E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names

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I am your host, Nick. And is it next Monday or is it this Monday when talking about next week? It's next Monday.
Yeah, you're talking about next week. So next Monday.
March 10th. So you're saying March 10th.
This coming Monday. This coming.
This upcoming. This next Monday.
It's the next Monday that's coming up. So it would be the next Monday.
That Monday is coming. But at what point in the week? Like on Saturday, are you saying next Monday? No, you're saying Monday.
Monday. So at what point do you need a next or a...
Because we're in this week. This like active week.
Saturday is this week. Yeah, but we're in like the middle of the week It's the next week It's not this current week so it would be next Monday But it also could be this Monday Because it's this coming Monday But at what point are you I like to pick and choose Like if I just said today, today is Wednesday? If I told you a story about something that happened on Monday On Wednesday, I say this past Monday This Monday I went to No no no no no no You said which one? This past or this? Which one? This Monday This Monday implies the next Monday I have to read y'all a DM that I got Was it on your Instagram story? What was it? Was it this Monday Or last Monday? Yeah was it Tuesday? Was it last Tuesday? Was it yesterday? It was yesterday.
Okay. Yeah.
And on Thursday, will it be past Tuesday? Okay, shut up. This is why people struggle to learn English, and I understand.
Clearly, this is a great debate. So I posted a mirror picture of my outfit.
Very boring, very basic, very typical, like throw it on the story type of post.

And I received a DM from this woman and she says...

This might be one of my faves.

Nally from time to time gets an occasional DM from a fan.

This one might be one of my faves.

Sorry, I have to unfollow you.

The fact that you post only things about yourself is not for me.

I know a lot of your followers want to know what's going on in your life.

I don't care.

I'm going to in your life. I don't care.
However, I do care what you end doors. End doors.
E-N-D D-O-O-R-S. End doors.
Are the doors in the room with us? I'm not sure. End doors.
And your beliefs. Just a little too much self-centered post for me.
Happy life to you. Oh, she wished you a happy life.
And then she did, in fact, unfollow. It was, you know, she wished her well.
What are you supposed to post on your Instagram? What do you typically end doors? I don't feel like I, she cares about what, like, the shirt I end doors and, like, pants I end doors. But if it's me, she's not interested.
Oh, she doesn't care about who's in the pants. No, can't.
Did you not tag your outfit? Is that why? I didn't. Oh, now you're not doing this for the greater good.
How dare you? As someone who's a notoriously bad speller, I know the state of mind that she was in when she sent that. And it was a rush.

It was a panic.

It was a bit of a rage.

It was like, I gotta get,

I gotta tell her I'm unfollowing her immediately.

She did not have time to think it through

or proofread.

It was like,

she really needed to get it out.

No, she sent in doors with confidence.

Yeah.

Yeah.

We've all,

I mean, we have not all been there

of like randomly DMing someone

we don't know to tell them

we're unfollowing them,

but we have all been on the other side of a, like I did have to unsend like three different things from our group chat yesterday because I kept like mislinking and misspelling things, you know? I mean, I guess. I just feel like if you're going to send someone kind of like not a nice message being like, hey, what you post for me i'm out of here maybe like spell things right yeah i don't know yeah you're like if you're gonna hate in technicolor yeah get the get the specs correct exactly i just love the need to tell you as to why versus just doing i know one of my favorite quotes is like this is an airport you don't need to announce your departure.
Literally. Do you indoors nipple cream? I do, actually.
Yeah, I do. Kylie Jenner and Carrie Coon are agreeing that you should be using nipple cream on your lips.
What does nipple cream do? Yes. Nipple cream is like when.
Yes. Nipple cream is what you use when you're breastfeeding because they're like cracked and hurting and burning and like my lips yeah some would say like so what so they're saying the nipple cream on you don't have to put as much chapstick on if your lips are chapped they're not burning sure yeah okay yeah i don't want to give people any ideas anyways we have a great episode for you today uh current bachelor What ideas would they get from that? Like you have herpes or something? I don't know what else would cause a deep burn in your lips Well when they're chapped they do burn Sunburn Hot sauce They're red and burning Yes hot sauce You just went on an episode of Hot Ones Pineapples You need a littleipple cream Wait, pineapples make your lip burn? I mean, I guess you have a crack in your lip For sure Citric acid You bit your lip accidentally Well, we have a very fantastic episode for you Your current Bachelor, Grant Ellis Returns to the show to give us an update on his life His journey in love And everything that's going on with The Bachelor So that should be be exciting to hear from Grant.
Also, we have a very special interview before Grant shows up. Ingrid Andress is with us.
You probably know her from her amazing music and songwriting, but also you may have heard of her national anthem experience during the MLB All-Star Game that did not go her way. she famously now was inebriated and under the influence, and it was, you know, by her own admission, a terrible performance, and she checked into rehab after that to try to fix whatever problem she had.
But she is with us talking about that experience for the very first time. Very excited to talk to Ingrid, and that will be coming up shortly.
Also, don't forget that we have a very special Going Deeper tomorrow with one of your finalists from this season's Traders finale. It's going to be a good one.
Very excited for you to hear from this guest. We will be posting the Juicy Zizzle as the finale of Traders ends tonight.
It's going to be wild wacky and fun do not miss it that is tomorrow set your calendars set your alarms be with us tomorrow it is a great episode are you kidding me i'm losing my mind would you be pissed if um you told your best friend like the name for our next baby and then they used it? Livid. You would be livid.
Especially our boy name? That tracks. No, I would definitely be a little upset.
But I think also it's like, we'll just have two of the same names. Who cares? You confided in your best friend.
A friend. A co-worker.
Anyone. And they were like, oh, that's cool.
And then you found out that they stole it.

You have to assume that that baby comes first, right?

So this would be a pregnant friend

or a friend that has a spouse that's pregnant or something.

So you're clearly telling them in confidence, are you not?

And you're telling them with the assumption

that they're not going to use it because they're pregnant.

You're like, do you have a baby name?

And you're like, oh my God, yes. And you're like, oh my God.
And they're not going to use it because they're pregnant. You're like, do you have a baby name? And you're like, oh, my God, yes.
And you're like, oh, my God. And they're like, oh, and then you find out they take it.
That's a violation. Would you cut them off? Yeah.
You would no longer be friends with them? It would change the relationship. This is stemming from a mom says her best friend stole her baby name and she wants to know if she should cut her off.
She said the woman was getting her hair done by her best friend, who's her stylist, and they were discussing her baby name picks as the friend was struggling to find a name. The woman brought up that her pick was Evelyn May.
Fast forward to the friend giving birth and the friend took Evelyn and also May. See, even middle.
Not also May. The hyphen is what really gets me.
I don't know if it's hyphen. I think is first middle Either way That's not just one That's two Our boy name We got the first and the second First and middle Whatever I have always loved the name Scarlett And the name Charlotte I loved the name Scarlett when I was like 10 years old.
You shouldn't have been naming kids. And then my sister had a baby named Scarlett.
And then my cousin had a baby named Charlotte. And I was like, oh my God, people, seriously.
And my sister was like, listen, name your kid Scarlett. Name your kid Charlotte.
That's completely different. Do you think the men should get, I'm not asking you.
Do you think the men should get as much say in the baby's name? Because they get last name. Yeah.
And you carry and birth and do everything for the baby. You breastfeed, you go through postpartum.
Do you think your names trump dad's names? I think so. It just depends.
I feel like you obviously have to be on the same page. But like if you happen to walk out and the nurse comes in with the birth certificate and I gave them the name that I like the best, what are we going to do about it? You weren't there.
You weren't there. You're toxic.
Whatever. I'm also like, is it is it kind of your fault for talking to a pregnant person about your number one baby name? Like that's kind of like a kiss of death.
your best friend that's a circle of trust i hope she said you can't tell anyone or like promise you can't you use it or are we workshopping or like did she ask her to sign an nda if you went to a friend's house or something i don't know and you i don't know had a envelope full of cash and you left it there and

for some reason i don't know and they and you said can you watch this or whatever and then instead they went to the casino and spent it i mean i guess you can blame that you can be like oh well i guess i shouldn't have left a envelope of cash they spent it but like that would probably change the relationship would it not would you like maybe think of them differently which they would definitely be like a thief. For sure.
And this person, Evelyn May, her mom is a thief. She stole a name.
Thief of joy. It'd be one thing if you just took the middle name, but the first or maybe just the first name, like Evelyn, common name, whatever, you could like, you could scoot your way around it.
But first and middle is pretty red handed. Middle names are fair game.
You don't get dibs on any type of middle name i think she only took may if she was like mary may or eve may no fucking problem but evelyn may she took the whole thing this is why you keep the names in the notes up that's what i'm saying don't let them leave there exactly i i i know i see i think you should be able to share it with the understanding that like so especially if you ask if you ask oh what are you thinking about for names oh do you have any names picked out you're being fucking nosy by all means be nosy but that is you basically saying you can trust me there's an implication there that like hey listen just wanna i'm just asking i'm being friendly but if you didn't take that name and give it away, tell other friends. Same thing, if I tell you the baby name and then I find out your other pregnant friend that I'm not even friends with stole that name, absolutely fucking canceled.
Well, that's the thing. If it's not your best friend, it's the person eavesdropping your conversation right next to you.
But you don't know them. You don't know them.
That's completely different. Your babies aren't going to interact and have to like fight because they have the same name but they might be in kindergarten together and now they're going to fight over having the same name it's really it's it's not even not about the same name because i do think like when we when river was born like when we came up with the name we thought like oh we were like this name and it felt a little unique and yada yada yada and then like she was born and then realized that like it's the most popular name of the year it's like when you start like hooking up with a guy who drives like a white truck and then you start seeing a white truck everywhere yeah you know and you're like oh my god there he is there he is oh my god he's at one more oh my god he's at mcdonald's and then it's just a white truck and it's like yeah we saw we saw river everywhere i am kind of glad though because like when she goes to school it gives you character to like have to share a name it's's just like it's the principle of your friend taking the both names.
Yeah that actually happened in an episode of Sex and the City. Samantha absolutely read someone to filth because someone took Charlotte's baby's name.
Yeah I remember that. Well Gabby Wendy married Robbie Hoffman.
Yay! How exciting. They did it in a $799 Las Vegas wedding.
And're iconic. And it looked like it was just the two of them, and I guess a priest, and I guess a photographer.
That's how you do it. A priest? Maybe Elvis.
I don't know. I didn't see.
I was guessing a priest didn't marry them. In Vegas? You don't think it'd be someone dressed up like a priest? When you say priest, I think Catholic priest.
If you say presider.

Why would I say presider?

Because that's what it is.

I don't know.

Preside over the wedding?

Isn't it like officiant?

Oh, officiant.

Yeah.

I just love it when a hot couple gets married.

I'm really happy for them.

Yeah.

That's $799.

I feel like with Gabby looking the way she did,

aka stunning and an amazing dress.

I feel like I looked for that dress for my welcome party, so glad she found it. It's very on brand for Gabby Wendy.
To look so stunning and be like, it was $799. Natalie, similar to the baby name stealing, what would you do if somebody stole your dress? If you showed your friend and you were like, this is my dress.
And then all of a sudden they have the dress. Well, first of all, Nali would only get her dress from the great ladies at sync.
And they are very original, very custom and very hard to replicate. That's not true.
They have dresses that they're not all custom. You can make a custom if you want to like pay for it, but they have a lot of dresses that like everyone else wears.
And I remember I definitely I would get like mad at them, like play mad, but also like if you bitches don't lock it the fuck up because they would be like posting my dress on their Instagram being like, oh, the Gail is like so beautiful and this and that.

And I would be like, stop it.

You're showing people my dress.

And it was like I was the only one who knew that it was my dress.

But I definitely would get mad at them for sharing it. So, but I would be just as pissed, I think.
I did not realize that Adrienne Brody's girlfriend, wife, is it girlfriend? I still don't know. Girlfriend.
Girlfriend. It's girlfriend, though? It's confirmed girlfriend.
They are not married. Not married because her ex-husband was Harvey Weinstein.
Are they even still officially exes? Has he signed divorce papers in prison? I don't know, but I think so. The kids he referenced on his speech.
Are Harvey's kids. The kids didn't do nothing.
No, no, no. I just feel like we should make that clear.
Or her. Or her.
From jail? Apparently, Adrian Brody and his girlfriend Did allegedly get together When she was still married to Harvey Weinstein But I don't imagine she was happy And I don't feel bad for Harvey Weinstein Yeah, I don't either Yeah, I don't think Harvey's going to be a Ariana-Megg No, the way that this headline starts Is disgraced film mogul and convicted Rapist Harvey Weinstein Reacts to Adrian Brody mentioning his children with ex-wife. I hope it brings him great distress.
But he did have a response to Adrian Brody's Oscar speech in mentioning his children. What did he say? So, Weinstein's rep told The Post on Monday, Harvey's happy for Georgina and grateful that his kids are being loved and cared for as they deserve to be.

He didn't say that.

He definitely didn't say that. His PR said that.

His publicist said that. He said, fuck that

and fuck them. Imagine, what's

a worse job than, okay,

question. Harvey Weinstein's publicist,

what is a worse job than that?

No one's making them do it.

That's true. There's plenty of worse jobs.

They could quit. They could quit.
They could quit. They don't have to do it.
No one's making them do it. And like plenty of worse jobs they could quit they could quit they could quit they don't have to do it no one's making them do it and like I don't know keeps them busy maybe they find it fun you're getting paid how do I spin this yeah did you see Millie Bobby Brown shut the fuck I'm really proud of her did you see Millie Bobby Brown shut all of these journalists up she named names she named names and Lucas, we think he's in a position to talk about anyone's appearance.
Have you seen this man? Well, what he was saying in his apology is that he didn't mean for, he posted a quote of like a character from a sketch that he did that she kind of looked like. And then he didn't mean it.
He said he didn't mean it as a joke. Or he didn't mean it as like an insult to her appearance.
What's going on here? This is the man who she, one of the men, she called out Millie Bobby Brown for commenting about her appearance. This is, oh my God.
People are saying that Millie Bobby Brown, since she's dyed her hair blonde and whatnot, that she's got, that she's aged herself and is like having this mommy makeover even though she's what 23 25 it's 21 it's honestly the the comments she's been getting are so bad they're like really really mean comments and it's crazy because I saw these two it was like back to back so it's Millie Bobby Brown and then it was Pamela Anderson who's like gone very natural she like doesn't wear makeup on the red carpet anymore. And to Pamela Anderson, they're all saying like, oh, my God, like you've got to put on makeup like this is you like are aging yourself.
You look so old. This is this like it's ugly.
Millie Bobby Brown. It's like she's doing too much.
She looks too old, you know, just like the hypocrisy of that. But Millie Bobby Brown posted a Instagram video saying she wanted to take a moment to address something that I think is bigger than just me, something that affects every young woman who grows up under public scrutiny.
I started in this industry when I was 10 years old. I grew up in front of the world.
And for some reason, people can't seem to grow with me. The fact that adult writers are spending their time dissecting my face, my body, my choices, it's disturbing.
Disillusioned people can't handle seeing a girl become a woman on her terms not theirs i refuse to apologize for growing up i refuse to make myself smaller to fit the unrealistic expectations of people who can't handle seeing a girl become a woman and then she basically calls out every not every but a few read the headlines that they wrote and then the person who wrote it was yeah and she was disgusted because it was a majority of them were women writing these articles

with disgusting titles.

It's gross.

It also reminds me kind of of Britney Spears growing up where it was just like the second

that it was like a midriff or whatever.

She's 16.

She's 18.

She's 22.

It's like, it does not matter how old she got.

Everyone was criticizing.

You're too sexy.

You're too this.

And it's like, why can't anybody like, why can't a woman that you've seen since she was

a child?

Why is everyone else allowed to grow up?

But they're not.

Yeah.

And like, why are we allowed to comment on like how we think that they should be presenting

that's what lot of thought. There's not an objective thought.
Mrs. Indoors, you know, like I don't think she's sitting there and thinking, does this make sense? Should I be doing this? He just decided that like, she has something to say.
She wanted to say it. And Nally was her subject.
And it's like, but but it is crazy that matt lucas's response is i would not have posted it if i had thought it would have upset you but i realize it has and for that i apologize it's like really you wouldn't have posted that if you thought it would upset her you didn't think like a mean comment about her body and about her would upset her yeah you kind of just have to right? I mean... Be like, I fucked up.
I thought it was funny. Definitely not funny.
My bad. I apologize.
He also said, for that, I apologize, which means he's not apologizing for what he did. He's apologizing for her being upset with what he did.
So that's where it's like... To some degree, it's like, we would give commentary on the show.
I'm assuming at times we say things that offend people or rub people the wrong way but like to that end we do have to like own it it's like it's one thing to say it and be like oh my god i didn't realize that would hurt your feelings or upset you it's like sometimes you have to say i'm sorry that upset you that necessarily wasn't my intention but you kind of have to own it in a way like this guy it's just like just fucking own that you said it and apologize for hurting her but like yeah, stay with your chest. It is wild, like, that he thinks he's in a position.
I mean, that's the thing. It's just like, just comment on someone's look.
No, it's crazy. And like, not look in the mirror.
To think that you're in a position to come after a 21-year-old woman's looks and it's him is. Someone who has like been the limelight since they were 10.
I mean, it got... Crazy.
You can only imagine what the internal mental struggle might be for Millie Bobby Brown to decide what she wants her look to be. Because she has all these voices of...
God, I mean, this is probably 1% of all the trash that has been written about her comments like these are these are these are headlines like for like i mean imagine what her dms look like or comments on instagram it's uh atrocious i'm sure people love to troll millie bobby brown too yeah ever since she was little like she was a kid like even like just from my perspective as a queer person like people love to throw around like oh millie bobby brown is homophobic sheobic. She hit me with her car.
And it's like she did none of that. She did none of that ever.
People just love to like her specifically. Yeah, it just like became a joke.
Who knows? Because the Internet loves to troll her. And that's what's unfortunate for her.
It was just like someone was like joking and lying one time and then like on the Internet. And then it caught on and became like a thing.
And it's just, yeah, you, you would think that like with how many child stars have come and gone and like experienced so much trauma and had their lives ruined that people would be a bit more careful nowadays, but it's just the way the world. Are these British headlines? Cause they are notoriously cruel to celebrities.
Yeah. It's the humor.
More lack thereof. Two more with a U.
Monica Garcia is pregnant. Congratulations, Monica.
She posted a very beautiful little spread with People Magazine celebrating her pregnancy. Is this the same guy that she was talking about when she was with us and talked about her then-pregnancy, which sadly she lost that pregnancy? So congratulations to her and her rainbow baby.
I learned what that was, sadly, when Natalie and I experienced miscarriage. Very beautiful that Monica and her partner are now expecting a child.
So congratulations to her. I DM'd her.
I haven't heard back from her. I gotta find her number.
She's busy responding to all the comments. She's really supportive to her fan base.
I love it. That's sweet.
Did you respond to my comment? Did you comment? I did. I'd say congratulations.
Oh yeah, maybe you need a comment. She'd comment like congratulations.
Check your DM. One of those.
Jax Taylor. Jax Taylor is in the news again.
And what is not shocking news. Telling page six.
He has had a cocaine addiction. Cocaine? Cocaine.
Cocaine. For what, 10 years, he said? He said on and off since I was 23 and I'm 45.
I mean, great of him that he's able to come out and admit that. I'm sure that was very hard for him to do.
I feel for Brittany. I feel like she is finally able to kind of like speak more honestly about their relationship.
I'm sure she was like protecting this for him. So she actually did come out and say, I'm glad that he finally admitted to what was really going on.
For the first time, I can speak openly about the extent of trauma he's instilled on our family over the years. I've tried desperately to help him without success.
I pray that one day he completely knocks this addiction, but I'm skeptical. His behaviors are still alarming and his treatment plan seems to be the bare minimum.
I'm trying to navigate this as best as I can for my son and I, but every day is still a challenge and very difficult. Jax has caused an enormous amount of damage, and I have very little trust in him at this point.

My only hope is that one day

he will be a better person for his son.

I mean, he sounds like a monster.

And also, like, it just did the time.

Do we know when The Valley comes out?

Not announced yet.

It's not announced, but in spring.

Yes, quote, soon, end quote.

It just always feels like self-promotion, you know?

Who, Jax?

Yeah.

I mean, happy for him that he is at a point in his life where he can get sober.

I hope it continues, you know?

I mean, he's admitting in this kind of conversation with Page Six,

he's saying that he lost it and went crazy in the car with his son, Cruz, in the backseat,

which is why he went back to rehab.

That's when he said, shit, I have a problem. It's still there.
And that's after seeing a man's name on Britney's phone that like he had his son in his car and lost it and went crazy in the car. I will say that in Vanderpump Rules, you can see like there.
I think it was Jax's wedding, but there's like a dish on like a counter that like while they're getting ready for the wedding that it's just kind of like if you see it, you saw it.

Must have been missed in the editing.

But like, yeah, it's just like it's it's the number one guy in the group.

Infamous pasta situation.

The amount of people who put Jax Taylor on some sort of pedestal during Scandival just

because they hated Tom Sandoval so much.

And like for a brief moment, everyone was like praising Jax because he decided to ride the hate Tom Sandoval just because they hated tom sandoval so much and like for a brief moment everyone was like praising jacks because he decided to ride the hate tom sandoval train that always really just irritated me because it was all bullshit and it was just people just like looking the other way because it was like in vogue to hate on tom but like why they forgot about all of jack's past transgressions clearly he had never. There was no evidence that he made any attempt at any type of changes in his life.
And now we are reminded of that. Well, I was like, I don't know if you remember, but during that period of time, Jack's obviously wasn't on television.
So Jack's was crusading, starting his podcast, talking about fatherhood and how he's such a changed man and marriage. So it was like he was very much promoting himself as a family man while Tom Sandoval.

So he felt like he was the authority to speak on it because he knows firsthand who Tom Sandoval

was.

He was the one that was also furthering that narrative.

But then clearly behind closed doors was treating his family like shit and doing drugs.

Absolutely.

He has only shown us that he's a terrible person.

There's never been a redeeming moment since he's been on since he's been in public.

I'm, yeah. Who did it? Who do you think? Monkeys.
Spoiler alert. No, I think it's the monkeys.
I think a monkey got a gun, and I think they're trying to kill the monkeys, and I think it's representative of how they're all animals in there. Well, off of yours, and I'm thinking that maybe a monkey went crazy, and the gunshots that we heard is them trying to kill the monkey.
Mm-hmm. Well, and they're leading us to think that the mom is the one that might have been killed, right? Is one of the people that might have been.
Yeah, the mom, the therapist, the masseuse, who's there for training. But it's definitely one of the white guys that have the gun.
Yeah. Like it has to be one of the white guys.
Well, because it's Tanya's ex. No, it's definitely not.
I know. It's definitely not Gary.
Greg? Greg. Greg.
I was like, they all have the same name. She did think his name was Gary, though, wasn't it? He changed his name, right? Or was it always Greg? I think it was always Greg.
Oh. Maybe.
I fell asleep during this episode, so y'all are just ruining it for me. I'm an episode behind, actually.
I do think we need to do spoiler warnings. No.
Oh, we're just speculating who we thought. We haven't talked about anything in the last episode.
We thought we'd do it. We're literally just speculating who might have done it.

I was like, maybe one of the housewives.

It's like, finally, it's time.

I actually hate you.

I don't think it's any of the old white men.

Oh, no, it's definitely one of them.

The creepy one going to Bangkok or the one that has a scam that made him $10 million?

I definitely don't think it's either of them.

Walter Goggins is not doing anything wrong.

He just wants to smoke weed. It's too predictable.
It is, but they're both hiding too much. They're all involved in something, something much more insidious.
I think they could be the reason maybe something escalates, but I don't think they're the one doing the shooting. Okay, so then it's either the bodyguard or the manager of the hotel.
The bodyguards are definitely somehow involved. They definitely whip out their guns for sure.
Wait, no, I think that Greg did change his name because she calls him by the name that she met. Was it Gary? Him, and the whole thing is that Tanya, Jennifer Coolidge's character, was with that man in the last season.
That was season one, though. Season one, and then he hired people to kill her watched season two.
Greg's been in every season. Yeah.
Greg sucks. He's the number one White Lotus op.
Anyways, moving on. Well, what I did watch is Beverly Hills Housewives.
We finally got to see the scene of Kathy walking on the runway. And it was just as iconic.
It was. She's awesome.
Her limping coming out. I think I broke my knee.
of the thing. Sutton! Sutton! Do you want to have Dorit and see? You know, as nervous as Sutton was, she was like, get the fuck away from me.
Like, no! But also, Kathy, you're making amazing television. Like, oh, you're gonna...
Do you want Dorit, the person you hate the most, narrate and star in your fashion show oh my god no go find your seat kathy also when they're like her and kyle are getting mammograms and they're talking about mo and she's like you know there's way we could find this house i mean they love so much and kyle's like no no she's like who has bigger boobs can you can you remind me sierra because you've been watching this longer than i have like where did the like kind of vitriol and hate from garcelle and sutton start towards dorit like when they had this lunch right and it seemed like or dinner or whatever and it seemed like a very fairly civil lunch between garcelle and dorit and then at the end garcelle was like well i'm still gonna keep one eye open and it was like when i open like what is dorit done that makes like sutton garcelle act like dorit is like untrustworthy or like she's up to no good or like she's i mean yeah like she's been a little petty these past couple episodes and and maybe kind of instigated fights with sutton but like you know this all stems from how again now how Sutton and Garcelle have constantly treated Dorit. I mean, there's a point in time where Sutton and Garcelle both were the new person.
And to Justin's point a couple of weeks ago that it was like, Dorit was a part of the Mean Girls. The Fox 4.
The Fox 4. Like Lisa Renna ruining lives.
Like she aided in that. So it's like she would always be making comments and things to where it's like people Dorit's smarter than people give her credit for and that's kind of what Sutton says it's very like you know what you're saying when you say it and Dorit's like I didn't realize that that made you feel this way or whatever it is and it's like so many times you can take hit after hit and be like you didn't realize like you didn't realize so they're just defensive against her because she was a bully she was yeah she was a part of the group of of the girls that were bullies.
And now that like- Why doesn't Kyle get that same treatment? Because Kyle's the star of the show. This is the first season I've ever seen where Kyle even kind of had a bad edit in the beginning of the season where I'm like, I was like, oh my God, I think Bravo turned on her because she did that interview with Mauricio's show because you've never seen a bad edit or like somebody bringing up Mauricio's cheating allegations.
That would have been cut from a season. And then we had it just like an abrupt, well, your husband has some infidelity rumors.
And she was clearly caught off guard being like, what are you talking about? And they would usually edit that out, but they kept it in. So that's where I'm like, Kyle's getting hers too.
But it's just, I understand Garcelle and Sutton not being able to fully trust Dorit. Does that make sense? Yeah.
I would say season nine or 10. I mean, I think Dorit's like made her bed and now she's sleeping in it.
Yeah. And I mean, I think with what's going on in Dorit's life, it's like now she's, you know, forming her own personality and her independence outside of PK and the Mean Girls.
And she's standing on her own, which is really great to see. We've just never really seen an authentic Dorit.
I haven't liked Dorit until this season. She's also very long-winded and I think that's what Garcelle and Sutton always return to is like every time they try to have a conversation she dances around the point of it and never actually has the conversation.
So that's where she says like let the mouse go. Well that makes sense.
It's just more like well yeah like I get that she was part of this like Fox group or whatever but so is Kyle. I will say nothing brings anyone closer than shit talking.
And her and Garcelle being able to talk about Mauricio and this woman. They were like, we have problems? I don't even remember because she's at a Morgan Wade concert.
Also, Garcelle is the one that is going to bring up the Morgan Wade rumors. Everyone else kind of tries not to, but Garcelle's like, well, let's not forget.
Yeah. And I really appreciate that.
I say this every week, but like, just get divorced or not get divorced. But like the fact that they keep pretending that there might be some reconciliation.
I love the way Kathy calls him Maurice. Maurice.
Maurice. Maurice.
What'd you say? A thousand percent? Yeah. A thousand percent.
That's what it was I just like

I don't

And then it's like

Kyle taking wife

Out of her bio

It's like you guys

Have been separated

He lives in his own condo

What do you think he's doing?

I actually appreciated that scene

Because I do think

As trite as it might be

And you know

I think like the show

Made it like

Seem like

Why does this have to be

Such a big decision?

But the reality is

Is that like

People do pay attention to that

It became a headline

It was

I love you. And, you know, I know I think like the show made it like seem like why does this have to be such a big decision? But the reality is that like people do pay attention to that.
It became a headline. I don't know.
It's a headline. Kyle knows the super fans pay attention to shit like that.
And, you know, that those are decisions that like, you know, I mean, shit. I mean, not like Nellie and I have had to have like conversations like that that seem like who gives a fuck kind of thing.
Like, why do we even care? Should I, should I do this? Should I comment this? Should I write this? Should I caption this? Should I do that? Blah, blah, blah. You know, it was definitely a little bit of a, like an insider look to like, you know, actual conversations that like Kyle and all these women kind of have to consider and things that like affect their lives that might seem trivial but like yeah people do talk about them people do pay attention people do like you know going back to the millie bobby brown like they analyze and break down and speculate and create rumors and yada yada yada like sometimes it's the question is like you know like kyle even said you know when talking about this photograph like she she even is speculating the authenticity of this photograph like she doesn't think it's mo who staged it but like the paparazzi and you know this i don't i don't remember the photo but apparently there's like a heel kick and like you can usually know like if someone called the paparazzi on themselves and the biggest takeaway is like is it a nice picture or does it look like someone took a picture with of you without you realizing yeah you know and if it's like if you are in any type of pose or romantic kind of if you look pretty good uh you might have called the paparazzi on yourself right you know and if you look like you are stuffing your face with a sandwich um like did not you probably didn't or if you have this kind of like confused look on your face you know yeah and she's a young model so i'm like i'm not shocked that she could call the paparazzi on that situation it's it's a it's a plausible situation that could have happened especially since sutton was like i've been to that airport a million times and jennifer anderson was there and there was no paparazzi yeah i thought they all kept comparing him to Brad Pitt.
They're like, he's no Brad Pitt. It's very Shania Twain, that don't impress me much.
It was that generation. It's like, no matter what, Brad Pitt will always be, him and George Clooney will always be the number one guys.
Can we go back to, I got a question about White Lotus. Yeah, please.
Spoiler alert. The three ladies, the friends.
They hate each other. How common is that in friend groups oh my god the name is so funny the first time that i was watching the first episode with connor and he's they're talking being like oh my god you look so good you look so good and connor's like what the fuck is going on here and i was like she's asking about what work she's got done he's like how the fuck did you get that and the next thing that comes out of her mouth is, so who's your doctor? But I was like, yes, it's like, that is unfortunately toxic female friendships.
There's a lot of underlying notes covered in niceness. The chills that go up my spine every single time I watch it with my friends and we're just constantly like, during every conversation.
They all talk about each other and then catch each other talking about each other and they're just like, well, we all do it.

Yeah, they all hate themselves and each other.

Yeah.

So yes, common.

Not for me, but common.

Have you ever experienced that?

Oh my God, yeah.

You have to choose not to

in your life.

Guys don't do that.

Well, we know.

But why do you all do that?

Guys love to gossip too.

Not like that.

No, Nick is bad. I'll be like, oh my you like he was just with a friend and it'll be like did you like did you hear like what happened and he'll be like i don't know i didn't ask like we're guys talk i mean my my guy friends we talk shit to each other's faces you know we give each other shit we tease we make fun we give each other a hard time to each other's faces we don't do it behind each other's backs and we definitely don't do it like the way it's portrayed in the show where you have like this group of friends and then like as when the group's together and everyone's hanging out it's all like these pleasantries and you know these exchanges and when the group divides into individual little groups like they start talking shit about the person not there like i i am not familiar with that type of of behavior in a group of guy friends you are i mean i think everybody gossips i'm like we all talk about each other i haven't gossiped of course but i'm just saying in a in a male group dynamic that behavior i don't is not common i'm like is it maybe is with the gays? different i don't know i don't know i don't know what the gays do yeah i don't know them i wasn't making a sexuality thing i was just like i guys like to gossip too as much as women do i've had some of the biggest gossip sessions with my guy friends it's not it's not just about gossip this is about friends treating each other like yeah, sure.
I like to gossip as much as the next person. But about my closest friends? About my boys?

Like, you know, the thing is that they're not the closest friends, even though they're like best friends They all live in different places. So this is the first time that they're coming together

Which means like FaceTimes and like kind of catching up but like this is the first time that they're like all

Together and I've had bigger groups of friends where it's like not everybody is as close. Like you have people that you're closest to and then people that you're like kind of forced to be friends with because this person's friends with them.
So they're always coming around. But it's like I don't like them, but I can't I'm not going to cause an issue with this person because we're all friends.
So I'm like and that's why the whole like girlies posting keeping your circle close and like finding three good friends like that's why we get to that point because you go through so much toxic shit with women that i'm like at their age it's sad that that's still an occurrence but like yes as you grow up and have groups of friends your circle gets smaller and smaller because of shit like that and it's all you can tell it's like percent. Which is always what it is.
Yeah, they all are jealous of each other for different reasons. Having real good girlfriends are people that are happy for you, that support you, that like literally lift you up.
Girlfriends like this are the people that are like praying for your downfall, being like, no, you got this girl. Yeah, yeah.
You tell them something that's exciting and they're like, oh. But what if this happens? Someone hit her car on her way to that meeting.
Literally. Just like Mike White is maybe one of the most genius writers currently.
It's the... Do you think that's why White Lotus is so popular? Because I feel like it's a scripted television show written like a reality TV show.
We obviously know that the family family in the show has been inspired by basically Southern charm and that, you know, entire cast. But like, I think that's why a lot of people like there's like, that's like the crossover between reality TV and scripted television.
And obviously Mike himself is a reality TV star from survivor. And he seems to also, I bet he's...
I wonder what other shows he watches.

I think the thing about Mike White is like,

it's so obvious he is just deeply, deeply interested

in human behavior and how people act

and interact with each other,

which is what reality TV is.

When did he...

I wonder, when did they film this?

This season?

This past...

But like the Trump conversation?

Obviously, I'm not trying to get into politics here,

but like...

It was brilliant.

The timing? I didn't see it. Like, how did he like but that's why i think people that's why people do love white lotus though is that he always does incorporate what's really happening

in the times and the conversations that we're having so we are seeing a reflection of ourselves

in the tv show it was very i had fallen asleep so i didn't see this but i did see a clip of it

and it was someone saying like this is the most perfectly acted like the facial expressions where

she's like,

Thank you. It was very, I had fallen asleep, so I didn't see this, but I did see a clip of it.
And it was someone saying, like, this is the most perfectly acted, like the facial expressions where she's like talking about the people in Texas, like being Republicans. She's like, well, they're nice people.
And she's like, wait, are you a Republican? She's like, no, I'm an independent. I'm an independent.
I'm an independent. The independent.
But David is. It's like the most Like pitch perfect

Like that

That scene

Is what's gonna win

An Emmy

If you're right

100%

Yeah

It was awesome

Also premiering last night

Was Denise in the Wild Things

Her Wild Things

Her Wild Things

Fun little television show

We watched both episodes

I mean it's early

So you know

I think they're getting their

Their feet wet

Getting their bearings

I love it

It's all the scenes of

Beverly's Housewives

That I would watch

So I was like

I get a full episode

the episodes i mean it's early so you know i think it's they're they're getting their bearings uh i love it it's all the scenes of beverly's housewives that i would watch so it's like i get a full episode it's like beverly hills housewives and like i used to like i grew up on reality television but like teenage so it's like the hills laguna beach pretty wild and i'm like so seeing this like aspect of the two teenage daughters it's just like giving me life like if I i was saying to natalie i looked i mean imagine if we're lucky enough to have a child uh and and river and let's say we have another daughter you know and they're relatively close in age like if they grow up and one has an only fans smile and the other one is like a hardcore like christian you know who's just like i'm with god you know she was like i woke up and god told me to go to the beach today and like you find out she's been religious for six months it's awesome i was 18 and a half they're so it's like the perfect so it's the perfect sister dynamic for tv it feels like watching an old mtv show yes great so funny though because i remember going through that stage myself of being like super super christian i remember my older sister caroline i like told her i was like sitting on the couch reading the bible and she comes in like bitch are you serious and i was like well that's why you're going to hell i definitely had that stage of my life and it seems like lola is giving that kind of energy to Sammy right now. The cuts between Sammy getting ready for the rave, like we have Narcan.
This is crazy. That was crazy.
And then the sister in her prayer group, I'm like this. Eating the tacos.
Thank you. You die from shit.
Like Narcan? Narcan saves you. So if you're doing drugs, if you have pro tip, I don't do drugs.
But if you do, always have Narcan around or you think somebody might be doing drugs at a party. Is it like the fentanyl saver? It'll bounce them back if they're going to overdose.
Yeah, so you can have time to take someone to get help at a hospital. If your friends are making sure they have to bring that, you're hanging around the wrong people.
But at're thoughtful yeah they're trying to like let's save their lives in college they give to everybody just in case so i think it's a matter of just like gives it to everybody well i don't think it's a bad thing but the universities are like if you need it or like if you like want to have it like they provide it really because you're going to parties like even if you or your friends are not doing it if you see somebody else like i definitely won't be the parent giving my kid condoms at 13 well yeah yeah that's kind of the same thing i think we're gonna go with a different approach i mean like yes i you know it won't be like the scare them out of doing things but like i don't know i feel like maybe a different parenting method can like maybe avoid having to like make sure your kid's condom up you know that early or like bringing narcan i don't know i feel like there's like a way to like be like oh i'm i'm a progressive parent but also scare them being like so this is narcan this is when somebody overdoses is about to come to death which you might be responsible for so you need to be able to administer this fear is a very like powerful powerful parenting tool like yeah like that's what i'm saying where it's like because i would be thinking if somebody's showing me what this is i'd well, I never want that to be used on me, let alone do I want to be responsible to use that on someone else. My parents were always like, this, this, it'll kill you.
Don't do it. Okay, say less.
I think it's just like teaching someone CPR in case you're ever in the situation. A lot of people have Narcan in case you're ever in the situation.
Yeah, because it's like you could be at a party with a bunch. You're not doing drugs, but there are people around you that are, even if you don't know them.
If you're at a big party, especially in L.A. and especially at a rave and the type of places that I'm assuming that Sammy's going to and stuff.

And it's just good to know that it's there so somebody can be safe.

I guess I hate that for the kids these days that they have to worry about stuff like that. That is sad.

But anyways, congratulations to Denise and her show.

We'll be following along.

I will say a lot of people are talking about the purse conversation where her chain got caught in the table. So a lot of people have been reposting it.
Like that's the most relatable thing of like. It is awesome.
There's nothing that eats my purse faster than a picnic table. Yeah.
I just love that she's trying to like diffuse a situation between her daughters while like all of a sudden being like. Like using a plastic knife into this like.
I love Denise so muchise she's everyone she's so honest and so i mean like you know no disrespect to most of the housewives that you know just kind of came from money and their their biggest moment of their career is being a housewife but denise is like denise fucking richard she's literally like a bond girl she's a movie star movie star. And she's incredibly down to earth.

Like she's one of the more down to earth, I think, housewives out there.

Like she's just so like, whatever.

I mean, you know, like that scene where she was just like, you know.

The plastic?

No, like where she broke the fourth wall.

And she's like, and that's why we have a TV show.

It was amazing.

It was awesome.

And then when she's on Tori Spelling's podcast and she's like, people want to see my boobies.

But thank you. Yeah.
Oh, yeah. You'll cut the diss if you don't want that out.
That was great. Yeah.
I just love how real she was, too. And she was like, what the? It's a picnic.
What do you mean? Bamboo and sugar products. I'm bringing plastic.
She's like, what are you going to make it? It's so family. Which is funny.
It reminds me of Meghan Markle's little documentary she's come out with or show that she's come out with.

The opposite of Denise Richards.

Well, no. Well, she talks the amount of just like plastic Meghan Markle uses in her home.

And it's supposed to be very like earth friendly and all this stuff.

And everyone's like, the amount of plastic bags that you're using right now. And like the amount of balloons.
Are you serious? Petroleum?

That's what we're doing. Poor Meghan.
She can't catch a break. She's still rich though.
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My parents homeschooled some of my siblings. For real? Why not you? I'm one of the old.
I have 10 siblings. Okay, I didn't know that.
So they were just trying new things out. Yeah.
Dipping in different ponds, you know? Totally. Literally.
Was it like culty vibes or like? No. We're pretty normal for being freaks yeah I totally get that do you feel like they're as smart yeah okay I think they're as educated as I am I was just about to say it's probably the education level is probably up there but street smarts is where we lack at the beginning well I lack in all of it oh it's Oh, okay.
It's okay. You're in safe company.
So no street smarts. None of it.
Idiot. Yeah.
Oh my God. She's live.
She's very street smarts. That is so.
She moved in New York as a teenager, so you can imagine her street smarts. Yeah.
Oh, please. Okay, yeah.
She would run circles around. Yeah, she's fucking with you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly.
Ingrid, welcome to the show. Thanks for having me.
We're so excited to have you. So excited.
I'm excited to be here. First podcast back from my, you know, being off the grid.
Where did you go when you went off the grid? Well, I went to rehab. Love.
And I went to, I went back to Colorado, which is where I'm from. Okay.
And spent a lot of time in the mountains. Is your family still there? My brother is, but everybody kind of dispersed.
Yeah. I have sisters in Seattle.
My parents live in the northern woods of Minnesota. My youngest sister now lives in Nashville with me.
So we're all kind of just all over the place. But yeah, I spent a lot of time with family.
And then I was like, okay, I think it's time to reemerge. I mean, how do you want to talk about that experience? What's your comfort level? Just ask.
Honestly, I'm so comfortable with it. I know it's such like a taboo thing for people to want to discuss, but to me it shouldn't be.
Yeah. I mean, have your friends been like, so like, that's been like the best part is like some people are full on.
Like, what was it like? Like, like, did you have outfits? Like, what was the thing? And then some people are just like, I'm just glad you're better now. I was praying for you.
Exactly. Like, I'm so glad you're okay.
As if I just like, yeah. So I'm fine talking about it because to me, it was such a needed experience for me based on the dark trajectory I was going down.
So I feel like even if you don't have a substance issue, disconnecting and asking yourself where you're at in your life and really getting down to, you know, your emotional well-being and like slowing things down, I think is essential, especially for pretty much everybody in this country. So how did it get to that point? Like, I mean, I got to assume a lot of things kind of have to go wrong for you to walk out on into the pitcher's mound.
I don't know exactly what you're saying. I'm really glad i didn't have to walk all the way out and a long walk back i probably wouldn't have made it to the pitcher's mound in my condition let me tell you how yeah like how does it how does that happen how aware were you like in that moment like i'm really fucked up or were you like, do you remember it? Like how, how inebriated were we? I, so that day started as like a very, what seemed like a normal day.
It was really more, it's, it's more about all the days leading up to that or like all the weeks. So at that point, like that day, I, I knew that I was drinking, but I was really loving like the numbing feeling that I was having.

And so I just didn't stop. And so it wasn't until I woke up the next day where I was like, OK, this is this is so unlike me.

Like, this is not OK.

Like, I need help because I actually walked out

and, like, did not care.

I was just like,

I don't care.

I don't care how this goes.

Like, I'm just,

I was so fucked up.

Sorry, messed up.

You can swear.

Oh, okay.

Yeah, I was so gone

that afterwards,

I thought that I, like,

kind of nailed it.

I was like,

oh, I feel like

there were some hiccups in there. I could have sang it better.
You're more like, not my best. Yeah, literally.
We did good. I called my best.
My best friend called me after I got off the field. And I remember briefly talking to her.
She's like, so how do you think that went? And I was like, I feel like it wasn't my best. But, you know, like that's how gone I was.
And did that particular friend break the news? She was very delicate. She was like, are you sure you think that went well? And I was like, yeah, yeah, I'll talk to you later.
And it wasn't until when I woke up the next morning. One, I was like, it's terrifying that I don't remember how it went.
And then that's when I called management and was like, hey, I need to go. I need to check myself in somewhere.
This is not like me. And I feel like I'm at a point where I don't feel like I can get out of this myself.
Was that your first experience with recognizing any type of issues when it came to abusing substances? Yes. It was the first time because in my mind, I'm like, oh, I've had this under control for a very long time.
And I think after I parted ways with my first and ever manager and broke up with my very serious boyfriend all at once. And I didn't realize how much I didn't let myself process those emotions of grief.
And I think at that time, you know, everyone says, oh, just keep moving, keep moving, keep busy. And because I didn't process all that, I didn't realize how much it was starting to creep in in other ways, which, you know, I was increasing.
It happened really quickly. It was within like three months.
I was drinking way more than I ever had ever. And just loved that that numbing feeling because that's why we abuse any substance.
Right. It's like and really anything can not feel the.
Yeah. It's like shopping, eating, gambling, sex.
Anything can be an addiction and we all have the ability to abuse substance when we are trying to numb something. So that's when I realized, I was like, I don't actually know how to get out of this.
How quickly did it escalate into a problem now that you look back and reflect? So my youngest sister lived with me for a while, like trying to get back on her feet in Nashville. And then she moved out in May.
And that's kind of when everything started hitting me. Like I was alone in my house and like all those feelings of what I had, you know, all the people I had to say goodbye to before and just everything hit me.
And so like beginning of May is when it just started spiraling so quickly. So then by July, I was just like, I don't feel anything anymore.
I'm good. And it's kind of nice.
Like it's great. And to me, it worked out great.
And it only took, you know, global humiliation for me to be like, this is a problem. I definitely remember when it happened.
Good. Thank God.
I'm a baseball fan. I'm a baseball fan.
I was, and now I'm never showing my face in a game ever. But how big did it really feel like the world found out? It did.
And luckily, the world was finding out as I was on a plane to rehab, which is when I made my statement and posted online that I was going to rehab. I didn't realize how much the video was going viral because I wasn't I'd never experienced anything like that.
I just figured like, oh, like people will make fun of me and then people will forget. And like the fact that everyone was picking it up and everyone was, you know, you know, doing reaction videos on TikTok.
And like I didn't realize that until right before I got to rehab. And I'm like, thank God they're taking my phone away because I've never, one, experienced this much hate on such a massive level before.
And that's when I realized I was like, oh, I don't think I can handle this right now. Well, I will say I am chronically online and I had never seen it or heard of it.
Wow. Yeah.
What a relief. There are some of us out there.
Oh my God. So you just know you and love you for your music.
Oh my God. I'm just a baseball fan.
So it was probably like I was just watching like all-star coverage. Yeah, exactly.
Well, I didn't think they have the audacity to play the clip on MLB. Like I was like, oh, my God.
But I will say at the time, I know like politics was like really bubbling. And I feel like there was just a lot of angst in general during that time.
So if anything, I feel like at least if anything, I'm fine with being America's punching bag because for one moment, everybody was united in the fact that that was awful. So I feel like I united America.
So you're welcome, America. In a way.
But you said like you got hate. And I'm sure any form of criticism, I'm sure feels heavy, especially when it's directed at you.
But were people like really coming at you because like you know I didn't know much about you when I saw it but I was more like oh poor thing you know like what a bummer but I didn't like I didn't have a problem with you you know it's like you didn't do any you know you didn't do anything to me but like were people like personally triggered and coming at you or did you- Did everything just feel loud? Yeah. Or did it all just felt loud? I think the biggest backlash was when I posted like, hey, I'm sorry, I was drunk, apologized to MLB, and I'm checking into rehab.
That was the most vulnerable I think I've ever been on admitting something like that. Because I had the thought of, like, well, maybe I won't tell anybody that I'm going and I'll just, like, disappear and then come back.
But for some reason, it felt like I got more hate from saying that I was going to rehab of just, like, oh, you're blaming it on being drunk when you're just a bad singer. And like it was really it showed me a lot about one, how sensitive I am and to just the lack of empathy in general, which I didn't think.
I don't know. I guess I hadn't been exposed to that at that level before, but I don't I hope it at me as a person.
I think there's just a lot of anger that people need to get off. Yeah.
I'm often reminded. I don't know how much you know about me.
I was once on a reality TV show. I do know that.
I've told this story a few times. I don't know.
Maybe it'll help you, but I got trolled a lot at times when I was on the show. And then at first I blocked a few people.
I was like, you know what, this person's mean. I'm not going to listen.
A few years later, I got a message on Twitter and it was a young lady saying, hey, Nick, can you unblock me on Instagram? I really apologize for calling you, I don't remember, like a ugly troll, blah, blah, blah. But in my defense, I was 12, she writes.
And it was like, I really like, I'll always remember that moment because you just never know who's writing it. And it's just like, if you knew that all of your critics were 12 and 13 year old girls, just like.
That would make, I would be like, okay, if that's what you need to do, I'm here. Yeah.
Just get it out sister. Whether they're 12 or 13 or they're an adult human, like chances are like when it comes, when it feels like, what, this doesn't even make sense.
Like, why, why are you, why is this directed at me? Like, I know I fucked up, but like, it's, it's always, it's some version of a 12 year old you know basically totally which i i feel like i mean that's so great that you recognize that you know relatively early on in this process for you because for me it's it is new and so i'm learning new boundaries of of what i will read and what i won't which i never had to worry about before. But it's kind of freeing in a way because I do care what people think about me, but I'm realizing that I care more what they think about my music and my songwriting.
And that, I mean, they can judge how I look, what I wear, like all these things that, I mean, are kind of pointless. But to me, what I care about is the things that I really care about, which is music and songwriting.
So if and I realize that some people won't like that either, but I just. I was going to ask if you have and what it looks like your relationship with social media today.
I think I want to be less precious about it moving forward, especially because I was so terrified of like fucking up for so long in my career. And I feel like now that I've done that on such a massive scale, it feels like the bandaid has been ripped off and that I can show that I am a human and that it's, you know, everyone thinks celebrities are a certain way or whatever, but I'm more comfortable showing up as a human being now, I think.
And so whatever that looks like on social media is probably going to be more transparent than I have been in the past. Just because I was so afraid that somebody would take something the wrong way or I would offend somebody with something that I wore or like just all those things.
And now I feel like all those voices are not completely gone, but they're not as loud. Yeah.
I mean, the more people know that they can get to you, the more they'll try type of thing. The more you show people like, you know, don't say what you want to say and it doesn't really impact me, then it just becomes boring for those people.
I know. So it's really kind of a weird dynamic.
Were there any artists that you are friends with or collaborate in the past that reached out and offered you any type of support? Yes. So that was actually the other really meaningful thing that happened after the anthem.
I was expecting no one to reach out or like, but there was just so much outpouring of love from female country artists in Nashville. And I actually felt so loved and seen going into rehab.
Oh, that's lovely. Like Elle King was like, this is just all part of it, girl.
And she's obviously been there before too. And Kelsey Ballerini was like, welcome to, you know, the worst parts of this job.
And like, it was all it was mostly women and like Karen Fairchild from Little Big Town. And and that really meant a lot to me because I feel like women in country music have had to stick together based on very obvious things because it's like a very male-dominated genre but for them to to be like hey like we've all been there not alone yeah it was very meaningful and carlos santana randomly was like yeah have never spoken to him before in my life and he asked my management he's like hey can i get ingrid's number that's very iconic right i was like hello i was like in rehab i was like hi there what are you what's up yeah it's me your long lost friend um but he was so kind and so supportive and was just like you know if you ever want to do a song like you know where to find me and he like sent me flowers and i was like did you I guess.
Yeah. I was like, you know, if you ever want to do a song, like, you know where to find me.
And he, like, sent me flowers. And I was like, what? Did you say yes? Yeah.
I was like, I will pencil you in, sir. Where you're like, you know where to find me.
I'm in rehab. Yeah.
And actually, this rehab has a studio. So if you want to, like, pop by here, like, please feel free.
Do you think you would ever want to perform a national anthem? She redeemed herself. I did.
Where? When? Last. Well, it was very recent.
That was like on Friday. Yeah.
You crushed. How did it feel? It was great.
Why has that gone more viral? I wonder why. Because I sound better.
I'm like, I actually sang it and actually people still are like, oh, she's still drunk. She's singing it so slow and I'm like, well, sang it.
And actually, people still are like, oh, she's still drunk. Like, she's singing it so slow.
And I'm like, well, I'm singing it slowly because it was actually harder to sing this time around because the first time I had in-ears, which is where you can hear yourself. I didn't hear myself the first time because I wasn't mentally there.
But the second time, they didn't have in-ears.

And it was in an arena.

So you have to sing slower because you're the the echo is constantly bouncing back at you so that it just made your comeback even more harder yeah it did still crush so yes I did and it felt I when I tell you like I have never been more nervous about something oh my god the only thing getting me through it was the thought I never have to sing this song again was it kind of like once I redeem myself and do it once that's all I have to do and was that something that your team was like hey you need to get back there and sing the national anthem or were you like no i need to do this to show myself and my fans and the world that like i can sing this fucking song yeah it was a bit of both because i'm very i am a competitive person and originally i told my team I was like, I'm actually never singing that song

again. And we were just going to move on and talk about it a lot.
But as time went on and I was writing more music and I was like, I think actually for my own mental well-being and to be able to close this chapter like i need to do this for myself even though

i hate this idea because if you bomb the anthem twice your career is over like yeah truly especially after can you imagine the stakes are high yeah it's very high like there's really no coming back from that. Yeah.
So, yeah, part of me just needed to do it to prove to myself that I could and to show people who maybe didn't know me outside of that.

Like I actually am a singer and I've been doing this for a long time and it actually does mean a lot to me.

And I take it seriously.

So how long was the like after you finished? I the next day was very different than the next day. Yeah.
I the amount of I didn't realize how much weight I was carrying with it. And so when I woke up the next day and it was gone, I was like, oh, I had no idea I would feel this much relief.
And yeah, it didn't, the video didn't blow up as much as the first one because I just think, I just think sometimes people like. Yeah, they're terrible.
Yeah. I'm like, how do I say this without saying people can be shitty sometimes nick and i say this all the time i mean it's why we don't ever like really open up that much about that kind of stuff is because it will no one cares like no no one cares about the truth they just want to run with the fun story that they've made up and that's gonna go viral like no one cares about like your apology video it's never gonna go as viral going to go as viral as whatever happened.
So it's never worth it, I feel like, because it's just not going to go the way that you think it's going to go. I imagine after the incident, you making that statement was something that you felt like you needed to do.
But in the history of internet apologies, I've never seen the internet go, oh, thanks. Right, we forgive you.
That was well said. That was good.
Really thoughtful, really nice. No notes.
Yeah, yeah. Never.
Oh, yeah, never. No, that's so true.
It'll never happen. That's so true.
So it's like, obviously this was a very big thing for you, so you felt like it necessitated that. And every once in a while, like, yeah, it may it might make sense to make a statement.
But like, you never have you never make a statement because you think it's going to like go over well. And if short of you like really needing to, I'm just like, I just opt out of not addressing anything.
Yeah. Yeah.
I it was definitely more for me to do it. And that way I didn't have to like talk about it as much because I just opt out of not addressing anything.
Yeah. Yeah.
It was definitely more for me to do it.

And that way I didn't have to talk about it as much because I just went back out and did it

and was just like, end of story.

I did it.

You guys can stop trolling me,

but it turns out they can still troll you

even after you nail it.

Like, this was good, but remember last time?

Yeah, exactly.

I'm like, I do, but I don't remember really. But yes.
Well, you have come out with a new song, Footprints. Yes, I have.
Was that your plan? Were you like, I want to come back and I want to come back with an amazing song? Yes. I mean, the significance of Footprints was really more why I wanted that song to come out first.
I actually wrote it a couple years ago for my siblings, all four of them. And because I was the first one to leave home and like leave the cult.
Just kidding. It wasn't a cult.
It's a very loving family. And I felt like I had left them behind in a way and I didn't want them to feel like I was abandoning them but like but just to show them like hey you can learn from my mistakes and like but I also wrote it from like on top of a mountain of like things were going well in my career like I was getting nominated for things and I was like, oh, see, look, you can do

this too if I can do it. But I listened to it again after getting out of rehab and it hit different because I felt like I was listening to it walking up the mountain this time as opposed to being up there already.
And it meant more to me because I wanted them to see like, one, your older sister is crazy but resilient. And like, even after all this, like you can still do this.
And if you ever want, just know that like the path that I'm going on is to show that like you can also pursue your dreams and do things.

And so to me, I wanted Footprints to be the first song because it hit different from where I'm at in life now.

And I mean, I tell them all the time, like I try to lead by example.

I'm like, don't follow all my footprints. Right.
Specifically not into the baseball stadium. But I think for me, it's important for them to know, like you can go out and pursue your dreams.
Not exactly in the way that I have, but it is possible. But also just like, no matter what hard ships you go through, you know, every, it looks

different for everyone.

Like you can come out of it, you know, like you can find the light, you can like do all

of the things because you were able to do it.

You know, when you are that example to them of like, it might not be easy, but it's doable.

Yeah, exactly.

The good news is, is, uh, the only thing Americans more than uh a fall from grace is a nice comeback exactly that's what i've been told yeah yeah does it feel like that right now i think so i i also love a good comeback story it feels more like just i by no me like no one should take my advice and no one should be like you know following my example after i release a song like footprints but i'm just like it feels like a comeback but it's also just feels like a return to something that's always been there and so because i think people make mistakes and so to then come out out and be like, I'm different. I'm new.
I'm whatever. It's like, no, I'm still me.
I'm still like the messy, crazy, you know, introspective me. But I feel more present in who I am as opposed to it.
That's the thing, because comeback doesn't have to mean like, oh my god, I've recreated myself. I'm a new person.
It's more like I've made a mistake. I've worked on that mistake.
I'm still the very talented vocalist and songwriter that I've always have been without the thing that caused the thing. And now I can...
Right. The thing that did the thing is now we're doing the thing.
Without that thing. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. You did get to tour with Stevie Nicks.
I did. How was that experience? Pretty life-changing.
She has been like my idol for such a long time and she just transcends timelines and genres and a lot lot of it is because of her authenticity as an artist and as a songwriter and just as a human. And it's rare that you see that as artists get older, I find.
But it's almost like she's really embraced her journey and has really leaned into who she is. And I think that's what makes her so magical is that she does not apologize.
She just shows up as herself and has for decades. and to see that you know because her and I are obviously at very different places in our lives

and careers but it was so inspiring to see her still doing the thing that she loves.

And like the fans that came out were from all walks of life,

like all different ages.

Like it wasn't just this one thing.

It was,

it was really powerful to see how many lives and,

you know,

how many generations she transcends and I was honestly shocked that I was there but I felt very at home like with her fans it felt like everybody appreciated storytelling and just being real and and truthful um and yeah it was very inspiring i definitely want to be her when i grow up do you enjoy uh songwriting or performing better or is there a mix of both uh they fluctuate um after being on the road i'll say i can't wait to get back in the studio like i am done performing and then when i'm in the studio for months at a time I'm like I can't wait to get back in the studio. Like I am done performing.
And then when I'm in the studio for months at a time, I'm like, I can't wait to get out of here and, you know, jump around stage. But I will say, I think songwriting is probably where I'm more comfortable just because I feel like I can process my thoughts better in the moment.
But being on stage has its own energy. It's like it feels more communal than songwriting does.
Songwriting can feel a little isolating, whereas performing on stage, you just there's like this energy of everybody in the room that is hard not to feed off of and feels very like life giving in a in a way when you uh co-wrote uh boys with charlie xcx like how does something like that come to be are you guys like friends you call up and like i have an idea for a song do your teams kind of get you together like what does that look like because you know two different genres yeah yeah and which i always love i always love when like two different things come together. Totally.
Yeah. Yeah.
So how that happened. So Charlie, she is a very good songwriter.
Like she's written songs for like Icon of Pop and like she's also started as a songwriter and then turned into artist. And so Boys was actually the first outside song that she wanted to record, which to me was crazy because I looked up to her as a songwriter.
And so for me to get the call of like, hey, Charlie actually really likes this song. I'm like, well, does she want to like tweak it or? And she obviously added her sauce to it, but it was actually we never like collabed on it because the song was already done.
And she yeah, it was the first time that she took a song that she didn't write. How does that feel for you to like write songs and then have other artists sing them or like does that feel good to you? Or is it kind of like weird because it's like you wrote it, but then you're like honored because someone else is singing.
And are you writing every song with the intention of you singing it? Or do you sometimes kind of, to Nellie's point, deliberately be like, this is not even for me, but I just love what the song is? Yeah. So when I started switching or transitioning from just a songwriter to an artist, the whole reason that happened was because I started writing songs that were very personal to me and like my story and artists wanted to cut the songs and I'd be like, no.
And then my publisher was like, well, then what? You sing. Yeah.
Or they're just like, well, you're supposed to want other people to sing these songs. these songs i'm like yeah but they're my stories and i'm having a hard time letting these go and so that was like kind of the biggest reason i became an artist was because i didn't want other people pretending that my story was theirs but there is there are many songs where i'm like, this is obviously not for me.

I would never say that.

Boys being one of them.

As much as that side of me comes out a lot, I'm like, I am not like that all the time.

And I would like to think I am.

It's almost like me talking about somebody that maybe I'd want to be one day, but I know at my core, it's like saying that you're a wolf, but really you're like a fox.

You're like, this is me.

And you're like, this is not me. I'm just joking.
I'm just joking. Yeah, I'm joking.
This couldn't, no one would believe me, you know? So there are, whenever I write for other artists, I'm always hoping that they can hear themselves in it because that's what matters to me. I'm like, does this resonate with you? Like obviously there will always be a part of me in those songs, but it's almost to help facilitate them as opposed to being like, this is about me.
What was the first song that another artist cut? Oh, what was it? Honestly, Boys might have been the first cut. And then there's been Fletcher has cut a bunch of my songs, which I love her.
I'd actually have to look. I haven't looked at my list in a minute.
Wow. So humble.
So humble. No.
No, I'm being honest. I'm forgetting.
Back to homeschooling. Oh, yeah.
Let's go. Come on.
So were you homeschooled like your entire education system or was it like so my parents I was gonna say tell me about your situation I have 10 siblings I was public all the way you know they just like couldn't afford anything else it was just like you know that's what people did homeschooling was very niche back then if you heard of homeschooling back then it was like what is going on in that house yeah oh yeah and then my parents you know i grew up very catholic so then some of my siblings did like uh like private elementary school and middle you know middle school and then with the younger ones my mom's like i want to you know i want to do the homeschooling thing it was like through the education system so like she wasn't like on an island. She was like getting curriculum from teachers and she was sending in papers and they were getting graded and scored by actual teachers and things like that.
And then my younger siblings would like go to music classes at the local schools. So it was very integrated with the public school system.
Yeah. It wasn't on an island, so to speak.
Okay, got it. And then everyone went to a high school.
Normal high school for just to integrate with society. What was yours like? Very similar.
That's normal. Yeah, well, except I started in preschool through second grade, maybe.
I went to normal public school. But then it was getting harder to pull us out of school because we were starting to learn like pretty important things like reading and stuff and my dad was a major league baseball coach and he traveled a lot and and spring training is a thing every year he started with the Detroit Tigers and then he was with the Rockies for most of my childhood

and then he ended with the Mets.

Cool.

Yeah.

Hence why the MLB humiliation

really stung on multiple levels.

Yes.

Did dad have anything to say?

Oh, a lot of old retired players

reached out to him.

Let me tell you,

being like,

is your daughter okay?

And he was like, no.'s not um but so my mom decided to homeschool us because we would have to be pulled out of school a lot to travel with him for like months at a time so that was the reason and it was fine we we did those like for those of you who are homeschooled you'll know this it's like you get this once a week go hang out with other homeschooler classes it was called a k-12 program so once a week we would integrate with other homeschoolers and that's when i remember thinking like oh i'm a cool homeschooler because everybody else in the homeschool world, like there was a reason why you got homeschooled. You know, like there is just a lot of stuff going on.
And a lot of it was like religious repression or like something like that. But then I started playing sports and got pretty serious about it when I was 13 or 14 is when you start doing competitive club sports.
And so my parents were like, well, it's time to put you in public school then in order to like start building that resume. So they actually put me in public school in eighth grade.
How did that affect that? You feel like you have a lot of opinions about it oh it would be one thing middle school's hard yes especially the last year of middle school like it'd be one thing to go to high school because it's like you you know people are awkward everyone's awkward and like you're coming in from different counties and like everyone's kind of like it's a new batch of people everyone was like who the fuck is this chick yes like it was it was like breaking into like the cool kids club last minute like when when they were about to you know leave and they were just like we don't really know what to do with you because like we're kind of done here and i'm like yeah totally i get I don't need to be accepted So that was a traumatizing year

For sure And I'm like, yeah, totally. I get it.
I don't I don't need to be accepted. So that was a traumatizing year for sure, because my parents were also very conservative and like sheltered us from a lot of things.
and so when I got to middle school I really had no idea like what was going on and I wasn't

allowed to wear makeup and had to dress very, very, very modestly. And I felt like I learned so much in such a short period of time of like, you know, oh, why is this girl crying in the bathroom over this guy? Like what happened? And like, oh, like what's a pushup bra? I'm like, what that do I'm like can I have one am I putting a razor on your legs yes what I'm like do you do the whole one or just up here and the knee seems hard the knee seems I'm like why are you rolling up your gym shorts so high I'm like you're not gonna be able to do anything I'm like tying your shirt up and making it a crop top I'm like does that help you play better? I'm like I don't know I feel like that would hurt in dodgeball you know so it's just there's like all these things that I felt like an outsider which is why I feel like social norms to me is such an interesting concept because they change so much and like they change based on wherever you go.
And like they're a constantly evolving thing. And some people take them really seriously and some don't.
And like as somebody who is still feel, I feel like I'm learning something every day. It is a fascinating concept to me of like how we choose to interact with each other and like what's acceptable.
It will be interesting. We have a 13 month old daughter and it will be interesting to see like what kind of.
Yes. She.
Oh my gosh. And like.
And the personality. Yeah.
It'll be weird. It'll be weird.
It'll be great. You are playing the Grand Ole Opry this weekend.
I am. It's kind of a big deal.
Have you done it before? I have. Okay.
Not in a long time, though. Like, I've had a lot of great memories at the Opry, for sure.
But yeah, this will be my first time coming back in, like, a couple years. How are you feeling? I'm excited because it feels very familiar, but also very accepting.
Like, the country community, they're like fiercely loyal. And so I feel like it's kind of a nice welcome back into society because country music bands really want to relate to you and they really want to hear your stories.
And I feel like that's what I love about it so much. And I think the Opry has captured that for, for longer than I've been alive and has done that for so many people.
So I'm excited. I'm going to play footprints for the first time there on piano.
Oh my God. So we'll see if they like it.
Well, they will. of course.
It says here you're passionate about comedy and comedians. You're very funny, by the way.
Oh, thank you. But do you have any fave comedians that you're following right now? I mean, there are so many.
I feel like I've watched everyone's new Netflix specials. Like when there was the writer's strike, you know, and I feel like Netflix ran out of like, you know, content.
And they were like, let's give every comedian a special. And I was like, yes.
Let's do it. Yeah, I feel like, well, I've always loved Bill Burr because he's just, you know, very straightforward.
But I also love Nikki Glaser. I've loved her for a minute.
And I love that she's, like, finally getting her moment. She's been a friend of the show for a long time, and it's exciting to see her crush it.
I just love her. Obviously, Dave Chappelle is one of the OG.
And Tennessee Man. What's his name? Oh, my God.
Theo? Oh, Theo Vaughn, of course. Yes, him.
He is wild. I'm really happy.
The stuff that pops into his brain. I'm like, you are one of a kind.
True. He doesn't say things.
I'm like, I don't think I could say that out loud and get away with it. No.
He just has a way of just, okay, I guess so. Yeah.
It's the way that he says it to where you're like, sure, man. It's like he is just asking a question, I guess.
Yeah, you're just like, only you could ask that. And it's very, yeah, he's wild.
What Tennessee man are you talking about? Nate Bargetzi, yes. Oh yeah, he's hilarious.
His dryness gives me so much life. And he's also been doing it for such a long time.
So I like he's having it he's really having a moment too did you ever think that was like a path you might take no i feel like there there are similarities in songwriting and comedy writing which is why i think i get into it so much because they're also writing you know in music, you have like that twist at the end or like that wordplay or like how how do you tie this up in the end? And comedy is the same way to where you're almost like working backwards when you're writing a joke and to see like the transitions and like the writing part of it is so brilliant. And I feel like comedians are just as dark as songwriters are sometimes.
And so it's almost like your brains kind of understand each other. And at least in Nashville, like a lot of the songwriters and the comedians like are all friends because there's like this understood, you know, ability to write in hopes that you're bringing other people more joy or to make other people feel

more understood.

And so I just love that about comedy.

Sometimes it's, I mean, I'm not a fan of all comedy.

I feel like sometimes I'm like, hmm, no, that didn't do that.

You know, sometimes people have some misses.

Agreed.

That's what you're going to miss.

Yeah.

Amen.

All our audience loves all kind of TV. Any TV shows you're a big fan of watching right now or anything um yeah i'm really into severance right now um i was on reddit the other night don't well we're caught up okay same spoiler alert what's your theory what's going on with his wife i feel like and this is like this i'm worried to say it because I don't want people to be like, yeah, there's no way.
But there's, I feel like her, she is recovering her brain. And so it's almost like if he breaks out of it, it's almost like they need him in order for her to like build her brain back in a way.
Do you think she died or? I think, I think Lumen staged her death to get her. I think so too.
But she died and that's her ghost. I'm going to be so mad if they leave in season two without a major cliffhanger where we have to wait a long time to find out some answers.
I need some kind of answer. Well, do we think she did get in a car wreck? I mean, she had like brain damage and part of Lumen's thing is to like rebuild someone's brain.
And like that sounds like a noble thing and they don't seem noble. Yeah.
Also, the thing I will be so disappointed in if I don't get to see Heli meet Helena.

I know.

You know what I'm saying?

Because there's a lot of similarities between the Innies and the Audis, right? Yes.

Especially Mark's Innie and Mark's Audi, kind of the same gentle person, right?

But Heli and Helena, polar opposites.

How would they do that?

I want to see her severed somehow.

That would be incredible.

Yeah, definitely.

Thank you. polar opposites and i want to see that how would they do that i want to see her severed oh somehow that would be incredible yeah yeah that's not gonna happen in season two that no no that's season five give me yes like but i need i need some clarity with uh miss casey i do too yeah i don't i yeah something the fact that she's still wanting to see yeah.
There's a lot going on. I feel like I'm starting to focus on Bert too now.
Oh, yeah. Is he a part of it? He is.
Bert's definitely a part of it. He is because his partner got a little wine, whatever, and was like, oh, yeah, like you were there like 20 years ago.
And he was like, oh, you've had too much to drink. Obviously, I was only there seven years.
And the fact that before the guy left and he reestablished, he gets confused. It was only.
Which means he was part of making it. And so to me, he must have done something really bad because he was atoning for his sins.
True. So many questions.
Well, anyway, this is so fun talking with you. Thank you guys for having me.
Thank you so for being so open and just talking about the experience. I know it's never easy, but we're wishing you nothing but the best and great success in the future.
Congratulations on Footprints. Thank you.
Footprints. Please come back and just talk about life.
I would love that. And comedy and TV.

Is there an album coming out?

There might be.

Okay.

Yeah.

We'll look for that album.

In the meantime, listen to Footprints wherever you listen to music, basically.

Yeah, pretty much.

Thank you, guys.

Thank you.

Thanks.

Huge fan.

Love her. Even bigger than I was before.

Love her.

She's great.

Funny, first of all. Really funny.
Really enjoyed. She's a great, honestly, she's just like a great outlook, I think, on life.
And I guess sometimes it takes going through that kind of thing to like, you know. I mean, let's be real.
Like, obviously, like, I'm not trying to make light of this situation and she got the help that she needed. But like, fuck, man, I don't know.
Most of my friends have had an experience via alcohol or some sort of substance where there was a big apology that had to come. There was a moment where they like, things didn't go their way.
I mean, it's not to condone it or anything, but it was a human mistake. And I just love to see her rising and coming back and making the most of that situation

so it was great. On my

21st birthday I was so

hammered and I was crying because I just

wanted to go home and my brother told me to shut the

fuck up and stop crying and he's

had to apologize to me since so

there you go. Even when you're not

drunk. Now it's time for

our Bachelor Grant and

it is an interview. You're not

going to want to miss.

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Grant, welcome back to the show, man. What's going on? How you doing? I'm great.
How are you doing? How's your heart, man?

Oh, man, I'm going through it.

How's your heart?

My heart's good.

My heart's good.

It's been a while since I've been on the podcast, and I'm really happy to be around you guys

and see you guys, and I'm ready to get going.

I didn't get to meet you last time.

Everyone was raving about you.

I wasn't here.

I don't know what was.

Maybe we didn't have a babysitter or something.

I don't know.

You were just like, you know, fuck Grant.

Whoa! No. And then I saw how good a season was and i was like okay maybe i'll be there for this one no it's it's a pleasure meeting you and we had we had a blast last time we can i just say something you're a really good bachelor man oh man listen there's there's a lot of mixed opinions but you know something i can tell i i am the foremost authority on who is a good bachelor and who is not a good bachelor your opinion definitely matters man uh you're very good you're you know and when i say that joey was very excellent obviously fan fave but like and i don't even mean like you know whether people i you know there's so many things outside of your control as the bachelor right but what i've always been really impressed about watching you this season is your ability to listen and respond to the women and make them feel seen and heard without getting defensive.
You've never had to like clap back, you know, or like you've you've navigated very awkward or difficult situations with a very high emotional maturity level. You've also never said thank you for sharing.
Oh, yeah. That's really I said.
Which is really... Thank you for sharing.
It's like so nice to hear. It's difficult.
Because thank you for sharing is a telltale sign of I don't give a fuck. I don't know what to say.
All right. And you've always had something to say.
Yeah. And I think that is a great quality and it speaks to your emotional intelligence.
Thank you. I appreciate it.
It know, it's definitely difficult. I try to go in there and just lead with love, try to listen and try to have a connection with each of the ladies, regardless of how far along we were, you know, in our romance and that aspect.
But I tried just to have a connection. I really cared about them and each of the stories because you learn a lot about them, you know, and, you know, regardless of how it came off, you off you know i really i really try to uh help everybody grow and myself i grew a lot on that on the show as well so yeah i'm very excited for this ending yeah um probably less excited than you are yeah uh yeah but well let me say why i'm excited because like i just the best the best possible season is when you're like the lead because the you leads they really usually know going into hometown weekends they you know if they don't know they have a pretty good idea it's usually the producers like being like well just keep an open mind that's the best to say you have to keep an open mind you're like yeah i'll keep it over my but i'm picking her um and it really seems you seem really torn man yeah.
I think it's a testament to just how the final two, they were amazing. And I had connections with both of them and they were so different.
And it just came down to what I was looking for in my life. Who could I relate to the most? And there's also an extra added pressure on being the second Black Bachelor ever.
You think that you decision based off of, you know, what people would want or this or that, but you have to go with your heart. And I think I did that.
I just need a little extra time to, to, uh, sit and really think things through because I wanted this decision to be final. How much extra time did you get? Like 10 minutes? Yeah, it wasn't, listen, you know, everything's- You never get much time.
You don't get much time. Everything's, uh, uh, is, you know, they, lot of drama which there it wasn't didn't take as long as what they say but i understand they have to play it up and yeah just it was a really hard decision but this is somebody who's going to be my wife so i i really tried to approach it like that and yeah we got to see how it ends so do you really did you really not know the morning you woke up listen i i knew i knew based off of what i needed but like said, it was a mixture of things.
Not wanting to hurt somebody. You have to stand your ground and really decide what your heart wants.
It was between my head and my heart at one point. I had feelings for both.
I was in love with both women. And yeah, one was hard.
It was hard for me to hurt somebody on which going to be the most important day. So it'd be the happiest day of your life.
And then, like I said, what you think people want you to do, you have to take, take a step back and be like, you know what, this is for me. And I'm going to go with who makes me the happiest.
So, yeah. I want to circle back to your final three women and then get into your final two.
But Dina recently went home and I was bummed for you. I was, more bummed for dina i mean i know she spoke on why her family didn't want to come you know i come from a family of 11 uh like she does i come from a very religious family like she did and maybe maybe not quite as hardcore i don't know like being your dad being a deacon right that's pretty uh it's hardcore um but i was disappointed her because like, you know, I don't know, like, listen, like she's a 31 year old woman.
She's an adult woman. I'm assuming her parents did a great job raising her.
She's very accomplished. And it's like, you know, sometimes your kids are going to do things that maybe you wouldn't do.
But like, I feel like you need to show up for your kids. You know, you need to show up.
I'm assuming that that her family just in no way at all supporting this journey of hers drastically impacted your decision. Because as great as, and I've always been a big fan of Zoe throughout this season, but clearly the connection doesn't seem to be there.
Her first 101 was a hometown. You and Dina there seemed to be something there, but it seemed like as soon as her family was like, you know, sorry, as much as you felt for her and, you know, got to meet her friends, but I got to assume that played a major role in your decisions.
I'm not going to say it was as big as a factor as, you know, I really just felt bad for Dina and how she, you know, because you want your family to support you on a big day like that, you know, to show up and rally behind you, especially when you're going to get looking at it back. You're going to get opinions from the Internet and your family has to have your back.
But I think the whole situation with Zoe is just to clarify, you know, a lot of people maybe question why Zoe made it that far or things of that nature. I think, listen, with Zoe, she grew up in the South and she's a strong black woman.
and the way that she comes across off camera, maybe sometimes she's a little defensive and sometimes things like that come into play. But what I will say is every group date, every situation, she showed up and she gave her all.
And I see where that comes from. I've dealt with that in the past where you get stigmas placed on you or things like that, and you to power through those.
So I really wanted to help her grow. And I think that I have empathy.
I'm an empath. So I saw that in Zoe and I saw a place for me to help build her up.
I saw a place for growth where I could say, okay, this person and I could relate and I could teach her or show her not how to be, but how to grow out of a situation when she spent majority of her childhood going through probably, you know, uh, bullying. And, you know, you could tell that she, she was, she needed some confidence instilled in her.
So I was, I tried to be that person. Yeah.
I, I really liked her on the show. I have enjoyed her, you know, someone who she's an engineer or something like that.
I mean, like even that, like it's a, it's a very very male dominated profession so her whole career is she's inserted herself that she's immediately an outsider as a as a woman of color like you know she has to deal with feeling like that already at times you know the bachelor house is a very much like there's always a handful of people who are treated differently or treated like a household because you're not part of the group and things like that so i i really connected with her on that level i'm glad she's made it as far as she has but you know and i know you you can't speak on it because we don't know but it does seem like clearly the connection with juliana and latia yeah like it's obvious like it's it's it's so obvious that those are so strong but like i usually i feel like you feel like, you know, I've been pretty good, you know, at being like, that's the person, you know, I think, uh, I've called it a few times, but I truly like between Latia and Juliana, I, every time you're with both of them, it really seems like that's the person you're most in love with. Yeah.
They're both bring unique sides out of me. And, you know, I think that with Jules, with Juliana, there was something that we could relate to.
Call her Jules. I call her Jules.
I called Latia Titi. That's true.
He didn't call her Latia Titi. That is true.
I wasn't sure we just got a spoiler. Yeah, that's true.
He did call her Titi. I call her Titi.
So I'm just corny like that sometimes. He likes a nickname.
Yeah, he likes a nickname? No, but I think that she brought a certain side out of me that was, you know, we really related over the addiction and some of the trauma we went through and how we were going to build each other up and how we could understand each other. And Latia was really nurturing.
She is an amazing woman and she has so much to offer. And I saw that.
So both of them had different aspects that i kind of that's why i had

such a hard time seeing going down to this final moment so i think i might have said that you did

her a little dirty with um the conversation on the rock where she's like listen if it's not me

like i'll go and you were like i'm kind of locked in and then you sent her home that night right

right i blame producers yeah nick thinks that that was a like a producer like keep her keep her around why why not let her go in that moment did you because he didn't get the he didn't get the bat signal yeah i think that listen i'm not gonna say listen i went in there i knew that you know with carolina she the attitude that she had dates, you know, not a bad attitude, but her demeanor was kind of like, you know, she was questioning and doubting. And, you know, there were, obviously there was things that happened behind that, the scenes that didn't, that weren't necessarily showed on camera.
But going in there, you know, I was leaning more towards letting go of the relationship. But when, you know, she started to cry and she started to do things, I just, I, she did her thing.
She did her thing. She did her thing.
And I had to diffuse the situation, you know, maybe, maybe it would have been the best idea to, to end the relationship there. I just, yeah, looking back at it, maybe I was trying to be too, too nice, you know, and, uh, maybe worried about my appearance or how it would look and, you know, when somebody's crying, sending them home.
But at the end of the day, we definitely had a connection. I tried to mend that as much as possible.
Because I really did have a connection with her. But all the things that got in the way and just her questioning the process and doubting me, it started to really get to me.
And right there in that moment, I was trying to, you know, I went in there with there with the mindset maybe this is going to work out but then I had to remember all the good things that we had and tried to fight for the relationship so to Nick's point earlier because I have to say that like watching your season this is one of the first bachelor seasons where like I'm not sure fully sure watching throughout who you're gonna pick because you have such good chemistry with these women right um did you I don't know how I can ask this. I'm like, did you have a first impression on somebody to where you thought maybe they would make it to the final two and it did happen or like it was the person that you picked or is it something that you like grew to have a relationship with the person and that's how they ended up being a final? Like, did you know? Yeah, the final two, the final two women, I had a connection with them night one or even the second episode, basically, you know, I think that a lot of people, you know, even, and I'm going to bring this, even my connection with Alex, you got the first impression.
Yeah. I'm curious what happened there.
Yeah. I just, our love languages were very different, you know, were very different.
And not to say that I was more serious because I know she was serious, but she was not, she wasn't used to the romance and things like that as much. And we were trying to work, but ultimately, I just saw the difference there.
And like I said, she was great. We could have moved forward, but I just thought it was best that it didn't happen that way.
But as far as my final two, I thought that, yeah, we were right on par. I thought the connection was there from night one.

Have you spoken on the whole

Carolina and Rose

fiasco? Yeah, it definitely

comes up. I was team Grant.

Yeah, for sure.

I mean, I know people were like

out there being like, he actually did say that,

but I was like, not in the context in which

he's being accused.

Do you want to elaborate on that? Yeah, so it definitely comes up in the future. But, you know, there's a difference between saying, you know, I'm thinking about giving reassurance to somebody and then saying, listen, when I'm with this person, I'm thinking about you.
Like, that's not how I meant it. That's kind of like that gives off major, major player vibes.
And I wasn't trying to give that off. So I think, yeah, there's just a miscommunication there.
But there's a big difference between what I said and then what was said that I said, that I said, didn't say. Looking back, do you blame, do you think that it was Carolina being kind of little petty or like messy or was, or do you think, Rose seemed to really feel like she didn't realize what she did.
She seemed as confused as you were, you know, or it's just like, I feel like at first when it happened, I was, I was more critical of Rose, but then the more the season played out, I was like, I don't know, like this, this, this messy is definitely messy. Carolina just, she's not dumb.
Well, she definitely is smart. And, you know,

I think that at the end of the day,

it falls on me.

You know, I could have done a better job of communicating that.

But at the same time,

I think that Carolina started to doubt the process from that moment on.

So again,

I see both sides of it.

And I understand why Carolina started to act the way that she did,

because if you're told that somebody,

if you're told that you're going to,

you're going to question.

So ultimately I think it falls on me.

And maybe if I would have worded it different,

or like I said,

going in there trying to reassure everybody and just because I cared,

maybe that wasn't the best thing.

Maybe,

you know,

but I,

in that moment,

I genuinely,

I had a connection with Rose.

You know,

we,

our first thing we did the blind date,

we did the blind, we were kissing and well, I mean, I had a connection with Rose. You know, we, our first thing, we did the blind date.
We did the blind, we were kissing.

And well, I mean, I was kissing everybody,

but we definitely had a connection

and I saw something with her.

And after that happened, it kind of just,

it went, it spiraled after that.

So I feel like Alicia kind of caught people

the most off guard just because night one, you a great kiss you had great chemistry right and then she kind of disappeared and then she was gone the next night right was there anything that like happened or was it just like there's just so many other women here that i'm good good a little bit good editing yeah yeah we did we did have a connection, Alicia and I. But after the basketball date, yeah, I just felt like I had connections that were better in the house that I wanted to explore more.
And Alicia's an amazing woman. She's great, but yeah, it just wasn't for me.
Okay. We are heading into Fantasy Suites on...
Don't let your mouth spin uh but going into fantasy suites you know it's a lot of pressure it's the hardest week it's a lot uh there's a lot of expectations from some of the ladies uh some of the ladies have boundaries like letia where it's like hey i got a very strong opinion about sex and intimacy other ladies are like ready to go you know it's like this is my time to land my man you know um and you kind of have to navigate that and various leads go with various expectations did you go into fantasy suites with any like set boundaries of how you wanted to conduct it yourself specifically around sex yeah fantasy suites is really tricky. But I think I handle myself very well.

You know, regardless, you know, like I said, I was,

there's a lot of kisses, but I do feel like fantasy suites,

I really reserve myself.

And because when you get physical intimacy involved,

it changes things.

And you, your connection with somebody is probably,

there could be some red flags there,

and then you guys have sex and everything's wonderful.

So I tried to handle myself really well and i try to be responsible and yeah my expectation was i wasn't going in there saying i'm not going to but it had to be i had to know that this person was my person in order for me to engage and at that point i didn't know who was my person so he didn't fuck well fuck. Well, I didn't say that directly.
You didn't say you didn't do other things. I didn't say they did other things, but I handled myself well, you know? And then also, too, like I said, there's always the pressure and the stereotype of, you know, me being the second Black Bachelor.
You know, people were going to think I'm a player or this or that, or I'm just trying to get my rocks off. And I wasn't.
You know, I went in there with, with real intentions. And, you know, prior to that, I had been celibate for a year.
So I got, I got out of a seven relationship and I was hurting. So like, you know, sex is great, but I wanted to make sure it was with somebody who, who was my person.
And then we could fuck all the time, you know? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.
I don't know.

Are you nervous?

I mean, obviously, Women Tell All has been filmed.

It airs this Monday, this upcoming Monday.

Right.

Does it?

Next Monday.

This Monday. That was an argument we had earlier.

Next Monday or this Monday?

This Monday, I believe, right?

Well, how would you describe?

Oh, shit.

Would you say this Monday or next Monday?

Well I mean I think

what day are we at?

Wednesday.

Shit that's a good question.

I would say this Monday.

The following Monday has passed so it will be this coming Monday.

Okay.

How did that go for you?

Were you nervous?

Were you questioned?

Were you interrogated?

I was interrogated. Like I said I was was definitely, some of the ladies had questions for me, which I could understand.
I could understand it's not easy being a bachelor. It's not an easy feat.
It's not an easy job. And yeah, I had to answer to some things, but like I said, I just took accountability.
And the worst thing you could do in my situation is get emotional and, you know, emotional to the point where you start to clap back and do something back. So whatever feelings you had, I just took accountability.
You know, I, and I'm not perfect. You know, I, you know, I may not be the best, you know, but I did my, I did my best.
And I think that the ladies perceived that well. And yeah, I did my best.
So. What's the most surprising thing that you've learned about yourself going through this process? It was like a therapy session for me, honestly, you know, situation that, you know, coming up, you're going to see me reconnecting with my dad and me just knowing I had a lot of stuff inside that I was just holding in.
You know, as a man, I try to always be strong and like, try to keep that face, that brave face, but sometimes you got to let it out. You know, you got to let it out.
You got to be in tune with your emotions. And I feel like I tried that, you know, not that I tried that, but this journey really awakened that in me, you know, my emotional side.
And to say, you know, it's okay to speak on how you feel as long as you're not crying everywhere. You know, there's a place in time as a man to let yourself be vulnerable.
You know, I think it's a strength. Absolutely.
And also, are you surprised that the process worked in the way that it has? No, I think, I think the process works if you go in there and you're ready. If it, well, not to say that, but for, there's also external factors, but for me, because I was at a point where I was like super ready, I did my, I did my best to, to, to make it work, you know? And like I said, obviously there's external factors, you know, it's both people that have to make it work.
But from my end, you know, I was ready. I've noticed that this season is a bit truncated compared to previous ones.
When I was hometowns for my season was week nine. Right.
So this week six, did you have any conversations with the producers about this being shorter than previous seasons or you know or did you even did you even realize that no i did i i did realize it was shorter and you know there's some there's some things with the network obviously i don't really know you know maybe scheduling or things like that but listen i was emotionally i was getting drained so i mean i'm glad it was only six six or seven weeks because i would have started to spiral if it wasn't, so. Yeah, I mean, I'm glad it was only six or seven weeks because I would have started to spiral if it wasn't.
Yeah, I mean, I'm thinking about just like, in terms of like, how does that affect, you know, your ability to fall in love and things like that. I think we're, and my guess is probably not much, you know, for me, like I kind of knew who I was going to pick fairly early on and things like that.
And a lot of the other weeks and other dates are just like the drama on the tv right tv element so you felt like it didn't really affect your ability to connect with the people that you care about the most no it didn't affect my ability like i'm a lover boy so i was falling like you know it doesn't take me a lot see i was falling what like week two so i was like it didn't really take a lot but it does it does when you start to fall and then you form another connection here that's where things you wish you had a little more time to kind of like really figure things out okay how scary was hometowns in the sense of like usually you're meeting somebody's just one set of parents or family or friends and it's like you did four so like i did a lot back to back you know like how did that feel like having to prepare for a different was it three well dina's family didn't well still friends friends sometimes there's a lot of friends too friends are scarier than family sometimes yeah no uh not that i was scared i just you know at first you walk in there with nerves you might be a little nervous But then when you meet the families and they're so welcoming and cool,

it's like, oh, this isn't hard.

I'm just going to be myself.

So going in there, I was a little nervous.

But I said, I'm just going to be myself.

And whoever accepts me for me, that's a sign.

When Juliana's dad was like, hey, kissing my daughter,

did you get a little tight in the stomach?

Or did you know he was joking?

Nah, I knew he was joking. He was such a cool guy.

I knew he was messing around. I'd like to play a little game.
Let's do it. Okay.
Let's do it. What we got? And I want to apologize.
If you are in a relationship, I do want to apologize to the one you picked. Okay.
I want to ask you to describe what a life would be like with Jules. And then I want you to describe to me what a life would be like with Latia.
Titi. Titi.
Titi. And Zoe.
And Zoe. We still have Zoe.
He could. All respect to Zoe.
Love Zoe. But he's not saying anything.
I was like, there's not. I'm just not going to make him do that.
If he wants to do that, he is welcome to do that. And I know he can't say anything.
I was like, there's not. I'm just not going to make him do that.

If he wants to do that,

he is welcome to do that.

And I know he can't say anything specifically,

but this is my question.

It's my game.

Oh my God.

And again,

I do want to apologize

if you are in a relationship

with the person

you are in a relationship with

because it's no fun

to hear Grant describe

what a relationship

would be like

with someone

he decided not to pick.

For sure.

So I want to recognize that whoever you are to tt or jewels this is a me question don't get mad at grand uh you can hate me okay all right uh describe to me what a life with jewels would be like i think it would be very family orientated i think it would be fun i think it would be a lot of uh us building each other building each other up and healing each other from our past experiences that we went through and I think it would be fun. I think it would be a lot of us building each other, building each other up and healing each other from our past experiences that we went through.
And I think it would be a relationship founded in friendship. Where would y'all be living? Thank you very much.
You're welcome. Probably on the East Coast.
Probably on the East Coast. You know, I grew up on the East Coast.
So yeah, typically maybe in the city somewhere. Okay.
What would like your nights look like? Are we like going out we cooking are we watching a movie are we hitting the clubs okay yeah we might we might hit hit a bar too but you know i think wine some great food uh some good vibes some good friends and then maybe we might go out and dance uh how quickly would a relationship with you and Jules result in children?

Oh, man.

Immediately.

Yeah, I don't know about immediately.

I think that my time horizon is before I'm 35.

Before I leave?

I'm 31.

Okay.

So I think that it would be something that we take on.

You can't really say.

You can't really.

You could plan it out, but I think it would just be something that happens instead of us being like, we want it by this time.

Where would your first trip together be as a couple? Probably, probably Italy. He's Italian.
Oh, yeah, so cool. That's a good place.
Okay. Titi.
Titi. All right.
Yeah, with Latia or Titi, I think it would be, you know, like another relationship rooted in family. I think that it would be a lot of similar morals that we have.
I think it would be fun, loving, nurturing. I think it would be very serious.
And I think that the family aspect, it would be something that we would be getting into sooner rather than later. Yeah.
Her family did very much not hold back that she's ready for children. Are you talking about the kids part? Yeah.
It would be like probably in a year or two. And where would y'all be living? And does that work with your 35-year-old? Yeah, it's anywhere before 35.
Yeah, anywhere before 35. So if it's like, you know, if that's 32, 33, then it's that.
But if it's 35, it's just whenever it happens. Where are y'all living? Probably somewhere either on the East Coast or somewhere in Utah.
Aren't you in Texas now? I'm in Texas. So you're getting the fuck out of Texas no matter what.
Why are you staying in Texas? Oh, I've been there for a while. I have property there, so I can leave that.
And for me, I've been alone for a while, so I probably would go to where my fiance is happy. You know what I'm saying? And I would probably build around that.
What's Jules' favorite movie and what's TT's favorite movie? Damn, that's a good question.

I would say for Latia,

I think it would definitely be a rom-com

like The Notebook.

I know that's cliche,

but we had talked about that.

It's a good movie.

And I think for Juliana,

it would probably be The Godfather,

The Goodfellas, what is it?

No, there's Goodfellas and Godfather.'s italian the godfather the godfather for sure the goodfellas godfather who cooks who's cooking in each of these relationships i cook i you know i love to cook my desk that's the way my dad kind of like show love to me he would like make me food and it was weird because he'd like watch me eat it i don't know it's a weird thing thing, but I probably would cook, but we both cook. There's room for growth, both of us.
Room for growth. Room for growth in that.
Who's making the bed? I'm not the best bed maker. You know what Nick said the other day? He hasn't made a bed since middle school.
I'm with you, bro. My mind is all over the place.
I don't make my bed like that. What's the point?

What's the point?

You're going to get it later.

You're going to get back in.

That is not true because if he gets into a bed that's not made, he's like, really wish

this was made.

Well, now that I have a wife who can make my bed, like I was like, do your bed.

No, but seriously, when you, there's something good about getting into a bed.

It's better sleeping in a bed that's made than when that's not.

Sure.

That's true.

Yeah. I'm like, yuck.
Right before you get in at night, you can like straighten out. You can straighten it out.
All right. I'm sticking with my, I think he picks Jules.
Well, I am, I love Latia so much. So I'm hoping it's her.
Jules has been my day one. I will say on first episode, I picked Latia and Jules to the final two.
Yeah. So.
She did. What gave that away? She has eyes.
It's like really obvious. Yeah.
Actually, I did not. I think it was just, I saw the connection.
I think they are both so stunning. I think they're both so smart.
I think they're funny. I think y'all had a good connection.
I want it to be Latia just because. She's amazing.
I don't know. I just see it.
I just see it. We did say that Latia looks like she is like a creature, like a siren, like a creature from like a fantasy.
When she was riding that horse in the woods, I was like, oh, this is beautiful creature. And I mean creature in the best possible way.
Like Bambi, like she's like, yeah. But obviously if it's Juliana, I also like love her and like wanted you to pick her as well.
You know what I'm saying? I am team both. We have to, we got to tune in and see.
I think you had an amazing connection with both. I think you really were torn.
Um, and I think as much of a man as a God as you might be, uh, I feel like Latia's faith is, is unique and different than yours. And I can't help but wonder, well, I think regardless, that made your choice challenging, right? Because she's very passionate about her religion.
And you had six or seven weeks to get to know all these women and both these women. And I don't know, I feel like it would be impossible in that environment, in your shoes, to get whatever clarity you would need to know is like, is this something we could make work, we could do? Like, you clearly had all the respect in the world for her faith and her family, and they were wonderful to you and very welcoming.
But like, I think whatever decision you made, you made a huge leap of faith because that's the choice. Like, it's always a leap of faith.
you're saying like in the time frame that we had that being a question was a really that's another that's another decision that that's another decision you have to figure out it's another leap of faith it's like it's one thing you know can we are compatible and i i feel like ultimately that's why you ended up picking jewel well we gotta we gotta see you know that's tune in you know team Zoe of course you have some justice for Zoe if you pick fucking Zoe

after all. That was crazy.
Did you see that Alex said that you playing? Was it Nick? Yeah, I saw that. You know, like I said, I tried, I've never done that before.
I tried something new. We were in the mall and the producer just brought out a piano.
I'm like, well, fuck it. I was like, I might you know i i don't regret it you know i tried something put myself out there you know she's the goofy one yeah i thought you like fun and games if anything alex was the one that i thought she would receive that you brought out a llama yeah but yo like i it's not something i you know i think it was something that you know i tried it you know you tried you win you some you lose some uh overall just uh you happy you said yes to this experience yeah i'm very happy i'm very happy i learned a lot about myself and you know the outcome was i'm happy with when you released party girls great song great song first of all listen there's mixed reviews but i i did it because that's how i was feeling the producers did they did they know you're gonna no i just did it i went rogue i went you know you know something the original idea was you know because love and music are synonymous so there was gonna be like a story for each episode with each woman and night one was a party you know but then they said no yeah automatically i got so much backlash i was like i was like pull that shit in like it's not don't do it i'm like oh shit i mean that's that's me it's good man like that's my personality you know like i i'm creative i like to have fun and love doesn't have to look one way it's not linear yeah we gotta make that a bop this summer i think you should lean in when you get done to that end obviously

you know I know when I say what's next

and you're gonna be like I'm gonna focus on love and

going back to normal and blah blah blah

but like listen this is an incredible opportunity

you were gifted I had turned that opportunity

into what I'm doing now

it opened up a lot of doors for me

like this experience does give you incredible

access right so like

all the you know fans and like pressuring you into like not talking about this opportunity, because I think you can both be serious about finding love and take advantage of this gift that you were given. Like, what would you like to do next? And how would you like to use this opportunity? You don't get to say, give back.
No, no, no. Yes, you will give back.
I am sure you will donate your time and you will use it for good. But selfishly, what do you want to do with this experience and how would you like to, to, to, to utilize it? Yeah.
I think in love, there's a whole, like obviously the bachelor has a very, um, they have an audience that's been with them for so long. I think that on the other side, there's people that, that a little differently.
So in my creative mind, I'm like, okay, well, how could you kind of be the host of a show where you match me? So I came up with this concept. It's called spin the block.
It would be a woman or a lady who would be the prize and then a man who maybe needs an upgrade. He will come to her.
She has a choice to say like, would you would you want to date this guy no he has a chance to spend the day with me being me and then i would you know teach him how to dress teach him how to talk you know maybe i'll teach him how to this is a tv show no like a like a youtube series but it would have to be obviously approved but it would and then after that after you ever seen hitch yeah it would be me playing the role of hitch and then after that he comes back and then if they like each other after he quote-unquote spun the block it would you know you should ask for uh forgiveness and not permission yeah yeah but obviously i gotta i gotta see what but that's just a concept you know so something like that you're obviously a creative person and you're in your in your creativity has has talent behind it so uh that's a fun idea and listen's cool. And listen, I hit fuck, man.
Like, trial and error. If that doesn't work out, man, just keep fucking swinging.
Keep trying things. I was roller skating, doing shirtless Bob Ross paintings.
I was trying it all, man. You try it.
You gotta figure it out. Figure it out.
And I think that has a cultural relevance to it. You know, like I said to, um, that's a saying that people say in, in, in, in culture, like I'm going to spin the block.
It's something that it's culturally relevant and it may be open to a different audience that sees love a little differently than what's presented on the bachelor. Well, that's awesome, man.
Well, very excited to see how things play out for you. Uh, whoever you end up with, it like you have uh some great women uh at at the at the end and um wait one more question go ahead ask how nervous are you to talk to uh your runner-up i'm not nervous i think that obviously i'm gonna have to answer to some things you know which is it's it's that's normal but i lay with my heart and I laid it out there and you can't go wrong as long as you're honest and as long as you put it all out there.
So I'm not nervous. Do you anticipate hurt feelings? I do.
I do. I mean, I would be hurt.
Have you made any contact whatsoever with that person since filming? No, I didn't. And the reason being, and just out of respect for everybody, I just don't feel like it's, I don't think it's the right thing.
I think that, you know, things will be answered on that day. To your knowledge, are Jules and Latia close? I'm not sure.
I'm not sure. You know? Okay.
All right, Grant. It's been fun talking to you, man.
Wish you the best of luck. Excited to see if you are with someone I anticipate that you might be and i'm excited to see who that is and uh you know selfishly i do hope you run up a little pissed so that we can like i can get grilled at that some drama but like listen man like you you you should be really proud of how you handle yourself uh you were an exceptional bachelor i think so and um you know congratulations on on your journey and excited to see how it ends means a means a lot coming from you, Nick.
I appreciate it, man, for real. All right, buddy.
Take care. Thank you, guys.
Thank you. Hope you guys enjoyed this episode.
Thank you to our guests, Ingrid Andres and Grant Ellis. So much fun talking to both of them.
Be sure to join us tomorrow for a very electric and awesome Going Deep deeper with one of the finalists from Traders.

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Also, if you haven't listened to Tuesday's Reality Recap, Taylor Ann Green was with us along with Carolyn from Traders.

It was a wild and wacky episode.

Be sure to check that out as well.

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