#2934 RHOC S19E02 Part 2: Hot Pot, Meet Kettle

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Speaker 1 So then, speak of the speak of the devil, however, however, however.

Speaker 1 Here comes Gretchen throwing up to Jen's house. I bet you never thought you'd see me again, but here I am in all my glory.

Speaker 1 It's been 11 years since I've been sitting on this chair, and I would say I look like I've been frozen in time, right?

Speaker 1 No plastic surgery, not even these suckers.

Speaker 1 Gretchen, nobody believes that.

Speaker 1 Do you do you believe it well my first thought was she's definitely had plastic surgery but now i'm thinking that maybe she's not had plastic surgery she's just had injections and things like that oh maybe she looks great whatever you're doing but i don't know because they show that they show a montage of her face you know it's like

Speaker 1 new face

Speaker 1 new face and she does have the same exact face so i mean she really does you have to plastic surgery right god doesn't love anybody that i mean don't tell me that prayer works that well because i'll have to start going to church and it's still revelations month I think that she probably has had injections.

Speaker 1 She probably got her teeth fixed a little bit or whatever. You know, when you change your teeth, it does actually change your face a bit.
So I think that's... I watched the McVeigh dynasty.

Speaker 1 I'm so sorry.

Speaker 1 So.

Speaker 1 So Jen is like, she's like, yeah, I met Gretchen when I was still going through so much of Tamara. So I slid into Gretchen's DMs.
And all I had to say was Tamra, SOS, and I got to call her right away.

Speaker 1 So, I mean, obviously, by the way, everyone slides into everyone's DMs.

Speaker 1 That's the lesson lesson here and as i pointed out last week on an episode for all this talk about like i can't believe you're talking to the bloggers and the podcasters tamara is part of that ecosystem she is part of it and she's contributing to it let's not forget that yes and yeah didn't she just have like a thing where she was accused of running a reality blurb or something like that and then she had a big fit on um

Speaker 1 She had a big fit about it. I mean, I don't, she was threatening to sue people and then people were deleting stuff.
And she was getting in all sorts of blogger wars this past year.

Speaker 1 So Gretchen tells us, she's like, yeah, you know, whenever there's a new housewife on this show, they all call me.

Speaker 1 Talk about Tamara, because Tamara's a monster. She's evil.

Speaker 1 She really, I mean, this really is like George R.R. Martin of some, this is some, this is simple.
Like, I'm just imagining Gretchen as like the elder

Speaker 1 in like, she lives in a tree, a giant tree, and they have to come up to her, like, to bow down and like make an offering.

Speaker 1 And they're like please please wise gretchen goddess please tell us how do we how do we go up against time

Speaker 1 it takes a special hero a generational hero that can do it may the blessings of newport beach be with you they're escorted out of the tree oh

Speaker 1 So they catch up on kids and Gretchen is like, oh yeah, Skyline has chickens at school. She like loves chickens, you guys.
They call her the chicken whisperer.

Speaker 1 And her daughter is five and a half and rides dirt bikes and they're going to build a coop.

Speaker 1 So yeah, don't like Glena onto the show because that could be bad news. So Gretchen is like, Slade and I never got married, but like we are like more in love than we were like 18 years ago.

Speaker 1 What was it? Like we're like Curtin Goldie Han, right? The irony of these women saying claiming that they have a fake, we have a fake relationship when all those women have gotten divorced since then.

Speaker 1 so then we see flashbacks of skept gretchen and slave skeptics like uh vicky and then we see the vicky and don lasted from 94 to 2014 tamara she and simon lasted from 98 to 2011 and alexis 2003 to 2018 with jim it's a fair point it's a funny point but i also want to point out Vicki and Brooke, Vicki and Don lasted 20 years.

Speaker 1 Tamara and Simon lasted 13 years. Alexis lasted 15 years.
I hate to break it to you, babe.

Speaker 1 You're at the 12-year mark. You're right in the danger zone.

Speaker 1 True. That's true.
Like, yes, you have lasted. And I have to say, that does take away some skepticism, but also, like,

Speaker 1 I don't know, you are, you have, you're not out of the clear just yet. Yeah, I agree with you.

Speaker 1 And also, this didn't really exonerate Gretchen because she's like, yeah, you know, like Vicki even said stuff.

Speaker 1 And then they show Vicky and Vicky's like, well, you know, I'm just saying that, you know, your whole engagement, having a helicopter and a song. I I mean, you, you just obviously did that for TV.

Speaker 1 And it's like, Vicki divorced from Dom. Yeah, but Vicki was correct.
They never got married. That was a fake engagement for TV.
So I don't know what you think you're proving with this, but not much.

Speaker 1 Still, fun to have you back. Yeah.
So Jen, um, Jen saying, yeah, well, I mean, the other day they were just like coming for Katie. They're saying, like, you're unsafe.
You're coming for families.

Speaker 1 You're dangerous, which makes zero sense.

Speaker 1 And Jen saying, that's just so frustrating. Like, Katie.
Coming for your family. What are they?

Speaker 1 Shots?

Speaker 1 What are they? Vaccines?

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 What are they?

Speaker 1 Masks?

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 you know, it's just like, it's just so frustrating. It's just so frustrating that Katie is held to this different standard than all the other girls.

Speaker 1 You know, I mean, it comes back to the fact that these girls are afraid of Katie. They're afraid of her.
They are so scared of her.

Speaker 1 And I i just want to tell those girls thank you for having me to lunch thank you so much it's just so nice it's so nice to be

Speaker 1 delicious food slave's like the question's like i don't really want to have a relationship with this woman and they goes i mean you're talking about captain evil like okay

Speaker 1 still still in comedy i see all right let's just have just have another coup d'eté and just keep mind your own business so we now go back to heather and tamara's like well you know the real problem here is jen because jen's reaching out to people that don't like me because she's insecure.

Speaker 1 You know, when I met Jen, she wanted my boobs. Now she's got my boobs.
And then she got a house, two doors down for me. Then she wanted my nostrils.
And boom, she's got two nostrils on her.

Speaker 1 And then she lived by Simon. And then she started going to Dr.
Ombe.

Speaker 1 And then we went to the same hair salon. And she said, I want to look like a crazy, crazy lady with bleached, burnt hair.
And now she looks like a crazy blonde lady with bleached burnt hair.

Speaker 1 Stalker, she's stalking me. Everybody wants to be me.

Speaker 1 I went to Bond's Bond's the other day and I was like, hey, where'd the Lean cuisine go? They said Jen just bought the last one. She's stealing my Lean cuisine.

Speaker 1 She said that she literally went to the hair salon and had her old hair extensions put in her head. Tamara, no one is going to ask to get you sandpaper put back on their head.

Speaker 1 I saw those. Don't pretend that those didn't just expire the second they were taken off your head.
Those were things were taken off your head and they turned to dust and fell to the ground.

Speaker 1 Tamara thinks she's making a case for a single white female when all she's doing is making a case for how generic her life is that someone could copy it so easily. Well, especially in Orange County.

Speaker 1 I mean, we've both spent quite a bit of time in Orange County over our lives. You all look like that.
You literally all look like that. You can't say that someone comes and gets boobs and,

Speaker 1 you know, Botox and bleaches their hair more. And they're trying to be you.
They're trying to fit in in Orange County, for Christ's sake. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Tamara thinking that she somehow is like a like a beacon of individuality down there like look at me she wanted i have blonde hair now someone else has blonde hair in orange county it's like wow congratulations you all go to the same stage

Speaker 1 she's even doing workout videos with her husband like literally every thin person does that every every blonde thin married person does that but okay

Speaker 1 Yeah, we've been watching these rituals since 2005 when Laguna Beach first arrived. Okay, there is you got none of you are doing anything original down there.

Speaker 1 Okay, they literally went back to the same BMW dealership that Kristen Cavallari got her car from in high school just last week.

Speaker 1 I mean, if anybody would argue that Jen was the first one to work out in a parking lot and then you lost your gym and now you're left working out in a parking lot.

Speaker 1 It seems like you might be stalking her. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
So then Tam's like, what's next? Let me guess. You and Ryan are going to start doing fitness videos together.

Speaker 1 She's saying this as if it's like no one has ever done that ever before on social media, especially not two fitness-minded people. Yeah, she's literally a fitness place owner.

Speaker 1 So yeah, she's going to do fitness. You can't like, I can't believe that two people you met at a gym are now going off and doing gym content.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So then she pulls out her phone. She's like, oh, yeah, well, look at her because this is her when I met her.
And I was expecting it to look like, I don't know.

Speaker 1 No, no. I was expecting it to look like

Speaker 1 Agatha from Agatha All Along. You You know what I mean? Like someone totally different or like Roseanne in that movie where she was, Meryl Street stole her husband.
She devil. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I was expecting it to be that, but it just looks like her. And Heather's like, she doesn't look that different.
She's, oh, come on. Her lips look like hot dogs now.
And Heather's like, oh, well, okay.

Speaker 1 Well, good point. But that's okay.
Everyone has hot dog lips. We live in Orange County.

Speaker 1 Tam was like, okay, well, guess look at this. Here's a full body one when she was a few pounds heavier.
And Heather's like, oh my God, don't show that to me.

Speaker 1 do not show a single soul that person ever again that photo is cursed she had a few extra pounds on her and no one should see that ever again burn it burn it in the fireplace i'm gonna pour champagne on it iconically don't tell eddie i'm gonna steal i'm gonna destroy it it is such a heather response though she's like oh my god well i mean what i meant was that's okay she looks different good for her Good for her.

Speaker 1 God, she's come a long way. Shouldn't we be celebrating this? What do I do in this situation? I'm disgusted.
Did I bring onion rings over here? Please don't tell Jen there are onion rings here.

Speaker 1 Burst out the door.

Speaker 1 I can't believe Jen was heavy at one point. And it's like, by the way, also like them being like, she's heavy.
And

Speaker 1 she's just, she had like 10 extra pounds on her. Like, wow.
Wow. Look at her back then.
Godzilla. Am I right? And also, Tamara's sitting here trying to diss this woman.

Speaker 1 And then she goes, and now look at her. And it shows Jen with a fucking Barbie body looking amazing in a bikini, like leaning up against a thing.

Speaker 1 I'm like, are you supposed to be dissing her right now? Because you're, you're, I kind of want to vote for her for mayor right now.

Speaker 1 Well, she's implying that like Jen wanted to get in shape because I was in shape. Like, she saw me and she realized she could be in shape someday.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 As if everyone in Orange County didn't also look like that too, or try to look like that. You're like a moving rainbow of implants and diets.
Okay, Tamara, you did it.

Speaker 1 You changed the future for many children. Heather is like, I don't know if Jen is trying to become Tamara.
I mean, I would think there's far more interesting people to emulate.

Speaker 1 And I thought she's like, oh, probably.

Speaker 1 In my mind, I was thinking, we're going to do a bit now about Heather would think that she'd be a good one to emulate. But then Heather literally goes, hello,

Speaker 1 I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Tamara.
But last time I checked, Jane Leeves was copying my hairstyle. I guess we're not going to talk about that.

Speaker 1 So then we go back to Jen's and and

Speaker 1 Gretchen's like, well, is there a way forward with Tamara? And Jen's like, well, you know, I've just seen too much. I don't know.
But you know what? Can I support a healthy relationship?

Speaker 1 Sure, I can support that. And Gretchen's like, well, I still get messages about what she's saying about me on a podcast.
It's not very nice.

Speaker 1 And so she tells us that two years ago, Slade's son passed away from brain cancer. And there are all these articles calling Slade a deadbeat dad because of Tamara.

Speaker 1 And now she's on her podcast calling him a bet deadbeat dad the second he died uh tamara's on we hear a clip from the podcast of tamara being like oh yeah but i heard that the wife still had to start a go fund me because slade wouldn't even pay for the funeral

Speaker 1 slate has never been a deadbeat dad and he just lost his son and if you can't have a soul in that moment then you don't have a soul sorry i'm like did you just meet tamara that soul

Speaker 1 That soul is gone. That soul is gone.
Yeah, that's long gone. That soul

Speaker 1 failed. That is someone walking barefoot because there are no souls happening there so Gretchen she's like

Speaker 1 Gretchen's saying that Heather said that you have had that you have to have grace on Tamara because she's going through a lot because of what Teddy's going through and I said both people in our lives have passed from cancer so my late fiancé and her son so she brings up Jeff from her season one which by the way Tamara definitely did not have grace on Gretchen season one of the show because that's where that famous reunion happened where it was like the where Tamara came and gangbusters on Gretchen we'd never seen anything like that on a radio yet.

Speaker 1 Yeah, why didn't they ever bring on the person who called Tamara late at night to tell her about Gretchen? I would like to know why. They really dropped the ball on that, those producers.

Speaker 1 Yeah, really.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I don't know.
So

Speaker 1 one way to find out, we're dredging up old stuff. So you never know what we're going to find out this season.

Speaker 1 So Tamara's telling Heather, so by the way, does Gretchen remember contact with my daughter?

Speaker 1 And so then we see that like, Sydney had posted something that said, like, the reason I don't live with my mother is because it's not because of my dad.

Speaker 1 It's because she is mentally and verbally abusive and not a mother to me. And Tamara is saying that, like, Gretchen started communicating with her.

Speaker 1 That is one of the lowest, most disgusting things you can do is involve somebody else's child.

Speaker 1 Oh, really? Really?

Speaker 1 Meanwhile, isn't it funny? Wait, if I remember correctly, was it last season Tamara telling Emily, by the way, Katie's daughter, she was saying this about your kids bye

Speaker 1 yeah or going to brianna to talk about brooks or whatever she i mean she's done this for years give me a break um and also we she's like so well we find out about what really happened later but i remember that post that sydney made that facebook post it was like a page long it was really long and she read tamara for filth on that post i will never forget it like to me that's like my mark twain

Speaker 1 like i have it i have it on a bookshelf

Speaker 1 it's like that's fine I have the monologues from these shows in books somewhere, but that was a classic. So she's trying to make it sound like, oh, and so Gretchen tried to befriend her or whatever.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 Gretchen did leave a comment.

Speaker 1 Gretchen

Speaker 1 commented, you have no idea how your brave words are helping so many who have been wronged by your mother's manipulation and lies as well.

Speaker 1 Now, I'm going to say this. I don't think Gretchen should have left that comment.
I think Gretchen should have just like, let that be. It's like, don't,

Speaker 1 get involved with a kid's messy Facebook post. Just keep on living your life.

Speaker 1 So, like, for sure, Gretchen was being messy in that moment, but maybe she thought it that also, like, well, I'm done with the show. Who cares? Let me be petty.
Good for Gretchen being petty.

Speaker 1 Tamara's the worst. Tamara's the worst who've ever been on any of these shows.
She is like the blueprint for the worst. So I support it.

Speaker 1 So Heather's like, well, when I joined this group, you guys were friends. And Wendy Malik had a career.

Speaker 1 But aside from that, what would be cool is if you guys can put some shit aside and just have some fun. And Tamara's like, Well, you'll see.

Speaker 1 But if you want, if you want to dwell on something for 12 years, yeah, I ain't doing it, bitch. I'm like, you literally just did it.

Speaker 1 And you, I mean, you were just harping on Jen copying your bangs for crying out loud. You're a dweller, okay? You're a dread killer.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and Heather's like, Yeah, we shouldn't dwell on things from the past, you know. I certainly don't want to remember the time when people were calling Wendy Malik, Wendy Bullick.

Speaker 1 I hope she and Nancy Travis are having fun somewhere doing the things that out-of-work actresses do.

Speaker 1 Uno anyone?

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I knew, but she's a known liar and manipulator.

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Speaker 1 Now it's time for the hot pot. So Emily's in Glam.
She's like, hey, Glam person, you want to come to the Hot Pocket? Huh?

Speaker 1 Hot pocket.

Speaker 1 Fucking moron. God.

Speaker 1 I would prefer a hot pocket. Oh, wait, I've got one in my purse.

Speaker 1 So then we see Gina talking to Travis. So I'm going to a hot pocket.
I feel mad. I think the reason why I've got problems is because she really hurt my best friend and I can't keep my mouth shut.

Speaker 1 Travis is like, oh, did you just learn this about yourself?

Speaker 1 So then Tamara's getting glam.

Speaker 1 They're basically like stuccoing her face, giving her a paint.

Speaker 1 They're caulking her. They're caulking her.
And Tamara's like, well, Gretchen's coming to everybody, but I'll match your energy. If she wants to be nice, I'll be nice.
She wants to apologize.

Speaker 1 I apologize. She wants to mess with some of these children.
I'll tell her child Lim from fucking Lim.

Speaker 1 So then we see Jen and Gretchen in their SUV heading to lunch. And Jen's like, well, there's always this like looming feeling of Tamara.
Like, do you think she'll, do you think you want to talk today?

Speaker 1 And Gretchen's like, well, there's actually a Bible verse about this. It's my favorite Bible verse.
It goes like this.

Speaker 1 The Lord will fight for you. You need only to be still.

Speaker 1 Girl, that's how people get run over.

Speaker 1 Shut up with that. Favorite Bible.
No one's being still on this show either, by the way. Let's be honest.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 No one's being still except for their faces. Yeah.
So then we go to a restaurant called Nice to Meet You for Hot Pot.

Speaker 1 And Emily is the first time.

Speaker 1 This is the last day that restaurant was called that. It changed its name promptly after a call to

Speaker 1 please stay away. Yeah.
Please don't jump back.

Speaker 1 Please don't return.

Speaker 1 So Emily gets there first. So she's stuck with Katie.
She's like, oh,

Speaker 1 this is awkward.

Speaker 1 I want to sit at the end. So I'm not going to be by you.
I am at the end, though. So you can sit opposite me and you'd still be at the end.
No, the other, I just want to be at the other end.

Speaker 1 I don't want to be by you.

Speaker 1 Gina walks in, and she's excited because this is a hot pot place. So they have

Speaker 1 like hot pots embedded into the tables. It's like, like, you know, you can have like hot bubbling water in the table.
And she's like, oh my God, I actually love this.

Speaker 1 You have a swimming pool in the table. Like, that's awesome.
Like a little private jacuzzi we can cook our food in.

Speaker 1 You know what? This really, really improved the purchase price of this table.

Speaker 1 Well, everyone, I'd like to announce that Sophie is home. She's lost five pounds and

Speaker 1 she is going to a bachelor party because her generation still believes in love.

Speaker 1 But they did break up. Her and her boyfriend did break up.
So that's too bad. And if you want to laugh, I'm not going to tell her.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So then they do some cheers with Saki and Jen and Gretchen arrive hand in hand, arm in arm. They're like, we're teamed up.
We're teamed up, me and you against the world.

Speaker 1 So Gretchen comes in. She's like, hi, Tamara.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. Hi, how are you? Maybe I should reintroduce myself.
Hi, Gretchen. I'm your worst fucking nightmare, bitch.

Speaker 1 This definitely feels like a Tamara tactic. Pretend everything is great and then like make everyone laugh.
And then right before she strikes. Which is true.
So

Speaker 1 Emily is saying how she met Gretchen at her 40th birthday back in 2016.

Speaker 1 And my friendship with Tamara did suffer when I was friendly with Gretchen because I didn't know that there was a beef between the two of them.

Speaker 1 Well, we worked through it, though, and I'm not going to make that mistake again.

Speaker 1 You're such an ass kisser, Emily. Everybody knew there was a beef between them.

Speaker 1 And you're such an ass kisser that you're still going to kiss Tamara's ass all these years later instead of thinking for yourself. You were such a follower.
How are these people still on the show?

Speaker 1 At least Gina's being entertaining. Yeah, so Emily basically ditched her friendship with Gretchen so that way she could get in with Tamara instead and is not going to go back, which is real kind.

Speaker 1 So then Tamara is like, oh my God, you want to hear a funny story? Heather did something totally relatable. Oh, yes.
Everyone gather around.

Speaker 1 Televisions, picture it. Television's Heather DeBrow walks into the servants' quarters somewhere in Orange County.
Is it Tustin? Is it San Clemente? Who knows? It's not the rich part.

Speaker 1 She walks in with an expensive bottle of champagne. And to show that she's relatable, she opens it up too fast,

Speaker 1 which is understandable because normally there are people that she employs to do this for her. And it gets all over an IKEA tabletop.
It is hilarious. End of scene.

Speaker 1 We all remember what happened with the espresso martinis. Am I right?

Speaker 1 Drake, did you see that scene? No?

Speaker 1 So they have to get sauces and stuff. So some people start getting up from the table.
It's like Jen and Katie, that group. And so there's like, do we all have to get up?

Speaker 1 Can I just stay with the people with money still? Okay, I'm going to stay here. Excuse me.
Where is the bell? So that way a poor person can bring me items from that bookcase over there. Thank you.

Speaker 1 I'm sorry. Is there an Alfredo who works here? Could you just send him over to my table? That would be great.
Did they receive the flatware that I sent over to the restaurant ahead of time?

Speaker 1 So Shannon is with, Shannon's, you know, looking at. the food and she goes, oh, Gina, there's a ball combination.
Oh, oh, did I make a ball joke? I just did, everybody.

Speaker 1 Huh, it's funny. It's funny, you know, being on

Speaker 1 being on Love Hotel. I, you know, I just, I'm a funny, funny person now.

Speaker 1 People sometimes call me Shanaya Papaya.

Speaker 1 You can use that if you want. So, Katie's like, she's like, well, everyone, I appreciate you all coming and I want to start fresh.

Speaker 1 I think a lot of things happened last year that I'm regretful for, and I just want to be better. You know what?

Speaker 1 I do appreciate the fact that you say you have a regret because now everything you do, I'm just questioning it like this thing between you and tamara and this blogger i mean it's not

Speaker 1 oh well wait wait wait wait wait i'm the good person again everybody i got a therapy now so um katie came to my house and she explained everything and she owned up to it and katie's like okay everybody i did call her instagram so i was kind of lying but technically i wasn't because i didn't call her through a phone number i called her through her instagram so it's very different

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. And you know what? I said to this person, I said, Tamara's, you know, she, this person was saying, Tamara's trying to sue me.
And I said, this is not good because Tamara is emotional.

Speaker 1 She's a monster. She'll take you down if she wants to.
My words, not hers. And, you know, you've got to take down that post.
You have to do this.

Speaker 1 I was trying to save her, you know, and say, thank you for being goddess with me. Thank you, bitch.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but it's still upsetting to me because you don't even remember an entire conversation with this person that created a huge problem here like how did that even happen

Speaker 1 and uh and she goes and also for you shannon honestly sheen sorry i'm really upset with you too because like at the golden drawer you were totally making it like we're ganging up on kitty and you know i was just trying to get to the bottom all of these so

Speaker 1 it's it's it's not about the subject matter it's about

Speaker 1 every single person at the table going after one person okay one person you

Speaker 1 can't do that yeah but you're making it like we're bullying her and we're not bullying her she's done things to all of us including you including me like she ruined my life does anybody remember she like ruined it it was hard it was really bad i felt really bad

Speaker 1 you know what tamara just told me last year that she recorded you at a gallery shoot and then sent the video to alexis yeah

Speaker 1 so

Speaker 1 here goes gina first of all gina distorted the story Tamara said that she recorded it and then she showed Alexis. I'm assuming it meant like right there.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 I don't know what it was, but she says she showed Alexis. But now she's saying that she sent it to Alexis.

Speaker 1 And also, you don't know the details and you're spreading gossip that wasn't yours to spread in the first place. And you're being messy and you don't have all your facts right.

Speaker 1 And Chan's like, wait, what, wait, what? What? And Katie's like, there is no video that I recorded of Shannon outside of Instagram. So Tamara's like, you actually told me.

Speaker 1 And Gina's like, yeah, this is coming from Tamron. We all trust Tamara.
I mean, Tamra's always honest.

Speaker 1 You know, me and Alexis and Katie were coming back from a Mother's Day lunch, and we happened to talk about Shannon being nasty to people. And Katie brought it up, and she told me the whole story.

Speaker 1 Alexis had already heard it, and it was left there. Never thought about it again until recently.
And then she smirks.

Speaker 1 You're so

Speaker 1 crafty.

Speaker 1 It's so funny, and it works so well. I mean, why isn't Shannon like, okay, well, that was an embarrassing moment for me when I lost my shit.
Instead, it's just Shannon falls right for it.

Speaker 1 You know, she's like, okay, I hate Katie now. So Tamara's like, well, evidently you were on the phone with somebody, Katie.
And she goes, Yeah, I was on the phone with my business partners.

Speaker 1 And Shannon, you came in and you were screaming. And I recorded on a voice note and I sent it to Matt, my husband.
And she goes, Oh, Katie,

Speaker 1 why would you speak to Alexis when I'm in active litigation with her fiancé?

Speaker 1 Are you kidding me?

Speaker 1 Why am I drowning breathing into this paperback? That's a hot pot.

Speaker 1 It's very hot. It's very, very hot.

Speaker 1 Are you fucking kidding me? Katie was sitting right next to me in Sonoma, seeing how distraught I was. Now she's recording me.

Speaker 1 And then we see footage of her in that bathrobe at that spa place being like,

Speaker 1 John Jansen, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, so Katie's like, she's like, no one has listened to what, to that except my husband. and no one's like but why would Alexis know about it?

Speaker 1 And Katie's like well we discussed it with Alexis I mean Emily were you not listening to the story that Tamara just said that three of them were talking about it together after coming back from some dinner or whatever like that's I don't know honestly I don't even think it's a big deal that Alexis already knew about it like I mean it's shitty if Katie centered the video but also don't act crazy don't act crazy in a group setting and then be surprised when someone has taken a video of you well but it's also another thing they're all mad at that never came to fruition.

Speaker 1 You know, it's like last year. Oh, well, Shannon dug up all this dirt about Gina throwing her husband down the stairs or whatever.
That was a big thing last year.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but Shannon never used that information. So, why are you guys using it against her? Like, if she had gotten that information and used it against you, that would be one thing.

Speaker 1 So, like, if Katie took this information, she gave it to Alexis, Alexis showed up to court with these videos of you acting erratic. Okay, you can be mad, but this wasn't even used.

Speaker 1 So, if she did videotape it and she had bad intent, she decided not to go through with her bad intent. So doesn't that make her a good person?

Speaker 1 I don't know. I don't know.
I think it's just, I think it's ridiculous. I think Tamara has played everyone like a fiddle here and they don't seem to realize it.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So Tamara's like, but now Katie's dragging, now Katie's dragging Jen into it. So Katie goes, Well, we discussed it with Alexis and points at Jen.
And Jen goes, wait, we?

Speaker 1 She goes, yeah, you know, remember when we sat at that drink things? And Jen's like, um, no, I mean, I've, I've never, I, I don't know. I've never heard any of this.
And Gina's like, yes, you did.

Speaker 1 You did know about it. She goes, no, I didn't.
And Heather's like, she just said you were there, Jen. She just said you were there.
Are you this? Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 Thank you so much for highlighting that for me. I just don't know why Katie's doing this.
It's just not fair. And I really wish my friend would start answering for herself.
So I'll answer for her.

Speaker 1 So Katie's like, look, we were talking to an investor and I was upset that I had to jump off the call. And I was telling Matt, this is what's going on right now.

Speaker 1 No, you weren't calling Matt to say what's going on.

Speaker 1 You were saying you could could listen verbatim it's like yep yeah but you were also acting like an asshole when she's on a business call at work so yeah and that's being late

Speaker 1 yeah and you know what and so katie tells us at the time i was pissed it was supposed to be a fun day for all of us and instead we had to hear shannon yelling i'm like i kind of wish katie just actually said that like me too it was supposed to be a fun day and you ruined it and i recorded it to show matt to show you melting down and we were laughing

Speaker 1 so weak in these situations and kowtowing to everybody and saying yeah i recorded it because you were acting so fucking ridiculous.

Speaker 1 I had to show my husband how ridiculous you get because he never believed me. And you were acting like a psycho and I showed it to him.
I'm sorry, but I'm acting like a psycho.

Speaker 1 I never gave this to Alexis. This was never used against you in court.
What are you being so dramatic about? If anything, you should apologize to all of us for ruining our day again.

Speaker 1 I actually feel like this is a moment where she could have learned something from someone who's similarly new, like Bronwyn, because I think Bronwyn would have actually said all those things.

Speaker 1 She would have been like, actually, I was listening and I was making fun of you

Speaker 1 because you were acting like an idiot. And my husband and I have a relationship where we make fun of people who act like idiots.
Anything else?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, um, Katie, but instead to Shanna, she just apologizes, right? And then Gretchen's like, wait a minute, how did you know, Emily? And Emily's like, Tamara told me.

Speaker 1 So Gretchen's just like, oh my God, of course, Tamara's always the one holding the information. Like, of course it's Tamara again.
So she goes, okay, so Tamara, you talked with Alexis.

Speaker 1 Then why did that even get brought up? And she's like, because obviously Alexis and Shannon don't get along. And she said, I heard she was freaking out at the green screen.

Speaker 1 And Shannon's like, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I need to step away. I need to step.
There are sauces over there. There are sauces.

Speaker 1 I need to process. I just learned that some of these celery pieces are not organic.
So I'm going to go now.

Speaker 1 So then, well, she steps away and Shannon's talking to heather and she's like i am floored i am we have to cook for ourselves did you know this i am also upset this is what servants are for do you understand what it feels like to video you when you when i don't remember what i said do you know what it's like well it's here's what i'll say what is unconscionable that someone would video me and it wouldn't go into my imdb i mean what's even the point oh my god shannon you were unconscionable no it's not what you think it means just be quiet gina so gina's like katie we're not trying to hurt you.

Speaker 1 So there's no need to try and hurt us in that way.

Speaker 1 You know what? I did some fucked up shit and I regret doing that. You know what I miss the most? Talking and laughing and hanging with Gina.
Gina's like, oh my God, thank you for saying that.

Speaker 1 You know, because like, you know what, Katie? That's what I hold on to because I genuinely liked you, which is why I threw you under the bus last year.

Speaker 1 And again today.

Speaker 1 So she's like, yeah, okay. Thank you for the apology.
I like you again. We're friends.
And Shannon's like, I have, I've reached my limit.

Speaker 1 And I think the best thing for me to do is to remove myself and scream at some producers in the parking lots. Excuse me.
I will be processing. Do not videotape this.

Speaker 1 And furthermore, restaurant, it was not nice to meet you.

Speaker 1 I gave Katie a gift, giving her advice to get to a different place with the women in this group. And this is what she does to me.
It is pure evil betrayal.

Speaker 1 I'm like, literally, the amount of times that Tamara has been so evil to you, Shannon, and like over 10 years, and you just took her back over and over and over again.

Speaker 1 And now, here's something that you're finding out through your nemesis, Tamara, who you know is actively trying to hurt you.

Speaker 1 And you take it on face value, and then you're going to be like, oh, Katie's the evil one here. I don't know what you're not following.

Speaker 1 You can't use this like, oh, you just helped Katie this episode and stood up for her, but this happened a long time ago.

Speaker 1 So you can't use the thing you did recently to negate the thing that happened a long time ago. You know what I mean? She didn't take what you just did for her and betray you.
That happened a lot.

Speaker 1 There are two different timelines, Shannon. So Jen's like, um, I thought we were moving forward, but you guys have her ass over the fire.
And Emily's like, Jenny, no,

Speaker 1 she's done things to us that nobody at this table has done to each other.

Speaker 1 Like, gave my information about my kids to a blogger, unlike me, who just went and dug up court documents and anything else I could use to publicly humiliate a woman in an abusive relationship for how she lost her children.

Speaker 1 I can't believe you gave information to a podcaster who has a platform that's nicely sized versus me who dug up stuff on a national level where everyone was watching with millions of viewers. Yes.

Speaker 1 So then Heather,

Speaker 1 Katie's like, I did not give them information. And Heather starts doing this thing with her finger.

Speaker 1 She starts like circling her finger like she's going to conjure up like a little tornado in front of her. And she goes, Everyone has done things that other people agree are not okay.

Speaker 1 For instance, Gene Triplehorn don't like her choices.

Speaker 1 And Tamara's like, oh, move on, Gretchen. I don't even talk about you.
She goes, uh-huh, a few years ago, you were talking about me. And she goes, oh, God, what did I even say?

Speaker 1 She goes, you said Slade was a piece of shit and he was a deadbeat dad. And Tamara's like, well, was he?

Speaker 1 Because I mean, listen, Gretchen, you can stand up for Slade all you want to and you can get all self-righteous about Slade, but I don't remember any of that news back then about Slade and his kid being good.

Speaker 1 Okay. Now, was it right for Tamara to go

Speaker 1 get on Slade the second after his son died? No, that was gross. But the stuff leading up to it, I don't know.
I mean, I think that was kind of like backed up by the wife, right?

Speaker 1 I mean, it's not like that was coming out of, I mean, I'm just saying, get off your soapbox, Gretchen. Like, get off.
Slade is kind of a douchebag. So come on.
Slade is a douchebag.

Speaker 1 He always has been. So Gretchen's like, what's the one? What's one of the first things that comes up on Google when you, when you serve Slade Smiley? Yeah, it's that.

Speaker 1 And i of course then went to google and that was actually did not even show up on any of the results that uh that was not a suggestion at all um i i don't remember what did show up i'm just assuming douchebag um lame why is he back with us but tamara's like well why is she still concerned with slades that whether slade's a dead beat dad or not it's been 15 years

Speaker 1 we're trying to convince cretchen Slade Smiley Net Worth, Slade Smiley Kids, Son and Joe, Net Worth 2025, Son Grayson, Wikipedia, Age, and Slade Smiley, bless you, Ben. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 Thank you. Thank you.
I also like

Speaker 1 Tamra saying, like, why is she concerned whether or not Slade's a deadbeat dad? After she's just like, well, is he a deadbeat dad?

Speaker 1 And then when Gretchen's, like, wants to defend Slade, she's like, wow, why are you so concerned?

Speaker 1 It's because you always bring it up, Tamara. That's why.

Speaker 1 But I like that Gretchen hasn't even been on this show for years and has been rehabbing her image or doing whatever she's doing.

Speaker 1 And the first thing she does is come back on the show and remind us that Slade's a deadbeat dad 20 times in a row. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Gretchen's like, you're the one who's been proven to be a liar. You were sued for being a liar and you almost got sued again by Ryan.
She's like, okay, well, you know, I did, I misspoke.

Speaker 1 And I apologize for that, badge. John's like, well, thank you so much for that.
But a lot of this pain that all of us have felt was hard. You're going to roll your eyes.

Speaker 1 You're going to roll your eyes at that tamer. Thank you so much for rolling your eyes.
It shows that you were listening to me.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because by the the way, her apology was, I misspoke, but then she's like, okay, everybody, when I said that Ryan had a lawsuit, I just meant that Ryan maybe's business wasn't.

Speaker 1 Am I doing this right, everybody, so I don't get sued? Yeah, we all saw that, Tamara. Tamara's so ridiculous.
So Tamara's like, oh, yeah, you think Gretchen's crystal clean?

Speaker 1 She contacted my fucking daughter.

Speaker 1 I want the race. I gotta do it.

Speaker 1 Gretchen leans forward with like a half smile on her face and she's so calm. and she goes, I did not contact your daughter, Tamara.
I commented. It's the same thing.
No, it's not.

Speaker 1 It's not the same thing. And there was something about her like not falling for the bait, not getting activated, not just being like, I know what you're trying to do and you're not going to do it.

Speaker 1 And Tamara starts to lose her mind. She's like, okay, Eva.
You're Evil. She's like, you really want to play this game? Because it's not the same thing.

Speaker 1 I made a comment on the public Facebook post that your daughter made, my ex-husband made that post. No, this is what you always do.
You blame it on someone else.

Speaker 1 Your daughter even came out after you said that and said, My mother's lying. This is my account.
I made the post. I mean, Gretchen was like ready.
I was just taking her down.

Speaker 1 She was so ready. They even put the whole quote up there that the daughter said.
And Tamara goes, That's not true. Which, sorry, but the editors hate you.
And yes, it is true.

Speaker 1 And Gretchen's like, Yeah, well, that's what she did. And I have all the proof.
So you can spend your little lies and do your manipulation

Speaker 1 like you always do because you're a you're liar beyond liars so i like that gretchen came back with proof but gretchen did not come back with a better command of language which also makes it fun it was it was good enough for me because i felt like gretchen just had tamara just like she just had her there she just had the tractor beam on her and was just destroying her in this moment and jen's like yeah you feel like you want to take accountability for any of this do you want to take any of this you want any accountability for this, Tamara?

Speaker 1 Thank you so much for listening to my requests. Tamara's like, yeah, I will.
I will take accountability for whatever I've done. Yeah, so Tamara's like, I thought we were going to move forward.

Speaker 1 And Gretchen's like, oh, why would you think that? And she's like, okay, then we're not moving forward. And she's like, well, I didn't say we couldn't move forward.

Speaker 1 I just said, why would you think that we could move forward? And Tamara's like, okay, then I don't have to be mad to you then. Since I'm in, bitch.

Speaker 1 This bitch has been going after me for years. 12 years you've been going after me.
Well, who started it? You.

Speaker 1 You you've been coming after her for all these years she hasn't been coming after you she doesn't have a platform to come after you you're the one still on your platform talking about her all these years it's just so funny because tamara is really really masterful at twisting and turning and like this whole like you were you were communicating with my daughter.

Speaker 1 The way she made it sound was like, oh, she called my daughter up, became friends with her, tried to, no, she commented on a post, but that's so Tamara.

Speaker 1 And so that she had all of her evidence and she's just shooting Tamara down. It's very good.
I mean, it's good that we're finally seeing a worthy adversary.

Speaker 1 And I can't believe it's Gretchen of all people. Yeah, because Gretchen's been practicing.
She's been waiting. Gretchen's like, it's the same old Tamara.
Same old pony and dance.

Speaker 1 What's it called again? They're like dog and pony show. Yeah, same dog and pony show.
There you go. I knew there was a bitch involved.
Ha. So Heather's like, you need to talk.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it seems like there's like a lot of hurt on both sides. And like maybe there's a way to move forward.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm the great equalizer hey wait everybody not all is lost i've got a hard-boiled egg in my purse

Speaker 1 wait it's not hard-boiled it's leaking oh my gosh

Speaker 1 yeah the episode ends with uh gretchen and tamara agreeing that they're gonna meet and they're gonna try to both take accountability and move forward and emily has has cracked an egg in her purse because she thought it was a hard-boiled egg that she was gonna take for later which she thought she's being funny plucking the hot pot pot egg she thought was a hard-boiled egg and putting it in her purse like

Speaker 1 the

Speaker 1 that she is

Speaker 1 food in her purse. That's what makes her relatable to the people.
So she's good.

Speaker 1 She hit gold with that burrito in her or that subway sandwich in her purse in the steam room. And she's just going to do it now every five minutes.
I was so happy for that egg.

Speaker 1 It's her Mother Dubrow onion ring.

Speaker 1 It is. So that was that.
That was the big Gretchen return and the big Ronnie return

Speaker 1 and the big end of the week. So thanks, everyone, for being here.
Yeah, great being back with you. Great being back with all of you guys.
We will talk to you next week. Bye.
Bye.

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