#2736 Summer House S09E02: Broken Hearts and Middle Parts

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Speaker 2 And that's basically it. And today, we are getting back into Summer House.
It's the much-anticipated reunion

Speaker 2 of Carl and Lindsay.

Speaker 1 Carl and the dishes that he's going to be doing the rest of the season because that's all Carl is going to do. Why is Carl back? I don't know.

Speaker 1 I guess Carl's back to watch Carl do some dishes and act like a huge victim of everybody around him. Well, not everybody, Lindsay.
And it's delicious. It's actually really fun to watch.

Speaker 1 Carl's best season, I have to say, so far. Really enjoying it.

Speaker 1 So Carl comes in. At the end of last episode, he came in, freaked out with the producers.
Like, oh my God, what am I going to say to Lindsay?

Speaker 1 And then went to the bathroom and hyperventilated for a while and talked himself up. He's like,

Speaker 1 You look great, by the way. So now he comes out all confident.
He's like, I'm Carl.

Speaker 1 And he walks right out to the pool where everybody's having a good time and starts doing his, like, oh, how's it going? Look at all these faces. Hello, Sierra.
Hello, Paige. Hello, everybody.

Speaker 1 Hello, everybody. But Lindsay.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Lindsay is there in the pool in an inner tube. So she's literally circled.
Like she, like, she might as well have like fluorescent yellow on her and highlight.

Speaker 2 You know, she is like so obviously there. And oh, hey, I just want to say hello to everyone here.
Does anyone know this balloon guy here? Can I say hi to him?

Speaker 2 Oh, look, hey, pine tree, good to see you again. Oh, barbecue.
Am I missing anyone? Am I missing anyone at all?

Speaker 2 And Lindsay's just like, this is classic Carl, you know, avoidant, passive-aggressive pussy.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And Lindsay's like, um, I don't blame him for not saying hi to me, but like, i really don't care so

Speaker 1 and uh so they're trying to make small talk with carl and they're asking how he is and he's like i mean butterflies coming out here of course butterflies like it's been really rough a couple of years for me guys i'm like oh jesus here he goes and lizzy's just staring at him like okay

Speaker 2 Yeah, everyone's like, right, right. So Lindsay's like, I'm done with that relationship.
And his feelings and emotions are just like not my issue anymore.

Speaker 2 So he can like lean on someone else for softness and tenderness and tighter hugs hmm it's like yeah you go lindsay so then sierra's like she whispers to jesse she's like did carl and lindsay even say hi to each other and he's like i don't think so hold on let me face time my girlfriend lexi hold on hey lexi are you there she's like carl i'm i'm jesse i'm sitting right next to you all right i just want to double check

Speaker 1 uh so then kyle is asking carl you know like have you said hi lindsay yet he's like uh no i just uh i want to congratulate her on everything but I just don't want to make her uncomfortable.

Speaker 1 That's super important. I mean, she's like pregnant, pregnant, right? And you're like, yeah, she's pregnant, pregnant.
So, Carl, by the way,

Speaker 2 nothing says making sure someone isn't uncomfortable, like singling them out and not saying hello to them.

Speaker 1 It's literally what I do with every pregnant person I see. If a pregnant person comes on the bus, I just like hide my face under a magazine.

Speaker 2 Like,

Speaker 1 they can't see me. They won't feel uncomfortable.

Speaker 2 I don't want her feel uncomfortable.

Speaker 2 So Carl's like, she's like, pregnant, progno. I mean, and then he tells us this.
This is one of many woe-is-me things from Carl that we'll probably get all season long.

Speaker 2 I just want to say the right thing and I want to like deliver the right words and just like acknowledge it.

Speaker 2 And it's just like, I think it's like the right thing to do, just to say something, but I'm afraid she's going to like. bust out a bunch of shit that she's angry about.

Speaker 2 And there's like a lot of feelings and emotions and like we were friends before.

Speaker 2 I was in love with her and i wanted to get married it just wasn't right so i have like a lot of i got my armor up and even though she seemingly doesn't give a shit anymore i i still think she does okay so this a lot of bullshit right in here first of all you want to deliver the right words guess what you had like a three-hour drive to get here you could have thought of something okay second of all it's lindsay you know you like you don't have to be so delicate with her third of all um i'm afraid she's gonna bust out a bunch of shit okay so you're you're afraid of scary lindsay now okay relax bro she's pregnant she's moved on with her life and then he does the whole thing like well i wanted to get married but it just wasn't right no you were the one who broke it up so you don't get to pull the whole i wanted to get married thing and then the whole like oh i've got my armor up so you know she doesn't give a shit anymore but i do i'm still the one who's sensitive and caring shut the up and get out of here and go wash a dish can i say i don't even have any of the anger towards carl i'm just like poor carl like what's carl even doing here you know he drives up he doesn't even have that I mean last year it was like what's Carl doing here?

Speaker 1 But at least he had the Lindsay thing kind of going on. But even then he was not really into it.
So I mean I don't really care.

Speaker 1 It's kind of like I remember when I worked at Applebee's Sorry, everybody. Wait for it.
It's an Applebee story. But I was like 15 and I finally left that place.

Speaker 1 And then I came back and I was like, this is going to be so special seeing everybody and like, I don't know, having my moment with all my friends and stuff. And it wasn't.
Okay. It was different.

Speaker 1 Now somebody else had to dust the pictures on the wall and the stupid license plates they used to put on the wall. And it wasn't me.
And I felt kind of sad about it for a minute, but then guess what?

Speaker 1 I started going to Chili's instead. And my life was a lot better for it.
So my point is, Carl,

Speaker 1 go to Chili's, okay? This is no longer your Apple Bees. You are a bad apple.
You have fallen off the tree and rolling down the hill. So go, go, Roland.
Roll down the hill. Go away.

Speaker 1 So the boys are going to have boys say, We're going to the uni bar. It's just boys.
So we're leaving the 20.

Speaker 1 All right, everybody so now they have to start getting ready to go do that and stuff and west is also still moping around he's like wow

Speaker 1 really upset sierra really hurt his feelings guys sierra really hurt his feelings by confronting him with the stuff that he did Yeah, and Jesse is still admiring Lexi.

Speaker 2 He's like, I mean, she has kind of a juicy booty. I'm like, does she?

Speaker 2 So then, then, like, she comes in because they're in the kitchen. And so they like scatter.
And they walk back in as if like they weren't weren't just staring at her.

Speaker 2 She's like, hi, I'm looking for string cheese. So there, there's people were saying, where's Lexi's personality? And it has arrived.
She's looking for string cheese.

Speaker 1 And Justice's like, do you like Malfa? She's like,

Speaker 1 no, I love your outfit.

Speaker 1 I love it.

Speaker 2 And Paige walks in and is like, oh, look at your little terry cloth set. You're just like a little towelboy.
It's like you made an outfit of towels. Okay.
Bye.

Speaker 1 So then

Speaker 1 West comes in with like a Duck Dynasty outfit. I'm not really sure what West is going to.
I get wanting to do the whole like, I'm a guy. I listen to Barstool.
Like, that's great. Okay.

Speaker 1 You guys do you. I see you all over the place here in Texas.

Speaker 1 This isn't fashion.

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 1 at some point, it's, he's kind of a caricature of those guys. I'd actually like to see one of those Duck Dynasty guys just kind of beat up West.

Speaker 2 Yeah. They probably would.

Speaker 2 So Amanda's like, are we going hunting?

Speaker 2 No, it's like not fun pants summer. It's fun top summer this year.
Is that what's going on West? He's like, do you think this is a fun top? She goes, for you, yeah.

Speaker 2 For anyone else, it's garbage.

Speaker 1 For us, it's all fun because we get to laugh at you.

Speaker 1 So Kyle, you know, I love that we're acting like the guys are all high fashion. They all look like dads going to a Costco in the summer.
Okay.

Speaker 1 But every time one of them comes out, they're like, oh my God, you look amazing. So now Carl's like, oh, I'm going to drive for boys day it's for the boys

Speaker 1 so paige comes up with a better idea she's like amanda what if we around and lie down on the couch it's crazy

Speaker 2 So then Carl's like, yeah, I already feel a good vibes with the boys.

Speaker 2 Wes is like, dude, if it makes you feel any better about an awkward intro with Lindsay, I went in to give Sierra a hug when she got here and she fucking stiff armed my arms away.

Speaker 1 Oh, man.

Speaker 2 And we see like, we see like flashbacks of that. He's like, yeah, it's been a day and it's already been like, I asked her something this morning and she was, she was kind of nice.

Speaker 2 I think it's getting better.

Speaker 1 I wasn't sure like if I should say something Lindsay because like I saw her in the pool and I was like, should I say something? But then I didn't say something.

Speaker 1 And Jesse's like, you did the right thing, bro. You did the right thing.
That's totally what you should do to make things less awkward.

Speaker 1 You know, walk in, have a nervous breakdown in the bathroom, and then just don't say anything to the people that terrify you. He's like, yeah, yeah.
I'm going to give it a little space.

Speaker 1 A little space.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I kind of agree not to do it in front of everyone the second you get there. It almost feels like you're chomping at the bit to say, you know, something crazy like, hey, how's it going?

Speaker 2 Congrats on the pregnancy, by the way.

Speaker 2 Because God forbid you say something like that.

Speaker 1 So now the girls are talking about how nervous Carl was. And

Speaker 1 so she's like, oh my, Amanda's like, do you think he noticed the gigantic ultrasound on the mantle?

Speaker 1 And she's like, the weirdest thing to me is that like lindsay's pregnant so now like we're all pregnant like i have to get my together now

Speaker 2 wait do i have to get my taxes in order and manda's like yeah i gotta go on my account and maybe i should move to south carolina what am i doing

Speaker 2 maybe i should just submit to hell

Speaker 1 yeah and so paige is talking about how weird it is because like one girl gets pregnant and then it puts things in perspective with everybody else and she's like yeah when craig and i started dating lindsay and carl started dating and then they got engaged and they planned planned a wedding.

Speaker 1 They called off the wedding. She got a new boyfriend.
She got pregnant. And I'm still dating Craig.
And all that's really happened is that I got Craig to get a new haircut. So

Speaker 1 am I behind?

Speaker 2 But to be fair, this all happened in the span of like six months. Okay.
Like the wedding, the engagement, the wedding, the breakup, that was like, that could not have been more than a calendar year.

Speaker 1 And it's also different because Lindsay's wants are very different. Lindsay was like, I'm getting married.
I'm having a baby. This is my timeline.

Speaker 1 I want a balloon and I want, you know, I want a hot air balloon. Like, she had all of her stuff.
And Paige didn't really like that. I do think it's funny, though, that girls seem to have that, like,

Speaker 1 oh no, someone, some one of my friends is getting married. Should I be getting married? Should I be getting a baby?

Speaker 1 When one of my friends gets married, I know that it's time to go to the Bevmo and get the bar stocked because they're going to need somewhere to come complain about their marriage.

Speaker 1 And it's, it works like clockwork, you know?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I believe that.

Speaker 2 Also, Lindsay and

Speaker 2 Craig, they should get together because they both want to have the whole family thing. And why not?

Speaker 2 So,

Speaker 2 so then the guys are just talking. They're at the bar.
There's Rowan out and everything talking about what they're drinking and stuff.

Speaker 2 And Kyle's like, well, first of all, similar to his relationship, it was less than 24 hours years old, 24 hours old with Jesse and everything.

Speaker 2 And Wes is like, oh, yeah, that's what we're going to tell you. Verbatim, dude, put this t-shirt on.

Speaker 2 Jesse today goes, I can't believe we're going to go two summers in a row where we're not single together. Like, yeah, it's crazy.
He's like in a relationship. He's like, Yeah.

Speaker 2 I accidentally said, I don't know if she clocked it, but oh, Jesse says, I don't know if she clocked it, but Carl, I'd like to introduce you to the love of my life, Lexi.

Speaker 1 Like, I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and West is like, I guess I'm without my bro for the rest of the summer.

Speaker 1 So he's all sad.

Speaker 1 So he's like sadly singing like the reprise ballad version of what would Jesse Solomon do? It's like, what would Jesse Solomon do?

Speaker 1 Do, do, do, do, do.

Speaker 1 So then back at the house, the girls are still talking, and Gabby's like, so Lexi, am I catching vibes from you and Jesse? And she's like, oh my God, you're catching vibes.

Speaker 1 Well, I was going to say, like, tell me about your vibes.

Speaker 1 Look, like, he's cute. And like, it's our second day.
So, like, we haven't dove in deep. But, like, so far, I'm like, so shocked.

Speaker 1 I'm like the vibes are there like I'm just like I don't like to be touched unless it's somebody that's cute but like he touches me and he's like cute. So like vibes are there so he can touch me.

Speaker 1 I'm like that was a really long paragraph to say nothing Lexi.

Speaker 2 Say something Lexi Gabby is just like, why am I the one who has to ask these girls what's going on in their lives? She looks so disinterested with them. So Lexi tells some backstory.

Speaker 2 She goes, my parents have been together for 37 years. Crazy.
They got married when they were 21. So seeing their love and how that's the foundation, she just goes on and on about her parents.

Speaker 2 Like literally no one cares that your parents were still together. We care more if your parents were separated and one of them, you know,

Speaker 2 like got lost in the Amazon or something. So Bailey's like, y'all look cute together though.
So I'm like your supporter for the one episode left that I'm on this show.

Speaker 1 And then back at the bar at Jesse's like, wow, you you guys, I can't believe how excited I am about this.

Speaker 1 Like, I feel like I'm like too young to need someone young and fresh to make me feel like more of a man, but apparently I'm not. So I feel like I've entered kind of a new area, era of my life.

Speaker 1 It's amazing. Like, yeah, bro.

Speaker 2 Yeah, this is the fastest 24 hours of relationship I've ever seen in my life, bro. And Carl's like, yo, hey, have you texted her yet? Do you want to text her?

Speaker 2 He's like, I don't have her number yet, bro. It's like, oh, man.

Speaker 2 So he DMs her to get her number. And he says, yeah, I DM'd her.
I said, I wish I had had your number right now. It's like, oh,

Speaker 2 it's going to be awful. This is good.
It's going to be a rough season for Jesse because this is going to blow up.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So it's like, to my last night is a single man, everybody.
And they're like, oh, my God, dude, you're so insane.

Speaker 1 He's like, guys, you know, I'm kidding, but also kind of serious. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 So now it's July 5th. How did no one even? care that it was July 4th? Come on, guys.
Is it because it was on a Thursday or something?

Speaker 2 Maybe, maybe.

Speaker 1 It's like a huge day on Summerhouse, July 4th. It's like a, it's a, it's a huge deal.

Speaker 2 Huge day.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 now Lexi, Gabby, and Dan, Lexi, Gabby, and Bailey are at the table still. And Lexi's like, wait, so Bailey, I know that you're talking to someone in the city, but you aren't sure where things are.

Speaker 2 Do you care to elaborate? She's like, yeah, I want to keep it. Gabby's like, is he coming to the party? We don't know.
Oh, so what do you mean? Why isn't he coming?

Speaker 2 I don't know he's like sent some weird message he was like i'm sorry i have a lot of work to do i mean i met this guy and we went on a couple of dates and he's such a beautiful man and then i went into this with no expectations but i also don't need you to give me attitude if i'm having a good time and i'm not on the phone okay like what do you think i'm doing i mean i just said let's just see how this goes let's not put a label on it danielle's just sitting there like i'm not danielle gabby She's just like, how much longer do I have to talk to these people before I can contractually go to a different room?

Speaker 1 I think part of the problem in relationships today is that people are so afraid to put labels on things. Well, Bailey, I've got a label.
I've watched you for about five minutes. Here's a label.

Speaker 1 Boring. Okay.
Boring. There's your label.
Sew it on and run along. So then Gabby goes to Lindsay's room and she's like, Oh my god, these young girls have me like spatting in circles.

Speaker 1 I mean, they're not drunk, they're just like boy drama.

Speaker 1 And Lindsay's like, I'm about to have a baby, so I'm very mature.

Speaker 1 Just sits and and looks at her like you guys are all so crazy so then um the boys are coming home now and jetsy got lexi's number and so he face times her and he's like hey how are you and she's like

Speaker 1 why did you face time me

Speaker 1 i just want to see your face oh my god do you miss me

Speaker 2 I mean, I didn't say that, but yeah, I mean, so we're just like leaving now. So we'll be home in like 10 to 15 minutes.

Speaker 1 You better get ready because when you're home, I'm going to run right into your room and give you a koala hug.

Speaker 2 What would Koala Solomon do?

Speaker 1 Burn this house down. I can't take it anymore.
I'm fucking at it. Okay.
I've already fucking had it. It's episode two.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Break up already because there's only so much of this I can take. I hope this whole thing is fast-tracked where they get married in a week and then they're like messy divorced people, you know,

Speaker 1 fighting until they both crash down on the chandelier, like at the end of War of the Roses, by episode six.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

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Speaker 2 So the guys come back and they're like, honeys, we're home. And then upstairs, Paige and Sierra are in their bed and Paige goes, Downstairs could literally be on fire and I wouldn't give a fuck.

Speaker 2 I hope downstairs catches on fire. So, um, yeah, Sierra's like, Yeah, I wouldn't give a fuck either.
And then Lindsay's trying to do the bed thing with Gabby, and she's like, Can I just say something?

Speaker 2 That was so weird that Carl didn't say anything. She's like, Yeah, like, why did you even decide to come back?

Speaker 2 Him and his, like, big-ass teeth, and his non-ALK lover boy is continuing contributing nothing to the party. He's like, not even going to, like, pick up girls.

Speaker 1 And she's like, Yeah, like Carl coming back to the house, that's a choice, But like Lindsay coming back to the house is also a choice. It's just like a lot of choices that I don't really understand.

Speaker 1 Like, what show is this? Like, what are we, what are we shooting this year? So

Speaker 1 Gabby's like, whatever, you're both boring. So she leaves.
And then in Lexi's room, Jesse's there. And he's like, koala, koala.
I'm like, oh my God, Wayne Fried. Koala hugs.

Speaker 1 And she climbs him like a tree and gives him the old-fashioned bachelor hug.

Speaker 2 Yeah. He's like, sorry, I'm like a little bit slimy because I have moisturizer on.
He's like, yeah, slime me up. Slime me up, which I think may be the new put your weight on me.

Speaker 2 Slime me up, bro.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 they are hugging and it's annoying. She's like, how is the boys in? He's like, good, I'm a little drunk.
She's like, are you? He's like, yeah, is that shocking?

Speaker 2 So they get into bed and everything and they start talking. And then, meanwhile, Carl's downstairs making a steak and everything.
Like a giant, a giant rack of snow.

Speaker 1 This is like some Flintstone shit happening downstairs.

Speaker 2 That must have cost like $300.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so watch.

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Speaker 1 I did not saw it at all.

Speaker 1 So she's like, oh my God, Kyle, did you see how much fucking me this is? Carl

Speaker 1 men in their meat, am I right? So then back in Lexi's room,

Speaker 1 they're, you know, they're doing their whole bachelor thing.

Speaker 1 They did the koala hug, and now's the part where Jesse announces that he's going to give her the robe, which is going through his trauma, which that's what they do on The Bachelor.

Speaker 1 When it's time to like

Speaker 1 bang somebody or at least get a make out and stay on the show for another week, you got to bring out the trauma. And I feel like he wasted it.
I feel like it was too quick.

Speaker 2 Well, but she had hers. She was ready.
So she, she has a J tattooed, or maybe it's a necklace or something. But he's like, hey, what was a J stand for? Is that for Jesse?

Speaker 2 And he's like, she's like, no, it's my best friend who passed away, Jeremy.

Speaker 2 And she talks about how

Speaker 2 she's never had someone that close to her die.

Speaker 2 And she was like, you know, she talks about what it was like to go through that. It was very sad, you know.

Speaker 2 And she says that he was like a model and that, like, you know, when she was young, when she was like 15, people wouldn't believe in her. But now she was, he was like, you go out there and you get it.

Speaker 2 You're, you're, like, you're Lexi Wood. Go for it.

Speaker 1 He told me, you, you're Lexi Wood.

Speaker 1 I don't know why that part made me laugh. It was was a very serious part, but I just liked it.
But I just liked that restoration. He was the first person who told me, you're Lexi Wood.

Speaker 1 I was like, did you never have roll call in school? I mean,

Speaker 1 at the very least, you had somebody ask, Lexi Wood? Lexi Wood? Lexi.

Speaker 2 Now I really want to fully dive into every emotion and koala hug like it's the best thing ever.

Speaker 2 Then Jesse.

Speaker 1 Now I want to dance like nobody's watching.

Speaker 1 I live, I love so loudly now.

Speaker 1 I'm like, oh my God, you're loving a little too loudly. I have to say.

Speaker 2 Can you love on mute, please? So now Jesse tells her about his testicular cancer, which was very scary. And they're basically bonding.
They have trauma bonding here. And so they make out.

Speaker 2 This leads to the kiss.

Speaker 1 Guys, nothing gets me hornier. Than my best friend dying and somebody else having cancer.
I'm like, yeah, time to bone. So they do that.
And then they don't bone. They just make out.
And then

Speaker 1 they decide they officially like each other. Don't, don't, don't.
It's a fish.

Speaker 2 So then Lindsay goes into the kitchen where Carl is washing dishes like a never-ending. I think that Carl intentionally made dishes dirty so that way he could do dishes for the rest of the evening.

Speaker 1 And he's also so addicted to emotional turmoil because

Speaker 1 this is the set where everything happens in Carl and Lindsay's relationship. Like it's all in the kitchen.

Speaker 1 You know, all of their main, and you know, they've had some scenes other places, but most of their main emotional work is done in the kitchen.

Speaker 1 And so Carl is still stuck in the kitchen this whole trip, cooking, doing dishes, doing more dishes, kicking people out of the kitchen so he can stay in the kitchen because he cannot resolve anything unless it's done with Lindsay in the kitchen.

Speaker 2 Yes. So, you know, Lindsay comes in and Wes says hi to her and Carl just is like, scrub, scrub, scrub, scrub, scrub.
And Lindsay's like, hell, brunch, lunch. And he's like, it was good.
It was good.

Speaker 2 Jesse is crazy. And, you know, just sort of talking.
It's like very, it's just patter, but like clearly Carl is there and Lindsay's there. And they're not addressing each other.
So

Speaker 2 then Carl is basically like, Wes goes out. Carl, Kyle goes off to like fix something with a speaker or something like that.

Speaker 1 Well, I like when Carl does. Yeah, I mean, Jesse, Jesse's already in a relationship after like 24 hours.
I mean, is that just what happens when you're 6'5? I mean, God, how do tall guys live?

Speaker 1 And she's like, um, hey, like, it works for some people.

Speaker 1 Because, of course, Lindsay is the queen of knowing somebody for five minutes. I mean, look, she's she's having a baby with this guy already.
She was just with Carl last summer.

Speaker 1 So she's like, hey, don't knock it till you try it, Shorty.

Speaker 2 So then finally, Kyle, it's just Carl and Lindsay in the kitchen. So Carl goes, hey, Lindsay.
She goes, hey, Arl. How are you?

Speaker 1 I'm good.

Speaker 2 I just want to congratulate you. Thank you.

Speaker 1 I, uh,

Speaker 1 sorry.

Speaker 2 Sorry, I didn't get a chance to say anything earlier. I just figured I'd wait a second.
You didn't get a chance.

Speaker 2 You were literally standing above her while she was in a pool and you just chose not to. But like, it's just the way he phrases thing.
Oh, I didn't get a chance to say hi.

Speaker 2 No,

Speaker 2 no, you literally had the biggest chance to say hello.

Speaker 1 And just the uh, well, she didn't say hello either, you know, to to yeah, but it's on him.

Speaker 2 He walked in. It's up to him.
He's, he's on, he walked in and he's saying hello to everyone. It's on him to say hello.

Speaker 1 So the energy in here was cracking me up because Carl is clearly freaking out and Lindsay does not care. Like she not only not cares, she's so icked out by this guy now.

Speaker 1 And she's doing the thing where she's picking up trash very slowly and just looking at Carl. He's like, hey, Lindsay.
She's like, hey, Carl.

Speaker 1 So, oh, congratulations. She's like, it's okay.
It's a big room setting, Kyle. I'm sure you were nervous.
And he goes, oh,

Speaker 1 yeah. I mean, a little nervous.
I just, but I'm genuinely happy for y'all. And she just like throws something in the trash and stares at him.
And he's like, oh,

Speaker 1 yeah.

Speaker 1 So, you know, I didn't get a chance to to say anything earlier. She's like, yeah, well, these cupcake wrappers aren't going to throw themselves out.
And I appreciate that.

Speaker 1 And in fairness, I did say on the basketball courts last summer, who knows where I'll meet this summer.

Speaker 1 And then we see a flashback to the basketball court where she's like, who knows what's going to happen next summer? Like, I might be pregnant. Fingers crossed.

Speaker 2 And here we are back to present. He's like, yeah, here you are.
And so Kyle is like listening in, of course, pretending to do stuff with the speakers. And she's...

Speaker 2 But, thank you. He's like, You're welcome.

Speaker 1 I appreciate that.

Speaker 2 Of course,

Speaker 1 Kyle, why are you listening in? You know, you're always

Speaker 2 pretending like you're doing stuff with the speaker. I can see you.

Speaker 1 He's the least subtle person. Kyle just stands there looking around, making faces, like, oh my god, you're talking right now.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 Uh, so now it's 6:19 p.m.

Speaker 1 And Jesse has been made out with. So he's getting out of Lexi's bed.
And she goes, Um, you like me

Speaker 2 So yeah, have fun with the makeup so then um Wes he goes into his room and Wes is like how's your girlfriend, bro? She's like, yeah, she's good. We had the talk.
You did not. Yeah, you did not.

Speaker 2 It's pretty serious, but not like the talk, just like the trauma talk. We've trauma bonded.
It was great.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so then Sierra and Paige are still in bed and Sierra's like, I'm like scared of how much I don't want to be here.

Speaker 2 I know. It's like being in South Carolina.
I know. It's like, I'll cry.
It's like, because of, because of West, she's like, yeah, I know, it's scary.

Speaker 2 And so Sarah tells us that in December, she was having a lot of family issues and she spent, she wound up going to Costa Rica for over Christmas. And she talked about some of this to West.

Speaker 2 And like, he was the person that she

Speaker 2 confided to and like shared things with. And then he went and put that in the article, the New York Times article.
And

Speaker 2 he put in the article that, like, you didn't feel like we were each other's people. And that was, she said it was just like really hurt reading everything in the article.

Speaker 1 I'm kind of confused about this.

Speaker 1 Like, look, I think West is an ass, you know, and especially after that whole reunion and stuff. But I'm kind of confused.

Speaker 1 Like, why couldn't, why can't he say in an article, we just weren't each other's person? They had already broken up, right?

Speaker 1 I'm legit confused about the timeline.

Speaker 2 I think what she's saying here is that she was going through tough stuff and she was sharing with him, despite the fact that they had broken up. I'm not sure that they did break up.

Speaker 2 Yeah, they did break up by then, but she still was sharing with him stuff. And then he went and said to the New York Times, like, like, we aren't each other's people.

Speaker 2 Even though when they were sharing, it's like, yeah, we may have broken up, but like, we're still each other's people. That's what I think, that's what I think she means by it.

Speaker 2 That he basically acted like she was some sort of like.

Speaker 1 Like personal well, we didn't really we didn't really click as people it turns out and she's like but I was sharing with you deep shit Yeah, so this was right after the reunion i think so he's basically because i guess my question is she he got ripped apart at the reunion and rightly so but then he did this article after the reunion right i think so so that's why i'm confused like why would you why would it like i think he's allowed to do an interview with somebody and they of course they're going to ask him the whole his whole storyline and all of the only reason he was in the new york times is because he had this like scandal quote unquote scandal with sierra so of course they're going to be like why'd you break up Sierra?

Speaker 1 I mean, I thought, I don't know. For me,

Speaker 2 I think ultimately, what it comes down to is she really dug him. He, you know, he pursued her really hard, and she was closed off to him because she didn't want to get hurt.

Speaker 1 No, no, I know all that.

Speaker 1 I'm just saying, like, the timeline of the reaction. I'm just doing a spiel.
Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, go ahead. I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 No, I'm saying she really

Speaker 2 opened herself up to him. And then he basically breaks her heart.
And then he gets to have two articles on one of the most prestigious newspapers in the country

Speaker 2 that base, you know, that basically he gets to control the narrative. Like, oh, yeah, we just weren't each other's people.
And yeah, it just didn't work out.

Speaker 2 And she's sitting here, like, no one's asking her. No one's writing articles for her.
No one's asking to see what she thinks. New York Times is not asking her when he was one who's the fuckboy.

Speaker 2 So she could say it was about the Costa Rica stuff or whatever. I think she's basically like, you got to go out there and repair your image when you really hurt me.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 1 That makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense.
I'll buy that. So then,

Speaker 1 because like the hating him, I totally get that. I just don't understand the specificity of the New York Times thing and the timing of it.

Speaker 1 Like if it was after the reunion and they ripped him apart, why wouldn't he say in an interview, we just weren't each other's person? So that's the, that's the only part I'm confused about.

Speaker 1 As far as him hurting her feelings, I totally get that. But yeah, the way you put it, I totally get it.

Speaker 2 I think she's not totally emotional. Part of me suspects she's not honest with herself, right? Because she like fucking hates Wes.
But remember, last episode, she was like, they're like, Would you?

Speaker 2 They asked her, I forgot what question they asked her, something like, would you get back together with him? or whatever it was. And she's like, I'm not going to answer that.

Speaker 2 I'm not going to answer that. And she even says later this episode, like, oh, like, after I had that fight, after I confronted him, I almost wanted to kiss him.

Speaker 2 So I think that, like, when she says, oh, I'm upset because of this Costa Rica thing.

Speaker 2 I think still maybe what's really driving the frustration is that he just got to make himself look like

Speaker 2 a nice guy who just wanted to break up with someone. But I don't know.
I'm a little bit with you. I'm a little confused.

Speaker 1 So then

Speaker 1 next up, let's see. So now in the kitchen again, Carl and Matt are there.
And Carl walks in. And

Speaker 1 Carl's like, oh, clear the air, guys. Cleared the air.

Speaker 1 Basically said, like, I congratulated her. And then I was like, didn't have a chance to.

Speaker 1 Didn't have a chance to.

Speaker 1 And then I was like, didn't have a chance to and then her response was really really like it was actually touching she threw some cupcak wrappers away and then she reminded me on the basketball court that she would be pregnant by this time so I lose so it was great it was great

Speaker 2 cut to cut to like two hours from now eating dinner like hey everyone I've made a prepared everyone a tomahawk steak except for Lindsay sorry I didn't have a chance to make you a steak um so I didn't want to make you uncomfortable so

Speaker 2 I didn't know if the baby was vegetarian or not. So I just didn't want to make you uncomfortable.
I was afraid of you getting angry at me.

Speaker 2 So he says, oh, God, he tells us, I feel so much better because I said what I wanted to say. And I just, it felt genuine.
It seemed like she really received it.

Speaker 2 And now I guess I'm guessing I was beat red and shaking. Carl, you said what you said.
All you said was, congratulations.

Speaker 2 You don't bear your soul.

Speaker 1 But you were beat red and you were shaking.

Speaker 1 So then it cuts to Lindsay's interview and she's like, um, Carl will continue to be terrified of me so he's gonna be walking on eggshells around me all summer and i don't care if he's there or not like literally physically emotionally mentally taco contractally

Speaker 1 mannally babily

Speaker 1 literally moved on so

Speaker 2 i'm feeling like oh okay that's like behind me now like you know it took me three hours to three hours to drive out here and then like another full night or full afternoon and then i realized like i just have to say congratulations.

Speaker 1 Okay, it's behind me. I did it.
I did it. I did it.

Speaker 2 Now, now I can go have my summer. Now, now, like that door, that door of saying congratulations to someone's clothes.
I don't have to ever do that again. Oh, it was so scary.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So now it's dinner time and everybody's coming down.
And like, it's becoming kind of a housewife show. And that the first five minutes of every scene now is like, oh my God, I love your outfit.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. I love your outfit.
Do you like my outfit? I love your outfit. So they're doing that.
Jesse's doing that at the moment.

Speaker 1 and then um sierra kind of falls while getting ready in her room which is funny this is out of nowhere she's getting ready she's like what the fuck

Speaker 2 and then uh lindsay is helping wes bring wine to the to the to the table and everything and lindsay's like well you seem quiet he's like yeah like whatever i'm just trying to figure it out i'm just assessing so he's gonna be oh he's hurt the the poor fuck boy you know have to deal with his consequences.

Speaker 2 And he's like, I want, I just want to have fun, but I want to be respectful. And if that means shutting the fuck up for the weekend, I guess that's kind of what it is.

Speaker 2 So I'll just be quiet here in the corner.

Speaker 1 And she's like, I mean, whatever went down between the two of you. And like, I don't know the whole story.
And normally I would choose the man sign, but

Speaker 1 she's hurt. And he's like, yeah, like, no, like 100.
And she's like, yeah, and she got hurt because of your actions or your inactions, right? And he's like, correct.

Speaker 1 She's like, okay, so just be like, look, I want to be on the same page so we can enjoy our summers. That's it.
And he's like, uh,

Speaker 1 that's like so straightforward and like cool, but like

Speaker 1 I really need to be more of a victim. So could I say it? Could you maybe like order a cross on Amazon that I could just kind of splay myself out on while I say that?

Speaker 2 Here, I was thinking about this because I just, I'm afraid that, I'm afraid that I don't look like enough of a victim.

Speaker 2 So how about if I say, hey, Sierra, when I was talking to that person from the New York Times, I thought it was someone who was asking what time it was in New York. That's it.

Speaker 2 I had no idea it was an article. It's like, it wasn't my fault.
Do you think that'll apply?

Speaker 1 No. So dinner's ready.
Dinner is served. Dinner's served.
I'm sorry if anybody's uncomfortable. I'm getting so good at this.
I'm getting so good at this.

Speaker 2 Wow, that was like a lot off my chest because like for a long time I was like, will dinner ever be served? Am I going to actually serve dinner?

Speaker 2 And now like I served, it just feels like I can finally enjoy my summer now.

Speaker 1 So Carl has to make an announcement on his microphone because not everybody's there. So he's like, ladies and gentlemen, please report to the dining room.
Dinner is served.

Speaker 1 And Carl's like, oh my God, who the fuck gave Carl a microphone? He's like, it was $400.

Speaker 1 It's $400.

Speaker 2 Thank you.

Speaker 2 So,

Speaker 1 so then Carl's kind of like that guy in motorcycle class who doesn't know how to ride, but shows up with, you know, a $100,000 Harley. It's like, girl.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Well, you know, back when I was going to college, when I was in my frat, we would have fraternity formals every term. And there was always this one DJ.

Speaker 2 I think his name was like DJ Lou Fucci or something. And he would,

Speaker 2 he would, he was from

Speaker 1 Lou Fucci.

Speaker 2 I think his name was Lou Fucci.

Speaker 2 And he would, you know, and he would be there with his press play and everything. And like, he would get on the mic the exact same way as college.

Speaker 2 Like, oh, now, ladies and gentlemen, go to the dance floor for the Sigma Phi epsilon special dance. I was like, okay, so maybe it's just like a New Hampshire DJ thing.

Speaker 2 Like, this is just what, like, it's just in the water of New Hampshire to DJ like this.

Speaker 1 No, that's part of that's part of the job, especially at like weddings and stuff. You are the announcer who's like, and now,

Speaker 1 mother of the bride,

Speaker 1 the dance with the mother of the bride. Let's check it out, everybody.

Speaker 2 Oh, I really hope his name is Lou Fucci.

Speaker 1 I gotta find him. I love that name.
Lou Fuci? Fuck, I'm calling him Fucci.

Speaker 2 I'm texted. I'm going to text friends.

Speaker 1 Lou Fuci, yes. So everybody comes and just like, girl, you look great.
That's like, you all are amazing. So then now they're trying to, you know, they're just making small talk at dinner.

Speaker 1 Kyle's putting salt on Sierra's steak. And she's like, are you trying to be salt bay?

Speaker 2 He's like, yeah, man. And he's like, because he's like, he's like letting it do like a little slalom course down his arm off of his elbow into her steak.
She's like, that's not how you do that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's doing the fancy, you know, the fan. Is his name Salt Bay? I guess that's his name.
The fancy salt bay.

Speaker 2 I think it was that Kyle was doing it incorrectly at first. He was just sort of like, he was just elbowing the salt in.
And then you do the thing.

Speaker 2 I don't really, I had never gotten the appeal of the salt bay thing, but whatever. That's my hot take, guys.

Speaker 1 So clip it. Make it a clip.

Speaker 2 Put that on the gram.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 I love that you're starting. You're starting an internet war with DJ Lou Fucci and Salt Bay all in the same episode.
You're just like, burn it to the ground. Ben doesn't give a fuck today.

Speaker 1 Thursday, February 20th, the day that Ben stopped giving a talk.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 DJ Lu Fucci, what an icon.

Speaker 2 So then

Speaker 2 Jesse's like, so what'd you guys do today? And Gabby's like, we talked about you the whole time. It was...
way worse than it sounds. Carl's like, yeah,

Speaker 2 I love hat flip to Carl because when you take this type of burden on, they can go two ways with the steak. And Carl's like, yeah, I'll fail her.
I was like, really scary.

Speaker 2 Really scary making those things.

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Speaker 1 So they're making a lot of steak small talk and cooking small talk.

Speaker 1 And so Lindsay just goes, I'm cheers thank you carl for a dinner i'm not feeling uncomfortable he's like oh okay good because i was gonna ask okay and paige is just like um cheers to honestly how mature we are because god we're so comfortable being boring aren't we and the fact that we can all sit at dinner with no plot lines is a little bit awkward but it's not super awkward right so are we gonna start fighting now or what time's a ticking time is money okay time is money you know It makes me really appreciate that all those years of having to sit at the same table with Danielle really prepared us for lots of awkward moments around food.

Speaker 2 So, congratulations, guys. We learned something.

Speaker 1 And Wes is like, um, this is like the least awkward I felt so far. Check, I'm talking about you, actually.
So, yeah, we do a good job.

Speaker 2 Sorry. Sorry.
I have an update.

Speaker 2 I texted my friend and I said,

Speaker 2 What was the name of our D, our fraternity formal DJ again, Lou Fucci? And my friend said, Yep, probably still in prison.

Speaker 1 Lou Fucci,

Speaker 1 DJ Lou Fuchs in prison. And now, uh, uh,

Speaker 1 yard time is over. Let's please all head back to the pens.
Yard time is over.

Speaker 2 Oh, no, oh no.

Speaker 2 Here's a headline: ex-nightclub owner sentenced in murder for hire scheme. Oh, DJ Lou Fuchsi.

Speaker 1 Oh, no, that was an awkward bar, Mitzvah.

Speaker 1 Wow, wow.

Speaker 2 Okay, we'll circle back to that.

Speaker 1 His defense was, yeah, I murdered him with my beats.

Speaker 2 Mutt him on the dance floor.

Speaker 2 Everyone please got to the dance floor.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 2 Okay, I'm going to have to look into that.

Speaker 1 So Carl's like, well, I mean, it could get more awkward. It's only Friday.

Speaker 1 So Amanda's like, Kyle's like, what's awkward?

Speaker 1 And Jesse's like, I mean, look, they're sitting across from each other, which is cool. Like, Carl and Lindsay are still on opposite sides.

Speaker 1 I mean, Wes and Sierra are sitting opposite each other, but like, Carl and Lindsay are still on the opposite side of the table. So I guess there's that.
She goes, yeah.

Speaker 1 And West and Sierra still can't make eye contact. So

Speaker 1 that's fun. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I'm not going to do that.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Well, what do you think about, by the way, what do you think about his hairdo these days? What do you think about Wes's hairdo? And she goes, it sucks.

Speaker 2 I was like, thank you. Thank you for just saying it on on camera.

Speaker 1 No, it doesn't count because she still dated him when his hair was stupid and she didn't say a thing. You know what I mean? Like, it doesn't count just because you say it once you're broken up.

Speaker 1 If you said it when you were together, I would have respected that comment.

Speaker 2 His hair last year was stupid, but it wasn't like, to me, it wasn't like glaringly stupid. It just was like, okay, whatever.
But this, this haircut is beyond stupid. Like, this is a terrible haircut.

Speaker 2 Like, it's painful to watch. This is his, his tequila Katie, you know, orange haircut season, essentially.

Speaker 1 Do you think this is worse than the combed forward broccoli hair?

Speaker 2 Come on. 100%.

Speaker 2 Whereas Paige would say, 1,000%.

Speaker 1 1,000. 1,000%.
So Jesse's like, I mean, I thought it was awkward before, right? And Sierra says, it's so awkward because people try to be nice and then they put out a lot of press about shit.

Speaker 1 But like, you know what? Why don't you keep the same energy as your articles and shit, especially your New York Times article?

Speaker 2 Gabby's like, can we have wine? Do we have have wine? Anyone in wine? Should we have wine?

Speaker 1 Gabby's just scrunching down in her chair.

Speaker 1 So she's like, yeah, like, what about sending a text warning that you're going to drop another New York Times article saying, oh, actually, I didn't like her.

Speaker 1 And I should have just said that at the reunion because then that would have read better as opposed to like what I said at the reunion. Cause like that was a beta ass move.

Speaker 2 So then West is like quiet and he goes, he's like, well, we can have a conversation if you want to.

Speaker 2 So now he's doing this thing like, hmm like don't you're embarrassing me in public when he put out he did a whole article that went out you know to the nation so she's like well we're having a conversation and um wes are you saying you want to have a conversation privately can i help you out here a little bit he's like yeah mom that's what i want And Kyle's like, oh, selfishly, I want to witness it.

Speaker 1 Cause like, there's only so many speakers I can pretend to fix. So just do it here.

Speaker 1 Also, before when I was like, well, I don't understand why Sierra is so mad. Well, when she puts it like this, if he really said in this article, like, um,

Speaker 1 I didn't really like her and I should have just said that at the reunion, did he say, now listen, I know I could just very easily read the article, but I'm not going to give him that.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to, I'm not going to do that to my brain cells. I've depleted so many of my brain cells over the years with using, abusing, losing, and boozing.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to give him any more of my brain cells. He's not worth it.
But if he did say that in the article, okay, now I can totally see why she'd be pissed. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.
Absolutely. Um, so Kyle's basically like, just like nip this in the bud, you know? So she goes, well, okay, fine.

Speaker 2 So obviously we met up after the reunion, and I feel like that was fine and settled, and we could have been good. And he goes, yeah, and I've been respectful.
And she goes, no, I don't think so.

Speaker 2 You care so much about the perception of everything. And meanwhile, how embarrassing that you published an article to reiterate that you don't like me anymore.

Speaker 2 I mean, if you don't feel the same way, let a bitch know. I'll be done with it.
But it's just so fucking weak. It's a bitch-ass move.

Speaker 1 But now I'm confused again because I thought they were already broken up by this part. I'm so confused.

Speaker 1 Like if you already, meanwhile, if you publish an article to reiterate you don't like me anymore, I mean, if you don't feel the same way, let a bitch know. But I thought you guys were already there.

Speaker 1 Anyway, whatever. Team Sierra still.
I'm just confused about timelines. So West is like, well, I don't think that I meant for it to be taken that way.
And she's like, oh, okay.

Speaker 1 Then, well, you're a fucking loser anyway. With stupid hair.
Loser. Your hair's a loser too.
Stupid. And he's like, okay.

Speaker 2 And she tells us, you know, I'm talking, I'm getting even more pissed. And because you're saying nothing and you didn't think to come a little bit prepared based on the press you were doing.

Speaker 2 Like, I literally have nothing to work with.

Speaker 1 So Jesse's like, well, it's like, I'm trying to do a scene here. I'm trying to do a scene.

Speaker 2 Yeah, they're like, whatever. Didn't really work out so well.
And

Speaker 2 Sierra's like, yeah, well, that wasn't, that wasn't, guys, that wasn't that intense of a dinner. I mean, we've had more intense dinners than that.
Like, come on.

Speaker 2 Yeah, like, literally, Lindsay and Carl were engaged last year now look at them paige was just like okay next

Speaker 1 and gabby goes and she's pregnant don't forget that

Speaker 1 and she's like i love this steak so like they're kind of lame o's so don't even this is like not even as intense as it could be and lindsay's like um okay well um i have to take a shit And I don't have to often because I'm constipating because I'm pregnant.

Speaker 1 And this is like the first time in a month I have to take a shit. So do I have to fight right now? And they're like, oh, just go poop.
jesus christ she's like okay

Speaker 2 well that was like a real load off no pun intended like but but like i just now can close the door on lindsay being able to shit so it feels really good um should we clean up and play some music ah party carl's here guys yeah i'm gonna be able to enjoy this enjoy the summer like really a lot

Speaker 1 So Sierra is in emotional turmoil. So she joins Carl in the kitchen because that's where you go when you're in relationship turmoil.
And he's like, oh, thank you, Sierra.

Speaker 1 But I'm still trying to figure out out how my, I hope you're not feeling uncomfortable, was taken. So I need some time alone in here to do dishes.
So you can leave now.

Speaker 1 And she's like, You don't have to ask me twice, stupid.

Speaker 2 Yeah. It's like, you're dressed way too well, young lady.

Speaker 2 So Kyle is, then Kyle's like, wow. So Kyle goes up to Wes and goes, well, I can feel how much it took for her to say that.
And you going, sounds just not so great.

Speaker 2 And he's like, yeah, but I'm not going to fight with her in front of people.

Speaker 2 Bro, you're on a reality show.

Speaker 1 It's part of the job description yeah and car's like i get it i don't have to conflict well you know i mean silence though is probably not the way to go you're wearing a mic for a reason okay and jesse's like yeah it's not gonna make it go away you just have to like talk bro

Speaker 2 So he's like, well, I'm not here to tell anyone how to feel or how to react to something, but I know I'm not some evil dude who tried to ruin Sierra's life.

Speaker 2 After reading all the fucking backlash, I was like, all alone for all that. And I was fucking freaked out in panic mode, you know?

Speaker 2 And someone asked me if I I wanted to defend myself and I said, yeah, and I thought it was a relatively gentle article, but she read and I guess it didn't land the same.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm sure you were in bed the whole time with people, with fans of the show, sucker. Come on.
You were doing appearances every night. Stop acting like, oh my God, it was so hard for me.

Speaker 1 I had to go through all of that alone.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So then the girls were all the only blanket I had was the New York Times.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And it was the digital edition, so it was really cold.

Speaker 2 I don't think he did it to hurt Sierra, but I think he did it to serve his ego.

Speaker 2 And I don't think he realizes that when he served, like, this is what happens with people who are, who are like that, is they don't realize the sort of collateral damage that they cause.

Speaker 2 So Paige is like, they're all, all the girls are in a bed. And Paige is like, well, that was great.
That was a fun time.

Speaker 2 Alex is like, yeah.

Speaker 1 He's like, that was amazing.

Speaker 1 If they raised raised the monthly price for whatever that was, I would totally pay it.

Speaker 2 I would like and subscribe.

Speaker 1 She's like, I love nothing more than watching a man squirm. It's amazing.
That's why

Speaker 1 every time I'm staying in Charleston, I wake Craig up with an algebra question.

Speaker 2 And then Kyle's like, ladies and gentlemen, report to the awkward dance floor. No longer calling it club, send it, I see.
Just the awkward dance floor.

Speaker 1 So they go down there they start gathering down there and then me and the girls are getting ready and amanda's like wait guys apparently he was at lunch and talking about lexi the whole time like jesse's so in love he was like it's crazy that i was single last year and this year i'm not and paid just like it's been 24 hours you nut job jesus

Speaker 2 i'm gonna have to make another man squirm already so then um

Speaker 2 They all go to go to the bar. They go out.
They drink. They have fun.

Speaker 2 And then they come back.

Speaker 2 Lindsay comes back. Lindsay went out.
To her credit, Lindsay went out. She's like, I'm still going to go out.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 then they all get into bed and everything. And they're doing the usual late night stuff of making snacks and like French toast sticks and everything like that.
And then Sierra

Speaker 2 is in her room with Paige.

Speaker 1 My favorite was Amanda's. I think we need French toast sticks.

Speaker 1 Wow. She's like shaking the box of French toast sticks.
Amanda's really growing on me this year.

Speaker 1 She's really speaking to everything I love.

Speaker 2 She's having a good cut this season. And in fact, she says something later this episode that I really liked.
So

Speaker 1 Sierra is like, obviously, I didn't do anything the first half of the day, but like the second half really wore me out.

Speaker 1 Sorry to exhaust it.

Speaker 2 I'm glad that's where I decided to stop my summary. I'm like, and so finally we end at Paige and Sierra and Sierra's.
Sierra says the following, Ronnie, you have the floor.

Speaker 1 But it's funny. This is the part where she's like, I know this is toxic, but like even the sick part of me is like even though i just cursed you out like and i made a whole scene like let's make out

Speaker 2 you could literally only say this to me but i so fucking get it let me wait let me put this in a different phrase um 1000 percent

Speaker 1 So Sierra is saying, you know, like, of course, like, don't you think there's part of me that like wants to hug you and tell you it's going to be fine and like comb your hair? Yeah,

Speaker 1 but like my gut reaction is that way. But like at this point, I can't figure out if he even cares and feels bad or if he's just confirmed, uh, concerned with how he looks to the public.

Speaker 1 That's all he cares about. Don't get dragged back into this by his whininess.
Okay. I think as a nurse, too, she's she's probably wanting to like help heal him and fix him, you know, but you can't.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Some people are just too hit by the uh, they're too hurt, you know.
Sometimes you just got to push them off the bed and say, someone else needs this bed.

Speaker 2 That's right. Take the lessons that you've learned from Austin.
Do not get sucked back in.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 then Wes and

Speaker 2 Jesse are back and they're eating like nuggets and everything. And like Jesse really wants to go into Lexi's room.
He's like, but I can't just go barging in there. Like even for me, her boyfriend.

Speaker 2 So then he like calls her, but she doesn't answer. So he leaves a voicemail.
He's like, oh my God, even her voicemail is cute. Oh, hey, sorry, I didn't mean to leave you a voicemail.

Speaker 2 Can't wait for a koala hug. Okay, bye.

Speaker 1 So now Kyle and Namand Amanda are in their room and Carl's like, I'm just proud of Lindsay and Carl, you know, because they were like at the table and they talked about history.

Speaker 1 Like it made me happy, you know, like, look, we're a dysfunctional family, but like it takes away from what the summer is all about, you know, me getting shit-faced and pissing all over bushes at four in the morning.

Speaker 2 It's just weird because she's like pregnant before us. She's like, no, huh?

Speaker 2 No, it's not weird. If Carl and Lindsay had gotten married, I had a very, very strong feeling that they would have gotten pregnant before us.
It doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 He's like oh yeah so Amanda says like you know there was a time when I thought I would be pregnant by 25 and then when you're when you're 19 25 sounds great and then when you're 25 having kids by 30 sounds great but then when you're 30 you realize I'm still a baby and so she's really focused on her mental health and she's taking all sorts of different medications and some you can get pregnant on and some you can't and she's just more focused on finding something that works for her and finding one that she can take um and if she can get made pregnant possibly fine but like she's focusing on herself first and I am like standing ovation for Amanda.

Speaker 2 That was a wonderful moment, I think, that she had. And good for her for prioritizing herself before anything else.

Speaker 1 Girl, I think they're going to have to come out with sperm breathalyzer before she even lets one of those things into her. I mean, that thing's just going to be tripping all over the place in there.

Speaker 1 You know, you're not ready. So good for you for noticing.
So then Carl's like, oh, I have to go to a CBS.

Speaker 1 Well, you guys, should I come back with bagels for everybody? And Amanda's like, oh my God, that might be magical. You can actually serve

Speaker 1 Lindsay a representation of your personality, just like

Speaker 1 something that seems kind of good, but is just a center of void.

Speaker 2 Seems like it's everything based on the seeds, but it's just a hole.

Speaker 1 Inside is just vacuous.

Speaker 2 So hey, everyone, I got everyone bagels.

Speaker 2 Oh, Lindsay, I didn't have a chance to get you a bagel, but here's a nice long receipt that you can sort of turn into a bagels from cvs at the bottom it says i'm sorry if you're uncomfortable

Speaker 1 oh god oh god go going to cvs that like took a lot i like wasn't sure if i should say hi at cvs but i did i always felt good So then Paige is still in bed and she's like, oh my God, when we were at dinner last night, I don't know why, but it was so funny when Lindsay was like, thanks for dinner, Carl.

Speaker 1 But the page is so messy. She literally doesn't even care what's happening.
She's like, I started semester and it was so great. And Sierra's like, yeah, thanks for the dinner, almost ex-husband.

Speaker 1 She's like, Yeah, you'd have to drug me to say anything to someone that I used to be engaged to. Like, I would never even speak to them.

Speaker 2 Heavy narcotics.

Speaker 2 So, um, by the way, how are you feeling? You look like you're not happy right now. You're scowling.
And she's like, Yeah, well, I said what I needed to say, and honestly, I'm fine.

Speaker 2 I don't know how he feels. He doesn't need, he doesn't, he doesn't ever say anything.
He's like, Yeah, that's the thing. Like, I don't get that.
It's so stupid. And the haircut, gross.

Speaker 2 So, Sierra's like, Yeah, but legit, if anyone said my hair looked bad,

Speaker 2 she's like, I thought I hit him where it hurt.

Speaker 1 And Paige is like, I would cry. I love how they look at things because

Speaker 1 Paige is like, anybody I break up with or any, because she said this for years, right? Like, you would never see me talking to an ex. And I love that she's so dead.

Speaker 1 It's like, once you break up with Paige, you're dead to Paige forever. The end, you know? But if you talk about her hair, she'll cry.

Speaker 2 Like, I would die.

Speaker 1 That's how to get emotion out of Paige.

Speaker 2 So then Lindsay comes walking in and is like big sort of like overall things. And Amanda's like, so Lindsay, have you started buying pregnancy clothes or are you just managing to wear what you had?

Speaker 2 She's like, great question. Feels like it's sort of a leading question.
I feel like there's a trap, but yeah, I'm like, just getting clothes for me so far. These are just my own clothes.
Like, okay.

Speaker 1 It's amazing how like mediocrely you dress pregnant or non-pregnant. It's so consistent.
Congratulations, Lindsay. She's like, um,

Speaker 1 okay, I'm going to let you get away with that guac lady. So then

Speaker 1 Amanda and

Speaker 1 Amanda's, wait, Kyle's outside getting ready. Oh, so now they're getting ready for their big party, their big Fourth of July party.
And

Speaker 1 Wes,

Speaker 1 are there bagels down there?

Speaker 2 And they're all sitting there waiting for the bagels, which I thought was funny because I was like, you know, Carl was taking forever. They're all sitting, like, they're all sitting there.

Speaker 2 They've got their coffees out. They're on the kitchen island.
Like, we're waiting for our bagels. Where is Carl? Because, you know, Carl's like, okay, I've got to make a choice.

Speaker 2 sesame or pop a like what do people want i don't know there's like a lot right now it's like very stressful hold on i'm gonna call my mom i gotta call my mom and her and her and her pastor husband hi i just am like it's just like a lot right now it's just like a lot of bagels to choose from and i'm just like not really sure which one to choose i'm not sure it's like really rough i've been through a lot and i'm really not sure what bagel to choose so i just broke up with the bagels and i left them with checkout

Speaker 1 Left them with checkout.

Speaker 2 I'm just like so glad to like leave that behind me, literally, like leave the bagels behind me and I could just like enjoy my summer.

Speaker 1 i was cracking up at west though because he comes down still all sad he's like hi guys i just wanted to remind you i'm still like really sad about being here are there any bagels and sira sees him and she goes oh my god now he's acting like someone stole his goldfish

Speaker 2 So they're going to set up for this, like, they're going to have a, they're setting up their party and everything. And West is outside with the guys.
And he's like, yeah, it was really rough.

Speaker 2 And Kyle says, well, as awkward as it was last night, I know you were frustrated.

Speaker 2 I feel like there's going to be some opportunity today so because I don't want you to have this awkward tension it's kind of a bummer man so now West is like I don't want to have a conversation with Sierra I'm scared but I could go into any room last night last summer I wanted just like kick down the door and just like be fun and now I don't feel that way this summer I'm just like an outcast oh god so he goes to sit next to Sierra he's like um Can I sit here?

Speaker 1 Am I like allowed? Should I go sit on a trash gown somewhere? And Lindsay's like, um, I'm sitting here. I'm sitting here.
So Paige is like, um, who's coming to this party?

Speaker 1 So everybody's talking about who they're bringing to the party.

Speaker 1 And Lindsay's like, um, well, guys, I'm not coming to the party because I don't know if you have Instagram, but it was a huge week for me on there because I announced my baby and my partnership with Clear Blue.

Speaker 1 So I'm going to go celebrate that back home with a party called Clear Blue Pizza Beach.

Speaker 2 She's literally having a party to celebrate her Instagram announcement.

Speaker 1 And Carl's like, so Lindsay.

Speaker 1 She's so fucking Lindsay. She's like, I got 19,000 more followers and we're celebrating.
Sorry.

Speaker 2 I mean, the fact that Lindsay's not going to be here for the Fourth of July party, I mean, like, thank God, I can finally spread my wings and not have to worry about being disrespectful.

Speaker 2 You will never see someone wash dishes with as much carefree energy as I will have. I'm single.
I want to meet someone. I want to...
not talk to them.

Speaker 2 I want to be a little scared and go back into the kitchen and be like, safe place, safe place. I can't wait.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like like I want a day. I'm basically starting over again.

Speaker 1 Wow. What better place to find a healthy date than a raging alcohol,

Speaker 1 alcohol abuse party in the Hamptons?

Speaker 1 So then Gabby's like, um, I'm going with you too, because my sister's in town. So

Speaker 1 of course you are.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Gabby, you need to stay and make your own life, Gabby. Okay.
You can only be used so long as Lindsay's crutch. They all get thrown out.

Speaker 2 They all do. That ankle heals.
So Carl is like, so everyone, today is like classic Battle of the Sexes.

Speaker 2 And the boys are going to have this section of the lawn, and the girls are going to be over there. And like, our guests are going to be voting today on who has a better setup.

Speaker 2 The boys' party, the girls' party. Just when you do cast your vote, I'm just going to let people know.

Speaker 2 Please just be like gentle and tender with it because there's like a lot of emotions happening here. Thanks.

Speaker 1 Girls, if we're going to win, we have to like flirt with everyone.

Speaker 1 So they are going to have a big competition. So then Paige FaceTimes Craig and she's like, chicken, what's up? And he's like, hey, baby, just hanging by the pool.

Speaker 1 Craig, you're going to get skin cancer. Do you ever go inside? The only thing we've seen of Craig from the past year is being out in front of that.
Now, listen, that pool is something to be proud of.

Speaker 1 It's a gorgeous backyard, but you got to go live, Craig. Go live.

Speaker 2 SPF, bro. SPF, bro.

Speaker 2 So Paige is like, wow, it looks so freaking nice there. That was sarcasm.
I'm in the Hamptons. I have my own pool in a nicer house.
And Craig is like, wow, how's it going? It's good.

Speaker 2 It's just a little awkward. The first night, Lindsay announced that she was pregnant.
And then Carl came the next day. And honestly, they were like more normal than Sierra than West and West.

Speaker 2 So she's like, really, like, you know, she really lit up, lit into him and said his hair was stupid. And she's like, you're a fucking loser, and your hair looks fucking stupid.

Speaker 2 It was actually really hilarious. Okay, chicken, I think I want to break out with you by the end of the summer.
So just thinking about that, putting that out there in the ether, what do you think?

Speaker 1 I'm like, oh, wow.

Speaker 2 That's a lot to take on.

Speaker 1 So he's like, whoa,

Speaker 1 they had so much promise. And she's like, well, when are you going to come to the city? He's like, well, I can't come until next weekend.

Speaker 1 This week has been really busy, but like, I was hoping you could sneak away like during the week. And she goes, I'm to come to you.
Hold on. Let me open my iCal.

Speaker 1 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 Sorry. I have a lot going on.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I have a sponsorship with ABC Airlines, which stands for anywhere but Charleston. So I'll be flying all around the country to anywhere but Charleston.

Speaker 1 And she's like, mark the day because I'm going to say it. I feel bad for Craig.
Okay, that's all you're getting out of me. Interview over.

Speaker 2 I'm a completely different person than the person he started dating three years ago. I'm busier.
I'm not around as much. I have higher standards.

Speaker 2 I've changed my mind about a lot of things, like Craig, you know, and like marriage and moving and a baby. I went from saying, ew, I never want to have a baby to,

Speaker 2 I never want to have a baby. That's a big change for me.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I like, you know, she's basically saying, you know, I don't regret changing or having my wants changed, and I'm not going to apologize to it about it, but I do have to admit that, like, it sucks for him because I have changed.

Speaker 1 Like, I have changed my mind on a lot of stuff, you know.

Speaker 1 And so then Lindsay and Gabby leave, and now the decoration wars begin. So the girls are planning, and Carl comes over, he's like, oh, just here to grab a little non-alc, little non-alc.

Speaker 1 Something soft.

Speaker 2 And then Amanda's like, scram.

Speaker 2 So then they, so Wes goes up to Sierra's room. He's like, are you alone? And she's like, me? Yeah.

Speaker 2 What do you want? And so he's like, well, is this summer going to be fucking awful? She goes, hmm, I don't think it's fucking awful. I mean, it's pretty hilarious watching the squirm.

Speaker 1 So she's like, it's fun for me. Are you just going to get a stupid haircut every week for me to mock? Because I'm loving this.

Speaker 2 Great trend. He's like, but last night I don't think felt like you were moving forward at all.

Speaker 1 It's like, yeah, because like every time I do something or confront you in front of everybody, you like give minimal response. And he's like,

Speaker 1 but like we haven't even like talked since like December, January. And like I thought we kind of had closure.

Speaker 1 But the whole reunion was like, God, I mean, I just sounded like an idiot. And I'm like trying to figure this out day by day.

Speaker 1 And like, I know I'm not the best out of it, but I'm just a boy, a boy with a part.

Speaker 2 I'm just a boy standing in front of a girl asking her to not make fun of his hair.

Speaker 2 So Sierra's like, well, you could have been completely deaded coming into the house, but like you're putting out all this press like post-reunion when we could have just left it at the restaurant after we got drinks and you could have just left it at that.

Speaker 2 It's like, yeah, but if I would have known that that's what, if I would have known that talking shit about you on a national publication would have upset you, I never would have done it.

Speaker 2 If I had known that, I would have made it more peaceful. I wouldn't have fucking done the article.
But I think I felt like in defense, like for so long that anytime someone is like, hey,

Speaker 2 want to do an article? And she's like, yeah, no, no. That's, he basically starts to mutter about like, like, but people feel this way about me.
And then that sets her off.

Speaker 1 And he wants to defend himself or whatever. And she's like, yeah, but that's what I'm saying.
Like, you care what everybody else is saying, you know?

Speaker 1 Like, you're

Speaker 1 riding this wave. And like, people don't know us.
They don't know you. When you're up, you're up.
They kick you while you're down. And that's just how it is.

Speaker 1 He goes, well, I'm learning that now but like you know you don't really learn that until you get a new york times article

Speaker 2 he's like it's hard it's not perfect i mean i up and i'm trying to figure this out and apologize for saying things that hurt your feelings and i'm i'm not even ever even trying to hurt you it's just not my intentions if you know me i think you know i'm not trying to hurt you i'm just you know just trying to be in the new york times some more and i think one of the things that's the most annoying to her about it is when they when he kept trying to come on to her and stuff she was like look i we're on a tv show and i have already looked stupid on said tv show over a guy and i don't want you to make me look stupid and so

Speaker 1 she was worried about public perception as well that was kind of the point she's like i don't want to look stupid again and then he not only did it and made her look stupid but now he's turning around going but now i look stupid on tv and she's like

Speaker 2 off like i'm supposed to feel bad for you i warned you that's what you were doing to me and you did it you did it and now you're sitting here crying that everybody hates you like yeah so he's like well hopefully we can be around each other and she said she tells us i think that me and wes were genuinely friends yeah and it made it a lot harder when it ended because you're losing someone that you want to tell everything to and can i be friends with west again i don't know i really don't know what to tell you he's like she but she thanks him for apologizing everything and it seems like they end on like a

Speaker 2 on a conciliatory note maybe they'll maybe they'll patch things up but that's basically where the episode ends yeah having a conversation very funny very funny. Thanks everyone for being here.

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