#2758 SOUTHERN HOSPITALITY S03E11: The Long Arm of the Law Prom

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Ronnie, what did you think about this season finale? The season finale.

Speaker 1 Southern Hunts.

Speaker 1 What a bunch of messy, messy, messy people.

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I thought it was great. And I also love a good 10-episode season.
I don't think they had more to sustain them for more than 10 episodes, and I'm glad. It was a nice,

Speaker 1 I love a 10-episode season.

Speaker 3 Yeah,

Speaker 3 it was this tight, strong season. Every episode was great.
Every episode was hilarious.

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Speaker 3 It's a great show, and they are really bringing it, and they did great work with with it and it also had some really beautiful moments too which was amazing so let's dive into it um guilty until proven innocent is the name of the episode and um it's prom it's law prom they're doing a law prom but they're making it a prom prom

Speaker 3 so uh the lead up to the well basically what we we they're kind of i i think the vibe that they're going for is carry or something because we keep seeing things that are like

Speaker 3 one week before prom but it's like not fun and happy. It's like scary looking.
I'm like,

Speaker 3 are the producers trying to make this seem like there's going to be a bloodbath? I couldn't quite tell.

Speaker 1 But Emmy's playing the role of both Carrie and Carrie's mother at the same time. She's just like, okay,

Speaker 1 I'm going to need people for flowers. I'm going to need people for a cake.
I'm going to need people for decorations. I got my list done.
It's going to be the best law prom ever. Nothing can go wrong.

Speaker 1 And then it's like,

Speaker 3 three days before prom. And so we're at a menswear store and Joe and TJ are trying on suits.
Like, host looks god. He's like, I think that Mia is wearing a leopard dress.
He's like, oh, really?

Speaker 3 Do you have any leper toxes? That's like so funny, Joe. Are you in love with me? It's thin.

Speaker 1 He asked for a leopard suit.

Speaker 3 He's like, really gay. Like, don't even bother to give him a blowjob.
That's reserved for the boys.

Speaker 1 Lake and Molly are trying on dresses at another store and they whoosh open the curtains at the same time and they're in the same dress and like's like you copied me who wore a best am i right

Speaker 1 so they keep trying on dresses they're it's like wacky they're trying on like wacky prom dresses and stuff

Speaker 1 scary music and then um two days before prom and michaels house and preston is over with michaels and um michaels is like oh wait i have a a surprise for you. Look, there's three cakes.
It says, prom,

Speaker 1 yes, no. Are you going to go to prom with me?

Speaker 1 He,

Speaker 3 that's a lot of cake to ask a simple question.

Speaker 1 Especially for those two. Those two don't eat cake.
I'm not buying.

Speaker 1 Well, you go to prom with me.

Speaker 3 I had a moment, but this, okay, you're going to have to just like.

Speaker 3 Trust me on this. I was looking at Michaels and I was like, who does his face remind me of? His face reminds me of someone.

Speaker 3 And then I realized when Michaels is being very serious, which is often, he's very serious, I was like, who, what, what face does he have when he's being serious?

Speaker 3 I was like, oh my God, it's Dorothy Zbornak. He has, he has resting B.
Arthur face. And I think like that's the greatest honor you could possibly ever bestow a gay man, I think.

Speaker 1 Like when B. Arthur gets,

Speaker 1 you know, someone says something stupid and then she just stares right into the camera.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's exactly it.

Speaker 3 You'll see it. Next time you watch it, you'll see it.

Speaker 1 So he's like, I was straight in high school and I took a girl I was dating to prom. And then she spent the night at my house and my mom like found out.

Speaker 1 And then I came back to my bedroom and there was like a box of condoms on there. Like, thanks.

Speaker 1 I love people like his mom, you know, who are like, oh my God, being gay is a sin. But fucking a girl before marriage, here's some condoms.
Do it in our house. That's great.
Love that.

Speaker 1 Michael's mom.

Speaker 3 Like, what do you want at this point?

Speaker 1 Hey, Michael's mom. If anybody knows Michael's mom,

Speaker 1 carry a message to this woman for me fuck off lady all right get it together okay lady hypocritical asshole

Speaker 1 get it together um

Speaker 3 so um

Speaker 3 like presson's trying to guess because he's blindfolded he's trying to guess what's actually in front of him he's like well um it sounds like you opened up your fridge and pulled out a diet pepsi and he's like no it's not diet pepsi he's like okay it's broccoli okay you pulled out broccoli i know it's broccoli no it's not broccoli either.

Speaker 3 Okay, is it just a tire? Did you bring in a tire from outside? Oh my god, Preston, you're so bad at this.

Speaker 1 No, it's three cakes. And Preston's like, I wish you had spelled this out of broccoli because that would have been our dessert.
Like, why would you do this?

Speaker 3 And so then he, like, Michael smushes the cake into Preston's face and it's really cute and happy and it's romantic. And it's like,

Speaker 3 one day before prom.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And now the music becomes a beep.

Speaker 1 And Maddie's sitting on her balcony and Joe Bradley shows up in a vintage Corvette. And he's, you know, got the boom box and he lifts up the boom box and starts playing the music.

Speaker 1 And he's got, then he switches into like Love Actually, which was actually kind of creepy. Which is fitting, I guess, for this.

Speaker 1 This scene was kind of creepy where the best friend shows up and just writes stuff on cards and shows the girl. Yeah.

Speaker 3 But he like had like a a lot. Well, first of all, he wrote his on paper instead of like posters.
So everything was flopping around. And he had like so many pieces of paper.

Speaker 3 He's like, hey, I was wondering, drop the paper. If maybe you'd be interested in, drop the paper.
Like maybe there's going to be this prom, drop the paper. So like, here's the thing.

Speaker 3 I really like want to go to prom, drop the paper. It's like, Joe, hurry up.
Go to the last piece of paper. This is taking too long.

Speaker 1 Money can't buy you class. I don't regret fucking you in that hotel.
I'm sorry. Sorry.
Sorry. That was a different one.
It was a different one.

Speaker 1 it was a different one but yeah he really makes it long he makes a whole monologue on like 20 pages of paper he's like i'm pretty much like littering your neighborhood right now

Speaker 3 joe why did you write down nana's chicken farm recipe oh i just thought maybe you get hungry in the middle of this

Speaker 1 uh so it's basically will you go to the problem with me and she's like oh my god that's amazing is like the most romantic thing that anybody has ever done for me that's crazy man he's like yeah i've been in love with Maddie for like years and that feels like a really long time to me but you know I wanted to move in with her but she's not ready so you know like I need to always listen to my mom to stop putting Maddie away

Speaker 3 flashbacks the day before her mom is like his mom is like yeah um honey you have to stop being so aggressive with Maddie okay just give her some space and for the last time

Speaker 3 when I give you nanny's chicken parm recipe write it down I'm sick of having to answer answer this phone call every week

Speaker 1 so then um out back at to outside she's like oh my god are you still doing signs joe it's like i am he really is is that just a drawing of the eggplant emoji i ran out of things but i wanted to keep it romantic so

Speaker 3 So he's like, by the way, wait, I've got one more. It says, we can call it a prom-com lol.

Speaker 3 Yes, yes, a prom-com. I'll go to prom with you, Joe.
Absolutely. By the way, so it's like, I don't know if I just want to clarify, you get that like

Speaker 3 prom-com is like a play on rom-com. Yes, Joe, come on.

Speaker 1 Because I was really trying to do like multiple rom-coms right now, not just one, but like there were like multiple ones. She's like, I got it, Joe.
I got it. Should I write them down for you?

Speaker 1 I still have some paper left. No, Joe.
Let's just take a ride in the car.

Speaker 3 This is the most romantic thing that anyone has ever done for me. It's like such a relief that he understands how important it is to take my time in this relationship that I don't want to be in.

Speaker 3 And I do want the same things he wants, except I want them with a different person at a different time in my life. And that's all.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So now they speed off and they're like so happy.
So then we go to my favorite place, the Republic Back Room, and everyone's getting ready for their shift. And guess who I don't see?

Speaker 1 Cloris Leachman. Hello.
It's a season finale. Where's Siobhan? Where's Cloris Leachman?

Speaker 3 I know. We did see Cloris Leachman at the very, very end.
Did you catch her?

Speaker 1 Mm-mm.

Speaker 3 She was wearing a bright green dress. So like she stood out in the group and she was like clapping and was like really happy at the during the prom king and prom queen moment.

Speaker 3 She was like, Oh, yeah, that's good. I remember.
I remember when Frankie Avalon was prom king. That was the time.
That was good. We banged in his car back outside.

Speaker 1 He's like, I haven't been this set since Tuti's taught Natalie how to roller skate.

Speaker 3 So, um,

Speaker 1 girl, this is a candy shop.

Speaker 3 So Joe is like, hey, Mavi, are you going to cover my pimples off? He's like, yeah, come here, Joe. Joe.

Speaker 3 So they go and he like, he like covers, she does his makeup. And Michael's is like, hey, did you guys take this sheet to make copies? Wait, what are you guys doing?

Speaker 1 Like, what's going on? Like, what's happening back here?

Speaker 3 And he's like, nothing. We're just like pre-booking.
And that's it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He's like, whatever, guys.

Speaker 1 So people are working on the VIP sign and Maddie's excited for prom. And then he's like, I wanted to be pretty.
I wanted to be colorful. I wanted to be a prom, you know, but like a lot of prom.

Speaker 3 Except I'll be there.

Speaker 1 It's going to be so romantic. Everything's going to go great.
Am I right?

Speaker 1 And she's like, this summer's been awful. Like, I finally got rid of this fake cheating rumor and like proving Will innocent.
And like, I expect everyone to got all of their bad behavior out.

Speaker 1 Like, it's just going to be totally fine. Only with sushi.
It's going to be the perfect sushi night.

Speaker 1 Did she?

Speaker 3 Wait, when she says, I finally have gotten rid of this fake cheating rumor.

Speaker 1 Did she?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 When did she get rid of it? You absolutely did not.

Speaker 3 You did not get rid of a rumor you just cried about it i think maybe she thought like the explanation that will was being bullied at law school is like the thing that like like deaded the rumor but um i don't think anyone believed that yeah no so you proved nothing ma'am

Speaker 3 so now like it's like okay yay like it's republic people are in republic fun time fun times and tj is like hey brad Something just clicked in my head.

Speaker 3 Emmy is planning this prom because she didn't get to go with Will because she was skiing, right? Is that the same weekend that this cheating supposedly happened? And Brad's like, I don't know.

Speaker 3 Like, that was the night that whatever went down with Will's cheating supposedly went down. I'm concerned.

Speaker 1 I'm very, very concerned. Oh,

Speaker 1 I'm sure Brad's very concerned. So Brad's like, yeah, when we were in Vegas, Will told us he was apparently getting bullied by Austin's girlfriend's brother.
But we come to find out he's lying.

Speaker 1 And if you didn't do anything wrong, then why are you lying? You know, because Emmy's like a little sister to me, guys. So, you know, Emmy has every right to know.
Every right to know.

Speaker 1 So Brad's like, yeah, you know, I have friends at Will's Law School, so I'm going to keep doing some digging. And TJ's like,

Speaker 1 if you need help.

Speaker 3 How do they, what law school is this again? How does everyone know so many people in this law school?

Speaker 3 It's like this nebulous place, this distant law school that I'm not even sure is even in South Carolina, but they all seem to know people there.

Speaker 3 And there's people from this law school here in Charleston.

Speaker 3 it's like this weird concept that's lingering around this show so tj's like if this humor is nothing then it's nothing but i will find out the truth

Speaker 1 like okay tj yeah i will find out

Speaker 1 so now 20 south battery the prom venue

Speaker 1 five hours until prom so will and emmy are there and they're starting to get ready and stuff and will's like yeah i was never really a big prom guy guy, but, you know, I just want Emily to be happy and smile a lot.

Speaker 3 What does Will like? He doesn't like hot dogs. He doesn't like proms.
Does he have joy in his life anymore? He hates every single thing. Everything is a complaint from him.

Speaker 3 It's hard to believe this is the same guy who we saw the past two seasons who was like partying and like the bartender and like always up for good times. And now he's like, I hate proms.

Speaker 3 I hate hot dogs. I hate standing up.
You know, yeah.

Speaker 1 That's our boy. He's a miserable, miserable man.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he has no joy.

Speaker 3 So will's like i'm gonna change out of my work tie and into a dress tie i've been working because it's really hard like i haven't even eaten today it's like so hard i have a job lawyer my work tie has a little highlighter attached to it but my my my dance tie new highlighter

Speaker 1 So then Molly is fixing her, fixing Lake's eyeshadow and stuff. And they're like, oh my God, Slay, we're going to prom.

Speaker 1 So Molly's like, yeah, out of eight proms I've been to, my favorite memory was my junior year my date bought me nike shoes when he asked me and said just do it go to prom with me

Speaker 3 again i i think there's value in just going up to someone say do you want to go to prom so then um

Speaker 3 uh now lake is uh saying i just like to shake ass and eat good food and mom's like that was poetry So now we go to Maddie's house and Maddie, Joe, and

Speaker 3 it's Maddie, Joe, and Maddie's housemates, Fran and Eva, which I forgot about Fran. I think we met Fran last season.
I just love that there's someone named Fran on this show.

Speaker 3 So Eva, in case you guys don't remember, Eva

Speaker 3 was dating O'Sheen until that whole Grace Lily situation happened.

Speaker 1 Well, they had a situationship, which means they weren't dating. They were boning.
And then Grace Lily boned him at the same time.

Speaker 3 I still am shocked that an OnlyFans model cheated on the person he was in a situationship with. It's just

Speaker 1 the milkman? Cheated? And how does he have so many people willing to have sex with him when he's always covered in milk smell? You know, I know.

Speaker 1 Seriously. So Maddie's like, well, Joe joked this morning that Grace Lily was going to be getting ready with us here.
Isn't that hilarious?

Speaker 1 But, you know, I'd like to see you and Grace have a conversation, Eva. And she's like, well, she wants to talk about it to everybody but me.
So.

Speaker 3 Yeah, but she says she's going to. And she's like, well, she lies, though.

Speaker 1 She's a liar, though.

Speaker 3 I wish I had friends who every time I fucked up were like, no, it's, it's okay. And Eva's like, yeah, same.
I mean, me.

Speaker 1 You all do. You're on this show and you're still friends.

Speaker 1 So then TJ, Brad, and Mia are getting ready together. And Brad's like, wow, it turns out one of our VIP server knows what's going on.

Speaker 1 Just a few hours ago, just coincidentally, one of our servers, Ella, who is mic'd up and ready for camera time told me there's this girl on the law school campus that will sent Will is seen with all the time and everyone there believes it's Will's girlfriend notice how Brad has all these girls just willing to come on camera when he needs a type of advice fucking shady Brad

Speaker 3 So TJ is like, when we were in New York, I disregarded it at the time because there was like just so much going on with that skank, Louie and Dela Sap sleeping with my best friend.

Speaker 3 But he told me, Will told me that there's a girl that he might have have gotten the wrong, that might have gotten the wrong impression and she might like him.

Speaker 3 And Brad's like, so I'm trying to figure out who is this girl, right? And I got a text from a friend saying, apparently she moved in with him short term.

Speaker 1 And Mia's like, what?

Speaker 3 It's like, yeah, they were full-on living together.

Speaker 1 And Mia's like, well, if Troy had a female friend crashing with him, oh, wow, we would only be thinking of him now in memory. Okay.
In memory. Fuck this.
This is ridiculous.

Speaker 1 I mean, I mean, maybe give Will the benefit of the doubt and say, like, what was going through your head when you would allow a woman to stay in your apartment? So they're ready.

Speaker 1 And TJ's like, I'm worried about Emmy, which is why I'm going to give her another, another nervous breakdown on TV. Brad's like, yeah.

Speaker 1 Just like your man blindly. Just find out what everything said was true.

Speaker 3 So, and I was like, done, done, done, done, done, prom night.

Speaker 3 So we're here at the 20th South Battery. Now, a lot of these Charleston homes look the same and these venues look the same, but I feel like we've had so many scenes on Southern Charm at this place.

Speaker 3 How many fights have happened with those wrought iron gates and those stone pillars? I don't know. Is that just because all the houses have those elements?

Speaker 3 But like, it's not a season finale on one of these shows unless there's gates and pillars.

Speaker 1 That's like the backdrop. That's the mansion with antiques that nobody can sit on.

Speaker 1 So Will and Emmy are just walking around the mansion, you know, pretending to be classy. And then Will's like, yeah, I bet everybody else is like pregaming already, right?

Speaker 1 And then we cut to the bus where they're like, yeah, I like tricking.

Speaker 1 And then back to Will and Emmy being boring. It's just like classical music playing.
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Speaker 1 And Will's like, um, I need to work on my laptop right now because I'm a lawyer. So.

Speaker 3 Yeah, and Emi's just like, yeah, yeah, okay, cool. So Will and Emi go, they eventually go to the ballroom and Will's like, this is like way cooler than my prom.

Speaker 3 I mean, I don't even like my prom and I don't like this either. I'm bored.
Can I go? So Emmy's like, look, this is going to be like amazing. Look, like we can dance.

Speaker 3 It can can be like beauty and the beast. So Will's like, okay, cool.
So then outside, everyone like comes out of the party bus and they're all drunk and they're all having fun. Like, woo!

Speaker 1 Maddie's like, I feel like I'm walking into a wedding night right now.

Speaker 3 Joe. And Joe's like, oh, but we're already married.
Remember? Remember?

Speaker 1 Remember. So it's just wedding stuff.
Everyone's like, party, taking selfies, going to the bar. Oh my God.

Speaker 1 And so Michael's and his boyfriend Preston have a conversation. He's like, the other day, you referenced the fact that we're exclusive.
So I just want to kind of see where your head's at with that.

Speaker 1 Cause, yeah, I was laying in bed with Preston and he mentioned that he deleted all of his dating apps, hinting at the fact that he's only getting blowjobs in public parks now without seeing anybody online first.

Speaker 1 That's like huge.

Speaker 3 It was like a very big pinch-me kind of moment. So Preston's like, yeah, I'm definitely all yours and I'd like you to be all mine.
But I'm also aware that there's an age gap.

Speaker 3 And it says that like Preston's 26 and Michael's at 22.

Speaker 1 And Preston's like, Preston is not 26. I'm sorry.
That is not a 26-year-old face. And I'm not even age-shaming because I'm still like almost double his age, even if that is his real age.

Speaker 1 But no, there's not enough sun damage in the world to do that to a 26-year-old. Did you grow up in a microwave? No, sir.

Speaker 3 Listen, good for Preston. He's like, this is the hottest guy I've ever dated.
I'm going to lock him down.

Speaker 3 So Michaels is like, you know, I just want, for me, I want you to know that these are things that like I don't want you to have to worry about because like all those experiences, I want to have them with you.

Speaker 3 In fact, I got six cakes that say, will you be my boyfriend, please? So enjoy.

Speaker 1 So then everyone's on the dance floor, like partying. And

Speaker 1 Will and Emmy are just sitting alone, looking like bored. And Will's like, I'm exhausted, dude.
I'm a lawyer.

Speaker 3 So then Austin shows up alone. He looks sad.
He puts a corsage to the side because he's alone. And he's like, well,

Speaker 3 Hallie isn't coming. and michael's like wait hold on let's talk over here okay do you want to present this to me in cake form he's like no no no

Speaker 3 well will's been on the phone today he straight up called allie's brother this morning and he convinced he and he's convinced that's where i heard the rumors that i've brought up in vegas but no i heard the rumors from allie's schmother

Speaker 3 not her brother i'm like we know you heard it from the brother because the producers asked you earlier in the season are you trying to cover up to protect allie and he was like Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, he heard it from Allie and Allie heard it from the brother, I guess. So he's like, Allie is like absolutely devastated.

Speaker 1 Her brother didn't even know we're seeing each other again because, like, I mean, Will might have just ruined my relationship because he's in a secret relationship because the family hates him because he's a lying damn cheater.

Speaker 1 That's why. Yeah.
So Will just basically added him.

Speaker 3 It's just so it's so glossed over that like he and Allie clearly had some horrific breakup a year ago where he lied and said vicious, terrible things.

Speaker 1 And so no one like i just love that's just like a side thing i'm like are we not noticing like austin has some darkness swirling around him yeah and um he's like it's all will's fault that she's not coming oh okay so he's like uh michaels is like kudos to will for going to the source because i would do the same but like you know why would why wait till prom to have this conversation i mean the timing's weird as fuck it's like weirdest it is true It is, it is true.

Speaker 3 Like, why the night before do you wait to like do this?

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 now brad goes up to austin and michaels and brad's like so allie is not coming and austin's like no remember how at run club the other day we thought will was convinced that the bullying and the rumors were from allie's brother well he literally intimidated her into not coming they're like whoa

Speaker 1 So now everybody else is dancing. You know, we see party shots and stuff like that.
And then we hear, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. And it's Grace Lily coming up with a bunch of guys.

Speaker 1 And one of them is O'Sheen.

Speaker 1 So she comes in and everyone's like, oh my God, Grace Lily's here with O'Sheen.

Speaker 3 And then Eva sees it and she's like,

Speaker 3 and Maddie's like, oh my God, I think Grace Lily is here. And so then...
Everyone's just like shocked, you know, because this is such a messy, messy turn.

Speaker 3 So Mia's like, somebody let O'Sheen and Grace Lily in this motherfucking party. Golly, ga, motherfucking Lee.

Speaker 1 So Grace Lily's like, well, O'Sheen and I have been friends forever. So whether or not you like him, like, we know how to have a good time.
That's what we do.

Speaker 3 He's like, oh, yeah, the milk is thicker than ever, brother.

Speaker 3 So Austin's like,

Speaker 1 somebody goes, oh my God, why?

Speaker 3 I ride for Grace, but she makes me look so stupid when she does shit like this.

Speaker 3 And then Molly is like, the audacity to show up with O'Sheen shows that Grace gives zero fucks about her friendship with Eva who I suddenly care a lot about because I just met her and it also kind of shows that she doesn't respect or give a shit about Maddie and Maddie's like you are so fucking messy Ocean like I count with you and he's like ah my darling sis that's you knew I you knew what you were getting into when you became friends with me babe you knew what you were getting into

Speaker 3 So, meanwhile, everyone out is on the porch and Mia goes up to Emi and Will and is like, you guys look like you're having the worst time ever.

Speaker 3 And because like they're just sitting there to the side looking sad, which is also kind of like fucked up because Emi planned this whole party and this party was for Will and Will is being such like a downer this entire time.

Speaker 3 So Emi's the sort of girlfriend where she's like, well, if he's being a downer, I have to be a downer too. So they're just sitting there miserable at their own party.

Speaker 1 I'm a lawyer's wife and Emmy does that thing. Well, I thought Emmy was going to be like, well, everyone's like, no one's apologized to us.
Like, and it's so awkward with everybody.

Speaker 1 But she goes, yeah, because my dad told me it was going to be catered with sushi, but it wasn't. And now I have to eat crab cake.

Speaker 1 And Will goes, yeah, I don't like crab cake. Laura's don't eat that.

Speaker 3 She probably loves crab cakes, but Will doesn't like crab cakes, of course. So then she has to not like crab cakes.

Speaker 1 So ridiculous. So then Brad and Austin are talking about Will, you know, Austin's tattletaling to Brad about it.

Speaker 1 And then TJ goes right up to Maddie and Molly and he's like, um, I just want you to know that I had it confirmed that Will cheated with a girl from law school and orchestrated the affair to take place specifically while Emmy was on a ski trip.

Speaker 1 Right. And I mean, the timing has to be with Will being able to take this girl to real law prom and he allegedly had the girl move in with him for a few weeks while Emmy was away.
That's right.

Speaker 1 Hold on. Let my eyes drift left to right really quick.

Speaker 3 I literally cannot take TJ seriously in this entire scene because he is dressed like Jude Law in AI. Like, he literally looks like that, like, Jiggolo robot.

Speaker 3 His face is is like buffed and polished and his hair looks like it's like, it looks like it's like just plastic. And he has the same kind of disco shirt on.

Speaker 3 And I'm like, I cannot, I just can't stop thinking about Jude Law.

Speaker 1 And Matty's like, no, not law prom. And he's like, yeah, law prom.
Did you hear me? And then he's shit talking Emmy around town.

Speaker 1 And that was just to get Emmy to catch wind of his drunken behavior and ultimately break up with him so he wouldn't have to break up with her. Got it? Does everybody understand?

Speaker 1 Because he allegedly felt guilty about cheating. So he tried to self-sabotage the relationship.
Case dismiss. Mm-mm.
Hot dog. Hot dog.
Am I right?

Speaker 3 The producer's like, yeah, this is all well and good, but Emmy has made it clear that she wants people to leave her and her relationship alone. So why are you getting yourself involved?

Speaker 3 I mean, thank you, but why? And she's like, well, it's like one of those things

Speaker 3 where like, if it's like in a long-term situation,

Speaker 3 see, the thing is,

Speaker 3 I mean, when you put a hot dog in a bun,

Speaker 3 well, I guess I want someone to do the same for me. I want someone to do the same for me.
I like that one. We'll go with that one.

Speaker 1 I want someone to do that.

Speaker 1 They're just like, you're just fucking messy, dude.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Hot dogs. So then Maddie's like, I mean, the fucked up thing is, like, now we're here for this imitation law prom, air quotes.

Speaker 1 And here is Emmy overcompensating for her own version, which he took another girl to his own law prom. And I heard at that law prom, they ate sushi.

Speaker 3 The sushi was delivered.

Speaker 3 I mean, I love this show that they're doing a fake law prom. And there's nothing legal about it.
Like, it's just like a prom, but it's also a law prom

Speaker 3 to compensate for the fact that Will went to law prom with someone else and Emmy didn't get to go to that law. I mean, it like literally makes no sense, but they're like just all going with it.

Speaker 3 So now we have O'Sheen.

Speaker 3 Everyone's dancing and Grace Lily's like,

Speaker 3 and then Will sat on the porch eating, eating a crab cake and being miserable about it. And then Molly sits down next to O'Sheen on the couch.

Speaker 3 And then Grace Lily comes over and she's like, hey, you look great by the way. And Molly's like, I know.
Grace Lily's like, huh? You're supposed to say thanks, doll.

Speaker 1 And Molly's just looking at her. She's like, I'm on TV and this is how we look at each other on TV.

Speaker 1 And so Grace Lily's like,

Speaker 1 can I talk to you private? Come on over here private, like, okay.

Speaker 1 I literally just complimented you, honey. I was literally being sincere and you just said, I know.
And Molly's like, and

Speaker 1 this is how you flick your hair on TV.

Speaker 3 Molly is like, you know what? I feel like Molly is getting kind of overshadowed this season because Molly has, Molly's come out guns blazing and she's doing, she's hitting all her beats just right.

Speaker 3 And I just want to give a little appreciation for Molly. I think she's been a wonderful addition.
So Grace is like, that was condescending and rude.

Speaker 3 And honestly, you should work on your character because I know Jesus and Bob Marley personally and you don't want to get the wrong side of us three

Speaker 1 and molly's like you are such a psychopath so then ocean is just looks like oh yeah he's like every time i arrive there's a problem eh yeah damned it so then um

Speaker 1 grace lily is still sitting there with molly and molly's still giving her the soap opera dirty look so grace lily just starts like

Speaker 1 gening her hands. I don't even know what you call it, but she starts like doing this like weird hand dance in front of her.
She's like, yeah.

Speaker 1 And there's like sparkle, but they put on sparkles yeah they have sparkles like yeah and molly's like what is that what the fuck is that she goes i'm trying to get your energy away from me because that shit is toxic

Speaker 3 the show is so great

Speaker 3 Like I dare people to watch the show and not crack up.

Speaker 3 So now Lake and O'Sheen are on sitting on one end of the sofa and Joe and Maddie are kissing on another end and lots of stuff is just going on all over the party.

Speaker 3 and O'Sheen is like being very flirtatious with Lake. He's like, so what's in that box of tricks you got in there? Do you want to see my box of tricks? Do you like dairy?

Speaker 3 And she's like, nothing fancy. He's like, oh, I like that purse though.
Thanks.

Speaker 1 Ha!

Speaker 3 And she's like, God, I really like that accent. I love that.
I love he has like a Jon Snow accent.

Speaker 3 And she says, like, she's basically like, if he had Austin, if Austin had O'Sheen's accent and Joe's hair, that would be like the hottest guy ever.

Speaker 3 Awesome. Well, yeah, if you took any all those things from all sorts of different guys, you could make the hottest guy ever.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So then

Speaker 1 Grace is like, well, I'll literally, she's still with Molly. She's like, I'll literally told Eva that night that there was a possibility I'd be fucking O'Sheen.

Speaker 1 And she's like, oh my God, Maddie, come here. She's doubling down.
And Maddie's like, Grace, you told me last week of Republic. You knew it was wrong and you wanted a chance to apologize.

Speaker 3 And then in walk Ava and Fran. Hi, I'm Fran.
I'm just here for moral support. What are you guys talking about?

Speaker 1 Is that wacky? So Fran and Eva out there like...

Speaker 3 So Eva is like, well, Grace Lilly never warned me about wanting to hook up with Ocean. Fran can attest to that, can't you, Fran? Yeah, I can attest to it.
Listen, I got this bitch's back.

Speaker 3 I'm Fran, best friend.

Speaker 1 And Ocean's like, girls, girls, please. And it's like, get over him.
He doesn't fucking like you, Eva. And Eva's like, he doesn't like you.
She goes, yeah.

Speaker 1 And Maddie goes, he doesn't like any of you all. He's a whore.

Speaker 3 And Fran's going, liar, liar, liar. I'm like, go get him, Fran.
You do it, Fran. Good for you.

Speaker 1 And Grace slowly goes, yeah. Well, Maddie, you sucked his dick into loom.

Speaker 3 And Joe's like, oh, God, I don't want to hear a lot.

Speaker 1 So Grace dies when she did that. And Maddie's like, oh, no.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're not a friend. Okay, you burned that bridge.

Speaker 1 So now outside of, not a friend michael it michaels is confronting will about all the goss about this girl and now he texted the brother and ruined things for austin and so will's like what i just sent one text and michaels is like um well because of that austin's girlfriend isn't here and he's like why is anyone giving it light like i mean it's like so attenuated

Speaker 3 I don't even want to give it a breath of air. I hate air, by the way.
So then

Speaker 1 attenuated. That doesn't even make sense.
What is he talking talking about he's like this i love this show

Speaker 3 when he says attenuated it cuts to michaels and it goes it's like almost like someone like it's like when a cat gets up on a counter and you squirt it with a wetter gun and the cat's like

Speaker 3 so attenuated hits michael's like i don't even know what that word means they're like do you know what attenuated means he's like i have not heard that word before hey siri what does attenuated mean

Speaker 3 siri's like it is a word that should not be used on southern hospitality thanks that's what i thought

Speaker 1 You're not the only one on this guest who doesn't know this word, including the one who just spoke it. So then we go back to the porch and Austin's like, Will is the one I need to talk to.

Speaker 1 So Mia's like, oh my God, this is like this short, this is like a tiny balcony. Get over here and just talk to him.
So she pulls him over and she's like, okay, you're two grown men.

Speaker 1 You need a mommy to put them together. So listen, tell them what you know.
If you know anything, if you know nothing, say nothing. Now I've connected you.
Go ahead. I'm not leaving.
I'm staying here.

Speaker 1 I'm the audience. Go ahead.

Speaker 3 So then, of course, Emmy is like, okay, I want to be part of this because, you know, Will is like, let's go talk privately. And Emmy's like, I want to be part of this.
I would like to listen.

Speaker 3 They're like, no, just a two-year. She goes, no, I should be able to listen in.
So then Day goes,

Speaker 1 TJ hot dogs.

Speaker 3 Yeah, TJ appears out of nowhere and just like leans in on the railing. Like, just be cool.
Like, just pretend I'm not even here. I'm totally not going to use this gossip against you guys.
Come on.

Speaker 1 The hot dog cart lid pops open and he just pops eyes.

Speaker 3 And then all of a sudden, Brad appears. And then all of a sudden, Joe appears.

Speaker 3 It's like in The Simpsons, whenever there's like a, like a ruckus in the street and all the little characters appear in the background, all the town's like,

Speaker 1 so

Speaker 1 that means like, um, I'm not doing this in front of everybody. This is crazy.
Like, I just had to eat part of the crab cake. You know,

Speaker 3 I'm eating crab cakes now on behalf of Will.

Speaker 3 I had a sympathy crab cake.

Speaker 1 So now they try to leave, but then everybody follows them out and onto the sidewalk. And here we are, the greatest set piece outside of Matchin.

Speaker 3 But also, by the way, I think what's also funny is that they pulled the whole thing. They pulled this whole thing of like, well, we're not going to have this conversation in front of everyone.

Speaker 3 Like, why does it always have to be in a group setting? Like, why is it that if we're going to talk privately, Emmy's like, why does it have to be like this? We're just trying to talk privately.

Speaker 3 It's like, Emmy, you were the first one who barged in on the conversation.

Speaker 3 You're not part of this conversation either.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because she's got to be there to stand up for Will. Because she's Will's woman.
Okay. It's different, Ben.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 So, um, Joe's like, I hope to God it's not true. But like, we wouldn't even know because every time someone brings up the rumors, you sprint away.
And TJ's like, yeah,

Speaker 3 you can't even understand what he's saying. TJ's just so activated, he's just like in the frothing at the mouth.

Speaker 1 He's like, I will yell at somebody. This is a season finale.
You're not taking this away from me. So, Will's like, um, TJ always needs someone to hate.

Speaker 1 Like, it's become clear to me that this tunnel vision of hatred is now attenuated towards me.

Speaker 3 And we see a montage, to be fair, a montage of TJ

Speaker 3 basically scolding people from like we see him, you see him sniping with Joe, Mikhail, Grace Lily, and Will, which I think it's like, it is true. But then again, everyone has yelled at everyone.

Speaker 3 And you could probably make a montage of everyone snapping at everybody.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 TJ is the worst about taking shit that's none of his business and doesn't affect him at all and then screaming at you about it. It's like, he's always been like that.

Speaker 3 Is he the worst or is he the best at doing it?

Speaker 1 It's fun to watch, but he's definitely the worst about it. And he's like, well, we know that, you know, he's like all mad and like waving his finger around.

Speaker 1 And he's like, we know who the other girl is. And you took her to the prom and stayed in your apartment.
And Will's like, I did not take her to prom.

Speaker 1 And Emmy's like, um, wait, that girl, I know who that is. That's the girl we're talking about.
Have you guys seen this girl?

Speaker 1 And so Will and Emmy are like trying to explain like, that's just a classmate. Emmy knew she was there the whole time.

Speaker 1 She's like, um, and then Emmy tells us, like, I'm not threatened by this particular friend.

Speaker 1 And I feel so bad for the friend who's sitting at home like is she covered in warts on her face like what's wrong with this girl they're like it was fran it was fran all along so

Speaker 3 this girl's just like okay no one would cheat with me thanks guys basically will basically will said that he went to new york for watch what happens live and she was moving and so he let her crash at his place for two days and said like you have to leave though by the time i get back but uh by the way mia at some point in this mia was like i know will and will is the most unfriendly person and he would never let anyone stay at his house that was her piece of evidence so tj's like when are you gonna realize that he's a fucking piece of shit that's gonna fuck you over she's like um i am not everyone is miserable tj and he's like no except for for you you fucking guys

Speaker 3 and he's just like runs off and he goes off to maddie

Speaker 1 And he's like, he is

Speaker 3 so, he is way too emotionally invested in all this shit. But obviously it's like hitting his damage.
There's something about, I think, I think when he sees people who are not being truthful,

Speaker 3 it sets him off and he goes to a dark place that he doesn't need to go to.

Speaker 1 No, I think he's a serious drama. And it's a season finale.
And he's like, oh, I'm going to yell it. Because then he runs right in.
He goes, I just screamed at them.

Speaker 1 I just screamed at them. He's like trying to get, he's trying to get like attention from the popular girl.
And Matty's like, oh, my God, TJ, someone get this man of water. Look at TJ.
My God.

Speaker 1 His bowling ball face is about to explode. Please, someone help TJ.

Speaker 3 So then Emmy at this point is like, her hands are doing the big, like, flappy thing. And she's like, everyone is always has something to say behind my back, but like, never to me.

Speaker 3 It's like she's dribbling a very tall basketball. And so Mia's like, um, because whenever we try to come for you, you always storm away.

Speaker 3 She's like, well, maybe because it's done at a party where everyone's watching and there is no sushi.

Speaker 1 So they leave. Will and Will and Emmy are like, let's go, baby.
So they leave. And then everybody agrees that Will is guilty in a court of law prom of cheating

Speaker 1 and they think that emmy's a victim so you know whatever she's they're not mad at her but fuck will

Speaker 1 and me is like yeah unless she sees a video of him sticking his dick in somebody else she's gonna stay forever she would stay even with that she would stay even with that i think she would she'd be like boys will be boys you know what it's hard being a lawyer Yeah, and that could have been just a doctored video.

Speaker 3 Like, Will told me he was seen on video doing this. And, like, I knew about it.
It's fine. I already yelled at him.
At least there was sushi

Speaker 3 at his set.

Speaker 3 So, um,

Speaker 3 uh, so yeah, that's so they go off into the night. They never have to answer to anything.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

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Speaker 1 And then

Speaker 1 La Prom, Queen and King are announced and it's the couple of the year, Joe and Maddie.

Speaker 1 So they have romantic endings and Joe's like, we're gonna have up and downs, but the fact that we know how to cope with the up and downs and that we see a future together, that is perfect.

Speaker 1 Matty's like, yeah,

Speaker 1 it's going to be great.

Speaker 3 And Clarissa Leachman's in the background in her green dress clapping. Like,

Speaker 3 what a great moment. What a special time for us all.

Speaker 1 So we think it's over. And then we get...

Speaker 1 The film rewinds and it's 10 days ago at Republic. And we hear Will.
We don't see him, but we hear Will and they're like in the kitchen or whatever. And he's talking to the producers.

Speaker 1 And he's like, I don't don't know when would be the appropriate time for this but um I have information that would be like an atom bomb

Speaker 1 and we screenshotted all of our group texts so there would be like some redemption in it for me and her but like I don't think we've seen Maddie activated this season so like why don't we turn it on Maddie like did they just show Will trying to be messy with the producers yeah

Speaker 3 so then we go into the reunion which is a watch what happens live reunion it's a it's a a clubhouse i feel like next season they deserve to have a proper reunion with like sofas and everything but um so andy cohen's got everyone there everyone's there and the big thing that comes out at this reunion because maddie is like she's rattled okay like because andy's like it takes 10 minutes for him to say hello to the entire cast but he's like hi joe hey andy hi tj hi andy hi hi maddie she's like

Speaker 1 Hi, Andy.

Speaker 3 Like, okay, what happened to Maddie Reese? She looks, she looks shell-shocked shell-shocked right now.

Speaker 1 Well, she says she's under the weather, but we find out what happened last night. Will dropped the bomb.
Will, you're so bad at this. You do this shit at the reunion.

Speaker 1 You don't do it the day before and give everybody like a heads up. What's wrong with him? He did the same thing with the brother.

Speaker 1 He should have had the brother show up at the prom and say that's not true or whatever. And now he's doing it again where he's just blowing his wad before they shoot.

Speaker 1 So Will has decided not to show up. He pusses out of the whole thing.

Speaker 1 What it was.

Speaker 3 So, what it was, you know what? Here's the thing is that last season,

Speaker 3 Maddie was in the hot seat with Trevor, which is obviously going to be relevant in this reunion. But Will was a crusader against that situation.

Speaker 3 He and Emmy were very act, were like very vocal about it. They went to Miami and Maddie left in the middle of the, in the middle of dinner to go off with Trevor or whatever.

Speaker 3 And he's like, why doesn't Trevor show up? I mean, I seem to remember him saying these things. But he was like, he was grilling Maddie.
He was aggressive about it, as were everyone else.

Speaker 3 But the point is that like he wanted Maddie to show accountability. It became a whole thing.

Speaker 3 And now this season, when he has to face the fire, not only does he not show up at the reunion to like at least answer things and dispel rumors, he sits there backstage while Emmy has to take all the heat for him.

Speaker 3 It is so shitty. What a piece of shit.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he really is. But, you know, stupid Emmy.
It's just like, like, he just couldn't do it. It's like for his mental health.

Speaker 1 It's like super important when you're a lawyer to have mental health, guys.

Speaker 3 You need to have like a really mentally sharp and unattenuated mind to hold that highlighter above your ear.

Speaker 1 Okay. So it's just, it's for him.
It's for his legal career. So we start right off with it.
So

Speaker 1 basically Maddie starts crying. She's like, I just found out the news last night.
Just last night, guys.

Speaker 1 Just last night, Joe. I don't know what's really fake.

Speaker 1 We find out that Will came to her and told her, showed her all the group texts, which proved that all the stuff about Trevor cheating with that girl last year was a lie.

Speaker 1 And basically they all went with it anyway, just to throw Maddie under the bus and have her break up with Trevor, which is just so shitty.

Speaker 1 And Brad's excuse is like, well, I mean, I didn't like her then. And so, you know, basically this girl, I was training this girl.
She told me about this and that.

Speaker 1 She said that she made out with him, but then she admitted, once she saw it getting out of control, she admitted it that it was a lie. But by then, it was just too late for me to say anything.

Speaker 1 And I didn't like Maddie anyway. And then they just let him off as if the entire part of the last episode wasn't Brad doing this again.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 This exact same thing again.

Speaker 3 Exactly.

Speaker 3 I mean, it's funny because my memory of season two was that it was never really clear whether Sammy hooked up with Trevor. I mean, we all kind of believed it because Trevor...

Speaker 3 still is a piece of shit regardless of whether he hooked up with this guy or not like he was a he was garbage and and you know maddie does say that but brad says that like he basically is like, yeah, at first she had lied to me and said they hooked up, but then she said they hadn't looked up.

Speaker 3 At that point, I was already so deep into it. So we just went along with it, which is, it is, it is sucky because it does also

Speaker 3 means that his case against Will is much weaker. Like you just said, about, you know, about like what he heard about lost law school.
Like he's clearly a proven liar.

Speaker 3 But really the first part is like Maddie being like, my reality is like destroyed. Like, I don't know what's real and I don't know what's fake anymore.
Okay, settle down.

Speaker 3 And still, this is just about Sammy and, and Trevor. So it's not that deep.

Speaker 1 But it is because her whole thing with Trevor was, you've cheated on me. I don't want to be with you again.
And he's like, I've changed. No, I promise you I've changed.

Speaker 1 So she gets back together with him. He's accused of cheating again.
And she's like, I can't because you're accused of cheating again. And this is obviously lying.

Speaker 3 She stayed with him.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 3 She stayed with him after that.

Speaker 1 The thing is that she ended up breaking up with him after all the stress of it and stuff because it said she saw the stress in their relationship But he didn't cheat on her So maybe he had changed So I mean I don't think that you do when you're a Trevor I don't think that he did change but that's not the point It's not like whether I think he could change but in this girl's mind She's like I broke up with like the love of my life because of you guys and they were all in on it Everybody knew in the group text and Joe's like I don't I didn't know anything bullshit.

Speaker 1 Joe knew too, but Joe is lying because he wants to keep Maddie.

Speaker 1 So she's like, okay, you guys had me break up with the love of my life and now I'm settling for like a friend because I'm so traumatized when I should have been with that guy this whole fucking time and now I'm living out my dreams.

Speaker 1 I could be with that guy, but instead I'm with this friend because you guys have forced me into this fucking situation.

Speaker 3 So. Right.
Well, and we can see that this has also changed people's perceptions of Will because at one point, Andy asks, who here thinks that like...

Speaker 3 the rumors are true about Will and actually not as many people raised their hands whereas I think at the end of the season they all believed it.

Speaker 3 So, you know, Will has like that's definitely like the needle has moved more towards Will. But I think the thing is that, like, it's like whether Will cheated or not, it's never been totally clear.

Speaker 3 But what has been clear is that he has been a shitty boyfriend to Emmy, and he talked shit about her, and he let her take the brunt of like all these accusations.

Speaker 3 And he, he would always hide away instead of like facing them. And that, like, that, none of this takes away from the fact that he's, he's really shitty for doing that.

Speaker 3 And he should have appeared on this reunion stage and said, look, I just got this information, and I, and and this proves that you are all unreliable narrators, and you're all more interested, even though I was part of it too, in weaving a tale that's good for TV and you don't care who gets hurt in the process.

Speaker 3 And this year, it's me who's getting hurt in the process. And everything you guys say should be taken with a grain of salt because you're obviously liars and you're proven liars.

Speaker 3 This was he had the, he was the one who introduced the evidence, but then he didn't show up for his own court case.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's an idiot. Yeah, Will's, I'm not, it's nothing standing up for Will, but it's obviously

Speaker 1 Brad in specific are like, or in particular, are liars. They've done it two seasons in a row, and that's just not good.
And the whole cast was on board with it. It's just so gross.

Speaker 1 And I, I don't blame Maddie for being pissed, but it's, they still keep turning it on Will being a bad boyfriend, which he is, but you guys are terrible fucking friends. I mean, you are all terrible.

Speaker 1 And it also goes to show you like the level of self-producing that goes even to like a season two of this show, you know, that they're like, no, no, they all get on the group text like a bunch of housewives, like, here's how we're going to bring this bitch down, you know?

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 It was funny how Brad was like, well,

Speaker 3 I am going to do something that Will was not able to do, which is I'm going to be accountable. And this is what I did.
He sort of like, he presents it like this is actually

Speaker 3 evidence of him having good character. Yeah, he's such a good character.

Speaker 3 So shitty.

Speaker 1 You're not accountable when you're already in jail. You know what I mean? It's like a jailhouse confession.
Like you were already caught, buddy. Okay.

Speaker 1 It's not just you coming forward and being accountable. You were busted.
So, yeah, Maddie doesn't really seem to be mad at all of them, but she does seem to be shell-shocked, you know.

Speaker 1 And Joe, I don't believe Joe for one second.

Speaker 3 Maddie is so shell-shocked. The poor thing, she looks like,

Speaker 3 she looks like she saw a ghost. She is, she just looks out of source for this entire reunion.
And she is, she's like, oh, like traumatized for the whole hour. Yeah.

Speaker 3 And then, um, and then Emmy Emmy is also, I mean,

Speaker 3 she's, she's crying. And at one point, she's like, ah, and Lake is like, oh, God.
They just start laughing.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 Emmy is like, no, Lake, be quiet.

Speaker 3 You don't understand. Like, Emmy is going through it.

Speaker 1 And Leva is like, I don't feel for Lev for Emmy either because she was in on this. Like, you can't spend an entire season lying about somebody else and then cry when it happens to you the next season.

Speaker 1 And by the way, it didn't even come from Maddie, who deserved to get revenge on your ass. It came from the same people that you were butting up to to take her down.
So fuck off.

Speaker 3 And Leva's like, you don't have to take on, you know, all of you're taking on too much of Will's bullshit.

Speaker 1 And she's like, ah, but I don't like crab cakes anymore.

Speaker 3 I was like, okay.

Speaker 3 There was also a big portion of the reunion that was dedicated. It was actually like really fascinating and interesting.
A lot of discussion about like gay stuff.

Speaker 3 And it was interesting because you have Michaels and you have TJ and then you have Andy and you have Michaels who's relatively new on his journey.

Speaker 3 And you have TJ who's been through like 10 years or so of it and has been like traumatized by queer baiting. And you have Andy who's kind of like mother-henning them.

Speaker 3 And it was a, it was actually a very, there were touching moments, but there was a moment where there was a clash with Joe and TJ because they started to rehash the whole thing of like, like, GJ, why would you go around telling everyone that Joe's gay?

Speaker 3 You told everyone that Joe's gay. And they're really coming down hard on TJ.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 TJ is like trying to keep it together. And at one moment, the reason why I bring this up is because Grace Lily tries to jump into TJ's defense.
And she goes, Look,

Speaker 1 I scissored a woman. I scissored a girl once.

Speaker 3 In this very serious moment, like talking about like, like, what, like, queer baiting and like emotional trauma for it.

Speaker 3 And like, what was said privately, what's room, what's starting rumors, what's just venting to your friends and everything.

Speaker 1 She's, hey, hey, hey, I scissored a girl once, guys.

Speaker 3 Doesn't make me gay.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that whole thing too, because that turns out that Joe and TJ made up during the season, but then Joe ditched him again once he saw all the footage because he saw how TJ was talking behind his back and he didn't like that.

Speaker 1 And then TJ starts crying and pulling this victim shit again. I'm sorry, but you're in the wrong.
You're just in the wrong period. I mean, I get a lot of the stuff.

Speaker 1 And we had the discussion during the season about the plot line of like, well, you know, it's not really right for Joe to like lead somebody on and then kind of hook up.

Speaker 1 And then the other person's supposed to be silent and this and that. But TJ literally was going around to everybody being like, Joe's gay, Joe's gay, Joe's gay, trying to kind of ruin his reputation.

Speaker 1 And we never got to the part of the conversation of like, can we get to a time where being gay doesn't ruin someone's reputation? That would be nice. The South.

Speaker 1 Like we didn't get to that part of the conversation, but TJ just starts this shit where he's confronted with stuff, what he did wrong.

Speaker 1 and he starts crying and he's the biggest victim because he's been queer baited. Well, stop fucking hooking up with straight guys then.

Speaker 1 Like at some point, you have to like take some kind of responsibility. You know what I mean? Yeah.
I think at this reunion, TJ was just like, oh, he was just not winning it for me.

Speaker 3 He had a tough reunion. I don't know.

Speaker 3 I did feel bad for him because I do think he's really been, he's like profoundly, you know,

Speaker 3 scrambled by like his, whatever his gay journey has been.

Speaker 3 Like he, he's, he's, everything that we talked about with TJ tonight, it's all wrapped up in this, in like self-loathing and, and who knows what.

Speaker 3 And I think like it's, I think it's like a very murky thing. I think, yeah,

Speaker 3 it's not right to say, don't hook up with Joe because he's gay. But I also think he's allowed to tell his friends, like, I think that Joe may have had feelings for me.
So it's a complicated situation.

Speaker 3 And I just feel bad because I see him just like tangled up in his own bullshit right now. But I also feel bad because it's like, I thought you guys settled this during the season.

Speaker 3 Like, why did, like, I don't know, I don't think it's, I don't think it's cool that Joe Bradley

Speaker 3 got mad all over again. Cause I'm like, you know what was discussed.
Like, you're getting mad all over again.

Speaker 1 He doesn't know what was discussed behind his back and what TJ was saying and how he was discussing it with everybody else. You know, he only knows the conversation he had with TJ.

Speaker 1 And I mean, when TJ was, when they were going through that scene, I thought that was such a good scene in the bar.

Speaker 1 And like, I related a lot to that scene because I've gone through that same period that TJ has. You know, I've had that.
I've had those same loves and stuff that I really didn't understand

Speaker 1 because they were like quote unquote straight and they turned out just to be guys experimenting and stuff. Like I get that.
And I think if TJ had just come to the reunion and been like, I fucked up.

Speaker 1 I shouldn't have done it. You're right.

Speaker 1 Me going to those people and saying stuff was wrong, but I didn't understand it was wrong because to me, it was just like a hookup and I'm allowed to talk about a hookup.

Speaker 1 Like I didn't understand it was going to affect your dating life or whatever in Charleston or follow you around because we live in a fucking homophobic place and this and that.

Speaker 1 I think if he took more responsibility or accountability, then I wouldn't have been pissed, but he didn't. He just was like, well, it's because I've been traumatized by men.
It's like, fuck off.

Speaker 1 Like at some point, you have to take some responsibility, you know? And then you spent the whole season lying against someone who's your best friend, your other best friend, who's Will.

Speaker 1 Like that guy is just like, that's terrible. Like, especially after that, no.
No. Yeah.
No problem.

Speaker 3 But then there was, on the other side, you have Michaels, who, poor guy, he's sobbing. He's sobbing during the clubhouse talking about his mom.
He thought that like, he thought the show was going to

Speaker 3 like like make his mom, I think, realize what his, what his pain is that he carries.

Speaker 3 And he says his mom hasn't even reached out once. And if anything, like, his mom has been like, Why are people telling me that you're talking about being gay on TV?

Speaker 3 And so, but he did say his family members, like his, his aunts and like his siblings, have been open and he's gonna, like, they're gonna meet Preston and everything.

Speaker 3 But I felt so bad for Michaels because he is really like he clearly is like yearning to reconnect with his mother. And his mom is like like I this

Speaker 1 you know she I'm not gonna say she's a piece of shit because she's a piece of shit I'll say fuck that lady fuck that troll because I'm like I don't yeah I will say fuck that lady though like that's your son right there how do you know how do you not reach out like how do you when you see your child crying on TV and just wanting his mother's love and you're gonna and you're just you're just not gonna talk to him like really lady go to shut up mountain yeah fuck that lady fuck you lady um yeah some people are just shit people you know but she was lucky enough to have a non-shit son so that's good because he's very nice i mean on michaels behalf i'm like oh god please preston don't break his heart because i just have a feeling i just have a i have a bad feeling about preston and i don't know why because he seems so sweet he's done nothing but be very sweet on the show so i don't know why but i just i don't know but i love michaels i know michaels is so wonderful that michaels is a great find uh He's going to, like, he's a great breakout star for them.

Speaker 3 But yeah, so it was a fun reunion.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 I just, I hope this show continues to thrive because it's given us three wonderful seasons of content.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so far so good, Show. Love this show.
And hopefully it's started to break out a little bit. And, you know, it seems like more people are watching it and stuff this year.
So, yeah, I think so.

Speaker 3 Let's see.

Speaker 1 Hope we get some more, but it's been a super fun show.

Speaker 1 It's been a super fun season of Southern Charm. So thanks, Show.

Speaker 3 Yeah, thank you. And thanks everyone for listening.
And we will catch you on the next Krappens episode.

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