E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets

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Lowe's Nose Pros. Like, i get it like they're like a one-off situation but like sometimes it really feels like there should be some sort of like consideration for like the actor and their career they do that sometimes that's kind of why jamie lee curtis won best supporting actor well then why not I mean, in no disrespect to our winner.
Mikey Madison? Yes. Anora was incredible.
She did some great accent work, but it is funny. What did you want Demi Moore to win for? The substance.
You watched? No. You're a big fan of body horror about Margaret Quarley crawling out of the back of Demi Moore's back? Guys, it's not about me.
It's about Demi. You know, I don't have to,

like the art's not for me.

I'm not a fan of body horror,

but like I'm a huge fan of Demi

and her career.

And I think it's an incredible story.

And she's someone who like

has taken a couple years off.

She's been some things here and there.

And for her to come out

and be in the substance

and like crush it.

And I've heard nothing but amazing things

from everyone who's seen the movie.

And I just would have loved her to win.

Her losing is kind of the plot

of the substance.

That's what I saw a tweet saying to me, more losing to Mikey is basically the plot of substance. Yeah.
It's younger actors being more lauded for work, whereas older women kind of get brushed over. But she did win the Golden Globe.
And the Oscars famously don't always make the right decision. The Golden Globe is kind of like, they took a couple years off.
It's like, it doesn't even award show anymore. I mean, Nikki brought it back in the best possible way.
No, they did Nikki bring it back, but then her comedic gold was solidified with Adam Sandler using her joke as the punchline for his bit. She won the Critics' Choice Award as well, and the Satellite Award, and she won the SAG.
So basically they're saying she doesn't deserve an Oscar because she has so many other awards at this point. Well, I'm not saying she wasn't...
Is this the people at the economy trying to be different? I think, well, I think Anora also, like, swept the Oscars. So it kind of, they do that sometimes.
Literally have never heard of the movie. It's an incredible movie.
What's it about? It's about. I saw an interview where she, there was like, there was not an intimacy coordinator.
There wasn't. It's a.
It's indie. But they both were like, it was like some intense sex scenes.
I guess if you both sign off of it and you're both like, hey, listen. How did Amelia Perez win anything after? Because people are stupid.
Because there's more than just one actor who made that movie. That's just one person who.
I thought it was the director, no? No, it was just the best song. It was the lead actor or something? There's a lot of criticisms about Amelia Perez outside of the Carla Sofia Gaslos sofia gascon oh of it all there's my only criticism is really like i just want to start hearing of more movies that are actually talked about at the oscars as opposed to like we know about wicked it does feel like it's the same like three movies that just like keep winning and keep talking about it and keep i mean wicked didn't really win that much that's what i'm saying it's even the more obscure you know it's just like I don't know Adrian Brody won another Oscar for essentially playing the same role that he won an Oscar for 20 years ago in between the 20 years we only seen him in like some random cameos he's had a very interesting career he was in succession a bit in succession he had a role as a bad guy in one of the seasons of Peaky Blinders.
I heard this is a... I can't substantiate this as fact.
But I heard that he was waiting to see if he won the Oscar before he would take any other roles. Well, some way to do it.
It sounds very Adrian Brody. He's got actor brain for sure.
He's very serious about himself. He did when he was going on stage to do a speech through his like gum to his girlfriend did you see that love he was like chewing he's like oh my god she caught it she was like i got he threw it see how did she feel about the kiss with hallie berry yeah haven't heard from her well wasn't it revenge how would you feel about it um i'd probably be like i don't really know what they're referring to like i don't remember this like iconic moment 22 years ago So I don't know if it was as iconic as I think.
I don't remember the moment. Can we bring it up? But irregardless, I'm assuming Adrian wasn't dating the same person.
So let's say 10 years ago, I'm in a different relationship. And then, I don't know.
Was Holly Berry married then? I don't know so like let's say if i were single if i were single 10 years ago and then my co-star i don't know what this let's say i kiss why are they kissing though i guess apparently he kissed her happening he kissed her out of kind of nowhere at the oscars a long time ago and she like kind of got him back the two first cross paths on stage at the 2003 oscars when barry presenteddy with the best actor statue at first performance in The Pianist. When Brody took to the stage to accept the award, he embraced Barry kissing her and remarking, I bet they didn't tell you that that was in the gift bag.
So he surprised her because he was so excited about winning the award and like laid one on her. And then Hallie repaid the gesture on the carpet.
How pissed would you be if like 10 years ago, someone who I worked with in the past.

Yeah. And it's also maybe arguably the most beautiful woman ever in the world.
She's literally so perfect. Yeah, I would probably, we would probably have maybe a little bit of a fight later on.
You think it would be like a quiet ride home?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, definitely.

I'm like, legs are shifted towards the door and window.

I'm looking at the window.

The body like it would be body.

But what if Nick also won an Oscar that night?

Congrats.

But like, what does that do for me?

It's Halle Berry though.

That's a flex for you.

Yeah.

Like Halle Berry kissed my husband.

But they already kissed 10 years ago.

So it's like still a flex for me because like my boyfriend.

But he kissed her 20 years ago.

Thank you. Yeah.
Like Halle Berry kissed my husband. But they already kissed 10 years ago, so it's like still a flex for me because like my boyfriend.

But he kissed her 20 years ago.

I mean, I feel like I would still regardless

be like, hey, I feel like maybe no.

I don't know.

It does feel a little like, oh, okay, I guess.

Maybe if he like told her like,

hey, are you cool with this?

Like me and Halle are planning on like recreating this moment. Later in the night, he throws her his gum.
And then gives a five minute and 40 second speech. It wasn't like, hey babe, when your loving partner sticks out their hand like this, and she says, babe, you need to spit out your gum.
It wasn't like that. He'd like fucking, woman, take the gum.
Did he say anything about her in his five minute long speech? Yeah. Did he say something about how? I don't remember, but he did break a Guinness world record for the longest speech.
Were they playing the music over him? Yes. And he said, I've been here before.
Stop. Do you ever see a SNL appearance? Yes, I have.
Where he does a Jamaican accent to introduce a band that was not planned. It was not planned.
He don't think he's invited back. He hasn't been, but it's a rumor they got banned.
They don't ban anyone because they don't care. I do have a little Oscar T, our babysitter, also an elite socialite, got to go to all the Oscar parties last night.
She was running late this morning. She was like, I just got home.
Oh, I'm sorry. Okay, can't wait to leave you in the hands of...
Everyone's got enough time right now. She is our babysitter and also besties with A-listers.
Turns out, I guess there's also an elite Hollywood party that people go to. I forgot his last name.
She said his name's Guy or something. Guy Pearce? No.
Guy Ritchie. Guy Fieri.
It's not an actor's name. Guy Fieri is where everyone's going.
I've never heard of this person's name. There may be some hot shop producer.
Apparently he used to be married to Madonna. Oh, okay.
Guy Ritchie. That's Guy Ritchie.
Guy Ritchie. No, I would have known Guy Ritchie.
Maybe it's Guy Ritchie. She could have got his last name wrong.
I don't know. There's a guy named Guy.
Okay. He throws cool Oscar parties.
And word on the street is Miles Teller. Excellent dancer.
Oh. Like shut down the dance floor.
He was in Footloose. Miles Teller? He was in Footloose.
Was he? Oh my gosh. The 2011 Footloose.
Throwback. Well, there you go.
No, the Kevin Bacon original. Miles Teller strikes me as a guy who like, I feel like a lot of like actors in Hollywood, like just generally theater kids, maybe it's a stereotype, but like they grew into themselves in adult life and they really got cool after they became celebrities.

And I feel like Miles Teller has a little bit of like, he was always a little cool.

He was cool in the gorge.

I haven't seen, is it good?

It's the gorge.

It's fun.

Okay, it's fun.

He was in Divergent.

He was in Divergent.

He danced in the gorge.

Apparently he's got some moose and I would like to dance with him.

Toe to toe.

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Reality Recap is Thursday, as always. Well, we were out of town this past weekend, and I got a pinched nerve in my back terrible awful i've never had one before it was the worst thing i've ever

experienced and it's because you're getting closer to 30 yeah i'm getting closer to 30 i'm getting

old everybody i'm getting old um yikes so no it's because we didn't bring a crib for river so she

slept in the bed with us and she sleeps like a crazy person. Like, no, literally spread starfish, like legs up, legs down, head to the back.
It's the crazy. Yeah.
So I had, and I'm not exaggerating, maybe three inches of space on that bed. And the entire night I'm like straining to not fall off the bed.
You know, so like tightening every muscle to like stay on the bed that is me most nights by the way i was gonna say it sounds like great no i look over at nick and he's like he has he is so he forgets that it's a king-size bed and he could be on the complete other side and i wouldn't even know he's there but no he's right up under me as well so the next morning i am like bending down to to get River or changing her diaper, doing something like and I twist and it's over for me.

So then I tell Nick, I'm like, I've I've pinched a nerve in my back, like seriously.

And River keeps I keep having to like bend down to pick River up.

And he's like, well, first of all, you shouldn't be bending.

You should be squatting.

Like, are you fucking kidding?

Technique.

Are you kidding right now?

I mean, bad back.

He's like, you know, number one, you squat and i'm like sure but this is this has nothing to do with my form right now like this was because of our sleeping arrangement well maybe also also i love that there's a tip not a i got it no yeah not like oh my gosh i'm so sorry honey what happened it's like Man-spl was mansplaining back. Man helping as well.
Gotta start squatting. You cannot bend.
Rule number one. Don't do that.
It's helpful. Then she punched me.
Yeah. Yeah.
Fair. We saw a very famous person.
I'm not going to say who because I want to. It was very cool.
It was cooler than Meg Ryan. Doesn't matter.
And they checked out River. And this very famous person looked at our beautiful daughter and kind of went, hmm.
And then we were at a restaurant that served both. It was a Sunday morning lunch.
I don't know. Sunday lunch.
We went and got lunch. And then in this particular place serves lunch.
They also have a breakfast buffet of some sorts. brunch yeah is that what you're kind of he's being so weird you keep saying they served lunch but they also served a buffet it was a brunch yes there's a brunch buffet it's a me thing i don't this is like i'm maybe i'm alone here and i as someone who grew up in a large family yes we went to have you are you guys Old Country Buffet? What about Hometown Buffet? I'm not familiar with, but I imagine it's the same thing.
There was also the Ponderosa Buffet, just buffets in general. We frequented them as children growing up.
As an adult, I will say one of the very few things I really appreciate and the privileges that I enjoy the most is the ability to like level up when it comes to like quality of food.

And I just like I'm of the opinion and maybe I'm alone that if you like go to a restaurant that serves like individual meals and you can like order off the menu and just get like your own dinner. I don't know who in their right mind would opt for the community food that's been sitting out for hours.
And several, I don't know how many people have been scooping out of the same fucking food. But this A-list celebrity with, I can only imagine what their wealth may be, opted for the buffet.
And I was really like, wow, they're really just like us. Not me, for sure.
I was like, ew, disgusting. Oh my God.
How could they? Were you considering like, are they going through a tough time financially? It raised a lot of questions. I was like, oh my God, what are they doing? Maybe they just always appreciate a good deal.
A selection. Maybe so.
Yes. I mean, again, this is my snobby side coming out.
But who? you at a fancy restaurant yes buffets are amazing i love buffets god really also i love a buffet it is the era of charcuterie so some people like to snack on the options versus getting one of the same thing there's nothing gross to you about like just you know i don't know mashed potatoes half gone who knows how long it's been out under a lamp. Nick, you're talking to people who eat Whole Foods hot bar for lunch consistently.
I guess, right? I mean, I really am alone. There's a whole like half the city is hot girls go to Air One and pay $30 for orange chicken.
That's true. That's been sitting out there.
I just find it to be fucking appalling and disgusting. I do think it's one thing to like, Yeah, go to like get a lunch at an Air One Or a Whole Foods and do like the hot bar But if you're at a restaurant that serves you Like you have your own You have a waiter You can order a burger No, I feel that way about Van Belt Sushi, like I love going to the sushi Places that do that, but I only order From Fresh from the kitchen You're the issue there No my god like go to a different restaurant But it's still good sushi I just don't Want to pick it off because I don't know how many times it's Gone around the entire restaurant Touched it opened it It needs to be fresh and warm and hot It needs to be like I want It right out of whatever it's a hot Salad whatever it's meant to be That's what I want it to be if it's meant to be ice like, I want it right out of whatever it's.
He wants a hot salad. Whatever it's meant to be, that's what I want it to be.
Okay. If it's meant to be ice cold, I want it fucking ice cold.
Like, oh God, nothing worse than a shrimp cocktail. Thank you.
That's like, that's a little like melted. Oh my God, I'll lose my fucking mind.
A little gooey. The amount of times he's like, I'm going to order a shrimp cocktail and then as soon as it hits the table, he's like, this is not going to be good.
This is slimy. I won't eat it.
This is not cold enough. And they'll be like four uneaten shrimp with like one bite.
And they're like, oh, you don't like it? No, it's totally great. Like, it's fine.
I won't send it back. I won't.
Like, that's a me problem. I recognize my...
Psychosis? Yeah. I was going to say peccadillos, but like, whatever.
You are the pickiest eater. I'm surprised you don't argue or you don't confront the waiters when it's wrong.
It's a me problem. Yeah.
I would say peccadilloes, but like, whatever. You are the pickiest eater.
I'm surprised you don't argue or not. You don't confront the waiters when it's wrong.
It's a me problem. Yeah.
I mean, like, I'm not so arrogant that I would expect an entire restaurant to like change how they do things. Okay.
And I'm not a chef. I mean, I like to cook, but like, who am I to be like, can I, can I talk to the chef, please? And like critique their shrimp cocktail.
But what if they accidentally put mayonnaise on whatever you ordered? Are you sending it back? I will very gently and pol to be like, can I talk to the Chef please and critique their shrimp cocktail But what if they accidentally put mayonnaise on whatever You ordered? I will very gently and politely say Again, I'm crazy And I must not have asked for it Five times Plain, plain, just lettuce Please don't spit on my food I'll always ask him not to spit on my food. But I'm very gentle.

But if it's just a how they did it,

I guess I'll never come back.

Still need to figure out this

Shake Shack in first class

of whether or not he gets a plain burger

or the sauce on the side.

I'll let you know on Wednesday.

Okay.

First class?

You had the ops. The ops i can't are you staying behind so this is i have to fly to dc exactly if i don't know he upgrades to first and i'm not i did not get upgraded that's i'm i'm you requested youtube's paying for me to fly to dc and teach people how to do the internet i guess hell yeah.
Congrats. To teach people how to secure their own first class seats.
Yeah. Get a deal with YouTube.
Sorry, Natalie. No, she could have...
She could have come. She could have came.
But we've been obviously traveling so much. We've been going and going and going.
And I am representing the family. Once again.
And thank God for it. Once again.
We have an amazing episode lined up for you the one and only truly one and only carolyn from traders is with us as well as taylor green from southern charm they are both with us this episode it's wild wacky and fun carolyn wild stuff so we recorded the carolyn bit last week uh we did go of town. And basically last week at some time, the day we were leaving town, a member of the household here, Zach, has some connections with the Survivor franchise.
Carolyn famously has been part of that franchise. And so we were there some back and forth.
We were trying to get Carolyn on. She wasn't like in the right space at that point to do the interview.
And then like the day of when we were flying out, Carolyn was flying to LA and then we found out that Carolyn decided that she wanted to come on the show. And there was like a 10 minute window between like when I had to go to the airport and when Carolyn was like, you know, we had Zach go pick her up at the airport and try to get her in.
So that's later this episode. I had like 10 minutes to talk with Carolyn.
And then Justin and Sierra graciously finished that interview. So that is later this episode.
She is, she's something. Oh, yeah.
She's a character and I adore her. I can see why she did very well.
Because you really don't know if she's doing a bit or. What's going to come out of her mouth next.
Or what's going to come out of her mouth next or what's going to come out of her mouth next it's it she really keeps you on your toes it's a wild and wacky fun interview and again we have taylor on speaking of thinking it was a bit uh it's it's come to our attention uh a couple weeks ago we pointed out that uh we were surprised you know obviously you guys know where we land in the justin and blake situation yada yada uh and a lot of like big names people have like haven't really most people just haven't spoken up about it but like a lot of like the bigger names in hollywood haven't but like whitney cummings was someone who i thought was team justin because like i saw something on x of her saying that blake and ryan were the most like ob obnoxious people in Hollywood. It's come to my attention

by people close to the situation.

Sources. Sources say

that apparently she is

Team Blake and not Team Justin

and that the video that I saw, I guess, was a bit?

I don't know. Didn't seem like a bit

to me, but art is

subjective.

But good to know that

Whitney Cummings is on Team Blake. We we were wrong.
We have another person on our side. We have one other person on our side.
So that's good to know. I harshly said that Whitney would be embarrassed when she realizes what the truth.
Well, what I think is the truth. But it turns out she already is.
So our bad. Our bad.
My bad. You're bad.
I mean, I stand by what I said. I don't really have a soul.
So here it is. Soulless Mary.
Soulless me. Yeah.
Do you want to say why? No. No.
Do you have a reason? I'll leave it up for interpretation. Yeah.
Okay. Okay.
Okay. Okay.
Moving on. Anyways, Whitney, I personally am sorry for not realizing it was a bit and glad to have at least one other person on our side.
Did you watch the Ruby Frankie documentary? Oh my God, no, but I want to really bad. You need to.
You need to. Especially like you and I, Natalie, grew up in the era of like family vloggers.
And like eight passengers was the thing back in the day. So to see like it unfold from their perspective is wild.
It is crazy. I never like I'd never heard of them of them obviously like I know of so many other family vloggers um but it's like watching I saw some clips from the documentary and watching some of these clips it just shows you like honestly what I feel like to be the truth of behind the scenes of every single one of these family vloggers who like make their children perform for the camera like i.e ruby being like who are you named after to her son and he's like my grandpa and she's like you say it with more like enthusiasm be happier when you say it and he's like i'm just not happy right now and she's like well you better act like you are you know and it's like we're not gonna do this if you're not and then she's like my grandpa she's like thank you you know it's just crazy how and i feel like that's every single family vlogger who has their kids doing a bit or dancing or whatever the hell it may be it's so sad yeah i mean i'm like interested to watch obviously i think she's in prison for how long i want to say it was 30 years but i might be wrong with that but basically the daughter, Sherry, was like, I hope she's not out until the kids are 18 or over.
No, she's a monster. Yeah.
But it is interesting, to your point, Natalie, that in the documentary, the family surrendered over thousands of hours of footage that was never seen. So you see all of the moments of her scolding them.
Her being like, oh, well, I'll just cut this out whenever I edit it on YouTube. It reminds me so much of that.
I don't even remember who. And I think I might have talked about this before, but I don't remember who the YouTuber was.
But it was like her and her maybe like six year old son. And she's like talking about how her dog had died.
Yeah. And she's like, we have to make a thumbnail.
Cry. Cry.
And she's like, put your hand over your eyes like you're crying. And he's like, I don't want to.
He's like, I am am crying or something. And she's like, no, but like, make it look.
Make it look like you're actually crying. I mean, it's just this.
It's so sad. Before YouTube, though, like child actors, we've all heard all the horrific stories about Hollywood and child actors.
And obviously, there's a lot of bad actors in Hollywood in terms of people who parents, good parents, thought their kids were safe and they weren't. But there's also a lot of parents out there who thrusted their kids into this space, pushed them into it, and kind of were like dance moms.
Our entire life depends on your success, so be successful. Yeah.
I quit my job to move to LA to make sure that you're an actor at seven because you know what you want at seven. Yeah.
It's tough. Yeah.
It's disheartening because I feel like there have been so many protections that have been created for child actors. And now with social media and the way like family influencers work, it's like that centralization of at least there are some people looking to protect.
It kind of takes that out. yeah they'll make changes and like you're right those wrongs i'm also like i don't know that exploitation isn't exploitation just because you have an account for your kid making money doing it like you know what i mean like i feel like it's like one of those things where it's like there's a lot of saying like where it's like well it's a business and like we're preparing our kid because we have an account for them but at the same time it's like free will like if i don't if the kid doesn't want to film does the kid not get to film yeah also to be clear like this this story i mean her abuse was far beyond making her kids like record something they weren't in the mood to record it was like real terror terrible horrific yeah but seeing even the clip of like where she's trying to get the son to say like how happy he is about being renamed but then she's screaming at the kids in the background it's like if you don't shut don't shut up, and it's just like, the fact that you could rewatch this, editing these videos, and be like, I'm not a monster, is crazy.
Most monsters don't see themselves as. Don't see themselves as monsters.
The beautiful part of the story is that the dad, like, the ending of it brought the dad and the family back together, so. That's good.
Did the dad, and this might be like a spoiler, but like, did the dad ever go against his wife ruby at any point where's the dad in all this he was essentially brainwashed and like if you want when you watch it like jody who is the religious person that radicalized ruby she like pushed him out of the picture and like made him feel like if you don't leave then you're gonna like you're gonna ruin your family so he basically made him isolate himself he didn't talk to friends family anybody the older two siblings got kicked out too it's a whole thing that's so you i i don't know anything about that because how's that not a weak man he didn't know any of it like when you watch it that was him whenever she was like get out of this room he was like come on kids your mom's trying to work or something but you know like how do you how do you how do you not know i think watch it before you judge it because he even said like he regrets like one of his biggest regrets was when he left he was the last line of defense for the children i hear you and i'm sure he has regrets and i hope at a minimum he has regrets but how do you he's weak he'll probably agree with you yeah he was brainwashed by the situation that's a that's a weak person and like yeah we all have regrets and there's a lot of moments in our lives where we like reflect back and go i could have said something i should have stood up i could have made i don't know your own kids there should have been someone there your kids are you fucking i mean well dylan effron thinks showers are overrated what is with hot you know i've seen this before with super hot people friend uh dean ugler also uh you may know him another very beautiful man sometimes you just look at dean and go wow god really took more time on you and and i think dean was is was i don't know i haven't seen dean in person in a while so hot that like he would be like i don't shower much and i don't know if it was like are was like, are you trying to be a little more grimy

because you're so pretty?

You think Dylan's trying to be a little bit more grimy

because he's so pretty?

Who doesn't want to shower?

He said he was asked,

he was playing some little game

and he was asked about something he finds overrated

and Dylan Efron said,

I think people shower too much.

We take way too many showers.

I go in the pool a lot.

There's chlorine. It's killing everything.
We don't need to soap our bodies every time we're in the shower either first of all there's a couple of flaws in that statement he's opting for chlorine on his body then soap is if soap is some sort of like unnecessary product to put on his skin like no let's just douse myself in chemicals like that's the go-to is he also is he using soap in in the pool or is it again just he's relying on the chemicals and like what is so inconvenient about a hot steamy warm shower no one's expect you to go in there for 20 or 30 minutes it's like rinse the fuck off and rub like you know pit pit groin it's the difference between the people who think camping is fun and the people who don't like i don't find anything fun sleeping on i think campy's fun but i love a shower i mean he also did love all the bugs all over him and like touching all the bugs and traders so have you seen his instagram like it's like some of the things where it's like even if you wanted to picture the idea of it's like homeboys like on a ledge or like on in between mountains hanging off of like a rope and it's just like have dylan and rob from love island gotten together have dylan and Rob from oh no I feel like I thought you were talking about Boston Rob for a second very beautiful people catching snakes you know really outdoorsy boys like love to get in the mud you know like 100% that's why I said Dylan needs like a girl that wants to like hike 10 miles to get proposed to that could never so pretty ironically don't like showers. I just got the pool.

I think the pretty and shower thing, I think my theory

on this, and I do feel like

this would be substantiated with science,

is that if they do take a shower, they would be less hot.

Maybe that's what's happening there.

To Nick's point, though, it's always the people with clear,

perfect skin that don't wash their face.

100%.

Well, we had Vanita on

last week to kind of clear up

some of the JT and her

rumors, and then we have this episode Thank you. 100%.
Yeah. Well, we had Vanita on last week to kind of clear up some of the JT and her rumors.

And then we have this episode of Southern Charm that came out where we see a little like moment that was described differently by the both of them.

And Vanita took to her Instagram to say, let me make something very clear.

And she kind of like calls out the editors for rearranging these like scenes and making it seem like she is a homewrecker, she says. Why do they rearrange? She said that the dinner JT and I had after I made a Branzino was after the Bahamas, as y'all as an audience saw it before.
So this week's episode is now making me look like I'm a homewrecker when I'm not. I know what I signed up for, but I also will the world to think that i'm the woman that i'm when i'm not make sure you add this screenshot to all of the reddit threads so like the you know because the part where she goes up to his door and he's like no camera he's like wait i have a girlfriend she feels like the editing made it seem like she knew that and she's like showing up to his hotel room right in the middle of the night for like a and that's the story that she told us where she was like straddling him being like, you can't tell me you want this, you don't want this too.
And he was like, no, I'm kind of seeing someone. And then the confirmation was that dinner, but they put it out of order to make, yeah, Vanita look crazy.
JT's the worst. That's so dirty.
He's so shmarmy. He is the definition of shmarmy.
I don't even know what the definition is, but he is it. It's JT in the dictionary.
Well, that's not JT's fault. That's the editors where she's like, they clearly reordered.
No, no, no, no, no, no. Like editors, like especially since they rearranged scenes, like obviously they, like what's the reason why, right? They have to tell a story.
But they told a story that didn't exist. That's where she's saying like.
That happens all the time in reality TV. And sometimes they're not even that serious.
Like on Special Forces when I was there, like they rearranged like when i got hypothermia and when i didn't me personally i was like oh it doesn't make sense the viewer doesn't give a shit but like that was more like bodie's episode and i think just storytelling around bodie and him going about her being called a homewrecker so it's a little bit more like yeah but for someone working in editing they don't go fuck like it's it's all they're just editing what's i'm saying they're telling a story it wasn't jt's fault this specific instance she's like they painted it in a way that storyline then said i was a homework i think jt seems to be have a little bit more pull and like the fact that he said no cameras i'm just saying it's not impossible that like he got his way and vanita didn't like why did they do that what was his way just not having cameras in the room making it seem like you know vanita is like telling this version of the story that he kind of hid the fact that he had a girlfriend from her and like leaned into this friendship slash like situationship are they aren't they gonna is something gonna happen like she had no idea and then all of a sudden like she shows up on camera if i you know he has a girlfriend he's like immediately like oh shit clearly it gave to me he's been like doing shit with vanita like in a certain way telling one version to his girlfriend telling another version of producers and vanita and like when she showed up like that like yeah they if this is how it was edited it paints her in a shitty light where then he can go back to his girlfriend and been like i fuck she just showed up my fucking door you know it also looks weird too because it's like then jt after vanita comes to his door the night before goes and has one talk with madison and like books a flight and leaves so it also kind of like gives the illusion that something might have happened in that hotel room for him to have to leave well i think he probably left because everyone fucking hates him that too he was like i'm not and remember sally was like i am not getting on that fucking boat tomorrow if jt's there i'm just saying if you're watching a show and your boyfriend has a girl that's interested in him come to the hotel door and then say no cameras and then goes into the door and that's the end of the scene what is is that insinuating? That's true. I would have some questions for sure.

Well, did you see also in an

interview Dolores said that Dorit was

Sutton's Hannibal Lecter? Which I don't

get the Hannibal Lecter reference, but I'll read you what she said.

So basically she said, Sutton,

take several seats. You're not going to beat her.

You're dealing with a different animal, Sutton, and it's out of

your league. So you can be mad,

but you better reel it in real fucking quick.

Sutton, you're no match. I kind of

agree with Dolores here. You think that

Dorit is giving Hannibal Lecter level

Thank you. league so you can be mad but you better reel it in real fucking quick sutton you're no match i kind of agree with dolores here you think that dorit is giving hannibal lecter level no i don't i mean like i don't know about the analogy but like it's just more like you're kryptonite you can't beat this person in this particular match i understand like dorit's going through a divorce she kind of is like you know what's the common phrase like don't pick a fight with someone who has nothing to lose yep you know Dorit is giving like I don't give a fuck anymore my life's crumbling around me like my relationships are all in flux like fuck it playing nice and trying to be everyone's friend only got her bullied you know with from her cast so like if you're Dorit like who gives a fuck and like when Dorit says things like if I go down a harder level I'll eviscerate her like you know Dorit like believes in that because Dorit absolutely thinks Sutton has a drinking problem and like listen I'm not an expert but when Sutton goes on podcasts and start talking about like her like waking up at 10 and then like drinking throughout the day every day like I don't know that's giving you know high consumption and like yeah like she probably could go pretty fucking low and I'm guessing if she does often show up and inebriated there maybe have been moments that like quite honestly didn't make the cutting room floor and things like that and i bet like dorit is is fully like stocked up on like insults she has chosen not to share you know and i think it's one of those things where like sutton doesn't recognize her problem doesn't see her problem and clearly it's a very triggering topic for her and it seems like Sutton doesn't recognize her problem, doesn't see her problem.
And clearly it's a very triggering topic for her.

And it seems like Sutton, Garcelle,

and some of these other women on her cast just have been so used to getting away

with like punching down Dorit.

And it sure feels-

Do you not feel like Dorit is like constantly

kind of like nagging at Sutton to like get a reaction?

Yeah.

That's very Hannibal Lecter. I think there's a difference between like housewives bickering in a way and like, which we love.
We're really getting into the season. I think this season really is delivered.
We're getting into some real personal shit that is triggering for these ladies. And it just seems like, again, Dorit's life is being exposed.
You know, everyone, like we're talking about our divorce. We're speculating on what PK is doing.
Like, it's a major storyline of the season. And Sutton refuses to even suggest anything about her.
You know what I'm saying? Like, the rules for Sutton, don't fucking go there. Don't do that.
Meanwhile, Dorit's life is on full display. Dorit has nothing to lose.
So I get, it makes a lot of sense. It's kind of like, keep picking a fight with this person who really doesn't give a fuck and yeah she's poking the bear she's poking the bear but like i don't know no dorit and son have years of of conflict to go off of so i think that's kind of also what dorit's saying too is that it's like don't force me to go to a place that we can't come back from because if i get there with you and she's not making it any easier so that's what i'm saying neither.
Neither one of them are really trying to like bury the hatchet. So it's just like if it's one more dig after one more day, one more failed event, then like and I've never seen Dorit get as angry as she's gotten this season.
Yeah. So I'm like, I actually am a little interested and scared to see what else could possibly be coming out of Dorit.
Dorit's in her house with the gals over talking about her son, like, you know, asking if her and dad are going to get a divorce. And whether it was a producer or Sutton came up with it on her own, Sutton, like, dismissed her and, like, didn't give a fuck.
And, like, when Sutton is dismissive, she can be incredibly dismissive. And then she puts her down about her, like, finances and things like that.
So Sutton came out and said a producer told her to interrupt? Because she was talking too long and they were like, we need to go. Like, we need to get in the van.
We need to go to the next place. So she was told, like, can you, like, wrap her up? But of course they would ask Sutton instead of asking Bo's, you know, to like.
But yeah, but if that's the case, Sutton could easily just be like, hey, listen, I'm really sorry about that. That wasn't rude.
No. The clip, she's literally like, I'm sorry.
We have to go. Like, I'm sorry.
That's not a, no. That's a dismissive, I'm sorry.
Fuck you. You don'm sorry that's not a no that that's a dismissive i'm sorry fuck you you don't matter it wasn't like that hey listen i i know what divorce is life i mean i don't know something seems like she's loved divorce she or it could have been like uh hey like i really want to hear all about this in the van but we have to like get on the road i imagine dorit was on minute 30 and they were like okay like where's the chance to like segue and.
I do feel like Jindoree talks a lot. She's long-minded.
Yeah. There's a lot of people who think they're better than other people.
And sometimes they are. But Sutton's I'm better than you.
A lot of it seems to come from her wealth. And her wealth isn't any, like it doesn't come from her.
And I think it's just a bit eye-rolly when your whole, like your biggest flex is something that like you married into.

And then when you put people down for like not being in that position,

it's just kind of.

Okay.

She's definitely playing messy and she's definitely like really dirty.

And I'm,

I would love to see the other women at least not even,

they don't even have to stand up for Doreen,

but they can at least just be like Sutton.

Like that was way too far. Not cool.
It's interesting. Cause's interesting because like Garcelle like you know really close with Sutton Garcelle I mean you know it's just a level of privilege with all these women but like you know Garcelle has busted her ass really worked up built her own empire really worked for this beach house which is beautiful and obviously I'm sure very expensive but like It sure seems like garcelle has to hustle in a way that sutton doesn't and i and i would be it would be interesting to see i'm curious how garcelle felt about that comment knowing that like she has to like hustle in ways that like sutton the way sutton spoke you it would almost it was a shot at anyone i feel like i guess what i'm saying is Garcelle's financial situation might be more in line with Dorit's rather than Sutton's and which is which is like probably like super privileged but maybe not like making a half a million dollars a month.
Garcelle hates Dorit too so I'm sure she was like touche. Yeah I think she hates Dorit but she could hate Dorit and still feel like a certain way about like Sutton's comments sometimes your friends say something and like it not meant towards you, but you're like, well, what do they think about me

then? I don't know. I'm just excited

for Dorit's moment where she

gets to say, I'm going to cut out

Sutton's tongue and eat it with a nice Chianti

if she's Hannibal Lecter.

Yep.

Can we get into some Love is Blind? Love is Blind.

I stand by it. So do I.

That's crazy.

I know. What do you...
No. When we were

watching it, you were like, okay.

I think...

Thank you. stand by it.
So do I. That's crazy.
I know. What do you, I know you, when we were watching it, you were like, okay, I think I've, I don't switch up now.
I'm not switching up. I want to, I, two things can be true at the same time.
I, I don't think Lauren did anything wrong to be clear. I don't, I don't think she did anything wrong in the court of like, I don't know, like she had the right to do whatever she wants.
I do think also Dave scapegoated this situation in some ways. I think Dave scapegoated his family.
I think he constantly blamed it on his sister, my sister this, my friends this, my sister this. When like a lot of times he was, there were times where he was like kind of trying to tell Lauren the truth.
you know there was that time where he he went to Lauren and said, well, if my family really wanted to come, they would show up for me. And then all of a sudden it was like, but like they don't want to come.
So like, OK, Dave, like clearly you told them not to come. I just think like, again, like when you find out like Lauren finally admitted that she like had sex with this guy like a week before.
Two weeks. Two weeks, a week, whatever.
It doesn't't matter i don't care if you're a man or a woman gay straight non-binary trans it doesn't matter like i just think there's a difference between sex positivity and like fact that like sex has consequences and you can pretend they don't have consequences all you want but like all people feel a certain way about sex and it fucks with your feelings. And I think this is a classic case of just because your feelings got hurt doesn't mean the other person did anything wrong.
You know, like I think Lauren feels judged. I think she feels hurt by the situation.
But like, listen, like I think if anyone showed up for this, this crazy experience and like, keep in mind, these people are getting engaged and then they get married and yes, they know what they signed up for or, but like for any two people to join this experiment and end up in marriage, everything has to line up. Everything has to work out.
Like you really are taking a huge leap of faith. And even when you say I do, you know, little about someone.
So like whether she did anything wrong or not, him finding this out is something that is gonna really potentially rattle his cages. I wish he would just own it, say it with his chest and just be like, listen, I don't know.
Like I just wasn't expecting this. And like, I can't get, I can't say I do with like this information.
See, that's the thing. He's not doing that.
And he's blaming his his friends and his sister of this like well they're they keep bringing me like new rumors and they like don't want me to marry someone who had a boyfriend so recently and my sister doesn't approve of this and like my friends won't and it's and it's getting to the point where it's like you are choosing to believe your friends over your fiancee in a in a place where like at some point you have to say like and clearly he just didn't want to do this because he just didn't want to marry her but but it's like he didn't even want to be like okay like i hear my like he couldn't go to his friends and be like guys like no but like the reason like i think if you like using our like our ethnic language but like it takes time to build an emotional connection like couples who like get through shit or like adversity of any kind it's because there's a foundation there's like a rapport there these people don't have any of that right they don't have a foundation of trust they haven't been through anything together so like she lauren did what she did she had the right to do whatever she wanted but like you know but that's the point is this other guy maybe he's a you know a clout chaser say whatever you want about him but like clearly he felt a certain way about lauren and when she got out of the bubble like reached out to her being like hey are you with someone are you to keep it going. He liked her.
He, he felt a certain way about her. So for her to be like, it's meaningless, it's nothing maybe to her, but like she got herself, she made choices.
She got herself in a situation. Sex has consequences, whether you like it or not, whether you're positive about sex or not, like it affects people's feelings.
And like, he handled it poorly. And I think he's kind of weak sauce for like blaming his sister and blaming his family but i i still don't fault

him for like not being able to just dismiss all his friends or like and yeah i think he was weak

about it but like marriage i think it would be foolish for anyone in his shoes to say i do to

someone who was just like oh yeah by the way i did have a hookup after they got engaged to like

You can see that. but like marriage, I think it would be foolish for anyone in his shoes to say, I do to someone who was just like, Oh yeah, by the way, I did have a hookup after they got engaged to like details of the story came out after his friends brought this up.
Well, that's his problem. It's his fault for not asking more questions in the pods because she, he did say like, how long ago were you with someone? And she told him.
And if he didn't want to ask more questions and get more out of her, he wanted to like wait until his friends filled his ears with stuff. That's his own fault.
It's not about fault. Like, again, this is not like he didn't want to ask more questions and get more out of her he wanted to like wait until his friends filled his ears with stuff that's his own fault like again this is not like he didn't want to marry her like that's not a crime that's clear fine but like i think for anyone to act like and again i don't care if it's a man woman i don't care about your sexuality like people hooking up like people have a certain feeling about it it's a it's a it's one of the most intimate connections two people can have.
But then it clearly wasn't that big of a thing because later on when they all meet up at this party and Molly talks to him and she's kind of like, what the fuck? Why did you do this? Why didn't you do that? And he goes back to talk to Lauren and is kind of like, I want to try things with you. Yeah, I mean, listen again.
So how is it such a big problem before and now it's not? To quote Gabby, they always come back. They always do.
Listen, I'm not saying like Dave is right. I'm just saying my feelings about Lauren's choices.
Is it possible that he just wants to have his cake and eat it too? That like he doesn't want to get married to the but he does actually really like her and have feelings for her so he's freaked out about the marriage so he made it about this thing but actually would like to date her outside in real life i think it has nothing i think it has nothing to do with your take i think your take is your take because it's you and it's who you are i think dave's take is because he didn't want to marry her and i think he's going to listen to this and i think he's going to use everything you say at the reunion like i don't think he's thinking this way at fucking all i don't think it's really bothering him i don't think it's really i just think he was trying to get out of this marriage and i think he tried to get on a show he promised his sister he would never take it this far and he never thought he would get that far now that he is that far he's panicking because everyone's like what the fuck are you doing currently engaged and he's telling his and he's telling his sister like yeah we're not together where it's it broken off. And that's just because it's Dave or because you don't think there's any way that if you guys are making, well, if he really loved her, he would marry her.
It's just like he barely knows her. But we're not saying that at all.
We're saying that if it was just about the sex or the fact that she hooked up with somebody right before this, nothing that Molly should have been able to say should have made him be like, you know what? Maybe I made a mistake and I should retry this relationship. Like, because the facts are still the facts.
She still slept with them no matter what Molly said to him. But now you just don't have to get married to her in a week.
You're right. You have, that is, if he really liked her and like this was fucking him up and he was like, listen, I just can't marry you in two weeks with this going in my head, but I really like you and like i don't really care about the sex it's just like this really i don't know threw me off because it wasn't what i yes he didn't do that he did not handle it well at all i think i'm making this point just because it's like clearly we're looking at these genders and i think if it was flipped around it would be in like you remember you probably you don't but i I don't know.
Did you watch Hannah Brown season? Yeah. You remember Jed at the end of the season? And he had like the girlfriend and the girl waiting by the decks.
And I don't know if they were hooking up or not. But like his version is it wasn't that serious.
And her version was it was it was exactly exactly the same flipped around. And Bachelor Nation crucified him.
Lost their shit. How dare him? How dare he have some blah, blah, blah, this thing.
And he was just like, he had this girl, he was hooked. I don't know what was going on.
Now she's married to Hannah Brown's brother. So I forget about that.
That's the best part. But like, there was some sort of history going on there.
And like, he went on a show, forgot she existed. You know, when you're in the outside world, she's like, I guess in six weeks.
And then like, he found himself engaged in a relationship kind of unexpected didn't handle it that well and then like was crucified for it and now like now it's the exact same situation but reversed different show and like all i'm saying it's like you you have either a problem with it or you don't i don't so you didn't have a problem with jett uh no a problem with Windmill Guy. Peter.
Whichever one that was like super precious about the idea of her like sleeping with somebody else and she was like... Oh, that was part...
The blonde guy. Yeah.
He was all to the villain. Yeah, but that was the only one.
But at the time, you thought Jed was being treated unfairly? Oh, I can't put myself back there. I did not care about Jed.
All I cared about was when she was literally like, how dare you?

Jesus loves me no matter if I've slept with somebody or not. Yes, that was a much bigger storyline.

But that's kind of the same thing.

He was pretty much like,

my wife isn't going to be a promiscuous type person.

And she was like-

It's a completely different situation.

That was like, you have to wait before marriage.

This is not like-

Luke Key.

Thank you, Luke Pell.

This is not like debating the semantics of a hookup partner and then going on a love competition show. And that's all.
That's what this conversation is about. And that's what the whole Jed and Hannah situation was.
The idea, it's just like, I don't know. He probably didn't expect to fall in love with Hannah.
Maybe didn't even expect to get cast on the show. And was foolish and like sloppy with the fact that he was hanging out with this girl and trying to have his cake and eat it too.
And enjoying this girl's company and then went on a show and didn't know what the show, like when I went on the show the first time when I was at work and everyone's like, are you going to fall in love? And I rolled my eyes like, of course not. I'm just doing a show.
And then like, obviously I got caught up in the whole moment. Like it's a bizarre, crazy crazy fucking world and i don't expect i didn't think lauren expected to fall in love and i don't know what dave expected either and i don't fault lauren i'm just saying like listen she could have been a little more careful and she could have been a little bit more prepared to like go on a show that she watched as a fan and and saw all the other storylines and things like that and she didn't and whatever that's fine That's fine.
No big deal. But again, it has consequences.
And the fact that we know what Dave thinks, and it's just because he handled it poorly, I just think, yeah. All I could think about is him in that trench coat when he was sitting outside.
That pop collar. And his collar was straight up, and he looked like a, not to roast him.
I was like, the posture of the collar, I was like, nobody fixed that. Nobody fixed that.
I think my biggest issue with Dave was that he was kind of trying to make Lauren break up with him oh he definitely was and that Dave was very much like this is and that's where I was like nah if you want to break up with her break up with her what did you think about Madison coming in with her pink hair and talking shit about Alex she is the most toxic person in the world that was a crazy scene she comes in guns a bla-blazing. With the pink hair? Forget about the pink hair.
Whatever. Shame me, Meg.
I thought the hair looked good. Yeah.
Let's not shame people who want to get a little fun with their hair. I had pink hair, too.
I had that exact hair. She comes in immediately throwing shots.
Immediately is like, yeah, well, Meg was texting Alex before she even knew we could have been engaged. And she had no idea and she was already up in his dns she's dangerous she's out there like not and throwing just below like serious accusations of like he's a piece of shit and blah blah blah and like making up like throwing out accusations about like what he said about mason all because like she didn't get picked yep yeah that's crazy.
Her being like, he said, fuck Mason. I don't believe that for a second.
Alex does not look like the person who would say, that's his best friend from the show. No, fuck Mason.
The funny thing is she said all this and then the conversations went nowhere. Yeah.
I was like, okay. She said all that and then it immediately cut to Mason and Alex being like, dude.
There's a lot of nice fuckbys you present As the good guys who aren't No one's more triggered by those types of people But Alex is not that guy Alex is literally just No, it's Dave Dave's just kind of lame Dave's a guy who thinks he's funny is not funny I don't think Alex is also, yeah, I don't think Alex is that guy. And Madison is trying so hard.
Like, I feel like the reunion is going to be so messy because she's going to come in and be insane. I was like, I can't wait.
I'm surprised that she didn't go as mental on the Meg and Mason showing up together, too. Because I'm like, I feel like that should have been like, you did everything to sabotage that relationship and they still ended up together.
And I ended up with no one. That's why she was trying to talk shit about Meg, like trying to reach out to Alex because it's like, that's her trying again to like ruin that relationship with Mason.
Mary, I know your dad's a pastor. Does he ever video it in? What does that mean? Like phone? Well, I know.
Like, do I not? Listen, your, your, your, your religion is your religion. I grew religion i grew up catholic so and listen our my religion has its flaws we are aware of my religion's flaws but like you know justin grew up catholic oh are you talking about ben yeah yes the video audio okay so there's a during covid there was a live stream version of church that like people can watch my dad would never show up on a Zoom screen instead of going to church.
Natalie and I went home to Savannah a couple years ago with Natalie, and it was like, I don't know, some baptism? I don't know, something. She took me to a service.
It was a Christian, lovely, lovely, lovely people there. Very commercialized, yes.
There was a band on stage, very much like this. Then there was a big screen and then they pressed play and there was a sermon.

And I'm sorry,

like,

listen,

maybe this is the Catholic in me,

but like if,

if my pastor is showing up in a hoodie and true religion jeans and he's on a

video screen,

what can this man tell me about God that I don't already know?

I'm not at church.

Yes.

Like,

no,

my dad just go to a Starbucks and be like,

what do you think about Jesus?

My,

I completely agree.

My dad.

So like that,

my dad's a Lutheran pastor. The type of Lutheran that he is is a very like lutheranism is probably the closest to catholicism just without the it's just like way more like chill but it's still very like the liturgy is classic it's like you're lighting it like the candles people will dress like he's wearing the robe okay he is not or he has a suit like he is he's is, he takes a series.
He went to seminary for four years. He's not wearing Jordans.
At least give me a golf polo. Yeah.
Khakis in a golf polo. And that's his, he will do that occasionally on a very casual thing, but he's usually wearing a robe.
I really did think the zoom-in was just a southern thing. I've seen that, honestly, all over the churches in the South.
It'll be like a big pastor from Texas, and he's preaching to this small church. It's giving megachurch.
Yeah. He couldn't even be there? Yeah.
If I was Sarah... That's hard.
Yeah. It's hard.
The young pastor couldn't even show up. He's bringing his girlfriend to his big thing.
I'm a father of Christ. That's true.
And it's like a- The big reveal was not even. The big reveal of a guy in a hoodie on a TV screen.
When I saw that, it truly sent a chill up my spine, I will say. I respect her, though.
She's like, you know what? I'll be there for the holidays, for the special events. But I don't know if this is for me.
I'm not mocking your religion. I am mocking anyone who, the people who are too fucking lazy to show up and look nice and talk about their Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.
If you look like you just got a coupon from The Gap, I don't need you talking to me about... I like Gap.
I will say it was... But for your pastor? Sure.
I will say it was kind of fucked up for them to give the men the... Bachelor party? What was the bachelor party? They went to the Vikings.
Yeah, the Vikings. And the women was like, everyone dressed up like old people.
Yeah. They always do this.
They always do. They have the worst.
The girls with the lamest bachelorette parties. They have the worst.
The men get to go to a game and we get pop-up tents for our grown-asses to sit in wigs and canes. Like, thanks.
Do you remember last season when it was the weird tent pop-ups in a circle and it's like, do you expect grown-ass women to sleep in those? Yeah. They need to up that.
I hated the prenup conversation between Devin and Virginia. He signed it, though.
No, he did, but it made it seem so dark and kind of icky about it. I don't have a problem with Virginia Asker at all.
Listen, if you want to make a relationship of any kind work, especially a marriage, it's about now that I don't know what each other is going to do two years from now. One day, I could wake up and just stop giving a shit.
I could stop waking up every day and making my wife and my kid and my family a top priority. People do that all the fucking time.
And to make a relationship work, it goes way further than just saying, I do. And we're saying a bunch of promises the day you get married.
You every day kind of have to almost internally renew your vows to yourself and your partner and show up for them and a lot

of people stop showing up and like if you have something to lose especially marrying someone you

don't really know you have like devin and like i i don't fault him because i get where he's coming

from but i i wish it was articulated in a way that way it's like well what's my what am i supposed to

say to my family when they ask like no one plans to get divorced right you know but like no one

Thank you. I get where he's coming from, but I wish it was articulated in a way that it's like, well, what am I supposed to say to my family when they ask? Like, no one plans to get divorced.
Right. You know, but like no one plans for their partner to like become a different person or lose interest or like have like a weird like middle age kind of like crisis or whatever.
Or like, you know, some past trauma from their life like sneaks up on them that they haven't resolved. I don't fucking know.
It's like health insurance.

You're not required to have it, but it's

nice to know that if something were to happen,

I'm looking at a copay versus looking at

a full price receipt. And 50 years ago,

people literally didn't get

divorced. You were ostracized from your

community if you got divorced, so you just

muscled through life.

Miserable. And just had

a secret life. Now you don't have

to do that. So if you believe in divorce,

And I'm assuming Devin in Virginia, and I don't mean believe because everyone's like, I'm never going to get divorced. But don't say it's not a possibility if you're not somehow legally not allowed to do it.
Clearly it's an option. It's not an option you want to consider.
You want to do everything in your power to avoid that for sure. Of course.
But like, let's not be delusional that that's not a possibility in the realms of reality. It only is invoked if, if the unforeseeable happens, that is literally what it's all about.
And the way that's framed is if like, she's going into this into this planning on getting a divorce no she is doing this because she's like if you fucking change motherfucker if you do some shit that i don't know about uh what's uh last season uh ashley ashley came in here and rode for her guy her husband and like rode for him and all these other rumors out there about kids and we still don't even know the truth and she told everyone to shut the fuck up and i know my man and now all of a sudden they're getting fucking divorced and i don't know if there's a prenup but like she trusted someone that clearly she realized that maybe she shouldn't have trusted him as much as she should have we want to believe in people but like this whole idea that like it is like a negative for virginia to ask for this when like she's a little bit more of established than than uh than devon i don't know i do think that it's kind of crazy that she's even being villainized for it because i feel like all of these couples that are planning on moving forward with marriage you should have a prenup in in place because you only have no this person she's the only one with a brain in this past What am'm saying. You get married on TV.
Yeah, when the cameras go away and it's just the two of us, are you the same person that I fell in love with in the pods? Are you the same person that was in this experiment knowing that you were filmed 24-7? Monica's sister, like for like 30 seconds, I was like, oh, she came around. I was a little too harsh on her.
And I was like, no, she still is so fucking bitter.

She absolutely hates this.

She was biting her tongue so hard, but she tried.

She liked him. She trot, no.
At the end, it was just more like, yeah, sorry about that.

You seem cool. But then she

still passive digs.

Having her take the photos, the engagement

photos, and then having that conversation

was iconic, though. It was better than the photo

shoot that Daniel and Taylor had that conversation was iconic though it was better than the photo shoot that uh daniel and um the christmas cards that was brutal they seem cute though i'm actually rooting for them they seem really good for each other no i like them together too who do we think is gonna work out who says i do i think taylor and daniel say i do i don't think they do really i do not think um i think I think if she does, she's leaving him in five years for someone to hold up. She's going to find out that he was the one that followed her.
I hope not. This is all speculation.
I have no clue. I'm actually rooting for them.
I haven't heard anything in the pipeline. I think Sarah and Ben will say yes.
I do too. Okay.
I think Monica and Joey. Oh, God.
Yeah, of course. And I think Taylor and Daniel.
Or no, Virginia and Devin. But I don't think the other two.
Monica and Joey don't end up together. I'm not sold on Virginia and Devin.
In the teaser, there's like a clip of her being like, right before like. I feel like I have to cut that spoiler alert.
It's not a spoiler. In the teaser, you see her like hesitate before saying I do.
And I'm like. But that could be editing.
That could be just like an edit. It could, but I'm believing it.
Justin, you are such a sucker. Yeah.
He's such a sucker for the edit. I was like, did you not watch Hometowns at Bachelor? Bachelor I was like all the things that I was waiting for did not happen So what are our final predictions Who says yes then Devin and Virginia, Sarah and Ben You guys think Taylor and Daniel Monica Joey Honestly is that all of them I think Devin and Virginia will I want one person to leave the altar.
Sarah and Ben? Ben, they definitely don't. I don't think they do either.
The sisters were preying on her downfall. I don't think Taylor and Daniel will.
I do think Monica and Joey will. And I do think Virginia and Devin will.
I have a hard time seeing Taylor and Daniel. I feel like she's going to say no.
You think so? There's a clip of a blonde woman crying, walking back to the car after being on the aisle. That has to be her, right? They're Sarah.
But in my head, it's Taylor. I mean, Sarah's got a lot going against their relationship, too.
I don't know. We will find out soon enough.
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Well, Taylor, welcome back.

Thanks for having me again.

Thanks for coming back. Good to be back.
We're so happy to have you. This has been such a fun season.
Good. For us.
It was kind of a slow start. It was a slow start.
I think it's getting a little bit more. When we first started watching your show, I hope the rest of the cast is okay with me saying, I don't mean your show, the show that you're on.
It's Craig's show. It's Craig's show.
Craig's show.

It kind of is the guy's show.

I mean, even Miss Patricia says that.

She's like, it really is a guy's show.

The girls are replaceable.

I was like, we all were kind of like, oh.

Thanks.

That was nice. That was the first time where it's kind of like shifting a bit because like the guys are not really bringing it and the women are.

But like this show and Vanderpump really was like kind of centralized around like three or four guys that are consistently creating chaos I call them low character people there you go I honestly the only reason I came back this year was to fix things with the women of the group so I really don't care what's going on with the guys how do you feel like that's going we are all in a really good place um, it's very unfortunate that Olivia is not back this season. I was really upset about that, honestly.
But she had reached out to me, and so we got to talk a little bit. Obviously, I've kept in touch with her just based on her being engaged.
And she's doing some fun stuff with a YouTube channel. And obviously like her,

her brother's birthday was just this past February.

So I reached out and just,

we stay in touch like that,

which is really nice.

It seems like you're not like what you used to be.

No,

I don't think that we'll,

I mean,

she,

she's in Charlotte now,

I think.

Oh,

she moved.

She moved.

Does she still not believe you?

I,

I have no idea,

but her reaching out to me and that text message,

uh,

she just seemed to be like, let's, you know, let's, let's let bygones be bygones. I am here for you as a friend.
And she actually was reaching out, kind of warning me about a certain newcomer. Who? Who? Who? Yeah.
I think y'all know. Sally? Yeah.
So Olivia had previously known sally she doesn't know her but she is from the same town so she was like i just want you to know i've like i've heard a lot of things about this person i don't know her personally but just beware and i was like i appreciate she has an interesting like uh reality tv track record as someone who like almost went on the bachelor and then almost went on bachelor in paradise and now is on yeah it was an interesting charm and do you feel like where you and sally are today is better than when you were filming are you kind of like i'm not investing in that relationship um yeah i definitely don't want to invest in that relationship i think that i mean to be completely honest the first time i actually officially met her was on camera at her little gathering no this was they it didn't air but uh we don't get to see it but it was like we had a little girls night and um a lot of a lot of this stuff that uh that we did with the women of the group um you don't get to see much of it and that was like what was really important for me and why i was returning uh it felt like this newcomer came in and uh leveraged like my fractured relationship with these girls to like one-up herself and then keep me in the fire and be like oh and by the way she's not only a shitty friend but like she's dating this horrible guy and it was just like one thing after another that she was just trying to. That guy we're talking about.

Okay. He's so horrible.
He's in the room, Gaston. Handsome guy.
He's in the room with his really cute niece on top of his lap. Yeah, really cute niece.
So did you, I guess, whenever you heard that Sally was joining the show, were you aware of her previous fling with your boyfriend Gaston? I was. Yeah.
I had known of her just because I had my friends say that she was talking about me at Republic.

And, you know, it's like, wait, who is this?

And I said, oh, the girl that's hooking up with Joe.

And amongst a few other people on that cast.

And so I was like, I don't like I don't know this person.

I obviously had known that there was a past fling there, but she had every intention of coming on this season to drag his name. And she did just that.
So that was really fun to deal with. After she had already told me, like, hey, I have no ill will towards you or Gaston.
I'm glad that you're happy. Because I just heard things in the rumor mill that she was coming on to do just that.
And so I confronted her about it before we started filming. And lo and behold, it was everything that.
What did she say when you confronted her? Oh, she said, I have no ill will towards you guys. Like, I'm happy for you and guest on.
And my only one thing that I have against you is that you said something nasty about me around town. And that was the I was like, I like I don't know you and that was the hooker comment and I was like I've never called anyone a hooker I was like I'm pretty sure it's like what's on 1995 you're such a vintage of you it's slut yeah it's a slut now um no I was yeah so was that just a rumor that she heard that you said or something yeah i i mean she came out with another one at reunion and i don't i mean like it's it was pretty horrible i was like oh my gosh she was like you called me a hooker and that i got ink bangs and i was like what i was like where are you hearing i've never i was like i don't talk about you like i just i don't i mean here i'm talking about about it right now.
I don't talk about you. I've never used the word hooker or gang.
Wait, so at the reading in, she- Accuses you of saying something like that? I think that she just says things to like raw me up. That is a weird thing to platform a rumor about yourself.
I think it's a part of her manipulation tactic. That's my, that's my depiction of it.
Yeah. So I, I feel like we saw, I was, I was like, how many? I don't know.
I should ask her. That is crazy.
I was like, I feel like we saw at, so like y'all had this conversation. You heard she was going to be on the show off camera.
You kind of meet up and you're like, or was this on camera no this was off camera it was before we started filming okay yeah um and she was like i wish nothing but the best for you two and then on camera she switches up and starts like talking a lot of shit about gaston talking some shit about you saying nick's like worst the thing he hates the most that people say is nobody here likes you or or what some version of like you know you know when people like tell other you know people about you you know when sally said to you about like you're a bad friend to trust you yeah i was told not to trust you it's like who are they you know when people bring up they yeah it's like some like group of people who who you know like everyone says that about you you know what i'm saying right like huh like I fucking hate that i do i like to see i'm like who like show me the proof of this and again that's just where it was like she was leveraging my fractured friendships to drag myself my relationship like it was it was really unfortunate because i had worked so hard to get to a better place um coming into this season after everything that went down last season on the show and in my personal life. And this person over here, Gaston, has been like a huge part in my healing process and my healing journey.
And so to have someone come in and just like try to absolutely tear that down, like with everything inside of her was really tough to navigate. And I tried to just like let it go but it's hard when they're constantly you also want to protect the people that you love and like I definitely turn into like a huge bitch and a very like mama bear energy if someone tries to come for Nick especially like in front of my face so I honestly respect you so much for like keeping the piece as much as you did.
I mean, to sit there, like to have the whole like JT bring up this whole like Sally, like it was like, it was like, it was the worst. I mean, yeah.
Well, I know he was like, he was going down. Who would say that? JT.
That little man's funny. I think he said something.
I i don't watch it but he said something along the lines of like that i had an affair with sally with my past relationship which is just a funny way of saying thing right but it was an ex-girlfriend it didn't happen and they just kind of like and it backfired on him because then sally turned on him and it's like you just stay in your lane like you got enough worry about with venita and what you got going on like that's true that's true where do you stand with jt he's smarmy uh we are not i don't i don't respect him at all right i mean i just think that he's trying to grab at something and he's doing it in a really dirty way yeah like really doing venita dirty yeah i mean honestly doing all the women dirty it feels like yeah it's like he and he didn't show up a lot this year all last year preached stand up be a man like own own whatever you have and he would just run away like every he would run away and and i'm speaking the truth and we just i well, you're doing it. You're not speaking the truth.

First of all, you're grasping at something.

And that's what I feel like a lot of people, not a lot, but some people on that cast are just wanting so badly to be relevant.

I think he's one of those people.

What do you make of the relationship between JT and Vanita, like seeing how it played out

on camera versus like in real life?

I was completely like I had no idea that that was a thing. I just thought that they were good friends.
I wasn't until afterwards or after we had wrapped filming that they had kind of, I guess, tried some things out or like went on a couple of dates and here and there. And then when I heard that, I was like, I need to talk to Bea about this.
Like, what's going on? Did you know he had a girlfriend?

No, nobody knew.

And then he talked about it on camera.

And we were like, wait, you have a girlfriend?

Like, was he acting like he had a girlfriend or was his behavior?

He never really talked about her.

Like, if you were his girlfriend, how would you feel about his behavior?

I would tell him to go kick rocks.

Excuse me?

Yeah. Like, I don't care if you're trying to do it for the show or not.

Like, that's not...

Because she is this mysterious woman spoken out?

I mean, apparently called Vanita a homewrecker or rat. Yeah, it was right when the trailer dropped.
She kind of... And I don't know that...
I mean, we kind of know her. My friend works with her at a gym.
I think Lara works with her at a gym. But I don't really know the girl, so I haven't really been able to get her side.
Well, JT seems like he's good at playing both sides. Yes.
So I'm sure he's giving her some versions. I mean, I'm sure it – and I do see the frustration on his end because it's like, you know, we weren't in that room.
We know that there's editing. But Craig swears by a lot of things things that jt says and then we don't have any of that proof yeah and shep is also like corroborating like i didn't hear any of that um so where do you land on the whole like patricia's a bitch and i madison like wanted or brett thought madison and i were having an affair i think that yeah i think that craig can embellish, he can embellish the truth.
What does that mean? I think that he hears one thing and he just wants to go with it. So he's like, let's up the ante a little bit.
Let's run with this one. Make it a little bit more interesting and say it was bitch.
Well, we're in a cross line between just lying. I mean, what's the difference between embellishing the truth and making up a a story like Sally, like the gangbang accusation sounds like that's where that start.
Now I escalated to this. Is he doing stuff like that or I mean, is he embellishing the breakup? I honestly don't.
We talked about that at reunion to exhaustion. I think everyone on the couch was pretty much asleep.
What's your what's your take? Again, just kind of stay out of it. My only take on that is that when Paige was asking him to say something about the cheating rumors, he doesn't owe her that.
I don't think he owes her that. She broke up with him and he doesn't owe her.
He didn't start the rumor. So he's like, that's not on me.
I didn't go around starting this rumor that you cheated on me Like why do I have to stand up when you broke my heart? I had a ring for you And now i'm having to go. Oh, she didn't cheat on me He's like I know you broke my heart and I don't owe that to you So like a breakup is a breakup you kind of part ways and you don't owe each other each other anything anymore Kind of going off of that last season Obviously there was the season premiere you had said to craig like well what about your girl cheating on you were there rumors just circulating around charleston about that or like where did that come from that rumor and it was very early on in their relationship allegedly this is all alleged i i do still regret saying that that it was just a rumor that was going around BravoCon.

Oh. Yeah.

And it was just like, and people were chatting about it.

And so I repeated the rumor in that moment.

And I'm the type of person where if I don't like to repeat rumors unless I have facts and proof.

Right.

So I was hurt in that moment.

I apologize for saying it. I didn't.
I take it back. But again, still just a rumor.
Okay. Right.
So I was like, I was hurt in that moment. I apologize for saying it.

I didn't.

I take it back.

But again,

still just a rumor.

Okay.

Yeah.

Have you seen Sienna

going live?

Or all the TikToks

she's posting,

like trying to like

expose the truth

about her time on the show

and her relationship with Chef?

I think I saw one.

It was like part one.

I kept up with the trilogy of her um lives or whatever they are yeah i think i saw part one again i didn't really i wasn't paying attention to that whole situation and maybe i should have a little bit more um but i was only on that trip to be with the girls like i i was really just we had this ball rolling and i was like let's keep it going like I feel really good with the women and I just want to keep it keep it there I don't care about what's going on or like Sienna and Shep and whatever so but looking back at it all I'm like I look kind of stupid because from my experience with him I'm going this is your fault like you're the one probably ruining this relationship and in reality is like the other way around i was like oh i look kind of stupid it makes me look like i'm jealous or something i was like no i'm like i could be the furthest thing to be jealous in this moment truly yeah it's just you not knowing the like details of it just assuming of like who you know chef to be be. What did you make of, sorry for talking about her accent.
But what did you make of kind of Shep's behavior in the sense that like, it seemed a little out of pocket for him to kind of melt the way he did and act that way. Was this, do you think a product of just like a guy for the first time like not getting what he wanted and and the way that he wanted it and and he was more uncomfortable with that versus like this is not the chef that we seem to have gotten to know this kind of like kind of nothing serious you know whatever everything's a joke blah blah blah blah all of a sudden he's talking about freckles and like their love and it's just like to the point where it's like whoa you're getting a little creepy yeah i mean yeah it was it was it's weird watching that being like this is not what i'm using he doesn't take life seriously and so that's where i'm going you're not taking life seriously and this girl probably is trying to take life seriously and you put her in this little bubble and that's not like you're confining her to this space and like that there's much more to this person but yeah to actually see him like breaking down i think it is like shep got shep so um do you think this experience i mean do you think it was real or do you think any part of it was him just like leaning in for the sake of the show i'll give shep that what you see is what you get okay yeah and do you think this experience will teach him anything it's a good question maybe i mean you can because he definitely might be able to teach old dog new tricks i don't know listen we all need vulnerable moments we all need to feel embarrassed or be embarrassed humbled at times chefs is on television i'm not trying to like shit on him but like that was it was a bad beat for him like he really was just like oh god you know like yeah but i'm just wondering if he will feel learned you know i think at the end of the day he'll be just fine he kind of i feel like guys in general do this.
They turn their emotions off, and they just kind of keep going with life. And so I think that's probably just what he'll do.
Would you support him and Molly, or are you kind of like, I don't want Molly to get involved with that? No, I love Molly. And as you guys got to meet her a little bit, she's like somebody I naturally gravitated towards just she is very cool, calm, collected.
She's not like in the drama. Yeah.
She's also someone like what you see is what you get. I mean, I don't know.
I would never encourage someone to be with the person that I was with, but I don't know where Shepard is today. I mean, I hope that he's like growing into his own and becoming, I guess, figuring out life a little bit more.
It's not your place to. Yeah.
I'm kind of like, I'm not going to sit there and be like, you're not going to be like, you can't date my ex. Yeah.
No, I'm not going to be that person. I'm very happy in my relationship.
So I'm like, what's the future of you being on the show look like? Because, you know, you mentioned, you just kind of came back for the women. It feels like whatever you accomplished, maybe that job is done.
Obviously, with Shep being your ex, like, clearly there is a challenge and rightfully so, like navigating being part of this group. And then, like, obviously, you know, like the ex storyline.
But I'm guessing it's more of a thing than you wish it would be.

Like,

how do you see your future with the show?

And also having someone like Sally who wants to be you attack your current relationship.

Like,

is it worth going through that again?

I,

I mean,

obviously like knowing more of what I know now,

I just,

it's,

it's very frustrating.

I don't like to put myself in those situations, But yeah, it's a great question because I just do want to have that time and moment with Olivia, which I have. It's obviously not on camera, but that's what the viewer wants.
And I don't think that I'll be getting that moment. And that's the only reason that I came back was to end on a good note and be able to move past everything.

So you think it might be done?

I don't know.

Would you jump ship to Southern Hospitality?

That would make more sense because I do actually hang out with those people.

Those are people I've known for a very long time, even before they started Southern Hospitality.

I knew TJ and Brad and Emmy and Will and all of them.

So it would make more sense.

But I have not been up to him. So talk to me about TJ.
Yeah. He seems real toxic to me.
He likes to stir a pot. I guess I was his roommate for a year and a half.
A year and a half? A year and a half, yeah. I didn't say he has no redeeming qualities.
I love TJ. I can see how people are like, oh, he's a potster.
And I think that he is the type of person who does bring facts to the table and he will like if he's going to say something he's going to have a reason as to why he said it or back it up and i mean i'll always try to have i was a little uncomfy with the whole joe conversation it was that was a very uncomfortable i was like conversation was he blacked out or is he not blacked out and if he's blacked out i'm like what are we talking about here it was really that was really tough for me as a friend to watch that uh because seeing tj get very emotional like he's just not an emotional person and i think that it was just maybe downplayed like that whole situation was downplayed a little bit so he's getting emotional about it and it was it's a very like how do you navigate a conversation like that it's it can be very uncomfortable so but um i think that there will be more answers to that at their reunion okay yeah but you stand by them i'll stand by them always okay yeah and you're are you super close with emmy and will as well because your name got brought up last episode with tj and emmy little confrontation. Yeah.
Yeah. I saw that.
I was like, wait. Did I say that? Well, I did.
But yeah, no, I've known Emmy and Will. I know Emmy more better just because she, when we started to get to know each other, we were actually in London with Will and Emmy two years ago.
And it was right before season one was about to air. And I said, just let you know, know y'all's relationship is going to be under fire y'all are going to get painted out to be this cute little couple the fun couple that works together i said but in due time it will happen yeah and i was like y'all just have to be prepared um you know don't do anything stupid but of course like the their whole situation i'm i think that emmy could have handled it better but uh i think that she just was in defense mode like she what she had been through going you know being in long distance relationship he's in law school he's under a lot of stress so she's just trying to protect him in that relationship because they made it like they got through the first year and it felt like everyone was trying to come in and attack her.
In reality, they're just going, we're just checking in on you. So she saw the attack, not the concern.
With the rumors flying around about Will for multiple seasons at this point, what do you make of it as somebody who also has been in a relationship and probably heard rumors and whatnot outside of it? Do you believe where there's smoke, there's fire? Do you think that there's a group of lawyers that are bullying will i don't know about that about a group of lawyers bullying but um i don't i mean i don't know well guess i went to law school or were there a bunch of bullies in law school i don't know bullies might be a strong word but i just feel like people in law school would like i can see it's competitive or also like you know being on a reality reality tv show depending on who you ask like is a is a door for people to criticize you depending on your community yeah i think that's reality tv stars have we have risen up we have we have leveled up in terms of our credibility but i still think we're you know we're punching bags for for for people sometimes to like oh my god yeah i'm sure they don't take you very seriously, maybe. Well, back to my question.
Do you think that there's some, like, do you think that Emmy's doing the right thing by saying no to these rumors? Or do you think Emmy should be addressing the rumors and not getting defensive? I think there could have been a conversation instead of just because, and there might have been. It just wasn't seen.
But to just come in and say, no, it didn't happen. Uh, it, to the viewer, to people listening, they're going, you're just saying, no, did you have a conversation? Right.
And, uh, so yeah, I think that there, I'm sure there was, but it needs like, just have a conversation. Where are these rumors coming from and why? And then, okay, let's put it aside.
I mean, I do think it is hard it's like austin's ex-girlfriend who could be his current girlfriend's like brother's sister's friend heard and it's like okay are emmy and will at the reunion will doesn't show up yeah will's not he's in he's like in the back room but emmy's the only one but he was there why yeah he was there why didn't he they teased it as auntie cohen saying well will's not here so he's not on the. He was there.
Yeah, he was there. Why didn't he? They teased it as Andy Cohen saying,

well, Will's not here,

so he's not on the show anymore?

No.

I mean, he was at the studio,

but he was not on stage.

Interesting.

So I don't know why. I don't know what the reasoning for that would be.

I really, I didn't even ask.

Maybe the bully lawyers got him.

Holding him in the back in the locker.

Give him a swirly. This year of Southern Hospitality has been good.
It's so good. It's been entertaining.
I think you jump ship. I think you joined Southern Hospitality.
I don't know if I want to join the dark side. What else have you been doing in your life? Are you watching? Anything fun? We just started watching SEAL Team.
SEAL Team. SEAL Team.
AJ Buckley actually lives in Charleston. He and his wife and their three kids.
So we've met them. We watched his kid do a little band thing at Windjammer.
So that's been really fun. But then obviously White Lotus.
Yep. Then Love White Lotus.
We've only watched two episodes. Third episode came out last night.
Came out last night. Get on it.
You also have your brand. I know.
You've got my sweatshirt on. I really like the sweatshirt.
I love it. In terms of swag gifts that we get.
It's a nice little oversized. I love that.
Yeah, thank you. It's not too thick.
It's a nice medium sweat. I know I've got, this is our Simone set.
I've been very Simone. This is named after Simone Bile.
That's my middle name. Oh, it is? Yeah, so I'm named after you.
Okay. Yeah, I should have been named after you.
Thank you. But yeah, so we've been very busy with that.
We've got some pop-ups coming up in Baltimore. My business partner's in Baltimore, and I'm in Charleston, obviously.
So it's kind of nice being in two different places on the east coast that are in between like the florida keys miami area and then new york and yeah yeah so it's been really fun it's kept me busy and um i know we'll see where it goes well now you have to come back next season so we can at least promote the brand i know right yeah i know tj's got his sir wieners it's been doing really well really yeah i know well

i'm gonna have to tell him to send you guys some swag because it's fun yeah it's hot dog cart it's

hot dog cart yeah yeah what kind of hot dogs all beef uh yes i think there's it might be a bratwurst

remember the bratwurst one i think it's called the worst one is the bratwurst but does he have

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like like like like likemy emmy is like is he working the stand is he behind there slinging the dogs yep junk but emmy licked peanut butter off of someone's junk yeah so that's where's where that one came from. Who did? Emmy.
I think it's in season one. They talk about it.
Yeah, we didn't know. But that one's the best one.
That's the best hot dog. Someone's balls? With something like that.
You never licked balls before? The PB Wiener time. Wouldn't you prefer that it would be peanut butter? And that one's the best one.
You'd rather have no peanut butter. Yes, with peanut butter on it.
It's so good. With a pretzel roll? Yeah.
Interesting Yeah Interesting Yeah So next time you're in Charleston Come to Lamar's We'll go We'll get Leva to hook us up And we'll get TJ to hook us up With a wiener towel Next time someone gets married I definitely don't need Like extra things in my mouth When I'm trying to like Do a DJ Like I don't need to like I'm not thinking you're like Pausing me Can I get some peanut butter? But like I'm just I'm just saying if peanut butter was there. No, that's just extra things I have to like.
Peanut butter is so sticky. You know how long that's in your mouth for? Like you're like, yeah, it's like a dog.
Constantly. Yeah.
You're giving me too much work right now. No peanut butter.
I'm a joke or something. Yeah.
Why was there peanut butter? Is this a dare? Was it a dare? I don't. I have no.
I think I asked her about it and forgot what she said. I she was like We were just being stupid It was like in college Or something silly Do we see Like marriage With Gaston Or Nyela do you want to answer that? Yes How long has it been? A year and a half Almost Oh Yeah Congrats That must get so annoying though, even like bringing up Shep,

just because in TV time,

like it's just, it feels like you guys like just broke up.

You've been dating someone else for a year and a half.

And we were broken up for over a year

before I even started dating him.

But you haven't been dating Shep for two and a half years.

That's crazy.

Yeah.

I know people are like, she moved on so far. I was like, it was over a year that i was single yeah and then i you know met him and yeah well i guess we've we've already known each other but i was gonna say reconnected i always because i give reality tv stars especially in the bravo sphere like so much credit because it's like you do go through such a dramatic summer maybe three months or whatever and then you have a year to forget about it recover and then all of a sudden it's like airing now let's go through your trauma yeah exactly and people think it happened last week like this was a year ago this all happened a year ago but like how does it feel to prepare for a reunion like that because it's like you know you're going to be asked questions in a way that's like as if this happened yesterday but you're like going going off of emotions that you're trying to replay by rewatching.
Right. Like how does the reunion go down in a sense? Because I feel like it's so passionate, too.
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
And I mean, it's hard when you're, I guess, in it. Like if you're if you're still trying to recover from it or whatever, it can be very emotional.
But I think this year I was so just over it. And like I'm in such a better and more healthier place that i just was like bring it on i was like go ahead this is all dumb it's all done and said with so have you ever skipped episodes or like i fast forward yeah yeah i'm like this is boring it's like the austin and craig of it all like oh my gosh y'all are fighting over a stupid podcast Are they really fighting? I think so I don't think they're doing the podcast anymore I don't Yeah but that could have been We tried listening to it one time On the way home from one of the trips Like a few years ago And we're in the car It was like me and Vanita And I think maybe someone else And I was like Why are we listening to their stupid voices? Like we just had to to them all weekend just like yop yop yop yop and now we're pillows and beer because correct makes pillows no i understand the name yeah uh what was it about though oh i don't even remember just like they're i mean like they i'll give it there's some things that are funny and goofy but i don't know they're like their last episode was january 6th with spencer pr oh of this year of this year january 6th okay well maybe they're still doing it it's march 3rd all right no so they did you break they brought it back after their fake cancellation there is some speculation about uh sally and craig obviously they were like seen at nobu or something in new york like

and then i took it as like oh it's two co-workers in the same place and then she went on watch what happens live and was asked about it and played really coy and was kind of like we had a chaperone like i feel like that's so sally it definitely is definitely is very sally coded um to my knowledge I'm pretty sure she's like dating someone.

Oh, okay.

So it's giving JT.

Yeah. It is.
Wow. Yeah.
I mean, I've said that. I said, you just wait.
I was like, you think JT is bad? Do we find out at the reunion whether or not JT has left the show officially since he announced it like five months ago? You will. I don't know.
fire him you will see an appearance but i'm i was like he better show up because you think i wanted to show up last year right like after everything that was going on i yeah i wanted to crawl into a hole it was like you have you just answered to the questions like just say you're sorry and and let's move forward from this but he does he shows up and I can't remember if he gave an explanation to that or not I think he did but I thought that was for next season quit mid season while it's like before it airs or whatever yeah that's why I was like this must be for the next season I haven't looked at my my contract but I'm pretty sure you can't just like quit quit and then show up to the reunion. Yeah, and then show up to the reunion.
So I'm not sure. Every time it comes out, I'm like, why are you even here? How did he end up on the show? Who was he friends with? Craig and Austin? I think he just kind of knew.
He knows them in the crowd. But that was why he was so adamant about being my friend was because he was interviewing.
He just strikes me as the guy who you meet and he's like i'll pick you up at the airport and he kind of weasels himself into the friend group because he he's kind of like i'll do that he does a bunch of favors and you're like yeah he seems harmless enough and then all of a sudden you know this guy who really doesn't belong starts freaking running his mouth thinking that's i mean that is essentially what happened like i thought and of course i'm like Like, oh my gosh, he's so funny. He's like so easy to be around.
And a few months in, he was like, oh yeah, I'm interviewing for the show. And I was like, oh, awesome.
Like, that's so exciting. And looking back at it, I'm going, oh, he was just trying to befriend so that he could have like a storyline.
And I mean, that's kind of, yeah. I think it reads.
Always be wary of the new friend you meet who starts offering you a bunch of favors. What was your reaction to seeing Shep of all people have a comment on Gaston's appearance? You're kind of hot.
Yeah, he is. I mean, especially if we're putting the two side by side.
It's jarring. I mean, mean we don't know but he wanted to shit on Gaston oh 100 um no I I thought it was very middle school I was like are we in high school like when Sally and Madison and Paige were sitting there just like gossiping and like talking I wanted to like jump screen.
And by the way, that day that they went to go film at Craig's

because I had canceled my birthday party

because I was grieving my dead brother

on this huge like monumental birthday 30.

I'm like, I want to be with my family

and my boyfriend and my friends and people who,

the only people on that cast that reach out to me

on my birthday were Rod, Leva, Vanita and Molly, of course. But yeah, nobody was like, hey, you know, happy birthday.
Hope you're doing well. I know this is a big and everyone there knew why I canceled my party had nothing to do with him telling me to cancel it.
I told Leva that I just can't do. I can't be I can't do cameras.
Not I just I need to be with with people that know and love me and genuinely care about me.

And then to see what was going on behind the scenes of somebody trash talking my relationship and my person on the day of my birthday that I canceled because I'm grieving my dead brother.

I was just like, that was low.

And like, Madison, you're going to talk about like you talked about JT's looks like you're talking about like, what are you the mean girl? Like, that's just, I just, I was like, I have no respect. And Leva did.
So she was like that whole day I was going around being like, she canceled a party because she's grieving. Like she doesn't want to be around cameras.
Yeah. And everyone knew that.
And they still decided to talk about me and my relationship, which is awesome. Sounds like some people needed a storyline.
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Are you watching Traitors at all? No, and I want to see it because I heard that Tom Sandoval is just cringy as ever. He's great television.
He is great television. And then Gabby is hilarious.
So I'm like, I need to watch these two. Tom is great television.
He is. But I mean, Gabby is also made for television.
And she's- She ate last episode. Yeah, she is.
Yeah, she's funny. I think she definitely wants it.
She's just like quirky and funny. Speaking of Tom being entertaining, it was that week that I was here last that you guys had him on your podcast before me, think and you're like get ready for that one and that was wild i was so excited to listen to that episode we've been talking about getting him back on but we'll see if i'm going nick gives you a platform to be able to give your side of the story and natalie and you guys were really like we're helping you we're trying here tom we're trying to help you out here and he just was like you know and you're like we're really trying here we do try we hope to have them back on anything else we want to plug or promote reset athletic find us yeah i know we actually have a more like a men's hoodie um this is the woman's well no we we had that color like for the men And then he was wearing it one time and i was like i don't know they're like i like it but i was like it's just we need a more like a men's needs to be because it's more long fitted so well i like this one okay i'm glad you like it but yeah we'll get we'll get y'all some more gear and stuff but taylor it's great to see you thanks for coming back uh always fun chatting with you wishing you the best of luck and maybe southern hospitality we'll see what's in the cards I feel like it's a safer space for you you know like what role do you play on that show because I don't feel like you're going to be working I hope you're like I don't know Leva actually just opened up a new daiquiri spot um Zachary's daiquiris so that's's going to be like the spot for the summer.
I can't wait. She has a little store in the back of it that she wants to get some athletic sets in there with her prints on them.
So we're going to see if that like works or whatever. Yeah, you don't have to be working.
You can just be like there. Grace Lily? She's not working, but she's on that show.

She just shows up to sing in Vegas.

Now that girl is made for TV.

I tell her,

I was like,

I'm obsessed with you.

She's hilarious.

The way I just say it in my head,

I'm just wavy,

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I don't even know what that means.

I know,

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Your savings, your way. Taylor's so sweet.
I don't know why does she not she always seems to have a hard time fitting with her cast of Southern Charm. She really hates Sally.
Yeah, I mean, I would too after everything it's Sally's done, you know. Alright, it's Hometowns, it's Bachelor.
You know what I realized? What did you realize? Because last week I thought i said they were like an episode they cut one episode out was this the sixth episode of the season i believe so my when yeah episode six when i was on the show back in the day long like hometowns was week nine they're cutting they're three episodes shorter which makes i mean it, it's like, how are we at hometowns?

How is Zoe at a hometown when she doesn't even have a date?

But that's not Zoe's fault.

Like, it's just like, that's the format of the show.

Like, it was like, all of a sudden we started getting some drama with Carolina.

And then like, you know, that should have been a two-on-one.

But like, man, they really like.

The chemistry between Zoe and Grant is the most, the hardest thing to watch. There's absolutely nothing there.
I mean, that date was brutal. I mean, they didn't spend any time together, you know? And she's introducing.
I guess. Just like the photo shoot, everything was just like so hard to watch.
Like neither of them looked like they really were like into each other. And I wish we would have some like different type of theme for the photo shoot too.
Because it feels very forced where it's okay now we're gonna have the photo of you proposing in case we do do this we already have it yeah he also didn't say i love you or i'm falling in love with you to zoe no he was just the i feel confident he also didn't come to send you home next week yeah literally well again like i mean it's if they're gonna cut out three episodes like don't take four people to hometowns if. If you don't have enough episodes to tell at least four different stories of a relationship, we should give a fuck about.
Maybe change the format, but week six? The fact that he's saying, right now, I like Zoe a lot at Hometowns is a wild statement to say. And yet, she didn't get eliminated.
She's top three. And I called it right before it happened.
I'm like, Dina's going home. He had to send her home.
As soon as her family doesn't show up, she's gone. Yeah.
You know, it's just like, and I really feel for Dina. And I say this as someone who also has 10 brothers and sisters.
Like she does. She didn't specify religion, but I'm assuming she's Catholic.
She referred to her dad being an ordained deacon, which if you're Catholic, that's like basically a deacon is like someone who's like super religious, devout, thought about being a priest, but still wanted a family. And deacons can get married and have kids and they have certain like abilities at like a church service to give us a homily.
That's like the like the sermon or whatever they're not quite they're not a priest they can't like turn the the bread and the wine into the body and the blood of christ or whatever the eucharist if you know if you're catholic you know what i'm talking about but like it's giving catholic you know listen i'm really disappointed in her parents how old old is she? She's like late 20s.

She's a lawyer, right?

She's a lawyer from Chicago.

Like, listen, like now and I, the way we look at it, we have 18 years.

We have 18 years to raise our kids and teach them character and morals and values and lessons

and life.

And then, you know, when they're adults, it's up to them to like live their lives.

And like, obviously River isn't going to like, we don't expect or want River to be a 20-year-old and need our permission to do life. I hope she asks for advice.
I hope she checks in with us. She'll do things that might disappoint us.
We might not have chose for her, but that's part of life. And you got to show up for your kids.
And I get that her parents don't love this, that she's doing this. They don't have to love it to show up for your kid, you know? And like, I get that her parents don't love this, that she's doing this.
I, you know, they don't have to love it to show up for your kid. But the moment like you, like you decided for your daughter to like ruin her experience because, you know, you didn't approve it.
Like, I don't know. It's just show up, show up for your kid.
You don't have to like it. Show up for your kids.
You can even, even when they, even when you show up, you can be, you can be honest you can be you know no one's saying show up and pretend to like it show up for your kids you can even even when they even when you show up you can be you can be honest you can be you don't know what's saying show up and pretend to like it be be the we love we love the parents on this show who don't act like fans and show up and like give a little like caution to their kids and the people and like are just real people be that version like don't just like not like you they left their kid on an island and like painted themselves and their family in a light of like we don't if you if you don't do what we agree with we're not we're not gonna support you and like just like just and like i don't know being super religious isn't like a an excuse like i don't what it's not you're getting to religion to go on tv do we know it's about the religion part no but she like referenced you know My family's very conservative. I'm traditional.
And she was saying how like this is not you're getting to religion to go on tv do we know it's about the religion part no but she like referenced you know my family's very conservative my traditional and she was saying how like this isn't you know they don't approve of the fact that like you're dating 25 other women so i think it definitely had to do with like that but she showed up for a show she went on the show she's already on the show so clearly didn't like they didn't love that and but again, she's not going to, as a almost 30-year-old. She's 31, yeah.
As a 31-year-old woman, your kids aren't going to do exactly what you want them to do. You're going to abandon them.
You're just going to not show up. You're just going to be like, no, we're good.
Yeah. No one from her family, not even one of her siblings was like, I'll be there for her.
Yeah, that's tough. and he had to send her home you know because like clearly like if your family is not gonna like they're so against this i i mean i i wouldn't feel comfortable like proposing proposing you're moving forward with a relationship like she she absolutely had to go can they meet off camera has that never happened where like a family meets with i met rachel lindsey's dad off was, you know, he's a federal judge.
Her whole family was there. I met her mom on camera.
You know, like, yeah, that's hugely different than her whole family just being like, no, we want nothing to do with her. And I did meet her dad and I had a real good conversation with him.
As a federal judge, he wasn't comfortable being on camera, but that has to do with his job and whatever that's all about. But he very much was there.
We were never filmed speaking. He was not part of the show.
He wasn't on camera. But you had a good conversation with him.
I had a great real conversation with him afterwards because obviously he didn't know I wasn't going to... He showed up for his daughter.
know yeah so that could have happened in Dina's situation yeah it's like I really fell for her wasn't Melissa Rycroft who her family didn't want to participate and then she ended up winning the season oh it's way before my time on Jason Mesnick's season yeah who alright well OG did one you're way too much of a fan yeah I'm sad Dina went home though alright I had the biggest crush on her I definitely thought she was gonna go farther than Zoe So that was shocking to me The fact that Zoe is in top three And like she has never really even had I mean this was her first one on one And it's like they have no chemistry Zero Well it made it easy to figure out who he can't decide between Yes we know who his tattoo is And I don't think Latia is Juliana's my number one Yeah she's the number one Right? I don't think so No she's always been team Latia I'm team Latia Juliana's runner up I think Juliana's gonna take it I think the religion part is But her family was family was like, we don't care. As long as you're a man of God, which he is, his faith is important to him.
They're like, that's all we care. They're like, you don't have to be a Mormon to be in our family.
Letia looks like, I said this to Natalie, first of all, what a great round of hometown dates. And just in terms of New York City, Chicago.
Wyoming. Wyoming, this beautiful landscape horseback ride.
Massachusetts. What's the Juliana's? Juliana's like, whatever.
Massachusetts. Lovely family.
Lovely family. Letia looks like a creature who just came out of the woods on a horse.
She looks like a siren. Yeah.
Not the creature. And I say that, i meant that in the best like a mythical creature a mythical beautiful creature where you're just like who did this like thing come out of the she looks like she's created by ai yeah she does she really does do we think that there was like some form of drama with one of the two like as to like why they wouldn't why they would shelf uh bachelorette this season or do you think it's just timing the fact that hometowns is in week six and now week nine budget cuts like you have i think you know we've heard all this drama and turmoil going on internally at the bachelor franchise like i don't know how grant season has been doing ratings wise i don't like i don't even know how to measure ratings these days with network television when it comes to like who's watching it live versus streaming and yada yada it's like seven yada yada but clearly like it's not it's not performing what it used to how it used to perform they have more and more competition like every time a love competition show like love is blind or love island pops off like doesn't even matter if it's not being aired at the same time it's just like you're losing out to some competition yeah you know it's just like with the the it's hard to watch love island uh and then come back to like the very vanilla format that is the bachelor and like the bachelor is one of the most i mean between them and survivor like no one will ever replicate what the bachelor franchise has done in terms of longevity and legacy and just you know there's there's something about being a bachelorette or a bachelor that like supersedes like just being one of many you know on love is blind or or love island or whatever but like they're just they're not keeping up yeah they're just they're not and maybe the network part element of it all matters it will be really interesting to see what Paradise looks like this summer.
Do they make meaningful changes? Are those changes seen as cool, unique, different, something that's game-changing? Or does it look like a copycat version of other shows like Love Island that have worked? Like when they did cost them more for Paradise? Yeah, but they're to the problem with the problem with this franchise is um just like we've experienced with some of the ladies that we've interviewed there's like there clearly was this like wanting to become an influencer famous and like there's been a lot of very successful people from who've come out of bachelor nation and have done very well for themselves and and it made a meaningful at least temporary career from what they've been able to do. And it's network television.
It's very safe. It's very kind of vanilla.
Everyone's very not wanting to ruffle feathers. Villains are villainized for doing literally nothing on the show, you know, like interrupting whatever, you know, versus like the shit and drama we get from Love Island or, know even like the stakes of love is blind or you know all the you know bravo just the way they get into it and you know compared to that like the bachelor franchise in general has like really like has had a hard time keeping up and so like will cast members go on to paradise and be good television or are they still going to be like very careful

what they say and very careful what they do and not want to ruffle anyone's feathers because that's

what it is now it's just everyone's just afraid to make tv in hopes that they're the you know

because that's how it used to be like if you were like the least problematic person who got the like

them and who went the furthest you would pop and you would become like this person with a big

following and blah blah blah but like the world's different now you know yeah i need um like uh the girl that was like scallop fingers like i need like like like sound bites and personalities back that like dressed up as a shark for their first day to show up to paradise being silly no i mean i need something i need something different. I need some real fights.
I need some real drama. Speaking of, so wait, I'm going to say Juliana is going to be my winner.
That's who I think too. I'm standing by Latia.
I think at the last minute he really likes Latia. I mean, I can see why he's so torn in the preview where he's like, I can see why.
I feel like he really got the dad's consent with Juliana. I feel like either way, he gets what he wants.
He's going to be a part of a big family. Do you think he sleeps with anyone? Do you think he sleeps with anyone? Speaking of double standards, though, back to Hannah Brown's, here you have Latia, also religious, less granted her delivery, much different than Luke Parker's back in the day but nevertheless the premise still is the same which is if you sleep with someone else I'm not going to pick you.
I won't be here. Like you can have sex with someone else but I will be leaving if you do.
And like that was different wording but exactly what Luke Parker did and he was the biggest villain in the world for it. I mean Matty Pruitt did it too's definitely and you know where do you stand do you have a problem with Latia setting this boundary for Grant Luke was talking about his standard for his future wife saying that like she should never have been intimate where I'm like this is where I'm like for your per her religion let alone that like she's been on this journey with all of these 20 women I wouldn't be able to get over that either if he slept with somebody before he came on the show as the bachelor i don't give two fucks but like yeah if you slept with somebody that night before you're gonna propose to me yeah i'm probably gonna say no i mean luke parker got crucified for luke parker the guy who there's luke pal or jed pal was a different guy luke parker luke pal is the guy who's gonna be Luke P.
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Luke Pell is the maybe the best villain of all time. It's what made Yeah, that guy.
Yeah. He's the windmill the one who got upset with Hannah for sleeping with Peter.
Oh, I thought his last name was Pell. No, Luke Pell is the guy who should have been The Bachelor when I was The Bachelor and then he was on JoJo's season okay luke parker is the guy who was this amazing villain hannah brown season i was a huge douchebag and there's a lot of reasons to hate the guy yeah and his whole you know his opening scenes scene was like he was basically like i fucked a lot in college and then i like met jesus christ and all of a sudden like i'm not a douchebag anymore and They don't listen.
They don't make television like that anymore. And it was like, wait, you got all your- They don't cast them like that anymore.
It's like, you got all your fucking out of the way and now you're going to tell Hannah Brown she can't have sex with people? Yeah. You know, his delivery was terrible and he was, he seemed like a worse type of guy, but either way, like his delivery was basically like, he thought he was the winner.
He thought he was, you know, like he was the front runner. She really liked him she really liked him and all of a sudden he was like i'm not going to be comfortable with you having sex and that is exactly what latia is is saying to grant and i think that's their prerogative i get it yeah i also wouldn't want that i wouldn't want the guy that's going to propose to me having slept with two girls the night before it usually happens happens.
Happy bachelor party. It usually happens.
Anyways. So this week on Summer House, we have what Jesse and Lexi kind of talking about their relationship.
You have Jesse asking Lexi if I can't say this seriously with a straight face. But you have Jesse asking Lexi, hey, so next weekend, do you want to share a bed, like share a room together, be roommates? And she's like, no, for sure.
I just want to make sure that we're like on the same page that like we're like only seeing each other like working towards that and then he was like whoa whoa i think we're moving too fast yeah that was like kind of one of those like i had to pause it being like the double standard here where you're the one trying to play house for the weekend because you're trying to get laid for the full weekend the second she's like just making sure you're not doing it with anybody else you're making my love is blind point okay we're back i'm just saying but like you're i agree i agree with you but like welcome to 2025 where like sex is like i mean we're just talking about sex and people like are like no biggie when they're like do you want to fuck tonight she's putting her expectations up front yeah and dave and lauren did not have that i'm talking about the just the conversation and how we as society like approach sex and jesse is approaching sex just like i guess and in some ways similar to lauren which is like hey we're just fucking we're just having some sex and like all of a sudden and then lexi's like well hey hold on like sure maybe i don't know i fuck it's only like i'm like i'm going but like if we do i want to set some like upfront expectations and jesse's like whoa hold on because jesse's like assuming that we can all take our clothes off exchange fluids and like that's not a big fucking deal but like if you want to start talking about feelings holy shit and yeah pump the brakes no i agree with that and that's that's my whole point on love is one but um i think it's different context but what about um when they were sitting in the living room and jesse had his hand all the way up her shirt just in public did anybody notice that You're just cupping a boob. I mean, that's the difference between like, if you're 6'5 and she thinks you're hot versus not.
Actually. What was going on with the whole Kyle rage texting page? Okay, so I guess Hannah had done some interview or something stating that the reason why she thinks she got fired from Summer House was because she posted for a competitor of lover boy and then craig obviously signed a deal with sprit society so he's now advertising for a different seltzer so he said he's honestly beyond discouraged with craig too that this topic or that this wouldn't be a topic today if it wasn't for him and about a dozen lies i can't believe this is where hannah is at three years later.
I'm fucking apeshit. So he is just pissed that like two people in her life are now promoting two opposing seltzer companies.
But at the same time, it's like for Paige, she's like, what the fuck? That's none of my fucking business. She responds being like, fuck you.
What have you ever supported a single look at the mess of the kitchen, it's always going to be lover boy cans

that we're toasting with,

that we're cheersing with,

that are left all over.

So he's, for some reason,

feels like he's entitled

to come to Paige

because her boyfriend

and her best friend

are doing other things

in their career

that she has no responsibility

over.

That doesn't revolve around Kyle.

What does he think

that Paige is doing wrong?

I guess supporting her friends,

supporting other business ventures

that don't support Kyle.

Why does she need

to support Kyle, period?

But even then,

she's at the rooftop

Thank you. doing wrong i guess supporting her friends supporting other business ventures that don't support kyle and as she needs to support kyle period but even then she's at the rooftop here for your dj set that i'm sure she has five on 500 other things she could be doing right now i don't know where kyle got the nerve but i think page handled it absolutely 100 correctly because it really she's like message them i mean I wonder what she said actually to Kyle.
I hope that it was this exact response. Oh, I mean, it looks like we're about to see that too because the teaser was something where he calls her two-faced and she's like, are you calling me fucking two-faced, Kyle? Like, coming back down the stairs.
What do we think of the new guy? Emeril? Yeah, he was like having sex with two and a half people in the night. What does that even mean? Two and a half people? Well, that's what he said.
No, when he said it, I was like, and then Kyle's like, no, this is a New Yorker through and through. And I was like, I couldn't hang.
I'm guessing he's the one who's like in this threesome that apparently happens. I think he has to be.
We know, yeah. We know it's one of the new guys.
So him. And he mentioned a swing and he's saying how sex parties aren't as fun as you think they would be Where I'm like I don't know who told you that they would be fun Because that sounds like my nightmare How do you get invited to a sex party? Who do you have to know? I think you have to be a certain caliber of person For somebody to walk up to and be like hey You seem like you would enjoy this But is it like a secret invite? Do you know anyone who's been to one? I don't know anybody that's been to one, but I've definitely seen like blind items about them where it's like, you have to have a password.
Yeah, but how do you, where does that conversation even start? I don't know. I don't know.
And I'm actually very happy that I don't. I could try.
You're not remotely curious? Not to go, but like, I just want to know how someone like got recruited. Not at all.
And As I said, I'm very happy I don't fit the mold of invites. Do you just hang a pineapple outside of your door and hope for the best? I guess so.
Come to my dungeon party. Post yourself in a mask and a thong and see what happens.
I don't know. Is anyone sad to see Tom Sandoval go other than me on Traders? It was a pretty good He had a great run He's redeemed himself In his self-aware kind of sign off goodbye I would love to see him do an interview though To be completely honest Because I'm just curious as to how his brain works Post Feeling like he's been validated And that people can hear him and listen to him And that his words have meaning Well you know what to expect from Tom He's fine And Gabby absolutely ate at the round table Finally Danielle had some competition Oh my god I'll hire her for my lawyer She said now can I speak I'm not done yet And then what did she say She said I'm not saying I'm dumb Oh yeah when she was like I think that you're like not as She said I think you're really smart Yeah Yeah, I think you're really smart.
She's like, I'm not saying I'm dumb. No one ever said that.
And let me continue. I'm excited.
We ended with a cliffhanger. So a lot's going to happen next episode.
Because next episode is the last episode? We find out if Brittany voted for Danielle or Ivor. What do we think? Well, you have Danielle out there on social media teasing that she's safe like telling telling her fans not to worry now I don't know if that's her just being a really shitty contestant who's spoiling it for the fans and when it would have been amazing television for Britney to vote for Danielle I hope Britney is amazing television the way that she said that she thought she saw Dolores kind of give her an eye and shake her head or like saying that she was voting for Danielle,

that's why I think she's voting for Danielle.

And I think this would also be kind of interesting

because didn't she like double-cross Danielle

on the last show that they were at?

So it's like her thinking that she's siding

with like group mentality

and still ends up double-crossing her

would be a good television for me.

If Brittany doesn't vote for Danielle,

she's obviously a traitor.

Brittany.

That too.

So it's like she has to save herself.

But then we find out whoever this like seer is

Thank you. good television for me.
If Brittany doesn't vote for Danielle she's obviously a traitor. That too.
So it's like she has to save herself.

But then we find out whoever this like seer is

and like whoever got the most points which I

feel like is Danielle because she got

the like 2,000 points here.

Everyone else kind of lost points. She did

the whole gold thing. Like I think

she's got to be the seer. She has to be.

And if she goes home then maybe they would

just pass it down to the next person with the most.

We'll see. Well we do have

Carolyn up next to give us a little bit more insider tea and all the things that went down in the castle it was a chaotic interview obviously with uh carolyn uh coming in and then me having to leave 10 minutes later but uh we were able to cross paths i got to meet her in person she like we said at the top of the episode, is just a fascinating human being. And you don't really know what to expect.
But we got a chance to talk with her. Sierra and Justin finished the interview.
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Your savings, your way. Carolyn, I love you.
Great. I don't care.
It's fine. I've got to catch a flight.
The one guy everyone hates me.

Come on, Carolyn, sit down.

I gotta go to Alex.

Hurry up.

I have to catch a flight.

Carolyn, run, run, run, run.

I love her so much.

Where did she go? Get in here. We're so excited to talk with you, Carolyn.
How are you? Carolyn just got in from LAX. I have to leave promptly for LAX.
We're crossing paths in LA, but I had to stay behind at the risk of pissing off my entire family. So I'm looking at that picture again, and I'm thinking it all over again.
It's a mix between Pilot Pete. I've gotten that a lot too.
It's a mix between Pilot Pete and that other guy that I just said. You don't get that a lot? I'm sure all the time.
I got James Franco years ago. Lately, I've gotten Theo Vaughn.
I used to get Ryan Reynolds. But yeah, I'll take any of them.
Wow. So yeah, thanks for having me.
And honestly, I do better with chaos. So this is great.
Great. I know you seem very zen.
I do. I'm so used to it.
It's like, let's go. Well, I can talk to you for hours, but we only have like 10 minutes.
So what do you want to do this? So you tell me. Talk your shit.
See, here's the deal. I'm leaving.
I have a lot of like mentors right now. Mentors? Yes.
Okay. So Boston Rob, Wes.
Yeah. And so I'm in this like balancing act of like, Carolyn, like you're leaving.
Because I don't want to be some bitter bitch who is like in the game. I already get made fun of enough for being so emotional.
Like, doesn't she know what she's doing out there? Doesn't she know she's playing a game? Yes, I do. But the traitors is different.
we're not playing like a big brother survivor this is different so yeah but i'll always cry in everything and then i'm okay i don't get what people are so freaked out by by like crying too it's the internet carolyn let me get oh i'm doing just fine i stopped listening to the internet long oh i don't read but people will even know, like, the I'll know, like, okay, everyone loves you or everyone hates you or everyone's pissed about this or everyone other than that. But I'm trying to, like, leave on a good note.
Here's all that matters. You were excellent television.
Thank you. We enjoyed watching you.
Do you think like, do you think I thought that, like, I don't, you're used to being around people and, like, you have a lot of who was just on this show. It was like someone really big, apparently.
You're used to it. I'm not.
I'm from Minnesota. I'm from Wisconsin.
Oh, that changes a lot then. Okay.
Nevermind. Then like, how did you, so it takes a while to get used to this stuff, right? I mean, you know, you don't know much about me, but like the long time ago i was on the bachelorette and i was a villain by many people one of the most hated of all time why it doesn't matter because it's really tv who cares if it's the bachelor you can you get you get shit on for like breathing the wrong way and then i just didn't give a fuck i've never really give to fuck in most of my life and i sense that's similar to you but like i just don't care you know absolutely but i i am like that's the thing i'm a very emotional person and i have so much empathy and so even if somebody like screws me over let me like have my minute to be like oh and then i'm gonna like it hurts me if i'm hurting you so i don't like it but i don't read a whole ton of crap like you know i'm saying i'm just texting my wife, I'm not ignoring you.
You're stupid. I'm listening.

But my point, too too i'll just talk my point too is like you you're used to like i show up in this castle i don't know who a lot of the people are and i'm scared i'm really really nervous because it's not what i'm used to it's not like i don't selling sunset or any of these big shows people are so used to like even being on on tv being on camera and so i'm not kidding you you know how many times i was like what is what are people's real personalities because it's like the camera comes out and then i don't have that who is the most disingenuine person of the cast who is the most on camera on i, honestly, Danielle was one of them. And I don't want to just say that because I don't like her, but it was just a very- But you don't.
No, no, no, no, no. I don't.
I didn't expect it. So, for example, I would say, like, Bob the Dread Queen, it really is, like, the same person on and off camera.
Chrishell, she is just very good at like, you know, saying the things and being so she's polished period. Yes.
Because she's been doing this, but there weren't like, there's just like with Danielle. I'm like, I did not expect this.
Like we go. Cause one-on-one I'm like, okay, yeah, we're getting along.
And then in the turret, it was just, and I, I completely just took that as like somebody who's like playing there. Like she's trying to do like, well, you know, maybe what Phaedra did or like, because when they picked me as a traitor, I said, I'm not an actress.
I'm not going to be like murder or talking like that. I'm just going to be like myself.
I'm sure they were like, we don't need you to be your. No, I know.
Right. Like, but I did.
I was like, so I felt like, okay, there's people that are going to like I expected because that's what always bothered me about reality TV. Good is you go on reality TV and people aren't real.
And I know. Is that sound stupid? It's true.
And so I didn't with Survivor. It's like people are just so raw and like you really can't hide much.
You're all out there. I knew it would be a bunch of people who just want screen time.
And like, what do I need? I wasn't thinking like that. Like, what do I go out there and say to make sure that I'm getting the airtime? A lot of people think like that.
What did you think of Danielle swearing on kids and grandkids and all these people? And you know what? You don't have to whisper. Say it with your chest.
Like here, I'm going to be honest with you, Nick, because it is hard because she's getting so much hate right now that it has, like, because, yeah, I've had a lot of poems about her, and I was, like, pissed. But at the end of the day, it's like, okay, it's a game, Carolyn, but I don't believe that.
That's just what I'm told. The swearing on your grandkids thing.
So again, I have a hard time talking crap because

she's already getting so much hate, so it sucks. But here's my opinion outside of the shit talking

is that when I watched The Traitors and I know we're only on season three, I just didn't expect

anyone to go to that level. Oh, well, here's the deal.
We're playing a game. And I never even knew

what the prize pot was at. I'm not rich, but girl, girl, you were going, like, I'm not going to do anything like, like, it was just not like, and I truly thought that this was a game like to have fun.
And for me, good. People watch like Big Brother and these shows and it's like, almost like go watch football or something.
I don't watch it for like the strategy or, oh, you did. I don't like have some strategy, but I don't give a shit about like this move or this move.
I don't. I want to be entertained and I don't get entertained by that.
And so it was hard for me. I didn't think that, I didn't think like we needed to go to that level with the people that we were playing with.
And I'm not saying the people we're playing with aren't intelligent, but what I'm saying is like,

you think Dolores thinks that people do that?

No!

Or Lord Ivar?

They don't.

And Chrishell?

So seeing Chrishell,

and that's when I really knew,

I was like,

she had tears in her eyes.

Tears.

And I'm like,

I wouldn't be able to sleep at night

if I was doing that good.

And you're like,

well, that's the game.

That's Big Brother. That's other shit.
Not shit not the traitors is yeah I would definitely not even if like I was a faithful and someone asked me to swear on anyone anything of value if I was a faithful I just I'd be like no it's stupid it's like no like I wouldn't like I would be offended by that position but the argument is like that that's the gamers versus non-gamers and that's like you do what you gotta do to win that's how those big brother fans are I mean that's a little nuts I don't care that much I think I've been obvious I've become a fan of the show I've watched it like they've asked me the show in the past I haven't been able to make it work I hope someday I'll have a chance to do it in the future but like I wouldn't I wouldn't care that't care that much. To swear on my kids' life.
No, I know, exactly. Like, again.
I would care. I would try.
I would have fun. I'd get into it.
But like the moment someone was like, swear on your kids. I'm like, fuck off.
It's not that serious. It's not that.
And so for me, I was coming off of a hard year. And you know what? I was excited when I got that call because I'm not some two-time winner.
I'm not some freaking survivor champion Hall of Fame. So I was freaking excited.
I just wanted to go wild, bust out. And so it just, it did.
It sucked. I thought that it was a show for like fun.
I mean, we're in a freaking castle. We got Lala.
We got like, come on. So, but it was a great time.
You hated it. No.
I'm had fun i had fun but i could have had more fun if it wasn't so serious and again and i don't want to say this i don't want to be like the gamers are ruining the show i don't want to i don't think that they're ruining the show but it doesn't need to be taken to that level of like it takes the fun out of it because at the end of the day you you want to watch people having fun on a TV show, not like taking like personal attacks or like swearing on their kid. That becomes icky, in my opinion, which is probably why they edited it out.
Did you have a harder time watching it or doing it? Oh, girl, doing it, watching it. Like I don't and I really don't get embarrassed easily.
I could literally like shit on this couch right now. I'd rather you not.
What did you do? It did happen out there. It was expensive.
But like with something else. But anyway, like I didn't.
You shit your pants out there? No, I got my period on the breakfast chair. The first, and I don't, is that inappropriate? Not at all.
Not for us. And you know, so you try going to breakfast.
You You're a woman. You understand.
I go down to breakfast. This is my first breakfast.
I'm wearing a yellow skirt and I'm excited. I'm feeling cute.
They already had to tape my nipples to the thing and my bra was coming off. So I was already a little bit stressed.
But it's my first breakfast where I have to like, hi, I get up and I there's like a murder scene. And I'm like, oh, my, oh my God, what do I do? And thankfully Dolores helped me.
But like, yeah, I literally like, I am a murderer and I have blood all over me and I am. Yeah.
They're like, wow, she's a traitor. Oh my God, I die.
So yeah, that's the type of shit that just happens to me. But even then I didn't get like.
Blood on your hands. Yeah.
Sorry, I could go on. It's nasty, but no, I am grateful for the experience because it is such a huge freaking show.
And it's so incredible. And when you're out there, it's gorgeous.
It's beautiful. It's a cool show.
So no monsters are going to ruin that for me. I could ask so many questions, but I have to go.
But yeah, you got to go. Girl.
I'm going to leave. If you guys have more questions.
Great. Ask Caroline.
Thank you for making the time. Yeah, this was like, girl.
I was like, I'm not coming from you guys have more questions Great Ask Caroline Thank you for making the time Yeah this was like Girl I was like I'm not coming from the airport But no Caroline it's been so much fun Thanks for taking the time Girl my name's Caroline Caroline that's what I said I didn't want to correct you But like cause you're I get bad with names I've told him so many times What am I saying Caroline You're still changing it I'm saying Caroline It's okay We've got multiple shows Where it's Carolina Caroline Caroline And he says them all interchangeably. No one gets my last name right.
How do you say it? Great question. How is it? It's vial.
People say vial. Vail.
Girl, that's because you literally rhyme your show with girl. Like vial, vial.
I'm an idiot. What do you want me to say? I thought this was a crime pod i'm like when when they asked if i wanted to do the vile files i was like i'm not doing some like investigation discovery shit maybe that's our problem maybe we have a marketing problem you know what i'm saying the vile files i thought this was some sort of a like i started a podcast six years ago.
Topher Grace gave me the idea of the name. I was like, cool, that rhymes.
And then if I knew the show would be as big and successful as it was, I would have thought of something different. So no, you're doing a great job.
I'm jealous. So that's the truth.
That's too late for a rebrand. Carolyn, did I get it right? Thanks for having me, Nick.
I love you. I'm so sorry i have to go no it's all good i'm really grateful to be here well can i just say you're my favorite on traders i haven't seen a single episode of survivor wow you want to watch it we'll tell say that to jeff ropes that's really bring her back because stars not even that but like that this show like it truly this brings other people in who's never and i've had so many people reach out to me it was like i never saw survivor and now i'm watching so it is it's true it brings to because again like people warn me like okay like there's different fan communities like the bravo people the and i've been now exposed to like all yeah it's it's interesting every little community is different would you say that the survivors are grouped into like the gamer tag of it all i feel like okay yes the gamers but i feel like big brother though is like its own which is so crazy it's both cbs it's both like the gamer category but i feel like, the Big Brother like fandom, it's just it's that's a different.
I don't even know what that's on. Because I mean, the whole point of like Big Brother is like being manipulative and like trying to get people out.
But you're all like living in a house together. I'm like, at least Survivor, it's like you're trying to survive and then vote people out.
At least I can get the hell away from these people. Like, I would never be able to do Big Brother.
And it ain't even about the live feeds and all that bullshit.

It's about being trapped in a house. Yep.
You. My nightmare.
No. And even on traders, like I could at least like because I would I would get like usually I would just say like I like poop my pants or something truly and just go and just get a minute alone or get.
I need i cannot be around i can't be on 24 7 i can't and it is it's so much in a day that like it's it is it's hard so on big brother hell no no but the gaming level of like yeah no uh-uh what's like going through your mind especially your last episode episode? While everybody's trying to figure out who's getting murdered or who they think traitors are, what's going through your mind while you're sitting there knowing that you are a traitor and hearing everybody's theories or guesses? Wait, hold on. Were we talking about the last episode? Yeah, the last episode specifically, but even just any breakfast in general.
That's the thing. It's oh.
So my whole thing always this was my plan because I'm like, if we're if OK, we're all we're supposedly face faithful. So like, let's just go with the evidence.
Unfortunately, the evidence typically is just like someone sneezed in a certain direction or something just so stupid. And so that but it's like you take hold of it.
So one that was my plan. That was my what I was going to do.
So one person. So like Robin, I remember I had said something about Wells.
I'm like, OK, yeah, sure. It was early on.
Like, who cares? And so, OK, make it stick. And that's why I felt like I had so much on Danielle when I finally was going for her that I was like, but I couldn't make it stick.
I couldn't make it stick. And then I do, I believe at the end, like people just knew she was a traitor, not all of them, but some.
And so I get like, whatever, but early on, it's kind of, and then the theories, the cage theory and all this, like it's, and it is, it's not fun playing like that. I would much rather like vote people out because, yeah, they sneezed that day or something.
It's these theories in these. But I tried to play the game with like, let's just follow the evidence.
And it's like, girl, I just wanted to have fun, truly. How hard was it working on a team of traders that couldn't get on the same page? And was including rob and danielle bob the drag queen was like okay i've watched the show i've watched all the seasons i've watched the uk the outlet all of them and i'm like yeah i am a fan and i do own a cloak and i sleep in it and i'm like that was a dream i was excited my whole thing going in was like I'm not going to go for them until they come for me or they like, or, or until it becomes so obvious that one of them are a traitor, then like, yep, I'll throw them under the bus.
Like, or I'll vote along with it, but I'm not going to like, that was never, but we start going for each other so quick. And again, I didn't see it.
Like, I understand where Rob was coming from now, but out there. No, I was like, your ego.
And like, honestly, coming off of my like own like whole era of like, don't you tell me what to do? I'm an independent. Like, I was bringing a whole ton of that in there.
And I've seen Boston Rob Seasons and I'm like, I don't want to be your Philip because that was like he had his little like person on the side. I was like, no, I don't want.
And it was a lot of my own shit of like, I don't trust a man. I don't.
And especially one who is like Boston Rob. Good.
You're too good. And I was intimidated.
I was jealous of him. Good.
So I'm like, you can talk perfect. You can even that round table where he went.
I didn't want him gone. I had written him a poem.
I just didn't get a chance to read it to him in person yet. But I didn't want him to go.
But it would like truly certain things would trigger me, like the way people treated Tom. Because I saw a lot of myself in Tom.
And good. And I shouldn't see it's like the cool thing to do right now is to make fun of Tom.
The cool thing to do is to, you know, he's a, you know, dirtball and he's a narcissist and he's all like, I love Tom and I don't like cancel me tomorrow. I don't like I will say that out loud because I truly don't believe that any person anyone ever deserves to be judged forever by their past.

I am somebody who has a I don't have a good past. I used to hate myself.
I used to not like the person I was. I've done some bad things that I'm not proud of.
So has Tom. And it's like, how long does this person have to like be punished? So again, I'm not going to like, there's people who don't like him for certain, and that's fine.
Like, go ahead and not like him. You may have like a personal experience with him, but my experience with him, I loved him.
So when people weren't listening to him, it like even though I was wanting to work with Rob, I mean, I wasn't going to like go above and beyond to save him because I couldn't. The way that Tom, like he's saying valid points, he's saying things that did make sense that day, but nobody would listen to him because it was Tom.
And so I spoke up and I'm like, just like he did this group mentality of like, and I get jealous of people like, I'm just being real. This is like embarrassing, but it I just was like I'm so sick of you sounding so perfect and sounding and again he is he's a great person and a great but out there I was I was I was like I can never talk like that I could never be like that eloquent speaker and you know what somebody who's like a little bit weird and quirky like Tom no one's gonna listen to so again i saw myself in that and i'm like just shut up and let him talk yes was he as sweaty in person as we saw on tv yeah just at the beginning um but you know what i'm saying i like literally got my period on the breakfast chair so it's like who the hell okay you know what i'm saying we all like we're all humans who the hell hasn't sweat here you know what I'm saying? And I'm not trying to be like, who the hell? Okay.
You know what I'm saying? We all like, we're all humans. Who the hell hasn't sweat here? You know what I'm saying? And I'm not trying to be like, okay, but he literally was wearing like a gray.
That is the worst color to wear. And the man lost his bag or his luggage wasn't there yet.
He did not have any clothing. So it's like he was working with what he could work with and wearing that hot ass sweater it was like literally thicker than and then he's wearing a gray t-shirt yeah i love tom and i truly believe and i've told him this a million times i was like you are freaky like you're a weirdo he is a weirdo in the best way though and i love freaks and i love weirdos and i love people who are different.
I from the minute like and I'm like, oh, so I always love just like fucking around with him and scaring him and I'd like be spying on him and doing weird shit. I loved him, but he opened up about like his struggles and what it just just crap.
And again, what drew me to him, though, was I saw myself in him. I saw like the people not taking him seriously.
I've experienced all of that. Yeah.
There's many times out there where I felt like the female Tom.

Because you did say that during the chess game or something you were saying how like nobody listens to you. So here and then Dylan, like, sorry, don't be you like girl.
You see me and Dylan talking and he's like, I know and I hate that I because I go, if I were Boston Rob, would you be listening right now? He's like, I know and I hate that I've been doing this to you, not listening. Then you hear him say before that he's talking about how nobody thinks that but Carolyn, that's a bunch of bullshit.
That's not girl. We've seen it.
People not listening to me like stop. But anyway, he with that chest thing and this is like the human part of me because I can never play any of these damn games I don't care how much the prize pot is I don't care how I can never play and and I can't separate it I try and then it just I can't Tom was on a mission to redeem himself right Tom was on this I'm gonna be a faithful he took it very seriously as we saw in the lullaby thing he was trying really hard I remember I was like for me like I ain't gonna be running really hard you're not gonna catch me no way I love Kate style of like just like throwing stuff and like I'm not hauling all this gunpowder because I know that there's about five other macho men who want to have that moment and that shot of them running.
Let them. I told Gabby, I'm like, girl, we can take a break right here, hauling that brigade.
I don't care. I don't care if my head's up there.
I'm a traitor. But like, I just didn't care when it came to that.
So with Tom, Tom was trying. He was trying.
So for me, I'm like, when he said like, oh, he's the leader had said, I think he had answered it first that he could be the leader. Okay.
I just wanted for one moment for Tom to not fucking feel alone and feel like there was somebody else on that cast who believed in him. That's the truth.
That is my heart talking. And I wanted somebody to I wanted him to just feel for one fucking second that he was not alone in thinking that he could be this leader.
Yeah. And I know that's like good.
And like, again, obviously it's like we see him mess up a lot and we see him like, I don't care. I love it.
And I really hope that even as he watches this back, it's like, I feel like this has helped him. I feel like it's kind of made him like a little bit lovable.
Yeah. Should I shut up about Tom? I do.
I think he's great. And I just don't think that anyone needs to be punished, you know, the rest of their life.
The doll challenge, I feel like made him so endearing because he really was trying so hard. I mean, I don't know if they put this on, but he was like warming up.
And I was like, I couldn't believe it. But again, and so when other people would be like side-eyeing him, I would be like,

go Tom.

And I wasn't doing it in like a condescending like me.

I would always tell people, shut up. Because I get those looks too.

And you saw it during the season.

I get that all the time.

So I can just relate to that.

And I just, I loved him.

Good.

Put me in prison.

I do really respect this about you because I know when you were banished, you had your kind of little speech of like being judged for being different or being quirky like we're more than just that like we are humans you can like see us past that and I respect that that you're like taking an inclusive approach of seeing people for who they are beyond what's not the norm and I loved Nikki's had Nikki had a similar like of just because people were judging her and thinking that she was going to like it's like seriously, Wes, because Wes expected her to like come out apparently in a wrestling outfit. Like table slam him.
Like, oh, my gosh. And I'm thinking like this isn't the wrestling ring, but I'm a traitor.
And so I'm like, yeah, it's Nikki. But Nikki was set like because Nikki was pretty quiet when she was out there.
She was pretty reserved. She had her people.
You know what I'm saying? Nikki is not... This is not the...
What does she wrestle for? The WWE? Yeah. This isn't the wrestling ring, but she said that.
I loved her speech. I thought it was beautiful because it is so true.
We have these... And I did it.
I'm not going to lie. I did it to people out there where I judged them or I thought they, I thought Wes was a freaking asshole.

I was like,

you,

he was one of the first people

that I was like,

oh my gosh,

I was wrong.

You are not an asshole.

You are blah, blah, blah.

Same with Boston Rob.

Really?

Absolutely.

Wes is a sweetheart?

I thought he was amazing.

I thought that

I had a good experience with him

because I know too,

isn't there like

some aggressive talk or something? Like I didn't have that experience. But even like when I watched the show back and saw even like how Boston Rob talked with Brichelle, I'm thinking in my head, like we did we me and Boston Rob did not have that type of relationship.
But at the same time, I'm a traitor like with Boston Rob. Right.
You have to like spend time and have your little like alliances and whatnot. But But in Boston Robb's defense, we never had the time to actually sit down.
And it was always like, quick, what are we going to do? Go. And that's it.
So of course. But with Wes, I just found him again.
His jokes and my opinion, not everyone understood his humor. But I thought he was the first the first thing i said to him i'm like how the hell have you been doing this for this long and he's like carolyn i am dead inside or he was like but he's like i have to just separate it and he's like he always calls himself a sociopath and i'm like you're not first of all he really is he is somebody who has helped me a lot even after the game

and I just I do I think he's a great

person I think he like turns it on and off

for GV but truly is

even out there I saw a very

kind person because he knew who

I was from Survivor and

he's like

yep you're the one who just makes all those faces

and I'm like I'm more than that Wes

but no I thought he was great. Do you think, because you've talked about group mentality, that there's a popular kids group in the castle? Oh, girl.
Yeah, I was trying to get in with those Bambis from Hawaii. The Bambis, okay.
Yeah, the Bambis. Girl.
Yeah. And again, but at the same time, it's exhausting to...
Here's the truth.

I had some really moments off camera with people where it was like, oh my gosh, I'm connecting with them. And I would just feel gross.
And make fun of me. I don't care.
It felt so icky. to, I know we're not actually murdering them, but for this, the only way I would have been

able to do this role of a traitor is if I could just, again, keep it light and blah, blah, blah. But it felt so unfair to be doing this with a Tom or a housewife.
Or do you get what I'm saying? It felt so gross because they are not, well, maybe they should be used to it then, Carolyn. I don't care.
It felt icky. So when I would like bond with these people, I felt gross inside.
So when I'd be crying, like, and this is like off camera conversations of like real life stuff going on where I'm connecting. I'm thinking like Dolores specifically.
She knew some just stuff that was going on in my life and we're crying. And then I'm like, oh, my God, and I just murdered Robin.
And it felt like good. I don't care.
It didn't feel good for me. So when I said I wanted to be a traitor, I wanted to be a traitor, but I thought that, and I even asked Sandra before the show, I said, are people like, because when you watch, there's not a whole ton of backstory or like, because on Survivor, it's like, this is what I went through in a comp.
It talks about just my life. I thought with traitors, I'm like, they don't do that shit here.
So even when there were times where I was talking, because there's times where it's like, okay, just save that for the camera or whatever. I was like, do you guys even give a shit about this past stuff or my trauma? Like, do you get what I mean? I didn't think, I thought this show was just like upbeat and fun and whatever, you know what I'm saying? So I was like, they're not going to use that anyway.
But I would have those, like, Sandra had said like, oh yeah, no girl, like we're just playing and it's like, blah, blah, blah. No, like again, there are people who obviously are going, and i'm not saying it's not okay to emotionally manipulate people i just can't i i could do that in survivor with other gaming people it just felt icky in that environment so when i would connect and and it just felt like wrong yeah you're making me think of mj last season where it's like she's from bravo and she got played last minute the two gamers left, Trichelle and CT.
And like for me as a viewer, I was I felt so betrayed for her. I was.
Yeah, that was. And then people.
And this is what I hate to like shut up and let her feel it. Like let her.
You know what I'm saying? It's like that hurt. I was even shocked.
I was like, come on. She's clear.
Like y'all knew what it that's the game. I don't care care i don't like watching games like that let's all win together then i don't care good we all and i guess i can respect how other people feel too that's just not how i feel and i did not when i would see like danielle crying to that extreme i'm like girl i don't like this i don't want to do that and And so I was like, the only way I can do this is if I try to keep it surface level or if I try to just, hi-ha.
And so I really did. I was like, just do the best that you can and have the, how are you doing, bullshit conversations.
But that sucks, too. Yeah.
From the chess game, when did you kind of realize that danielle had no you didn't no i we're sorry finish i was just know if you realize that danielle double crossed you or that you outed yourself with helping tom with the answer okay no here's the deal that was me believing in tom okay yeah good i put that answer because it was freaking funny like that's the thing you could like create a million different scenarios with like when she was like see i set her up with that britney one because britney i'm close with britney blah blah blah and that makes it look suspicious yeah girl gabby was picked for the two-faced one two, I don't think that was on there. Gabby was picked for the two-face one.
But I don't talk like that. I'm not going to go in my damn confessional and be like, you see here, I'm close to Gabby.
And that's going to put suspicion on Danielle. No, I don't.
I was like, well, that's me. So no, So did any time and I would say this even when we were thinking of like who to murder I was like I almost need to do the damn opposite of anything that this person says that's how I felt so that's why I say I think there's a confessional where I say something like I'm like overthinking everything so if she's agreeing to something I'm thinking like, oh, my gosh, no, then that's that I should do the opposite.
So do you try like thinking like that? But when it came, I willingly put myself as the like loud voice where no one listens to voice because this was my thought. OK, my thought was like, I'm so loud about this.
I am so loud about me And nobody did that. It would look way too freaking like that is like the double obvious of like a traitor would never freaking put themselves as that position is I am a loud ass one being like no one listens to me.
So in my opinion, they clearly just thought I was a complete fucking idiot. That's my opinion.
Sorry. Clearly, if they're like with the Carol and put herself there.
My problem, yes, I answered it because that's what we were doing. We were going off of whether I believe it or not.
So again, because Dylan's like, nope, that's not what everyone thinks. Yes, it is.
First off. But second, we were going off of like the read of the room.
And recently I had been or I had been saying it so much. So it was like, okay, well, I guess I always say that.
So that could be an answer. Just like Sierra had said, Brittany's going under the radar or whatever.
Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Like the read of like what, what just happened? What just happened? No, but yeah, the only suspicious thing I did was argue with Dolores.
Okay. And then stand up for Tom too much.
Good. That's my heart talking.
Yeah. And I don't regret it.
I never felt like suspicious. But again, that wasn't enough to give me like, it's all good.
Like truly. So were you shocked by Danielle's turning on you at the round table? Yes.
I like, girl, I was not, I wasn't, I wasn't prepared, but I'm not going to, I was too hard on myself. Like I always am.
and when, girl, I was not I wasn't I wasn't prepared, but I'm not going to I was too hard on myself like I always am. And when I say like I wasn't ready, like I wasn't prepared for like just a lot of the stuff that she said because I felt like it was so crazy that I was like, this is not happening because I felt so gaslit.
where it's like, and then I'm saying things and it was just flipped around like,

like, oh, I've been scared and Jeremy.

And I'm like, wait how how is this happening I was in shock yeah to be honest because I truly wanted to just wait because it's scary like again I'm playing I I love Tom but I knew I couldn't depend on Tom you think I'm gonna be like yo Tom like before you're like can I count on you it this ain't like Survivor where you can freaking do that and like pull together numbers you can't some well I guess Boston Rob can yeah I can't and so before that round table first of all there was not time so I had talked to Gabby and I talked to Dylan okay that Lord I I knew Dolores Dolores was not like, I'm like, girl, she ain't going to vote for Danielle. Tom, I knew I couldn't depend on, but I figured he could at least read the room long enough to like understand like, this is where the vote was going and like pick me.
But I didn't think, I just didn't think I'd be out. I really didn't.
So we have a plan, Carolyn. I didn't freaking need one because I literally have been and I didn't think of the chess crap as like, I gave it all away.
So you know what I'm saying? I was not.

And again, like, girl, she's like, you photoshopped a picture of a or you photoshopped your head on the body of a traitor. think i can tell lord ivor or dolores or anyone else there that like hey the season two cast they're all wearing cloaks janelle wasn't a traitor though i just used her body when i photoshopped my face on it you know i was embarrassed i was like looking at alan like oh my god and she owns a cloak a cloak.
Yeah, I do, girl. I sleep in it.
I think they're just authentic. That's how I read it.
But it was just like, can you imagine? How am I supposed to... But it was so ridiculous, the stuff that I was like...
I just remember looking at Alan and feeling so embarrassed because I'm like, yeah, I do sleep in a cloak, Alan. It was just, it was, yeah.
Would you say that a lot of the distrust within the traders came from like Danielle playing games? Really? When I think about this, honestly, thankfully Boston Rob did that. Otherwise, it kind of, well, no, then Dylan had obviously told me that Danielle's throwing my name out.
And I found out that started like the crazy, but I understand why he did that, but I don't care what anybody says. Once somebody does that to you, it's really hard to be like, alright, let's play.
Let's play together and move on. She kept doing it too.
But then, I know to the audience though, they don't really hear it. It's like, I've been trying, but Carolyn's unstable.
Yeah, I am unstable now. Well, you've got reunion coming up.
Yeah, I'm excited. I'm lying.
I'm lying. And here's why.
Things do hurt me. But again, I write about it.
I journal about it. And then it was the same way on Survivor where I had my meltdown.
It's like people don't realize that these games, like it's a lot and I play as myself.

So things hurt. OK, things hurt.
And I would like argue in my head like, well, Carolyn, this is a part of your strategy. But it's like, yeah, but it's myself.
And so when I see the side eyes and when I but it helps you in the game, it doesn't mean that it doesn't hurt my feelings. It doesn't mean that words don't hurt still.
And again, it's like at the end of the day, at the like, what do I change? What do I get to change? Because I might get far in the game. But if nobody is actually respecting you or taking you seriously, then what is the point? What's the point? So it's like, I don't like what, what do, but I don't want to change.
Good. I, oh, well, so I'm excited, but I'm, um.
Do you have things prepared that you want to hash out or? Nope. Nope.
And you know what? And I said this, I said this before the traders, I was like, because I do trip over my words. I am a, I have a slow processing speed.
I am somebody who needs a minute. And I get really triggered by people yelling at me.
And I get really triggered by people talking down to me like, you don't know my life and what like, and that's the thing. We don't know what people have been through before you.
And when you're talked to like that, it's like, girl. So what was I saying? Like, yeah, this reunion.
Yeah, it's hard. So like going into this, it's like, oh, I always I.

So like for final travel at Survivor, I was like, I'm just going to speak from my heart.

It's like, what am I going to learn? But I don't really give a shit. Like, I'm not changing.

And I said I said I was like, I wonder if I should take some debate classes before the traders and just like because I want to sound polished sometimes.

I want to talk to classes before the traders and just like, because I want to sound polished sometimes. I want to sound like Boston Rob sometimes.
But then I wouldn't be me, you know? So it's like, but like, so I guess I'll just like, like cast me again and I'll make it to episode. You know what I mean? I don't know.
I don't know what to do. But like, yes, sometimes I wish that I didn't react so emotionally.
Sometimes I wish that, but again, at the end of the day, like that's me and I couldn't, like, I don't know I don't know what to do but like yes sometimes I wish that I didn't react so emotionally sometimes I wish that but again at the end of the day like that's me and I couldn't like I can't turn that off that's not a character that's not a so yeah comments hurt so going into the reunion I guess I should have like but yeah once again I'm not going to be prepared and we'll see how it goes but Boston Rob will will defend me. Well, we absolutely loved watching you on Traitors.
And I think you should stay being authentically yourself. Yes.
And please come back to Survivor and I'll watch my first season with you on it. Thank you.
Well, we're wishing you the best of luck for the reunion. Come back after.
Yeah. I'm excited.
I'm going to look cute. That's all I care about, to be honest be honest that's all that matters i don't really the rest like are we supposed to be yeah and i already know it's gonna be like that where it's gonna be like i don't want good let me be positive but that's not entertaining right it is for us i was gonna say i love it i love you so we love you i just don't want again, this is like, I had my moment after the show watching it.
Cause I was like, Ooh, but now I'm in a place where it's like, I don't want to read. Like there's nothing that anyone is going to say.
I don't need to rehash this again and be like, what'd you do? I don't like, I don't with her. I don't.
Not worth it. I feel good.
And I really do feel like, you know, I did my best. And again, it's not about that.
I'm not a gamer in that sense of like, this was my move. I don't give a shit and I don't care to like, no.
Smells like something in here, but I don't know what. It's those candles.
Why are they so big? So big. God.
So yeah, thank you. Thank you.
Thank you guys for listening. Hope you enjoyed this episode.
Thank you to our guests, Carolyn and Taylor, for joining us today. Don't forget, no going deeper tomorrow.
But there is one this Friday. We'll have one of the finalists from the traders on this Friday for an awesome going deeper deeper you will be it'll be exactly the person you hope it will be that's what i think that's what i think

tell me i'm wrong on friday uh that's this friday uh and again we're back on thursday's reality

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