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This is part two of the recap.

If you missed part one, go check out your podcast feed.

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And without further ado, let's get right back into the recap.

Now we go to a place called Fleur-de-Lis, because of course there's a place called Fleur-de-Lis, aka Gretchen's favorite thing to put on her wall.

And Emily.

There's not a stitch of fleur-de-lis in this place, by the way.

Not a stitch.

I don't

know tacky.

And they walk in, and Emily picks up what looks like something like a booger splatted against a wall.

And she goes, oh, this is nice.

Like, oh, God.

There's no tackier show on Bravo.

There really is.

There really is.

Like, literally every place they go is so tacky on this show.

And having this on the same night as Miami, where they just keep on going to like glamorous locales, like one after the next.

And then you have this show.

It's just, it's really hard.

And like the good news is that you leave this show and go to the world of Miami.

But the bad news is that I watch the screeners in reverse order.

I watch Miami first.

So to go from the luxe, colorful world of Miami to now flirt a Lee of like Laguna Beach, I'm like, oh, this is really hard.

So

Emily walks in and then Shannon comes in and then they like pretend to hide from each other.

They're like looking each other through like a bookcase.

Like, isn't this funny?

It's a bookcase, but we can see each other, but we're acting like we can't see each other.

God, I love having good girlfriends, not toxic over here.

So, Gina's like, oh my God, like, what are we like shopping for?

I mean, I can like always shop, okay?

And Emily's like, I don't know, fun stuff.

Let's get fun stuff.

That's why we're at Fleur de Lee, home of fun stuff, wacky, wacky times.

Oh, well, I think I found a pillow for Emily.

Look at this pillow.

It says, it says, not tonight.

I guess I'll give this to Earl.

So that way he can tell me if tonight's the night that he's going to be trying vegetables.

And Emily's like, oh, yeah, I did that.

Shopkeep, do you have one of these pillows that says, none of these men will be intimate with me?

This was more fun than it was about you.

Do you have a pillow that on the front side says David?

And then the back side says David?

Okay, no, that's fine.

What does the other side say?

The other side says tonight.

The side's never going to see the sun, though.

It's always going to say not tonight.

Well, we're so wacky.

Oh, my God.

I'm going to be so much fun.

So Emily's like,

you found something in this not tonight pillow.

Hold on.

It's a Subway sandwich.

Sure, it's hilarious.

Oh, by the way,

if Not Tonight is supposed to reference me being an awful person, guess what?

That's tonight.

Because guess what?

I have to tell you, because it's on my mind, but Jen called me.

So we see Jen, a flashback of Jen calling Emily

and saying that.

Katie said that the polygraph people were paid actors.

You know what, Jen?

I get you not.

If you don't want to be dragged into Katie's, whatever, that's fine.

But going from your best friend on the show to immediately turning around and calling everyone on the cast and be like, well, here's what Katie said.

And Katie, no, no, no.

And Katie said, and Katie's accusing you guys.

You're coming across as a real dick, Jen.

And I'm actually surprised because I like Jen.

Well, if you don't want to be in the middle of it, then don't be in the middle of it.

Yeah.

And stop calling everybody and putting yourself in the middle of it and staying in the middle of it.

You ding-dong.

Middle.

You're a bad friend.

That's what you are.

I thought you were a better friend than this.

You're choosing Gretchen over Katie.

Hey, Jen, did you go to Middlebury College?

Because as far as I can tell, you're in the middle and you kind of look like a Barry.

So there.

So

Emily is like, she thinks it was like a setup.

Like, I planned all this, that I had time on my hands.

I mean, you literally put robes up, like you put like blind, like you put curtains up and set up two different polygraph rooms.

You and also set up a threw a whole person New Year's party.

You had the time.

You had the the time i'm sorry i'm sorry you had to put your supreme course court case to the side that you were trying but yeah i think you had the time here oh also in the interview that matt did with uh stew he said uh oh please emily's like a molkov lawyer

innocence project

so um

and so gina's like i mean well you know who would think that is like somebody who sets people up.

Okay, I don't think Katie was setting people up.

I don't think Katie's Machiavellian like that.

So, Emily's like, well, by the way, the person who set up Katie was you, Gina, last year when you told Katie to bring up the Heather stuff on camera, and then you totally backed off of it and was like, Well, you got to confront Heather, otherwise, I have to.

So, I'm going to go to the other side.

But you also set her up.

You're a set her upper.

You also set her up by calling Kikung Monique to come all the way to Mozambique so you could have this discussion about something that had nothing to fucking do with you, and then helped Emily with her stupid lie detector test party.

Give me a fucking break with the setup.

And also, you know who else says that they were set up?

People who were set up, you dummy.

Yeah, you dummy.

And by the way, next time, why don't you go to Kiki Monique?

Why'd you drag her all the way down to Mozambique?

You should go up to Hollywood.

Jeez, go to Tartine.

Like a real, like a real lady would.

So, um,

so then we go to

um more flashbacks.

Okay, so we're back to the present.

Emily's like, it wasn't a setup.

Okay, just tell the fucking truth and you pass.

But like, you guys all failed your polygraph tests in some way for question, unfortunately.

Literally, and she lied.

So there you go.

So then she lied in her, in her, in her, in her, in her, in her life test,

not her polygraph.

So Emily gets a ding and she's like, oh, hi, Luke.

And he's like, mama, let me TikTok go on a walk.

And she's like, dad's not home.

When he gets back, you can ask him.

he goes no i'm doing it now it's like no luke no luke oh my god he just let go me i can't believe he's doing this he's trying to take the dog on a walk what does this mean about luke

he refuses to listen to dogs

my son is taking the dog on a walk do you know how difficult this is i can't with kate i came out with emily just can't i'm sorry he refuses to go to school and i'm like i'm sorry like i don't know what to do I'm like, what am I supposed to do?

Just stay home all day and not go to Florida Lee?

Just stop answering the phone.

If you know it's your kid to get a call every two seconds, just stop, stop answering.

I know you probably should answer the phone, but just don't.

If it's an emergency, tell the kid how to leave a voicemail.

So Emily's like, Luca's very attached to me.

And if I leave the house, he gets so upset.

And then I feel like I should just leave and go be with him.

And then I think, is that the best thing for him, for me to just never do anything else of him?

You wonder why he talks like a baby?

Maybe you should stop babying him.

Okay.

Drop him off.

Make him go to school.

Bye.

Make him go to school.

See you later, sucker.

Seriously, or if he's not, hire a really stern tutor or something to be there at the house and make him do his work anyway.

I mean, he's he's taking off.

Listen, I used to do it all the time.

I would be like, I'm sick, mommy.

I just want to be with you.

I did it all the time.

So maybe that's

maybe it's me projecting a little bit of my stuff onto this, but I'm like, come on, stop crying because your son would rather not.

Do you know who else would rather not go to school to hang out at home all day?

Every kid.

Everyone.

Every kid.

Just grab him, put him in the car.

Yeah.

Drop him.

Drop him.

Kick him into the school.

I understand.

Parenting is complicated.

And especially if he is on the spectrum, there's like added, you know, there's added things to that, but also it sounds like you're babying your kid.

And then you're like, he talks like a baby.

Why is very attached to me?

Why has that happened?

It's like because from everything you've told us it sounds like you're babying him so you know

yeah you know we've gotten don't do that we've gotten some um messages from people with autistic children or children on the spectrum and stuff like that i'm not even commenting on that i have no idea medically what's going on with the kid emily doesn't know yet either you know like her she doesn't know yet so that's all still up and up in the air so i'm not like making fun of that or saying here's how to deal with an autistic child or or anything like that.

I'm solely commenting on Emily's behavior.

Like, to me, Emily's behavior is just so overdramatic.

She's always crying about something, she's always turning something into some huge deal for TV.

And from what we've just seen, the kid wants to take the dog for a walk.

Like, I can't, I can't with you, Emily.

Like, I'm not going to sit here and cry in a store over your kid wanting to take the dog for a walk.

Do you know how many parents are begging their kids to take the dog for a walk?

Yeah, um, either way, it sounds like a difficult situation.

So Emily is like, I just don't know how to help him.

I'm so lost.

And Gina's like, I know.

Like, we are Shane right now.

So I guess Shane had to go pick up Annabelle.

And he couldn't take Luke because Luke refused to go along as well.

So Emily, and then he starts to FaceTime again.

And she's like, Luke, can you please just chill for a minute till dad gets home?

Okay.

I don't know what to fucking do.

Listen, you say, Luke, if you fucking call me one more time,

I am going to put on some Kenny G very loudly.

And that's all you're going to hear at home for the next seven days until you will go to school.

Kenny G.

The old, the old Kenny G.

Be careful.

Be careful what you do because that kid could grow out his hair, start perming it, and like learning to play the electric flute or whatever the fuck that guy played.

Would it be so bad?

So wrong.

So wrong with that.

It's not a terrible, not a terrible fate for the kid.

So Emily is talking about how hard it is on her marriage because she wants to pair it in one way and Shane wants to parent in another way and they're going to get divorced over it.

And, you know, it's, it's all their, all of their energy is spent on Luke and Luke's need.

And they're basically just roommates living on this house, navigating these kids.

And you know what we call that?

Some of us call that parenting, but

she's like, there's no joy in this.

There is no joy on this.

He won't eat a sweet potato.

Here's what I don't, here's what I did not love about this moment was was when she said, like, we're getting to a point where we're going to end up divorced because I don't know how to parent Luke.

He doesn't know how to parent Luke.

And then we fight each other.

If this kid sees this and if they do divorce, it's going to be met.

That's not going to be good because the whole thing is that, right, like in divorce, you don't want the kids to feel like it's their fault.

And she's literally on TV saying like,

we're going to divorce because we don't know how to deal with this kid.

This kid, I want to do the kid this way.

He wants to do the kid this way.

And we don't know what to do with Luke.

So we're going to get divorced.

I mean, like, this is not good to have on the permanent record.

I would have to say, yeah, I agree with you.

I think that that's a good point, and that's my problem with Emily.

It's the way she's navigating this whole thing with her kid, whatever is going on with her kid, how Emily is handling it on TV is really, really bad for this kid's future.

And, you know, you can make the argument for a lot of other housewives and how they've dealt with kid issues and stuff on this show.

And I mean, I guess you could take that case by case, but in this case, it's Emily, and she sucks at it.

It's really hard to watch.

I mean, I

actually respect the transparency of it all.

Like I like she is struggling with her kids and I do want authentic things on this show.

And I think that is an authentic, true pressure that she's feeling.

And I think it is hard.

Like all snark aside, I think it's like she's in a very hard situation because for whatever, whatever, whatever led to this point in their relationship with their child, like that's just where they are now and they're trying to deal with it.

And so I enjoy the transparency of all of it all and getting a peek into her personal struggles of what she's dealing with versus like oh i've got like a sandwich in my purse but that being said like it's it's one of those tough things where it's like i want authenticity but then you cringe that um like about what damage she might be doing in the long run to her to her child if any

so then we go over to katie and matt and oh by the way the ladies are crying in the store shan is like come on honey honey come here can we just get a pillow that says go to school

let's get that pillow

we can katie and matt's house by the way by the way put the dog put the dog in the car and next time luke wants to walk the dog you just trickle he goes into the car like aha guess what now you're going to help me pick up annabelle congratulations luke

you just use the tools use the tools that you have use that dog to yourself i guess i just didn't have that many options as a kid it was like ronnie if you're gonna stay home i have to leave i'm not leaving you alone we're getting your sister from school i didn't get to be like no i don't want to and then do whatever i want yeah same i got a fly swatter to the head and shoved in the back of the car okay

there was no option there was no option i don't get this like

you know i don't get it it's not like the please please will you get in the car it was never there was there was not a single please ever there was no it was get in the car you know i mean i was a good kid so usually they didn't have to say things like my parents didn't have to say things but like you know there was there was no option it's just like your parents told you what to do and you did it

And yeah, I mean, I didn't, but there were wars over it.

It was never just like, do whatever you want, Ronnie.

Sure.

So at Katie's house,

she is sitting with Matt and they're talking about what a cluster fuck this all is.

And I kind of feel for Matt because he's just like, oh, hi, my wife's home.

And she's like, here's what's going on with the ladies.

And you just see him like dying inside.

He's like, oh, Jesus.

So he's like, what is happening with Jen and Ryan pretending like they didn't hear it?

You know, like.

Do you know how many three-way calls I've been on with Ryan and Slate talking about what they told us at dinner?

I mean, look at the amount of calls.

So he shows his phone

and he's chose multiple calls from my spicy Asian with a little

chili pepper thing on it.

And apparently Katie entered her name as MySpicy Asian on his phone.

She said on X Twitter.

Twitter.

And

he's, and then we see some, we see a call from Slade.

Hold on, let me see.

I screenshotted it so I could.

Someone online screenshotted also that like also that like Slade's texts were like

in case people are wondering about the authenticity of what Matt was saying it was like clearly clearly slade had sent uh Matt Tamara's IG story saying that she'd quit the show so like definitely slade was talking about Tamara in case in case there was any

calls thing so slade calls Matt Matt calls

slade and then Matt calls it back and then talks to Katie a couple of times and then calls Slade another couple of times and then Slade there's a missed call from Slade.

So I don't know what the damning thing is, except that the guys have been talking, you know, about it.

Like it was enough that like, enough that like people needed to get on the phone and have a dis and have discussions like in a, in a, in a, in a fury.

And

like that does not seem like someone would be like, oh, whatever.

This is, this is stupid.

This is, this is like.

Like, I think you have those big conversations if there's like a cover-up.

If it's like, what?

No, like, like, Gretchen never said that.

And it's like, oh, okay.

Like, whatever.

it was just stupid timer she's just trying to stir up shit but the fact that there's all this conversation to me this is a smoke and fire situation and matt's like well 43 minutes on march 10th i mean just shooting the shit with slade really like

how

long can i talk about his crooked penis for yeah and he says you don't think he's trying to manipulate this i mean 911 he puts on the phone he essentially said gretchen is going to deny it and katie needs to hold the line and stay with gretchen and i said i got a hold of katie i told her what you told me and she'll stay with Gretchen.

Okay.

So that he originally agreed to go on the plan, go in on this plan.

So Katie's like, yeah, Slade alerted Matt and Ryan about this whole naked wasted situation while we were in New Orleans.

And I think he was trying to cover his tracks.

And he thought by telling Ryan and Matt, he would control Jen and I.

So.

God, shows my brain scrambled.

So Matt's like, yeah.

And whenever I've hung out with Slade, he's, it's always him telling us how we started Housewives.

And someone sent me a clip where he talks about, oh, oh if Joe's not on then I'm not on and then we see a flashback from the reunion in 2016 with Andy going slade Can you understand why some people think you're a media whore?

And he's like, no, I mean, you should remember that after the second season, I made the decision not to continue on the housewives.

I made that decision.

He's like, uh, well, Joe wasn't a housewife anymore, so there was no place for you on the show.

And Slade's like, correct.

That's such a douchebag.

I think Slade, I guess is Slade trying to imply that it was like he told Joe not to go back or something like that.

Like, I don't know.

Like, he is so stupid.

Like, no, it's awesome.

He's implying that it was his, like, he was the main cast member and it was his decision not to come back on the show.

He's so ridiculous.

And we know this is true because when we met Slade 10 years ago, this is exactly what he was telling us as well.

Oh, I created the housewives and, you know, this was all my idea.

And he even told me, you know, I mean, if it wasn't for me, you guys wouldn't even have a job, really.

What would you be talking about?

I mean, I started this whole thing.

Like, oh, okay.

Okay.

Yeah,

Slade did, sure.

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Matt's saying, you know, every time we've ever been anywhere near Slayton Gretchen, it's the same stories over and over and over and over again.

And Katie's like, yeah, let's make you hate the person that we hate.

Yeah, they're out to bury Tamara.

Right.

And like, and then Jen just left you out to dry.

Yes.

And that's honestly the most hurtful part of all this is my dearest friend is like, I didn't hear it.

And neither did Ryan.

And Matt's like, they were there.

She's like,

I just miss Jen.

I know it's stupid.

Jen, that is.

She's very stupid.

I know she's stupid, but I just do.

I do.

It feels stupid missing someone so stupid, but call me a stupid person.

I miss her.

I miss her.

And she's like, I just don't know.

I didn't do anything anything to Jen.

Why would she do this to me?

I just can't figure it out.

Because you keep trying to drag her into drama and she doesn't want the drama.

She doesn't want your drama.

You know, I think Katie ultimately, we've said it a million times.

Ultimately, this is on you for going and telling a blogger in the first place or a podcaster.

I don't know why you keep calling her a blogger.

Well, also a video, but there is a fable.

There is a moral to this story.

I mean, it is Boy Who Cried Wolf, which is that, like, again,

There's a few times earlier this season where Katie was caught in stupid lies that were inconsequential, but enough so that now when there's something big like this that happens, she just doesn't have credibility.

And that's, that's kind of on her.

Again, I'm Team Katie, but like she's

saying like, I lied, but I only lied because they told me to lie, but now I'm not lying.

But I, but I am kind of lying because I didn't tell Kikim the other thing.

It's too many things of like, I'm lying, but I'm not lying, but I am lying, but I'm, but I wasn't lying, but I, but I'm lying now, but I'm not lying now, but I was lying then.

Yeah, it's like, oh, well, I was recording you, Shan, but I only showed this.

Well, I don't, I didn't say it, but I, yes, I did do this.

Or

It's like a theme rush.

So then we go to Jen, and her sons are coming to Beach Day, which is, I still find it so funny that she named her son Dawson.

I don't know why.

I just think it's so funny that Jen's like, I really love that guy.

He was just so nice to Felicity.

Yeah,

she probably did name him Dawson from that show.

Of course.

Yeah.

Is Dawson even a name that people name people?

Other than that, I don't think I've ever known another Dawson.

I'm thinking if I know any Dawson, I don't know any Dawsons, but you know,

to be fair, this is also the same show that gives us Chanel, who's Heather's friend, spelled S-H-A-N-E-L.

I'm shocked that Heather is friends with someone who misspells Chanel.

This is Chanel.

She's the Canal Street version of Chanel because she's spelled with an S.

I thought she'd get along with Gina.

Pretty much.

So they're all gathering.

And guess who Tamara has brought?

She's brought Joe.

So Joe is back again.

Tamara's really trying to do the

weaponize Joe.

And it's not totally, it's sort of working.

Not really, though.

Not to the effect that she wants.

Yeah, especially because the first time Gretchen saw Joe, she went up and gave her a hug and told her hi.

So

it's like, it doesn't seem to be working, but it's working better today because Gretchen sees Joe and she's like, oh, why would she do that again?

And then just kind of gives her the cold shoulder.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So, um, and Tamar's like, whatever, whoever my fans are, I'm a friend.

I'm not sure to please Gretchen Rassi.

So, um, they're all gathering and they all are going to go play some

volleyball.

Yeah, Joan's like, my sons are here.

They're going to show it.

They're going to show us how to play volleyball.

Okay, well, while they're teaching us volleyball, how about we teach them not to sign hundreds of thousands of dollars in student loans for each other because their parents are nincompoops?

Okay.

How about that?

That's a good question.

Let's share some knowledge, those poor kids.

I was like, run, Dawson.

Run away.

So then Shannon's like, well, I am just going to grab a piece of cheese instead of playing sports.

Okay.

Okay.

Well, okay.

I'll play.

I'll play.

So it's volleyball and it's fun times.

And they're all, they're all doing it.

They're all talking about like, I'm Sporty Spice.

I'm Posh Spice.

I am Posh Spice.

Okay.

How hilarious.

I'm just your best friend, Heather DeBrux.

Posh Spice.

So did Emily say that?

That all was Emily's big joke in here.

I forgot.

She's like, disheveled spice.

What is it?

Disheveled spies.

Shannon is disheveled spies.

Please get Emily off this show.

I don't know how many times I need to beg you fucking people.

Get her off my shit.

Get her off this show.

It's done.

I can't.

So then they all sit down and then Jen has provided them all gifts and they all open up their boxes and it's like supermarket croissants, like small, the small size ones too, mini croissants.

And she goes, well, I'm on a budget.

And Gretchen just goes, what's the point of this?

Because they don't even know what to do with the croissant.

What the drink is

responsible.

I love it.

So Heather is like, okay, everyone, something

really cool happened.

i went to a bakery and had a full-size croissant much better than this one so i just want to say i've been out in the world thank you everyone thank you so much thank you well i did order it and stare at it and then i left it alone um so that was fun but i actually huge go ahead ben i was gonna say i loved this story that heather had to say because it had a twist that somehow well i'll explain everyone

katarina katarina got into so many schools she got into Emerson, she got into Chapman, she got into UT Austin, but what her dream school, the school that was so hard for her to get into, was USC.

Shannon, did you hear that?

USC.

She really wanted to get into USC.

And she was like, oh, USC.

Oh, well,

I have no poll.

It's a very exclusive school.

It's very, very difficult to get into.

So good luck getting into it.

Well, she got into Yale and just going to Yale instead.

I love that because it was like puffing up Shannon to be like, your school is the amazing school, the Grail school that we all want to get our children into.

And then Shannon gets all excited and is like, oh, yes, USC.

And Heather's like, I'm going to one-up you now.

Yell.

Sorry.

Ha ha.

Well, actually, what kind of cracked me up is that Shannon, Shannon's attitude when she said that cracked me up because she goes, you know what?

Her dream school is USC.

And Shannon goes, I have no pull.

Like, don't even fucking ask me.

I'm not going to the bat for your fucking daughter, Dubro.

Okay.

I still have your monologue running through my head every single night before I go to sleep.

If you ever

come for me or my family, she's like, I've got no poll.

Please don't ask me.

And he's like, don't need it.

She's going somewhere better.

Yeah.

Well, she's not going to be going to university of spoiled children.

That's still a good one, bitch.

Shut up, Kelly Dodge.

You're also running in my head every night before I go to sleep.

I hate that woman.

It's also, by the way, it's such a strange like selection of colleges to choose from.

Like

Chapman, Yale, UT, Austin.

It's no shade to any of the schools, but it's just, it's sort of like all over the map in terms of like different types of schools and different tiers of schools.

I just, I don't, I don't think that there was ever any serious consideration about those other schools.

I think it was always going to be Yale.

And I think Heather wanted to seem like a little humble.

And I just, I just love the Ropa Dope on Shannon on this one because it's like,

I just feel like she, she lifted shannon up into thinking like her school was like the one it was the reach it was so hard it was out of place and it's just like oh no but she got into a much much much harder school so yeah i'm leaving your school behind in the dust am i surprised that cat got into yell absolutely not cat is just one of those kids who are all better than shannon's kids and am i sad that she's going across the country of course am i glad that she's going to be away from the influence of shannon of course

but you know i'm I'm thrilled for her.

And I'm thrilled that Shannon got to go to her lesser school all those years ago.

And I'm so happy for the kids that do get to go to USC, whether through their own merits or through the Felicity Huffman style of getting into USC.

I'm happy for them.

But my kid's going to yell.

Well, I'm going to say I got some good news too.

Sophia's got a first boyfriend.

I think he ate somebody.

It was in the lyrics of the song she wrote.

Oh,

and did he go to yell?

I'm sorry, I'm still in my yell moment here and you're trying to one-up it with a boyfriend.

And my daughter got into a world-class institution, but that's okay.

Sorry, I said yell, not yell.

Okay.

Well, um, if I could tail end on that,

uh, Sophie met a guy and she really started to fall for him.

And last night, he ended it and she was in tears.

So she flew.

I'm like,

why are you crying over Sophie's like fling?

She's sitting here crying and she's like, so she flew in for the weekend and she's going to come here pretty soon.

So I'm excited for you to see her.

I'm really, really excited for you to see her because I think, as we all know, nothing makes us feel better than seeing the youth of America be heartbroken.

Oh, I'm so glad to put a tail end button on this flood of good news about our children.

Sophie got dumped.

So that's been really rough on both of us.

Oh, fuck the way USC got dumped by Katarina when she chose Yale, a better option.

Right, right, Shannon.

This was so good.

She's like, so Sophie just got dumped.

And Heather goes, Oh, this is a good news Friday.

And they're like, Heather, Jesus.

And she goes, No, I mean, it's good news that she's coming to visit her mom.

That's what I meant.

Is that everything Heather says today?

You're like, What the fuck is going on with Heather?

Well, this is good news.

This is good news.

Two broken hearts come together and become one full heart.

That's great news.

Or they're just two broken hearts all in just two heart pieces on the floor.

Either way, my daughter's going to Yale.

I'm so happy to hear someone from an inferior school was heartbroken.

Katarina will know that she made the right decision.

She'll know.

Well, I'm sure Sophie has many more

beautiful options from the men that she met when she was going to Princeton, for instance.

No, she

went to, I think, she went to a school in Texas.

Oh, oh, sorry.

I guess it's my daughter who's going to an Ivy League school, not yours.

Apologies.

I'm sorry.

I was thinking of Ivy League, Sophie's more bowling league.

Okay, let's get to that.

Was he a bowler?

Was this guy a bowler?

Sorry, Shannon.

Ivy League is not a nursing school league where they teach you how to put in Ivies.

Sorry, sorry.

I know that some of your other children here are on that path.

So Tamara's like, oh, yeah, yeah, I mean, I guess that breakup's good news, huh?

And she goes, good news, Friday.

Say something good.

Okay, Shannon's miserable as usual.

So who else has something else?

And Emily's like, oh, Shane's dad came home from the hospital.

So that was good.

We pulled the lie detector test on him.

Turns out he was lying about being sick in the first place.

Motherfucker, I made him eat eight figs

well he had a severe liver infection but he's doing well and he's coming home today and then he was so happy i gathered the whole family and did a strip tease for him

i will never forget emily's first season of like shane doesn't find me sexually attractive so i'm gonna do a strip tease school for his father in las vegas for the fuck that thing was oh well no because she was gonna do a strip tease for shane but then shane backed out but his parents went instead so she did it for her father-in-law and her mother-in-law

Oh, God.

She should have been gone after that.

Let's be honest.

Whatever.

So Emily's like, I have not seen Shane cry many times in our 16-year relationship, but his dad being ill and dealing with Luke and Luke's needs, it was just way too much at one time for us.

So for his dad to come home, it makes me happy.

It's a win.

You know what would make, know what would be a really good Good News Friday?

The new cast for season 19 of this show, season 20 of the show, and Emily's not in it.

That's Good News Friday.

Yeah, replace her with Perry.

That's what I say.

So Gina's like, okay, I got good news.

Sienna Rose did a character counts award this morning for being the kindest little girl in Acclias.

So that was nice.

She showed up and gave everybody aspirin and a Mediterranean cook bug.

We're really having diminishing returns on this Good News Friday.

I'm not going to lie.

Like, I guess coming home from the hospital, that's good news.

But I think

there.

Just, I just want, we need to work on this good news.

I'm just like, your daughter getting kind of little girl in her class.

That's nice, I guess.

But do you, do you personally have good news in your life, like not your daughter's life?

So, Joe's like, well, my husband and I, Taryn, have officially decided to try and have a baby.

44 and trying.

Here we go.

Oh, great.

So, I guess in about

20 years or so, or 18 years, that baby will be applying and not getting into Yale.

I'm so happy for you.

I'm so excited for you to ask Shannon for contacts to that inferior U.S.

whatever.

University of Spoiled and Also Stupid Children, right, Shannon, right?

Elbow nudge.

Hi, everybody.

I'm Britt.

I'm here too.

So my good news is going to be really good news every day, not just Friday, because Matt's here.

And I could not imagine my life without Matt or his kids in my life or even my life.

And it was just a really scary moment because he almost let me had a heart attack, but he is still here.

He's still here.

And Shana's like, oh, it is just so amazing the relationship that you two have.

Wow.

Wow.

Someone can stand Gina.

That is just incredible.

Do you take any kind of drugs or do you just

use earplugs?

How do you do it?

How do you do it?

You know, I always told David, you know, even though we are parting, I would love to have a good relationship with whoever is new in your life.

So next time you're walking on the beach with some slut, invite her up.

I would love to look at her slutty face and her slutty outfit and see, this is who you left me for?

And then I'd serve her some quinoa.

Well, guys, I've got good news too.

Thank you so much for giving me the time, by the way.

And thank you so much for everybody not eating your croissants in front of me and waiting till you get home.

But,

you know, Tamara and I sat down and we had a conversation and this woman who has been nothing but vile to me now for two years, I've forgiven while not forgiving forgiving Katie, who's done nothing to me.

So can I get a round of applause?

That would be great.

Thank you guys.

Thank you so much.

She's also wearing her own tracks.

It's all good, everyone.

Her own tracks.

Oh, well, now she's wearing a croissant.

Okay, well, you know, baby steps.

Oh, yeah, this hair is just, it's hanging off me, girl.

Do you have any extras, Tamara?

I'll take it.

Isn't that hilarious?

Isn't this so fun?

Well, the question is,

what do we do?

And points to Tamara and Gretchen.

What do we do with you two?

And Gretchen's like, oh, well, I keep asking the girls, should Tamara and I just talk?

Or, like, do you think we need a meditator?

Like, what do we need to do?

I don't need a meditator.

I'm just confused because I asked you, did you ever say that you had to go to the hospital?

And you said, yes.

No, I don't remember seeing that.

And if I did, then I misspoke.

Oh, you misspoke when you said,

but I did have to go to the hospital because I just felt so sick.

Hmm.

But like, you literally said, yeah, I mean,

oh, I misspoke.

While we're excoriating liars, can we kick her out?

Kick her out.

Oh, I just misspoke.

I just misspoke.

Which, by the way, also, to be fair, lesson to Katie, next time just say you misspoke.

It's the oldest trick in the book.

Oh, well, I misspoke.

Yeah.

Just do it.

That's like fake accountability.

Yeah.

You're technically taking accountability, but you're actually.

I didn't leave the show.

I'm just spending some time with my family.

But I'll be back.

So

Gretchen's, so Tamara's like, yeah, you know, what the hell?

You said yes.

Okay.

She didn't misspoke, misspeak, whatever you said.

So English is stupid.

Okay, I don't even know.

You told me in New Orleans you went to the hospital.

So which one is it?

And Gretchen's like, no, that's not what happened.

I did not go to the hospital.

I remember saying that I was so sick that night that I probably should have gone to the hospital, but that was the extent of it.

And then we see a flashback of her, you know, lying.

And so then Tamara is like, well,

Katie said Slade and Matt called Matt.

Wait, Katie said Slade called Matt and said, we can't talk about this.

What about that?

What about that?

I'm going to start nodding my head very quickly.

What about that?

What about it?

And

Gretchen's like, that's not true.

Like, that's not what happened.

Okay, you can call Slade.

And Tamra's like, so she's lying about that too.

No, well, she's been lying about a lot of things, Tamara.

And like, it's literally crazy that you think that.

Yeah.

so you're you're lying

you're fucking liar

so then um

they go is this where they go talk by themselves yeah so they go to talk alone and everybody's watching them and Jen's like oh my god she looks so fiery why does she bring Joe is she really good friends with Joe I don't really get it and Gina's like well but that's not the spirit of good news riding well y'all well maybe if Tamara maybe Tamara doesn't have any other friends I mean it's Tamara

So Tamara's like, you know what, Gretchen?

I don't understand why my name keeps getting brought up.

She's like, out of all people you could bring, like, why do you bring Joe?

Does it bother you that she's here?

I mean, it's more about like what your intent is.

No, I'm sorry.

I think I brought it here to go ask you.

It's intent.

Intent.

Intent.

Your intent?

You think I'm going to hit a go after you?

What?

Well,

I just think that maybe not bringing the person who is maybe a slate's ex is the best thing because we've had issues, you know, with slate exes.

And she goes, oh, I didn't even make all that cheap with it.

I mean, it's just so.

You know, some girl, you say slate or whatever.

I just thought maybe I

bring her.

I had nothing to do with that.

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Then we go back to the table.

And how there's like, you know, I have such a weird place in all of this because when I joined the group, they were friends.

We hung out.

I was much wealthier than they were back then.

And now, flash forward to now, now they're not getting along.

I'm still wealthier than them, but now I've got a daughter going to Yale, and it's just a weird place for me to be in right now.

Yeah.

So

Gina's like, oh my God, Gretchen was at Tamara's wedding.

Was she a bridesmaid?

As if they didn't watch every episode of this show before they came on.

And Heather's like, no, but I was a bridesmaid.

It was interesting.

I still smell Vienna sausages being passed around.

Is that a weird memory?

Timra, let me ask you this.

Do you feel any remorse for anything when you said that I was cheating on Gif?

And then we see flashbacks of Tamra with her like gumdrop hairstyle back then, where it was like hair that would like have a plateau.

Gumdrop airstyle.

Wait, what did you say?

I didn't mean to cut you off.

I thought it was.

No, because her hair was like, it was like flat on top and then it would like cascade down and go like a little wider.

It was like she had like a blonde hair gumdrop on her head.

It was that look for a while in Orange County.

It started like season one and lasted through season like 14.

I saw you sitting on the guy's lap at the St.

Beaches.

But does that mean I'm having an affair on Jeff?

Well, you kissed him, and Jeff is in the hospital.

So

Timra.

Timor, when you call Slade a deadbeat ned.

And then we see the deadbeat dad thing.

I'm sorry, Gretchen, but Slade was a deadbeat dad.

Okay, so I pulled this up from the ever-so-trustworthy People magazine

which i think that's pretty trustworthy in this in this in this world right

um let's see here where is it

the mom basically the mom is saying that there was in terms of child support smiley owes a hundred and fifty two thousand six hundred and fifty five dollars and twenty seven cents according to a court order obtained by people at the time.

So

what does that mean?

If he owed 152 grand according to court orders and he didn't pay it, wouldn't that make him a deadbeat dad?

I'm extremely confused about how

we're defining this now.

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Sliding Gretchen can keep the money that rightfully belonged to my child, but they cannot shamefully capitalize on his sweet memory as I will no longer permit it.

And in death, I will be his voice.

She said, enough is enough.

So I don't know.

If you don't want that shit being spread around, then talk to that lady.

And the court or the court papers says that Slade owed that much money.

Literally don't care.

And I think at this point, it's such old news.

And the fact that Gretchen's bringing it up is so stupid.

So Gretchen is like, she's like, you literally started saying these things from, like, from the very get-go, making accusations that like weren't even true.

And she's like, yeah, but there were articles about him, not paying child support.

So I mentioned it.

Like, now there's no articles articles about him.

Like, why do you guys keep talking about Slade and the child support?

Like, it's been years.

Like, we all know.

Slade Smiley has faced multiple court orders for child support with his ex-partner, Michelle, claiming he owed blah, blah, blah.

Reports.

Yeah.

So, I mean, I don't know.

What we do know.

Here's what we do know is that

what we do know is that at the heart of all this bullshit, every single one of the thing, everything is Slade.

It's always because then Tamara's like, well, you guys have to remember that 13 years ago, Slade was on stage calling me fat.

And And then we see him doing his stand-up where he's like, you know, if B.F.

Goodrich issued a press release said that Tamara Barney is replacing the Michelin man as their mascot.

Okay, okay.

Yeah.

And then, uh, God, he was just hilarious, wasn't he?

And, uh, Brett was like, yeah, this is a problem because we go back and forth.

Okay, so let me start with this.

But you don't even let me talk, Bretton.

Okay, then, but let me start with this.

But I can't talk about it.

Well, let me start with this.

Matt, what, what, what, I can't talk.

But I'm just saying, let me start because I'm sorry for reaching out to your daughter.

It's like, oh, okay, you can stop there.

You can start.

You can start.

I'm sorry.

I did that because I know that it hurt you.

And that was not my intent at the time.

And so then over at the table, Shannon's like, well, I hope that Gretchen can get to the point where I am, which is I just have total indifference to Tamara.

Like, I am so indifferent.

Like, when I see Tamara, do I get angry?

Nope.

Do I yell at her?

Nope.

Do I want to throw little cubes of cheese at her forehead?

Nope.

Because I want to have those for myself.

I am totally indifferent.

Shannon, indifferent fedor.

That's what I'm known for, being indifferent and not emotional.

Yeah, but I feel like you go back and forth because in New Orleans, you're friendly and you go to a bar, but then in my house, you're indifferent.

What is it, Shannon?

But it must be difficult for you to talk the line of having fun with someone you've history with.

And it's like, wait a minute, I got to be smart and protect myself.

I get that.

I'm a person of the people.

It's easy easy for me, television's Heather to Pro.

So then back to the other two, Gretchen's like, Well, I was hoping that you could come to the table and say, Gretchen, I'm sorry, I got involved.

And she's like, Well, we haven't even gotten there, Gretchen, because you won't let me talk.

So, what about you?

Let me talk about something.

Okay, I'm gonna talk now.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America.

That's not anything to do with what we're talking about.

Let me see if I bought my turn to talk, bitch.

So, um, uh, Tamara's saying that she's like, I did not call him a deadbeat dad, which of course she basically did.

And Gretchen's like, yeah, what you talked about in your podcast is the same as calling him that.

Like that was the intent of it and everything.

She's like, well, fans of all, I can't control what gets put on the podcast.

I have puts together all of our headlines.

I have stitches together all the words that I say.

I can't help it.

I just, they say they had me walk in and they had me do the entire phonetic alphabet and then they just type out the entire podcast.

It's not my fault.

That was so crazy blaming iHeart.

It was literally on your podcast.

What are you talking about?

And so Gretchen's like, well, you could say you don't want to talk about it.

She goes, why would I do that?

I don't like you, Gretchen.

Okay, do you want to move forward or not?

She's like, well, yeah, I want to move forward, but I can't draw the past, Gretchen.

Okay.

I can't obsess with the past.

She's so obsessed with me.

Hi, Joe.

Hi, Joe.

So yeah,

right.

Right.

So,

so Tammer's like, yeah, what's it going to take for you to let things go?

And Gretchen's like, okay, I'm not going to let go like, what you did because I caught like so much pain and it hurt to both like Slade and I in our lives.

Because, like, when you put out that Slade is a deadbeat dad, like, when Slade tries to get work and help us support his family and to help his son, back in the day, people would just like Google it and look it up and be like, Slade is a deadbeat dad.

Like, I actually guarantee what stopped Slade's employment opportunities even more was the stand-up clip that we just showed, that they just showed, and him calling Vicky Miss Piggy, and also just his general behavior on the Real Housewives as being awful, as he's been awful to all of us over the years.

Yeah, he's gross.

He's a gross person.

Because

if you do a search for Slade Smiley, you're going to find a million comments and a million items and a million articles talking about how, ugh, no one likes Slade Smiley.

Everyone's like, oh, get rid of Slade Smiley.

Slade Smiley is gross.

Slade Smiley is disgusting.

That is what's affecting the employment opportunities.

And back in your day, you were saying that you wouldn't marry Slade because he had too much debt and all this other stuff that was going on and he wasn't wasn't working.

So, Slade has never been working since you've known him.

So, why are we pretending that Slade was this like rich guy with a job when that hasn't happened since season two?

So, I don't know.

He also like he basically gave up like corporate life to follow fame, right?

He started trying to be an actor or trying to do stand-up and comedy, and then he's like shocked that he can't just like insert himself right back into like the corporate world.

Or has he even been,

I don't know.

I mean, I may have all my facts jumbled up, but

I can't imagine the deadbeat,

the deadbeat element is the only thing that's preventing him from getting work.

That's what I'm saying.

Yeah.

And also, if anybody looks it up, it wasn't just Tamara saying he was a deadbeat.

It was because he wasn't paying his child support.

There were multiple court orders against him.

So, I mean, it's like that's also searchable, Gretchen.

So, and I can't believe you're making me stand up for Tamara, but like, seriously, my God, you're with Slade, and Slade is the ultimate worst on this show.

Slade even even started all this shit that they're fighting about right now.

You know, Slade has always been a problem, and he's always going to be a problem.

He got you fired the first time, and he's going to get you fired the second time.

So, Gretchen, when Gretchen said that Slade has not been able to get work because of what Tamara said, Tamara goes, Wait, so I stopped him from getting jobs?

Yeah,

I wasn't aware of that.

At that point, Tamara's like, I won.

I did it.

I won this war.

I can forgive now.

I don't, we can, we can put down our swords well if you would have told me that i won this argument years ago and it's arguing it's got stupid okay come on

i'm gonna put my knees up against your knees okay now listen to gretchen we're like sisters right gretchen aren't we good friends gretchen i love you so much gretchen i'm so glad we're friends now gretchen can't wait to break your hair and comb and brush in tell you how much i love you gretchen we best friends now

I don't want to swear.

I said to affect your life in any sort of way.

Gretchen, knees to touch, knees to knees touching.

Okay, we'll love each other now.

And Gretchen's like, but it still is.

And like, we're, we're going to work through all of it then.

And I'm going to, I'm willing to work, move forward.

And basically, they agree that they're going to move forward and they're going to be friends.

And now they're going to hold hands and come back to the table.

Wait a minute.

Hell just froze over.

Pigs are flying.

Pigs in a blanket.

Out of my purse and into my mouth.

Wacky Emily.

Well, well, look at that.

Now I'm going to be the asshole of the group.

I guess I'm going to be the one holding on to a grudge for Tamara.

I'm like, that's exactly right.

You thought that was not a consideration.

Like I've been saying.

Yeah, Shannon, Shannon makes it about her.

But to be fair, she's also making it about her because she knows like ultimately everything that Tamara is doing is part of like a larger war against Shannon.

So Gretchen is just a pawn in that.

Yep.

So she's like, wow, well, if Shannon and Gretchen want, I mean, sorry, if Jen and Gretchen,

if Gretchen and Jen want to resolve multiple years of issues with Tamara in a 10-minute conversation and then skip along the beach like five-year-old sluts, then that's fine.

I've been there and I've done the skipping off too.

I'm not going to do it anymore.

Hold on, let me make my lips into the hoop noise.

Oh, so you made up?

Oh, oh.

Is this step one?

Or are there going to be multiple steps of making up?

Or are you guys just going to say that you're good and put a band-aid over it

and just isolate me in the group and make me look like the bitch and run me off the show because I just want to prepare myself mentally.

Thanks so much.

Thank you.

To Good News Friday, we're taking step one in going to Yale.

The producer's like, Do you think it's gonna last?

No, I don't think it's gonna last.

And I was like, Their relationship is like what my career on this show should have been: two-week shelf life.

That's it.

Um,

so now poor Sophie arrives at the beach.

Her mother has just told everybody that she got dumped.

So of course Emily comes in with the softest hand.

So before you got here, Shannon told us you got dumped by a hottie.

Sorry, stupid.

Want to be like

it?

In the spirit of It Takes a Village, you're here with all your wise elders and the very elders, Shannon.

Anyway, we're going to help you out of it because we're going to tell you all our worst breakup stories and we're going to to start with Gina.

She's like, your mother's got five from just last week alone.

Yeah,

I don't know if Sophie needs the worst breakup stories.

I mean, she's...

She's...

Her mom's Shannon.

Yeah, she's had enough breakup stories.

Geez.

She has perspective.

She just gives the kid the croissants in a box.

I know, right?

So Gina's like, well, I would say my worst breakup story was like my divorce, but like, like it all landed where it was supposed to.

And Terry's like yeah okay Joe what was your worst backup story that's it slate oh sorry and Jay's Joe's like yeah you don't want to know my story and we see the flashback of her and Slate breaking up in therapy

And now there's like, well, I was in middle school once and I had a boyfriend and he broke up with me on a soccer field with his whole posse of guys.

By the way, he's gay now and has never worked in the industry.

It's humiliating, mostly for him.

Yes, I was standing there on the fields of Horace Greeley High School, being dumped by a gay man.

And I thought, how sad for you?

Because I'm going to grow up and be wealthy, sending my child to Yale, and you're just going to be a gay in New York who somehow doesn't make it on Broadway.

How terrible.

I remember I was so obsessed with this wrestler, and he had a Bronco, and I loved his hair so much that I got tracks to look just like his hair.

And I just, I mean, he had a bronco and heather's like i mean the bronco alone what is a bronco

oh terry and i just bought bought one of those train

we we we just actually bought one of those the football team gotta i'm so impressed you dated someone with the football team also

So I went to a house party and I was like, you know, it's a small town, so we're just going to have sex.

Oh, that's what happens when you're, when you're from a small town.

I'm from a small town too.

That's what we do too.

Big townspeople don't have sex like that.

But in small towns, we do.

Wait, so you had sex, you had sex with like a wrestler, Sophie.

Do not listen to this whatsoever.

She's like, Yes, yes.

And then, you know, he had his friend take me home.

And, you know, then I had sex with a friend.

And then I was like, do you think he still likes me?

And then the friend was like, I don't know.

So it was a really great night for both of us.

Sophie, okay, Sophie, you can go home now.

Don't listen to, don't listen to Auntie Jen anymore.

Thanks, Sophie.

I had a boyfriend back in the 80s.

He was so hot and everything.

And he dumped me.

He had a girlfriend stuff.

So I had to get to his hat.

So I went to his house and I got his favorite leather jacket and I stabbed it with a knife.

I kept stabbing it and stabbing it.

I said, fucking fucked up, fucker.

And then I was leaving at the garage and I was standing there with the knife still held above my head.

And he opened the garage and he drove away because he saw me standing there with the knife.

It's that funny.

It was so funny that I kept my hat off on that day for the next 20 years of my life.

So then Jen

Traps.

So Jen's like, you showed him.

And like, so they're all just like laughing.

And Shanna goes, you know, someday, Sophie, you're going to sit at a table and you're going to laugh about your breakup stories with another group of toxic women, too.

Here's to Sophie getting kicked out of a party one day for lying about something.

Everybody, good news Friday.

And then we got the mid-season trailer, which featured zero Katie.

So it looks like she is done and done.

Katie did say that she will be going to the reunion, but I think that's it for Katie for the regular episodes.

She's done.

Yeah, looks like that's a wrap on Katie.

Um, but the rest of the season still looks insane.

So let's see.

Of course, the Gretchen and Tamara truce lasts about five minutes, as we all suspected.

Uh, so I guess we'll see, we'll see where it goes.

You know what?

We'll see.

Everyone, thank you so much for being here, and we will catch you on the next episode.

Bye, everyone.

Bye.

Patch.

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