#2958 The Valley S2E17 Part 2: Jaximum Impact

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Speaker 1 Well hello and welcome to Watch What Crappens. This is part two of a two-part recap.
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Speaker 2 So Jason is like,

Speaker 2 well, it wasn't like a private conversation from what I heard. It was a tirade he was on.
He was actually removed from the bar. Yeah, you know, it was, it was an out of character, not for Zayak.
Okay.

Speaker 2 And then Jax, of all people, goes, out of character. He's drunk all the time.

Speaker 1 Shut up, Jax.

Speaker 2 Weren't you the one who just was telling us about that drugs and alcohol destroyed your life? And also drugs and alcohol aren't problem at the same time.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So Brittany's like, yeah, but you know, he was yelling things.
I know he didn't mean it, but it did happen.

Speaker 1 And, you know, I knew he didn't mean it, which is why I ran right to Janet and told her all about it. And so, Janet, what's your response? She's like, are you sorry for that?

Speaker 1 Zach. And he's like, absolutely.
And I have apologized to you for that. She's like, well, before you apologized in person, you're behind my back saying she doesn't suck dick.
She doesn't do this.

Speaker 1 Fuck her. Fuck this.
You didn't seem sorry. You didn't seem sorry at all.
I was like, number one, that was like a year later and you called lawyers on me instead of having a conversation.

Speaker 1 She goes, well, then maybe don't drink in excess when you're blacked out. By the way, I'm reserving this very judgy puritanical talk for people who I'm not friends with.
Jax, you're still great.

Speaker 1 Can I cry at another one of your segments, please? I would love to cry about your victimhood some more. That would be great.

Speaker 2 Okay, well, instead of having a conversation with me and I didn't even know what I said.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but why would I have a conversation with you after you said that when I'm eight months pregnant okay I love I love that you like to make this narrative of everything because and she's like but it's you're not sorry and Andy's like well it's been over a year Zach has apologized multiple times is there a point where you can just forgive him for this or move past it or what you know and Zach is like Let's not do this.

Speaker 2 Let's not do this. Let's be clear.
I want to move on from this more than anyone, but I would also like to bring it up many more times.

Speaker 2 And I would like to get to a better place, perhaps literally a better place like Davon Buster's than this wretched set. But I need to see some things change.

Speaker 2 I need to see that you're not going to just be trashing me 24-7.

Speaker 2 That's a clip on here now for the commercial break.

Speaker 1 So Andy's like, Johnny, you and Zach made up instead of Barbara, but then at the Zen punch, she goes, oh, yeah, well, I won't make that mistake again.

Speaker 1 He goes, so why were you two not able to keep the peace?

Speaker 1 And she says that Zach, you know, he kept blaming her for the friendship thing with brittany and you know he felt like brittany and her weren't as close or it's him weren't as close anymore and so he should take it up with britney because i don't get involved with friendships like that and zach's like um when it comes to joint i know i don't know what voodoo craft she has or doesn't have over britney but it's correct

Speaker 1 she goes maybe i'm just nice maybe i'm a good person and maybe that's it okay maybe we have fun and britney's like but i love you jay you know i love you uh zach Zach. I love you so much.

Speaker 1 I love her so much. I just love everybody so much.
I love you. I love her.
I love that camera guy over there. I love you, camera guy.
You won't go out later. No, guy.
Guy, call me. You got my number.

Speaker 1 So, you know, I just love everyone. I'm just a peaceful person.

Speaker 2 But you can tell there's a level of jealousy. Oh, did you just call me jealous? Oh, Michael.

Speaker 1 Jealous of Johnny? No.

Speaker 1 She goes, yes, because you wanted Brittany to be your best friend. And Zach's like, no, Janet was on you to not having to hang out.
Oh, Janet was on you to stop hanging out with me.

Speaker 1 And Janet's like, oh, really? Did I tell you not to hang out with him, Brittany? And she goes, well, yeah, a couple of times. She goes, oh, really? So I asked you if you were hanging out with him.

Speaker 1 That's very different. When I say Brittany, are you hanging out with Zach? Because if you are, I'm never hanging out with you.
That's different from saying don't hang out with Zach. Is it not?

Speaker 1 Is it not? Threatening to not hang out with with you if you hung out with him is different than saying, I don't hang out with him. That's very different.

Speaker 1 One gives you a choice in this situation, Brittany.

Speaker 2 What happened on your birthday? Can I talk now? Okay. What happened to your birthday? Did she take down her posts? And Brittany's like, yes, I did.
I did take down my post. No, no.

Speaker 1 She says that Janet did because Janet put up a post, like a happy birthday post for Brittany. And then she got pissed and took it down.

Speaker 1 And so she's like, you know, Brittany had had all, she said, well, Brittany had only communicated to me that she was taking a break from Zach. She wasn't ready to talk or see Zach.

Speaker 1 And then she went and saw Zach. So yeah, I got pissed.
Okay. So you were telling Brittany she couldn't hang out with Zach.
I mean, what the fuck else is it, Janet? I'm like, stop lying.

Speaker 1 Just own your shit. Like, you'd be so much more entertaining if you just stop your fucking lying.

Speaker 2 Yeah. So Janet's like, well, you know what? From my perspective, Brittany was like, I'm not talking to Zach.
I'm mortified by the things he said. It's not okay.
It's horrible.

Speaker 2 And if I ever talk to you again, like that was the tone. That was if I ever talk to him again, DOC.

Speaker 2 And Brittany's like, listen, Zayak, Zayak, I did tell you it was bad and I was honest with you about it. And I love you, honey.
I love you.

Speaker 2 But you know, you are lowest on the toe and pull of people whose backs I can hang. That's just how it is.
That is the role of the guy sidekick to the female star. You know that.

Speaker 2 So Andy's like, well, Kristen, you're tight with Zach and Brittany. How do do you think Brittany has been as a friend to Zach versus Janet in the past few years?

Speaker 2 I think she's a great friend to both, but I know that if Zach makes any comments or there's anything like that, Brittany immediately is like, don't.

Speaker 2 But then I also know Janet will talk shit and Brittany doesn't say stop. Sorry, Kaka, seriously.

Speaker 1 And Janet's like, yeah, but I don't talk shit about you two to Britney. Okay, well, we know that's a lie because of what just happened on the stage.
So. I can't even listen to her sometimes.

Speaker 1 So Kristen's like, well, you've literally told me about group techs that she's talked shit about me before, Brittany.

Speaker 1 And Janet's like, well, there's been plenty of times you've gone to Britney and questioned why she's friends with me.

Speaker 1 I'm sure the fucking mailman goes to Brittany and asks her why she's friends with you. Who wouldn't? The checkout lady at the Ralphs is like, are you friends? Why are you friends with Janet?

Speaker 1 Girl, I watch your show.

Speaker 1 Why?

Speaker 2 Why? So Kristen's like, I don't speak ill of you.

Speaker 1 Well, I'm just

Speaker 1 asking.

Speaker 2 They all talk ill about each other all the time. So, you know, I just think that asking why she's hanging out with me is speaking ill.
And like, why are you friends with her?

Speaker 2 Or why'd you invite her to this? Why not me? Like, she doesn't need that. Zach, is your head about to explode? I have never made her cry, Zach.
No, his head is about to fall off.

Speaker 2 Everyone, can we get a net? It's about to fall off his neck. I can see it.
It's swiveling so much. No, it's, I've got my neck, and my head is fine.

Speaker 2 You are literally turning around on her when you are the one that constantly goes to Britney. Constantly, why are you friends with Zach? Zach's here.

Speaker 2 Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Janet says, you got you, you're the ones who talk about me and say, why is Janet invited and not me? That's talking bad about me.

Speaker 1 No, they're not invited because you say I won't go if you invite them with me. That's why they're not invited, hence why they're asking the question.
You see how she twists things around?

Speaker 1 It makes me so fucking crazy. So she's like, so it's like, I'm like, literally going to start crying.
I'm like, literally going to start crying right now. I'm like literally trying to stop myself.

Speaker 1 Brittany's like, oh, honey, I don't want you to leave film a certain way about me because say, I love you. I love you, honey.
Boy.

Speaker 1 All right, I'm going to switch gears because I cannot believe people are actively fighting over Britney. That's hilarious.
All right. After unquirking.
All right, let's just get to it.

Speaker 1 Zach, when you are on the bus of the winery, Jesse was twerking on you guys. Let's all vote.
And they're like, he sucks at dancing. So then Britney's like, I thought Jason was going to whoop his ass.

Speaker 1 I thought he was going to whoop his ass.

Speaker 1 So, Jesse, you called Michelle an escort.

Speaker 1 How do you think she was going to react to that? He's like, you know,

Speaker 1 I thought about that. I'm sure you have.
And I, you know, I should have offered a white flag before offering a conversation, before we went into the house, maybe.

Speaker 1 He's like, well, why did you get so emotional that you had to leave and go to your room at the healing circle?

Speaker 2 Well, you know, I've been a really shitty person.

Speaker 2 And part of not being a shitty person anymore is having a performative moment where you cry when you have a chance chance to cry and you strip down to your baggy gray tidy whities.

Speaker 2 Maybe I would call them Lucy Whiteys. I don't know.

Speaker 2 But like, I would hope at all times that if Michelle can't think of one nice thing, she could at least say, I'm a great father and that I love Isabella.

Speaker 2 And the fact that she couldn't even bring that up, it just really kind of, it hit me. And I thought.
This would be a way to gain sympathy with the audience. And I think it worked.
I think it worked.

Speaker 1 Hi, you were just calling your child's father a whore or your child's mother a whore. That's not being a good father.

Speaker 1 I don't know what planet you're on that that counts as being a good father. You don't work anymore.
You spent all your money and you had your wife and move out of the house.

Speaker 1 You had the child's mother move out of the house. How do you think that makes you a good father exactly?

Speaker 1 I'm still confused about this.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And Janet's like, yeah, it's kind of hard to offer a compliment right after all that happened. He's like, 100% it was, but it was a great time to cry.

Speaker 2 Michelle's like, you didn't even have a conversation with me. You didn't call me.
You did not tell me you'd be handing out very small little white flags as a joke that we were supposed to laugh at.

Speaker 2 He's like, well,

Speaker 2 we have apologized left and right. She's like, no, we haven't.
Well,

Speaker 2 they're like, just say sorry now, Jesse.

Speaker 1 Now it's a fight of like who said sorry, when they said sorry, when they should have said sorry. So he's like, but I have said sorry a million times.
And Michelle's like, nah-uh.

Speaker 1 And Jesse says, and, you know,

Speaker 1 and now I have to worry about the fact that I said that and Isabella might be bullied for it someday

Speaker 1 I really regret saying it 10 times on camera you know yes

Speaker 2 and now Isabella might get bullied she'll if she gets bullied it'll be from

Speaker 2 for you not for this stupid thing so Michelle is like uh why don't you worry about that because your clients have told you about that they've called you that's why you worry about this.

Speaker 2 So he's like, no, no, no, they absolutely haven't. All right, Michelle.
I want to know about the gay guy that he was selling, that was selling money to Jesse.

Speaker 2 Jesse goes, okay, I can tell you about him. Okay, we spent like three summers with him at the house.
You know, trading handies under the table once in a while. No big deal.

Speaker 2 Went to Capri, got some oral, maybe three times, four times. I don't know.
It was great. It doesn't count.
It was Italy. I don't know.
He sent me money on my birthday. I sent him a dick pic back.

Speaker 2 What's the big deal? Can we move on?

Speaker 1 Were you blowing him for money? No, we're friends. Okay.
He was one of like 52 people at our wedding. Okay.

Speaker 1 I had a, you know, Venmo QR code on my suit. So can I stop the guy? I cannot.
Can I come in his face? I can. I mean, Jesus Christ, is this a free country or not?

Speaker 2 Suddenly you bring knee pads to your own wedding and tell people to line up and give you some money and it's a crime.

Speaker 1 I don't know what's going on anymore it's not whoring yourself if you take donations after teabagging somebody it's only whoreism if you take money after teabagging somebody do you understand do i need to have a lawyer call you or

Speaker 2 so basically michelle winds up clarifying that it's like you know like

Speaker 2 I may know someone and you're saying that because I know this person, that makes me a high-class hooker hooker who's getting $1,500 a night when you know a gay guy who sent you money and like, I could say the same thing about you, but she's not saying it just make, she makes it sound like she's accusing him of having some sort of illicit relationship.

Speaker 2 But what she's actually really illustrating is, you know, you also have relationships that like a craven narcissistic person could twist and turn and make look like they're way worse than they are, but they're completely innocent.

Speaker 2 And that's what you did to me.

Speaker 1 Right. That's the most innocent way of putting it.
But she did, she did make, she did want to make it sound like he was the one whoring around because you know what it is called? Did for dad.

Speaker 1 It is did for dad.

Speaker 1 So Jasmine's like, I mean, I mean, I was like, whoa, whoa, why are the gays being brought into this? Do you know how much that hurt me, Michelle? Like, that really hurt us. That like set us back.

Speaker 1 Like, we need to talk about this. You're going to be apologizing for this 19 times next year.
So just wanted you to know. Just just putting it out there.

Speaker 2 So then

Speaker 2 they're talking about the guys' chat. Jesse's like, honestly, I never should have said it on guys' chat in the first place.

Speaker 2 Michelle's like, and it wasn't to smoke out a mole because he could have literally said anything. He knew that by saying that it was going to be on the season.
So what did you want to do?

Speaker 2 You wanted to ruin my reputation. So Jesse's like, well, you know what? I sent the text and I was like, shit,

Speaker 2 I'm so embarrassed. Well, then I wrote, maybe I'm just going to try to smoke out the mole.
And then they're like, and you've smoked him out anyway?

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Speaker 1 So now they're having a little chat between filming starting at commercial breaks and

Speaker 1 Kristen's joking with Jesse.

Speaker 1 And then Andy gets back into it. Danny, there was a lot of talk about your drinking this year and that being a problem.
What's going through your head as Jax talks about his struggles?

Speaker 1 And Danny's like, well, I'd have to rewind because, you know, going into the season, Jax has said he was going to be coming after me. He did say that.
He did say that.

Speaker 1 So I guess I knew it was coming in some way.

Speaker 2 And Jax's like, yeah, you know what? I'm truly sorry about how I handled that. I mean, Danny, Mia.

Speaker 1 Yeah, okay, it's okay, Jax.

Speaker 1 Jax is sorry, everybody. Can someone bring Jax an ice cream cone? He apologized again.
That's great. It's about number 76 in the past 15 minutes.
Great. Thanks.

Speaker 2 Even before the show, they would always call me. They'd say, happy birthday.
How are you doing? And even a rehab. They're just the sweetest and nicest people in the world to me.
And

Speaker 2 that was a terrible thing for me to say. I mean, you've always been the nicest guy um i'm sorry man i'm sorry bro i mean whatever

Speaker 2 danny's like i mean before the summer started you said you wanted to take me down well i didn't say take you down because you're already pretty short you know but i said i wanted to hurt you you see you're doing it again jack it's just not nice i mean you're like a brother to me man you're like a brother to me man

Speaker 1 He's like, come on, man. Own up to your stuff.
And Jack is like, well, well, that's the pot calling the kettle black if I ever heard it.

Speaker 1 You just apologize, Jax. Just stay on the road.

Speaker 2 See, like, that was pretty quick for the pivot. I mean, even for Jax, that was a quick U-turn right away.

Speaker 1 So Kristen's like, wait, why'd you want to go after him? Why'd you want to go after Danny? And he's like, I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 1 Maybe because these fuckers are the only people who get a decent edit on this fucking show. Maybe that.

Speaker 1 Maybe because these church going little fucking motherfuckers get everything, get out all the love for doing nothing on my show. And he's like, you told us why, though.
It's not even a mystery.

Speaker 1 You said that you didn't like your edit in season one, and you said that you felt like we got a good edit. So you were going to come for us.
And Jack's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 Okay, wait. We rewind that.
Let's rewind that. I was told, I was told that they get protected on the show.
I was told that. So I was just saying something that I heard.
So it's not really my fault.

Speaker 1 It's like, I'm a narcissist. I can't help it.

Speaker 2 By the way, I hate to come to Jax Taylor's defense, but his whole thing about Colin Kettle Black was a flashback. It did not happen during during the reunion.

Speaker 2 We just both read it like it was an active conversation, but it was not

Speaker 2 just read our notes.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 But the fact that we both believed it and were not like, we didn't think, wait a second, are we in a different part of the season right now? Shows that it's like totally Jax never changed.

Speaker 1 It doesn't even matter how many breaking jokes from literally 10 years ago, and it would be the same fucking story with Jax. Just read the, just read the same reunion notes from season three.
Exactly.

Speaker 1 I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
I can't help it. You know, I'm trying.
It It was, I'm a work of progress. I'm a new Jax.
You know, I'm really, really good to try, guys. I'm really good to try.

Speaker 1 Just please forgive me. Please, guys.

Speaker 2 So Neo's like,

Speaker 2 how do we get protected? We don't know anyone at Bravo. It's like, this is an apology, guys.
I'm apologizing. I'm sorry.
I'm sorry. I don't know what else to say.

Speaker 2 I'm sorry that Danny molests people and has a drinking problem. I'm sorry that I brought that up.
I shouldn't have done that. You guys are being protected, and I should see that as a good thing.

Speaker 2 I shouldn't be jealous that you guys are doing that that that danny uh i don't know maybe goes out late at night and and uh beats up people i don't know i'm sorry i'm sorry that he's got a whole other second family am i saying these things i'm sorry i just said that guys you're still doing a jack why are you chill doing this jax i don't know it's an apology man let me have my apology bro And Danny's like, but I wanted to be your friend, man.

Speaker 1 You were like a brother, dude, a brother. And he's like, yeah, yeah, I know, bro.
And he's like, but you just took my face and you dug it into the dirt.

Speaker 1 And then you just kept going on and going on and trying to ruin my character and my name and my marriage. It sucks, man.
Four into three. Four into three.

Speaker 1 And Jackson's like, I know, but you know, like, I don't expect you to be my friend tomorrow, but like, I just want you to know that from the bottom of my heart, I'm so sorry. So, so sorry.

Speaker 1 And Zach is like, why does anybody believe what he says? Why? Why does anybody, I hope he miscarries. I hope he miscarries.
And Danny's like, oh, thank you. Thank you for that apology.
Okay.

Speaker 1 So that's done.

Speaker 1 So now, Danny, when you were in in the pantry and you took a swig were you trying to hide from the cameras from nia from the group or what danny's like well mainly from cameras i knew i was going into this i was

Speaker 1 jackson said what he had said so i knew you know if i was going to be drunk i had to hide it

Speaker 2 it's the healthiest way to be drunk i found

Speaker 2 so andy's like he's and he's like nia did you take issue with the person danny becomes when he drinks um there's definitely times where i'm not happy with Daniel, with the way he is when he drinks.

Speaker 2 And obviously, sometimes he's hilarious. Daniel, he is.
Daniel has a great Susie Kurtz impersonation when he drunks. You should hear it sometimes.
He's very funny.

Speaker 2 But sometimes he gets under my skin and it's annoying. But I love him.
And I know who he is. He's the best.
He's a great person overall.

Speaker 2 You know, and he's not like going out drinking and getting drunk all the time. We have kids.
Okay, so do you think he's always odd with you about drinking and how much he's had?

Speaker 2 I mean, we always check in. And it's like, there are moments where I'm like, okay, too much.
But, oh, you know, the next day we have conversations and get back on the same page.

Speaker 1 And Jason's like, yeah, whoa, whoa, I think that's great. You know, you should support your husband, but instead of taking accountability, it's like, where's the boogeyman?

Speaker 1 You know, like, where's the scapegoat where I can blame all of this on? You know, like, it's all Janet's fault. You know, Janet's the reason for all this happening.

Speaker 1 No, the fact that Danny has done some bad things, it's all Janet's fault.

Speaker 1 No, it's that Janet didn't stop and kept going and going and making it bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger every single episode. Probably to lift up Jax.

Speaker 1 Like, who even knows what her motivation is? But he's like, yeah, you know, like,

Speaker 1 why can't anybody articulate what Janet has done? Why can't you fucking listen? They have articulated it. She gets in the middle of shit.

Speaker 1 She tries to ruin everybody's reputation for fun to get herself a storyline. And her only personality is stolen from betters from seasons past.
What are you not hearing, sir?

Speaker 2 So Nia's like, oh, we loved you guys so much. Like, really cared for you, Janet.
And I think the place that it's coming from, like,

Speaker 2 is it from a place of concern? Like, you're the only person who's perpetuated the conversation. So, Janet's like, you know what? I came to you

Speaker 2 at a girl's night, and I said, if you were struggling with him with alcohol or whatever issue, you know, like just huge amounts of substance abuse and booze and inappropriate behavior, sexual assault.

Speaker 2 The list goes on and on i think we all know i think we all saw it everyone so you know like we have friends that will support you and bring it up a few more times just in case you need some more support about it and maybe after that bring it up a few more times and then maybe talk about some to some other people maybe add a few other little details in there and if that's you know if that's what you're going through you know and then you bit my head off you bit my head off for saying that And she's like, yeah.

Speaker 1 And so, of course, Danny's calling me a snake. So at that point, it's like, of course, I'm going to keep talking about it.
I mean, you guys are blaming me anyway.

Speaker 1 I might as well just keep talking about it.

Speaker 1 That doesn't make sense.

Speaker 1 That's a new

Speaker 1 angle.

Speaker 1 Your arguments suck. You have no justification, literally, for what you did ever.
So Danny's like, well, first of all, I called you a snake after you called me Darko Danny and Darkside Danny.

Speaker 1 And she's like, well, I think Danny Darko is actually better named than Darkside Danny, but that's just my vote. And he goes, well, that's a trigger.
So I called you a snake.

Speaker 1 And she's like, well, it's easy to be triggered when you're drunk. So keep a level head and you won't be so triggered.

Speaker 1 Really? Because your husband is supposedly sober and he's like shaking next to you. So it's...

Speaker 2 Well, it's easy to be triggered either way when someone's calling you a name. Especially Darko.
You know how I want to be in that movie. So badly.

Speaker 2 So Andy's like, all right, well, between seasons, a boozy Halloween incident with Danny at Jackson's bar sparks tons of chatter. Okay, let's talk about the grope that heard around the world.

Speaker 2 Okay, how are you two able to work through it so neil's like um

Speaker 2 well it's something we do in our relationship is that when there's an issue we address it head-on so once brittany called me and filled me in because danny didn't fill me in head-on it was great so we talked in therapy and you know we got through all of it and we made sure we got back to a good place end of story moving on

Speaker 1 Well, Brittany filled her in because Danny was supposedly blackout, right? So that's why she had to fill her in. So she's like, and then we went to therapy.
We went separately. We went together.

Speaker 1 We talked it through. We wanted to make sure we were back in a good place and this wasn't a thing.
So Danny's like, well, yes. And then, you know, I don't remember that.
So I was completely blackout.

Speaker 1 I don't remember being at the bar. So I remember waking up on the couch.
So I just want to make sure everybody understands it's not a drinking problem if you don't remember it.

Speaker 2 It is sort of a weird, um,

Speaker 2 weird excuse.

Speaker 2 I just, I look, I was just shit face beyond shit face that's it you know so jazz now they get into it um about how like then then danny reached out to jasmine right away then jasmine's like no nia reached out to me first and then it was like okay danny had texted but nia had called we're getting into this and jasmine is you know says all the stuff and nia says that she checked in and andy is like so what the apology like like you didn't feel like that was genuine and jasmine says at the white party the problem was that when they sat down Danny's first reaction was oh are we doing this right now

Speaker 2 and then we see the the footage of him being like oh I didn't think this was coming up tonight so that rubbed them the really the wrong way because then they're like oh like suddenly we have to be on your schedule when we want to air our grievances to you

Speaker 1 yeah so what do you think about that

Speaker 2 I think they're right. I mean, I think they're right.
I mean, obviously it's being brought up because it was, it was like the season premiere and they're going to talk about things.

Speaker 2 But I also, I can imagine why, um,

Speaker 2 if you're like, listen, I want to, like, I want to talk about this and someone has that vibe, like it would maybe put me off a little bit.

Speaker 2 I think, though, the subsequent conversations they had over the course of the season were really productive and good ones.

Speaker 2 So, uh, like, but no, if they're, if, if the question is about, like, what Danny should have said or not said, I don't know.

Speaker 2 I, I, I imagine he probably said, I probably, I imagine he probably said it like a joke, like, oh, whoa, I guess we're having a serious conversation right now. And

Speaker 2 she took it as something else. And I don't think it's wrong that she took it that way.
I don't think it's wrong that he was nervous and made a joke, but it obviously spiraled.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I think he was probably pissed because he was like, I thought we discussed this and now you're going to be bringing it up on camera.
Great. You know, so I think he was probably like, fuck.

Speaker 1 And he's just too

Speaker 1 new

Speaker 1 as a reality person to know that, of course, they're going to bring it up on camera. What do you think you're doing here, sir?

Speaker 1 Of course, she's going to bring that up on camera the second she gets a chance because that's kind of your job. So she's like, I mean, what, what, like, what am I doing to you?

Speaker 1 Like, I can bring it up if I want to. I mean, it happened to me, you know, and Melissa never got an apology to her face.
So like, she wanted an apology to her face.

Speaker 1 So it was like, you know, and we hadn't seen you for months. And so his argument is like, but I thought we were good.
We'd seen each other multiple times. And she's like, no, no, we didn't.

Speaker 1 And Nia's like, yeah, we've seen each other. We'd seen each other since Halloween by the middle of the summer.
And she's like, nope, nope. And they're like, yes, we have.

Speaker 1 So basically they're saying, I thought we worked through this and now it's almost a year later, but you're being sure to bring it up like it's something fresh and new and you've never gotten an apology for on camera.

Speaker 1 So, I mean, I can see why they would be annoyed with that. But at the same time, after what he did, she can bring it up every fucking day as far as I'm concerned.
Jasmine can.

Speaker 1 It bothers me when Janet uses it as a weapon because it's not her her thing, you know. But Jasmine, you know, it gets kind of annoying that it's like he apologizes, then she forgives him.

Speaker 1 Then she's not, then she needs another apology. Then she needs another apology.
Then she needs another apology. But, you know, she's the one who went through that shit with him.

Speaker 1 So I think he's just going to have to shut his fucking mouth and just say he's sorry over and over. And he's been pretty good about it.

Speaker 2 He has.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's been pretty good about it. But yeah, I'm not mad at Jasmine for bringing it.
I get annoyed.

Speaker 2 I'm not going to lie that she brings it up over and over, but I also think it's her right so just yeah but it gets brought up it gets brought up whether it's janet or whether it's the show whether it's andy cohen it gets brought up and then she has to explain it and then she is the one that's like people are like why don't you just get over it and it's like it's like you guys keep bringing it up she i mean she had a scene she like they had they had a scene where they they talked about it and well i mean i don't know you guys all saw the season so nia's like she's like well you have every right to and i think he just felt caught off guard and we're friends and he just he was caught off guard guard

Speaker 2 and she talks jasmine talks about how it was deeper and and then but then later on they had a deeper conversation which was better and we saw the flashback to that and jasmine was saying it she just was feeling like her relationship was less than because other people and and this is where i think she's totally right which is that like conversations get rehashed all the time on this show and on other shows.

Speaker 2 All the time, people like circle back to talk about something or they shoot a scene because they know that's what the gig is. And, but with hers, it was like, oh, really? We're doing this right now.

Speaker 2 And like, whether he meant that as a nervous joke, which I sincerely believe he did, it landed with her like, oh, God, like the lesbians have an issue. Okay, I guess we'll do a scene.

Speaker 2 I think that's how she took it. And it triggered her and, you know, the rest is history.

Speaker 1 So Jason's like, whoa, whoa, whoa. You know, I'm really trying to hold my emotions together over here, but like, honestly, these khakis are itching.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Because honestly, that interaction was disgusting. And by the way, this is the interaction where Jasmine's like, we had a great conversation about it.
So, and then Jason's like, disgusting.

Speaker 1 And Andy goes, what interaction were you disgusted by? And Danny's like, you weren't even there. And Jason's like, yeah, well, you admitted what happened and I heard what happened.

Speaker 1 I'm like, what else do I need to know? I mean, Jasmine is still feeling a certain way about it. I was disgusted with you.
Disgusted.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And so Jason's like, you know, I mean, you know, quote unquote, I was taken off guard because you're still hurt.
Why are you still hurt? Insinuating, she did it for the show.

Speaker 2 And Nia's like, no, because not, not because you were still hurt, because she thought that he thought they had good communication were in a better place.

Speaker 2 You know, well, you can think anything, and when you're told otherwise, get over it. Jasmine's like, but I hadn't seen you, and it was like out of sight, out of mind.

Speaker 2 So then he's like, but we've seen each other. So now they're fighting again because Jason, Jason has never shown this sort of energy for anything that Jax or what's his face, Jesse, has ever done.

Speaker 2 When I would argue that they've done way worse things, I'm not saying the groping that Danny did. I'm not saying they've done something worse than that.
I'm saying, like, he's

Speaker 2 Jason is angry at the interaction at the white party, way more angry at that than any stories he ever heard about

Speaker 2 the Jax flipping tables, throwing bar stools or whatever. Unless I'm mistaken, if Jason said that, if Jason was mad about the grope, okay, legit.

Speaker 2 But like why doesn't he also have the same energy for Jax I guess that's the my big issue how does he not have this anger for Jax that literally everyone in the audience

Speaker 1 and Janet sits there crying during Jax's sob stories like they they support Jax a hundred percent that's why and also because I think Jason is mad because they're getting the bad rap for something they thought Dan they were like bringing this up on camera constantly to give Danny a bad rap so now that it's turned back and people hate Janet and Jason for overdoing it, basically overplaying their hand, he's mad.

Speaker 1 And so he's like coming in with this righteous anger. Like, well, why does Danny get away with it? Why is everybody else at fault when Danny was the one that did something wrong?

Speaker 1 Because you were trying to wield someone else's trauma as your own weapon against somebody that you thought had a good edit last year because your friend Jax wanted you to. That's why.

Speaker 1 Because you're a pathetic fucking follower and you have no feelings of your own and you're standing up for a monster, which makes you a monster as well.

Speaker 2 And Jax, by the way, if you think about it, Jax, still so shitty. He probably says, let's go after Danny.
You You know, he like, you know, Danny, he's a bad drinker. He, he's doing these things.

Speaker 2 He's groping, he's groping our friends, and he just gets away from it. Oh, and they're like the golden couple.
Danny and he, everyone loves them. They're pretty, they're nice.

Speaker 2 And no one knows the side of them. And I have to deal with all the shit.
So let's take them down. And Jason's like, sure.
And John's like, sure. I think you make a, I mean, you make a good point.

Speaker 2 Let's do it. So then Jason and Janet go and do it.
And then the moment that, hold on, the moment that,

Speaker 2 the moment that they are like, they go in, full guns blazing. They get it from the audience.
And Jax is like, I'm sorry, man. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 He just backs out and sells out everyone, right? Like, how hilarious. What a dip.

Speaker 1 Typical. Typical.

Speaker 1 So Jasmine, Danny's like, well, but on the after show, you saying,

Speaker 1 wait, so. Jasmine goes, but it's hard to hear you say, even at the after show, why would you bring this up again? It's like, like right there, that's a slap in the face.
That's a slap in the face.

Speaker 1 And Danny's like, well, what do do you mean? After the, on the after show, saying that you brought it up again?

Speaker 1 She goes, yeah, on the after show, you said something like, oh, I can't believe it was brought up again. And Danny says, but not by Janet.
But Janet is what I was talking about, not by you.

Speaker 1 And he goes, yeah, not by you. You can bring it up as much as you want.
It's Janet. And Jason's like, oh, you are such a clown.
You're such a fucking clown. You better never.

Speaker 1 And then he starts getting like, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, bro.
Like he's going to go kick Danny's ass. No one is scared of you, Donkers.
Sit down. Okay.
Penny loafers, sit.

Speaker 1 So Danny's like, are you kidding me? And he goes, no, I'm not kidding you. You better try it.

Speaker 1 So Janet is, Janet, by the way, and I'm really glad that Janet spent so much of this reunion stressing how, you know, coming for an eight month pregnant, an eight months pregnant woman can cause her to lose her child and how devastating that is.

Speaker 1 Totally comes for Nia while she's sitting there on the couch, eight months pregnant.

Speaker 1 And it's like, oh yeah, well, he's been appropriate and made women uncomfortable multiple times since, multiple times since, as recently as the Super Bowl. And Nia's like, Janet, that is a lie.

Speaker 1 Like, she finally gets her eyes out of Nia. And Danny's like, that is a lie.
And Nia's like, and you're really good at lying.

Speaker 1 So, don't, don't, don't. I don't know, but I'm terrified at Jason.

Speaker 1 Just terrified.

Speaker 2 Well, that was the end of the episode. We got one more left of this, this wild reunion.

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Speaker 2 We'll be back later this week with all sorts of fun recaps of Orange County, Miami, and who knows what else. So we'll catch you in the next one.
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