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Today is the Real Housewives of Orange County,

season 19, episode 14, hoedown, throw down.

And I just want to say before we get into it, uh wendy and eddie getting arrested we are aware of it and we talk about it in depth on uh the miami recap which we actually released before this so if you're wondering like why are they addressing it then my question is why are you not a miami fan but no for real uh if you are wondering where that is it's over on our miami recap There's actually a live stream going on right now about it.

The cops really? A live stream, but we're not watching it because we're doing this instead. Wow.

We care about you more than we care about Wendy. Damn it.
Wow. Whoa.
This is going to be a good scandal. This is going to be a good one that unfolds.
I think it's going to get worse as

it unfolds. This will be, it's not a scandal of all, but it'll sort of have those elements where like

it's it's not going to it this is not just a open and shut case. There's going to be more to it, I believe.
Well, we'll see.

And hopefully we can have a crossover because here we are talking about the innocence project.

So what a day for that to come out, huh?

So, sweeping drone shot. Okay, here we are.
Real Housewives of Orange County. Tamara is sitting in a bar at a restaurant called Verde, which for those of you who aren't like my lings,

that means green. So, yeah.

And she's like, I think I'm out and need a glass of Chardonnay, even though I made a horrific speech about how I'm not drinking anymore because I become crazy when I drink.

And how the last time I drank, I went crazy at dinner in New Orleans. But I'm still going to have a glass of Chardonnay, please.
And here comes Katie Janella in slow motion.

Katie Janella.

And then we see flashbacks of things that have been happening. Nobody trusts Tamra, et cetera, et cetera.
So here we go.

Flashback, flashback. Lots of flashbacks.

Tons of flashbacks. Yeah.
Flashbacks. Because basically like previously on, right?

So Tamara and Kitty are sitting there and Kitty's like, well, either Slade is her mouthpiece or Gretchen gretchen is really really good and tamara's like yeah she wants to tell lies about me i talk shit about you i'm done double dipping like i don't i don't understand the double dipping part but sure

it's nothing to do with tortilla chips let's go to uh blue bluebird mercantile boutique man you know this town has no shortage of shit boutiques to go to they really nothing but boutiques in this in this county nothing but shitty shitty boutiques that

they're just all lining up waiting to be filmed in yeah

you know everyone talks about like well you know because the internet and amazon and and all these things like the mom and pop stores are closing go to orange county because they're there bluebird mercantile boutique um it's there before we do that can we talk about kitty for a second the seating chart for the for the reunion came out

And the day before,

I think it was Andy or just Bravo had teased the seating chart, like, who's going to sit where?

And

I think a lot of people thought that Katie might actually get the first seat.

She actually wound up in the fourth seat. How do you, do you think that Katie is, what seat do you think Katie should be in for the reunion?

I'm surprised she's not on the end because I would assume that they would only bring her out for part of the reunion, right? Oh, yeah, yeah.

I'm guessing that that's correct because they're only going to bring her out for part. She won't be out there the whole reunion, right?

They'll just bring her on. I don't think so.
I would think that they'd just be like, oh, she was in half the season, so she'll come out, you know, like Alexis.

Wasn't Alexis only on part of the season? They'll probably give her friend of treatment where they bring her out for a little bit.

I don't know because she was,

but she was a housewife. I'm trying to remember how they treated Tinsley because Tinsley left midway through her season or Kim Zolsiak.
Like, were they, did they, were they there the whole reunion?

So I personally thought Katie was going to be first or second seat. And it's not because I'm like, yes, team Katie.

It's because I feel like actually a huge part of the season and the discussion and the attention of this season of Orange County has been about Katie.

So I thought based on that, I actually genuinely thought that Katie was going to be higher up. I mean, I get your, your,

your POV makes sense. If she's only going to be out for part of it, they wouldn't, they wouldn't have her in the first seat.
But I don't know. I'm like, I have to say I'm a little surprised.

A little surprised. Oh, yeah.
I don't think they're going to have her on much much because they're just going to have that basic one fight with her.

Like, did you lie to Kiki Monique or did you tell Kiki Monique? I mean, what seat is Kiki Monique in? That's a great question as well.

Where is she? Why is she at this reunion? Yeah, she needs to be on the other fourth seat.

If it weren't for Kiki, we wouldn't have had this whole, like, because it was, it was the Kiki telling her friend and the friend gossiping to so-and-so.

Like, that's, you know, like, we wouldn't have even had this entire massive fallout. I'm like, I mean, Katie was definitely on thin ice as it was.

Yeah, probably going to have to start adding, they're going to have to start adding like a messy blogger box where they just throw all the whoever gets accused that season of causing crap in the blogosphere or the podcastosphere or radiosphere, just thrown in there so they can have their say too.

But just on a chair in the audience, yeah. Yeah, we're in the Bluebird Mercantile Boutique, okay? And Gretchen and Emily are shopping for cowgirl attire.

And Emily's like, what are you wearing? Listen, if anybody else asked that question, I would think it's a legit question. But Emily, you dressed, you dress like a crazy person as well.

I don't know that anybody on Orange County is really in the place to judge fashion. Yeah, we saw the previews for next week in Amsterdam.

I really don't think you're in any place to talk about fashion. That being said, Gretchen looks crazy.
And Gretchen's like, well, I'm like attracted to anything girly and colorful and a fun vibe.

Gretchen, there's nothing about your fashion that says fun. There's nothing about your Megan Kelly hair that says great times.

Like the super fun girl, like your trad wife, vintage Stepford wife thing. Even if you're doing it ironically, it might be ironic.
There's nothing fun about it.

Your fashion kids, I'm calling the police on people I don't recognize in my neighborhood. Most likely my Morties.
Okay. Yes.

That is the look. That's the look you've got.
You're giving very Laura Ingram. Like the other day, AOC made some comment about all the shit that's going on.
And Laura Ingram was mocking her.

I just saw a clip of it. I wasn't watching Laura Ingram, don't worry.
But she's like, oh my God, what are we listening to a person in a hoodie? I mean, yeah, that's real professional.

I'm just going to sit around here in my hoodie. I mean, what is she in a hoodie? I was like, call the police, Laura.
That's like, that's a reason for you to fucking call the police.

Got the police right there. Yeah.
So Gretchen, I think, is giving that vibe. Like, what are we in a hoodie? What are we in a hoodie?

So Emily saying it somehow fun. Emily's like, she looks like she just got out of a covered wagon on the Oregon Trail.

So Emily's like, well, I no longer practice law, but however, I will definitely say that I'm a lawyer when it comes to prosecuting people like Katie.

But the Innocent Center allows me to be involved in law in a humanitarian way. So I'm doing a fundraiser to pay for Anthony, a recent exoterie, to go to mechanic school.
Also, he's kind of hot.

So we...

He is kind of hot.

He's pretty hot. Actually, yeah, he is kind of hot.

We only help hot people here. I thought it is important for him to follow his dream and make something of himself.

Um, you know, I also stand for lie detectors. Just wanted to get that out there.
So, Gretchen's like, I stand for guilty. I stand for guilty until proven innocent when it comes to this friend group.

But when it comes to incarceration, innocence first.

How was the event last night? And we see Tamara's little cake party thing. It was a shit show.
Okay, remember when we played that game in LA where we asked a question, who we trust the least?

Yeah, the game that you started and that you came up with and that you made everyone answer and now are trying to make drama out of it. Yeah, Emily, I remember.

And Gritch gets, oh, lordy. So now we cut to Las Brisas.
Didn't we eat there once, Ronnie? Or my? Where is it?

In Laguna Beach. Las Brisas.

So where we had

the buffet?

No, that was like the Pelican something or another.

Okay, well, never mind.

Really uninteresting question on my end. Um, so Tamara and Gina sit at a table.
Gina's like, How are you? And Tamara's like, I'm so sick of this shit, Gina.

Tamara is in the full tortured, tortured victim

state of mind. This episode is awesome society.
She really is. She's like, I'm coming to such a hard, goddamn, difficult time of my life.

One of my best friends has cancer and that's a fierce off to college and it just seems like nobody cares Sophia's learning song structure and I'm all alone in the world bitch yeah

god isn't isn't that the worst when someone's going through the hardest time of their life and no one cares hey can we watch last season again god i loved last season and how tamara was so supportive of shannon at her low point geez so and i love that she compares a friend having cancer and her daughter going to music school

i know come on tamara an hour away So

Gina's like, well, last night when you were vocalizing your feelings in your kitchen and we cut to the vocalizing. She's like, God damn it.
I quit this show. I had all these stupid baskets, basically.

Yeah. It literally flashed me back to Vicki's engagement party.
Remember that? Want to show that clip also editors?

And this was when Tamara was hiding in the bushes, fake sobbing, going like

I can't even come in.

Yeah, and it hit me that like the last time you were having like um a very incredibly like heavily stressful year. Like I have to have compassion for you because I see that.

And Gretchen was like like wildly inappropriate with the things she said in LA. But you know, like you're just so reactive to her.

But when is it not enough? When is it enough? Why? When do people say no? Stop bullying Tamara, the sweetest, most innocent person in the street.

Yeah, but you could be mad at Shannon and Jen and Gretchen, but like Emily, like she loves y'all. And when you're wrong, Heather has your back.

So like you, like even like, even when you're wrong, like, you got to be nice to like the people that I like, but just yell at the other people.

But for you to say that you can't trust me, I'm extremely hurt.

Like, how could Heather say she doesn't trust me after I just happened to take a comment that she made of BravoCon Wands and twist it into a whole thing and make the entire case hit her for a whole season?

Why would she not trust me?

Then we cut back to Gretchen and Gretchen's like, every time Tamara's called out about something,

she runs off and says she's not going to do this and she's not going to do that. Yeah, I think she only left the room like five times last night.

And then we did see Tamara trying to quit her own party, but since it was in her house, you have to keep coming downstairs. I quit.
I quit. I'm going upstairs.
Well, I'm downstairs again.

But guess what? I quit again. I'm going back upstairs.
This is the last time you ever see me film. Get a close up on my face because you're never going to see it again.

He just came down to get some milk. Hi, guys.
We're filming again. I'm never filming again after I get this glass of milk, bitch.

Take a good look at the last time you'll see these.

I'm done. I'm done for the damage.

So, I was cracking up.

Emily's like, yeah, just because I was honest with her, and even Heather agreed with me. It wasn't just me.
No one trusts her.

So now here comes Heather. Speaking of which, hello.
television's heather debrow has decided to join you at last precess

so like oh you look beautiful but then like tamara doesn't say hi or anything so heather's like okay all right let me let's let's talk about this a little bit more okay like i understand okay i love you tamara i you are my friend it's like well you make that you're scared of me you make that you don't trust me so why would you ever want to be friends with me just some lowly scary untrustworthy person in the corner My turn.

My turn. Okay, I explained it last night, and I'll explain it again.
Here we go. Can I please get some champs over here? I've got to explain things to my friend.
You don't need to be condescending.

Still me. Still me.
I'm not being condescending. And if you had any sort of education, you would realize that.
But I explained it. Never you said that in front of Gretchen.

And Gretchen claps on ten information. It makes it worse.
It makes it worse.

Well, I'm sorry if that hurt you and your small three-celled brain. But if you think I'm brushing over things that she does, I am not.

I'm encouraging them. I even told her she's using Slade very conveniently to do her dirty work, much like how I use Alfredo to take out the garbage, which is also true dirty work.

I think you too should just trust each other. That's like the answer.
Everybody needs to just trust each other. Oh, well, I appreciate you apologizing.
I just have to work through it.

This is the last time you'll ever see me order Tunisa talking, bitches.

Whoa, back to Mirkatoll. Well, apparently Tara reached out to Katie to talk, and it has to do with you, Gretchen, because all of a sudden, Katie, a known pathological liar, has credibility.

Oh, that's ridiculous. Why even hear her through? Why even hear Katie's full full side of the story without yelling at her? Anyway, Innocence Project Party later tonight.

Yeah, Tamara, like all of a sudden, you're going to believe Katie because it fits your narrative. Yeah, well, I told her, if you meet with her, we're going to have a real fucking problem.

I said that to her, and that's why she's pissed at me. And then this morning, when I was mowing her lawn, I said, don't forget.
And then I was filling up her car with gas.

I was like, do not meet with Katie.

I like Gretchen thinking that she, like, really had like this smart observation about how like Tamara's

going to believe Katie because it fits her narrative now. It's like, yeah,

that's what people do. When something fits their narrative, they're going to believe the things that support their view on life.
Right. Not to get wrong, but like, yeah, Gretchen.
Right.

Which is why you were befriending Katie when Katie was fitting your narrative of coming for Tamara and everybody else. And then you dumped her the second that she wasn't towing the party line anymore.

Gretchen. Gretchen really, Gretchen has really botched her return.
I mean, we said it before, but like, I feel like we were all on Gretchen's side at the beginning of the season.

And now Gretchen is the villain. And somehow, like, I'm on Tamara's side.
Like, this is so warped. I don't get it.
So she's like, Emily's like, yeah, that's why she's pissed at me because I told her.

And Gretchen jokes, like, see, you're the problem. You're the shitstir.
She was like making a lighthearted joke at Emily. And Emily's like, oh, that is not fair.
I'm not talking crap about people.

She goes, yeah, but like, even like Slade said that rumor about Tamara, but I said, you know, like, I'm not even sure I believe that. Wait, you brought up something defamatory.
Emily can't help it.

Like, she's just going to fight with everybody. Like, you're supposed to be.

She's right here. She is right, but it's like, oh, my God.

You can't fight the whole world. Also, you're starting all of this stuff, Emily, by taking it back to everybody and then getting mad when shit hits the fan.

And also, like, notice the grace that Emily gives Gretchen over and over again when Gretchen is either lying or being slippery with the truth, or like, well, well, make coming up with workarounds.

And yet, with Katie, it's like, she has to be kicked out of the group. Like, to me, this is a double standard.
And I think it's a problematic double standard.

So, Gretchen is like, no, nothing's defamatory here. Let me show you something.
What? Are you going to pull up a podcast or an article? This is what you and Tara both do.

You get out your phones, you pull out a podcast, you pull out an article. And if it were Katie doing it, I'd have you kicked off the show.
But since it's it's you go ahead

you need to take accountability for what for participating and encouraging it i wasn't encouraging anything uh-huh you were saying play the song yeah the song no you were saying you wanted to hear the sex thing too that's why you called slate emily this is all on camera ma'am

I don't, but honestly, I don't even think Emily is at fault for saying that because Gretchen drops this bomb like she's got tea. Yeah, like Tamara was having an affair.
She's sing to son.

She's having a fair. And then she da-da-da-da.
And, like, so, like, yeah, let's hear it. You know, I mean, here's the thing.
Heather was the only one who was like, I don't care about the sex stuff.

Yeah, but I can't pick sides because they're just all so terrible. Like, yes, Gretchen brought it up on camera.

Emily was telling her we want to hear it, but also, you're right, Gretchen brought it up on camera. So they're going to have to talk about it.

Gretchen. I don't know if they want to hear the solution.

Yeah.

Wasn't, but wasn't it Slade who said? Slade was the one who said that the mic was still on when they were having sex, right?

yeah

yeah

i don't remember the exact sequence of recording

um that she nelson and then they called slade and slade said that the recording kept going or something and they heard them right boning and so i don't

i don't remember the specific sequence of like like play the song find or whatever but what we do know is that emily and heather were both like you gotta play that song in the beginning before slade came on you gotta play that song of like of tamara trying to sing and i think that's honestly that is totally a reasonable thing like if there's some recording of tamara trying to sing that's out there and gretchen is like yeah we have this recording then i don't think emily should be like accused of like egging on trying to defame tamara like no you dropped the tea and you said it happened while she's having an affair and emily's like okay like tell me more that's on you gretchen Emily can get some call you can give you can give some percentage to Emily but like the lion's share is on Gretchen yeah even if you pawned off on Slade for doing it, for saying it, you called Slade knowing that he was going to say it.

You know Slade. You know if you bring up the subject, what he's going to say.

But Emily does also completely laugh and love it and then goes and tattletales like the next second.

I mean, they're both.

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So then we go to Jen's house and

Shannon's house? Well, Shannon is cleaning. Oh, no.
Shannon is coming to Jen's house. So Archie decides to take a big number two everywhere.
Number two over and over again.

It's like two squared, lots of poos.

And so Shannon's like, Archie. Oh, my God.
I need another plastic bag. This is absolutely ridiculous, Archie.

This is what Wacky Shannon, wacky Archie is being, it's going to try to outshine Wacky Shannon. This is crazy.

I just literally love Shannon. She's just so funny and she doesn't have to say anything.

I can just look at her as she walks into her room and think, oh my God, how come her glasses only have one lens?

She's just so funny. Thank you, Shannon.
Thank you so much for coming over. Shannon, I love you.
I love you. I love you so much.
Thank you so much. So

there is a animal psychic who has arrived, Kaow.

And

she is going to help them commune with all their furry friends because there are a lot in Jen's household plus Archie.

Yeah. So they're going to ask these dogs questions, I guess, or ask questions about the dogs.
And this fucking fraud is going to take their money. So Jen's like, I run a small farm, basically.

So if you pick up on a vibe, just go for it. Please tell Willow to eat less.
That would be great.

So then

They gather all the animals in one room, which is impressive. And I have to say, the breakout star for me was Crew, Jen's dog.
I feel like we have not spent any time with Crew.

And like, I literally love Crew. And Crew was so funny to me.
I took a screenshot. And for people who crap is on demand, hopefully we'll be able to see this.

The way that Crew sat on that sofa and looked at the psychic like, I am ready. Like very patiently.
Like, I know you can hear me. I'm not waiting for this.
Like, this was the funniest image.

Like, and it just, like, crew is just like there, like, like really close to the psychic, like knows the psychic wants to talk to her. And like drag that conversation.

He's looking right into her eyes, like, hi, I'm sitting here. I'm ready to go.
I've been waiting for this all day. Please don't be another fucking,

you know, criminal. Just tell me what I need to hear.
Kiki Monique told me that Gretchen has been saying that she was drugged. Did you hear this, KO?

So Jen's like, well, my fiancé and I have recently combined families. And so when we got crew, she was truly the missing piece that brought us all together as one family.
And Kao's like, oh, wow. Wow.

Great. But Willow is the spoiled one.
And Kao's like, does she want a stroller? Does she want a stroller? And she's like, oh my God, does she want a stroller? She's too chubby for a stroller.

Yeah, if this dog psychic was real, Willow would say, tell this bitch to stop fat shaming me.

Like she is the one who's feeding me and then fat shaming me. What the hell? Get me out of this house.

Well, I would like to have a moment with the dog psychic therapist. Okay,

KO.

This is Archie and he doesn't bark. We actually talk.
We have full conversations with each other. Probably more communication with him than I've had in certain romantic relationships.
Byrne.

Anyway, I have so many questions. So

here we go. That's really sad, actually.

What do you mean it's sad? Archie said it's sad? Oh, no. I'm sorry.
That was me who said that. Okay, let's get to Archie questions.

Does he get annoyed when we kiss and cuddle him?

Does he like going to the park or going running? Does he like a walk on the leash?

I don't know. I just, I need these men to communicate with me.

Do you move a lot? Because he keeps thinking, move, move, move, and that you have these long, drawn out goodbyes. He'd really just appreciate you just letting him go.
Sometimes,

he doesn't like the long, drawn out goodbye. He doesn't like when I say goodbye to him for 15 minutes.
He doesn't like that.

I think he senses that you're worried when you leave. Well,

I am worried. I mean,

what if I'm gone and Archie's looking out the window and sees some blonde slut on the beach and decides to follow her down and become her her dog? I mean, what the hell, Archie?

Archie, don't do this to me. That is it.
I am leaving.

Shannon just hit the house next door. Shannon, come back.
The dog packet is not done yet.

I have another question for Archie. Can you ask Archie if it's totally necessary that we take walks at one in the morning in Newport Beach?

I really resent that I had to do that for him.

So she decides, she kind of leads Kao. By the way, Kal's not even really trying that hard to scam these people because Shanna just keeps giving her everything.

She's like, well, Archie, you know, had some insecurities, I think, because of when I left him at school too young. He was probably too young to be left at school.
Now he keeps biting other tongues.

So I think that you may have left Archie at school too young. Exactly, KO.
God, you are so good at this.

Yeah,

KO really does not have to work hard for her grift.

But basically, Shannon is,

she clearly wants to get another dog, and she's just looking for validation that it's an okay thing to do. So

KO's like, yeah, I get another dog. More clients for me.
I'm all for it. Yeah.
So now we go to Katie Janella coming to meet Tamara at bed then.

Katie Janella, fancy meeting you here.

Well, I gotta tell you, as I've taken a step back from the situation, what makes me sad the most, it's about Jen. Oh, yeah, the way she betrayed you?

No, just her choices in life, that she's with Ryan, she's okay with paint splatter on denim. It just makes me so sad.
I mean, I was just so hurt.

She called me once or twice, but I didn't even pick up. I've just been super emotional over all of it.
Oh, yeah, well, I've been the odd man so many times. And I'm the odd man right now.

I'm the odd man right now. Do you feel back for me after I helped everybody kick you out of this group? Me.

Yeah, well,

you were fine being part of the group when they were kicking somebody out a couple of weeks ago, ma'am. Yeah, it's not been that long.
Well, you know, I do feel bad about what I did.

And I did not mean to hurt you, Tamara. And I tried to apologize with Shannon.
And Tamara's like, I don't think it is some sociopathic liar.

She apologizes being honest so i'm gonna take that for what it is someone i could use against gretchen so i'm gonna use her for the batting ram that she is best

so when when katie says i feel bad about what i did i did not mean to hurt you is that her confessing to telling

uh kiki

i think that's her yeah i think she's saying

Yeah, I did tell Kiki Monique that Gretchen said that she was drugged or whatever. Well, Katie said as much.
She said it earlier in the season. Like, I told Kiki because Gretchen said,

no, I don't remember. No, she remember what she said.
She still was maintaining that she didn't tell Kiki Monique, that Kiki Monique must have heard it from Sheena or whoever.

I don't remember. But sort of as a confession, but it's also kind of like,

I wasn't trying to be messy. Maybe she's saying like I wasn't trying to be messy.
Who knows? Who knows? That's kind of convoluted at this point. Yeah.

I'm just trying to get it straight. Slade called Matt and said, don't talk about this.
And she's like, yeah, Gretchen lied and said you drugged her. Then Slade said, tell Katie to stick to the story.

Tell her not to waver. That's the nail on her coffin.
Also, Tamara had sex with Nelson. What?

His exact words were, tell her to stick to the story because it's a legal issue. And I thought, oh my God, am I going to get in trouble legally?

And I thought, if it's a legal issue, I don't want to talk about it. So I was like, oh shit, I was being lied to again by Slade.
He is the eye of the storm for sure.

So Katie's like,

so I texted her. Sorry, I did my timer impersonation for a moment.
Not inappropriate for this conversation. I texted her and I literally tell her, I won't, I won't share that.

Like, why would I say that? When she said that, like, she's a liar.

See, now I can show, I can show receipts because in the beginning of the season, Katie was like, oh yeah, those Instagram messages, I just don't have reception right now. I don't show you anything.

Yeah.

He was trying to shut you down, then.

Yes. And I'm trying to cover for my friend, quote unquote, when she was really using me to cover her lies.

Oh, yeah. He does all the dirty work and the talking.
And then she's like, eh, that's either. Don't dare look into it.
It's like, yes.

So

she says that Slade was constantly calling Matt. And then once he was done with him, it was utter silence.

A dream. No more Slade

calling up. First time I've ever heard anybody complain that Slade is not calling them enough.

Well, finally, Matt is like, I just want to talk to him, man to man. Slate's Batman.
Man to child. Man's douchebag.

Sure. Yeah, that's pretty good.

Everything they said,

they're doing it to me. That's what's happening here.
I'm rubbering your glue. You say something bad, and it you're ugly and

smell that boo-boo. That's it.
This is God argument.

So then we see, see, now we see a sequence of Gina and Jen in their homes going through clothing and organizing things. I have to say, I'm going to say this.

You know, it's one of those random days where I say something nice about Gina.

To her credit, her home decor has really come up since when we first met her. Like she had like a nice little kind of beige on beige living room.
It wasn't anything.

mind-blowing, but it was definitely a step up from all the Marshalls tchotchkis she used to gather in her youth. So I'm going to give her credit.

That was my takeaway from that little scene with her in the living room. Oh, that's nice.

Yeah. It's,

I just kind of avoid looking when it comes to a Gina home scene. It's like when you're passing something really sad, like under the freeway, and you're like, nothing's happening.
Everything's fine.

You know, and you just keep driving. That's how I feel.

All right. Let's go to Junior Cookies, which is also what I call child chefs.

We are here here to talk about the Trevor Project. Everyone, it's a Trevor Project scene.
So Heather is

doing like a cookie fundraiser and it's for the Trevor Project. And it's all very, very good.
And she was been active with this charity for 10 years, which we love.

And

she was, it was her kids that kind of like. connected the dots for her, et cetera.

And she is

really anti-bullying. So one of the Trevor Project people is like, are you going to allow me to have one of the cookies you brought? She's like, oh, would I stop you from having a cookie?

No, but I would tell you, you probably shouldn't. You'll get bullied.

We're here to stop. We're here to stop bullying.

So

she tells a very scary stat, which is that every 45 seconds, an LGBTQ plus youth tries to commit suicide, which is terrible. terrible.
And so I'm really glad this organization is here to help.

And it was a short scene, but it was a nice scene. And I think it was an important scene.
So now we go to Emily's house where she's going to be doing talking more about the Innocence Project.

So she has the director of the Innocence Project there.

And she's talking about how,

she's talking about the importance of the organization. And she has...
two exoneries who are there who now tell their stories. Yeah.
So she's like, before we even start, one of you stole the sandwich.

One of you stole a turkey sandwich. Wait a minute.
That was me. It's in my purse.
Oh, sorry, too soon. Bad joke.

Stephen, tell astronaut story. So he talks about how he was convicted of a shooting in Los Angeles and he was in Rancho Cucamonga.
So that he didn't do that shit. He was in Rancho Cucamonga.

And I just loved the specificity of Rancho Cucumonga. Because then the next guy was like, yeah, I was also accused of shooting someone and I wasn't in town either.

And I was like, were you in Rancho Cucamonga too? And what is going on in Rancho Cucumonga? Because I only hear it on like radio ads, but I've never been out there.

Well, when you drive to Vegas, if you take the 10 to the 15, when you go, when you get onto the 15 and start heading north, you are in Rancho Cucumonga. I think I stopped there once to go to a

Fudrucker's.

Rancho Cucumonga? Fudruckers. Hell yeah.
Delicious. It's just such a silly name for a place.
It is Cucamanga that when someone's telling a very serious story, they're like, I couldn't have done it.

I was in Rancho Cucamonga. I'm like, okay, come on.
You're making it. I know.
I feel like Rancho Cucumanga wants to have like the romantic rhythm of a San Juan Capistrano.

Like, ooh, San Juan Capistaman. Yeah, that is classic.
Sounds like a soap opera.

Yeah, it is. You know, it's like,

which is, by the way, San Juan Capistrano is a place in Orange County. But like, it's like, ooh, from the sandy shores of San Juan Capistrano, to Capistrano to Rancho Cucamongo.
It's like,

just doesn't have that same.

Yeah, it's hard to, it's hard to get into a serious story when they say Rancho Cucumongo. It's just a funny word.

So she basically, they talk about being fairly imprisoned forever. And this is really fucked up because then they're like, okay, well, sorry, you were in jail for 20 years.

We were wrong. Okay, enjoy your life.
And they don't give them anything. Horrifying.
Yeah. They're just like, okay, well, good luck.
Okay. We're giving your old shoes back.
Okay. Good luck with that.

Emily recites some stat, maybe it was later in the episode, that like 46%

of people in jail have been accused of crimes they didn't commit. Like that is

wild.

Lots of scary stats on this show. Yes.

So now we go to Jen's house.

where Ryan is planning on wearing some jorts to the Innocence Project fundraiser tonight.

So, So, I mean, you know, I love we're talking about these people who were like lost 14 to 20 years of their lives in jail for something that they didn't do.

And it's like, and now I'm going to put on jorts,

jorts to save them. What we're celebrating innocence while also committing fashion crimes.
It's just like so, it's just so Ryan, you know, it's like the privilege, the privilege.

So then Shanna's getting ready and she's on the phone with Adeline and she's like, oh, I think I'm going to wear this jacket full of jewels. What do you think of that? She's like, mom, it's a lot.

No one's ever, ever going to have sex with you. Wow, that is kind of rude, Adeline.

Are you going to rave?

Yeah.

Adeline's just doing a line off of a go-go boy's ass.

I'll tell you what's not a rave. My thoughts on that jacket.
Adeline. That was cruel.

So

Gretchen and Slade. Slade getting dressed like cowboys.

You know, I haven't talked to Tamara since things went off at the tactical date. So I'm wondering if Eddie's going to be there.

And he's like, well, from the guy's perspective, the problem is with Eddie, we don't respect Eddie because he allows Tamra to say and do whatever she wants.

And men, it's men's responsibility to like, you know, control what their wife does. Babe, put a lock on your wife's mouth, man.
Come on. What are you allowing your wife to speak?

Shut the fuck up, Slade. Man who hasn't worked a fucking day in his marriage, talking about what you would allow a woman to do.
Are you fucking kidding me? Get a job, sir. You fucking deadbeat.

So Slade's issue is that Eddie does not put a muzzle on Tamara. That's his issue.

Okay.

Yeah.

It's so shit. That's so shitty.
Like he doesn't, he doesn't, he allows Tamara to... No, it doesn't work that way.
People are free thinkers and you say what you want to say.

I think Eddie, actually, I'm never going to defend Eddie, but in this case, I think Eddie's just exhausted. Look at the guy.

He looks 25 years older than he is. He's had to deal with Tamara for so many years.
You're like...

Poor man is carrying the weight of those teeth around. Just leave him alone.

Do you think that's easy? Teeth and corny motorcycle jackets. Okay.
Like leave them. I'm not going to say leave the poor guy alone, but seriously, Slade.
I think he's got. Slade's a pig.
And you know,

they keep Slade at kind of a minimum on this show, which thank God. But it's like they brought back Gretchen, but it's like, okay, but we're only going to show a little tiny bit of Slade this time.

But even in the tiny bit they show him, he's just a fucking pig every time he's on screen. Every single day.
And look at the way he ruins Gretchen all over again.

Just to circle back to what I said before, like Gretchen started off the season really well. She had like...
really all the moral high ground coming into it.

She was coming in. She was taking Tamra down a peg.
We were rooting for Gretchen. It was great.

And the moment that Slade starts hatching a scheme about don't say this, hold the line, blah, blah, blah, blah, Gretchen's stock tanks. And now she's like, you know, Gretchen's always sucks.

Whatever. Gretchen has forever sucked terribly.
And she's,

it shows how fake she is when every time she's around Slade, she turns into this completely different person. He's like, run, bitch.

We're in front of the other lady. She's like, I just don't understand why Tamara's just so upset.
I just don't understand why I can't make up with Tamra.

And then the second Slade's around, she's just screaming trash commercials here comes one right now

so uh now we're back at emily's event and uh people are showing up and

elizabeth varcas is there unbelievable undeniable time for the innocent project

uh so let's see oh guess who else is here grudgers

oh god well she's not here yet, but it's going to be terrible having Grutchers and Tamara in the same room. Do you remember I got pissed at Tamra sitting down with Katie?

Well, she fucking met with her. That's what happened.
I'm going to have something to say about it.

So Emily

tells everyone about...

She's talking about the what she tells us about like the stats that I recited before about

people who are incarcerated. And then more and more people are arriving.
And

we are,

we actually also see that like,

that like

Tamara and Emily had like a meeting. They like sat down

after the cake party to discuss like their fight. And then, and Emily's like, you have to understand that like, I just don't know if things go down with us.

Like if you're just going to like dig up stuff on me, that's what I'm thinking. Tamara's like, you can always trust me.
By the way. I met with Katie.
You're ashamed.

See, there you are. Like, you just said you were upset with me for not trusting you.
And now you're proving my point.

So, Jen is asking Tamara how the meeting with Katie went. She's like, it went well.
I feel validated.

And she told me some things, but I don't feel comfortable telling you because you're friends with them. Do you want me to go tell them everything I said? She's like, mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm. So, no? Okay.

I'll just tell them this stuff then. Okay.
Thanks. But I like that Tamara calls it.
And then she immediately goes

running right over to Tattletale. So

why would Tamara suddenly think that Katie is credible as a producer?

And she's like, well, the more time that went on, I was like, wow, she was set up by Jenny and Gretchen because they were mean to me.

And now that they've shown to Katie that they're not on her side, Katie's not sticking up for him anymore. So she's telling me what's really happened.

So Tamara's just going around being like, I just don't want to be face-to-face with Gretchen Slade. I don't.
And Eddie's like, I don't either. So, you know, he's just, he's so charismatic that Eddie.

And then, so guess what? Gretchen and Slade arrive and she's they look kind of crazy, and um, they're all mixing and mingling. And so, Emily's like, Guess what? Tamra met with Katie.
Oh, really?

So, she went from this girl is dead to me to I'm gonna be friends with her because she's gonna get me intel on Gretchen.

Yep, she is just she is so obsessed with you, Gretchen. She is obsessed with you.
Oh my god, Archie just pooped over there. Excuse me.

By the way, this is this is why Gretchen will never excel with these feuds because you've got to keep like you've got to keep your wild cards in line because the moment that you kick them to the curb tamer's gonna go pick it up and use it for herself it's like a loaded gun it's like those movies where there's two people fighting over a gun and someone drops the gun the other person's gonna get it and turn around and they're the one in the power you let katie go lady katie was your ally and you should have just you didn't handle it right you got to keep your allies on your side when you're going up against Tamra.

Well, I mean, she was her ally, except for the whole telling Tamra that Gretchen accused her of date rape, drugging her. But I'm saying she should have been like,

you know what? Like, I didn't like that you said that. I understand that, you know, maybe it was a slip-up or whatever.
But

like, you know what?

I love you. Like, let's not make this be the end of her.
But, like, she basically, by kicking her to the curb, you got to know that Tamara eventually is going to, is going to take,

take what she can get. Yeah.

So Anthony talks about being unfairly incarcerated and not being educated in prison. So he's excited to go learn mechanic stuff.

And so they raise 15 grand and then there's some line dancing and Shannon is

typical. What? Just typical.
I'm both at the table.

One foot in front. Whoa.

I'm going to put this in the the Trace Amiga show. What? This is crazy.
Oh, I can't do it.

So then Emily gets up there and announces that Gina and Travis with the Gated Group, LOL, have donated $5,000. And Terry's like, wait, wait, wait, wait.
And Gina's like, oh, my God.

Like, can a bitch have a moment? Like, they're going to out-do-brawl me. What the hell?

And yeah, because like this is Gina's moment for the first time ever, she has displayed some element of wealth by donating $5,000 to a cause. And Terry interrupts like,

hold on, hold on, hold on.

Well, it's a wonderful event. He actually gets on stage and it's like, it's a wonderful event.
I just want to say we're going to match with $5,000.

I was like, you can't, don't, don't step on Gina's literal poor moment and not even like, if you're going to do that, like, you got to say $15,000.

But if you're just going to be be the same level as Gina, it would have been worse.

So, right? Like, if he like upped her, I think it was, I think he probably was going to give more, but maybe that was his way of not one-upping Gina, but like not giving more.

But yeah, I think you're, I think he should have just done it silently. Like, why do you need a fucking applause for it? You're a zillionaire.
This is a lot more meaning to Gina than it is to you.

You know, just give the check.

Gina is selling two bedroom houses to the elderly in senior living right now. Okay.

Let her have her rich moments. Okay.
Like, you

can't, like, don't cock block her just to say you're giving the same amount. Like you only cock block.

If you're going to cock block, that means you got to give above and beyond.

But if you're cock blocking to be like, I'm giving the same amount, that's just like, that's, I think that's actually worse than cock blocking and saying I'm giving 500,000. Yeah.

Terry Dubrow is always a douchebag. So he's sticking with that.

But right when I thought he wasn't going to one-up Gina, it's like, but I'd also like to add in a box of these cookies because Heather doesn't want any of the gay kids being bullied for being fat.

So please take these. Please take these as well.
Damn it.

So then

now we're clicking. Everybody's talking and Tamara's talking with Elizabeth Vargas.
And she's like, I can't be around Slade. She's so gross.
And then Gretchen, I can't stand Gretchen. She's so fake.

And Elizabeth's like, no, Shan, she is. Tell me everything, girlfriend.
Tell me everything.

Do you want to talk about my occult? We weren't gone the same season, so I feel like I got to catch you up on being an occult. It was great.

So uh jen and ryan um jen and gretchen are talking with slate and ryan and um

gretchen's like i'm gonna go over to tamara and ask what information she got about us with slade wait what no i i think you should go alone i don't think you should take slate you should just go by yourself just go by yourself she's like nah because he's bringing she's bringing slate into it so i'm bringing slate into it too

that doesn't quite make sense but okay so now tamara and eddie and Emily are chatting and Tamara's like, I don't know. I know you're all over there, but like, I just can't be around Slade.

So I'm just going to tell everyone here I can't be around Slade. Well, how could we move on from this? We can't.
So then Jen.

I just need to point out that Tamara did not bring Slade into this. Slade brought Slade into this.

Yes.

This is another Gretchen lie. Okay, go on.
Yeah, you're absolutely right. So Jen's talking to Heather and she's like, well, Gretchen and Slade are going to have to to have a talk with Tamara.

Oh, I just saw them zoom right past me. It's kind of like when I said to Alfredo, why are these balls not at Nobu yet? And out he went very fast.

It's like someone dropped a dollar over there. Those two were just on it.
Crazy.

This is very intense. I feel bad watching, but I can't look away.

Which is not something people say about Wendy Malik and any of her projects. So then Gina is like, this shit's like so uncomfortable.

So now it's late and Gretchen, they walk in together up to Tamara and Gretchen's like, hi. Tamra's like, no, bitch.
And she starts to run out of there. Gretchen's like, oh, look, there she is running.

There she goes. Gonna go grab Eddie.
Yeah, run. Going to grab Eddie.
Look at that. Run, bitch.
Run. Run for your life.

Yeah, I don't know what.

She's trashy. Like, I'm like,

you know, she doesn't need to sit there and be confronted by your fucking husband. You're disgusting.
And so is your husband. You guys brought it out of here.

Enjoy your one year back on the show, loser.

You guys brought up a whole rumor, a whole ass rumor about Tamara that you like.

Like, what was Slade trying to get to the bottom of? I don't even remember at this point.

I guess the child support stuff, but that was a long time ago. Is she supposed to apologize to that stuff?

Because it sounds like they're coming at her for this stuff, which they started and she hasn't said anything to them about.

Yeah.

So, well,

well, Gretchen is like, fun bitch.

And Tamar's like, leave me alone. The trash says bullshit, dude.
Bullshit, dude. Whatever.

Their voices are drinking the same for me. So Gretchen tells us, you know, I'm not just going to disengage.
People that run are normally like trying to hide from the truth.

So it proves that Tamara's guilty and she's talking about the shit that she doesn't know about. And if you're talking about shit, something supposedly Slade said, then take it up and slade.

This guy right here.

He did say it.

We were there. He said it on camera.
What are you talking about? Why are you making it sound like everybody's coming up with something, Gretchen? You fucking compulsive liar.

Go follow some other queer positive accounts right after you get called out for being a transphobic little asshole. I don't believe her.
I don't want her on this show.

I'm sick of having to watch her and her stupid slay's ass. Nobody has to sit here and fight with somebody's husband.
Get the fuck out of here, Gretchen, and take your slime ball with you. Gross.

So, so Tamara and Eddie are outside.

She's like, you know, she's always trying to, she's always trying to like, you know, try to antagonize me, which is funny because, I mean, Gretchen and Slate are antagonizing Tamara right now, but like, let's be honest.

Tamra. Yeah, this is Tamra.
Let's not, let's not get too, let's not totally forget the giant context of their relationship. Yeah.
Yeah.

None of this, none of this invalidates Tamara being awful as well. But in this situation, I mean, this is how bad it's gotten.

Like, you get Gretchen and Slade on the show, and now I'm rooting for Tamra. Like, what the hell kind of upside down world is this? What is the show trying to do to me? Yeah.

So, Emily is like comes outside, like, that was aggressive. I don't get why Slade gets so involved.
Shane would Shane wouldn't do that. I'm like, Shane doesn't do anything.

Okay, he proposed you on GCHAT. So, then he learned his lesson with Kelly Dodd.
You're a Torp is what you are, you dork, you little dork.

So, Tamara's telling us, if she was coming up to apologize for what she did, then go for it. But it was all for attention.

So then Tamara's like, when you have someone that makes rad liquid, that's an issue. Which I was like, whoa, Ryan gets astray and all of this.

And then they cut to Ryan just like cackling up by the bar. Yeah.

So then Slade is, so Emily's like, oh, yeah, well, I just want you to know I appreciate you. Okay.
I appreciate you. Okay.
Weren't you going to tell Tamara off for going to lunch with Katie?

And what the hell? So then we come back to the event and Slade's like, oh, well, I didn't mean to drop a bomb, fellas.

And the guys are all laughing

consider the bomb dropped.

So Gretchen's like, why can't, why can't Tamara say whatever she wants about Slade? And then he can't address it. It's like, because

the reason why he can't address it in this situation is, first of all, the two of you just walked up to Tamra. And second of all, it's like...
What she said was off-camera and it was a while ago.

And you're still like, it's been like addressed many times since then and you guys even addressed it on the beach and tamara actually did apologize for it and the truth is you guys brought in a new thing that blew up your whole peace treaty and now you're going to act like tamara did something wrong and that's just not the way it is don't make us stand up for tamara but we will we will do that yeah and if you don't like that she's calling uh that she called slade a deadbeat dad 13 years ago just google it because i just put slade smiley child support and it says following the death of his son grayson in february 2023 Slade Smiley's ex-partner, Michelle Arroyo, alleged that Smiley had not paid child support since 2019 and owed over $152,000.

She also claimed that Smiley and his fiancée, Gretchen Rossi, had a non-existent relationship with Grayson and were using his death for self-promotion. So, you know what?

Maybe you should like corner Google. Corner Google at a party.
Lame ass.

So Jen's like, well, I was. Trying to tell her why, why, why, why can't he address it?

And if it is what Katie was saying to Tamara about with with slade being on the phone so but the producer's like well producer tells gretchen you know slade does love to get involved she goes no he really doesn't i know everyone thinks this but he gets involved because all the women talk about slade and yet say how we're the bad guys you talk about

guys did you not see the did you not see the the uh his like bit at the improv okay it's not just that like oh he's defending himself he's an aggressor yeah he's gross so you guys came in aggressively and it makes me uncomfortable and I'm fucking aggressive, especially when you come up with a man.

She's like, it's not about Slade for the love of God.

When you come up with your six foot tall husband, that's aggressive. And Gretchen's like, I'm done.

So now she walks off. So I wish somebody had been like, walk away, bitch.

Run.

I know.

So then, yeah, Gretchen and Slade leave and Gretchen's complaining that Emily accused her of being aggressive. She's like, she's over it.
But at least they raised $41,000 for the Innocence Project.

So there's that. But yep, this is a no, this is a real like scorched earth season.
They're all just taking each other down in every way.

It's a shit show.

Yeah, they need, they need to like freshen up. They need some storyline to pull them through to the end because this is the shortest Orange County recap I think we've done in years.

It's only 50 minutes, which for us is like really light.

Well, that's because they also just like nice moving scenes in the episode of like oh well that's true they had like they had two different charity scenes that's three

three different charity scenes and we're like oh anyway

next scene that's true but they do need to freshen up some plots here i mean they just filmed the reunion what yesterday or today or something yesterday i think so that means there's probably what episode was this did i say Should I close it?

This is, I think, 12 or 13. 14.

14. They probably only have like three episodes left.

I'm going to assume the season's going to end in Amsterdam because, you know, sometimes there's more to the show than the trip, but I'm going to say this ends at 16 or 17. Yeah.
Okay.

Well, let's see what happens, everybody. Have a great weekend over there.
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She's our favorite streamer, Caroline Peacock. Kristen the Piston Anderson.
Get a B in your bonnet with Lacey B. K-Sera, Syrah, whatever will be, will Lauren Sills be.

She gets a name from us, it's Lindsay D.

Let's give a kiss a Reno to Lisa Lino. Fresh as a daisy, it's Maisie McHenry.
We love her on the rocks, it's Melissa Cox. Megan Berg, you can't have a burger without the berg.

This is living with Michelle Vivian. I love a ya, Olivia Williamson.
She sure is swell. It's Raquel.
Yes, we can. It's Sedana.
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Darn Skippy, it's Tippy. And our super premium sponsors.
She's V V I P, it's Amanda V. Can't lose when you're with Amy Baldwin.
Somebody get us 10 cc's of Betsy MD.

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Put us on a stretcher, it's Charlotte Fletcher. Don't get salty with Christine Pepper.

Can't have a meal without the Emily Sides. Who, what, why, where, and Gwen Pentland.
Let's go into the woods with Guy Tubbs. It's our queen, it's Queen Laifa.
Nobody holds a candle to Jamie Kendall.

Hail the Cork Master, the Master of the Cork, Jennifer Corcoran. We got our wish, it's Jen Plish.
She's not harsh, she's Jill Hirsch. My favorite Murdo, Karen McMurdo.

She's a total knockout, it's Katie Manock. We love him madly.
It's Kyle Pod Shadley. In the study with a candlestick, it's Leslie Peacock.
G, it's Lisa H. We're ride or die for Lisa Ryder-Baron.

She's a whiz, it's Liz Sarthe. Always killing it, it's Lola Alkalani.
The incredible edible Matthew Sisters. She eases our woes, it's Melissa St.
Rose.

There's a chance of meatballs, it's Rebecca Cloud. Maximum love for Sandy Maximoska.
She's the queen bee, it's Sarah Lemke. We cannot tell a lie, it's Sarah Telefson.

Shannon, out of a cannon, Anthony. Please don't stop.
It's Solian Pop. Let's take off with Tam Laplain.
We're obsessed all with Tessa V.

She ain't no shrinking violet couchar.

We love you guys.

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