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Well, hello and welcome to Crappy Hour, August 25th,

1975, the day of my birth.

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I was going to call you Rhonda, but you've got a wiener.

So I'm adding an elder the end.

Welcome to the world.

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I'm Ronnie, and that's Ben.

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Thanks so much for being here.

Wow, this is 50.

What a crazy time.

It was just like yesterday, except I'm older.

God

bless it.

But I'm just going to

keep getting little pieces of skin chopped off for the rest of my life once a month.

So we'll see.

We'll see where that goes.

Oh, and last night I watched The Substance to celebrate.

Oh, you did.

How was that?

Yeah.

Well, it really gives a new meaning to like, there's a thin person in me just dying to get out, you know?

My God, that movie was disgusting.

Oh, my God, but hilarious too, right?

Yeah, it was really good.

It was pretty good.

But I was very, I was like, if you look like Demi Moore and you're really that upset, we're all screwed.

Like, Demi Moore even looked amazing in that movie.

I was like, it's not like they made her ugly or fat or anything.

She's just like, I'm Demi Moore, but I want to be younger and prettier.

And I was like, girl, then the rest of us are just like, let's just, the rest of us, let's just all commit mass suicide because what the hell?

Yes, but like

when late in the movie, Demi Moore looks a certain sort of way and she puts on her little earrings.

That was, to me, my favorite thing I saw in the past year.

Her putting those little, like, it was like little eyelashes or something on when she's in a state of disarray.

Yes.

And one of her transformative moments.

Honestly, like, when I saw that, I was like, Ronnie has to see this movie.

It was really just about that scene.

I just wanted you to see that scene of her getting ready and glamming up.

That was like, I just died.

I was like, this movie is so crazy.

I can't believe they're doing this.

I think it's the perfect thing to watch on your last night of your 40s.

Yeah, because you know me, I want to get everything done.

And I mean, ever since Miami, this season started airing, I've wanted to get my knees done.

I've never even thought about knees being wrinkly.

I feel like Bravo just gives me these things that I want to go under the knife for, you know?

Yeah.

That's, it is funny that Bravo is creating some sort of knee anxiety, anxiety, knee.

Well, I mean, now that you're 50, you now have to list 50 things that you've learned for the rest of the episode, and we're all waiting.

Oh, God, let's just start with 50 pieces of gossip from Bravo.

Because we all know I learned nothing we know i learned nothing that's that's the joy of being 50 you can finally admit i learned nothing and i'm never gonna learn nothing and i'm fine with it

i learned nothing nothing nothing

if i don't have you

uh one thing people are asking us quite a bit about is real housewives of london we are not watching it and the reason we're not watching it even though we are both completely in love with housewives obviously is that what if they put it on Bravo?

Like, what if they license it and start airing it on Bravo or something?

Then we'll have to do it all over again.

Although, I suppose we could recap it for Patreon and then put it on the main feed if they ever release it.

I mean, I don't know.

What do you want to do?

I don't know.

I don't know.

I've got to think about it.

I don't think the demand has actually been super high.

And I feel my concern is that a lot of people will not be able to access it.

So I say, let's just let that one ride a little bit.

And if we need to call upon it, we will call upon it.

But I think that we, you know, I'm sure that the Bravo schedule is about to ramp up.

This happens.

A lot of people have been talking about that we're in sort of like a

dead zone with Bravo right now, but this actually happens every year.

It just feels more dead than usual because they put Miami on the same night as Orange County.

So we have like a full like one or two nights where there's just nothing on.

But we'll all get through it together.

That is weird, though.

It is super, super weird.

One thing we will be recapping is the Love Island Reunion on Patreon.

That comes out tonight.

So I'm psyched about that.

But yeah, I think another reason it's weird is because a couple of the things on we're just not watching.

Like we're not watching the King's Court because honestly, I just, I think that was my fault.

But I was like, I've had enough dating shows.

You know, I don't come to Bravo for dating shows.

And Love Island wasn't on Bravo.

It is now, though, if you guys want to watch it.

They're showing it all now.

But

Love Island, I,

that was a lot.

And then Love Hotel.

And then this other one came out.

And I was like, I'm sick of fucking fake dates.

Okay.

I have enough fake dates on my own.

Yeah, I've only watched, I think, one or two episodes of King's Court.

And like, obviously, as Karen Huger says, like, the eye candy is, or I guess that would be arm candy, but like, obviously, these are like three of the hottest guys we've ever seen on dating shows.

I mean, it's Tyson Beckford, the most famous male supermodel of all time.

I mean, it's really, if you wound up on this show as a contestant, you really hit the jackpot, I think.

But that being said, it's like

because he's like douche.

And I'm sorry.

I watched the first episode of it to decide that I hated it.

And

he started crying about how traumatic his, like, love is so traumatic.

And it's not any less traumatic for him just because he's a model.

And I was like, fuck off.

Like, I'm not going to sit here and listen to the prettiest man in the world cry because you think it doesn't make it easier, but it does, sir.

It fucking does.

And I don't want to, I'm not going to sit here and listen to you cry about it, sir.

The hard part I had was Holly Robinson and her husband, Rodney, like hosting.

I don't know if they also do Queen's Court, but they're like this weird piano lounge act on the side of the show who they're like sitting at the end of the table, like, hello,

looks like you guys had some dates.

Why don't you tell us about it?

I feel like they're gonna break into song any moment.

I'm like,

they're acting so strange on this dating show.

Um, but yeah, no, it just wasn't, it just wasn't a very good show.

I was sort of in it in the beginning, but then when they went on their separate dates and went skydiving and painting, I was like, this just kind of feels like scripted crap.

And I know that, I know, everything's scripted, but if I, if I can really see it and sense it, you know, it's just not going to really be for me, fortunately.

Yeah, so I think that's why we feel more barren in the landscape because we've got that that we're not really watching and then McBee, which we're watching, but it doesn't feel like a very Bravo-y type show, you know.

So, but we do have two housewives on at one time, and we've got a pretty solid below-deck season.

I know some people hate it because it's like new and datey and all of that, but I mean, I like it.

I even like the Instagram walls as we've argued about.

So I'm fine.

I think Bravo is giving us the best and the worst these days.

I think that Orange County and Miami are like excellent and they're doing great, great, great work.

And I think that Below Deck is, I'm not really enjoying this season, I'm not going to lie.

And, you know, my feelings on McBee are, you know, that I'm happy for you, Ronnie.

So the point is, it's, you know, it is a little bit like up and down, but I'm excited.

Salt Lake City is around the corner.

And I'm sure there's going to be like a million other shows that they're about to drop i'm sure um mediterranean's got to be coming out soon they just they they there there can't be much time left on below deck

and

uh

yeah there's got to be shows there's got to be shows rounder street boots coming up i think in the fall yeah we've got plenty coming so it's all good and you know we we should always be grateful for what we have we've got a good season of miami a really good season of oc so you know what thank you lord that's what i'm saying thank you lord okay thank you

for everything that you've given us.

Okay.

So now let's move into some gossy goss from the Bravo.

I think the biggest piece of news this week that still has me reeling, and it's actually really upsetting to me.

I just mentioned Jesus, which leads me to blasphemy, of course.

And did you know that Sonia Ritz's house on the Real Housewives of New York, she sold her house, they got it for a steal, and it's been turned into a sober living facility?

What?

Yes.

The fuck.

That is like opening a gay porn studio inside of an old renovated church.

How dare you?

How dare you?

Listen, we saw poltergeists.

Like, this is so.

I just want to say, by the way,

I was on Rachel Lindsay's podcast.

It's coming out tomorrow.

And we discussed this.

We discussed this situation here.

And I'm going to say to you what I said to her, which is that we saw poltergeist and we saw what happened when you build a house on a burial ground.

It's not good.

And that's what happens here.

This is a

sobriety burial ground.

I just don't think that there's any way you can stay sober in that household.

There's no way.

There's too many memories.

It's like built into the walls.

You have to torch it down.

You cannot make that a sober living.

Not only can you not be sober in there, you shouldn't be sober in there.

That is a space that is a testament to one lady's drunken descent into madness.

And I don't think that anyone should have to be forced to be sober in there.

That's such a good way of putting it, like a burial ground.

You know, nothing good is going to come of that.

Yes.

It's not.

It's like, you know, that scene in Poltergeist, as long as we're talking about horror movies, you know, when it's like the skeletons like emerge out of the pool and it's like, what is this?

Like, you built it on a burial ground and you never told anyone?

It's like that, you know?

Yeah.

Nothing that's going to happen there.

That house was built to be a shit-faced, you know, good for nothing.

I mean, that's what that house is for.

That's how it should remain.

I don't believe in a reason.

And also, I feel kind of bad because sober living, listen, that's hard.

That's a rough road to hoe.

And they're out there trying to hoe it in a hoe's house, like in an old hoe's house.

You know, just first of all, Sonia, this might get Sonia sober just so she can move back into that penthouse.

She can be like a sober living.

Sonia will probably be the one to bring the booze back to that house.

She'll sneak her way back in.

She'll bring everybody Capri sun bags.

They'll all be filled with Titos.

But also, I feel bad for the people who move there because that house is not in good repair.

I mean, it's falling falling apart.

There's brown ice.

The hot water doesn't work.

The pipes are all broken.

There's mold on the walls.

So do sober people need that?

They're struggling.

Okay.

They're already struggling enough without putting them in a tent encampment.

Okay,

we don't need people who are trying to stay sober to be in a building where one day they will go down to the basement and find the bones of pickles.

Okay, that is going to send people to the bottle all over again.

They're like, you know what?

Somebody keeps coming up right behind me.

I don't see them, but I feel them and they're offering to order me a DoorDash.

Just don't.

It's pickles buried in the basement underneath all the mayonnaise that they kept in there and all that weird shit that she kept in her basement.

They're going to wake up in the middle of the night and there's going to be like the ghost of her facialist just like massaging their faces and just gossiping to them about stuff.

They're like, wait a second.

And then she just disappears.

I could have sworn there was a lady gossiping with me, being messy.

Australian Fly Girl says it's next to parking.

Decent location.

Yeah, Sonia's building gets a lot of crap because it's a townhouse next to a big parking garage.

And so people are like, oh, so la rent.

Everything's next to something.

I mean, I don't see that big of a deal with that.

Do you?

Say go for it.

I would personally love that.

I mean, that's great for throwing parties, parking for your guests, honestly.

Well, also, a parking garage is a great place to score Coke.

Or probably to have some sort of.

Like, no wonder why if you had so many gays there on the Wednesdays, like Wednesday nights at Sonia's, they just go bang in the parking lot afterwards.

I think that's great.

I mean, look, like you said, everything in New York is next to something.

You know, to have a townhouse in New York, like when you can normally only afford like a closet, that's, that's, that's living.

That's not living.

KDC says, hopefully the people don't get left outside in the rain and the cold.

Sonia makes them all wait in the lobby.

So many memories from that town home.

I'm sorry, Sonia.

I know that has to hurt because, you know, people have been asking Sonia to get sober for years and now to do this to her home that she puts so much non-work into is just, it's hurtful.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It is, it's the worst thing that they could have ever done to this piece of real estate.

Let's be honest.

Yeah, really.

So, and to the sober people, like they deserve better.

So here we go.

This is from the U.S.

Sun.

Work in in progress jax taylor loved bomb had sex with then discarded several female employees at his la bar before he was fired i am

shocked i i actually read about this not in the sun i read about it in i just can't believe it quarterly

really it was a headline new headline news and i can't believe it quarterly like who would and then i was also they also picked it up on who would have thought weekly

this this thing no jax has been sleeping with his employees which was he was already accused of it we didn't even need to wait for danny to accuse him of it or britney to mention it on the on the valley i think we all saw it coming we're all like well he's

pun not intended but like we knew the moment when he was interviewing people last season like he's sleeping with these people he's he's just he's gonna sleep with these these women and that's exactly what he did and apparently what he did was

he would um text them all and be really flirtatious.

And he would send them messages that was like,

I'm not supposed to be talking to the staff because it's like a violation.

Like, but you're like, I feel this connection or whatever.

Like, you're the only one I want.

Like, I feel like it's worth breaking the rules for.

He kept on

making them feel special, like they were the only one he was texting.

Like, he was breaking the rules, putting his job in jeopardy for this person.

And they would, he'd give out numbers.

That way they wouldn't talk on socials and he would be like really vulgar and whatever.

And so he would just sort sort of like, they just, and some of the women say like, didn't really know what to do because he's the boss.

And some of them were like, well, I resisted at first.

I was hesitant, but then he made me feel so like, you know, feel certain sort of things.

And so he, but apparently he was saying this to all of them.

So every time he was like, you're the one, you're the, like, you know, I'm, I, I, I'm, I'm willing to break the rules for you.

He was saying that to all of the women at the place, according to this article.

And he was, which is like so manipulative.

And of course, the big thing is that, of course, he did not use protection, but he would buy them all plan B or offer to buy them all plan B.

Oh, that's great.

I mean, you know, the articles would be good because the

byline, not the byline, that's who wrote, who wrote it, right?

The headline number two or whatever.

Like there's a headline that I read.

And then the second headline is, Multiple women claimed he would not wear protection, but always offered to buy Plan B.

I mean, that is a thoughtful guy.

It's a very thoughtful guy.

You know, really.

It truly is.

And apparently he'd be going well.

And then all of a sudden he would like turn on them and get like really like nasty and mean and get paranoid and be like, you're the problem.

You know, all the stuff that we would see him do on TV, he was basically doing sort of really much more.

aggressively and more disgustingly even to these women according to the source that the spoke who spoke to the son yeah he's he's disgusting so congrats danny because you you know what?

He, he tried the shit with Danny in the end of Vanderpump Rules, or not Vanderpump Rules, The Valley.

And so Danny added him for this.

And then the next week, Jax was fired from that restaurant.

They closed it.

So,

you know, the ultimate revenge.

But yeah, what a piece of crap.

But also, just like a general public announcement, don't work for Jax.

And also, don't fuck Jax.

Like, seriously, I can't believe in 2025.

It's like telling people not to eat those little bags of silica that come in things that have been delivered to your house.

You need to be told not to eat that.

You're going to die.

You're going to die if you eat the pack of silica.

Okay.

We shouldn't have to be telling people in 2025 not to fuck Jax Taylor.

There's like over a decade of evidence.

Like, come on, man.

I think the rule of thumb should be that if you are...

you know, if you're being manipulated by Jax, it can be very hard to see the logic.

You start to say, oh, well, actually, he's really nice.

He's very sweet.

We've all seen him do his charm attack.

And you feel these things and you think, well, maybe he's different.

Maybe he's changed.

Just know, no matter what you're thinking and how much you're starting to like him, don't sleep with Jax tail.

Don't sleep with Jax.

Don't even talk to him.

Don't do it.

Don't even talk to him.

You know, we were doing this a few weeks ago, and I was telling you, I saw a friend who's a sweater gay who lives in Valley Village.

And he said that he always sees Jax driving around on this golf cart and doing his cameos while he drives, you know, like holding his phone up and be like, hey, I'm in a golf cart.

And

we got a couple comments being like, that's ridiculous.

That's a lie.

I don't believe that because it's too busy of a street.

Like you can't just ride down Ventura on a golf cart.

Like that's dangerous.

It would never happen.

He'd be pulled over.

And then literally the next week, there were all these pictures of stupid Jax rolling down Ventura on his stupid golf cart

and no one doing shit to him.

Okay.

This is LA.

You can get away.

You'd be surprised what you can get away with here.

That little a-hole jacks.

Yeah.

The next stop for, I guarantee, I guarantee we're going to see him pop up again in the manosphere, and he's going to be actually more repulsive than ever.

And he's going to start doing annoying things.

He's going to start doing like lots of CrossFit, or there's this new thing.

What's it called?

Like Hydrox or Hybrox or something.

He's going to do that.

He'll be like in shape, but he'll be kind of like annoyingly right-wingy, and it'll just be just the worst.

Yeah, he'll make a turn, he'll take a turn.

But hopefully, he won't be

in the

you know, the zeitgeist for that long.

Just get rid of him.

I don't even want to hear about him, and I know I'm promoting it by talking about him, but I mean, come on, we had to talk about this one because

it's good, it's typical Jackson.

It's just something we all saw coming for a long time, so we were all right.

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Okay, what do you want to talk about, Ben?

Ben?

Pick one.

Um, Okay.

By the way, I'm sorry my labeling is so bad today on these stories.

I was doing it in bed and I copied.

I figured the links were descriptive enough because now links are so like page six, society, upper east siders mortified by sober neighbors who took over Sonia Morgan's townhouse.

They're not going for brevity in the links, you know?

Yeah, you know what?

You shouldn't even apologize because really I should apologize because it's your birthday and you shouldn't have even had to have done any of this.

You shouldn't have to work on your birthday except for this very moment.

So that's my

best friend.

You know, I love reading and I love sitting in bed copying and pasting.

I know you do.

You do.

Definitely one of the times I was like, I get to say this is my work.

There is no complaint at all.

Yeah.

I'm going to go right to the next thing that's on this list here because I thought this was funny.

This link that you put up.

And then I, and I had simultaneously seen this other link that goes right with it, right when I read this one.

So it's about Stephanie.

This is a this is just a stupid story, but um, this is uh, so Stephanie's stylist is clapping back at the haters because haters are gonna hate, okay?

So, the stylist, someone, um, someone somewhere on social media said something like, Nothing about Stephanie's personal style clicks in place for me.

If it's not the bangles, it's the bun.

If it's not the bun, it's the makeup.

If it's not the makeup, it's the color of this dress.

If it's not the colour of this dress, it's the dress itself, and then the bangles, and then the bun, and then the makeup, and then the color of the dress, and then this dress.

Her personality, by the way, whoever wrote this, please write a musical because you are the next Stephen Sondheim.

I'm telling you this right now.

The rhythmic nature of this beautiful comment is so perfect.

Her personality isn't much better either, although it's nice to see a woman unafraid to wield her private jet like a weapon.

It's her only good accessory.

So someone wrote that.

So the Stephanie's stylist has using set to the tune of Voi la Traduction.

Which, I don't know, is that like an Edith Pioff song or something?

He responds.

thank you so much, People Magazine, for your opinion.

Oh, I guess

People Magazine wrote this.

Yeah, it was a People Magazine article.

I was just waiting for you to get to that because I was cracking up that you thought this was just a shitty person on the internet.

Now the shitty people have taken over the internet.

Okay.

We're now running People Magazine.

People magazine just trolling Stephanie hardcore.

Oh, wow.

That makes this even funnier.

I thought it was just someone on Reddit just a real, just writing an amazing comment, but no, this is People magazine.

So, Rob Angel says, Thank you so much at People Magazine for your opinion on how horrible you think my work is.

Heart emojis around my face.

I love it.

A weak person would be devastated to see this.

However, a confident person like myself knows that whoever wrote this article has absolutely no taste because, sweetie, she looks stunning.

The cyberbullying on myself, at Cesar, and at Stephanie Shihaji is appalling.

And if you think after a few FSO,

if you think a few episodes of a TV show means that you know everything about a person and their personality, it just personifies your ignorance.

Have a blessed day and get a life.

You are never coming on the plane.

You are never coming on Stephanie's old man ball plane.

Okay.

You will not be driven by old dangly nuts air.

So have fun on the train, bitch.

Wow.

wow um

i'm i'm glad to see um

that this person is not a weak person who is not devastated by this i love to see a non-insecure person

i love how screaming that uh people are so insecure while you're ranting and raving on instagram going crazy i'm sorry rob angel you're trying to do a jackie oh thing on stephanie and we're just not buying it okay jackie o earned that status you don't get to just come take it and then what he's proving to

us, like his proof of his great styling, and I'm sorry, I'm stuttering, but I'm trying to bring up this window right now.

I just want to show you.

The picture easy.

Birthday stutter.

It's

this is his example.

I mean, I personally think this is okay.

You know, this is one of her better outfits, I think.

I agree.

It's just interesting that he chose to dress her like kind of a golden crappie.

It's like she's kind of poop emoji.

She's kind of giving poop emoji in this picture, if you really look at it long and hard.

So

I, um, what you know what's so funny is that, um, uh, also another shout out.

I was on Two Judgy Girls, then the episode is, uh, airs today,

and, um, Courtney clocked something that we both missed, which is that Stephanie on the latest episode of Miami was wearing like a red jumpsuit kind of thing.

And this was a week after Stephanie was the only one in the cast who did not wear red to dinner because she said she had no red and then all of a sudden she had red for the next party so i just want you to know mr angel we are also aware of your complicit activity in lying on the dress code okay because we know you had a red number for her and you lied you lied and and and you participated in the lie that that she did not have something red when everyone else was wearing red don't think we don't notice these things even though we didn't notice and had it had to be told by someone but now we notice and now we see it all

Yeah, she's the that's the girl who shows up to white to somebody else's wedding.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like Alex McCord

at a wedding in Quag.

So

yeah.

The other thing is that she, first of all, this guy is doing his, he's doing his duty.

You know, he is a loyal gay to his, to his boss.

And like the first rule of being a makeup and hair gay or stylist gay is that when people come for your boss you have to attack on their behalf so he's doing the the the right thing there but also what's so funny is that literally just as i stepped on for tonight's broadcast i happened to see on twitter uh from uh queens of bravo they put up this this tweet this some social media posts from stephanie and their their headline is stephanie went to a drag show in an attempt to show that she's fun and we see two back-to-back instagram Instagram stories.

The first one is Stephanie wearing this like a Kermit the Frog, like fragile rocky green thing.

And the caption is, wait, before I start, you didn't think I was boring, right?

Because I have rules, but I'm not that uptight.

So she's literally being like, guys, I'm not Jackie.

Yo, look at me.

I'm wild and crazy.

And we see her in this outfit looking so silly.

And she's like clearly dancing and clearly like, oh my God, I'm with like a drag queen right now.

This is actually like so cool.

I'm like, so I'm so relaxed.

I'm so fun.

The gays love me.

They absolutely love me.

And then the next shot is her being like, that was fun, right?

Just trying so hard to prove that she's fun.

Yeah.

I went to a drag show this weekend because I was in Palm Springs and we went to this like fundraiser for trans

people, basically.

I mean, it was like a longer title, but for basically a trans fundraiser, which was really good.

It was like a community fundraiser thing.

And so they had a bunch of really good queens there.

Well, they also had a lot of drag kings.

And I haven't seen a ton of drag kings.

You know, they're just not as popular in that world.

So they had this drag king come out, and he was small.

He was a small guy.

And so he comes out and he's doing this like manly number.

By the way, I think that's why drag kings can't catch on because no one like really jams the same to like Willie Nelson in a drag bar.

You know what I mean?

They actually probably would do Willie Nelson.

I'm trying to think of a better example, but like Nicolas Shea.

Like no one's going to go crazy over Nicola Shea.

Anyway, that's not the point.

So the Drag King comes out and there's a bachelorette party there because of course there is.

There is at every drag show.

And they were really cute.

And the bride, the drag queen immediately eyes the bride and comes right up and picks her up and carries her to the stage and drops her ass on the ground.

Oh my God.

He dropped her.

He dropped her on the ground.

Okay.

And she's like, I'm okay.

I'm okay.

But she took forever to get up.

I don't think she was okay.

And then

the hostess, you know, the drag queen who was hosting it was going, we were sitting right by the backstage entrance, you know, like where they come on and off stage.

And at the end of his number, he's waving and he's like smiling.

And she goes up to him and she pushes him behind the camera.

She goes, Get the fuck out of here.

Get the fuck out of here.

I died.

I died.

But anyway, yeah, Stephanie was like the girl they drop in the drag show.

It's like her first time, you know, she's like, I'm totally down.

And it's like, you're the girl, she's the girl that you're rooting for that drag queen to drop.

But yeah, I saw her posting on Instagram this week, like, oh my God.

Hey, everybody.

These are all the friends that I pay for.

Look at me buying friends.

I must be buying them right.

That's why I'm surrounded by friends.

And it's her at some party just doing her silent laugh.

And then

I'm like, you paid for all those feet.

Like you're paying for the dinner.

Like, why are you?

How is that not buying your friend?

I don't know.

The whole thing with her is she cannot be this defensive.

You can't be a housewife and then getting offended at every little thing because you be the sweetest housewife on the planet and people are still going to show up on your Instagram and go, you dumb bitch, your eyeshadow, stupid.

You know, it's just the nature of the beast.

You need to calm it down over there.

Question piece.

Yes.

I'm sorry.

Say what you're going to say.

Such an interrupt.

Oh, I was just going to say she's going to have a tough time next season because you know she's going to be a villain next, like a really big villain.

You know, they're going to go for her next season.

Yeah.

Well, Kiki and Gertie have done interviews.

Kiki unfollowed Gertie.

It's like a big deal.

And everybody's like, why, Kiki?

Why?

So they've been doing interviews and they've both said in their interviews that this is going to be a record-breaking produce reunion because something absolutely

that's absolutely never happened before on any housewives reunion happens at this reunion.

So people are asking like, what is it?

I don't know what it is.

I have a guess, but what's your guess?

Something that has never happened before.

Maybe the announcement of the new cast member.

Maybe, or maybe someone gets promoted live on the show, on the reunion.

Oh, like turning

from friend of to regular.

Maybe someone.

Maybe someone gets fired on the spot.

Although, kind of Adrian Malouf was sort of fired at the reunion once.

That will be your last act as a Bravo housewife.

I think Stephanie's going to quit.

That's my guess.

Because

Stephanie posted something after the reunion that people were like, did you quit?

I don't even remember what it was because it wasn't that dramatic, but it was something like, oh my God.

I don't know, whatever it was.

People were like, are you going to quit?

Are you quitting the show?

And she said, no.

Most reunions.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But I'm wondering if that's what, that's my only guess.

I don't know what else it could be.

Oh, well, East Awesome has a prediction.

Air conditioning was discovered at the reunion.

Maybe that's what happens.

Carrie says someone shits the couch.

And Emily says, Larza reveals her plastic surgery.

Someone says something that's never happened.

Probably Andy not asking about plastic surgery.

And Amanda says, at Carrie, surely Ramona pooped on the reunion couch before.

I don't think that.

I don't think that would be the first one.

I have to say, one thing that I was really shocked about was that on Friday, I saw that Larsa was trending.

And

lots of people

I went on and I looked and lots of people were just like super angry at Larsa for being mean to Lisa and saying how Lisa is such a nice girl and everyone's ganging up on Lisa yada yada yada yada and everyone was just like coming down on Larsa which they should because Larsa is like literally like a demon that's come out of hell but like it's just funny to me that everyone is so kind to Lisa I'm like does everyone forget that Lisa's an asshole too?

I'm just, I feel like they're both two assholes just going at each other.

It's like death becomes her, right?

And it was just very funny that like, to me, the audience was super sympathetic to Lisa, but I think that just goes to show like no one likes a gang up on these shows, no matter what.

That's why Katie is doing so well in Orange County.

Yeah, I think so.

Although Katie, I mean, I don't know if she's doing so well.

Do you think she's doing really well?

I think she's kind of a mess.

I'm kind of embarrassed for her because I've been rooting for that girl, but death is getting worse and worse.

No, she's very, she's very messy, but we're all rooting for her.

And like, we're all rooting.

We're like, oh, and then there's always pictures, like every time I go on to X, people are like, look, there's always a picture of Katie looking, you know, drop dead, gorgeous.

They're like, look at her.

They could only wish.

They could only want.

And they show up like a picture of Tamara looking like she just climbed out of a washing machine.

And they're like, look at Tamra trying so hard.

So like people, I think, are like on Katie's side.

Even though I think we all at this point acknowledge that she's lying too much.

Yeah, she's full of it.

I mean, she's, she's extremely artless.

I would say her art level as a housewife is sad.

Like, it's bad.

It's really bad.

But maybe with some practice, she should be, she could be better.

I mean, I just like that she stays so calm.

I think that there's something to that about having that level of just

icy calmness that no matter what you say to her, she's just like, that's not true.

I didn't do it.

Whatever.

Shannon forgot her sandwich.

i think katie is sort of like a willa ford type you know like it's having her moment we're rooting for her we know she can we know she can do it but she was like maybe slightly too clunky to really be legendary you know like she has to she just has to kind of get a little tighten it up tighten it up and have like a like have some longevity there you know yeah get your lies straight but this week when or last week when they um had her confessional and she's like okay so should I say what really happened or what I'm supposed to be saying?

Or like, which, which do you guys want right now?

Am I supposed to say the truth or do you want me to keep lying?

Should I go with this lie or that lie?

Which one do you guys want?

And they're like, okay, tell us the truth.

Yeah, exactly.

Emily says, kudos to Katie, considering this is her second season and she's already got the monotone lies down.

That's exactly right.

Monotone lies.

I'm really excited for this episode of next episode of Orange County.

But anyway, let's go on to some more headlines.

Well, let's get this one.

I'm going to do another OC because we brought up Katie.

You want to talk about the art of lying and how to get it down, Pat?

There's no one better to ask than Slade Smiley, ladies and gentlemen.

This is from the

famous French magazine that we're all subscribed to ever since the 80s.

And

Real Housewives Slade Smiley reveals what he told Katie's husband, Matt, during the call as Gretchen Rossi blasts Katie over lies.

This was written by Barnell Anderson.

Hey, Barney.

So there's quite a bit going on with the Real Housewives of Orange County, blah, blah, blah.

As fans know, Katie and Gretchen were on good terms, bladder blah.

Gretchen was on the recent episode of Juicy Scoop with Heather McFucking Donald.

What about that?

Glad to see Heather doing well over there.

Hey, Heather, we're proud of you.

Keep on keeping on.

Look at you.

Where she discussed her issues with Katie.

She said, we're in New orleans and katie is swearing that she did not tell kiki this fake story and she's like i swear i did not tell kiki this story and she's like adamant where's the slate quote can we just get to the slate quote we know what gretchen's gonna say

uh now they brought up uh naked wasted gretchen said by the way i'm not trying to protect tamara from anything so then katie and now matt are doubling down and matt is now claiming that slade called him in new orleans and said protect gretchen hold the line she was very disappointed in Matt.

And

he was just saying, don't speak to bloggers or media.

That's all it was.

Slade himself says he was asked if it was true that Katie had been calling bloggers and he denied that it was true.

Slade added that he told Matt Janella, well, well, neighbor.

I don't want to hear a month from now that she actually did it because okalid okali, that's been her track record where she denies, denies, denies.

And then all of a sudden she flips and there's an admission.

And that's exactly what happened.

Now she's changing her story after denying it on camera.

Not to say she won't be welcome at my house for pudding anytime soon because she's a neighbor.

And that's how we do neighbors.

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I just don't, what I don't, it's like

Gretchen being on camera, telling Tamara, yeah, well, I got, I was really, really drunk and the next day I went to the hospital because I was so sick.

And then telling us, I never went to the hospital, that to me is a harder pill to swallow.

Like, that's like, like, we're talking about, like, oh, are Katie and Matt lying, whatever?

Like, Katie obviously did lie, but her next

like potential lie makes more sense that she and she and Matt are protecting Gretchen because there was a request that Gretchen, you know, that they were protect Gretchen.

Now, whether or not that's true, we don't know because Katie has lied, but I think Gretchen having a more of a blatant lie means that I just don't believe Gretchen as much.

And Slade's, you know, history of being sort of a housewives Fengali does not work in his favor either.

So in this case, I'm going to side with Katie.

I do believe that Slade said something along the lines of like, hey, like, don't like, just let's deny, let's just deny everything, deny everything.

I don't want this to become a whole mess.

And, but now it has 100% a whole mess.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, it's a messy season because they're all lying so much.

And it's a couple of crazy things are happening.

One, you've got.

Katie.

I mean, obviously, Katie goes to dinner with all the couples.

Gretchen says, yeah, that night was really bad.

I went, I felt so sick in the morning.

I went to the hospital and they tested me and I tested positive for something or whatever she says, which was probably just exaggerating.

It was probably something like, I woke up and I was so sick, I thought I had been roofied.

But, you know, God knows what she actually said.

Then Katie was so excited to get gossip that she immediately went out and started telling bloggers or a podcast,

which is not a blog, but still.

And then she got caught.

And then Gretchen, then Slade was like, hey, keep this off camera.

We don't want all this on camera.

We just got Gretchen back on here.

We don't want Bravo, you know, getting rid of Gretchen.

So that is all amazing because they've all proven now to be such liars that actually Katie is believable now because everybody else is lying so much that it's made Katie believable, which is crazy.

But the even crazier part is Tamara is such a fucking mastermind that she was the one who perpetrated Naked Wasted.

And now she's got everybody else fighting over who's a bigger liar between Gretchen and Katie.

I mean,

that's pretty smooth.

You can say what you want about Tamara, but that's art.

That's it.

Yeah,

someone in one of our Instagram comments said something like, Gina Keogh is the one who's getting away with murder, because if you go back to the episode, it's actually Gina who tells Ryan to go check in.

Well, Gina's not on the season, and Gina Keogh's not on the season.

And it wasn't Gina's son with her hands all over Gretchen and making Gretchen's drinks all night.

So, yeah,

I would also need to like.

And if you bail her ass out here, we'll give her shit too.

But right now, we're talking about Tamara Tamara because that's who's on here.

Now, the other thing is.

Sorry, that was pretty harsh, right?

I didn't mean to use it.

I loved it.

I was like, listen here, young lady.

I drove by a sword today that was like, that had the name Keo on it.

And I was like, I wonder if that's like Gina Keo's daughter.

Sounded so rude.

Sorry, commenter.

I wasn't yelling at you.

I'm just saying, like, I read that book.

I read All Diamonds and Rose, and I listened to a lot of it because Amy Phillips voices it beautifully.

And

I did listen to it.

I did read all that.

But I don't, first of all,

Gina, I believe, but I don't believe everything in that book, first of all, because it's a lot of it is what the producers say.

And we all know we've been lied to by producers for 20-something years now.

So we should know better than to believe everything that comes out of a producer's mouth.

But the Gina thing, yeah, I mean, Gina was at fault too, and Vicky was greatly at fault too, but people are leaving Vicki out of it because we're talking about Tamara.

And Tamara's the one who brought this all back into our minds, you know?

Tamara is the one who brought back.

What's interesting to me is what I also can't figure out is when

Katie allegedly said this to Kiki, I'm wondering what Katie's motivation was because I can believe it going 50-50 in two ways.

I can see 50-50.

She's going to bring some

gossip that she's hoping that Kiki will say on the air and will get Tamara.

But I can, honestly, I can also imagine, I'm not, I really am not trying to be a Katie apologist.

I can really imagine a world where she thinks she's just like gossiping, like, oh my God.

And guess what I heard?

Thinking, like, oh, Naked Waste was years ago.

So who would care about that?

And then she sort of says it carelessly.

And then all of a sudden it spirals into a big thing.

And so

I don't know.

I wonder which way, which way do you think she was really, do you think she was trying to push a story or do you think she was being careless?

I see both things being totally viable.

And I'm really split on how, how, how, it, what her

mindset was.

I mean, going to lunch, like planning a lunch with someone who hosts a show on radio, Andy, that gossips about housewives.

I mean,

maybe she just did it to kind of get Curry favor because, you know, we know doing what we do, a lot of people will do that.

They'll try and buddy up because they think we'll make fun of them less until they listen the next day.

But,

you know, they do do that.

But I think when you're sitting down with someone and you let information like that go, I think she's definitely trying to come for Tamara.

Don't you?

I don't think she was trying to come for Gretchen.

I think she was trying to come for Tamara because now she's all upset that Gretchen's not standing behind her when she's like, you did say that.

She doesn't understand the concept.

She just thinks that she probably acted because of how they've actually taught her for a season.

Yeah.

How they acted was like, well, Katie, this is all out in the public domain.

So you can't get mad at anybody for saying anything.

So she's thinking the same rules apply to her and she just doesn't have the numbers on her side you know yeah um yeah i'm i'm interested there there is a part of me that also thinks that if she she was telling kiki this with with intention i can imagine katie thinking like fuck tamara and i'm gonna help i'm gonna help gretchen out like you know i'm just for gretchen i can almost imagine her thinking and i again i'm not trying to be an apologist about this but you know it it just is this is such a funny controversy to me because it's so old and also it's such a distraction from

like from what Tamra did and also from how Tam, what Tamara's behavior has been all season.

And so,

I mean, Tamara is kind of a genius.

I mean, she drops really a stupid bomb.

Like Katie told Kiki about like that you said that I roofed you.

It's such a convoluted and like just.

It's just a

old story thing and it has gone off like wildfire.

I'm so sorry to interrupt you, but you just reminded me something that I was thinking about as I went to bed the other night because isn't this what everybody thinks about as they're trying to go to sleep?

I was thinking for weeks, I've been saying, what is Tamara's motivation?

Why in the world would Tamra say,

why would she bring up the fact that she could even have possibly roofied Gretchen?

It just doesn't make sense.

What I think, I think I found the answer in my sleep the other day.

The whole thing with Phaedra coming back, people were having a fit that Phaedra was coming back, even that she was put back on the traders because they're saying you accused, you accused Candy of trying to roofy Portia, which is a rape allegation, basically.

How dare you?

And it kind of put Candy in this like, not hero position, but it put Phaedra in the worst villain position ever in Housewives history, really.

And deservedly so.

Phaedra earned that one.

I'm not standing up for that.

Do you think that Tamara considered that the same thing and tried to get herself the same candy edit by saying like, look, someone over here is trying to accuse me of rape and it's going to make her the ultimate villain of the show and it's going to make me kind of a hero in a way i think she was reading old bad housewives humor in her or not humor but lore i think she was remembering housewives lore in her mind and she was trying to use something from another show and it backfired on her because no one's going to think of that because we have the footage of you where anybody would believe that you did roofie her and your son was being such a fucking creep but just the way that tamara looks at herself i was thinking she was trying to give herself a candy at it.

I, I mean, I love the conspiratorial element of that.

I don't think Tamara's thinking on that level, personally.

I think Tamara's thinking, let me say something that's going to turn these two against each other.

And she's going to pretend to care about Gretchen's feelings.

Like, oh my God, Gretchen, can you believe she was saying this?

She was making it sound like you're lobbing accusations.

And I think that she was actually, I mean, there was, there is an element of like, she's saying these things that could put you in a situation that Phaedra was in.

But I don't think she, I think that she's merely just trying to turn people against each other because

this is all an effort to isolate Katie.

And I, and somehow this leads back.

My conspiracy is that somehow this leads back to the ongoing war of Tamra versus Shannon.

And I'm just trying to figure out.

how this all works and I can't quite figure out what's going on.

See, Geb, a lot of the comments are split.

Some people are like, hell no.

And some people are like, that makes sense.

One of my favorite was Dee, who said, yes.

And then she said, wait, no.

So I think that's kind of where I fall on my own, my own theory.

Seageb says Tamrat is not that smart, but she didn't pull it off.

So ultimately, she wasn't that smart.

It wasn't a well-thought-out plan, but I think Tamara, after the last season, was so villainized.

Do you remember how quiet she was at the reunion?

She wouldn't even speak.

She was just like, yeah.

And that's why I said, I'm sorry, guys.

I'm a different person now.

I'm autistic.

And so she was trying that whole thing in the last reunion because she got spanked online so much.

And so I think that was going to be her play at having a hero edit this year of being like, can you believe someone would accuse me of something like that?

But that's only a half-baked theory.

And yes, admitting it is a lot because it is admitting that I think of Tamara before I go to marriage.

I think of these shows.

I do.

I'm like, what are they really doing?

What are they doing to me?

Did you say this or did Courtney say it on Two judgy girls

that Katie and Tamra seem to be friends now?

Or is that just a fabrication in my mind that I'm just spreading falsely?

Yeah, Tamra and Katie are friends now.

Because now Katie, now Katie is against Gretchen because she's going to call Gretchen a liar, which puts her on Tamara's side because that's all Tamra's been wanting to do.

And also, Tamara breaks down Katie, isolates her from the pack, and then takes her in under her wing.

And that's how Tamara also gets her power in this group.

This is how she like gets people like Gina and Emily like under her wing or even Heather, which is wild because Tamara spent an entire season trying to destroy Heather an entire season two seasons ago.

And now Heather is on the show such a Tamara defender.

She's the one having, you know, lunches with Tamara.

the place with a hot waiter, you know, being like, I am trying to find out what is going on with you.

And so I think that tamer had this like amazing technique of just like destroying, isolating, and then taking in these people.

Yeah.

Yep.

Did we ever find that waiter, by the way?

There was like a lot of talk on Friday, like, who is Cody the waiter?

Did anyone find him?

Has Cody been found?

I'm asking our audience right now.

Oh, God.

Do people still look for hot guys like that?

I mean, what are you going to do with them?

Go.

Just want to look.

Just to look.

Just to go get your tour of Misu from a hot guy, huh?

No, no, I'm not, I don't want to go there.

I'm just saying we all would just want to see his Instagram, et cetera.

You know, that's Cody.

Cody, the hot waiter.

You know.

Yeah, I don't care.

Oh, I don't care about hot waiters.

They're a dime a dozen, darling.

All right.

Let's go into.

Sorry, Cody.

I hope Cody's not somewhere like.

deflated because I was like, fuck hot waiters.

Who needs them?

Give me a good old ugly waiter anytime.

They'll work harder.

Okay, so Miami legal drama, Stephanie Shojai and her husband, Shohaji.

How do you pronounce that?

And I don't mean to be rude.

I just don't want to be problematic.

Shojai?

Shojai, maybe?

Shojai?

Okay, Stephanie Shojai and her husband, Old Balls Blaine owner, intend to sue former real housewife star Anna Kinonces

for defamation.

Oh, no, Anna.

The boogeyman of Miami is Anna.

What happened now?

Okay, well, it's a video for some reason.

I guess it's a clip.

Anna, Anna Kooks, but it's with a Q-O-O-K-S.

Anna Kooks.

Breaking news.

Reality court has officially made it, folks.

We've just received our first I intend to sue you for defamation letter, a real threat of a frivolous lawsuit, and we are going to have so much fun letting this play out in the court of public opinion.

None of this would have been possible without our judgy something, judgy juror something, who tune in every week and keep us fueled with hot tea, side eye, and unsolicited opinions.

Because apparently she has been talking about all the gossip that Stephanie was.

And by the way, we can't be sued because I'm not coming out with this gossip.

I'm just repeating what I've already heard all over the internet from Rob the stylist.

From Rob Stylist.

Okay, I heard this directly from Rob Stephanie Stylist.

Okay.

Okay, great.

Just kidding.

I'm just kidding.

This is shit that's been going around on the internet and YouTube videos, etc.

That Stephanie was the wife's assistant at the company, and then she ended up basically stealing that lady's life and taking the husband and getting her out of the house and doing all of that stuff.

And now claiming that, you know, all this other stuff.

So that's the gossip.

And I guess Anna was talking about it and is now going to get sued.

Oh, my goodness.

And somewhere I just heard Leah.

She's here right now.

She's in town right now.

I just heard her saying, oh, my back.

Maybe they'll bring Anna back for another scene where she awkwardly sits there and like doesn't do anything.

And we all get excited and then get let down.

I know.

She really is good on the bench, but man, once you get her up there, she's like, never mind.

I don't want to be here anymore.

Bye.

She is awkward.

I'll always remember the season of Food Network Star that she was on and she was.

Very ill-equipped for that show, which was hilarious.

She was.

What was her shtick?

cuban food i think was it cuban i think it's cuban yeah but you can't just do no but i mean like what was her like emotional shtick because you know how they all had to have the thing

i'm the sexy chef and i'm the you know

i'm gonna look anna concosis i never know how to say her last name food network star says i think or concosis i don't know the skinny latina um

i don't

know food network star a day

doesn't really have much

What's the one thing you want to?

I'm trying to look.

There's not much.

I don't know.

I don't know what her thing was.

I think it was just she was anaking coats.

I want to say it was sexy.

I know that there was

Penny.

I know that Penny was sexy.

Well, a few of them have done like the sexy.

Wasn't hers like romantic or like dating.

Maybe it was.

She did something like that.

I don't know.

I don't remember.

But that's the point.

That's why she didn't make it because we didn't remember.

Can we do a piece of gossip that's

I feel like we never even addressed, but I'm looking at one of these articles about southern hospitality rumors, and I don't know how we missed it, but I didn't realize that Will Culp was fired from the show

or that he's leaving, but people are saying that he was fired because he didn't go to that reunion.

And now,

oh, I guess that happened last month, this news.

And now the gossip is Ali, aka Ali Ali Bally has been hanging out with the cast a lot.

And the rumor is

maybe she might

be on the show.

Although I guess the source is saying she doesn't have a role in the show, she won't be a cast member.

Would you want to see Allie Bally

on Southern Hospitality?

No, not really.

But I'm not like anti or anything.

I thought she was a very nice girl on.

Vanderpump rules.

And I certainly feel for what she went through with James, but I don't know what she has to offer other than just being like, yeah, guys, give them another chance.

Like, I don't really remember anything that she did.

She was nice, though.

Maybe they could use that.

Or maybe she could be like the card reader when that flaky ass Grace Lily's like, oh my God, I got my chakrist did, y'all.

I got my chakristed by this girl.

Yeah.

She's so nice.

And brings her on.

That sounds very accurate.

That's exactly what her role will be on the show.

I can see that.

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