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Well, hello and welcome to Watch What Cra- Watch what happens when there's like, oh God. Wow.
When you see that, you kind of want to just like flag it. Am I right with a big red flag? Red, red, red, red flag, but totally supportive of you.
Andy's like, do you stand by it? She's like, well, you know, me and dating don't go so well. It makes me nervous when men have not been married and are approaching 50.
Do you have commitment issues, Andy? That's all I mean by it. He's like, uh, I've never been married.
Yeah, and look at you. Look at you right now.
A grown Peter Pan with children, okay? How do you feel about that? And he's like, I have commitment issues, which is kind of her point. So, she made that one.
So, Andy's like, well, okay, let's talk about your fertility journey. No thanks.
FF. But she's doing that.
She's still doing it. And then she's talking about the other ladies.
And he says, you know, turning what many found to be kind of an unlikely friendship, you could say bosom buddies. What drew you and Dorit together? And she's like, well, you know, I met with Garcelle before we started filming, and I was like, tell me all the gossip.
And she said she wouldn't because she wanted my relationships to be my relationships. And I really respected that.
So when I came to the Sutton's party, I was inspired by Garcelle's directive to be open, and basically the other person that was open was Dorit. Now, she was an open wound, but thankfully I had a lot of tool to wipe around that womb and stop the bleeding,

Andy. I go where I'm needed.

Honestly, I was just fascinated

by her hat that looked like Saturn.

So Andy is like,

Alright, well, Kyle said

Dorit is so all over Bo's

ass, it's actually gross. And

Garcelle said Dorit was an embryo

of Bo's's coochie. How do you feel when you hear those comments? And Dorit goes, it was a little pathetic.
But it was funny too. You have to admit it was funny.
Wait, hold on one second. Hold on.
Let me dust this one off. Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Well, Bose said on the after show that Sutton and Garcelle, that would be Garcelle and Dorit in a couple.
Sorry about that. Sutton and Garcelle were jealous.
And we see a flashback of them saying that. Bo saying, well, perhaps some jealousy that I would find any interest in Dorit, given that perhaps I'm not finding interest in them.
Ha! So Garcelle is like, absolutely not. Only time I really had a problem with it was when we were in Oceanside and you guys were talking and talking and we were just left out for an hour.
I mean, you guys were just yapping down there on your side of the table. And we see a flashback to when they were talking at a table and Garcelle's saying, are we not included in this conversation? So Garcelle's like, can I tell you, if you run the tape of me

of the past five years,

everybody had an issue

with Sutton and I being friends.

So it's not like this is crazy

that this happened.

Flashback to Diana Jenkins.

You are fake.

You are such a fake

and a phony fake fake.

And Garcelle's saying,

that's kind of shitty.

Are you her bodyguard?

You need a new villain?

Here I am. Bottom, bottom, oh yeah.
Well, if people have an issue with you two being friends, then wouldn't you say, I'm not gonna engage? And she's like, well, no, I'm not gonna go on and on about it. I mean, oh my god, how are they friends? Oh my god, how are they getting along? What do they have in common I'm not going to do all that kind of stuff I mean is she an embryo stuck up her coochie perhaps is she is she a piece of tool who wants to attach to her dress perhaps but I'm not going to go on and on and Boz and Dorito are like yes you did you did do that you did go on and on but to be fair you all not Boz because she wasn't here but else went on and on about garcelle standing up for uh sutton all the time too it's not like you guys never said anything so why is it bad for garcelle to say something if she's saying it you guys have no problem saying that garcelle is up dorit's ass every single reunion so why is it a sudden problem you know yeah? Yeah, exactly.
So, um,

Bo's is like,

well, there just was so many times that you did that.

And Erica's like, yeah, you stuck together.

You're stuck.

There you go.

You're stuck together.

Um, and.

Now they're literally stuck.

Because Garcelle's glove is stuck on Sutton's dress.

And, uh, so she's like, well, look, uh, on anyways, to be honest, if I said stuff, I'm glad you had a friend in Bose. All right.
I don't have a problem with that. I'm just glad that you don't have a friend in me because this is not fucking Toy Story.
All right. I don't need your poor ass in my life.
So you're happy for Dorit that she has a friend? Yes. Yes.
Or as I like to say it, opposite of no. By the the way I think the reason why everyone jumps on this is because the Fox Force 5 even though they're 4 now they were really they got really annoyed about being called now they're just down to 3 yeah it's just Erica Dorit and Kyle because Teddy and rinda were the other ones yeah you're right either way they were all very very um sensitive about being called the fox force 5 being called the click and they would sort of respond by trying to own it being like here we are the fox force 5 or they're like we're not a click they hated it they hated being called a click because they were so obviously a click and they it was so true it was so it's obvious to everyone everyone knows that they're a click and um they don't want to admit that they're a click but they are so that's why they get so mad about it so anytime they have an opportunity to sort of throw it back at someone else and get the click heat off of them onto other people they will take it a hundred percent of the time and just to be fair, the Fox Force 5 is fucking annoying, standing up for each other blindly, as they do in this reunion and every reunion.
But also, Garcelle and Sutton are fucking annoying too. That whole thing annoys me too, with the like, you have to have my back, you have to have my back, you have to have my back, you have to have my back, who has my back, who has my back? Part of me is like, you're're adults like everyone get over it and the dorit and bo's thing does kind of get on my nerves too because it would be nice for dorit to just be able to fight with somebody and not have somebody intelligent standing right there to speak for dorit because dorit couldn't handle most of this on her own you know so it's kind of annoying all over the place even though it's part of these shows you know it's like a built-in part of these shows so i just don't understand how they all get mad at each other when they all do it you know i mean my hot take is i actually don't really mind the bows and to read situation and i actually don't really mind the garcelle and sutton thing it's always annoying when they get into conversations about who has my like do you have my back do you have my back and it? And it's sort of surprising because Sutton and Garcelle never really talked like that before until this season.
But I think the Fox Force 5 was way more egregious because it was like a group of people and they were very sanctimonious and they repeatedly would run people off the show and they would attack people for things that they themselves were guilty of. And whenever being confronted with the things that they do they do they get all like how dare you about it so um i think that's also the big difference between it but it is annoying when you get into conversations of like you don't have my back which is like of course like the salt lake city you know yeah that's the part i'm talking about yeah but they all you know they all do it that's part of the show so um kyle's boz says the most offensive offensive part was where that she that garcelle said that boz was being manipulated by drede and she's like that's ridiculous and kyle goes well i didn't think she was being manipulated yeah kyle okay so boz is like i mean that's insulting to me and if there's if you think for one second there's anything that drede could say that would influence my opinion of you, then you don't think very much of yourself.
And Garcelle's like, okay. Okay.
But what Garcelle was saying is you're naturally going to have more of a problem because the only thing you know about these people is information you're being fed by Tariq, which is natural. And you said yourself that when you got together with Garcelle, Garcelle would not feed you that information because she didn't want to color your experience.
And you said, great, because that could have colored my experience. So now why can't you admit that hearing only information from one other person could possibly color your experience? I mean, you just said the other argument five minutes ago.
So, yeah, you know, I agree. So now we've got a commercial break and when we come back uh andy dives into a sudden uh segment so we see a montage i'm not sudden i mean garcelle well they really are they really are bosom buddies because i am mixing them up so girls that we see garcelle she guys you won't believe it i got a beach house the beach house beach house in Oxnard.
Wow, you got a beach house.

I got news for you.

There's a black girl missing.

Part three, boys.

We got the studio.

We found her, and she's in Oxnard.

She built a beach house.

It's a beach house, everyone.

Black girl missing.

So then we moved to the juicier clips of Garcelle saying, confronting Kyle about Morgan, saying,

we tiptoe around Morgan.

We don't know what that situation is. And Kyle's saying, there is no

situation. Maybe one day I'll have

a great story to tell. Okay?

I hope you do. I hope you do.

I hope you dance.

Okay, so Andy's like,

all right, everyone,

here it comes. A lot to unpack

there. So on Entertainment Tonight, she said she wanted to see Sutton and Garcelle open up more about their real lives.
And Erica's like, yeah, we want the juicy scoop. What's happening? Garcelle's like, I wish there was more.
I mean, I put in pretty cool tiling in my home, did I not? I mean, what want from me and erica's like that's what we're getting at you know i'm not saying she's i'm not saying she's not telling us what's happening but what are you doing and she goes there's nothing else to show i'm showing you everything well are you dating are you where's your where's anybody's love life literally none of you you? Come on. I don't believe it.

Where are your friends, Erica?

Who are the people in your life?

Who do you hang out with?

What are your hobbies?

Do you do anything other than get in makeup?

What about Marco Marco?

What about your default in the Marco Marco case that's going to get you in trouble again? What about you being sued for another $24 million because someone's about to prove that your ass knew what Tom was doing all along to fund your stupid career? Come on. What about that? Why is that such a problem to talk about this year? What about the way you parked in the pavilion's parking lot, which I'm just assuming was poorly? I don't know evidence I'm just saying.
So Garcelle's like, you know, listen, what do you want me to show? And Andy's like, dating. And they're like, yeah, are you getting a little? And she goes, no.
I mean, I went on two dates with somebody. And so Andy's like, what do you guys want to see? And she goes, yeah, what more do you want? Like, there's nothing I'm not showing.
and you know to be fair garcelle is showing what's going on in her life. She's been building a house for three years.

She's been working and producing films and acting and a ton of stuff.

I mean, she's busy.

She is showing what she's doing.

It may not be the most exciting content, but she is doing something. And I would venture to say more than most of you.

Yeah.

And so Erica's like, no, I guess I just wish you were more interesting, I guess.

And Bo's like, well, we can't all be living off the backs of orphans and widows, Erica. You know? We can't all be embroiled in scandal.
And Garcelle's kind of like, I already had my scandal. I've already been through this.
I did this. That's passe.
You're like, I'm farther ahead than you are. I've figured out my life and I'm like doing things with it.

Well, she makes a good point where she's like, my divorce was before I came on the show and I was very open about it.

I talked about the divorce.

I talked about what happened.

I talked about my feelings.

I talked about my revenge on my husband.

I talked about how it made my kids feel and how my kids are still dealing with it.

Like, what the fuck?

It's not like I didn't talk about it.

What about yours, Erica?

You're fucking lying, talking about not seeing Tom anymore and having nothing to do with any cases and saying you're completely out of the woods and all of this what the fuck and where's what like honestly okay i will even say this if she does not want to talk about these horrific scandals in her life i mean obviously we want to hear about it but i'm just putting that to the side like there was stuff that like this was erica's life on the show even before the scandal we don't see her with her son we don't see her with we just don't see her with anyone and it's not interesting and then she says this about garcelle and garcelle's like well that's a shitty thing to say and she goes well i think you kind of led me there what you can't blame garcelle for what you just said. And she's like, well, I thought we were in a better place.
She goes, well, we are. She goes, no, we're not.
If you say something like that. She goes, well, I think so.
Our experience, my experience, Kyle and Doreen's experience going through all these really ugly public divorces and coming apart. She was like, what do you want me to do? Like, it's not my fault my ugly divorce came earlier.
Want me to like date someone for, you you know like i have a fake relationship and just so i could break up with them to be on the show yeah maybe she could just date a man 50 years her senior for his money and then you know have a big fake pop career that she's paid for and then have it all come crashing down when it turns out she's been married to a fucking criminal the whole time like not everybody gets that exciting of a life erica okay she wasn't pulled off a pole and put on a pedestal. Like, what the fuck do you want? So Garcelle's like, well, I was open.
I've been open. And Kyle's like, well, my issue with you is that you say Kyle's not been showing us her life and I've showed so much of my life, you know? Have you? Really? She talks about her sisters.
Yeah, you've thrown your sisters under the bus. You've had no problems talking openly about their problems and their shit going on, but we haven't really heard that much.
We still don't know why you left your husband. We still don't know if he cheated.
We still don't know if he's even dating anybody. We still don't know if you're dating Morgan.
We don't know what's going on with your children. What the fuck are you talking about, Kyle? Yeah, I will allow that Kyleyle has shared stuff in her life in the past but now that there's something actively happening in her life that she won't talk about it when she was so vicious and relentless with other people on this show that she has that that since left because they just couldn't even deal with it anymore it was like not worth it to them lisa vanderpump denise richards others you know like that's where it's frustrating it's not that like just because you shared something five years ago doesn't mean that you're you're you're off the hook for um not like really avoiding what's going on in your life this season you know and so kyle is, she sees this as an opening where she can deflect from her shit and just attack Garcelle.
Right. Because nobody wants to see more from Garcelle.
That's not the point. They're calling Garcelle boring.
Cause Kyle doesn't want to answer whether she's a lesbian right now. That's it.
That's this whole thing. And everybody knows it.
And Kyle's doing this like, well, what do you want me to tell you? What more do you want from me? Like having this and erica goes yeah that's how we feel we've just been so open we've been so destroyed you destroyed your damn self okay you destroyed your damn self and your husband destroyed you so stop with this so carl's like i mean literally turning the camp tuning the camera out and never even thinking about the cameras being there do you have my right side or my left okay do it again that's how much we've done this okay kyle kyle saying kyle saying oh my god do you realize like i'm not even thinking about the cameras being there let's rewind to the top of the episode dorit how did you not know they'd catch you smoking on camera our cameras are there we all know the cameras are right there so there. So she's both very aware of the cameras, but she tunes them out.
She doesn't remember they're even there. So Garcelle brings up that last year Morgan was part of the show and they met her.
So what's the problem with bringing that up? And so we see the flashback to Kyle tattooing the K onto Morgan and being like, I tattooed the K on you. Yeah, she stalked me.
She stalked me. Yeah.
I made a couple albums about her Stalker Bitch with the clip on Listen listen Morgan did not Sign up for the show she did not want to be part Of it and she's not part of the cast And Carissa was like well she didn't sign up this season But she was on before She's fair game and Kyle was like Okay she came on as a favor to me. It was, I wanted her to come on as a favor to me to be someone on the show for no reason because there's no relationship between us.
What was the favor? Why did you want her on the show then? Because what ensued after that created a lot of anxiety for her. She didn't ask for this life and I'm trying to be respectful of someone who didn't sign up for it.
You know, your son didn't want part of the show this season and I respect that I'm actually very hurt by you this season like well I was hurt by you okay now I have to say just to be fair because Kyle makes me fucking crazy I like that Dorit asks her about this not Dorit Garcelle asked her about this but it did get old it got to be too much for me where I was just like okay like this final one of like let's talk again. Like enough.
You've already done it two other times this season. She said she doesn't want to talk about it.
Like I get how Kyle wouldn't want to talk about it and how she would be annoyed. But I also get that you were the one who brought it on camera in the first place, you know? But I did think Garcelle went a little far with that personally.
I mean, I think that like in normal life, if it was just like a group of friends she did go far but for this show i don't think so because kyle is happy to use the platform to talk about who mauricio is like banging or whatever and talks about mauricio and by the way and as she should because you know which is her right yeah i agree yeah as she should i fully support that but then um what it is is that kyle paints a picture of herself in a certain way and garcelle's like well but you have to like but there's more to this story and you're just creating a narrative on this platform that's going out to america but like what is but what's the rest of the story it's like frustrating that they have to tiptoe around kyle never has any problem asking nosy ass questions questions about people. But suddenly, you can't ask nosy questions to Kyle.
And I think that... Especially about sexuality, as you already brought up Denise and Brandy's lie that Kyle brought Brandy on to tell.
In a normal social situation, yeah, Garcelle's being tacky as fuck. But honestly, I think that at the end of the day, Garcelle does not really care about Kyle.
So she's just happy to make Kyle uncomfortable. I think she's always enjoyed doing that.
She enjoys needling Kyle. She enjoys watching Kyle get into, you know, a kerfuffle.
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You can listen to Don't Cross Cat on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. So basically this turns into Garcelle saying, look, this is something everybody's talking about.
You're in all the magazines on purpose. So, it would look hypocritical for everybody here to just ignore it.
Like, why aren't we allowed to ask? And then you go on the after, you pretend you're okay when we're shooting it. Like, I made that lesbian comment at the Chuck E.
Cheese and you laughed about it. And then we see the clip of her being like, Kyle, be who you want to be.
If you want to be a lesbian, be a lesbian. And Kyle cracking up.
And she's like, and then you were fine with it. And I wasn't even being catty.
I was just telling you, Kyle, no one will care. We support you.
The fans will support you. Everybody's going to support this.
You're making it more difficult. And she goes, and then you acted like you were fine.
And then on the after show, you went and you called me an asshole. So what's that about? Yeah.
Which also, to be fair to Kyle, you're allowed to say, I think Kyle is allowed to call Garcelle an asshole. Because how many times have you been confronted about an uncomfortable situation and then you laugh it off.
And then it's really like, what an asshole for putting me in that situation. I kyle was allowed to say that um and kyle's like well what was going through my head is that you're being an asshole right now um she goes well you know that wasn't you said that intentionally she goes well just be who you want to be stop worrying what other people think and andy's like do you think that's what she's doing and she's like yeah she's just trying because kyle does care about what people think and she's very she's very concerned about all that which is why she's being protective about it which is why she doesn't want to talk about it on camera.
So she's like, yeah, she's just trying. Because Kyle does care about what people think.
And she's very concerned about all that, which is why she's being protective about it, which is why she doesn't want to talk about it on camera. So she's like, you were trying to embarrass me.
That was an asshole move. Which you shouldn't be embarrassed anyway.
I don't think she was trying to embarrass her. Yeah, Garcelle's like, look, you can have your opinion.
And in any way, it's not about if Kyle had called her an asshole right then, it wouldn't have been a thing. It's kyle acts like she's okay and then she's she's two-faced she goes and then to a different camera calls you an asshole whereas garcelle just says it right to your face so then um she's like and then you got mad at sutton for not jumping on the bandwagon and she goes well because it sudden didn't have my back and that's between me and sutton so you know that's between us period and she goes well she but you're saying that she didn't have your back to come after me.
She goes, no, she didn't have my back to support me, not come after you. No, support you in coming after me.
Well, Kyle, if you watch the show, as you clearly studied it, you would know that Sutton had just had a conversation with Garcelle where she said, yeah, Kyle needs to be confronted about that. And then acting so innocent when it was brought up.

That's why she wasn't being supported.

She actively sat there and made a plan to come talk about it with you.

And then whisked out at the last second to get in your good graces.

Yeah.

And so, Sutton's like, well, you know what?

She didn't want to talk about Morgan, and she wanted to bring that up.

So, I didn't bring it up.

Well, if Morgan had not been on the show prior,

then I think it would have been okay to say,

well,

it's part of my life.

That's not,

that's off the table.

And Kyle goes,

but that's not,

that's not her place.

She didn't sign the contract to be there.

I did.

But again,

it just never,

I don't feel like I'm sure we go back.

We can find plenty of times where Kyle has a lot to say about people.

I mean,

honestly,

everything with Denise and I always go back to the Denise thing. Cause I feel like the denise like witch hunt was really one of the most like gross things that that click ever did and here they are on camera well actually never mind i'm taking this back because i was gonna say they're happy to revel in like this lesbian affair with denise and brandy um and i was like brandy wasn't part of the show but then I remember Brandy was the one who came to the camera and was like Kyle brought her to the camera don't you remember Kim's like oh man Brandy we're just in the neighborhood we come by Brandy tell her and then Brandy told her on camera I mean I think it's like shocked and had to take it to everybody else it's that's actually even worse than what Garcelle's doing because garcelle isn't really asking questions like can you give some context to this right she's not bringing on some ex-lover of morgan's or something yeah kyle like yeah she did not bring morgan onto the show she's not any of that you know like kyle did like a dirty deed that season like a dirty dirty and then spent the rest of the season going, but Brandy never lies.
Brandy's not a liar.

Brandy wouldn't lie. Brandy's a truth teller.

Exactly.

Ask her what she thinks about Brandy these days.

So, um...

Like I just said,

Sutton's been talking about this shit for seasons.

And to act like she isn't, like we

haven't seen it on TV, is ridiculous.

Like, Kyle says she didn't want to talk about it, so fine.

Then why were you have to see them saying, and then what about Kyle? I'm not talking about this and that. I mean, come on.
And I think the thing, to go back to the Morgan thing, because why should we ever talk about anything else? I think what's also probably frustrating for Garcelle is that Kyle is on camera talking about, oh my God, I'm realizing that Mariso has really moved on and oh, it's really real now. And those are probably all completely real and valid feelings.
She probably genuinely feels that way and that is hard to go through, but she's painting a narrative. She's all alone, all by herself.
But there's this situation with Morgan Wade, which maybe she's dating her, maybe she's's not but it seems like there's a relationship and at the very least there's a very close friendship and and like you're painting a narrative like you're all alone in this in this situation but like actually you're out there also having some fun it seems like and if you're not having fun then clarify it so then it turns to well why why were you just saying that i wasn't I wasn't standing up for Sutton? Because then you said that. That, like, you know, when Sutton was getting in trouble at the table, and everybody was coming for Sutton, and then I didn't say anything, you got mad at me for not standing up for her, but you didn't stand up for her, and no one else stood up for her.
Why is it me? Why is it always me? Why? Why? Why is it me? She's going nuts. And Garcelle is basically like, because she wants it more from you.
So she's expecting it more from you. Because she knows she'll get it from me.
You know? Like she knows that I support her, but she doesn't know if you support her. And then you stay there.
And like she is sitting there asking you to support and you don't do it. And I didn do it because the moment that I do it everyone goes oh there they are again the two of it's like it's Garcelle and Sutton Garcelle is the mouthpiece again yeah I think Garcelle is kind of so thrown off by all of this that she's not really standing up for herself very well you know because she's not pointing out a lot of things that are going on like she didn't point out what you just said which is I'm always standing up for Sutton I was giving a chance to see if you were going to stand up for her or not.
If I didn't point out a lot of things that are going on. Like she didn't point out what you just said, which is I'm always standing up for Sutton.
I was giving Sutton a chance to see if you were going to stand up for her or not. If I didn't stand up for her for one scene out of 9 million scenes and you didn't.
And that's the point. That's the point I was trying to make for Sutton.
You're trying to win Kyle's approval. Kyle does not give a shit about you when you don't care about you don't care about my approval because you know that you've automatically got it and i will always stand up for you you know i wish garcelle kind of had a better defense to some of this stuff yeah she definitely was caught off guard because she was not expecting to be in the hot seat she thought she was just going to be there and chime in and say things and support sudden and she didn't realize that this was going to be a this would be such a moment right so does her whole like jenn Jennifer Tilly didn't stand up for her.
What did I do to deserve it?

What did I do?

And so Garcelle just says,

okay, well, I'm sorry about that.

She goes, I mean, I don't know.

It's like, who do you trust?

You know, like, who do you trust?

Oh, well, surely you could trust your best friend

who's texting your ex behind your back.

Surely.

I know.

But I know the feeling it's not nice.

And I think that's why I grittarted towards Bo's.

She was so real.

I didn't feel like I had to question it ever.

And Garcelle goes, good.

Andy's like.

Okay, now we move to the big one, which is Doreen.

How do you feel seeing what Garcelle said about someone orchestrating the break-in?

There was no music.

Hmm.

You're so silly.

Gotcha!

Bitch!

Gotcha, cool!

If you're insinuating

that Debra herself

set this up for an insurance scam,

you are sadly mistaken. she's like i don't done this now here's the thing before we even get into all of this garcelle if you are gonna say that somebody or that that was bullshit you are gonna have to take it at the reunion and that's just it like she's not in this in this section and i don't mean this for the rest of the reunion but for this section you said it take the heat you're gonna have to take the heat i actually i liked her well i mean when she said i never said it was you or pk i mean that was kind ofitty, but I liked what she ultimately said.
I think she stood very well for herself.

I like that she did not back down in this section.

But later when she gets upset, like they're all coming for me.

Well, yeah.

I mean, if you say something like that, you have to be prepared to go to the reunion and be ready for her to go on a self-righteous terror against you because she's going to.

And a lot of the audience will join her. And I like that Garcelle is brave enough to be like, it's bullshit.
That's why I said it. So she's like, I don't understand the obsession about one of the most traumatic scenes in my life.
Something I suffered terribly for two and a half years. And she goes, well, that's my feeling.
And that's the last time I'm going to talk about it. Well, how do you? Because you have not stopped talking about it since it happened.
She goes, oh, please. I talked about it twice.
And you feel it was a setup? Yeah, I do. I feel how I feel.
I mean, what am I supposed to do? Detective Gressel loved all of this. Listen, I've become an expert in detective movies lately, and my expert self says it's a setup.
And so, Dorit's like, well, it's based on nothing. Well, I don't want to talk about your finances.
It's just my instincts. And also, it's not based on nothing, Dorit.
You have a very, very long history with your husband of shady dealing and grifting and not paying people and then

break-ins and robberies and all this shit seems to always be happening to you. And then even last year, you had that mysterious $10,000 that went missing from your purse and a Target.
No, Home Depot. No, a HomeGoods.
No, a Marshalls. Come on.
It's not based on that thing. It's based on your history, Dorit.

And it's not only four people on Twitter

who doubted your story.

A lot. a marshals come on it's not based on that thing it's based on your history dirty and it's not only four people on twitter who doubted your story a lot of people still to this day doubt all of your stories because you're full of shit and so is your husband so that's what it's based on ma'am well i mean here i mean look she's getting activated because she is interpreting this as you are doubting my trauma and i don't think anyone doubts the trauma i think we all believe that she was went through a horrific horrific thing but i think we all think that there's there is a chance that like she was not aware that this was a setup in some way like this was something that there was a lot fishy that went on there and it completely gauche to say that she, she did that because it was traumatic if it happened.
So it is gauche to say it, but people who follow this show and follow the news off of this show would think that it's fishy. It's not the first time they've been robbed.
It's not, I mean, it's not crazy to think that this is fishy now to say it, I think takes extreme balls Because even me, and listen, I love getting deep into this stuff and thinking like, that's not true. That never happened.
I love a good conspiracy. Even I was like, I'm not going to go there.
Even though, of course, I think it's fishy. Of course it is, just because of who they are.
But I'm still not ready to say it's a lie. I don't know that it's a lie.
I don't know if it's a lie either. So, I'm not going to say that.
I think fishy is fair to say. Yeah.
Fishy. I think we settle.
I think we feel good about it. I think the word of the day is fishy.
We have decided we are going to land in a place of fishiness. And in terms of trauma, you got to just give it to the person.
It doesn't, like, it's not a big enough hill to die on for me. Right.
If that happened and you say, no, it didn't happen, that's crazy if that did actually happen to somebody so even i won't say that so i actually kind of maybe respected the balls that garcelle is just like it's sorry maybe garcelle should have maybe garcelle should have just said i think it's fishy not like it was a setup but i think it's fishy um but uh dorita is like very upset about this maybe she's just much. Who knows? And don't get me wrong.
I'm glad Garcelle said something. And I'm glad how she's standing up for herself.
I'm just saying, if you're going to say it, be prepared. Because you're going to get a lot of blowback.
Right. And again, this is a cast that is very fragile.
Because on Salt Lake City or Potomac or Atlanta or even New Jersey,

this is like child's play.

It's child's play to say, I think that this break-in was a setup.

That's like nothing to those casts.

But here they're like, how could you say it?

Set on Mary D'Medicine, one cast member actually accused another of robbing her home,

of setting up people to rob her home. Anila did.
Yes. To Toya.
Yes. Yes, exactly.
So, Dorit's like, you can say it so casually, not considering once how it might make me, my husband, our family, our deluxe pack of Pringles feel about this car cell. That's absolutely, that's inconceivable.
Do you know how the minority help felt about it absolutely disgusting of you and garcelle's like well i'm sorry it hurts you it's how i feel and boz just goes wow wow i like i like our cells like well if i'm wrong i'm wrong it's kind of like well you can't argue with that she's like i'm i think i'm sorry but if i'm wrong that's my opinion well and so andy's like so you think it's because the guys gave back the cell phone it's just well yeah and it was also because i don't put the alarm on at night because the kids run around i mean most people's alarm you can put the alarm on and be in the home oh you think my husband would orchestrate have you seen him he hired berlin and garcelle's like Well i didn't say you were your husband don't put that in my mouth well you intimated well i did not i did not i mean you did yeah you did of course who else orchestrated it i mean i think the orchestration the hint that was that it was pk who did it was the theory she did never technically say it yeah i i agree um and garcelle's like no i said that i don't think dorit knew anything about it and we see we do see a flashback of her saying i don't think dorit knew anything about it but something's going on there and garcelle's like you know what i'm done talking about it this is how i feel and this is how i feel and drew say well i'm going to at least tell you how i feel and, well, I know how you feel because you never shut up. Listen, my husband must be a sociopath and not give a shit about his family whatsoever that he would send men into our home at night with my children sleeping in the house.
And he would put me through that trauma. I mean, the only person who would ever do such a thing would have to be such a severe alcoholic to be so in a not a proper place of thinking to do such a thing.
And if there's one thing that we know about PK, I can't talk about it, unfortunately. So, next question.
Yeah. And for Dorit to say, oh, he must be a sociopath and not give a shit about his family whatsoever.
Well, didn't you say that PK never sees the kids? He never calls the kids. When you were at your lowest point going through trauma, he didn't care.
He ignored you. He wanted you to shut up.
We saw him on camera say, it's not even trauma, it's just being annoying or whatever he said on camera. So you spent a lot of time telling us and PK has taken a lot of time showing us that he doesn't give a fuck.
So I don't know what argument you're trying to say but you've been arguing against yourself for the entire season painting him as a piece of shit who doesn't care about his children or you so so gross i was like was i the only one who felt that way he says well you tell me who else four other people from twitter and and gross i was like okay fine even though it was like more than four people for sure it was a lot more than four people So Bose is like, well, that's Even though it was more than four people, for sure.

Yeah, it was a lot more than four people.

So, Bo's is like, well, that's a difficult thing to say without any proof at all.

So, that has enormous repercussions, and it's dangerous to say, really, really terrible.

She's like, okay, I apologize.

Nothing, zero, I mean zero!

And he's like, all right, okay.

So, I was going to ask where you stand today, but a few few steps forward and a few prinkle cans back am I right so they all get up to go to their dressing rooms and Garstle's like can I just go home to Oxnard and so then they all go into their dressing rooms and Sutton is like well everybody hates me like everybody I think I'm gonna start to Kyle's like, oh, we haven't even started on you yet. Yeah.
You're fine. Yeah.
You have a long reunion ahead of you, ma'am. So, Garcelle is upset and Sutton comes to check on her and she's like, look, I'm damned if I do.
I'm damned if I don't. I can't say how I feel.
I can't say how I think. I have to tiptoe and And I'm not doing it.
I'm not doing it. Now, look, I agree that this was not great for you.
But this is kind of the first time Garcelle's really taken heat in a reunion. And at this point, I don't know what happens the rest of the reunion.
But at this point, I'm like, buck up because you're a real housewife and if you're gonna go say that you

think someone's robbery was bullshit you have to be prepared for this you can't be like oh i can't

believe it you know come on now like stick with it we're rooting for you this is kind of a vanderpump

moment where i'm like i'm rooting for you do not do not go down i'm rooting for you so yeah part

of me is like buck up get back in the ring and let's go i know they needed someone really tenacious

Thank you. So part of me is like, buck up, get back in the ring, and let's go.

I know. They needed someone really tenacious.

You know, so

I'm about to sneeze. I'm about to sneeze.

So you talk.

So now we go to Bo's and Dorit talking,

and they're talking about Garcelle,

obviously. And she's like, oh, this Garcelle

situation. I mean, this is not casual.

We're talking about a crime. Welcome to the real housewives of beverly hills babe i mean welcome to real housewives in general this is not unheard of here and uh she's like you can't say those things without repercussions which i get and then garcelle is going like i'm the bad guy oh don't worry we're the bad guy we're We're the bad guy.
We're the bad guys. Well, we're the mean girls, apparently.
Oh, we didn't even... I think we somehow missed the fact that during...
When Kyle was getting mad at Garcelle, Kyle had the balls to say, you guys, you and Sutton are mean girls. I could not believe my ears.
That was actually the most inflammatory thing I felt like was the entire episode. Because I think Kyle has been waiting to shed that reputation and to push it onto someone else.
Because that's the most offensive thing anyone has ever said to Kyle is calling her a mean girl. She's never been able to let it go.
And now she's trying to put it on somebody else. No, Kyle, you're still the mean girl.
She was was trying to change that narrative up and when she tried to do that to garcelle and sutton is sutton mean yes is garcelle can garcelle be mean yes are they mean girls no you guys are the mean girls and so when she tried to do that i can't believe we missed that i think we were in a frenzy because that was like definitely peak frenziness for us but when she said that i was like you have to be fucking kidding me that actually bothered me more than erica saying that garcelle was not interesting because like you know there is a there is some truth in erica saying it just we don't feel like erica should be the one to say it and also we don't feel like that should be uh something that garcelle should be prosecuted over However, Kyle calling Sudden and Garcelle Mean Girls, that was wildly offensive to me. So Garcelle's like, well, I'm not taking that on.
You can say anything you want, but I'm not taking it because I know who I am. And when she said, be more interesting, oh, fuck you, Erica, fuck you.
Because I'm not going through a divorce. Because I didn't have criminal activity, that I work, that I'm self- self-made that i don't have a rich husband that i wasn't born with the silver spoon in my mouth yeah that's what you need to say out there yeah say that you don't need to say that in here you need to say that right to their faces because fuck those ladies for saying that shit to you and you're absolutely right in this defense and this is what you need on the stage man yeah this is when it's time for her to shoot the moon and as well she's fair she doesn't have a rich husband either i'm sorry fucker fucker but yeah shoot the moon on the stage and as long as you're going down the path as long as you're doing you're going to take the role of i'm going to the and now we've said it role of like i'm going to say the thing i'm going to say the thing that i think it might be a setup i'm going to say like what about morgan? We're all like everyone knows about it, but we're not talking about it.
I'm going to say as long as you do that, then go all the way and bring this energy all the way there. And like, don't worry about how it might make you look.
Don't worry about it being rude. Because at this point, you've already sort of gone down that path and just confront everyone with the things that they don't want to be confronted with.
Because the audience has your back. And I think that there's other things going on here because we, you know, this is the first black woman to ever be on Beverly Hills.
And there is a certain, you know, there have been storylines where it's like, she says one thing, you know, and there's microaggressions thrown at her. You know what I mean? Right.
It's an attack or whatever else. And so she's probably not wanting to go too low because she's like, if I don't keep my composure, the next thing they're going to call me is angry or whatever else they're going to throw at me you know like they've done before so she's you know i can see that there's kind of a line that she's walking so i want to acknowledge that that's there too um and i guess that would be hard because as a fan you just want to see her go for it and be like no fuck you you.
You're a fucking criminal and your husband's a fucking criminal. And you, when you, Erica, and when you were confronted with what happened to the victims, you said, I don't give a fuck about anybody but myself.
Does that make you more interesting? Does it make you more interesting that you're trying to hold on to diamond earrings like you petty ass that were bought with stolen money that you know was stolen? And that when we said that there are victims and you said, well, we don't know that there are victims. Like, fuck you.
Does that make you interesting? You fucking crook. Lori, you're fucking.
But, you know, for her to actually go there, you know, that's a bigger choice in her mind because there's repercussions of the ladies in how they're going to treat her and label her after that. So I get how she's probably feeling frustrated.
And, you know, like you're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't. But as a friend, as a good friend to Garcelle, as a fan, I really want to see her just let these witches have it.
Because Erica, especially. Erica, especially.
How dare you, ma'am? Oh, my God. Yeah.
That would be really sensational. Anyway, that's it.
That was the the end of the episode so this is a good reunion so far by the way i would like to say it's been really good and we have more to come next week so thank you all for being here we will catch you on the next episode and yeah bye everyone bye watch what crappens would like to thank its premium sponsors ain Ain't no thing like Alison King. Our way is the Amber way.
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