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Speaker 7 All right.

Speaker 7 Well, Elizabeth from Berkeley said, Drew, you seemed upset that Shami and Portia went out to eat with Ralph. Is that hypocritical when Portia felt it was wrong for you to shoot with Dennis?

Speaker 7 And Drew's like, Well, I mean, you sat there and you kikied with someone who is publicly humiliating me, unless we're making steaks together. Who you have seen as behavior, Portia.

Speaker 7 And I came to your birthday party when we filmed your spin-off. Remember, I went to a birthday party.
I mean, you had free food, but I still went. And so we see a clip of her going.

Speaker 7 And she's like, you know, because I cried to to you about how Ralph left me. And Portia's like, yeah, but I thought it was fake.
So

Speaker 7 that's why I thought it was okay to do this. Portia was super, Portia and Shamia both were super shitty for doing this.
I mean, Ralph is some kid who's like stalking her.

Speaker 7 You know, he had the hidden cameras. He had the cheating.
He had all the shit that he's saying online. Coming for her mom.
He's doing really nasty shit to her.

Speaker 7 And so, yeah, it would have been more equal if it was Drew bringing Simon on screen, not

Speaker 7 Dennis. Well, Portia, Portia says, like, well, I can't get up.

Speaker 7 I keep up with you guys, the lies, and you, with you and him, like, all you're saying is, I don't know, like, you guys, you guys lie, which I think is fair, actually, because you cannot tell with the lies with Drew and Ralph.

Speaker 7 But also, I think that this is the moment where Portia should go back to what she said in an earlier episode of the reunion when she said, yeah, I was just being messy. That's it.

Speaker 7 I was just being messy because you were being messy and I wanted to take a swipe at you. So I was being messy because that's the truth.
That's the real truth.

Speaker 7 Like, yeah, you may not be able to keep up with the lies, but but you also know that when you do that, you ced any sort of moral high ground you think you have about the whole Dennis and Drew thing.

Speaker 7 So just stop trying to be like, well, I was justified in doing that. Just say you were being messy.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 So Porsche's like, well, I'm just saying I think you guys are in cahoots when it comes to some of the drama you promote.

Speaker 7 Which I think,

Speaker 7 I mean, I don't know. It seems like that when you're posting those Instagram videos.
So then Andy's like, well, Brooke from Lynn Heights says, Shamia, why did you set up Portia to meet with Ralph?

Speaker 7 To get back a Drew?

Speaker 7 You didn't like her calling you a lap dog, but that was lapdog behavior. And Shamia's like, well, I mean, you know, it was, but, you know, has she called me a lapdog the whole season? So, okay.

Speaker 7 Well, let me act like a lapdog then. You want to see a lapdog? Okay.
So, yeah, it was that. It was.
I don't believe this.

Speaker 7 That was a weird, but I did not like, for some reason, I really did not like this response from Shamia. This seems like, like, you're going to call me a lapdog.
So fine, I'll be a lapdog.

Speaker 7 No, you didn't do that like as some sort of strident owning of a criticism. You did it because you were being, you were being a sincere lap dog.
You were not being lapdog.

Speaker 7 You were not being an ironic lap dog in that moment. You were being an actual lap dog.

Speaker 7 Don't try to take ownership of it, ownership of it after the fact. Like this was some empowerment moment for you.
It was not.

Speaker 7 You were just being messy as Mel as Portia.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 7 So Angela,

Speaker 7 Shimia's like, yeah, you know, lapdog, lapdog.

Speaker 7 So Angela's like, please don't talk about yourself like that and shamia's like well i mean she keeps saying it you know and honestly for me i just i'm feel like i'm being a loyal friend like you were to her and angela's like no but you know like um she goes no but i'm too big to sit on anybody's lap so that's a difference so they all laugh and um kelly's like well i think we're all loyal friends oh right

Speaker 7 okay all right you've been fighting for 13 hours now about shit that you did to each other

Speaker 7 and he says this, which I thought was funny. He goes, Twitter said, Drew, this is the first time he just said, just the whole platform.

Speaker 7 The whole platform, Twitter said, Drew, in a recent interview, you admitted to spending, sending flirty texts to Ty, her ex, also said that you both spoke for an average of 3,000 minutes a month.

Speaker 7 Is this the main reason why you're getting a divorce? And Drew's like, well, I mean, we have remained, you know, to, you know, we have remained to say that we are friends.

Speaker 7 And, but first of all, I think that if you do the math, 000 minutes or whatever is really not that much time

Speaker 7 true three three three thousand minutes is literally a lot of time like three hour minutes 3 000 minutes how many hours is that so that's that's what is that five

Speaker 7 it's 50 hours you flounder well then what are you giving me math at no i'm i wasn't it was a rhetorical it was um

Speaker 7 you're so smart i mean i already knew that i was just being silent because I was doing it on the calculator. But yeah, 50 hours.
That's a lot in a month. 50 hours is a lot in a month.

Speaker 7 And Phaedra, at first, I was really impressed because Phaedra goes, well, that's about 10 minutes a day. And I was like, oh my God, look at Phaedra with the on-spot math.
But no, it's not.

Speaker 7 If it's a month, it's 50 hours a month. That's like talking for 90 minutes every day, basically.

Speaker 7 A little bit more than that.

Speaker 7 In a 31-day month, I'd like to add.

Speaker 7 In a 30-day month, I mean, we're just, those stats are just skyrocketing. You guys can't do this to me.

Speaker 7 You know what happens when you're doing it. You're getting close to two hours at that point.
You're doing it. But the point is, like, that's a lot.
Like, I hate talking on the phone.

Speaker 7 I have some friends who are like, they're like, Ben, why don't you ever call?

Speaker 7 And I'm like, well, first of all, the phone goes two ways, but also I don't want to encourage you to call me because I don't like talking on the phone. I hate talking on the phone.

Speaker 7 I just want to text and send little DMs.

Speaker 7 I have certain friends that I'll talk to. And then I talk, I mean, I do talk on the phone quite a bit, but I can't do it with everybody.
You know why I don't think I like talking on on the phone?

Speaker 7 I think because what we do right here is like gabbing on the phone. Like we're just seeing her gabbing.
Like, and then she said, I don't like that. And you're like, yeah, I liked it.
What?

Speaker 7 But I didn't like it. Well, I liked it.
Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, I have to have meetings with my friends.

Speaker 7 Not meet, you know, I have to have specified times where we talk on the phone because, yeah, today I'm not going to talk on the phone.

Speaker 7 But, you know, on lighter days, I'll, I'll talk, I'll do my three hours with my bestie and stuff. But yeah, I can't do it every day.

Speaker 7 So Shamia's like, wow, I'm married and I don't even talk to my husband for 3,000 minutes. And Drew's like, did we see a receipt on that?

Speaker 7 I mean, people can throw things out, but does that always make it true?

Speaker 7 And Andy's like, well, okay. And then who is black? And are you dating him? She's like, he's a friend.

Speaker 7 Now, like I said before, he owns the number one hookah company in the country. And I am here to give everybody a free hookah.
Everybody gets a free hookah.

Speaker 7 And he's like, you know, that makes it look like you're banging him because you are now promoting his thing. She's like, he has lots of friends.

Speaker 7 This is almost as bad of a flex as when Kenya sort of dated the guy who had the rest, like, Kale Me Crazy. I think he called it.
Kill me crazy. Yes.

Speaker 7 Kill me crazy opened in WeO for all of six months and a close. Like, literally, it did not last, I don't think, more than six months.

Speaker 7 Well, they should have called it a Kail Me by Your Name if they're going to open it in We Ho, you know, like give us some game.

Speaker 5 I know.

Speaker 7 We need to have Misha on and do an episode about Kale Me Crazy in the Weho. Talk about the big big flop.

Speaker 7 Just talk about like the life and times of a fast casual Kale restaurant. But

Speaker 7 then Kale.

Speaker 7 So then Drew goes about and starts,

Speaker 7 you know, he starts, she starts basically handing out hookah gifts to everyone. She gets out everyone these tiny little hookahs, little baby hookahs or vapes, I should say.

Speaker 7 And no one looks particularly impressed. You know, like this is the housewives where you give out things that have diamonds on them.

Speaker 7 You don't give out things that you could find in like a store in Times Square. Drew's like, I'm dating a paperclip hair.

Speaker 7 Everybody hears a paperclip.

Speaker 7 Drew handing out vapes or like little pipes as if this is like the height of luxury on bravo is so Drew Sedora.

Speaker 7 I mean, this is why I really vacillate between being like, oh my God, I can't stand Drew, but also like, I like love, I think Drew is so, like, has become the perfect housewife because she's so delusional.

Speaker 7 And she's so, she's so, she's so upwardly mobile and yet

Speaker 7 very stagnant at the same time.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Okay. Well, Massapussy from Cambridge says, Drew, if you were dating someone, why don't you just come clean in order to shut down rumors about you wanting the hot dog man?

Speaker 7 And she's like, oh my God, Dennis is not my type. I mean, if you know my type, I mean, look at Ralph.
I like flat-headed men, or I'm sorry, triangle-headed men with really good physiques.

Speaker 7 And Porsche's like,

Speaker 7 yeah,

Speaker 7 Black's not all that either, baby.

Speaker 7 It's like, oh, now you're coming for my friend. Now you're calling my hookah friend fat.

Speaker 7 She's like, well, you're coming for my friend. She's like, Andy's like, well, if you were dating someone, would you bring them on the show? Absolutely.

Speaker 7 And when I have a boyfriend, I will be so happy to share who that boyfriend is. And Portia's like, or a girlfriend.
She's like, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 7 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And Portia's like, no, we know, honey, I know, come on.

Speaker 7 So they start joking about like, oh, bring them out, bring them out, you know? So Andy's like, all right. Bruce's like, well, Porsche's been dating too, and I have receipts.

Speaker 7 And she's dating a, like, an African guy in Buckhead. And Porsche's like, oh, really? Well, you, we all know I love my Africans.
That could be true. So next we move on to

Speaker 7 the guys,

Speaker 7 the boys. Here they come.
The guys are here. Ralph, Ralph.
This Ralph comes in and he's like, says hi to Cynthia. She's like, don't sit next.
Don't sit behind me. I don't want to be in the shit show.

Speaker 7 all right welcome back hey guys well this this hot spots reunion continues with a scattering of men we've got dennis the hot dog guy ralph and charles oakley cool so he's like so dennis you and porsche are not even matching tonight

Speaker 7 porsche is like yeah like i sent you a picture and dennis dennis is wearing like a red plaid blazer um i actually kind of like it believe it or not i wasn't i wanted to hate it but i secretly liked it.

Speaker 7 And then Andy doesn't like that Shamia's husband didn't come. And she's like, he's staying at home with our children.
He's like, couldn't get a babysitter.

Speaker 7 And she's like, yeah, this isn't really his thing, Andy. So

Speaker 7 and then we go to Charles, who's the enforcer, but he's just here to support his wife. Okay, guys? Yeah.

Speaker 7 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 7 So Andy's like, all right, let me start with Dennis. Can you clear this up? Did you talk to Porsche about working with Drew?

Speaker 7 And he's like, we had a small conversation, but you know, I talked to Ralph first because that's my brother. So I'd assume that Drew would handle this, handle the woman's side.

Speaker 7 You guys, you know, men can talk to women. We are allowed to do these things.
You are allowed to tell the lady

Speaker 7 that

Speaker 7 is also

Speaker 7 the mother of your child.

Speaker 7 Like, you're business dealing. You are allowed to do this.
The fact that he's like, yeah,

Speaker 7 I talked to Ralph and I wanted drew to tell porsche i mean that what is what sort of is this this classic dynasty i forgot how slippery he is too like a boiled hot dog himself boys talk to boys and girls talk to girls and porsche's calling him out she's like oh really oh really so

Speaker 7 you you didn't talk to Drew and he's like well you know um and she goes so you're saying that you asked me about it and he goes well we talked about working together she goes and you told me and he's like well we didn't have an in-depth conversation because I felt like it was Drew's place to clear that up because, you know, boobs, you know, only you have boobs.

Speaker 7 She has boobs. So Drew's like, but you told me you talked to Portia because I was expressing to you that I was trying to call Portia and have a conversation.

Speaker 7 And you said we had a conversation and she's good.

Speaker 7 All right.

Speaker 7 Well, Dennis, when you, when you confronted about, when confronted about mentioning that Drew wanted to sleep with you in exchange for music, which is the saddest indecent proposal of all time, sleeping with a hot dog guy to get a hit single, you kind of dodged up by owning, by saying that.

Speaker 7 Like, did you tell Portia that Drew wanted to sleep with you? And so Dennis is like, no, absolutely not. I definitely did not.
So Portia's like, oh, what was the text then, Dennis?

Speaker 7 And he's like, no, the text read, I'm trying to get some money and Drew wants to fuck me. That's all I wrote.

Speaker 7 So clearly, I don't know what you guys are hearing when I say that, but there was nothing about her wanting to have sex with me. And she's like, the text said, I'm trying to get money.

Speaker 7 I'm not trying to fuck. That's what the text said, verbatim.

Speaker 7 And

Speaker 7 so Drew's like, yeah, but that for the record was not from me. And she goes, okay, well, now he's denying it, which is just basically kind of what we knew this whole season.

Speaker 7 They're fighting over something that's Dennis's fault, basically. Yep.

Speaker 7 Dennis just hoped he wouldn't get called by trying to get attention off of yet another housewife. So he's like, well, you know, Ralph's my friend in real life.

Speaker 7 So to insinuate a music, a relationship outside of music is just ridiculous. And she's like, okay, well, then what you were responding to when you said, I don't want anybody.

Speaker 7 And he's like, I don't even know if the text said that. She's like, we just showed the texts.
So.

Speaker 7 So Ralph's like, well, just exactly what Porsche said.

Speaker 7 You know, I didn't know exactly what the relationship was, but to me, you know, it just became a little weird just because, you know, Drew had mentioned like that she was like, I don't know, like, she was like trying to holler at her.

Speaker 7 So like, I don't know.

Speaker 7 And Drew is like, no, I never did this. And Ralph's like, I promise.
I promise in everything. That's what it said.
I promise. She was trying to do that.

Speaker 7 Drew's like, no, you're not going to come on here and start lying. He's like, no, no, no.
I'm being totally sincere.

Speaker 7 I'm a good guy, everyone. I'm Ralph, America's favorite, Ralph.
I'm not going to lie about it. I would never lie.
I'm Ralph. I never lie.
So she's like, well, Dennis has never been inappropriate.

Speaker 7 I've never said that to you. And he's like, you never said that.
And she goes, yeah, so for you to say that out of your lying face, I cannot wait to make pancakes with you later on camera.

Speaker 7 And he's like, I don't lie. I don't lie.
That's one thing I'm not doing. Ralph, you fucking lie all the time.
Have you forgotten that you've been been on camera for years lying now years sir

Speaker 7 you come on come on ralph you come on here and you got dressed up at all in your white you got your fade clean you know you want to come here for the cameras and every time you come here you do the same thing you lie and then you play victim it's not cute bro and if you're don't if you don't quiet up soon i'm gonna have to sing a song to your face again oh god i wish she did basement

Speaker 7 You're in the basement with my heart.

Speaker 7 So she's like, get on, oh, you're going to get all this smoke. That's what you came here for.
And he's like, all right, then, all right, come on. Come on then.

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Speaker 7 So, so Andy's like, Dennis, do you see yourself getting back together with Portia? All of zero people in America care about this.

Speaker 7 And Dennis is like, I mean, you know, I really love Portia and she's back on the market. So you never know.
And they're like, ha.

Speaker 7 I'm like, please, no more, Dennis, please. So what does he feel that he's friends with Gerald and that Shamiya and Portia have trouble?

Speaker 7 And he's like, well, you know, I stay out of women's business, which is hilarious because he's literally starting women's business drama to get on TV all year.

Speaker 7 But he's like, you know, Gerald has a penis, so I talk to him, but I stay out of the women's business because they'll probably be friends tomorrow. So

Speaker 7 I'm not getting into it. Sort of true.
Yeah. Sort of true, too.

Speaker 7 So then what about the allegations that he took a Brit on a date and bought her a chain and also slid into Kelly's DMs?

Speaker 7 And he's like, okay, well, I heard what Kelly said, but she didn't say the other half, but that's all good. And she goes, what was the other half?

Speaker 7 And he's like, well, you know, Britt was a long time ago before I was running around with Portia.

Speaker 7 And Shami's like, no, what was the other half? And Kelly's like, yeah, I'm still waiting. And he goes, well, I'm a gentleman.
So that's all good. She goes, oh, stop it.
Let's be clear.

Speaker 7 We never did anything or talked on the phone. You might have called once or twice.
And Angela's like, oh, that is talking on the phone. And Andy's like, yeah, you said you never talked on the phone.

Speaker 7 And she goes, well, once or twice, I mean, like, he called me, like, are you outside? No, I'm inside. You know, stuff like that.
And Andy's like, what does that mean?

Speaker 7 Yeah, it basically was like on a business level, they coordinated some things like, oh, I'm here. So then why, oh, that's fine.

Speaker 7 But then why did you go on camera and act like he crawled into your DMs if like they accepted their relationship? Yeah.

Speaker 7 Extended your relationship.

Speaker 7 Yeah, extended relationships just coordinating like chafers or something, you know? I mean, look, here's just another example of Kelly.

Speaker 7 You know, you're up here, you're with Dennis, and you look like the untrustworthy one now. And that's crazy.
That is extreme untrustworthiness.

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Speaker 7 Well, Ralph, Drew revealed that she found out about you bringing a woman into the basement and the woman has a manifesto. How do you feel about that? Are you joining her cause?

Speaker 7 He's like, no, that's not even true. It's not.
She's like, really? It's not true. No, it's not true at all.
Okay, there never was a woman, but there was a woman.

Speaker 7 And okay, so she came to the house, but she only came through the gate, but she didn't come into the house. But she came into the house.

Speaker 7 I mean, she came into the basement, but she wasn't in the house she was outside but in the basement and upstairs too and i brought around the kids but i never brought around the kids stop saying i'm a liar and andy's like so she was outside with kelly it's pretty good and ralph's like no no no it wasn't that you know we're working on a fitness program you know it was about fitness programs of stepfathers who adopt their stepsons so they call me daddy in the kitchen yeah it was just about that um with the kindergarten let me just say this let me just say this if someone wants to twinkle something on the keys okay when these cameras are off, you know, you love me, Drew.

Speaker 7 You know what I'm saying? And you got this, you got this on-camera, off-camera thing, and that's really confusing me. And at the end of the day, man, I love you.
I'm not here to be your enemy.

Speaker 7 I just want to make sure we raise beautiful kids on camera.

Speaker 7 I just don't understand why every time I just try to be a good person, and then Drew drags me out here to make me look like a liar or a bad person. It's just me, Ralph, who only wants to be good.

Speaker 7 Good to women, good to families. Me, Ralph, the good one.
I'll make love to you like you want me to.

Speaker 7 I'll be by your side. I'll write you a manifesto.
Come on, Drew, take me back.

Speaker 7 So,

Speaker 7 Shamia's like, well, we were mad at you before you came out.

Speaker 7 And Andy's like, yeah, we saw you feeding Drew's steak. And he's like, well, that's how we are when there's no cameras.
You know, that's how we are. We're just happy.

Speaker 7 You know, I chew chew steak into our mouth. You know, I hashtag things, daddy.
That's just how it is

Speaker 7 drew's like i mean those are great words and i appreciate it but like you know i would also love it if you could back up those words because like the energy that you know that i have because of the press tour that you've been on that's where my energy is coming from because you've been tweeting things about my mom and my dad and even my cousin michael jordan and like i mean there's not been an apology and ralph's like yeah but you hugged me you hugged me which shows that you're not really mad about the fact that i said your mom needs to keep her mouth shut and andy's like um but do you want to maybe apologize have you apologized are you gonna apologize like no I mean, I will.

Speaker 7 I mean, I was there. Look, I was there when they were in a place where they lost everything.
And I was like, I was there to pick up the pieces. And

Speaker 7 as I always told my children, when someone loses everything, you go onto Twitter and you say, shut your fucking mouth about you complaining about me because I helped you.

Speaker 7 That's what the noble thing is to do.

Speaker 7 And Cynthia is like, well, I would like to add, Ralph, be mindful of what you put on social media because it brings everybody else into it. So just say that.
Countertops.

Speaker 7 Hashtag call call me countertops.

Speaker 7 She's really bringing some like big fortune cookie energy. Be careful that you say it because it may come around.
It cracks me up every time they cut to Cynthia.

Speaker 7 They're like, Cynthia, please just sit there and nod your head and say wise things every once in a while. She's like, okay, got it.
Got it. I got this.
So

Speaker 7 Ralph is basically like, well, I used to have a beautiful relationship with Drew's mom, and I want to get back to there. And I will apologize.
I will.

Speaker 7 Okay. It was the easiest thing to, how about just don't say it in the first place? So now we move to Charles.

Speaker 7 So how does he think Angela did? And he's like, you know, she did great. She cried a couple of times, but just, you know, like I said, honey, you know, you jumped in the pool.

Speaker 7 You got to know how to swim. And he's like, okay, well, there, it looks like you hate your wife on TV.
So what's that about? You look like you hate her fucking guts. What's that about?

Speaker 7 Yeah. And he's like, well, you know, I'm her husband and I, you know, I give her back.

Speaker 7 And, you know, I have her back through thick and thin, but I've just like not, I'm not someone who like really likes to show that shit, like whatever, you know?

Speaker 7 And so Andy's like, well, people didn't know you were married. So what's up with that? Are you hiding your wife? And he's like, no, I don't hide my wife.
I don't know.

Speaker 7 I don't know who's married either. I hear it all the time.
So you don't hide her, but you don't tell anybody that you're married. Is that what you're saying?

Speaker 7 And he's like, well, a lot of people, they don't know me, but they, you know, you know, Shamia, I just met for the first time on the show, but she said she was at Dominique wedding and I was there.

Speaker 7 And she goes, Shamia is like, well, I've met you several times. He goes, where? She goes, well, you might not know me.
I mean, obviously you're a legend, but, you know, you're at Neek's wedding.

Speaker 7 And he goes, but you didn't meet me. I was there, but that's not meeting me.

Speaker 7 He kept saying this to everyone. And I love that his energy was like, just like, who are you people?

Speaker 7 He's like, why are we, why are you talking to me right now? I'm just here because my wife asked me to. I don't need this bullshit.

Speaker 7 Please stop trying to come for me because I can destroy all of you, and I don't need any of you. And I really don't care what you say about me.

Speaker 7 I think it's annoying that he's like, No, you don't really know me. So, what, you met me? That doesn't mean you know me.
She said, She met you. She doesn't say she knows you.

Speaker 7 Like, why are you acting like it's like it's this huge thing to have met you before? He's like, You've never met me. How dare you?

Speaker 7 Because he's probably dealt with like a lot of fakers who are like, Oh my god, like, you know, you meet someone once and they're like, Oh my God, I'm totally friends with Charles Oakley.

Speaker 7 And he's like, I don't know you.

Speaker 7 But in this case, it was what was actually funny is that he was actually wrong because they show pictures of him like pictures of him and Shamia like they at a wedding so they definitely did meet or him and Gerald right yeah well no there's but uh well I think Shamia was in one of the pictures I think but either way I did like I just liked how flummoxed they were by him because it's like the like they're trying to be like well we know each other and he's like We were in the we were in a room together, but we didn't actually meet.

Speaker 7 They didn't know how to deal with it.

Speaker 7 And they were all kind of like stumbling like, but but but but but we but we know you he's like no i don't remember you so angel is like uh shimia's like well i met you at my party and i met your husband you know nba at the game and i said hey but i never

Speaker 7 said something like i met you but i don't know you or something like that she goes but i wasn't digging at you and angela's like well i felt like it was a dig because you said all these years i knew charles i never knew he had a wife so i'm like how could you know he's married if he doesn't know you and shumia's like but i have met him and she goes okay but you don't know him and she's like okay so Andy says Charles do you remember meeting Phaedra and he's like no

Speaker 7 so Phaedra he's at Phaedra's asked where they met and she's like well I mean I've I've been in several rooms with him and he's like okay so one of those rooms could have been a bathroom what do I know I don't know her I do not know this person she's like not in the same bathroom

Speaker 7 so um so Charles is like I don't know I don't care so Phaedra's like well I know Sheree very well and I remember when y'all were a couple at one point, which somehow I actually didn't know that, by the way.

Speaker 7 And he's like, yeah. He's like, okay, we were a couple.
That doesn't mean you know me, though. I mean, me and Sheree were a couple.
And Pedro's like, I know you were a couple.

Speaker 7 She goes, well, why do people say they know us personally? Because I know Sheree. She's like, what I'm saying is I have been in your presence on numerous occasions.
He's like, where?

Speaker 7 With Shere.

Speaker 7 So

Speaker 7 why is the conversation whether I'm married or not? Like everyone here wants to know about me. Well, what about y'all? I'm only husband here.
Where are y'all husbands at? Where are y'all husbands?

Speaker 7 That was great.

Speaker 7 I mean, actually, it got away from the point, which was that like, okay, Phaedra may have met Charles or may have known about Charles, but she did go on camera acting like she goes way back with Charles and never, and he never talks about having a wife.

Speaker 7 And like, they all kind of like spoke like they had more proximity to him than they really do. And so that's why he's like, what's wrong with you people?

Speaker 7 Well, I think a lot of what they're saying, because even Angela, when she, Angela and Charles right now, when they talk about their marriage, which is coming up, but when they, I think everybody's saying like this, Charles is cheating and doing all sorts of stuff around town.

Speaker 7 Like, and then you, you meet Angela and she's like bragging that she's his wife or whatever.

Speaker 7 And you're like, oh, Charles Oakley, like, I've been around Charles Oakley and nobody, like, if someone says, I've been around this person and you would never know they have a wife, that insinuates that that person's been like in the streets, right?

Speaker 7 Which I think was the insinuation, which is what he's getting at. He's like, so what is this conversation? But no one's going to say because he's too famous, I think.

Speaker 7 No one is going to just say, well, you've clearly been cheating on her over and over again for years, sir. That's why we're saying it.
Like, what are you not understanding?

Speaker 7 It's not about trying to pretend that we're your best friends.

Speaker 7 We're saying Angela's acting like she has this happy marriage when her husband's blatantly cheating on her for all of these years in public. Right.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 And like he's too famous and he also clearly doesn't want to play any games.

Speaker 7 So they're like a little like, they're sort of like, don't know how to approach him, which is I think, I think that's the articulation of, of why I was amused because they didn't like they know how to deal with what they didn't have the guts to do it.

Speaker 7 They had the guts to insinuate it, but when it came down to it, they were like, I'm saying nothing. Okay, thank you.
But, and you know what I thought was genuinely funny?

Speaker 7 It was when Charles was like, where are all your husbands? And Brush is like, I actually genuinely don't know where my husband is.

Speaker 7 So then Andy asks about Sheree, and I guess they did it back in 2005, like a long time ago. So it was pre-Shere even on Bravo.

Speaker 7 And Angel's like, and Sheree's not desperate and doesn't pretend like she's still with my husband, like other people.

Speaker 7 And Abby's like, okay, well, you know, a lot of people talking about the outside baby. Let's talk about outside babies.
And he's like, where else do you have babies?

Speaker 7 I mean, if you had a baby and it stayed inside, it would never grow up. And if it did grow up, it would kill the mother because you can't hold an adult in your stomach.
Yeah. Well, you know what?

Speaker 7 All this talk about babies. Where's everyone's babies? Like, okay, Charles.

Speaker 7 So then he says, he's just asking where things are that's what he's gonna do from now on he says that wendy williams had a cook off for charity because this is charles's thing he cooks he's like wait i can cook for 400 people i'm in

Speaker 7 so uh then angela he he sort of retreads the whole story how angela talked to wendy and then wendy misinterpreted and brought it to her show and made it a whole big thing

Speaker 7 and uh turned the whole story around and then angela is saying like you know like yeah though charles has a side baby and the story's out there and by the way charles tell them about the time wendy invited you over for dinner and he's like oh yeah she's like you want to come over have some wine but she had a cat and i was allergic to cats so i couldn't go that's the story

Speaker 7 and answer's like wait so if she had a she didn't have a cat you would have went and he's like well i'm i drink wine so and she's like but you're saying you would have gone on a date and he goes well i would have had a glass of wine and is that a date Is that a date?

Speaker 7 And he's like,

Speaker 7 I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 7 And he's like, i i said i would have a glass of wine and she goes but that's a date he goes okay then whatever you want to call it she goes oh god well angela you brought up the story

Speaker 7 why is she bringing up a story that she's she's like oh tell him that good story and she's acting like she's never heard it before

Speaker 7 I think she it keeps backfiring. I think she wanted him to be like, yeah, she's coming after me.
Like I had all these side babies, but then she's trying to date me.

Speaker 7 But then it turns into like, well, I would have gone.

Speaker 7 So then Andy asks about Mass Square Garden, and they talk about how that, you know, he, Charles talks about how he was really frustrated with that.

Speaker 7 And they say it was a strain on the relationship, but then they started therapy and it's been really helpful. And he's just like really happy that Angela stayed strong with him.

Speaker 7 And then she was like, basically, it was interesting, I thought, because the way they phrased it, she said, okay, he got kicked out of Madison Square Garden, and this is a man with a gigantic ego.

Speaker 7 And I think he started with all these other women. You know, there were all these other women because he needed to feed his ego, basically.

Speaker 7 So she's like, so I was out of there, which kind of goes back to lending the things that the other ladies were saying. It lends it credence, right?

Speaker 7 So then Jimia tries to be funny and she's like, well, so just to be clear, you would take Wendy Williams for a glass of wine, not Wendy the therapist. And they put this poor therapist up on screen.

Speaker 7 Like, can you not make this lady the butt of a joke when she's here just trying to help these two people, like, you know, figure out their emotional states?

Speaker 7 But I like that Charles charles didn't get wendy the therapist i like that charles didn't get it at all and he goes no they're two different people

Speaker 7 he really did not get it he gets upset like you think i'm going to wendy williams for therapy really

Speaker 7 he's like but wendy the therapist does have a cat in case you didn't see her photo in case it wasn't clear from her photo

Speaker 7 um so basically they're talking about going to therapy and how much it helps and so andy's like okay before i let the guys go anyone else want to say or clear up anything else from the season and kelly's like well i would like to know what my ex-husband told you ralph you know getting on ralph for apparently hanging out with this dude and he's like well i mean you know uh the circumstances of his divorce you know i mean it was nothing else to share She's like, she's like, I appreciate that.

Speaker 7 I appreciate it. But you appreciate what did he say?

Speaker 7 How could that response ever like engender appreciation? She's like, and let me just tell you this.

Speaker 7 I think it's amazing that you, Drew, that you still have a man and a husband that wants to take care of his children. I don't have that.
Just a reminder that I don't have a man in my life.

Speaker 7 I only have these bangles.

Speaker 7 And that's it. Okay.
So I'm the real victim here, everyone. Anyone want to pay attention to me? Yeah, Kelly's like, I may not have a lot in this reunion, but I do have the worst divorce of the season.

Speaker 7 Can we cement that? Thank you. Yes.
Can we lock that in, please?

Speaker 7 So Ralph

Speaker 7 makes it through a reunion by looking like the best guy up there. So thanks a lot, ladies.
Ralph's a piece of crap. Okay.

Speaker 7 I thought Charles came off the best. I thought Charles came off better than Ralph did.

Speaker 7 Yeah, but I mean,

Speaker 7 they're making Ralph seem like a fucking hero after all of this. Charles, I just

Speaker 7 was perplexed. It was weird that the women were kind of like

Speaker 7 nice to Ralph. They were like, well, that fake you're all comfortable.
They offer saying Ralph.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 7 So, okay, bye, guys. Get out of here.

Speaker 7 So

Speaker 7 now we're backstage and um you know just like some wacky backstage stuff shamia passes charles and she's you know we write and he goes now i do like not amused and then we go back to the reunion and we're back and yeah i want to end by talking about your time i am

Speaker 7 and drew is like well you know For me, most definitely, like the thing that made me happy, being in a better place with Portia, because I think today we hurt each other, but like, and we found our way back to some apologies and some healing.

Speaker 7 So I appreciate the accountability and the grace that we're extending to one another. And if I ever were to write a manifesto, it would be about my love for Portia.
Thank you very much, America.

Speaker 7 And Kelly's like, well, you know, we, this group of girls, I mean, we're just going through a journey.

Speaker 7 And I really hope and pray for Shamia and P because, you know, I had a friendship like this with Britt.

Speaker 7 And you were friends with Britt for five minutes. Can we not? Yeah.
She's like, I had the other main relationship in this show that went sour this season.

Speaker 7 And as someone on the other side of it, I hope you two can make it because I'm still crushed by my best friend of all time, Britt, who I knew for three days. Do as I say before filming.

Speaker 7 Don't do as I do.

Speaker 7 Let me be an example to everyone here about divorce and friendship. I died for your sins, everyone.
Yeah, Phaedra had the best two weeks ever. She had the best trip she's ever had.

Speaker 7 So they all cheer for that. And then Angela's turn.
And Angela, you know, she really is grateful for her Fangelas.

Speaker 7 And she just was grateful she got to shoot with her mom because that's a cool thing to always have.

Speaker 7 And then Cynthia, Cynthia, give us some guidance, Cynthia. And she's like, well,

Speaker 7 I just didn't know what I was expecting to come back, but it has been great nodding a lot.

Speaker 7 And I want to say,

Speaker 7 shout out to all the Fanthias, or should I call them Cynthian's?

Speaker 7 Cynthian Army rise up. Thanks so much, everyone.

Speaker 7 So Shamia is like, well, I was so open with my feelings.

Speaker 7 And I hope that moving forward, you will all go to my Instagram to watch an apology video that has tinkly piano music on it.

Speaker 7 And he's like, okay, Portia, you've got 20 minutes for your final monologue.

Speaker 7 And she gets it.

Speaker 7 I've had rough seasons on this show before, but none this transformative. I mean, honestly, to be able to sit and watch yourself not be at your best.

Speaker 7 And I don't blame anyone but me, but mainly Shamia too. And honestly, I don't even blame myself.
I pretty much blame Shamia.

Speaker 7 But I have to say, as a woman sitting up here with other divorcees, and I think arguably having the worst divorce of the season, we can all agree. Sorry, Kelly.

Speaker 7 I just have to say, thank God that I'm sitting here with my right mind. And you know, to Shamia, I really hate the way the season went.

Speaker 7 I hate that you got so swallowed up by fame that you became awful. I continue to love you and your daycare-stealing mother.
I continue to cheer for you.

Speaker 7 Maybe not your mother's daycare, but I cheer for you. So I put a button on that by saying I love everybody that are on these couches except for Shamia.

Speaker 7 Yeah, she goes, oh, and also I brought a fan so we can teach Andy to fan dance. And so they do like a line dance with Andy and That's it.
And then Andy twerks, which yeah,

Speaker 7 I don't know that anybody needed that, but wow, what a season. Some real boots on the ground.

Speaker 7 Yeah, this, yeah, it's over.

Speaker 7 It's over.

Speaker 7 It's over, everybody. We did it.
I think looking back now, we realize this actually could have just been one super size reunion.

Speaker 7 One episode, one super size episode, and we could have been in and out.

Speaker 7 But it's done. And,

Speaker 7 you know, I'm looking forward to next season. I think that they put some good building blocks in there, and I think we're going to, I think, I think we're just, you know,

Speaker 7 it's a rebuilding season for

Speaker 7 Atlanta. It's like our favorite sports teams.
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Speaker 7 Looking forward to seeing what happens next time around.

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