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Today is the Real Housewives of Orange County,

season 19, episode 14, ho down, throw down.

And I just want to say before we get into it,

Wendy and Eddie getting arrested.

We are aware of it and we talk about it in depth on the Miami recap, which we actually released before this.

So if you're wondering, like, why are they addressing it?

Then my question is, why are you not a Miami fan?

But no, for real, if you are wondering where that is, it's over on our Miami recap.

There's actually a live stream going on right now about it.

The cops really have a live stream, but we're not watching it because we're doing this instead wow we care about you more than we care about wendy damn it wow well

this is gonna be a good scandal this is gonna be a good one that unfolds i think it's gonna get worse as as it unfolds this will be it's not a scandal but it'll sort of have those elements where like

it's it's not gonna it this is not just a open and shut case there's gonna be more to it i believe Well, we'll see.

And hopefully we can have a crossover because here we are talking about the Innocence Project.

so what a day for that to come out huh uh so sweeping drone shot okay here we are real housewives of orange county tamara sitting in a bar at a restaurant called verde which for those of you who aren't like my lings

that means green so yeah

and she's like I think I'm out and need a glass of Chardonnay, even though I made a whole big speech about how I'm not drinking anymore because I become crazy when I drink, Bentham, and how the last time I drank, I went crazy at dinner in New Orleans.

But I'm still going to have a glass of chat, Megles.

And here comes Katie Janella in slow motion.

Katie Janella.

And then we see flashbacks of things that have been happening.

Nobody trusts Tamra, et cetera, et cetera.

So here we go.

Flashback, flashback.

Lots of flashbacks.

Lots of flatbacks.

Tons of flashbacks.

Yeah.

Flashbacks.

Because basically like previously on, right?

So Tamara and Kitty are sitting there.

And Kitty's like, well, either Slade is her mouthpiece or Gretchen is really, really good.

And Tamar's like, yeah, she wants to tell lies about me.

I'll talk shit about you.

I'm done double dipping.

I don't understand the double dipping part, but sure.

It's nothing to do with boutique chips.

Let's go to

Bluebird Mercantile Boutique.

Man, this town has no shortage of shit boutiques to go to.

Nothing about boutiques in this this county.

Nothing but shitty, shitty boutiques that

they're just all lining up waiting to be filmed in.

Yeah.

You know, everyone talks about like, well, you know, because the internet and Amazon and all these things, like the mom and pop stores are closing.

Go to Orange County because they're there.

Bluebird Mercantile Boutique.

It's there.

Before we do that, can we talk about Kitty for a second?

The seating chart for

the reunion came out.

And the day before,

I think it was Andy or just Bravo had teased the seating chart, like, who's going to sit where?

And

I think a lot of people thought that Katie might actually get the first seat.

She actually wound up in the fourth seat.

How do you, do you think that Katie is, what seat do you think Katie should be in for the reunion?

I'm surprised she's not on the end because I would assume that they would only bring her out for part of the reunion, right?

Oh, yeah, yeah.

I'm guessing that that's correct because they're only going to bring her out for part.

She won't be out there the whole reunion, right?

They'll just bring her on.

I don't think so.

I would think that they'd just be like, oh, she was in half the season, so she'll come out, you know, like Alexis.

Wasn't Alexis only on part of the season?

They'll probably give her friend of treatment where they bring her out for a little bit.

I don't know because she was,

but she was a housewife.

I'm trying to remember how they treated Tinsley because Tinsley left midway through her season.

or Kim Zolsiak.

Like, were they, did they, were they there the whole reunion?

So I personally thought Katie was going to be first or second seat.

And it's not because I'm like, yes, team Katie.

It's because I feel like actually a huge part of the season and the discussion and the attention of this season of Orange County has been about Katie.

So I thought based on that, I actually genuinely thought that Katie was going to be higher up.

I mean, I get your, your,

your POV makes sense.

If she's only going to be out for part of it, they wouldn't, they wouldn't have her in the first seat, but I don't know.

I'm like, I have to say, I'm a little surprised.

A little surprised.

Oh, yeah.

I don't think they're going to have her on much because they're just going to have that basic one fight with her.

Like, did you lie to Kiki Monique?

Or did you tell Kiki Monique?

I mean, what seat is Kiki Monique in?

That's a great question as well.

Where is she?

Why is she at this reunion?

Yeah, she needs to be on the other fourth seat.

If it weren't for Kiki, we wouldn't have had this whole, like, because it was, it was the Kiki telling her friend and the friend gossiping to so-and-so.

Like, that's, you know, like, we wouldn't wouldn't have even had this entire massive fallout i'm like i mean katie was definitely on thin ice as it was but like yeah bravo's gonna have to start adding they're gonna have to start adding like a messy blogger box where they just throw all the whoever gets accused that season of of causing crap in the blogosphere or the podcastphere or radiosphere just thrown in there so they can have their say too but just on a chair in the audience yeah yeah we're in the bluebird mercantile boutique okay and gretchen and emily are shopping for cowgirl attire.

And Emily's like, what are you wearing?

Listen, if anybody else asked that question, I would think it's a legit question.

But Emily, you dressed, you dress like a crazy person as well.

I don't know that anybody on Orange County is really in the place to judge fashion.

Yeah, we saw the previews for next week in Amsterdam.

I really don't think you're in any.

place to talk about fashion.

That being said, Gretchen looks crazy.

And Gretchen's like, well, I'm like attracted to anything girly and colorful and a fun vibe.

Gretchen, there's nothing about your fashion that says fun.

There's nothing about your Megan Kelly hair that says great times.

Like the super fun girl, like your trad wife, vintage Stepford wife thing.

Even if you're doing it ironically, it might be ironic.

There's nothing fun about it.

Your fashion kids, I'm calling the police on people I don't recognize in my neighborhood.

Most likely minorities.

Okay.

Yes.

That is the look.

That's the look you've got You're giving very Laura Ingram.

Like the other day, AOC made some comment about all the shit that's going on.

And Laura Ingram was mocking her.

I just saw a clip of it.

I wasn't watching Laura Ingram.

Don't worry.

But she's like, oh my God, what are we listening to a person in a hoodie?

I mean, yeah, that's real professional.

I'm just going to sit around here in my hoodie.

I mean, what is she in a hoodie?

I was like, call the police, Laura.

That's like, that's a reason for you to fucking call the police.

God for police right there.

Yeah.

So Gretchen, I think, is giving that vibe.

Like, what are we in a hoodie?

What are we in a hoodie?

So Emily's saying it somehow fun.

Emily's like, she looks like she just got out of a covered wagon on the Oregon Trail.

So Emily's like, well, I no longer practice law.

However, I will definitely say that I'm a lawyer when it comes to prosecuting people like Katie.

But the Innocence Center allows me to be involved in law in a humanitarian way.

So I'm doing a fundraiser to pay for Anthony, a recent exonerie, to go to mechanic school.

Also, he's kind of hot.

So we, we, he is kind of hot.

He's pretty hot.

Actually, yeah, he is kind of hot.

We don't, we only help hot people here.

I think

it's important for him to follow his dream and make something of himself.

Um, you know, I also stand for lie detectors.

Just wanted to get that out there.

So Gretson's like, I stand for guilty.

I stand for guilty until proven innocent when it comes to this friend group, but when it comes to incarceration, innocence first.

How was the event last night?

And we see Tamara's little cake party thing.

It was a shit show.

Okay, remember when we played that game in LA where we asked a question, who we trust the least?

Yeah, the game that you started and that you came up with and that you made everyone answer.

And now we're trying to make drama out of it.

Yeah, Emily, I remember.

And Grusha gets, oh, Lordy.

So now we cut to Las Brisas.

Didn't we eat there once, Ronnie?

Or am I

in Laguna Beach?

Las Brisas.

So where we had

the buffet?

No, that was like the Pelican, something or another.

Okay, well, never mind.

Really uninteresting question on my end.

So Tamara and Gina sit at a table.

Gina's like, how are you?

And Tamara's like, I'm so sick of this shit, Gina.

Tamara is in the full tortured, tortured victim

state of mind.

This is awesome society.

She really is.

She's like, I'm coming to such a hard, goddamn, difficult time in my life.

One of my best friends has cancer, and then Sophia's off to college.

And it just seems like nobody cares.

Sophia's learning song structure, and I'm all alone in the world.

God, isn't that the worst when someone's going through the hardest time of their life and no one cares?

Hey, can we watch last season again?

God, I loved last season and how Tamara was so supportive of Shannon at her low point.

Jeez.

And I love that she compares a friend having cancer and her daughter going to music school.

I know.

Come on, Tamara.

An hour away.

So

Gina's like, well, last night when you were vocalizing your feelings in your kitchen and we cut to the vocalizing.

She's like, God damn it.

I quit this show.

I hate all these stupid packages, basically.

Yeah.

It literally flashed me back to Vicki's engagement party.

Remember that?

Want to show that clip also editors?

And this was when Tamara was hiding in the bushes, fake sobbing, going like,

I can't even come here this mission to get it bitch yeah and it hit me that like the last time you were having like um a very incredibly like heavily stressful year like I have to have compassion for you because I see that and Gretchen was like like wildly inappropriate with the things she said in LA but you know like you're just so reactive to her

but when is enough enough when is it enough why when when do people say no stop buddy and camera the sweetest most innocent person in this group yeah but you could be mad at shannon and jen and gretchen but like emily like she loves y'all and when you're wrong heather has your back so like you like even like even when you're wrong like you gotta be nice to like the people that i like but just yell at the other people But for you to say that you can't trust me, I'm extremely hurt.

Like, how could Heather say she doesn't trust me after I just happened to take a comment that she made at BravoCon Wands and twist it into a whole thing and make the entire cast hit her for a whole season?

Why would she not trust me

then we cut back to gretchen and gretchen's like every time tamara's called out about something she runs off and says she's not gonna do this and she's not gonna do that yeah i think she only left the room like five times last night

and then we did see tamara trying to quit her own party but since it was in her house you had to keep coming downstairs i quit i quit i'm going upstairs Well, I'm downstairs again, but guess what?

I quit again.

I'm going back upstairs.

This is the last time you ever see me film get a close-up on my face because you're never gonna see it again head just came down to get some milk hot eyes we're filming again i'm never filming again after i get this glass of milk bitch

kitty on arrested development take a good look at the last time you'll see these

i'm done i'm done with it

so i was cracking up

Emily's like, yeah, just because I was honest with her, and even Heather agreed with me.

It wasn't just me.

No one trusts her.

So now here comes Heather, speaking of which, hello, television's Heather DeBrux has decided to join you at Las Brisas.

So like, oh, you look beautiful.

But then like Tamara doesn't say hi or anything.

So Heather's like, okay, all right.

Let me, let's, let's talk about this a little bit more, okay?

Like, I understand.

Okay, I love you, Tamara.

I, you are my friend.

It's like, well, you admit that you're scared of me.

You admit that you don't trust me.

So why would you ever want to be friends with me?

Just some lonely, scary, untrustworthy person in the corner.

My turn, my turn.

Okay, I explained it last night, and I'll explain it again.

Here we go.

Can I please get some shamps over here?

I've got to explain things to my friend.

You don't need to be condescending.

Still me.

Still me.

I'm not being condescending.

And if you had any sort of education, you would realize that.

But I explained it.

Yeah, but you said that in front of Gretchen.

And Gretchen claps on tennis information.

It makes it worse.

It makes it worse.

Well, I'm sorry if that hurt you and your small three-celled brain.

But if you think I'm brushing over things that she does, I am not.

I'm encouraging them.

I even told her she's using Slade very conveniently to do her dirty work, much like how I use Alfredo to take out the garbage, which is also true dirty work.

I think you too should just trust each other.

Most like the answer.

Everybody needs to just trust each other.

I appreciate you apologizing.

I just have to work through it.

This is the last time you'll ever see me order Timothy Star Talking, bitches.

Oh, back to Mercato.

Well, apparently Tamara reached out to Katie to talk, and it has to do with you, Gretchen.

Because all of a sudden, Katie, a known pathological liar, has credibility.

That's ridiculous.

Why even hear her through?

Why even hear Katie's full side of the story without yelling at her?

Anyway, Innocence Project Party later tonight.

Yeah, Tamron, like all of a sudden, you're going to believe Katie because it fits your narrative.

Yeah, well, I told her, if you meet with her, we're going to have a real fucking problem.

I said that to her, and that's why she's pissed at me.

And then this morning when I was mowing her lawn, I said, don't forget.

And then I was filling up her car with gas.

I was like, do not meet with Katie.

I like Gretchen thinking that she really had like this smart observation about how like Tamara's going to believe, is going to believe Katie because it fits her narrative now.

It's like, yeah,

that's what people do.

When something fits their narrative, they're going to believe the things that support their view on life.

Like

it's wrong, but like, yeah, Gretchen.

Right, which is why you were befriending Katie when Katie was fitting your narrative of coming for Tamara and everybody else.

And then you dumped her the second that she wasn't towing the party line anymore.

Gretchen.

Gretchen, really, Gretchen has really botched her return.

I mean, we said it before, but like, I feel like we were all on Gretchen's side at the beginning of the season.

And now Gretchen is the villain.

And somehow, like, I'm on Tamara's side.

Like, this is so warped.

I don't get it.

So she's like, Emily's like, yeah, that's why she's pissed at me because I told her.

And Gretchen jokes, like, see, you're the problem.

You're the shitster.

She was like making a lighthearted joke at Emily.

And Emily's like, um that is not fair i'm not talking crap about people she goes yeah but like even like slate said that rumor about tamara but i said you know like i'm not even sure i believe that wait you brought up something defamatory emily can't help it like she's just gonna fight with everybody like that you're supposed to be she's right here She is right, but it's like, oh my God,

you can't fight the whole world.

Also, you're starting all of this stuff, Emily, by taking it back to everybody and then getting mad when shit hits the fan.

And also, like, notice the grace that Emily gives Gretchen over and over again when Gretchen is either lying or being slippery with the truth or like, well, well, make coming up with workarounds.

And yet with Katie, it's like, she has to be kicked out of the group.

Like, to me, this is a double standard.

And I think it's a problematic double standard.

So Gretchen is like, no, nothing's defamatory here.

Let me show you something.

What?

Are you going to pull up a podcast or an article?

This is what you and Tara both do.

You get out your phones, you pull out a podcast, you pull out an article and if it were katie doing it i'd have you kicked off the show but since it's you go ahead

you need to take accountability for what for participating and encouraging it i wasn't encouraging anything uh-huh you were saying play the song yo the song no you were saying you wanted to hear the sex thing too that's why you called slate emily this is all on camera ma'am

I don't, but honestly, I don't even think Emily is at fault for saying that because Gretchen drops this bomb Like, she's got tea.

Yeah, like Tamara was having a fair.

She's sing the song.

She's having a fair.

And then she da-da-da-da.

And, like, so, like, yeah, let's hear it.

You know, I mean, here's the thing.

Heather was the only one who was like, I don't care about this kind of stuff.

Yeah, but I can't pick sides because they're just all so terrible.

Like, yes, Gretchen brought it up on camera.

Emily was telling her we want to hear it, but also, you're right, Gretchen brought it up on camera.

So they're going to have to talk about it.

Gretchen.

I don't know if they wanted to hear the situation.

Yeah.

Wasn't it, but wasn't it Slade who said, Slade was the one who said that the mic was still on when they were having sex, right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I don't remember the exact sequence of the thing.

Um, that she fucked Nelson

and then they called Slade and Slade said that the recording kept going or something and they heard them right boning and on the ground or whatever.

I don't remember the specific sequence of like, like, play the song to find or whatever.

But what we do know is that Emily and Heather were both like, you got to play that song in the beginning before Slade came on.

You got to play that song of like, of Tamara trying to sing.

And I think that's honestly, that is totally a reasonable thing.

Like if there's some recording of Tamara trying to sing that's out there and Gretchen is like, yeah, we have this recording, then I don't think Emily should be like accused of like egging on trying to defame Tamra.

Like, no, you dropped the T and you said it happened while she's having an affair.

And Emily's like, okay, like, tell me more.

That's on you, Gretchen.

Emily can get some call.

You can give, you can give some percentage to Emily, but like the lion's share is on Gretchen.

Yeah, even if you pawned it off on Slade for doing it, for saying it, you called Slade knowing that he was going to say it.

I mean, you know, Slade.

You know, if you bring up the subject, what he's going to say.

But Emily does also completely laugh and love it and then goes and tattletales like the next.

I mean, they're both.

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So then we go to Jen's house and

Shannon's house.

Well, Shannon is cleaning.

Oh, no, Shannon is coming to Jen's house.

So Archie decides to take a big number two everywhere.

Number two over and over again.

It's like two squared, lots of poos.

And so Shannon's like, Archie, oh my God, I need another plastic bag.

This is absolutely ridiculous, Archie.

This is what?

Wacky Shannon, wacky archie is being is gonna try to outshine wacky shannon this is crazy

i just literally love shannon she's just so funny and she doesn't have to say anything i can just look at her as she walks into her room and think oh my god how come her glasses only have one lens

she's she's just so thank you shannon thank you so much for coming over shannon i love you i love you I love you so much.

Thank you so much.

So

there is an animal psychic who has arrived, Kaow,

and

she is going to help them commune with all their furry friends because there are a lot in Jen's household, plus Archie.

Yeah, so they're going to ask these dogs questions, I guess, or ask questions about the dogs.

And this fucking fraud is going to take their money.

So Jen's like, I run a small farm, basically.

So if you pick up on a vibe, just go for it.

Please tell Willow to eat less.

That would be great.

So then

they they gather all the animals in one room, which is impressive.

And I have to say, the breakout star for me was Crew, Jen's dog.

I feel like we have not spent any time with Crew.

And like, I literally love Crew.

And Crew was so funny to me.

I took a screenshot.

And for people, the crap is on demand.

Hopefully, we'll be able to see this.

The way that Crew sat on that sofa and looked at the psychic, like, I am ready.

Like, very patiently, like, I, I know you can't be waiting for this.

Like, this was the funniest image.

I

like, and

just like Crew is just like there, like, and like really close to the psychic, like, knows the psychic wants to talk to her.

And like, they're having that conversation.

He's looking right into her eyes, like, hi, I'm sitting here.

I'm ready to go.

I've been waiting for this all day.

Please don't be another fucking, you know, criminal.

Just tell me what I need to hear.

Kiki Monique told me that Gretchen has been saying that

she was drugged.

Did you hear this, KO?

So Jen's like, well, my fiancé and I have recently combined families.

And so when we got crew, she was truly the missing piece that brought us all together as one family.

And Kao's like, oh, wow.

Wow.

Great.

But Willow is the spoiled one.

And Kao's like, does she want a stroller?

Does she want a stroller?

And she's like, oh my God.

Does she want a stroller?

She's too chubby for a stroller.

Yeah, if this dog psychic was real, Willow would say, tell this bitch to stop fat shaming me

like she is the one who's feeding me and then fat shaming me what the hell get me out of this house well i i would like to have a moment with the with the dog psychic therapist okay um kow uh this is archie and he doesn't bark uh we actually talk we have full conversations with each other probably more communication with him than i've had in certain romantic relationships burn

anyway i have i have so many questions so um uh here we go That's really sad, actually.

What do you mean it's sad?

Archie said it's sad?

Oh, no.

I'm sorry.

That was me who said that.

Okay, let's get to Archie questions.

Does he get annoyed when we kiss and cuddle him?

Does he like going to the park or going running?

Does he like a walk on the leash?

I don't know.

I just, I need these men to communicate with me.

Do you move a lot?

Because he keeps thinking, move, move, move, and that you have these long, drawn-out goodbyes.

He'd really just appreciate you just letting him go sometimes he's like he doesn't like the long drawn out goodbye he doesn't like when i say goodbye to him for 15 minutes he doesn't like that

i think he senses that you're worried when you leave well i i i am worried i mean what if what if i'm gone and archie's looking out the window and sees some blonde slut on the beach and decides to follow her down and become her her dog i mean what the hell archie archie don't do this to me that is it i am leaving

uh shannon just hit the house next door Shannon, come back.

The dog pack is not done yet.

I have another question for Archie.

Can you ask Archie if it's totally necessary that we take walks at one in the morning in Newport Beach?

I really resent that I had to do that for him.

So she decides, she kind of leads Cal.

By the way, Cal's not even really trying that hard to scam these people because Shannon just keeps giving her everything.

She's like, well, Archie, you know, has some insecurities, I think, because of when I left him at school too young.

He was probably too young to be left at school.

Now he keeps biting other dogs.

So I think that you may have left Archie at school too young.

Exactly, KO.

God, you are so good at this.

Yeah,

KO really does not have to work hard for her grift.

But basically, Shannon is,

she clearly wants to get another dog and she's just looking for validation that it's an okay thing to do.

So

KO is like, yeah, I get another dog.

More clients for me.

I'm all for it.

Yeah.

So now we go to Katie Janella coming to meet Tamara at Veddam.

Katie Janella, fancy meeting you here.

Well, I got to tell you, as I've taken a step back from the situation, what makes me sad the most, it's about Jen.

Oh, yeah, the way she betrayed you?

No, just her choices in life, that she's with Ryan.

She's okay with paint splatter on denim.

It just makes me so sad.

I mean, I was just so hurt.

She called me once or twice, but I didn't even pick up.

I've just been super emotional over all of it.

Oh, yeah, well, I've been the odd man out so many times.

And I'm the odd man right now.

I'm the odd man right now.

Do you feel bad for me after I helped everybody kick you out of this group?

Me.

Yeah, well, you know what?

You were fine being part of the group when they were kicking somebody out a couple of weeks ago, ma'am.

Yeah, it's not been that long.

Well, you know, I do feel bad about what I did.

And I did not mean to hurt you, Tamara.

And I tried to apologize with Shannon, and Tamara's like, I don't think Katie is some sociopathic liar.

She apologizes being honest.

So I'm going to take that for what it is.

Someone I could use against Gretchen.

So I'm going to use her for the batting ram that she is, best.

So

when Katie says, I feel bad about what I did, I did not mean to hurt you.

Is that her confessing to telling

Kiki?

I think that's her yeah i think she's saying

yeah i think

kiki monique that gretchen said that she was drugged or whatever well katie said as much she said it earlier in the season like i told kiki

because gretchen said

no i don't remember no she remember what she said she still was maintaining that she didn't tell kiki monique that kiki monique must have heard it from sheena or whoever

I don't remember.

But sort of as a confession, but it's also kind of like,

I I wasn't trying to be mad.

Maybe she's saying like, I wasn't trying to be messy.

Who knows?

Who knows?

That's so convoluted at this point.

Yeah.

I'm just trying to get it straight.

Slade called Matt and said, don't talk about this.

And she's like, yeah, Gretchen lied and said you drugged her.

Then Slade said, tell Katie to stick to the story.

Tell her not to waver.

That's the nail on her coffin.

Also, Tamara had sex with Nelson.

What?

His exact words were, tell her to stick to the story because it's a legal issue.

And I thought, oh my God, am I going to get in trouble legally?

And I thought, if it's a legal issue, I don't want to talk about it.

So I was like, oh, shit, I was being lied to again by Slade.

He is the eye of the storm for sure.

So Katie is like,

so I text her.

Sorry, I did my timer impersonation for a moment.

Inappropriate for this conversation.

I texted her and I literally tell her, I won't share that.

Like, why would I say that?

When she said that, like, she's a liar.

See, now I can show, I can show receipts because in the beginning of the season, Katie was like, oh, yeah, those Instagram messages, I just don't have reception right now.

I don't show you anything.

Yeah.

He was trying to shut you down, then.

Yes, and I'm trying to cover for my friend, quote unquote, when she was really using me to cover her lies.

Oh, yeah.

He does all the dirty work and the talking.

And then she's like, eh, that's either.

Don't say that.

I can do it.

It's like, yes.

So

she says that Slade was constantly calling Matt.

And then once he was done with him, it was utter silence.

Ugh, a dream.

No more Slade.

No smiley calling up.

First time I've ever heard anybody complain that Slade is not calling them enough.

Well, finally, Matt is like, I just want to talk to him, man to man.

Slade's that man.

Man to child.

Man's douchebag.

Sure.

That's pretty good.

Everything they say,

they're doing it to me.

That's what's happening here.

I'm rubbering your glue.

You would say something bad, and

you're ugly.

And

spill that poo-boo.

That's it.

This is kind of argument.

So then we see, now we see a sequence of Gina and Jen in their homes going through clothing and organizing things.

I have to say, I'm going to say this.

You know, it's one of those random days where I say something nice about Gina.

To her credit, her home decor has really come up since when we first met her.

Like, she had like a nice little kind of beige on beige living room.

It wasn't anything mind-blowing, but it was definitely a step up from all the Marshalls tchotchkis she used to gather in her youth.

So I'm going to give her credit.

That was my takeaway from that little scene with her in the living room.

Oh, that's nice.

Yeah.

It's,

I just kind of avoid looking when it comes to a Gina home scene.

It's like when you're passing something really sad, like under the freeway, and you're like, nothing's happening.

Everything's fine.

You know, and you just keep driving.

That's how I feel.

All right.

Let's go to Junior Cookies, which is also what I call child chefs.

We are here to talk about the Trevor Project.

Everyone, it's a Trevor Project scene.

So Heather is

doing like a cookie fundraiser and it's for the Trevor Project.

And it's all very, very good.

And she was been active with this.

charity for 10 years, which we love.

And she was, it was her kids that kind of like connected the dots for her, etc.

And uh, she is

really anti-bullying.

So, one of the Trevor Project people is like, Are you gonna allow me to have one of the cookies you brought?

She's like, Oh, would I stop you from having a cookie?

No, but I would tell you, you probably shouldn't, you'll get bullied.

We're here to stop bullying.

So, she, she, uh, she tells a very scary scary stat, which is that every 45 seconds, an LGBTQ plus youth tries to commit suicide, which is terrible, terrible.

And so I'm really glad this organization is here to help.

And it was a short scene, but it was a nice scene.

And I think it was an important scene.

So now we go to Emily's house where she's going to be talking more about the Innocence Project.

So she has the director of the Innocence Project there,

and she's talking about how she's talking about the importance of the organization.

and she has two exoneries who are there who now tell their stories yeah so she's like before we even start one of you stole the sandwich one of you stole a turkey sandwich wait a minute that was me it's in my purse oh sorry too soon

steven tell us tell us your story So he talks about how he was convicted of a shooting in Los Angeles and he was in Rancho Cucamonga.

So that he didn't do that shit.

He was in Rancho Cucamonga.

And I just loved the specificity of Rancho Cucumonga.

Because then the next guy was like, yeah, I was also accused of shooting someone and I wasn't in town either.

And I was like, were you in Rancho Cucumonga too?

And what is going on in Rancho Cucumonga?

Because I only hear it on like radio ads, but I've never been out there.

Well, when you drive to Vegas, if you take the 10 to the 15, when you go, when you get onto the 15 and start heading north, you are in Rancho Cucumonga.

I think I stopped there once to go to a

Fud Ruckers.

Is that a Rancho Cucamonga?

Fudruckers.

Hell yeah.

Delicious.

It's just such a silly name for a place.

It is

that when someone's telling a very serious story, they're like, I couldn't have done it.

I was in Rancho Cucamonga.

I'm like, okay, come on.

You're making it.

I know.

I feel like Rancho Cucumanga wants to have like the romantic rhythm of a San Juan Capistrano.

You're like, ooh, San Juan Capistrano.

Yeah, that is like classic.

Sounds like a romantic

dynamic thing.

Yeah, it is.

You know, it's like,

which is, by the way, San Juan Capistrano is a place in Orange County.

But like, it's like, ooh, from the sandy shores of San Juan Capistrano, Capistrano, to Rancho Cucamongo.

It's like,

just doesn't have that same.

Yeah, it's hard to, it's hard to get into a serious story when they say Rancho Cucamonga.

It's just a funny word.

So she basically, they talk about being fairly imprisoned forever.

And this is really fucked up because then they're like, oh, okay, well, sorry you were in jail for 20 years.

We were wrong.

Okay, enjoy your life.

And they don't give them anything.

Yeah.

They're just like, okay, well, good luck.

Okay.

We're giving your old shoes back.

Okay.

Good luck with that.

Emily recites some stat, maybe it was later in the episode that like 46%

of people in jail have been accused of crimes they didn't commit.

Like that is

wild.

Lots, lots of scary stats on this show.

Yeah.

So now we go to Jen's house,

where Ryan is planning on wearing some jorts to the Innocence Project

fundraiser tonight.

So, I mean, you know, I love we're talking about these people who were like lost 14 to 20 years of their lives in jail for something that they didn't do.

And it's like, and now I'm going to put on jorts,

jorts to save them.

What we're celebrating innocence while also committing fashion crimes.

It's just so Ryan, you know, it's it's like the privilege, the privilege.

So then Shanna's getting ready and she's on the phone with Aunt Adeline and she's like, oh, I think I'm going to wear this, this jacket full of jewels.

What do you think of that?

She's like, mom, it's a lot.

No one's ever, ever going to have sex with you.

Wow, that is kind of rude, Adeline.

Are you in a rave?

Yeah.

Adeline's just doing a line off of a go-go boy's ass.

I'll tell you what's not a rave.

My thoughts on that jacket.

Headline.

That was cruel.

So Gretchen and

Slade getting dressed like cowboys.

You know, I haven't talked to Tamara since things went off at the tactical date, so I'm wondering if Eddie's going to be there.

And he's like, well, from the guy's perspective, the problem is with Eddie, we don't respect Eddie because he allows Tamara to say and do whatever she wants.

And men, it's men's responsibility to, like, you know, control what their wife does.

Hey, put a luck on your wife's mouth, man.

Come on.

What are you allowing your wife to speak?

Shut the fuck up, Slade.

Man who hasn't worked a fucking day in his marriage, talking about what you would allow a woman to do.

Are you fucking kidding me?

Get a job, sir.

You fucking deadbeat.

So Slade's issue is that Eddie does not put a muzzle on Tamara.

That's his issue.

Okay.

I, I, and Levy.

Yeah.

It's so shit.

That's so shitty.

Like, he doesn't, he doesn't, he allows Tamara to.

No, it doesn't work that way.

People are free thinkers and you say what you want to say.

I think Eddie, actually, I'm never going to defend Eddie, but in this case, I think Eddie's just exhausted.

Look at the guy.

He looks, he looks 25 years older than he is.

He's had to deal with Tamara for so many years.

You're like...

Poor man is carrying the weight of those teeth around.

Just leave him alone.

Do you think that's easy?

Teeth and corny motorcycle jackets.

Okay.

Like leave the, I'm not going to say leave the poor guy alone, but seriously, Slade, I think he's got.

Slade's a pig.

And you know,

they keep Slade at kind of a minimum on this show, which thank God.

But it's like they brought back Gretchen, but it's like, okay, but we're only going to show a little tiny bit of Slade this time.

But even in the tiny bit they show him, he's just a fucking pig every time he's on screen.

Every single time.

And look at the way he ruins Gretchen all over again.

Just to circle back to what I said before, like Gretchen started off the season really well.

She had like really all the moral high ground coming into it.

she was coming in.

She was taking Tamra down a peg.

We were rooting for Gretchen.

It was great.

And the moment that Slade starts hatching a scheme about don't say this, hold the line, blah, blah, blah, blah, Gretchen's stock tanks.

And now she's like, you know, Gretchen's always sucks.

Whatever.

Gretchen has forever sucked terribly.

And she's, I don't, she, it shows how fake she is when every time she's around Slade, she turns into this completely different person.

He's like, run, bitch.

We're in front of the the other lady.

She's like, I just don't understand why Tamara's just so upset.

I just don't understand why I can't make up with Tamara.

And then the second slays around, she's just screaming trash.

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So now we're back at Emily's event and people are showing up.

Elizabeth Farkas is there.

Unbelievable.

Undeniable.

Time for the Innocent Project.

So let's see.

Oh, guess who else is here?

Grutchers.

Oh, God.

Well, she's not here yet, but it's going to be terrible having Grutchers and Tamara in the same room.

Do you remember I got pissed at Tamara sitting down with Katie?

Well, she fucking met with her.

That's what happened.

I'm gonna have something to say about it.

So Emily

tells everyone about,

she's talking about the, well, she tells us about like the stats that I recited before about

people who are incarcerated.

And then more and more people are arriving.

And

we are, we actually also see that like,

that like

Tamara and Emily had like a meeting.

They, they, like, sat down, uh, after the cake party to discuss like their fight.

And then, and Emily's like, you have to understand that, like, I just don't know if things go down with us.

Like, if you're just gonna, like, dig up stuff on me.

That's what I'm thinking.

And Tamara's like, you can always trust me.

By the way, I met with Katie, you're ashamed.

See, there you are.

Like, you just said you were upset with me for not trusting you, and now you're proving my point.

So, Jenna's asking Tamara how the meeting with Katie went.

She's like, it went well.

I feel validated.

And she told me some things, but I don't feel comfortable telling you because you're friends with them.

Do you want to go tell them everything I said?

She's like, mm-hmm.

So, no, okay, I'll just tell them this stuff then.

Okay.

Thanks.

But I like that Tamara calls it.

And then she immediately goes

running right over to Tattletale.

So, why would Tamara suddenly think that Katie is credible as a producer?

And she's like, well, the more time that went on, I was like, wow, she was set up by Jenny and Gretchen because they were mean to me.

And now that they've shown to Katie that they're not on her side, Katie's not sticking up for him anymore.

So she's telling me what's really happening.

So Tamara's just going around being like, I just don't want to be face-to-face with Gretchen and Slade.

I don't.

And Eddie's like, I don't either.

So, you know, he's just, he's so charismatic that Eddie.

And then, so, guess what?

Gretchen and Slade arrive, and she's, they look kind of crazy, and um, they're all mixing and mingling and so Emily's like guess what Tamra met with Katie oh really so she went from this girl is dead to me to I'm gonna be friends with her because she's gonna get me intel on Gretchen yep she is just she is so obsessed with you Gretchen she is obsessed with you oh my god Archie just pooped over there excuse me

by the way this is this is why Gretchen will never excel with these feuds because you've got to keep like you've got to keep your wild cards in line because the moment that you kick them to the curb, Tamara's going to go pick it up and use it for herself.

It's like a loaded gun.

It's like those movies where there's two people fighting over a gun and someone drops the gun, the other person's going to get it and turn around and they're the one in the power.

You let Katie go.

Katie was your ally and you should have just, you didn't handle it right.

You got to keep your allies on your side when you're going up against Tamara.

Well, I mean, she was her ally, except for the the whole telling Tamara that Gretchen accused her of date rape, drugging her.

But I'm saying she should have been like,

you know what?

Like, I didn't like that you said that.

I understand that, you know, maybe it was a slip-up or whatever, but

like, you know what,

I love you.

Like, let's not make this be the end of her.

But like, she basically, by kicking her to the curb, you got to know that Tamara eventually is going to

take it, what, take what she can get.

Yeah.

So, Anthony talks about

being unfairly incarcerated and not being educated in prison.

So he's excited to go learn mechanic stuff.

And so they raise 15 grand, and then there's some line dancing.

And Shannon is

typical.

What?

Just typical.

One foot in front.

I'm going to put this in the Trace Amiga show.

What?

It is crazy.

Oh, I can't do it

uh so then emily uh gets up there and announces that gina and travis with the gated group lol

have donated five thousand dollars and terry's like wait wait wait wait she's like oh my god like in a bitch have a moment like they're gonna outdo bro me what the hell

and yeah because

Like this is Gina's moment for the first time ever.

She has displayed some element of wealth by donating $5,000 to a cause.

And Terry interrupts, like,

hold on, hold on, hold on.

Well, it's a wonderful event.

He actually gets on stage and it's like, it's a wonderful event.

I just want to say we're going to match with $5,000.

I was like, you can't, don't, don't step on Gina's literal poor moment and not even like, if you're going to do that, like, you got to say $15,000.

But if you're just going to be the same level as Gina, it would have been worse,

right?

Like if he like upped her.

I think it was, I think he probably was going to give more, but maybe that was his way of not one-upping Gina, but like not giving more.

But yeah,

I think he should have just done it silently.

Like, why do you need a fucking applause for it?

You're a zillionaire.

This is a lot more money to Gina than it is to you.

You know, just give the check.

Gina is selling two bedroom houses to the elderly in senior living right now.

Okay.

Let her have her rich moments.

Okay.

Like you either.

You can't like, don't cock block her just to say you're giving the same amount.

Like you only cock block.

If you're going to cock block, that means you got to give above and beyond.

But if you're cock blocking to be like, I'm giving the same amount, that's just like, that's, I think that's actually worse than cock blocking and saying I'm giving 500,000.

Yeah.

Terry Dubrow is always a douchebag.

So he's sticking with that.

But right when I thought he wasn't going to one-up Gina, it's like, but I'd also like to add in a box of these cookies because Heather doesn't want any of the gay kids being bullied for being fat.

So please take these.

Please take these as well.

So then

now we're clicking.

Everybody's talking.

And Tamara is talking with Elizabeth Vargas.

And she's like, I can't be around Slade.

She's so gross.

And then Gretchen, I can't stand Gretchen.

She's so fake.

And Elizabeth's like, no, Shan, she is.

Tell me everything, girlfriend.

Tell me everything.

Do you want to talk about my cult?

We weren't gone the same season, so I feel like I got to catch you up on being in a cult.

It was great.

So Jen and Ryan,

Jen and Gretchen are talking with Slade and Ryan.

And

Gretchen's like, I'm going to go over to Tamara and ask what information she got about us with Slade.

Wait, what?

No, I think you should go alone.

I don't think you should take Slade.

You should just go by yourself.

Just go by yourself.

She's like, nah, because

she's bringing Slade into it.

So I'm bringing Slade into it too.

That doesn't quite make sense, but okay.

So now Tamara and Eddie and Emily are chatting and Tamara's like, I don't know.

I know you're all over there, but like, I just can't be around Slade.

So I'm just going to tell everyone here I can't be around Slade.

Well, how could we move on from this?

We can't.

So then Jen.

I just need to point out that Tamara did not bring Slade into this.

Slade brought Slade into this.

Yes.

This is another Gretchen lie.

Okay, go on.

Yeah, you're absolutely right.

So Jen's talking to Heather and she's like, well, Gretchen and Slade are going to have to have a talk with Tamara.

Oh, I just saw them zoom right past me.

it's kind of like when i said to alfredo why are these balls not at nobu yet and out he went very fast

it's like someone dropped a dollar over there those two were just on it crazy uh this is very intense i feel bad watching but i can't look away

which is not something people say about wendy malak and any of her projects So then Gina is like, this shit's like so uncomfortable.

So now it's late and Gretchen, they walk in together up to Tamara and Gretchen's like, hi.

Tamra's like, no, bitch.

She starts to run out of there.

Gretchen's like, oh, look, there she is running.

There she goes.

Gonna go grab Eddie.

Yeah, run.

Going to grab Eddie.

Look at that.

Run, bitch.

Run.

Run for your life.

Yeah, I don't know what

she's trashy.

Like, I'm like,

you know, she doesn't need to sit there and be confronted by your fucking husband.

You're disgusting.

And so is your husband.

about her.

Enjoy your one year back on the show, loser.

You guys brought up a whole rumor, a whole ass rumor about Tamara that you like you.

Like, what was Slay trying to get to the bottom of?

I don't even remember at this point.

I guess the child support stuff, but that was a long time ago.

Is she supposed to apologize to that stuff?

Because it sounds like they're coming at her for this stuff, which they started and she hasn't said anything to them about.

Yeah,

so well, well, Gretchen is like, damn, bitch,

And Tamara's like, leave me alone.

The trash.

Such bullshit, dude.

Bullshit, dude.

Whatever.

Their voices are turning the same for me.

So Gretchen tells us, you know, I'm not just going to disengage.

People that run are normally like trying to hide from the truth.

So it proves that Tamara's guilty and she's talking about the shit that she doesn't know about.

And if you're talking about shit something supposedly Slade said, then take it up and slay it.

This guy right here.

He did say it.

We were there.

He said it on camera.

What are you talking about?

Why are you making it sound like everybody's coming up with something gretchen you compulsive liar go fall go follow some other queer positive accounts right after you get called out for being a transphobic little asshole i don't believe her i don't want her on this show i'm sick of having to watch her and her stupid slay's ass nobody has to sit here and fight with somebody's husband get the fuck out of here gretchen and take your slime ball with you gross so So Tamara and Eddie are outside.

She's like, you know, she's always trying to, she's always trying to like, you know, try to antagonize me, which is funny because I mean, Gretchen and Slade are antagonizing Tamara right now, but like, let's be honest, Tamra.

Yeah, this is Tamra.

Let's not, let's not get too, let's not totally forget the giant context of their relationship.

Yeah, yeah, none of this, none of this invalidates Tamra being awful as well.

But in this situation, I mean, this is how bad it's gotten.

Like, you get Gretchen and Slade on the show, and now I'm rooting for Tamra.

Like, what the hell kind of upside-down world is this?

What is the show trying to do to me?

Yeah.

So, Emily is like comes outside like, that was aggressive.

I don't get why Slade gets so involved.

Shane was Shane wouldn't do that.

I'm like, Shane doesn't do anything.

Okay, he proposed you on GCHAT.

So then he learned Tamara lesson with Kelly Dodd.

You're a Torp is what you are, you dork, you little dork.

So Tamara's telling us, if she was coming up to apologize for what she did, then go for it.

But it was all for attention.

So then Tamara's like, when you have someone that makes Ryan look good, that's an issue.

Which I was like, whoa, Ryan gets astray and all of this.

And then they cut to Ryan, just like cackling up by the bar.

Yeah.

So then Slade is, so Emily's like, oh, yeah, well, I just want you to know I appreciate you.

Okay.

Appreciate you.

Okay.

Weren't you going to tell Tamara off for going to lynch with Katie?

And what the hell?

So then we come back to the event and Slade's like, oh, well, I didn't mean to drop a bomb, fellas.

And the guys were all

like, consider the bomb dropped.

so Gretchen's like why can't why can Tamara say whatever she wants about Slade and then he can't address it it's like because

because the reason the reason why he can't address it in this situation is first of all the two of you just walked up to Tamra and second of all it's like what she said was off camera and it was a while ago and you're still like it's been like addressed many times since then and you guys even addressed it on the beach and Tamara actually did apologize for it.

And the truth is, you guys brought in a new thing that blew up your whole peace treaty.

And now you're going to act like Tamara did something wrong.

And that's just not the way it is.

Don't make us stand up for Tamara, but we will, we will do that.

Yeah.

And if you don't like that she's calling, uh, that she called Slade a deadbeat dad 13 years ago, just Google it because I just put Slade Smiley child support and it says following the death of his son Grayson in February 2023, Slade Smiley's ex-partner, Michelle Arroyo, alleged that Smiley had not paid child support since 2019 and owed over $152,000.

She also claimed that Smiley and his fiancé, Gretchen Rossi, had a non-existent relationship with Grayson and were using his death for self-promotion.

So you know what?

Maybe you should like corner Google.

Corner Google at a party.

Lame ass.

So Jen's like, well, I was trying to tell her why, why, why, why can't he address it?

And if, if, if it is what Katie was saying to Tamara about with Slade being on the phone.

So, but the producer's like, well, producer tells Gretchen, you know slade does love to get involved she goes no he really doesn't i know everyone thinks this but he gets involved because all the women talk about slate and yet sad we're the bad guys you talk about

guys did you not see the did you not see the the uh his like bit at the improv okay it's not just that like oh he's defending himself he's an aggressor yeah he's gross so you guys came in aggressively and it makes me uncomfortable and i'm fucking aggressive especially when you come up with a man

it's not about Slade for the love of God.

Only when you come up with your six foot tall husband, that's aggressive.

And Gretchen's like, I'm done.

So now she walks off.

So I wish somebody had been like, walk away, bitch.

Run.

I know.

So then, yeah, Gretchen and Slade leave and Gretchen's complaining that Emily accused her of being aggressive.

She's like, she's over it.

But at least they raised $41,000 for the Innocence Project.

So there's that.

But yep, this is a no, this is a real like scorched earth season.

They're all just taking each other down in every way.

It's a shit show.

Yeah.

And they need, they need to freshen up.

They need some storyline to pull them through to the end because this is the shortest Orange County recap I think we've done in years.

It's only 50 minutes, which for us is like really light.

Well, that's because they also just nice moving scenes in the episode of like, oh, well, that's true.

They had like, they had two different charity scenes.

That's three

three different charity scenes and we're like oh anyway

next scene that's true but they do need to freshen up some plots here i mean they just filmed the reunion what yesterday or today or something yesterday i think so that means there's probably what episode was this did i say should i close this is i think 12 or 13.

14.

14.

They probably only have like three episodes.

I'm going to assume the season's going to end in Amsterdam because, you know, sometimes there's more to the show than the trip.

But I'm going to say this ends at 16 or 17.

Yeah.

Okay.

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