#2952 The Valley S2E16 Part Two: Lost Sporkle

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Speaker 3 So,

Speaker 3 Janet's like, you know, nobody's putting a gun to her head to date you. And like, Jason's advice was don't date somebody who agreed to share their life on camera if she feels very private about it.

Speaker 3 So Jesse's like, oh, well, Sheena was very vocal about that. Sheena called my girlfriend and said, no one will like you as long as you're with Jesse.
Listen, I mean, I don't think Sheena's wrong.

Speaker 1 I know, but Sheena's also with Brock. So I don't know.
I don't know that Sheena has many legs to stand on in this one.

Speaker 3 True, but Brock has an Australian accent and Jesse has a hair dent. So I don't know.
I'm still going to say Jesse's worse.

Speaker 1 Sheena, who tried to get Ariana to make up with Tom so she could still have a show to shoot on. It's like,

Speaker 1 don't be nice to the bad guy. So Andy's like, so Jesse, do you think Michelle is anxious to finalize her divorce so she can get married to Aaron and start a new family?

Speaker 1 And he's like, if that's the next step, that's fine. I can't wait until I stop her new babies from seeing her dying mother.

Speaker 3 All right, Jax, hearing all this, were you listening, Jax? He's like, no. Okay, well, do you think it's going to be hard for you when Britt starts dating a man and she introduces him to Cruz?

Speaker 3 He's like,

Speaker 3 yes. Do you think it's going to be hard for you when she just dates a man without introducing him to Cruz?

Speaker 3 Yes. Do you think it's going to be hard for you when Britt just sees a man?

Speaker 3 Yes.

Speaker 1 Do you think it's going to be rough on you when Brittany starts eating chicken wings alone in her bed? Sorry, it's already happened. Okay, Brittany.

Speaker 1 And she's like, well, he starts to fight with me every day about who I talk to and who I'm around every day. Every day, Andy.
Okay, every day.

Speaker 1 And he's like, well, why do you have any jurisdiction about who she's talking to? He's like, I don't know. I know.
Okay. It's just my mentality.
Like, I'm trying to work on it, Andy. I am.
I am.

Speaker 1 It's me and Jax. You know, I'm trying.
Like, I'm becoming a newbie, Andy. I'm becoming a newbie.

Speaker 3 I'm like a little flower.

Speaker 1 Buddy God. It's just new Jacks.
New Jacks, Andy.

Speaker 3 Kristen goes, just keep it to yourself. Just don't say it to her.
Okay.

Speaker 1 I get triggered, though. Yeah, I get triggered.
I'm triggered.

Speaker 3 Do you have a therapist?

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 do you go to the therapist?

Speaker 3 Do you listen to the therapist?

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, you know, I do. Like every Monday, I go, you know, I've been to four therapists, Andy, and none of them have worked out.
You know, not one of them has told me what I wanted to hear.

Speaker 1 So, you know, I finally found one I've been to twice. So, you know, that's pretty good.
You know, you know, me back in Vanderpup, I had two or three.

Speaker 1 You know, there was the Reiki chick trying to fuck her.

Speaker 1 There was the other chick. I don't remember what she was doing.
Tried to fuck her too, though. But, you know.
Then I went to that meeting with Laura Lee or whatever the fuck her name was.

Speaker 1 You know, dumped her outside of the AA meeting. So that was like therapy, right? Yeah, I've been trying, Andy.
I've been trying.

Speaker 3 All right, well,

Speaker 3 have his, Bray, have his Monday therapy sessions approved anything for you? She's like, no.

Speaker 3 And Andy's like, okay. Well, Jesse, I want to talk about your budding romance with Kristen and Luke.
You reached out to Kristen with an apology at the beginning of the summer.

Speaker 3 Why would you do that aside from the, you know, renewal? Because the producers told you to do it. He's like, well, listen.
Kristen sent me the most gracious text message.

Speaker 3 I was like, wow, that's very, very, very big of her to take that first step. It basically said, do you mind bringing napkins to our park wedding?

Speaker 3 And I thought it was nice for someone to see some utility in me. And I started to just think about what my role played in what happened last year, which is, of course, all Michelle Lolly's fault.

Speaker 1 I love Kristen and Jesse are just both so full of shit. You're friends because you both hate Michelle and Michelle hates both of you.
You have now teamed up so that you have allies.

Speaker 1 Like, why are we acting like, wow, they became friends because they were really kind to each other in a text, but whatever.

Speaker 1 So she says that she was wary of him inviting her over, but she went anyway.

Speaker 1 And, you know, I don't think he really understood, Andy, that when he does things like slams his hands on the table like, whoa, or yells at a woman woman, or threatens her, that that could be triggering to women, you know, because sometimes women go through those things.

Speaker 1 So he just had to understand that little part and then we were good. Oh, I love it.

Speaker 1 He's like, I know, I know, that threatening women was triggering.

Speaker 1 God.

Speaker 3 So I like that it's like, oh, just the slamming on the table had nothing to do with the words that came out of his mouth or his personality.

Speaker 3 It was just merely that he made some loud noise and that was triggering.

Speaker 1 Okay, great. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So there was no, I'm sorry, but it was easy to give him a chance once he realized he was a triggering person.

Speaker 1 So next question is to Michelle. You know, you told Jesse he loves to cry, so people think you're cold and insensitive, which we've gone over.
It's true. And she's like, yeah, I'm guarded.

Speaker 1 It's hard for me to cry, but he can cry, you know, at the zab of the fingers. And people love to see a man crying and being vulnerable.

Speaker 3 And then they show a montage, which is great, of him just fake crying throughout all the years.

Speaker 1 And the best one was when he was crying. Michelle's like, oh, give me a break.
And he's like, here. And he turned evil and he was right.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 So Kirsten's like, I think the conversation, like the conversation, that last one, the montage, that was one of the most raw and vulnerable conversations from both of you.

Speaker 3 But then it turns out after that nice conversation at the end of the season, it went sour right afterwards, which is like not a surprise. So Jesse explains it.
He's like, you know, he is a crier.

Speaker 3 He's like, I've seen Rudy 40 times and I cry every single time. They carry him off the field.

Speaker 3 I don't know if that's

Speaker 3 that.

Speaker 3 You're still a faker. You're still a fake crier.
You can cry at a movie and still be a fake crier.

Speaker 1 I hate to break it to you. This is Jesse making another hilarious pop culture reference to, you know, get his charm out there instead of just fessing up to being a fucking faker manipulator, you know?

Speaker 1 He's like,

Speaker 1 Rudy suits.

Speaker 1 Janet's like, well, I like David Busters. So,

Speaker 1 yeah, Janet calls him out for that like fake cry when they dried up really quickly. And he's like, which

Speaker 1 conversation was that? Michelle's like, the scheduling gombers.

Speaker 1 And Janet's like, yeah, those tears were really gone. And then it just cuts to Zach going, um, we could say the same thing about you.

Speaker 3 Zach getting a nice little lick in there. So Jesse was like, those tears were like the first holidays since, you know, since we separated that we wouldn't be together.
Those were holiday fake tears.

Speaker 3 So Jason's like, well, I think like at the time we were filming, I mean, you guys were only separated like less than a year.

Speaker 3 So I think you guys are saying like, unless Jesse is a complete sociopath, he wouldn't, he, he would have tears. Like it's an emotional situation for everybody.

Speaker 3 No, we are saying he's a sociopath, Jason. That is exactly correct.
We are calling him a sociopath. Yeah.
And there's no two ways about it.

Speaker 1 It's all in the eyes, Jason. But glad you're here to stand up for another abuser piece of shit mail.

Speaker 3 Okay, Jason. Jason's like, I mean, unless you're calling him a cold, manipulative asshole.
I mean, I think he, of course, would be emotional. Like, yeah, we're calling him a cold.

Speaker 3 That's exactly what we're calling him.

Speaker 1 Man, Jason, you'd be really great at Balderdash.

Speaker 1 So, Andy,

Speaker 1 is Balder Dash the one where you explain things and people have to figure out what they are?

Speaker 3 Sort of, yeah, definitions.

Speaker 1 Yeah, mail to Balderdash joke. Okay, so Andy's like, okay, we're back.
Nia, I heard about your new house in Santa Clarita, sucker. What made you fold so quickly? And she's like, it's really big.

Speaker 1 I have five bedrooms. I mean, sometimes I drive back to Santa Clarita and I look around.
And, you know, I do what most citizens do in Santa Clarita. I go, ew,

Speaker 1 I'm in Santa Clarita. But, you know, this is really big.

Speaker 3 She really is like, oh my God, what is this choice I made?

Speaker 3 Just remember, you have an extra room now.

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Speaker 3 Jasmine, just realized you're here. Did you sell them the house? Jasmine's like, no, I don't work in that territory.

Speaker 3 I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding, just in case I got transferred there.
But no, I would never sell a house in Santa Clarita. All right.

Speaker 3 Well, as multiple marriages were coming aboard, it seems a thread known as boys chat was going strong, fueled by drama, scandal, rumors, and apparently lots of vagina pics.

Speaker 3 Jax, for all of us who are not lucky enough to be on boys chat, pull the curtain back for us no i that's not the same as show us your dick although you can if you want okay pull the curtain back for us and what kind of things are you guys talking about

Speaker 1 Well, it started at Schwartz's wedding. You know, it just kind of started as like all the guys talking at you, you know, because like we were all living in little houses of the property.

Speaker 1 So we started sending checks and stuff. Oh, yeah, they were sending pictures like vaginas to each other, slipper vaginas.
I don't know what that means, but vagina pictures, you know.

Speaker 3 And degrading women 24-7, okay?

Speaker 3 And he's like, okay, who on this stage is still in the boys' chat? Is it just Jax and Jesse? And is it true that Kenny from Love Island season six is in the boys' chat?

Speaker 1 That's a whole different thing. Gross.

Speaker 1 God, that turned out to be horrible. I never saw.

Speaker 1 I would like to think of myself as a pretty good judge of character. I never saw that coming from Kenny.
Did you?

Speaker 3 I did not. I always thought

Speaker 3 like there was

Speaker 3 an odd duo, the two of them. You know, he was always showing up in khakis.

Speaker 1 And I thought like, really?

Speaker 3 What, like, I just didn't think that like a guy in khakis all the time was going to be like up for like flashy social media. I wouldn't even think he would be on Love Island.

Speaker 3 And then it turns out there's a reason why. I don't know.
You can wear khakis and not be like a racist and all the things that and Cloud Chase feel like Kenny is. I'm just saying that like.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, for those of you who don't know this is a couple like one of the favorites from last two seasons ago of Love Island that are now on this Love Island

Speaker 1 Beyond the Villa show and apparently she went through his phone and found all these texts where he's like I don't even like black women and was calling her all these names and yeah like horrible stuff.

Speaker 1 Allegedly

Speaker 1 yeah yeah I mean I just I just see what I see on the internet.

Speaker 3 Yeah yeah I'm just saying but yeah it's likes

Speaker 3 yeah yeah so he just turned out to be a real piece of garbage. Yeah he turned up

Speaker 3 his friends. God.

Speaker 1 And I thought he was so nice. He talks like this.

Speaker 1 And he cried. You know, usually I believe the criers, not just proud of you.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yep. Well, yeah, I failed on that one for sure.
So anyway,

Speaker 1 Danny,

Speaker 1 Zach used to be on it, but he left. He's like, I literally got out because of what they were saying.
And also because of vaginas. And also because of vaginas.
They were terrifying.

Speaker 1 It was a terrifying chat.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 um jazz like one vagina and zach is out

Speaker 1 sandy's like okay so it's really just jesse like it's only jesse and you are in the boys chat right now and danny well i used to look at it i used to look at it when i was with jax jax to show me everything jacks to show me everything which is hilarious because danny got kicked out for showing people and jax was doing it the whole time he'd show me jesse's messages and he would talk about how horrible jesse was and all this like he did not like jesse i don't think and like not at all like not even a little bit cutting short You know all sorts of the dead eyes, you know sort of shriveled up little tiny peeping You know, he's showing all these naked girls and everything just a lot of dirty dirty nasty things in there Jax is like locker room talk locker room talk works for Trump works for Trump.

Speaker 3 Yeah, so locker room talk look look boys will be boys. We can say all these things because just locker room talk.
It's because we're not saying it publicly We're not saying it to their faces.

Speaker 3 We're just saying it privately and perpetuating our ideas.

Speaker 1 Yeah, voice chats are disgusting. I mean, I have a voice chat with my gay friends and it's disgusting.
You know, we don't demean women in it. We demean other men.

Speaker 1 But, you know, I can only imagine what straight guys chat is like.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 It's like, well, I just, I don't know. Like, I'm sort of like, I have a weird feeling.
Like when Brittany was like, yeah, I used to watch, Jack used to show me. I would see all these things.

Speaker 3 And like, I, on the one hand, I understand, you know, you're going to protect your husband because that's your husband. But there's also an element of like,

Speaker 3 I don't know, I kind of feel like as soon as this marriage was falling apart, she should have been like, okay, I'm not going to protect him anymore. And this is what he's been saying.

Speaker 3 And this is what all these guys have been saying. I don't know.

Speaker 3 There was, there was something like, there was this, I got the sense that Brittany was still protecting the guys and because she was seeing all this stuff. And she said nothing.

Speaker 3 We didn't have any indication until right now. She's like, oh yeah, I saw this and I saw that and I saw that.
I was like,

Speaker 3 You're really going to keep protecting these guys? I mean, I'm sure there's more to the story than that, but I had a weird reaction to it.

Speaker 1 I mean, I think that when you have a husband who's in a boys' chat, you're just like, it's boys chat. I mean,

Speaker 1 what are you going to do? They're disgusting. I think a lot of people are just like, well, they're boys.
That's just what boys do. They have a boys chat.

Speaker 3 Yeah. I guess when we watch these shows, we expect more purity.
You're like, well, why didn't she

Speaker 3 stance?

Speaker 1 No, I don't expect more purity from Britney. My God.

Speaker 3 So, it's like, all right, Danny, you broke the number one rule of boys chat, which is don't speak about the boys chat to the wrong person, I should add.

Speaker 3 Why did you tell Luke that Jesse and Michelle, but Jesse said, Michelle is sleeping with the billionaire for $1,500 a night? Danny's like, yeah, hand to God, one hand to God.

Speaker 3 Oh, by the way, God, I am so sorry. I did not remember that I put my hand on you like that.
I am so sorry. It will not happen again.

Speaker 3 Okay. Hand near God, I should say.
I obviously had my mic on and we were talking and like, and I, just like having a conversation about Jesse and Michelle.

Speaker 3 And I was, it just was, it was just, I thought we were wrapped for the day. I didn't know.
I didn't know I was still being films.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's like, I didn't know there was a camera right behind me. That's literally why I'm whispering.
No, that's not how it happened. Sorry, but the camera was not behind you.

Speaker 1 Didn't we see him full on? There were cameras surrounding you, sir.

Speaker 1 It was not like some hidden camera footage, liar. I just

Speaker 1 did that on purpose because

Speaker 1 you brought it up to Luke on camera. And then, yeah, no, you did not think you were mad.
So Danny's like lying. And Janet just mumbles.
She's like, we all know how cameras work. He's an actor.

Speaker 1 Well, he's a voice actor. Well, he is also an actor.
I guess, does he actually play the zombies or do the voiceover for a zombies?

Speaker 3 He was on the OC.

Speaker 3 He had a role on the OC once. So he knows how cameras work.
He's also shot a reality show for an entire season.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I just thought that was nice of Janet to say because I never thought she would give him credit.
Like he's an actor.

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah. Let's elevate his career that way.

Speaker 1 Yes.

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Speaker 1 Many is like, Jesse, did you really believe it?

Speaker 1 And he goes, oh, the second I said it, the second I sent it, I regretted it, even though I've said it 20 more times during the season and probably said it multiple times in that chat.

Speaker 3 You did not regret it whatsoever. You regretted it as much as Danny didn't realize there was a camera on him.
So, Michelle, you told the girls that Jesse spent all your money and is broke.

Speaker 3 Tell us more.

Speaker 3 And Jesse's like, well, I mean, I seem to be living fine right now. She's like, oh, yeah, who is is paying your rent? Who's paying daddy's bills? Ah.

Speaker 1 And he goes, well, I am. And, you know, I've been paying my rent and I have been since you moved out.
And she goes, and who is lending you money to pay your rent? And he just like looks defeated.

Speaker 1 He's like, he just rolls his eyes like, great. Thanks a lot for bringing up the gay guy again.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Well, you talked to the Zen party that you were overwhelmed financially. It's okay to admit it.
He's like, well, it's doubled the expenses with half the income.

Speaker 3 And we sat down in the living room and talked about her moving out. And we had actually talked about the two of us finding a new place together.
By the way, why is it double the expenses?

Speaker 3 It should be the same amount of expenses with half the income.

Speaker 3 So she's like, whatever happened was you said, I had to leave the house and you were never going to leave because it was your house.

Speaker 3 And even though we both pay rent in the house, and you said, I am not leaving over my dead body and you sleep downstairs, and it was unbearable. So I finally found a place.
I bought new furniture.

Speaker 3 I paid two rents and that is what happened

Speaker 1 so she's paying two rents I guess because she's still on the lease that's probably and that's such that's such the man that man thing to do on this show too because that's just what Jax did

Speaker 3 that's exactly what Jax did so shitty

Speaker 1 and also why don't you just break the lease and move

Speaker 1 I mean, get the fuck out of there. And it's been over a year anyway, right? Maybe there's a two-year lease.
I don't know. But they've been living there since the beginning of the show.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 This is, this is all like just struggling. It's also, it's struggling to keep the lifestyle that you can no longer afford.
But also, it's, um,

Speaker 1 what was I going to say about stupid Jesse in this apartment? Never mind. There's too much rage going on in this show.
It's making me tired. I'm like, oh, God.

Speaker 1 Is there anything fun in this show? Oh, it's also him trying to manipulate her into just staying, right? He's like, well, you can stay downstairs or you're stuck paying your rent anyway.

Speaker 1 So let's see what you do. Thinking that she's going to be too poor to go get a place and pay rent there, but she did anyway.
So good for her.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 So Andy asks,

Speaker 3 Andy's like, so Michelle said that you got douchier over the course of your marriage. The more money you got, the more douchier you got.
Did the money make you douchey?

Speaker 1 Barbara Walter goes, yeah, well, I think I was pretty douchey when I was the, when I was at the caddy at the golf course making $150 a loop. So listen, I could be douchey at any income level, Andy.

Speaker 1 That's the thing about me.

Speaker 3 Jennet goes, he used to have a tongue ring. So, I think he's always been a bit of a douche.

Speaker 3 Brittany goes, I had a tongue ring too. Don't, just don't dive in.
Let, let Jesse be the tongue ring douche, Brittany. Don't, you don't have to dive in.

Speaker 1 I started laughing, fucking Brittany. Of course, we did.
So, Andy's like, okay, we're back.

Speaker 1 You know, we started the season with the shock of Jax checking him to himself into a mental health facility treatment, whatever. So I want to start at the beginning.
What led up to that?

Speaker 1 Are you going to blame Lisa Vanderpump? Because it seems to be a very popular thing to do right now.

Speaker 1 Brittany, just days before filming started, you and Jax were separated, but talking about getting back together. And then you had a fight and then text messages and blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 1 And Julian and blah, blah, blah. Julian, Julian.
Let's talk about Julian. So Jax is like, Julian and I were friends.

Speaker 1 We were hanging out all the time. It was basically my best friend.
He was like my brother. Like, I I love Julian.
Like, Julie, Julie, Julie. You see Julian everywhere.
It's like always on my arm.

Speaker 1 I'm like, he's my best, best friend. Like, he's my best friend.

Speaker 3 All right. Well, so how long after your separation did you start seeing Julian?

Speaker 3 Probably like a month, something like that. It's like quicker than that.
No, one, one, quicker on that. All right.
Well, Jax.

Speaker 3 No, no, I didn't say Julian that quick. So Andy's like, Jax, where were the rules that you and Brittany established about dating inside your friends inside your friend group?

Speaker 1 uh uh honestly uh we didn't like have a rule on the friend thing it's just like you automatically assume you know like I think it was like a little suit of the both I mean I don't know I don't know like it was just it was hurtful it was hurtful Eddie it was hurtful and it went against what I said too you know I had someone at the house too she goes multiple people multiple people you had one person with the boobs to 10 people Shore picture shower picture

Speaker 3 just boobs fill the screen giant boobs okay I'm not trying to start a war here how to just you know, just, that's what it was hurtful to me. And this is just what made me spiral.
That's, that's all.

Speaker 3 It's like, hey, why creep? Extremely aggressive. So now she talks about how he threw the coffee table.
It landed on her knee. Her knee turned black.
He threw both bar stools.

Speaker 3 He threw her Stanley cup and broke it.

Speaker 3 He threw her phone and broke it. He threw her laptop and broke it.
And then she says he threw me into the rose bushes. I didn't know about the rose bushes part.

Speaker 3 I mean, now we've been keep on saying, you know, we've been saying, obviously, it's always felt, it always has been domestic, domestic abuse, but we didn't actually know he had literally put his hands on her and done something.

Speaker 3 But now she's saying he's thrown her into a rosebush and he doesn't even really deny it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, actually, he says, I did not throw you into the rose bushes. And she goes, yeah, you did.

Speaker 1 You know, we've, my close friends have seen videos from the ring came, from the ring came. And

Speaker 1 we nearly threw a coffee table at her and made her knee turn black. So it's always been that.
There's never been a question on this.

Speaker 3 No, I know, but like it's never been, you know, it's never been a question about that. I'm just saying now it's like another element in it is that he's actually physically touched her.

Speaker 1 Jesus

Speaker 3 thrown her and everyone has seen it. Everyone's like nodding and he does.

Speaker 3 I don't know why I said he doesn't even deny it when he literally says, I never did that right next, but everyone's like nodding like we've all seen it.

Speaker 3 And like, it's also the balls on him that he's going to deny it when he knows it's true. Everyone knows it's true.

Speaker 3 And everyone has been protecting him because everyone, anyone could have said this at any time on the show or in the press, and they haven't, probably out of courtesy to him, which I don't know why they had that.

Speaker 3 And yet,

Speaker 3 despite that courtesy, he still wants to deny it. No.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So Brittany's like,

Speaker 1 you know, everyone's seen the videos, Jack's. And so the question is, how long did she date Julian? And she's like, well, I didn't date him.
We were just hooking up.

Speaker 1 And another thing, you know, like whatever, maybe it was weird that I hooked up with someone that was around my friend group, but my confidence was at an all-time low. I mean, this man degraded me.

Speaker 1 He put me down. He body shaved me constantly.
He hit the ranch dressing, okay? And Jillian gave me attention, and I needed that. Jack stole my sparkle.
You stole my fucking sparkle.

Speaker 1 I literally lost my sparkle. And Jax just rolls his eyes.
It's like a

Speaker 1 sparkle. Sparkle.

Speaker 1 Everyone knows what's what I want to say.

Speaker 3 Sparkle.

Speaker 3 That's how I talk about myself. Sparkle.
I mean, I had your son and you body shaved me for stretch marks, okay? You body shaved me. He's like, I never did.

Speaker 2 You did. I never did.

Speaker 3 I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 I was still laughing at sparkle, not stretch marks. But I just looked ready going, I lost my sparkle.

Speaker 3 I literally called me a tree trunk because I had stretch marks.

Speaker 1 I didn't fuck that.

Speaker 1 And they're all like,

Speaker 1 the one that's like, they're all saying, yes, you did. We've seen it in the text messages.
You fucking loser. You not only did it verbally, you did it in text.

Speaker 1 Like, it's evident, sir and she's like yeah you called me a tree trunk and uh he's like no I didn't and Janet's like just apologize he's like okay well you know I'm very sorry about this like I'm sorry about all of it just everything just everything to be honest you know it's like the last thing I wanted you know everybody seeing this like everybody seeing it I can't control it you guys I have anger I can't control it

Speaker 3 Well, more importantly, Brittany on Watch What Happens Live says you're bad at sex.

Speaker 3 Let's look at this. This is more important.
So we see that Brittany gives him like a low, low, low ranks, says sometimes it was like a seven or an eight, but usually it was a two or a three.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 Jack's like, oh, come on. You know, when you're in a toxic relationship for so long, you know, you just don't have the interest anymore.
I'm like, you brought the toxicity, wasn't it? Well, yeah.

Speaker 3 Of course, she had some of it, but like you were pretty much the toxic,

Speaker 3 toxic waste in this situation.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, you didn't touch me for years. He did not make me feel good about myself.
He put me down. He barely had sex with me for the past three years.

Speaker 1 I mean, why would i be like that he's great and bad yeah he's great i just love having sex with no sport people and jackson's like yeah you know i pushed her away i did everything in my power to get me to leave me she just wouldn't you know like i caused so much pay to so much drama all the alcohol the drugs i was just the icy god the cake you know i think you'll agree with me you know when i started to get bad it was when i lost my job at value pub because not only that happened covet happened And then my wife's pregnant and I'm freaking out financially.

Speaker 1 Like, what am I going to do? How am I going to handle this?

Speaker 1 You know, and and the britney and she goes yeah he started turning on me because i was the one making money instead of him and instead of being happy for me he held it over my head and he held it against me Well, shouldn't you have been happy that she was bringing in the money?

Speaker 3 He's like, yeah, but like as a man, you just want to be able to support your family so that you can hold it over their heads when you cheat on them, you know?

Speaker 3 And Brittany's like, well, well, we weren't in competition. We were a team.
Okay. And I loved him so much.
And I was trying to make our marriage for years. And I was trying to make it work.

Speaker 3 And And then I brushed it off. And I forgave him every single time.
Now he apologized. And I promised that he, he promised that you'd change.
He promised he'd get better.

Speaker 3 He promised he'd bring my sparkle back. And I really believed him because I loved him so much.
Like, you can never deny that I tried everything I possibly could to make this relationship work.

Speaker 3 And he treated me worse than anyone ever else. Anyone would.

Speaker 1 So didn't she say somewhere in here, like, he got jealous of her making the money and he tried to call a lawyer on her? Like, to get some of the money.

Speaker 1 Like, I could have sworn she said something like that. I don't have it in my notes.

Speaker 1 But he, they asked, andy asked about an agreement about co-parenting and she has full custody and um when the divorce is final she'll give him every wednesday and every other weekend and then like if i need to get my nails done or something like that you know like he just has to pass a drug test and uh jax is like yeah i agree i agree so has cruise been to the condo and uh yes he gets to see uh cruise now and it took some time which i totally understand totally understood you know like uh like i don't want to approve our son like britney knows that i don't want to uproot our son and they all start laughing because uh she's like yeah because i had to be the one to take our autistic son and move into an airbnb because you wouldn't move out of the house knowing that he needs stability i mean this guy this is just like

Speaker 1 we know all this but it's just so painful to watch him sit up there and try and be the victim over and over and everyone knows i just want stability from my baby you kicked him out of the house

Speaker 1 yeah

Speaker 3 and um it's just like yeah, you made, you know, like you, you, you didn't pay the, you kicked us out and then you didn't pay the mortgage for seven months. He goes, yeah, well, not on the mortgage.

Speaker 3 I didn't pay my car note. I didn't pay anything.
He says it as if it's like, oh, so this, it makes sense in the context of these things too. It's like, no, that's even worse.

Speaker 3 You're totally irresponsible. You're an irresponsible person and you definitely do not, should not be in a position of

Speaker 1 like.

Speaker 3 being a guardian to this child.

Speaker 1 Well, he's worrying it in a way that's like, yeah, I didn't pay my car. I didn't pay anything.
I just let it all go because I was just done. I was just done with this depression.

Speaker 1 Surely, America, you understand what I'm going through.

Speaker 3 All right. Well, after the explosive fight with Brittany, Jackson made the decision to seek help at a mental health facility called Denny's?

Speaker 1 Denny's does mental health. Is that true?

Speaker 1 He's like, well, you know what I have to do? You know, my job was on the line. My son, you didn't give a fuck about your son.
And I'm so sick of you bringing up your son over and over again.

Speaker 1 Like that's your shield. You know, you don't give a fuck about your son.
You never have. You fucking kicked your son out of the house and now you're going to sit up here and cry your son every day.

Speaker 1 You don't want to see my son. You never tried to see your son when you got out of there.
Shut the fuck up about your son. You don't care.
Do your son a favor and never go around that kid again.

Speaker 1 Let the kid pretend that you're fucking dead because that would be better for him. And then his whole, yeah, my job is on the line.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you went there because they threatened to fire you unless you went after you abused your wife again.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 And note that he listed his job job first before his son so uh so and he's like and so your job with the show he's like yeah i was just in such a bad place i i didn't want to go i didn't think i needed help but thank god because my job and my son those are the two most important things to me especially the job and you know carlos or whatever my son's name is also important to me so once you start taking those you know those things away it's just like jesus you like you need to you need to go to rehab you know and he's like well you actually went twice like yeah i relapsed um although i does it count as a relapse if you were never quite like unlapsed in the first place?

Speaker 3 Isn't it just the first time? I don't know what it is, but they made me go back another time.

Speaker 1 I was trying to get the timeline of this because it's been so confusing over the season, you know, like what we've seen and then what's being reported.

Speaker 1 So from what I've been able to find out, and this comes from a report on Brittany talking about it on her podcast. Apparently he went.

Speaker 1 The first time when the show made him, which we saw on camera, he went to this whatever fluffy duffy outpatient type thing where like he could leave is what I mean which is the one we saw on the show and then he was using so he got sent back to he went he went to an actual rehab and then he didn't like that because they were you know they're going to be a lot harder on you and like a real rehab.

Speaker 1 So he left that after two days and then he fucked up again and then went back to the floofy doofy one and then left after 17 days because he couldn't handle that either.

Speaker 1 So this guy's never made a real fucking effort.

Speaker 3 No, he really really hasn't.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 here, so here he's saying that like he was out, like Brittany is saying he was out the first week.

Speaker 3 And she says, the thing with him is the first time he acted like the drugs and the alcohol were not a problem. And he's like, no, drugs and alcohol, I think, are not the big problem.

Speaker 3 I feel like, you know, you're just masking hurt, like whatever you're going through, fighting, all the stuff I was doing to Britney.

Speaker 3 And I was angry, and I would use drugs and alcohol to take it away just for a couple of hours because I'm the one who's the real real victim here. I'm like, well, maybe it's all of the above.

Speaker 3 Maybe it's the drugs and the alcohol and the emotional shit. But he now says he's been sober for 156 days, except for weed.

Speaker 3 And Andy's like, do you believe that he's sober? And, you know, she's like, well, he does a drug test and he passes. And, you know,

Speaker 3 I've given him, I give them to him sporadically. And he's like, twice.
You've only given me drug tests twice.

Speaker 1 Shouldn't you be happy about that?

Speaker 1 I know.

Speaker 1 I know. He's like trying to hold her.
Well, that's his also his big thing that he's hinted at a few times. Like, well, you know, I only got like this because Britney let me.

Speaker 1 Like, I don't know why she put up with it this long, you know? Like, I didn't realize how out of control I was. And Britney just let it happen.

Speaker 1 And she's like, Yeah, I got a hundred pack of drug tests. So, you know, I can test him.
He's like, Yeah, he did it twice. She goes, Well, I get a call every Monday from a guy.

Speaker 1 And, you know, it's like Tom Schwartz, like, hi, I'm just, um, I'm just calling to say, um, I've got to test back from Jackson. Oh, he's just a boy.
He's 100% just a boy. So

Speaker 3 boys will be boys.

Speaker 1 So Jackson's like, oh, yeah, yeah. I make sure they call Britney to let him know I'm passing.
You know, you know, it's very important to me that they call Britney.

Speaker 1 And she goes, yeah, but who's the person that made it happen? And he goes, okay, well, no one made it happen, but it was just the right thing to do. It was just the right thing to do.

Speaker 1 She's like, I made it happen. Oh, by the way, are you on steroids? And he's like, no, I'm not a steroid.
She goes, yeah, yeah, really? Because your attitude and your personality.

Speaker 1 And this is a thing that Stasi had problems with too, right?

Speaker 1 Like he was losing all he was having rage fits and all of this shit too and she went and got rid of all his protein shakes and all this other shit because it's also roiting out so um

Speaker 1 she's saying his personality is so crazy and she's like okay so if it's not drugs and it's not steroids and it's not alcohol and it's not this or it's not then why are you still just as crazy as before

Speaker 3 Are you saying his anger has not improved? What? So you worked on your anger? He's like, no, I'm trying to work on my anger.

Speaker 3 And I'm still very trying to work on that i'm very trying and he's like but it sounds like she's saying it hasn't changed he's like he's like i i think it's gotten a lot better i mean do you agree it's gotten a lot better she's like someday's okay but she's basically like no it has not gotten better so he's like and he's like well i would assume that you agree that if you were on steroids it would be detrimental to your anger issues have you thought about this dum-dum and he's like look i'm not on anything except steroids and everything i was doing before keep testing me i want you to test me hold me accountable in my head If I ever tried to step again, I know you're not going to, you're going to, you're going to test me.

Speaker 3 I want you to test me. He's like getting, he's doing the exact same thing that you said, where he's still kind of like

Speaker 3 putting it on someone else to keep him on the street and narrow instead of himself.

Speaker 1 He's like, yeah, please keep me straight. Please, because I don't want to touch drugs and alcohol again because like it's fucked up my life.

Speaker 1 Well, we know that's a lie because you just said two seconds ago that it's not drugs and alcohol, it's anger.

Speaker 1 So we know that this is a prepared bullshit speech that the owner of Rocco's gave you to read. So please with this, yeah.

Speaker 1 And he's like, it's just so hard, you know, like, and I know I'm not the victim. She's the victim.
She's the victim, you know, not me, but I'm just human. I'm human, you know.

Speaker 1 And some people think I'm the devil and I get it, but I have feelings too.

Speaker 1 Like, it's the hardest fucking thing to do in front of God and everyone, the audience. Please, you've taken nothing but joy in being an abusive piece of shit for years now.
I do not believe you.

Speaker 1 I do not believe you. I don't even care if you're sober.
I don't care if you get your shit together. To me, it's too little, too late.
Goodbye. Stay off of my TV.

Speaker 1 Stay away from me and stay away from anybody who is a decent person. You are a piece of shit.
You are irredemptive. I don't care if you get clean.
I don't care. It doesn't even matter.

Speaker 1 You're a terrible person.

Speaker 3 Well, you knew you were filming whenever you did these things. Like, yeah, I knew, but that, but that's, but I'm not, I'm not thinking about that timing.
Okay.

Speaker 3 That's why our show is the real shit because I put everything out there. So basically, Bravo, you should hire me back.
Despite all this, I make great television. I'm sincere.
Okay. Thanks so much.

Speaker 1 I put everything out there. You've done nothing but lie since you've come on this show.
You've never been honest. Even right now, in two minutes, you got caught with lies.

Speaker 1 What do you, is that drugs and alcohol? It's drugs and alcohol ruined my life.

Speaker 1 I want nothing but

Speaker 1 for my son to have stability. You kicked them out of your house.
Like, there's too much to even list with you. Just shut up.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Wow. Well, that was the first episode.
We got two more to come. There's going to be a lot of stuff to cover on this reason.

Speaker 1 Oh, and by the way, congratulations to Danny, who brought out on the season finale that Jax was fucking his employees over at Jax's Bar and Grill, and then Jax got fired the same week.

Speaker 3 Nailed it. So good.

Speaker 3 So good.

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