E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus

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Individual results may vary. What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another jam-packed episode of the vile files reality recap edition i am your host nick and i could not be more excited about this episode let's just like preview exactly what we got going on first shortly in a few minutes have uh lauren from love is blind this season to basically help us clear up our great debate.
And who did. She did listen to our debate.
She did listen to our debate. So she does have a take on our debate.
She hates Nick. Yeah, no.
She does say she loves me. Anyway, so that is coming up shortly.
Lots of good information from Lauren. And yeah, I'm excited for you guys to hear that then we have the very

iconic chanel ion i can't wait to ask her is it i are we calling her ion is it chanel i don't know

she obviously shortly recently on her way here literally on her way here she was on a flight with

the one and only will smith posted a picture with him as she often does she gave her input

and opinion on mr smith himself so very excited to talk to her about all things Will Smith, traitors. Do you think he's been forgiven for slapping Chris Rock or no? In general by the public? Yeah.
I don't think anyone gives a fuck really. He still has a ban from the, he has a lifetime ban from the Oscars, which is kind of.
Well, I mean, as he should. Not really.
I did assault someone on stage. One of the funniest things I've ever seen in my life.
Oh, he said he was sorry god he said he was sorry yeah he slapped I mean listen it's not okay but like sometimes a comedian needs to get slapped I don't think if you punch someone you feel like you need to give them a lifetime ban from things you don't think the Oscar's like yeah sure Will Smith we can trust you to come back and not assault any of our presenters for sure come on back i think he learned his lesson and i feel like that's the most that was the most interesting the oscars has been in i don't know how long i think the oscars would do much better in ratings if it was also wwe smackdown for sure like i want to see timothy chalamet go up against um the brutalist guy the winner gets to slap all the other people while being like i just want to I want to shout out to all my nominees. I want Club Chalamet to throw hands in the audience.
Is he nominated for anything? Timothy? Yeah. He's nominated for everything.
Oh, Club Chalamet has been... For what? He can sing as good as Bob Dylan, which I guess is a pick.
I think we need to ban biopics as far as Oscar nominations. I agree.
Did you see that people think Millie Bobby Brown is going to be Britney Spears in her biopic? Because she posted one pic of her blonde hair. With blonde hair.
With some Y2Ks. It's going to be a no from me, dog.
I don't think they can do someone from England to play Britney. I'm sure she has a great little Southern.
Of course they can. No, come on.
We just talked about last on Tuesday how brilliantly Jason Isaacs is playing Thomas Ravenhoff. Speaking of Lotus though, Chris Pratt is super into his brother-in-law's cock.
They're not blood. They're not blood.
Sometimes when people say things publicly. He didn't say cock.
He said dick. For some reason, that word will always be jarring to me.
He said that dick. But it wasn't a prosthetic.
It was Patrick Schwarzenegger's real dick. Good for him.
Yeah, he said, I know where my eyes went. And good for Abby Champion, his fiance.
Was it big? It definitely was like... I mean, I saw it.
I watched the episode. I didn't pause and be like, oh, wow.
I was more focused on... I watched it while you were at work.
I was more focused on the brother being kind of into it. And I don't know what's going on with these siblings.
Was he kind of into it? He was definitely into it. He was having- That's weird.
He was confusion. It's a little ass shot.
It's Mike White. I'm over this whole incestual- Mike White has said that this family Well In the After the Like inside the episode thing Parker Posey was saying That Mike White Had told her That this family Was monkeys It's representative Of monkeys And like physical Aggression And stuff like that Which Okay There's been a lot of monkeys In pop culture recently Did Mike White watch Chimp Crazy? I need to know if Mike White watched Chimp Crazy.
Chimp Crazy. I loved that.
Severance is the most watched series on Apple TV plus history. It might be one of the best shows ever created.
Honestly, no, no, no. Mysterious and important.
No. Have y'all started watching Paradise on Hulu? No, but I've heard about it.
We watched it last night. We watched the first episode last night.
Uh-huh. I think it's gonna be, like,

one of the best. I think it's gonna,

I think... First of all, it's not gonna be one of the best.

It's gonna be fun and entertaining and, like,

I mean, who knows? I guess it could be. I mean, James

Marsden is in it. But, like, compared to Severance

and the mind fuck that that

is, and, like... But you don't think this is

also a mind fuck? No, I think it's...

Of how it's, like... I mean,

spoiler alert. It's...
Spoiled in the first episode. Like's it's it's about like a potential like asteroid or like a world with the world ending and like somehow they have to live under the ground after we're gonna live underground you know so there's so much more than it is like a big light that's like pointing down and it's everything it's giving embersity did you know there's a three percent chance that an asteroid is going to hit the Earth in like less than three years? And that used to be like a 1% chance.
Not anymore. Not anymore? It changed? I heard that it changed.
Is the asteroid kind of hit or not? I don't think we'll find out until it does. I don't know about this asteroid.
It says that it's no longer going to be hitting Earth. At least that's what my stepfather told me.
Maybe he was just trying to make me calm down. I don't know.
If an asteroid hits, we don't have to pay off our student loans. It was only 3%, so like a 1 in 40 chance or some 48.
CBS News, asteroid 2024 no longer poses significant threat to Earth in 2032. Oh, thank God.
Girl, that wasn't the next couple of years. What? Can we stop this conversation? Yeah, because I really want you guys' opinion on this.
Kate Hudson has admitted that she flirts with everybody, but her fiance is okay with it. I'm the biggest flirt on the planet, so I think anybody who's ever been with me is very aware I flirt with everybody.
Girls, boys, thank God Danny is my partner. He can handle this.
I met the right guy. I mean, if she met the right guy, then she met the right guy.
I think it's definitely a unique thing for them. I think it's interesting conversation because I think like me being from the South, it's very like, obviously people take being nice as flirting all the fucking time.
If I acted the same way I act in the South here in LA, like it would be scary because men would be like, you know, in the South you go to like the grocery store store and you're talking to like the bagger and they're like, oh my God, like, I love that shirt. You look handsome today.
Yes, sir. Like, oh, yes, sir.
And I was there. Yes.
You know, you have like a conversation, a little banter with someone, you make them laugh. If that happened in LA, they would like follow you to your car.
Yeah, sure. It's almost Trader Joe's.
I also think it's incredibly situational. Like if you were doing that with some random person, whatever, if you were doing that with someone who was 6'2", had a beard, a couple pats, more flannel, I would be like, maybe not.
I think the difference is Kate Hudson being like, she's not trying to take these people home or fuck them or kiss them. I think what Kate Hudson is saying is like she's nice and her way of nice is like taken as flirty okay question though is is Kate Hudson in

any way responsible regardless of what she thinks is appropriate like let's say it's a married

person someone in a relationship man woman doesn't really matter you know should she be mindful of

like how her quote-unquote flirtiness is received by any of these people she's flirting with well

Let's go. man woman doesn't really matter you know should she be mindful of like how her quote-unquote flirtiness is received by any of these people she's flirting with well i'm sure she's also i'm sure she's also flirting with their wife girlfriend partner as well yeah you know i'm sure she's being nice to everybody it's such a power move you get mad that someone's flirting with her boyfriend and then they start flirting with you too and there's a huge difference and I know they're right a lot of people will perceive niceness as flirting you know and it's definitely not flirting but there's also flirting that's straight up flirting no totally but is flirting what's the line with flirting as far as unfaithfulness I think if you have intentions of wanting to do something, if your intention is anything more than just being nice to someone.
If your intention is to receive some type of validation from this person, then it's completely inappropriate. If you're not thinking you're flirting, then it's not.
But if you're the kind of person that everyone, you're just naturally charming and charismatic and flirty and give and give people that sort of attention yeah but a lot of times that's just who you are sure but flirts and i've i've always been like a flirt there's an element of like you want it back you know there's a a banter yeah you know and and when i was just being nice you know if i might say oh you look great today like it's a beautiful dress or that's a cool i don't think i don't i don't say that's flirting. I'm just commenting on the dress.
If I say, oh, that looks sexy on you. Yeah.
Completely different. Yeah, if Kate Hudson is saying someone is looking sexy in the grocery store, maybe.
I want to be in that grocery store. I would like to be called sexy by Kate Hudson.
Well, Michaela Matthews from Mormon Wives is clapping back because, did we out what the what the critics were saying. Yeah.
So basically she had posted on Instagram sharing when like announcing that she was pregnant. And she was saying that she's like she felt like this baby was like healing her.
And she she is the one who is suffering from this kind of skin condition that she's been battling for years. Hasn't really been like get under control yes it's been really difficult for she calls it a chronic illness chronic illness yes and certain comments not like there were many comments on the post some of them were like very very supportive but there were some that like one of them said probably just needs more money on social media these youtubers make a lot of money showing their pregnancies cloud babies and And so she clapped back to them.
For whatever reason, people were so weird when I said that I hope this baby heals me. But I mean it when I say this baby has already brought me so much healing, both physically and mentally.
I hated every day being in my body and getting pregnant. I've come to appreciate my body and how hard it has worked the last couple of years to fight all the rashes, all the illness, and now to create bring our little baby into the world as someone who's at a front row seat to my mom having a handful of pregnancies and just like being lucky enough to be around women who have been pregnant like a pregnancy can be incredibly healing and therapeutic both physically and mentally and like i think it's just so fucking weird that someone would like have a diss criticize that, especially someone who really, truly has been struggling with her chronic illness that she's been struggling with.

And also like there's a huge difference between people who like talk about their family and

share their experiences if they're online versus like people who, you know, use their

kid as props and clearly are doing like skits with their kids. If you're teaching your kid a TikTok dance or a trend on TikTok, like that's exploiting your children.
Having your children be a part of your social media and just like showing your daily life of like your children. Is this a privacy choice? Yeah.
But I think this is like clearly she has talked about how she has hated her body. Her body like feels like it's betraying her or whatever, whatever.
And so to now be pregnant, it is a sense of like, wait, I do love my body. Like it's growing a baby.
Like and to like be able to have appreciation for her body and love her body again is like totally healing. I totally see what she's talking about.
I mean, people talk about all the time, like, you know, me, myself having childhood trauma and all this stuff and like trauma of just like how I was parented and stuff like that.

It's like having River is like healing my inner child because I get to parent her the way that like I wasn't and I get to give her the childhood that like I didn't have or whatever, you know? Natalie, I completely agree with you. Like I have definitely like struggled with certain things in my life and like being pregnant and like going through that whole thing, like can be incredibly healing for multiple reasons, emotionally, physically.
And I just feel like just in general, people need to like mind their own business when it comes to stuff like that. It's tough because, you know, the internet is full of them.
Well, anyways, we get sending love to Michaela because obviously what obviously what she's going through is that you know dealing with a chronic skin problem is for anyone difficult and it sucks so sending her all the love and good health to her and her her child well breaking news karen huger's sentence finally came out so if you remember nick this is the grand dame from potomac who this whole season she was like the truth will prevail the truth will prevail leave will prevail. Leave it up to the courts.
And she's the one who referred to herself as Thomas Jefferson's concubine. Yes.
And the truth. Yes.
And the truth has been prevailed now. So she is sentenced to two years in prison with one year suspension.
The decision means Karen will be behind bars for 12 months. Prosecutors citing Karen's three previous DUIs originally asked the judge for two years in prison with six months suspended for the reality star's latest arrest.
And this is amidst her also saying like her lawyers try to take the angle of her parents both passed away years previous. It was hard.
So this is after like Karen's team also try to like lighten the load with like her going to rehab and them claiming that she lost her parents in the past year and it was hard for her. And that kind spiraled her into this cycle.
But yeah, she's going two years in prison. So adding another- Two years? How many Bravo celebrities have gone to prison? Many.
Jen Shaw. Jen Shaw.
Teresa Giudice. Monica Garcia.
There's a lot that have been arrested. No, no, I'm prison.
I don't mean arrested. I saw a list the other day, and it's a long list.

But it depends on what you're considering prison.

So with this one, she was sentenced.

Yeah, prison. Well, for her, she was sentenced to two years in prison,

but it's one year suspension.

So it's like, it depends on what you're-

Like being fully incarcerated for any period of time.

Karen Ugar will be fully incarcerated for one year.

The other year, it's just a suspension, correct?

So Teresa, Jen Shaw.

It's just the two.

Just the two that have served time in prison. Yeah.
Well, Jen Shaw, Teresa, and now Karen. So three.
Yeah. That's wild.
Well, Wes Wilson did support kind of our claims about Lindsay Hubbard not really having a choice about next summer. Wes Wilson thinks there's no way Lindsay Hubbard will be back for Summer House Season 10.
He responded to the question by saying, there's no way, I don't know, unless they bring the baby. I don't think I can babysit.
I don't know how that works. Do you think this is more like a Wes Wilson opinion or do you feel like he has insider information? I think this is definitely a Wes Wilson opinion.
Yeah, I think he always is giving a Wes Wilson opinion. Nobody expected you to babysit.
I don't think anyone gives Wes Wilson insider information.

But I do think that it's like, I mean, I had the same thought of like, how the hell is she going to make this work?

Yeah.

Who in Summer House do you think you would trust to babysit Lindsay's baby?

Sierra, she's a nurse.

Yeah, I think Sierra would be the only one.

I think Amanda.

Oh, yeah, she's good with dogs.

She could if she had to. Is Kyle there? Because I don't know if his DJ set is going to...
Like, if he can would be the only one. I think Amanda.
Oh, yeah, she's good with the dogs. She could if she had to.

Is Kyle there?

Because I don't know if his DJ set is going to, like, if he can DJ a lullaby.

Yeah.

Entire cast is kind of giving you baby.

Yeah.

But Sierra's a nurse.

So Sierra takes care of people, and I would trust her to take care of my baby.

Sierra could crush it.

Sierra would crush it.

Paige would just be in bed on her phone as Sierra's baby sitting.

I feel like Paige would kind of be, like, using a to like kind of nudge the baby if she had to push it.

Paige is hiring the nanny to watch the baby.

Yes.

Yes.

Paige will put up funds.

This thing has been crying.

You should do something about it.

Carl is like, I mentally and physically cannot do this.

Well, he's not in the room.

It's Lindsay's baby.

Yeah.

That's true.

Real Housewives of Orange County is filming.

Have you been seeing that?

People are taking photos of the cast and stuff.

Who cares?

Sorry.

Let's go a little Beverly Hills before Chanel gets in.

Well, who does care is the friends of a lot of the OC cast members

who are also on Beverly Hills.

Speaker Trace, Justin.

Your girl was really on one last night. She was, but honestly, I'm here with her.
You still supported it? Really? I think if you're going to provoke her, then you have to be ready to have someone go low with you. Here's a question I have for all of you.
Who is the most never wrong person in the cast of Beverly Hills Housewives? Every single one of them. As of now? Yeah.
Like the most. Hands down.
No, no, no. Oh.

What I mean by who's the most like in their, in this person's opinion, the most like never wrong.

Sutton.

I don't know.

I mean, she has stiff competition.

Erika Jayne screamed, I'm the victim.

Erika Jayne.

Yeah.

Defended her earrings still to this day.

And she could not have been more wrong about that.

Kyle, you know, every other episode, she's kind of like talking out of one side and doing another i think they all have their moments and they have to all have their moments or else it is boring television yeah yeah but they really like this particular cast i feel like more than any other cast is like really stick their heels i mean rarely do you get a housewife that is like, you know what? I was wrong. It does really bother me that the women don't speak up in moments.
I feel like it would make for such better television if at that table when Sutton is saying, yeah, our wallets don't match and this and that. And all the women are kind of like, oh, oh, but no one wants to speak up and say anything.
And kind of like, you know, it's like you stand up for like what's right and what's wrong. And like none of these women have anything to fucking say.
You're right. They sit in silence and they wait for their ITMs a little bit.
All Erica did was, you think you're bigger than her? You think you have more money? It's like asking these questions. Yeah, it is kind of goading.
But it's like even then where it's like you all got silent and had like a sigh that happened unanimously across the table. Just like, OK, that was just said.
And then you have Garcelle somehow still kind of come back to defend Sutton. And I'm like, just let these two women work it out if that's what you guys are doing.
But defending somebody in this situation, fool's errand. Sutton seemed drunk to begin with.
Well, can we start here? Doree was 100% percent provoking sutton any chance she got she ordered a water and she said was that because of our conversation 100 yeah like she makes and then she came to fight and dorit which is they both did she perpetuates this narrative consistently that she's a drunk and like you even have like faye being like well i have the same drinking habits morally corrupt i mean except that like sutton recently went did an interview but like every housewife has done that interview where they say their drink order like we know dorit's carcass out we know her order by hand there's a difference between order and like routine and and sutton and i quote she did an interview and she and this is a response i have a drinking regimen that i do sutton revealed at around 10 a.m i think that's okay for your first cocktail of the day. And then I try to, it's just consistency through the day that I'm nicer.
So she starts every day at 10 a.m. and then consistently drinks all day.
How is that not a drinking problem? But I think the context is that a lot of housewives have similar drinking habits. Well, I'm not saying they have problems.
I'm saying Dorit is perpetuating the narrative that it is a problem when it might not be a problem but like everybody's drinking that way even maori soul says she has a screwdriver every time she doesn't drink water she drinks vodka so it's like you know like a lot of them are but a lot of them are doing it but it's dorit saying you specifically sat in are drunk and then it's even kyle being like she has this context of her dad having abuse issues and like that, that's why it is triggering. But no one's acknowledging that.
Yeah. I mean, they're just saying she's overreacting.
She does seem to have kind of a problem. And it's obviously triggering for her because I don't know.
I don't know many people who are who are heavy drinkers who appreciate anyone else saying anything. So I don't know.
I thought Dorit was a savage and I really love, and if you go as low as she did, like that whole line about throwing out, like basically, you know, Dorit's going through a divorce right now. Clearly she is not of the, has the same financial means as some of her peers and throwing that in her face, especially that whole episode opened up with, again, Sutton, you know,

we now know that Sutton gets any, what,

around what, three, I don't know how many?

300,000.

After taxes a month.

And she's like,

and obviously maybe joking with Jennifer Tilly,

talking about like she's looking for a billionaire,

like as if like it's never enough.

But like that line basically just said,

like she marries for money.

And then like that, you know,

knowing that's how she accumulated her wealth. And then she's throwing that in dorit's face as if like that was some sort of accomplishment or that she's better than dorit or that dorit doesn't have a place to like speak up or have an opinion in front of sutton because she's not as like her ex-husband isn't as rich as her ex-husband i mean it's a i didn't think't think it was going low, that comment, but also I think the context of, like,

she is consistently poking Sutton,

that I'm like, you know what?

If you're going to poke the bear,

the bear is going to, like, bark back, you know?

So it's like...

But who started...

Bark?

It's gone back so far,

but can anyone really say who started it at this point?

I mean...

Go back to the OG days when Sutton is like,

let the mouse go, Dorit.

Like, Dorit's always been, like, going after Sutton,

I think out of, like, love,

trying to, like, understand her,

but it's like, Sutton's telling you,

stop poking me.

That's what I was going to say, too,

is that, like,

I think a little like love, trying to like understand her. But it's like Sutton's telling you, stop poking me.
That's what I was going to say too, is that I'm like, I think a lot of people give a little too much credit where like, I love Dorit, but it's like, I don't think Dorit is like super malicious or like, I just think that she says things and maybe doesn't think about how it's going to affect somebody or like the question of like the context. She just says things.
So like i understand that she can be offensive but even then she sat there across from sutton and apologized being like i am so sorry i would love to understand why but you're not even going to take that apology and what did sutton do not take the apology was that genuine though i don't think she was going to take the apology but like her apology wasn't i loved what she was like okay let's try i thought it was so that's fucking awesome someone did that to you, you would be like, girl. No, of course.
Like, listen, they clearly are not, you know, I'm not saying that Dorit was like pleasant and nice and like the bigger person here. She wasn't at all.
I just kind of loved the way she fought a little bit better than Sutton. And I will say that like going back to last season, other than Kyle and now Bo Boze, the rest of this group, they're fucking mean to Dorit.
They fucking bully her and mock her and talk behind her back, and they're just fucking cruel to her. And if you're Dorit and you're just like, fuck these people, they're constantly minimizing me and condescending me and talking down to me.
It is hard for me to see that Sutton and Garcelle. And Kyle, technically, in this scenario.
Kyle sometimes are the ones being picked on in this group because it just Dorit finally has an ally in Bo's. You know what's interesting? I thought about this is before Sutton and Garcelle and Crystal were like the odd ones out.
It was the Fox 4, which was Lisa Renna, E Jane, Kyle Richards, and Doree. But now that we lost Lisa, Erica had her rough point.
It's like they used to be the mean girls, the popular girls of Beverly Hills, according to audience members. Now that that's broken up, it's like we see Garcelle and Sutton as like the ones that are like picking on other people.
But it's like, no, it's just that the ones that were picking on others now no longer have the power you know i'm a little confused by this ongoing mo and kyle separation like are we i'm just like get divorced at this point or not i don't fucking care but like i thought this was last year's storyline i don't know honestly yeah exactly what you just said i'm genuinely don't know i was like i honestly that the scene came up and i was like wait did Peacock all of a sudden start playing

sometimes I put on the wrong episode or something

I was like what is going on

they've been separated for a while but the weird thing

is that it's not so much even about the fact

that Mauricio is seeing other people

it's like the scandal is that he called

paparazzi on himself at an airport

which is interesting

Mo planted the story to get back at Kyle for the War of Roses. But they're on good terms.
Are they? According to Kyle and Mo, not according to Sutton, I guess. Was Mauricio not hugging Kyle from crying like two episodes ago? I'll say one thing about Mo and Kyle.
They really seem like despite whatever they're going through, they're not vindictive with each other. No.
It doesn't feel that way. I don't think they are.
Oh, well, up next, she's here. Chanel Ion is about to join us.
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Lauren, welcome to the show.

Thanks for having me. Well, we're excited to have you.
I don't know if you listen to this show, if you've been keeping up with commentary, but we had a great debate on Tuesday about your and Dave's situation. But we're so thankful and so glad that you're with us today, because obviously a lot of our discussion debate was based off of like things we didn't know and just kind of, you know, what we watched and things like that.
So just, did you listen to that conversation? I did. Yeah.
I'm a big fan of you guys. I've been listening to you guys for a while.
And then I was listening yesterday as I was getting ready and I was like screaming at my phone hearing, like defend me. And I was like, that is my girl.
Yes, you are my girl. I feel it.
So like, fuck me. Right.
Obviously. Correct.
I mean, your words, not mine. Correct.
Well, thank you for saying it. Thank you for listening.
But yeah, I mean, what were your thoughts and feelings about our discussion? Yeah. I mean, I think that they were all so valid.
And I was thinking about how I'm sure there are so many couples and people out there having this exact conversation and like seeing these perspectives. And honestly, I remember thinking those same perspectives at the time too, when we were going through it, like I was having such a hard time knowing my truth and then like seeing how it was playing out.
And I tried so hard to do so much perspective taking and you'd like see that a little bit where I'm like, this is fair. Like that would suck to get your phone back and have people say things about your new fiance.
And then you have to figure out who's right and who's wrong and what's going on. And that wasn't even my argument about it.
My argument was like, put me in the room with them. Like they're having all of these conversations that I'm not part of.
And they have these like pieces of evidence that are not true. Just like, let me speak to them.
And that wasn't happening. So that was where most of my frustration was coming from.
And I feel that now watching you back. I know the frustration also of just knowing something is true, but there's just no way for you to prove anything.
So you're just like, there's nothing for me to do. But like, that's just not true.
Like him being so hell bent on you, like spending the night with him before you left and it was like your girlfriends were even like no she was with us and he's just like I don't know what to believe I was screaming at the TV uh what what is the truth or your truth I mean let's just say what what is the truth as you see it so to speak yeah well and you'll like see this play out a little bit more but I was not with him the weekend before I left. I saw him like a week before.
It really was a very like to the, how do I say this? It was a friends with benefits situation. It started where we were like, maybe there could be a romantic connection there, but then casting conversations are happening for months.
And like, he knew that I was having that. And so he was like, we can keep things casual um it honestly felt like best of both worlds for both of us at the time because like he was dating other people too he was going on dates I remember seeing his picture on like are we dating the same guy people were setting up dates with him so we were both I felt like things were very clear that we were not romantically interested in each other so you were you two having conversations about you potentially going on this show while you guys were hanging out occasionally? Yeah.
We did talk about it a ton, mainly because we weren't really sitting there having a lot of conversations, but it definitely came up. Were you ever wondering if this was a smart decision, so to speak, based off of the fact that you might go on the show and i you know obviously like you have every right to do whatever the fuck you want outside of the show i just like going on the you know i'm sure you are a fan like you said a fan of the show you've watched the show i'm sure you've seen drama and fights about past actions and what could come up.
I imagine when you were going through the casting process, like most people, it's kind of like, first, you don't even think you're going to get casted. And then if you get casted, you're thinking, probably show up, nothing will happen.
You're certainly not expecting to make a connection. You're certainly not expecting to get engaged.
So I get all that. Did it ever cross your mind that like, ooh, maybe like this, this is a little messy choice given like what you were potentially willing to say yes to if given the opportunity.
Yes and no. I remember thinking with this guy, like, okay, I'm having these conversations to potentially go on a show where I could get married.
Do I like this guy enough to like, cause here is this connection that I have in one way. Do I like this guy enough to say, fuck the show.
I'm going to pursue things with her or with him. I remember being like, no, I don't like him enough to do that, to like make that sacrifice and not go on this experience.
Um, and in terms of, again, we had come off of, I think when we were filming, we were watching the season with Trevor and his girlfriend. And I remember I was like kind of freaking out in the moment and being like, oh my God, is this how the world is going to see me now that this is all playing out? But again, at the time I'm basing my perspective on what my narrative was and like my truth with this guy.
And so I just never in a million years thought that this would be part of the story at all. Gotcha.
What would you have loved to see Dave do differently in that moment?

Just letting me be part of the conversation with his friends that were chirping in his

ear about it.

I just wanted to talk to them.

I wanted to compare their stories.

Do you know why they refused?

Was it just like not wanting to get involved in the show or being on camera?

Or did you get any inkination as to why they were?

Or was it Dave being like,

I'm not allowing my friends.

I truly think that his friends and his sister were basing the decisions on

their involvement or not on what Dave was telling them.

You think Dave was in the driver's seat here.

I do.

Okay.

All right.

All right.

Okay.

Interesting.

Have you seen, I mean, I'm sure you have, but your ex is not even ex. What are we calling him? Your friend, your ex friend.
I'll be really nice. Yeah.
Your ex friends, um, Photoshop pictures of him in the love is blind cast. I like that was very embarrassing for him.
It was embarrassing. And also like, I remember being like, this really proves my point.
Like, you are helping me with this story here. I don't I was like, I rest my case.

Yeah, like you look crazy. Why are you you're not on this show? Why are you trying to act like you are on this show? Like that does scream a little delusional to me.
So it would be hard for me. And obviously, I guess what Dave didn't see any of this stuff during filming or anything like that.
I mean mean I know your friends were kind of saying to him like he was DMing us or texting us saying like should we blow up this wedding like love is blind blah blah blah whatever which would scream to me like maybe this guy isn't as trustworthy as some people think he knows Dave's people they have like a mutual friend very Minnesota they have like like a sure so they knew of each other i'm from milwaukee i get as you're gathering yeah yeah exactly wow okay that's wild when the next batch comes out we'll we'll get some resolution on whatever happens between the two of you guys um between dave and i yeah yeah yeah You'll see that kind of continue to play out. Did you feel in that moment that he was just trying to find a way out of the marriage? I do.
Yes, that definitely came up. But I think I might've even said that to him at one point.
There are a lot of outs you can take and you'll see him or you have seen him try to take outs where he has conversations about his sister. And there's some other stuff that comes up that I'm like, are you just trying to find the out that sticks the most right now? And obviously this guy was, I think the biggest one.
So yeah, I did have that at that time. I don't know if I like fully listened to my gut as much as I should have on it in the moment.
Were there other signs from Dave that suggested that he was looking for an out in general, or was it mostly based off of this situation? There are a couple other things that come up. You'll see some other things that I think makes Dave question if we should be getting married or not.
And I don't think that they have anything to do with me and more to do with where his head was at. At the time in which this drama happened, how all in were you as far as marriage goes? You know, or like, I guess my question is just like, I'm trying to figure out with this process, like, are some people like, fuck it, I'm engaged and we're going to get married unless something bad happens? Or is it we got engaged and like, let's, you know, we have four weeks to figure out whether we're going to get married or not? That was definitely...
I mean, going into this experience, obviously you're hopeful for what could come, but I just have never... You see me at one point say, I've never felt this connected to someone so quickly.
And so I surprised myself how invested I got with him and with this experience. And you see me fight for it really hard.
And so I did see marriage. I remember thinking like, okay, we'll get married, we'll break up or we'll not get married, but we'll stay together.
And all of those at the time felt like potential next steps for us. But yeah, marriage was definitely on the table for sure.
For me. Watching it back, that whole in the kitchen where you're kind of cooking, preparing for the friends and this kind of all explodes, watching it back, did you have any regrets of what you wish you would have said or wouldn't have said? Honestly, no, because I think looking back, I tried to explain things in so many different ways and tried to really understand his perspective and then speak to that.
I think at that point, there was nothing I could have said or done differently to have Dave see it. I will say, I feel like the fact that he couldn't, you being so vulnerable and saying like, I'm feeling really disconnected from you.
Can you please stay here tonight? And him saying, no, I think was the biggest sign of like, this man should not be your husband. Yeah, yeah.
And that has been pretty jarring to watch back and it happens too. And he meets my friends and I get emotional and there's like not a lot of comfort happening.
And I felt that in the moment. And it's, it's really sad to walk back and feel that again.
It's interesting. Cause I completely agree with Nally with that statement, but you know, if I'm still trying to like empathize with this whole situation, like I think two things can be true at the same time.
Like I can understand Dave having a hard time processing this rumor because that's what it is. You know, rumor, you know, which has like maybe some truth to it.
But obviously it's it's it's coming from someone who obviously is has an alternative agenda and things like that. But to Nally's point, regardless of what the truth is, Dave demonstrated basically an inability to cope while struggling with his own emotions and needing to be there for his partner who's also struggling.
And he was basically saying, I need to be alone so that I can figure this out. And regardless of what you're going through, like that, not my problem because my problem is you.
It was like my needs come first. Sorry.
Correct. Yeah.
Yeah, for sure. And I remember thinking too, like your friends are giving you this whole different narrative.
And every time you talk to them, you get like more angry at me or more confused about the situation. So if you and I are supposed to be a team, why, why are we continuing to go back to those people and have the same conversations

that are not productive at all? Especially without you there to be like, that's not true.

Did you feel any type of way about his comments regarding Molly or, or feelings towards Molly

outside of the show? Or do you feel like that was maybe dramatized a little bit for TV?

I think it was a little more dramatized than it felt in the moment. And like Molly and I are friends and we've talked since about conversations that they've had.
So I knew that obviously they knew that they had a connection and I knew that he was validating her as well as me. And so watching it back, I wasn't too surprised.
I kind of had a feeling that that was the story. Random question, but going back to your first night on the honeymoon vacation, whatever we call that in Honduras, you talked about getting like a bikini wax and you were like, I can't work out or have sex for 24 hours.
Like I'm really bummed. And they kind of made the cutting of it made it seem like you were saying you're really bummed that you can't have sex.
Is that where you're referring to? Or are you referring to like not being able to work out? Okay. That edit shocked me because that's not what I was saying.
I was telling him that I got a wax and then I had a spin class scheduled for that night. And they were telling me that you can't work out.
You can't have sex, you can't do any of these things. And I was so bummed because I hadn't worked out in like two weeks.
And my jaw was on the floor. I was like, I don't talk like that.
Honestly, it read that way of just like, that's not what, yeah, that's definitely not what she said. You're so bummed you can't get some dick.
I'm like, in what world would I have said that? Oh my God. I'm glad there have been people that messaged me and they were like, this editing looked a little wonky.
I'm like, thank you. I know Natalie, obviously, in our great debate the other day, used Dave's interest in other people's sex life as kind of a justification for like Dave, you know, not taking sex seriously.
But I didn't see it that way. I kind of see it as him just, again, I think a lot of people in these atmospheres are very curious about what other people are doing.
There's a lot of confusion. I also think just because, you know, you have a one night stand doesn't mean sex means nothing to you ever in general.
It's just like, I think it's situational basis, but how did you see Dave's line of questioning to his peers as it relates to your relationship? I mean, I think in terms of him asking other people, like that clip of scenes, I remember thinking like, one thing Dave is going to do is be himself. And you see him say, I was just genuinely curious and he just wanted to talk to people about it.
I don't know. It didn't surprise me that he was having those conversations because he speaks his mind and doesn't really filter through questions.
Did you ever tell Dave that despite him thinking they're jokes, that sometimes they're not funny? I mean, the way some of his jokes, especially in the pods were portrayed, it comes off much more serious than it felt in the moment. It was very lighthearted.
He would always follow it up with like a laugh or like and again i know that if he said anything is absolutely insane there'd be a line to cross but like it felt very bantery in the moment it like yeah it's hard to watch back and have people see it very i mean listen reality tv is not a safe space for sarcasm or any type of like humor in general because it definitely can and often is used against you. So, yeah, I definitely watch those moments with a careful eye, so to speak.
Going back to that moment in the kitchen, I kind of stood on this like he was platforming information that wasn't true on your end on national television to kind of like, in my opinion, shame you for like your choices in your sex life. Did you feel that way? Or is that me just like projecting my feelings? I did.
And I remember like I said, I, when we were having this conversation, I was like, I'm, I feel crazy right now. Like, I feel like I'm, my communication is not getting through.
And I'm, I feel like a slut. And like, I hadn't really felt that before.
Like, again, I just, you see me say, I've never had to defend my character like this. Like, I don't understand why this thing is like the end all be all for me and the kind of person I am right now so yeah I I remember saying like my Nona watches this show my boss watches this show and we are just airing out my sexual history for the world yeah it's a tough situation given the just like what the show is about you know and it's some right it's hard to avoid some of these conversations without, you know.
But also, obviously, every second isn't filmed. And so it's like if to me, it's like if he genuinely cared about you and thought about like, oh, maybe there's like some falseness to this.
Like I should ask her when cameras aren't around so that she doesn't feel like I'm like putting her sex life on blast.

That's true. He's definitely not.
He definitely wasn't overly considerate and empathetic to how this might affect you. That is clear.
Right. Right.
Right. I was curious about your perspective about some of the other people in relationships, but was Madison as messy and toxic as she came across on the show? I don't know.
It's hard to answer because I was so focused on my own shit. I'm focused on Dave.
There's a little bit of stuff going on with Molly. I talked about this before too, but I was talking to Mason up until like a couple of days towards the end too.
And I had no idea that he was having any of these conversations with Mag or Madison. So I was shocked to see it all come to a head.
I think you kind of see Meg and Madison handle things differently and like approach it differently. But I wouldn't say I left.
Like I remember leaving and people were like, how were the girls? Were they all insanely toxic? And I'm like, no, they were just, everyone was just trying their best. And that looks different for different people.
Watching it back, do you feel like Madison got screwed over? Because I really quite liked his relationship with Meg. Again, don't know if this is editing or whatever, but it sure seemed like Madison sabotaged that relationship because she didn't get her way.
Yeah. I'm going to be so honest with you guys.
I skipped through a lot of those. Fair enough.

I was watching mine.

I wanted to make sure I understood the story.

Respect.

Honestly. I didn't fully get what was going on in the lounge at the time.

And I still don't fully get it.

Honestly, you guys have probably a better perspective on it than I do.

We have an opinion.

But sometimes context matters. And sometimes context is lost in these episodes.
So we were definitely curious. When you met everyone, was there anybody that you were surprised that you talked to in the pods, but you were surprised by like meeting them physically, like what their appearance was versus their voice? Oh, like the guys? Yeah.
Yeah. Was there anyone who like you met in person? You're like, fuck, damn, they're definitely like, that's not what I thought he looked like.
It is funny to think back because like, I'm sure as a viewer, you're probably like, okay, I wonder how they think the other person looks, but I really tried to not spend too much time putting people in these like physical boxes. Um, I was shocked.
Joey had long hair.

I had no idea that that's what he looked like.

I remember I'm trying to think about anyone else.

There wasn't anyone I was super surprised by.

And there wasn't anyone that I was like, oh, damn, like I made a mistake.

Well, they honestly all look the same.

So it's not exactly copy and paste.

What did you think of the whole Ben and Sarah? Did you watch that kind of where he had an ex from four years pop up yeah that to use nick's words i remember at the time thinking two things can be true ben could have not been a good partner to women in the past and this girl on tiktok also really wants her 15 minutes of fame and wants some clout like i remember remember really seeing both of those pieces. Um, and I don't know, it was hard to watch Sarah be conflicted on how to look at things.
And I think she did such a good job of saying, I'm not going to dismiss her. Um, and I trust you, but like, I I'm remembering this or I'm not like dismissing this.
Well, after getting to know Ben, I don't know how much did get to know him, but do you feel like maybe these accusations from the past have any truth to them or, or not? I definitely think there's a reason that there are these conversations happening with many women, not just the one TikTok girl. With Ben? There's, are there other, are there other, there's others? Well, I think like if you, and again again this is another like don't go watch that tiktok and like give her attention but like there are people having conversations about that and validating her in in ways so she's getting support under her post being like me too girl type of thing well more so when that was happening at the time like there were there were comments in that video video or people saying things to her like, oh yeah, I also knew Ben or I had this experience.
There were some of those conversations. And what was the general accusation that he just basically ghosted her? Yeah.
There was also YouTube cards. Yeah, did you see that? Left eye hookups.
Yeah. A what? He was leaving his YouTube business cards where he was a YouTuber.
He would hook up with girls and leave it behind.

What?

I wonder how many subscribers he got.

It's a tough look.

That's tough.

Do you think he got the platinum thing?

I sure hope so.

Yeah.

I wonder what his YouTube videos were of.

I mean, the internet's written in ink.

Yeah.

He's giving these to women he's had sex with so like what is his content interesting i'm even more intrigued now any other questions for lauren before we let her go lauren is there anything else you feel like you want to clear up whether it's like something you saw that you felt wasn't portrayed as you remembered or or maybe just like before the next batch comes, giving us any a heads up or, or just like something to look for, you know, as we consume these, the next batch of episodes. I don't think that there's anything like to clear up.
I do think that they're doing a good job of like telling our story and the way that it felt in the moment. And there's like a lot of frustration with that.
Unfortunately, I don't think the frustration is done after this week. There'll be a little bit more to come there.
Great. Okay.
But like, let me cook. Do you think, do you think we will want to have you back on this show to unpack your entire story with Dave? Maybe in person sitting on his couch.
Because we want the drama.

I mean, I personally think you'll want

to have me call it back in person.

Yes, of course.

Me like tooting my own horn.

Why wouldn't we?

Lauren, thank you so much for taking the time.

I know that you carved some out

of your very busy work schedule.

So thank you.

We appreciate it.

And we look forward to watching

the rest of your journey unfold.

Team Lauren forever. I love you guys.
Thank you so much lauren forever i love you guys thank you all right take care we'll see you soon bye well that's very interesting so she hooked up with him a week before filming she didn't say she hooked up she said she saw him she didn't say that she hooked up i mean what else do you do with your friend actually on the show she on the show, she said they got ice cream. That was the last time she saw them.
Maybe it was the kind of like... Sometimes we got ice cream before and after.
Okay, but maybe it was a, I'm going on the show, we're not going to see each other anymore ice cream. Yeah, like I leave on Tuesday to go find a little salty tears and tears, salted caramel.
If they had a goodbye, then that makes it a little bit more than just... I don't know.
You don't need to say goodbye to your fuck, buddy. There's a season of Vanderpump Rules where Jax has a girlfriend and he invites her to pizza and then she thinks they're having a date.
He's like, you know, you're going to college. I just don't see myself going with you.
You're going to college? She's like going to grad school or something. Thank God.
Math isn't mathing. Poor, poor girl., would we be surprised? I wouldn't have been surprised

But I'm just surprised it was not

I will say, Lauren and Jax Taylor

Do not have much in common

I mean, I don't know

I'm sure you guys still feel the way

She didn't change my opinion

I mean, she confirmed mine

She definitely confirmed mine

Of that she felt slut-shamed

She felt judged

But I'm not defending Dave

I'm defending sex

Well, thank God

But I think that's a different argument

That was the argument I was trying to make

Thank you. She felt judged.
But I'm not defending Dave. I'm defending sex.
Well, thank God. But I think that's a different argument.
That was the argument I was trying to make while you guys were all yelling at me that I should not defend Dave. Well, someone told me I need a muzzle, so I won't be yelling any longer.
You know, a lot of people who do this show, as someone who's been on these types of shows, nothing I find more kind of frustrating or just kind of shows that you haven't done these shows, when say you know what you signed up for Or you signed up for this Because I don't think Dave, Lauren and anyone in this cast Has any clue truly what they signed up for You know they got the log line Of like what the show's about They've seen previous season But until you're in that fucking crazy universe You really don't know And to that end I give lauren grace for you know making the decisions that she did but i also appreciate that you know dave was struggling with like questioning how serious she was i think natalie made a great point that regardless of who thought what or when this issue revealed dave's kind of shortcomings as a potential future. And I think more than anything that was telling, because like, regardless of what happened to people who are like weeks away from marriage, he clearly is someone who is incapable of like, you know, allowing his partner to also be in a space that he was in and working through it together.
Rather, you know, completely disconnect emotionally abandoning his partner which i do feel like is a huge red flag in general in relationships like if your partner can't like put their pride aside and like just be in the same room as you or just yeah work through it together you know just like talk through it and you know even if you're like let's platform this let's talk about it tomorrow but like we'll just watch a movie we'll get dinner like it'll be fine he could even do that he was like i gotta get the fuck out of here yeah that was it's lester to sleep alone in this apartment that's not even hers like yeah i feel like my biggest issue with dave was not that he was frustrated with lauren having someone before the show like less of the sex thing and more of just he didn't believe her when she told him. It's not like she was being cagey.
It very much presented itself as like she is telling the truth from her perspective. And this is someone this is a firsthand account of what happens.
Her friends are corroborating this and he is just completely not seeing her. It definitely wasn't like the Ben.
Ben of it all when confronted by Sarah, you know, like i don't remember i don't know i don't know i i saw it a while i know but i think the just like the little bit of caginess that he did have just of like already seeing the video and not showing it to her or bringing it up to her letting her find it on her own and then being like yeah i already blocked her i forgot what happened like that's a little cagey and would give give Sarah reason to be like, I don't know. I'm kind of struggling with believing you.
But Lauren was like, here it all is. Even then, Sarah saw Ben and was like, I'm taking what you're saying into consideration while also taking what this girl is saying into consideration.
And Dave just was not taking Lauren's words into consideration. At all.
is what it read to me as i mean that may be true but i think that this rumor caught him off guard and i think whether right or wrong i think he didn't expect this to come out and then he had he had an expectation that expectation wasn't met and in any situation when you have an expectation it's not met it it fucks you up and you have a hard time getting back to that you know what I bet? I bet Dave is probably my perception of him is probably correct and he is listening to the show to only get what he should be saying from you he's like no no no it was hard because the rumor really messed with my brain he's looking at the corner Zoom screen. He's taking notes for the reunion.
Yeah, for sure. Yeah.
Did we find out any more about Ben and his YouTube? The YouTube is not linked in his Instagram. There's no YouTube under his full name.
I found his YouTube channel, but it's completely wiped. It exists.
It does exist. That motherfucker got right on it.
And says, apparently this man would leave his YouTube card for women after he slept with them. What is a YouTube card? He made a business card with YouTube on it, his face, and his app.
So you can go follow him. It didn't say YouTube.
It said YouTuber. YouTuber.
I'm going to make a theory. That's fucking brutal if it's true.
Sports commentating. He was a baseball player.
I brought this up on Pop not too long ago where I was like, oh, look, I saw this. It's wild.
I don't know who the cast member is because this came out before the show released. That's almost as brutal as Sutton was last night's episode.
We'll get into that later. Your girl was on one, bro.
Yeah. My wallet.
I prepared. That was fucking wild.
Well, up next, we have the iconic Chanel Ion with us to get into all sorts of topics, especially her little interaction with Will Smith that she's on the same flight with him on the way here

to the show. They're plane buddies.
And she wasn't afraid to say hi. Nope.
She's not afraid of anything. She's fearless.
Taylor Swift, fearless. Full of myself? I don't know.
Yeah. Anyways, we'll talk about that with her and more.
All right, first question. Is it Chanel or is it Ayan? So my real name is Ayan, which means lucky.
Because my mom had nine girls and one boy. One and nine girls.
Nine girls and one boy? Yeah. So we're 11.
But my father has like 30-something kids. My father fucked everybody in the village.
Oh, my God. Yeah.
So that's normal in my village, right? So then Chanel, I gave it to myself because I watched a movie about chanel and her life story was basically a little bit like mine where like her dad lived in the same town but had another family but never cared about them so i kind of was like oh that's so cool so i just named my name chanel ayan so it stuck love that yeah i wish i had the confidence to just like rename myself sometimes why would you you look good good. By the way, I bullied your husband one time.
Oh my gosh. He hasn't slept since finding those messages.
He's been awake every single night. Thankfully, I didn't read my DMs.
Why did you bully me? I'll tell you first. I just saw him walk down to say hi.
And literally, I was like, he's the most good looking man I have ever seen in America by the way my husband is very hot he's from Idaho that means a lot that means a lot coming from you I don't feel like you say things just to be nice no no no no I left you to read my stuff that I said about you until 2017 because I'm a real bitch so I wanted you to see what I felt at that moment. But yeah, why did I say that to you? I'm not going to lie.
I don't remember. But the truth is, I was in Idaho and I was bored in my family's cabin.
And you came on TV. Okay.
And I was just like, okay, he's young. And you are, oh, you are with my favorite human being that said I was the most nicest person he's ever met in his life.
Beside his wife. Wells.
Yeah. Yes.
I love him so much. So anyways.
He's nicer than me. Yes.
He's such a kind soul. But we'll get to know each other.
I'll decide later. But so far, I feel like you're great.
Thank you. Yes thank you yes honestly i have a hard candy shell but i'm soft in the middle you can tell you really can tell your eyes are kind yes okay when he loves you he loves you yeah if you got me on your side yeah i'm a good ally really terrible i'm a bad enemy and like you i feel like and i don't really know you that well but i i don't i just don't have the time for bullshit same i really have no time because i feel like life is so short and also i think because the way i grew up is like you i grew up in a very small um village okay nobody has left my village except my family okay so it's like you and i grew up in a very abusive home and i grew up with a single mom so i saw a lot of things so i have no time for bullshit or bad energy you get what you see if i like you you will know if i don't like you you will know immediately i'm very outspoken are you like that yeah i think so i love that i think so yes have you ever other than like you know people you see on tv or online have you ever been wrong about someone you met in person uh about like how you thought they were yes and i actually i like karen huga i know something's happening with her today but when i first met her at bravicon because i watched her and i was like oh my god you know she's a very strong woman very opinionated and when i met her she was person, very kind, very welcoming.
You know, whatever she's going through right now, it's really hard to see where she is. And I wish her nothing but the best in life.
And I think she has time to process things that she's going through and come out in a better way. Yeah, we definitely wish her the best.
I mean, you know, obviously, alcohol is a terrible and it can do terrible things and it's a sickness for people who are addicted to it. And I don't know if that's what's going on with her, but she seems like she's struggled with consumption from time to time.
So hopefully she definitely, you know, gets whatever hope she needs. I don't think there's alcohol in jail.
So I think it's a good thing that she would like, you know, be better. I wish her nothing but the best.
Have you been able to talk to her at all? No. So she actually reached out to me a long time ago.
She wanted to visit Dubai with her daughter, who's beautiful. Love her.
Made her in BravoCon. So she asked me about Dubai, and I was hoping she would come.
But like I said, she's a really nice human being. You know, apart from when you see on TV and you see like, okay, these people but she's actually really down to add she's very open she's very loving so with that i just feel like that's one of them uh nini licks oh love her okay like a really good friend now because when you see people on tv you're like oh my god they're so tough kenya more you know and you're like oh wow they're actually like really girls girls you know so yeah and with you

we'll see

the more we keep going

we'll see

I feel like people

we'll see

we'll see

I do like surprising people

I love that too

so you grew up in Kenya

yes

I grew up in Kenya

until I was 18

and then I met my husband

from Boise, Idaho

how did you meet him?

I met him in a restaurant

and he told me

he was American

and immediately

I was like

I'm gonna marry him

because I wanted his passport Thank you. band from Boise, Idaho.
How did you meet him? I met him in a restaurant and he told me he was

American and immediately I was like, I'm going to marry him because I wanted his passport. Yeah.
So he was in Kenya? So he was in Kenya visiting and I was like, I saw him, he was so hot. So the first time I ever saw a white person, I was nine years old in my village.
So I didn't know white people existed. And the first time I watched a movie was a Van Damme movie.
And he was so hot. Yeah, yeah.
He was so good looking with muscles and everything. So when I met my husband, I'll send you the picture when I met my husband, okay? And he literally looked like him.
And I was just like, wow, where are you from? He goes, I'm American. I was like, ooh, darling.
You know, I do need to go to America. Hotter.
He became hotter and hotter because I don't believe in people marrying for love. Okay, I think that you should marry for, because love comes later.
Okay, because when I first met my husband, I'm not going to say like, oh my God, I was in love immediately. I married 26 years 26 years.
Because when you fall in love immediately and be like, I love this person immediately,

I feel like it's more like a last than you fall in love.

But also because I grew up really in a bad home.

So for me, I wanted a good life because I saw my mom struggling a lot.

So I always wanted to have the best.

Okay, we're still married 26 years.

Okay.

That's incredible.

Yeah.

Happily married.

We have a gorgeous son who's 18 going to college.

So yeah. Do you have an 18 yearold son? Yeah.
Damn. Thank you.
Are you good, right? Yeah, you do. Thank you.
It's black, don't crack. I don't know how old you are.
I don't know how old you are. I'm 50.
And if you're telling me you're 50? No. Yeah.
Are you sure? Yeah, I did a test in my show. They said I was 50 years old.
This on dubai last season right yes yes but it's just easy it's like i do a lot of things that i saw my culture people do that's cheap to like what give us so literally you know turmeric yes yeah so i just put turmeric and honey once a week on my face because it removes inflammation it makes your skin glowing and it's just like you have the best. You have the best skin I've ever seen in my life.
It's turmeric and honey? We're going to love each other. I love that.
So it's turmeric and honey. Yeah, just put turmeric and honey.
But you have gorgeous skin. You have great skin.
Thank you, but I would love to have your kind of skin. So it just it's turmeric and honey I just want to see you in the alley

walking around with honey

all over her face

I will be

I will

yeah that's it

like I just do that

and I try to drink

a lot of water

and also like

it's very important to

do you talk about sex

in your podcast?

oh yeah

it's very important to fuck

like it's so good

for your body

for your mind

for your health

so that helps a lot

you know what I mean?

how many times a week

do you in your sex

oh we don't have a schedule

like I'm not gonna lie

it's like when it happens, it happens. When you're on a heat.
When you're on heat. Yeah, for sure.
So relatable. So Will Smith.
Huh? Will Smith. Oh, my God.
Was that crazy? Thanks. How did you approach him?

So, actually, this is what happened.

I was in first class, okay?

And Maria told me, oh, my God, did you see Will Smith just came into the plane?

And I was like, really?

And he goes, yeah, but he locked his cabinet.

So it's 15 and a half hours flight.

And his cabinet was next to mine.

So I didn't sleep on the plane because I was waiting for him to wake up so I can say hello take pictures ask questions because I have questions okay I have deep questions that I need to know because I'm nosy bitch so I was keep looking at his and then he slept for 10 hours and then the next five hours he woke up and he went to take shower okay so he went because there's shower in the first class so I was waiting and then he passed and he waved at me I was like okay we're gonna be friends we're gonna talk so by the time I went to talk to him I know his son Jaden because my son models and we were together in London so that was easy saying hey I know your son how are you doing and I was like I love the pursuit of happiness my favorite movie I made my son watch like 10 times and then we talked about traitors I asked him about men in black and he was like he was was so good. Did you ask anything about the slap at the Oscars? No, no, because I didn't ask him about that.
But I feel like that was a planned situation because there's a lot of Illuminati stuff in here in Hollywood. It's my first time in Hollywood, by the way.
Your first time? Yeah, first time. And my husband was born here, but I've never been because they live in Idaho.
So usually I just fly through the airport and go to Idaho. So I've never really like seen LA.
Wow. Like this is my first time.
And you guys have a lot going on. There's a lot going on.
People live on the streets. Yeah.
Where I'm staying. It's not perfect.
No. Why? We're humans and we should, like, it's really so sad.
And I don't know. They're like frozen.
We don't have that in Dubai. You don't? No.
Not at all. You'd never see that.
I mean, also in Africa, I'm not going to lie. You know, in America, they like to do these movies like, oh, in Africa, people are starving.
There's no food. There's no this.
It's all persona. I mean, there are some places that are not like that, but we have a lot of wealthy people in Africa.
Right. But even when I go home,'t get to see that yeah so i was a bit shocked yesterday that's right right in your face here yeah yeah i was really like sad about it yeah what are some of the uh rules in dubai that obviously we don't have here in america so in dubai usually like if you like you can't live in dubai if you cannot to live in Dubai.
OK. Like you just cannot live in Dubai.
So it's all rich people. No, it's not all rich people.
It's everybody with a job. Everybody.
Because you need to get a visa to live there. You have to do your medical.
You have to have a, like I said, job. So you have to have that.
OK. It's very important.
You have to have medical insurance to live in Dubai. Wow.
So so many rules that you have to have to live there. So for example, if you lose your job, it's very tough because it's a very expensive city.
You know, you have to live. And can your job be like remote, you know, like for example, if I moved to Dubai and still did this show and had my team here, they would be like, cool, as long as you're making money.
Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of money in dubai you can people make a lot of money in dubai you said your husband is from idaho so how did you end up in dubai oh with my husband so when i married my husband when i was 18 for opportunities kid so make it clear it's for opportunities i love her you know because i real because I don't feel like I don't think like women should marry somebody and struggle you know what I mean I feel like women should marry somebody that can take care of them be the bride winner that's in my culture maybe it's different I come from a culture that men take care of their wives and children the south it's like that too I'm from the south and it's similar Yeah? It's similar to that, yeah. Oh, cool.
I've never been. I want to go.
It's lovely. Where? Where in the South? Savannah, Georgia.
Beautiful. That's Atlanta, right? Close.
Like three hours away. Okay.
Okay. Okay.
Okay. Cool.
Yeah. I love Southland people.
I love how they speak. I love the accent.
Everything. Yeah.
Give it a girl a little son. Yeah.
So what was the question again? I made you a kid. How did you end up in Dubai? Oh, yeah.
So then when I married my husband, we moved to Brazil. And I was going to marry my cousin.
My cousin was very good looking. There was no problem with me not marrying my cousin.
It's part of my culture. And then when I met my husband, I was like, oh, my God.
He literally reminds me of Andam. So I was like, this is my dream.
I want to marry him. I want to get out of my village.
I want to have better opportunities in life.

So we moved to Brazil, got married in Brazil.

And then from Brazil, we moved to Dubai.

And then I went to Idaho.

And then I didn't know that Idaho.

So I thought America is a lay in the movies and New York.

Like big houses.

My husband's family had a big house.

But you see a lot of people. When I moved to Idaho, literally 20-something years, I couldn't find black people.
So I was like, there was no black people in Idaho. When I found one, I was so excited.
We became best friends. We're still friends till today.
We became best friends. I was like, oh my God.
But it was so cute because I was so young. Everybody was very friendly in idaho they are very uh welcoming so that's how i ended up in uh yeah see i got confused dubai okay why do you feel like they voted you off on traitors or killed you uh jealousy honestly it was very it was jealousy like you can see like carol and dindian interview and said that i was funny whether i was on camera or off camera okay and bob the drag queen actually i love him the moment i saw him i was like obsessed he's so tall right and he's funny too you know and i and we were having fun with everybody but i could just feel honestly every five seconds he's like you're so funny you're really really funny you were competition everybody likes you and and everybody likes me because when everybody died i'm not i'm not kidding you most of the cast reached out to say hi saying that they missed me when i left because it was a bit boring when i left because i was making them have fun you know and i really worked hard to stay you know because at one point when we did the Roro on the boat, I thought I was going to die because I didn't understand what was going on.
So Wells, my bestie for life, was helping me to understand the game because I got the show four days before I arrived. And they don't show traitors in Dubai, okay? So I saw clips of Fedra.
So I never watched the whole entire show right so I remember I messaged Andy and I was like Andy by the way I just got traitors he goes I know and I said but I've never watched the show he goes what do you mean he goes what do you mean I'm like he's like you have to watch the show I'm like I'm already in Scotland I just landed in Scotland because because when I was reached out and they called me like, do you want to do traitors? I was like, yes, I'm excited because I saw clips of Ferris. She's iconic.
Hate the bitch. Love the bitch, you know.
But so it was like, so she was iconic, right? So I was like, yeah, I want to do it. So when I got to the house, I was like, Wells, we need to be careful.
The dead man is going to kill us. Wells is like, who is the dead man? I'm like, the dead man that's going to come at night when we go to sleep, he's going to kill us.
And he was like, oh, my God, there's no dead man here. I'm like, no, we die.
Okay. We die.
So the dead man will murder us. So when we came from Rorobot, right, I was like, oh, my God, I did not know I was going to die.
I was really crazy. So we were in this room.
Right. And I was like oh my god I did not know I was gonna die so I was really crazy so we were in this room right and I was like to everybody it was I think it was I don't remember except I think it was Wells, Dylan, Derek, Danielle, I don't know if Bob the Bracken saw it maybe I don't know but there was a group of people so So I went to them, guys, seriously, I cannot die.

Okay.

I worked harder than a prostitute in that castle.

I was like, have you guys ever seen an African boobs in your life?

Like, I'm sure you've seen on TV, but you've never seen a real one.

Okay.

So I just showed them my boobs to everybody.

Okay.

Which is crazy because I'm married, but I have very good boobs.

That's how I got my husband because of my boobs at 12 o' 12 o'clock, like literally. They're standing and I've breastfed for years.
So, so I was there, right? And I was like, have you guys seen the, so I showed them my boobs and then I didn't die. And I was like, great, my boobs won't.
Who specifically? I mean, group of them. She said Dylan, Derek, Danielle.

Yeah, it was a group.

What gentlemen having... No one has spoken about it.

It really is gentlemen.

Yeah, I know.

I love them.

I love them.

I made really good friends there.

What was their reaction?

Were they doing things like this?

No, because they were just laughing

because I'm crazy naturally.

Was it a flash or did you let it marinate? No, I just shot them. For how long? Maybe I did a bit of bouncing, but they did see it.
They did definitely see the boobs. Yeah, they did.
And they literally said, I know for a fact they all told me my boobs was great. They killed me because they were jealous.
The traitors killed you overnight overnight yes but but the traitors didn't want to kill me so this i know the story will happen okay because i was mad as fuck right and i knew that danielle and uh and bob were traitors before i died which they didn't air to show it because when i went in i didn't know it but my instincts are very very good so I could feel like Bob kept on telling me you're so funny you're so funny everybody loves you but he would ignore me all day and treat me a little bit like shit and I was like okay whatever so I became friends with Wells a lot of Wells was like my friend in the house Dylan was my very good friend Brittany was my very good friend Danielle was my friend because Dylan made me be friends with her.

And of course, I'm friends with Dolores, Robin.

You know what I mean?

Like, I know the girls.

I know Dolores for years, you know?

So when I died, I knew immediately it was Bob.

But then Rob told me, because I messaged Rob, who thinks probably I'm a psychopath.

And I'm okay with Rob thinking that.

Because when he died, I messaged him every other day. Out of nowhere, just like you, I'll be like, why did you kill me? To Rob.
Oh, Ayan, you really have to watch it. I'm like, yeah, you know, I really love you.
I'm like, that's not the point. Three days later, I'm like, Rob, why did you kill me? Did he ever give you an answer? He told me, I didn't want to kill you.

And I do know that he didn't want to kill me because I watched it. But I know for a fact, because I'm a noisy person and I needed to find out what happened.
Bob came in and was like this. Stood there immediately and said, I have to die here and after and forever.
She's got to go. You know, he was so insistent.
And, you know, they shot two seconds of it. but the traitors told me he was so insistive about me dying that that they had no choice they gave up but caroline didn't want to kill me brob didn't want to kill me daniela was supposed to be my girl you know i mean honestly fuck her because i was closer to her than anyone else in the traitors so bob was Bob was just like, she's got to go.
She's got to go. But the good thing happened, which they didn't show.
I went to Wells and said to Wells, we don't trust Bob the drag queen. And Wells was like, yeah, we don't.
That was before we went to the counter table. And then when they killed my friend, I was in pain.
I was in pain. I cried so much.
I was so sad because Wells is such a kind-hearted human being. When I tell you he was there for me, he was really there for me.
Even Dylan was there for me a lot, okay? And Robin. So when I died, when Wells died, I went and I told Dylan and Robin that 100% Bob is the traitor.
So I was in a car with Bob and Wes. Oh, fuck, I hate Wes too.
Because Wes made me run for him. You know when they were in the thing? So nobody wanted to give Wes the gold.
So Wes, I felt like, you know what? He looks like a serial killer because he has bald-headed with the big red thing so that's why I asked him if he's on TikTok because I saw some crime show that looked a little bit like him okay so I was like okay are you on TikTok he goes no so I don't know if he's still on TikTok actually I think I asked him recently he's still not on TikTok but then I gave him all my coins and then he said I'll give you the shield so I was like, great. I'm safe.
The boob saved me. And now my Kenyan running skills just saved me.
So I'm not going to die. Are you fast? No, no.
Never run for any money in my life, including my husband. If he goes to me, go to the kitchen.
I'm like, bruh, walk. So I was running for wealth like crazy, picking up stuff.
And then, sandoval i you know you had to hit these things for the gold to come down so i was hitting it hitting it my gold came down and this grown-ass man ran and grabbed my gold and ran away with it and i was like you fucking stole it yes he stole my gold very tom sandoval he stole my gold oh so god so I was so mad about it and I was like okay he's just a cheater even when they gave me cheated on a girl okay and and I was like and I never ran before okay so I said to Wells which it didn't air I said Wells I have never run for nobody in my life okay I'm a fucking supermodel okay and here I'm running for you you better give me that shield he's like i'll give it to you okay never fucking gave it to me because if he gave me i would have been saved right okay and so i went to him and i said hey do you want to give me the shield that you promised me he's like yeah we'll talk about it and i never heard from him you know what to know right there yeah. And I'm the one that literally ran for him.

Right.

Yeah, you know?

So that was fucked up.

So fuck you, bitch.

Yeah.

Yes.

Yeah.

Oh, my God.

Yeah.

So did you ever talk to Tom Sandoval about stealing your gold?

No, because I died.

So I never had a chance.

You didn't DM him and say fuck you, bitch?

No, no, no.

He's not really on my radar.

Yeah.

Not really interested.

Yeah.

Yeah.

We see that you're friends with Sam. Yes.
I saw him here. He was here.
Yeah. So cute.
Because I tried to ask him so many questions about Brittany in the house. And he literally would not answer.
So the fact that I saw he opened up here, I really like that. Oh, thank you.
Yeah. I really like that.
Because I try to everything because I'm a conspiracy theorist, okay? So some people are like, maybe Brittany is not the Brittany dancing. There's an AI, you know? So sometimes I'm like looking into it to see, is it really the AI? Because I'm a conspiracy theorist, naturally.
But so I wanted to know more about it, you know? And I was asking because I love Brittany. Like I said, I love Brittany.
I love everything about that girl. But he wouldn't say anything.
So it was nice to hear him talk about it here. We're in Raising Cane's with the man that started it all.
Wait, are you the Yes Chef guy? We got chicken fingers, crinkle cut fries, Texas toast, and their world-famous cane sauce. I'm trying to tear right now.
Raisinging canes, chicken fingers, one love. You are very open about this like forced genital mutilation.
Can you talk about that? What is that? Okay, so in my culture, they circumcise girls and it's a very normal thing, right? So when I was five years old, I was circumcised. It's called female genital mutilation.
Right. And what are they? The clitoris? They circumcise you.
They cut you like there's different types. So there's one that they can cut.
They cut your clitoris. The one they sew you in.
So for me, I was sewn. So I couldn't pee for like, like I could pee, but it takes me longer.
And then when I had period, it was the worst experience of my life ever like until now I have

like coming from a very abusive father like I got the most abused out of him than anyone in my family you know I have broken bones like I literally have this yeah that he kicked me you know this going through in my life it's like that's why maybe I see things differently in life And so um i you have a lot of people that can have babies depression which i go through sometimes you have people that um like girls die so young and there's six countries now in africa that just decided that they want to bring it back wow yeah like it's normal so for example like a three-year-old girl that doesn't know anything that there's no anesthesia there's nothing they tied you in the bed you don't know what's going on and then when you get married like I was lucky my husband paid for me to be open a hospital but a lot of girls in my culture don't get that you have to go through your husband with your son for years and it's very painful and they and they don't take it seriously because the reason is like you have to get married when you're a virgin that's the the thing about it right so it's about virginity because the fathers want to get the cows they want to get the dowry because it's a big deal in our culture to get dowries and if you get married in our culture they have to make sure that you bleed to be a virgin i know it's like 20 25 but it's happening right now as we speak you know so for me it was it's so important for me but know it's like 20, 25, but it's happening right now as we speak, you know? So for me, it was, it's so important for me, but also it's like a taboo where sometimes I feel like I'm embarrassed to talk about it because I don't want people to see me like that's who I am. But then, cause I'm, I'm a mother, I'm a business woman and I, you know, why would you be embarrassed? It's something you went through.
It's, it's, it's, i think anyone who hears this story would think that that's a terrible thing to do to to children yeah it's really why do you feel embarrassed by it because it's like no it's like something that's so kept and hidden and then like when i talk about it i get bullied online a lot about it i get called prostitute which is like dLO I get like we don't claim you we don't want you they would literally go really deep into bullying me and things like that and it's sometimes like you're just like oh all I'm trying to do is save the girls yeah because I'm not on the planet just to be beautiful and argue with people to get paid on the show stuff like that is more to me than that me than that. This is something that I care about so much.
So I actually started a makeup line called Iron Beauty. And actually right now we have a blush that's dedicated to female genital mutilation.
And Prosit goes to that and try to bring awareness to it because I feel like no one is talking about it. Of course, I do have a few Somali friends of mine that are famous, but they cannot talk about it because you get bullied for it.
They're scared to talk about it. Yeah, they're very, very scared to talk about it.
I couldn't go home. My classmates know this.
Caroline Sambri knows this. Sarah, they know it because I showed them the messages.
I couldn't go home to pick my mom, who has who has dementia because she cannot fly by herself because my dad had put like a lot of threats yeah you know and it's like very bad threats you know so that like affected me with my mom so as much as I'm opening about it I'm talking about it I also know it's like puts really bad situation on me like I haven't gone home for like eight months to nine months because I'm scared to go home. I'm so sorry.
Yeah, because, yeah, I'm so scared. When did you realize that like what they're doing to young girls is not okay? How old were you? When I left, when I left, because when you're raised in an environment that you think it's normal, you don't see it not being normal.
And I don't know if I should say this but I was I think 18 and one of my very good friends from Brazil was very open-minded about sex which I found is so weird because in my culture we're not that open-minded about sex it's like women you're not supposed to talk about sex you're just supposed to lay down carry babies and shut up right that's your job right so she was very open about sex she was like i'm dating this guy oh i broke up with this guy i'm with a new guy i'm with this near the new guy i'm going on a date and i thought that was so fascinating for me coming from my village where like you need to be home at five if you're five at home my mom will be two because where are you you know and i wasn't and i you know i'm i've already I'm halfway through I just can't say home, my mom would be cute because where are you? You know? And I wasn't, and I, you know, I've already, I'm halfway through. I just can't say it.
Like, my mom would be like, did anybody touch you? You know? Like, open your legs, you know? And they would check because, yeah, if you're okay and stuff like that, you know? And so when she was so outgoing and she was so dating, and I thought that was, wow, people really do this? This is a different world, you know? And then she was talking about porn. And she was so dating and I thought that was wow people really do this this is a different world you know and then she was talking about porn and she was like yeah and I was like what the hell is that so when I watched it and then I saw oh my body part doesn't look the same as these girls you know that's how you found that's how I found out I was like oh wow it's so different then they hit my head and I was like, oh, wow, it's so different.
Then it hit my head. And I was like, oh, my God, this is so different from what I know.
Because she had, I don't know how, my God, we're going too far, but she had lips and I don't have that. So I was like, oh, my God, people are like, why is it so different? Then I was like, oh, because you block it when you're young.
Right. You know? And then everybody's normal around you.
And then I was like, oh, shit. This is not normal.
No. Because I had to go through again to the doctor to open it.
And then I had my son, which was already another torture because you have to go through it. So basically, yeah, my vagina has been through a lot.
I'm sorry. I'm laughing.
But it's my coping mechanism. I always laugh at things.
So that's why it's so important for me to talk about it because I really, especially six countries bringing it back. New York Times wrote about it recently that they're bringing it back.
And it breaks my heart. It really breaks my heart.
And I appreciate you bringing awareness to that because I didn't know the half of that. Yeah.
A lot of people don't know it exists. And it's just worse to me.
Like as child trafficking to me, it's really worse. And people don't know about it because imagine, do you have kids? Yeah.
I have a daughter, one year old. Oh, wow.
Yeah. That's beautiful.
Yeah. See, she's safe.
This is why I like, I want girls to be safe like that. That's my priority in life.
After you found out, did you go back to your sisters? Did you have questions? Did you let them know? So when I found out, I went, I was in Brazil, went back home and I was telling my cousins, you know, this is not normal. Like, why can't you, you know, we're not allowed to talk to boys because of the dowry situation.
And also in my culture, it's like, they really talk, you know, and they can ruin your name by being like, oh like oh we saw her with a boy and then immediately the whole village and the clans think like oh my god she's done something then you're losing your bank account for your family right because dowry is so important you know what i mean like my husband paid for my dowry because it's it's like in my custom it's a custom you know so when back, I told them, they were like, what do you mean?

It's not normal.

I was like, yeah, I watch this.

Like, what?

That's haram because we're Muslim.

Like, that's not okay.

But also you mentioned you went to, you're Catholic.

I actually went to Catholic school.

Really?

Yeah.

It was my fun time ever in my life.

Because I don't know if the Catholic schools in America are the same, in America is the same as Africa.

In Africa, we dance in the church.

In my culture, you cannot really dance in front.

So I've always done things that I'm not supposed to do.

Thank you. the same in America, same as Africa.
In Africa, we dance in the church. In my culture, you cannot really dance in front.
So I've always done things that I'm not supposed to do. The father loved me so much that they would allow me to walk through the church and do things like, because I always wanted to be different with different things, you know? So yeah, it's definitely a fucked up situation.
And I feel like that's my priority in life to bring awareness to it. And do you feel like the more awareness around it, it'll kind of put more pressure on them to stop doing it? Yes.
I feel like so I feel like if I keep talking about it, maybe five people will listen to it. Maybe they will talk about because nobody knows about it.
So I'm just like if they talk about it, talk about maybe more people will talk about it. Maybe we we'll save more girls together right yeah because i feel like if by the time because the other day i woke up and i was like oh my god ian you're gonna be 16 10 years and i started to freak out at 3 a.m i don't know why god would remind me that in the middle of this yeah you know so i was like why you know and i was like but you haven't you know? So I need to do more.
I need to do this. This is my priority in life.
What is really brave of you to talk about it? Obviously, it is something that like you even mentioned that you're kind of scared about and that people in your culture are scared about. So I do really applaud you for talking about that.
You made a good one. I have i have a great one yeah you did um you were tweeting some funny things throughout trader yeah are we still tweeting funny things have you stopped or no no so i so i was mad right and they pissed me off and honestly i feel like they really take this job seriously yeah like they really play this game seriously like I want to see fun yeah you know I think that's why when I died they were like Ayan there was so much fun died when you left you know Kreshal was like oh my god you were so fun when you left there was no fun Dylan was like you know you were so fun but I love my boy Dylan so much because I tweet a lot about him.
Because before I left, I told him that Bob was the traitor. And then when I walked into the room, they had my name.
And babes, I literally bawled crying. I literally went into like panic attack and cried because I was like, why am I dead? I don't deserve this.
I've been entertaining all these people for free in this castle you know so I was like I shouldn't die but then I started telepathic to to to Dylan because I believe in telepathy so I was just like in my room when I died I was like Dylan talk about the drug queen Dylan please make sure he's dead Dylan Dylan and you reached him it worked yeah because the next day he was dead you know he was dead and I was like yes it worked you know you gotta tell a path to people when you have connections all about connection I was like yeah Dylan I was like literally calling Dylan's name and then he made it happen and then when of course when he came from the traitors we, I think two hours almost. So he told me everything that happened.
He's like, don't worry, I got you. I was so upset when you murdered you.
And I knew it was him. So I first said, it's like the first time I tried, it didn't work.
But the second time it worked and he's out, you know? And I was like, love him so much. Were you sad about Dubai not coming back? so we were not told we're not coming back to be honest we were told we were paused is it like a logistical thing just because of Dubai being kind of so far away and just like different time zones or why do you think it has been paused on pause? people online said when we were airing season two that we reminded them of the old Housewives.

There was a lot of good reviews compared to New York Housewives.

And my cousin is in New York Housewives. Yeah, I was going to ask you about that.

Yeah.

I want to ask you about that.

Oh, yeah, that's fine.

Yeah, you can ask me.

So, you know, we got great reviews.

We were doing fun things.

You know, my cast members are really crazy and good. So honestly, did not expect that call.
Okay, like, hey, guys, they've decided to put you guys on pause, but we never know, you know, didn't. Because I thought we were going to start filming in a few weeks.
Right. You know, because they were talking to us like, what's going on with you in your life and all that stuff, you know? And and also i feel like you guys didn't get to meet uh you missed a lot of chance because you know we have like better than shy in our cast really allegedly allegedly yeah so we had a lot of good things coming we had a lot of strong storylines there was so much that was gonna to happen that you guys are missing out.
And I just feel like I'm great TV. My son is moving to New York, to college, you know? Yeah, maybe he wants his mom there.
I just feel like Uba could really use... Me, some kind of help.
Help. Yeah, yeah.
How is Uba? Have you talked to Uba since... Yes, I just talked to her two days ago.
How's she doing? Yesterday, I told her I've landed in New York, LA. Don't even know where I am because I'm jet lagged.
I told her I'm here. She's good.
She's better. The family is taking care of her.
You know, I put her first. I knew what was going on, of course, everything.
And I care that she's in a good mental place now.

She's better. She's very forgiving.

She's better than me. Let's just put it out there.

There was a nice

end to the reunion moment that

they had between her and Brynn.

Yeah.

I felt like it was Uba being the bigger person.

100%. Of course.

Of course.

It takes the bigger person to do the bigger thing when they're not even wrong yeah right that's it's volumes i would like to see you on roni oh wow oh wow oh like oh wow no no no not oh wow oh wow oh no like like i might go Maybe I will go film a scene with my cousin. Maybe I'll have fun with her.
Maybe if she has an event, I'll show up and support her. You're obviously excellent television.
We didn't get quite near enough of you on Traders. You think I'm good at television? Aw, thank you.
Absolutely. We're becoming friends.
You know you're good television. I am the best television.
There's no one like me in Housewives. It's true.
You're excellent. Nowives it's true there's no one like me I'm saying that out of like good heart not like some of them are the same from different shows they're literally the same characters you can find but me no no there's no one like me there's never anyone like me he's ever seen on Housewives yeah you're great you're one It's so good to have you.
I loved this. Come back.
Please come back on the show whenever you're back in town. Or maybe we can do it remotely or something.
But don't be a stranger. Yes, I would love that.
If you're in Idaho, you can. Anytime you want to bully me on my DMs, please feel free.
I know that was so funny though. I was a little disappointed you unsent them after I called you out on it.

Yeah, I unsent them because I felt like, you know what?

That was our memory.

That was our beginning of our relationship.

I tell you why I unsent them.

Because I was like, I started to research you.

And then I found out you have a beautiful wife.

Then I was like, he's grown.

And she's taking, you know, she's made him grown and she's very pretty.

So she's doing a great job.

Thank you. That's what I was trying.
I'm trying. Just, you know, be careful what you believe on the internet.
I'm just saying. You're doing great.
But no, but honestly, I'm so happy to have met you. I was really looking forward to this.
That's why I asked you if you live in LA because I knew like you have a podcast and I was like, maybe I should go. My sister actually told me about you.
My sister, Ifrah, she was like, if you're going to LA for traitors, maybe you should reach out to Nick Vance. He has a very good podcast.
So you should do it. So that's why I went to you and I was like, do you live in LA? Because I was coming to LA.
So that was the reason. And then I discovered.
Yeah. Then that's when, yeah, yeah.
Yeah. Then he's like, oh my God.
Yeah. But now we're friends.
And you call me the hottest man in America. So like we can yeah in America.
Thank you Yeah, really really gorgeous and he has a really big day I would watch you guys. Okay, goodbye What a dream I just don't remember anyone calling me the best-looking guy in America.

I've called you that.

Every morning when you wake up, I say you were the best-looking guy in America.

Yeah, I forgot.

I wasn't listening.

I've told you guys you need to watch Dubai, and one of the reasons is Chanel.

I'm obsessed with her.

She's unafraid to say.

We started watching a little bit, and then the season wrapped, and then paused.

I really think Dubai so far. I'm just wondering if she would do other TV.
You can fly me out. I'll go to Dubai.
I could see you in Dubai. Have you ever been? No, but my roommates are in Dubai.
So I know a lot of the customs. Your roommates are in Dubai? No, from Dubai.
She lives in my house. Apartment.
Roommates. Your long distance roommate.
I want to get on a plane that has a cabin. No, I want to get on a plane that has a shower.
Both. Not that I would use it, but.
Did she say there's a shower? Yeah. Outside of the cabin.
She said Will Smith went and took a shower. On Emirates.
Ugh. I want to go to Dubai just to go on that plane.
Do you remember in New York Housewives when Jussel's husband got a lot of shit about his points, but he takes the flight to Bahrain to get a certain sandwich or whatever, but to up his points. The actual flight is like a hotel.
It's like gourmet food. They have a full-on living room for you to hang out with for your personal, yeah, a full bed to lay down in.
We gotta do this. It's a $20,000 ticket.
Oh, my God. At some point in our lives, Manifestating, we will be on Emirates at some point.
Manifestating, what did I say? Manifestating. At least it's an experience.
Listen lives Manifestating we will be on Emirates at some point At least it's an experience Manifestating You gotta get out of row 50 first I have to get to row fucking one Before I get to Emirates Thank you to our guest Chanel Ayan And Lauren from Love is Blind Also if you haven't listened to the Bella Thorne episode, everyone's talking about it's an absolute

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regret it. We will see you next week

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