E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus

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Speaker 4 What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another jam-packed episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I am your host, Nick, and I could not be more excited about this episode.

Speaker 4 Let's just like preview exactly what we got going on. First, shortly, in a few minutes, have Lauren from Love is Blind this season to basically help us clear up our great debate.

Speaker 5 And who did? She did listen to our debate.

Speaker 4 So she does have a take on our debate. She hates Nick.
Yeah, no.

Speaker 4 She does say she loves me. Anyway, so that is

Speaker 4 coming up shortly. Lots of good information from Lauren.
And

Speaker 4 yeah, I'm excited for you guys to hear that. Then we have the very iconic Chanel Ayon.

Speaker 5 I can't wait to ask her. Is it Aya? Are we calling her Aya?

Speaker 4 Is it Ayan? Is it Chanel? I don't know. She obviously shortly recently on her way here, literally on her way here, she was on a flight with the one and only Will Smith.

Speaker 4 Posted a picture with him, as she often does. She gave her input and opinion on Mr.
Smith himself. So very excited to talk to her about all things.
Will Smith.

Speaker 4 Do you think he's been forgiven for slapping Chris Rock or no? In general, by the public? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 I don't think anyone gives a fuck, really. He still is a ban from the, like, he has a lifetime ban from the Oscars, which is kind of.

Speaker 5 Well, I mean, as he should.

Speaker 4 Not really.

Speaker 5 I didn't assault someone. One of the funniest things

Speaker 4 I've ever seen in my life.

Speaker 5 Oh, he said he was sorry. Well, thank God he said he was sorry.
Yeah. He's slapped.

Speaker 4 I mean, listen, it's not okay, but like...

Speaker 6 Sometimes a comedian needs to get slapped.

Speaker 4 I don't think if you punch someone, you're okay with this. You didn't get a lifetime ban from things.

Speaker 5 You don't think that the Oscars are like, yeah, sure, Will Smith, we can trust you to come back and not assault any of our presenters.

Speaker 4 For sure, come on back. I think he learned his lesson, and I feel like that's the most that was the most interesting the Oscars has been in, I don't know how long.

Speaker 6 I think the Oscars would do much better in ratings if it was also WWE Smackdown for sure. Like, I want to see Timothy Chalamay go up against

Speaker 4 the Grugalist guy. The winner gets the slam of all the other people while being like, I just want to like, I want to shout out to all my nominees.

Speaker 6 I want Club Chalamet to throw hands in the audience.

Speaker 4 Is he nominated for anything? Timothy? Yeah. Yeah.
He's been. He nominated for everything.

Speaker 6 Oh, Club Chalamet has been. For what?

Speaker 4 He can sing as good as Bob Dylan, which I guess biopic.

Speaker 4 I think we need a band biopics

Speaker 4 as part of Oscar nomination.

Speaker 6 I agree.

Speaker 5 Did you see that people think Millie Bobby Brown is going to be Britney Spears in her biopic?

Speaker 7 Because she posted one pic of her blonde hair.

Speaker 4 With blonde hair.

Speaker 4 With some Y2K skinners on it. That was going to be a no from me, dog.

Speaker 5 I don't think they can do someone from England England to play Britney. Like, I'm sure she has a great little southern.

Speaker 4 But, like, no, come on. We just talked about last on Tuesday how brilliantly.
That's true, Jason.

Speaker 4 Yeah, that is true. I'll show the channel.
Is playing Thomas Robin?

Speaker 5 Is playing Thomas Robin L.

Speaker 4 Speaking of White Lotus, though? Chris Pratt is super into his brother-in-law's cock. They're not blood, so.
No, they're not blood.

Speaker 6 No, sometimes when people say things like that.

Speaker 4 He didn't say cock. He said dick.

Speaker 5 Dick. For some reason, that word will always be jarring to me.

Speaker 4 He said that dick.

Speaker 4 But it wasn't a prosthetic it was patrick sorcheneger's real dick different yeah he said i know one for the champion his fiancé so i was it was it big that's definitely like i definitely was like i mean i i saw it i watched the episode i didn't like pause and be like oh wow i was more focused on it while you were at work

Speaker 4 i was more focused on like was another being kind of into it and i don't know what's going on with these siblings yeah but was he kind of into it he was definitely into it he was having that's weird i don't know

Speaker 4 it was full ass shot. I mean, Mike White.
My mom over this whole like ancestral.

Speaker 6 Mike White has said that this family... Well,

Speaker 6 after the like inside the episode thing, Parker Posey was saying that Mike White had told her that this family was monkeys.

Speaker 6 It's representative of monkeys and like physical aggression and stuff like that, which.

Speaker 6 There's been a lot of monkeys in pop culture recently.

Speaker 5 Did Mike White watch Chimp Crazy?

Speaker 6 I need to know if Mike White watched Chimp Crazy.

Speaker 5 Chim Crazy. I loved that.

Speaker 7 Severance is the most watched series on Apple TV Plus history.

Speaker 4 It might be one of the best shows ever created. Honestly, no, no, no.

Speaker 6 Mysterious and important.

Speaker 5 No. Have y'all started watching Paradise on Hulu? No, but I've heard about it.

Speaker 5 We watched the first episode last night. Uh-huh.
I think it's going to be like one of the best. I think it's going to, I think.

Speaker 4 First of all, it's not going to be one of the best. It's going to be fun and entertaining.
And like, I mean, who knows? I guess it could be. I mean, James Marzen is in it.

Speaker 4 But like, compared to Severance and the mind fuck that that is.

Speaker 4 But you don't think this is also a mind fuck no i think of how it's like i mean spoiler alert it's spoiled in the first episode like it's it's it's about like a potential like asteroid or like a world the world ending and like somehow you have to live under the ground you have to live underground

Speaker 4 you know so there's so the sun is like a big light that's like pointing down and it's everything is giving ember city did you know there's a three percent chance that an asteroid is going to hit the earth in like less than three years and that used to be be like a 1% chance and now it's not anymore.

Speaker 4 It changed.

Speaker 9 I heard that it changed.

Speaker 4 Is the asteroid kind of hit or not?

Speaker 6 I don't think we'll find out until it

Speaker 7 I don't know about this asteroid.

Speaker 9 It says that it's no longer going to be hitting Earth. At least that's what my stepfather told me.
Maybe he was just trying to make me calm down.

Speaker 5 I don't know.

Speaker 6 If an asteroid hits, we don't have to be able to do that.

Speaker 4 It's only 3%. So there's like a one in 40 chance or some 48.

Speaker 7 CBS news asteroid 2024 no longer poses significant threat to Earth in 2032.

Speaker 4 Oh, thank God. Girl, that wasn't the next couple of years.

Speaker 5 Can we stop this conversation on a Kate Hudson flirting with everybody?

Speaker 6 Yeah, I really want your guys' opinion on this. Kate Hudson has admitted that she flirts with everybody, but her fiancé is okay with it.
I'm the biggest flirt on the planet.

Speaker 6 So I think anybody who's ever been with me is very aware I flirt with everybody. Girls, boys, thank God Danny is my partner.
He can handle this. I met the right guy.

Speaker 4 I mean, if she met the right guy, then she met the right guy. I think it's definitely a unique thing for them.

Speaker 5 I think it's an interesting conversation because I think, like, me being from the South, it's very like, obviously, people take being nice as flirting all the fucking time.

Speaker 5 If I acted the same way I act in the South here in LA, like it would be scary because men would be like, you know, in the South, you go to like the grocery store and you're talking to like the bagger and you're like, oh my God, like, I love that shirt.

Speaker 5 You look handsome today. Yes, sir.
Like, oh, yes, sir. And I was there yesterday.
You know, you have like a conversation, a little banter with someone. You make them laugh.

Speaker 5 If that happened in LA, they would like follow you to your car.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Sure.
It's trader jokes. I also just think it's incredibly situational.

Speaker 4 Like if you were doing that with some random person, whatever, if you were doing that with someone who like was 6'2, had a beard, a couple tats, more flannel.

Speaker 4 Like, maybe not, you know? No.

Speaker 5 And I think, I think the difference is like Kate Hudson being like, I'm, she's not trying to like take these people home or like fuck them or kiss them or like, she's just like, I think what Kate Hudson is saying is like, she's nice and her way of nice is like taken as flirty.

Speaker 4 Okay. Question though.
Is Kate Hudson in any way responsible regardless of what she thinks is appropriate?

Speaker 4 Like, let's say it's a married person, someone in a relationship, man, woman, doesn't really matter, you know?

Speaker 4 Should she be mindful of like how her quote-unquote flirtiness is received by any of these people she's flirting with? Well, I'm sure she's also,

Speaker 5 I'm sure she's also flirting with their wife, girlfriend, partner as well. Yeah.
You know, I'm sure she's being nice to everybody.

Speaker 6 That's such a power move. You get mad that someone's flirting with your boyfriend and then they start flirting with you too.

Speaker 4 And there's huge difference. And I know they're right.
A lot of people like will perceive niceness as flirting, you know, and it's definitely not flirting.

Speaker 4 But there's also flirting that's straight up flirting.

Speaker 6 No, totally. But is flirting, like, what's the line with like flirting as far as like unfaithfulness?

Speaker 5 I think if you, if you have intentions of like wanting doing something to do something, like if your intention is not, is like anything more than just flirting nice yeah

Speaker 4 if your intention is to receive some type of validation from this person then it's completely inappropriate yeah if you're not thinking you're flirting

Speaker 4 then it's not but if you're just like a net you're the kind of person that like everyone you're just like naturally like charming and charismatic and flirty and give people that sort of attention yeah but a lot of times that's just who you are sure but flirts and i've i i've always been like a flirt there's an element of like you want it back you know there's a a banter yeah you know and and when i was just being nice,

Speaker 4 you know, if I might say, oh, you look great today, like, it's a beautiful dress, or that's a cool thing. I don't think, I don't, I don't say that's flirting, I'm just like commenting on the dress.

Speaker 4 If I say, oh, that

Speaker 4 looks sexy on you, yeah, completely different.

Speaker 5 Yeah, if Kate Hudson is saying someone is looking sexy in the grocery store, like maybe I want to be in that grocery store. I would like to be called sexy by Kate Hudson.

Speaker 4 Well, Michaela Matthews from Mormon Wives is clapping back because I'm curious. Did we find out what the critics were saying?

Speaker 6 Yeah, so basically she had posted on Instagram

Speaker 6 sharing, like announcing that she was pregnant. And she was saying that she's like, she felt like this baby was like healing her.

Speaker 4 And she is the one who is suffering from this kind of skin condition that she's been battling for years, hasn't really been able to get under control. Yes.
It's been really difficult for her.

Speaker 7 She calls it a chronic illness.

Speaker 4 A chronic illness. It is a chronic illness.

Speaker 6 Yes. And certain comments,

Speaker 6 there were many comments on the post. Some of them were like very, very supportive, but there were some that like one of them said probably just needs more money on social media.

Speaker 6 These YouTubers make a lot of money showing their pregnancies, clout babies. And so she clapped back to them.

Speaker 6 For whatever reason, people were so weird when I said that I hope this baby heals me, but I mean it when I say this baby has already brought me so much healing, both physically and mentally.

Speaker 6 I hate it every day being in my body and getting pregnant.

Speaker 6 I've come to appreciate my body and how hard it has worked the last couple of years to fight all the rashes, all the illness, and now to create life and bring our little baby into the world.

Speaker 4 As someone who's at a front row see to my mom having a handful of pregnancies and just like being lucky enough to be around women who have been pregnant, like a pregnancy can be incredibly healing and therapeutic, both physically and mentally.

Speaker 4 And like I think it's just so fucking weird for me

Speaker 4 to criticize that, especially someone who really truly has been struggling. with her chronic illness that she's been struggling with.

Speaker 5 And also like there's a huge difference between people who like talk about their family and share their experiences if they're online versus like who you know are use their kid as props and clearly are doing like skits with their kids if you're teaching your kid a tick tock dance or a trend on tick tock like that's exploiting your children having your children be a part of your social media and just like showing your daily life of like your children is just a privacy choice yeah it's just but i think this is like clearly she has talked about how she has hated her body her body like feels like it's betraying her or whatever whatever and so to now be pregnant it is a sense of like wait i do love my body like it's growing a baby like and to like be able to have appreciation for her body and love her body again is like totally healing i totally see what she's talking about i mean people talk about all the time like you know me myself having childhood trauma and all this stuff and like trauma of just like how i was parented and stuff like that it's like having river is like healing my inner child because I get to parent her the way that like I wasn't and I get to give her the childhood that like I didn't have or whatever, you know Natalie I completely agree with you like I have definitely like struggled with certain things in my life and like being pregnant and like going through that whole thing like can be incredibly healing for multiple reasons emotionally physically and I just feel like just in general people need to like

Speaker 7 mind their own business when it comes to stuff like that it's tough because you know the internet is full of them well anyways we uh get sending love to michaela because obviously what she's going through is that you know dealing with a chronic skin problem is for anyone difficult and it sucks so sending her all the love and good health to her and her her child well breaking news Karen Huger's sentence finally came out so if you remember Nick this is the grand dame from Potomac who this whole season she was like the truth will prevail the truth will prevail leave it up to the courts and she's the one who referred to herself as Thomas Jefferson's concubine yes and the truth yes and the truth has been prevailed now so she is sentenced to two years in prison with one year suspension the decision means Karen will be behind bars for 12 months Prosecutors citing Karen's three previous DUIs originally asked the judge for two years in prison with six months suspended for the Reality Star's latest arrest.

Speaker 7 And this is amidst her also saying like her lawyers try to take the angle of her parents both passed away years previous. It was hard.

Speaker 7 So this is after like Karen's team also tried to like lighten the load with like her going to rehab and them claiming that she lost her parents in the past year and it was hard for her.

Speaker 7 And that kind of spiraled her into this like cycle. But yeah, she's going two years in prison.
So adding another

Speaker 4 how many Bravos

Speaker 4 celebrities have gone to prison? Many.

Speaker 4 Jen Shaw. Jen Shaw.
Teresa Judas.

Speaker 7 Monica Garcia. Technic.
There's a lot that have been arrested. So it's

Speaker 4 prison. I don't mean arrested.

Speaker 7 I saw a list the other day and it's a long list, but like it just, it depends on what you're considering prison. So like with this one, she was sentenced.

Speaker 4 Yes, prison.

Speaker 7 But for her, she was sentenced to two years in prison, but it's one year suspension. So it's like

Speaker 4 fully incarcerated for any period of time.

Speaker 6 Karen Huger will be fully incarcerated for for one year. The other year, it's just a suspension.

Speaker 4 It's just the two.

Speaker 5 Just the two that have served time in prison. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Well, Jensha, Teresa, and now Karen. So three.
Yeah. That's wild.

Speaker 5 Well, Wes Wilson did

Speaker 5 support kind of our claims about Lindsey Hubbard not really having a choice about next summer. Wes Wilson thinks there's no way Lindsey Hubbard will be back for summer house season 10.

Speaker 5 He responded to the question by saying there's no way, I don't know, unless unless they bring the baby. I don't think I can babysit.
I don't know how that works.

Speaker 4 Do you think this is more like a Wes Wilson opinion, or do you feel like he has insider information?

Speaker 5 I think this is definitely a Wes Wilson opinion.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I think he always is giving a Wes Wilson opinion.

Speaker 5 Nobody expected you to babysit.

Speaker 5 I don't think anyone gives Wes Wilson insider information, but I do think that it's like, I mean, I had the same thought of like, how the hell is she going to make this work? Yeah.

Speaker 6 Who in Summerhouse do you think you would trust to babysit Lindsay's baby?

Speaker 5 Sierra. She's a nurse.

Speaker 4 Yeah, dodge. Sierra would be the best.
Yeah, Sierra. I think Amanda.
Oh, yeah, she's going to be dogs. She could if she had to.

Speaker 6 Is Kyle there? Because I don't know if his DJ set is going to, like, if he can babysit a lullaby.

Speaker 4 Yeah, Entire Cast is kind of giving you baby.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Sierra is a nurse.

Speaker 5 So Sierra takes care of people, and I would trust her to take care of myself.

Speaker 4 Sierra could crush it.

Speaker 6 Sierra would crush it. Paige would just be in bed on her phone as Sierra is babysitting.

Speaker 4 I feel like Paige would kind of be like using a wooden spoon to like kind of nudge the baby if she had to push it.

Speaker 7 Yeah. Paige is hiring the nanny to watch the baby.

Speaker 4 Yes.

Speaker 4 Yes. Paige will put up fun.

Speaker 4 This thing has been crying.

Speaker 5 You should do something about it.

Speaker 6 Carl is like, I

Speaker 6 mentally and physically cannot do this.

Speaker 7 Well, he's not in the room. It's Lindsay's baby.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 That's true.

Speaker 7 Real House House of Orange County is filming. Have you been seeing that? Like people are like taking photos of like the cast and stuff.

Speaker 4 Who cares?

Speaker 4 Sorry. Let's go a little Beverly Hills before Chanel gets in.

Speaker 7 Well, who does care is the friends of a lot of the OC cast members who are also on Beverly Hills?

Speaker 4 Speaker, Jason.

Speaker 4 Your girl was really on one last night.

Speaker 7 She was, but honestly, I don't care what she was doing.

Speaker 5 You still supported it?

Speaker 4 Really?

Speaker 7 I think if you're going to provoke her, then you have to be ready to have someone go low with you.

Speaker 4 Here's a question I have for you all of you. Who is the most never wrong person in the cast of Beverly Hills Housewives? Every single one of the cast.
As of now? Yeah. Like the most...

Speaker 4 Hands down. No, no, no.
Oh.

Speaker 4 What I mean by who's the most, like, in their, in this person's opinion, the most like never wrong Sutton

Speaker 4 I don't know I mean she has stiff competition Erica Jane screamed I'm Erica Jane yeah defended her earrings still to this day and she could not have been more wrong about that Kyle you know every other episode she's kind of like talking out of one side and doing another I think they all have their moments

Speaker 5 and they have to all have their moments or else it is boring television yeah yeah but they really like

Speaker 4 this particular cast I feel like more than any other cast is like really stick their heels in the middle of the moment.

Speaker 6 I mean, rarely do you get a housewife that is like, you know what?

Speaker 4 I was wrong.

Speaker 5 It does really bother me that the, like, the women don't speak up in moments.

Speaker 5 I feel like it would make for such better television if, like, at that table when Sutton is saying, like, yeah, our wallets don't match and like this and that.

Speaker 4 And all the women are kind of like, ooh.

Speaker 5 ooh, but no one wants to speak up and say anything. And kind of like, you know, it's like you stand up for like what's right and what's wrong.

Speaker 5 And like none of these women have anything to fucking say you're right they sit in silence and they wait for their itms a little bit yeah they all erica did was you think you're bigger than her you think you have more money it's like asking these questions yeah it is kind of goading but it's like even then where it's like you all got silent and had like a sigh that happened unanimously across the table just like okay that was just said and then you have garcel somehow still kind of come back to to defend sutton and i'm like just let these two women work it out if that's what you guys are doing but defending somebody in this situation fool's errand sutton seemed drunk to begin with well can we start here during was 100 provoking sutton any chance she got she ordered a water and she said was that because of our conversation 100 yeah she makes and then she came to fight and dore

Speaker 7 they both did she perpetuates this narrative consistently that she's a drunk and like you even have like fay being like well i have the same drinking habits morally correct i mean except that like sutton recently went did an interview but like every housewife has done that interview where they say their drink order like we know durie's carcass out.

Speaker 7 We know her order by hand.

Speaker 4 There's a difference between an order and like Sutton. Routine.
And Sutton, and I quote, she did an interview and she, and this is a response, I have a drinking regimen that I do, Sutton revealed.

Speaker 4 At around 10 a.m. I think that's okay for your first cocktail of the day.
And then I try to, it's just consistency through the day that I'm nicer. So she starts every day at 10 a.m.

Speaker 4 and then consistently drinks all day. How has that not

Speaker 4 a drinking problem?

Speaker 7 But I think the context is that a lot of housewives have similar drinking problems.

Speaker 7 Well, I'm not saying they have problems. I'm saying Doreet is perpetuating the narrative that it is a problem when it might not be a problem.

Speaker 7 But like everybody's drinking that way, even Marty Soul says she has a screwdriver every time. She doesn't drink water.
She drinks vodka. So it's like, you know, like,

Speaker 7 a lot of them are, but a lot of them are doing it, but it's Doreen saying, you specifically, Sutton, are drunk.

Speaker 7 And then it's even Kyle being like, she has this context of her dad having abuse issues and like, that's why it is triggering, but no one's acknowledging that.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I mean, they're just saying she's overreacting.

Speaker 4 she does seem to have kind of a problem and it's obviously triggering for her because like i don't know i don't know many people who are or who are heavy drinkers who appreciate anyone else saying anything so i don't know i thought dereette was a savage and i i really love and and and we if you go as low as she did like that whole line about throwing out like basically you know dereit's going through a divorce right now clearly she is not of the and has the same financial means as some of her peers and throwing that in her face, especially that whole episode opened up with, again, Sutton, you know, we now know that Sutton gets any, what, around what, three, how many hundred thousand after taxes a month.

Speaker 4 And she's like, I mean, obviously maybe joking with Jennifer Tilley talking about like she's looking for a billionaire, like as if like it's never enough.

Speaker 4 But like that line basically suggests that like she marries for money and then like that, and you know, knowing that's how she accumulated her wealth.

Speaker 4 And then she's throwing that in Dorit's face as if like that was some sort of accomplishment or that she's better than Dorit, or that Dorit doesn't have a place to like speak up or have an opinion in front of Sutton because she's not as like her ex-husband isn't as rich as her ex-husband.

Speaker 7 I mean, it's um I do think it was going low, that comment, but also I think the context of like she is consistently poking Sutton that I'm like, you know what?

Speaker 4 If you're gonna poke the bear, the bear is gonna like bark back, you know, so it's like but who started, I mean, I it's gone back so far, but can anyone really say who started it at this point?

Speaker 7 I mean, go back to the OG OG days when Sutton is like, let the mouse go, Dorit.

Speaker 7 Like, Dorit's always been like going after Sutton, I think out of like love, trying to like understand her, but it's like, Sutton's telling you, stop poking me.

Speaker 5 Also, I was going to say, too, is that I'm like, I think a lot of people give a little too much credit where like, I love Dorit, but it's like, I don't think Dorit is like super malicious or like, I just think that she says things and maybe doesn't think about how it's going to affect somebody or like the question of like with the context.

Speaker 5 She just says things. So I'm like, I understand that she can be offensive.
But even then, she sat there across from Sutton and apologized, being like, I am so sorry.

Speaker 5 I would love to understand why, but you're not even going to take that apology. And what did Sutton do? Not take the apology.

Speaker 7 Was that genuine, though? I don't think she was going to take the apology, but like her apology wasn't genuine.

Speaker 4 I had loved what she was like, okay, let's try. Yes.
I thought

Speaker 4 that was fucking awesome.

Speaker 7 If someone did that to you, you would be like, girl.

Speaker 4 No, of course. Like, listen, there clearly are not, you know, I'm not saying that Dorit was like pleasant and nice and like the bigger person here.
She wasn't at all.

Speaker 4 I just kind of love the way she fought a little bit better than Sutton.

Speaker 4 And I will say that, like, going back to last season, other than Kyle and now Bose, like, this rest of this group, they're fucking mean to Darit.

Speaker 4 They fucking bully her, they are mock her and talk behind her back, and they're just fucking cruel to her.

Speaker 4 And if you're Darit and you're just like, fuck these people, they're constantly minimizing me and condescending me and talking down to me. It is hard for me to see that, like, Sutton and Garcel.

Speaker 7 And Kyle technically in this scenario.

Speaker 4 Kyle sometimes are the ones being picked on in this group because it just Dorit finally has an ally in Bose.

Speaker 7 You know what's interesting I thought about this is before Sutton and Garcell and Crystal were like the odd ones out. It was the Fox Four, which was Lisa Renna, Erica Jane, Kyle Richards and Darit.

Speaker 7 But now that we lost Lisa, Erica had her rough point. It's like they used to be the mean girls, the popular girls of Beverly Hills.
according to audience members.

Speaker 7 Now that that's broken up, it's like we see Garcell and Sutton as like the ones that are like picking on other people, but it's like, no, it's just that the ones that were picking on others now no longer have the power, you know?

Speaker 4 I'm a little confused by this ongoing Mo and Kyle separation. Like, are we

Speaker 4 not telling us something? I'm just like, get divorced at this point or not. I don't fucking care.
But like, I thought this was last year's storyline. I don't know.
Honestly, yeah. Exactly.

Speaker 4 I'm just genuinely don't know. I was like, I honestly, the scene came up and I was like, wait, did Peacock all of a sudden start playing last time?

Speaker 4 I was like, you know, sometimes I put on the wrong episode or something. I was like, What? What's going on?

Speaker 5 They've been separated for a while, but it's like the weird thing is that it's not so much even about the fact that Mauricio is seeing other people.

Speaker 5 It's like the scandal is that he called paparazzi on himself at an airport.

Speaker 4 Which is something

Speaker 6 Mo planted the story to get back at Kyle for the war rose.

Speaker 4 They're on good terms.

Speaker 4 Are they?

Speaker 6 According to Kyle and Mo. Not according to.

Speaker 4 Was Mauricio not hugging Kyle from crying like two episodes ago? I'll say one thing about Mo Mo and Kyle.

Speaker 4 They really seem like despite whatever they're going through, they're not vindictive with each other. It doesn't feel that way.
I don't think they are. Oh, well, up next, she's here.

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Speaker 4 lauren welcome to the show thanks for having me well we're excited to have you uh we i i don't know i don't know if you listened to the show if you've been keeping up with commentary uh but we had a great debate uh on tuesday about your and dave's situation but we're so thankful and so glad that you're with us today because obviously a lot of our discussion debate was based off of like things we didn't know and just kind of you know what we watched and things like that so just did you listen to that uh conversation i did yeah i'm a big fan of you guys i've been listening to you guys for um a while and then i was listening yesterday as i was getting ready and i was like screaming at my phone hearing natalie like defend me and i was like that is my girl

Speaker 4 i feel it so like fuck me right obviously correct your words not mine

Speaker 4 well thank you for saying it thank you for listening but yeah i mean what were your thoughts and feelings about our discussion?

Speaker 9 Yeah, I mean, I think that they were all so valid.

Speaker 9 And I was thinking about how I'm sure there are so many couples and people out there having this exact conversation and like seeing these perspectives.

Speaker 9 And honestly, I remember thinking those same perspectives at the time, too, when we were going through it, like I was having such a hard time.

Speaker 9 knowing my truth and then like seeing how it was playing out. And I tried so hard to do so much perspective taking and you'd like see that a little bit where I'm like, this is fair.

Speaker 9 Like that would suck to get your phone back and have people say things about your new fiancé. And then you have to figure out who's right and who's wrong and what's going on.

Speaker 9 And that wasn't even my argument about it. My argument was like, put me in the room with them.
Like they're having all of these conversations that I'm not part of.

Speaker 9 And they have these like pieces of evidence that are not true. Just like, let me speak to them.
And that wasn't happening. So that was where most of my frustration was coming from.
And I.

Speaker 9 feel that now watching you back.

Speaker 5 I know the frustration also of just knowing something is true, but there's just no way for you to prove anything. So you're just like, there's nothing for me to do, but like, that's just not true.

Speaker 5 Like him being so hell-bent on you, like spending the night with him before you left. And it was like your girlfriends were even like, no, she was with us.

Speaker 5 And he's just like, I don't know what to believe. I was screaming at the TV.

Speaker 4 What is the truth or your truth? I mean, let's just say, what is the truth as you see it, so to speak?

Speaker 9 Yeah.

Speaker 9 Well, and you'll like see this play out a little bit more, but I was not with him the weekend before I left. I saw him like a week before.

Speaker 9 It really was was a very like to the, how do I say this? It was a friends with benefits situation.

Speaker 9 It started where we were like, maybe there could be a romantic connection there, but then casting conversations are happening for months. And like he knew that I was having that.

Speaker 9 And so he was like, we can keep things casual.

Speaker 9 It honestly felt like best of both worlds for both of us at the time because like he was dating other people too. He was going on dates.

Speaker 9 I remember seeing his picture on like, are we dating the same guy? People were setting up dates with him. So we were both, I felt like things were very clear

Speaker 9 that we were not romantically interested in each other.

Speaker 4 So you, were you two having conversations about you potentially going on the show while you guys were hanging out occasionally?

Speaker 9 Yeah. We didn't talk about it a ton, mainly because like we weren't really sitting there having a lot of conversations, but it definitely came up.

Speaker 4 Were you ever like wondering if like this was like a smart decision, so to speak, based off of the fact that you might go on the show?

Speaker 4 And I, you know, obviously like you have every every right to do whatever the fuck you want outside of the show.

Speaker 4 I just like going on the, you know, I'm sure you are a fan, like you said, a fan of the show. You've watched the show.
I'm sure you've seen drama and fights about

Speaker 4 past actions, you know, and what could come up. I imagine when you were going through the casting process, like most people, it's kind of like first you don't even think you're going to get casted.

Speaker 4 And then if you get casted, you're thinking, probably show up. Nothing will happen.
You're certainly not expecting to make a connection. You're certainly not expecting to get engaged.

Speaker 4 So I get all that. Did it ever cross your mind that like, ooh, maybe like this, this is a little messy choice given like what you were potentially willing to say yes to if given the opportunity?

Speaker 9 Yes and no. I remember thinking with this guy, like, okay, I'm having these conversations to potentially go on a show where I could get married.

Speaker 9 Do I like this guy enough to, like, because here is this connection that I have in one way. Do I like this guy enough to say, fuck the show? I'm going to pursue things with her or with him.

Speaker 9 I remember being like, no, I don't like him enough to do that, to like make that sacrifice and not go on this experience.

Speaker 9 And in terms of, again, we had come off of, I think when we were filming, we were watching the season with Trevor and his girlfriend.

Speaker 9 And I remember I was like kind of freaking out in the moment and being like, oh my God, is this how the world is going to see me now that this is all playing out?

Speaker 9 But again, at the time, I'm basing my perspective on what my narrative was and like my truth with this guy.

Speaker 4 And so I just never in a million years thought that this would be part of the story at all gotcha what would you have loved to see dave do differently in that moment just letting me be part of the conversation with his friends that were chirping in his ear about it i just wanted to talk to them wanted to compare stories do you know why they refused was it just like not wanting to get involved in the show or being on camera or do you get any inkling as to why they were or was it dave being like i'm not allowing my friends

Speaker 9 i truly think that his friends and his sister were basing the decisions on the their involvement or not on what dave was telling them you think dave is in the driver's seat here

Speaker 4 i do okay all right all right okay

Speaker 5 interesting have you seen i mean i'm sure you have but your ex is not even ex what are we calling him Your friend. Your ex-friend.

Speaker 9 That would be really nice. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Your ex-friend's Photoshop pictures of him in the Love is Blind casting.

Speaker 5 That was very embarrassing for him it was embarrassing and it also like i remember being like this really proves my point like you are helping me with this story here um yeah i don't i was like i rest my case yeah like you look crazy why are you you're not on this show why are you trying to act like you are on this show like that does scream a little delusional to me so it would be hard for me and obviously i guess what dave didn't see any of this stuff during filming or anything like that.

Speaker 5 I mean, I know your friends were kind of saying to him like, he was DMing us or texting us saying, like, should we blow up this wedding? Like, love is blind, blah, blah, blah, whatever.

Speaker 5 Which would scream to me like, maybe this guy isn't as trustworthy as some people think.

Speaker 4 He knows Dave's people.

Speaker 9 They have like a mutual friend. They're in Minnesota.
They have like a mutual friend.

Speaker 4 So they love each other. I'm from Milwaukee, I get it.

Speaker 9 As you're gathering.

Speaker 9 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 Wow. Okay.
That's wild. When the next batch comes out, we'll get some resolution on whatever happens between the two of you guys.

Speaker 9 Between Dave and I? Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. You'll see that kind of continue to play out.

Speaker 5 Did you feel in that moment that he was just trying to find a way out of the marriage?

Speaker 9 I do. Like, I, yes, that definitely came up.
And I think I might have even said that to him at one point. Like, there are a lot of outs you can take.

Speaker 9 And you'll see him, or you have seen him try to take outs, where he has conversations about his sister.

Speaker 9 And there's some other stuff that comes up that I'm like, are you just trying to find the out that sticks the most right now and obviously this guy was i think the biggest one so yeah i did have that at that time i don't know if i've like fully listened to my gut as much as i should have on it in the moment were there other signs from dave that suggested that he was looking for an out in general or was it mostly based off of this situation there are a couple other things that come up.

Speaker 9 Like you'll see some other things that I think makes Dave question if we should be getting married or not.

Speaker 9 And I don't think that they have anything to do with me and more to do with where his tent was at.

Speaker 4 At the time in which this drama happened, how all in were you as far as marriage goes?

Speaker 4 You know, or like, I guess my question is, it's like, I'm trying to figure out with this process, like, are some people like, fuck it, I'm engaged and we're going to get married unless something bad happens.

Speaker 4 Or is it we got engaged and like, let's, you know, we have four weeks to figure out whether we're going to get married or not.

Speaker 9 That was definitely like, I mean, going into into this experience, obviously you're hopeful for what could come.

Speaker 9 But like, I just have never, you see me at one point say, I've never felt this like connected to someone so quickly. And so I surprised myself how invested I got with him and with this experience.

Speaker 9 And you see me like fight for it really hard. And so I did see marriage.
I remember thinking like, okay, we'll get married, we'll break up or we'll not get married, but we'll stay together.

Speaker 9 And all of those at the time felt like potential next steps for us.

Speaker 9 But yeah, marriage was definitely on the table for sure for me.

Speaker 5 Watching it back, that whole in the kitchen where you're kind of cooking, preparing for the friends and this kind of all explodes.

Speaker 5 Watching it back, did you have any like regrets of what you wish you would have said or wouldn't have said?

Speaker 9 Honestly, no, because I think looking back, like I tried. I tried to explain things in so many different ways and tried to really understand his perspective and then like speak to that.

Speaker 9 I think at that point, there was nothing I could have said or done differently to have Dave see it.

Speaker 5 I will say, I feel like the fact that he couldn't, you being so vulnerable and saying like, I'm feeling really disconnected from you. Can you please stay here tonight?

Speaker 5 And him saying no, I think was the biggest sign of like, this man should not be your husband.

Speaker 9 Yeah. Yeah.
And I, you like, that has been pretty jarring to watch back. And it happens too when he meets my friends and I get emotional and there's like.
not a lot of comfort happening.

Speaker 9 And I felt that in the moment and it's, it's really sad to watch back and feel that again.

Speaker 4 It's interesting because I completely agree with Natalie with that statement. But, you know, if I'm still trying to empathize with

Speaker 4 this whole situation, like I think two things can be true at the same time. Like I can understand

Speaker 4 Dave having a hard time processing this rumor because that's what it is, you know, rumor, you know,

Speaker 4 which has like maybe some truths to it, but obviously it's, it's, it's coming from someone who obviously is. has an alternative agenda and things like that.

Speaker 4 But to Natalie's point, regardless of what the truth is, Dave demonstrated, you know, basically an inability to cope while struggling with his own emotions and needing to be there for his partner who's also struggling.

Speaker 4 And he was basically saying, I need to be alone so that I can figure this out. And regardless of what you're going through, like that, not my problem because my problem is you.

Speaker 5 It was like, my needs come first. Sorry.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Correct.
Yeah.

Speaker 9 Yeah, for sure. And I remember thinking too, like, your friends are giving you this whole different narrative.

Speaker 9 And every time you talk to them, you get like more angry at me or more confused about the situation.

Speaker 9 So if you and I are supposed to be a team, why, why are we continuing to go back to those people and have the same conversations that are not productive at all?

Speaker 5 Especially without you there to be like, that's not true.

Speaker 4 Did you feel any type of way about his comments regarding Molly

Speaker 4 or feelings towards Molly outside of the show? Or do you feel like that was maybe dramatized a little bit for TV?

Speaker 9 I think it was a little more dramatized than it felt in the moment. And like Molly and I are friends and we've talked since about conversations that they've had.

Speaker 9 So I knew that, obviously, they knew that they had a connection and I knew that he was validating her as well as me. And so watching it back, I wasn't too surprised.

Speaker 9 I kind of had a feeling that that was the story.

Speaker 5 Random question, but going back to your first night on the honeymoon vacation-y, whatever we call that in Honduras, you talked about getting like a bikini wax and you were like, I can't work out or have sex for 24 hours.

Speaker 5 Like I'm really bummed. And they kind of made the cutting of it made it seem like you were saying you're really bummed that you can't have sex.
Is that what you were referring to?

Speaker 5 Or were you referring to like not being able to work out?

Speaker 9 Okay, that edit shocked me because that's not what I was saying. I was telling him that I got a wax and then I had a spin class.
scheduled for that night.

Speaker 9 And they were telling me that you can't work out, you can't have sex, you can't do any of these things. And I was so bummed because I hadn't worked out in like two weeks.

Speaker 9 And they, my jaw was on the floor.

Speaker 4 I was like, I don't talk like that.

Speaker 5 That's, and honestly, it read that way of just like, that's not what.

Speaker 4 Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. You're so hot.
You can't get some dick.

Speaker 9 Like, in what world would I have said that?

Speaker 4 Oh my God.

Speaker 9 I'm glad there have been people that messaged me and they were like, this editing looked a little wonky.

Speaker 4 And I'm like, thank you.

Speaker 4 I know, Natalie, obviously, in our great debate the other day,

Speaker 4 used Dave's

Speaker 4 interest in other people's sex life as kind kind of a justification for like Dave, you know, not taking sex seriously. But I didn't see it that way.

Speaker 4 I kind of see it as him just, again, I think a lot of people in these atmospheres are very curious about what other people are doing. There's a lot of confusion.

Speaker 4 I also think just because, you know, you have a one-night stand doesn't mean sex means nothing to you ever in general. It's just like, I think it's a situational basis.

Speaker 4 But how did you see Dave's line of questioning to his peers

Speaker 4 as it relates to your relationship?

Speaker 9 I mean, I think in terms of him asking other people, like that clip of scenes, I remember thinking like, one thing Dave is going to do is be himself.

Speaker 9 And you see him say, I was just genuinely curious and he just wanted to talk to people about it. I don't know.

Speaker 9 It didn't surprise me that he was having those conversations because he speaks his mind and doesn't really filter through questions.

Speaker 4 Did you ever tell Dave that despite, you know, him thinking they're jokes, that sometimes they're not funny?

Speaker 9 I mean, the way some of his jokes, especially in the pods, were portrayed, it comes off much more serious than it felt in the moment like it was very lighthearted he would always follow it up with like a laugh or a like and again i know that if he said anything absolutely insane there would be a line to cross but like it felt very bantery in the moment it like yeah it's hard to watch back and have people see it very i mean listen reality tv is not a safe space for sarcasm yeah or or any type of like humor in general because it definitely can and often is used against you.

Speaker 4 So yeah, I definitely watch those moments with a

Speaker 4 careful eye, so to speak.

Speaker 5 Going back to that moment in the kitchen, I kind of stood on this, like he was platforming information that wasn't true on your end on national television to kind of like, in my opinion, shame you for like your choices in your sex life.

Speaker 5 Did you feel that way? Or is that me just like projecting my feelings?

Speaker 9 I did. And I remember like, I said, I, when we were having this conversation, I was like, I'm, I feel crazy right now.
Like, I feel like I'm, my communication is not getting through.

Speaker 9 And I'm, I feel like a slut. And like, I hadn't really felt that before.
Like, again, I just, you see me say, I've never had to defend my character like this. Like, I don't understand why.

Speaker 9 this thing is like the end all be all for me and the kind of person I am right now.

Speaker 9 So yeah, I remember saying like, my Nona watches this show, my boss watches this show, and we are just airing out my sexual history for the world.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I know. It's a tough situation given just like what the show is about, you know, and it's some

Speaker 4 hard to avoid some of these conversations without, you know.

Speaker 5 But also, obviously, every second isn't filmed.

Speaker 5 And so it's like, if, to me, it's like, if he genuinely cared about you and thought about like, oh, maybe there's like some falseness to this, like I should ask her when cameras aren't around so that she doesn't feel like I'm like putting her sex life on blast.

Speaker 4 That's true. He's definitely not to do that.
He definitely wasn't overly considerate and empathetic to how this might affect you. That is clear.
Right. Right.

Speaker 4 Right. I was curious about your perspective about some of the other people in relationships, but was Madison as messy and toxic as she came across on the show? I don't know.

Speaker 9 It's hard to answer because I was so focused on my own shit. I'm focused on Dave.
There's a little bit of stuff going on with Molly.

Speaker 9 I talked about this before too, but I was talking to Mason up until like a couple of days towards the end too. And I had no idea that he was having any of these conversations with Meg or Madison.

Speaker 9 So I was shocked to see it all come to a head.

Speaker 9 I think you kind of see Meg and Madison handle things differently and like approach it differently.

Speaker 9 But I wouldn't say I left. Like I remember leaving and people were like, how were the girls? Were they all insanely toxic? And I'm like, no, they were just, everyone was just trying their best.

Speaker 9 And that looked different for different people.

Speaker 4 Watching it back, do you feel like Madison got screwed over? Because I really quite liked his relationship with Meg.

Speaker 4 Again, don't know if this is editing or whatever, but it sure seemed like Madison sabotaged that relationship because she didn't get her way.

Speaker 9 Yeah, I'm going to be so honest with you guys. I skipped through a lot of those.

Speaker 4 Fair enough. I was watching mine.

Speaker 9 I wanted to make sure that I understood the story.

Speaker 4 Respect. But I didn't,

Speaker 9 I didn't fully get what was going on in the lounge at the time. And I still don't fully get it.
Like, honestly, you guys have probably a better perspective on it than I do.

Speaker 4 But we have an opinion, but you know, like we just,

Speaker 4 you know, sometimes context matters and sometimes context is lost in these episodes. So we were definitely curious.

Speaker 9 When you met everyone, was there anybody that you were surprised that you talked to in the pods, but you were surprised by like meeting them physically like what they what their appearance was versus their voice oh like the guys yeah yeah was there anyone who like you met in person you're like fuck damn they're definitely like that's not what i thought he looked like or it is funny to think back because like i'm sure as a viewer you're probably like okay i wonder how they think the other person looks but i really tried to not spend too much time putting people in these like physical boxes um i was shocked joey had long hair i had no idea that that's what he looked like um i remember, I'm trying to think about anyone else.

Speaker 9 There wasn't anyone I was super surprised by. And there wasn't anyone that I was like, oh, damn, like, I made a mistake.

Speaker 5 They honestly all look the same.

Speaker 4 So it's fine. Exactly.
Coffee paste. Coffee paste.

Speaker 5 What did you think of the whole Ben and Sarah? Did you watch that kind of where he had an ex from four years pop up?

Speaker 9 Yeah, that, to use Nick's words, I remember at the time thinking two things can be true. Ben could have not been a good partner to women in the past.

Speaker 9 And this girl on TikTok also really wants her 15 minutes of fame and wants some clout. Like, I remember really seeing both of those pieces.

Speaker 9 And I don't know, it was hard to watch Sarah be conflicted on how to look at things. And I think she did such a good job of saying, I'm not going to dismiss her.

Speaker 9 And I trust you, but

Speaker 9 like, I'm remembering this, or I'm not like dismissing this information.

Speaker 4 Well, after getting to know Ben, I don't know how much you did get to know him, but do you feel like maybe these accusations from the past have any truth to them or

Speaker 4 or not?

Speaker 9 I definitely think there's a reason that there are these conversations happening with many women, not just that one TikTok girl.

Speaker 4 With Ben? There's are there's other are there other yeah, there's others.

Speaker 9 Well, I think like if you, and again, this is another like, don't go watch that TikTok and like give her attention, but like there are people having conversations about that and validating her.

Speaker 9 in in ways.

Speaker 5 So she's getting support under her post being like, me too, girl, type of thing.

Speaker 9 Well, more so when that was happening at the time, like there were, there were comments in that video or like people saying things to her, like, oh, yeah, I also knew Ben or I had this experience.

Speaker 9 There were some of those conversations.

Speaker 4 And what was the general accusation that he just basically ghosted her? Yeah.

Speaker 7 There was also YouTube cards.

Speaker 4 Yeah, did you see the hookups?

Speaker 5 Yeah. Oh, what? He was leaving his like YouTube business cards where he like was a YouTuber.

Speaker 7 He would hook up the girls and leave it behind.

Speaker 6 I wonder how many subscribers he got.

Speaker 9 it's a tough look

Speaker 4 yeah that's tough do you think he got the platinum thing i sure the plaque yeah

Speaker 5 i wonder what his youtube videos were of

Speaker 5 do we know i mean the internet's written in yeah you know like he's giving these to women he's had sex with so like what is his content

Speaker 4 interesting well i'm even more intrigued now any other questions for lauren before we let her go lauren is there anything else you feel like you want to clear up whether it's like something you saw that you felt wasn't portrayed as you remembered, or maybe just like before the next batch comes out, giving us any heads up or just like something to look for, you know, as we consume these next batch of episodes?

Speaker 9 I don't think that there's anything I'd like to clear up. I do think that they're doing a good job of like telling our story in the way that it felt in the moment.

Speaker 9 And there's like a lot of frustration with that. Unfortunately, I don't think the frustration is done after this week.
There'll be a little bit more to come there. Great.
Okay. But like, let me cook.

Speaker 4 Do you think we will want to have you back on this show to unpack your entire story with Dave?

Speaker 5 Maybe in person sitting on his couch.

Speaker 4 Like, because we want the drama.

Speaker 9 I mean, I personally think you'll want to have me.

Speaker 4 Yes, of course.

Speaker 4 Why wouldn't we?

Speaker 4 Lauren, thank you so much for taking the time. I know that you carved some out of your very busy work schedule.
So thank you. We appreciate it.

Speaker 4 And we look forward to watching the rest of your journey on team, Lauren, forever.

Speaker 9 I love you guys. Thank you so much for watching.

Speaker 4 I love you too. All right.
Take care. We'll see you soon.

Speaker 9 Bye.

Speaker 4 Well, that's very interesting. So she hooked up with him a week before filming?

Speaker 5 She didn't say she hooked up. She said she saw him.
She didn't say that she hooked up.

Speaker 4 And she said, no, no, no. What else do you do with your film?

Speaker 5 Actually, on the show, she said they got ice cream.

Speaker 4 That was the last time she saw him.

Speaker 5 Maybe it was ice cream.

Speaker 4 Sometimes we got ice cream before and after.

Speaker 6 Okay, but maybe it was a I'm going on the show, we're not going to see each other anymore.

Speaker 4 Ice cream, yeah, like I leave on Tuesday to be honest.

Speaker 5 A little salty tears and tears, salted caramel.

Speaker 4 That makes it a little bit more than just,

Speaker 4 I don't know. You don't need to say goodbye to your fuck, buddy.

Speaker 5 There's a season of Vanderpemperls where Jax has a girlfriend and he invites her to pizza, and then she thinks they're coping a date. And he's like, I just, you know, you're going to college.

Speaker 5 I just don't see myself going with you.

Speaker 4 Going to college.

Speaker 5 She's like, going to grad school or something.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Nice. Thank God.

Speaker 4 Matt isn't mathing. Poor, poor.

Speaker 5 But like, would we be surprised?

Speaker 4 I wouldn't have been surprised, but I'm just surprised it was not.

Speaker 6 I will say Lauren and Jack Staylor do not have much in common.

Speaker 4 I mean, I don't know. I'm sure you guys still feel the way.
She didn't change my opinion. I mean, she confirmed mine.

Speaker 5 She definitely confirmed mine of that she felt ashamed. She felt judged.

Speaker 4 But I'm not defending Dave. I'm defending sex.

Speaker 5 Well, thank God.

Speaker 6 But I think that's a different argument.

Speaker 4 That was the argument I was trying to make while you guys were all yelling at me that I should start doing this.

Speaker 5 Well, someone told me I need a muzzle, so I won't be yelling any longer.

Speaker 4 You know, a lot of people who do this show, as someone who's been on these types of shows, nothing I find more, more kind of frustrating or just kind of shows that you haven't done these shows when

Speaker 4 people say you know what you signed up for or you signed up for this. Because I don't think Dave, Lauren, or anyone in this cast has any clue.
truly what they signed up for.

Speaker 4 You know, they got the log line of like what the show is about. They've seen previous season, but until until you're in that fucking crazy universe, you really don't know.

Speaker 4 And to that end, I give Lauren grace for

Speaker 4 making the decisions that she did. But I also appreciate that, you know, Dave was struggling with like questioning how serious she was.

Speaker 4 I think Natalie made a great point that regardless of who thought what or when, this issue revealed Dave's kind of shortcomings as a potential future partner.

Speaker 4 And I think more than anything, that was telling because like regardless of what happened, few people who are like weeks away from marriage, he clearly is someone who is incapable of like, you know, allowing his partner to also be in a space that he was in and working through it together rather, you know, completely disconnecting and then emotionally abandoning his partner.

Speaker 5 Which I do feel like is a huge red flag in general in relationships. Like if your partner can't.

Speaker 5 like put their pride aside and like just be in the same room as you.

Speaker 6 Or just, yeah, work through it together you know just like talk through it and you know even if you're like let's platform this let's talk about it tomorrow but like we'll just watch a movie we'll get dinner like it'll be fun he couldn't even do that he was like i gotta get the fuck out of here yeah that was it just left her to sleep alone in this apartment that's not even hers like yeah i feel like my biggest issue with dave was not that he was frustrated with lauren having someone before the show like less of the sex thing and more of just he didn't believe her when she told him it's not like she was being cagey it very much presented itself as like she is telling the truth from her perspective and this is someone this is a first-hand account of what happens her friends are corroborating this and he is just completely not seeing her it definitely wasn't like the bin bin of it all when confronted by sarah you know was like i don't remember i don't know stories changing

Speaker 5 i i saw it a while i know but i think the just like the little bit of cageiness that he did have just of like already seeing the video and not showing it to her or bringing it up to her letting her find it on her own, and then being like, yeah, I already blocked her.

Speaker 5 I forgot what happened. Like that's a little cagey and would give Sarah reason to be like, I don't know.
I'm kind of struggling with believing you.

Speaker 4 But even then, Sarah, like, here it all is.

Speaker 6 Even then, Sarah saw Ben and was like, I'm taking what you're saying into consideration while also like taking what this girl is saying into consideration. And Dave just like was not taking Lauren's.

Speaker 6 words into consideration at all is what it read to me as.

Speaker 4 I mean, that may be true, but I think the this rumor caught him off guard and i think whether right or wrong i think he didn't expect this come out and then he had he had an expectation that expectation wasn't met and in any situation when you have an expectation it's not met it it fucks you up and you have a hard time getting back to that kind of you know what i bet i bet dave like is probably

Speaker 5 like my perception of him is probably correct and he like is listening to the show to only like get like what he should be saying from you. You know, he's like, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 5 I like, you know, it was hard because of the rumor.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 5 It really messed with my brand.

Speaker 7 He's looking at the corner of the zoom screen.

Speaker 4 He's taking notes for the reunion. Yeah, for sure.
Yeah. Did we find out any more about Ben?

Speaker 7 The YouTube is not linked in his Instagram. There's no YouTube under his full name.

Speaker 5 I found his YouTube channel, but it's completely white. It exists.

Speaker 4 It does exist.

Speaker 4 That motherfucker got right on it.

Speaker 5 Apparently, this man would leave his YouTube card for women after he slept with him.

Speaker 4 What is a YouTube card?

Speaker 4 Like he made a business card with YouTube on it, it his face and like his app so you can go follow him it didn't say youtube it said youtuber youtuber i'm gonna make a theory that's fine sports commentating sports commentating he was a baseball player i brought this up on pop not too long ago where i was like oh look i saw this it's wild i don't know who the cast member is because this came out before the show released that's almost as brutal as sutton was last night's episode we'll get into that later your girl was on one bro

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She wasn't afraid to say hi.

Speaker 4 She's not afraid of anything. She tried to DMs.
Taylor Swift, she said, fearless. Full of myself.
I don't know. Yeah.

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Speaker 4 All right, first question. Is it Chanel or is it Ion?

Speaker 8 So my real name is Ayan, which means lucky because my mom had nine girls and one boy.

Speaker 4 Nine girls. Nine girls and one boy?

Speaker 8 Yeah, so it's 11, but my father has like 30 something kids. My father fucked everybody in the village.

Speaker 5 Oh my god.

Speaker 8 Yeah, so that's normal in my village, right?

Speaker 8 So then Chanel, I gave it to myself because I watched a movie about Chanel and her life story was basically a little bit like mine, where like her dad lived in the same town, but had another family, but never cared about them.

Speaker 8 So I kind of was like, oh, that's so cool. So I just named my name Chanel Ayan.

Speaker 4 So it stuck. Love that.
Yeah. I wish I had the confidence to just like rename myself sometimes.

Speaker 8 Why would you? You look good. By the way, I bullied your husband one time.
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 4 He hasn't forgotten.

Speaker 5 He hasn't slept since finding us out today.

Speaker 5 He's been awake every single day.

Speaker 4 Thankfully, I didn't lay. I didn't read my DMs.
And I just saw him. Why did you bully him?

Speaker 8 I'll tell you first. And I just saw him walked out to say hi.
And literally, I was like, he's the most good-looking man I have ever seen in America. By the way, my husband is very hot.

Speaker 8 He's from Idaho. That's coming from.

Speaker 4 He's from Idaho. Yeah, I'm not from Idaho.
That means I'm coming from you.

Speaker 4 I don't feel like you say things just to be nice.

Speaker 8 No, no, no, no. You see, I left you to read my stuff that I said about you till 2017 because I'm a real bitch.

Speaker 4 So I wanted you to see what I felt on that moment.

Speaker 8 But

Speaker 8 yeah, why did I say that to you? I'm not going to lie. I don't remember.

Speaker 4 But

Speaker 8 the truth is...

Speaker 4 Doesn't matter.

Speaker 8 The truth is I was in Idaho and I was bored in my family's cabin and you came on TV. Okay.

Speaker 8 And I was just like, okay,

Speaker 8 he's young and you are, oh, you are with my favorite human being that said, I was the most nicest person he's ever met in his life beside his wife.

Speaker 4 Well,

Speaker 4 yeah.

Speaker 8 Yes, I love him so much. So, anyways.

Speaker 4 He's nicer than me.

Speaker 8 Yes, he's such a kind soul. But we'll get to know each other.
I'll decide later. But so far, I feel like you're great.

Speaker 4 Thank you. Yes.
Honestly, I have a hard candy shell, but I'm soft in the middle.

Speaker 8 You can tell. You really can tell.
Your eyes is kind.

Speaker 8 Yes.

Speaker 5 Okay. When he loves you, he loves you.

Speaker 4 I think.

Speaker 4 And your wife is beautiful. You got me on your side.
Yeah. I'm a good ally.
Really?

Speaker 4 I'm a bad enemy.

Speaker 4 And like you, I feel like, and I don't really know you that well, but

Speaker 4 I just don't have the time for bullshit.

Speaker 8 Same. I really have no time because I feel like life is so short.
And also, I think because the way I grew up, it's like I grew up in a very small

Speaker 8 village. Okay.
Nobody has left my village except my family. Okay.
So it's like you, and I grew up in a very abusive home and I grew up with a single mom. So I saw a lot of things.

Speaker 8 So I have no time for bullshit or bad energy. You get what you see.
If I like you, you will know. If I don't like you, you will know immediately.
I'm very outspoken. Are you like that?

Speaker 5 Yeah, I think so. I love that.

Speaker 4 I think so. Yes.

Speaker 4 Have you ever, other than like, you know, people you see on TV or online, have you ever been wrong about someone you met in person

Speaker 4 about like how you thought they were? Yes.

Speaker 8 And I actually, I like Karen Huga, I know something's happening with her today.

Speaker 8 But when I first met her at Bravocon, because I watched her and I was like, oh my God, you know, she's a very strong woman, very opinionated.

Speaker 8 And when I met her, she was such a soft, soft person, very kind, very welcoming. You know, whatever she's going through right now, it's really hard to see where she is.

Speaker 8 And I wish her nothing but the best in life. And

Speaker 8 I think she has time to process things that she's going through and come out.

Speaker 4 in a better way. Yeah, we definitely wish her the best.
I mean, you know, obviously alcohol is a terrible drug and it can do terrible things.

Speaker 4 And it, you know, it's a sickness for people who, you know, are addicted to it.

Speaker 4 And I don't know if that's what's going on with her, but she seems like she's struggled with consumption from time to time. So hopefully she definitely, you know,

Speaker 4 she's alcohol in jail.

Speaker 8 So I think it's a good thing that she will like,

Speaker 8 you know, be better. I wish her nothing but that.

Speaker 4 Have you been able to talk to her at all? No.

Speaker 8 So she actually reached out to me a long time ago. She wanted to visit Dubai with her daughter, who's beautiful.
Love her. Met her in BravoCon.

Speaker 8 So she asked me about Dubai and I was hoping she would come.

Speaker 8 But, like I said, like, I really, she's a really nice human being, you know, apart from when you see on TV and you see, like, okay, these people are crazy, but she's actually really down to art.

Speaker 8 She's very open. She's very loving.
So, with that, I just feel like that's one of them.

Speaker 8 Nini Lex. Oh, love her.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 8 Like, a really good friend now. Because when you see people on TV, you're like, oh, my God, they're so tough.
Kenya more.

Speaker 8 You know? And you're like, oh, wow, they're actually like really girls, girls, you know?

Speaker 4 So yeah.

Speaker 8 Yeah. And with you, we'll see them more.

Speaker 4 We keep going.

Speaker 4 We'll see. We'll see.
We'll see. I do like surprising people.

Speaker 8 I love that, too.

Speaker 5 Yeah. So, you grew up in Kenya.

Speaker 8 Yes, I grew up in Kenya until I was 18. And then I met my husband from Boise, Idaho.
How did you meet him? I met him in a restaurant, and he told me he was American.

Speaker 8 And immediately, I was like, I'm going to marry him because I wanted his passport.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Yeah. So he was in Kenya.

Speaker 8 So he was in Kenya visiting. And I was like, I saw him.
He was so hot. So the first time I ever saw a white person, I was nine years old in my village.
So I didn't know white people existed.

Speaker 8 And the first time I watched a movie was a Van Dam movie. And he was so hot.
Yeah. Yeah.
He was so good looking with muscles and everything.

Speaker 8 So when I met my husband, I'll send you the picture when I met my husband. Okay.
And he

Speaker 8 literally looked like him. And I was just like, wow, where are you from? He goes, I'm American.
I was like, ooh, darling.

Speaker 4 Hotter.

Speaker 8 It became hotter and hotter. Because I don't believe in people marrying for love.
Okay. I think that you should marry for, because love comes later.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 8 Because when I first met my husband, I'm not going to say, like, oh my God, I was in love immediately. But I'm married 26 years.

Speaker 8 Because when you fall in love immediately and be like, I love this person immediately, I feel like it's more like a lust than you fall in love. But also because I grew up really in a bad home.

Speaker 8 So for me, I wanted a good life because I saw my mom struggling a lot. So I always wanted to have the best.
Okay, we're still married 26 years. Okay.

Speaker 8 Yeah. Happily married.
We have a gorgeous son who's 18 going to college. So yeah.

Speaker 4 Do you have an 18-year-old son? Yeah. Damn.
Thank you. Are you good, right? Yeah, you're good.

Speaker 8 Thank you. It's black don't crack.

Speaker 4 I don't know how old you were. I don't know how old you are.
And if you told me you're 50,

Speaker 4 no.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Are you sure?

Speaker 8 Yeah, I did a test in my show. They said I was 50 years old.

Speaker 7 This happened on Dubai last season, right?

Speaker 8 yes yes but it's just easy it's like i do a lot of things that i saw my culture people do that's cheap to like what give us so literally you know turmeric uh-huh yes yeah so i just put turmeric and honey once a week on my face because it removes in inflammation it makes your skin glowing and it's just like literally costing nothing huh you have the best skin i've ever seen in my life

Speaker 4 it's turmeric and honey love each other

Speaker 4 i love that

Speaker 8 so it's turmeric and honey yeah i just put turmeric honey but you have gorgeous skin Well,

Speaker 4 no, seriously. You have great skin.
Thank you.

Speaker 5 Thank you. But I would love to have your kind of skin.
So it's just, it's turmeric and honey.

Speaker 4 It's fun to see a nail walk around with a honey over.

Speaker 5 I will be. I will.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 That's it. Like, I just do that.
And I try to drink a lot of water. And also, like, it's very important to.

Speaker 8 Do you talk about sex in your podcast?

Speaker 4 No, I do it every week. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 8 It's very important to fuck. Yeah.
Like, it's so good for your body, for your mind, for your health. So that helps a lot.
You know what I mean? How many times a week do you and yourself?

Speaker 8 Oh, we don't have a schedule. Like, I'm not going to lie.
It's like when it happens, it happens. When you're on a heat, you just when you're on heat.

Speaker 4 Yeah, no, for sure.

Speaker 4 So relatable.

Speaker 4 So Will Smith.

Speaker 4 Will Smith. Oh, my God.

Speaker 5 Was that crazy?

Speaker 4 Babe.

Speaker 4 How did you approach him? So, so actually, maybe he approached him.

Speaker 8 This is what happened. I was in first class.
Okay.

Speaker 8 And Maria. told me, oh my God, did you see Will Smith just came into the plane?

Speaker 4 And I was like, really?

Speaker 8 And he goes, yeah, but he locked his cabinet. So it's 15 and an hour's flight, 15 and a half hours flight.
And his cabinet was next to mine.

Speaker 8 So I didn't sleep on the plane because I was waiting for him to wake up. So I can say hello, take pictures, ask questions, because I have questions.
Okay.

Speaker 8 I have deep questions that I need to know because I'm nosy bitch. So I was keep looking at his son.
And then he slept for 10 hours.

Speaker 8 And then the next five hours, he woke up and he went to take a shower. Okay.
So he went because there's a shower in the first class. So I was waiting and then he passed and he waved at me.

Speaker 8 I was like, okay, we're going to be friends. We're going to talk.
So by the time I went to talk to him, I know his son, Jaden, because my son models and we were together in London.

Speaker 8 So, that was easy, hey, I know your son, how are you doing? And I was like, I love the pursuit of happiness, my favorite movie. I met my son watch like 10 times, and then we talked about traitors.

Speaker 8 I asked him about men in black, and he was lucky was so good.

Speaker 5 Did you ask anything about the slap at the Oscars?

Speaker 8 No, no, because I didn't ask him about that, but I feel like that was a planned situation because there's a lot of uh Illuminati stuff in here in Hollywood.

Speaker 8 It's my first time in Hollywood, by the way.

Speaker 4 Your first time?

Speaker 8 Yeah, first time. And my husband was born here, but I've never been because they live in Idaho.
So usually I just fly through the airport and go to Idaho. So I've never really like seen LA.

Speaker 8 Like, this is my first time. And you guys have a lot going on.

Speaker 8 People live on the streets. Yeah.
Where I'm staying, I like...

Speaker 4 It's not perfect.

Speaker 8 No, why? We're humans and we should. Like, it's really, it's so sad.
And I don't know. They're like frozen.
We don't have that in Dubai. You don't?

Speaker 4 No.

Speaker 8 not at all you'd never see that i mean also in africa i'm not gonna lie you know in america they like to do these movies like oh in africa people are starving there's no food there's no this it's all persona i mean there are some places that are not like that but we have a lot of wealthy people in africa right but even when i go home i don't get to see that yeah so i was a bit shocked yesterday

Speaker 4 it's right right right in your face here yeah

Speaker 8 yeah i was really like sad about it yeah what are some of the uh rules in dubai that obviously we don't have here in america so in dubai usually like if you like you can't live in dubai if you cannot afford to live in dubai okay like you just cannot live in dubai so that's not all rich people no it's not all rich people it's everybody with a job everybody because you need to get visa to live there you have to do your medical you have to have a like i said job so you have to have that okay it's very important you have to have medical insurance to live in dubai wow so there's so many rules that you have to have to live there So, for example, if you lose your job, it's very tough because it's a very expensive city.

Speaker 8 You know, you have to leave.

Speaker 4 And can your job be like remote? You know, like, for example.

Speaker 4 Yeah, if I moved to Dubai and still did this show and, you know, had my team here, they would be like, cool, as long as you're making money. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 8 There's a lot of money in Dubai.

Speaker 8 People make a lot of money in Dubai.

Speaker 5 You said your husband is from Idaho. So how did you end up in Dubai?

Speaker 8 Oh, with my husband. So when I married my husband when I was 18,

Speaker 8 for opportunities, okay

Speaker 4 so

Speaker 5 make it clear it was for opportunities

Speaker 4 i love her you know you know

Speaker 8 because i don't feel like i don't think like women should should marry somebody and struggle you know what i mean i feel like women should marry somebody that can take care of them okay be the breadwinner that's in my culture maybe it's different i come from a culture that men take care of their wives and children the south it's like that too i'm from the south and yes it's similar to that yeah oh cool i've never been i want to go it's yeah

Speaker 5 savannah georgia you would love it

Speaker 8 that's atlanta right close like three hours away okay okay okay okay cool yeah i love shouting people

Speaker 8 i love how they speak i love the accent everything yeah

Speaker 8 yeah so what what was the question again i made you today uh how did you end up in debug oh yeah so then when i married my husband we moved to brazil And I was going to marry my cousin.

Speaker 5 My cousin was very good looking.

Speaker 8 There was no problem with me not marrying my cousin. It's part of my culture.
And then when I met my husband, I was like, oh my God, he literally reminds me of Vandam.

Speaker 8 So I was like, like, this is my dream. You know, I want to marry him.
I want to get out of my village. I want to have better opportunities in life.
So we moved to Brazil, got married in Brazil.

Speaker 8 And then from Brazil, we moved to Dubai. And then I went to Idaho.
And then I didn't know that Idaho. So I thought America is LA in the movies and New York.
Yeah. Like big houses, white people.

Speaker 8 Like my husband's family had a big house. Okay.
But like you see a lot of people.

Speaker 8 When I moved to Idaho, literally 20-something years, I couldn't find black people, so I was like, there was no black people in Idaho. Like, when I found one, I was so excited.

Speaker 8 We became best friends, like, we're still friends till today.

Speaker 5 Like, we became best friends.

Speaker 8 I was like, oh my God, you know, but it was so cute because I was so young. Everybody was very friendly in Idaho.
They are very welcoming. So that's how I ended up in.

Speaker 8 Yeah, see, I got confused. Dubai, my boys.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 4 Why do you feel like they voted you off on Traders or killed you?

Speaker 8 Jealousy. Honestly, it was very, it was jealousy.
Like you can see, like Carolyn did an interview and said that I was funny whether I was on camera or off camera. Okay.

Speaker 8 And Bob, the drag queen, actually, I love him. The moment I saw him, I was like obsessed.
He's so tall, right?

Speaker 8 And he's funny too, you know. And I, and we were having fun with everybody.
But I could just feel honestly, every five seconds, he's like, you're so funny.

Speaker 8 You're really, really funny. You were competition.
Everybody likes you.

Speaker 8 And everybody likes me because when everybody died, I'm not kidding you.

Speaker 8 Most of the cast reached out to say hi, saying that they missed me when I left because it was a bit boring when I left because I was making them have fun, you know.

Speaker 8 And I really worked hard to stay, you know, because at one point when we did the roro on the boat, I thought I was going to die because I didn't understand what's going on.

Speaker 8 So, Wells, my bestie for life, was helping me to understand the game because

Speaker 8 I got the show four days before I arrived. And they don't show traitors in Dubai.
Okay. So I saw clips of Fedra.
So I never watched the whole entire show.

Speaker 8 So I remember I messaged Andy and I was like, Andy, by the way, I just got traitors. He goes, I know.
And I was like, but I've never watched the show. She goes, what do you mean?

Speaker 8 He goes, what do you mean? I'm like, he's like, you have to watch the show. I'm like, I'm already in Scotland.
I just landed in Scotland.

Speaker 8 Because when I was reached out and they called me, like, do you want to do traitors? I was like, yes, yes, I'm excited because I saw clips of Ferrer. She's iconic.
Yes. Hate the bitch.

Speaker 8 Love the bitch, you know?

Speaker 8 But

Speaker 8 it was iconic, right? So I was like, yeah, I want to do it. So when I got to the house, I was like, Wells, we need to be careful.
The dead man is going to kill us. Wells is like, who is the dead man?

Speaker 8 I'm like, the dead man that's going to come at night when we go to sleep. He's going to kill us.
And he was like, oh my God, Ayan, there's no dead man here. I'm like, no, we die.
Okay.

Speaker 4 We die.

Speaker 8 So the dead man will murder us. So when we came from Rorobot, right? I was like, oh my God, I did not know I was going to die.
So I was really crazy. So we were in this room, right?

Speaker 8 And I was like to everybody, it was, I think it was, I don't remember exactly, I think it was Wells, Dylan, Derek, Danielle.

Speaker 8 I don't know if Bob the Bracken saw it. Maybe.
I don't know, but there was a group of people. So I went to them, guys, seriously, I cannot die.
Okay. I worked harder than a prostitute in that castle.

Speaker 8 I was like, have you guys ever seen an African boobs in your life? Like, I'm sure you've seen on TV, but you've never seen a real one. Okay.
So I just showed them my boobs.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 8 To everybody. Okay.
Which is crazy because I'm married, but I have very good boobs. That's how I got my husband because of my boobs.
They're 12 o'clock. Like literally.

Speaker 8 They're standing and I've breastfed for years. So

Speaker 8 I was there, right? And I was like, have you guys seen the? So I showed them my boobs. And then I didn't die.
And I was like, great

Speaker 4 who specifically

Speaker 8 i mean group of them she said she said well there

Speaker 4 it was a good gentleman having huh yeah

Speaker 4 no one has spoken about it they really it really is i love gentlemen yeah i know i love them i love them i made really good friends there so so what was their reaction were they doing things like this

Speaker 8 No, because they were just laughing because I'm crazy naturally.

Speaker 4 And I didn't want to die.

Speaker 4 Or did you let it marinate?

Speaker 8 No, I just shot them for how long?

Speaker 4 Uh,

Speaker 8 maybe I did a bit of bouncing,

Speaker 8 but they did see it. They did definitely see the boobs.
Yeah, they did. And they literally said, I know for a fact, they all told me my boobs works, great.
They killed me because they were jealous.

Speaker 4 The traitors killed you, yeah, overnight.

Speaker 8 Yes, but but the traitors didn't want to kill me, so this I know the story will happen, okay? Because I was mad as fuck, right?

Speaker 8 And I knew that Danielle and uh and Bob were traitors before I died, which they didn't air to show it. Because when I went in, I didn't know it.
But my instincts are very, very good.

Speaker 8 So I could feel like Bob kept on telling me, You're so funny. You're so funny.
Everybody loves you. But he would ignore me all day and treat me a little bit like shit.
And I was like, okay, whatever.

Speaker 8 So I became friends with Wells. A lot.
Wells was like my friend in the house. Dylan was my very good friend.
Brittany was my very good friend.

Speaker 8 Danielle was my friend because Dylan made me be friends with her. And of course, I'm friends with Dolores, Robin.

Speaker 8 You know what I mean? Like, I know the girls, I know Dolores for years, you know. So when I died, I knew immediately it was Bob.

Speaker 8 But then Rob told me, because I message Rob, who thinks probably I'm a psychopath. And I'm okay with Rob thinking that.

Speaker 8 Because when he died, I message him every other day out of nowhere, just like you, I'll be like, why did you kill me

Speaker 4 to Rob?

Speaker 8 Oh, Ayan, you really have to watch it. I'm like, yeah, you know, I really love you.
I'm like, that's not the point. Three days later, Pastor, I'm like, Rob, why did you kill me?

Speaker 5 Did he ever give you an answer?

Speaker 8 He told me, I didn't want to kill you. And I do know that he didn't want to kill me because I watched it.
But I know for a fact, because I'm a nosy person and I needed to find out what happened.

Speaker 8 Bob came in and it was like this, stood there immediately, said, Ayan has to die here and after and forever. She's got to go.
You know, he was so insistent. And, you know, they shot two seconds of it.

Speaker 8 But the traitors told me he was so insistent about me dying that they had no choice. They gave up.
But Caroline didn't want to kill me. Bob didn't want to kill me.
Danielle was supposed to be my girl.

Speaker 8 You know, I mean, honestly, fuck her, because I was closer to her than anyone else in the traitors. So

Speaker 8 Bob was just like, she's got to go. She's got to go.
But the good thing happened, which they didn't show, I went to Wells and said to Wells, we don't trust Bob, the drag queen.

Speaker 8 And Wells is like, yeah, we don't. Okay.
That was before before we went to the counter table. And then when we, when they killed my friend, okay, I was in pain.
I was in pain. I cried so much.

Speaker 8 I was so sad because Wells is such a kind-hearted human being. When I tell you, he was there for me.
Yeah, he was really there for me. Even Dylan was there for me a lot.
Okay. And Robin.

Speaker 8 So when I died, when Wells died, I went and I told Dylan and Robin that 100%

Speaker 8 Bob is

Speaker 8 a traitor.

Speaker 8 So

Speaker 8 I was in a car with Bob and Wes. Oh, fuck, I hate Wes too.

Speaker 8 Because Wes made me run for him, you know, when they were in the thing.

Speaker 8 So nobody wanted to give Wes the gold. Okay.
So Wes, I felt like, you know what? He looks like a serial killer because he has bald-headed with the

Speaker 8 red thing. So that's why I asked him if he's on TikTok because I saw some crime show that looked a little bit like him.
Okay. So I was like, okay, are you on TikTok? He goes, no.

Speaker 8 So I don't know if he's still on TikTok. Actually, I think I asked him recently.
He's still not on TikTok. But then I gave him all my coins.
And then he said, I'll give you the shield.

Speaker 8 So I was like, great. I'm safe.
The boob saved me. And now my Kenyan running skills just saved me.

Speaker 4 So I'm not going to die. Are you fast?

Speaker 8 No, no. Never run for any man, any money in my life, including my husband.
If he goes to me, go to the kitchen.

Speaker 4 I'm like, bruh, walk.

Speaker 8 So I was running for wells like crazy, picking up stuff. And then, oh, fucking Tom Sandervold,

Speaker 8 I, you know, you had to hit these things for the gold to come down. So, I was hitting it, hitting it.
My gold came down, and this grown-ass man ran and grabbed my gold and ran away with it.

Speaker 4 And I was like, Hey,

Speaker 8 yes, he stole my gold, very Tom Sandervald. He stole my gold.

Speaker 8 So, I was so mad about it, and I was like, Okay, he's just a cheater. Even in the game, he cheated on a girl, okay.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 8 I was like, and I never ran before, okay. So, I said to Wells, which you didn't air, I said, Wells, I have never run for nobody in my life.
Okay. I'm a fucking supermodel.
Okay.

Speaker 8 And here I'm running for you. You better give me that shield.
He's like, I'll give it to you.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 8 Never fucking gave it to me because if he gave me, I would have been saved. That's true.
Okay.

Speaker 8 And so I went to him and I said, hey, do you want to give me the shield that you promised me? He's like, yeah, we'll talk about it. And I never heard from him.

Speaker 4 You know what to know right there.

Speaker 8 Yeah, exactly. And I'm the one that literally ran for him.
Right. Yeah.
You know, so that was fucked up. So fuck you, bitch.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Yes.
Yeah. Oh, my God.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 So,

Speaker 5 but did you ever talk to Tom Sandoval about stealing your gold?

Speaker 8 No, because I died.

Speaker 4 So I never had a chance.

Speaker 4 You didn't DM him?

Speaker 4 No, no, no, no.

Speaker 8 He's not really on my radar. Yes.
Not really interested.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 5 We see that you're friends with Sam.

Speaker 4 Yes. I saw him here.
He was here. Yeah.

Speaker 8 So cute. Because I tried to ask him so many questions about Brittany in the house.
And he literally would not answer. So the fact that I saw he opened up here, I really like that.

Speaker 4 Oh, thank you.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I really like that because I try to get everything because I'm a conspiracy theorist. Okay.

Speaker 8 So, some people are like, Maybe the Britney is not the Britney dancing. There's an AI, you know.
So, sometimes I'm like looking into it to see, is it really the AI?

Speaker 8 Because I'm a conspiracy theorist naturally. But so, I was wanting to know more about it, you know, and I was asking because I love Brittany.
Like I said on the show, I love Britney.

Speaker 8 I love everything about that girl. But he wouldn't say anything.
So it was nice to hear him talk about it here.

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Speaker 8 you are very open about this like forced genital mutilation can you talk about that what is that like what okay so in my culture they circumcise girls and it's a very normal thing right so when i was five years old i was circumcised it's called female genital mutilation right and what are they the they circumcise you they cut you like they there's different types so there's one that they can cut they cut your clitories, the ones they sew you in.

Speaker 8 So for me, I was sewn. So I couldn't pee for like, like I could pee, but it takes me longer.
And then when I had period, it was the worst experience of my life ever.

Speaker 8 Like until now, I have like coming from a very abusive father.

Speaker 8 Like I got the most abused out of him than anyone in my family. You know, I have broken bones.
Like I literally have this.

Speaker 8 yeah that he kicked me you know this going through in my life it's like that's why maybe i I see things differently in life. And so

Speaker 8 you have a lot of people that can have babies, depression, which I go through sometimes. You have people that

Speaker 8 like girls die so young. And there's six countries now in Africa that just decided that they want to bring it back.
Wow. Yeah.
Like it's normal.

Speaker 8 So for example, like a three-year-old girl that doesn't know anything, there's no anesthesia.

Speaker 8 there's nothing they tide you in the bed you don't know what's going on and then when you get married like i was lucky my husband paid for me to be open a hospital.

Speaker 8 But a lot of girls in my culture don't get that. You have to go through your husband with your son for years, and it's very painful.

Speaker 8 And they don't take it seriously because the reason is like you have to get married when you're a virgin. That's the thing about it, right?

Speaker 8 So it's about virginity because the fathers want to get the cows, they want to get the dowry because it's a big deal in our culture to get dowries.

Speaker 8 And if you get married in our culture, they have to make sure that you bleed to be a virgin. I know it's like 20, 25, 25, but it's happening right now as we speak.
Wow.

Speaker 8 You know, so for me, it was, it's so important for me, but also it's like a taboo where sometimes I feel like I'm embarrassed to talk about it because I don't want people to see me like that's who I am.

Speaker 8 But then, because I'm a mother, I'm a businesswoman.

Speaker 4 And, you know, why would you be embarrassed?

Speaker 5 It's something you went through. It's, yeah, but it's, I think anyone who hears this story would think that that's a terrible thing to do to children.
Yeah, it's really.

Speaker 4 Why do you feel embarrassed by it?

Speaker 8 Because

Speaker 8 it's like something that's so kept and hidden. And then like, when I talk about it, I get bullied online a lot about it.
I get called prostitute, which is like d'lo.

Speaker 8 I get like, we don't claim you, we don't want you. They would literally go really deep into bullying me and things like that.

Speaker 8 And it's sometimes like you're just like, oh, all I'm trying to do is save the girls. Yeah.

Speaker 8 Because I'm not on the planet just to be beautiful and argue with people to get paid on the show, stuff like like that. There's more to me than that.
This is something that I care about so much.

Speaker 8 So I actually started a makeup line called Ian Beauty. And actually right now we have a blush that's dedicated to female genital mutilation.

Speaker 8 And Proced goes to that and try to bring awareness to it because I feel like no one is talking about it.

Speaker 8 Of course, we do have, I do have a few Somali friends of mine that are famous, but they cannot talk about it because it's very, you get bullied for it.

Speaker 5 They're scared to talk about it.

Speaker 8 Yeah, they're very, very scared to talk about it. You know,

Speaker 8 like I couldn't go home. Like, my castmates know this, Caroline Sambri knows this, like Sarah, like, they know it because I showed them the messages.

Speaker 8 I couldn't go home to pick my mom who has dementia because she cannot fly by herself. Because my dad had put like a lot of threats, you know, and it's like very bad threats, you know.

Speaker 8 So that like affected me with my mom. So as much as I'm opening about it, I'm talking about it.
I also know it's like puts really bad situation on me.

Speaker 8 Like, I haven't gone home for like eight months to nine months because I'm scared to go home.

Speaker 4 Oh, I'm so sad. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 8 Because, yeah, I'm sorry.

Speaker 5 When did you realize that like what they're doing to young girls is not okay?

Speaker 8 How old were you? When I left, when I left, because when you're raised in an environment, that you think it's normal, you don't see it not being normal.

Speaker 8 And I don't know if I should say this, but I was, I think, 18.

Speaker 8 And one of my very good friends from Brazil was very open-minded about sex, which I found is so weird because in my culture, we're not that open-minded about sex.

Speaker 8 It's like women, you're not supposed to talk about sex. You're just supposed to lay down, carry babies, and shut up.
That's your job, right?

Speaker 8 So she was very open about sex. She was like, I'm dating this guy.
Oh, I broke up with this guy. I'm with a new guy.
I'm with this near the new guy. I'm going on a date.

Speaker 8 And I thought that was so fascinating for me coming from my village. We're like, you need to be home at five.
If you're 5, 30 at home, my mom will be too because where are you?

Speaker 8 Yeah, you know, and I wasn't, and I, you know, I've already, I'm halfway through, I just can't say it. Like, my mom would be like,

Speaker 8 did you, did anybody touch you? You know, like, open your legs, you know, and they would church because, yeah, if you're okay and stuff like that, you know?

Speaker 8 And, and so, when she was so outgoing and she was so dating, and I thought that was wow, people really do this. This is a different world, you know.

Speaker 8 And then she was talking about porn and she was like, Yeah.

Speaker 4 And I was like, What the hell is that?

Speaker 8 So when I watched it and then I saw, oh,

Speaker 8 my body part doesn't look the same as this girl's. You know,

Speaker 8 that's how you found out. That's how I found out.
I was like, oh, wow, it's so different. Then they hit my head.

Speaker 8 And I was like, oh, my God, this is so different from what I know because she had, don't know, my God, we're going too far, but she had lips and I don't have that.

Speaker 8 So I was like, oh, my God, people like, why is it so different? Then I was like, oh, then it, because you block it when you're young. Right.
You know, and then everybody's normal around you.

Speaker 8 And then I was like, oh, shit, this is not normal because I had to go through again to the doctor to open it.

Speaker 8 And then I had my son, which was already another torture because you have to go through it. So basically, yeah, my father has been through a lot.

Speaker 4 I'm sorry, I'm laughing, but it.

Speaker 8 But no, my own coping mechanism, I always laugh at things. So that's why it's like so important for me.
to talk about it because I really, especially six countries bringing it back.

Speaker 8 New York Times wrote about it recently uh that they're bringing it back and it breaks my heart yeah it really breaks my heart yeah i appreciate you bringing awareness to that because i didn't know the half of that yeah a lot of people don't know exists and it's just worse to me like is as child trafficking to me it's really worse and people don't know about it because imagine do you have kids yeah i have a daughter one year old oh wow yeah that's beautiful yeah see she's safe this is why i like i i want girls to be safe like that that's my priority in life after you found out did you go back to your sisters did you yeah have questions did you let them know so when i found out i went i was in brazil went back home and i was telling my cousins you know this is not normal like why can't you you know we're not allowed to talk to boys because of the dowry situation and also in my culture it's like they really talk you know and they can ruin your name by being like oh we saw her with a boy and then immediately the whole village and the clans think like oh my god she's done something Then you're losing your bank account for your family.

Speaker 8 Right. Because dowry is so important.
You know what I mean? Like, my husband paid for my dowry because it's, it's like, in my custom, yeah. It's a custom, you know?

Speaker 8 So when I went back, I told them, they were like, what do you mean? It's not normal. I was like, yeah, I watched this.
Like, what? That's haram because we're Muslim.

Speaker 4 Like, that's not okay.

Speaker 8 But also, you're mentioning you went to, you're Catholic. I actually went to Catholic school.
Really? Yeah.

Speaker 8 It was my fun time ever in my life because I don't know if the Catholic schools in America are the same. In America, the same as Africa.

Speaker 8 In Africa, we dance in the church, and in my culture, you cannot really dance in front. So, I've always done things that I'm not supposed to do.

Speaker 8 The father loved me so much that they would allow me to walk through the church and do things like because I always wanted to be different with different things, you know.

Speaker 8 So, yeah, it's uh, it's definitely a fucked-up situation, and I feel like that's my priority in life to bring awareness to it.

Speaker 5 And do you feel like the more awareness around it, it'll kind of put more pressure on them to stop doing it?

Speaker 8 Yes, I feel like, so I feel like if I keep talking about it, maybe five people will listen to it. Maybe they will talk about it because nobody knows about it.

Speaker 8 So I'm just like, if they talk about it, talk about it, maybe more people will talk about it, maybe we'll save more girls together, right?

Speaker 8 Yeah, because I feel like if by the time, because the other day I woke up and I was like, oh my god, Ayan, you're going to be 60 in 10 years. And I started to freak out at 3 a.m.

Speaker 8 I don't know why God would remind me that in the middle of the sleep.

Speaker 8 You know? So I was like, why? You know, and I I was like, But you haven't done enough, you know. So I need to do more.
I need to do this. This is my priority in life.

Speaker 5 Yeah, yeah. Well, it is really brave of you to talk about it.
Obviously, it is something that like you even mentioned that you're kind of scared about and that people in your culture are scared about.

Speaker 5 So, I do really applaud you for talking about that.

Speaker 8 Yeah, you might have a good one.

Speaker 4 I have a great one. Yeah,

Speaker 4 you did.

Speaker 5 Um, you were tweeting some funny things throughout Trader.

Speaker 4 Yeah,

Speaker 4 Are we still tweeting funny things?

Speaker 5 Have you stopped or no?

Speaker 8 No. So

Speaker 4 I was mad. Right.

Speaker 8 And they pissed me off. And honestly, I feel like they really take this job seriously.
Yeah, they do. Like they really play this game seriously.
Like I want to see fun.

Speaker 8 You know, I think that's why when I died, they were like, Ayan, there was so much. Fun died when you left.
You know, Chris was like, oh my God, you were so fun. When you left, there was no fun.

Speaker 8 Dylan was like, you know, you were so fun. But I love my boy Dylan so much because I tweet a lot about him.
Because before I left, I told him that Bob was the

Speaker 8 traitor. And then when I walked into the room, they had my name.
And babes, I literally bawled crying. I literally went into like panic attack and cried because I was like, why am I dead?

Speaker 8 I don't deserve this. I've been entertaining all these people for free in this castle, you know? So I was like, I shouldn't die.
But then I started telepathing to

Speaker 8 dylan because i believe in telepathy so i was just like in my room when i died i was like dylan talk about

Speaker 8 the drug queen dylan please make sure he's dead dylan dylan and you watched him it worked yes

Speaker 8 because the next day he was dead you know he was dead and i was like yes it worked you know you gotta telepath to people when you have connection it's all about connection i was like yeah dylan i was like literally calling dylan's name and then he made it happen and then when of course, when he came from the traitors, we spoke for like, I think two hours almost.

Speaker 8 So he told me everything that happened. He's like, don't worry, I got you.

Speaker 8 I was so upset when you murdered. And I knew it wasn't.
So I personally was like, the first time I tried, it didn't work. But the second time, it worked and he's out, you know? And I was like,

Speaker 4 love him so much. Were you sad about Dubai?

Speaker 8 not coming back? So we were not told we're not coming back, to be honest.

Speaker 4 We were told we were posed. Is it like a logistical thing just because of dubai being kind of

Speaker 8 so far away and just like different time zones or why do you think it has been put on pause people online said when we were airing season two that we reminded them of the old housewives

Speaker 8 there was a lot of good reviews compared to new york housewives and my cousin is in new york housewives

Speaker 4 yeah so uh I want to ask you about that. Oh, yeah, that's fine.
Yeah, you can ask me.

Speaker 8 So, you know, we got great reviews. We were doing fun things.

Speaker 8 You know, my cast members are really crazy and good. So, honestly, did not expect that call.
Okay. Like, hey, guys, they've decided to put you guys on pause, but we never know.

Speaker 8 You know, didn't because I thought we were going to start filming in a few weeks. Right.

Speaker 8 You know, because they were, they were talking to us, like, what is your, what's going on with you in your life and all that stuff, you know?

Speaker 8 And also, I feel like you guys didn't get to meet, you missed a lot of chance because, you know, we have like better geneshai in our caste really

Speaker 4 allegedly allegedly yeah

Speaker 8 so we had a lot of good things coming we had a lot of strong storylines there was so much that was gonna happen that you guys are missing out and i just feel like when i move to new yoga tv

Speaker 4 my son is moving to new york to college you know yeah maybe maybe he wants his mom there i just feel like Uba could really use me some kind of help

Speaker 4 yeah yeah how is uba have you talked to since?

Speaker 8 Yes, I just talked to her two days ago. How is it?

Speaker 8 Yesterday, I told her I've landed in New York, LA. Don't even know where I am because I'm just landed.
I told her I'm here. She's good.

Speaker 8 She's better. The family is taking care of her.
You know, I put her first.

Speaker 8 I knew what was going on, of course, everything.

Speaker 8 And

Speaker 8 I care that she's in a good mental place now. Like she's, she's better.
She's very forgiving. She's better than me.
Let's just put it that there.

Speaker 5 There was a nice into the reunion moment that they had between her and Bryn.

Speaker 4 So, yeah.

Speaker 5 You know,

Speaker 4 it was definitely forgotten. I felt like it was Uber being the bigger person, though.
Definitely, 100%.

Speaker 8 Of course.

Speaker 4 Of course.

Speaker 8 Of course. It takes the bigger person to do the bigger thing when they are not even wrong.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Right? That speaks volumes.

Speaker 4 I would like to see you on Roni. Oh, wow.

Speaker 4 Oh, wow. Oh, or like, oh, wow.
Maybe I might.

Speaker 4 No, no, no, no. Oh, wow.
Oh, wow. Oh, wow.
Oh, wow.

Speaker 8 No, like, like, I might go. Maybe I will go film a scene with my cousin.

Speaker 4 Maybe I'll have fun with her.

Speaker 8 Maybe if she has an event, I'll show up and say, you're obviously excellent television.

Speaker 4 We didn't get quite near enough of you on Traders. You think I'm great television? Oh, thank you.
Look, we're becoming friends.

Speaker 4 You know, you're good at television.

Speaker 8 I am the best television. There's no one like me in Housewives.
It's true.

Speaker 4 Listen,

Speaker 8 there's no one like me. And I'm saying that out of like good heart.

Speaker 8 Not like some of them are the same from different shows. They're literally the same characters you can find.
But me, no.

Speaker 4 No. Yeah.

Speaker 8 There was never anyone like me he's ever seen on Housewife.

Speaker 4 Yeah, you're great.

Speaker 5 You're one of one. Yeah.

Speaker 8 It's so good to have you. I loved this.
Come back.

Speaker 4 Please come back on the show whenever you're back in town, or maybe we can do it remotely or something, but don't be a stranger.

Speaker 8 Yes, I would love to.

Speaker 4 If you're in Idaho, you can.

Speaker 4 Anytime you want to bully me on my DMs, please feel free.

Speaker 8 I know that was so funny, though.

Speaker 4 I was a little disappointed you unsent them after I called you out on it.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I unsent them because I felt like, you know what?

Speaker 4 That was our memory. That was our beginning of our relationship.

Speaker 8 That's why I unsent them because I was like, I started to research you. And then I found out you have a beautiful wife.
Then I was like, he's grown.

Speaker 8 And she's taking, you know, she's made him grown and she's very pretty. So she's doing a great job.

Speaker 4 That's why I was trying. I'm trying.

Speaker 4 Be careful what you believe on the internet. I'm just saying.

Speaker 8 You're doing great. But no, but honestly, I'm so happy to have met you.
I was really looking forward to this. That's why I asked you if you live in LA because I knew you have a podcast.

Speaker 8 And I was like, maybe I should go. My sister actually told me about you.
My sister Ifra, she was like, if you're going to LA for traitors, maybe you should reach out to Nick Vance.

Speaker 8 He has a very good podcast. So you should do it.
So that's why I went to you and I was like, do you live in LA?

Speaker 8 Because I was coming to LA. So that was the reason.

Speaker 4 And then I discovered.

Speaker 8 Yeah. Then that's when

Speaker 8 yeah, yeah, yeah. Then he's like, oh my God.
Yeah. But now we're friends.

Speaker 4 And you call me the hottest man in America. So like we can.

Speaker 8 Yeah, in America.

Speaker 4 Thank you. Wow.
Thank you. He is.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 Really, really gorgeous.

Speaker 5 And he has a really big dick.

Speaker 8 Oh, my God. I love that for you, God.

Speaker 4 Because you're so hot, too.

Speaker 8 Oh, my God. I would watch you guys like a goodbye.

Speaker 4 What a dream. I just don't remember anyone calling me the best-looking guy in America.

Speaker 4 I haven't got you that.

Speaker 5 Every morning when you wake up, I say you were the most

Speaker 4 vesting American. I forgot I wasn't listening.

Speaker 7 I've told you guys you need to watch Dubai, and one of the reasons is Chanel.

Speaker 4 I'm a bitch.

Speaker 4 I'm afraid to go. I'm not going to sit watching a little bit, and then like the season wrapped, and then pause.

Speaker 4 I really think Dubai is so far. I'm just wondering if she would do other TV.

Speaker 7 You can fly me out. I'll go to Dubai.

Speaker 4 I could see you in Dubai. Have you ever been?

Speaker 7 No, but my roommates are in Dubai. So I know a lot of the customs.

Speaker 4 Your roommates are in Dubai? No.

Speaker 7 From Dubai.

Speaker 4 She lives in my house.

Speaker 4 Apartment. Roommates.

Speaker 6 Your long-distance roommate.

Speaker 4 I want to to get on a plane that has a cabin.

Speaker 5 No, I want to get on a plane that has a shower. Both.
Not that I would use it, but...

Speaker 7 Did she say there was a shower? Yeah. Outside of the cabin.

Speaker 4 On Emirates.

Speaker 4 I want to go to Dubai just to go on that plane.

Speaker 5 Do you remember in New York Housewives when Justil's husband got a lot of shit because he about his like points, but he takes the flight to Bahrain to get a certain sandwich or whatever, but to like up his points?

Speaker 5 The actual flight is like a hotel. It's like gourmet food.
They have like a full-on like living room for you to hang out with for your personal, yeah, like a full bed to lay down in.

Speaker 4 We got to do this.

Speaker 5 Like it's a $20,000 ticket.

Speaker 4 Oh my God. At some point

Speaker 5 in our lives, manifestating. We will be on Emirates at some point.

Speaker 4 Manifestating.

Speaker 4 It's an experience.

Speaker 5 Listen, manifestating.

Speaker 4 Manifestating. Let's start.
We got to get out of row 50 first.

Speaker 5 I have to get to row fucking one before I get to Emirates.

Speaker 4 Thank you to our guest, Chanel Ayan and Lauren from Love is Blind. Also, if you haven't listened to the Bella Thorne episode, everyone's talking about it's an absolute doozy.

Speaker 4 You will be clinched just soaking up all the conversation. So, if you are not privy to that interview yet, be sure to go ahead and listen to it right now.
You will not regret it.

Speaker 4 We will see you next week for another explosive, fun episode of All the Things That We Do. We'll see you then.
Bye.