I'm one of the oldest. I have 10 siblings.

Speaker 3 Okay, I didn't know that.

Speaker 1 So they were just trying new things out. Yeah.

Speaker 2 You know, dipping in different ponds, you know?

Speaker 1 Totally.

Speaker 1 Literally. That's kind of all it was.

Speaker 3 Was it like cultives or like

Speaker 1 we're pretty normal for being freaks?

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I totally get it. Do you feel like they're as smart?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Okay.
I think they're as educated as I am.

Speaker 3 I was just about to say, it's probably the education level is probably up there, but street smarts is where we lack at the beginning.

Speaker 2 Well, I lack in all of it.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. It's okay.
You're in safe conversation.

Speaker 3 So no street smarts. None of it.

Speaker 1 Idiot. Oh, yeah.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 She's hard. She's hard.
That is so.

Speaker 1 She moved in New York as a teenager, so you can imagine her girls.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Oh, please. Okay.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. She not, she's fucking with you.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly.

Speaker 1 Ingrid, welcome to the show.

Speaker 3 Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 We're so excited to have you. So excited.

Speaker 3 I'm excited to be here.

Speaker 3 First podcast back from my, you know, being off the grid.

Speaker 2 Where did you go when you went off the grid?

Speaker 3 Um, well, I went to rehab and I went to, I went back to Colorado, which is where I'm from and spent a lot of time in the mountains.

Speaker 1 Is your family still there?

Speaker 3 Um, my brother is, but everybody kind of dispersed.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 I have sisters in Seattle. My parents live in the northern woods of Minnesota.
My youngest sister now lives in Nashville with me. So we're all kind of just all over the place.

Speaker 3 But yeah, I spent a lot of time with family and then I was like, okay, I think it's time to re-emerge.

Speaker 1 I mean, how do you want to talk about that experience? What's your comfort level?

Speaker 3 Just ask. Honestly, I'm so comfortable with it.
I know it's such like a taboo thing for people to want to discuss, but to me, it shouldn't be.

Speaker 1 Because I mean, have your friends been like, so like,

Speaker 3 that's been like the best part. Is like, some people are full on, like, what was it like? Like, did you have outfits? Like, what was the thing?

Speaker 3 And then some people are just like, I'm just glad you're better now.

Speaker 1 And like,

Speaker 1 praying for you. Yeah, exactly.
Like, I'm so glad you're okay. As if I just like,

Speaker 1 yeah.

Speaker 3 So I'm fine talking about it because to me, it was such a needed experience for me based on the dark trajectory I was going down.

Speaker 3 So I feel like even if you don't have a substance issue, disconnecting and asking yourself where you're at in your life and really getting down to, you know, your emotional well-being and like slowing things down, I think is essential, especially for pretty much everybody in this country.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 1 how did it get to that point? Like, I mean, I got to assume a lot of things kind of have to go wrong for you to walk out on

Speaker 1 into

Speaker 1 the Pitcher's Mound. I don't know exactly what you're saying.

Speaker 2 I'm really glad I didn't have to walk all the way out.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 a long walk back.

Speaker 3 I probably wouldn't have made it to the Pitcher's Mound in my condition.

Speaker 1 How does that happen?

Speaker 1 How aware were you like in that moment? Like,

Speaker 1 I'm really fucked up, but here we go. You know, or were you like, do you remember it? Like, how, how inebriated were we?

Speaker 3 I, so that day started as like a very, what seemed like a normal day. It was really more, it's, it's more about all the days leading up to that or like all the weeks.
So

Speaker 3 at that point, like that day, I, I knew that I was drinking, but I was really loving like the numbing feeling that I was having. And so I just didn't stop.

Speaker 3 And so it wasn't until I woke up the next day where I was like, okay, this is, this is so unlike me. Like, this is not okay.
Like, I need help because I actually walked out and like did not care.

Speaker 3 I was just like, I don't care. I don't care how this goes.
Like, I'm just, I was so fucked up. Sorry, messed up.

Speaker 1 I can swear.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 3 Yeah. I was so gone that afterwards, I thought that I like kind of nailed it.
I was like, oh, I feel like it, there were some hiccups in there. I could have sang it better.

Speaker 1 You're more like, not my best.

Speaker 3 I called my best, my best friend called me after I got off the field. And I remember briefly talking to her.
She's like, so how do you think that went?

Speaker 3 And I was like, well, I feel like it wasn't my best, but you know, like, that's how gone I was.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 1 did that particular friend like break the news?

Speaker 3 She.

Speaker 3 was very delicate. She was like, are you sure you think that went well? And I was like, yeah, yeah, I'll talk to you later.

Speaker 3 And it wasn't until when I woke up the next morning, one, I was like, it's terrifying that I don't remember how it went. And then that's when I called management and was like, hey, I need to go.

Speaker 3 I need to check myself in somewhere. Like, this is not like me.
And I feel like I'm at a point where I don't feel like I can get out of this myself.

Speaker 1 Was that your first experience with recognizing any type of issues when it came to abusing substances? Yes.

Speaker 3 That it was the first time because in my mind, I'm like, oh, I've had this under control for a very long time. And

Speaker 3 I think

Speaker 3 after I parted ways with my first and ever manager and broke up with my, you know, very serious boyfriend, like all at once.

Speaker 3 And I didn't realize how much I didn't let myself process those emotions of grief. And

Speaker 3 I think at that time, you know, everyone says, oh, just keep moving, keep moving, keep busy.

Speaker 3 And because I didn't process all that, I didn't realize how much it was starting to creep in in other ways, which, you know, I was increasing. It happened really quickly.

Speaker 3 It was in within like three months, I was drinking way more than I ever had ever. And

Speaker 3 just loved that, that numbing feeling because that's why we abuse any substance. Right.
It's like, and really anything can

Speaker 2 feel the feeling.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's like shopping, eating, gambling, sex, like anything can be an addiction. And we all have the ability to abuse substance when we are trying to numb something.

Speaker 3 So that's when I realized I was like, I don't actually know how to get out of this.

Speaker 1 How quickly did it escalate into a problem now that you look back and reflect?

Speaker 3 So my youngest sister lived with me for a while, like trying to get back on her feet in Nashville. And then she moved out in May.

Speaker 3 And that's kind of when everything started hitting me.

Speaker 3 Like I was alone in my house and like all those feelings of what I had, you know, all the people I had to say goodbye to before and just everything hit me.

Speaker 3 And so like beginning of May is when it just started spiraling so quickly. So then by July, I was just like, I don't feel anything anymore.
I'm good. And it's kind of nice.
Like it's great.

Speaker 3 And to me, it worked out great. And it only took, you know, global humiliation for me to be like, this is a problem.

Speaker 1 How, how, I mean, I mean, I definitely remember when it happened.

Speaker 1 Good.

Speaker 1 Every God does. Yeah.
Everybody.

Speaker 3 I mean, I was, and now I'm never showing my face in a game ever again.

Speaker 1 But like, how, how, how big did it really feel like the world found out?

Speaker 2 It did.

Speaker 3 And luckily, the world was finding out as I was on a plane to rehab, which is when I made my statement and posted online that I was going to rehab. I didn't realize

Speaker 3 how much the video was going viral because I wasn't, I'd never experienced anything like that. I just figured like, oh, like people will make fun of me and then people will forget.

Speaker 3 And like the fact that everyone was picking it up and everyone was, you know, you know, doing reaction videos on TikTok. And like, I didn't realize that until right before I got to rehab.

Speaker 3 And I'm like, thank God they're taking my phone away because

Speaker 3 I've never, one, experienced this much hate on such a massive level before. And that's when I realized I was like, oh, I don't think I can handle this right now.

Speaker 2 Well, I will say, I am chronically online and I had never seen it or heard of it.

Speaker 1 Oh, oh, wow. Yeah.
What a relief. There are some of us out there.
Oh my God.

Speaker 2 So you don't just know you and love you for your music.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. I'm just a baseball fan.
So it was probably like

Speaker 1 I was just watching like all-star coverage.

Speaker 2 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 Well, I didn't think they'd have the audacity to play the clip on MLB. Like

Speaker 3 I was like, oh my God. But I will say

Speaker 3 at the time, I know like politics was like really bubbling. And I feel like there was just a lot of angst in general during that time.

Speaker 3 So if anything, I feel like at least, if anything, I'm fine with being America's punching bag because for one moment, everybody was united in the fact that that was awful. So I feel like I united.

Speaker 1 And you're welcome in a way.

Speaker 1 But you said like you got hate. Is that, you know, and I'm sure any form of criticism, I'm sure, feels heavy, especially when it's directed at you.
But were people

Speaker 1 like really coming at you? Because like, you know, I didn't know much about you when I saw it, but I was more like, oh, God.

Speaker 1 Poor thing, you know, like, what a bummer. But I didn't like, I didn't have a problem with you.
You know, it's like you didn't do any, you know, you didn't do anything to me.

Speaker 1 But like, were people like personally triggered in coming at you? Or did you?

Speaker 2 Maybe everything just feel loud. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Or just it all just felt loud.

Speaker 3 I think the biggest backlash was when I, because when I posted like, hey, I, I'm sorry, I was drunk, apologized to MLB and like. I'm checking into rehab.

Speaker 3 Like that was the most vulnerable I think I've ever been on admitting something like that.

Speaker 3 Cause I, I had the thought of like, well, maybe I won't tell anybody that I'm going and I'll just like disappear and then come back.

Speaker 3 But for some reason, it felt like I got more hate from saying that I was going to rehab of just like,

Speaker 3 oh, you're blaming it on being drunk when you're just a bad singer. And like, it was really, it showed me a lot about

Speaker 3 one, how sensitive I am. And two, just the lack of empathy in general,

Speaker 3 which I didn't think, I don't know, I guess I hadn't been exposed to that at that level before, but I don't, I hope it's not pointed at me as a person. I think there's just a lot of anger that people

Speaker 3 need to.

Speaker 1 Well, I'm often reminded, I don't know how much you know about me or like, oh, I was once on a reality TV show.

Speaker 1 I do know that. I've told this story a few times, but

Speaker 1 it was like,

Speaker 1 I don't know maybe it'll help you, but like, I got trolled a lot at times when I was on the show. And then at first, I blocked a few people.
I was like, you know what? This person's mean.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to listen. A few years later, I got a message on Twitter, and it was a young lady saying, Hey, Nick, can you unblock me on Instagram?

Speaker 1 I really apologize for calling you, I don't remember, like a ugly troll, blah, blah, blah. But in my defense,

Speaker 1 I was 12.

Speaker 1 She writes. And it was like, I really like, I'll always remember that moment because you just never know who's writing it.

Speaker 1 And it's just like, if you knew that all of your critics were 12 and 13 year old girls, just like that would make, I would be like, okay, if that's what you need to do. Yeah, right.

Speaker 1 Like, I'm here for you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, just get it out, sister. But whether they're 12 or 13 or they're an adult human, like chances are, like, when it comes, when it feels like,

Speaker 1 this doesn't even make sense. Like, why, why are you, why is this directed at me? Like, I know I fucked up, but like, it's, it's always, it's some version of a 12-year-old, you know, basically.

Speaker 3 Totally. Which I've, I feel like, I mean, that's so great that you recognize that you know

Speaker 3 relatively early on in this process for you because for me it's it is new and so i'm learning new boundaries of of what i will read and what i won't which i never had to worry about before but it's kind of it's kind of freeing in a way because i do care what people think about me but i i'm realizing that i care more what they think about my music and my songwriting and that i mean they can judge how i look what i wear like all these things that i mean

Speaker 3 are kind of pointless but to me what i care about is the things that i really care about which is music and songwriting so if and i realize that some people won't like that either but i just

Speaker 2 that's yeah i was gonna ask if you have and what it looks like your like relationship with social media today i i think i

Speaker 3 want to be less precious about it moving forward, especially because

Speaker 3 I was so terrified of like fucking up for so long in my career.

Speaker 3 And I feel like now that I've done that on such a massive scale, it feels like the bandaid has been ripped off and that I can show that I am a human and that it's, you know, everyone in.

Speaker 3 thinks celebrities are a certain way or whatever, but I'm, I'm more comfortable showing up as a human being now, I think. And so whatever that looks like on social media is

Speaker 3 probably going to be more transparent than I have been in the past, just because I was so afraid that somebody would take something the wrong way, or I would offend somebody with something that I wore or like, just all those things.

Speaker 3 And now I feel like all those voices are not completely gone, but they're, they're, they're not as loud.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, the, the, the more people know that they can get to you, the more they'll try type of thing.
The more you show show people, like, you know, do say what you want to say.

Speaker 1 And like, it doesn't really impact me, then it just becomes

Speaker 1 boring for those people, you know? So it's really kind of a weird dynamic.

Speaker 1 Were there any artists that you are friends with or collaborate in the past that reached out and offered you any type of support?

Speaker 3 Yes. So that was actually the other really meaningful thing that happened after the anthem.

Speaker 3 I was expecting no one to reach out or like, but there was just just so much outpouring of love from, from female country artists in, in Nashville.

Speaker 3 And I actually felt like so loved and seen like going into rehab.

Speaker 1 Like, that's lovely.

Speaker 3 Like, L. King was like, this is just all part of it, girl.
And like, she's obviously been there before, too.

Speaker 3 And, you know, Kelsey Ballerini was like, welcome to, you know, the worst parts of this job. And like,

Speaker 3 it was all, it was was mostly women and like Karen Fairchild from Little Big Town. And

Speaker 3 that really meant a lot to me because I feel like women in country music have had to stick together based on very obvious things because it's like a very male dominated genre.

Speaker 3 But for them to, to be like, hey, like, we've all been there.

Speaker 2 You're not alone.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 It was very meaningful. And Carlos Santana randomly was like, yeah, have never spoken to him before in my life.
And he asked my management, he's like, hey, can I get Ingrid's number?

Speaker 1 That's very iconic.

Speaker 3 Right? I was like, hello? I was like, in rehab.

Speaker 1 I was like, hi there. What are you? What's up?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's me, your long-lost friend.

Speaker 3 But he was so kind and so supportive and was just like, you know, if you ever want to do a song, like, you know where to find me. And he like sent me flowers.
And I was like, did you say yes?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 I was like, I will pencil you in, sir.

Speaker 1 Where you're like, I'm lit, you know where to find me. I'm in rehab.
Yeah, yeah, and actually, this rehab has a studio. So, if you want to like pop by here, like, please feel free.

Speaker 1 Do you think you would ever want to perform the national anthem?

Speaker 2 She redeemed herself.

Speaker 1 I did.

Speaker 1 Where? When?

Speaker 3 Last, well, it was very recent. That was like on Friday.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, you crushed. How did it feel?

Speaker 3 It was great.

Speaker 1 And no one, why hasn't that gone more viral?

Speaker 1 Oh, I wonder why. Because I sound better.

Speaker 3 I'm like, I actually sang it. And actually, people still are like, oh, she's still drunk.
Like, she's singing it so slow.

Speaker 3 And I'm like, well, I'm singing it slowly because it was actually harder to sing this time around because the first time I had in ears, which is where you can hear yourself.

Speaker 3 I didn't hear myself the first time because I wasn't mentally there. But the second time they didn't have in ears.
So, and it was in an arena. So you have to sing slower because

Speaker 3 the echo is constantly bouncing back at you.

Speaker 1 So that it just made your comeback even more harder? Yeah.

Speaker 1 It did.

Speaker 1 Still crush. So yes, I did.

Speaker 3 And it felt, I, when I tell you, like, I have never been more nervous about something. Oh, I gotta, I gotta, oh my God.
Like, oh my, the only thing getting me through it was the thought, like, I

Speaker 3 never

Speaker 3 have to sing this song again.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Was it kind of like, once I redeem myself and do it once, I'm like, that's all I have to do.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And was that something that like your, your team was like, hey, you need to get it back there and sing the national anthem?

Speaker 1 Or were you like, no, I, I need to do this to show myself and my fans and the world that like I can sing this fucking song. Yeah.

Speaker 3 It was a bit of both because I'm very, I am a competitive person. And

Speaker 3 originally, I told my team, I was like, I'm actually never singing that song again. And we were just going to move on and talk about it a lot.

Speaker 3 But as time went on and we, I was writing more music and I was like, I think actually for my own mental well-being and to be able to close this chapter, like I need to do this for myself, even though I hate this idea, because if you bomb the anthem twice, your career is over.

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 3 truly, especially after, can you imagine

Speaker 1 bombing?

Speaker 1 Very high.

Speaker 3 Like there's really no coming back from that. Yeah.

Speaker 3 So,

Speaker 3 um, yeah, part of me just needed to do it to prove to myself that I could and to show people who maybe didn't know me outside of that.

Speaker 3 Like, I actually am a singer and I've been doing this for a long time and it actually does mean a lot to me. And

Speaker 3 I take it seriously.

Speaker 2 So how long was the like

Speaker 2 after you finished?

Speaker 3 I, the next day,

Speaker 3 was very different than the next day. Yeah.

Speaker 3 I, the amount of, I didn't realize how much weight I was carrying with it. And so when I woke up the next day and it was gone, I was like, oh, I had no idea I would feel this much relief.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 yeah, it didn't, the video didn't blow up as much as the first one because I just think, I just think think sometimes people like,

Speaker 3 how do I say this without saying people can be shitty sometimes?

Speaker 2 Nick and I say this all the time. I mean, it's why we don't ever like really open up that much about that kind of stuff is because it will, no one cares.
Like, no, no one cares about the truth.

Speaker 2 They just want to run with the fun story that they've made up and it's going to go viral. Like, no one cares about like your apology video.

Speaker 2 It's never going to go as viral as like what, whatever happened, you know? So it's never worth it, I feel like, because it's just not gonna

Speaker 1 it's not gonna go the way that you think it's gonna go yeah i imagine like when you know after the incident like you making that statement was something that you felt like you needed to do but like in the history of internet apologies i've never seen the internet go oh

Speaker 1 thanks right we forgive you that was well said that was cool really really thoughtful

Speaker 1 really nice no notes yeah

Speaker 1 never

Speaker 1 yeah

Speaker 1 it'll never happen you know So it's like, obviously, this was a very big thing for you. So it kind of, you felt like it necessitated that.

Speaker 1 And every once in a while, like, yeah, it may, it might make sense to make a statement, but like, you never have, you never make a statement because you think it's going to like go over well.

Speaker 1 And if, and if short of you, like, really needing to, I'm just like, I, I just opt out of not addressing anything. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah. I, it was definitely more for me to do it.
And that way I didn't have to like talk about it as much because I just went back out and did it. And it was just like, end of story.
I did it.

Speaker 3 You guys can stop trolling me. But it turns out they can still troll you

Speaker 3 even after you nail it.

Speaker 2 So like, this was good, but remember last time.

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 I'm like, I do, but I don't remember really.

Speaker 1 But yes.

Speaker 2 Well, you have come out. with a new song.

Speaker 1 Yes, I have.

Speaker 2 Did you, was that your plan where you're like, I want to come back and I want to come back with an amazing song?

Speaker 3 Yes. I mean, the significance of Footprints was really more why I wanted that song to come out first.

Speaker 3 I actually wrote it a couple years ago

Speaker 3 for my siblings, all four of them. And

Speaker 3 cause I was the first one to leave home and like leave the cult. Just kidding.
It wasn't a cult. It was a very loving family.

Speaker 3 And I felt like I had left them behind in a way. And I didn't want them to feel like I was abandoning them.
but like, but just to show them, like, hey, you can learn from my mistakes.

Speaker 3 And, like, but I also wrote it from like on top of a mountain of like things were going well in my career. Like, I was getting nominated for things.

Speaker 3 And I was like, oh, see, like, look, you can do this too. Like, if I can do it.
But I listened to it again after getting out of rehab and it hit different because

Speaker 3 I felt like

Speaker 3 I was listening to it walking up the mountain this time, as opposed to being up there already. And it meant more to me because I wanted them to see, like, one,

Speaker 3 your older sister is crazy, but resilient. And like, even after all this, like, you can still do this.
And if you ever want.

Speaker 3 Just know that like the path that I'm going on is to show that like you can also pursue your dreams and do things.

Speaker 3 And so to me i wanted footprints to be the first song because it it hit different from where i'm at in life now

Speaker 1 um

Speaker 3 and

Speaker 3 i mean i tell them all the time like i i try to lead by example i'm like don't follow all my footprints right specifically not into the baseball stadium um but

Speaker 3 I think for me, it's important for them to know, like, you, you can do,

Speaker 3 you can go out and pursue your dreams, Um, not exactly in the way that I have, but it is possible.

Speaker 2 But also, just like, no matter what hard ships you go through, you know, every looks different for everyone. Like, you can come out of it, you know, like you can find the light.

Speaker 2 You can like do all of the things because you were able to do it, you know, when you are that example to them of like, it might not be easy, but it's doable.

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly. The good news is, is the only thing Americans love more than a fall from grace is a nice comeback.

Speaker 3 Exactly.

Speaker 3 That's what I've been told.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Does it feel like that right now?

Speaker 3 I think so.

Speaker 3 I also love a good comeback story. It feels more like

Speaker 3 just, I by no means, like, no one should take my advice and no one should be like,

Speaker 3 you know, following my example after I release a song like Prip Prince. But I'm just like, it feels like a comeback, but it also just feels like a return to something that's always been there.

Speaker 3 and so because i think people make mistakes and so to then

Speaker 3 come out and be like i'm different i'm new i'm whatever it's like no i'm still me i'm still like the messy crazy you know introspective me but I feel more present in who I am as opposed to

Speaker 1 that's a thing because like comeback doesn't have to mean like oh my god I've recreated myself I'm a new person it's more like I've made a mistake I've worked on that mistake I'm I'm still the very talented vocalist and songwriter that I've always have been without like without the thing that caused the thing.

Speaker 1 And now I

Speaker 1 can

Speaker 1 without that thing. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, totally. You did get to tour with Stevie Nicks.
I did. How was that experience?

Speaker 3 Pretty life-changing.

Speaker 3 She has been like my idol for such a long time.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 she just transcends timelines and genres. And a lot of it is because of her authenticity as an artist and as a songwriter and just as a human.

Speaker 3 And it's rare that you see that as artists get older, I find.

Speaker 3 But it's almost like she's really embraced her journey and has really leaned into who she is. And I think that's what makes her so magical is that she does not apologize.

Speaker 3 She just shows up as herself and has for decades.

Speaker 3 And to see that, you know, because her and I are obviously at very different places in our lives and careers, but it was so inspiring to see her still doing the thing that she loves. And like

Speaker 3 the fans that came out were from all walks of life, like all different ages. Like it wasn't just this one thing.
It was, it was really powerful to see how many

Speaker 3 lives and, you know, how many generations she transcends. And I was honestly shocked that I was there, but I felt very at home, like with her fans.

Speaker 3 It felt like everybody appreciated storytelling and just being

Speaker 3 real and

Speaker 3 truthful.

Speaker 3 And yeah, it was very inspiring. I definitely want to be her when I grow up.

Speaker 1 Do you enjoy songwriting or performing better? Or is there a mix of both?

Speaker 3 They fluctuate.

Speaker 3 After being on the road, I'll say I can't wait to get back in the studio. Like I am done performing.

Speaker 3 And then when I'm in the studio for months at a time, I'm like, I can't wait to get out of here and, you know, jump around stage.

Speaker 3 But I will say, I think songwriting is probably where I'm more comfortable, just because I feel like I can process my thoughts better in the moment but being on stage has its own energy it's like it feels more communal than songwriting does songwriting can feel a little isolating whereas performing on stage you just there's like this energy of everybody in the room that is hard not to feed off of and feels very um like life-giving in a way.

Speaker 1 When you co-wrote Boys with Charlie XCX, how does something like that come to be? Are you guys like friends? You call up and like, I have an idea for a song. Do your teams kind of get you together?

Speaker 1 Like, what does that look like? Because, you know, two different genres. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You know, and which I always love.
I always love when like two different things come together. Totally.
This is a fun one. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah. So how that happened.
So Charlie,

Speaker 3 she is a very good songwriter. Like she's written songs for like Icon of Pop and like she also started as a songwriter and then turned into artist.

Speaker 3 And so Boys was actually the first outside song that she wanted to record, which to me was crazy because I looked up to her as a songwriter.

Speaker 3 And so for me to get the call of like, hey, Charlie actually really likes this song. I'm like, well, does she want to like tweak it?

Speaker 3 Or, and she obviously added her sauce to it, but it was actually, we never like collabed on it because the song was already done.

Speaker 1 Oh, wow.

Speaker 3 And she, yeah, it was the first time that she took a song that she didn't write.

Speaker 2 How does that feel for you to like

Speaker 2 write songs and then have other artists sing them? Or like, does that feel good to you? Or is it kind of like weird?

Speaker 2 Because it's like you wrote it, but then you're like honored because someone else is singing, but.

Speaker 1 And are you writing every song with the intention of you singing it?

Speaker 3 Or do you sometimes, kind of to Nellia's point, deliberately be like, this is not even for me, but I just love what the song is yeah so when I started switching or transitioning from just a songwriter to an artist the whole reason that happened was because I started writing songs that were very personal to me and like my story and artists wanted to cut the songs and I'd be like no and then my publisher was like well then why

Speaker 3 yeah or they're just like well you're supposed to want other people to sing these songs I'm like yeah but they're my stories and I'm having a hard time letting these go.

Speaker 3 And so that was like kind of the biggest reason I became an artist was because I didn't want other people pretending that my story was theirs.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 3 there is, there are many songs where I'm like, this is obviously not for me. Like I would never say that.

Speaker 3 Like boys being one of them, you know, as much as that side of me comes out a lot, I'm like, I am not like that all the time. And I would like to think I am.

Speaker 3 It's almost like me talking about somebody that maybe I'd want to be one day, you know, but I know at my core, it's like, it's like saying that you're a wolf, but really, you know, you're like a fox, you know, you're like, this is me.

Speaker 2 And you're like, this is not me.

Speaker 1 I'm just joking.

Speaker 3 I'm just, yeah, I'm joking. This can, no one would believe me, you know?

Speaker 3 So there are, whenever I write for other artists, I'm always hoping that they can hear themselves in it because that's what matters to me. I'm like, does this resonate with you?

Speaker 3 Like, and obviously there will always be a part of me in those songs, but it's almost to like help facilitate them

Speaker 3 as opposed to being like, This is about me.

Speaker 2 What was the first song that another artist cut?

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 3 what was it?

Speaker 3 Honestly, Boys might have been the first cut, and then there's been Fletcher has cut a bunch of my songs, which I love her. I'd actually have to look, I haven't looked at my list in a minute.

Speaker 1 Wow, so humble, so humble.

Speaker 2 No,

Speaker 1 no, I'm being honest, I'm forgetting.

Speaker 1 Back to homeschooling. Oh, yeah.
Let's go. Come on.
So were you homeschooled like your entire education system? Or was it like, so my, my parents, I was going to say, tell me about your siblings.

Speaker 1 I have 10 siblings. I was, I was public all the way.
You know, like, couldn't afford anything else. It was just like, you know, that's what people did.

Speaker 1 It was like homeschooling was very niche back then. If you heard of homeschooling back then, it was like, what is going on in that house?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. And then my parents, you know, I grew up very Catholic.
So then some of my siblings did like

Speaker 1 private elementary school and middle, you know, middle school. And then with the younger ones, my mom was like, I want to, you know, I want to do the homeschooling thing.

Speaker 1 It was like through the education system. So like she wasn't like on an island.

Speaker 1 She was like getting curriculum from teachers and she was sending in papers and they were getting graded and scored by actual teachers and things like that.

Speaker 1 And then my younger siblings would like go to music classes at the local schools. So it was very integrated with the public school system.
Yeah. It wasn't on an island, so to speak.
Okay.

Speaker 1 And then everyone went to a high school. Oh, okay.
Normal high school for like, you know, just to integrate with society. Right.
What was yours like?

Speaker 3 Very similar. Okay.

Speaker 1 Oh, then that's like, that's that's normal. That's like.

Speaker 3 Yeah, well, except I started in preschool through like second grade, maybe.

Speaker 3 I went to like normal public school, but then it was getting harder to pull us out of school because we were starting to learn like pretty important things, like reading and stuff.

Speaker 3 And my dad was a major league baseball coach, and he traveled a lot. And spring training is a thing every year.

Speaker 1 What are you coaching for?

Speaker 3 He started with the Detroit Tigers, and then he was with the Rockies for most of my childhood. And then he ended with the Mets.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Hence why the MLB humiliation really stung

Speaker 1 me.

Speaker 1 Did dad have anything?

Speaker 3 Oh, a lot of old retired players reached out to him. Let me tell you, being like, is your daughter okay? And he was like,

Speaker 1 no, she's not.

Speaker 3 She's not.

Speaker 3 But so my mom decided to homeschool us because we would have to be pulled out of school a lot to travel with him for like months at a time.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 3 So that was the reason. And it was fine.
We, we did those, like, for those of you who are homeschooled, you'll know this.

Speaker 3 It's like you get this once a week go hang out with other homeschooler classes um it was called a k-12 program so once a week we would integrate with other homeschoolers and that's when i remember thinking like oh i'm a cool homeschooler because everybody else in the the homeschool world like there was a reason why you got homeschooled you know like there was just a lot of stuff going on and a lot of it was like religious repression or like something like that but then

Speaker 3 i started playing sports and got pretty serious about it when i was 13 or 14 is when you start doing competitive club sports and so my parents were like well it's time to put you in public school then in order to like start building that resume so they actually put me in public school in eighth grade how did that affect that you feel like you have a lot of

Speaker 1 opinions about it oh

Speaker 1 it would be one thing middle school is hard yes especially the last year of middle school.

Speaker 3 Like, it'd be one thing to go to high school because it's like you, you know, people are

Speaker 3 everyone's awkward and like you're coming in from different counties and like everyone's kind of like, it's a new batch of people.

Speaker 1 Everyone's like, who the fuck is this chick?

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 3 Like, it was, it was like breaking into like the cool kids club last minute, like when, when they were about to, you know, leave and they were just like, we don't really know what to do with you because like we're kind of done here.

Speaker 3 And I'm like, yeah, totally.

Speaker 1 I get it.

Speaker 3 I don't, I don't need to be accepted. So that was a traumatizing year

Speaker 3 for sure, because my parents were also very conservative and like sheltered us from a lot of things.

Speaker 3 And so when I got to middle school, I really had no idea, like, what was going on. And I wasn't allowed to wear makeup and had to dress very, very, very modestly.

Speaker 3 And I felt like I learned so much in such a short period of time of like,

Speaker 3 you know, oh, why is this girl crying in the bathroom over this guy? Like, what happened? And like,

Speaker 3 oh, like, what's a push-up bra? I'm like, what does that do? I'm like, can I have one?

Speaker 2 Am I putting a razor on your legs?

Speaker 1 Yes. What? I'm like, do you do the whole one or just here?

Speaker 2 The knee seems hard.

Speaker 1 The knee seems.

Speaker 3 They're like, why are you rolling up your gym shorts so high?

Speaker 1 I'm like, you're not like tying a shirt up and making it a crock top.

Speaker 3 I'm like, does that help you play better? I'm like, I don't know. I feel like that would hurt in dog ball, you know?

Speaker 3 So it's just, there was like all these things that I felt like an outsider, which is why I feel like.

Speaker 3 social norms to me are such a is such an interesting concept because they change so much and like they change based on wherever you go and like they're a constantly evolving thing and and some people take them really seriously and some don't and like as somebody who is still feels i feel like i'm learning something every day it is a fascinating concept to me of like how we choose to interact with each other and like what's acceptable it will be interesting we have a 13 month old daughter and it will be interesting to see like what kind of yes she

Speaker 1 oh my gosh and like and the personality yeah it'll be weird it'll be weird it'll be great though

Speaker 2 you are playing the grand ole opry this weekend.

Speaker 3 I am.

Speaker 1 It's kind of big deal.

Speaker 2 Have you done it before?

Speaker 3 I have. Okay.
Not in a, not in a long time, though. Like, I've had a lot of great memories at the Opry for sure.
But yeah, this will be my first time coming back in like a couple of years.

Speaker 1 How are you feeling?

Speaker 3 I'm excited

Speaker 3 because it feels very familiar, but also very...

Speaker 3 accepting. Like the country community is, they're like fiercely loyal.
And so I, I feel like it's kind of a nice

Speaker 3 welcome back into society because

Speaker 3 country music fans really want to relate to you and they really want to hear your stories. And I feel like that's what I love about it so much.
And I think that Opry has captured that for

Speaker 3 longer than I've been alive and has done that for so many people. So I'm excited.

Speaker 3 I'm going to play Footprints for the first time there on piano.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God.

Speaker 3 So we'll see if they like it.

Speaker 1 Oh, they will, of course. It says here you're passionate about comedy and comedians.
You're very funny, by the way. Oh, thank you.
But do you have any fave comedians that you're following right now?

Speaker 3 I, I mean, there are so many. I feel like I've watched everyone's new Netflix specials, like when there was the writer's strike, you know, and I feel like Netflix ran out of like, you know,

Speaker 1 content.

Speaker 3 And they were like, let's give every comedian a special. And I was like, Yes.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 3 yeah, I feel like, well, I've always loved Bilber because he's just, you know, very straightforward. But I also love Nikki Glazer.
I've loved her for a minute.

Speaker 3 And I love that she's like finally getting her moment.

Speaker 1 She's been a friend of the show for a long time, and it's exciting to see her.

Speaker 3 She's, oh, I just love her.

Speaker 3 Obviously, Dave Chappelle is like one of the OG

Speaker 3 and

Speaker 3 Tennessee man.

Speaker 3 What's his name?

Speaker 3 Oh my God. He hosted.
Oh, Theo Vaughn, of course. Yes, him.

Speaker 3 He is wild.

Speaker 3 I'm really happy I don't.

Speaker 2 I know what pops into his brain. I'm like,

Speaker 2 you are one of a kind.

Speaker 1 And then he'll say things. I'm like, I don't think I could say that out loud and get away with it.

Speaker 1 He just has a way of just, okay, I guess so.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's the way that he says it to where you're like, sure, man.

Speaker 1 Like, he is just asking a question, I guess. Yeah.

Speaker 3 You're just like, only you could ask that. And it's very,

Speaker 3 yeah, he's, he's wild.

Speaker 2 What Tennessee man are you talking about? Nate.

Speaker 1 Nate Bargatzi. Yes.
Oh, yeah. He's he's hilarious.

Speaker 3 His dryness like gives me so much life. And he's, he's also been doing it for such a long time.

Speaker 1 So I feel like he's having it. He's really having a moment.

Speaker 3 He's having a moment, too.

Speaker 1 Did you ever think that was like a path you might take?

Speaker 3 No,

Speaker 3 I feel like there, there are similarities in songwriting and comedy writing, which is why I think I get into it so much because they're also writing,

Speaker 3 you know, in country music, you have like that twist at the end or like that wordplay or like how, how do you tie this up in the end?

Speaker 3 And comedy is the same way to where you're almost like working backwards when you're writing a joke. And to see like the transitions and like the writing part of it is so brilliant.

Speaker 3 And I feel like comedians are just as dark as songwriters are sometimes. And so it's almost like your brains kind kind of understand each other.

Speaker 3 And at least in Nashville, like a lot of the songwriters and the comedians are all friends because there's like this understood, you know, ability to write in hopes that you're bringing other people

Speaker 3 more joy or to make other people feel more understood. And so I just love that about comedy.
Sometimes it's, I, I mean, I, I'm not a fan of all comedy.

Speaker 3 I feel like sometimes I'm like, hmm, no, that didn't

Speaker 1 do that.

Speaker 1 You know, sometimes people have some misses.

Speaker 1 Agreed.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Amen.

Speaker 1 All our audience loves all kinds of TV. Any TV shows you're a big fan of watching right now or anything?

Speaker 3 Yeah, I'm really into severance right now. I was on Reddit the other night.

Speaker 1 Don't, well, we're caught up.

Speaker 3 Okay, you say.

Speaker 1 Spoiler alert. What's your theory? What's going on with his wife? I feel like.

Speaker 3 And this is like, this is, I'm worried to say it because I don't want people to be like, yeah, there's no way. But there's, I feel like her, she is recovering her brain.

Speaker 3 And so it's almost like if he breaks out of it, it's almost like they need him in order for her to like build her brain back in a way.

Speaker 1 I think she died or

Speaker 2 I think I think Lumen staged her death.

Speaker 3 I ticket her.

Speaker 2 I think so too.

Speaker 2 But like,

Speaker 1 what she died and that's her ghost in like I'm gonna be so mad if they leave in season two without telling us without like on a major cliffhanger where we have to wait a long time to find out some answers.

Speaker 1 I need some kind of answer.

Speaker 3 Well, do we think she did get in a car when she had like brain damage? And part of Lumen's thing is to like rebuild someone's brain and like that sounds like a noble thing and they don't seem noble.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Also, the thing I will be so disappointed in if I don't get to see Helly meet Helena. I know.
You know what I'm saying? Because like

Speaker 1 there's a a lot of similarities between the innies and the Audis, right? Especially like Mark's Innie and Marcus Audi, kind of the same gentle person, right?

Speaker 1 But like, Helly and Helena are polar opposites. And I want to see her severed.

Speaker 3 How would they do that?

Speaker 1 I want to see her severed. Oh.
Somehow. That would be incredible.
Yeah, yeah. That's not going to happen in season two.
No, no, that's season five. Give me, yes.
But

Speaker 1 I need some clarity with Miss Casey.

Speaker 2 I do too.

Speaker 1 I don't, I, yeah.

Speaker 1 Something.

Speaker 3 The fact that she is still wanting to see, yeah, there's a lot going on. I feel like I'm starting to focus on Bert too now.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Is he a part of it?

Speaker 1 Bert's definitely a part of it.

Speaker 3 He is because his partner got a little wine, whatever, and was like, oh, yeah, like you were there like 20 years ago. And he was like, oh, you've had too much to drink.

Speaker 3 Obviously, I was only there seven years. And like the fact that before the guy left and he like reestablished, it was, he gets confused.
It was only, which means he was part of making it.

Speaker 3 And so to me, he must have done something really bad because he was atoning for his sins.

Speaker 1 True.

Speaker 2 So many questions.

Speaker 1 Well, anyway. This is so fun talking with you.

Speaker 3 Thank you guys for having me.

Speaker 1 Thank you so much for being so open and just talking about the experience. I know it's never easy, but we're wishing you nothing but the best and great success in the future.

Speaker 1 Congratulations on footprints. Congratulations on Footprints.
Please come back and just talk about life and

Speaker 1 comedy and TV.

Speaker 1 Is there an album coming out?

Speaker 3 There might be.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Well, look for that album.
And in the meantime, listen to footprints wherever you listen to music, basically. Yeah, pretty much.

Speaker 1 Thank you guys. Thank you.
Thanks.

Speaker 2 Huge fan. Even bigger than I was before.

Speaker 1 Love her. I mean, great.
Funny, first of all. Really funny.
Brilliant.

Speaker 2 She's a great, honestly, she's just like a great outlook, I think, on life. And I guess sometimes it takes going through that kind of thing to like, you know.

Speaker 1 I mean, let's be real. Like, obviously, like, I'm not trying to make light of the situation.
And she, she got the help that she needed. But like, fuck, man, I don't know.

Speaker 1 Most of my friends have had an experience via alcohol or some sort of substance where they, there was a big apology that had to come, you know, there was a moment where they like,

Speaker 1 things didn't go their way. I mean, it's not to condone it or anything, but it was, you know, a human mistake.
And I just love to see her rising and coming back and making the most of that situation.

Speaker 2 So it was great. On my 21st birthday, I was so hammered and I was crying because I just wanted to go home.
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Speaker 2 And he's had to apologize to me since. So

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Speaker 2 I didn't get to meet you last time.

Speaker 1 Everyone was raving about you.

Speaker 2 I wasn't here. I don't know what was, maybe we didn't have a babysitter or something.

Speaker 1 I don't know. You were just like, you know, fuck her aunt.
Woo!

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 2 And then I saw how good a season was, and I was like, okay, maybe I'll be there for this one.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 it's a pleasure meeting you. And we had a blast last time.

Speaker 1 Can I just say something? You're a really good bachelor, man. Oh, man.
Listen, there's a lot of mixed opinions, but you know something.

Speaker 1 I am the foremost authority on who is a good bachelor and who is not a good bachelor. Your opinion definitely matters, man.
You're very good.

Speaker 1 When I say that, Joey was very excellent, obviously fan fave. But like, and I don't even mean like, you know, whether people, you know, there's so many things outside of your control as a bachelor.

Speaker 1 Right. But what I've always been really impressed about watching you this season is your ability to listen and respond to the women and make them feel seen and heard without getting defensive.

Speaker 1 You've never had to like clap back, you know, or like you've, you've navigated very awkward or difficult situations with a very high emotional maturity level.

Speaker 2 I've also never said thank you for sharing.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, that's

Speaker 1 really high.

Speaker 2 It's like so nice to say.

Speaker 1 It's difficult. It's difficult.
Well, thank you for sharing is a telltale sign of I don't give a fuck.

Speaker 1 I don't know what to say. All right.
And

Speaker 1 you've always

Speaker 1 had something to say.

Speaker 1 And I think that is a great quality and it speaks to your emotional intelligence. Thank you.
I appreciate it. You know, it's definitely difficult.

Speaker 1 I try to go in there and just lead with love, try to listen and try to have a connection with each of the ladies, regardless of how far along we were, you know, in our romance and that aspect.

Speaker 1 But I just had to have a connection. I really cared about them and each of the stories because you learn a lot about them.
And

Speaker 1 girls and how it came off. I really, I really try to help everybody grow and myself.
I grew a lot on that show as well. So, yeah.
I'm very excited for this ending. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Probably less excited than you are.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, let me say why I'm excited because like

Speaker 1 the best possible season is when you're like the lead, because the leads, they really usually know going into hometown weekends.

Speaker 1 If they don't know, they have a pretty good idea. It's usually the producers being like, well, just keep an open mind.

Speaker 1 That's the best to say.

Speaker 1 You have to keep it open mind.

Speaker 1 And you're like, yeah, I'll keep it open mind, but I'm picking her.

Speaker 1 And it really seems, you seem really torn, man. Yeah, I think it's a testament to just how the final two, they were amazing.

Speaker 1 And I connections with with both of them and then and they were so different and it just came down to what i was looking for in my life who could i relate to the most

Speaker 1 and you know there's also an extra added pressure on being you know the second black bachelor ever you know you think that you have to make a decision based off of you know what people would want or this or that but you have to go with your heart and i think i did that i just need a little extra time to to uh sit and really think things through because I wanted this decision to be final.

Speaker 2 How much extra time did you get? Like 10 minutes?

Speaker 1 Yeah, listen, you know, everything's never getting much time. You don't get much time.
Everything's,

Speaker 1 you know, they,

Speaker 1 it's a lot of drama.

Speaker 1 It didn't take as long as what they say, but I understand they have to play it up. And yeah, it just, it was a really hard decision, but this is somebody who's going to be my wife.

Speaker 1 So I really tried to approach it like that. And yeah, we got to see how it ends.
So do you really, did you really not know the morning you woke up? Listen, I knew. I knew based off of what I needed.

Speaker 1 But like I said, it was a mixture of things, not wanting to hurt somebody. You know, you have to to stand your ground and really decide what your heart wants.

Speaker 1 It was, it was, it was between my head and my heart at one point. You know, I had feelings for both.
I was in love with both women. And yeah, it just was, it was, one, was hard.

Speaker 1 It was hard for me to hurt somebody on which is going to be the most important day, should be the happiest day of your life.

Speaker 1 And then, like I said, what you think people want you to do, you have to take a step back and be like, you know what, this is for me. And I'm going to go with who makes me the happiest.
So, yeah.

Speaker 1 I want to circle back to your final three women and then get into your final two. But Dina

Speaker 1 recently went home and I was bummed for you. I was more bummed for Dina.
I mean, I know she spoke on why her family didn't want to come.

Speaker 1 I come from a family of 11

Speaker 1 like she does. I come from a very religious family like she did.
And maybe not quite as hardcore. I don't know, like being your dad being a deacon.
Very desperate.

Speaker 1 It's hardcore.

Speaker 1 But I was disappointed for her because like, you know, I don't know, like, listen, like, she's a 31-year-old woman. She's an adult woman.
I'm assuming her parents did a great job raising her.

Speaker 1 She's very accomplished. And it's like, you know, sometimes your kids are going to do things that maybe you wouldn't do.
But like, I feel like you need to show up for your kids.

Speaker 1 You know, you need to show up. I'm assuming that like her family just in no way at all supporting this journey of hers.

Speaker 1 drastically impacted your decision because, you know, as great as I've always been a big fan of Zoe throughout, throughout this season, but clearly the connection doesn't seem to be there.

Speaker 1 Her first 101 was a hometown.

Speaker 1 You and Dina really seemed to, there should seem to be something there, but it seemed like as soon as her family was like, you know, sorry, as much as you felt for her and got to meet her friends, but I got to assume that played a major role in your decisions.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to say it was as big as a factor as, you know, I really just felt bad for Dina and how she, you know, because you want your family to support you on.

Speaker 1 a big day like that, you know, to show up and rally behind you, especially when you're going to get, looking at it back, you're going to get opinions from the internet and your family has to have your back.

Speaker 1 But I think the whole situation with Zoe is just to clarify, you know, a lot of people maybe question why Zoe made it that far or things of that nature.

Speaker 1 I think, listen, with Zoe, she grew up in the South and she's a strong black woman.

Speaker 1 And the way that she comes across off camera, you know, maybe sometimes she's a little defensive and sometimes things like that come into play. But what I will say is every group date,

Speaker 1 every situation, she showed up and she gave her all.

Speaker 1 And I see see where that comes from. You know, I've dealt with that in the past where you get stigmas placed on you or things like that and you have to power through those.

Speaker 1 So I really wanted to help her grow. And I think that, you know, I'm, I, I have empathy.
I'm an empath. So like I saw that in Zoe and I saw a place for me to help her, to help build her up.

Speaker 1 I saw a place for growth where I could say, okay, this person and I could relate and I could kind of teach her or show her.

Speaker 1 not how to be, but like how to grow out of a situation when she spent majority of her childhood going through probably, you know,

Speaker 1 bullying. And, you know, you could tell that she, she was, she needed some confidence instilled in her.
So I was, I tried to be that person. Yeah, I really liked her on the show.

Speaker 1 I have enjoyed her, you know, someone who

Speaker 1 she's an engineer or something.

Speaker 1 I mean, like even that, like it's a, it's a very male-dominated profession. So her whole career, she has inserted herself that she's immediately an outsider as a, as a woman of color.

Speaker 1 Like, you know, she has to deal with feeling like that already at times.

Speaker 1 You know, the bachelor house is a very much like, there's always a handful of people who are treated differently or treated like a household because you're not part of the group.

Speaker 1 It's things like that. So I really connected with her on that level.
I'm glad she's made it as far as she has.

Speaker 1 But, you know, and I know you, you can't speak on it because we don't know, but it does seem like clearly the connection with Juliana and Latia. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, it's obvious. Like, it's, it's, it's so obvious that those are so strong.
But like, I usually, I feel like, you know, I've been pretty good, you know, at being like,

Speaker 1 that's the person, you know, I think I've called it a few times, but I truly like between Latia and Juliana,

Speaker 1 every time you're with both of them, it really seems like that's the person you're most in love with. Yeah, they both bring unique sides out of me.

Speaker 1 And, you know, I think that with Jules, with Juliana, there was something that we could relate to. I called her Jules.
I call her Jules. I called Latia TT.

Speaker 1 That's true. We did call her Latia TT.

Speaker 1 I wasn't sure if he just got a spoiler.

Speaker 1 That's true. He did call her TT.
I call her TT. So, I'm just corny like that sometimes.

Speaker 1 He likes a nickname.

Speaker 1 No, but I think that she brought a certain side out of me that was, you know, we really related over the addiction and some of the trauma we went through and how we were going to build each other up and how we could understand each other.

Speaker 1 And Latia was really nurturing. She is an amazing woman and she has so much to offer.
And I saw that.

Speaker 1 So both of them had different aspects that I kind of, that's why I had such a hard time seeing going down to those final moments.

Speaker 2 So I think I might have said that you did her a little dirty with

Speaker 2 the conversation on the rock where she's like, listen, if it's not me, like I'll go.

Speaker 1 And you were like, I'm kind of locked in.

Speaker 2 And then you sent her home that night. Right, right.

Speaker 1 I blame producers.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Nick thinks that that was a like a producer.

Speaker 3 Like keep her

Speaker 1 around.

Speaker 2 Why not let her go in that moment? Did you?

Speaker 1 Because he didn't get the

Speaker 1 bat signal. Yeah, I think that, listen, I'm not going to say, I went in there.

Speaker 1 I knew that, you know, with Carolina, the attitude that she had on the dates, you know, not a bad attitude, but her demeanor was kind of like, you know, she was questioning and doubting.

Speaker 1 And, you know, there were, obviously there were things that happened behind the scenes that weren't necessarily showed on camera.

Speaker 1 But going in there, you know, I was leaning more towards letting go of the relationship. But when, you know, she started to cry and she started to do things.
I just, I, not a thing. She did her thing.

Speaker 1 She did her thing. And I had to defuse the situation, you know, maybe, maybe it would have been a best idea to, to end the relationship there.

Speaker 1 I just, yeah, looking back at it, maybe I was trying to be too, too nice, you know, and

Speaker 1 maybe worried about my appearance or how it would look and, you know, when somebody's crying, sending them home. But at the end of the day, we definitely had a connection.

Speaker 1 I tried to mend that as much as possible, you know, and I try, because I really did have a connection with her.

Speaker 1 But all the things that got in the way and just her questioning the process and doubting me, it started to really get, get, get to me.

Speaker 1 And right there in that moment, we were, I was trying to, you know, I went in there with the mindset of maybe this is going to work out.

Speaker 1 But then I had to remember all the good things that we had and try to fight for the relationship.

Speaker 2 So to Nick's point earlier, because I have to say that like watching your season, this is one of the first bachelor seasons where like I'm not sure, fully sure watching throughout who you're going to pick because you have such good chemistry with these women.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 Did you, I don't know how I can ask this and where I'm like, did you have a first impression on somebody to where you thought maybe they would make it to the final two and it did happen or like it was the person that you picked or is it something that you like grew to have a relationship with the person and that's how they ended up being a final like did you know yeah the final two the final two women uh i i had a connection with them first night night one or even the second episode basically you know i think that a lot of people uh you know if even and i'm gonna bring this my even my connection with alex she got the first impression i was curious what happened there yeah i just our love languages were very different you know were very different.

Speaker 1 And not to say that I was more serious because I know she was serious, but she was not, she wasn't used to the romance and things like that as much, you know, and we were trying to work, but ultimately it was just, I just saw the difference there.

Speaker 1 And like I said, she was great. You know, we could have moved forward, but I just thought it was best that

Speaker 1 it didn't happen that way. But as far as my final two, I thought that, yeah, we were right on par.
I thought the connection was there from night one. Love it.

Speaker 1 Did you, have you spoken on the whole like Carolina and Rose?

Speaker 1 fiasco and like yeah it definitely comes up i was i was team grant yeah for sure because i you know

Speaker 1 i mean i know people are like out there being like he actually did say that but i was like that not in the context in which he's being accused um

Speaker 1 do you want to yeah yeah elaborate on that yeah so it definitely comes up in in the future but you know there's a difference between saying you know i'm thinking about giving reassurance somebody and then saying listen when i'm with this person i'm thinking about you like that's not how i meant it that's kind of like that gives off major major player vibes.

Speaker 1 And I wasn't trying to give that off.

Speaker 1 So I think, yeah, there's just a miscommunication there, but there's a big difference between what I said and then what was said that I said, that I said, didn't say. So looking back, do you blame,

Speaker 1 do you, do you think that was Carolina being kind of a little

Speaker 1 petty or like messy?

Speaker 1 Or do you think Rose seemed to really feel like she didn't realize what she did. She seemed as confused as you were.
Right.

Speaker 1 You know, or it's just like, I feel like at first when it happened, I was, I was more critical of Rose, but then the more the season played out, I was like, I don't know, like this, this is

Speaker 1 messy. It's definitely messy.
Carolina just like,

Speaker 1 she's not dumb. Well, she definitely is smart.
And, you know, I think that at the end of the day, it falls on me. You know, I could have done a better job of communicating that.

Speaker 1 But at the same time, I think that Carolina started to doubt the process from that moment on. So, again, I see both sides sides of it.

Speaker 1 And I understand why Carolina started to act the way that she did. Because if you're told that somebody, if you're told that, you're going to, you're going to question.

Speaker 1 So, ultimately, I think it falls on me.

Speaker 1 And maybe if I would have worded it different, or like I said, going in there, trying to reassure everybody and just because I cared, maybe that wasn't the best thing.

Speaker 1 Maybe, you know, but I, in that moment, I genuinely, I, I had a connection with Rose. You know, we, our first thing, we did the blind date, we did the blind, uh, and we, we were kissing.

Speaker 1 And, well, I mean, I was kissing everybody, but

Speaker 1 we definitely had a connection. And

Speaker 1 I saw something with her. And after that happened, it kind of just, it went, it spiraled after that.

Speaker 2 So I feel like Alicia kind of caught people the most off guard just because night one, you had a great kiss, you had great chemistry. Right.

Speaker 2 And then she kind of disappeared and then she was gone the next night. Right.
Was there anything that like happened? Or was it just like, there's just so many other women here that I'm

Speaker 1 good editing? Good editing. Yeah.
Yeah, we did, we did have a connection, Alicia and I.

Speaker 1 But after the basketball date,

Speaker 1 yeah, I just felt like I had connections that were better in the house that I wanted to explore more. And Alicia's an amazing woman.
She's, she's, she's great, but yeah, it just wasn't, wasn't for me.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 1 We are heading into fantasy suites. on uh don't let me hear my

Speaker 1 uh but going into fantasy suites you know it's a lot of pressure. It's the hardest week.
It's a lot.

Speaker 1 There's a lot of expectations from some of the ladies.

Speaker 1 Some of the ladies have boundaries like Latia, where it's like, hey, I got a very strong opinion about sex and intimacy. Other ladies are like, ready to go.

Speaker 1 You know, it's like, this is my time to land my man, you know?

Speaker 1 And you kind of have to navigate that. And various leads go in with various expectations.

Speaker 1 Did you go into fantasy suites with any like set boundaries of how you wanted to conduct yourself specifically around sex?

Speaker 1 Yeah, fantasy suites is really tricky, but I think I handled myself very well.

Speaker 1 You know, regardless, you know, like I said, I was, there's a lot of kisses, but I do feel like fantasy suites, I really reserve myself. And because when you get physical intimacy involved,

Speaker 1 it changes things. And you, your connection with somebody is probably, there could be some red flags there.
And then you guys have sex and then everything's wonderful.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 I tried to handle myself really well and I tried to be responsible.

Speaker 1 And yeah, my expectation was I wasn't going in there saying I'm not going to, but it had to be, I had to know that this person was my person in order for me to engage.

Speaker 1 And at that point, I didn't know who was my person. So he didn't fuck.
You didn't fuck.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 I didn't say that directly.

Speaker 1 You didn't say you didn't do other things. I didn't say you didn't do other things, but I handled myself well.

Speaker 1 And then also, too, like I said, there's always the pressure and the stereotype of, you know, me being the second black bachelor.

Speaker 1 You know, people are going to think I'm a player or this or that, or I'm just trying to get my rocks off. And I wasn't, you know, I went in there with real intentions.

Speaker 1 And, you know, prior to that, I had been celibate for a year. So I got, I got out of a seven relationship and I was hurting.

Speaker 1 So, like, you know, sex is great, but I wanted to make sure it was with somebody who was my person. And then we could fuck all the time.
You know, but you've had sex.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't know. I got, I don't know.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 2 Are you nervous? I mean, obviously, Women Tell All has been filmed. It airs this Monday, this upcoming Monday.

Speaker 1 Right. Does it? Next Monday.
Is it Monday?

Speaker 1 This Monday. That was an argument we had earlier.

Speaker 2 Next Monday or this Monday?

Speaker 1 This Monday, I believe, right?

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 how would you describe

Speaker 1 would you say this Monday or next Monday? Well, I mean, I think, well, what day are we at? We're Wednesday.

Speaker 1 Shit, that's a good question. I would say this Monday.

Speaker 1 The following Monday has passed, so it will be this coming Monday. Okay.

Speaker 2 How did that go for you? Were you nervous? Were you questioned? Were you interrogated?

Speaker 1 I was interrogated. You know, like I said, I was definitely, some of the ladies had questions for me, which I could understand.
You know, I could understand it's not easy being a bachelor.

Speaker 1 It's not, it's not an easy feat. It's not an easy job.
And yeah, I had to answer to some things, but like I said, I just took accountability.

Speaker 1 And the worst thing you could do in my situation is you get emotional and, you know, emotional to the point where you start to clap back and do something back.

Speaker 1 So whatever feelings you had, I just took accountability. You know, I, and I'm not perfect, you know, I, you know, I may not be the best, you know, but I did my, I did my best.

Speaker 1 And I think that the ladies perceived that well.

Speaker 1 And yeah, that's the, I did my best.

Speaker 2 So, what's the most surprising thing that you've learned about yourself going through this process?

Speaker 1 It was like a therapy session for me, honestly. You know, situation, you know, coming up, you're going to see.

Speaker 1 me reconnecting with my dad and me just knowing i had a lot of stuff inside that i was just holding in you know as a man i try to always always be strong and like

Speaker 1 try to keep that face, that brave face, but sometimes you got to let it out. You know, you got to let it out.
You got to be in tune with your emotions.

Speaker 1 And I feel like I tried that, you know, not that I tried that, but this journey really awakened that in me, you know, my emotional side.

Speaker 1 And to say, you know, it's okay to speak on how you feel as long as you're not crying everywhere.

Speaker 1 You know, but there's time, there's a point, there's a place in time to, as a man, to let yourself be vulnerable. You know, I think it's a strength.
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 And also, are you surprised that the process worked in the way that it has?

Speaker 1 No, I think the process works if you go in there and you're ready.

Speaker 1 Well, not to say that, but there's also external factors. But for me, because I was at a point where I was like super ready,

Speaker 1 I did my best to make it work, you know? And like I said, obviously there's external factors.

Speaker 1 It's both people that have to make it work. But from my end, I was ready.
I've noticed that this season is a bit truncated compared to previous ones. When I was hometown for my season was week nine.

Speaker 1 Right. It's this week six.

Speaker 1 Do you have any conversations with the producers about this being shorter than previous seasons or, you know, or did you even, did you even realize that? No, I did. I did realize it was shorter.

Speaker 1 And, you know, there's some things with the network, obviously, I don't really know, you know, maybe scheduling or things like that.

Speaker 1 Listen, I was emotionally, I was getting drained. So, I mean, I'm glad it was only six or seven weeks because I would have started to spiral if it wasn't.
Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 1 I'm thinking about about just like, in terms of like, how does that affect your ability to fall in love and things like that? I think we're, and my guess is probably not much.

Speaker 1 You know, for me, like, I kind of knew who I was going to pick fairly early on and things like that. And a lot of the other weeks and other dates are more just like the drama and the TV, TV element.

Speaker 1 So you felt like it didn't really affect your ability to connect with the people that you cared about most. No, it didn't affect my ability.
Like, I'm a lover boy.

Speaker 1 So I was falling like, you know, it doesn't take me a lot.

Speaker 1 See, I was falling, what, like week two so i was like it didn't really take a lot but it does it does when you start to fall and then you form another connection here that's where things you wish you had a little more time to kind of like really figure things out okay how scary was hometowns in the sense of like usually you're meeting somebody's just one set of parents or family or friends and it's like you did four so like

Speaker 2 back to back you know like how did that feel like having to prepare for a different was it three well dean Dean and his family didn't.

Speaker 1 Well, still friends.

Speaker 1 Friends sometimes are scarier than friends too.

Speaker 2 Friends are scarier than family sometimes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, not that I was scared. I just, you know, at first you walk in there with nerves.
You might be a little nervous.

Speaker 1 But then when you meet the families and they're so welcoming and cool, it's like, oh, like, this isn't, this isn't hard. I'm just be myself, you know?

Speaker 1 So going in there, I was a little nervous, you know, but I said, if I'm just going to be, I'm just going to be myself and whoever accepts me for me is, is, is, that's a sign.

Speaker 2 When Juliana's dad was like, hey, kissing my daughter, like, did you get a little like tighten of the stomach, or did you know he was joking?

Speaker 1 Nah, I knew he was joking.

Speaker 1 He was such a cool guy, you know. Like, I knew he was messing around.
I'd like to play a little game. Let's do it.
Okay. Let's do it.

Speaker 1 What do we got?

Speaker 1 And I want to apologize. If you are in a relationship, I do want to apologize to the one you picked because I want to ask you to describe what a life would be

Speaker 1 like

Speaker 1 with

Speaker 1 Jules. And then I want you to describe to me what a life would be like with Latia.
TT. TT.
TT. With TT.
And Zoe.

Speaker 2 We still have Zoe.

Speaker 1 You could pick up her.

Speaker 1 All respect to Zoe. Love Zoe.
But

Speaker 1 I'm just not going to make him do that.

Speaker 1 If he wants to do that, he is welcome to do that. And I know he can't say anything specifically, but this is my question.
It's my game. Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 And again, I do want to apologize if you are in a relationship with the person you are in a relationship with, because it's no fun to hear Grant describe what a relationship would be like with someone he decided not to pay.

Speaker 1 For sure. So I want to recognize that.

Speaker 1 Whoever you are to TT or Jules, this is a me question. Don't get mad at Grant.
You can hate me. Okay.
All right.

Speaker 1 Describe to me what a life with Jules would be like. I think it would be very family-orientated.
I think it would be fun. I think it would be a lot of us

Speaker 1 building each other up and healing each other from our past experiences that we went through. And I think it would be a relationship founded in friendship.
Where would y'all be living?

Speaker 1 Yeah, thank you very much.

Speaker 1 Probably on the East Coast.

Speaker 1 Probably on the East Coast. You know, I grew up on the East Coast.
So, yeah, typically maybe in the city somewhere. Okay.

Speaker 2 What would your nights look like? Are we going out to dinner? Are we cooking? Are we watching a movie? Are we hitting the clubs?

Speaker 1 Okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 We might hit a bar or two, but I think wine.

Speaker 1 Some great food,

Speaker 1 some good vibes, some good friends, and then maybe we might go out and dance. Okay.

Speaker 1 How quickly would a relationship with you and Jules result in children? Oh, man.

Speaker 1 Immediately. Yeah, I don't know about immediately.
I think that my time horizon is before I'm 35.

Speaker 1 I don't know, I'm 31. Okay.
So I think that it would be something that we take on.

Speaker 1 You know, you can't really say, you can't really, you could plan it out, but I think it would just be something that happens instead of us being like, we want it by this time.

Speaker 1 Where would your first trip together be as a couple?

Speaker 1 Probably, hmm, probably Italy. He's Italian.
Oh, yeah. So for him.
That's a good place.

Speaker 1 Okay. TT.
TT. All right.

Speaker 1 All right. Yeah, with Latia or TT, I think it would be, you know, like another relationship rooted in family.
I think that it would be a lot of similar

Speaker 1 morals that we have. I think it would be fun,

Speaker 1 loving, nurturing. I think it would be very serious.
And I think that,

Speaker 1 you know, the family aspect, it would be something that we would be getting into sooner rather than later.

Speaker 2 Yeah, her family did very much not hold back that she's ready to go.

Speaker 1 So you're talking about the kids part. Yeah, it would be like probably in a year.

Speaker 2 And where would y'all be living?

Speaker 1 But that and that does that work with your 35-year-old? Yeah, it's anywhere before 35. Oh, okay.
Yeah, anywhere before 35. So if it's like, you know, if that's 32, 33, then it's that.

Speaker 1 But if it's 35, it's just whenever it, whenever it happens. Where are y'all living?

Speaker 1 Probably somewhere. either on the east coast or somewhere in Utah.
Aren't you in Texas now? I'm in Texas. So you're getting the fuck out of Texas.

Speaker 1 Oh, I've been there for a while.

Speaker 1 I have property there, so it's like I could leave that. And for me, I've been alone for a while.
So I probably would

Speaker 1 go to where my fiancé is happy. You know what I'm saying? And I would probably build around that.
What's Jules' favorite movie? And what's TT's favorite movie?

Speaker 1 Damn, that's a good question.

Speaker 1 I would say

Speaker 1 for Latia,

Speaker 1 I think it would definitely be a rom-com like the notebook. I know it's cliche, but we had talked about that.
That's a good movie.

Speaker 1 And I I think for Juliana, it would probably be the godfather, the Goodfellas? What is it?

Speaker 1 There's Goodfellows and Godfather.

Speaker 1 She's Italian. The Godfather.

Speaker 1 The Godfather. For sure.
The Goodfellas Godfather.

Speaker 1 Who's cooking in each of these relationships? I cook. You know, I love to cook.

Speaker 1 That's the way that my dad kind of like showed love to me. He would like.
make me food and it was weird because he would like watch me eat it

Speaker 1 i don't know it was a weird thing but i probably would cook but we we both cook you know there's room for room for growth both of us Room for growth. Room for growth, you know?

Speaker 1 Room for growth in that.

Speaker 2 Who's making the bed?

Speaker 1 I'm not the best bed maker. So

Speaker 2 you know what Nick said the other day? He hasn't made a bed since middle school.

Speaker 1 I'm with you, bro. My mind is like all over the place.
So, you know, I don't make my bed like that.

Speaker 1 What's the point? What's the point?

Speaker 2 That is not true because if he gets into a bed that's not made, he's like, really wish this was made.

Speaker 1 So now that I have a wife who can make my bed, like, I was like, do you want to mess with it?

Speaker 1 No, but seriously, when you, there's something good about getting into a bed, it's better sleeping in a bed that's made than when that's not. Sure, it's true,

Speaker 1 it is true, yeah.

Speaker 2 I'm like, yuck, right before you get in at night, you can like straighten out

Speaker 1 right, bring it. I'm sticking with my children, I think he picks Jules.

Speaker 2 Well, I am, I love Latia so much. Um, so I'm hoping it's her.
Jules has been my day one.

Speaker 2 I will say, on first episode, I picked Latia and Jules to be final two. Yeah, so what, what, what she did, what gave that away?

Speaker 1 She was eyes,

Speaker 1 It's like really obvious.

Speaker 1 I actually, I did not.

Speaker 2 I think it was just, I saw the connection. I think they are both so stunning.
I think they're both so smart. I think they're funny.
I think y'all had a good connection.

Speaker 2 I want it to be Latia just because.

Speaker 1 She's amazing. I don't know.

Speaker 2 I just see it. I just see it.
We did say that Latia looks like she is like a creature, like a siren, like a creature from like.

Speaker 1 When she was riding that horse in the woods, I was like,

Speaker 1 all this long. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Me creature in the best possible way. Like Bambi, like that, like she's like, yeah.

Speaker 2 But obviously, if it's Juliana, I also like love her and like wanted you to pick her as well. You know what I'm saying? I am team both.

Speaker 1 We have to, we got to tune in and see. I think you had an amazing connection with both.
I think you really were torn.

Speaker 1 And I think as much of a man as a god as you might be, I feel like Latia's faith is unique and different than yours.

Speaker 1 And I can't help but wonder, well, I think regardless, that made your choice challenging, right?

Speaker 1 because she's very passionate about her religion and like you had six or seven weeks to get to know all these women right you know and both these women and i don't know like i feel like it would be impossible in that environment in your shoes to get whatever clarity you would need to know is like, is this something we could make work?

Speaker 1 We could do like you clearly had all the respect in the world for her faith and her family and they were wonderful to you and very welcoming.

Speaker 1 But like, I think whatever decision you made, you made a huge leap of faith because

Speaker 1 that's the choice. It's always a leap of faith.
You're saying, like, in the timeframe that we had, that being a question was a really

Speaker 1 decision that that's another decision you have to figure out. That's another leap of faith.
It's like, it's one thing, you know, can we are we compatible?

Speaker 1 And I feel like ultimately, that's why you ended up picking Jules. Well, we gotta, we gotta see.
You know, that's a tune in, you know?

Speaker 1 You picked fucking Zoe after all, though.

Speaker 1 Crazy.

Speaker 2 Did you see that Alex said that you playing?

Speaker 1 It was an Ig.

Speaker 1 I saw that. You know, like I said, I tried, I've never done that before.
I tried something new. We were in the mall, and the producer just brought out a piano.
I'm like, well, fuck it.

Speaker 1 See, that's right. I was like, I might as well just go fuck it.
But, you know, I don't regret it. You know, I tried something, put myself out there.
You know, I'm she's the goofy one. Yeah,

Speaker 1 I thought you liked fun and games. If anything, Alex was the one that I thought she would receive that.
You brought out a llama. You brought out a llama.

Speaker 1 But, yo, like, it's not something I, you know, I think it was something that, you know, I tried it, you know. You tried.
You win some, you lose some.

Speaker 1 Overall, just you happy you said yes to this experience? Yeah, I'm very happy. I'm very happy.
I learned a lot about myself, and, you know, the outcome was, I'm happy with.

Speaker 2 When you released Party Girls,

Speaker 2 great song. Great song.

Speaker 1 First of all. Listen, there's mixed reviews, but

Speaker 1 I did it because that's how I was feeling today. Did the producers, did they, did they know you were going to? No, I just did it i i went rogue i went

Speaker 1 to you know you know something there the original idea was you know because love and music are synonymous so there was gonna be like a story for each episode with each woman and night one was a party you know but then they said no yeah it immediately i got so much backlash i was really let the fuck in that was like pull that shit in like it's not don't do it i'm like oh i mean that's that's me it's good man like that's my personality you know like i i'm creative i like to have fun and love doesn't have to look one way it's not linear.

Speaker 1 We're going to make that a bop this summer.

Speaker 1 I think you should lean in when you get done. To that end, obviously, you know, I know when I say what's next, and you're going to be like, I'm going to focus on love and like going back to normal.

Speaker 1 But, like, listen, this is an incredible opportunity you were gifted. I had turned that opportunity into what I'm doing now.
It opened up a lot of doors for me.

Speaker 1 Like, this experience does give you incredible access, right? Right.

Speaker 1 So, like, all the, you know, fans and like pressuring you into like not talking about this opportunity because I think you can both be serious about finding love and take advantage of this gift that you were given like what would you like to do next and how would you like to use this opportunity you don't get to say give back no no no

Speaker 1 you know like because yes you will give back I am sure you will donate your time and you will use it for good but selfishly what do you want to do with this experience and how would you like to to to to utilize it yeah I think in love there's a whole obviously the bachelor has a very

Speaker 1 they have an audience that's been with them for so long. I think that on the other side, there's people that, that see it a little differently, you know?

Speaker 1 So in my creative mind, I'm like, okay, well, how could you kind of be the host of a show where you match me? You know, so I came up with this concept. It's called spin the block.

Speaker 1 It would be a woman or a lady who would be the prize and then a man who maybe needed needs an upgrade. He would come to her.
She has a choice to say like, okay, would you want to date this guy?

Speaker 1 No, he has a chance to spend the day with me being me and then i would you know teach him how to dress teach him how to talk you know maybe i'll teach him how to is this a tv show no

Speaker 1 like a like a youtube series but it would have to be obviously approved but it would and then after that after he's you ever seen hitch i have yep it would be me playing the role of hitch and then after that he comes back and then if they like each other after he quote unquote spun the block it would you know you should ask for uh approval

Speaker 1 yeah i gotta yeah but i obviously i gotta i gotta see what but that's just a concept you know so something like that you're obviously a creative person and

Speaker 1 your creativity has talent behind it. So that's a fun idea.

Speaker 1 I hit fuck, man. Like, I trial.

Speaker 1 If that doesn't work out, man, just keep fucking swinging. Keep retrying things.
I was roller skating, doing shirtless Bob Ross paintings.

Speaker 1 I was

Speaker 1 trying it all, man. You try it.

Speaker 1 You got to figure it out. Figure it out.
And I think that has a cultural relevance to it. Like I said,

Speaker 1 that's a saying that people say

Speaker 1 in culture.

Speaker 1 Like, I i'm gonna spin the block it's something that it's culturally relevant and it may be open to a different audience that sees love a little differently than what's presented on the bachelor well that's awesome man well very excited to see how things play out for you uh whoever you end up with it sounds like you have uh some great uh women uh at at the at the end and um wait one more question go ahead ask

Speaker 1 How nervous are you to talk to

Speaker 1 your runner-up? I'm not nervous. I think that obviously I'm going to have to answer to some things, you know, which is,

Speaker 1 that's normal, but I lay with my heart and I laid it out there. And you can't go wrong as long as you're honest and as long as you put it all out there.
So I'm not nervous.

Speaker 1 Do you anticipate hurt feelings? I do. I do.
I mean, I would be hurt.

Speaker 1 Have you made any contact whatsoever with that person since filming? No, I didn't.

Speaker 1 And the reason being, and just out of respect for everybody, I just don't feel like it's, I don't think it's the right thing. I think that, you know, things will be answered on that day.

Speaker 1 To your knowledge, are Jules and Latia close?

Speaker 1 I'm not sure. I'm not sure.
No. Okay.
All right, Grant. It's been fun talking to you, man.
Wish you the best of luck. Excited to see if you are with someone.

Speaker 1 I anticipate that you might be and excited to see who that is. And,

Speaker 1 you know, selfishly, I do hope you run up a little piss so that we can like

Speaker 1 have some drama. But like, listen, man, like, you, you, you should be really proud of how you handled yourself.
You were an exceptional bachelor. Appreciate it.
I think so.

Speaker 1 And, you know, congratulations on your journey and excited to see how it ends. Means a lot coming from you, Nick.
I appreciate it, man, for real. All right, buddy.
Thank you, guys. Thank you.

Speaker 1 Hope you guys enjoyed this episode. Thank you to our guests, Ingrid Andres and Grant Ellis.
So much fun talking to both of them.

Speaker 1 Be sure to join us tomorrow for a very electric and awesome going deeper with one of the finalists from Traders. It's definitely going to be the person you want to hear from from the most.

Speaker 1 I promise you that. Also, if you haven't listened to Tuesday's reality recap, Taylor and Green was with us along with Carolyn from Traders.
It was a wild and wacky episode.

Speaker 1 Be sure to check that out as well. We'll see you tomorrow.
Bye.