#2955 RHOC S19E04: Jo Way Out

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Speaker 1 We love you guys. Let's get on to Real Housewives of Orange County, season 19, episode 4, Judge, Jury, and Jen.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you know,

Speaker 1 ahead of this season, there was a lot of chatter, a lot of discussion about, well, mainly from the source itself. Tamara was

Speaker 1 like quit the show when they were in New Orleans, right? Something like, she left. She left.
She couldn't take it anymore. She quit.

Speaker 1 She quit, bitch. And never see me again.

Speaker 1 That's my opinion.

Speaker 1 And it's like, I think at the time, I mean, she said a lot of things which i didn't listen to but like i think we all assumed okay she was stressed about teddy etc which is obviously probably still a major factor but it's also clear that her shit is just not working anymore jen Just does not fall for it.

Speaker 1 Jen has Tamra's number on this episode and Gretchen has Tamra's number.

Speaker 1 There's two people that are just seeing through her and Tamara's manipulations are falling flat and she's losing her power and she just can't deal.

Speaker 1 So of course she left the New Orleans trip because Bravo has lined up basically two nuclear weapons against her, two nuclear kryptonite poison toxins,

Speaker 1 whatever it is. Two and a half because you've got Katie's husband as well, who is not standing for one ounce of shit from Tamara or Ryan, which is

Speaker 1 actually pretty good. Now, normally I don't love when the husbands get in the mix, but I think he did it in a very calm and collected way and just handed her ass to her very calmly and walked off.

Speaker 1 And I think that's allowed. Yes.
And also, by the way, shout out to our friend Kiki, who managed to be drawn into the mess of this show. Like, that is the dream.
So

Speaker 1 great, great work, Kiki.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I was proud of her. It's like, you go,

Speaker 1 Kiki.

Speaker 1 So we are still at Heather's terrible birthday party thrown in a televangelist compound

Speaker 1 with an all-brown theme. And

Speaker 1 the Chiron, as soon as we enter, says, Heather DeBrough's birthday party, and then underneath it said secondary observance.

Speaker 1 So, yes, we're here with evil-eyed Heather, and Shannon has just lost her mind. Katie,

Speaker 1 you are the worst person.

Speaker 1 You are worse

Speaker 1 than Alexis Bellino. Katie Janella, you illegally filmed me.
Illegal? Illegal?

Speaker 1 It's illegal. I am through.
We are done. We are done.
I am walking right out of here. Oh, are those kind of base? Well, I mean,

Speaker 1 I may just stop just to see what they've served. I mean, if Heather paid for all this, it would be terrible if no one even sampled the goods.
Okay, I'll be right over here.

Speaker 1 Can I take two? What do you mean I can't take two? You are the most, you are more evil than Alexis Bolino.

Speaker 1 And there's articles we talked about in Crappy Hour that were coming out this week saying after this episode, Shannon had to be sat down by production for abusing abusing the production staff

Speaker 1 everywhere here. Shannon just came back because, you know, timeline-wise, this was right after Love Hotel.
And so Love Hotel is when Joel Kim Booster did his whole tirade online against Shannon.

Speaker 1 And so she came back and I guess she's just keeping it going by just being abusive to everybody left and right. So she's when no one Shannon has

Speaker 1 that evil ponytail that she's coming for somebody. I would just hide in the bathroom if I saw her come in with that ponytail.
Hide. Yeah.
That's she means business.

Speaker 1 So Katie's like, well, I'm getting the blame for everything. So I'm going to leave.
So she gets Matt. Well, Matt's eating.
And she's like, this is just a waste of a good dress. So there, meanwhile,

Speaker 1 cheersing with hot dogs. And Heather does this whole like, oh, cheers.
I love a good hot dog. And then she smiles and tears right into the camera.
This wacky, funny Heather.

Speaker 1 She starts eating her hot dog like a corn on the cop because she has no idea what the sort of food is. She's like, look at me, a lady of the people.

Speaker 1 It's like, Heather, that's not how you eat a hot dog. Of course it is.
I studied this at Syracuse Acting School.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so she goes up to Katie and she's like, Katie, let's discuss this another time when I'm not getting good hot dog will from the audience. All right.

Speaker 1 This is what they call a ballpark wiener, and it's what people eat at games of balls of bass.

Speaker 1 So Gina's like, I genuinely genuinely like katie but like it's hard for us to be on the ounce because like i feel bad

Speaker 1 like i want to hear her out and see if it's like repeatable

Speaker 1 she literally says it i feel bad

Speaker 1 when she's the one who gets the ball rolling on all of this shit

Speaker 1 so

Speaker 1 um katie's like you know tells matt what shannon said and matt's like well it's stupid it's not true so just let her have her thing

Speaker 1 So Katie feels bad because she knows that Shannon was trying to help her. And then she hurt Shannon.
She feels really bad about that. So they're walking out.

Speaker 1 They're walking out now. So then we see a car and it's Tamra and a secret guest.
Who could it be? She's like, thanks so much for coming with me. It's a hard path.
So I'm just so nervous.

Speaker 1 I don't want to be around Ryan. It's just scary.
Oh, and I know you must be nervous too because it's been decades for you. Decades.
And we see it's Joe.

Speaker 1 And joe is not only found a ride with tamara she's found jesus thank god jesus is here gretchen and joe have brought jesus back to our televisions right in time for the trump era

Speaker 1 I at first went with Joe. For some reason, I mentally thought it was Lizzie.
And I was like, oh, that's a surprise. I was like, wait, no, that's Joe.
And they don't even really look alike.

Speaker 1 But like my mind was like inserted Lizzie in there at first.

Speaker 1 I love Tamra, who is so angry that Katie would allegedly

Speaker 1 have some sort of like interference with like Bravo Babe or something, like have a sympathetic phone call because Bravo Babe says that Tamara is like planting bad stories, whatever.

Speaker 1 Like that, that's like, that's Katie's biggest infraction is that she spoke to content creators.

Speaker 1 Meanwhile, Tamara is the content creator and she's bringing like someone's like ex, like, Tamara's being actively messy and then is acting like Katie did is the worst thing that ever happened to this cast.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And she's like, well, Heather said it was okay if I could bring Joe.
She said, oh, Joe, yeah,

Speaker 1 bring Joe. And if Gretchen's upset about it, that's Gretchen's problem.

Speaker 1 And then in the car, Tamara's like, can we just pray, please? Let's pray. And Joe's like, let's pray.
That's me, Joe.

Speaker 1 Prayer. I don't know if anybody remembers me.
I've become a big prayer since back then. So, dear God, I pray that our relationships can be mended, Lord.
And that is my last line of the evening.

Speaker 1 Thank you, you jesus

Speaker 1 dear jesus you found me at a low point in my life when i was just sitting on counters in 2005 and in coto de caso waiting for slate to come home and i would just bounce around the kitchen

Speaker 1 opening and closing cabinet doors just so remember when that's how they displayed that's how they portrayed how bored joe was jill's like i don't know if i can just sit here all day and then they have a long shot of her just opening a cabinet door and closing it and opening that was the pilot of this show because we re-watched it about a year ago and it was just,

Speaker 1 it was like filmed on like a Fisher Price camera as Joe opening cabinets and closing them. It's like, okay, do something to show that you're lonely.

Speaker 1 Should I open up the cabinet? Yes, yes, yes. Do more of that.

Speaker 1 So they pray and choir music is playing.

Speaker 1 And then we go back inside. The ladies are talking.
And Jen's like, so Slade, you haven't been around tamara right or conditioner anytime recently? And Slade's like,

Speaker 1 I don't talk now, but i'm just gonna shake my head and gretson's like have you met slate i have to keep him away from her you will eat her alive

Speaker 1 and so i'm stealing mad i'm steaming mad

Speaker 1 so tamara uh sees katie leaving outside and she's like oh wait you guys are leaving katie katie come back katie matt's like do not talk to her

Speaker 1 She's like, I don't want to talk about it. It's like, oh, I just want to make sure you're okay.
Come on, don't you want to go back into party? so I can humiliate you? I didn't get my chance yet.

Speaker 1 It's like, oh, please, you started this. Now you want to pretend like you care.
Ha, ha, yeller at me. Yeller.
So she's like, so it's my fault.

Speaker 1 Please, Ma.

Speaker 1 So it's my fault that I'm hot and that you recorded, Shannon. Kitty's like, you brought it up at my lunch where I was trying to move forward with these ladies.

Speaker 1 And then Tamara's just smiling in the confessional, that evil little Satan smile. She's like, oops, I I thought that Gina I knew about that.
I thought it was the conflict we had last year. Guess not.

Speaker 1 Oops.

Speaker 1 Katie's like, she has blood on her hands. If she was so concerned, why hold on to that information for a year? And Tamara's like, well, you got caught in something that's your fault.

Speaker 1 She goes, yeah, but I owned it, Tamara. I already owned it.
She goes, I've done nothing but be nice to you and be supportive of you. And she goes, you called me a cup fitness last year.

Speaker 1 I've never called you names.

Speaker 1 Tissue. soon too soon do you know what it's like to close the doors on your what floor gym too soon don't say cut fitness

Speaker 1 i've never called you names and you called me the sea word she goes oh yeah you just call bloggers you don't call names you call bloggers

Speaker 1 tamara i don't know how many more times i have to make this point but i will make it over and over again you are the blogger you have a podcast you're so mad at people planting stories you plant your own stories in your own podcast and put them out there for the world

Speaker 1 so inside shannon has uh yelled at somebody and so now she's doing the second part of her job which is wackily eating food she's like

Speaker 1 what is this what is this a buffet i'm always just allowed to eat anything here

Speaker 1 is this a spring roll why don't they call these winter rolls

Speaker 1 trying to get in my mouth

Speaker 1 Look at me. I'm wearing a chafer, a chafer lid on top of my head.
No one bang it like Kelly Dodd. Oh, seriously.
Oh, no. Someone just, who, who banged it? Who did that? That was not nice.

Speaker 1 Actually, I was doing a bit. I was doing a bit.

Speaker 1 So Tamara comes and she's like, I made it. Ha!

Speaker 1 And there's like, hello.

Speaker 1 Ha!

Speaker 1 Hi, buddy. It's me, I pray.
And Emily's like, oh, let me get my popcorn. Oh, ho, ho.
So her and Gina are like making a big game out of like, oh, we're eating popcorn. We're hilarious.

Speaker 1 Emily did very little this episode, and she drove me nuts every time she showed up on screen and talked.

Speaker 1 She's just like, you're at an amusement park and you're tired, and you're finally sitting down to have some shitty burger.

Speaker 1 And then she sits down next to you at the next table and is loud and annoying. And then leaves all her garbage on the table for someone else to clean up.

Speaker 1 Like, she's just like an annoying person at an amusement park who's walking slowly while you're just trying to get to the roller coaster. I can't deal with her anymore.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but I'm glad she found another food prop. So that's pretty, it's actually pretty impressive that she can do that every single time.
So Gretchen is like, oh, really?

Speaker 1 Showing up with Slade's act shows. She's not moving forward with me.
She's trying to poke, poke, poke at me. Poke, poke, poke.
By the way, stop poking on me, Slade.

Speaker 1 Jesus, get that, get that poke away from me.

Speaker 1 Why can't everyone just get along after I make everyone mad at each other? I don't care about none of this bullshit, but it's entertaining, okay? Because, like, you know what? Like, I feel bad.

Speaker 1 And Gina's like, I mean, and just right after saying, why can't everyone get along? Can't we just be nice? Gina goes, I mean, Gretchen looks like a fake person. Like, look at her.

Speaker 1 And Emily's like, yo, she dips herself in formaldehyde every night. Yeah, she looks like an Instagram filter from 2003.
She looks like a Barbie filter from 2003. And they start cracking up.

Speaker 1 First of all, you guys are digs. And second of all, Emily, you're talking about

Speaker 1 space and formaldehyde. Are you fucking kidding me? You look like you're going 80,000 miles an hour downhill without a helmet on.
What are you talking about?

Speaker 1 You look like you're trying to escape a phlobie that's trying to consume your entire body. You can't even close one of your eyes.
You've had different faces every single season.

Speaker 1 What the fuck are you talking about, new hip?

Speaker 1 We sat through and were empathetic towards an entire storyline about how you had to wear larger jeans than everyone else because it made you feel conscious about how the way you look.

Speaker 1 And now you're sitting here, you're just being so shitty right now. I mean, it's one thing for like us podcasters to do it, but this is actually supposed to be your girlfriend on TV.
No.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you guys, you guys suck.

Speaker 1 And you've made me stand up for Gretchen of all people. How dare you? How dare you?

Speaker 1 So then we go to Wacky Terry, who's stoned, and he's like, hey, babe. I was just congratulating Ryan that his name is Natalya because then Jen's name when they got married would be Jenatalya.

Speaker 1 That is very funny. That is very funny.
I think that we should pitch this to NBC Universal to get a spin-off on the HD network. It still is out there.

Speaker 1 God, what was their TV show that Heather and Terry had for one second, that pilot? Well, they had a pilot. It didn't get picked up.
What was that? Remember, she had a big party?

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Speaker 1 It wasn't the HDN.

Speaker 1 Advice with Heather and Terry. I forget what it was.

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Speaker 1 So then we go

Speaker 1 to the girls. Tamara comes up to the girls.
I'm saying, you guys, I just got a text. It texts about Katie outside.
Driving blood on me. Get the blood off of me.
I got a text.

Speaker 1 Oh, and Terry's like, Gretchen, can't can't you think can things be better with an apology? And Gretchen's like, um, she just walked in with Slate's X. Look how she's still being petty.

Speaker 1 Jen's like, they went through something. Then Antara went hard and she showed up in an FBI hat when stuff was hard with Ryan.
And she does things. And we all have to be sensitive all of a sudden.

Speaker 1 I don't think so. Homie, don't play that.
And Heather's like, I don't get that reference, but I don't throw people away because they're damaged. Only if they're poor and refuse to work for me.

Speaker 1 But when we just say, like, look in the mirror, work on it, Tamara. Look in the mirror, work on you.
Okay, okay, but she is. She is working on herself, but you're just too angry to see it.

Speaker 1 I'm not faulting you, but you can't see it. Possibly, do you have any money in your account?

Speaker 1 Hold it up to your face and maybe you can see better because right now you're seeing like a poor person. You're seeing poorly.
You have poor vision understand

Speaker 1 and just to follow up on your question of when do we say look in the mirror and work on it i do that every day to my maid look at that spot work on that

Speaker 1 Tamara had a life event. Give her a hot second.
Just give her a hot second. That's me.
You know, good old Heather just trying to look out for everybody's feelings.

Speaker 1 By the way, fuck that lady who abandoned her children. I hope she's gone from my party.

Speaker 1 Sensitive. So

Speaker 1 Emily's swinging around licorice because she's, Emily does that thing where she thinks she's so funny. When she's like, I think she almost thinks she's like a lady of the people.

Speaker 1 She's like, oh, look, look at me, Greek horse, swinging around my licorice. Look at all this fancy shit.
I'm like, go back to your amusement park, please.

Speaker 1 So then Emily's like, give me a Diet Coke, Gaston, Diet Coke. I'm like, she just mortifies me.
Why is she on Bravo? Yeah, she's terrible.

Speaker 1 So then Gretchen basically stymies Tamara's whole plan by coming right up to Joe and going, hi, Jo, nice to see you and giving her a kiss. And she's like, oh my God, Gretchen, hi, how have you been?

Speaker 1 So there's so sorry, but that's, that's already over. So Tamara lost that one.
And then Jen takes Tamara to talk and Tamara's like, or she's, she comes to talk to her a little bit.

Speaker 1 And Tamara's like, well, we've already talked, but she can say what she wants. Like, why does your boyfriend keep going after me on social media? Attacking me.

Speaker 1 It's like, Tamara, again, I know this is getting annoying, but like you can't complain about a boyfriend coming after you on social media when you have a podcast and you go after people on your podcast.

Speaker 1 Including her and her boyfriend. So yeah, people are allowed to respond to you, Tamara.
But this is amazing watching Tamara lose just issue after issue today.

Speaker 1 I mean, she's already, this is only the first five minutes. She got her asshole handed to her by Matt.
And with just one very innocent little line.

Speaker 1 Then she got her asshole handed to her by Katie as well. Then she walks in here with Joe.
Nobody cares. Gretchen makes up with her.
I mean, it's just one right after the other.

Speaker 1 We've had three and it's not even five minutes yet. And like the fact that Jen is going to be the one that really finishes her when Jen for two seasons was just such a sweet, nice pushover.

Speaker 1 Like her whole, Jen's whole thing was that like she's so gullible. And you're like, come on, Jen, wake up.
And then like last season at the end, like they, she had her Neo moment.

Speaker 1 She saw the Matrix and she started doing like the the slow motion kung fu. And now it's like, watch out, Tamra.
She is activated. I want to go see that.
Have you heard The Matrix?

Speaker 1 Is it that new place, the dome, or what's it called?

Speaker 1 It's like the, it's kind of like the sphere, but it's a movie theater in L.A. Really? In like Inglewood?

Speaker 1 I think Inglewood. And they're playing The Matrix.
You know what I love? Yeah, they made it like a big

Speaker 1 dome of

Speaker 1 kind of an event space. I really like it.
I'm going with you.

Speaker 1 Do you want to go to The Matrix? Let's go. I love The Matrix.
Oh, you do? I loved it it too. I mean, I haven't seen it since it came out, but I loved it as a kid.
Oh my God, I'm obsessed.

Speaker 1 Okay, so anyway, Gretchen's like, I'm going to be nice to Joe because it's not about Joe.

Speaker 1 It's getting rusty, Tamara. It's getting rusty.
So then

Speaker 1 there's Heather gets a speech. There's a lot of sparklers going on.
And Heather's like,

Speaker 1 Yes, Sargo. Go ahead.
No, go ahead. No, I was going to say, because Heather's like, hello, everyone.

Speaker 1 Welcome to my birthday party presented by the memory of Richard Marks, who sadly is still trapped in a closet in my basement. We couldn't find the key.

Speaker 1 So she's giving like her own little spiel to welcome everyone and the staff comes out with the sparklers prematurely and she's like, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Oh, it's some premature ejaculation.

Speaker 1 You know, after this event was done, she walked back. There was like, who was the one who decided to walk out first? You, get over here.
Get over here. You think you're clever.
You think you're smart.

Speaker 1 How many plates do you have at Nobu? You shall never, if you think you can do this to me, if you ever mess with me and my birthday celebration ever again, it will cost you a lot.

Speaker 1 And I am not just saying that. That is a threat.
Poor Alfredo walked out of there with his hair on fire. Now we'll see who's sparkling early.

Speaker 1 So she's like, well, you know, I would like to welcome you all to my birthday party.

Speaker 1 Premature ejaculation. You have just seen me not fire somebody.

Speaker 1 I just wanted to say I appreciate all of you. You are all my favorite things.
If Oprah ever told me to look under my seat, I would find you.

Speaker 1 I know, Oprah. Thank you.

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Speaker 1 so now they dance and shannon's like whoa i'm not gonna say i drop it like it's hot

Speaker 1 i drop it like it's 60.

Speaker 1 i'm sorry i i don't know if i understand this reference why do we drop what what are we what is the itch that we're dropping and like it's hot is this a song gina's like well i can drop it like it's lukewarm because like i'm here for a good time not a long time that was for you drake because like i don't want to like take advil when I get home because otherwise tomorrow morning I'll wake up and I'll feel bad.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So then the next day we see a close-up of a sign that says, for sale by Gina and Travis.

Speaker 1 So Gina's chopping pillows. She's, um, this is her HGTV moment.
Um, she's going to be selling a house and uh, she's like, Travis and I crushed in real estate. We did like $10 million in business.

Speaker 1 It's because you you had like most of that was elizabeth vargas's estate that she gave to you in palm springs

Speaker 1 because as far as we can tell you're now selling like a like a like a two-bedroom house at a retirement community bravo yeah

Speaker 1 we bring in our own grill like we're rocking and rolling and so you know how some some real estate people will put out like cookies and some will put out you know keychains with their face on on them or whatever we're putting out stress balls because like like straight it's like you gotta get you know it's like a metaphor because like you like gotta crush stress balls because like it's stressful but also like our thing on the show is that travis has big balls so

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't know if she really thought this one through. It's like, hi, welcome to our house.
Before we give you a tour, here's a stress ball to hold on to before you see everything else.

Speaker 1 It's like, what, what's, what's going to happen in this house? It's wanted. So if you see a ghost, just squeeze the ball and you'll be okay.
What are you taking? My blood pressure.

Speaker 1 The retirement home. What the fuck is this?

Speaker 1 Gotta squeeze the ball. What is happening here? Just go out waiting to stick a hose up my ass and check my colon too.
Jeez.

Speaker 1 So long I can't go through a house without holding a ball. I mean, enough already.
Enough.

Speaker 1 So, meanwhile. She's in a New York retirement community, apparently.

Speaker 1 Meanwhile, Jen and Ryan go to a dental place and the nurse lady is like, oh, doctor, they love their uppers so much. They want to do their lowers in time for a wedding.

Speaker 1 They just bring out the judge model. Bring out the judge model.
She wants to make sure she has a triangular row of possum teeth in case there are any predators in the front yard.

Speaker 1 Thank you so much. We really just want hammer teeth.
Ryan's like, yeah, we're addicted to our teeth now, which sounds kind of fucked up if you think about it.

Speaker 1 So Jen's talking about her, like, you know, it's like, what's the OC MILF list is boobs, tummy tuck, g-wagon, and veneers.

Speaker 1 So this guy, this dentist comes out who is just like, he's like in a brown shirt with like a random bow tie. Like, I think he was like trying to look like a certain sort of way for the camera.

Speaker 1 And it just was, he looked like he should have been selling like popcorn somewhere.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he was very like the

Speaker 1 backstory to Orville for sure. But

Speaker 1 he comes in and he lets them try on their lowers. I guess they have to wear them for a week to see if they like them or something.

Speaker 1 So they have like a mold that they put on and then they show a before and after of Jen's molar or Jen's bottom teeth. They're perfect.
They were perfect before.

Speaker 1 Like, why does she, and they look exactly the same with the veneers? I'm confused. Are they just like, are veneers better because you don't have to take care of the porcelain as much? Or is it easier?

Speaker 1 I'm not sure. I just was really distracted by that hair clip that she put in right in front of her lower right tooth, just hanging out Tamara's hair, just right there.
I was like, really, girl.

Speaker 1 I just want to get one of Tamara's breast implants put in to my teeth. Is that possible?

Speaker 1 Single white dentures. So back over at Gina's.
Gina's like, oh, Tamara might stop by. I don't know if she qualifies all.

Speaker 1 So she shows the house and a guy.

Speaker 1 like what what i'm supposed to squeeze it ah come over here honey no not me okay all right and what is this supposed to be you where's the lady from the picture i just want to see the lady from the picture that's me no no the hot one that's me no no this one right here it doesn't look like you what are you her mother get her out of school tell her to come say hi to daddy

Speaker 1 Okay, so I'm just going to ask you to take a seat on this chair here, and I'm just going to lift you up to the second floor. Okay, goodbye so then

Speaker 1 my grandma used to have one of those and i loved it and for some reason like we weren't allowed to ever like sit on it and ride it up the staircase like but it was the most fun thing ever the few times that we got to sit on it and like ride ride the chair up the staircase oh it's my dream there was a movie where uh there was a horror movie where one of the ladies had one of those chairs it was like poltergeist or one of those actually i think poltergeist and then she made the chair like fly up the stairs and out the roof never forget that and i think it was

Speaker 1 i love a slap

Speaker 1 alice yeah i think it was like the lady who played flow on alice who is the one stuck in that chair and they just like

Speaker 1 yeah oh yeah it went around like a circular staircase right

Speaker 1 it was a famous scene it was like

Speaker 1 yeah i think it was poltergeist too i know i only saw pull i only saw the first poltergeist oh my god there's sorry speaking as

Speaker 1 the big ass over there just there's a spider crawling around my camera Get out of here. I saw them everywhere in this place.
Big spiders. They're just crawling everywhere.
Fucking California.

Speaker 1 There's spiders everywhere.

Speaker 1 Speaking of, Tamara comes into this scene and says, Hi, everybody. It's me.
It's just bad. So tell me about your mid-state.
What do you have? Like a group or something? Yeah, it's good.

Speaker 1 You got a lot of old people. I guess I could live here now.
I'm old enough. That would be fun.
Everyone probably got a UTI in here or something. Hey, you got herpes.
What you got over there?

Speaker 1 Where's Sandy?

Speaker 1 Where's Sandy? Where's my mom? No, really, where is she?

Speaker 1 I'm so distracted by this. Spider, get the fuck off my camera.
Kill it. Get the f-

Speaker 1 It's like in a... I don't want to.
It's like...

Speaker 1 It's not really in a position to be... It's like, it's a weird.

Speaker 1 It's being very

Speaker 1 hard with your hand.

Speaker 1 Okay, let me try to like... Let me try to use one of them.

Speaker 1 You can do it. I believe in you.
No, the thing is this. Boom,

Speaker 1 Okay, okay. We were doing it.

Speaker 1 I'm trying to brush it off of this. That way it can get onto it.
Okay. Oh, now it's...
Oh, it's going crazy. It's going crazy.

Speaker 1 I just want to get it to the floor and then I can just go off. But like, don't get into my podcast equipment while I'm recording.

Speaker 1 While I'm discussing Tamra Judge, I need this to be a spider-free environment. So did it escape? Now it's on my desk, scurrying about.
Hit it.

Speaker 1 Hit it. I don't know where it is.
Oh, there it is. Okay.
Now it's, oh, God, it went under the recording equipment. Okay, you know what? It's just going to to live there.
It's fine.

Speaker 1 Just don't be on my camera. Dunk, dun, sir.

Speaker 1 So camera's like, yeah, everybody's got an XCT in here. But that spider's walking around with the big dick looking who's put it in.
Watch out, you lady.

Speaker 1 I feel bad because that spider didn't even get to have a stress ball.

Speaker 1 So Gina's like, I don't even understand how like you and Katie even got into this place.

Speaker 1 So then we go back to Ryan and Jen and Ryan's like, oh, yeah, I saw Katie and Shannon had a dust up and Matt said we're leaving. And then Tamara made her thirsty entrance.
God, thirsty Tamara.

Speaker 1 And Jen's like, well, I'm going to meet up with her because, you know, everyone says she's going through therapy. I just want to see if that helps.
You know, maybe it will. Maybe it will.

Speaker 1 If it does, I'm going to send a huge bouquet to that doctor and say, thank you. Thank you so much for doing that.
Thank you. Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 And he's like, well, I hope you're surprised, but you'll probably be disappointed.

Speaker 1 So then go go back to Gina and she's like you know I've been trying to communicate to Jen but she has anger from last year and Tamara's like yeah I'm sorry that's stupid my reaction at that party was to Ryan even after Eddie said let's move on Ryan blasted him on social media I mean she's that girl who acts out kind but she talks shit when people tell you that that they're kind like that they're kind, they're not kind, okay?

Speaker 1 So ha, all you kind people, hey, ever try to have a kind bar. Guess what? They should call it a not-kind bar.
Because kind things are not kind. Ha! Yeah, it's a mean bar.
That's what that is.

Speaker 1 Hey, enjoy your mean bar. It's got lots of sugar in this season.

Speaker 1 But I love Tamara saying that people who tell you they're kind are lying. Tamara, you spent a whole season trying to convince us that you're Christian now.
So she went through a

Speaker 1 lot of things. You're actively going to therapy.

Speaker 1 You're actively going to therapy now to convince people that you're actually kind, just damaged.

Speaker 1 she's so full of shit

Speaker 1 she goes oh yeah she can say stuff to me but then i do one little thing and i'm the devil you did not do one little thing first of all you and yes you were the devil so then we go back to ryan and he goes what did you even do to tamara i don't get it she's like um i don't know but she's telling everyone i'm obsessed with her so then we see a clip and of course this was all started by gina shocker so gina's like oh jen by the way like tamara said like you wanted like, to be Tamara.

Speaker 1 And, like, she said that you, like, put her in an actual old, you put it in her actual old hair extensions. Like, I mean, what the heck? We all look the same.

Speaker 1 And Jen's like, oh, my God, why would I want to be a woman like Tamra? I mean,

Speaker 1 I mean, look, Ryan, you said that there's a Smith's jealousy there. He goes, yeah, there's jealousy.
Have you seen Tamra?

Speaker 1 It's like a broom looking up.

Speaker 1 It's like a broom looking out over at a fleet of cars, you know?

Speaker 1 Yeah, poor witches. They're like, if only we can make cars levitate too.
Why do we get stuck with brooms? This thing doesn't even have a radio.

Speaker 1 Those cars can get polished and plushed and vacuumed and waxed. We're just brooms.
It's just like waiting for a pony ass to squeeze us into flight.

Speaker 1 We should be sweeping things up, not flying across the countryside.

Speaker 1 Jen's like, I mean, who was the one who asked for an inspo pic when you were getting a tummy talk? That was you, honey. And we see a picture of that.
You know, we have to get down to that.

Speaker 1 That's so funny. She's like, hey there, Jen.
I'm trying to get a belly button. Pull on.
So I was wondering if I could use your belly button as an inspo pic. I love the placement.

Speaker 1 Love the placement of your belly button.

Speaker 1 Of course.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 Jen is like, we just have to get down to what happened. And she has to take ownership, you know?

Speaker 1 She goes, you know, the lies just escalate. Like, I'm a stalker.
I'm obsessed. She loves Ryan.
I mean, now he's a cheater and has the FBI chasing him and he steals money.

Speaker 1 Like, I just don't get it anymore.

Speaker 1 So now we go to Heather, who's wacky. She's like, I am working with both Josh's from Million Dollar Listing LA, which has now been canceled.
But they hired my son. So we're getting them back on TV.

Speaker 1 Let's just, it's just, it's, it's a cycle. It's a, it's a TV star cycle.

Speaker 1 There are no better agents than Josh Altman and Flag. I mean, they had a bit of a falling out, which you all remember from Million Dollar Listing LA, right? We all, we all watch that show.

Speaker 1 No, can you roll the flashback, anyone? Okay, let's see footage of them having a scripted lunch together. Okay.

Speaker 1 Not even the people who watch Bravo for a living, not even you? Okay. No.
Okay. Okay.

Speaker 1 Actually, I tried, you know, because usually I do stick with the Million Dollar Listing LAs especially, but I just, I was like, enough. I used to.
Enough.

Speaker 1 I used to, but I made it halfway through and I was like, eh.

Speaker 1 I think selling Sunset Sunset kind of killed it for me because after selling Sunset, million dollar listing just felt kind of stale, you know?

Speaker 1 And honestly, I just, I, I could not get on board with Josh Flagg and Josh Altman. That was just too much.
And like, honestly, I still, uh, I just, I don't know. It's just so

Speaker 1 much. It's dead.
It's dead. It's dead.
So

Speaker 1 they, she walks through this house that she gutted and then left for dead because they didn't want to put any more money into it, which I can't really blame them.

Speaker 1 And they put in floors and already the house is livable. So boom, you're done.
Like it changed the whole house. It looks good.
Yeah, it looks great.

Speaker 1 That was really fast too, by the way.

Speaker 1 Yeah. She's like, well, it's difficult to put a dime to it, you know, when, you know, like when it's a, when it's a failure, but you have to do the numbers and I win.
I win. I win.

Speaker 1 Did you know that Heather was taking, first of all, Heather did like a community theater show or something and she's all, she also took classes at Groundlings. Did you know that?

Speaker 1 I hope they put that on the air because I want to see see how they're doing improv at groundlings i have to see it okay here's a sketch it's called you're poor okay so it's this lady she's gorgeous and everyone wants to be just like her and she goes into a store but everyone there is poor

Speaker 1 okay and freeze No, freeze. You were about to go in the wrong entrance.
The service entrance is around the corner.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 let's see. So, they talk about how they put in 45 grand.
They do like a wacky scene. The guys are like, Oh, I could sell it better than him.

Speaker 1 Altman's better than flag.

Speaker 1 Okay, so that was it. So, then we go to the next scene, which is Tamra's house.

Speaker 1 Yes. By the way, I did like Altman saying that Heather was wedged, but sandwiched between LeBron and Drake.
Oh, yeah. Because you know that she has no idea who LeBron is.
Oh, yes. LeBron.

Speaker 1 As we all know, famous shoe designer

Speaker 1 or

Speaker 1 textiles. He does textiles.
He's

Speaker 1 listening to paper towels. Love.

Speaker 1 LeBron, as we all know, president of Lebanon. Right.
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Speaker 1 So now we go to Tamara's house. So Tamra's going to check in with Sophia.
So she's like, Sophia's going to community college right now to get her General ED.

Speaker 1 And from there, she wants to get, like, I should say, General Ed, General Ed's. Sophia Eddie gives me hats.
I'm just going to say, what are we doing here? Not another Emily storyline.

Speaker 1 She wants to go to the music institute in Los Angeles. She's also an entrepreneur.
She buys and sells clothes online.

Speaker 1 She's actually selling my clothes

Speaker 1 as well. Isn't she amazing, guys?

Speaker 1 Wow. You're selling camera dresses online.
Someone save this child. This girl's too smart for this.
So Sophia has her dress and she's like, oh, mom, we need to get rid of this one.

Speaker 1 I think Elma wants his skin back.

Speaker 1 You're funny. Do another one.
Oh, my God. It's like a gaudy funeral, mom.

Speaker 1 That's funny. Do you want to look like a worm?

Speaker 1 You're funny. You're really funny.
She buys her clothes at Goodwill. I don't know what that is, but she goes to it.
And

Speaker 1 she does have a good sense of stat. Like she's helping me from my age.
But I'm like, not going to Goodwill. It's not going to happen.

Speaker 1 Don't have it. Not going to it.

Speaker 1 So they want to do a tour of the Music Institute, and Sophia doesn't want to because she doesn't want to move out. She's like, Mom, I don't want to like spend $30 on eggs, okay?

Speaker 1 Like, and I have a cat. Like, I need a place that access pets.

Speaker 1 And she's like, I feel like you're making excuses because you're afraid to go because you'd rather stay here and listen to your mom get banged by that guy from Costco in the dancer's apartment.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And she's basically saying, like, I know it's scary, but you got to do it because they basically become like codependent and stopping Sophia from living her life.

Speaker 1 And so then we see two weeks earlier in therapy, Tamara be like, when she decided she was going to LA, oh, cry, cry, cry. I couldn't even think about it.
I would just break out in tears.

Speaker 1 And the thought of not having her there every single day. Ha, ha, sad.
I'm sympathetic, America.

Speaker 1 And the therapist is like, wow, look at you, but you're going to help her out so much by all of this. therapy you're doing.
It's planet's therapy. Don't fuck it up.

Speaker 1 Therapy. Therapy? Kenny Planetara.
It's It's the worst actor ever. I never should have let her take you from that crowd linguist class.

Speaker 1 You are doing the twerk. It's called doing the work.
Doing the work, not the twerk.

Speaker 1 Yeah, therapy gives me tools and it makes things it makes me able to cope with things better. And that's right now.
I got a partisan at the sick. You stupid bitch.
You shouldn't have done that to me.

Speaker 1 I didn't express myself.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Tamara is getting tools the way I buy tools, which is like usually an impulse buy on Amazon, and I put them in my closet. And then it takes me about three years before I ever use it.

Speaker 1 You know what? I really need, I need that. I need to really buy a Roto leveler.
I'm going to get that right now. It's like, yes, you can have tools, but do you use your tools?

Speaker 1 That's a whole other question. I do not.

Speaker 1 So this whole thing about her leaving, and then she starts crying because she's like, yeah, you know, I have to go to Tappy. I've never gone this long before.
But then, you know,

Speaker 1 my parents got divorced. I was so sad, remember? And then, you know, me and your dad, we're in a bad place, remember him? Yeah, that's been real bad.
Maybe Sydney leaving. Sydney leaving.

Speaker 1 You need to come up with some new shit. Your parents got divorced, really?

Speaker 1 You're going to cry over your Simon divorce when you cheated on that man with someone who worked at his office and fucking... No, Tamara.
Sorry.

Speaker 1 I couldn't even watch the white load in season one because there was a girl named Sweeney who was in it. I mean, Sydney, you know what I'm trying to say.

Speaker 1 It's just flash back to therapy, please.

Speaker 1 Cry, cry. Okay, it's just so painful to not have your child around you.
I can't wrap my brain around it.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 because I get triggered and stuff. I learned that in therapy, that word triggered.
My third thing was just calling people dumb bitch.

Speaker 1 And so she talks about Sidney moving out when she was 14 and never coming back. And when Sophia moves out, she's not leaving.

Speaker 1 But because she was traumatized by Sydney, now she still worries that Sophie is going to leave her. And she's worried that she'll never talk to her again.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 Just maybe be less horrible to her. And also, stop bringing up the daughter who doesn't want you bringing her up on TV.
I mean, that's like a very simple way to not piss. Well, you know,

Speaker 1 honestly, at this point, though, I have to say that daughter has to get over it. Sorry.
Really? Listen,

Speaker 1 where do you think your money's coming, young lady? Where do you think your money's coming from? It's from your mom going on to this television show.

Speaker 1 Is it? Is she going to go? It's over. You're not a teenager anymore.

Speaker 1 you can have a relationship with your mom when someone's that toxic i say cut the cord cut the cord i felt like it was like very moody teenager and now it's like okay you're in your 20s now you can probably like you know it's time to move on because like until she moves on we have to deal with it so then um we go to piloti's class and uh emily and gretchen are there and shannon shows up late and they're like we did this in arizona so then shannon's like oh what how do i do this oh look at me i'm i'm losing my balance this is for those who wanted a sequel to Wacky Shannon eating wacky hors d'oeuvres, here's Wacky Shannon doing wacky Pilates.

Speaker 1 Oh, wow.

Speaker 1 Oh, look at me hanging upside down on a rope thing.

Speaker 1 Oh, can I have a spring roll while I do this? Is that what they're called? Why don't they call them winter rolls?

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 1 I feel like a winter spring roll right now because I'm wrapped in cloth. I'm so confused.
It's kind of like a sexual position. Ha! Earl to pearl pearl wishes.

Speaker 1 So they're being wacky and the instructor's like,

Speaker 1 loosen your grip, ladies. Slither like a snake.
And she goes, oh, that would be Katie. So then we go to a coffee bar where Katie is joining Gina and Heather.

Speaker 1 And what sort of trap is this? I don't understand why Gina and Heather are being nice to Katie because Heather hated Katie all of last year and was like the main person who hated Katie.

Speaker 1 And now this year, she's the one who's like trying to later on.

Speaker 1 She says, I just want you to have a win like what is happening like what is the what is the end game here for for heather she must have there must be a bigger fish to fry that she's she's angling for why what is the pawn why is just a ruin sort of pawn is she that's what heather does yeah she shows

Speaker 1 pretend to be nice to you listen to you say some stuff twist it take it back to tamara and watch tamara tear her limb from limb Okay, well, that works.

Speaker 1 So Katie joins and Gina's like, oh my God, you like match this place. Oh my God, because they serve matcha here.
That's so hilarious for me.

Speaker 1 So Katie asked them how the rest of the night was. And Heather, you know, has just two eggs.
Did you notice that?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I did. Well, she had like a little salad, an avocado salad on the side in a little bowl.
But I noticed how they eat.

Speaker 1 And I was like, this is why, whenever you really pay attention to how the super thin ones eat, this is why they're thin. I mean, Katie comes and she's like, I'll have a tea and a cucumber salad.

Speaker 1 I mean, that's just like a little tiny side of cucumbers, you know?

Speaker 1 Tiny. That's all she eats.

Speaker 1 So Heather's like, can I ask, what happened when you guys left my wonderful party? Gina's like, yeah, because Tamara said that your husband yelled at her. And Katie's like, Matt yelled at her.

Speaker 1 And then we see like flashbacks, right? Like, and Katie's like, that's hilarious. And we see Matt.
Absolutely. He's not yelling at her at all.
Yeah, going, he literally goes, you started it.

Speaker 1 You're going to pretend like you care?

Speaker 1 Yeah. That was it.
Screaming abuse.

Speaker 1 So Katie's like, yeah, Tamara puts out a half-truth. So when you come back and argue, you look like the liar.
And then we go back to Pilates and they're all getting affirmation cards. Oh, God.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 Pilates, I will shove it up your ass. I don't want a card after I've worked out.
Gretchen's card had like an image of like three cacti. One was winking at her.
One was yawning.

Speaker 1 And then it said, I forgive myself for past mistakes and failures. Well, thank you to this tribunal of like bored and winky cacti for giving me this affirmation.
You hand me a card after Pilates.

Speaker 1 It better be a gift certificate, like a gift card to Baskin Robbins, or I will fucking murder you with the card.

Speaker 1 Affirmation card.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 have you had, Gretchen, have you had a conversation with Tamra, Tamara Judge? Gordon's like, no, I don't have this desire to be friends with Tamara Judge.

Speaker 1 It's like, but if you can have some sort of resolution, don't you want to do that? She's like, well, why would I even set myself up? Because maybe there's a chance that she would surprise you.

Speaker 1 I mean, Emily, you're the one who's in like a...

Speaker 1 stupid ass feud with Katie over this nanny situation. Like the same thing could have been said to you.
But I mean, Tamara literally just walked in with Joe.

Speaker 1 And they're like, why won't you give Tamra another chance?

Speaker 1 Okay, guys. And these infractions are so much worse than anything that Emily is accusing Katie of doing.
Yes.

Speaker 1 And so Gretson's like, even if she said, I'm sorry, I still wouldn't believe her because it's been 15 years.

Speaker 1 Jana's like, well, there is a repeated history of patterns. I mean, how many times do you have to put yourself in a position to get hurt?

Speaker 1 Huh. Although, based on this class, apparently it's 25 times.
Thanks a lot, instructor. So Emily's like, well, what about Katie?

Speaker 1 Well, I said, I said what I needed to say to Katie, and I'm not going to talk to her anymore. I'm not going to open it up again and be stupid.
I absolutely will not.

Speaker 1 Well, speaking of feeling stupid, I was trying to defend Katie and I went to bed and I was struggling with that because I really like her a lot.

Speaker 1 Well, if she videotaped me, I guarantee you she has recorded each and every other of you. She's recorded everything.

Speaker 1 So you've seen the clip that's been going around all week of Ireland when Shannon and Heather were recording Kelly having a meltdown in that hallway, right?

Speaker 1 Not only did I see that clip when you were on vacation,

Speaker 1 I think I mentioned it, or maybe we even talked. No, no, I think it was before you were here.
No, maybe I don't remember, but we brought it up on, it was brought up on this show. Like

Speaker 1 you guys are all in a tizzy about Katie, but it was Heather DeBrough who videotaped Kelly Dodd in Ireland. Yeah.
Hypocrites.

Speaker 1 And of course, the whole, I guess people would argue, well, she didn't take it to Alexis. Who cares? They videotaped it to put it on TV.

Speaker 1 And that was also the episode where they were trying to make her get drunk and look stupid and all this. They're such hypocrites on this show.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I agree. So back over at the coffee shop, Heather is like, well, I have to ask you another thing, Katie.
Did you meet up with Kiki Monique? And Kitty's like, yeah, I mean, we had lunch.

Speaker 1 I mean, I met her when we went to that event in L.A., you know, that event? No, I don't. But she was, you know, she's really funny.
She's what a hilarious young lady.

Speaker 1 And I heard you were asking Kiki to put out stories to hurt us. And Kitty's like, I did not.
Who did you hear that from? Tamra.

Speaker 1 Puts out stories to hurt us on her own podcast.

Speaker 1 It's Tamara. So then two days earlier, Tamara's saying, Katie contacted somebody that has a radio show and she's got a podcast.

Speaker 1 And she asked this girl to repeat something that I'm not going to repeat. It is so bad.
It is just so, so, so bad. I'm going to repeat it.
I'm going to repeat. I'm making me tired of being.

Speaker 1 I won't repeat it.

Speaker 1 Prove it. Never did I do that.
Never. You know, I have listened to Kiki Monique for years.
I mean, it's got to be 10, 15, 25 years she's been on the radio. I listened to her all the time.

Speaker 1 And I thought she was a cool down-home journalist. And the producer was like, well, did anything about the other ladies come up? No.

Speaker 1 I mean, why, if I went to lunch with someone who's on radio Andy, why would we ever talk about Bravo?

Speaker 1 Okay, so are they going to play a a clip of this Kiki Monique show where Kiki has all this inside scoop that she heard from

Speaker 1 an anonymous source? Cause otherwise, shut up.

Speaker 1 I mean, I don't doubt she sat there and talked shit with Kiki. Like, her name is Kiki.
Of course, she talks shit with Kiki. It's literally her name.
The instructions are in the name. Okay.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But Kiki also has relationships with a lot of those people. So I doubt that she's going to be going around getting messy like that.

Speaker 1 No. And I think think that like all of these real housewives go around and talk to everyone about everyone.

Speaker 1 And now they're going to just make it seem like Katie is like some vile mole, whatever. Like I don't care.
I don't care if she did bring up anything.

Speaker 1 I don't care if she said anything to Kiki to get her to repeat it. The funny, it's just, it's still so funny to me that they're angrier at Katie.

Speaker 1 for allegedly trying to get Kiki to say something on the air versus Tamara, who just does say things on the air. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So heather's like i mean look katie no one knows what to believe anymore some of us including myself we sit back and we say hmm what's next

Speaker 1 It's hard to know. Like, are you poor? Are you really poor? I can't even tell anymore.
It's so hard. All I know is that when I see you on my ring cam, I hide in one of my very large closets.

Speaker 1 That's all I know. Poor people are coming for us all.
So Katie is like, look, I owned all the stuff that I'm being accused of doing because I did them.

Speaker 1 I'm not denying anything, but I'm denying this geeky thing. This did not happen.
And she's like, I mean, it's like a game of telephone. Everything's twisted and that's not what happened.

Speaker 1 And genuinely,

Speaker 1 Gina's like, I genuinely like want to want Katie to like have a triumphant moment, but like the problem is she's only told consistent lies. Like it's bad.

Speaker 1 It's bad. It's so bad.
It's so bad.

Speaker 1 Listen, I've tried to be in your corner, Katie, starting three seconds ago and ending now, but I don't know if I could do this anymore. That was a very tough three seconds.

Speaker 1 Katie's like, I appreciate that. I mean, I even told Gina that, that I appreciated those three seconds.
You were in my corner. And I would love, oh, I would love for you to score.

Speaker 1 Just like, what's his name? Bon Leroy. What's my neighbor's name?

Speaker 1 Marriott. The guy, the Bon Bon person.
You know, the guy who came up with the little ice creams and the chocolate. God, I love those.

Speaker 1 I'm so proud of him every time he scores.

Speaker 1 So, by the way, Heather, since when have you been in Katie's corner? And

Speaker 1 why would you love her to score? I swear she has. I'm just trying to parse it out.

Speaker 1 Because, like, I know the reason why Tamra's going hard at Katie, because Tamra's going hard at Katie because she can tear apart one of Shannon's new allies because ultimately it always comes down to Tamra versus Shannon, right?

Speaker 1 So Tamra has won on that front. She has now, Shannon doesn't really have anyone on the show at this point.
She's just sort of like alone. She has no, she has no buddies.

Speaker 1 Natina and Emily, they're on Team Tamra. Heather is a, it's always up and down with Heather and Shannon.
There's no one left for Shannon. So Tamra has won that one, but Heather, I'm just, I think

Speaker 1 is Heather now going to try to go after Tamra because Heather can't go after Tamra on her own? Do you think that's what's happening here? She wants to embolden Katie

Speaker 1 nice to katie or you think it's just that you want to set up katie for failure is it no she's she's having a scene with katie to confront her about the blogger things she's only she's only being nice for this one scene so she can make katie look stupid by accusing her of blogger stuff and now she's going to disappear i just like to develop the game of thrones narrative i like to make it seem like it's much more exciting than it is.

Speaker 1 I think that Gina was just like, I'm not going there alone with her, guys. And Emily's like, I'm not going.

Speaker 1 Are you kidding I'm cooking an egg in my purse so Heather's like I'll do it all out that little snitch for all the bloggery blogger lies

Speaker 1 um yeah she's just there to be camera stir

Speaker 1 So now we have some clips of things going on around the around the county. So at Shannon's house, she's with Archie and she's like, well, I'm going to bring Archie to the beach.

Speaker 1 But Archie, I'm bringing bread because you're going to get diarrhea. We all know it.
So have some healthy bread. You're going to get some nice, delicious Ezekiel bread, just like every dog loves.

Speaker 1 Then we go over to Gretchen's, and she's cooking with Slade and her little twin daughter. And

Speaker 1 she's like, oh my God, Slade, we already had all of her tools. Why did you buy her more cooking tools? And he's like, that's like me saying, what? You bought a dress?

Speaker 3 You already have a dress.

Speaker 1 What I'm trying to say is women, no matter what the age, are basically like children. Am I right? So then we go to Cootie's house.

Speaker 1 You had that removed last week, Gretchen. All right.
Well, it looks good.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I like, by the way, it's the toast ready. I can't smell it.

Speaker 1 The toast has been ready. It just got, we face tuned the toast as well.
So it's just that blur.

Speaker 1 I like how we're mad at Gina and Emily for saying that Gretchen looks so face-tuned, but like we're all like, she's so face-to-end.

Speaker 1 So Katie is at Katie's house. We sort of settle in on Katie's house.
And Katie is telling Matt, she's like,

Speaker 1 Well, I met with Gina and Heather and Gina was actually great because she didn't really talk very much. Oh, what a relief.
She was like, I can see from both sides how you feel.

Speaker 1 And she's like, I'm in a middle spot. And I'm like, I get that.
They also dropped this bomb on me. Tamara apparently told Heather that I'm using this girl, Kiki, to plan stories about them.

Speaker 1 And I said, prove it. Show me.

Speaker 1 Matt's like, whatever. You're perfect in this house.
Like, seriously?

Speaker 1 Like, Tamara Judge is in this friend group and you're the untrustworthy one. Okay, okay.
Can we just go to bed? Please, let's just go to bed. So then we go to Tamara and Jen's big meetup, dun dun dun.

Speaker 1 And Tamara's like, there's so many other things I could be doing right now. I could be praying.
I could be praying to Satan. I could be praying to Jesus.

Speaker 1 I could tell Jesus all the mean shit Satan said. I could tell Satan that Jesus got him fat.

Speaker 1 I don't know what Jen wants to say to me, but I'm hopeful we can move forward. Because if it's something, because if I said something I shouldn't have, I already apologized for it.

Speaker 1 What else do you want from me? That's therapy talking. That's how you know you're healed.

Speaker 1 So Jen. Jen comes up.
She's like, hi. And Tamara goes, oh, hi, I have that belt.

Speaker 1 Stop. Which is, wow.
Yeah, that's what she's trying to say. But Jen's like, oh my God, I'm obsessed.
Yeah, obsessed with me, bitch. Well, thanks so much for meeting me.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, what do you want to talk about? Well, hi. Um, a lot, actually.

Speaker 1 I know that you're, you know, you're going through a lot, and I know there's a lot going on with Teddy, and all the girls are telling me how heavy that is on you. Ha! How could you use the H-word?

Speaker 1 Okay, you're not allowed to say that on this cast. Sorry, sorry, sorry.
I can only imagine.

Speaker 1 Teddy, you called it heavy. I'm telling you.

Speaker 1 I just want to ask you so many questions, and I want to know that you're going to answer me honestly.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, but I wouldn't answer you honestly. Come on, Charmie.
Charmy, stupid. I'm always honest.
I'm always, always mean. I'm always honest.
She goes, okay, so where did it all go wrong for you?

Speaker 1 Where did our friendship fall apart, Tamara? I just don't understand. She's like, well, when it went south, was when we went to dinner at Katie's house, and I admitted I was an asshole, okay?

Speaker 1 And I went off on Ryan, and then Ryan called Eddie a baby bitch. So it's not so innocent.
No, you started it, and people stood up for themselves, Tamara. That's not the same thing.

Speaker 1 You went way hard. You came with machine guns to a

Speaker 1 balloon fight.

Speaker 1 You went on TV and brought this FBI thing onto the TV show. You know, that's the thing on these shows.

Speaker 1 People are upset, get upset when people bring sort of stuff that's lurking in the background onto camera. People don't like that, you know.

Speaker 1 And so Jen's like, Yeah, well, you run around about the FBI, then you make allegations that my home with my children was raided.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and you say it can say whatever you want, because if anybody says anything back, they're the bad ones. I'm like, that's she didn't say

Speaker 1 camera. It's you, it's you who's saying it.

Speaker 1 It's you.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 God. So you're going to say that to my husband, that say that my husband doesn't have a job and doesn't make any money.
I had built up anger about that. Okay, does your husband have a job?

Speaker 1 And does your husband have any money? Because it looks like he's following you around, sucking off your teeth.

Speaker 1 Wasn't that the storyline last year? It's like, yeah, and he's not really doing anything with himself ever since Cat Finn's clothes.

Speaker 1 So I just wanted to do something because he's getting really upset because he doesn't have a job. Yeah.
I say, say my husband doesn't have a job and isn't doing anything.

Speaker 1 So Jen's like, let's not, let's go this way, okay? Because this maybe will work better for you. And she goes, don't be fucking condescending to me, okay?

Speaker 1 I don't know who the hell you think you are, but you're not. You're not what you think you are.
It's somebody who's not.

Speaker 1 Maybe it's something she doesn't remember who she is. She just woke up.
She says I'm

Speaker 1 Jen. She didn't realize her husband was doing it the whole time.
No, I'm Jen. I'm Jen.
Yeah, I remember who I am. Jen Petranti.
Name that. Yeah, I do.
Isn't that amazing? I do remember.

Speaker 1 Thank you so much for reminding me to remember. Yeah, you think you're somebody that's so above, like you told Heather to pro

Speaker 1 so last week we go back to that pub and Jen goes, Heather, why do you lower yourself?

Speaker 1 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, that's bullshit.

Speaker 1 Are you not lowering yourself to be someone who will videotape one of our friends?

Speaker 1 And Satan's like, oh, yeah, well, I'm not the one that gets evicted.

Speaker 1 So what about that? And she goes, okay, does it make you feel better that I got evicted? No, but you can't say that I'm lower because you're lower than me. Because you got evicted.

Speaker 1 She's like, she's like, yeah, you got caught. Caught what? Cheating? Yeah.
You've never cheated before, Tamara. Maybe.
I do hear stories. Oh, now you didn't cheat.
Suddenly you didn't cheat.

Speaker 1 No, I left Simon for Eddie. And it was no land.
No, no, no crossover. No crossover.
She goes, well, I did the same with Winnie.

Speaker 1 I was happening to find one of Simon's best friends that he worked with in the same office, but there was no overlapping at all.

Speaker 1 And I said the same thing with Will, and I never said that I didn't cheat on Will. Okay, so it was the first time or the second time.

Speaker 1 Because now Tamara's run out because everything that she's trying to get to Jen at, like, Jen's like, yeah, okay, what else? And so she's like, okay, well, there was a

Speaker 1 second time.

Speaker 1 Now I'll just make stuff up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, now I'll just, now I'll just straight up make stuff up. So she's like, what are you talking about? And she goes, you don't want want to bring it up.

Speaker 1 And she goes, well, I don't know what you're talking about. Oh, come on, Shin, you don't know.
So the producer asked Tamara what she knows. And she's like,

Speaker 1 is there any question? Is there any difference between going to someone who's on Radio Andy and saying, I heard something.

Speaker 1 And like, maybe you can put it on your show versus going to a producer and saying, I heard something, maybe you can put it on our show. I don't think there is a big difference.

Speaker 1 I guess their argument would be that

Speaker 1 they will fight for themselves and use themselves as their weapons. But when you go use the media as your weapon, that is super, super low.
Fair.

Speaker 1 So Jen's like, I don't have any clue what you're talking about, but to be fair, I also rarely have any clue about what anyone's talking about. Deny, deny, deny, deny, deny, deny.

Speaker 1 What is this allegation that you're pulling out of your rabbit hat? She says, well, there are some rumors that there is another guy at a yoga studio that she got involved with.

Speaker 1 Oh, God.

Speaker 1 Like, seriously. Okay, then who is it? Where is it? Who told you, Tamara? But of course, she's not.
It's just a rumor. It could be wrong.
She can't get in trouble for it.

Speaker 1 And Jen's like, I don't even know who you are. She goes, oh, yeah, but I don't care if you know who I am.
It doesn't matter to me. Okay.

Speaker 1 Like, if you're going to keep poking at me, then yeah, I'm going to tell you. I'm going to tell you.
Wait, wait, wait. She is.
She's back. There she is.
She She goes, oh,

Speaker 1 and now I'm obsessed with you. Like, what am I? A single white female? I mean, do you tell people I'm obsessed with you? And she goes, oh, well, that was weird shit back in the day.

Speaker 1 Like putting my old hair extensions put in your head. Wait a minute.

Speaker 1 How do you know about that?

Speaker 1 Because it's all

Speaker 1 me.

Speaker 1 Yes, what's weird is how you twist shit because you want to make other people look so beneath you. Haha, you're the one who's trying to make someone lower now.
And it's mind-blowing.

Speaker 1 So Jen explains that yes, she put tamara's hair in her head but for like a second because she was playing and she didn't leave the salon with it she just was like there and like someone was like hey that's tamara judge's hair so she put it in as a gag and had fun with it so it's hilarious how tamara does twist it to make her seem like a lunatic when it's actually was a benign joke like tamara i don't know if you've ever seen your hair But nobody's clamoring to get it put on their head.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Okay.
This is like Christ, unless it's like a scarecrow trying to scare off some crows. Girl, nobody is looking for that on purpose.

Speaker 1 This is like when Ashley put on Karen Huger's wig, you know, like and started walking around.

Speaker 1 They'd have to distress the fake hair to even look correct on your head. No one can reuse that.

Speaker 1 You know, if I die in the middle of the night of stab wounds, it's her. She's going to stand over my bed and stab.
It's going to happen one day. I swear to God.

Speaker 1 So Joan's like, they said Tamara was in the chair next to you. And she just came in and we were all laughing.

Speaker 1 She just tells, she explains it all and she's like, but you want to twist it like I sewed your hair in my head? Like it gave me some sort of joy.

Speaker 1 She goes, yeah, but you go to my doctor and get your face redone. You go to my gym because you saw I did a fitness competition.

Speaker 1 Tamara, you literally advertised, you did the fitness competition to advertise your gym. And now you're mad that people actually came in from your marketing.

Speaker 1 That's such a good point. And Jen's like, your gym was one mile from my yoga studio.
How dare you? How dare you put yourself on that much of a pedestal and say, I came looking for you? You did.

Speaker 1 You did come looking for me. You did.
She goes, oh, you're so special. You're so sick.
How's your therapy? Listen, I didn't come to your gym. I didn't know shit about you.

Speaker 1 You are fucking sick, Samara. Tamara, and I'll say it again.
She goes, don't call me sick. You can't call me sick.
I got stuff.

Speaker 1 You're fucking sick.

Speaker 1 You can't use my sickness against me. How could she? She's using my mental disabilities against me.
She's calling me all topists sick. I can't.

Speaker 1 That's unfortunate. I wish you all the luck in the world, but that's not cool.
127 toothpicks. 1727 toothpicks.

Speaker 1 Tamara, step one is admitting you have a problem. Step two is actually fixing it.
So Tamara's like, you know what? The old Tamara would have laid into her. But you know what?

Speaker 1 What she thinks about me is her problem, so she can fuck off. I don't want anything to do with her.
I don't want to see.

Speaker 1 I just don't see where Jen and I can move on i like how she's like the old tamara would have laid into her i'm like was

Speaker 1 was that not what we just did you did here's what the old tamera would have done she would have laid into her denied everything and then when she couldn't win the argument run away like a little wuss like you just did you're the same old tamara girl you're the same one so meanwhile jen sees the therapy dog she goes oh my gosh is that a therapy dog can i hug it oh my god get over here therapy dog get over here she's just hugging the dog

Speaker 1 she's hugging the tamara's storming out jen like the the definition of villain edit versus hero edit is like tamra storming off jen cuddling a random adorable dog and the dog starts chewing on her hair and she goes well at least it's not hammer tamara's hair i mean you keep chewing on this hair it's gonna look like tamara's tamara's clip hands again so

Speaker 1 save me the argument dog thank you so much thank you so much for eating my hair

Speaker 1 So next week, the New Orleans trip happens, and we're going to see what this shit show is all about. But wow, like it's it's really astounding to see that Jen so composed and so so

Speaker 1 so easily dismantling Tamara.

Speaker 1 It's shocking. I didn't know she would be the one.
It was lovely. Loved every second of it.
So yeah, we're one step closer to Tamara being like, ah, queer, you never see me.

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