#3069 RHOC S19E18 Part Two: Behind the Candelabra

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Speaker 1 Hi everyone, welcome back. This is part two of a two-part recap.
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Speaker 1 But enough of that, let's get right back into the episode. And also, thanks for saying Gretchen instead of Gretchers.
Gretchers, my bad, Gretchers!

Speaker 1 Gina, good thing you forgave Katie Katie at the hot pot.

Speaker 1 How hurtful was it hearing from Kiki Monique that Katie told her that she perceived you to be making racist comments while Emily was putting eggs in her purse and trying to be hilarious while dissing an entire country's food choices?

Speaker 1 Well, I would like to address this. Obviously, you can understand how that sounds horrifying to me.
Like, with that sad.

Speaker 1 Now, me watching back and seeing, like, that whatever I said, which was totally not meant to be malicious in any way, shape or form, but seeing that that triggered a trauma in you from your past, like I'm not in the business of triggering trauma.

Speaker 1 I'm not here to trigger trauma. Like I'm not here to trigger trauma.
Who triggered trauma? I'm in the business of selling one bedrooms to 75 year olds. Okay.

Speaker 1 I love when she kept saying trigger trauma. I was cracking up.
I'm not here to trigger trauma. Okay.
And if that's what I did in that moment, then I'm like, I understand that. And I'm sorry for that.

Speaker 1 No, it's not triggering a trauma. What you said was racially fucked up.
Who says that to somebody? And she did wear Asian designers. And I don't know why anybody's listening to Gina.

Speaker 1 Like Gina would know where any designer is from besides TJ Maxx.

Speaker 1 I think that, no, Gina, I have to say, I do appreciate because Gina. has been doing a really good job of celebrating Asian designers too.
Cause she's, it's Shein, right?

Speaker 1 Is that the brand that she's been wearing? I really support 10-year-olds being forced into labor to glue clothes together. So I'm really there.
I'm on the forefront.

Speaker 1 Well, I appreciate that. It didn't trigger a trauma.
It just seemed inappropriate to say at the time. And I never called you the R-word.

Speaker 1 And I said, Well, you should, because I'm not, you know, like that wouldn't be a very nice thing to say. You shouldn't say that about disabled people.
No, the other R word. Which one?

Speaker 1 Sorry.

Speaker 1 No, no, you can't say that, Gina. Well, isn't that what you said?

Speaker 1 Is that what you said I was calling you? No, no. I said I wasn't calling you the R word.
Oh, okay. I don't know what that is, but thank you.

Speaker 1 You know, I just said it had undertones that made it feel R. She's like, oh, Republican, don't say that.
I can get canceled for that.

Speaker 1 Rotund? No, we're not going to fat shame.

Speaker 1 Rizzola.

Speaker 1 I love that show. You can call me in the R word.

Speaker 1 Rotini, yeah, I love that position. Okay.
Yeah, you can call me. I accept that.
And I'm like, I really wish instead of sitting down with Kiki Monik, you would have sat down with me.

Speaker 1 And she's like, um, yeah, but to your point, why would she sit down with you? You were having a fight with her at the time and you were making shitty comments behind her back.

Speaker 1 Why does she need to sit down with you about it? Saying something later, why, why aren't you sitting down with all the people you sit and giggle their screenshots of gossip with with Emily?

Speaker 1 Why aren't you the one apology? You know, shut up, Gina. Yeah, why aren't you apologizing?

Speaker 1 Like, why all this talk about like, I wish you would have come and talked, you know, just said it to my face, basically, when she's, like you said, just doing all this stuff behind people's backs.

Speaker 1 So Katie is like, yeah, but to your point, we were trying to do better. And I told her, I said, you said, you know, I don't think Gina's a bad person, but these times made me feel that way.

Speaker 1 And her and I were bonding over being people of color in this space because it's predominantly not people of color, right? And to be the first Asian on Orange County in 18 years means a lot to me.

Speaker 1 That's my subtle way of saying thank you for all you white ladies for running off the one piece of diversity that comes across the stage in years and years and years okay but my intention was not to trigger trauma and like you know even if i trigger trauma like i didn't mean to run you off because of your race like i meant to run you off because of your personality so like i hope that that that suffices and she's like thank you thank you katie okay does anyone else want to apologize to katie and everyone's just silent And so Katie's like, well, I mean, if you guys need any ideas, I think being called as evil as Alexis could get an apology.

Speaker 1 And Shana's like, well, I was, I was going to say earlier, but when Bravo came to me, when Bravo Social came to me and said, is there anything that you regret from this season?

Speaker 1 And I said, I was so hurt by the thought that you would betray me that I wasn't happy with what I said after you betrayed me. But so, you know, what came first, the chicken or the egg? I don't know.

Speaker 1 Either way, I will have both for breakfast tomorrow. Thank you.
So

Speaker 1 Andy is like, Katie, is there a place to move forward with some of the people in this group? I hope so. All right.
Well, I do too.

Speaker 1 Okay. And so then Gina's like, oh my God, this is like the stupidest thing I've ever won.
I swear. I'm like, guess what?

Speaker 1 I'm going to say, no, it's not the stupidest because we've seen a lot of things on you, Gina. We've seen a lot of looks.

Speaker 1 But it's not great.

Speaker 1 You're correct. You're correct.
It's not great. Every time I look at you, I'm like, she has to be uncomfortable.
It's like the stupidest choice I've ever made. I am sweating.

Speaker 1 Is no one hot in here? Is no one menopausal?

Speaker 1 Whoa,

Speaker 1 whoa, double Alfredo. That was a good one.
Write that one down. It's going into one woman's show.

Speaker 1 You're the one who's always freezing. What's going on here? Okay, so whatever.
So now we go to Gretchen.

Speaker 1 So she's in her trailer. And she's not allowing Slade to come.
And she's saying he's going to be supportive at home. And then back on the couches, Shannon is like, oh my God, I hate this.

Speaker 1 There's a side view of my tree trunk over here. So back to Gretchen.
She's like, I'm excited about clearing up all that measure has been.

Speaker 1 And Glam is like, what's she saying? Yeah, she's saying that I told her that Tamara drugged me, which is not true. I never said that.
I did say it. I never said it.

Speaker 1 Maybe I did, but I didn't when I didn't, but that happened, but it didn't happen. Everybody needs to understand, not understand it, because I'm telling the truth not.

Speaker 1 It's opposite.

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Speaker 1 Go ahead. Sorry.
I just, no, I'm just Orange County kids are real special. We've had 19 years of watching these kids grow up, different kids grow up.

Speaker 1 And like, actually, this current batch is doing pretty well, I would say, overall. But I have to say, the Orange County track record has been pretty rough.

Speaker 1 It's been pretty rough when it comes to the trajectory. It hasn't been great.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And basically, guys, I'm going to pretend this is a segment about everybody's kids, but I'm really going to

Speaker 1 give about five minutes for Emily to come up with self-diagnoses for her son emily let's do this excuse me how could you not even include any content about nikki he works for the altman group this is a disgrace he's 19 and a realtor if you ever exclude my children again from the children growing up well montage it will cost you a lot

Speaker 1 oh

Speaker 1 Oh, I'm sorry. Sirens are coming.
I shouldn't have mentioned Orange County children. Okay.
Sorry. That was my bad.
Emily. Did Dawson pass out again?

Speaker 1 Emily, go ahead. So she's like, oh my God, everything with Luke is so crazy.
And then I was getting all these, these emails from people on DMs.

Speaker 1 And they were like, oh, okay, I'll post that thing about, I'll post that thing about Katie later. Oh, sorry.
That was the wrong DM.

Speaker 1 I was getting things from DMs. And these moms were like, have you tested him for pandas?

Speaker 1 Wait a minute. That's amazing.
I love pandas.

Speaker 1 Can a panda ever sit still? That's my question.

Speaker 1 Oh my God, pandas are is so cute. I watched so many panda videos.
This is serious.

Speaker 1 Are you sure? Because like the other day I saw a panda. It was like trying to get into a tie and then it like fell over.
It was so cute.

Speaker 1 Oh, sorry. That was my person applauding you, Gina.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's got something called pandas because he had strap throw and this strap throw went to his brain and now I'm going to get lasers on his brain. The brain's going to be shrunk by the lasers.

Speaker 1 This is actually crazy. This is actually crazy.

Speaker 1 And I picked up pandas after because I was like, what? Like some of this, I never know what to believe on housewives, you know, I really never do.

Speaker 1 And especially when it comes to Emily, because, you know, Emily has a lot of anti-vax, you know, MAGA stuff in her history. So I'm like, well, is this coming from a medical doc? Like, what is this?

Speaker 1 What is this? And it's pretty crazy. What it is.
I didn't find anything that said laser on the brain was a treatment for it, honestly. And I'm not even criticizing it because I don't know.

Speaker 1 I'm just saying I didn't find that in my amateur research into it.

Speaker 1 But this is nuts. So she's going to take her kid in and basically it caused brain swelling on him, which is causing all these bizarre behaviors.

Speaker 1 And the lasers are supposed to shrink your brain a little bit.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 I don't know. I don't understand any of that, but like it's crazy.

Speaker 1 I mean, strep throat is like very scary because like you can have strep throat and then a month later it like rears its ugly head again in some terrible other form.

Speaker 1 But I never heard about this and I don't doubt it at all. I know it's a real thing because I did, I did look it up as well.
But like, that is a scary, that must be really, really scary.

Speaker 1 And I actually do think it was one of the upsides of her.

Speaker 1 You know, there was a lot, we criticized a lot that she was using this as a storyline, but this is one of the upsides is that like, that a lot of moms like reached out to her and were like, you should check this out.

Speaker 1 Because if that really is one of the causes of his, like, some of his like unexpected behavior, like, it's good to get a grasp on that. But that was, this is really wild.

Speaker 1 So yeah, I guess we'll, we'll see how that, that pans out.

Speaker 1 We'll we'll see how that pandas out all right pandas out

Speaker 1 yeah

Speaker 1 uh

Speaker 1 so sensitive

Speaker 1 uh so yeah so then um we talk about dawson graduating at his boot camp ceremony and she's like well you know um you know so many people worried about dawson and i also got messages which is crazy i did get a lot of messages of pandas though which was very weird.

Speaker 1 So I'm not sure if that's the same thing, but I just want to reiterate, pandas are great, you know, and two plus two pandas. Who loves six pandas? Me.
I do. Okay, things are still not adding up.

Speaker 1 Just tell us about Dawson. He's kind of hot.
Okay, well, Dawson faints away. So he was tired.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, you know, he was in boot camp in the last few days. It's called The Crucible.
It's this crazy thing where they have to like stay up all night and perform the entire play of the Crucible.

Speaker 1 And I just, I just, I think it was just like a lot for him. Arthur Miller is very intense and he just passed out.
And I can understand that.

Speaker 1 But he did come back. Are you sure that's what the crucible is? He did come back with the letter A tattooed on his chest, which I still don't really get.

Speaker 1 That's, I mean, that's

Speaker 1 the Scarlet Letter, Jen. Oh no, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 What I meant to say was that

Speaker 1 he was going to be hanged and then it turned out that he got to escape, but then it turned out was all a dream. That's

Speaker 1 That's another piece of fiction from high school too.

Speaker 1 Well, basically what happened, Andy, is he was

Speaker 1 he was on his way to boot camp and the plane crashed and then all of his friends were stuck out there and they had to take care of themselves and then they started to turn on each other until one got a conch shell and the nerd lost his glasses and became a monster and killed everybody.

Speaker 1 I think that's Lord of the flies. No, that's actually Ryan.
He just loves getting into those flies. Am I right? Anyone? No.

Speaker 1 So Tamara, you mentioned that you and Sydney saw each other. She hates when you talk about her on television.
Talk about it. So she's like, ah,

Speaker 1 she came to the house. She was going to let me sit here.

Speaker 1 Sorry, I'm not sad. And I said, you better hug me or I'm going to call the police on you.
And so she hugged me. And then she said, you better not talk about this on television.

Speaker 1 And I said, I promise you I won't tell Lemiga. Don't let me go.

Speaker 1 And then she left.

Speaker 1 Sydney, Sydney, Sydney. Sydney, Sydney, Sydney.
Sydney's on TV right now. And I'm so sad about it.

Speaker 1 You know, Sydney is at home throwing remote controls at the TV. Like, leave me alone.

Speaker 1 Yeah, she's coming. She's like, she's like,

Speaker 1 she's like, come to Simon. She's coming around again.
Sandy's like, oh, good. That's great.
Shannon, Stella still visiting every country in the northern hemisphere. Yes, she is.

Speaker 1 And she also let me know that she wants to go into hospitality. I said, that's not a real career.
And she said, you're not a real mother. And I said, oh, don't you speak to me.

Speaker 1 I brought you into this world. I'll take you out of this world.
And she said, Try to reach me. I'm in Europe now.
And I said, Okay, well, that's fine.

Speaker 1 But, you know, I am still your mother and I'm alone right now. And I'm going through things.
And she said, Well, I'm never going to come back to America.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, things are great. I'm really happy with her choices.
Yeah, she's going into hospitality. So, naturally, she's not coming back to America where there are no restaurants or hotels.

Speaker 1 So, that's sad.

Speaker 1 Okay, Emily,

Speaker 1 Sam from Waterston's Daughter has Sam Waterston's face. Isn't that crazy? Wants to know, how is your relationship with Shane going? Oh, God.

Speaker 1 Who cares? But everyone wants to know. Every burning

Speaker 1 in all of our minds. How's it going with Shane?

Speaker 1 Well, you know, everyone, you know, I got from a lot of places that just like Shane's just like solid and pragmatic. He's just unemotional about things.
And it's just like really helpful. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I loved your wife swap episode.

Speaker 1 Did you experience anything in your home with Shane?

Speaker 1 And are you doing more around the house does anyone care about this everyone agrees it was the worst uh wife swap episode of the season right everyone no well the rating sure did andy but i did learn that pigs make me more tolerable so i might be shooting with one next season

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 do you realize that Shane does a lot? Yeah, yeah. You know what? I think Shane liked that other wife too, Emily.
You better watch out.

Speaker 1 Another thing that was on the internet today was that wife from that episode, the snotty New Jersey wife.

Speaker 1 And she was doing those one of those videos where you're putting on makeup and talking at the same time. Come get ready with me.
She's like,

Speaker 1 come get ready with me.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So, you know, I went on my swap.

Speaker 1 And, you know, I'm kind of connected to the Gorgas because I was the lady that had that house that remember when Joe Gorga said that he flipped that house, but then he used fake pictures?

Speaker 1 That was my house. And I had to go online and tell him to stop using my house.
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Speaker 1 Yeah, I do.

Speaker 1 I love Bravo. Kept this lady because you know they were going to add her to Jersey just to have that for a storyline and didn't keep her, but ended up just using her for wife swap instead.

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Speaker 1 so um now we go to break and when we come back they're all predicting um that that gretchen's gonna wear pink because like of course you know and then emily's like oh tambour's wearing pink too isn't that funny that they match you guys were given a color scheme of pink maroon and stupid okay like there will be some overlap so gretchen comes out she's wearing um

Speaker 1 was that like a corset what do you call that kind of top it's almost i don't know i don't know but like the boning and uh it's like very much like it's like sexy boudoir bordello i i forget what you it's not that's not like is that a corset top is it a corset is it a yeah it's like kind of an ice skating dreading type thing weird outfit as usual so she comes and she's not booed so i'm immediately annoyed and everybody just jumps on her and starts kissing her ass and telling her how beautiful she looks of course they're doing it in their way you know which is like wow gretchen you look so great you andy says, you look like a pink Elsa.

Speaker 1 And Tamra's like, I was thinking chime beneath Andy.

Speaker 1 Oh, I love the way you dress. It's just so poor person, but also maybe you could be on your way to work at a child's birthday party.
It's just so maybe it's a costume. Maybe it's an outfit.

Speaker 1 Maybe she's born with it. Maybe it's a fashion crime.
I don't know. You know, one of those.
God, you look great, Gretchers.

Speaker 1 You look great. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And by the way, I just want you to know that when I said she looked like like she'd been preserving formaldehyde, that's a compliment. Yeah, meaning you're beautiful, Gretchen.
You're so beautiful.

Speaker 1 And you know what? The more transphobic things you love, the more beautiful you become. You're beautiful.
Yeah, so I was kind of grossed.

Speaker 1 And Gretchen's like, yeah, I mean, listen, I could take it on the chin. You know what I mean? It's made out of titanium.

Speaker 1 Okay, well, what have you been doing since we last saw you, besides begging me to be back? You obviously have a beautiful daughter with laid face. And in terms of like work, what have you been doing?

Speaker 1 She's like, well, like, I do digital marketing and

Speaker 1 I'm considered an influencer. And so that's my main source of income for me.
So use Gretchen Code 20 to get a discount. I was like, oh my God, you practice this and

Speaker 1 get it outright.

Speaker 1 Code Gretchen20. What do you get

Speaker 1 to get a discount? On what?

Speaker 1 Discounts.

Speaker 1 A discount on discounts? Yeah.

Speaker 1 What's that discount on?

Speaker 1 Song.

Speaker 1 Okay, great.

Speaker 1 So Andy's like, what is Flade doing? And she's like, oh, he's a consultant. And

Speaker 1 he also sits on the

Speaker 1 Liberace Foundation board. So, see, we can't hate gay people.
He loves Liberace. And that's the gayest people there ever was.

Speaker 1 Right? And Liberace was famously very comfortable with homosexuality. Yeah, he super loved it.

Speaker 1 And Andy's like, Liberace the pianist?

Speaker 1 No, Andy.

Speaker 1 Liberace the house painter. Yes, Liberace the pianist.

Speaker 1 And someone also posted today, and thank you, social media, for giving me so much today. Thank you so much.
But

Speaker 1 they posted that Slade is listed as an unpaid board member. He's a volunteer board member of this Liberace Foundation in Vegas.
What does the Liberace Foundation actually do?

Speaker 1 It supports children in the arts, like it gives grants to kids in the arts. And I actually know because I went there.
I saw Liberace's house with Jackie Siegel.

Speaker 1 And so I met those people. And let me tell you, that is an incredible

Speaker 1 nothing really. I mean, I don't know what I'm going to say, except I think that Slade hooked this up through friends of theirs, probably, if I had to guess.

Speaker 1 No, he literally said it.

Speaker 1 Gretchen literally says it. She's like,

Speaker 1 so like, we are friends with Jonathan Warren and he's like the consul of like Monaco and he runs the foundation of Las Vegas. And so he asked Slade to be on that board.

Speaker 1 Yeah. What? Who is saying, who wants, who's saying Slade Smiley should be on the Labarachi board? I mean, paid and has volunteered.

Speaker 1 So he's doing nothing, is what you're saying. He's doing nothing.
Wow, all right.

Speaker 1 Well, we had a bitter feud 16 years and counting, and Tamara and Gretchers reintroduce themselves to each other in hopes they could view each other in a better light.

Speaker 1 Unfortunately, Bravo won't spring for better lights, so everybody looks just as crazy. Okay,

Speaker 1 let's check out some flashbacks so we see some flashbacks of all of this stuff and then we go okay

Speaker 1 uh Tamara um boobs from RSQ wants to know how can you pretend that bringing Joe to La Rosa to two events wasn't an intentional dig at Gretchen

Speaker 1 and she's like well it wasn't a dig at Gretchen Joe is one of my friends who I like to bring around because she pisses off Gretchen and Gretchen's like yeah but do you think that like it's interesting that like out of all all the people that she could have picked and bring she brought you out but i mean i guess i don't expect anything else anything less however no no stop saying however at the at the end of the sales it doesn't work that way i'm not here to serve you

Speaker 1 i didn't sing you were

Speaker 1 so gretchen how are you blaming camera for slade not having a job for nearly two decades she's like uh if it came across that way then i'm sorry No, it didn't come across that way.

Speaker 1 It's what you said, Gretchen. She's like, well, what I was trying to say is that like being on the public domain at such a level like that, it can cause harm to someone's life.

Speaker 1 No, you didn't say that. You said that

Speaker 1 everything Tamara did made it impossible for him to get work. That's what you said.

Speaker 1 Let me tell you something.

Speaker 1 He's like a white, straight Christian man.

Speaker 1 He will, like, if he's... If he has a shred of competency, people are going to let him have another shot and give him jobs.
His job is

Speaker 1 mooching off off of Gretchen. That's what his job is.
He can get a job. Okay.
He has a lot of privilege. And he, like, we've seen it before.
Cancel culture only goes really so far.

Speaker 1 It's not actually really a real thing. People, everyone rebounds from cancel culture.
He is, he is not canceled from Tamra. He is canceled from either laziness or his own ineptitude.

Speaker 1 He's canceling himself because he doesn't want to have money to have to pay that child support back. And we all fucking know it.

Speaker 1 So you can say whatever you want to, but he's not making money on purpose and he's working, working quote unquote for you, holding that camera so you guys don't have to pay the child support, which is also why you're not married, why you're not married to him so they can't start garnishing your ass.

Speaker 1 Okay. Gretchers.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 and I like Tamra's response because she's like, oh yeah, but him getting arrested didn't affect him trying to get a jab hit. Wait, what did, what did Slade get arrested for? Child support.

Speaker 1 Was it child support? He actually got arrested over that? I think. I'll look it up while you do the rest.

Speaker 1 What? No, see everything that's out there. That's why I can't get a job, Ronnie.
So Tam Slayer. He was arrested in 2009 on a civil contempt warning for failing to pay child support.
Yeah. Oh.
Okay.

Speaker 1 So Gretchen Chase from Salt Lake City is crazy on a yacht. Sorry, Christina Applegate wants to know how does Slave.

Speaker 1 What do you think of that whole thing? Everybody's like, oh, my God.

Speaker 1 So for those of you who didn't see that, Christina Applegate came out with a tweet and was like, oh, how dare the ladies of Salt Lake City not respect the staff of this boat? That is disgusting.

Speaker 1 And I've watched a lot of this in my life and people are like, oh my God, Queen Hincon. I was kind of like, come on, Karen.
This is

Speaker 1 Salt Lake City ladies on Below Deck. They're doing their job.
Let them work. Please back up.

Speaker 1 I don't need your morals here, Christina Applegate.

Speaker 1 You know, who doesn't respect the hard work of the staff?

Speaker 1 on below deck is the staff of below deck they're the ones who are have all like well daisy daisy is trying her best but meaning that like Daisy had to put up with Gary for like four years and everyone's had to deal with so much bullshit just internally with all this the fucked up power structures there that like the salt like the salt the women on salt like are the least of anyone's concerns on that point yeah call the police complaining about what kind of Bravo fan comes

Speaker 1 out of the Salt Lake City ladies are too crazy on Below Deck oh no this is this This is like literally a gift to Below Deck because there's so many real households watchers who like refuse to watch Below Deck.

Speaker 1 And this is Bravo's way of being like, you should watch this other franchise that we have, this other Blockbuster franchise that's really good.

Speaker 1 So this, if anything, she should be appreciative of this great exposure that the brand is getting. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And if anybody needs to be criticized, it's the staff for trying to interrupt fights to do stupid things like serve a

Speaker 1 stupid monster head cake, put it down on the table and walk away. Like now is not the time for you to come have your captain sitting down scene.
Okay.

Speaker 1 You either sit here and take the fight or you walk away, which you did, but you don't get both choices. Okay.
You're either in it or you're not in it.

Speaker 1 but this is not about you this is about the salt lake city housewives and they came to work and give us the best season of any show this year so quiet applegate

Speaker 1 quiet applegate still love you but quiet

Speaker 1 yeah i love you in general but on this one nah you're wrong on this one take that

Speaker 1 yeah yeah exactly take take the l so um andy's like how does slade contribute to the household um well what you guys didn't see on camera is i said when slade goes to the grocery store store, it goes to his account.

Speaker 1 So like he can buy like mac and cheese. And that's like really helpful for both of us.
Uh-huh. So if Slade doesn't have a job or make any money, what's in his account? Nothing.

Speaker 1 You have a joint account. That's all your money.
So if he goes to the store, he pays for it with your account. And if you go to the store, you pay for it with your account.

Speaker 1 Stop trying to be slippery, Gretchen. You're not smart.

Speaker 1 Whatever your relationship is with Slade, it's absolutely your business. Oh, sure.

Speaker 1 And the only only reason it was even a conversation is because we were talking about getting married, and you said you couldn't marry him because of financial reasons. And I said, that's hilarious.

Speaker 1 You don't even have three pennies that you're named between both of you, so why even bother with that? That was never going to be on the table.

Speaker 1 I don't think we meant to say who is buying the groceries. I think we meant to say, you get groceries.

Speaker 1 How do either of you afford groceries? But that's neither here nor there.

Speaker 1 My question to you is more like, what is your favorite product? Canned salmon or canned okra? I just, I'm so curious about this whole canning revolution.

Speaker 1 This is a little one. This is a little one.

Speaker 1 It's someone check it Alfredo. I think he fell over.
And here we go. Another problem with this is that Heather's referencing a conversation they had in 2012, right?

Speaker 1 So we see a flashback to that where Gretchen's like, well, Celene is trying to get caught up on debt and trying to get the things resolved with

Speaker 1 in court.

Speaker 1 Child support. And she's like, okay, so you don't want to take that on in marriage.
And she goes, yeah, I don't want to take it on.

Speaker 1 So that was when Gretchen had a moment of honesty 13 years ago and decided not to ever have another one. after.

Speaker 1 So we come back to the present, though. It's, by the way, also a little shitty.
If you really think about it, like initially, I remember thinking like, well, I get that.

Speaker 1 Like, he has to get his shit in order before I like get married. But I also kind of feel like if you love someone, you're like, we're going to get through this together, right?

Speaker 1 Like I'm going to help you get through this. That way we can start our life together.
Not like, okay, you figure out your shit and then you can finally get married to me.

Speaker 1 If that was a decent person there and they said, look, you have a contentious breakup with your ex. You've got a child.
This child has cancer.

Speaker 1 You have not paid $150,000 in child support to a cancer-ridden child.

Speaker 1 I'm going to help you pay this because I'm going to be part of your family now and we're going to take care of this and take care of this child who deserves your money at the very least.

Speaker 1 If he's not going to have your love or anything else, he's going to get your money and we're going to take care of this.

Speaker 1 They don't say, I'm not going to marry you because I don't want to be responsible for that mistake you made with that cancer kid.

Speaker 1 She's a wretched fucking human being. Thank you, Eddie.
She is disgusting. So there are so many reasons to hate this lady.

Speaker 1 I cannot believe they're sitting here acting like, oh, sorry, we asked you about it, Gretcher. Sorry.

Speaker 1 uh so um heather's like okay then you got engaged and that's why we thought this was all fake yeah and not no not wife has ever said that your relationship is fake

Speaker 1 no it was about the proposal based on what you told me on camera and then we see that proposal that crazy thing where she's like but you be but you get married to me she's like look However, that was a very real moment for me to be there, even though the producer said that it was kind of a fake moment on a special that aired like six years ago but getting engaged to the man that i loved after his son had just been in the hospital and was told he was gonna die i just wanted him to show the man how much i loved him and that was what that was about okay however really because i thought that it was because he wanted to get married on tv and have bravo pay for your wedding like that's kind of how it seemed yeah the boss of the show is like uh yeah no that's not It's not true, Gretchen.

Speaker 1 He's like, I know the inside scoop. Okay, you can't, you can't do this bullshit.
Yeah. And she's like, no.
And Heather just starts cracking up because Andy's so shady.

Speaker 1 And he's like, okay, so when do you think you'll be ready to get be married?

Speaker 1 When do you think you'll be ready to get married? She's like, well, I mean, I'm ready whenever. I just don't think it's something that we wake up every day talking about.

Speaker 1 We talk about Jesus and Christianity. And as we all know, getting married is not a really big deal part of that.

Speaker 1 They're going to get married whenever she's not going to be on the hook for that child support that they refused to pay for the dead kid with cancer. That's when.

Speaker 1 So she's like, you have a child together. That's the biggest commitment of all.
And look how well he dealt with the last one. And Gretchen's like, I know.
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 Tara's like, but in God's eyes, don't you think you should be married? God loves married people. Everybody knows it.
I'm like, did Terry be? What did that wait to get back to you?

Speaker 1 She actually is married in God's eyes. Yeah, they had a ceremony.
It was great. They had a full-on ceremony.
I got disinvited last second also.

Speaker 1 It's kind of weird how that keeps on happening, but it's a beautiful ceremony, I hear. Yeah, a few years ago, we actually got married, but with an ordained pastor.
And he's like, wow, you did?

Speaker 1 You're married? She goes, yeah, but we didn't go to a courthouse and get people work, but we did have a ceremony and Skylar was there and it was so special.

Speaker 1 Hmm. Okay, well,

Speaker 1 Riley. From not Candy Burris' daughter, but secretly, yes, I am.
It's me, it's me. Says, Gretchen, you've mentioned several times during Heather's sleepover how fireball gets you wild.

Speaker 1 Were you looking for liquid cards to bring up the rumor?

Speaker 1 No, I had no intent of bringing up the fact that Tamara had sex with Nelson and tried to sing a song with him and then had sex again and then sang while she was having sex.

Speaker 1 I never meant to bring that up. Well, this person who was involved in the affair, whose name rhymes with Schmelsson, but we won't say out loud,

Speaker 1 vehemently denies the allegation and insists that it was a complete fabrication. I don't know if I'm in like means, Andy.
Vehemently.

Speaker 1 Strongly. Oh, strongly what? Denies.
Strongly denied the allegations that he was ever inside Tamra. Okay.

Speaker 1 Look, this was not premeditated. Okay, it's not premeditated.
It was just girls being girls.

Speaker 1 You know, you take a bunch of people used to eating canned beans around a trash can of fire under freeway and you give them something called charcuterie and just watch them go, Andy.

Speaker 1 They were drunk with the power.

Speaker 1 So, um, Tamara goes, Bullshit was bringing the better to the Tamara. We know it when I'm an eye.
When I'm on the street,

Speaker 1 I just be quiet off and then you just shut up. Cameraman, shut up.
Help me, I a cameraman. Crafts her face.

Speaker 1 Come on, lighting guy, lighting guy. Face.
Okay, shit.

Speaker 1 This is me, Mr. Grip.
You gotta help me in this one. All I can hear is waddle, waddle, waddle.
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 Shut up.

Speaker 1 Someone's gotta help. Find me somebody.

Speaker 1 Okay, well, I'm going to talk. No, I'm going to talk.
Stupid. Because this is

Speaker 1 part of the process, girl.

Speaker 1 Oh, no, let me finish this. Girl.

Speaker 1 Well, don't.

Speaker 1 You know what? I was very proud of the fact that I was young and hip and said, girl, and then you just threw it right back in my face. I did not appreciate that.
I don't know why.

Speaker 1 I don't know why she has such a hurt on for me. Gretchen's like, it's so weird.

Speaker 1 So Tamara's like, Gretchen tried to bring the song out of Vicki's house. That's when she tried to bring it out.
The not that she called and said, oh, it's Eddie Gay.

Speaker 1 So she's saying that this has been trying, she's been trying to make this happen since 2017. And then we see a clip of Gretchen being with that gay in the terrible wig, who used to be Emily's friend.

Speaker 1 And remember when Tamara in the beginning, when Emily came on in the beginning and Tamara was being mean to Emily.

Speaker 1 And Emily took Tamara on that walk and she's like, why are you so mean to me? And Tamara's like, because

Speaker 1 you're friends with people who are terrible to me. like that gay in the terrible wig and we see a shot of that gay who's like

Speaker 1 and so they were fighting over this gay this has been a very messy gay on orange county

Speaker 1 yeah it's some of the messiest gays we've seen have come from orange county so um gretchen's like what what was the conversation at that party and timer's oh god it's like okay so years ago okay okay i want to move on i want to move on okay so emily this question is from you jonah from a whale somewhere said why would you bring up the rumor to tamara when gretchen asked you not to oh i've got a very clear answer that's going to make a lot of sense with a lot of logic i was really irritated by the fact that they had just been at the beach and they had had a conversation that they were both going to come back and they came back to the table holding hands and they had agreed to a truce yeah and it's just like you know i was really hopeful and i was really really hopeful and that they were going to move forward i'm like so you destroyed it over like let's brush that shit under the rug okay like let like why did you facilitate it falling apart Because you, you felt they were being fake.

Speaker 1 This person who, who, you know, looks at headlines and laughs behind people's backs with Gina about it. Yeah.
So she's like, oh, I was really hopeful they were moving forward.

Speaker 1 That's why I made sure they didn't move forward. Yeah.
And I didn't say one word about Gretchen. Not one word to Mickey, though.
Not even one. She's like, okay, okay.
Can I talk to that? Okay.

Speaker 1 I agree with them on that. And I want to apologize for you doing that.
But I'm just telling you that that was what was that in the press.

Speaker 1 And you know that's a problem tamara because you can say stuff that's in the press but if i say stuff in the press

Speaker 1 everybody else is like an asshole

Speaker 1 yeah oh okay you always turn it around on someone else are you a dj because you're really turning things around on the turntable because that's what djs do yeah yeah

Speaker 1 Well, Andy, or Tamara, sorry, Peewee from Spig Adventure wants to know, why are you overacting about this rumor when it was from so long ago? Don't you also bring up old dirt on people?

Speaker 1 She goes, oh yeah, name one. Name one freak, Pee-Wee from Big Adventure, whatever your stupid gay name is.
Say it, name it.

Speaker 1 Well, excuse me, but you did accuse Jen of having an affair.

Speaker 1 Whatever.

Speaker 1 I can't even say anything, girl. I can't even say anything.

Speaker 1 Shut up, Shannon. Stupid.

Speaker 1 Well, Tanna, you did bring up tonight that Shannon recorded Viction. Yeah, because she's going to ask Katie when she's doing the same thing.
But that's a hypocrite. I'm allowed to bring that up.

Speaker 1 But you know what? My intent was to make sure everyone's safe. Everyone is safe and sound on my camera.

Speaker 1 Well, everybody was safe. So then why did you call me and tell me, hey, the hell would be with Vicki? She treats her boyfriend like shit.
Why'd you say that then?

Speaker 1 I did not say that, Tamara. I did not say that.
I did not say that.

Speaker 1 But you just gotta prove the point of this question. Because it was two years ago.

Speaker 1 No, I understand, but the point of the question was you bring stuff up all the time from the past.

Speaker 1 And you just brought up two things right now. Yeah, well, it's because it's because I threaten you.
Shut up. Everybody shut up.

Speaker 1 Case in point. Case in point.

Speaker 1 Anyone?

Speaker 1 Case in point. I said case in point off.
I don't get word, bro.

Speaker 1 The moment's already lost.

Speaker 1 Lost.

Speaker 1 Well, Tamra, you told, Shanny, shut up, damn it. No, but you said, shut up, Sammy, shut up, Shannon.
No, Tamra, you said, Shannon, shut your goddamn mouth.

Speaker 1 Shut up this sending it whatsoever.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 I can't even get that. I can't even say.
I have to say. Hey, okay, well, I'm trying to prove a point.
You did a very good job proving it, Andy.

Speaker 1 Well, my point is, we're not the only ones that bring up stuff from the past. Well, I have something to say on this.
Oh, shut up, Shannon. Just such a goddamn mouth.

Speaker 1 You fucking monster from the blue of the gun. Come back in there, kill Brute, Brook Shields, or whatever.
Get out of here, you monster.

Speaker 1 I can't even hammer a grudge over there. You know what? Don't let anybody else affect how you continue to do that.
I know, but like, I'm sick of it. I'm sick of it, Batch.

Speaker 1 Well, but like, when we were at your house for cake decorating, remember? God, I love bringing up that night. You threw out again that I've had all these affairs.

Speaker 1 And then we went outside and you said, oh, God, I was mad and I just probably made it up. Yeah.
Yes. Yes, you said you poked me and I was mad.
Remember? You said that. That was a good one, girlfriend.

Speaker 1 I did make it up. It was something I heard, though.
But, you know, I should have never, I regretted saying it, okay? Because the conversation we were having at the table was getting so heated.

Speaker 1 Well, that's fucking sex. It's cheating on your husband's sleeve.
I mean,

Speaker 1 it's pure hypocrisy. That's what this is, everyone.
Pure hypocrisy.

Speaker 1 Who do you think you are? Like, honestly, I don't have to listen to anything she says. Anything.
Not a goddamn shit. Shut your goddamn fried chicken mouth.

Speaker 1 I can't even look at you without thinking the fried chicken yapping at me. Be quiet, Shannon.
Why is Tamara allowed to just do this every time Shannon speaks?

Speaker 1 Why is nobody like, hey, other people get to talk to you? And you don't get to just yelp, shut the fuck up every time someone speaks. What kind of therapy are you going to? This is crazy.

Speaker 1 Is there anybody working here?

Speaker 1 She said physical therapy. That's the problem.
What do you mean? I thought that life I loosened up my hips, I would get better emotional responses.

Speaker 1 So Emily,

Speaker 1 that's my storyline.

Speaker 1 But didn't you have pictures at the cake party of her having some affair, of Gretchen having an affair? And Shannon's like, but see, Tamara, you show up with evidence every single time.

Speaker 1 That was me in the flashback, by the way. I did a great job in that flashback.
Yeah, because at that point, I'd had it with her. I'd had it.
I'd had it. I had it.

Speaker 1 See, it's okay for me to bring things up from the past. You just can't bring stuff up from the past.
Yeah, basically, she's a hypocrite, just like the rest of you.

Speaker 1 So were these pictures, were these old pictures of Gretchen making out with that Jeff guy?

Speaker 1 Tamara. You got to love Tamara whipping out 15-year-old pictures at a cake party.
So

Speaker 1 Tamara says she'd had it, so she's allowed to do it. And then Gretchen's like, yeah, but...

Speaker 1 Just because you were mad about something from 15 years ago, you shouldn't have even brought it up 15 years ago. Like that wasn't cool either.
And so Tamara's just shooing her off.

Speaker 1 She's like, get out of here, stupid. Just wave everybody off camera.
Oh, no, I'm just waiting for you off stupid. You shut up, shit.

Speaker 1 But I'm talking about 15 years ago, Tamara, when you made up all the lies about me back then. So now we're going back to the big, where it all started.

Speaker 1 This is where, well, actually, I started with, were you at Bethlehem? But now the big reunion. And Gretchen's like, what was the reason then? Why'd you bring things up then?

Speaker 1 And Tamara's like, well, I didn't make up any lies about you 15 years ago. Oh, sure, you didn't.
It was the affair. It was the affair.

Speaker 1 Okay, yeah, yeah hold on i'm gonna press my lips and lick myself a little bit

Speaker 1 me and vicky both walked in at your junior kills and we saw you sitting there on bloop's lap making out with him

Speaker 1 we saw it we saw it

Speaker 1 oh my god you're such a fucking liar camille you're you're a fucking liar you're

Speaker 1 you're a liar you lie you're a piece of shit you're a piece of shit you're a piece of shit back okay camera you're a piece of shit

Speaker 1 for so long for so long you've become an FTB for so It's like this was a whole segment about how you've been coming after her for 15 years. But of course, she immediately turns in.

Speaker 1 It's like, you've been coming FTB this out, Dan.

Speaker 1 And you've been going after me.

Speaker 1 You've been going after my kids.

Speaker 1 My mom can't even fuck a guy from Costco without you coming for somebody.

Speaker 1 I don't talk about you never.

Speaker 1 Okay, yeah, you don't talk about me ever. Sure, sure, sure.

Speaker 1 And it just ends on KB going, this is insane.

Speaker 1 That brings us to the end of Reunion Pod One, Real Housewives.

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