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Today, Real Housewives of Potomac.

It's the third episode of the season.

We get our taglines.

Kierna is still,

you know what?

She's still putting in that effort this season.

She's like, no, no, no, I will be a housewife.

Come hell or high water.

I will do it.

So Kierna's coming in trying it.

That's the last episode of Kiarna trying it.

Will at least one of her fights be interesting?

Yes.

One of her nonsensical, stupid fights.

Can they be interesting?

No, they're really not, but it is interesting watching her try over and over.

And you know what?

A for effort.

Yeah, A for Effort, for sure.

I love a housewife that takes notes.

You know, she heard the audience,

and the audience basically last season was snorting.

Why is Kierna

housewife?

And she said, I'm going to step it up.

And she also clearly told Greg, listen.

I don't know what you're thinking, but like you either get on board, new Kierna, or you don't, because this train is leaving the station.

And he came this, this episode and like he was all smiles, acting like he was actually enjoying the experience, which he wasn't, and trying to be all silly.

So she's sort of getting things in shape over there, I guess.

Well, she brought her mom and her mom is the most important thing because her mom was like, I'm not going to stay in this party.

Like, why would I stay here?

I'm not going to be here with these trifling, you know.

And then she did stay and just judged the whole thing, which I loved.

She stayed and stood by the fireplace and just gave looks to everybody.

Like at one point, she was even waving her hand, like, oh, no, no.

I know.

She's like a school chaperone at the prom.

She was.

She's like, do not make me step in there.

So funny.

She's a great addition.

Bring ditch Karen and I bring the mom.

That's who I know.

I think that's, I think that would be a good direction.

Yeah.

So

shall we start in with our taglines for this?

Let's do her taglines, everybody.

Giselle is first.

When the nest is empty,

it's time for naked, grown, and sexy.

Why do I feel like Giselle is not going to be doing any of those things?

Giselle's not going to be doing anything but stirring shit.

That's what she does.

You know, I liked her line in this episode when she said, I didn't, these girls say such stupid things, I don't even have to make stuff up anymore, which I liked.

Freely admitting.

Yeah, she's like, I could just, they could just let her rip.

Wendy's line is, I put the high in higher education.

Well,

that already didn't age so well.

You also put the high in behind bars.

You put the high in mugshots.

We've seen the pictures.

So, Stacey, some people believe the lies, but still

I rise.

Stromaya Angelou loves,

loves this.

Listen here, Angeloser.

You can't just steal from Maya Angelou.

You better pay the copyrights.

Chiara's is, Beauty is my business, but getting you together is my specialty.

That was pretty good, actually.

I think that's a, that's a, that, that's a good, that's some good wordplay there.

I think hers should be, I have a new billboard, and you bill be bored.

You will be bored.

You will be bored.

Marcelle Lolly steps in.

Don't worry.

I will do your tagline.

You will be bored.

Shall Lolly, wait, I got this.

I can do this.

You will be bored.

You will be bored.

So then we move over to Tia, who's like, you can only clutch pearls if you have them.

And darling, I have loaves.

Great.

Love Tia.

I'm just happy with anything she says.

She could have been like, I went to the supermarket the other day and I found something that was on sale.

I'd be like, oh, fabulous tagline.

Daughters, horrible creatures.

The end.

Angels

is, hell hath no fury like an angel scorned.

Oh, yeah, we see that in today's episode as you immediately back down and go after whoever Kirna wants you to.

I know, right?

Angels should have been, I will charge you to go outside.

Because her business of like making people pay to go on hikes, which is still the biggest rip-off business I've ever heard.

So then is Ashley.

Or if you come for me, if you come for me, I'll say, take a hike.

This cherry blossom is ready for her second bloom.

Come on, Ashley.

These lines came after your second bloom.

Okay.

You missed it.

You missed the boat, Ashley.

Ashley, you've been blooming for a long time.

You've been having lots of blooms.

I mean, you had the Luke Gilbranson bloom.

You had the Ralph Bloom.

You had the Beavis and Butthead bloom.

I mean, there's been a lot of blooming.

I feel like an

only have to do with men, okay?

Well, I feel like with Ashley, it does because what else is she doing?

It's like, oh, she is.

Does the TikTok dance count as a bloom?

She's singing.

She's drag kinging.

And as we learned today, she's going to exercise classes.

Michelle Lawley returns.

She is drag kinging.

She is drag kinging.

So let's see what the ladies are up to today.

Angel.

Angel's talking about her new house that she's shopping for with Bobby for this TV show that they're shooting that we're watching.

And she wants to spend $7 million.

And he's like, God damn.

And then we go to Ashley.

He's like, that's a lot of hiking trips.

It's a lot of luxury hiking trips in Colorado.

He's like, you know, I'm not still playing football, right?

Like, my income is done for my life.

I'm done.

Let's save some money.

Let's save some money.

Yeah.

Ashley is at spin class.

It looks like she's at like a spin yoga class, which I don't even know how those two concepts work together.

But she's saying, like, since I got divorced, it's like really something I'm basing who I am, the woman that I am right now.

And like, if there's like a class of like other women, like really activates my brain, I just want to be the fastest and the strongest and the best.

So she has, um, she's going to exercise class.

She's trying to somehow like turn going to exercise class into like an empowering statement of her womanhood and independence after divorce.

But I'm like, that's fine.

You're just going to an exercise class.

You're going to spin class.

I thought that was interesting.

She's like, I'm a woman, and now I'm doing what I want to do.

I'm going to spin class.

I was like, you've always gone to spin class.

You tried to stop.

I know.

I know.

You were going to spin class with Michael also.

And now I'm better than everyone else.

Now we go to Stacey and Arabella, who's taking a pageant class with

like a beauty queen lady, and she's teaching her to walk.

And can I just tell you, Arabella looks like her father and she does not want to do this.

It looks like you're making the ex-husband try and do it.

And he's like, I will do this because I want to please you, but this is the only reason I'm here.

Please take me for cookie after.

Thank you.

Yes, but it's all worth it because we really see the purpose of this is not for Arabella to get pageant experience.

The purpose is for Stacy to relive her pageant experience because the instructor is like, okay, now walk, walk.

Okay.

One, two, head up, whole way.

Beautiful.

Okay.

Let's Stacey's like, oh, do you mind if I step in?

I just want to show her what, what, what genes she comes from.

Okay, here we go.

And then, of course, Stacey fully takes the stage and does her pageant walk and does it like perfectly, but with that like additional veneer of QVC experience and the pigpin cloud that's that's following her around of breath

because that's all I can think of.

You see these ladies, that's what they do to summon.

They make stinky breath a thing.

And now that's all I see when she walks.

That's not fair.

That's not fair.

I hope they have a lot to answer for at the reunion.

I almost said answer for.

Answer for.

I hope they have a lot to answer for at the reunion.

That's ridiculous.

wow.

Well, I'm sorry that this pageant scene was clouded by the breath,

a breath cloud.

But anyway, yeah, Stacey does it.

And I always think it's funny when this happens because it's clearly like, are you really there to teach Arabella or are you just having your moment on camera?

Because

this is going to come back in therapy in about five or six years for her.

Just so you know.

Like

my mother never even let me do my pageant classes.

She always would take the stage.

I mean, we all know this is where it's headed.

That's why my parents put me in bowling league.

So they could just watch me rise to the top and live their dreams out.

Which never happened.

We always won the trophy where the person has just dropped

a bowling ball on their toe and they're grabbing their toe.

They're like, ow.

And that's the trophy.

That's the trophy.

We were last place every year.

Yeah, it's a last place trophy.

Wow.

Bowling.

I think I told you the story about Ruth, the bowling ball, right?

I think I did at one point.

But

that was my finest moment in bowling is when, you know, you're choosing a bowling ball and then I found a ball at the alley.

It just said Ruth on it.

And I was like, this is my ball.

There's no more to that story.

I just love to, I just love to remind people that somewhere out there, there's like a red, there's like a maroon bowling ball somewhere in like Mount Kisco, New York that just says

Ruth.

Yeah, my Mima's was Ramona because that was her name, Ramona.

And so there's a bowling ball out there that said Ramona too.

I like to bowl with hers, but my fingers got too big.

You know what?

Then it was all over.

So then, yeah, she's just living out her dreams.

And you know, she is because she's brought her gay there to be like, Yes, you're walking right.

Yes, you're doing it great.

So, but I actually, actually, I, what I love about AJ is he's a little bit not that at the same time.

Cause like, once she does her whole thing, he's like, Okay, okay, you ready to come back down?

You ready to take your seat?

This is not your moment.

Like, he's kind of like, Okay, Stacey, let's not be ridiculous.

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So they FaceTime Papa so he can see the final walkthrough.

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And she's like, you know, we're not telling Arabella that we're back together because divorce is hard.

So we're just lying to her.

We know, Stacey, that seems to be what you're being accused of all season.

I love that she's like, how dare you accuse me of being a liar?

I'm lying to my daughter for another season.

It's been fun.

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what's his name again?

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He's pretending that he hasn't told her and she's pretending like she doesn't know just because it's too hard for Sacey to deal with.

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Right?

What a sweet.

Would that be so sweet and entertaining?

That's a sweet turn.

But Arabella is extremely smart.

So she knows things that are clearly not fine.

She knows things are clearly not final.

So yeah, they FaceTime the dad and he watches and he's like, oh, great.

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And then we go to Kierana and Wendy.

And now this is a Salt Lake City scene, if I've ever seen one.

I mean, what are you two

doing something illegal?

This looked like deep stroke right here.

I mean, she was sitting on a bench by the river.

And Wendy,

John Lucaré is happening in this scene.

What, where is the briefcase?

It was like somewhere between like an 80s like Cold War spy movie, but also like Ingmar Bergman.

Cause I remember I saw like one Ingmar Bergman movie where there was a couple and they were sitting sitting on separate benches but talking to each other and i was like this is so artsy and spyy at the same time what is happening here and it's all shot from behind

yeah

who was the operative here and wendy keeps showing up in completely inappropriate outfits like literally everywhere they are and i don't know if it's because they were arrested for the fraud and all that stuff but i'm just like oh my god that's just so much money you're wasting for a park bench scene you know what i mean i know you can never wear that again i know you're on tv but you're on a bench at a river.

It's not even a nice river.

It's like a, it's like the shitty East River or something, you know?

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You know, we only see her back.

And then Wendy comes in this crazy looking jumpsuit, like this pastel romper thing and sits down.

Then Kierna just kind of turns to her and starts talking to her side, like just face to head.

She's reading a newspaper.

She's like, okay.

Let's get right to it.

Let me start by saying this.

I wanted to bring it outside of a party setting for us to have a conversation.

We can discuss issues that I feel we're having.

Do not look at me.

Look straight ahead.

The eagle has landed and the nest is under the bench.

So she says that she feels like Wendy just wanted to be TV friends, you know, and off-camera just felt a little phony, like didn't feel like a genuine relationship.

And that like her behavior is not as consistent with someone who...

has ever liked her.

So naturally, to get to the root of why they aren't as good friends off camera than they are on camera, she has decided to address this on camera.

Yeah, she wants to only confront her on camera about their off-camera.

Why aren't you as good friends with me off-camera?

I'm asking you on camera.

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So, Karen, you've watched a lot of housewives shows.

I know that we'd all prefer housewife shows where everybody's friends and that's how we know each other, but we know that's a bunch of bullshit.

And when people bring people on as friends, it doesn't mean they're really friends.

You know, we know that Wendy's not your really friend.

We've always known, especially when Wendy was like, I'm not staying in the same room as Kierna.

They'll know and didn't come check on you when you had diarrhea, which I don't remember.

I mean, I don't know if you remember it, but that was an entire storyline.

That was a very huge storyline.

That was Kirna's first victim storyline.

It was like, no one checked on me and I had really bad diarrhea.

Old Giselle checked on her about diarrhea.

It's like, not even a joke.

That was her storyline.

Yeah.

Um, she, the other thing is, like, they're co-workers, I feel like, more than friends.

And so, you can be friends with your coworkers, but like, if you run into your coworker at a restaurant, you're not necessarily saying, like, oh my God, come sit down at the table with me.

You're gonna, you're trying to kind of maybe have like some separation.

I mean, I do think that Wendy is an asshole, but um, I also think that Kirna is like really trying to make this a thing,

And Wendy just doesn't have the time for it.

Wendy, you know, is

like Kierna is

someone on her show who's not been terribly effective.

And like, also, I feel like Kierna kind of has kids' sister vibes on the show a little bit, sort of like what Ashley's initial role was like.

So, you know, I kind of like understand Wendy being kind of frosty.

I mean, it's not nice.

It's not nice that she.

You know what this is?

This is Kristen Takeman energy from Real Housewives of New York when Bethany came back on and she was just like why would you be friends with me why aren't we friends aren't we friends what are you why are you putting me in a little box and bethany's like i don't have time for this okay who are you who who even are you like i don't even know who you are why am i being forced to fight with this new person yeah it's giving those vibes and yes wendy can be an asshole everybody knows it but it's like kieran is so late for this that it's like we already knew wendy was an asshole like we've yeah wendy's been an asshole and now we accept wendy as the asshole that she is and so now we kind of like Wendy being an asshole, if that makes any sense.

Maybe not like it, but especially when you're trying too hard to have fights with her, because really all that counts is Wendy is always really nice to you on camera, especially when no one else really was Kirina.

And, you know, you should be grateful that someone's nice to you on camera.

It's on camera.

That's what matters.

It's TV.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And also, I don't love fights that are about things that happen off camera.

Like, unless it's like something really, really,

you know, strong, like Scandival with something that happened off camera, that's fine.

But if it's like, um,

you know, you're not as nice to me off camera as on camera.

I mean, I mean, that's okay.

But I don't, I think that Kieran was coming in really hot on this issue.

She could, I think her vibe should be more like, hey, I want to check in because I kind of feel like when the cameras aren't rolling, I feel like we have a different vibe.

And I just want to know, like,

if there's something that maybe

like I've done that made you not so like made you want to act differently around me.

I don't know, but she's coming in like accusatory, like you're different to me.

You're different and I don't like this and you're condescending.

And well, first of all, Wendy's always been condescending.

So that's your fault for not realizing that until now.

But also it's like you're not going to get in.

If you're trying to mend a friendship, I don't think you're really going to get anywhere by sitting someone down and then just like pointing a finger at them and telling them why they suck.

Also, it's like week three.

You haven't shut up about this and you've given us nothing that's really you know condemnable it's like i don't care about first of all you got mad that she didn't say hi to you while she was giving a speech which is weird and then i mean you've given us nothing to hang our hats on you know what i mean and so even with current circumstances going on i have to be team wendy because you're just trying too hard it's ridiculous yeah i agree and it's like she her big thing is that she interrupted she sat down in a conversation and then was upset that she was not like being addressed more which I mean, you know, if a friend sits down, you do try to sort of like do sort of nonverbal things to welcome them in, but at the same time, you went and like joined a conversation and then you're like shocked that you didn't become the center of it.

So yeah, weird.

That's on the air.

So now the new thing is she's like, I don't have shit to do with this, but are you doing preakness?

And Wendy says, yes, but wait.

Karen is like, because I planned on hosting for the Black Eyed Susan event as well.

And either we could come together here or we could have two separate events here because I did the legwork of trying to make this an event.

And Wendy goes, I did the legwork.

And First Lady Don Moore, her team reached out to me, which, oh my God, Don Moore is at home.

Like, oh, Jesus.

She's like, what?

I messed that one up.

She's like, this has been a rough two weeks for me.

Okay.

Just please leave my name out of your mouth.

Can we have that edited out?

Can we just edit that out of the peacock version?

Yes.

She's like, let's have Don Les.

Don Les.

No,

please don't mention me right now.

Thank you very much.

But I also love, you know, when Kieran is like, I put in the legwork to make an event for this black-eyed Susan thing.

I love that what ultimately winds up being is like

fruit salad in her apartment at the table where there's not enough seats for everyone to sit at.

It's like a very like, it's actually a very standard brunch that like, I think most people might have.

But like on Real Housewives, they were just were like kind of cramped into like the

table.

You know, they had to put two place settings at the end of the table in front of like a really ugly closet door, like to be shot.

You know, there's like not enough room for like the, for like her mom and Greg to like be not in the scene because they're all like, it's just, she's like, I put a lot of legwork into this.

Okay.

I sourced some really good pineapple and melon.

So

she's like, yeah, well, I did the legwork and first lady Dawn Moore reached out to me.

And so Kierna's like, okay, fine.

So I get, and she's like, what's the issue, Kierna?

And she's like, then host your thing.

And she's like, but I don't understand the issue.

And she's like, but there's not an issue then.

So who did it first?

So that's, if you guys are going to fight about this, we need to know, was this a party you were going to have together?

Was this something Kierna was going to do?

And then Wendy stole it when she got the first lady invite?

Or was this something Wendy said, I want to do this thing?

And Kierna said, okay, I'll host a pre-thing for it.

And now they're fighting so they don't want to do it together.

I need more details on this stupid fight.

I feel like Kiarna, I think reading between the lines, Kiarna was excited to host like a proper housewives party.

And instead, Wendy has come in and is kind of like, the First Lady of Maryland reached out about doing something.

So I'm definitely going to do that.

And so now Kierna probably, her big thing that she was going to do now got downgraded last second into being a brunch.

This brunch I just made fun of her for, but it probably was like a last minute switcheroo.

She got downgraded on the the schedule, but I'm sorry, it was the first lady of Maryland.

I'm sorry, that trumps Kierna.

I, I, like, I don't know.

And if I were a Kierna, I'd be like, oh, that's so cool.

We should definitely do that.

That's cool.

We're going to go to like the governor's mansion or be in the governor's box or whatever.

And Wes Moore, Wes Moore, very hot governor, too.

I'd like to point out.

Like, of course you do that.

You're not going to, it's like, go hang out with Wes Moore, a hot governor versus Greg on the sofa.

Hello.

This is an obvious choice.

So Wendy tells us, I'm so excited to host the Ladies at Preakness.

It's one of the races that's part of the Triple Crown.

It's a staple in the Maryland community.

And then we see a flashback of the ladies going in 2017.

And she's like, and let's be very clear, First Lady of Maryland, and yeah, she asked me.

So.

Okay, now that being said, everything, it's like, let's settle down on this First Lady of Maryland stuff, though.

Also, at the same time, I know I just liked it.

A whole state, like, they're like, oh, my God, it's Westmore icon.

God, la, la.

No, but like at the same time, like, like let's also relax here okay like it's cool that the first lady of maryland invited you but like let's just like take a breather okay this is not like you know

julie andrews was like come to my mansion in camelot or wherever she lives you know

what if she was like julie and who's invited me to peakness

i don't know why i don't know why julie andrews became the

why does julie andrews trump the first lady of maryland i mean what the hell well i'm not thinking julie andrews is we are i know what do you

there's no term limits i don't i don't know why yeah there's no term limits on spinning around on a mountain okay

i don't know why the dough will always be dear people

a female deer okay sorry first lady of maryland don moore i think don moore seems great but

let's she's no julie andrews that's all we're saying she's no julie andrews and like it's funny because like wendy like she she just bragged about don moore one too many times.

And I've already now been like, you know what?

I've had enough.

Yeah.

We've had it with you, Don Moore, trying to get on the show.

What if Don Moore, what if they showed up, they show up and Don Moore's like, you know what, Wendy, I feel like you're just trying to be a TV friend.

I would love that.

Like everybody's just turning on Wendy.

Wasn't Don Moore on last season or did she send something?

When Wendy and Eddie had their big party, I think, oh, maybe they sent like a letter like from the offices of Dawn Moore or something like that.

Oh, yeah.

They're like, we endorse this.

What was it?

Like the renewal of their vows?

What was it?

It was something.

Yeah, she read.

We should have known.

Yeah, she read.

She did read something where she's like, and this is from the First Lady of Maryland.

It's like, okay.

So

Karen was like, oh, wow.

So

I just got, you know, basically.

overshadowed by the first lady.

Okay, got it.

So she's like, okay, let's move on from this because I want to have a real conversation.

When we were at Ashley's Bloom Ball, you were very, very condescending.

Oh, for Christ's sake, we're going back to the Bloom Ball.

We didn't even want to go to the Bloom Ball in the first place.

Now we have to go back there, Kiarna.

Kierana.

Can we go to Kiri?

This Bloom Ball is wilting me.

And then, by the way, the only footage, the only evidence they can pull up of Wendy being condescending is just like a shot of her face just being blank and bored, listening to whatever Kiarna is saying.

I was like, that's not condescension.

That's just like, really?

I have, like, you're going to come at me right now.

And I'm just trying to have a conversation with Giselle.

Yeah.

She was just lifting up her dress and talking to Giselle about her dress.

And Karen is like, how dare you?

I walked up and you didn't immediately drop your dress and say, hello, Kierana.

We're discussing my dress.

So Wendy is like, what brought you to me at Astrid's event?

I'll be honest with you.

That's very juvenile to me.

And I don't understand it.

She goes, false, false, false.

Okay, that's not true, but go ahead.

False.

Go ahead with your falsettes.

Whether it's false or not, I'm telling you how I feel and not just how I feel, but how Dawn Moore feels, First lady of maryland so i want you to know that i saw red flags and you as a friend and i saw state flags when i visited dawn moore and i was just trying to navigate it because i was trying to learn you better

yeah

and uh karen goes same same

same

same news same

same oh yeah well but for me like i was like dang she doesn't call me you know me the person who's always had your back in the group on my birthday last year it was ashy said that you got your butt your business like from from drug money.

And guess what?

I was the only one in that group that chased after you, much the way Dawn Moore chased after me with the invitation to the preakness.

And you know what?

It's okay.

Don't worry about it.

I said to her, don't worry, don't worry.

It's okay.

It's okay.

And that's the kind of friend I've been to you.

The kind of friend who consoles you, even though she's friends with the First Lady of Maryland.

That is funny, though, that Wendy's only evidence of them being friends is her hugging her and going, it's okay that they called your boyfriend a drug dealer.

Like, that's their only evidence of friendship, Kieran.

Why are you acting like you guys are best friends?

It's so weird.

So she's like, yeah, but you know what, Wendy, here's what you do.

You show up whenever there's a moment where you have to align and look like a friend.

But then privately, I expected more from our friendship.

She's like, why are you trying to chase?

Why are you chasing this friendship then?

Yeah.

I mean, privately, are people calling your boyfriend a drug dealer that she should be there privately?

Because that's what she was there for you for.

So that's it.

Yeah.

What do you want?

It's so weird that you're making me stick up for Wendy.

It feels like this is the wrong season to be sticking up for Wendy of all seasons, but I can't help it.

You're just coming up with too much bullshit, you know?

And Wendy can be wrong in all the other stuff that she's done and still be right in this.

And I think that's the case here, Kierna.

Like you're going against someone who should be universally being like kind of dogged on right now because of everything going on in the press.

And you've got us on her side.

I mean, what the hell, Kierna?

This is how bad you are at this right now.

Rethink.

Yeah.

Isn't it weird?

I feel like, I feel like, I feel like we're all kind of in a holding pattern on Wendy right now.

We're like,

should we, should we be like really angry at Wendy?

Is there more to the story?

I feel like we're all just sort of like watching, but it hasn't actually affected my view of her on the show just yet.

I just have cringe moments like with her, with her tagline, you know?

Yeah.

I mean, what can you do?

You just go through week by week.

You know what?

Day by day.

We can just take it day by day.

We're housewives addicts.

We have to think of this like our addiction, you know?

We can't just waste all our anger and be mad when people tell us to and, you know, make bad choices just because we feel like it.

You know, we take this day by day.

And today, I think Wendy is correct.

Yes.

So Kirano's like, now I'm going to have to drink.

Damn it.

Damn it.

I ruined it.

Kirna says, when I feel like it comes to a point in that friendship that we can't connect on it, like I don't like it.

And like it makes me feel uncomfortable because I feel like I can't show up and be my authentic self with a person that I've seen on my, as my friend.

And then when I sat across from at the event and watched just, I just watched you be so

let me see go back to the boom ball with giselle talking what are you talking to giselle about her outfit she goes i'm watching you sitting there locked in with giselle and you don't even like her she's like wait but like because it was all conversation we were talking that's why i was locked in with her But you don't even like her.

And she goes, you don't even fucking like her.

I don't like her.

She goes, no, actually, I do like her.

She goes, oh, but you're talking about me.

No, because you don't like her.

She does that a lot today.

Karena, you don't understand.

everybody talks about each other this is housewives you cannot like somebody and then the next day you're at lunch in a stupid outfit with them that's how the show is you have to talk to people you don't like on this show i'm going to say something that i would never say to stacy take a breath for a second okay just

exhale but if stacy was here i would say inside breath inside breath

so wendy's like calm down she goes i am calm and she says when i was talking to giselle my that was my conversation with Giselle.

And I know, I don't even know what the issue is.

And she's like, here's what you did.

The Wendy I talked to on the phone is very excited about me, but it really centers around the show.

Okay, because you're on a show together.

Who cares?

What else is she going to be excited about?

Your relationship with Greg?

Your fake moving to another apartment so you don't take shit from the audience about still being with Greg, which, by the way, you're hypocritically getting on Stacey 4 and probably Giselle later this season.

So Kieran is like, yeah, you're excited on the the phone, but then you're not excited in real person.

And Wendy just starts doing her cackle that like, yeah.

Wendy's just like, I've had enough.

She starts laughing.

And she's like, this is what she's bringing to me.

I don't know what to do with it.

It seems like the level of hand holding that Kiarana needs in a friendship exceeds where I am as a grown-ass woman who's friends with the First Lady of Maryland.

Yeah.

And so Kieran is like, stop it.

But Wendy just gets up to leave and still keeps cackling.

And she's like, I still don't like you.

And you're raggedy.

Goodbye.

Thank you.

So Kierana is like, this is all the confirmation I needed.

The fake laugh, that I'm not really hearing you.

To me, it's just a lot of deflection.

Kierna, she doesn't like you.

Here's, here's, let me just tell you the truth.

The read you're getting on Wendy is correct.

She only likes you on the show because you're an ally.

Now you're being an asshole on the show and you're going to find out real quick what it's like to have her not as your ally because you just, you fucked up kiarna for no reason she doesn't like you she didn't like you she's not gonna like you that's just how it is she's showing up to punch in and then she's gonna punch out so she can punch in and be on your sign or she can punch in and be your enemy and you're about to find out

the second choice it's not a good one bad choice yeah

so yeah she's sort of in this basically kiarana concludes that like i think we're not really enemies, but we're not really friends.

And they flip each other off as kiarna leaves and then wendy just keeps on doing this laugh but then they do this then they have this weird moment they both start like walking away from the river and like wendy almost like she like hugs kiarna like there's like a side hug with her laugh and kierna's like get off me and i was like what was that about you guys just had a fight but you're trying to kind of like do a side hug with her did you guys just say like okay good scene we just wrapped that up let's go have lunch Wendy's energy is just like laughing it off.

And she's like, I'm not going to fight with you.

That's what I'm getting from her.

Like she's not even mad.

She's just like, girl, I'm not going to give you a fight on TV.

Sorry.

Like, bye, have a good day.

Okay.

I wasted this outfit on a park bench.

So have a good day.

Yeah.

Seriously.

Goodbye.

So now we go over to Angel's House with Bobby and we get a new type of generational trauma.

It's so rare that we're able to get a new kind of trauma on any of these housewives shows.

We've gone through so many of them.

But Bobby soft launches a new one, which is that when Patricia, his mom says, offers some yogurt to him, he says, nah, I don't eat yogurt.

Had too much go-gurt as a kid.

I was like, ooh.

Oh, so it's my fault you don't like yogurt or fruit.

The mother can never win.

The mother could never win.

All I wanted to do was show you love.

And I showed you that love through go-gurt.

And now this is how you repay me.

The doctor is like, show me on this Pop-Tart where Gogurt hurt you.

He's like,

got the go-gurt.

That's why he was such a good football player because he just like envisioned all the other opponents as sticks of go-gurt.

He's like,

wow.

This teddy bear is go-gurt.

Tell it how you feel.

Tell it how you feel.

So it's breakfast for the kids.

And Angel has a lot of orchids, a lot of orchids.

And I feel like that that's a rich person thing to be like, look at me with all my flowers that die every five minutes.

I can just get more.

I can just get more.

This is a orchid family we've got as many ogres many oak orchids as we want

we went from go-gurt to orchids and we're never looking back like no angel we'd like a better tagline from you but she's holding up there's a orchid flower that's um on the table like at like the bud that the whole flower fell off and that's how they do they the whole i know and she's like and then you're left with a fucking stem and some bark thinking will this never come back that's what's happening to me right now every day i'm like it's a coming back are you coming back People have been writing me letters saying it will come back.

It will come back.

Keep it going.

So I keep doing the watering thing.

I keep going through the motions.

Still not back.

Yeah.

Fucking orchids.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I agree.

And that's how I actually think

that I call them dorkids.

You're a dorkid.

Is what you're a dorchid.

Maybe it went from being an orchid to an orc adult.

It said, I'm leaving this stem, going off to better pastures.

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Anyway, this is actually why I think that they don't normally have orchids because I think anyone who ever has had an orchid or has had a friend who's had an orchid, because anyone who has a friend who has an orchid will always have, will have the rant that you just had, which is like, I'm so mad my orchid died.

Like, like, I've been on the receiving end of that for so many times.

And I'm always very sympathetic.

I'm not sick of it.

It's actually a rant I really enjoy.

But you can tell she's never had an orchid before because she's like shocked.

She's like, like, what happened to this flower?

I'm like, it's an orchid, bitch.

That's what happened to orchids.

They're loser flowers.

And you know, when this guy gave me this orchid

at our little Krappens thing, someone brought it to me.

And at first I was like, that is so sweet.

Those are such gorgeous flowers.

But then I thought, this person wants me to fail.

You know what I mean?

And you know who it was?

It was my mortgage guy.

It was my mortgage guy who gave it to me.

Well, it's a straight guy.

He's like, here's a flower.

What can you expect?

Well, his girlfriend got it.

But I was like, these people want me to fail.

You know what I mean?

They don't want me to have a good refi rate.

They ultimately want me to.

They're getting me a failure plant because everybody with an orchid knows those plants make you feel like a fucking failure.

Everybody knows it.

And I was like, they don't like me.

They truly don't like me.

So anyway,

I mean, on top of that, like, so their whole thing, I feel like with orchids is that they

look like, I think like giant bee vaginas, right?

Isn't that why the bees love going to them?

Cause they crawl up in there because they're like, oh, yeah.

I don't know I've never looked at a bee vagina up close.

How am I supposed to know?

I just seem to remember when I was a kid in like science class that the bees loved going to like the orchids mimic something sexual for the bees, I think.

So the bees get all up in there.

So I'm like, okay, so you're first of all, you're

telling me the orchid died because I stuck my penis in it.

That is actually, I need to actually

look that up.

I probably should,

well, I probably look into this more, but I seem to remember that there was some, so, okay, Natural History Museum has a headline right here, right here.

The Natural History Museum of the UK headline, sneaky orchids manipulate beads for pollination.

I mean, it's all right there in the headline.

Am I right?

Sneaky orchid.

Sneaky orchid.

Sneaky orchid.

Okay, so we're talking about orchids so much because it's an angel scene and there's not much else to talk about.

So

she talks about her mother mother passing, but giving her a lot of wisdom.

And then they talk about her mom for a while.

And now they're talking about,

let's see, a package.

And now there's talking about their kids and her mom's protecting her through stuff.

Okay, so now they're talking about the girl.

He's crying in the corner because he's thinking about Gogurt.

Yeah, I can continue.

Gogurt is in a corner just laughing maniacally.

It's like, got another one.

Got another one.

Gogurt's actually an orchid.

It's like an an orchid growing up.

I'll get you both.

I'll take this entire couple down.

The orchids from like needful things.

It's like, oh, here's a little trinket from your childhood to destroy you.

So they start talking about the little party they had at their house.

And Angel's like, Giselle walked in here and she basically related that Kay said she chin-checked me when I went to her talks and caviar event.

So then we see a flashback to that.

And she's like, and then I woke up upset because number one, that didn't happen.

And number two, why would she use that type of language?

Chin-checked?

How could she?

I'm an outdoor expert.

I'm a luxury outdoor expert.

I have orchids that I'm very comfortable and know how to care for.

I have those here.

What?

Chin-check.

I think last week we were talking about chin-checking and I thought chin-checking meant that you just like jut your chin out.

Like you'd be like, hey, quiet.

But what I learned this week is that chin checking is is like an actual um

little uh little fist on the chin it's like a little punch on the chin i didn't realize it was quite literally punching you in the chin i still like the urban dictionaries one better of like you know that your girlfriend's cheating because she's got the outline of someone's balls on her face yeah that's a great one i can't stop thinking of that every time they say it i start laughing So now she's decided that she didn't like this chin check thing even more.

She woke up.

Now that she's, she's a true, I think she's doing a good job as a housewife because she's forgiving something and then waking up and getting upset all over again and then deciding to make it another episode.

And you know what?

That's what you're supposed to do.

So welcome to work.

So he's like, yeah, chin check is like boom to the chin, like it's a punch to the chin.

She goes, yeah, that's actually physical.

And he goes, yeah, like she checked your chin.

Like she go-gurted your chin.

And Angel's like, yeah, there we go.

And so I need to have a deeper conversation with Kay about

why she had to do that because i have her back no matter what but it is an issue where i feel disrespected for being accused of chin checking somebody the language

and then bobby uh takes something out of the oven with teeny tiny oven mitts uh and he's like look at these the biggest the biggest oven mitts in the world huh everyone but like the sad truth is that they're probably like an extra large oven mitt he's just so big that like they just fit on his like fingertips um so he pulls them out and now we go over to uh lunchtime at Circa.

And Stacey is there with none other than Jassy.

Jassy is back.

I was so happy to see Jassy.

I was surprised.

I was like, oh, here comes Jassy.

I like her because she likes to be all fancied, but you just know that it's going to crumble away.

I was surprised that she wasn't a full-time housewife this season.

Were you a little surprised?

No.

No?

I couldn't pick Jassy out of a lineup.

Like, I wouldn't have remembered her.

I mean, no offense.

She was always nice, but she didn't do much, did she?

All I remember was when she had that party at her house.

She was like, look, it's a mansion.

Look at all these rich, fabulous people.

It's such a fabulous party.

And no, no, no.

And everyone's like, oh, her boyfriend didn't make it into the, into the NFL.

What was that?

Like, didn't he get, didn't he lose his position or something?

Or he was just like benched or something like that.

Yeah.

It didn't go well.

He didn't get drafted or whatever.

I mean, I don't really understand.

He went to the Kansas.

He went?

Well, he was on the, oh, he was on the Chiefs and they won.

Oh, because they had the party because he won the Super Bowl.

But then he was hoping to go.

I don't know.

I don't know what it was.

I thought there was some like minor scandal about Jassy that was going to like power her onto the show.

Didn't we have a baby with somebody while they were

broken up for a week?

See, that's why I loved her because

she was very slippery with the truth in a way that I found was very funny.

But anyway, she's back.

So they're sitting down, they're talking, and Stacey,

they're bonding over the fact that they bonded in Miami because they both went down to Miami for Mia's birthday party.

And then Mia ditched them, as was discussed on the reunion last season.

Darius Harris is an American professional football linebacker for the New England Patriots.

Oh, so there you go.

Just in case anybody...

gets annoyed with me for not knowing what the hell i'm talking about because i admittedly don't i don't know anything about sports so there you go but you see this is what happens when jassie comes back i have to start googling sports shit because i say stupid things and then i have to fix them okay so where were you um i was just saying how they bonded because um they both went down to mia for mia's birthday party went down to miami again

so this is another friendship

because that was a long time ago so she's like wow so good to see you remember how we got so bonded over that mia miami trip yeah me neither i barely remember it too but god is so good to have a girlfriend have i told you that arabella isn't as good of a walker as me

no i have to say i want to start by by apologizing, not for Arabella's performance.

She'll never be as good as me, but I just, I don't think that I've been a very good friend.

And Jassy goes, that's okay.

You know, I'm just happy to be here since I'm not a full-fledged housewife.

Well, I pride myself on friendships and the support that I give and get when I love someone.

And I love you, but I have a lot going on.

And Jassy is like, well, I mean, last time I talked to you on the phone, you know, you were baking schnitzel for your ex-husband.

And she's like, yeah, we're working it out.

Okay,

you know, tell me about your wedding plans.

Do you have a dress?

Should I say dresses?

She's like, you should definitely say dresses.

I've got a lot of dresses.

Okay, well, let's pretend I care about your wedding before we start talking about other people.

Okay, so listen, everybody's really mean to me in the group now.

Now, Kay sent an invitation to the group that she was having a pre-party before preakness, but Wendy also mentioned that this was was something she was involved in so at this point i'm putting on a dress and what's it called what's it called a fascinator a fascinator

and we see uh kiarano's text that's like you know hey i was invited to black eyed susan day at preakness and i'd love for you to come by i'm having a pre-game at my apartment so come dress for the derby and don't forget your dollars for betting but then wendy's text comes through that says Hi, lady, I'd love for you to join me at Black Eyed Susan Day at Preakness.

The First Lady of Maryland, Dawn Moore, Moore, my friend, invited me for the day.

And I'd love for you to come enjoy the event in your best derbywear.

Yeah.

So Stacey's like, wow, I just can't tell you how hard it is for me.

Every time I've gotten together with the ladies, they gang up on me.

And Ashley and Giselle demanded that I present my divorce papers.

By the way, did you read that she does have divorce papers?

She is legit divorced.

Yes.

Oh, wow.

That's what was reported this week by TMZ, which is basically the real news.

Wow.

So Stacey's saying, they're just not happy for me.

Jassy then,

you know, says that her grandparents got divorced.

And then they continued to basically have, they were divorced for six months and then they continued a 60-year marriage.

So, you know, it's not crazy.

Things like this happen.

And then Stacey's like, and didn't Giselle get together with her husband?

And there's that too.

Speaking of Giselle, word on the street, that's her famous line.

I'm using it now.

Word on the street.

I don't know if you're aware, but Giselle has a new man.

Word on the street is that Giselle is the word on the street.

And she's got a man.

So we see a blurred-out picture, a paparazzi photo of Giselle with some guy.

And his name is like on the headline, which is funny.

I didn't write it down, but they show, they're like, Giselle is caught with so and so.

Sean Springs.

His name is Sean Springs.

Sean Springs.

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to stop the show.

I'm looking at him.

He's saying, That's his name, Sean Springs.

And

so Stacey's like, do you think Darius knows him?

She goes, probably.

So while she's worried about my man, we need to find out about her man.

So I don't care.

Is he cheating on somebody?

Like, why is it bad if she's dating somebody?

Because she's not sharing it.

Yeah, I was about to say, isn't Giselle allowed to date someone?

Maybe it's that she's, maybe that she's not divulging it to the group.

I don't know if she is, if she has to divulge it to the group.

I think the issue is that that Stacey,

it seems like there are untruths surrounding her marital status and her relationship with Timo and like whether or not they were together all the time, like everything with TJ, was he paid for?

Was he not paid for?

Was it real?

Was it not real?

Like there's no issues surrounding whether or not Giselle is dating a football player.

It's like dating him.

Yeah, who cares?

Who cares?

Yeah, so he is

an American football, former professional football player.

He was a comeback in the National Football League for 13 seasons, which that's good because Giselle's good on this show, but she's not great with comebacks.

So maybe he can help her.

He played college ball for the Buckeyes,

earned All-American honors, and he was selected by the Seahawks third overall in the 1997 NFL draft.

Well, well, look at that.

He was a cornerback.

Yeah.

So a cornerback.

I thought it said comeback.

God, I'm so blind.

It's a comeback.

I'm really losing it.

Maybe it's time to get some glasses.

You may have had a comeback moment.

I really don't know about sports.

I was like, what's a comeback?

I love that.

I love that they have that in football.

Maybe I'm interested in this sport.

It's just like Valerie Cherrish playing football.

If you want to tackle me, I will wither you with a comeback.

Writing acidic comeback.

Hey, do you, you don't even want to hear what I have to say about orchids.

So Stacey shows this to Jassy and Jassy is like, wow, how'd you pull this tea?

This is unlike you, Stacey.

I'm like, I'm sure she just Googled, is Giselle Bryant dating anyone?

And this popped up.

It's a news story.

Yeah, it's literally a news story.

It's not hidden information.

You know, I know people around the neighborhood.

It's like, it's Google.

That's Google.

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