E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets

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Speaker 7 What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I am your host, Nick.

Speaker 7 And I'm really pissed that Damiemore didn't win an Oscar.

Speaker 7 I felt like, you know, here's the thing about Oscars: like, I get it, like, they're like a one-off situation, but like, sometimes it really feels like there should be some sort of like consideration for like the actor and their career.

Speaker 11 They do that sometimes. That's kind of why Jamie Lee Curtis won Best Appointing Actor.

Speaker 7 Well, then, why not know? I mean, in no disrespect to our winner, Mikey Madison.

Speaker 11 Yes. Anora was incredible.
She did some great accent work, but it is fun.

Speaker 12 What did you want? Demi Moore to win for?

Speaker 7 The substance. Are you watched?

Speaker 11 No.

Speaker 12 You're a big fan of body horror about like Margaret Craley crawling out of the back of Demi Moore's.

Speaker 7 Guys, it's not about me.

Speaker 11 It's about Demi.

Speaker 7 You know, I don't have to, like, the art's not for me. I'm not a fan of body horror, but like, I'm a huge fan of Demi and her career.
And I think it's an incredible story.

Speaker 7 And she's someone who like has taken a couple ears off. She's been some sings here and there.
And for her to come out and be in the substance and like crush it.

Speaker 7 And I've heard nothing but amazing things from everyone who's seen the movie. And I just would have loved her to win.

Speaker 11 Her losing is kind of the plot of the substance.

Speaker 7 That's what I saw a tweet

Speaker 7 saying to me, more losing to Mikey is basically the plot of substance. Yeah.

Speaker 11 It's, you know,

Speaker 11 younger actors being more lauded for work, whereas older women kind of get brushed over.

Speaker 7 But she did win the Golden Globe.

Speaker 11 And the Oscars famously don't always make the right decision.

Speaker 7 But the Golden Globe is kind of like, they took a couple years off. It's like, doesn't even, it's an even award show anymore.

Speaker 7 I mean, Nikki, Nikki brought it back in the best possible way.

Speaker 12 Not only did Nikki bring it back, but then her comedic gold was solidified with Adam Sandler using her joke as the punchline for his bit.

Speaker 7 She won the Critics Choice Award as well.

Speaker 11 And the Satellite Award.

Speaker 11 And she won the SAG.

Speaker 12 So basically, they're saying she doesn't deserve an Oscar because she has so many other awards at this point.

Speaker 7 Well, I'm not saying she wasn't. She's not really trying to be different.

Speaker 11 Well, I think Anora also swept the Oscars. So it kind of, they do that.

Speaker 7 Literally have never heard of the movie.

Speaker 12 It's an incredible movie what's it about it's about i saw an interview where she there was like there was not an intimacy coordinator there wasn't it's a it's indie but they both were like it was like some intense sex scenes i guess if you both sign off of that and you're both like hey listen how did amelia perez win anything after

Speaker 7 because people are stupid okay but but uh no because there's more than you know there's more than just one actor who made that movie that's just one person who i thought it was the director now wasn't no it was just the it was best song.

Speaker 7 He's the lead actor or something.

Speaker 11 There's a lot of criticisms about Amelia Perez outside of the Carlos Sophia Gascon of it all.

Speaker 7 My only criticism is really like, I just want to start hearing of more movies that are actually talked about at the Oscars as opposed to like we know about Wicked.

Speaker 12 It does feel like it's the same, like three movies that just like keep winning and keep talking about it and keep I mean Wicked didn't really win that much.

Speaker 7 That's what I'm saying. It's even the more obscure, you know, it's just like, I don't know, Adrian Brody won another Oscar for essentially playing the same role

Speaker 7 that he won an Oscar for 20 years ago.

Speaker 7 And then in between those 20 years, we've only seen him in like some random cameos. He's had a very insurrection.
He's in succession. He was in a camp.
He had a

Speaker 7 bit in succession. He had a role as a bad guy in one of the seasons of Peaky Blinders.

Speaker 11 I heard this is a, I don't, I can't substantiate this as fact.

Speaker 11 But I heard that he was waiting to see if he won the Oscar before he would take any other roles.

Speaker 12 Well, it's only way way to do it.

Speaker 7 Sounds very Adrian Brody.

Speaker 12 He's got actor brain for sure.

Speaker 7 He's very serious about it.

Speaker 15 He did when he was going on stage to do a speech through his like gum to his girlfriend.

Speaker 7 Did you see that? Love. He was like chewing.

Speaker 15 He's like, oh my God. She caught it.
She was like, I got it.

Speaker 7 He threw it.

Speaker 12 How did she feel about the kiss with Hallie Berry?

Speaker 7 Yeah. Haven't heard from her.
Well, wasn't it revenge? How would you feel about it?

Speaker 12 Um, I'd probably be like, I don't really know what they're referring to. Like, I don't remember this like iconic moment 22 years ago.
So I don't know if it was like as I don't remember that moment.

Speaker 7 Can we bring it up? But irregardless, I'm assuming Adrian wasn't dating the same person from that moment.

Speaker 7 So like if let's say 10 years ago, I'm in a different relationship and then I don't know. Was Holly Berry married then? I don't know.

Speaker 7 So like let's say if I were single, if I were single 10 years ago and then my co-star, I don't know what this let's say I kissed her.

Speaker 12 Why are they kissing though?

Speaker 7 I guess apparently he kissed her.

Speaker 11 He kissed her out of kind of nowhere at the Oscars a long time ago and she like kind of got him back.

Speaker 12 The two first crossed paths on stage at the 2003 Oscars.

Speaker 12 When Barry presented Brody with the best actor statue at first performance of the pianist, when Brody took to the stage to accept the award, he embraced Barry, kissing her and remarking, I bet they didn't tell you that that was in the gift bag.

Speaker 12 So he surprised her because he was so excited about winning the award and like laid one on her. And then Hallie repaid the gesture on the carpet.

Speaker 7 How pissed would you be if like 10 years ago, someone who I worked with in the past

Speaker 7 they get dips because, like, at one point 10 years ago, we did a bit. But it's also Halli Berry.
Yeah. And it's also

Speaker 7 the most beautiful woman ever in the world. Literally, so perfect.

Speaker 12 Yeah, I would probably, we would probably have maybe a little bit of a fight.

Speaker 7 You think it would be like a quiet ride home? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 12 Yeah, definitely. I'm like, legs are shifted towards the door and window.

Speaker 7 I'm looking at it. The body language would be body language.

Speaker 11 What if Nick also won an Oscar that night?

Speaker 7 I mean, congrats. But like, what does that do for me? It's Hallie Berry, though.

Speaker 15 That's a flex for you. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Like Hallie Berry.

Speaker 12 But they already kissed 10 years ago. So it's like still a flex for me because like my boyfriend.

Speaker 11 But he kissed her 20 years ago.

Speaker 12 I mean, I feel like I would still, regardless, be like, hey, I feel like maybe

Speaker 14 no.

Speaker 7 No.

Speaker 7 It does feel a little like, oh, okay, I guess.

Speaker 12 Maybe if he like told her, like, hey, are you cool with this? Like, me and Allie are planning on like creating this moment.

Speaker 7 Later in the night, he throws her his gum.

Speaker 11 and then gives a five minute

Speaker 7 it wasn't like hey babe like you know when you're when your your loving partner like sticks out their hand like this and says babe you need to stab it out your gum it wasn't like that he like fucking woman check my gum did he say anything about her in his five minute long speech yeah

Speaker 11 did he say something about how remember but he did break a guinness world record for the longest speech they were they playing that music over him he yes and he said i've been here before stop do you ever see a snl appearance where yes i have

Speaker 11 Where he does a Jamaican accent to introduce a band that was not planned. It was not planned.
He did that. He took a, he hasn't been, but it's a rumor they got banned.

Speaker 11 They don't ban anyone because they don't care.

Speaker 7 I do have a little like Oscar, a T, our babysitter, also an elite socialite, got to go to all the Oscar parties last night.

Speaker 12 She was running late this morning. She was like, I just got home.

Speaker 12 Okay, can't wait to leave you in the hands of she's everyone's going on that time right now.

Speaker 7 She's our babysitter and also like Gussies with like, you know, aliasers. Turns out, I guess there's also like an elite Hollywood party that people go to.
I forgot his last name.

Speaker 7 She said his name's Guy or something. I don't know.
Guy Pierce?

Speaker 12 No.

Speaker 7 Guy Richie. No, it's not an actor.
Guy Fieri. It's not an actor's name.

Speaker 12 Guy Fieri is like where everyone's going.

Speaker 7 I've never heard this person's name. They may be like some like hot shit.

Speaker 12 Apparently he used to be married to Madonna. Oh, okay.

Speaker 7 Guy Richie. That's Guy Richie.
Guy Richie.

Speaker 7 No, I would have known Guy Richie. Maybe it's Guy Richie.
She did not. She could have got his last name wrong.
I don't know.

Speaker 7 There's a guy named Guy. Okay.
He throws cool Oscar parties. And word on the street is Miles Teller.
Excellent dancer. Oh?

Speaker 12 Like, shut down the dance.

Speaker 7 He was in Footloose. Miles Teller? He was in Footloose.
He wasn't. Oh my God.
2011.

Speaker 7 Throwback. Well, there you go.
Now the calendar.

Speaker 7 My Teller strikes me as a guy who, like, I feel like a lot of actors in Hollywood, like, just, you know, generally theater kids, maybe it's a stereotype, but like,

Speaker 7 they grew into themselves in adult life and they really got cool after they became celebrities. And I feel like Miles Teller has a little bit of like, he was always a little cool.

Speaker 11 He was cool in the gorge.

Speaker 7 He always, I haven't seen it, is it good?

Speaker 11 It's the gorge. It's fun.

Speaker 7 Okay, it's fun. He was in Divergent.
He was in Divergent.

Speaker 11 He danced in The Gorge.

Speaker 7 Apparently, he's got some moose, and I would like to dance with him, toe-to-toe.

Speaker 7 Go ahead, head.

Speaker 15 People did say you need dance lessons after the Bella Thorne promo.

Speaker 7 All right, calm down, internet. I wasn't like trying.
I was just being weird. You're acting, in my opinion.

Speaker 7 Speaking of, it's a wild and dramatic episode, the one with Bella Thorne and Going Deeper last week. Also, this Friday, not Wednesday, we have a very special going deeper.

Speaker 7 A finalist of Traders will be with us. You will be very excited about who they are.
And that will be this Friday following, directly following the finale and reunion of Traders this week.

Speaker 7 So change your schedule. We'll be with you on Friday.
Reality recap is Thursday, as always.

Speaker 12 Well, we were out of town this past weekend and I got a pinched nerve in my back. Oof.
Terrible, awful. I've never had one before.
It was the worst thing I've ever experienced. And it's because

Speaker 7 you're getting closer to 30. Yeah, I'm getting closer to 30.
I'm getting old, everybody. I'm getting old.

Speaker 7 Yikes.

Speaker 12 So, no, it's because we didn't bring a crib for River. So she slept in the bed with us.

Speaker 12 And she sleeps like a crazy person, like, no, literally, spread starfish, like legs up, legs down, head in the left. It's the crazy.
Yeah.

Speaker 12 So I had, and I'm not exaggerating, maybe three inches of space on that bed. And the entire night, I'm like straining to not fall off the bed.

Speaker 12 You know, so I'm like tightening every muscle to like stay on the bed.

Speaker 7 That is me most nights, by the way. I was going to say, sounds like great sleep.

Speaker 12 No, I look over at Nick and he's like, he has, he is so, he forgets that it's a king-size bed and he could be on the complete other side and I wouldn't even know he's there.

Speaker 12 But no, he's right up under me as well.

Speaker 12 So the next morning, I am like bending down to get river or changing her diaper doing something like, and I twist and it's over for me so then i tell nick i'm like

Speaker 12 i've i've pinched a nerve in my back like seriously and river keeps i keep having to like bend down and pick river up and he's like well first of all you shouldn't be bending you should be squatting like are you kidding me are you kidding right now

Speaker 7 he's like you this like rule number one you squat and i'm like Sure, but this has nothing to do with my form right now. Like this was because of our sleeping arrangements.

Speaker 7 Maybe.

Speaker 12 Also, also, I love that there's a tip, not a, I got it.

Speaker 7 No, Yeah.

Speaker 12 Not like a, oh my gosh, I'm so sorry, honey.

Speaker 7 What happened? It's like a legal thing. Explaining facts.
Man,

Speaker 12 you gotta start squatting. You cannot bend.

Speaker 7 Rule number one.

Speaker 7 Don't do that.

Speaker 7 So helpful. Then she punched me.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 7 There.

Speaker 7 We saw a very famous person. I'm not going to say who because I want to.
It was very cool. It was cooler than Meg Ryan.
It doesn't matter. And they checked out River.

Speaker 7 And this very famous person looked at our beautiful daughter and kind of went, hmm. And then we were at a restaurant that served both, it was a, it was a Sunday morning lunch.
I don't know.

Speaker 7 Sunday lunch. We went and got lunch.
And that in this particular place serves lunch. They also have a breakfast buffet of some sorts.

Speaker 12 So brunch?

Speaker 7 Buffet. Yeah.
Is that what you want?

Speaker 12 You keep saying they served lunch, but they also served lunch.

Speaker 7 But it's the buffet.

Speaker 12 It was a brunch. Yes, it was a brunch buffet.

Speaker 7 It's a me thing. I don't know.

Speaker 7 This is like i'm maybe i'm alone here and i as someone who grew up in a large family yes we went to have you are you guys familiar with old country buffet yep what about hometown buffet i'm not familiar with but i imagine it's very it's the same thing

Speaker 7 there was also like the ponderosa buffet just like buffets in general like we frequented them as children growing up but like as an adult i will say the like One of the very few things that I really appreciate and the privileges that I enjoy the most is the ability to like level up when it comes to like quality of food.

Speaker 7 And I just like, I'm of the opinion, and maybe I'm alone, that if you like go to a restaurant that serves like individual meals and you can like order off the menu and just get like your own dinner, I don't know in their, who in their right mind would opt for the community food that's been sitting out for hours and several, I don't know how many people have been scooping out of the same fucking food.

Speaker 7 But this A-list celebrity with I can only imagine what their wealth may be, like opted for the buffet. And I was really like, wow, they're really just like us, not stars.
For sure. You are judging us.

Speaker 7 I was like, ew, disgusting. Oh, my God.
How, how could they?

Speaker 12 Were you considering, like, are they going through a tough time financially?

Speaker 7 Like, it raised a lot of questions. I was like, oh, my God, what are they doing?

Speaker 11 Maybe they just always appreciate.

Speaker 12 a good deal. A selection.

Speaker 7 Maybe so. Yes.
I mean, again, like, this is my snobby side coming out. But I, who.
Were you at a fancy restaurant?

Speaker 16 Yes. Buffets are amazing.

Speaker 7 I love buffets. God.

Speaker 7 really also I love a buffet it is the era of charcuterie so some people like to snack on the options versus getting one of the same things there's nothing gross to you about like just you know I don't know mashed potatoes half gone who knows how long it's been out there sitting under a lamp Nick you're talking to people who eat whole foods hot bar for lunch consistently

Speaker 7 I guess right I mean I really am alone but that's a whole there's a whole like half the city is hot girls go to air one and pay thirty dollars for orange chicken that's true true.

Speaker 7 That's been sitting out there. I just find it to be fucking appalling and disgusting.

Speaker 12 I do think it's one thing to like, yeah, go to like get a lunch at an Air One or a Whole Foods and do like the hot bar. But if you're at a restaurant that serves you, like you have your own

Speaker 12 waiter.

Speaker 7 You have a waiter.

Speaker 12 You can order a burger.

Speaker 7 You're in a bunch of chitlings.

Speaker 12 No, I feel that way about I unbelt sushi. Like I love going to the sushi places that do that, but I only order from fresh from the kitchen.

Speaker 7 You're the issue there.

Speaker 7 No, my God.

Speaker 12 Go to a different restaurant but it's still good sushi i just don't want to pick it off because i don't know how many times it's gone around the entire restaurant

Speaker 7 touched it opened it that's put it back to be fresh and warm and hot it needs to be like i want it right out of whatever it's a hot salad whatever it's meant to be that's what i want it to be if it's meant to be ice cold i want it fucking ice cold like oh god nothing worse than a shrimp cocktail thank you

Speaker 7 it's like that's a little like melted oh my god i'll lose my fucking mind

Speaker 12 the amount of times he's like I'm going to order a shrimp cocktail. And then as soon as it hits the table, he's like, this is not going to be good.

Speaker 7 This is not cool. This is not spiny.
I won't eat it. This is not cold enough.

Speaker 7 And there'll be like four uneaten shrimp with like one bite. And they're like, oh, you don't like it? No, it's totally great.
Like, it's fine.

Speaker 7 I won't send it back. I won't.
Like, that's a me problem. I recognize my.

Speaker 11 Psychosis? Yeah.

Speaker 7 I was going to say piccadillos, but like, whatever.

Speaker 12 You are the pickiest eater.

Speaker 15 I'm surprised you don't argue or not, you don't confront the waiters when it's wrong.

Speaker 7 It's a me problem. Yeah.
I mean, like, like, I can't.

Speaker 7 I'm not so arrogant that I would expect an entire restaurant to change how they do things. Okay.
And I'm not a chef.

Speaker 7 I mean, I like to cook, but like, who am I to be like, can I talk to the chef, please? And like, critique their shrimp cocktail.

Speaker 15 But what if they accidentally put mayonnaise on whatever you ordered?

Speaker 7 Yeah, I will very gently and politely say, like, you know, again, I'm crazy and like, I must not have asked for it

Speaker 7 five times.

Speaker 7 No, but then I'll say.

Speaker 12 Plain, plain, just lettuce.

Speaker 7 Please don't spin on my food.

Speaker 7 No salt. I'll always ask him not to spin on my food.

Speaker 7 Okay.

Speaker 7 But I'm very gentle. But like, if it's just a how they did it, I mean, I guess it's like, oh, I guess I'll never come back.

Speaker 7 You know?

Speaker 12 Still need to figure out this shake shack in first class of whether or not he gets a plain burger.

Speaker 7 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 7 I'll let you know on Wednesday. Okay.

Speaker 7 Well, I'm flying. I have to fly to.

Speaker 7 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 7 You had the option. You had the option.
Option.

Speaker 16 The option.

Speaker 7 I can't.

Speaker 7 are you staying behind so this is where you fly

Speaker 7 exactly if i don't go he upgrades to first and i'm not i did not get upgraded that's i'm i'm you requested youtube's paying for me to fly to dc and teach people how to do the internet i guess hell yeah yeah congrats to teach people how to secure their own first class seats yeah get another youtube or kid yeah sorry natalie no she could have i she she She could have come.

Speaker 7 She could have came. But we've been obviously traveling so much.

Speaker 7 We've been going and going and going. And I am representing the family.

Speaker 12 Once again. Once again.

Speaker 7 And thank God for it. Once again.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 We have an amazing episode lined up for you. The one and only, truly one and only.
Carolyn from Traders is with us, as well as Taylor Green from Southern Charm. They are both with us this episode.

Speaker 7 It's wild, wacky, and fun. Carolyn, wild stuff.
So we recorded the Carolyn bit last week.

Speaker 7 We did go out of town, and basically last week at some time, the day we were leaving town a member of the household here Zach

Speaker 7 has some connections with the survivor franchise Carolyn famously has been part of that franchise and so we were there was some back and forth we were trying to get Carolyn on she wasn't like in the right space at that point to do the interview and then like the day of when we were flying out Carolyn was flying to LA and then we found out that Carolyn decided that she wanted to come on the show and there was like a 10 minute window between like when I had to go to the airport and when Carolyn was like, you know, we had Zach go pick her up at the airport and try to get her in.

Speaker 7 So that's later this episode. I had like 10 minutes to talk with Carolyn and then Justin and Sierra graciously finished that interview.

Speaker 7 So that is later this episode. She is, she's something.
Oh, yeah. She's a character and I adore her.
I can see why she did very well because you really don't know if she's doing a bit.

Speaker 7 or what's going to come out of her mouth next. Or what's going to come out of her mouth next.

Speaker 7 She really keeps you on your toes.

Speaker 7 It's a wild and wacky, fun interview. And again, we have Taylor on.
Speaking of thinking it was a bit,

Speaker 7 it's come to our attention.

Speaker 7 A couple weeks ago, we pointed out that we were surprised. You know, obviously, you guys know where we land in the Justin and Blake situation, yada, yada.

Speaker 7 And a lot of like big names people have like haven't really, most people just haven't spoken up about it, but like a lot of like the bigger names in Hollywood haven't.

Speaker 7 But like Whitney Cummings was someone who I thought was Team Justin because like I saw something something on X of her saying that Blake and Ryan were the most like obnoxious people in Hollywood.

Speaker 7 It's come to my attention by people close to the situation. Sources? Sources say that apparently she

Speaker 7 is Team Blake and not Team Justin and that the video that I saw, I guess was a bit. I don't know.
Didn't seem like a bit to me, but

Speaker 7 art is

Speaker 7 subjective. But good to know that Whitney Cummings is on Team Blake.
So we were wrong.

Speaker 12 We have another person on our side.

Speaker 7 We have one other person on our side. so that's good to know.
I harshly said that Whitney would be embarrassed when she realizes, you know, what the truth, well, what I think is the truth.

Speaker 7 Uh, but turns out she already is. So, our bad, our bad.
I'm my bad.

Speaker 11 Your bad. I, I mean, I stand by what I said.
Um, I don't really have a soul, so period.

Speaker 7 Soulless Mary, soulless me. Yeah.
Do you want to say why? Um, no, no, do you have a reason?

Speaker 12 I'll leave it up for interpretation.

Speaker 7 Yeah, okay, okay, okay, yeah, okay. Moving on, anyways,

Speaker 7 Whitney, I personally am sorry for not realizing it was a bit and glad to, glad to have at least one other person

Speaker 7 on our side.

Speaker 15 Did you watch the Ruby Frankie documentary?

Speaker 7 Oh my God, no, but I want to really.

Speaker 15 You need to. You need to.
Especially like you and I, Natalie, grew up in the era of like family vloggers. And like eight passengers was the thing back in the day.

Speaker 15 So to see like it unfold from their perspective is wild.

Speaker 12 It is crazy. I never, like, I had never heard of them.
Obviously, like, I know of so many other family vloggers.

Speaker 12 Um, but it's like watching, I saw some clips from the documentary and watching some of these clips, it just shows you like, honestly, what I feel like to be the truth of behind the scenes of every single one of these family vloggers who like make their children perform for the camera.

Speaker 12 Like, i.e.

Speaker 12 Ruby being like, who are you named after to her son?

Speaker 7 And he's like, my grandpa.

Speaker 12 And she's like, you say it with more like enthusiasm. Be happier when you say it.
And he's like, I'm just not happy right now. And she's like, well, you better act like you are.

Speaker 12 You know, and it's like, we're not going to do this if you're not. And then she's, he's like, my grandpa.
She's like, thank you. You know, it's just crazy how.

Speaker 12 And I feel like that's every single family vlogger who has their kids doing a bit or dancing or whatever the hell it may be. It's so sad.
Yeah. I mean, I'm like interested to watch, obviously.

Speaker 12 I think she's in prison for how long?

Speaker 15 I want to say it was 30 years, but I might be wrong with that. But basically, the daughter, Sherry, was like, I don't, I hope she's not out until like the kids are 18 or over.

Speaker 7 No, she's a monster.

Speaker 15 Yeah. But it is interesting to your point, Adelie, that in the documentary, the family surrendered over like thousands of hours of footage that was never seen.

Speaker 15 So you see all of the moments of her scolding them.

Speaker 12 Her being like, oh, well, I'll just cut this out whenever I edit it on YouTube. It's like, it reminds me so much of that.

Speaker 12 I don't even remember who, and I think I might have talked about this before, but I don't remember who the YouTuber was, but it was like her and her. maybe like six-year-old son.

Speaker 12 And she's like talking about how her dog had died. Yeah.
And she's like, we have to make a thumbnail. Cry.
Cry. And she's like, put your hand over your eyes like you're crying.

Speaker 12 And he's like, I don't want to.

Speaker 7 Or he's like, I am crying or something.

Speaker 12 And she's like, no, but like, make it look. Make it look like you're actually crying.
I mean, it's just this. It's, I mean, listen.

Speaker 7 For YouTube, though, like child actors, we've all heard all the horrific stories about Hollywood and child actors. And obviously, there's a lot of bad actors in Hollywood in

Speaker 7 terms of people who parents, good parents, thought their kids were safe and they weren't.

Speaker 7 But there's also like a lot of parents out there who like thrusted their kids into this space, pushed them into it, and kind of were like, you know, dance moms. Yeah.

Speaker 12 Our entire life depends on your success. So be successful.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 12 You know, I quit my job to move to LA to make sure that you're an actor at seven because you know what you want at seven. Yeah.
It's tough.

Speaker 11 Yeah. It's disheartening because I feel like there have been so many protections that have been created for child actors.

Speaker 11 And now with social media and the way like family influencers work, it's like that centralization of at least there are some people looking to protect.

Speaker 12 It kind of takes that out.

Speaker 7 Yeah. They'll make changes and like you're right those wrongs.

Speaker 12 I'm also like, I don't know that exploitation isn't exploitation just because you have an account for your kid making money doing it. Like, you know what I mean?

Speaker 12 Like, I feel like it's like one of those things where it's like, there's a lot of saying where it's like, well, it's a business and like we're preparing our kid because we have an account for them, but at the same time, it's like free will.

Speaker 12 Like, if I don't, if the kid doesn't want to film, does the kid not get to film?

Speaker 7 Yeah. Also, to be clear, like this, this story, I mean, her abuse was far beyond making her kids like record something they weren't in the mood to record.
It was like real terrify, terrible, horrific.

Speaker 12 Yeah, but seeing even the clip of like where she's trying to get the son to say like how happy he is about being renamed, but then she's screaming at the kids in the background.

Speaker 12 And it's like, if you don't shut up, then it's just like the fact that you could re-watch this editing these videos and be like, I'm not a monster is crazy.

Speaker 7 Most monsters don't see themselves as

Speaker 7 monsters.

Speaker 15 The beautiful part of the story is that the dad, like the ending of it brought the dad and the family back together.

Speaker 12 That's good. Did the dad, and this might be like a spoiler, but like, did the dad ever go against his wife, Ruby, at any point?

Speaker 7 Where is the dad in all this?

Speaker 15 He was essentially brainwashed.

Speaker 15 And like, if you watch, when you watch it, like, Jodi, who is the religious person that radicalized Ruby, she, like, pushed him out of the picture and like made him feel like, if you don't leave, then you're going to, like, you're going to ruin your family.

Speaker 15 So he basically made him isolate himself. He didn't talk to friends, family, anybody.
The older two siblings got kicked out, too.

Speaker 7 It's a whole thing.

Speaker 7 I don't know anybody.

Speaker 12 How is that not a weak man?

Speaker 15 He didn't know any of it.

Speaker 7 Like, when you watch it, he didn't know any of it. How do you know that?

Speaker 12 That was him whenever she was like, get out of this room. He was like, come on, kids, your mom's trying to work or something.

Speaker 7 But you know, like, how do you, how do you, how do you not know?

Speaker 15 I think watch it before you judge it because he even said, like, he regrets, like, one of his biggest regrets was when he left, he was the last line of defense for the children.

Speaker 7 I hear you. And I'm sure he has regrets.
And I hope at a minimum he has regrets. But how do you he's weak?

Speaker 15 He'll probably agree with you. Yeah, he was brainwashed by the situation.

Speaker 7 That's a that's a weak person. And like, yeah, we all have regrets.
And there's a lot of moments in our lives where we like reflect back and go, I could have said something. I should have stood up.

Speaker 7 I could have.

Speaker 7 I don't know. Your own kids.

Speaker 12 Yeah, there should have been someone there protecting.

Speaker 7 Your kids? Are you fucking? I mean.

Speaker 12 Well, Dylan Efron thinks showers are overrated.

Speaker 7 What is with hot, you know, I've seen this before with super hot people. Friend, Dean Uglert.
Also, you may know him, another very beautiful man.

Speaker 7 sometimes you just look at dean and go wow god really took more time on you and i think dean was is

Speaker 7 was i don't know i haven't seen dean in person in a while so hot that like he would be like i don't shower much and i don't know if it was like are you like are you trying to like be a little bit more grimy because you're so pretty or

Speaker 12 like is it like dylan's trying to be like a little bit more grimy because he's so pretty i think it's

Speaker 12 one of every like it's he said he was asked he was like playing some little game and he was asked about something he finds overrated and dylan Efron said, I think people shower too much.

Speaker 12 We take way too many showers. I go in the pool a lot.
Like there's chlorine. It's killing everything.
We don't need to soap our bodies every time we're in the shower either.

Speaker 7 First of all, there's a couple of flaws in that statement.

Speaker 7 He's opting for chlorine on his body. Then soap, as if soap is some sort of like unnecessary product to put on his skin.
Like, no, let's just douse myself in chemicals.

Speaker 7 And chemicals, like that's the go-to. Is he also, is he using soap in the pool? Or is it, again, just he's relying on the chemicals? And like, what is so inconvenient about a hot, steamy, warm shower?

Speaker 7 No one's expecting you to go in there for 20 or 30 minutes. It's like rinse the fuck off and rub, like, you know, pit, pit groin.

Speaker 12 It's the difference between the people who think camping is fun and the people who don't. Like, I don't find anything fun sleeping on the show.

Speaker 12 But I love a shower. I mean, he also did love all the bugs all over him and like touching all the bugs in Traders.

Speaker 7 So

Speaker 12 have you seen his Instagram?

Speaker 12 Like, it's like some of the things where it's like, even if you wanted to picture the idea of it's like homeboys like on a ledge or like on in between mountains hanging off of like a rope.

Speaker 7 And it's just like have Dylan and Rob from Love Island gotten together?

Speaker 12 Have Dylan and Rob from oh no.

Speaker 7 I feel like I thought you were talking about Boston friends for a second.

Speaker 7 Very beautiful people, like catching snakes, you know, really outdoorsy boys, like love to get in the mud, you know, like 100%.

Speaker 12 That's what I said. Dylan needs like a girl that wants to like hike 10 miles to get proposed to.
That could be.

Speaker 7 I feel pretty, but ironically, don't like showers. I just got the pool.

Speaker 11 I think the pretty and shower thing, I think my theory on this, and I do feel like this would be substantiated with science, is that if they do take a shower, they would be less hot.

Speaker 11 Maybe that's what's happening there.

Speaker 15 To Nick's point, though, it's always like the people with clear, perfect skin that don't wash their face.

Speaker 7 100%.

Speaker 7 Well,

Speaker 12 we had Vanita on last week to kind of clear up some of the JT in her rumors. And then we have this episode of Southern Charm that came out where we see.

Speaker 12 a little like moment that was described differently by the both of them. And Vanita took to her Instagram to say, let me make something very clear.

Speaker 12 And she kind of like calls out the editors for rearranging these like scenes and making it seem like she is a homewrecker, she says.

Speaker 7 What do they rearrange?

Speaker 12 She said that the dinner JT and I had after I made a brand Zeno was after the Bahamas, as y'all as an audience saw it before.

Speaker 12 So this week's episode is now making me look like I'm a homewrecker when I'm not. I know what I signed up for, but I also will not allow the world to think that I'm the woman that I'm when I'm not.

Speaker 12 Make sure you add this screenshot to all of the Reddit threads.

Speaker 7 So like the, you know, because that part where she goes up to his door and he's like, no camera. And he's like, wait, I have a girlfriend.
She feels like the editing made it seem like she knew that.

Speaker 7 And she's like showing up to his hotel room

Speaker 7 in the middle of the night for like a.

Speaker 12 And that's the story that she told us where she was like straddling him being like, you can't tell me you want this. You don't want this too.
And he was like, no, I'm kind of seeing someone.

Speaker 12 And then the confirmation was that dinner, but they put it out of order to make, yeah, Vanita looks good.

Speaker 7 JT is the worst. It's so dirty.
So schmarmy.

Speaker 11 He is the definition of schmarmy.

Speaker 7 I don't even know what the definition is, but he is it.

Speaker 11 It's JT in the dictionary.

Speaker 15 Well, that's not JT's fault. That's the editor's.

Speaker 7 Where she's like they clearly rearrange. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Like editors, like, especially since they rearranged scenes, like, obviously they, like, what's the reason why, right?

Speaker 7 They have to tell a story.

Speaker 15 But they told a story that didn't exist. That's where she's saying, like...

Speaker 7 Because that happens all the time in reality TV. And sometimes they're not even that serious.

Speaker 7 Like on Special Forces, when I was there, like, they rearranged like when I got hypothermia and when I didn't. And me personally, I was like, oh, that doesn't make sense.

Speaker 7 The viewer doesn't give a shit. But like that was more like Bodhi's episode.
And I think just storytelling around Bodhi and him going. And it's about her being called a homewrecker.

Speaker 12 So it's a little bit more like.

Speaker 7 Yeah, but for someone working in editing, they don't go, fuck. Like, it's, it's all, they're just editing.
That's what I'm saying. They're telling a story.

Speaker 15 And it wasn't JT's fault this specific instance. She's like, they painted it in a way that the storyline then said I was a homewrecker.

Speaker 7 I think JT seems to be have a little bit more pull. And like the fact that he said no cameras.
I'm just saying it's not impossible that like he got his way and Vanita didn't.

Speaker 7 Like, why did they do that?

Speaker 12 What was his way, just not having cameras in the room?

Speaker 7 Making it seem like, you know,

Speaker 7 Vanita is like telling this version of the story that he kind of hid the fact that he had a girlfriend from her and like leaned into this friendship slash like situationship.

Speaker 7 Are they, aren't they going to, is something going to happen? Like she had no idea. And then all of a sudden, like she shows up on camera.
If I, you know, he has a girlfriend.

Speaker 7 He's like immediately like, oh shit.

Speaker 7 Clearly it gave to me he's been like doing shit with Vanita, like in a certain way, telling one version to his girlfriend, telling another version of producers and Vanita.

Speaker 7 And like when she showed up like that, like, yeah, they, if this is how it was edited, it paints her in a shitty light where then he can go back to his girlfriend and been like, I fuck, she just showed up at my fucking door, you know?

Speaker 12 It also looks weird too, because it's like then JT after Vanita comes to his door the night before, goes and has one talk with Madison and like books a flight and leaves.

Speaker 12 So it also kind of like gives the illusion that something might have happened in that hotel room for him to have to leave. Well, I think he probably left because everyone fucking hates him.

Speaker 7 That too.

Speaker 12 And he was like, no. And remember, Sally was like, I am not getting on that fucking boat tomorrow.
If JT's there.

Speaker 12 I'm just saying, if you're watching a show and your boyfriend has a girl that's interested in him come to the hotel door and then say no cameras and then goes into the door and that's the end of the scene.

Speaker 12 What is that insight? That's true. I would have some questions for sure.
You know.

Speaker 15 Well, did you see also in an interview, Dolores said that Dariet was suutton's hannibal lecter which i don't get the hannibal lecter reference but i'll read you what she said so basically she said sutton take several seats you're not going to beat her you're dealing with a different animal sutton and it's out of your league you so you can be mad but you better reel it in real quick sutton you're no match i kind of agree with dolores here You think that Dorit is giving Hannibal Lecter level?

Speaker 7 No, I don't. I mean, like, I don't know about the analogy, but like, it's just more like you're kryptonite.
You can't beat this person in this particular match. I understand.

Speaker 7 Like, Dorit's going through a divorce. She kind of is like, you know, what's the common phrase? Like, don't pick a fight with someone who has nothing to lose.
Yep.

Speaker 7 You know, and Darit is giving like, I don't give a fuck anymore. My life's crumbling around me.
Like, my relationships are all in flux. Like, fuck it.

Speaker 7 Playing nice and trying to be everyone's friend only got her bullied, you know, with from her cast. So like, if you're Dorit, like, who gives a fuck?

Speaker 7 And like, when Dereet says things like, if I go down to her level, I'll eviscerate her. Like, You know, but Darret like believes in that because Darit absolutely thinks Sutton has a drinking problem.

Speaker 7 and like listen I'm not an expert but when Sutton goes on podcasts and starts talking about like her like waking up at 10 and then like drinking throughout the day every day like I don't know that's giving you know high consumption and like yeah like she probably could go pretty fucking low and I'm guessing if she does often show up and inebriated there maybe have been moments that like quite honestly didn't make the cutting room floor and things like that and I bet like Darit is is fully like stocked up on like insults she has chosen not to share you know and I think it's one of those things where like Sutton doesn't recognize her problem, doesn't see her problem.

Speaker 7 And clearly it's a very triggering topic for her. And it seems like Sutton, Garcelle, and some of these other women on her cast just have been so used to getting away with like punching down Darit.

Speaker 7 And it sure is.

Speaker 12 But do you, do you not feel like Darit is like constantly kind of like nagging at Sutton to like get a reaction?

Speaker 7 Yeah,

Speaker 7 Hannibal Lucky. I think there's a difference between like housewife's bickering in a, in a way, and like, which we love.
We're really getting into the season. I think this season really is delivered.

Speaker 7 We're getting into some real personal shit that is triggering for these ladies. And it just seems like, again,

Speaker 7 Dorit's life is being exposed. You know, everyone, like, we're talking about her divorce.
We're speculating on what PK is doing. Like, it's a major storyline of the season.

Speaker 7 And Sutton refuses to even suggest anything about her. You know what I'm saying? Like, the rules for Sutton, don't fucking go there.
Don't do that. Meanwhile, Dorit's life is on full display.

Speaker 7 Dorit has nothing to lose. So if I get, that makes a lot of sense.
It's kind of like, keep picking a fight with this person who really doesn't give a fuck. And yeah, she's poking the bear.

Speaker 7 She's poking the bear, but like, I don't know.

Speaker 12 No, Dorit and Sun have years of conflict to go off of. So I think that's kind of also what Darit's saying too, is that it's like, don't force me to go to a place that we can't come back from.

Speaker 12 Because if I get there with you, and she's not making it any easier. So that's what I'm saying.
Neither one of them are really trying to like bury the hatchet.

Speaker 12 So it's just like, if it's one more dig after one more dig one more failed event then like and i've never seen dariquet get as angry as she's gotten this season yeah so i'm like i actually am a little interested and scared to see what else could possibly be coming after

Speaker 7 in her house with the gals over talking about her son like you know asking if her and dad are gonna get a divorce And whether it was a producer or Sutton came up with it on her own, Sutton like

Speaker 7 dismissed her and like didn't give a fuck. And like when Sutton is dismissive, she can be incredibly dismissive.
And then she puts her down about her like finances and things like that.

Speaker 12 Sutton came out and said a producer told her to interrupt.

Speaker 15 Because she was talking too long. And they were like, we need to go.
Like, we need to get in the van. We need to go to the next place.
So she was told, like, can you like wrap her up?

Speaker 12 But of course, they would ask Sutton instead of asking Bose, you know, to like.

Speaker 7 But yeah, but if that's the case, Sutton could easily just be like, hey, listen, I'm really sorry about that. That wasn't rude.

Speaker 7 No.

Speaker 15 The clips, she's literally like, I'm sorry. We have to go.
Like, I'm sorry.

Speaker 7 That's not a, no, that, that's a dismissive. I'm sorry.
Fuck you. You don't matter.
It wasn't like that.

Speaker 7 Hey, listen, I i know it divorces life i mean i don't know sutton seemed like she's loved divorce she or it could have been like uh hey like i really want to hear all about this in the van but we have to like get on the road i imagine doree was on minute 30 and they were like okay like where's the chance to like segue and she's like we just gotta i do feel like dere talks a lot she's long headed yeah there's a lot of people who think they're better than other people and sometimes they are but sutton's i'm better than you a lot of it seems to come from her wealth and her wealth isn't any like it doesn't come from her and I think it's just a bit eye-rolly when your whole, like, your biggest flex is something that, like, you married into.

Speaker 7 And then when you put people down for like not being in that position, it's just kind of

Speaker 7 okay.

Speaker 12 She's definitely playing messy and she's definitely like really dirty.

Speaker 12 And I'm, I would love to see the other women at least not even, they don't even have to stand up for Dariet, but they can at least just be like, Sutton, like that was way too far. Not cool.

Speaker 7 It's interesting because like Garcel, like, you know, really close with Sutton.

Speaker 7 Garcelle, I mean, you know, it's just a level of privilege with all these women, but like, you know, Garcelle has busted her ass, really worked up, built her own empire, really worked for this beach house, which is beautiful and obviously, I'm sure, very expensive.

Speaker 7 But like, it sure seems like Garcelle has to hustle in a way that Sutton doesn't.

Speaker 7 And I, and I would be, it would be interesting to see, I'm curious how Garcelle felt about that comment, knowing that like she has to like hustle in ways that like Sutton, the way Sutton spoke you it would almost it was a shot in anyone I feel like I guess what I'm saying is Garcelle's financial situation might be more in line with Dorit's rather than Sutton's which is which is like probably like super privileged but maybe not like making a half a million dollars a month Garcelle hates Dorit too so I'm sure she was like touche yeah I think she hates Dorit but she could hate Dorit and still feel like a certain way about like Sutton's comments sometimes your friends say something and like it's not meant towards you but you're like well what do they think about me then I don't know I'm just excited for Dorit's moment where she gets to say, I'm going to cut out Sutton's tongue and eat it with a nice Chianti if she's Hannibal Lecter.

Speaker 7 Yep.

Speaker 12 Can we get into some Love is Blind?

Speaker 7 Love is Blind.

Speaker 12 I stand by it. So do I.
That's crazy.

Speaker 7 I know. What do you, I don't know.

Speaker 12 No, you, when we were watching it, you were like, okay.

Speaker 7 I think

Speaker 7 I've

Speaker 12 don't switch up now.

Speaker 7 You know, I'm not switching up. I want to.

Speaker 7 Two things can be true at the same time. No, you're right.

Speaker 7 I don't think Lauren did anything wrong, wrong, to be clear. I don't.
I don't think she did anything wrong in the court of like, I don't know, like she didn't.

Speaker 7 She had the right to do whatever she wants. I do think also Dave scapegoated this situation in some ways.

Speaker 7 I think Dave scapegoated his family. I think he constantly blamed it on his sister, my sister this, my friends this, my sister this.

Speaker 7 When like a lot of times he was all, there were times where he was like kind of trying to tell Lauren the truth.

Speaker 7 You know, there was that time where he went to Lauren and said, well, if my family really wanted to come, they would show up for me. And then also it was like, but like, they don't want to come.

Speaker 7 So like, okay, Dave, like clearly you told them not to come.

Speaker 7 I just think, like, again, like, when you find out, like, Lauren finally admitted that she, like, had sex with this guy like a week before. Two weeks.
Two weeks, a week, whatever. It doesn't matter.

Speaker 7 I don't care if you're a man or a woman, gay, straight, non-binary, trans. It doesn't matter.
Like, I just think.

Speaker 7 There's a difference between sex positivity and like fact that like sex has consequences and you can pretend they don't have consequences all you want, but like all people feel a certain way about sex and it fucks with your feelings.

Speaker 7 And I think this is a classic case of just because your feelings got hurt doesn't mean the other person did anything wrong. You know, like I think Lauren feels judged.

Speaker 7 I think she feels hurt by the situation.

Speaker 7 But like, listen, if like, I think if anyone showed up for this this crazy experience and like keep in mind, these people are getting engaged and then they get married.

Speaker 7 And yes, they know what they signed up for. But like, for any two people to join this experiment and end up in marriage, everything has to line up.
Everything has to work out.

Speaker 7 Like, you really are taking a huge leap of faith. And even when you say, I do, you know very little about someone.

Speaker 7 So like whether she did anything wrong or not, him finding this out is something that is going to really potentially rattle his cages.

Speaker 7 I wish he would just own it, say it with his chest and just be like, listen, I don't know. Like, I just wasn't expecting this.
And like, I can't get, I can't say I do

Speaker 12 with like this information see that's the thing he's not doing that and he's blaming his friends and his sister of this like well they're they keep bringing me like new rumors and they like don't want me to marry someone who had a boyfriend so recently and my sister doesn't approve of this and like my friends won't and it's and it's getting to the point where it's like you are choosing to believe your friends over your fiancé in a in a place where like at some point you have to say like and clearly he just didn't want to do this because he just didn't want to marry her.

Speaker 12 But it's like, he didn't even want to be like, okay, like, I hear my, like, he couldn't go to his friends and be like, guys, like,

Speaker 7 no, but like, the reason, like, I think if you

Speaker 7 like using our, like, our ass Nick language, but like, it takes time to build an emotional connection.

Speaker 7 Like, couples who like get through shit or like adversity of any kind, it's because there's a foundation. There's like a rapport there.
These people don't have any of that, right?

Speaker 7 They don't have a foundation of trust. They haven't been through anything together.
So like she, Lauren did what she did.

Speaker 7 She had the right to do whatever she wanted, but like, you know, but that's the point is this other guy, maybe he's a, you know, a clout chaser. Say whatever you want about him.

Speaker 7 But like clearly he felt a certain way about Lauren. And when she got out of the bubble, like reached out to her being like, hey, are you...
with someone? Are you not someone?

Speaker 7 He wanted to keep it going. He liked her.
He, he felt a certain way about her.

Speaker 7 So for her to be like, it's meaningless, it's nothing, maybe to her, but like she got herself, she made choices, she got herself in a situation.

Speaker 7 Sex has consequences, whether you like it or not, whether you're positive about sex or not. Like it affects people's feelings.
And like he handled it poorly.

Speaker 7 And I think he's kind of weak sauce for like blaming his sister and blaming his family. But I, I still

Speaker 7 don't fault him for like not being able to just dismiss all his friends or like, and yeah, I think he was weak about it.

Speaker 7 but like marriage, I think it would be foolish for anyone in his shoes to say, I do to someone who was this like, oh, yeah, by the way, I did have a hookup after they got engaged.

Speaker 7 To like details of the story came out after his friends brought this up.

Speaker 12 Well, it's his problem. It's his fault for not asking more questions in the pods because he did say, like, how long ago were you with someone? And she told him.

Speaker 12 And if he didn't want to ask more questions and get more out of her, he wanted to like wait until his friends filled his ears with stuff. That's his own problem.

Speaker 7 It's not about fault. Like, again, this is not like he didn't want to marry her.
Like, that's not a crime. That's clear.
Fine.

Speaker 7 But, like, I think for anyone to act like, and again, I don't care if it's a man, woman. I don't care about your sexuality.
Like, people hooking up, like, people have a certain feeling about it.

Speaker 7 It's a, it's a, it's one of the most intimate connections two people can have.

Speaker 12 But then it clearly like wasn't that big of a thing because later on when they all meet up at this like party and Molly talks to him and she's kind of like, what the fuck? Like, why did you do this?

Speaker 12 Why didn't you do that? And he goes back to talk to Lauren and it's kind of like, like i want to try things with you like i

Speaker 12 yeah i mean listen again it's so how is it such a big problem before and now it's not to quote gabby they always come back

Speaker 12 they always do listen i'm not saying like dave is right i'm just saying i i my feelings about lauren's choices like is it possible that he just wants to have his cake and eat it too that like he doesn't want to get married to the girl but he does actually really like her and have feelings for her so he's freaked out about the marriage so he made it about this thing but actually would like to date her outside in real life i think it has nothing i think it has nothing to do with your take i think your take is your take because it's you and it's who you are i think dave's take is because he didn't want to marry her and i think he's going to listen to this and i think he's going to use everything you say at the remedian like i don't think he's thinking this way at fucking all i don't think it's really bothering him i don't think it's really i just think he was trying to get out of this marriage and i think he tried to get on a show he promised his sister he would never take it this far and he never thought he would get that far now that he is that far he's panicking because everyone's like what the fuck are you doing He's currently engaged, and he's telling his and he's telling his sister, like, yeah, we're not together, or it's it's broken up.

Speaker 7 And that's just because it's Dave, or because

Speaker 7 you don't think there's any way that if you, you guys are making, well, if he really loved her, he would marry her.

Speaker 7 So it's like, he barely knows her, but that's what we're not, we're not saying that at all.

Speaker 12 We're saying that if it was just about the sex or the fact that he hooked up, that she hooked up with somebody right before this, nothing that Molly should have been able to say should have made him be like, you know what?

Speaker 12 Maybe I made a mistake and I should, and I should retry this relationship.

Speaker 7 Like, that's because the facts are still the fact she still slept with him no matter what molly said to him but now you just don't have to get married to her in a week you're right you have that that is if he really liked her and like this was him up and he was like listen i just can't marry you in two weeks with this going in my head but i do really like you and like i don't really care about the sex it's just like this really i don't know threw me off because it wasn't what i ex yes he didn't do that he did not handle it well at all.

Speaker 7 I think I'm making this point just because it's like, clearly we're looking at these genders.

Speaker 7 And I think if it was flipped around, it would be an like you remember, you probably, you don't, but I don't know.

Speaker 7 Did you watch Hannah Brown's season? Yeah. You remember Jed

Speaker 7 at the end of the season and he had like the girlfriend and the girl waiting by the decks. And I don't know if they were hooking up or not, but like his version is it wasn't that serious.

Speaker 7 And her version was it was. It was

Speaker 7 exactly the same flipped around. And Batronation crucified him, lost their shit.
How dare him? How dare he have some blah, blah, blah, this thing. And he was just like, he had this girl.

Speaker 7 He was hooked.

Speaker 7 I don't don't know what was going on now she's married to hannah brown's brother so i forget about that's the best part but like there was some sort of history going on there and like he went on a show forgot she existed you know when you're in the outside world she's like i guess in six weeks and then like he found himself engaged in in a relationship kind of unexpected didn't handle it that well and then like was crucified for it.

Speaker 7 And now, like, now it's the exact same situation, but reverse, different show. And like, all I'm saying, it's like, you, you have to either have a problem with it or you don't.
I don't.

Speaker 7 So you didn't have a problem with Jed?

Speaker 12 Uh, no, I had a problem with windmill guy.

Speaker 7 Peter.

Speaker 12 Whichever one that was, like, super precious about the idea of her, like, sleeping with somebody else.

Speaker 7 And she was like, oh, that, that was part. Oh.
The blonde guy. Yeah.
Like, that was the only. Yeah, but that was the only one.
But at the time, you thought, you thought Jed was being treated unfairly?

Speaker 12 Oh, I can't put myself back there. I did not care about Jed.
All I cared about was like when she was literally like, how dare you?

Speaker 12 Like, Jesus loves me no matter if I slept with somebody or something much bigger storyline.

Speaker 12 But that's like kind of the, that's kind of the same thing he was pretty much like my wife isn't gonna be a promiscuous type person and she was like a completely different situation

Speaker 7 that was like that was like you have to wait before marriage this is not like

Speaker 7 thank you luke powell this is not like just debating the semantics of like a hookup partner and then going on a love competition show and that's all this that's what this conversation is about and that's what the whole jed and hannah situation was the idea it's just like i don't know he probably didn't expect to fall in love with hannah maybe Maybe didn't even expect to get cast on the show and was foolish and like sloppy with the fact that he was hanging out with this girl and trying to have his cake and eat it too and like enjoying who this girl's company and then went on a show and didn't know what the show.

Speaker 7 Like when I went on the show the first time when I was at work and everyone's like, are you going to fall in love? And I rolled my eyes like, of course not. I'm, I'm just doing a show.

Speaker 7 And then like, obviously I got caught up in the whole moment. Like, it's a bizarre, crazy fucking world.
And I don't expect, I didn't think Lauren expected to fall in love.

Speaker 7 and i don't know what dave expected either and i don't fault lauren i'm just saying like listen she could have been a little more careful and she could have been a little bit more prepared to like go on a show that she watched as a fan and and saw all the other storylines and things like that and she didn't and whatever that's fine no big deal but like again it has consequences and like the fact that we know what dave thinks and know you know it's just because he handled it poorly i just think uh yeah all i could think about is him in that trench coat when he was sitting outside

Speaker 15 collar and his collar was straight up and he would look like a a not to roast him. He just, I was like, the posture of the collar.
I was like, nobody fixed that.

Speaker 12 Nobody fixed that.

Speaker 11 I think my biggest issue with Dave was that he was kind of trying to make Lauren break up with him.

Speaker 7 Oh, he definitely was.

Speaker 7 It was very much like the and that's where I was like, nah, if you want to break up with her, break up with her.

Speaker 12 What did you think about Madison coming in with her pink hair and talking shit about Alice?

Speaker 7 She is the most toxic person.

Speaker 12 That was a crazy scene. She comes in guns a-blazing.

Speaker 7 That's the pink hair. Talking about.
Forget about the pink hair, whatever. People doubt about it.
Jamie, Meg.

Speaker 7 I don't want to get that.

Speaker 12 I thought the hair looked good. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Let's not shame people who want to get a little fun with their hair. I have pink hair, too.
I have that exactly.

Speaker 12 She comes in immediately, throwing shots. Immediately is like, yeah, well, Meg was texting Alex before she even knew.
Like, we could have been engaged. And she had no idea.

Speaker 12 And she was already up in his DMs.

Speaker 7 She's dangerous. She's out there

Speaker 7 and throwing just below serious accusations of he's a piece of shit and blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 12 And like making up like throwing out accusations about like what he said about mason all because like she didn't get picked yep yeah that's crazy her being like he said fuck mason i'm like i don't believe that for a second like alex does not look like the person who would say that's his like best friend from the show like no fuck mason the funny thing is she said all this and then the conversations went nowhere yeah i was like okay she said all that and then it immediately cut to mason and alex being like dude

Speaker 7 there's a lot of like nice fuckbys you present as the good guys who aren't i mean no one's more like triggered by those types of people, but like Alex is not that guy. Alex is literally just the...

Speaker 7 No, it's Dave. Dave isn't even...
Dave is just... Dave's just kind of lame.
Dave is a guy who thinks he's funny. He's not funny.

Speaker 12 Well, yeah. But also, yeah,

Speaker 12 I don't think Alex is that guy. And Madison is trying so hard.
Like, I feel like the reunion is going to be so messy because she's going to come in and be insane. I was like,

Speaker 12 I'm surprised that she didn't go as mental on the Meg and Mason showing up together, too.

Speaker 7 Cause I'm like, i feel like that should have been like you did everything to sabotage that relationship and they still ended up together and i ended up with no one that's why she was trying to talk shit about meg like trying to reach out to alex because it's like that's her trying again to like ruin that relationship with mason mary i know your dad's a pastor oh my god does he ever video it in what does that mean like phone and i no like zoom listen your your your your religion is your religion i grew up catholic so and listen our my religion has its flaws we are aware of my religion's flaws.

Speaker 7 But, like, you know, Justin grew up Catholic.

Speaker 11 Oh, are you talking about Ben?

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 7 No, no audio. Okay, so there's a Zoom.

Speaker 11 During COVID, there was a live stream version of church that like people can watch. My dad would never show up on a Zoom screen instead of going to church.

Speaker 7 Natalie and I went, I went home to Savannah a couple of years ago with Natalie, and it was like, I don't know, some baptism. I don't know, something.

Speaker 7 She took me to a service. It was a Christian, lovely, lovely, lovely people there.
Very commercialized. Yes.

Speaker 7 there was a band on stage, very much like this. Then there was a big screen, and then they pressed play, and there was a sermon.
And I'm sorry. Like, listen, I'm not.

Speaker 7 And maybe this is the Catholic in me, but if my pastor's showing up in a hoodie and true religion jeans and he's on a video screen. What can this man tell me about God that I don't already know?

Speaker 7 Yes, I'm not at church. Yes.
Like, no, my dad. Did you just go to a Starbucks and be like, what do you think about Jesus?

Speaker 11 I completely agree. My dad, so like, my dad's a Lutheran pastor.
The type of Lutheran that he is is a very, like, Lutheranism is probably the closest to Catholicism, just without the,

Speaker 11 it's just like way more like chill, but it's still very like the liturgy is classic. It's like you're lighting it in, like the candles, people will dress like he's wearing the robe.

Speaker 11 He is not, or he has a suit. Like he is, he takes a suit.
He went to, he went to seminary for four years.

Speaker 12 He's not wearing Jordans.

Speaker 7 At least give me a golf polo. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Khakis and a golf polo.

Speaker 11 Like, and that's, that's his, if he, he will do that occasionally on like a very casual thing, but he's usually wearing a robe over.

Speaker 12 I, I really did think the like the zoom-in was just a southern thing. I've seen that like honestly all over the church, churches in the south.
And it is like a,

Speaker 12 it'll be like a big pastor from Texas, and he's like preaching to this.

Speaker 7 It's giving megachurch.

Speaker 12 You know, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 7 He couldn't even be there.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 11 If I was Sarah.

Speaker 7 That's hard. Yeah.
It's hard.

Speaker 12 The own pastor couldn't even show up.

Speaker 7 He's bringing his girlfriend to like his big thing, you know, like

Speaker 7 I'm a follower of Christ.

Speaker 7 and it's true brings her to her and it's like a the big reveal was like reveal a guy in a hoodie on the tv screen when i saw that it truly sent a chill up my spine i will say oh i respect her though she's like you know what i'll be there like for the holidays for the special events but like you know i don't know if this is for me i'm not mocking your religion i am mocking anyone who go like the the the people who are too fucking lazy to show up and and look nice and and talk about their lord and savior jesus christ if you look like you just like got a coupon from the gap i don't I don't need you talking to me about like

Speaker 12 I will say it was but for your pastor sure, I will say it was kind of fucked up for them to give the men the um bachelor party.

Speaker 7 What was the bachelor party?

Speaker 7 Yeah,

Speaker 12 and the women was like everyone dress up like old people.

Speaker 7 Like, yeah, they always do this, they always do yeah, the world's the lamest bachelorette parties. It's like

Speaker 12 the men get to go to a game and like we get pop-up tents for our grown-asses to sit in and wigs and canes like thanks

Speaker 7 but do you remember last season when it was like the weird like tent pop-ups in a circle and it's like do you expect grown-ass women to sleep in those yeah it was they always they need to up that i hated the prenup conversation between uh devin and uh virginia he signed it though no he did but it made it seem so like dark and kind of icky about it i don't have a problem with virginia asking at all i wish Listen, like, if you want to make a relationship of any kind work, especially a marriage, it's about like, Nan and I don't know what each other is going to do two years from now.

Speaker 7 Like one day I could wake up and just stop giving a shit. I could stop like waking up every day and making like my wife and my kid and my family a top priority.
People do that all the fucking time.

Speaker 7 And like to make a relationship work.

Speaker 7 it's it's there it goes way further than just saying i do and like reciting a couple a bunch of promises the day you get married you like every day kind of have to almost internally renew your vows to yourself and your partner and show up for them And a lot of people stop showing up.

Speaker 7 And like, if you have something to lose, especially marrying someone you don't really know, you have like Devin.

Speaker 7 And like, I don't fault him because I get where he's coming from, but I wish it was articulated in a way that it's like, well, what am I supposed to say to my family when they ask?

Speaker 7 Like, no one plans to get divorced. Right.
You know, but like no one plans for their partner to like become a different person or lose interest or like have like, a weird like middle-aged kind of like

Speaker 7 crisis or whatever or like, like you know some past trauma from their life like sneaks up on them that they haven't resolved i don't fucking know yeah but like it's like it's like health insurance you're not required to have it but like it's nice to know that if something were to happen i'm looking at a copay versus looking at a full price receipt and 50 years ago people literally didn't get divorced you were like ostracized from your community if you got divorced so you just like muscled through life uh-huh miserable miserable and just had a secret life now you don't have to do that so if you believe in divorce and I'm assuming Devin in Virginia, and I don't mean believe because everyone's like, I'm never going to get divorced, but like.

Speaker 7 It exists. It's existing.
But like, don't say it's not a possibility if like you're not like somehow legally not allowed to do it. Like clearly it's an option.
It's not an option you want to consider.

Speaker 7 You want to do everything in your power to avoid that for sure, of course.

Speaker 12 But like. Let's not be delusional that that's not a possibility in the realm of the world.

Speaker 7 It only is invoked if the unforeseeable happens. That is literally what it's all about.
And the way that's framed is if like she's going into this planning on getting a divorce.

Speaker 7 No, she is doing this because she's like, if you fucking change, motherfucker, if you do some shit that I don't know about, what's last season?

Speaker 7 Ashley

Speaker 7 came in here and rode for her guy, her husband, and like rode for him and all these other rumors out there about kids. And we still didn't even know the truth.

Speaker 7 And she told everyone to shut the fuck up. And I know my man.

Speaker 7 And now all of a sudden they're getting divorced and i don't know if there's a prenup but like she trusts in someone that clearly she realized that maybe she shouldn't have trusted him as much as she should have we want to believe in people but like this whole idea that like it is like a negative for virginia to ask for this when like she's a little bit more of established than than uh than devin i don't know i do think that it's kind of crazy that she's even being villainized for it because i feel like all of these couples that are planning on moving forward with marriage you should have a prenup in in in place because you only have known this person the starting day.

Speaker 7 Only one with a brain in this castle. You get married on TV.

Speaker 12 Yeah, like when the cameras go away and it's just the two of us, are you the same person that I fell in love with in the pods?

Speaker 12 Are you the same person that was in this experiment knowing that you were filmed 24/7?

Speaker 7 Monica's sister, like for like 30 seconds, I was like, oh, she came around. I was a little too harsh on her.
And then it was like, no, she, she still is so fucking bitter. She absolutely hates this.

Speaker 12 She was biting her tongue so hard, but she tried. She She liked Jim.

Speaker 7 She tried. No.

Speaker 12 At the end, it was just more like, yeah, sorry about that.

Speaker 12 You seem cool.

Speaker 7 But then, like, she's still passive digs.

Speaker 15 Having her take the photos, the engagement photos, like, and then having that conversation was iconic, though.

Speaker 7 It was better than the photo shoot that Daniel and Christmas card. And Taylor had.
That was brutal.

Speaker 7 They seem cute, though.

Speaker 11 I'm actually rooting for them. They seem really good for each other.

Speaker 12 No, I like them together, too.

Speaker 7 Who do we think is going to work out?

Speaker 7 Who says I do?

Speaker 12 I think Taylor and Daniel say I do.

Speaker 7 I don't think they do.

Speaker 14 Really?

Speaker 12 I do not think.

Speaker 7 I think if she does, she's leaving him in five years for someone to.

Speaker 15 She's going to find out that he was the one that followed her.

Speaker 7 I hope. This is all speculation.

Speaker 15 I have no clue.

Speaker 11 I'm actually rooting for them.

Speaker 7 I haven't heard anything in the pipeline.

Speaker 12 I think Sarah and Ben will say yes. I do too.

Speaker 7 Okay.

Speaker 12 I think Monica and Joey.

Speaker 7 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 13 And I think Taylor and Daniel.

Speaker 12 Or no, Virginia and Devin, but I don't think the other two.

Speaker 15 Monica and Joey don't end up together.

Speaker 11 I'm not sold on Virginia and Deborah.

Speaker 7 In the teaser, there's like a clip of her being like, right before like, you have to cut that spoiler alert. It's not a spoiler.

Speaker 15 It's in the teaser, you see her like hesitate before saying I do. And I'm like, that could be an edit.

Speaker 7 It could, but I'm believing that. Justin, you are such a sucker.
Yeah.

Speaker 12 I was like, did you not watch Hometown's a Bachelor? I was like, all the things that I was waiting for did not happen.

Speaker 7 True. So, what are our final predictions? Who says yes then?

Speaker 15 Devin and Virginia, Sarah and Ben. You guys think Taylor and Daniel?

Speaker 7 Monica and Benny, I don't know. Monica, Joey.

Speaker 12 Honestly, like, is that all of them? Like,

Speaker 7 I think Devin and Virginia will. I want one person to leave the altar.
Sarah definitely. Sarah.
Sarah and Ben? Ben, they definitely don't.

Speaker 12 I don't think they do either.

Speaker 7 The sisters were praying on her downfall.

Speaker 12 I don't think Taylor and Daniel will. I do think Monica and Joey will, and I do think Virginia and Devin will.

Speaker 7 I have a hard time seeing Taylor and Daniel. I feel like she's going to say no.

Speaker 12 You think so?

Speaker 15 There's a clip of a blonde woman crying walking back to the car after being on the aisle.

Speaker 7 So it's supposed to be her, right?

Speaker 12 They're Sarah. Well, it could be Sarah.

Speaker 15 But like in my head, it's Taylor.

Speaker 13 I mean, Sarah's got a lot going against their relationship, too.

Speaker 7 I don't know. Well, we will find out soon enough.
Up next, Taylor Green.

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Speaker 7 Well, Taylor, welcome back. Thanks for having me again.
Thanks for coming. Good to be back.
We're so happy to have you.

Speaker 12 This has been such a fun season.

Speaker 7 Good.

Speaker 7 It was kind of a slow start. The only thing was getting a little bit more.

Speaker 7 When we first started watching your show,

Speaker 7 I hope the rest of the cast is okay with me saying, I don't mean your show, the show that you're on.

Speaker 12 It's Craig's show.

Speaker 7 Craig's show.

Speaker 13 It kind of is the guys' show. I mean, even Miss Patricia says that.
She's like, it really is a guys' show. The girls are replaceable.

Speaker 7 And I was like, we're all were kind of like, oh,

Speaker 7 thanks. This season.

Speaker 12 That was the first time where it's kind of like shifting a bit because like the guys are not really bringing it and the women are.

Speaker 12 But like this show and Vanderpump really was like kind of centralized around like three or four guys that are consistently creating chaos.

Speaker 7 I call them low character people. There you go.

Speaker 13 I honestly, the only reason I came back this year was to fix things with the women of the group. So I really don't care what's going on with the guys.

Speaker 7 How do you feel like that's going?

Speaker 13 We are all in a really good place.

Speaker 13 Obviously, it's very unfortunate that Olivia is not back this season. I was really upset about that, honestly.

Speaker 13 But she had reached out to me and so we got to talk a little bit. Obviously, I've kept in touch with her just based on the her being engaged.

Speaker 13 And she's doing some fun stuff with like a YouTube channel.

Speaker 13 And

Speaker 13 obviously like her brother's birthday was just this past February. So I reached out.

Speaker 7 Just we stay in touch like that, which is like, it seems like you're not like what you used to be.

Speaker 13 No, I don't think that we'll, I mean, she, she's in Charlotte now, I think.

Speaker 7 No, she moved. She moved.
Does she still not believe you?

Speaker 13 I have no idea, but her reaching out to me and that text message,

Speaker 13 she just seemed to be like, let's, you know, let's let bygones be bygones. I am here for you as a friend.
And

Speaker 13 she actually was reaching out, kind of warning me about a certain newcomer.

Speaker 7 So

Speaker 7 who?

Speaker 7 Yeah, I think y'all know. Sally? Yeah.

Speaker 7 So

Speaker 12 Olivia had previously known Sally.

Speaker 13 She doesn't know her, but she is from the same town. So she was like, I just want you to know

Speaker 13 I've heard a lot of things about this person. I don't know her personally, but just beware.
And I was like, I appreciate it.

Speaker 7 She has an interesting

Speaker 7 reality TV track record as someone who almost went on The Bachelor and then almost went on Bachelor in Paradise.

Speaker 12 And now is on, yeah.

Speaker 7 It wasn't interesting.

Speaker 12 Do you feel like where you and Sally are today is better than when you were filming? Or are you kind of like, I'm not investing in that relationship?

Speaker 13 Yeah, I definitely don't want to invest in that that relationship I think that I mean to be completely honest the first time I actually officially met her was on camera at her little gathering no this was they it didn't air but uh we don't get to see it but it was like we had a little girls night and um a lot of a lot of the stuff that uh that we did with the women of the group um you don't get to see much of it and that was like what was really important for me and why i was returning uh it felt like this newcomer came in and uh leveraged like my fractured relationship with these girls to like one-up herself and then keep me in the fire and be like, oh, and by the way, she's not only a shitty friend, but like, she's dating this horrible guy.

Speaker 13 And it was just like one thing after another that she was just trying to,

Speaker 13 yeah, okay, he's so horrible.

Speaker 7 He's in the room, Gaston, handsome guy.

Speaker 12 He's in the room with his really cute niece on top of his ass.

Speaker 7 Yeah, really cute niece.

Speaker 12 So, did you, I guess, whenever you heard that Sally was joining the show, were you aware of her previous fling with your boyfriend Gaston?

Speaker 13 I was. Yeah.
I had known of her just because I had my friends say that she was talking about me at Republic.

Speaker 7 And, you know, I was like, wait, who is this?

Speaker 13 And I said, oh, the girl that's hooking up with Joe. And

Speaker 13 amongst a few other people on that cast. And so I was like, I don't like, I don't know this person.

Speaker 13 I obviously had known that there was a past fling there, but she had every intention of coming on this season to drag his name. And she did just that.

Speaker 13 So that was really fun to deal with after she had already told me, like, hey, I have no ill will towards you or guest on. I'm glad that you're happy.

Speaker 13 And because I had just heard things in the rumor mill that she was coming on to do just that. And so I confronted her about it before we started filming.
And lo and behold, it was everything that.

Speaker 7 What did she say when you confronted her?

Speaker 13 Oh, she, she said, I have no ill will towards you guys. Like, I'm happy for you and Gueston.

Speaker 13 And my only one thing that I have against you is that you said something nasty about me around town. And that was the, I was like, I didn't.
I don't know you. And that was the hooker comment.

Speaker 13 And I was like, I've never called anyone a hooker. I was like, I'm pretty sure it's like, well,

Speaker 7 it just doesn't seem

Speaker 7 like you're such a hooker. That's very vintage of you.
That is a scary vintage of me. It's a slut.
Yeah, it's a slut now.

Speaker 12 So was that just a rumor that she heard that you said or something?

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 13 I mean, she came out with another one at reunion. And I don't, I mean, like it's, it was pretty horrible.

Speaker 7 I was like, oh my gosh.

Speaker 13 She was like, you called me a hooker and that I got ink banged. And I was like,

Speaker 14 what? I was like, where are you hearing?

Speaker 7 I've never, I was like, I don't talk about you. Like, I just, I don't.
I mean, here I'm talking about right now, but like, no, I don't talk about you.

Speaker 13 I've never used the word hooker or wait.

Speaker 7 So like those are formal things.

Speaker 12 She accuses you of saying something like that.

Speaker 13 Another, I think that she just says things to like raw me up.

Speaker 7 So that is a weird thing to platform a rumor about yourself

Speaker 13 i think it's a part of her manipulation tactic that's my that's my depiction of it yeah so i i feel like we saw that was i was like how many

Speaker 12 i don't know i should ask her which is crazy i was like i feel like we saw at so like y'all had this conversation you heard she was going to be on the show off camera you kind of meet up and you're like or or was this on camera this no this was off camera it was before we started filming okay yeah um

Speaker 7 and she was like i wish nothing but the best for you two and then on camera she switches up and starts like talking a lot of shit about gaston talking some shit about you saying nick's like worst the thing he hates the most that people say is nobody here likes you or or whatever some version of like you know you know when people like tell other you know people about you you know when sally said to you about like you're a bad friend trust you want to trust you it's like who are they you know when people bring up they yeah as like some like group of people.

Speaker 7 Who? Who? You know, like, everyone says that about you. You know what I'm saying? Right.
Like, huh? Like, I fucking hate that.

Speaker 13 I know. I do.
I like to see them like, who, like, show me the proof of this. And again, that's just where it was like, she was leveraging my fractured friendships to drag myself, my relationship.

Speaker 13 Like, it was, it was really unfortunate because I had worked so hard to get to a better place.

Speaker 13 coming into this season after everything that went down last season on the show and in my personal life. And this

Speaker 13 over here, Gaston, has been like a huge part in my healing process and my healing journey.

Speaker 13 And so to have someone come in and just like try to absolutely tear that down like with everything inside of her was really tough to navigate.

Speaker 13 And I tried to just like let it go, but it's hard when they're constantly.

Speaker 12 You also want to protect the people that you love.

Speaker 12 And like I definitely turn into like, a huge bitch and a very like mama bear energy if someone tries to come for Nick, especially absolutely like in front of my face.

Speaker 12 So I honestly respect you so much for like keeping the piece as much as you did. I mean, to sit there, like to have the whole like JT bring up this whole like Sally, like what was that rumor again?

Speaker 7 It was the worst. I mean, yeah.
Well, I had no, he was like, he was going down now. He was everywhere like.

Speaker 7 Who did say that? JT.

Speaker 14 That little man's funny.

Speaker 14 I think you said something. I don't watch it, but he said something along the lines of like that I had an affair with Sally with my past relationship, which is just a funny way of saying thing, right?

Speaker 14 But it was an ex-girlfriend, it didn't happen, and they just kind of like and it backfired on him because then Sally turned on him and it's like, dude, just stay in your lane.

Speaker 14 Like, you got enough worry about with Vanita and what you got going on.

Speaker 7 Like, that's true. Yeah, just relax.

Speaker 14 That's true.

Speaker 7 Where do you stand with JT? He's smarmy.

Speaker 13 We are not, I don't, I don't respect him at all. I mean, I just think that he's trying to grab at something and he's doing it in a really dirty way.

Speaker 7 Yeah, like really doing Vanita dirty. Yeah.

Speaker 12 I mean, honestly, doing all the women dirty, it feels like. Yeah.

Speaker 13 It's like he, and he didn't show up a lot this year. All last year preached, stand up, be a man, like own, own whatever you have.
And he would just run away.

Speaker 13 Like every, he would run away and, and I'm speaking the truth. And we just, I was like, well, you're doing it.
You're not speaking the truth. First of all, you're grasping at something.

Speaker 13 And that's what I feel like a lot of people, not a lot, but some people on that cast are just wanting so badly to be relevant. I think he's one of those people.

Speaker 12 What do you make of the relationship between JT and Vanita, like seeing how it played out on camera versus like in real life?

Speaker 13 I was completely like, I had no idea that that was a thing. I just thought that they were good friends.

Speaker 13 It wasn't until afterwards or after we had wrapped filming that they had kind of, I guess, tried some things out or like went on a couple dates and here and there.

Speaker 13 And then when I heard that, I was like, I need to talk to Bea about this. Like, what's going on?

Speaker 7 Did you know he had a girlfriend?

Speaker 13 Um, no, nobody knew. And then he talked about it on camera, and we were like, Wait, you have a girlfriend?

Speaker 12 Like, was he acting like he had a girlfriend or was his behavior?

Speaker 7 He never really talked about her. And like, if you were his girlfriend, how would you feel about his behavior?

Speaker 13 I would tell him to go kick rocks.

Speaker 7 Excuse me?

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 13 Like, I don't care if you're trying to do it for the show or not. Like, that's not.

Speaker 7 Has this mysterious woman spoken out?

Speaker 13 I mean, apparently called bonita oh a home wrecker or rat yeah yeah it was um right when the trailer dropped like she kind of oh and i don't know that i mean we kind of know her my friend like works with her at a at a gym i think lara works with her at a gym but i don't really know the girl so i haven't really been able to jt seems like he's good at playing both sides

Speaker 12 so i'm sure he's good at that giving we'll be just fine or some versions i mean i'm sure it and i do see like the frustration on his end because it's like you know, we weren't in that room.

Speaker 12 We know that there's editing, but like Craig swears by a lot of things that JT says. And then we don't have any of that proof.

Speaker 12 And Shep is also like corroborating being like, I didn't hear any of that.

Speaker 12 So where do you land on the whole like Patricia's a bitch and I Madison like wanted or Brett thought Madison and I were having an affair?

Speaker 13 I think that, yeah, I think that Craig can embellish. I mean, he can embellish the truth.

Speaker 13 I think that like he hears one thing and he just wants to go with it. So he's like, let's, let's like up the ante a little bit.

Speaker 12 Let's make it a little bit more interesting and say it was bitch.

Speaker 7 Where do you cross the line between like just lying? I mean, where's where what's what's the difference between embellishing the truth and like making up a story?

Speaker 7 Like Sally, like the gangbang accusation sounds like

Speaker 7 where did that start?

Speaker 12 And now it escalated to this.

Speaker 7 Is he doing stuff like that? Or

Speaker 7 is he embellishing the breakup?

Speaker 13 I honestly don't.

Speaker 13 We talked about that at reunion to exhaustion. I think everyone on the couch was pretty much asleep.

Speaker 7 What's your take?

Speaker 13 Again, just kind of stay out of it. My only take on that is that when Paige was asking him to say something about the cheating rumors,

Speaker 13 he doesn't owe her that. I don't think he owes her that.
She broke up with him and he doesn't owe her. He didn't start the rumor.
Yeah. So he's like, that's not on me.

Speaker 13 I didn't go around starting this rumor that you cheated on me. Like, why do I have to stand up when you broke my heart? I had a ring for you.
And now I'm having to go, dude. She didn't cheat on me.

Speaker 13 He was like, I'm, no, you broke my heart. And I don't owe that to you.
So like a breakup is a breakup. You kind of part ways and you don't owe

Speaker 13 each other anything anymore.

Speaker 12 Kind of going off of that last season, obviously there was the season premiere. You had said to Craig, like, well, what about your girl cheating on you?

Speaker 12 Were there rumors just circulating around Charleston about that?

Speaker 7 Or like, where did that come from?

Speaker 13 That rumor, and it was very early on in their relationship. Allegedly, this is all alleged.
I do still regret saying that.

Speaker 13 It was just a rumor that was going around BravoCon. Oh.
Yeah. And it was just like, and, you know, people were chatting about it.
And so I repeated the rumor in that moment.

Speaker 13 And I'm the type of person where if I, I don't like to repeat rumors unless I have. facts and proof.

Speaker 7 Right. So I was like, I was hurt in that moment.

Speaker 13 I apologize for saying it. I didn't.
I take it back. But again, still just a rumor.

Speaker 7 Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 12 Have you seen Sienna going

Speaker 7 live?

Speaker 12 All the TikToks she's posting, like trying to expose the truth about her time on the show and her relationship with Chef.

Speaker 13 I think I saw one. It was like part one.

Speaker 7 Yeah, it popped up with the

Speaker 13 trilogy

Speaker 13 of her lives or whatever they are. Yeah, I think I saw part one again.
I didn't really, I wasn't paying attention to that whole situation and maybe I should have a little bit more.

Speaker 13 But I was only on that trip to be with the girls like I was really just we had this ball rolling and I was like let's keep it going like I feel really good with the women and

Speaker 13 I just want to keep it keep it there I don't care about what's going on or like Santa and ship and whatever so but looking back at it all I'm like I look kind of stupid because from my experience with him I'm going this is your fault like you're the one probably ruining this relationship and in reality it's like the other way around like, Oh, I look kind of stupid.

Speaker 13 It makes me look like I'm jealous or something.

Speaker 7 I was like, No, I'm not, I could be the furthest thing from jealous in this moment.

Speaker 7 Truly, understandable.

Speaker 12 Yeah, it's just you not knowing the like details of it and just assuming of like who you know Shep to be.

Speaker 7 What did you make of oh, sorry for talking about Iraq's in front of your boyfriend?

Speaker 7 Uh, what, but what did you make of uh

Speaker 7 kind of Shep's behavior in the sense that like it seemed a little out of pocket for him to kind of melt the way he did and act that way or it was this do you think a product of just like a guy for the first time like not getting what he wanted and in the way that he wanted it and and that he was more uncomfortable with that versus like this is not the shet that we seem to have gotten to know this kind of like kind of nothing serious, you know, whatever, everything's a joke, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 7 All of a sudden he's talking about Freckles and like their love. And it's just like to the point where it's just like, whoa, you're getting a little creepy, Shep.

Speaker 13 I mean, yeah, it was, it was, it's weird watching that and being like, this is not what I mean to say. He doesn't take life seriously.
And so that's where I'm going, you're not taking life seriously.

Speaker 13 And this girl probably is trying to take life seriously. And you put her in this little bubble.
And that's not like you're confining her to this space. And like that, there's much more to this person.

Speaker 13 But yeah, to actually see him like. breaking down, I think it is like Shep got Shep.
So

Speaker 7 Shep got Shep.

Speaker 7 Do you think this experience i mean do you think it was real or do you think any part of it was him just like leaning in for the sake of the show i'll give shep that for your what you see is what you get okay yeah and do you think this experience will teach him anything that's a good question maybe i mean you can because he definitely you might be able to teach old dog new tricks i don't know

Speaker 7 i mean listen we we all need vulnerable moments we all need to feel embarrassed or be embarrassed humbled at times sheps is on television i'm I'm not trying to like shit on him but like that was a bad beat for him like he really was just like oh god you know like

Speaker 13 yeah but I'm just wondering if he will feel learn you know I think at the end of the day he'll be just fine he kind of

Speaker 13 I feel like guys in general do this they like turn their emotions off and they just kind of keep going with life and so I think that's probably just what he'll do.

Speaker 12 Would you support him and Molly or are you kind of like, I don't want Molly to get involved with that?

Speaker 13 No, I love Molly. And as you guys got to meet her a little bit, she's like somebody I naturally gravitated towards just because she is very cool, calm, collected.
She's not like in the drama. Yeah.

Speaker 13 She's also someone like, what you see is what you get.

Speaker 13 I, I mean, I don't know. I would never encourage someone to be with the person that I was with, but I don't know where Shep is today.

Speaker 13 I mean, I hope that he's like growing into his own and becoming, I guess, figuring out life a little bit more.

Speaker 7 It's not your place to. Yeah.

Speaker 13 I'm kind of like, oh, I'm not going to sit there and be like, you're not going to be like, you can't date my ex.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 7 You're not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be a good person.

Speaker 13 I'm very happy in my relationship.

Speaker 7 So I'm like, what's the

Speaker 7 future of you being on the show look like? Because,

Speaker 7 you know, you mentioned you just kind of came back for the women. It feels like whatever you accomplished, maybe that job is done.
Obviously, with Shet being your ex, like, clearly there is a.

Speaker 7 a challenge and rightfully so of like navigating being part of this group and then like obviously you know like the X storyline, but I'm, I'm guessing it's more of a thing than you wish it would be.

Speaker 7 Like, how do you see your future with the show?

Speaker 12 And also, having someone like Sally who wants to be you, attack your current relationship. Like, is it worth going through that again?

Speaker 13 I, I mean,

Speaker 13 obviously, like, knowing more of what I know now, I just, it's, it's very frustrating. I don't like to put myself in those situations.

Speaker 13 But yeah, it's a great question because I just do want to have that time and moment with Olivia, which I have. It's obviously not on camera, but that's what the viewer wants.

Speaker 13 And I don't think that I'll be getting that moment. And that's the only reason that I came back was to like end on a good note and be able to move past everything.

Speaker 7 So you think it might be done?

Speaker 12 I don't know. Would you jump ship to Southern Hospitality?

Speaker 13 That would make more sense because I do actually hang out with those people. Those are people I've known for a very long time, even before they started Southern Hospitality.

Speaker 13 I knew TJ and Brad and Emmy and Will and all of them. So it would make more sense, but I haven't seen it.

Speaker 7 So talk to me about TJ.

Speaker 13 Yeah.

Speaker 7 He seems real toxic to me.

Speaker 12 He likes to stir a pot.

Speaker 7 Gaston was his roommate for a year and a half. A year and a half.
A year and a half. Yeah.
I didn't say he has no redeeming qualities. Yeah, let's know.

Speaker 13 I can see how that, like, you know, people are like, oh, he's a pot stir. And

Speaker 13 I think that he is the type of person who does bring facts to the table.

Speaker 13 And he will, like if he's going to say something he's going to have a reason as to why he said it or back it up and i mean i'll always try to

Speaker 13 uncomfort the whole joe conversation it was that was a very uncomfortable that was like conversation was he blacked out or is he not blacked out and if he's blacked out i'm like what are we talking about here it was really that was really tough for me as a friend to watch that uh because seeing tj get very emotional like he's just not an emotional person and i think that it was just maybe downplayed like that whole situation was downplayed a little bit so he's getting emotional about it.

Speaker 13 And it was. It's a very like, how do you navigate a conversation like that? It's, it can be very uncomfortable.
So,

Speaker 13 but I think that there will be more answers to that at their reunion.

Speaker 7 Okay. Yeah.
But you stand by them.

Speaker 13 I'll stand by them always.

Speaker 7 Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 12 And you're, are you super close with Emmy and Will as well? Because there, your name got brought up last episode with TJ and Emmy having a little confrontation.

Speaker 13 Yeah. Yeah.
I saw that. I was like, wait.

Speaker 14 Did I say that?

Speaker 7 Well, I did.

Speaker 13 But yeah, no, I've known Emmy and Will. I know Emmy more better just because she, when we started to get to know each other, we were actually in London with Will and Emmy

Speaker 13 two years ago. And it was right before season one was about to air.
And I said, just let you know, y'all's relationship is going to be under fire.

Speaker 13 Y'all are going to get painted out to be this cute little couple, the fun couple that works together. I said, but in due time, it will happen.

Speaker 13 And they're like, I was like, y'all just have to be prepared.

Speaker 13 You know, don't do anything stupid. But of course, like

Speaker 13 their whole situation, I think that Emmy could have handled it better. But I think that she just was in defense mode.

Speaker 13 Like what she had been through going, you know, being in long-distance relationship. He's in law school.
He's under a lot of stress.

Speaker 13 So she's just trying to protect him in that relationship because they made it. Like they got through the first year.
And it felt like everyone was trying to come in and attack her.

Speaker 13 In reality, they're just going, we're just checking in on you. So she saw the attack, not the concern.

Speaker 12 With the rumors like flying around about Will for multiple seasons at this point, like, what do you make of it as somebody who also has been in a relationship and probably have heard rumors and whatnot outside of it?

Speaker 12 Do you believe like where there's smoke, there's fire? Or do you think that there's a group of lawyers that are bullying Will?

Speaker 13 I don't know about that, about a group of lawyers bullying, but I don't. I mean, I don't know.
Well, someone went to law school or were there a bunch of bullies in law school?

Speaker 7 I don't know. Well, bullies might be a strong word, but I just feel like people in law school would like might be competitive.

Speaker 7 Also, like, you know, going being on a reality TV show, depending on who you asked, like, is a door for people to criticize you depending on your community. Yeah, I think us reality TV stars have

Speaker 7 risen up.

Speaker 7 We have leveled up in terms of our credibility, but I still think we're, you know, we're, we're punching bags for, for, for people sometimes to like, oh my God, I'm sure they don't take you very seriously, maybe.

Speaker 7 Well, back to my question.

Speaker 13 Do you think that there's some, like do you think that emmy's doing the right thing by saying no to these rumors or do you think emmy should be addressing the rumors and not getting defensive i think there could have been a conversation um instead of just because and there might have been it just wasn't seen but to just come in and say no it didn't happen uh it to the viewer to people listening they're going you're just saying no did you have a conversation right and uh so yeah i think that there i'm sure there was but it needs like just have a conversation where are these rumors coming from and why?

Speaker 13 And then, okay, let's put it aside.

Speaker 12 I mean, I do think it is hard because it's like Austin's ex-girlfriend who could be his current girlfriend's like brother's sister's friend heard that.

Speaker 7 And it's like, okay.

Speaker 12 Are Emmy and Will at the reunion?

Speaker 13 Will doesn't show up. Yeah, Will's not, he's in, he's like in the back room, but Emmy's the only one.

Speaker 7 But it's on stage. He was there.
Why he would show up.

Speaker 12 They teased it as Andy Cohen saying, well, Will's not here, so he's not on the show anymore.

Speaker 13 No, he, I mean, he was at the studio, but he was not on stage.

Speaker 7 Interesting. So I don't know why

Speaker 13 the reasoning for that would be. I don't, I really, I didn't even ask.

Speaker 7 Maybe the bully lawyers got him.

Speaker 7 Holding him in the back in the locker.

Speaker 7 Give him a swirly.

Speaker 13 This year of Southern Hospitality has been

Speaker 7 good.

Speaker 7 It's been entertaining.

Speaker 12 I think you jumped ship. I think you joined some.

Speaker 7 I don't know if I want to join the dark side. What else have you been doing in your life? You watching anything fun?

Speaker 13 We just started watching SEAL Team. So, SEAL Team, AJ Buckley actually lives in Charleston.
He and his wife and their three kids. So, we've met, you know, met them.

Speaker 13 We go, we watched his kid do a little band thing at Wind Jammer. And so, that's been really fun.
But then, obviously, White Lotus.

Speaker 14 Yep.

Speaker 7 I've been loving that one.

Speaker 7 We've only watched two episodes.

Speaker 12 The third episode came out last night.

Speaker 7 Came out last night.

Speaker 7 Get on it. You also have your brands.

Speaker 12 I know.

Speaker 7 You've got my sweatshirts. I really like the sweatshirt.

Speaker 7 In terms of swag gifts that we get,

Speaker 7 it's a nice little oversight. I love that.
Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 7 It's a nice medium sweat. Sure.

Speaker 13 I know I've got this is our Simone set. So we've been, I've been very busy.
Yeah, the Simone. This is named after Simone Bile.

Speaker 7 That's my middle name.

Speaker 7 Oh, it is.

Speaker 7 Okay. Yeah, actually, we've named after you.

Speaker 13 But yeah, so we've been very busy with that. We've got some pop-ups coming up in Baltimore.

Speaker 13 My business partner is in Baltimore um and i'm in charleston obviously so we're it's kind of nice being in two different places on the east coast that are in between like the florida keys miami area and then new york and yeah yeah so it's been really fun it's kept me busy and um

Speaker 13 i know we'll see where it goes well now you have to come back next season so we can at least promote the brand i know right yeah i know tj's got his sir wieners that's been doing really well really yeah I know.

Speaker 13 Well, I'm going to have to tell him to send you guys some swag because they're

Speaker 7 hot dog cart.

Speaker 13 his hot dog cart yeah yeah what kind of hot dogs all beef uh yes i think there's it might be a brat worst remember that the brat worst one i he should i think it's called the worst one is the brat worst but does he have a cabasa no

Speaker 13 he could get a little fancy with the meats but there's a one with peanut butter on it

Speaker 13 so all the hot dogs like have they're named after some of the the care the cast members and the one with peanut butter on it is like emmy emmy's is he working the stand is he behind there

Speaker 7 slinging the dogs Yep.

Speaker 13 Junk.

Speaker 12 Emmy licked peanut butter off of someone's job.

Speaker 13 Yeah, so that's where that one came from.

Speaker 7 Who did? Emmy.

Speaker 13 I think it's in season one. They talk about it.
Yeah, we didn't know.

Speaker 7 But that one's the best one. That's the best hot dog

Speaker 13 with

Speaker 7 something like that.

Speaker 7 The Kimi wiener time. Wouldn't you prefer there to be peanut butter? And that one's the best one.

Speaker 7 You'd rather have

Speaker 7 peanut butter on it.

Speaker 13 It's so good.

Speaker 7 With the pretzel roll? Yeah.

Speaker 12 Interesting. Yeah.

Speaker 13 So next time you're in Charleston, come to Lamar's. We'll go.
We'll get Leva to hook us up and we'll get TJ to hook us up with a wiener tie.

Speaker 7 Next time.

Speaker 12 I definitely don't need like extra things in my mouth when I'm trying to like do a DJ. Like I don't need to like.

Speaker 7 I'm not thinking you're like pausing like, can I get some peanut butter? But like, I'm just saying if peanut butter was there.

Speaker 12 No, that's just extra things I have to like. Peanut butter is so sticky.
You know how long that's in your mouth for?

Speaker 7 Like you're like, yeah, it's like constantly. Yeah.
It's like that's peanut butter. You're giving me too much work right now.
I'm going to choke or something.

Speaker 7 Why was there peanut butter? Is this a dare? Was it a dare? I don't, I don't, I don't know.

Speaker 13 I think I asked her about it and forgot what she said. I think she was like, We were just making experiments in college or something silly.

Speaker 12 Do we see like marriage with Gaston?

Speaker 13 Or Niela, do you want to answer that?

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 7 How long has it been dating?

Speaker 13 A year and a half.

Speaker 7 Almost? Oh, yeah. Congrats.

Speaker 7 That must get so annoying, though, even like bringing up Shep, just because in TV time, like it's just, it feels like you you guys, like, just broke up.

Speaker 7 You've been dating someone else for a year and a half.

Speaker 13 Like, and we were broken up for over a year before I even started dating him.

Speaker 7 But you haven't been dating Shep for two and a half years.

Speaker 13 I don't know if you were like, she moved on so far. I was like, it was over a year that I was single.
And then I, you know, met him.

Speaker 7 And

Speaker 13 yeah, well, I guess we've, we've already known each other, but I was going to say reconnected.

Speaker 12 I always, because I give reality TV stars, especially in the bravo sphere, like so much credit because it's like, you do go through such a dramatic summer, maybe three months or whatever, and then you have a year to forget about it, recover, and then all of a sudden it's like airing now.

Speaker 7 Let's go through your trauma. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 13 Yeah, people think it happened last week. Like, this was a year ago.
This all happened a year ago.

Speaker 12 But like, how does it feel to prepare for a reunion like that?

Speaker 12 Because it's like, you know, you're going to be asked questions in a way that's like as if this happened yesterday, but you're like going off of emotions that you're trying to replay by re-watching.

Speaker 12 Right. Like, how does the reunion go down in a sense? Cause I feel like it's so passionate too.

Speaker 7 Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 13 And I, I mean, it's hard when you're, um, I guess, in it. Like if you're, if you're still trying to recover from it or whatever, it can be very emotional.
But I think this year I was so just over it.

Speaker 13 And like, I'm in such a better and more healthier place that I just was like, bring it on. I was like, go ahead.
This is all. dumb.
It's all done and said with.

Speaker 12 So have you ever skipped episodes or like that dude? I fast forward. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 I'm like, this is boring.

Speaker 13 It's like the Austin and Craig of it all. Oh my gosh, y'all are fighting over a stupid podcast.

Speaker 7 Are they really fighting?

Speaker 13 I think so. I don't think they're doing the podcast anymore.
I don't. Yeah, but we tried listening to it one time on the way home from one of the trips like a few years ago.
And we're in the car.

Speaker 13 It was like me and Vanita and I think maybe someone else. And I was like, why are we listening to their stupid voices?

Speaker 7 Like, we just have to listen to them all weekend. Just like, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep.

Speaker 7 And now we're pillows and beer because because craig makes pillows i understand that name yeah uh what was it about though oh i don't even remember just like they're i mean like they i'll give it there's some things that are funny and goofy but i don't know they're like their last episode was january 6th with spencer prop oh of this year of this year january 6th okay well maybe they're still doing it it's march 3rd all right no so they

Speaker 12 break they brought it back after their fake cancellation there is some speculation about

Speaker 12 Sally and Craig. Obviously, they were like seen at Nobu or something in New York.

Speaker 12 And then I took it as like, oh, it's two co-workers in the same place.

Speaker 12 And then she went on Watch What Happens Live and was asked about it and played really coy and was kind of like, we had a chaperone.

Speaker 7 I feel like that's so Sally.

Speaker 12 It definitely is. It definitely is very Sally coded.

Speaker 13 To my knowledge, I'm pretty sure she's like dating someone. Oh,

Speaker 7 okay. And

Speaker 7 it's giving JT.

Speaker 12 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 7 It is. Wow.
Yeah.

Speaker 13 I mean, I've said that. I said, you just, just wait.
I was like, you think JT is bad?

Speaker 12 Do we find out at the reunion whether or not JT has left the show officially since he announced it like five months ago?

Speaker 13 You will, I don't know.

Speaker 7 Can I just fire him?

Speaker 13 You will see an appearance, but I was like, he better show up because... You think I wanted to show up last year? Right.
Like after everything that was going on,

Speaker 13 yeah, I wanted to crawl into a hole. I was like, you have, you just answer to the questions.
Like, just say you're sorry and, and let's move forward from this. But he does.
He shows up.

Speaker 13 And I can't remember if he gave an explanation to that or not. I think he did, but

Speaker 7 I thought that was for next season.

Speaker 13 Quit mid-season while it's like before it airs or whatever.

Speaker 7 Yeah, that's why I was like, this must be for the next season.

Speaker 13 I was like, I don't know. I haven't looked at my

Speaker 13 contract, but I'm pretty sure you can't just quit.

Speaker 7 Quit and then show up to the reunion.

Speaker 13 Yeah, then show up to the reunion.

Speaker 7 So I'm not sure.

Speaker 7 Every time I come back out like why are you why are you even here how did he end up on the show who was he friends with cregan austin i think he just kind of knew like he like knows them in the crowd but that was why he was so adamant about like being my friend was because he was he just strikes me as the guy who you meet and he's like i'll pick you up at the airport and he kind of weasels himself into the friend group because he he's kind of like i'll do that he does a bunch of favors and you're like yeah he seems harmless enough and then all of a sudden you know this guy who really doesn't belong starts fucking running his mouth thing and That's, I mean, that is essentially what happened.

Speaker 7 Like, I thought, and of course, I'm like, yeah, new friends.

Speaker 13 Like, oh my gosh, he's so funny. He's like, so easy to be around.
And a few months in, he was like, oh, yeah, I'm interviewing for the show.

Speaker 7 And I was like, oh, awesome.

Speaker 13 Like, that's so exciting. And looking back at it all, I'm going, oh, he was just trying to befriend so that he could have like a storyline.
And

Speaker 13 I mean, that's kind of, yeah,

Speaker 7 I think it reads. Always be wary of the

Speaker 7 new friend you meet who starts offering you a bunch of favors.

Speaker 12 What was your reaction to seeing Shep of all people have a comment on Gaston's appearance?

Speaker 7 You're kind of hot. Yeah,

Speaker 7 he is.

Speaker 7 I mean, especially if we're putting the two side by side, it's

Speaker 7 jarring. I just, I mean, we don't have to shit.

Speaker 14 We don't have to shit. No, no, no, no, no.
But he wanted to shit on Gaston.

Speaker 7 Oh, 100%.

Speaker 13 No, I thought it was very middle school.

Speaker 12 I was like, are we in high school?

Speaker 13 Like, when Sally and Madison and Paige were sitting there just like gossiping and like talking, I wanted to like jump through the screen.

Speaker 13 And by the way, that day that they went to go film at Craigs, because I had canceled my birthday party because I was grieving my dead brother on this huge like monumental birthday, 30.

Speaker 13 I'm like, I want to be with my family and my. my boyfriend and my friends and people who the only people on that cast that reach out to me on my birthday were Rod, Leva, Benita, and Molly, of course.

Speaker 13 But yeah, nobody was like, hey, you know, happy birthday. Hope you're doing well.
I know this is a big,

Speaker 13 and everyone there knew why I canceled my party had nothing to do with him telling me to cancel it. I told Leva that I just can't do, I can't be, I can't do cameras.

Speaker 13 Not, I just, I need to be with, with people that know and love me and genuinely care about me.

Speaker 13 And then to see what was going on behind the scenes of somebody trash talking my relationship and my person on the day of my birthday that I canceled because I'm grieving my dead brother.

Speaker 13 I was just like, that was low. Yeah.
And like, Madison, you're going to talk about like you, you talked about JT's looks. Like, you're talking about, like, what are you, the mean girl?

Speaker 13 Like, that's just, I just, I was like, I have no respect. And Lova did.
So she's like, that whole day, I was going around being like, she canceled a party because she's grieving.

Speaker 13 Like, she doesn't want to be around cameras. Yeah.
And everyone knew that. And they still decided to talk about me and my relationship, which is awesome.

Speaker 12 Sounds like some people needed a store line.

Speaker 7 Yep. No, you know,

Speaker 7 are you watching Traders at all?

Speaker 13 no and i want to see it because i heard that tom sandoval is just cringy as ever he's great television he's a very nice singing and then gabby is hilarious so i i'm like i need to watch

Speaker 12 these two tom is great television he is but i mean gabby is also made for television and she's she has episode you know yeah she is

Speaker 13 yeah she's funny yeah i think she definitely she's just like clicky and and funny i speaking of tom being entertaining, it was that week that I was here last that you guys had him on your podcast before me, I think.

Speaker 12 And you're like, get ready for that one.

Speaker 13 And that was wild. I was so excited to listen to that episode.

Speaker 7 We've been talking about getting him back on, but we'll see.

Speaker 13 I'm going, Nick gives you a platform to be able to give your side of the story. And Natalie, and you guys were really like, we're helping you.
We're trying here, Tom.

Speaker 13 We're trying to help you out here. And he just was like,

Speaker 7 you know,

Speaker 7 and you're like, we're really trying here. we do try

Speaker 7 we hope to have them back on anything else we want to unplug or promote reset athletics

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Speaker 7 Taylor, it's great to see you. Thanks for coming back.
Thank you so much for watching. Always fun chatting with you.
Wishing you the best of luck and maybe Southern hospitality.

Speaker 13 We'll see what's in the cards.

Speaker 12 I feel like that's a safer space for you. You know, like.

Speaker 7 What role do you play on that show? Because I don't feel like you're going to be working.

Speaker 7 I don't feel like you're not.

Speaker 13 Leva actually just opened up a new daiquiri spot, Zachary's Daiquiris. So that's going to be like the spot for the summer.
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Speaker 12 So we're going to see if that like works or whatever.

Speaker 7 Yeah, you don't have to be working.

Speaker 12 You can just be like there.

Speaker 7 Grace Lily.

Speaker 14 She's not working, but she's on that show.

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Speaker 7 Taylor's so sweet. I don't, I don't know why does she not?

Speaker 7 She always seems to have a hard time fitting with her cast of southern charm. I don't.
She really hates Sally.

Speaker 12 Yeah, I mean, I would too after everything. It's Sally's done, you know.

Speaker 7 All right, it's Hometowns. It's Bachelor.
You know what I realized? What did you realize? Because last week I thought I said they were like an episode. They cut one episode out.

Speaker 7 Was this the sixth episode of the season?

Speaker 13 I believe so.

Speaker 7 My.

Speaker 12 Yeah, episode six.

Speaker 7 When I was on the show back in the day long it like hometowns was week nine they're cutting they're three episodes shorter which makes i mean it's like how we how how are we at hometowns how is zoe at a hometown when she doesn't even have a date but that's not zoey's fault like it's just like that's the format of the show like it was like all of a sudden we started getting some drama with carolina and then like you know that should have been a two-on-one but like man they really like the chemistry between zoe and grant is the most

Speaker 12 the hardest thing to watch. There's absolutely nothing there.
I mean, that date was brutal.

Speaker 7 I mean, they didn't spend any time together, you know, and she's introducing.

Speaker 12 I guess. Just like the photo shoot, everything was just like so hard to watch.
Like,

Speaker 12 neither of them looked like they really were like into each other.

Speaker 12 And I wish we would have some like different type of theme for the photo shoot, too, because it feels very forced where it's like, okay, now we're going to have the photo of you proposing in case we do do this.

Speaker 7 We already have it. Yeah.

Speaker 15 He also didn't say, I love you, or I'm falling in love with you to Zoe.

Speaker 7 No. It was just the, I feel confident.
He also didn't feel like I'm not. Confident want to send you home next week.
Yeah, literally.

Speaker 7 Well, again, like, I mean, it's, if they're going to cut out three episodes, like, don't take four people to hometowns.

Speaker 7 If you don't have enough, like, episodes to, like, tell a, tell, tell at least four different stories of a relationship we should give a fuck about,

Speaker 7 and maybe change the format. But, like, week six.

Speaker 12 The fact that he's saying, right now, I like Zoe a lot at hometowns is a wild statement to say.

Speaker 7 And yet, she didn't get eliminated. She's top three.
And I called it right before it happened. I'm like, Dina's going home.
He had to send her home. As soon as her family doesn't show up, she's gone.

Speaker 7 You know, it's just like, and I really feel for Dina. And I say this as someone who also has 10 brothers and sisters like she does.
She didn't specify religion, but I'm assuming she's Catholic.

Speaker 7 She referred to her dad being an ordained deacon.

Speaker 7 which if you're Catholic, that's like basically a deacon is like someone who's like super religious, devout, thought about being a priest, but still wanted a family.

Speaker 7 And deacons can get married and have kids and they have certain like abilities at a like a church service to, you know, give us a homily. That's like a sermon or whatever.

Speaker 7 They're not quite, they're not a priest. They can't like turn the bread and the wine into the body and the blood of Christ or whatever.
The Eucharist.

Speaker 7 If you're Catholic, you know what I'm talking about. But like it's giving Catholic, you know, listen.
I'm really disappointed in her parents. How old is she? She's

Speaker 7 late 20s, late, she's a lawyer, right? She's a lawyer from Chicago. Like, listen, like, now and either way we look at it, we have 18 years.

Speaker 7 We have 18 years to raise our kids and teach them character and morals and values and lessons and life. And then, you know, when they're adults, it's up to them to like live their lives.

Speaker 7 And like, obviously, River isn't going to, like, we don't expect or want River to like be a 20-year-old. and like need our permission to do life.
Like, I hope she asks for advice.

Speaker 7 I hope she like checks in with us. She'll do things that might disappoint us.
We might not have chose for her, but that's part of life. And like, you got to show up for your kids, you know?

Speaker 7 And like, I get that her parents don't love this, that she's doing this. I, I, you know, they don't have to love it to show up for your kid.

Speaker 7 But the moment like you, like, you decided for your daughter to like ruin her experience because, you know, you didn't approve it. Like, I don't know.
It's just show up. Show up for your kid.

Speaker 7 You don't have to like it. Show up for your kids.

Speaker 7 You can even, even when they, even when you show up you can be you can be honest you can be you know no one's saying show up and pretend to like it be be the we love we love the parents on this show who don't act like fans and show up and like give a little like caution to their kids and the people and like are just real people be that version like don't just like not like you they left their kid on an island and like painted themselves and their family in a light of like we don't if you if you don't do what we agree with we're not we're not going to support you And like, just like, just, and like, I don't know, being super religious isn't like a, an excuse.

Speaker 7 Like, I don't know what it is. This is not your against religion to go on TV.

Speaker 15 Do we know it's about the religion part?

Speaker 7 No, but she like referenced, you know, my family's very conservative.

Speaker 12 She's traditional. And she was saying how like this isn't, you know,

Speaker 12 they don't approve of the fact that like you're dating 25 other women. So I think it definitely had to do with like that.

Speaker 7 But she showed up for a show. She went on the show.
She's already on the show. So clearly they didn't like, they didn't love that.

Speaker 7 But again, again like she's not gonna as a 30 almost 30 year old 31 yeah as a 31 year old woman your kids aren't gonna do exactly what you want them to do you're gonna abandon them you're just gonna not show up you're just gonna be like nah we're good yeah no one from her family like not even a one of her siblings was like i'll be there for her yeah that's tough and he had to send her home you know because like clearly like if your family is not gonna like they're they're so against this i i mean i i wouldn't feel comfortable like

Speaker 7 proposing you're moving forward with a relationship. Like, she, she absolutely had to go.

Speaker 15 Can they meet off camera? Has that never happened where like a family meets with?

Speaker 7 I met Rachel Lindsay's dad off-camera. Yeah.
That was, you know, he's a federal judge. Her whole family was there.
I met her mom on camera. Her, you know, like, yeah, there's, that's huge.

Speaker 7 That's hugely different. Than her whole family just being like, no, we want nothing to do with her.
And I, and I did meet her dad and I had a real good conversation with him.

Speaker 7 As a federal judge, he wasn't comfortable being on camera, but that has to do with his like job and, you know, whatever that's all about. But like he very much was there.

Speaker 7 We were never filmed speaking. He was not part of the show.
He wasn't on camera. We had a good conversation.

Speaker 7 I had a great, real conversation with him afterwards because like, obviously he didn't know I wasn't going to, you know, like he showed up for his daughter, you know?

Speaker 15 Yeah. So that could have happened in Dina's situation.

Speaker 7 Yeah. It's just like, I really felt for her.

Speaker 16 Was it Melissa Ryecroft who her family didn't want to participate and and then she ended up winning the season?

Speaker 7 Oh, it's way before my mom.

Speaker 16 On Jason Mesnick's season? Who?

Speaker 7 All right. Well,

Speaker 7 OJ. You're way too much of a fan.

Speaker 15 I'm sad Dina went home, though.

Speaker 15 I had the biggest crush on her.

Speaker 12 I definitely thought she was going to go farther than Zoe.

Speaker 7 So that was. The fact that Zoe is in top three and like she has never really even had a, I mean, this was her first one-on-one.
And it's like they have no chemistry.

Speaker 12 Zero. Well, it made it easy to figure out who he can't decide between.

Speaker 7 Yes, we know who his daughter is, and I don't think Latia is his.

Speaker 12 Juliana is my number one.

Speaker 7 Yeah, she's the number one, right? That's what I think she's going to win. Did you change your mind? No, she's always been Team Latia.
I've been Team Latia till I die. Juliana's runner-up.

Speaker 7 No, I think...

Speaker 12 I think Juliana's going to take it.

Speaker 7 I think the religion part is...

Speaker 12 But her family was like,

Speaker 7 we don't care.

Speaker 12 As long as you're like a man of God, which he is,

Speaker 12 he says faith is important to him. They're like, that's all we care.
They're like, you don't have to be a Mormon to be in our family.

Speaker 7 Latia looks like, I said this to Natalie.

Speaker 7 First of all, what a great round of hometown dates. And just in terms of New York City, Chicago, Wyoming.
Wyoming, this beautiful landscape horseback ride.

Speaker 7 Massachusetts.

Speaker 7 Most of Juliana's. Juliana, like, whatever.

Speaker 7 Massachusetts. Lovely family.
Lovely, lovely family. Latia looks like a creature who like just like came out of the woods on a horse.

Speaker 12 She looks like a siren. Yeah.
Not the creature.

Speaker 7 And I say that. No, I meant that in the

Speaker 7 mythical creature. Mystical creature.
Like a beautiful creature where you're just like, who did this like thing come out of the.

Speaker 12 She looks like she's created by AI.

Speaker 7 Yeah. She does.

Speaker 12 She really does. Do we think that there was like some form of drama with one of the two, like as to like why they wouldn't, why they would shelf Bachelorette this season?

Speaker 12 Or do you think it's just timing?

Speaker 7 The fact that Hometown's is in week six and not week nine, budget cuts. Like you have, I think, you know, we've heard all this drama and turmoil going on internally at the Bachelor Bachelor franchise.

Speaker 7 Like, I don't know how Grant Season has been doing ratings-wise.

Speaker 7 I don't know, like, I don't even know how to measure ratings these days, but network television when it comes to like who's watching it live versus streaming and yada, yada. It's like plus seven.

Speaker 7 Yada yada. But clearly, like, it's not, it's not performing what it used to, how it used to perform.

Speaker 7 They have more and more competition. Like, every time a love competition show like Love is Blind or Love Island pops off, like, doesn't even matter if it's not being aired at the same time.

Speaker 7 It's just like you're losing out to some competition. Yeah.
You know, it's just like with the,

Speaker 7 it's hard to watch Love Island and then come back to like the very vanilla format that is The Bachelor.

Speaker 7 And like The Bachelor is one of the most, I mean, between them and Survivor, like no one will ever replicate what The Bachelor franchise has done in terms of longevity and legacy.

Speaker 7 And just, you know, there's, there's something about being a Bachelorette or a Bachelor that like supersedes like just being one of many,

Speaker 7 you know, on love is blind or love island or whatever but like they're just they're not keeping up yeah they're just they're not and maybe the network part element of it all matters it will be really interesting to see what paradise looks like this summer do they make meaningful changes are those changes seen as cool unique different something that's game-changing or does it look like a copycat version of other shows like love island that have worked and like you know they did cost some more yeah but they're still limited to the problem with the problem with this franchise is um just like we've experienced with some of the ladies that we've interviewed there's like there clearly was this like wanting to become an influencer famous and like there's been a lot of very successful people from who've come out of bad nation and have done very well for themselves and and they made a meaningful at least temporary career

Speaker 7 from what they've been able to do. And it's network television.
It's very safe. It's very kind of vanilla.
Everyone's very not wanting to ruffle feathers.

Speaker 7 Villains are villainized for doing literally nothing on this show, you know, like interrupting whatever, you know, versus like the, the, the shit and drama we get from Love Island or, you know, even like the stakes of Love is Blind or, you know, all the, you know, Bravo, just the way they get into it.

Speaker 7 And, you know, compared to that, like the Bachelor franchise in general has like really, like, has had a hard time keeping up. And so like, will cast members go on to paradise and be good television?

Speaker 7 Or are they still going to be like very careful what they say and very careful what they do and not want to ruffle anyone's feathers? Because that's what it is now.

Speaker 7 It's just everyone's just afraid to make TV in hopes that they're the, you know, because that's how it used to be.

Speaker 7 Like if you were like the least problematic person who got the, like, the, who went the furthest, you would pop and you would become like this person with a big following and blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 7 But like the world's different now, you know?

Speaker 12 Yeah. I need

Speaker 12 like

Speaker 12 the girl that was like scallop fingers. Like I need like like sound bites and personalities back that, like, dressed up as a shark for their first day to show up to paradise.
Being silly, no?

Speaker 7 I mean, I need something. I need something.
I need something different. I mean, I need some real fights.
I need some real drama. Speaking of,

Speaker 7 so wait, I'm going to say Juliana is going to be my winner.

Speaker 12 That's who I think, too. I'm standing by Latia.

Speaker 7 I think at the last minute, he really likes Latia.

Speaker 12 I mean, I can see why he's so torn in the preview where he's like,

Speaker 7 I can see why.

Speaker 7 I feel like he really got like the dad's consent with juliana i feel like he he either way he gets what he wants he's going to be a part of a big family do you think he sleeps with anyone do you think he sleeps with anyone speaking of double standards though back to hannah brown's like here you have latia also religious less granted her delivery much different than luke parker's back in the day but nevertheless the premise still is the same, which is if you sleep with someone else, I'm not going to pick you.

Speaker 7 I won't be here. Like you can have sex with someone else, but I will be leaving if you do.
And like that was different wording, but exactly what Luke Parker did.

Speaker 7 And he was the biggest villain in the world for me. Maybe Maddie Pruitt did it too, you know, and stuff.
Maddie Pruitt. And, you know, where do you stand?

Speaker 7 Do you have a problem with Latia setting this boundary

Speaker 7 for Grant?

Speaker 12 Luke was talking about his standard for his future wife, saying that like she should never have been intimate.

Speaker 12 Where I'm like, this is where I'm like, for her religion, let alone that like she's been on this journey with all of these 20 women, I wouldn't be be able to get over that either.

Speaker 12 If he slept with somebody before he came on the show as the bachelor, I don't give two fucks. But like, yeah, if you slept with somebody that

Speaker 7 proposed to me, I'm probably going to say no.

Speaker 7 I mean, Luke Parker got crucified for Luke Parker. The guy who Hannah Marker.

Speaker 12 There's Luke Pell and Jed? Pell is a different guy.

Speaker 7 Luke Parker.

Speaker 12 Pell is the guy who's going to be.

Speaker 7 He's overnight. Luke Partner is the...
is maybe the best villain of all time. It's what made.

Speaker 7 Yeah, that guy.

Speaker 16 Yeah. He's the windmill, the one who got upset with Hannah for sleeping with Peter.

Speaker 12 Oh, I thought his last name was Pell.

Speaker 7 No, Luke Pell is the guy who should have been The Bachelor when I was The Bachelor, and then he was on JoJo's season. Okay.

Speaker 7 I'm telling you. Parker is the guy who was this amazing villain, Hannah Brown's season.
I remember. He was a huge douchebag.
And there's a lot of reasons to hate the guy. Yeah.

Speaker 7 And his whole, you know, his opening

Speaker 7 scene was like,

Speaker 7 He was basically like, I fucked a lot in college and then I met Jesus Christ and all of a sudden like I'm not a douchebag anymore.

Speaker 7 And then, like, they don't listen, they don't make television like that anymore.

Speaker 7 And it was like, wait, you got all that. Like, you got all your fucking out of the way, and now you're going to tell Hannah Brown she can't have sex with people.

Speaker 7 His delivery was terrible, and he was, he seemed like a worst type of guy.

Speaker 7 But either way, like, his delivery was basically like, he thought he was the winner, he thought he was her, you know, like he was the frontrunner. She really liked him.

Speaker 7 And all of a sudden, he was like, I'm not going to be comfortable with you having sex. And that is exactly what Latia is saying to Grant.
And I think that's their prerogative.

Speaker 12 I get it. Yeah.
I also wouldn't want that. I wouldn't want the guy that's going to propose to me having slept with two girls the night before.

Speaker 7 It usually happens.

Speaker 12 Happy bachelor party.

Speaker 7 It usually happens.

Speaker 12 Anyways, so this week on Summerhouse, we have, what, Jesse and Lexi kind of talking about their relationship.

Speaker 12 You have Jesse asking Lexi if I can't say this seriously with a straight face, but you have Jesse asking Lexi, hey, so next weekend, do you want to share a bed, like share a room together, be roommates?

Speaker 12 And she's like, no, for sure.

Speaker 12 I just want to make sure that we're like on the same page, that like we're like only seeing each other, like working towards that.

Speaker 12 And then he was like, Whoa, whoa, whoa, I think we're moving too fast.

Speaker 12 Yeah, and that was like kind of one of those, like I had to pause it, being like the double standard here where you're the one trying to play house for the weekend because you're trying to get laid for the full weekend.

Speaker 12 The second she's like, just making sure you're not doing it with anybody else.

Speaker 7 That is my, you're making my love is blind point. Okay, we're back.

Speaker 7 I'm just saying, but like, you're, I agree, I agree with you, but like, welcome to 2025, where like sex is like, I mean, we're just talking about sex and people like are like, no biggie when they're like, do you want to fuck tonight?

Speaker 12 She's putting her expectations up front. Yeah.
And Dave and Lauren did not have that.

Speaker 7 I'm talking about the just the conversation and how we as society like approach sex.

Speaker 7 And Jesse is approaching sex just like, I guess, in some ways, similar to Lauren, which is like, hey, we're just fucking. We're just having some sex.

Speaker 7 And like all of a sudden, and then Lexi's like, well, hey, hold on, like, sure, maybe, I don't know, I fuck.

Speaker 7 It's 2025, like, I'm cool, but like, if we do, I want to set some like up for an expectations. And Jesse's like, whoa,

Speaker 7 hold on. Because Jesse's like, assuming that we can all take our clothes off, exchange fluids, and like, that's not a big fucking deal.

Speaker 7 But like, if you want to start talking about feelings, holy shit.

Speaker 12 And yeah, pump the brakes.

Speaker 7 No, I agree with that. And that's, that's my whole point on love is one.
But

Speaker 12 I think it's different contexts.

Speaker 16 What about when they were sitting in the living room and Jesse had his hand all the way up her shirt just in public?

Speaker 12 Did anybody notice that?

Speaker 7 Cupping a boob.

Speaker 7 I mean, that's a difference between like if you're 6'5 and she thinks you're hot versus not.

Speaker 12 Actually. What was going on with the whole Kyle rage texting page? Okay, so.

Speaker 12 I guess Hannah had done some interview or something stating that the reason why she thinks she got fired from Summerhouse was because she posted for a competitor of Loverboy.

Speaker 12 And then Craig obviously signed a deal with Spritz Society. So he's now advertising for a different seltzer.

Speaker 12 So he said he's honestly beyond discouraged with Craig too, that this topic or that this wouldn't be a topic today if it wasn't for him and about a dozen lies.

Speaker 12 I can't believe this is where Hannah is at three years later. I'm fucking ape shit.

Speaker 12 So he's just pissed that like two people in her life are now promoting two opposing seltzer companies, but at the same time, it's like for Paige. She's like, what the fuck?

Speaker 7 That's

Speaker 7 none of my fucking business.

Speaker 12 She responds being like, fuck you. What have you ever supported a single thing I've done? Have you ever said anything about my podcast? Have you ever said anything about my book?

Speaker 12 I drank your drink for seven fucking years. I come to your dumbass fucking events and I only came here tonight.
So someone keeps your wife company while you pretend to be fucking Diplo.

Speaker 7 She ate.

Speaker 12 But it's true. It's like.
Kyle, I guess, has had like a monopoly over the beverage that is being shown on Summerhouse.

Speaker 12 And you'll notice that when you look at the mess of the kitchen, it's always going to be lover boy cams that we're toasting with, that we're cheersing with, that are left all over.

Speaker 12 So he's, for some reason, feels like he's entitled to come to Paige because her boyfriend and her best friend are doing other things in their career that she has no responsibility.

Speaker 7 Do you think that Paige is doing wrong?

Speaker 12 I guess supporting her friend, supporting other business ventures that don't support Kyle.

Speaker 7 And as she's going to need to support Kyle, period.

Speaker 12 But even then, she's at the rooftop here for your DJ set that I'm sure she has 500 other things she could be doing right now.

Speaker 12 I don't know where Kyle got the nerve, but I think Paige handled it absolutely 100% correctly because it really she's like, message them. I mean, I wonder what she said actually to Kyle.

Speaker 12 I hope that it was this exact.

Speaker 12 Oh, I mean, it looks like we're about to see that too, because the teaser was something where he calls her two-faced and she's like, are you calling me fucking two-faced, Kyle?

Speaker 12 Like, coming back down the stairs.

Speaker 7 What do you think of the new guy? Who's the new guy? Emerald. Yeah, who's like having sex with two and a half people tonight? What does that even mean?

Speaker 16 Two and a half people.

Speaker 7 Well, that's what he said.

Speaker 12 No, when he said it, I was like,

Speaker 7 and then Kyle's like, no, this is a New Yorker through and through.

Speaker 12 And I was like, I couldn't hang. I'm guessing he's the one who's like in this threesome that apparently happens.
I think he has to be.

Speaker 15 I know, yeah. We know it's one of the new guys.

Speaker 12 So him.

Speaker 12 And he mentioned a swing and he's saying how the sex parties aren't as fun as you think they would be. Where I'm like, I don't know who told you that they would be fun because that sounds

Speaker 7 like you're at a sex party. Who do you have to know?

Speaker 12 I think you have to be a certain caliber of of person for somebody to walk up to and be like, hey,

Speaker 7 you seem like you would enjoy this. But is it like a secret invite? Do you know anyone who's been to one?

Speaker 12 I don't know anybody that's been to one, but I've definitely seen like blind items about them where it's like you have to have a password.

Speaker 7 But how do you

Speaker 7 where do you, where does that conversation even start? I don't know.

Speaker 12 I don't know. And I'm actually very happy that I don't.

Speaker 7 I could try to. You're not remotely curious? Not to go, but like, doesn't that?

Speaker 7 I just want to know how someone like got recruited.

Speaker 12 Not at all. And as I said, I'm very happy I don't fit the mold of invites for.

Speaker 7 Do you just like hang a pineapple outside of your door and hope for the best? I guess so.

Speaker 12 Come to my dungeon party, like post yourself in a mask and a thong and see what happens.

Speaker 7 I don't know. Thanks.
Is anyone sad to see Tom Sandable go other than me on Traders? It was a pretty good exit.

Speaker 12 He had a great run.

Speaker 7 I think it was coming to an end.

Speaker 12 He's redeemed himself.

Speaker 7 And his self-aware kind of sign off goodbye.

Speaker 12 I would love to see him do an interview, though, to be completely honest, because I'm just curious as to like how his brain works

Speaker 12 post feeling like he's been validated and that people can hear him and listen to him and that his words have meaning.

Speaker 7 Well, you know what to expect from Tom.

Speaker 12 He's fine. And Gabby absolutely ate at the roundtable.

Speaker 7 Finally, Danielle had some competition. Yeah.
God, I'll hire her for my lawyer. Yeah, no.
Now can I speak? Yeah.

Speaker 12 I'm not done yet.

Speaker 15 And then what did she say? She said, I'm not saying I'm dumb.

Speaker 12 Oh, yeah. When she was like, I think that you're like not as smart.
Oh, I see.

Speaker 7 I think you're really smart.

Speaker 12 like, I'm not saying I'm dumb.

Speaker 7 No one ever said that.

Speaker 12 And let me continue. I'm excited.
We ended with a cliffhanger.

Speaker 7 So a lot's going to happen next episode because like next episode is the last episode.

Speaker 12 When we find out if Brittany voted for Danielle or Ivor, what do we think?

Speaker 7 Well, you have Danielle out there on social media teasing that she's safe, like telling her fans not to worry.

Speaker 7 Now, I don't know if that's her just being a really shitty contestant who's spoiling it for the fans.

Speaker 7 It would have been amazing television for Brittany to vote for Danielle. I hope Brittany is amazing television.

Speaker 12 The way that she said that she thought she saw Dolores kind of give her an eye and shaker hid her, like saying that she was voting for Danielle. That's why I think she's voting for Danielle.

Speaker 12 And I think this would also be kind of interesting because didn't she like double cross Danielle on the last show that they were at?

Speaker 12 So it's like her thinking that she's siding with like group mentality and still ends up double crossing her would be good television for me.

Speaker 15 If Brittany doesn't vote for Danielle, she's obviously a traitor.

Speaker 7 Brittany. That too.

Speaker 15 So it's like she has to save herself.

Speaker 12 But then we find out whoever this like seer is and like whoever got the most points, which I feel like is Danielle because she got the like 2,000 points here. Everyone else kind of lost points.

Speaker 12 She did the whole gold thing. Like, I think she's got to be the seer.

Speaker 12 And if she goes home, then maybe. They would just pass it down to the next person with the most.

Speaker 7 We'll see. Well, we do have Carolyn up next to give us a little bit more insider tea and all the things that went down in the castle.

Speaker 7 It was a chaotic interview, obviously, with Carolyn coming in and then me having to leave 10 minutes later. But we were able to cross paths.
I got to meet her in person.

Speaker 7 She, like we said at the top of the episode, is just a fascinating human being and you don't really know what to expect.

Speaker 7 But we got a chance to talk with her at Sierra and Justin, finish that interview. And that is what you're about to hear next.

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Speaker 7 Carolyn, I love you.

Speaker 7 Great.

Speaker 7 I can't think.

Speaker 7 I don't care. It's fine.

Speaker 7 I gotta catch a flight. God damn, what does that everybody hate? What's the thing? The one guy everyone hates me.

Speaker 7 Come on, Carolyn. Sit down.
I gotta go to, I gotta go to, I gotta go to Alex.

Speaker 7 I am. Hurry up.

Speaker 7 I have to catch a flight. Carolyn, run, run, run, run, run.

Speaker 15 I love her so much.

Speaker 14 Where did she go?

Speaker 7 Get in here. Get in here.
Hello. We're so excited to talk with you, Carolyn.

Speaker 7 How are you? Carolyn just got in from LAX. I have to leave promptly for LAX.
We're crossing paths in LA, but I had to stay behind at the risk of pissing off my entire family.

Speaker 14 So I'm looking at that picture again and I'm thinking it all over again. It's a mix between Pilot Pete.

Speaker 7 I've gotten that a lot too.

Speaker 14 It's a mix between Pilot Pete and that other guy that I just said. You don't get that a lot.

Speaker 7 I'm sure I'll get it. I got James Franco years ago.
Lately, I've gotten Theo Vaughan. I used to get Ryan Reynolds.

Speaker 7 But yeah, I'll take any of them, you know? Oh. Yeah.

Speaker 14 So yeah, thanks for having me. And honestly, I do better with chaos.
So this is great.

Speaker 7 Let's go.

Speaker 12 Great. I know you seem very zen for all chaos.

Speaker 7 I do.

Speaker 14 I'm so used to it. It's like, let's go.

Speaker 7 Well, I can talk to you for hours, but we only have like 10 minutes. So what do you want? Let's do this.
So you tell me.

Speaker 14 Talk your shit. See, here's the deal.
I'm leaving. I have a lot of like mentors right now.
Mentors.

Speaker 7 Yes. Okay.
So Boston Rob, Wes, yeah.

Speaker 14 And so I'm in this like balancing act of like, Carolyn, like you're leaving, because I don't want to be some bitter bitch who's like

Speaker 14 in the game. I already get made fun of enough for being so emotional.
Like, doesn't she know what she's doing out there? Doesn't she know she's playing a game? Yes, I do, but the traders is different.

Speaker 14 We're not playing like a big brother survivor. This is different.
So yeah, but I'll always cry in everything.

Speaker 7 And that I'm okay.

Speaker 14 I don't get what people are so freaked out by by like crying too.

Speaker 7 What's the internet, Carolyn? Let me get.

Speaker 14 Oh, I'm doing just fine.

Speaker 7 I stopped listening to the internet long.

Speaker 14 Oh, I don't read, but people will send.

Speaker 14 I don't even know, like, the, I'll know, like, okay, everyone loves you, or everyone hates you, or everyone's pissed about this, or everyone other than that, but I'm trying to like leave on a good note.

Speaker 7 Here's all that matters: you are excellent television. Thank you.
We enjoyed watching you.

Speaker 14 Do you think, like, do you think that I thought that, like, I know you're used to being around people and like you have a lot of who was just on this show? It was like someone really big, apparently.

Speaker 14 You're used to it. I'm not.
I'm from Minnesota.

Speaker 7 I'm from Wisconsin. Oh.
Yeah.

Speaker 14 That changes a lot then. Okay.
Never mind. Then like, how do you, so it takes a while to get used to this stuff, right?

Speaker 7 I mean, you know, you don't know much about me, but like the long time ago, I was on The Bachelorette and I was a villain.

Speaker 7 By many people, one of the most hated of all time.

Speaker 7 Why? It doesn't matter because it's reality TV. Who cares? If it's the bachelor, you can get, you get, you get shit on for like breathing the wrong way.
And then I just didn't give a fuck.

Speaker 7 I've never really given a fuck in most of my life. And I sense that's similar to you, but like, I just don't care.

Speaker 14 You know, absolutely. But I, I am like, that's the thing.
I'm a very emotional person and I have so much empathy.

Speaker 14 And so even if somebody like screws me over, let me like have my minute to be like, uh, and then I'm gonna like, it hurts me if I'm hurting you. So I don't like it.

Speaker 14 But I don't read a whole ton of crap.

Speaker 7 Like, you know what I'm saying? I'm just texting my wife. I'm not ignoring you.

Speaker 14 I'm listening. But my point too, I'll I'll just talk.
My point too is like, you're used to, like, I show up in this castle. I don't know who a lot of the people are.
And I'm scared.

Speaker 14 I'm really, really nervous because it's not what I'm used to. It's not like I don't selling Sunset or any of these big shows.
People are so used to like even being on

Speaker 14 TV, being on camera. And so I'm not kidding you.
You know how many times I was like, what is what are people's real personalities? Because it's like

Speaker 14 the camera comes out and then I don't have that.

Speaker 7 Who is the most disingenuine person of the cast? Who was the most on-camera on?

Speaker 14 I would say, like, honestly, Danielle was one of them. And I don't want to just say that because I don't like her, but it was just a very,

Speaker 7 no, no, like, no, no, no, no. I don't.

Speaker 14 I didn't expect it. So, for example, I would say, like, the um, Bob the Drake Queen, it really is like the same person on and off camera.
Chris,

Speaker 14 she is just very good at like being, you know, saying the things and being so.

Speaker 7 She's polished, period.

Speaker 14 Yes, because she's been doing this, but there weren't, like, there's just like with Danielle, I'm like, I did not expect this.

Speaker 14 Like, we go because one-on-one, I'm like, okay, yeah, like, we're getting along. And then in the turret, it was just, and I, I completely just took that as like somebody who's like playing there.

Speaker 14 Like, she's trying to do like, well, you know, maybe what Phaedra did, or like, because when they picked me as a trader, I said, I'm not an actress.

Speaker 14 I'm not going to be like murder or talking like that. I'm just going to be like,

Speaker 7 my son. I'm sure they were like, we don't need you to be your.
No, I know, right?

Speaker 14 Like, what I did, I was like, so I felt like, okay, there's people that are going to like, I expected, because that's what always bothered me about reality TV good is you go on reality TV and people aren't real and I know is that sounds stupid it's true and so I didn't with survivor it's like people are just so raw and like you really can't hide much you're all out there I knew it would be a bunch of people who just want screen time and like what do I need I wasn't thinking like that like what do I go out there and say say to make sure that i'm getting the airtime a lot of people think like that what did you think of dangel swearing on kids and grandkids and all these people and yeah and you know what you don't have to whisper you can just

Speaker 7 say with your chest

Speaker 14 like here i'm gonna be honest with you nick because it is hard because she's getting so much hate right now that it has like like because yeah you i've had a lot of poems about her and i was like piss but at the end of the day it's like okay it's a game carolyn but i don't believe that That's just what I'm told.

Speaker 14 The swearing on your grandkids thing. So, again, I have like a hard time like talking crap because she's already getting so much hate.
So, it sucks.

Speaker 14 But here's my opinion outside of like the shit talking: is that when I watched the traders, and I know we're only on season three, I just didn't expect anyone to go to that level.

Speaker 14 Oh, well, here, here's the deal. We're playing a game, and I never even knew what the prize pot was at.

Speaker 14 I'm not rich, but like, girl, you were going, like, I'm not going to do anything like, like, it was just not like, and I truly thought that this was a game, like to have fun. And for me, good.

Speaker 14 People watch like Big Brother in these shows. And it's like, almost like, go watch football or something.
I don't watch it for like the strategy or, oh, you did. I don't.

Speaker 14 Like, we have some strategy, but I don't give a shit about like this move or this move. I don't.
I want to be entertained. And I don't get entertained by that.
And so it was hard for me.

Speaker 14 I didn't think that I didn't think like we needed to go to that level with the people that we were playing with.

Speaker 14 And I'm not saying the people we were playing with aren't intelligent, but what I'm saying is like, you think Dolores thinks that people do that?

Speaker 7 No. Or Lord Ivar, they don't.

Speaker 14 And Chris? So seeing Chrischelle, and that's when I really knew, I was like, she had tears in her eyes, tears. And I'm like, I wouldn't be able to sleep at night if I was doing that good.

Speaker 14 And you're like, well, that's the game. That's Big Brother.
That's other shit. Not the traitors is.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I would definitely not, even if like I was a faithful and someone asked me to swear on anyone, anything of value, if I was a faithful, I just would be like, no, it's stupid. It's like, no.

Speaker 7 Like, I wouldn't, like, I would be offended by that position.

Speaker 14 But the argument is like that, that's the gamers versus non-gamers. And that's like, you do what you got to do to win.
That's how those Big Brother fans are.

Speaker 7 I mean, that's a little nuts.

Speaker 7 I don't care that much. Like, if I think I've been, obviously, I've become a fan of the show.
I've watched it. Like, they've asked me the show in the past.
I have been able to make it work.

Speaker 7 I hope someday I'll have a chance to do it in the future. But like, I wouldn't, I wouldn't care that much.
To swear on my kids. No, I know, exactly.
Like, it would be.

Speaker 7 I would care. I would try.
I would have fun. I'd get into it.
But like the moment someone's like, swear on your kids. I'm like, fuck off.

Speaker 14 It's not that serious. It's not that.
And so for me, I was coming off of a hard year. And you know what? I was excited when I got that call because I'm not some two-time winner.

Speaker 14 I'm not some freaking survivor champion Hall of Fame. So I was freaking excited.
I just wanted to go wild, bust out. And so it just, it did.
It sucked. I thought that it was a show for like fun.

Speaker 14 I mean, we're in a freaking castle. We got la la.
We got like, come on. So,

Speaker 14 but it was a great time.

Speaker 7 You hated it. No, no.

Speaker 7 I'm great. You had fun.
You had fun.

Speaker 14 I had fun, but I could have had more fun if it wasn't so serious. And again, and I don't want to say this.
I don't want to be like, the gamers are ruining the show.

Speaker 14 I don't want to, I don't think that they're ruining the show, but it doesn't need to be taken to that level of like it takes the fun out of it.

Speaker 14 Because at the end of the day, you want to watch people having fun on a TV show, not like taking like personal attacks or like

Speaker 14 swearing on their kids. That becomes icky, in my opinion, which is probably why they edited it out.

Speaker 7 Did you have a harder time watching it or doing it? Oh, girl,

Speaker 14 doing it, watching it. Like, I don't, and I really don't get embarrassed easily.
I could literally like shit on this couch right now.

Speaker 7 I'd rather not.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Which did happen out there.

Speaker 7 Like with something else. But anyway, like, I didn't.
You shoot your pants out there?

Speaker 14 No, I got my period on the breakfast chair the first.

Speaker 7 And I know, is that inappropriate? Yeah, enough for us.

Speaker 14 And you know how, so you try going to breakfast. You're a woman.
You understand?

Speaker 14 I go down to breakfast. This is my first breakfast.
I'm wearing a yellow skirt and I'm excited. I'm feeling cute.
They already had to tape my nipples to the thing and my bra was coming off.

Speaker 14 So I was already a little bit stressed, but it's my first breakfast where i have to like hi i get up and i there's like a murder scene and i'm like oh my god oh my god what do i do and thankfully dolores helped me but like yeah i literally like i am a murderer and i have blood all over me and i am yeah you're like wow she's a traitor you're like oh my god i died so yeah that's the type of shit that just happens to me but even then i didn't get like blood on your hands yeah like i could go on it's nasty but no like i am grateful for the experience because it is such a huge freaking show and it's so incredible and when you're out there, like it's gorgeous, it's beautiful.

Speaker 14 It's a cool show. So no like monster is going to ruin that for me.

Speaker 7 I could ask so many questions, but I have to go.

Speaker 14 But yeah, you got to go. Like, girl.

Speaker 7 I'm going to leave. If you guys have more questions,

Speaker 7 ask Caroline. Thank you.
Thank you for making that.

Speaker 14 Yeah, this was like, girl, I was like, I'm not coming from the airport.

Speaker 7 But no. Caroline, it's been so much fun.
Thanks for watching. Girl, my name's Carolyn.
Carolyn, that's what I said. I didn't want to correct you, but

Speaker 7 I get bad with names.

Speaker 15 I've told him so many times.

Speaker 7 What am I saying, Carolyn? You're still changing it. I'm saying, Caroline.

Speaker 12 It's okay. We've got multiple shows where it's Carolina, Carolyn, Caroline, and he says them all entertainingly.

Speaker 7 No one gets my last name right.

Speaker 14 How do you say it?

Speaker 7 Great question. How is it? It's vial.
People say vial,

Speaker 7 veil.

Speaker 14 Girl, that's because you literally rhyme your show with girl, like vile, file.

Speaker 7 I'm an idiot. What do you want me to say?

Speaker 7 Like, hell, I thought this was a

Speaker 7 crime pod.

Speaker 14 I'm like, when they asked if I wanted to do the vile files, I was like, I'm not doing some like investigation discovery shit.

Speaker 7 Maybe that's our problem. I know that's our problem.
Maybe we have a marketing problem. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 14 The vile files. I thought this was some sort of a like.

Speaker 7 I started a podcast six years ago.

Speaker 7 Topher Grace gave me the idea of the name. I was like, cool, that rhymes.

Speaker 7 And then like, you know, if I knew this show would be as big and successful as it was, I would have thought of something different.

Speaker 14 So, no, you're doing a great job. I'm jealous.
So that's the truth.

Speaker 7 That's too too late for a rebrand. Carolyn, I get it right.

Speaker 7 Thanks for having me, Nick.

Speaker 7 I love you. I'm so sorry.
I have to go. No, it's all good.

Speaker 14 I'm really grateful to be here.

Speaker 15 Well, can I just say you're my favorite on Traders? I haven't seen a single episode of Survivor.

Speaker 7 But you make me want to watch it.

Speaker 14 Well, tell, say that to Jeff Bropes. That's really bring her back.

Speaker 12 Because all stars.

Speaker 14 Not even that, but like that, this show, like it truly, this brings other people in who's never, and I've had so many people reach out to me and was like, I never saw survivor and now I'm watching.

Speaker 14 So it is, it's true. It brings to, because again, like people warn me, like, okay, like, there's different fan communities, like the Bravo people, the, and I've been now exposed to like all of them.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 14 It's, it's interesting. Every little community is different.

Speaker 15 Would you say that the survivors are grouped into like the gamer tag of it all?

Speaker 14 I feel like, okay, yes, the gamers, but I feel like Big Brother, though, is like its own, which is so crazy.

Speaker 14 It's both CBS, it's both like the gamer category, but I feel like Big Brother, the Big Brother, like fandom, it's just, it's, that's a different, um, I don't even know what that's on.

Speaker 12 Because I mean, the whole point of like Big Brother is like being manipulative and like trying to get people out, but you're all like living in a house together.

Speaker 12 I'm like, at least survivor, it's like you're trying to survive and then vote people out.

Speaker 14 I can get the hell away from these people. Like, I would never be able to do Big Brother.
And it ain't even about the live feeds and all that bullshit. It's about being trapped in a house.

Speaker 7 You might wear.

Speaker 14 No.

Speaker 14 And even on traders, like I could at least like, because I would, I would get like, um, usually I would just say, like, I like poop my pants or something truly and just go and just get a minute alone or get, I need that.

Speaker 14 I cannot be around. I can't be on 24-7.
I can't. And it is.
It's so much in a day that like it's, it is, it's hard. So on big brother, hell, no.

Speaker 14 No. But the gaming level of like, yeah,

Speaker 14 no, uh-uh.

Speaker 12 What's like going through your mind, especially your last episode?

Speaker 12 Um, while everybody's trying to like figure out like who's getting murdered or like who they think traders are, like, what's going through your mind while you're sitting there, like, knowing that you are a traitor and hearing everybody's theories or guesses, and like, like, wait, hold on, were we talking about the last episode?

Speaker 12 Yeah, like the last last episode specifically, but like, even just any breakfast in general, like that's the thing.

Speaker 14 It's so, oh, so my whole thing always, this was my plan because I'm like, if we're, if, okay, we're all, we're supposedly face, faithful, so like, let's just go with the evidence.

Speaker 14 Unfortunately, the evidence typically is just like someone sneezed in a certain direction or something just so stupid. And so that, but it's like you take hold of it.
So one person, that was my plan.

Speaker 14 That was my, what I was going to do. So one person.
So like Robin, I remember had said something about Wells. I'm like, okay, yeah, sure.
It was early on. Like, who cares? And so, okay, make it stick.

Speaker 14 And that's why I felt like I had so much on Danielle when I finally was going for her that I was like, but I couldn't make it stick. I couldn't make it stick.
And then I do.

Speaker 14 I believe at the end, like, people just knew she was a traitor. Not all of them, but some.
And so I get like whatever.

Speaker 14 But early on, it's kind of, and then the theories, the cage theory and all this, like, it's, and it is, it's not fun playing like that. I would much rather like vote people out because, um,

Speaker 14 yeah, they sneezed that day or something. It's these theories in these but i tried to play the game with like let's just follow the evidence and it's like girl

Speaker 12 i just wanted to have fun truly how hard was it working on a team of traders that couldn't get on the same page and that was including rob and danielle pop the track queen was like

Speaker 14 Okay, I've watched the show. I've watched all the seasons.
I've watched the UK,

Speaker 14 like all of them. And I'm like, yeah, I am a fan and I do own a cloak and I sleep in it.

Speaker 14 And I am like that was a dream i was excited my whole thing going in was like okay i'm not gonna go for them until they come for me or they like or or until it becomes so obvious that one of them are a traitor then like yep i'll throw them under the bus like or i'll vote along with it but i'm not gonna like that was never but we start going for each other so quick and again i didn't see it like I understand where Rob was coming from now, but out there, no, I was like, you're ego.

Speaker 14 And like, honestly, coming off of my like own like whole era of like don't you tell me what to do i'm an independent like i was bringing a whole ton of that in there and i've seen boston rob seasons and i'm like i don't want to be your phillip because that was like he had his little like person on the side i was like no i don't want and it was a lot of my own shit of like i don't trust a man I don't, and especially one who is

Speaker 7 like Boston Rob.

Speaker 14 Good. You're too good.
And I was intimidated. I was jealous of him.
Good. So I'm like, you can talk perfect.
You can, even that round

Speaker 14 table where he went, I didn't want him gone. I had written him a poem.
I just didn't get a chance to read it to him in person yet. But I didn't want him to go.

Speaker 14 But it would like truly, certain things would trigger me, like the way people treated Tom. Because I saw a lot of myself in Tom.
Okay. And

Speaker 14 good. And I shouldn't.
See, it's like the cool thing to do right now is to make fun of Tom.

Speaker 14 The cool thing to do is to, you know, he's a, you know, dirtball and he's a narcissist and he's all like, I love Tom and I don't like, cancel me tomorrow.

Speaker 14 I don't like, I will say that out loud because I truly don't believe that any person, anyone ever deserves to be judged forever by their past. I am somebody who has a, I don't have a good past.

Speaker 14 I used to hate myself. I used to not like the person I was.
I've done some bad things that I'm not proud of. So has Tom.
And it's like, how long does this person have to like be punished? So again,

Speaker 14 I'm not going to like,

Speaker 14 there's people who don't like him for certain reasons. And that's fine.
Like, go ahead and not like him. You may have like a personal experience with him.
But my experience with him, I loved him.

Speaker 14 So when people weren't listening to him, it like, even though I was wanting to work with Rob, I mean, I wasn't going to like go above and beyond to save him because I couldn't.

Speaker 14 The way that Tom, like, he's saying valid points. He's saying things that did make sense that day, but nobody would listen to him because it was Tom.
And so I spoke up and I'm like, just

Speaker 14 like he did this group mentality of like, and I get jealous of people like, but I'm just being real. This is like embarrassing, but it's true.

Speaker 14 I just was like, I'm so sick of you sounding so perfect and sounding. And again, he is, he's a great person and a great, but out there, I was, I, I was, I was like, I can never talk like that.

Speaker 14 I could never be like that eloquent speaker. And you know what? Somebody who's like a little bit weird and quirky like Tom, no one's going to listen to.

Speaker 14 So again, I saw myself in that and I'm like, just shut up and let him talk.

Speaker 7 Yes.

Speaker 15 Was he as sweaty in person as we saw on TV?

Speaker 14 Yeah, just at the beginning.

Speaker 14 But you know what I'm saying? I like literally got my period on the breakfast chair. So it's like, who the hell?

Speaker 7 Okay. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 14 We all like working with humans. Who the hell hasn't sweat here?

Speaker 12 You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 14 And I'm not trying to be like, okay, but he literally was wearing like a gray. That is the worst color to wear.
And the man lost or his bag, his luggage wasn't there yet. He did not have any clothing.

Speaker 14 So it's like he was working with what he could work with and wearing that hot ass sweater. It was like literally thicker than, and then he's wearing a gray t-shirt.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 14 I love Tom and I truly believe and I've told him this a million times.

Speaker 7 I was like, you are a freaky, like, you're a weirdo.

Speaker 14 He is a weirdo in the best way, though. And I love freaks and I love weirdos and I love people who are different.

Speaker 14 I, from the minute, like, and I'm like, ooh, so I always loved just like fucking around with him and scaring him. And I'd like be spying on him and doing weird shit.

Speaker 14 I loved him, but he opened up about like his struggles and what it just, just crap. And

Speaker 14 again, what drew me to him, though, was I saw myself in him. I saw like the people not taking him seriously.
I've experienced all of that.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 14 There's many times out there where I felt like the female Tom.

Speaker 12 Cause you did say that during the Test game or something. You were saying how like nobody listens to you.

Speaker 14 So here, and then Dylan, like, sorry, don't be you like girl.

Speaker 14 You see me and Dylan talking and he's like, I know and I'm, I hate that I've, cause I go, if I were Boston Rob, would you be listening right now?

Speaker 14 He's like, I know, and I hate that I've been doing this to you, not listening. Then you hear him say before that, he's talking about how nobody thinks that, but Carolyn, that's a bunch of bullshit.

Speaker 14 That's not girl. We've seen it.
People not listening to me. Like, stop.
But anyway, he

Speaker 14 with that chess thing. And this is like the human part of me because I can never play any of these damn games.
I don't care how much the prize pot is. I don't care how I can never play.

Speaker 14 And I can't separate it. I try.
And then it just, I can't. Tom was on a mission to redeem himself.

Speaker 14 Tom was on this. I'm going to be a faithful.
He took it very seriously as we saw in the lullaby thing. He was trying really hard.

Speaker 14 I remember I was like, because for me, like, I ain't going to be running really hard. You're not going to catch me.
No way.

Speaker 14 I love Kate's style of like, just like throwing stuff and like, I'm not hauling all this gunpowder because I know that there's about five other macho men who want to have that moment and that shot of them running.

Speaker 14 Let them.

Speaker 14 I told Gabby, I'm like, girl, we can take a break right here hauling that freaking.

Speaker 14 I don't care. I don't care if my head's up there.
I'm a traitor. But, like, I just didn't care when it came to that.
So, with Tom, Tom was trying.

Speaker 7 He was trying.

Speaker 14 So, for me, I'm like, when he said, like, oh, he's the leader or had said, I think he had answered it first that he could be the leader. Okay.

Speaker 14 I just wanted for one moment for Tom to not fucking feel alone and feel like there was somebody else on that cast who believed in him. That's the truth.
That is my heart talking.

Speaker 14 And I wanted somebody to, I wanted him to just feel for one fucking second that he was not alone in thinking that he could be this leader. Yeah.
And I know that's like good.

Speaker 14 And like, again, obviously it's like we see him mess up a lot and we see him like, I don't care. I love it.

Speaker 14 And I really hope that even as he watches this back, it's like, I feel like this has helped him. I feel like it's kind of made him like a little bit lovable.

Speaker 7 Yeah. Good.
Should I shut up about Tom?

Speaker 14 I do. I think he's great.
And I just don't think that anyone needs to be punished, you know, like the rest of their life.

Speaker 12 The doll challenge, I feel like, made him so endearing because he really was trying so hard.

Speaker 14 I mean, I don't know if they put this on, but he was like warming up.

Speaker 14 And I was like.

Speaker 14 I couldn't believe it. But again, and so when other people would be like side-eyeing him, I would be like, go, Tom.
And I wasn't doing it in like a condescending like me.

Speaker 14 I would always tell people, shut up, like, because I get those looks too. And you saw it during the season.
Like, the people, I get that all the time. Yeah.
So

Speaker 14 I can just relate to that. And I just, I, I loved him.
Good. Put me in prison.

Speaker 15 I do really respect this about you because I know when you were banished, you had your kind of little speech of like being judged for being different or being quirky. Like, we're more than just that.

Speaker 15 Like, we are humans. You can like see us past that.
And I respect that, that you're like taking an inclusive approach of seeing people for who they are beyond what's not the norm.

Speaker 14 And I loved Nikki's had Nikki had a similar like of just because people were judging her and thinking that she was gonna like, and it's like, seriously, Wes, because Wes expected her to like come out apparently in a wrestling outfit, like a table slam him.

Speaker 14 Like, oh my gosh. And I'm thinking, like, this isn't the wrestling ring, but I'm a trader.
And so I'm like, yeah, it's Nikki.

Speaker 14 But Nikki was that, like, because Nikki was pretty quiet when she was out there. She was pretty reserved.
She had her people.

Speaker 14 You know what I'm saying? Nikki is not like, this is not the, what does she wrestle for? The WE? WWE. Yeah.
This isn't the wrestling ring. But she said that.

Speaker 12 Like,

Speaker 14 I loved her speech. I thought it was beautiful because it is so true.
Like, we have these, and I did it. I'm not going to lie.

Speaker 14 I did it to people out there where I judged them or I thought they, I thought Wes was a freaking asshole. I was like, ew.
He was one of the first people that I was like, oh my gosh, I was wrong.

Speaker 14 You are not an asshole. You are.

Speaker 14 Same with Boston Rob.

Speaker 7 Really?

Speaker 12 Absolutely. Wes is a sweetheart.

Speaker 14 I thought he was amazing. I thought that I had a good experience with him because I know too, isn't there like some aggressive talk or something? Like, I didn't have that experience.

Speaker 14 But even like when I watched the show back and saw even like how Boston Rob talked with Grochelle, I'm thinking in my head, like, we did, we, me and Boston Rob did not have that type of relationship.

Speaker 14 But at the same time, I'm a trader, like with Boston Rob. Right.
You have to like spend time and have your little

Speaker 14 like alliances and whatnot. But we, like, in Boston Rob's defense, we never had the time to like actually sit down.
And it was always like, quick, what are we going to do?

Speaker 14 And that's it. So, of course, but with Wes, I just found him like, again, like he, his jokes and like, in my opinion, like, not everyone understood his humor.
Right.

Speaker 14 But I thought he was like, the first thing I said to him, I'm like, how the hell have you been doing this for this long?

Speaker 14 And he's like, Carolyn, I am dead inside. Or he was like, he's like, I have to just separate it.
And he's like, he always calls himself a sociopath. And I'm like, you're not.

Speaker 14 First of all, he really is. He is somebody who has helped me a lot even after the game.
And I just, I do. I think he's a great person.

Speaker 14 I think he like turns it on and off for TV, but truly is even out there. I saw a very kind person because he knew who I was from Survivor.
And

Speaker 14 he's like, yep, you're the one who just makes all those faces. And I'm like, I'm more than that, Wes.
But no, I thought. I tell him.
I thought he was great.

Speaker 15 Do you think, because you've talked about like group mentality, that there's like a popular kids' group in the castle?

Speaker 7 Oh, girl.

Speaker 14 Yeah. I was trying to get in with those Bambies from Hawaii.

Speaker 7 The Bambiers. The Bambiers.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 14 And like, again, but at the same time, it's exhausting to

Speaker 14 here's the truth. I had some really like just moments like off camera with people where it was like, oh my gosh, where I'm like connecting with them.
And I would just feel gross and make fun of me.

Speaker 14 I don't care.

Speaker 14 It felt so icky to, I know we're not actually murdering them, but for this, the only way I would have been able to do this role of a traitor is if I could just, again, keep it light and blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 14 But it felt so like unfair to be doing this with like, you know, a tom or a housewife. Or do you get what I'm saying? It felt so gross because they are not you.

Speaker 14 Well, maybe they should be used to it then, Carolyn. I don't care.
It felt icky. So when I would like bond with these people, people, I felt gross inside.

Speaker 14 So when I'd be crying, like, and this is like off-camera conversations of like real life stuff going on where I'm connecting. I'm thinking like Dolores specifically.

Speaker 14 She knew some just stuff that was going on in my life and we're crying. And then I'm like, oh my God, and I just murdered Robin.
And it felt like good. I don't, I don't care.

Speaker 14 It didn't feel good for me. I don't like to.
So when I, when I

Speaker 14 said I wanted to be a traitor, I wanted to be a trader, but I thought that, and I even asked Sandra before the show, I said, are people like, because when you watch, there's not a whole ton of like backstory or like, because on survivor, it's like, this is what I went through and accomplished.

Speaker 14 And like, it talks about like, just my, my life. I thought with traders, I'm like, they don't do that shit here.
So even like when there were times where I was talking like, um,

Speaker 14 because there's times where it's like, okay, just save that for the camera or whatever. I was like, Do you guys even give a shit about this past stuff or my trauma? Like, do you get what I mean? Yeah.

Speaker 14 I didn't think, i thought this show was just like upbeat and fun and whatever you know what i'm saying so i i was like they're not going to use that anyway but i would have those like i sandra had said like oh yeah no girl like we're just playing and it's like blah blah blah

Speaker 14 no like again there are people who obviously are going and i'm not saying it's not okay to emotionally manipulate people i just can't i i could do that in survivor with other gaming people it just felt icky in that environment.

Speaker 14 So when I would connect and it just felt like wrong.

Speaker 15 yeah you're making me think of mj last season where it's like she's from bravo and she got played last minute by the two gamers left trichelle and ct

Speaker 14 and like for me as a viewer i was i felt so betrayed for her i was yeah that what and then people and this is what i hate too like shut up and let her feel it like let her you know what i'm saying it's like that hurt i was even shocked i was like come on she's clear like you y'all knew but that's the game i don't care i don't like watching games like that let's all win together then i don't care Good.

Speaker 14 We all. And I guess I can respect how other people feel too.
That's just not how I feel. And I did not, when I would see like Danielle crying to that extreme, I'm like, girl.

Speaker 14 I don't like this. I don't want to do that.
And so I was like, the only way I can do this is if I try to keep it surface level or if I try to just.

Speaker 14 And so I really did.

Speaker 14 I was like, just do the best that you can and have like the, how are you doing bullshit conversations, but that sucks too yeah from the chess game when did you kind of realize that danielle had no you didn't no i

Speaker 12 we're sorry finished i wasn't if you realized that danielle double crossed you or that you outed yourself with helping tom with the answer okay no here's the deal that was me believing in tom

Speaker 14 yeah good i put that answer because it was freaking funny

Speaker 14 like that's the thing you could like create a million different scenarios with, like, when she was, like, see, I set her up with that Britney one because Britney, I'm close with Britney, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 14 And that makes it look suspicious. Yeah, girl, Gabby was picked for the two-face one, too.

Speaker 7 I don't think that was on there.

Speaker 14 Gabby was picked for the two-face one. You don't, but I don't talk like that.
And I'm not going to go in my damn confessional and be like, you see here,

Speaker 14 I'm close to Gabby. And that's going to put suspicion on Danielle.

Speaker 14 No, I don't. I was like, I do.
Whoa, that's me. So, no,

Speaker 14 anytime, and I would say this, even when we were thinking of like who to murder, I was like, I almost need to do the damn opposite of anything that this person says. That's how I felt.

Speaker 14 So that's why I say, I think there's a confessional where I say something like, I'm like overthinking everything.

Speaker 14 So if she's agreeing to something, I'm thinking like, oh my gosh, no, then that's, then I should do the opposite. So do you tried like thinking like that.

Speaker 14 But when it came, I willingly put myself as the like loud voice where no one listens to voice. Because this was my thought.

Speaker 7 Okay.

Speaker 14 My thought was like, I'm so loud about this. I am so loud about no one, you can't kill me.

Speaker 7 And nobody did that.

Speaker 14 it would look way too freaking like that is like the double obvious of like a traitor would never freaking put themselves as that position as i am the loud ass one being like no one listens to me yeah so in my opinion they clearly just thought i was a complete fucking idiot that's my opinion sorry clearly if they're like with the carolyn put herself there my problem yes i answered it because that's what we were doing we were going off of whether i believe it or not so again because dylan's like nope that's not what everyone thinks yes it is first off but second we were going off of like the the the read of the room and recently i had been or i had been saying it so much so it was like okay well i guess i always say that so that could be an answer just like sierra had said said, Britney's

Speaker 14 going under the radar or whatever the hell. You know what I mean?

Speaker 12 Like the read of the, like, what just happened?

Speaker 14 What just happened?

Speaker 14 No.

Speaker 14 But yeah, the only suspicious thing I did was argue with Dolores.

Speaker 14 Okay. And then stand up for Tom too much.
Good. That's my heart talking.
And I don't regret it. I never felt like suspicious.
But again, that wasn't enough to get me like.

Speaker 14 It's all good, like truly.

Speaker 12 So were you shocked by Danielle's turning on you at the roundtable?

Speaker 7 Yes.

Speaker 14 I like, girl, I was not, I wasn't, I wasn't prepared, but I'm not gonna, I was too hard on myself, like I always am.

Speaker 14 And when I say like, I wasn't ready, like, I wasn't prepared for like just a lot of the stuff that she said, because I felt like it was so crazy that I was like, this is not happening because I felt so gaslit.

Speaker 14 Um, where it's like, and then I'm saying things and it was just flipped around like it, like, oh, I've been scared and Jeremy. And I'm like, wait,

Speaker 14 how, how is this happening? I was in shock.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 14 To be honest, because I truly wanted to just wait. Because it's scary.
Like, again, I'm playing. I love Tom, but I knew I couldn't depend on Tom.
You think I'm going to be like, yo, Tom, like before

Speaker 14 you're, can I count on you? This ain't like survivor where you can freaking do that and like pull together the numbers. You can't.
Some, well, I guess Boss and Rob can.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 14 I can't. And so before that roundtable, first of all, all, there was not time.
So I had talked to Gabby and I talked to Dylan. Okay.

Speaker 14 That Lord, I knew Dolores was not like, I'm like, girl, she ain't going to vote for Danielle.

Speaker 14 Tom, I knew I couldn't depend on, but I figured he could at least read the room long enough to like understand like this is where the vote was going and like pick me.

Speaker 14 But I didn't think, I just didn't think I'd be out. I really didn't.
So we have a plan, Carolyn.

Speaker 14 I didn't freaking need one because I literally have been, and I didn't think of the chess crap as as like, whoa, I gave it all away. So, you know what I'm saying? I just, I was not, um,

Speaker 14 and again, like, girl, she's like, you photoshopped a picture of a, or you photoshopped your head on the body of a traitor. You think I can tell Lord Ivor

Speaker 14 or Dolores or anyone else there that like, hey, the season two cast, they're all wearing cloaks. Janelle wasn't a traitor, though.
I just used her body when I photoshopped my face on it.

Speaker 14 You know, I was embarrassed. I was like looking at Alan, like, oh my god, and she owns a cloak.
Yeah, I do, girl. I sleep in it.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I think they're just authentic. Like, that's how I read it.

Speaker 14 But it was just like, can you imagine? How am I supposed to? But it was so ridiculous, the stuff that I was like,

Speaker 14 I just remember looking at Alan and feeling so embarrassed because I'm like, yeah, I do sleep in a cloak, Alan.

Speaker 14 It was just, it was, yeah.

Speaker 15 Would you say that a lot of the distrust within the traders came from like Danielle playing games?

Speaker 14 Really? When I think about this, honestly, thankfully, Boston Rob did that. Otherwise,

Speaker 14 it kind of, well, no, then Dylan had obviously told me that Danielle's throwing my name out. And I found out.

Speaker 14 That started like the crazy, but I understand why he did that. But I don't care what anybody says.
Once somebody does that to you, it's really hard to like be like, all right, let's play,

Speaker 7 let's play together and like move on.

Speaker 14 She kept doing it too it's like so but then i know but like to the audience though they don't really hear it's like i've been trying but carolyn's unstable yeah i am unstable now well you've got reunion coming up yeah i'm excited i'm lying i'm lying and here's why things do hurt me but again i write about it i journal about it and then and i it was the same way on survivor where i had my meltdown it's like people don't realize that these games like it's a lot and i play as myself so things hurt.

Speaker 14 Okay.

Speaker 14 Things hurt. And I would like argue in my head, like,

Speaker 14 well, Carolyn, this is a part of your strategy. You're, you're, but it's like, yeah, but it's myself.

Speaker 14 And so when I see the side eyes and when I see, but it helps you in the game, it doesn't mean that it doesn't hurt my feelings. It doesn't mean that words don't hurt still.

Speaker 14 And again, it's like at the end of the day. At the end of like, what do I change? What do I got to change?

Speaker 14 Because if I might get far in the game, but if nobody is actually respecting you or taking you seriously, then what is the point? What's the point?

Speaker 14 So it's like, I don't like, what, what do, but I don't want to change. Good.

Speaker 7 I, oh, well.

Speaker 14 So I'm excited, but I'm, um,

Speaker 12 do you have things prepared that you want to hash out or nope? Nope.

Speaker 14 And you know what? And I said this. I said this before the traders.
I was like, because I do trip over my words. I am a, I have a slow processing speed.
I am somebody who needs a minute.

Speaker 14 And I get really triggered by people yelling at me.

Speaker 14 and i get really triggered by people talking down to me like you don't know my life and what like and that's the thing we don't know what people have been through before you and when you're talked to like that it's like girl so

Speaker 14 what was i saying like yeah this

Speaker 14 yeah it's hard so like going into this it's like oh i always i um so like for final travel at survivor i was like I'm just going to speak from my heart. It's like, when am I going to learn?

Speaker 14 But I don't really give a shit. Like, I'm not changing.

Speaker 14 And I said, I said, I was like, I wonder if I should take some debate classes before the traders and just like, cause I want to sound polished sometimes. I want to sound like Boston Rob sometimes.

Speaker 14 Yeah. But then I wouldn't be me, you know? Yeah.
So it's like, but like, so I guess I'll just like, like, cast me again and I'll make it tapes.

Speaker 7 Like, you know what I mean?

Speaker 14 Like, I don't know. I don't know what to do.
But like, yes, sometimes I wish that I. didn't react so emotionally.

Speaker 14 Sometimes I wish that, but again, at the end of the day, like, that's me and I couldn't, like, I can't turn that off. That's not a character, that's not a so, yeah, comments hurt.

Speaker 14 So, going into the reunion, I yeah, I guess I should have like, but yeah, once again, I'm not going to be prepared, and we'll see how it goes. But Boston Rob will defend me.

Speaker 12 Well, we absolutely loved watching you on Traders, and I think you should stay being authentically yourself.

Speaker 15 Yes, and please come back to Survivor, and I'll watch my first season with you on it.

Speaker 7 Thank you.

Speaker 12 Well, we're wishing you the best of luck for the reunion and we're back after.

Speaker 14 Yeah, I'm excited. I'm gonna look cute.
That's all I care about, to be honest.

Speaker 13 That's all that matters.

Speaker 7 I don't really the rest.

Speaker 14 Like, are we supposed to be?

Speaker 7 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 14 And I already know it's gonna be like that, where it's gonna be like, I don't want good. Let me be positive, but that's not entertaining, right?

Speaker 7 It is for us.

Speaker 15 I was gonna say, I love it. I love you.
So we love you.

Speaker 14 I just don't want to like.

Speaker 14 Again, this is like, I had my moment after the show watching it because I was like, oh but now i'm in a place where it's like i don't want to re like there's nothing that anyone is going to say i don't need to rehash this again and be like why'd you do i don't like i don't with her i don't not worth it i feel good and i really do feel like you know i i did my best and again it's not about that i'm not a gamer in that sense of like this was my move i don't give a shit and i don't care to like no

Speaker 14 smells like something in here but i don't know what

Speaker 14 what is it's those candles Why are they so big?

Speaker 7 What do you like? So big. God.

Speaker 7 Sonia, thank you.

Speaker 12 Thank you.

Speaker 7 Thank you guys for listening. Hope you enjoyed this episode.
Thank you to our guest, Carolyn and Taylor, for joining us today. Don't forget, no, Going Deeper tomorrow.
But there is one this Friday.

Speaker 7 We'll have one of the finalists from the Traders on this Friday for an awesome Going Deeper. You will be, it'll be exactly the person you hope it will be.
That's what I think. That's what I think.

Speaker 7 Tell me I'm wrong on Friday.

Speaker 7 That's this Friday. And again, we're back on Thursday's reality recap.
See you then. Bye.